Naruto Volume 45 (Ch. 413-422) Discussion

[chidoricurrent]

Excuse me? :blink Please explain.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/

Just what madara says in second scene. Well, dont really know if he means "after all its ended" or "just before you are going into a mission".. but i guess its the second one..

[pantelis2006]

The fact that Sasuke should have died 2 times already is exciting me.
His partners save him again...Time to realize that doing things alone is not the
best option.

Sasuke was fatally injured 2 times, used Tsukoyomi and failed (also received the damage) and used chidori many times...shouldn't be exhausted/out of chakra?

[Starzen]

This chapter made history, even though naruto was not part of the chapter, he was at the least featured. I hope juugo wont die in this fight and finally what kind of plot hole no jutsu will kishi use to save sasuke this time around.

[Baron Hugenstein]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/

Just what madara says in second scene. Well, dont really know if he means "after all its ended" or "just before you are going into a mission".. but i guess its the second one..

Hmm, i thought he could take the 8tails or other tails but after he proved himself with the 8tails.

well, If you look at the page (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/13/) before it, Madara says that the aim of both groups coincide , i.e Konoha's destruction. And as a bonus to stay with Akatsuki's goals, Madara will give Sasuke a tailed Beast. As i understood it, Sasuke doesn't have a tailed beast right now, but i could be wrong.

[chidoricurrent]

Hmm, i thought he could take the 8tails or other tails but after he proved himself with the 8tails.

? I was just saying that maybe Sasuke has some kind of tailed-daemon summon.

[zmaia]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/14/

Just what madara says in second scene. Well, dont really know if he means "after all its ended" or "just before you are going into a mission".. but i guess its the second one..

:blink I don't think Madara gave him a beast before the fight. Actually, I'm sure of it.

[chidoricurrent]

And as a bonus to stay with Akatsuki's goals, Madara will give Sasuke a tailed Beast.

Yeah, but it's not clear if he says "U'll get this as u join Akatsuki" and it could be, because if you join honestly your just like 'staying with akatsuki goals', or like at the end of the story (anyway it would be nosense, actually madara was just blubbering he needs all tailed demons to summon a super imba demon within them all, so he needs all of them, and so it would be omgnonsense donating one to sasuke)
so all which remains is the first option.
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:blink I don't think Madara gave him a beast before the fight. Actually, I'm sure of it.

I'm exactly the same, just because madara did trust a lot in sasuke.
Also, hey, I may be wrong heh.

[nat]

Maybe he expects them to die, in that case only the survivors get the beast...

Meaning Sasuke on his death bed, since he needs him alive....

[Jimmothy]

Does anyone know what Juugo meant when he said, "He's like my reincarnation?"

[pantelis2006]

Does anyone know what Juugo meant when he said, "He's like my reincarnation?"

Sasuke accepted the CS better than anyone else, like Kimimaro. Juugo remembered Kimimaro because he and Sasuke were the only ninjas who were compatible with the CS.

[chidoricurrent]

Can anyone answer me? Sasuke used Tsukoyomi in this chapter?
Its true we saw his MS, but Tsukoyomi is related with the left eye, we saw
Sasuke's right one.

I am glad 8 tails is kicking their asses.

actually the right/left eye story is a bluff in my opinion, so i wouldnt consider it in this way

[ForMotherRussia]

fuck yeah, the best moment EVER
http://2ch.ru/ma/src/1219402191905.png

[pantelis2006]

^lol, some of the ribs are visible, am I right?

[chidoricurrent]

Looks like a blow with fire, that's a superficial blow, still enough to not move an inch : D
It's like a chakra blow, how to explain...

[avantasian]

well, just to defend team Eagles dignity a little...they havent taken off their cloaks yet..:p:p

although i dont think it will make any difference!..lol

[enka]

just read the chapter. WOW
8tails is a huuuuuuge ox with octopus arms and those horns seems to be of wood?
Seems to me Sasuke get CS 2.0
Suigetsu dead (deaing) ?
The BIG question is how is Hachbi brother? or even bigger one for naruto fans, HOW do he control his beast?

[Sparkling Chidori]

Man, Sasuke looked like such a bitch, again. Is kind of annoying, I love the Hachibi so I haven't been paying a great deal of attention to how this makes Sasuke look in the long run, but his cold, cool badass image is being broken right now, which makes me a bit worried.

It's still unpredicatable as to what happens next. Will he remain to look weak to gain a new power? Or will this weak image be diminished by him defeating the 8-tails.

I think we may find out next episode, or the one after actually, as next week will probably focus on Naruto. Well, with the 8-tails this form, they're not gonna have a fist fight are they, so, I'm thinking we might finally see a Jutsu from Sasuke, to bring the big boy down.

Also, am I missing something or does it actually say Sasuke will get CS back? I've only read it once through quickly, so I'm gonna read it again, but all I got from it was that Juugo's flesh obviously has traces of the curse seal in it, and because Sasuke is compatible from it, it won't harm him... Didn't seem to state he will gain CS powers again, I'll read it again though :amuse

[the wizard ninja]

I praise the great oxapus, a fully released 8-tails should be unbeatable for even all three of Hawk combined. The only way I see this fight ending in Sasuke's favour is if he learns how to control the bijuu inside of the 8-tails with his Mangekyou, something I don't think he would have learned just yet. On a side note, I don't think Sasuke is as messed up as you think (although he IS pretty messed up I will admit) because it's probably just the low quality SF scan that makes it look like his ribs are showing. Plus Juugo isn't giving Sasuke a curse seal or sacrificing his life for Sasuke, he's just donating some of his flesh so that Sasuke won't bleed to death from his severe wounds.

[HurtiPurti]

I dont know why People are expecting any new huge technique with which sasuke will win this fight...

He prepared Kirin against Deidara and Itachi, does anyone really expect that he hasn't prepared it again before this fight.

Kirin, doesnt need lot of chakra after preparing it... After the healing, juugo and suigetsu will detract hachibi from sasuke...
just look at the clouds in the sky, they're already there ;)
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/12/

Its obviously how this fight is going to continue... The power of this attack and it effect (dodging impossible) is also whell known...

[Tweaker]

this might be stupid and someone might have said it before but what ever...everyone says that Hachibi has shown his triump card full transformation, but if you notice he got two arms, with probably 5 fingers on each, now when Naruto went four tails he used an attacked that destroyed everything in its path right, exept orochi.

now what if Hachibi can preform ninjutsu in his eight-tailed transformation, since he stil got his mind in one piece?

that would be...devastating...

just a thought, but a scary one... <.<
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and anyway, why is everyone saying or telling that sauske is going to get CS again?

like, he said it in his own words that he was just replacing sauske, flesh nad chakra, and he said that since sauske is compatible with his Cursed seal, probably meaning that since sauske was given the heaven seal, that strongest of all of Orochimaru's seal, and he could do partial transformation, as seen when juugo attacked him, when sauske was getting teammates. and juugo said, according to the translation that sauske might handle getting fused with Juugo as seen in the picture, when juugos right arm gets attached to suaske chest and neck..
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but when Hachibi is surrounded in the chakra cloak, his skin dosent get burnt off, like naruto when he enters the foruth tail, and his skin only starts burning after sauske has used the Tsukuyomi on him, wonder why?

P.S i didnt bother to read all the posts

[pantelis2006]

but when Hachibi is surrounded in the chakra cloak, his skin dosent get burnt off, like naruto when he enters the foruth tail, and his skin only starts burning after sauske has used the Tsukuyomi on him, wonder why?

P.S i didnt bother to read all the posts

Because he was starting to fully tranform into the deamon.

[zmaia]

Man, Sasuke looked like such a bitch, again. Is kind of annoying, I love the Hachibi so I haven't been paying a great deal of attention to how this makes Sasuke look in the long run, but his cold, cool badass image is being broken right now, which makes me a bit worried.

It's still unpredicatable as to what happens next. Will he remain to look weak to gain a new power? Or will this weak image be diminished by him defeating the 8-tails.

I think we may find out next episode, or the one after actually, as next week will probably focus on Naruto. Well, with the 8-tails this form, they're not gonna have a fist fight are they, so, I'm thinking we might finally see a Jutsu from Sasuke, to bring the big boy down.

Also, am I missing something or does it actually say Sasuke will get CS back? I've only read it once through quickly, so I'm gonna read it again, but all I got from it was that Juugo's flesh obviously has traces of the curse seal in it, and because Sasuke is compatible from it, it won't harm him... Didn't seem to state he will gain CS powers again, I'll read it again though :amuse

God, I don't want Sasuke to get another CS after Itachi went through all that trouble to free him from it! :sad

[avantasian]

I praise the great oxapus, a fully released 8-tails should be unbeatable for even all three of Hawk combined. The only way I see this fight ending in Sasuke's favour is if he learns how to control the bijuu inside of the 8-tails with his Mangekyou, something I don't think he would have learned just yet. On a side note, I don't think Sasuke is as messed up as you think (although he IS pretty messed up I will admit) because it's probably just the low quality SF scan that makes it look like his ribs are showing. Plus Juugo isn't giving Sasuke a curse seal or sacrificing his life for Sasuke, he's just donating some of his flesh so that Sasuke won't bleed to death from his severe wounds.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/01/

Its already out pal! Translated and cleaned! dont look at the raws!enjoy:amuse

[Lion]

Great, great chapter. Lots of good stuff... Sasuke getting seriously beaten, etc. but the most interesting were the bits about Hachibi, his brother and controlling the beast. I'm thinking his brother could potentially be the one who teaches Naruto how to control the Kyuubi, but how these things get connected, I don't know.

Question, who is in control of the beast, now that it's completely out?

Some predictions... Kishi's going to parallel Naruto and Sasuke again. Naruto is going to figure what he needs to do and Sasuke does the same thing. That or... Kakashi?! :D

[Sparkling Chidori]

God, I don't want Sasuke to get another CS after Itachi went through all that trouble to free him from it! :sad

Exactly, we be stupid if he got it again.


Great, great chapter. Lots of good stuff... Sasuke getting seriously beaten, etc. but the most interesting were the bits about Hachibi, his brother and controlling the beast. I'm thinking his brother could potentially be the one who teaches Naruto how to control the Kyuubi, but how these things get connected, I don't know.

Question, who is in control of the beast, now that it's completely out?

Some predictions... Kishi's going to parallel Naruto and Sasuke again. Naruto is going to figure what he needs to do and Sasuke does the same thing. That or... Kakashi?! :D

Hmm... yea, that would be great if the mentioning of the 8-tails brother has some relevance to further storylines, if so, the 8-tails is definitely going to be captured.

[chidoricurrent]

Bah.. naruto wouldnt control the ninefox, when u say like this u just seem some thirsty of power

[Daneb]

IM SO HAPPY!!! naruto get his ass §$!#?! up! but im a lil worried ^^
it seems that hachi can really " destroy" team hawk,...im interessted how they want to manage that situation!

and i also think that hachis brother is important in the story!

[Tias]

Some people here are going all whiny about sasuke getting curse seal, ok, it might be something ''bad'' but i thought that this cursed seal would be different from the last one, because it's dir3ectly frmo juugo, nothing to do with orochimaru. But then again, juugo said he was just going to give him energy/flesh. But i mean IF sasuke would get the curse seal, true, what itachi did would be kinda useless, but still nothign to do with orochimaru.


And call me stupid or what not, but i think that suigetsu might be fighting hachibi in next chapter, i dont know why, i just thought that since he can transform his body into water/is water.....falling into water...wouldn't that let him be able to form a even huger body maybe?
like a giant suigetsu? lol
Either way i dont see sasuke getting up right away like he did with karin, so bah. lol

[Darth Executor]

God, I don't want Sasuke to get another CS after Itachi went through all that trouble to free him from it! :sad

Itachi went through that trouble to free him from Oro. Kishi just used it as a lame excuse to get rid of the CS as well.

[Kasser]

Awesome chapter even if it was short

I hope the fight ends soon with no twists ... Hachibi is too cool to die or being captured :p

But my instincts tell me since the 8 tails beast is completely transformed there should be a twist to wrap all this fight.. maybe as someone said here already, Madara or Kisami will come to finish this up.

Can't wait for 414 :tem

[The Flash]

Kisame would get his ass handed to him aswell. Did you forget that he struggeled against the 4 tails. The 4-tails that lookedlike a homeless bum. That wasnt even a shinobi or said to have full control over his Bijuu.

Wow...not even touching on this.

Outdated statement on Tsukiyomi. I doubt Tsukiyomi has even been used on a Bijuu. Or A Jinchuuriki much less a Jinchuuriki with full control of his bIjuu. Tsukiyomi s a one on one Genjutsu. Not a two on one. The guy has 2 chakra entities in him so it not that far fetch that Tsukiyomi can be broken by a bijuu disrupting the chakra flowof his partner. Your missing the point on why Tsukomi is soo powerful and is said to be industructible. One reason. 72 hours of genjutsu torture in less than a second. No one is able to react to something like that. And by the time an outside source knew what was happenong it would be two late. but bottom line. Its clear its Tsukiyomi. We have seen plenty of genjutsu and Tsukiyomi has its unique appearence.

Read that chater again cdsabest . THe 4 tails had the ability to combine elements together. Kisame had difficulty because the 4 tails ability, and Kisame teased itachi right after saying, "SO are you going to let keep beating up half-dead people".

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/

[zmaia]

Some people here are going all whiny about sasuke getting curse seal, ok, it might be something ''bad'' but i thought that this cursed seal would be different from the last one, because it's dir3ectly frmo juugo, nothing to do with orochimaru. But then again, juugo said he was just going to give him energy/flesh. But i mean IF sasuke would get the curse seal, true, what itachi did would be kinda useless, but still nothign to do with orochimaru.


And call me stupid or what not, but i think that suigetsu might be fighting hachibi in next chapter, i dont know why, i just thought that since he can transform his body into water/is water.....falling into water...wouldn't that let him be able to form a even huger body maybe?
like a giant suigetsu? lol
Either way i dont see sasuke getting up right away like he did with karin, so bah. lol

And by "some people" you mean me because I've put a sad smiley. :amuse

Yeah, Juugo didn't just drop Suigetsu into the water 'cause "he was too heavy to carry" or something. Everything happens for a reason: Suigetsu might actually shine next week!

[Susanoo]

Sasuke's team is probably going to get to saved. 8 tails is going to continue owning them in the fight. I also beleive Sasuke will not possess the powers that CS allowed him before. Jugo just using his DNA and flesh to help Sasuke heal him and if Sasuke is lucky he may get some chest hair out of it.

[Tias]

''chest hair out of it''
LoL

Well i dont think they will get saved right away, i mean, i cant even imagen kisame alone handling the 8 tails. But either way.

I think suigetsu might be the one to hold 8tails abit back for abit, ok i cant predict, but logicaly, he should be able to manifest a larger form/ version of himself, with so much water (if he has enough chakra for it?) or something, i dunno, or maybe it might also be hard for him to hold his body together since he is in the water now dunno, but i am sure sasuke whont stand up just as fast as with karin

[pantelis2006]

^ Suigetsu? Did you say Suigetsu?
Where was Suigetsu in the last chapter? I cant even see him in the last panel.
He barely survived Jinchuuriki's attack...He is melting, how could he help in this
situation? I agree even Kisame cant handle 8 tails alone.

[Darth Executor]

Sasuke still has 2 other MS abilities...

[pantelis2006]

Yes, but right now he has passed out, I cant see him continue fighting like before... he must be tired. Even if Juugo fuse with him, 8 tails seems unbeatable.

[Camel-san]

So if what 8tails says is right, Naruto won't have a prob with Sasuke's sharingan when he learns to control Kyuubi? Niiiiice one Kishi hahaha

[Darth Executor]

He won't have trouble with genjutsu (assuming he actually controls the kyuubi in the first place). Sharingan isn't all genjutsu.

[Tias]

^ Suigetsu? Did you say Suigetsu?
Where was Suigetsu in the last chapter? I cant even see him in the last panel.
He barely survived Jinchuuriki's attack...He is melting, how could he help in this
situation? I agree even Kisame cant handle 8 tails alone.

Well the thign is i am wondering if he would be able to use the water around him (since he himself is made out of water as it seems) and get bigger, i mean it might be a possiblity.....But it might also be true what you say, that he's ''melting'' and has a hard time holding his own mass together in that water..

[Camel-san]

The thing is, that Naruto doesn't want to rely on the Kyuubi no more...
well I think this was a good chapter...no Naruto in it,but seeing Sasuke getting the crap beat out of him was just priceless. My prediction for next chapter : Taka get's the fuck out or Madara shows his face, and Naruto making some progress...damn Sannin Naruto will be kick-ass

[Spike Vamp King]

Here is the info on the 8Tails, the author took a little creative license on it. The Ushi-ono or Ox Demon. Another well-known ushi-oni is a massive, brutal sea-monster which lives off the coast of Shimane Prefecture and other places in Western Japan and attacks fishermen. It is often depicted with a spider- or crab-like body.

[nat]

Naruto plus QB will be unstoppable once he learns how to fully control it. Means not even EMS can affect him...Hope Madara put that into consideration...


Just how do they hope to heal Sasuke after his chest was blown open? straaaangggee

[avantasian]

''chest hair out of it''
LoL

Well i dont think they will get saved right away, i mean, i cant even imagen kisame alone handling the 8 tails. But either way.

I think suigetsu might be the one to hold 8tails abit back for abit, ok i cant predict, but logicaly, he should be able to manifest a larger form/ version of himself, with so much water (if he has enough chakra for it?) or something, i dunno, or maybe it might also be hard for him to hold his body together since he is in the water now dunno, but i am sure sasuke whont stand up just as fast as with karin

I doubt we gonna see a giant Suigetsu for 2 reasons! (even thought i would like it!)

1) His sword with be like a toothpick!He will only have his fists!

2) Oro had him contained in a capsule full of water and only when sasuke broke it he was able to form himself!

So my guess is: he is mixing with the rest of the water and getting dialuted! He wont die because of it but its rendering him useless! If he cant even break his own capsule what makes you think he will be able to fight a monster!?

[jodi]

Read that chater again cdsabest . THe 4 tails had the ability to combine elements together. Kisame had difficulty because the 4 tails ability, and Kisame teased itachi right after saying, "SO are you going to let keep beating up half-dead people".

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/003/

I don't know if I understood your phrase correctly, sorry if I didn't
but Kisame ddn't say that
he teased itachi saying that he wanted to go against the 4 tails alone, and he liked it, and he asked Itachi if he could fight his(Itachi's) target(jinchuriki)

like: "oh, I liked fighting alone this jin people, can I fight yours jin too?"

Itachi: "Don't be silly, Kisame"

[heremit_mode]

Feel the power of a real jinchuuriki!!! again sage arts are certainly benefitial for someone who isnt a jinchuuriki but for a jinchuuriki its certainly the best thing to fight together with his demon!
Naruto should drop that shit and try to cooperate with kyuubi!!!! His father left this power for him to use after all!!!

[NNGirl]

Just one thing: if this battle is an ilusion I'll stop to read the manga

[neomaster121]

Feel the power of a real jinchuuriki!!! again sage arts are certainly benefitial for someone who isnt a jinchuuriki but for a jinchuuriki its certainly the best thing to fight together with his demon!
Naruto should drop that shit and try to cooperate with kyuubi!!!! His father left this power for him to use after all!!!

yea i agree with you for a bit n i do believe he will use the power of the 9tails again
but i just don't think he will use it like the 8tails has used it or how hes previously used it

i think the 4th sealed the 9tails into naruto in a different way because he didn't want naruto to go into tail modes but atcually just combine the 4 chakras, into one new type a power never seen before that only naruto would have but thats just my idea on it

tailed mode for naruto isn't a option for boosted power for naruto

the chapter was good tho after a week break and im not dissapointed kirin is just getting a bit to weird for me tho seriously bites on her chest 0_0

Sasuke is justed getting owned n the 8 tails isn't blind as some people thought.

Sasuke might get some new curse seal which he needs
and hes getting badly owned in this fight which is a change lol

so a very nice chapter in my opinion

[NNGirl]

So if what 8tails says is right, Naruto won't have a prob with Sasuke's sharingan when he learns to control Kyuubi? Niiiiice one Kishi hahaha

I think that Sasuke's MS don't work because he still needs more train to control his new sharingan

[jodi]

I think that Sasuke's MS don't work because he still needs more train to control his new sharingan

and Itachi's MS is instantenous, I mean, it occur in a second, thats why Asuma and Kurenai couldn't snap Kakashi out of the genjutsu

if Sasuke's genjutsu is the same as his or if he has Itachi's tsukinomy, the beast couldn't help him

[Jye24_Nindo]

Guys here is something important that seems to be getting glossed over.

http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000073852/09.jpg

Hachibi recognized Sharingan. This just seems to foreshadow that either the Hachibi or Hachibi's brother may visit Konoha after this fight to get in contact with Naruto. Cloud village is a bonified village too and most likely has a Kage who is interested in AK not getting all the bijuu's and starting world wars.

Hachibi or his brother are people who could help Naruto in genjutsu defense and kyuubi control.

[Trafalgar SoD]

speaking of itachi, once sasuke recovers he may tell team taka to hold 8 tails ther the he will be back in a second, we see a picture of itachi's body with sasukes shadow on it, sasuke returns to the battle and beats the 8 tails.

[Sparkling Chidori]

After looking at that page again^^ is Sasuke in pain after using his MS? Seems like his MS capabilities may be quite low at this stage.

[Kakashi.Hatake]

Hey Guys,

I think the question to be asked is : Who is the Hachibi's Brother?
Hachibi recognized the sharingan only when he was in the "Tsukoyumi" ! Why he didn't make that observation before? He said the only one who was able to escape his attack was his brother ! Sasuke succeeded because of his sharingan.
Is Hachibi Blind? Why we do not see his eyes ? If so, is Madara Uchiha his Brother?

Time will give us answers i hope :)

[bean]

Hey Guys,

I think the question to be asked is : Who is the Hachibi's Brother?
Hachibi recognized the sharingan only when he was in the "Tsukoyumi" ! Why he didn't make that observation before? He said the only one who was able to escape his attack was his brother ! Sasuke succeeded because of his sharingan.
Is Hachibi Blind? Why we do not see his eyes ? If so, is Madara Uchiha his Brother?

Time will give us answers i hope :)


WTF?! no, he isn't blind, for the millionth time. We don't see shino's eyes and we don't think he's blind, do we? We don't know who his brother is, he just mentioned him for the first time...and I doubt it would be madara...not sure if it was obvious or not, but...madara isn't black.

[Necron]

holy mother of god sasuke got OWND like a noob never seen before

his chest and neck are BURNED AWAY XD
this is just beautiful
i hope he gets his ass kicked even more
but even if i hate him he is not allowed to die in this battle ...and i doubt he will
by the way
does juugo know that sasuke hasnt the cursed seal any more??

[MaydayParade]

I didn't know what would happen next, but I see it clearly now.

Sasuke loses to Hachibi and has to re-think his position in Akatsuki. I see Sasuke & Co. joining Akatsuki as Kishi's way to bring them into The Big Boys Game. In effect, Team Hawk deserts Akatsuki. Suigetsu's vendetta against Kisame points towards Team Hawk going against Akatsuki sooner or later. Meanwhile in Konoha, Pain attacks and Naruto defeats him. Or, at least all 6 bodies of his.

Both Madara and Pain survive but their quest for controlling all tailed beasts goes into a grinding halt. They have to re-think their plan and maybe re-form Akatsuki a bit. This will take time.

Then we will have a timeskip, and Kishi will begin writing part 3 of naruto: The Endgame! Naruto has to get some time under his belt to get Hokage position. Like Jiraya said just ~30-40 chapters ago, "Naruto has still a long way to go". A timeskip will allow Kishi to bring Naruto to doorstep of Hokagedom.

OMG, you stole my thoughts O.o
This is a definate yes! If there's no Timeskip, showing the Uchiha Gaiden in-between like Kishi did with the Kakashi Gaiden, then I'm gonna give up on Kishi. There's no way that Naruto has any chance against Akatsuki's shinobi right now, and Sasuke isn't looking so overpowered now. I think we need more close-character deaths. It will provoke the Main Characters' growth. I think that either Sakura or Sai should die now. Sakura will defiantely give Naruto some strength, and possibly Sasuke, and Sai dieing would help out Naruto and Sakura. I think that if anyone from Taka should die, it should be Karin. She annoys me. She's just a whore.

[backgroundc52]

Sasuke should be dead twice now. Why won't he let him die?~

[Hello_Moto]

im a genius i said it was gonna be a bull i beat all of you!!!!!!!!! remember his nickname was the bull everyone called me stupid but look now!

And another thing why cant naruto team up with the fox like hachibi is with the ox

[bean]

im a genius i said it was gonna be a bull i beat all of you!!!!!!!!! remember his nickname was the bull everyone called me stupid but look now!

And another thing why cant naruto team up with the fox like hachibi is with the ox
because the kyuubi wants to take over his body and get out...it's not the best mutual relationship...

[Hello_Moto]

because the kyuubi wants to take over his body and get out...it's not the best mutual relationship...


why is the ox nice and the fox is not

[zmaia]

im a genius i said it was gonna be a bull i beat all of you!!!!!!!!! remember his nickname was the bull everyone called me stupid but look now!

And another thing why cant naruto team up with the fox like hachibi is with the ox

:D I sure didn't call you stupid, I only started posting today! Well, congrats, you genius! :tem

[Kakashi.Hatake]

WTF?! no, he isn't blind, for the millionth time. We don't see shino's eyes and we don't think he's blind, do we? We don't know who his brother is, he just mentioned him for the first time...and I doubt it would be madara...not sure if it was obvious or not, but...madara isn't black.

Okay ! but i think kishi didn't mention Hachibi's brother just like that

[Hello_Moto]

we have some1 nice here :D every1 thought it was a octopus i luv hachibi because he controls his bijuu unlike the others we seen who release theirs and let it take over they arent fighting a mindless beast like usual its something that can strategize which will make this a really different fight

[narutocelmic]

Sasuke should be dead twice now. Why won't he let him die?~

I think he will be back again from death and seal the 8 tail beast. In my opinion Sasuke wait to meat the REAL beast (final transformation) and after that will seal it.
The price will be Sasuke`s team members.

[Kakashi.Hatake]

I think he will be back again from death and seal the 8 tail beast. In my opinion Sasuke wait to meat the REAL beast (final transformation) and after that will seal it.
The price will be Sasuke`s team members.

May be but the strory isn't so simple

[Huey Freeman]

why is the ox nice and the fox is not

Same reason why Megan Fox is hot and Rosie Odonnell looks like an ox . . . that's just the way it is buddy.

[samsiufan]

Sasuke should be dead twice now. Why won't he let him die?~

Because Sasuke is the "cat".....9 lives and all....he has got 7 to go....:loool

Kishi likes Sasuke, period...his neck and chest were completely blown away, how many people do you think will survive that?

Anyway next chapter will be interesting......We will see how long it takes Sasuke to adjust to the new flesh and chakra....last time it took his body a long time...I would like to think that there will be some side effects.....but we will see.

I enjoyed the chapter though!

[kiriappeee]

Sasuke should be dead twice now. Why won't he let him die?~

lols... dude kishi let sasuke die??? thatll be another tsunami.

anyways interesting chapter.. lots of stuff that made me think..

first up.. the jins comment about his brother "DEFLECTING" his number eight.
is this a hint of what we are going to see in the next chapter. or is this somehow connected to the story as a whole.?

two.. whats with sasuke? was he trying to power up his sharingan all that time.?? highly unlikely. so what was he doing without using sharingan at the beginning of the fight?? it took him up to page 7 to pump the new sharingan in... why??? speaking of the new sharingan..

it hurt him?? or tired him?? and if it did hurt(which is what im going with).. why just 1 eye... the one eye i feel has to hav some significance because it was his right(im not good with right and left so excuse me if that was a mistake :P) and in 397 when the amaterasu came out of sasuke it was from the opposite eye(left :P) coincidence??? heck i dont think so.

and finally... what the jin said about illusions.. remember grandma from the sand town? she herself said if ur alone run. but two on one the partner can free the other from the illusion. in this dudes case it was the hachi.. so now is a lead up to where narutos training is headed? with the key to the beast now in narutos hand (not yet i know.. but its meant for him at the mo anyway) naruto becomes master of the nine tail?? what exactly does that mean.

[zmaia]

Okay ! but i think kishi didn't mention Hachibi's brother just like that

Of course not, he wouldn't have mentioned him if he was a nobody. [Just like I believe Sai's "brother" is somehow an important figure in the story]. But I highly doubt that Hachibi's brother would be Madara. Hell, that would make a whole bunch of Uchiha people alive and well. :mad And we know it isn't so.

[makko]

why is the ox nice and the fox is not

Some of all this has to do with age. Naruto seems to be the youngest of the Jinchuuriki AND dealing with the strongest. We're a lil impatient with him mastering it. So i dont think its just that the Ox is "nice". They've had more time together.

[kiriappeee]

hmmmm madara??? the jins brother?? it ties up in a very twisted way... but leaves one point out which kinda is the big hole in that theory..

how it ties up---> this dudes clearly seen the sharingan before. and second which is the twisted bit.. why would madara be so sure that sasukes team would make it through the encounter.??

small point---> madara took his lil bros eyes... not his life. look at hachibis "bling"
the jin wheres prada.. i mean darkglasses... missing eyes????

messed up big hole--->its the ms that gave old man madara eternal life. at least according to itachi. for hachibi to be the lil bro... hed have had to survive a long long long time......

not connected but just a weird question mark---? if a jin were to live till old age.... and die cos of it what would happen to the demon???? or would the demon keep the host living??? remember the 9 tail brought broken neck-dead-naruto back up to 100%..

props to kishi for making this chapter a good read in some ways.

[Huey Freeman]

OK . . . there's no way this guy is Madara's brother. Plus, the entire ninja world is familiar with the sharingan. It's not like it's some big secret. Why wouldn't a ninja this skilled be aware of the sharingan and what it looks like?

[S.I.M Editor]

hmmmm madara??? the jins brother?? it ties up in a very twisted way... but leaves one point out which kinda is the big hole in that theory..

how it ties up---> this dudes clearly seen the sharingan before. and second which is the twisted bit.. why would madara be so sure that sasukes team would make it through the encounter.??

small point---> madara took his lil bros eyes... not his life. look at hachibis "bling"
the jin wheres prada.. i mean darkglasses... missing eyes????

messed up big hole--->its the ms that gave old man madara eternal life. at least according to itachi. for hachibi to be the lil bro... hed have had to survive a long long long time......

not connected but just a weird question mark---? if a jin were to live till old age.... and die cos of it what would happen to the demon???? or would the demon keep the host living??? remember the 9 tail brought broken neck-dead-naruto back up to 100%..

props to kishi for making this chapter a good read in some ways.

big hole in your post im afriad.
why would he think to himself about the sharingan as if he was seeing it if he was blind?
and if he was, sasuke wouldnt have been able to cast the genjutsu.
[hr]

OK . . . there's no way this guy is Madara's brother. Plus, the entire ninja world is familiar with the sharingan. It's not like it's some big secret. Why wouldn't a ninja this skilled be aware of the sharingan and what it looks like?

wow people believe hes madaras brother? wtf. first off, madaras brother wasnt black, and didnt have orangish hair. naruto characters do dye their hair lmao.

[Kakashi.Hatake]

May be ...

I just remembered when the first time we've seen Hachibi, he said something about sunshine !! so, it's very confusing

[bean]

May be ...

I just remembered when the first time we've seen Hachibi, he said something about sunshine !! so, it's very confusing
you're overthinking it...do this, in the middle of the day, lock yourself up in dark dark room, I'm talking pitch black, for about a half hour to an hour...then without adjusting to any light, walk out into the sun...see if you wouldn't say anything about the sunshine...cause that's what happened. The hachibi was training inside a cave, where there's little to no light...then he stepped out into the middle of the day's sun light, of course he would say something, there's nothing confusing about it.

[kiriappeee]

OK . . . there's no way this guy is Madara's brother. Plus, the entire ninja world is familiar with the sharingan. It's not like it's some big secret. Why wouldn't a ninja this skilled be aware of the sharingan and what it looks like?


look at how deidara was forced into joinin akatsuki... that might answer your question... a little indirectly however. :)

though just to contradict myself... yes MOST know about the sharingan.. but then how many do you think have seen one like sasukes?? people still living would have seen only the normal sharingan.. the odds of someone seeing the combined thing.. let alone a ms..... seriously starts to unbalance the scale..

no one could really argue that it was a random guess...

finally... his knowledge on dodging illusions of this nature makes him sort of oddly well informed. that and the fact that he is the only jin we've seen (i think.. correct me if im wrong) who actually has control over his bijuu.


final note---> bottom frames of page 8... (or rather where sasuke gives the jin the sharingan look before using the illusion on the next page)... is there any subtle message that being left behind?? its the first time we've seen like a slightly transparent look of those dark glasses.. no matter how slight...


however once again theres the prob that if he is madaras bro he wouldnt be able to see the shape of the shraringan or anything like that.... but to get twisted anyways... maybe the bijuu in some way is communicating with him..

either way... yes i do agree that the looks of the jin are wayyyyy off the scale of madaras lil bro... but apart from that its an interesting thing to just wonder about... either way kishis left a good story in this chapter

[Franckie]

Thank god for this chapter. It'll put an end to the "Naruto won't be able to control Kyuubi" business. More importantly, it discredits the notion that Yamato's statement means that Kyuubi use is bad in every form.

On a side note, the Hachibi Jinchuuriki is the best fodder in the series to date by giving an entertaining fight. Also, I love the fact he's making Sasuke look like a nOOb right now.

[Rufus Chamberlain]

lmao. as soon as sasuke whips out his MS he gets owned.

i get the feeling that if this fight goes on for much longer some other character will step in. im betting naruto.

[bean]

lmao. as soon as sasuke whips out his MS he gets owned.

i get the feeling that if this fight goes on for much longer some other character will step in. im betting naruto.
I think you're half right, but if I were you, I wouldn't bet too much on it being naruto...most likely it will be madara.

[Kakashi.Hatake]

look at how deidara was forced into joinin akatsuki... that might answer your question... a little indirectly however. :)

though just to contradict myself... yes MOST know about the sharingan.. but then how many do you think have seen one like sasukes?? people still living would have seen only the normal sharingan.. the odds of someone seeing the combined thing.. let alone a ms..... seriously starts to unbalance the scale..

no one could really argue that it was a random guess...

finally... his knowledge on dodging illusions of this nature makes him sort of oddly well informed. that and the fact that he is the only jin we've seen (i think.. correct me if im wrong) who actually has control over his bijuu.


final note---> bottom frames of page 8... (or rather where sasuke gives the jin the sharingan look before using the illusion on the next page)... is there any subtle message that being left behind?? its the first time we've seen like a slightly transparent look of those dark glasses.. no matter how slight...


however once again theres the prob that if he is madaras bro he wouldnt be able to see the shape of the shraringan or anything like that.... but to get twisted anyways... maybe the bijuu in some way is communicating with him..

either way... yes i do agree that the looks of the jin are wayyyyy off the scale of madaras lil bro... but apart from that its an interesting thing to just wonder about... either way kishis left a good story in this chapter

For sure, Hachibi said that it is the sharingan when he was in the "tsukoyumi".

[kiriappeee]

Thank god for this chapter. It'll put an end to the "Naruto won't be able to control Kyuubi" business. More importantly, it discredits the notion that Yamato's statement means that Kyuubi use is bad in every form.

On a side note, the Hachibi Jinchuuriki is the best fodder in the series to date by giving an entertaining fight. Also, I love the fact he's making Sasuke look like a nOOb right now.


amen to that!!! i swear its annoying to watch sasuke get all the attention and be portrayed as da man....

(after a few re reads.. i take back my stuff on madaras brother temporarily... :p :s...)

[Akumakage]

wow juugo can heal too. This just gets better and better. Just like some dude said earlier, sasuke has a walking ER with him. I don't know if I missed something but can juugo replenish his chakra from other sources? The last time i checked he was down and beat up now he has chakra to heal? Also wut is with the expression on suig face, its like he is drowning? As much as I love to c sasuke get beat up bad, this chapter was just disappointing. We all know since hachi went 8th tails he is going to die. I'm hoping next chapter has only naruto's training in it, cause I really don't want to c hachi lose this fight. lol

Now I do believe that juugo only wants to heal sasuke, and not give him the CS but just in case he does:

There are two thing that I just don't get.
1. When CS was 1st mentioned to us, it said it forcfully extract the user's chakra, not add some chakra to the user or get it from another source. My point is even if sasuke gets CS where the hell is he going to get the chakra needed to fight?
2. furthermore if he does get the CS, and use MS jutsus which consume a lot of chakra, where is this chakra coming from?

[Alex_1]

OK . . . there's no way this guy is Madara's brother. Plus, the entire ninja world is familiar with the sharingan. It's not like it's some big secret. Why wouldn't a ninja this skilled be aware of the sharingan and what it looks like?

Yeah I was afraid something like that would come out (Madara's brother). But I do wonder who his brother was.

Good chapter IMO. Sasuke looks to have been cut to pieces & impaled by the '8th tail'. The dude seems to have the ability to use the cloak to attack as well, forming bull-horns for attack. Pretty nifty. And that he's a bull does fit... whoever this dude is. Just like the ole' joke/expression... 'strong like bull'.

Also nice trick about controlling the tailed beast to get out of the genjutsu all on his own. Granted, Sasuke should have some more MS techniques, but no doubt he shoudl be weakened anyway after using the tsukuyomi twice in one day already at the least (interrogating to get information and tsukuyomi on the jinchuuriki). He didn't 'clothesline' sasuke, he 'gored' him by controlling the horns on his left arm.

Seems obvious now how they have to beat him. One of them will need to become a matador.

Eye opening in regards to naruto and maybe what Itachi gave to him and just what the sharingan has over the demon fox.

[Kakashi.Hatake]

Yeah, Sasuke seems to not have enough chakra... but he has to engage more efficient MS technics : Amaterasu or may be Susano !

Anyway, kid never be in trouble like he is !!!

[CupofDice]

Great fighting chapter. Anyone notice the horn on the bull was cut off? I wonder who did that to him. This chap also makes me feel a bit better about Naruto being a Jinchuuriki. Who needs jutsu when you can just form chakra into weapons. Hachibi reminds me of how cool that is. Also what was the deal with Juugo, and that propulsion he did? All in all it's good to see Sasuke truly defeated. I don't see any way he can win now. I wonder who is gonna pop in to save him.

[Kusachu]

Hey check it out, I'm going to be rudundant just so I can add a post to my count:




Wow! Amazing chapter! Seemed a little short, but Sasuke really got his ass kicked! That's awesome and so is Hachibi! Looks like it's Madara to the rescue! Or probably Kisame or Zetsu.

But now Naruto is really going to be able to kick Sasuke's ass when he learns to control Kyuubi! That's awesome! Can't wait for next week!

*yawn*

[chess4]

WOW.....things are looking bad for sasuke and crew. i thought the 8 tails was playing around, but i was wrong. the 8 tails looks good, but i think the hachibi went a bit overboard with transforming. i mean if he was in full control of the fighr why transform.
SIDENOTE


I MAY BE WRONG BUT.....the hachibi mentioning his brother leads me to believe a bigger revelation about down the road is coming, and if i am not mistaken, the hachibi's name has not been revealed, and he has gotten to much face time to be killed without his name to be revealed. i think the hachibi will be around for a while.

its going to be interesting how team hawk gets out of this one. i thought all 4 would make it out alive, but i am seriously starting to doubt that

[CupofDice]

Thats the way it is every week Kusachu. If you have a problem with it you probably shouldn't read this thread. Someone seems to be a Uchiha fanboy. >_>

[jerger]

i'm surprised more people are not talking about how he covered his eye to perform the jitsu.... that means he has two more attacks coming (nose? lol)... and the other eye.

[Lohnt]

I MAY BE WRONG BUT.....the hachibi mentioning his brother leads me to believe a bigger revelation about down the road is coming, and if i am not mistaken, the hachibi's name has not been revealed, and he has gotten to much face time to be killed without his name to be revealed. i think the hachibi will be around for a while.



Zomg, Hachibi has a Doujutsu-like sharingan! That's why we never see his eyes, and why he killed his brother.

gg

[Kusachu]

Thats the way it is every week Kusachu. If you have a problem with it you probably shouldn't read this thread. Someone seems to be a Uchiha fanboy. >_>

Yes, I'm totally an Uchiha fanboy. Yep.

Not really. I'm just bored. I wish there was more to talk about but all the posts say the same thing. And now that I'm thinking about it, I can't think of anything new to say either. I'd sort of like to talk about Karin's...freaky...bites, but what else is there to say? Guess I'll peace out then.

Thanks! You saved me from the doldrums! :D

[Karma]

It seem like the 8 tail brother is a bad ass. I guess he's the Hokage for the country he's at.... I hope Naruto will meet his brother one day...

I can't see Naruto using the full mode of the 9tail.. But it would be forced on him..

I hope next week them show pain and Naruto... Naruto should get the hang of the sage training by now.. or on the brink of dying before he solve it..

[Saifi]

WTF?! no, he isn't blind, for the millionth time. We don't see shino's eyes and we don't think he's blind, do we? We don't know who his brother is, he just mentioned him for the first time...and I doubt it would be madara...not sure if it was obvious or not, but...madara isn't black.

maybe madara did the whole michael jackson thing cause "it dont matter if ur black or white! -_o)


Yeah I was afraid something like that would come out (Madara's brother). But I do wonder who his brother was.

He didn't 'clothesline' sasuke, he 'gored' him by controlling the horns on his left arm.

Seems obvious now how they have to beat him. One of them will need to become a matador.

Eye opening in regards to naruto and maybe what Itachi gave to him and just what the sharingan has over the demon fox.
'

well it was still a clothsline , maybe a horny clothsline but still ......

well i know juggo can transform his body party into different things but with his cs in sauske maybe he cn turn his body parts into giant red cloth ! cause u know only sauske could pull off that matador outfit cause of his ...... umm.... fruityness :)

[makko]

Ok c'mon guys... this is NOT Madara's brother. I'm pretty sure Madara did a flashback when he told Sasuke of his story. They showed a pic of him n his brother as children. Or maybe it was in the Itachi flashback as he was telling Sasuke.

Also, lets relax on the Naruto is Genjutsu proof. Yes, even i've predicted a while ago that this is how Naruto can get out of Genjutsu. By using one of his diff chakras and inject himself with it with a clone or something. BUT lets remember. Naruto's case is slightly diff. Madara (soon Sasuke maybe) can control the 9tail. So assuming Either of those two face Naruto it won't be the 9tail giving naruto a wake up call... cause i'm sure Madara/Sasuke would be making sure he doesn't. Naruto would have to use his Senjutsu chakra with a clone maybe... or work in the power Itachi gave him.

[gold349]

Mr Host in bijuu form is huge, takka look like ants compared to him.

Its getting better and better but its expected, hachibi has to be shown to be over kill for them even if it is saske fighting.

This whole fight will be a display, to showcase what Naruto will be capable off if he gets in tune with his bijuu. The king of bijuu kyubi will have more of everything than hachibi, one good thing has come out of this fight, genjutsu even at a level of Tsukuyomi can be broken and resisted, the same blood as the person casting tsukuyomi has gone out of the window but maybe its just for jinchuricki?.

Saske has suffered major mortal wound, its juugo time to save his sad ass, I can make out his ribs, flesh, skin graft and chakra... this technique juugo is using is convenient oh well we know its-saske-no-jutsu is gonna come in some time. Over all great chapter, Mr Host could have done this without going into bijuu form so now that he has gone to bijuu, all that has happened so far should be minor. I'm expecting some major power display maybe hoping to see him sink a few islands, blow up some mountains and such, this is the second strongest bijuu with a brain, takka and Saske IMO should stand no chance but I know that's not going to happen, all I want is a good hard core battle at least before its-saske-no-jutsu comes into play and they have victory.

[Kage Level]

isn't there a super "plot no jutsu" if Sasuke wins this fight. i mean they put Biju in hosts so that they could be used as the ultimate weapon for the village that they are a part of. i mean, the fourth had to sacrifice his life just to stop nine tails without it partnering up with an experienced ninja. the first was one of a kind with his power. they are supposed to be able to take out strong ninja villages. and here we are believing that a fully transformed Jinchuriki/ Biju is supposed to be taken out by a still developing Uchiha and his gang of three? i still have problems with Akatsuki taking out Jinchuriki when they've had so many problems with developing ninja unless the other Jinchuriki couldn't control the Biju like Hachibi or these things just aren't as badass as legend says.

[Paradoxicon]

Pretty one-sided so far, but unfortunately this fight is far from over.

they still got some moves left.
Suigetsu with lots of water
Sasuke fused with Juugo (DragonballZ anyone?)
Sasuke's MS is unique in some way cause of the atom shape. He's got to have something other than Itachi's abilities.

And even though it's highly likely that one of Taka is going to die there (Madara HAS to mock Sasuke with something after he returns, even if it's just losing a team member), probably Juugo. He's got the background, the attitude, and yeah, he's got the flashback already.
So there's still the possibility of Taka playing dead or heavily wounded, Hachibi returning to normal form cause he thinks he won and somebody sneaking up on him with a stick to knock him out.

[bean]

I don't think juugo is fusing with sasuke to form a sasuugo (?, juusuke? sajugo...you get the idea)...I may be wrong about that, but from what I got out of it is that he's literally giving him his own flesh and chakra...(that is, he's taking mass and energy from his body and transfering it to sasukes to patch up the canyon that the hachibi made in sasuke's chest).

[makko]

I think this is more about Sasuke than showing us what Naruto can do. I'm not convinced that Naruto's future has much to do with controlling the 9tail. After all if he's gonna revolutionize the Ninja world... thats gonna mean the end of using these Bijuus'. So Naruto will be a beast in other ways. This is mainly about Sasuke. His decision to always be bailed out by being given power. Its a humbling experience. Every time he gets humbled he gets pissed and runs to get more power. Juugo offering it is like another decision for him. Or after this fight will he go to Madara a lil more "well behaved" looking to learn more. Might be a lil too late. Unless something significant comes out... he might have to use Juugo's CS transfer. He is hurt bad.

Also, someone said that if Kisame came he would get his butt kicked too? hmmm i dont know about that. Kisame is a beast. He's battle proven. lol Last i saw on Natural Geographic... Ox's can't swim that well. Also, Kisame manhandled his Jinchuuriki. He said the guy was tough but he didn't look like he broke a sweat. Not a scratch on him.

Madara is villain for real. Sends Sasuke on to a battle where the guy can't even use his Bloodline. haaaaa... wow.

[wendigo2k]

Juugo became pretty useless he has to die somewhen and the best opportunity is now as a sacrifice for sasuke! That is important especially since sasuke has to experience once more that friendship and teamwork is best

i predict him to either use Susanoo or if he cant use it (maybe because he would have to use ameratsu before which he cant because he mustn't kill the 8tails) get help by some other watching Akatsuki member, which is hopefully Madara (seeing him pwn the 8tails would make him more badass evil)
on the other hand...Madara told Pain that sasuke could handle the 8tails alone and so far he has always been right (yes kishi you want to make him look wise in some way)

[makko]

I don't think juugo is fusing with sasuke to form a sasuugo (?, juusuke? sajugo...you get the idea)...I may be wrong about that, but from what I got out of it is that he's literally giving him his own flesh and chakra...(that is, he's taking mass and energy from his body and transfering it to sasukes to patch up the canyon that the hachibi made in sasuke's chest).


yea def seems like that. I just find it interesting. These guys really learned a lot from Oro. The way they're all patching each other up and basically doing surgery on the field. lol Tsunade should recruit these guys.

[bean]

yea def seems like that. I just find it interesting. These guys really learned a lot from Oro. The way they're all patching each other up and basically doing surgery on the field. lol Tsunade should recruit these guys.
they remind me of akatsuki...only a bush league version...the kiddy noob version.

[Paradoxicon]

I don't think juugo is fusing with sasuke to form a sasuugo (?, juusuke? sajugo...you get the idea)...I may be wrong about that, but from what I got out of it is that he's literally giving him his own flesh and chakra...(that is, he's taking mass and energy from his body and transfering it to sasukes to patch up the canyon that the hachibi made in sasuke's chest).

it's just one possibility. But just lending Sasuke some flesh and chakra isn't really "fusing". Juugo transformed so often now, I think fusing with sasuke to create a 30 foot winged MS demon is not out of limits for him...
And even though it would be a plot-no-jutsu (which we gonna get anyway looking at the fight right now) it's a rather interesting one.

[Shichibukai]

I wanna know who his bother is also.. he sounds badass. I also think madara had forsee or planned all this wooping of taka, just to make them rely on akatuks power etc. also clever of madara to send his member to naruto who hasent yet got control of his biju, and send saskue to to one who has controlled his.....

finnally i have to say that kishi has done a great job in building up saskues super inflated ego / ass. which has now come crashing down like weve never seen before...

if this is hachibi - i wanna see what level naruto gets to when he has sage no jutsu with kyubi under control awsome.

[bean]

it's just one possibility. But just ledning Sasuke some flesh and chakra is really "fusing". Juugo transformed so often now, I think fusing with sasuke to create a 30 foot winged MS demon is not out of limits for him...
And even though it would be a plot-no-jutsu (which we gonna get anyway looking at the fight right now) it's a rather interesting one.
I'm not saying it's impossible (and I didn't deny that he's "fusing" with sasuke), I'm just saying that the way it was presented, I don't think they're merging into one being ala DBZ.


edit: giving a part of himself and FUSING it onto sasuke's body is fusing....


Main Entry: fuse

Pronunciation: \ˈfyüz\

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): fused; fus·ing

Etymology: Latin fusus, past participle of fundere to pour, melt — more at found (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/found) Date: 1592

transitive verb
1: to reduce to a liquid or plastic state by heat
2: to blend thoroughly by or as if by melting together : combine (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/combine)
3: to stitch by applying heat and pressure with or without the use of an adhesive
intransitive verb
1 a: to become fluid with heat
b British : to fail because of the blowing of a fuse
2: to become blended or joined by or as if by melting together

[Paradoxicon]

Question: Is this the first time we see such a style by Kishi like he did with tjhe Hachibi punch after the genjutsu?
Multiple panels showing the some move from different angles in slow motion?
Can't remember anything like that. But it was definitely awesome, turning to the next page, getting a double page that basically says "POOOOOOOOOOOW!!!" followed by a bullet time sequence...

:blink

[makko]

they remind me of akatsuki...only a bush league version...the kiddy noob version.

Yea exactly. Hopefully Sasuke picked them all for this. Maybe the point of this all is to see why sasuke picked them. Sooner or later he's gonna have to realize that all this drug/lab rat/plastic surgery crap is what got Oro crazy.


Guys, forget all the fusing and HUGE MS based attacks etc. Sasuke has to be able to get a beat on this guy. He really hasn't hit him hard yet. He hasn't figured out a weak point. So it doesn't matter how strong of an attack he has or if he's a huge CS bird... he has to get Hachibi where it hurts. So far that hasn't been revealed. I mean Oro stabbed the 9tail in the throat with one of the strongest swords in the Manga! didn't even scratch him cause it wasn't a weak point.
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Hey, i just noticed this guys teeth here:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page005.html

Maybe he's got some kinda vampire attributes lol. That would explain his eyes being sensitive to the light.

[Strider's♥Death]

Yea exactly. Hopefully Sasuke picked them all for this. Maybe the point of this all is to see why sasuke picked them. Sooner or later he's gonna have to realize that all this drug/lab rat/plastic surgery crap is what got Oro crazy.


Guys, forget all the fusing and HUGE MS based attacks etc. Sasuke has to be able to get a beat on this guy. He really hasn't hit him hard yet. He hasn't figured out a weak point. So it doesn't matter how strong of an attack he has or if he's a huge CS bird... he has to get Hachibi where it hurts. So far that hasn't been revealed. I mean Oro stabbed the 9tail in the throat with one of the strongest swords in the Manga! didn't even scratch him cause it wasn't a weak point.
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Hey, i just noticed this guys teeth here:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page005.html

Maybe he's got some kinda vampire attributes lol. That would explain his eyes being sensitive to the light.

lol silly makko , u get that when u go cloak tails, just like naruto too . ^_^

[zmaia]

Yea exactly. Hopefully Sasuke picked them all for this. Maybe the point of this all is to see why sasuke picked them. Sooner or later he's gonna have to realize that all this drug/lab rat/plastic surgery crap is what got Oro crazy.


Guys, forget all the fusing and HUGE MS based attacks etc. Sasuke has to be able to get a beat on this guy. He really hasn't hit him hard yet. He hasn't figured out a weak point. So it doesn't matter how strong of an attack he has or if he's a huge CS bird... he has to get Hachibi where it hurts. So far that hasn't been revealed. I mean Oro stabbed the 9tail in the throat with one of the strongest swords in the Manga! didn't even scratch him cause it wasn't a weak point.
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Hey, i just noticed this guys teeth here:

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page005.html

Maybe he's got some kinda vampire attributes lol. That would explain his eyes being sensitive to the light.

Naruto's fangs grow too when he goes Kyuubi :amuse I guess it's normal...

[bean]

I thought that was a bad choice on kishi's part...an ox doesn't have fangs...but then again, tehy don't have octopus tails either.

[makko]

lol silly makko , u get that when u go cloak tails, just like naruto too . ^_^

haaaaa i'm looking too much into this guy. He has to have some weakness. It went right by me cause Naruto having fangs kinda matches ya know. that was silly

[Gahh]

I'm confused by juugo being able to heal sasukes serious wound.
now he's overdoing it a little. Makes "humans" and "bodies" too generic.
Somehow this doesn't add up.
I can however imagine that sasukes genjutsu was not really broken. Making this an unreal jutsu.

[manga_freaky]

This fight is so boring. I mean how come a Jin who can control his beast becomes the actual beast. Just because he is conscious (still talking). It's rushed and deja vu (Gaara). Same chakra type as Naruto? Come on.

[Holland]

I thought that was a bad choice on kishi's part...an ox doesn't have fangs...but then again, tehy don't have octopus tails either.

I liked it, the traditional snake theme for the eight tails had already been used on Oro.

[MoofMoof]

So genjutsu doesn't work. It makes sense why as Chiyo explained this exact method back in the Save Gaara arc. I feel this fight is gonna foreshadow Naruto's future fighting style. Controlling his bijuu and being totally immune to genjutsu.

I like how Sasuke should be dead (twice) now. The first time, his Sharingan couldn't follow Hachibi because Hachibi didn't move in a straight line. The second time, his MS genjutsu doesn't work and Hachibi capitalized by giving Sasuke the closeline of the century.

To the people saying Sasuke hasn't gotten serious:

He's used Sharingan, Chidori, Chidori charged sword, and MS. He has been serious. The only thing he has yet to use is Amaterasu and Kirin. Amaterasu might not even work here because Hachibi is too fast and there is no way he can prepare a Kirin fast enough.

Seeing as Hachibi is attacking as a full beast, Juugo is gonna have to do something and cannot heal Sasuke. Karin is low on chakra and Suigetsu is a puddle.

Unless Madara shows up and uses the move he used on Sanbi, Taka is going to die in the next 5 minutes.

[manga_freaky]

So is that a way of telling us that the eight tails got his horn cut by his brother?

[patedecarne]

Damn, it took so long to read this chapter. but finally I'v made it!

Ok, We all are seeing a massacre where Hawk team is being completely wiped out in a fantastic chapter! Genjutsu is useless, and again, Sasuke wouldn't be able to make it for himself without Hawk Team;

And about the results: a half dead hawk Team against the bull Octopus Hachibi; the result is too obvious to be discussed, and something big will happen in the next week, because this way, bye bye Hawk...

[laughing@you]

This fight is so boring. I mean how come a Jin who can control his beast becomes the actual beast. Just because he is conscious (still talking). It's rushed and deja vu (Gaara). Same chakra type as Naruto? Come on.

Well the sanbi manage to pull out his bijuu. Practically like there was nothing to it...

But i agree with you, its kinda weird how gaara needs to do some type of chakra concentration thing to summon the one-tail and here comes sanbi and hachibi and fully transform at will.....

On the other hand naruto's kiuby starts to come out just him getting angry. I think those two should seat down work their issues out. I mean the kiuby should know by now that if he ever manages to get out, his gonna be sealed again, in an another body. That thing should know by now that it should help his partner into becoming strong. Probably hachibi's knows this and actually looks out for his partner.

Unless the sealing technique plays a huge role in this.

Also i read hissho's translation and it says that juugo told kairin her chakra wouldn't help sasuke, unlike sleepyfans trans that said she didn't have enough chakra. Meaning there's a limit on what kairin abilities can heal.

Guess we are gonna have to wait until the next chapter to see if sasuke gets back into this fight, or team hawk has to fight......to run away!!! savy!!!

[TEK]

After reading this chapter, I got to thinking. Is it possible to completely defeat/kill Suigetsu. I mean everytime he gets hit or anything, he just turns into a puddle of water. If Suigetsu is capable of dying, how would you kill him?

And Hawk is screwed. After we see Juugo merging with Sasuke to save him, Sasuke either needs to pull out all the big guns (if he has any left) or we definitely need to see an Akatsuki member appearance to save their butts.

[manga_freaky]

No my question is, does Suigetsu have a heart?

[zmaia]

After reading this chapter, I got to thinking. Is it possible to completely defeat/kill Suigetsu. I mean everytime he gets hit or anything, he just turns into a puddle of water. If Suigetsu is capable of dying, how would you kill him?

And Hawk is screwed. After we see Juugo merging with Sasuke to save him, Sasuke either needs to pull out all the big guns (if he has any left) or we definitely need to see an Akatsuki member appearance to save their butts.

Put him in a pot and on a stove burner and wait until he evaporates - cook him? :darn That's it, I'm leaving, 15 hours of hanging out here - enough is enough!

[akatsuki27]

well, this chapter had it all.....a little forshadowing on how naruto will be impervious to genjutsu IF he can fully control the kyuubi, sasuke getting his chest blown off with a horned-chakra-cloak-clothesline, and team hawk collectively seeing their life flash before their eyes

[ptolemy]

No my question is, does Suigetsu have a heart?

That's insulting to suigetsu. He may be a ruthless killer but I'm sure he feels for people

[akatsuki27]

the only thing that is starting to worry me now about how this taka vs hachibi fight is going is the serious asswhooping that taka is getting is only setting hachibi up for a deus ex machina defeat (unless there's some kind of MS technique within sasuke's arsenal that can do him some good against the jin).....and that always pisses me off

[laughing@you]

Damn, it took so long to read this chapter. but finally I'v made it!

Ok, We all are seeing a massacre where Hawk team is being completely wiped out in a fantastic chapter! Genjutsu is useless, and again, Sasuke wouldn't be able to make it for himself without Hawk Team;

And about the results: a half dead hawk Team against the bull Octopus Hachibi; the result is too obvious to be discussed, and something big will happen in the next week, because this way, bye bye Hawk...

QFT....

you are working on the review...right?

I'm guessing the next chapter is just team hawk covering their escape. Hell i wouldn't be surprise if the next chapter is kairin and sasuke hiding in a cave, sasuke waking up still messed up and kairin explaining how suigetsu and juugo covered their escape, in a flashback type of way.

[manga_freaky]

That's insulting to suigetsu. He may be a ruthless killer but I'm sure he feels for people

No i meant physical.

[ptolemy]

the only thing that is starting to worry me now about how this taka vs hachibi fight is going is the serious asswhooping that taka is getting is only setting hachibi up for a deus ex machina defeat (unless there's some kind of MS technique within sasuke's arsenal that can do him some good against the jin).....and that always pisses me off

good point. I was so excited that the fight got so good that I didn't think of how taka would actually win this fight, which I suppose they have to. I don't think sasuke will flee: it would prolong this 'capture the 8 tails' storyline too much and I don't think it's in sasuke's nature to flee. Ameterasu is an option, but it doesn't seem like such a thing is strong enough to take down a bijuu, at least it doesn't seem fair that it's strong enough. Madara really may have to step in here.
[hr]

No i meant physical.

I know, I was joking.

[patedecarne]

the only thing that is starting to worry me now about how this taka vs hachibi fight is going is the serious asswhooping that taka is getting is only setting hachibi up for a deus ex machina defeat (unless there's some kind of MS technique within sasuke's arsenal that can do him some good against the jin).....and that always pisses me off

I don't think Sasuke has another powerful jutsu able to match Hachibi; Like I said on previous thread, if Sasuke realy had some ultra powerful sharingan skill, he's used such jutsu in the moment when he notices how powerful Hachibi is. And seems that Genjutsu was a last resort attack, who was proven to be innefective;

Exactly what'll happen from now, it's a total mystery, but only Karin and Suigetsu can fight now, because Juugo is healing Sasuke;


QFT....

you are working on the review...right?

I'm guessing the next chapter is just team hawk covering their escape. Hell i wouldn't be surprise if the next chapter is kairin and sasuke hiding in a cave, sasuke waking up still messed up and kairin explaining how suigetsu and juugo covered their escape, in a flashback type of way.

Of course, my friend! Though it'll come later this week: right now I'm overloaded with works and stuff here on my job, but I can assure you that the review will come up!

And if by the way Sasuke gains a new power based on the CS again just to be able to fight equally with Hachibi, the manga Naruto will be past, unfortunately...

[makko]

Well the sanbi manage to pull out his bijuu. Practically like there was nothing to it...

But i agree with you, its kinda weird how gaara needs to do some type of chakra concentration thing to summon the one-tail and here comes sanbi and hachibi and fully transform at will.....



I think i mentioned it before but age is a huge factor with how these Jinchuuriki's handle the Bijuu. This guy and Sanbi are obviously a lil more mature. Naruto/Gaara are just kids. Also, i wouldn't doubt if just like humans these beasts of nature also have different temperaments. Some people are calm some are restless. Some tend to help some dont... ya know.

[bean]

I don't think Sasuke has another powerful jutsu able to match Hachibi; Like I said on previous thread, if Sasuke realy had some ultra powerful sharingan skill, he's used such jutsu in the moment when he notices how powerful Hachibi is. And seems that Genjutsu was a last resort attack, who was proven to be innefective;

he should have susanoo, right? yet he's holding back on using that one...I'm sure he has a few MS techs that he's not showing us, not yet.
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um...sanbi was the bijuu that was on the loose without a jin...just fyi.

[vintagemistakes]

Prediction:

Juugo heals Sasuke thus giving him back the CS. Sasuke feeling better goes bankai on the Hachibi releasing Susano'o. The hachibi somehow manages to break the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi and releases Oro's soul from the never ending genjutsu. Sasuke manages to trap Oro once again inside of him... regaining Oro's and the white snakes powers. Sasuke then proceeds to dismantle the hachibi and everything is returned to the way it should be in the Narutoverse... Sasuke is once again "godlike"/uber-powerful and we can all go back to complaining how unfair it is... Enough of this craziness already...

[laughing@you]

I think i mentioned it before but age is a huge factor with how these Jinchuuriki's handle the Bijuu. This guy and Sanbi are obviously a lil more mature. Naruto/Gaara are just kids. Also, i wouldn't doubt if just like humans these beasts of nature also have different temperaments. Some people are calm some are restless. Some tend to help some dont... ya know.

Sounds plausible.....due to maturity and control. Could also be the bijuus temper or attitude, like you said...

Which could mean its a matter of time and actually meditation with their bijuus that they manage to achieve this partnership.


@b e a n
I think kishi is setting this up for a re-match. Even is sasuke had susano i doubt he will be able to summon him in the state his in. And after an injury like that he will be able to continue fighting. This call for a good'ol escape to fight another day!!!

I though yugito was in the cloud counrty to? She has the same headband as hachibi!!!

[Hemostrat]

I believe he means Nibi

[akatsuki27]

I don't think Sasuke has another powerful jutsu able to match Hachibi; Like I said on previous thread, if Sasuke realy had some ultra powerful sharingan skill, he's used such jutsu in the moment when he notices how powerful Hachibi is. And seems that Genjutsu was a last resort attack, who was proven to be innefective;

Exactly what'll happen from now, it's a total mystery, but only Karin and Suigetsu can fight now, because Juugo is healing Sasuke;

And if by the way Sasuke gains a new power based on the CS again just to be able to fight equally with Hachibi, the manga Naruto will be past, unfortunately...

the reason sasuke used genjutsu in that situation is because he had no time for anything else.....im gunna go ahead and assume that sasuke cant fully control his MS yet, he recently got it...to think he could master it so soon might of been too hopefull....so far, he has only cast genjutsu with his MS

and all of this inability to subdue the hachibi is exactly my point....something is going to happen to bail taka out of this situation that will make everybody scratch their head as to how they pulled a victory out their a-hole.....either that or they will employ the oldest and noblest of pirate traditions
[hr]

I though yugito was in the cloud counrty to? She has the same headband as hachibi!!!

yeah i noticed that too, i had forgot that yugito was from the cloud until i saw the anime yesterday....so the cloud had two jins, interesting....i guess that's why hachibi was training, he knew akatsuki was coming for him sooner or later

[vintagemistakes]

and all of this inability to subdue the hachibi is exactly my point....something is going to happen to bail taka out of this situation that will make everybody scratch their head as to how they pulled a victory out their a-hole

I hope not... I always figured they would struggle in capturing the hachibi... but I never figured that they would struggle this much. I can't foresee any plausible way for them to pull out a victory here. I never liked the idea of Madara or Zetsu coming in to save the day but IMO that's probably the best/most plausible option left.

[laughing@you]

the reason sasuke used genjutsu in that situation is because he had no time for anything else.....im gunna go ahead and assume that sasuke cant fully control his MS yet, he recently got it...to think he could master it so soon might of been too hopefull....so far, he has only cast genjutsu with his MS

and all of this inability to subdue the hachibi is exactly my point....something is going to happen to bail taka out of this situation that will make everybody scratch their head as to how they pulled a victory out their a-hole

Well i think he wanted time to regroup.

He could have dodge and continue fighting, but he choosed MS to get some time off.

At that point they are on the run. Suigetsu is useless and juugo playing kairin's protector.

My theory is somebody, not a taka member shall intervene!!!

[Gahh]

mhh the foreshadowing part is impressive ...
However something is telling me that Naruto is going to have to find a different solution.

What makes me curious as well is that bull / octopus Merge ... Is that the original Eight tail or is the eight tail an octopus and the Bullhead just some tool / creation to controll it ? or vice versa ?.

What i'm happy about is that the eight tail is no SNAKE :D mhahahahahahaha

[akatsuki27]

Well i think he wanted time to regroup.

He could have dodge and continue fighting, but he choosed MS to get some time off.

At that point they are on the run. Suigetsu is useless and juugo playing kairin's protector.

My theory is somebody, not a taka member shall intervene!!!

that would be lame though i think....however, there has been precedent for sasuke being built up with hype only to be humbled by a jin and getting saved by someone else...like when he fought gaara and looked so badass in the arena and then got in over his head relying on the CS and got humbled against jin gaara and naruto had to save his sorry ass

[enmymiguel]

wow now sasuke need manda but he let him die.

i wonder what huge thing sasuke is going to summon to fight against 8tail.

[patedecarne]

Seeing the last picture was, at least, interesting:

With or without Susanno, Amaterasu, everything will be useless against Hachibi:

Just a little joke:

Sasuke uses Amaterasu;
Hachibi then blows it away with its hands, bye bye Ama;

Sasuke uses Susanoo:
Hachibi just jumps over Sasuke, game over;

On a more seriousness note, hawk is totally surrounded now: without chakra, there's no much left to do now:

Look at this scenario:
-Juugo is healing Sasuke, thus he's unable to fight;
-Sasuke is half dead now, sure it'll take some time to recover himself;
-Suigetsu has passed away for a moment;
-Karin is the only one left to fight, and unless she has some kind of shield or barrier, game over(and regarless of barrier's type, I think Hachibi can penetrate on every barrier);

with brief words: Hachibi's first move now could destroy everyone there, and that's the reality.

Seems the perfect opportunity for Madara, and i'm really curious to see his powers just now;

[gold349]

I'm confused by juugo being able to heal sasukes serious wound.
now he's overdoing it a little. Makes "humans" and "bodies" too generic.
Somehow this doesn't add up.
I can however imagine that sasukes genjutsu was not really broken. Making this an unreal jutsu.


I'm not in fact, one of the sound 4 had the ability to split and take residence inside the body of his brother, once split one half was like an armour the other a normal body (I'm assuming that was his ability due to the CS) I could see something similar, juugo giving Saske some of his CS flesh/armour and his chakra.


......................

Which could mean its a matter of time and actually meditation with their bijuus that they manage to achieve this partnership.

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I though yugito was in the cloud counrty to? She has the same headband as hachibi!!!

Meditation could give mental strength but IMHO I can not see something that's been sealed away inside you to cooperate just from meditation. The personality of kyubi isn't such that it would cooperate easily, something more extreme, threats, danger to the containers life at moment has worked for Naruto but to get cooperation by bijuu willingly maybe its going to be something like Naruto showing kyubi his own power, physical/mental and spiritual power, win respect from kyubi, IMO Naruto will have to display power equal to kyubi I know that's impossible or display the potential he has in order to gain kyubi respect for him to help as if he were Naruto partner, Naruto may have to show that he is on equal standing with kyubi in some way, power may be out of question, chakra may be out of question too but there might be something Naruto can do which wins kyubi's friendship, that is what I would say other than fear of dieing forcing kyubi hand to help.

[Quetz]

I was pretty surprised that the 8tails took the form he did rather than stick with the mythology by being more serpentine.

Its not looking too good for sasuke. I'm sure they'll somehow manage to escape in the next couple chapters, I don't see them feasibly being able to form any type of meaningful counterattack, especially with sasuke having to be saved 2x in the past minute or so of actual combat....

[bean]

I'm not in fact, one of the sound 4 had the ability to split and take residence inside the body of his brother, once split one half was like an armour the other a normal body (I'm assuming that was his ability due to the CS) I could see something similar, juugo giving Saske some of his CS flesh/armour and his chakra.

they had that ability outside of the CS (akon and sakon I think were their names) but what juugo is doing is similar to what chiyo did...he's giving a part of himself to sasuke. He only mentioned the CS because he was justifying that sasuke's body wouldn't reject juugos (his body could handle MY CS, so it should be able to handle MY flesh and chakra).

[laughing@you]

that would be lame though i think....however, there has been precedent for sasuke being built up with hype only to be humbled by a jin and getting saved by someone else...like when he fought gaara and looked so badass in the arena and then got in over his head relying on the CS and got humbled against jin gaara and naruto had to save his sorry ass

this is why Patadecarne is right....cuz almost everything that team hawk threw against the 8tails was either countered or rendered infective. Even MS proved to be worthless.

Nobody notice the difference between the previous fight? Sasuke's ideas during this fight where displayed. That says a lot. Not even when he fought itachi sasuke tactics were shown in the manga, but only after his genius plan unfolded. Now he was playing catch up with the 8-tails and barely dodging his attacks. Meaning he wasn't sure of WTF he was supposed to do or what to do next. Thats why he activated MS on the 8-tails during the attack to have some time out and regroup. His plans didn't work and got hurt.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I hope Itachi transfer The Uchiha Art of Run to Sasuke too. Because right now Sasuke need it.

I can't see how taka going to win this fight, it will be the biggest Plothole no jutsu ever if they some how end up wining, so i'm expecting either Madara or Zetsu to intervene.

Also why the freck did Hachibi transform into the full tail-mode? That makes no sense, he was invincible with just the number eigth.

[enmymiguel]

wow i want to know later who cut that 8tail beast horn. it must be a powerful thing.
and remember when is that big is more easy to fight against. some crazy idea. but they say that the 9tail is more powerful and the 1th hokage fight against madara and the 9tail. but then again when the beast tail are control by a human they power are double specially if the one who have it is powerful

[bean]

I hope Itachi transfer The Uchiha Art of Run to Sasuke too. Because right now Sasuke need it.

I can't see how taka going to win this fight, it will be the biggest Plothole no jutsu ever if they some how end up wining, so i'm expecting either Madara or Zetsu to intervene.

Also why the freck did Hachibi transform into the full tail-mode? That makes no sense, he was invincible with just the number eigth.
he wants to get back to his whiskey asap...that he just doesn't want to play games anymore...like a male lion being harassed by some cubs...he knocks them away at first, walks away from them, but sooner or later, he reaches his limit, treats them like prey and then kills them because they wouldn't leave him alone.

[MoofMoof]

Hachibi wants to show off I guess.

Anyway, why didn't Pein have Hidan and Kakuzu go after Hachibi right after they caught Nibi? Instead they went after Naruto.

It could mean that Kakuzu and Hidan weren't really supposed to go to Konoha (since Naruto was Itachi's target) and he just made that excuse so he could go to the Fire Temple, kill Chiriku to get money.

Too bad I think Hidan and Kakuzu could take down Hachibi. With Hidan, it doesn't matter how big and bad you are, once he gets your blood, you lose.

[laughing@you]

Hachibi wants to show off I guess.

Anyway, why didn't Pein have Hidan and Kakuzu go after Hachibi right after they caught Nibi? Instead they went after Naruto.

It could mean that Kakuzu and Hidan weren't really supposed to go to Konoha (since Naruto was Itachi's target) and he just made that excuse so he could go to the Fire Temple, kill Chiriku to get money.

Too bad I think Hidan and Kakuzu could take down Hachibi. With Hidan, it doesn't matter how big and bad you are, once he gets your blood, you lose.

I was just thinking the same thing. How come kakuzu and hidan that where actually in that country didn't capture the 8-tails?

One of the following theory's

1) They mentioned something about sealing the bijuus in sequence. So it could be that.

2) They didn't know the 8-tails was in the cloud country.

3) (WARNING Conspiracy theory alert) Madara with his hidden secret agenda from akatsuki had already contacted 8-tails and had him on his side. Probably madara said that akatsuki would never go after him, all of a sudden 4 kids appear saying they are akatsuki and want to capture him. I'm thinking this due to the fact back in the beginning of the fight the 8-tails reaction to the mention of the akatsuki name was like surprised but yet unimpressed, more like yeah right akatsuki my ass. Specially when the word is out that akatsuki is looking for jinchuurikis and that they travel in pairs not in groups of 4. So probably to the 8-tails team hawk are just a couple of punks that want to make a name for themselves and get noted. Probably in the next chapter we could see madara appearing either defeating the 8-tails or actually ordering him to stand down.

[dragon2021]

I think this is to show that a kubei can be controled completely. However, I do not want to compare Naruto and to the Habachi for many reasons. First, nine tails sealed differently. secondly, he is in his late 30s or even 40 Naruto does not have that much time. Thirsly, Naruto does not think of the nine tails the same as the 8 tails guy does. Lastly, it is much stronger than the 8 tails. He will do it, but it will not be done the same way.

[Rainier]

^Probably further training for Naruto.

[shinobi]

so if naruto controlled QB he'll be able to overcome the MS genjutsu so naruto wont really need to improve his genjutsu. I'd like to see some sort of partnership between naruto and QB just like hachibi and the 8-tails bijuu.

[gold349]

off topic I have read many comments, the posts are innumerable regarding Madara having a secret agenda and is just using akatuksi, so what if he hasn't told all to akatuksi, so what if he is just using them, so what if he shows no love/care for members... its his organisation he can do /deal with it as he pleases, he put the out fit together, Uchiha Madara is akatuksi.

Anyway, hachibi is being premature with this transformation, he was handling takka fine as it was. I think takka only got, what, a couple of kick/punches, a few sword attacks and a tsukuyomii in, hachibi didn't feel sh.t and he has played saske in 3 tail mode with sharingan then again Naruto 3 tail was faced with sharingan and CS, I'd say from this that CS played a massive role and gave him ubber power. Though I was expecting MS to fill the gap left by CS it some how hasn't made him physically stronger, its weird he should have gained an aid better than CS but Itachi sucking Oro/CS has left him vulnerable.

[llamapie]

off topic I have read many comments, the posts are innumerable regarding Madara having a secret agenda and is just using akatuksi, so what if he hasn't told all to akatuksi, so what if he is just using them, so what if he shows no love/care for members... its his organisation he can do /deal with it as he pleases, he put the out fit together, Uchiha Madara is akatuksi.

Anyway, hachibi is being premature with this transformation, he was handling takka fine as it was. I think takka only got, what, a couple of kick/punches, a few sword attacks and a tsukuyomii in, hachibi didn't feel sh.t and he has played saske in 3 tail mode with sharingan then again Naruto 3 tail was faced with sharingan and CS, I'd say from this that CS played a massive role and gave him ubber power. Though I was expecting MS to fill the gap left by CS it some how hasn't made him physically stronger, its weird he should have gained an aid better than CS but Itachi sucking Oro/CS has left him vulnerable.

It's like kakashi told Sasuke before he up and EMO'ed his way out of the village. "If you rely on the cursed seal you will cease to grow as a shinobi." This this seems only partially true now.

Can someone tell me why sasuke is being referred to as takka?

[AwesomeSage]

Gotta say as this fight stands now there SHOULD be no way Sasuke and co. win this fight. Way out of their league. A fully released byjuu under the control of its host ... no way they should win or even survive .. but they will survive and unfortunately they will win. Now imagine Naruto gainin that much control over this tailed beast ... yum yum.

[Raizen]

I really hope that Hachibi wins. If somehow sasuke pulls a win from his ass in this condition especially against a fully released monster, I will personally kick the author's ass.

The only way I see the 8-tails being captured if it was pein or even Madara. But I don't want the 8-tails to lose at all. He should team up w/ gaara and naruto, now that would be cool. I see either pein or madara almost capturing the 8-tails but someone from either the leaf or the sand comes and saves him and thus he comes in contact w/ naruto and gaara. Also a chance for the leaf to know sasuke's intentions

[Gilgy]

Gotta say as this fight stands now there SHOULD be no way Sasuke and co. win this fight. Way out of their league. A fully released byjuu under the control of its host ... no way they should win or even survive .. but they will survive and unfortunately they will win. Now imagine Naruto gainin that much control over this tailed beast ... yum yum.

Yeah, and personally, I think Mr Host and Naruto would somehow cross paths and Naruto would learn how to control Kyuubi from him, either through training from him or another. Whatever it is, I hope Mr Host lives up to the hype he's getting now. Rock on Mr Host!

[enmymiguel]

sasuke is going to win but zetzu is going to show madara the fight and he will see that sasuke need more training and he need to stop let hes guard down and underrestimate hes opponent.

but if is true that madara is going to let sasuke use the 8tail that will be cool.

i can wait to see next chapter. cause really, what in the blue hell team hawk is going to do. plus suigetsu need alot of time to get back after a powerful blow

[shinobi]

Gotta say as this fight stands now there SHOULD be no way Sasuke and co. win this fight. Way out of their league. A fully released byjuu under the control of its host ... no way they should win or even survive .. but they will survive and unfortunately they will win. Now imagine Naruto gainin that much control over this tailed beast ... yum yum.


of course naruto gaining this kind of power will be great. unfortunately, even if naruto reached the same level of hachibi, he'll still lose to sasuke or madara since the MS is supposed to control the QB. looks like the MS doesn't have the same effect on the other bijuus like this 8-tails.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

Though Sasuke did get bestest. Saying he isn't that strong is utter BS. He is fighting and Jinchuuriki with full power over his bijuu. Minato had the support of his entire village and died sealing it(9-tails). If Taka alone comes out with a victory against the 8-tails. I will be impressed. These creatures are said to wipe out villages in a night.

I can't see Susano'o being used now because it would kill the 8-taiils. Unless there was someway to release someone from susano'o seal. Amaterasu could most likely do some heavy damage. And after that Sasuke still has 3 more MS jutsu he could possibly use. Also I think Kirin would damage the 8-tails as well.

But hopefully Suigetsu will show what he can do with a full body of water. Buy Sasuke time to get healed and use an MS jutsu.

But seriously. Wtf was Madara thinking.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You can not possibly be trying to compare a jinchuuriki to a bijuu. Minato and the village fought The Kyuubi, not Naruto. The 8 tail jinchuurii was at the equivalent of Naruto's 3 or 4 tailed state. Minato fought the Nine Tailed Fox Demon, not a jinchuuriki. I'm pretty sure that there is a difference in power. Also, I doubt that the 8 tails is not stronger than the 9 tailed beast. Also, it wasn't specified if Minato received help when he fought against the 9 tails. The Hokage normally doesn't fight unless there is no other alternative. If Minato was the only one that could've beaten the Kyuubi, the other nins would've just been in the way. I always had the impression that Minato fought the Kyuubi only, with the help of Gamabunta. Anyway, those two situations are completely different and incomparable. But it does show how much stronger Minato was to someone like Sasuke. I don't remember hearing about Minato being saved twice when he was fight the 9 tails.

[enmymiguel]

the killer bee waz too strong without the 8tail and i think he is the most powerful guy of the jinchuuriki and i think sasuke need help like from someone like manda that they tell him what to do and stuff

[Gilgy]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You can not possibly be trying to compare a jinchuuriki to a bijuu. Minato and the village fought The Kyuubi, not Naruto. The 8 tail jinchuurii was at the equivalent of Naruto's 3 or 4 tailed state. Minato fought the Nine Tailed Fox Demon, not a jinchuuriki. I'm pretty sure that there is a difference in power. Also, I doubt that the 8 tails is not stronger than the 9 tailed beast. Also, it wasn't specified if Minato received help when he fought against the 9 tails. The Hokage normally doesn't fight unless there is no other alternative. If Minato was the only one that could've beaten the Kyuubi, the other nins would've just been in the way. I always had the impression that Minato fought the Kyuubi only, with the help of Gamabunta. Anyway, those two situations are completely different and incomparable. But it does show how much stronger Minato was to someone like Sasuke. I don't remember hearing about Minato being saved twice when he was fight the 9 tails.

There is. Deidara said that a bijuu cannot use it's full power unless it is under the control of a Jinchuriiki, or something of that sort.

[KonMan]

Not to detract from Sasuke's butt kicking, but wasn't Mr. Host supposed to have eight swords?

[bean]

Not to detract from Sasuke's butt kicking, but wasn't Mr. Host supposed to have eight swords?
his eighth one was the chakra horn clothesline he did on sasuke to bust open his chest.

[makko]

so if naruto controlled QB he'll be able to overcome the MS genjutsu so naruto wont really need to improve his genjutsu. I'd like to see some sort of partnership between naruto and QB just like hachibi and the 8-tails bijuu.

Like i've been saying that might not help. If Naruto can control the 9tail eventually... but so can Madara and Sasuke potentially right? So down the road when this showdown does go down... the 9tail might not be as relevant. Meaning Naruto can be in genjutsu and the 9tail is going to get him out of it... but Madara or Sasuke tell the 9tail not to.

[neomaster121]

If Naruto fight sasuke or mandara especially mandara relying on 9 tails when they surpress the chakra he will be made defencless n weak
thats why senjutsu is so important

imagine naruto 4 tails mode really 9tails in control then mandara comes

Mandara: Hello follow your master
4tail tamed and fight lost even if naruto just went back to normal mode he will be too weak to fight
this is what i believe we'll see happen in this fight
the 8tails guys highly working with his monster now we will see the end effect of it soon
may not be in the same way as mandara controls 9tails but we will se that the 8tails will loose the fight some way or another

[bean]

I got a question for anyone who has read the japanese raw...I know that sometimes the scanlators get some bits wrong, especially onemanga's since they're more focused on pumping it out quickly, but the "since my brother" line got me thinking...did the rapper say my brother or his brother? just wanna check.

[Agrias]

I got a question for anyone who has read the japanese raw...I know that sometimes the scanlators get some bits wrong, especially onemanga's since they're more focused on pumping it out quickly, but the "since my brother" line got me thinking...did the rapper say my brother or his brother? just wanna check.

We have 2 translations up till now.


8T: Heh...No one's dodged number 8 since my brother.




Hachibi: (Huh... Nobody else has managed to avoid my eighth tail since my brother.)

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

There is. Deidara said that a bijuu cannot use it's full power unless it is under the control of a Jinchuriiki, or something of that sort.

Exactly. The jinchuuriki just transformed, so he wasn't fighting with his full power. But Minato fought the 9 tails with its full power.

[chess4]

only way i see team hawk getting outta dis one is if the hachibi shows some compassion, and just leaves them alone. i think madars set this whole fight knowing that team hawk could not win, so sasuke could take his brothers eyes.

SIDENOTE

cant wait till kishi starts with pains assault on konoha

[Gilgy]

Exactly. The jinchuuriki just transformed, so he wasn't fighting with his full power. But Minato fought the 9 tails with its full power.

Huh? You agreed with my post, then outright contradicted it?:2arrow

The idea was, Minato did not fight against Kyuubi's full power, since Kyuubi back then wasn't under the control of a Jinchuriiki....

[chess4]

THE EIGHT TAILS FULLY TRANSFORMED.........only means one thing, when sasuke gets back up with juugo's help, he will summon the new king of snakes....count on it. we have not had a relevant snake since manda, and i think its about time for one.

if sasuke doesnt summon a snake team hawk is through dealing

[Raizen]

Huh? You agreed with my post, then outright contradicted it?:2arrow

The idea was, Minato did not fight against Kyuubi's full power, since Kyuubi back then wasn't under the control of a Jinchuriiki....
No actually only a number of tailed beast are unable to fully control their powers b/c they are stupid. The 9-tails is not only the strongest but the smartest. What Minato fought was the 9-tails at its full power. Even w/ a host, the power would be pretty equivalent to the 9-tails alone IMO. Remember when yamato described jinjuuriki naruto? He said if the tails keep popping out he will be a miniature kuyby. He didn't say stronger than the kuyby but the same, meaning they are both equal in strength

[chidoricurrent]

Hey I was wondering.. what if OrochimaruKabuto-sama suddenly appears from nowhere and kills the 8 tails!?

[Gilgy]

No actually only a number of tailed beast are unable to fully control their powers b/c they are stupid. The 9-tails is not only the strongest but the smartest. What Minato fought was the 9-tails at its full power. Even w/ a host, the power would be pretty equivalent to the 9-tails alone IMO. Remember when yamato described jinjuuriki naruto? He said if the tails keep popping out he will be a miniature kuyby. He didn't say stronger than the kuyby but the same, meaning they are both equal in strength

Now, those are assumptions that are yet to be proven. We have no idea if Kyuubi is indeed the strongest and smartest bijuu. Also, Kyuubi acts in a bloodthirsty manner the same as Shukaku does, so they're basically the same. So, I still think Deidara's comment on bijuus apply even on Kyuubi....

[Boomi]

I agree with everyone who thinks there is no way for sasuke and his team to win this battle.

Now the Question is if Madara knew Sasuke wouldn't stand chance.

The only other possible thing for me is: hachibi let them go an sasuke finally realizes his very own dumbness

[chess4]

THIS MY OPINION.....but i really think sasuke will get the 8 tails eventually. i mean the bad guys have 7 beast and the good guys have only 1. if sasuke gets the 8 tails then that would kinda even things out a bit.

so that leaves 7, i think gaara will eventually get the shakaku back i think he is the only one that fits him. 5 of them will be spread out to the original akatsuki members, leaving 1. hell, maybe sakura will get the 2 tails i could see that

[ichimatsu]

litle bitchi sassuke got punked by the bee 8 tailled sama!! he was almost killed 2 times, for sure the 8 tail and sassuke are not in the same devision !! the 8 tail is more powerfull.

i wonder how can kishi make sassuke up after geting his chest destroyed? shakra heal bones? crazy!! but belive me sassuke will be up and win that's what Mr kishiwant.


it's good news that jinshiriki who control the biju can avoid genjutsu this make the uchua back to the botom of the ninja world!!! naruto is a jishuriki if he control the kyubi he can avoid genjutsu. even if madara can controle the kyubi naruto can help kyubi to avoid control.

after naruto training naruto will go to the old frog ( the frog who made the profecy) to gain his power, so naruto will be with a lot of cool jutsu

[Shiro-kun]

^ Chapter meant that Sasuke is still very weak in the Naruto world or that Hachibi is extremely powerful in the Narutoverse

the former or the latter, it doesnt really matter

[chidoricurrent]

Actually Pein overskill Hachibi, and Also Orochimaru, and also Deidara... and by the way wtf he is a giant daemon, should we call on goku or gohan or some other ssj?

[The Last Uchiha]

he kinda looks like the third monster in shadow of the colossus.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Inspite of almost losing his life twice, Sasuke will eventually pull out a new jutsu that beats the eight tails...just you watch! Be it Susaano or super-homing Amarterasu or Kirin or Instantly_learnt_killer_jutsu or I_sharinganed_you_and_found_your_ultimate_weakness_jutsu or I_beat_you_because_you_were_sick_from_before_jutsu, Sasuke will win the battle. :amuse

Having said that, I really wish that he doesn't win because it would make things look unrealistic and put Sasuke's power level close to Yondaime (still probably lower than Yondaime). But, going by previous precedent of Sasuke's fights in second half of manga, Sasuke will win the battle...eventually.

Hoping for Kishimoto to prove my prediction wrong...

[SquallLeonheart]

I've been a lurker for a while on this forum, so i thought i'd join the discussion. The last few chapters have been quite interesting. Next chapter will be interesting to see what a true jinchiruki can do and give us a slight insight into the potential of naruto. Team Hawk seems to be in a dire situation, 8 tails seems to be getting rather pissed off and unleashed his full form. Although im still confused as to how the other 2 members of Hawk can hold him off while Juugo attempts to patch up Sasuke unless its going to be like Karins ability i.e. almost instantaneous regeneration.

The kyuubi seems slightly different to the other bijuus, although deidera mentioned that a bijuu is weaker without its jinchiruki counterpart, but the two bijuus we've seen most seem to have some sort of personality(Shukaku and QB). Why wouldn't these personalities be exhibited when they were not trapped in their host. The QB seems to be a very sinister being and seems to be able to make rational decisions so i'm assuming his potential(against minato) is on par with what naruto can achieve if he can take full control of the QB. Which eventually with senjutsu should make him able to surpass his father.

Sasuke seemed rather fatigued after using MS abilities, I wonder if Itachi had a similar problem when he first used his. We have to take into account Itachi's had his MS for a couple of years before encountering kakashi. It seems that the MS abilities deplete the uchihas chakra ridiculously. So i highly doubt Sasuke could ever use all six( if he has six) of his MS abilities at once, if Sasuke gets a bijuu hes going to be spamming his MS abilities which would be overkill. I'm assuming (unless Juugo can replenish chakra) that Sasuke can pull off one more MS ability i.e. Ameteratsu (not sure if thats how u spell it) or his own MS ninjutsu. Can ameteratsu burn chakra, we've seen it been fire but the bijuus chakra seems to be on whole another level.

Can't wait for next week chapters and pains next fight is going to be insane.

[USC Trojans]

he kinda looks like the third monster in shadow of the colossus.

its the exact same beast that Pantyhose Taro turns into in Ranma after he went back to the springs and added tentacles to his original bull form.

[redhairSH]

naruto seems to have like the least control over his beast, gaara, the 2 tails host, and even the 8 tails host can like completely take the form of the beast, but naruto cant even get 4 tails without losing control, and if he got anymore it seems like just the intensity itself would kill him

[MaydayParade]

What is the heck is 8-tails? Is there any name for such a creature as shown in the page?.:s

Actually there is. It's called the Ushi-oni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi-oni).

[Andonan]

Well I reckon that Sasuke will win eventually, Madara said it we know it will happen is the way I see it.


BUT I think technically this fight is more stuffed than all of Sasuke other fights, people keep claiming Sasuke wins of a technicality, and seriously this fight IS THE BIGGEST TECHNICALITY EVER. Basically it's currently Hacibi 2 Sasuke 0, And Sasuke would be dead two times over now if it hadn't been for Karin and now Juungo, I swear it's the cheapest load of shit ever. Now when Naruto and Sasuke fight Naruto will be like HA I KILLED YOU BITCH, and Sasuke will be like No, OI HAWK GET YOUR ASS"S OVER HERE AND HEAL ME FROM DEATH!!!

[sasukekunms]

maybe sasuke will summon some creature? snake? theres no way he can beat the 8 tails in that form. also i thought only sharingan users can break tsukuyomi?
actually instead of a summon maybe susanno?

[Edome]

naruto seems to have like the least control over his beast, gaara, the 2 tails host, and even the 8 tails host can like completely take the form of the beast, but naruto cant even get 4 tails without losing control, and if he got anymore it seems like just the intensity itself would kill him

That's basically because the Kyuubi is much more powerful than any of the other Bijuu. That and naruto is a bit of a dunce. Given that people are training him though, I'm sure he'll get it.

- I'm a bit disappointed with where this is going to be honest. This is plot-no-jutsu at it's finest (or worst, depending on how you look at things). Sasuke should be dead, as should all of hawk. They can't do crap to the 8 tails. Hell, even Sasuke's lucky Tsukyomi barely did anything to him, and that's one of the sharingan's most powerful attacks.

This is like Itachi all over again, where it's not even close to a good fight, and it's almost entirely "hah I got you!" "no you didn't!" "hah I got you this time!" "nuh uh!" "this time for sure!" "sorry, I'm eating my teamm8s"... talk about lame. I could see this being a joke, but not a serious part of the story (which it's written like).

Basically, we know that something incredibly lame is going to end up happening. Either sasuke is going to win in the most rediculous manner possible, or someone is going to show up out of nowhere to beat the 8 tails for him.

My guess, is that Sasuke "whoops! I have the mangekyou mastered now!" gains some rediculous power that he pulls out of his @&*% somewhere along the lines of the fight.

[Spike Spiegal]

I think Madara and Kisame will come and save Sasuke and freinds showing that he will need EMS to have a chance against opponents of this calibur...I just dont see how Sasuke and co. can defeat a monster who has bested them twice and is only getting stronger...it would be impossible at this point to think that Sasuke can pull out some jutsu or strategy that can defeat the 8 tails without seeming too ridiculous...i cant even see them being able to flee at this point unless there are sacrifices or the Jinchuriki allows them to...

[Csdabest]

People are forgetting this is not Sasuke vs Hachibi. This is Taka vs Hachibi. It clear Sasuke can't beat this guy on his own. I doubt really anyone can. Sasuke biggest problem was being a loner and not being a teamplayer. Of Course he needs his team to help him out. Alot of other characters needed their asses saved by outside help.

But Taka will win this fight.

[Shiro-kun]

^Of course Taka is going to win this fight eventually, but as you said Sasuke isnt being a teamplayer and they're getting there asses kick ...so there losing this fight so far

[Silver_Archer]

I see no indication of Sasuke not being a team player. In the previous chapter, he , suigetsu and juugo coordinated their attack attempts, but to no avail. Then there was Juugo tossing Sasuke towards the Hachibi. I think we've seen plenty of examples of team play.

[Eddy01741]

Yep, this is all a huge plot-no jutsu. It's really obvious by now that Sasuke and taka will win, it's rediculous that Kishi makes it so Sasuke can win against such a powerful opponent. I just hope this fight ends soon, since we already pretty much know the victor, get on with it and get to more interesting stuff.

[cgloki]

I am going to go ahead and put this on the table:

Sasuke is weak because Oro is no longer in his body. He no longer has the cursed seal to fall back on and it shows. I hope the hachibi puts them in their place.

[Csdabest]

I laugh If Juugo in Sasuke body makes sasuke faster, and stronger and allows him to draw more chakra.

[bean]

it would be awesome if it gave him CS powers without any side effects

[Spike Spiegal]

I dont think any teamwork is going to help them at this point, he is fully transformed, i doubt anything Juugo,Karin and Suigetsu can do will be of any effect to the 8 tails... only crazy overpowered Ms jutsus will save them now...whether it be from Sasuke or Madara thats the only way theyre gonna walk away from this, which is a shame...as it stands, the eight tails SHOULD win this match, hands down...

[HPTR Fangirl]

The only support he got from the village sadly was probably a few minutes of time. If Minato was in this fight against either of these opponents. They would both likely be dead already. He would give Hachibi time to release. And Taka would have probably lost a member before they ever attacked.

This chapter did seem very short. I was surprised when Hachibi opened up Sasuke's chest though. Good chapter but someone will probably intervene. I don't really know how kishi is going to turn this fight in Taka's favor. But we saw Madara take down a bijuu fairly easy does this transformation create an opportunity for that. Except that was a bijuu not a jinchuuriki.

Umm... can anyone tell me in which chapter it's shown Madara can easily control a bijuu. I'm currently in vol 30 of Naruto manga (current in my area), and then started reading 411 onwards. So I'm asking this.

Thanks in advance:D

[Csdabest]

Its somewhere between vol 30 and 411. But i think you might find it around 366+ i beleive.

[bean]

Umm... can anyone tell me in which chapter it's shown Madara can easily control a bijuu. I'm currently in vol 30 of Naruto manga (current in my area), and then started reading 411 onwards. So I'm asking this.

Thanks in advance:D
we only know he can control the kyuubi through the MS...happened during the itachi vs sasuke fight...oh yeah, and visual proof:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

[Jimmothy]

we only know he can control the kyuubi through the MS...happened during the itachi vs sasuke fight...oh yeah, and visual proof:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

You can see it in the Kyuubi's eyes.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/01-02/

[Montai]

I wish Sasuke would use more of his Fire Style Jutsu. FIRE STYLE: FIRE BALL JUTSU!!!!

[5sealing]

we only know he can control the kyuubi through the MS...happened during the itachi vs sasuke fight...oh yeah, and visual proof:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

hmm, I wonder how 1st hokage was able to counter EMS genjutsu.

Sasuke needs to enter the host's mind just like he did with Naruto and somehow seal the hachibi while distracting the physical host long enough.

[Csdabest]

What would you do if everything warps back to the beginning of the fight. And its Just Sasuke using his sharingan to see into the future. Lmao

[poopoomaru]

it would be awesome if it gave him CS powers without any side effects

lol No, that would be the cheapest thing to happen to the manga since it was revealed that the Sharingan can take complete control of the Kyuubi.

I think this all pulls into the fact that back when he first appeared in Part 2, Sasuke was telling the truth when he said that neither he nor Orochimaru could kill Orochimaru. This I believe is what he was talking about. Minus all of the boosts that Orochimaru was giving him actually is alot weaker. How much so we will have to wait and see.

One thing I can say with a great deal of certainty though is that Sasuke is alot less versatile then he used to be. I have already seen several situations where snake summoning would have been a huge help and yet we have seen none of it. If the loss of the curse seal took even that much from him then he is down a hugeee portion of what has made him so impressive. Snakes were perfect for defensive and support maneuvers, his seal gave him the ability to fly and use his arms as a shield. He has drastically less effective chakra at his disposal, as well as being without any particularly impressive amount of physical strength that the Seal gave him in both forms. All he has now are his incredibly powerful MS abilities. He has effectively become alot like Naruto, he is just a walking nuke without any protection, and just like Naruto he is paying the price for this lack of diverse abilities.

[Sentou Ryoku]

I hope Kishimoto doesn't let Sasuke/Taka/Akatsuki win against the 8tails by throwing more characters at 8T. Kisame's still hanging around doing nothing so he can still help out (please please please no). Or, worse, Tobi/Madara can show up out of nowhere, beat 8T for Sasuke, and be all like 'That's how I roll, bitch'.

[avantasian]

I dont think any other Akatsuki member will interfear!
Team Hawk has to do this on their own!If they fail and retreat, so be it!
Deidara failed to capture Naruto too!no one interfeared!And Madara was around too!

They have to do this one on their own to prove themselfs to Madara!

[Marq]

What would you do if everything warps back to the beginning of the fight. And its Just Sasuke using his sharingan to see into the future. Lmao

Just add to the list of HAX sharingan moves. Seriously, not the best way to do it and it just further fuel people to call Kishi a sasuke lover.. again and again..

[gold349]

I dont think any other Akatsuki member will interfear!
Team Hawk has to do this on their own!If they fail and retreat, so be it!
Deidara failed to capture Naruto too!no one interfeared!And Madara was around too!

They have to do this one on their own to prove themselfs to Madara!


agreed, its not just something Saske has to prove to Madara but himself too, this is a hurdle he has to jump, if he can not do this he may as well forget about killing uchiha madara.

[imshag]

There are only 2 questions i want an answer on:

1. How will Hawk crew survive this with 8th-tails in full bijuu mode while they are all worn out and damaged?

2. Who is the 8th-tails older brother!?


I seriously saw this comming. Hawk will lose their first battle against the 8th-tails.Then they gonna back up to recover, rethink the battle and come up with a strategy against the "rapper" and ofcouse they will win the 2nd fight. Thanks for prolonging this nonsense over 10more chapters kishi.

It´s like that OR SOMEONE has to/will interefere, otherwise......i see dead people.

[frankwhite4523]

No my question is, does Suigetsu have a heart?

a bigger ? is does he have a jutsu?
[hr]
i'm starting to think all the tailed beast are related and the 8tails is talking about the nine tails as his brother, that dodged his attacks in the past i know it's way out in left field but that's how kishi been playing it so far.
[hr]
i'm starting to think all the tailed beast are related and the 8tails is talking about the nine tails as his brother, that dodged his attacks in the past i know it's way out in left field but that's how kishi been playing it so far.

[avantasian]

i'm starting to think all the tailed beast are related and the 8tails is talking about the nine tails as his brother, that dodged his attacks in the past i know it's way out in left field but that's how kishi been playing it so far.

Thats a very nice idea/theory you came up with! I like it, but i dont think its gonna be like this!
Besides 8T said it when he was in control!It wasnt the Bijuu speaking. But i would like it if the bijjus had bonds with each other!After all the manga is about bonds...

[Andonan]

I just really hope that Naruto can gain the same control with the QB as the 8tail. I want to know more about how they achieved this connection, and why does the QB insist on being a burden to Naruto than help, how did the others tame their bijuu's......

[frankwhite4523]

Yeah, and personally, I think Mr Host and Naruto would somehow cross paths and Naruto would learn how to control Kyuubi from him, either through training from him or another. Whatever it is, I hope Mr Host lives up to the hype he's getting now. Rock on Mr Host!

This will never happen,naruto has to learn something on his own so can everyone stop with the naruto and the 8tails team-up please
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Like i've been saying that might not help. If Naruto can control the 9tail eventually... but so can Madara and Sasuke potentially right? So down the road when this showdown does go down... the 9tail might not be as relevant. Meaning Naruto can be in genjutsu and the 9tail is going to get him out of it... but Madara or Sasuke tell the 9tail not to.

How dumb does that sound, if if involves naruto's life the nine-tails is not going to be put in a genjutsu because if naruto dies so does it,so the showdown will be a fight with their jutsu's they came up with on their own!

[avantasian]

Well for the QB to succumb to Naruto first Naruto has to gain its respect! And that can happen only through a quarrel.
The requests of assistance came first, then the fighting (we see this now) and finally the acknowledgement will come!
When the QB look at Naruto as a worthy shinobi to be sealed in then the mutual respect will come!

I mean look at this black dude!His skills are overwealming without using the 8T at all! Thats the process Naruto is going through now! QB must be an emergency pump up not something to rely on!
[hr]

I just really hope that Naruto can gain the same control with the QB as the 8tail. I want to know more about how they achieved this connection, and why does the QB insist on being a burden to Naruto than help, how did the others tame their bijuu's......

When did QB said it was a burden for Naruto?dont remember that!
Can you ref please?

[Ary]

Hye guys,

well about 414 chapter predictions i got sumthing to say,i think sasuke going to transform to his cursed seal mode again.and mybe we going to see sasuke 3rd level cursed seal mode.never heard of the 3rd level cursed seal mode?do you guys remember when sasuke fought deidara?he wings started to grow and to grow some spikes but unfortunately deidara manage to stop sasuke form being evolve to another level.what i said is just a "mybe".back to the 414 predictions,theHachibi jinchuuriki will unleash its true power and the hawk team will be fight for their life.and sasuke will be forced to use his full power mangekyou sharingan.it will be a hell of fight

[chidoricurrent]

I dont think any other Akatsuki member will interfear!
Team Hawk has to do this on their own!If they fail and retreat, so be it!
Deidara failed to capture Naruto too!no one interfeared!And Madara was around too!

They have to do this one on their own to prove themselfs to Madara!

You'r reasoning in such linear line. Even if no one did come when deidara failed, it doesnt mean no one will come help sasuke here.
And this is nonsense anyway, kakashi and naruto were just hunting for gaara corpse

[liangbi]

sasuke can win if he can use susano! he should be able to use it too

[neomaster121]

Does anyone think this might just be the fight he was told to give team hawk if So then Kishi might have just recently planned the fight n on a whim added the bother bit so he could expand on this later on after sasuke and his team somehow win

Cause i think that after this sasukes year is over and it will move onto kakashi and kakashi's year really begins with the pein attack in which the 5th will die. Sakura grown up then

then once the big news happens to kakashi, he becomes hokage then sakura year begins
then when sakura year ends
Naruto comes back to find his village in ruin and his grandma (face it thats how he saw it grand pa n ma) both killed by pein

Naruto gets the main focus again

[Paradoxicon]

Does anyone think this might just be the fight he was told to give team hawk if So then Kishi might have just recently planned the fight n on a whim added the bother bit so he could expand on this later on after sasuke and his team somehow win

Cause i think that after this sasukes year is over and it will move onto kakashi and kakashi's year really begins with the pein attack in which the 5th will die. Sakura grown up then

then once the big news happens to kakashi, he becomes hokage then sakura year begins
then when sakura year ends
Naruto comes back to find his village in ruin and his grandma (face it thats how he saw it grand pa n ma) both killed by pein

Naruto gets the main focus again

there won't be a Kakashi or sakura year. If anything there will be a year of Naruto after a felt 3 years of Sasuke. And then the manga will probably be finished.

[avantasian]

You'r reasoning in such linear line. Even if no one did come when deidara failed, it doesnt mean no one will come help sasuke here.
And this is nonsense anyway, kakashi and naruto were just hunting for gaara corpse

Thats not linear! In order for characters to advance they have to go through an ordeal!
If someone cames to save the day noone & nothing will progress!
What i am saying is that there is no hurry to capture the 8T. If they fail they can always go back and try again! There are already 4 akatsuki members there!More than enough, I dont think the whole organization will go there to caprute 1 jinchuriki.
Besides Madara guaranteed for Sasuke, he is not gonna turn around and go help him next thing you know!Pein and Konan are out of the question and that leaves Kisame and Zetsu!

Zetsu who never fights or interfears and Kisame who Suigetsu rather die first that accept his help!

Who do you think will go?

[neomaster121]

there won't be a Kakashi or sakura year. If anything there will be a year of Naruto after a felt 3 years of Sasuke. And then the manga will probably be finished.

um im talking about the interview where kishi says this year will be mainly sasuke
then kakashi
the sakura
in which he also says that kakashi will have a big surprise
also sakura will have to grow up

so their will be kakashi n sakura this year

[chidoricurrent]

Thats not linear! In order for characters to advance they have to go through an ordeal!
If someone cames to save the day noone & nothing will progress!
What i am saying is that there is no hurry to capture the 8T. If they fail they can always go back and try again! There are already 4 akatsuki members there!More than enough, I dont think the whole organization will go there to caprute 1 jinchuriki.
Besides Madara guaranteed for Sasuke, he is not gonna turn around and go help him next thing you know!Pein and Konan are out of the question and that leaves Kisame and Zetsu!

Zetsu who never fights or interfears and Kisame who Suigetsu rather die first that accept his help!

Who do you think will go?

First. Suigetsu he's not that stupid. He'd rather get help instead of dying.

Anyway, I don't really know, but...
Yeah, I did read too that Madara guaranteed for Sasuke, I don't think he was lying. Still.. when u have no chance it's okay if you retreat/got helped if you just played all your cards as best as u can did.
I dont know, maybe madara, zetsu or kisame, maybe orochimaru. Or maybe sasuke will die :\ Or he is using kiririn, or susano'o..

I still don't realize why they just send them alone if the bijuu was that powerful, what is the usefulness to leave kisame and zetsu doing nothing? they should be an exceptional pair too, kisame is way skilled (he was itachi partner), and zetsu is a lot of interesting.

[avantasian]

Cause i think that after this sasukes year is over and it will move onto kakashi and kakashi's year really begins with the pein attack in which the 5th will die. Sakura grown up then

then once the big news happens to kakashi, he becomes hokage then sakura year begins


I dont know why people insist on kakashi becoming Hokage. Yes it is possible and he is definatelly Hokage material.
But Kishi already told us through Konohamaru that Naruto will be the 6th.
Besides the hokage seat has a lineage pattern.

1st,2nd -> Tsunade
3rd -> Konohamaru as the 7th
4th -> Naruto

Now you can tell me konohamaru is a kid and says whatever he wants but one thing Kishi has shown us is that when a brat sets a goal he will definatelly achieve it in the future!

bottomline, personally i dont think Kakashi will ever be Hokage.....i might be wrong but i dont see it!
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First. Suigetsu he's not that stupid. He'd rather get help instead of dying.

Anyway, I don't really know, but...
Yeah, I did read too that Madara guaranteed for Sasuke, I don't think he was lying. Still.. when u have no chance it's okay if you retreat/got helped if you just played all your cards as best as u can did.
I dont know, maybe madara, zetsu or kisame, maybe orochimaru. Or maybe sasuke will die :\ Or he is using kiririn, or susano'o..

I still don't realize why they just send them alone if the bijuu was that powerful, what is the usefulness to leave kisame and zetsu doing nothing? they should be an exceptional pair too, kisame is way skilled (he was itachi partner), and zetsu is a lot of interesting.

by orochimaru, do you mean Kabuto?

[Silver_Archer]

If I am not mistaken, only the anime has that line where Konohomaru says naruto will be the 6th and he'll be the 7th, the manga did not.

[neomaster121]

I dont know why people insist on kakashi becoming Hokage. Yes it is possible and he is definatelly Hokage material.
But Kishi already told us through Konohamaru that Naruto will be the 6th.
Besides the hokage seat has a lineage pattern.

1st,2nd -> Tsunade
3rd -> Konohamaru as the 7th
4th -> Naruto

Now you can tell me konohamaru is a kid and says whatever he wants but one thing Kishi has shown us is that when a brat sets a goal he will definatelly achieve it in the future!

bottomline, personally i dont think Kakashi will ever be Hokage.....i might be wrong but i dont see it!
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by orochimaru, do you mean Kabuto?

if the 5th dies in peins attack kakashi willb become hokage
unless he turns the offer down

[avantasian]

If I am not mistaken, only the anime has that line where Konohomaru says naruto will be the 6th and he'll be the 7th, the manga did not.

Really?i thought it was in the manga too! I started reading the manga from Sasoris fight and on....
Even so i dont think the producers would take the liberty of such a heavy statement without Kishis concent!

[sabret00the]

The thing i find most interesting about this chapter, is the fact that it's been revealed that it's possible to control and take ownership of your bijuu thus meaning that Naruto will have to learn how to defeat the Kyuubi.

[gold349]

A lot of people are making a big thing out of hachibi brother?, only time will tell if the revelation is important or not.

Hachibi isn't a kage presumably their is some one stronger than him in his village, which sounds real bizarre he should be like the ultimate in fighting weapon as a shinobi but it could be his brother. Which makes me think that even with all this power there may be a major down side, he has hinted at, that there is a possibility of dodging/deflecting his attacks and Saske I think got onto the gist of it that Mr Host attacks in straight lines. His full transformation looks awesome and insanely strong, a demon, this is going to turn into monster fighting monster. Takka at moment, they stand little to no chance this will be the testing moment for them as a team and will make or brake Saske.

[neomaster121]

Really?i thought it was in the manga too! I started reading the manga from Sasoris fight and on....
Even so i dont think the producers would take the liberty of such a heavy statement without Kishis concent!

lol the producers would do alot of crap without kishi concent
look at the latest fillers


The thing i find most interesting about this chapter, is the fact that it's been revealed that it's possible to control and take ownership of your bijuu thus meaning that Naruto will have to learn how to defeat the Kyuubi.

naruto defeats it but we already seen that uchias can surpress his monster
if thats the case if Naruto did what this 8tails guys doing uchias would control him like a puppet

also the sealing that the 4th did was completely different to normal sealling methods so maybe it wasn't minatos wish for naruto to transform like the 8tails did

[sabret00the]

lol the producers would do alot of crap without kishi concent
look at the latest fillers



naruto defeats it but we already seen that uchias can surpress his monster
if thats the case if Naruto did what this 8tails guys doing uchias would control him like a puppet

also the sealing that the 4th did was completely different to normal sealling methods so maybe it wasn't minatos wish for naruto to transform like the 8tails did
Naruto wouldn't go nine tails anyway. The stronger he gets the less he's required to turn nine tails. I believe that the eight tails will fall quickly after shifting to the power of his bijuu. But in regards to Naruto, i do believe that having someone to break genjutsu will serve him well and ultimately level the playing field against genjutsu types.

Also, i too recall Konahamaru saying he'll be the seventh.

[avantasian]

lol the producers would do alot of crap without kishi concent
look at the latest fillers


LOL!:D i know!
The main thing about fillers is that they dont affect the main storyline at all!
After they finish its like they never happened.
But that statement is different!it had a direct connection to the storyline progression!

[xcherichix]

I think eventually Naruto will be able to control the kyuubi, he is the "child of prophecy" after all, it's probably what Jaraiya had planned for him. In Naruto Part 1 Jaraiya taught Naruto how to use the fox's power to summon the toad. And now, he is getting trained with toad oil. This will probably help him control the kyuubi. I think he might become a hokage in training if Tsunade does die.

[avantasian]

I think eventually Naruto will be able to control the kyuubi, he is the "child of prophecy" after all, it's probably what Jaraiya had planned for him. In Naruto Part 1 Jaraiya taught Naruto how to use the fox's power to summon the toad. And now, he is getting trained with toad oil. This will probably help him control the kyuubi. I think he might become a hokage in training if Tsunade does die.

I agree! Kakashi has arleady admitted that Naruto has surpassed him, and he said that after aquiring his MS!
After the Senjutsu training Naruto will be like a beast! He is going from genin straight to Hokage.

[xcherichix]

Yeah, I can imagine Naruto returning after training with a whole new skill. I get the feeling he might look a little different when he returns, maybe his hair will be a little longer, more like the Yondaime's. Like when Sasuke came back after a month's training with a new style in part 1.

[neomaster121]

I agree! Kakashi has arleady admitted that Naruto has surpassed him, and he said that after aquiring his MS!
After the Senjutsu training Naruto will be like a beast! He is going from genin straight to Hokage.

thats the problem tho
i don't believe naruto has surpassed kakashi
he only has 1 jutsu that does and with naruto vs kakashi fighting styles kakashi wouldn't loose

but after senjutsu (thats if they teach him all aspects including using them in jutsus and how to increase power) then how long will this take
to me to learn all aspects would need a time skip

durign this time skip kakashi could become hokage
then when he does see or knows that naruto is far above him (if naruto fully masters senjutsu training as i think he will) then whats to say kakashi wonn't step down just as the 3rd did for the 4th

imagine a time skip of like 3/5 years
naruto comes back at 18 or 21
naruto would come back looking great looking more like minato
i can imagine kakashi just looking thinking he was seeing his old mentor again that be awsome

[avantasian]

thats the problem tho
i don't believe naruto has surpassed kakashi
he only has 1 jutsu that does and with naruto vs kakashi fighting styles kakashi wouldn't loose

but after senjutsu (thats if they teach him all aspects including using them in jutsus and how to increase power) then how long will this take
to me to learn all aspects would need a time skip

durign this time skip kakashi could become hokage
then when he does see or knows that naruto is far above him (if naruto fully masters senjutsu training as i think he will) then whats to say kakashi wonn't step down just as the 3rd did for the 4th

imagine a time skip of like 3/5 years
naruto comes back at 18 or 21
naruto would come back looking great looking more like minato
i can imagine kakashi just looking thinking he was seeing his old mentor again that be awsome

Nice picture there!:eyeroll:D
I can see it in my mind!And Naruto will be like when he was telling to Konohamaru he is not a kid anymore at the begining of shippuuden.

A very big advantage Naruto has over Sharingan (that he hasnt really used against it yet) is his Kage Bushin. Bushins are not affected by Genjutsu!
Naruto VS Kakashi.....i see it ending in a draw at this moment!

[Remedy]

Have anyone noticed that the left ox's horn is broken....?

[avantasian]

Have anyone noticed that the left ox's horn is broken....?

...for breaking the designs symmetry i guess,:p

[Jspot]

...for breaking the designs symmetry i guess,:p

Or maybe his older brother did more than just dodge his attacks and was all like, "I need some bling." *slice*

[Remedy]

I think the same. Maybe his brother broke it. It's not casuality...
I try to make a prediction: maybe the 8-tails' brother is a new character being able to help Naruto to control his bijuu. I think Sasuke will lose and go back to Madara, finally accepting Itachi's eyes. However Sasuke will save himself by Itachi's powers...

[Umbra Wolf]

ery godd chapter. It seems clear that Susasuke's Ms is indeed Itachi's. He defintely uses Tsukuyomi on page 9. We have yet to see unique jutsus but maybe he's holding back. Or maybe they have the same techniques because they are brothers? I stop with therandom Sharingan theories there is way too much speculation around and unknown factors involved.

Hachibi and his brother is interesting. Sasuke MUST defeat Hachibi even if it's with help of Madara anything else wouldn't fit into the plot IMO.
But Hachibi's brother can enrich the plot e.g. reflecting Sasuke's relationship with Itachi or as a mentor for Naruto like it was said previously later on because Hachibi did master his beast and I guess it was hard regarding that this is the second strongest beast and taming the Kyubi won't be easily either.

To honor Sasuke's achievement: Taka (mainly Sasuke) was able to drag Hachibi to fully release the eight tailes which is definetly his most powerful form and his last resort.
We have yet to see if the eight tales has a special abillity o "just" an enormous chakra pool.

[Paradoxicon]

um im talking about the interview where kishi says this year will be mainly sasuke
then kakashi
the sakura
in which he also says that kakashi will have a big surprise
also sakura will have to grow up

so their will be kakashi n sakura this year


I know, but it's hard to believe that "the year of kakashi and Sakura" will be as much about them as the year of Sasuke was about Sasuke, you know with 3-4 major fights, gaining lots of ridiculous jutsus and so on. Ofc there will be some focus on them but nothing that lasts for more than one major fight or a dramatic event in the stoy line (Kakashi as Hokage, Tsunade dying or whatever)

[avantasian]

IMO Hacibi is getting cocky and arrogant and wants to show off!
There was no need to fully transform! He was owning them from b4 he even grows any tails!
And this manga/anime rule is unbroken!Whoever power ups first will loose in the end?!

[makko]

Yep, this is all a huge plot-no jutsu. It's really obvious by now that Sasuke and taka will win, it's rediculous that Kishi makes it so Sasuke can win against such a powerful opponent. I just hope this fight ends soon, since we already pretty much know the victor, get on with it and get to more interesting stuff.

Be easy there... by all fairness... Naruto beat Kazuzu! A man that fought the 1st hokage and survived! Naruto has won just as many fights that seem too tough for him. The will of these two characters Naruto/Sasuke has been shaping the Manga for years now. We should all get use to it, no?
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IMO Hacibi is getting cocky and arrogant and wants to show off!
There was no need to fully transform! He was owning them from b4 he even grows any tails!
And this manga/anime rule is unbroken!Whoever power ups first will loose in the end?!

Yea that could probably follow suite. Its not just the Manga though. Its life mang... "never bring your queen out early" - chess. yaaa know...

[HaizaraRaita]

Honestly I am SO BORED withthis fight. Its full of stupid abilities, people not living up to potential(Suigetsu:mad), and black stereotypes.

The only good thing is that it looks like the Heaven Curse mark is coming back. Which means the badass CS2 Sasuke design:p.

[neomaster121]

IMO Hacibi is getting cocky and arrogant and wants to show off!
There was no need to fully transform! He was owning them from b4 he even grows any tails!
And this manga/anime rule is unbroken!Whoever power ups first will loose in the end?!

yea he has brought out what seems like the final trump card and so its sasukes time to bring out all his cards or hes dieing

[Devil-buster]

Great chapter.....I love any chapter that shows sasuke getting owned....Infact the last couple of chapters have been great...lmao....
But I'm liking this hachibi guy better and better...he seems to be a kage level ninja....and he has complete control over his bijju....for someone to break a mankekyou level genjutsu....amazing.....and look at the size of that bijju......humongous......I would be really pissed if kishi pulls somethin out of his ass to let sasuke win.....cause so far he has been owned....more that in any of his other fights.....I would rather have someone like madara come save him....

A village as strong as konoha couldnt stop a bijju without its kage sacrificing himself....and kyubi shouldn't be that much stronger than the hachibi...so I would be pissed if one man defeat it....