Naruto Volume 45 (Ch. 413-422) Discussion

[Strider's♥Death]

I don't think all 9 are required
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/238/18-19/

"IF we include the kyuubi..."

sounds like the kyuubi is optional.

lol wow I have no idea how u caught that, either u were reading the manga and u just happened to be at the right page when we were talking about this or u made a mental not on it a long time ago. Either way , nice find dude, he says if like the kyuubi is just optional. Hmmmm . Who knows what are the full recomindations for this statue , I cant wait till they fully describe it.

[Fortisdiablos]

Okay, i'm utterly confused.:blink. What do you all mean by "4:20"?

Haha...look it up. You may be pleasantly surprised or offended; it depends on you.

[shinobi]

Pain isn't the Kind of guy who'll give up, he's a stubborn character who won't rest until he gets what he wants. And if, this "God", thinks that this Statue's power is necessary for him to acquire in order to achieve world domination, then I'm afraid he'll hunt every last remaining Bijuus himself he has to...

Considering the Fact that they've spent and waited patiently at least 15 years ( It was 15 years ago that the Bijuus were sealed in they're hosts ), to gather all the Bijuus, to then see the remaining members say that they don't need its power anymore after ALL the trouble they went through? For me its very much unlikely strider.

Naruto will surely defeat Pain, but he might have some trouble when the "Real one" shows up. I don't know for you but I want that beast awaken at full power. And its made clear in the manga (at least for me)that the Statue needs all Bijuus sealed inside it and in the right order for it to awaken. That's my thoughts on it :amuse

I thought it's only that QB must be sealed last for the balance, as for the others it doesn't matter which order they seal them.

[Strider's♥Death]

Pain isn't the Kind of guy who'll give up, he's a stubborn character who won't rest until he gets what he wants. And if, this "God", thinks that this Statue's power is necessary for him to acquire in order to achieve world domination, then I'm afraid he'll hunt every last remaining Bijuus himself he has to...

Considering the Fact that they've spent and waited patiently at least 15 years ( It was 15 years ago that the Bijuus were sealed in they're hosts ), to gather all the Bijuus, to then see the remaining members say that they don't need its power anymore after ALL the trouble they went through? For me its very much unlikely strider.

Naruto will surely defeat Pain, but he might have some trouble when the "Real one" shows up. I don't know for you but I want that beast awaken at full power. And its made clear in the manga (at least for me)that the Statue needs all Bijuus sealed inside it and in the right order for it to awaken. That's my thoughts on it :amuse

Im not saying that they will stop their capture of bijuus volunterally im saying that they might have to, they wont want to but they will have to, thus If that were the case Im sure Pain wont go bananas as I said over a statue cus im sure he has other plans or maybe this whole akatsuki thing is just building for an even greater plot.

Point is , naruto wont lose kyuubi forever, I dont think they will get all bijuus for the statue and they will just use what they already have. We will see the statue activated but i dont think it will have the tails in it....unless they can get the one sealed with minato. This all comes down to whos gonna die. Especially towards 8 tails, does he seem like a character thats going to die??? EH who knows

[The Adamant Dragon]

I thought it's only that QB must be sealed last for the balance, as for the others it doesn't matter which order they seal them.


Maybe I should've said it like that but that's what I meant when I said in the right order. Since we all know that Kyubbi needs to be sealed last, didn't felt the need to specify it that way. The order is that they must sel the Kyubbi last :amuse

[Muhbaer]

nice chapter indeed.
Some people said that they saw konan summoned. but i see a dark something that could be part of akatsuki robe. there are also just 6 shadows scattering.

I think I realised something about pains ability to revive dead realms.
If the dead body is taken away, then maybe pain is not able to revive it, otherwise would the realm killed by the j-man barrier be revived so that the frog could not take it to konoha, wouldn't it? - or was it just too damaged by the barrier?(no legs i guess)

about that konan yahiko nagato thing. i don't really see through this, guess we don't have enough infos about what happened after j-man left to call konan the true pain or nagato or yahiko.

that byakugan ability was very nice. also the infiltration tactic. wonder what happens in the next chapt.

keep your eyes open
Muh

[The Adamant Dragon]

Im not saying that they will stop their capture of bijuus volunterally im saying that they might have to, they wont want to but they will have to, thus If that were the case Im sure Pain wont go bananas as I said over a statue cus im sure he has other plans or maybe this whole akatsuki thing is just building for an even greater plot.

Point is , naruto wont lose kyuubi forever, I dont think they will get all bijuus for the statue and they will just use what they already have. We will see the statue activated but i dont think it will have the tails in it....unless they can get the one sealed with minato. This all comes down to whos gonna die. Especially towards 8 tails, does he seem like a character thats going to die??? EH who knows


hmm, Let's see how Kishimoto will play his cards then.

Though I never said he'd lose it forever. I got a theory/analizise on the matter but its too far-fetched, so we'll just have to wait and see if Naruto will/might lose the Kyubbi at some point or not.

[shamoo]

i predict that since they've made it a point several times to point out that the kyubi seal separates the kyubi's chakra... naruto will eventually be captured and chakra extracted but they'll only get 1 part of it by mistake.

as for the next couple chapters, naruto will beat pain but the real one will regroup with akatsuki and they will discuss their recent failures.

[Shadowthrone]

no the exact thing is that once she activate the jutsu..she cant be killed in battle!! in other words she become temporarily more immortal than even hidan but with lots more risc to it (she heals faster than she can be killed)

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/169/16/

i doubt she can reattach her head after its being cut off like hidan's

High speed regeneration /= immortality

She s definitely not immune to instant death strike like having her heart dugged out or head cut off.

[shinobi]

Maybe I should've said it like that but that's what I meant when I said in the right order. Since we all know that Kyubbi needs to be sealed last, didn't felt the need to specify it that way. The order is that they must sel the Kyubbi last :amuse

oooopss :p . well then,I was wondering if it's possible to activate the statue with the only current 7 bijuu too, without QB or even hachibi, of course it will be less powerful, but still the power of 7 bijuu must be terrifying, coz I want to see this thing working too, the page that b e a n posted showed they might not need QB, but I'm thinking about hachibi too. I agree that kishi can pull any kind of tricks out of thin air to make someone survive, or bring him from the dead( so far we had shodaimi,nidaime, perhaps oro, Gaara, pein"yahiko at the very least" and can't wait for the next! guess the theory about resurrecting Minato isn't impossible), but to think naruto will lose QB for any reason doesn't sound cool. I really want him to have the same kind of partnership with QB that killerbee has with 8.

[Shadowthrone]

Sorry for you but that might happen in the long run... In orther for Akatsuki's Statue to Awaken, All Bijuus must be sealed inside it. <--- I don't see why Kishi will lose his time Showing that Statue as Akatsuki's center goal, but not even seeing a Glimpse of that Entity's powers.

Even If Naruto's Bijuu is extracted, he'll survive somehow since he's the main Character. If Kishi found a way to keep Garra alive after Shukaku's extraction, then he will for Naruto too.

I Want to see that entity's power/full potential unleashed and Witness Naruto & co crush it to the ground. I want an EPIC end the Akatsuki Arc.

Many pple might wanna see e statue awaken but i dun think that ll ever happen. Just look at how insanely overpowered madara n pein is now, e statue would be expected to give them even far greater power. The whole naruto world ll be owned by them n e story ll end unless maybe 0.0001% naruto ll learn all the dota heroes skills :s to counter akatsuki

[DMNKLOL]

Umm.. where. The only thing I know about 420 is that it means being a thief and a trickster (at least in India).

420 is a reference to getting high offa drugs as well.

[localhero]

my prediction for how naruto will defeat pein:

kage bunshin and yanking out the black rods in all the six path bodies. that would disconnect pein from his puppets and force the true pein to reveal himself.

[bighawke5]

Prediction for this chapter!
maybe naruto doing frog fu and pein's onslaught on konoha! a lil bit of taka and kages ...


future PREDICTON!!
naruto and sasuke both arrive to konoha at same time seiing konoha destroyed..naruto seeing sasuke in akatsuki clothing...Serious ass kicking is sure to follow!... with sasuke getting annoyed and actually fighting back and then comes naruto vs sasuke #2...

[NNGirl]

it would be neat to see the yellow flash again

I want watch him spending some time to explain why he sealed the kyubii inside Naruto to him
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Prediction for this chapter!
maybe naruto doing frog fu and pein's onslaught on konoha! a lil bit of taka and kages ...


future PREDICTON!!
naruto and sasuke both arrive to konoha at same time seiing konoha destroyed..naruto seeing sasuke in akatsuki clothing...Serious ass kicking is sure to follow!... with sasuke getting annoyed and actually fighting back and then comes naruto vs sasuke #2...

I think that other nins in konoha hear the news about Sasuke in Akatsuki, and they will tell that to Naruto but he doesnt belive it until he meet Sasuke later

[shachi]

Comments/Predictions

1. Kishimoto has to juggle two parallel storylines and weigh which one to emphasize. One the one hand, he has Pein trying to discover Naruto's location. On the other hand, he has Konoha's informal intelligence group trying to discover Pein's secret.

2. As for Pein's goal, Kishimoto is going to place obstacles in his path. Because only a handful of people know of Naruto's current whereabouts, Pein will have to go straight for Tsunade, but standing in his way will be the Rookie 9, their parents and senseis, or some combination of the two + Team Samui.

3. As for the intelligence group's goal, Inoichi Yamanaka has introduced us to the first obstacle: the barrier blocking the interrogation of the enemy combatant from Amegakure. The final obstacle (piecing all the information Jiraiya left behind, with Grampa Toad's report, the autopsy report, and the intel from the interrogation) will be up to Shikamaru to circumvent or overcome.

4. The intel squad needs time, and it'll be up to Konoha to buy it for them, probably at a heavy cost.

[patedecarne]

Guys;
All the discussion about Kyuubi's seal, Yondaime and Sandaime wasmoved to the Naruto Hangout (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36962&page=57), please continue these subjects there.

[nanoclarkology]

I was hoping we could see some more Pain madness with his jutsu. Plus just one small shot of Fukasaku kicking the crap out of Naruto. Maybe even with a funny comment on how Fukasaku hits like a girl but Naruto is all beat up.

[Yourissues]

I think Naruto after his training will be a match for Pain. The reason being because i just read the Jiraiya vs Pain fight again and Ma and Pa frog keep stressing that Jiraiya is a poor user of hermit mode, which means he can't use it perfectly. Naruto has already done that, he has perfected his chakra control and has Hermit mode under control. All he is doing now is adding some fighting techniques to compliment his new power.
Like some posters i truly belive that Naruto will return to Konoha when Sasuke returns too. And we might end up seeing Sasuke vs Naruto sooner than we expect. Naruto vs Pain will wait as it's Hero vs the biggest villain. However i just don't see how madara fits into all of this. I think that Madara cannot and will not be defeated by Sasuke and i also think that Naruto has nothing doing with Madara. In my opinion ( just an opinion! ) Madara will fight a resseructed Minato.


I agree... Naruto will get there after Pein leaves or just decides to leave or something.... and Sasuke and Naruto will both see the Village messed up and on fire and all type of havock.... Team Hawk will take on Sakura, Sai, and others.... Will Naruto will fight Sasuke... they fight... Itachi's gift comes out and after much BS from other people and story lines.. Naruto and Sasuke will turn towards madara and Pein... finally battles will be Sasuke Vs Madara, Naruto Vs Pein (Nagato)

Many things will happen in between... like Zetsu finding killa bee and him fighting him.. which would be awesome cause zetsu is still unknown really to us in all forms... I think we will soon find out what Naruto is doing at night soon... and the next chapter be mostly pein, naruto....

[llamapie]

I don't believe the Naruto x Sasuke fight is due so soon. Naruto is gonna beat Pain though. Sasuke will get a spanking for failing and be sent out to fix his mistake.

[patedecarne]

If the timeline isn't messed up, Bee's team is already on its way to Konoha, right?but I don't know how they can help Konoha right now...

Or possibly they'll arrive after the massacre... I don't know their roles right now, but probably they'll stay as reinforcements, not only a 3 people team filler;

Oh, and I'm expecting to see Danzou in the upcoming chapter, at least: even if his ideals are a bit different from Sandaime and Godaime, he still loves Konoha, and won't allow this mess in Konoha;

[trafkjamm]

My theory may play out a little different, allthough I could be way off. I believe that when Naruto returns to konoha he will be immediately dispatched out with his team to go after the "Real" pain, this character we've not seen as of yet. The team will have deciphered Jaraiya's code and learned that the real pain isn't among the 6 fighting. That means in order to stop pain, he'll have to after the real one. I imagine that only Madara knows what this character looks like, so he'll have to go in for protection. Kakashi vs Madara and Naruto vs Pain. What are your thoughts on this?

[narutokuro]

I think the key to beating pein is you have to destroy him in a unique realm sequence. Doing so will pull the real Pein out of the dimension/realm he is stuck/hiding in. Then FRS w/ senjustu da side !!!

[laughing@you]

I wonder if sasuke ditched akatsuki and is heading for konoha?

How would that scenario play out?

He seems pretty confident on his new power. I think he wants to take on konoha now!!

[toslat]

Don't know if its been raised before, but I think the real pein is in Konan. Couple of reasons:

1. She looks too weak to be in Akatsuki, except she is the host for something stronger.
2. She is supposedly dead.
3. Pein's admission that he could have lost, meant that during the fight with j-man, there was an opportunity for j-man to kill him, meaning the real pain was likely involved at a point.
4. J-man said the real one wasn't there, which ties with Konan having left.
5. Madara likely knows the real pein, don't think madara will employ someone he can't handle.
6. She always seems involved in key conversations/actions even though she doesn't look that important

It all goes with the master appearing to be the puppet illusion. I suspect that all three kids (konan, nagato, & yahiko) are probably dead physically, and nagato found a way to move between bodies.
Nagato was probably involved with Konan before her death.

[vintagemistakes]

If the timeline isn't messed up, Bee's team is already on its way to Konoha, right?but I don't know how they can help Konoha right now...

Or possibly they'll arrive after the massacre... I don't know their roles right now, but probably they'll stay as reinforcements, not only a 3 people team filler;

Oh, and I'm expecting to see Danzou in the upcoming chapter, at least: even if his ideals are a bit different from Sandaime and Godaime, he still loves Konoha, and won't allow this mess in Konoha;
Either during or after Pains attack I see him making a play. Obviously if Tsunade dies, Danzou will at the very least make an argument for why his way is better if not forcefully do it. There's still so much we don't know about him and Root that this could be the perfect opportunity for Kishi to divulge a little bit of info. However, I'm indefferent about whether anything major will come of it right now... but I firmly expect him to be involved and see those seeds of ditrust/ conflict Kishi planted so long ago finally start to grow.

[narutokuro]

Don't know if its been raised before, but I think the real pein is in Konan. Couple of reasons:

1. She looks too weak to be in Akatsuki, except she is the host for something stronger.
2. She is supposedly dead.
3. Pein's admission that he could have lost, meant that during the fight with j-man, there was an opportunity for j-man to kill him, meaning the real pain was likely involved at a point.
4. J-man said the real one wasn't there, which ties with Konan having left.
5. Madara likely knows the real pein, don't think madara will employ someone he can't handle.
6. She always seems involved in key conversations/actions even though she doesn't look that important

It all goes with the master appearing to be the puppet illusion. I suspect that all three kids (konan, nagato, & yahiko) are probably dead physically, and nagato found a way to move between bodies.
Nagato was probably involved with Konan before her death.


What gets me is the subtle underlining tension between Pein and Konan. When Pein told her that what team she would be on...she said I know. Maybe somewhere in the past Konan failed in her duties so Pein wanted to make sure she wouln't FUp.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/02/

See what i mean?

[gold349]

If the timeline isn't messed up, Bee's team is already on its way to Konoha, right?but I don't know how they can help Konoha right now...

Or possibly they'll arrive after the massacre... I don't know their roles right now, but probably they'll stay as reinforcements, not only a 3 people team filler;

Oh, and I'm expecting to see Danzou in the upcoming chapter, at least: even if his ideals are a bit different from Sandaime and Godaime, he still loves Konoha, and won't allow this mess in Konoha;


Jiraiya warned Tsunade about ROOT before heading off to find/face/fight the leader of akatsuki. Granted Danzou loves konoha, he hasn't shown anything other than that but his way of doing things are not conventional...ROOTs way of doing things was liked to that of 'the bloody mist' (hidden mist village). He showed his way of doing things when he had Sai risk everything for a mission, he risked the lives of newly formed team7 to get close to Oro. He should protect konoha but I think Tsunade better watch out, its unlikely he will throw the kyubi jin at akatsuki but others may not be that fortunate, many could find them selves being sacrificed at his whim.

[Fallen.]

That doesn't neccesarily mean she's pain ya know.
As for the time line being F'ed up I think it's fine as it is now, Peain invading the village is making things progress,once pein is killed that leaves just a few members alive,plus team hawk,Sasuke is pretty much strong enough already to cause some damage to the village by himself,I wanna see tsunade vs. sasuke lol or sakura, that would be pretty interesting since sakura was originally a genjutsu type :P

[RzV]

I saw here some theories like madara is pein or ... The theory like Madar is Pein is not true look here : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/407/15 , http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/407/16 . How can be both there and be the same person ?

[vintagemistakes]

What gets me is the subtle underlining tension between Pein and Konan. When Pein told her that what team she would be on...she said I know. Maybe somewhere in the past Konan failed in her duties so Pein wanted to make sure she wouln't FUp.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/02/

See what i mean?
It's a possibility... but if you look at some of the other translations, her replies aren't as sharp as "I know" and pretty much follow the norm of her character... that being the subservient cheerleader worshiper of a god..




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Deva: Konan, you'll go with the search party as well.
Konan: As you wish.




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Deva!Pain: Konan, you're with the investigation team.
Konan: Understood.

[Kinmagan Gil]

I think Danzou will be the next Hokage, as Konoha, after being attacked so many times, will try to reinvent itself, and become much more strict. I can see this happening. Then ROOT will fit neatly into the story, perhaps. I think Naruto will get there first, Sasuke may be reassigned to hunt down Killer Bee, maybe, though he may defy orders, who knows. I think Sasuke will fight Madara alone first, get EMS from Itachi, and then face Naruto, both at peak power. The final fight in this series will be epic.

[matsemann08]

Sasuke, Suigetsu, Karin and Jugo are just wannabe Akatsukis, I don't see anyone of them except for Sasuke that really is Akatsuki level.
And none of them has got the Akatsuki rings, So i guess none of the are Akatsuki as i see it.

[Huey Freeman]

I wonder if sasuke ditched akatsuki and is heading for konoha?

How would that scenario play out?

He seems pretty confident on his new power. I think he wants to take on konoha now!!

This is a good time for him to attack Konoha since Pain is already wreaking havoc. The only thing is that it will take him a while to get there.

[narutokuro]

Yeah it kinda brought down the manga by having them join Akatsuki. Even though there were no rings they still had the cloaks. It makes me think...How and in the world does madara come up with extra cloaks? If he lives in a cave where does he store these things? Remember when sasuke got a new 70's pimped out shirt courtesy of the Mad-man, i'm sure that shirt smelled like cave.

Can't wait to see the focus of the next issue.

[Alex_1]

This is a good time for him to attack Konoha since Pain is already wreaking havoc. The only thing is that it will take him a while to get there.

But in a way I thought the author might have been dropping hints that "Sasuke" might be on the shelf for a little while. Or at the least, focused on a little less, because of the comments about 'we are going to heal and rest', etc. Could be wrong though, but I figured that we might see significantly less of him now.

Hey, remember when the authors said this would be the year of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi? We've got just under three months left. So unless Kakashi and Sakura are up against Pein (which is why I kind of think she'll lose only for Kakashi to step in against one of the recon bodies), the author lied. The jerk. :D
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One thing that struck me a little as odd was Pein's manner of speech in the beginning of the chapter. Granted, he could have been just doing it for Konan - or maybe more accurately for us, the readers sake, but it almost seemed like he wasn't completely in sync. He said what the assignment for the bodies were and told Konan where she would be with her typical annoying answer of "I know" or "you dont' need to know" or whatever crap she says. But then... if she did know, then what was the point of even going through all the assignments? I'm thinking it was for us, the reader's, benefit.

[kingkano]

lets say akatsuki manages to take the fox out of naruto.

maybe all the time narutos strength/chakra was weaken by the fox chakra.
maybe after they take it out of naruto, naruto will get hes full strength because all the time it was reduced by the fox chakra. could it be that minato chose naruto to seal the fox in was because he knew naruto was the only one who could handle this amout of chakra inside his body and bring the chakra to a balance or something like that.

and sorry for my bad english:eyeroll

[trafkjamm]

lets say akatsuki manages to take the fox out of naruto.

maybe all the time narutos strength/chakra was weaken by the fox chakra.
maybe after they take it out of naruto, naruto will get hes full strength because all the time it was reduced by the fox chakra. could it be that minato chose naruto to seal the fox in was because he knew naruto was the only one who could handle this amout of chakra inside his body and bring the chakra to a balance or something like that.

and sorry for my bad english:eyeroll

Good point, if I remember correctly. 90% of Naruto's chakra goes to suppressing the chakra of the 9 tails. He may be even stronger with out it!

[matsemann08]

lets say akatsuki manages to take the fox out of naruto.

maybe all the time narutos strength/chakra was weaken by the fox chakra.
maybe after they take it out of naruto, naruto will get hes full strength because all the time it was reduced by the fox chakra. could it be that minato chose naruto to seal the fox in was because he knew naruto was the only one who could handle this amout of chakra inside his body and bring the chakra to a balance or something like that.

and sorry for my bad english:eyeroll

Det var inte noget dårligt engelsk, nabo :p

But I've been wondering if Yondaime sealed the QB in Naruto since it was his son, he couldn't seal it another persons baby, that would be cruel :darn (well, he sacrifaced his own son instead of some other kids happiness :notrust)
Maybe he thought Naruto was that kind of person that would win over his sadness?
As Jiraiya said here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/), he did it for a reason, maybe it could have been that he knew that extracting bijuus would kill the host. So Naruto would survive when they tried to extract QB since there's only one chakra type???

Your English was better than mine.

[Eye of the tiger]

But in a way I thought the author might have been dropping hints that "Sasuke" might be on the shelf for a little while. Or at the least, focused on a little less, because of the comments about 'we are going to heal and rest', etc. Could be wrong though, but I figured that we might see significantly less of him now.

Hey, remember when the authors said this would be the year of Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi? We've got just under three months left. So unless Kakashi and Sakura are up against Pein (which is why I kind of think she'll lose only for Kakashi to step in against one of the recon bodies), the author lied. The jerk. :D
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One thing that struck me a little as odd was Pein's manner of speech in the beginning of the chapter. Granted, he could have been just doing it for Konan - or maybe more accurately for us, the readers sake, but it almost seemed like he wasn't completely in sync. He said what the assignment for the bodies were and told Konan where she would be with her typical annoying answer of "I know" or "you dont' need to know" or whatever crap she says. But then... if she did know, then what was the point of even going through all the assignments? I'm thinking it was for us, the reader's, benefit.

I totally agree.. Sakura and Kakashi are gonna be in the limelight from now on especially against pein.. pein's gonna eff up Sakura good and kakashi would barely get her outta harm's way.. then Naruto would come back and--"Sakura chaaaan!!.. Screw that pein, I'm gonna bash the bolts outta him!!"
BTW.. its about time, Shikamaru and the autopsy/interrogation/code breaker teams come up with something useful! Kishi's really not pacing that right.. its been quite sometime.

[Aizen Sama]

We are getting a color spread this week?

[neomaster121]

We are getting a color spread this week?

yea seems like it

hope its a good one of sage naruto

[Aizen Sama]

yea seems like it

hope its a good one of sage naruto

That would be so sweet. Hopefully its sage Naruto in a new outfit like we got a preview of Sasuke's new outfit before he actually was seen wearing it.

[desire]

Hi, my first post..

I know that most people cant see what madara's role is in all this, but I have a strong feeling that it involves sasuke, maybe there is an even more powerful sharingan then the EMS, if sasuke would take the eyes of Itachi, get EMS, and then madara wants the EMS eyes of sasuke for some super ultra powerful jutsu ???

because if you think about it, Madara has had an interest in Sasuke for a long time now.

[darkband]

That would be so sweet. Hopefully its sage Naruto in a new outfit like we got a preview of Sasuke's new outfit before he actually was seen wearing it.

Yes I think most of us hope he gets a new look. If he does get a change it has to fit his new power otherwise we'll all just fell like its the same old Naruto.

Next chapter though I think we'll start to see Pain run into some resistance from Konaha's clans like the Hyuuga. And also realize he has to find someone important to get real info.

[bean]

Hi, my first post..

I know that most people cant see what madara's role is in all this, but I have a strong feeling that it involves sasuke, maybe there is an even more powerful sharingan then the EMS, if sasuke would take the eyes of Itachi, get EMS, and then madara wants the EMS eyes of sasuke for some super ultra powerful jutsu ???

because if you think about it, Madara has had an interest in Sasuke for a long time now.
hey, great speculation. However, you're like 20 chapters too late. All this was kinda brought up during the itachi vs sasuke fight and again during the konoha uchiha history lesson madara gave sasuke. He's obviously keeping sasuke around for his own benefit because if he didn't need sasuke, he would have taken care of him right after itachi died...that way he would have gotten rid of both of them at the same time.

[SharinganGhost]

I think for the next couple chapters it will just mainly focus on Pain and Konan in Konoha reapin havoc. Im hopin we get to see some of the other chunnin (gennin from before) start handelin ther business. Also a dream fight would be Kakashi vs. Pain and Sakura backing him up

[DanteSonOfSparda]

Hi, my first post..

I know that most people cant see what madara's role is in all this, but I have a strong feeling that it involves sasuke, maybe there is an even more powerful sharingan then the EMS, if sasuke would take the eyes of Itachi, get EMS, and then madara wants the EMS eyes of sasuke for some super ultra powerful jutsu ???

because if you think about it, Madara has had an interest in Sasuke for a long time now.

Lol the Sharingan-eyes are like Pokemon...You gotta catch 'em all! :amuse

But you're right, Madara is obviously interested in Sasuke and that interest probably doesn't lie in his fighting strength, since Madara already had the command of a few S-Rank Shinobi.
If you take Sasuke's fighting strength away from him all that stays is his sharingan and since Madara already has at least one of those himself, there has to be some kind of secret...



I wonder if sasuke ditched akatsuki and is heading for konoha?

How would that scenario play out?

He seems pretty confident on his new power. I think he wants to take on konoha now!!

I can't imagine Sasuke ditching Akatsuki now...He joined because he had some kind of advantage of it and up until now I can't think of anything Sasuke might have gained from being Akatsuki (except some major pein from his hachibi-fight :blink).
Maybe he wanted to learn MS-Jutsus from Madara and after Hachibi-Amaterasu realized that he can learn those without instructions, but I still believe there is something we don't know about his motives being Akatsuki

[Kabuto]

I seriously doubt that naruto will have the 9 tails extracted from him. He is the last jinchuuriki left, and plus all this training would've been pretty useless if he manages to get captured and get it extracted. Plus everyone availble would fight along side naruto to protect him because if he learned to control the 9 tails even up to 4 tails without it hurting him or possesing him Konoha is invincible once again I mean up against Orochimaru in 4 tails he was sooo powerful but had no control it was infact the 9 tails himself controling the body. In any case naruto wont have the 9 tails extracted, and if he does that means he gets his ass kicked bad, then sage training didnt help one bit an was a waste.

[Jimmothy]

I seriously doubt that naruto will have the 9 tails extracted from him. He is the last jinchuuriki left, and plus all this training would've been pretty useless if he manages to get captured and get it extracted. Plus everyone availble would fight along side naruto to protect him because if he learned to control the 9 tails even up to 4 tails without it hurting him or possesing him Konoha is invincible once again I mean up against Orochimaru in 4 tails he was sooo powerful but had no control it was infact the 9 tails himself controling the body. In any case naruto wont have the 9 tails extracted, and if he does that means he gets his ass kicked bad, then sage training didnt help one bit an was a waste.

The sage training is actually setting him up to be really strong without the 9-tails...

Beating Pein without all 9 jinchuuriki would be like, and bear with me, like Goku defeating Freeza without being in his final form. Or any other anime/manga/climactic tv show where the villian gets all of his power, becomes increasingly strong, and still gets defeated.

Another example is in Heroes Season 1 when they could do nothing to stop the explosion but found a way to advert it by flying away.

[laughing@you]

This is a good time for him to attack Konoha since Pain is already wreaking havoc. The only thing is that it will take him a while to get there.
noted!!!.....
But i still hope that konoha can handle pein. They aren't called one of the strongest village for nothing.



I can't imagine Sasuke ditching Akatsuki now...He joined because he had some kind of advantage of it and up until now I can't think of anything Sasuke might have gained from being Akatsuki (except some major pein from his hachibi-fight :blink).
Maybe he wanted to learn MS-Jutsus from Madara and after Hachibi-Amaterasu realized that he can learn those without instructions, but I still believe there is something we don't know about his motives being Akatsuki

Well he said it himself he wanted power. Afterwards he was saying he probably doesn't need the hachibi's power, cuz he himself attained a new power.

Out of sasuke's over confidence he might leave. I hope we get some more insight on the next chapter.

I wonder how that scolding will be, from madara towards sasuke?

And will sasuke agree to start hunting the hachibi again?

[DanteSonOfSparda]

Well he said it himself he wanted power. Afterwards he was saying he probably doesn't need the hachibi's power, cuz he himself attained a new power.

Out of sasuke's over confidence he might leave. I hope we get some more insight on the next chapter.

I wonder how that scolding will be, from madara towards sasuke?

And will sasuke agree to start hunting the hachibi again?


scolding prediction (http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/images/i_willl_keep_spanking_until_1.jpg)


I wonder if Sasuke will go after hachibi again. Why did he go after him in the first place?
Like I said I think we're missing some part of Sasuke's motivation: He wanted to heal his and hawk's wounds and go to Konoha, but he could have done that in the first place before fighting Hachi...:blink

[okamy]

I seriously doubt that naruto will have the 9 tails extracted from him. He is the last jinchuuriki left, and plus all this training would've been pretty useless if he manages to get captured and get it extracted. Plus everyone availble would fight along side naruto to protect him because if he learned to control the 9 tails even up to 4 tails without it hurting him or possesing him Konoha is invincible once again I mean up against Orochimaru in 4 tails he was sooo powerful but had no control it was infact the 9 tails himself controling the body. In any case naruto wont have the 9 tails extracted, and if he does that means he gets his ass kicked bad, then sage training didnt help one bit an was a waste.

i think you got something wrong. he is not the last jinchuriki, sasuke didn't manage to capture the 8 tails ;)
so at least two jinchurikis are left

[Boomi]

in the picture where naruto was training at night:

-)smoke is coming from a straight line in the mountains
-)he before stated he doesn't get injured so easily in sage mode after falling down from that stone

conclusion: might be FRS or some other distance attack, but it really looks, smells and tastes like FRS

also it's name is furen rasen SHURIKEN ... i mean just read it ... we'll soon get answers i think so enough of that


i'm actually more curious about the soulstealnojutsu (pain appears to be somehow like shang tsung in mortal kombat :blink) thingy the one pain does there

[Oblivion]

naruto will lose the kyubi but still manage to fight without it thanks to the sage techniques and maybe gaara will show him some way.

or maybe only one part of the kyubi will be sucked out and the other part will remain, i am talking about the yin and yang chakra. maybe one of it will still remain inside naruto.

in the end akatsuki will get all the jinchriyuuki's and finish whatever jutsu they wanted but still be defeated after all.

[Kyuubi_999]

Good point, if I remember correctly. 90% of Naruto's chakra goes to suppressing the chakra of the 9 tails. He may be even stronger with out it!

Can anyone show me which manga chapter did they even mention that chackra rate for suppressing the kyuubi ?:blink

[RzV]

or maybe only one part of the kyubi will be sucked out and the other part will remain, i am talking about the yin and yang chakra. maybe one of it will still remain inside naruto.

ll.


In Naruto is only yang chakra , in Yondaime was yin chakra.

[skyline]

i think sasuke has changed....
reminder the chapter before he releases amaterasu, there was a flashback of naruto, sakura and kakashi. all i am sayin' is after realizing that, maybe sasuke actually wanted the eight tails to escape and that would probably explain why madara was speechless. and i think he is going to konoha to help defend againts akatsuki because he knows they are coming for naruto.

[pranabowjake]

maybe madara will use sasuke to get the other half of the kyubi so they wont have to get it out of naruto. no clue how, just a wild guess

[Rosebunse]

Dude, I know that this has nothing to do wioth the current discussion but I just need to say this-I don't kno is anyone has said anything about this: Pein's female body is Kakashi's old teammate Rin! They look about the same, and this would be a great way to get Kakashi back into the story; he would have to save her, after all.

[craig]

I seriously doubt that naruto will have the 9 tails extracted from him. He is the last jinchuuriki left, and plus all this training would've been pretty useless if he manages to get captured and get it extracted. Plus everyone availble would fight along side naruto to protect him because if he learned to control the 9 tails even up to 4 tails without it hurting him or possesing him Konoha is invincible once again I mean up against Orochimaru in 4 tails he was sooo powerful but had no control it was infact the 9 tails himself controling the body. In any case naruto wont have the 9 tails extracted, and if he does that means he gets his ass kicked bad, then sage training didnt help one bit an was a waste.

Maybe it's just cause I wanna see this massive weapon they've been creating, but I've got a feeling they'll succeed in getting all of the bijuus or at least prematurely unleashing the force for which they've been collecting them. It's too big of a plot device not to use.

[laughing@you]

scolding prediction (http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/images/i_willl_keep_spanking_until_1.jpg)


I wonder if Sasuke will go after hachibi again. Why did he go after him in the first place?
Like I said I think we're missing some part of Sasuke's motivation: He wanted to heal his and hawk's wounds and go to Konoha, but he could have done that in the first place before fighting Hachi...:blink


Probably to test the tail-beasts power?

I remember sasuke had hard time with naruto, where he was always going for the kill (except for the end of course) and naruto was just taking it and fighting back, without the same intentions.

Probably to him naruto was by far the strongest opponent he had faced, who didn't actually want to kill him. Almost everybody else that have fought sasuke are trying to kill him.

Which gives more points to our beloved hero. (naruto of course)

Also he wanted to test how would he perform while not having the curse seal. Which actually saved his butt against naruto.

He was confident before, and now with amaterasu he probably feels invincible.

I may be eating the whole bad guy role, but i still think sasuke's motivation is still revenge against konoha!!!!

[TheOneElectric]

I don't care if this is fake...it gets me all riled up! If this is a fake, people have finally learned how to make a fake without going over the top.

You mean Deva Pein being in a room alone with Tsunade isn't over the top? She would die in no time flat. After he got the info he needed of course.

[~Andrew~]

scolding prediction (http://scribalterror.blogs.com/scribal_terror/images/i_willl_keep_spanking_until_1.jpg)


I wonder if Sasuke will go after hachibi again. Why did he go after him in the first place?
Like I said I think we're missing some part of Sasuke's motivation: He wanted to heal his and hawk's wounds and go to Konoha, but he could have done that in the first place before fighting Hachi...:blink

didn't sausegay realize afterwards (or while he fought hachibee) that he's able to crush konoha by himself? btw. madara promised saske to share a tailed beast with taka (if saske follows his orders) ...in case you forgot about this part

[DanteSonOfSparda]

Probably to test the tail-beasts power?

I remember sasuke had hard time with naruto, where he was always going for the kill (except for the end of course) and naruto was just taking it and fighting back, without the same intentions.

Probably to him naruto was by far the strongest opponent he had faced, who didn't actually want to kill him. Almost everybody else that have fought sasuke are trying to kill him.

Which gives more points to our beloved hero. (naruto of course)

Also he wanted to test how would he perform while not having the curse seal. Which actually saved his butt against naruto.

He was confident before, and now with amaterasu he probably feels invincible.

I may be eating the whole bad guy role, but i still think sasuke's motivation is still revenge against konoha!!!!


Ever since I saw this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/08/), I'm totally buying the revenge on Konoha as well

That's also why I wondered, since Sasuke normally is quite eager to reach his goals and usually doesn't allow any distractions that hinder him from reaching them. But I have to admit that you theory about testing a Jin's strength makes sense :)

[GreeN Beast]

i predict that kakashi yamato sakura and gai getting involved!

[marlon]

Naruto going to come home after training and find the village in a state of panic

[lobo971]

so.. did Sasuke failed bringing back the 8 tails on purpose?
Maybe he dont really seek for revenge?maybe it is just a facade to alert Konoha about who the reel enemy is?
or.. he is too damn naive and will change again his mind while fighting against naruto?

The boy is totally lost if you ask me... Naruto has finally way more common sence and knows what he is fighting for...

[laughing@you]

Ever since I saw this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/08/), I'm totally buying the revenge on Konoha as well

That's also why I wondered, since Sasuke normally is quite eager to reach his goals and usually doesn't allow any distractions that hinder him from reaching them. But I have to admit that you theory about testing a Jin's strength makes sense :)

Yeap me to...That comment right there sealed it, for me to!!

On another note, i also found funny how kishi is displaying konan IMO as pein's family. when pein told konan she was in the recon team, she replied like "i know!!" Sort of the same reaction a sister talking down his brother to shutup.....

We also had an insight on konoha's barriers, i wonder if kishi will introduce other type of village defenses we didn't get to see in the oro invasion?

[Baron Hugenstein]

I predict that there is an attack on Konoha XD


Ever since I saw this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/08/), I'm totally buying the revenge on Konoha as well

That's also why I wondered, since Sasuke normally is quite eager to reach his goals and usually doesn't allow any distractions that hinder him from reaching them. But I have to admit that you theory about testing a Jin's strength makes sense :)

I don't see why revenge on Konoha wouldn't be true, Sasuke has already lost everything because the elders wanted the Uchiha killed.

Although, i doubt that he will harm his former friends and innocent lives, only the higher ups of Konoha will be killed.

[Alex_1]

I wonder though... do you (anyone) think Naruto will come home after Pein has already left? I can see it happening more so now because it would make him think, again, that the 9 tails inside of him has destroyed his home and caused those he cares about even harm, and that they fought to protect him. I wouldn't be surprised if it would then lead for him to have a much different perspective in his approach to fighting Pein.

I guess I'm sayign I can easily see his monologue/sermon. :D

[bean]

You mean Deva Pein being in a room alone with Tsunade isn't over the top? She would die in no time flat. After he got the info he needed of course.
it makes sense though. If tsunade is going to have trouble with one pein body, then she really does suck and doesn't deserve to be the hokage and should die. I don't think that bit is over the top at all. She is a sannin after all, and it's just one pein body...

the "prediction" sounds like something kishi would do, and it's not over the top like usual fakes where there's a stupid connection to someone, where they go no where, or where some random long dead person comes back and everyone gasps. Pein is fucking shit up: sounds legit. One pein confronts tsunade: still good. Naruto isn't doing as well as expect: yup, that seems about right. Only thing that kinda smells fake is that 30 minute bit...but then again, naruto is training as quickly as possible to fight pein, so it does kinda make sense.

[lvarella]

I think we gonna see next chapter:

-Naruto using KB to learn Taijutsu really fast
-Byakugan being important in the fight
-Gai, Kakashi, Neji fighting the bodies

[Muhbaer]

I don't care if this is fake...it gets me all riled up! If this is a fake, people have finally learned how to make a fake without going over the top.

yea man that's quite the spoiler !
naruto under time pressure - nice one

[makko]

it makes sense though. If tsunade is going to have trouble with one pein body, then she really does suck and doesn't deserve to be the hokage and should die. I don't think that bit is over the top at all. She is a sannin after all, and it's just one pein body...

the "prediction" sounds like something kishi would do, and it's not over the top like usual fakes where there's a stupid connection to someone, where they go no where, or where some random long dead person comes back and everyone gasps. Pein is fucking shit up: sounds legit. One pein confronts tsunade: still good. Naruto isn't doing as well as expect: yup, that seems about right. Only thing that kinda smells fake is that 30 minute bit...but then again, naruto is training as quickly as possible to fight pein, so it does kinda make sense.

Yea if Tsunade fights Pein she needs to put up a fight. If she doesn't than she was just a wasted character. Her purpose would have just been a reason to have Jman NOT be hokage so he'd be able to go to the Rain and fight Pein. Kishi has to deliver here. We're all dying to finally see Tsunade full out with no handicap.

If that spoiler is true... than it would be interesting if Tsunade puts up an amazing fight... surprises us all but is about to go down but gets saved by Naruto. Naruto breaks up the fight... tries some Senjutsu... its somewhat effective but not too much. And he learns something about Pein with his clones for next time. They both kinda retreat cause they can't hold Pain back much longer. Else where in the village Kakashi and Shikamaru figure out a way to push Pain back. Not beat him really but at least push him back. Just as Pain is about to get kinda pissed cause he has somewhat of a challenge... Madara calls him back.

Also, i wonder if Sakura will be a factor here... like creating a poison of some kind for Pain?
[hr]

yea man that's quite the spoiler !
naruto under time pressure - nice one

Yea.. Naruto under time constraints is a good one. He would go insane and use as many clones as possible. Than to even up the learning even more he has the Clones fight each other!

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Actually, fighting Peins individually shouldn't be as hard as one would think. I keep thinking about Jiraiya's fight and wonder as to what would have happened if he had used his giant rasengan on any of the other Pein bodies. After all, only one of them could absorb the chakra. If they are specialists, all the Konohites have to do is find the right opponents to go against the Pein bodies. I hope Fusaku told them about the characteristics of each of the Pein bodies he fought and they have apriori decided on who should fight the individual Pein bodies. If not that they are all lame dumbasses who go to war without proper homework...like certain countries in the real world!

Also, Tsunade should be able to take out individual bodies without much difficulty unless she goes up against someone who happens to specialized in her weak point...which we don't know about.

[vintagemistakes]

As long as Konoha can maintain a separation of the bodies... they should be able to adequately defend the village. Of course a ton of random, pointless nin will die in the mean time but no one really cares about them(eventhough it does affect Konohas strength in the long run). The problem that will unfold is when the bodies convene and take on a singular character(Tsunade?). No one in the village is really equipped to handle a six on one fight... and that's where Pain will dominate any particular matchup. It will take multiple characters and/or Naruto spamming KB's left and right to defeat Pain in the long run...

[gold349]

Tsunade isn't going to be a push over, Pain hinted at the fact that she may have her own unique ability (IMO its other than the regeneration and keeping her youth/breasts perked rather than drooped LOL). She is one shinobi that I want to see fight more than any other, she should hold her own but we know kishi isn't going to allow her to defeat/kill Pain. Like Jiraiya did 1 on 1, she could force him on the back foot but I have this feeling that Konan is going to be central to Tsunade losing/getting injured enough that she can not fight full on.

We still don't know much about Pain....how important is the deva realm body as a collective?, IDK about the Deva realm Pain but I'd say that she could kill/defeat the other 5 realms (my own personal view). She is said not to be able to die in battle, can regenerate any parts of her body, has insane strength, medical knowledge is second to none she stands a good chance, better than Jiraiya even if, if she is weaker than Jiraiya as a shinobi...she has the inside info Jiraiya/fukasaku left.

[patedecarne]

Well, Tsunade vs Pain is almost a must, and I'm sure we'll see something about it in the next chapter ^^

But well, if someone can really protect Konoha, this person is Tsunade: she's a Hokage, guys! her stats (even though the databook isn't too reliable about power comparison) are one of the greatest there;

Just like 10 10, Tsunade is a force to be recognized and her fight against Pain probably will begin in the next chapter;

[Raizen]

Yes, it is about time tsunade shows her medal and destroy any doubt that she is weak.
Her ability to be immortal is kick-ass. I hope she shows some nature manipulation

[Raimaru]

In Naruto is only yang chakra , in Yondaime was yin chakra.
Or at least, that's your or a group of people's interpretation. I shared this one until some days ago when I stepped over the "Jinchuuriki/Bijuu Bonds" thread. That one gave me a new inspiration about Yin Yang in Narutoverse, maybe I'll write about that if I find time today or tomorrow.
For now, let's say I think "the whole fox" is inside Naruto but one half is inaccessable.

I don't think the spoilers are 100% true, although their "shape" is quite legit. I expect more from Naruto concering frog-fu.

[Yamamoto Genryuusa]

Im waiting to see the fight between tsunade and pain but it most likely wont happen, the other"protector ninja"will make sure that wont happen, but what we will see is the older generation fighting to protect the village, the yungins will take a back seat on this one. They will put pain in a situation where he will retreat into an ambush or some sort of altercation ultimately killing a body or the collective six realms we so far know about. I have info to back this up but I wont release it yet I will wait for the occasional bashing of naruto based theories then post my info leaving all of you with a look on your face similar to laughing@you's avatar. Enjoi

[David Gill]

A contact has just informed me that Pain is to assasinate a very important character, who is connected to Naruto of course is some way or another. Moreover, 3 pain bodies are preoccupied with Konoha Shinobi while the others infiltrate the inner zones of konoha. Kakashi is alert of the situation and thinks about Naruto. The very end has Naruto in a new costume practicing Frog taijustsu.
More to follow tomorrow.

[gold349]

@ pat come pat. you're giving her too less credit..putting her next to ten ten :amuse that's being rude that's like cussing her LOL :D. stats...never rely on them. Naruto stats are horror, its his unpredictability, its the unpredictability factor that I'm going for, we haven't seen any of Tsunade other than how kishi introduced her into the manga...I'm sure that was just to showcase Naruto's rasengan and just make out Tsunade is a good medic that's all. In doing so people put her next to ten ten now tutt tutt kishi:notrust but I'm giving her that benefit of doubt as she has many battle experience and has gotten over that horrible ooooohh scary blood phobia :p to say that she will put up a fight. She has too, who else is kishi going to have keep konoha alive. Konoha sure is going to get beat so is Pain and I can not see any other who can fight a number of bodies by them self, who knows we'll see, but don't cuss Tsunade, Jiraiya will come and haunt you.:D

[sou_desu_ka]

hachibi wont report to his brother/raikage until it is too late. after he finds out that he's been killed by akatsuki(trying to save his little brother who wasn't there to begin with) he will go back to akatsuki to get vengance on the death of raikage then he will be captured for real by akatsuki. killer bee isn't as home free as people may think. oh and it's only obvious that tsunade is next on the doomed list. especially with naruto out of the village and pain reakin hell on it. and madara is definitely not who we think, could possibly be nagato i mean is he even really there{the real one isn't there}, ex. rasengan/sword/etc. through the body with absolutely no harm done? if he was just madara i think kishi wouldn't be making such a big deal of that mask he has on.

[TEH_MASTER]

I seriously doubt that naruto will have the 9 tails extracted from him. He is the last jinchuuriki left, and plus all this training would've been pretty useless if he manages to get captured and get it extracted. Plus everyone availble would fight along side naruto to protect him because if he learned to control the 9 tails even up to 4 tails without it hurting him or possesing him Konoha is invincible once again I mean up against Orochimaru in 4 tails he was sooo powerful but had no control it was infact the 9 tails himself controling the body. In any case naruto wont have the 9 tails extracted, and if he does that means he gets his ass kicked bad, then sage training didnt help one bit an was a waste.

Kirabi and Naruto are both Jinchuriki, Kirabi escaped from Team Hawk and the tailed beast inside him has not been extract. So Naruto isn't the last Jinchuriki.:s:s:s

[Eye of the tiger]

Pein's gonna lose 3 bodies here (along with a ton of other leaf nin of course) and then retreat since he does not find Naruto or finds out he's in myoboku.. maybe iruka or interrogator guy will die.. But this is gonna turn into Sakura and kakashi's show soon enough!

[TheOneElectric]

HEY GUYS. Something to remember here. Something we all looked over. Demon Realm. He is stronger than Tsunade. It might be the strongest physical force in Naruto. LET US ALL REMEMBER THAT SENJUTSU INCREASES YOU IN ALL WAYS. Including body strength, stamina, and endurance. Naruto fell on spiked rocks from high up and only had the scratches from his training on him. Jiraiya caused blindness in one kick to Human Realm. Well...DEMON REALM PUNCHED SENJUTSU JIRAIYA AND TORE HIS FREAKING ARM OFF!!!! WTF THAT THING IS STRONG WHEN WE ANALYZE ALL THE STATS. If a normal Konoha nin takes one hit from him they are gaurenteed death.

[danga' manga']

I sure hope it's time for Kakashi to reappear. It feels like ages since he did anything important. I am all for a little frog-fu preview as well.

[SMN]

he cut jiriaya's arm with the weird black sword i think

[bean]

HEY GUYS. Something to remember here. Something we all looked over. Demon Realm. He is stronger than Tsunade. It might be the strongest physical force in Naruto. LET US ALL REMEMBER THAT SENJUTSU INCREASES YOU IN ALL WAYS. Including body strength, stamina, and endurance. Naruto fell on spiked rocks from high up and only had the scratches from his training on him. Jiraiya caused blindness in one kick to Human Realm. Well...DEMON REALM PUNCHED SENJUTSU JIRAIYA AND TORE HIS FREAKING ARM OFF!!!! WTF THAT THING IS STRONG WHEN WE ANALYZE ALL THE STATS. If a normal Konoha nin takes one hit from him they are gaurenteed death.
actually, senjutsu was wearing off, and all we know is that he attacked jiraiya...I doubt it was just a simple punch.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/11/

there could have been a tussle there that wasn't shown...yeah, he seems strong...but who knows how strong he really is.

[One Bad Mo Fo]

Tsunade's going to die and Kakashi made the 6th Hokage.

[pranabowjake]

actually, senjutsu was wearing off, and all we know is that he attacked jiraiya...I doubt it was just a simple punch.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/11/

there could have been a tussle there that wasn't shown...yeah, he seems strong...but who knows how strong he really is.

it didnt look like senjitsu was wearing off at all. he seemed to be in full form, the senjitsu wore off when he went to the frog relm and ma went away. from the way it looks, he probably held his arm and kicked/punched him through the wall. not something like a sword would do since those black spikes look less like slicking weapons and more like piercing weapons.

but i agree, demon realm looks really strong, especially with the size and what not versus the other peins

[Jimmothy]

Kakashi cant' be Hokage because they would have to remove the mask in order to chisel him on the mountain. Then Kakashi wouldn't be the guy we all know and love.

[bean]

it didnt look like senjitsu was wearing off at all. he seemed to be in full form, the senjitsu wore off when he went to the frog relm and ma went away. from the way it looks, he probably held his arm and kicked/punched him through the wall. not something like a sword would do since those black spikes look less like slicking weapons and more like piercing weapons.

but i agree, demon realm looks really strong, especially with the size and what not versus the other peinshttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/12/

looks like wearing off to me...

[TheOneElectric]

actually, senjutsu was wearing off, and all we know is that he attacked jiraiya...I doubt it was just a simple punch.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/11/

there could have been a tussle there that wasn't shown...yeah, he seems strong...but who knows how strong he really is.

http://nebraskahs.unl.edu/images/raised_hand_long.jpg

I do.:D:D:D


No really Jiraiya went through the wall after a suprise attack. It is known that it was a quick suprise do to the fast frames around Jiraiya turning around and the Rinnegan face close up also in fast frames. Jiraiya still had sharp teeth and the bulbous nose. I'm pretty sure nothing was mentioned about hermit mode wearing off. We can however assume that more than likely it was a quick suprise attack that at least was a 30% chance of being one attack. Punches are usually the fastest things to get off in a fight.....anyways you see where I'm going with that.

[toslat]

Demon pein likely blew off jiraya's arm with some form of explosion.

[Askia32]

Tsunade is not going to die. A lot of people are going to die around her, and she's gonna be lonely.

All she had to do was hook up with Jiraiya a long time ago.

[bean]

http://nebraskahs.unl.edu/images/raised_hand_long.jpg

I do.:D:D:D


No really Jiraiya went through the wall after a suprise attack. It is known that it was a quick suprise do to the fast frames around Jiraiya turning around and the Rinnegan face close up also in fast frames. Jiraiya still had sharp teeth and the bulbous nose. I'm pretty sure nothing was mentioned about hermit mode wearing off. We can however assume that more than likely it was a quick suprise attack that at least was a 30% chance of being one attack. Punches are usually the fastest things to get off in a fight.....anyways you see where I'm going with that.

he put someone through a wall, and now he's the stronger than tsunade? tsunade cracked the earth many times with a punch to the ground. There's been numerous characters to put holes in walls, small and gigantic, and I doubt they would be considered stronger than tsunade when they did it (naruto, sasuke to name a couple).
As for hermit mode, before the attack he wasn't as much as a frog as he was when he was actually fighting pein. After his arm was ripped off, he was losing the form even more. And just because it happened in the span of a frame or two doesn't signify that it happened instantly. It may have been one attack, but a single punch wouldn't do that. That pein has some ballistic abilities, which more than likely are what caused jiraiya to lose an arm. And you did the math on that? you got 30%? what calculations did you use?


just to show you were I'm coming from
what I believe to be jiraiya in his 100% hermit mode
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/12/

hermit mode wearing off
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/09/

and it wearing off even more
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/12/

[pranabowjake]

now that naruto has gained sennin mode and the ability to learn and increase his experince with kb i think after a few demonstrations of power he will be ready to accent to the hokage level, which is around the same time tsunade will die. i doubt she will die until naruto is ready to become hokage, so under this i think it will be sasuke who will kill tsunade. because at that point we will have a chance to see naruto's true growth and that will be his chance to take the lead. as i said. other than him missing his arm, nothing looks different about his sennin mode then and previously. he was being beat down and losing blood/stamina and thus he wasnt able to hold onto the mode much longer
[hr]
he doesnt look too different between them because you really cant see his feet and his arm just got ripped off. from the looks of it, it was less likely that he was less or more powerful when he looked more like a frog and more likely that he just had less concentration when he was in the thick of battle. as you can see naruto only has his eyes change and he's at full power. as far as demon pein being stronger than tsunade, well that we dont know but he can probably match her since her strength comes from focusing her chakara rather than just being strong.

[TheOneElectric]

he put someone through a wall, and now he's the stronger than tsunade? tsunade cracked the earth many times with a punch to the ground. There's been numerous characters to put holes in walls, small and gigantic, and I doubt they would be considered stronger than tsunade when they did it (naruto, sasuke to name a couple).
As for hermit mode, before the attack he wasn't as much as a frog as he was when he was actually fighting pein. After his arm was ripped off, he was losing the form even more. And just because it happened in the span of a frame or two doesn't signify that it happened instantly. It may have been one attack, but a single punch wouldn't do that. That pein has some ballistic abilities, which more than likely are what caused jiraiya to lose an arm. And you did the math on that? you got 30%? what calculations did you use?


just to show you were I'm coming from
what I believe to be jiraiya in his 100% hermit mode
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/377/12/

hermit mode wearing off
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/09/

and it wearing off even more
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/379/12/

I think frog hands and feet Jiraiya was Jiraiya attempting to take in too much sage energy at once. He was able to take a hit and knock back that bull summon that Pein whipped up when he didn't have the frog hands and feet. Now about the "single blow"....lets say it was a single blow. Jiraiya was still in the Hermit stage that he was when he destroyed the bull summon. He was strong enough to take that bull head on but not strong enough to withstand a hit from Demon Realm...IMO I think that basically screams stronger than Tsunade. Heck, in fact I think Naruto is stronger than Tsunade when he is using Senjutsu. (I refuse to call it hermit mode when naruto uses it, I think Jiraiya dubbed it hermit mode because of the way he looked when he used it.)

[Askia32]

he doesnt look too different between them because you really cant see his feet and his arm just got ripped off. from the looks of it, it was less likely that he was less or more powerful when he looked more like a frog and more likely that he just had less concentration when he was in the thick of battle. as you can see naruto only has his eyes change and he's at full power. as far as demon pein being stronger than tsunade, well that we dont know but he can probably match her since her strength comes from focusing her chakara rather than just being strong.

Wow. Take a look again. It's not that hard to tell the differences. See what Bean is hinting at through the scans before you start going off on some assumption to say Bean is wrong.

"Hints"

Look at the face in the last two scans.

[bean]

I think frog hands and feet Jiraiya was Jiraiya attempting to take in too much sage energy at once. He was able to take a hit and knock back that bull summon that Pein whipped up when he didn't have the frog hands and feet. Now about the "single blow"....lets say it was a single blow. Jiraiya was still in the Hermit stage that he was when he destroyed the bull summon. He was strong enough to take that bull head on but not strong enough to withstand a hit from Demon Realm...IMO I think that basically screams stronger than Tsunade. Heck, in fact I think Naruto is stronger than Tsunade when he is using Senjutsu. (I refuse to call it hermit mode when naruto uses it, I think Jiraiya dubbed it hermit mode because of the way he looked when he used it.)
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/
naruto is using hermit mode (sage mode = hermit mode, in japanese the same word is used for both sage and hermit, sennin, and they pretty much mean the same thing).

I have my opinion, you have yours. I don;t think he's that strong. Strong, yes...stronger than tsunade...that's yet to be seen. Again, knocking someone through a wall doesn't equal stronger than tsunade....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/03/

[Askia32]

I think frog hands and feet Jiraiya was Jiraiya attempting to take in too much sage energy at once. He was able to take a hit and knock back that bull summon that Pein whipped up when he didn't have the frog hands and feet. Now about the "single blow"....lets say it was a single blow. Jiraiya was still in the Hermit stage that he was when he destroyed the bull summon. He was strong enough to take that bull head on but not strong enough to withstand a hit from Demon Realm...IMO I think that basically screams stronger than Tsunade. Heck, in fact I think Naruto is stronger than Tsunade when he is using Senjutsu. (I refuse to call it hermit mode when naruto uses it, I think Jiraiya dubbed it hermit mode because of the way he looked when he used it.)

Haha, when Tsunade did this with one finger.
http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000159/03.jpg

One freakin finger....

Your making assumptions to prove your point based off an attack that you can't even see.

[Stevenh1990]

Yes, it is about time tsunade shows her medal and destroy any doubt that she is weak.
Her ability to be immortal is kick-ass. I hope she shows some nature manipulation

I think it raiton saw her do it in her last fight with Kabuto.

[Raizen]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/
naruto is using hermit mode (sage mode = hermit mode, in japanese the same word is used for both sage and hermit, sennin, and they pretty much mean the same thing).

I have my opinion, you have yours. I don;t think he's that strong. Strong, yes...stronger than tsunade...that's yet to be seen. Again, knocking someone through a wall doesn't equal stronger than tsunade....
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/306/03/
I agree w/ bean LOL

When j-man got his arm ripped off, I take it due to him being caught off guard. Ninjas can easily harm another easily if given the chance and pein got the perfect chance. So what if he ripped of J-man's arm? Who cares. Tsunade will beat his ass, that is until the other 6 join in. But tsunade has god mode too :p

[TheOneElectric]

I'll be glad when we can see Pein fuck Konoha up so badly that everyone will shut up about Konoha being so strong and so unstoppable and or whine "PLOT NO JUTSU." Either one is happening in the next twenty four hours.

[bean]

we're not saying he isn't going to fuck konoha up, just saying that that one demon pein hasn't really shown that he's stronger than tsunade. I've been saying pein is going to fuck shit up...been saying since way back when, and that he would do it with just 6 bodies...look what's happening.

[bennibb]

Its funny how ppl see something new... and its always better then the old ones... Oro in most eyes are maybe a genin lvl compared to the new foes. But no matter how you turn it... The big realm guy is both fast and strong to appear that close to jirayia and sever his arm. But its not like anyone said otherwise. But dont dismiss Tsunade yet. She may be loosing the next big encounter... but she is strong... never doubt that. All who disagree... cant realy be taken serious. 5 Hokage stands for something after all

[bennibb]

And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk

[pranabowjake]

Haha, when Tsunade did this with one finger.
http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000159/03.jpg

One freakin finger....

Your making assumptions to prove your point based off an attack that you can't even see.

but with the way tsunade gets her "strength" one finger or one hand doesnt have much of a difference. she gathers a bunch of chakara in her hand and releases it. the one finger thing is just a way to mock naruto

[bean]

And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk
well, there's doing it the hard way (doing it themselves, which carries the risk of losing limbs, body, and maybe life) and doing it the easy way (dropping a bomb or bijuu on a village)

[TheOneElectric]

we're not saying he isn't going to fuck konoha up, just saying that that one demon pein hasn't really shown that he's stronger than tsunade. I've been saying pein is going to fuck shit up...been saying since way back when, and that he would do it with just 6 bodies...look what's happening.

I apologize for including you into that group of the "Konoha Unstoppables." (they really get on my nerves)

We will have to wait to see more from each Realm before we can truly judge the power.

[The Adamant Dragon]

Its funny how ppl see something new... and its always better then the old ones... Oro in most eyes are maybe a genin lvl compared to the new foes. But no matter how you turn it... The big realm guy is both fast and strong to appear that close to jirayia and sever his arm. But its not like anyone said otherwise. But dont dismiss Tsunade yet. She may be loosing the next big encounter... but she is strong... never doubt that. All who disagree... cant realy be taken serious. 5 Hokage stands for something after all

Jiraya too was Kage Level <--- Since he was the elders' first choice To become Hokage. And look what happened to him.

Tsunade can stand her ground, that I'm sure of it. But I doubt she'll defeat Pain, Being a Kage or Kage lvl doesn't make you imune to defeat and instopable. No matter how strong and smart you are, there's all way someone who'll be stronger than you or Best you in many aspect in the shinobi-world.

[pranabowjake]

And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk

being able to take down a country and rule over the people with fear are two different things. supposedly sasori took down a nation with his 100 pupits, but he couldnt control that nation

[Raizen]

And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk
Good point. Pein is strong, while he may cause mass chaos in konoha, he alone won't be able to bring down a whole village. Madara said so himself that w/ akatsuki as it is now, if all of them attack they would lose to konoha. So i don't think pein alone can conquer konoha

As for whether each pein is strong, hell yes they are strong in their own right but tsunade is the hokage. It is hinted that she is strong too. If J-man can handle at least 3 peins, so can tsunade. Plus she has a jutsu that makes her immortal

[TheOneElectric]

And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

Madara and Pein have two different goals.

Pein is not out for world domination. All of you I will say it again. Pein is not out for world domination. He believes that it is a god's duty to cure the world of pain, suffering and war. That is what he is doing in his mind. Curing the world of pain suffereing. That is what the nuke is for. They sell it to nations and nations use them. They take it back and sell it to another nation and so on and so on. It is so the world can get a taste of true devastation so people will never do as much as punch one another out of anger. Pein is curing the world with fear and blood. Where as Naruto will cure it with love and understanding.

[Askia32]

So what the heck is Naruto going to be Hokage of if Konoha is destroyed, and everyone killed?

He could be Hokage of the frogs I guess...

[Fallen.]

Pein reminds me of sasuke,they have good objectives but they are trying to achieve it in a fucked up way.

[TheChosenOne]

He believes that it is a god's duty to cure the world of pain, suffering and war. That is what he is doing in his mind. Curing the world of pain suffereing. That is what the nuke is for.

So basically he is trying to impose his view/will onto the world, sounds like domination. :)

[pranabowjake]

Good point. Pein is strong, while he may cause mass chaos in konoha, he alone won't be able to bring down a whole village. Madara said so himself that w/ akatsuki as it is now, if all of them attack they would lose to konoha. So i don't think pein alone can conquer konoha

As for whether each pein is strong, hell yes they are strong in their own right but tsunade is the hokage. It is hinted that she is strong too. If J-man can handle at least 3 peins, so can tsunade. Plus she has a jutsu that makes her immortal

well technically it was j-man and 2 frog sages v 3 peins, and they had to do a cat and mouse kind of game against him, but yea i think she can stand up to them, i mean having an invincible mode makes the difference. i dont think anyone is saying she will be a push over. but in the end the village will be weakened because of the detraction team. even if pein doesnt kill any major ninja he will weaken their power. remember the troubles konoha had after oro attacked, not that he was sucessful, but they had a lot of losses and thus had to exhaust more ninjas for missions as not to appear weak.

[TheOneElectric]

Pein reminds me of sasuke,they have good objectives but they are trying to achieve it in a fucked up way.

Name one "good" objective Sasuke has.


Anyways, Nagato = Naruto. They share the exact goal but take two extremely different paths to acheive the goal.

[bennibb]

What does goals have to do with this? I never said Pein wanted to rule the world... but he want to rid his oposition. And that is mainly Konoha. They have been the thorn in Akatsukis side more than any. So if Pein could rid himself of Konoha... he would ofc do so if he had the power. I dont beleve he can... not whole Akatsuki can that. But acting likie true ninjas. Relying on stealth cunning and seurgicly presision... They can do much more damage. And that is what Pein is doing now I beleve... he does a Blitz attack on Konoha.. cousing mass havoc and tries to gather info. Konohas forces are not inside Konoha. They are out on missions and outside in the clan areas. Gathering them is gonna take time. And I beleve Pein would be gone before that happends.

[pranabowjake]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

Madara and Pein have two different goals.

Pein is not out for world domination. All of you I will say it again. Pein is not out for world domination. He believes that it is a god's duty to cure the world of pain, suffering and war. That is what he is doing in his mind. Curing the world of pain suffereing. That is what the nuke is for. They sell it to nations and nations use them. They take it back and sell it to another nation and so on and so on. It is so the world can get a taste of true devastation so people will never do as much as punch one another out of anger. Pein is curing the world with fear and blood. Where as Naruto will cure it with love and understanding.

when he was talking to hidan about what akasuki's goals were he said the final part of the scheme was world domination...

[bennibb]

Do we even know Madaras goals? other than revendge maybe?

[TheOneElectric]

when he was talking to hidan about what akasuki's goals were he said the final part of the scheme was world domination...

Like anyone tells their peons anything nowadays.

He told his sensei the truth. That's all that matters.

[snowdog]

Remember, even if he finds out where naruto is, he would be looking for another month for him.

[Fallen.]

Name one "good" objective Sasuke has.


Anyways, Nagato = Naruto. They share the exact goal but take two extremely different paths to acheive the goal.

he doesn't want anyone to go through the pain he went through and he thinks he can get rid of that easily by destroying konoha.

[Strider's♥Death]

he doesn't want anyone to go through the pain he went through and he thinks he can get rid of that easily by destroying konoha.

He does ??????lol whaaaaat??? i could've of sworn he wants revenge. never read anywhere in the manga where he doesnt want anyone else to go through the same pain. Hmmm maybe we are reading different mangas. lol

[pranabowjake]

Like anyone tells their peons anything nowadays.

He told his sensei the truth. That's all that matters.

telling the people who work for you your plans versus telling your sensei who is your enemy your ideals/goals? the biju's become a weapon for peins' world domination plan

[bharatsriv]

Remember, even if he finds out where naruto is, he would be looking for another month for him.

i dont think he is gonna find naruto ...although what u said is also true ..that even if he founds he will wander forever to reach the frog mountains ......i think that pain will just cause utter destruction of konoha (will ravage it) .and also he will cause the death of an important shinobi of konoha ...a leading figure to say the least ......tsunade being the prime choice as we have seen hokages to be self less and sacrificing in the line of duty ( yondaime ..sandaime..etc) so i think she is gonna be dead and then kakashi made to be hokage ....

[bennibb]

If Tsunade dies... Im leaning more to the idea that Root and Danzou is taking over... they may even be helping Pein (not directly) but using this as a window to attack. Or atleast not help those who defends.

[pranabowjake]

i dont think he is gonna find naruto ...although what u said is also true ..that even if he founds he will wander forever to reach the frog mountains ......i think that pain will just cause utter destruction of konoha (will ravage it) .and also he will cause the death of an important shinobi of konoha ...a leading figure to say the least ......tsunade being the prime choice as we have seen hokages to be self less and sacrificing in the line of duty ( yondaime ..sandaime..etc) so i think she is gonna be dead and then kakashi made to be hokage ....

i still think she wont die until naruto is ready to become hokage. maybe kakashi will die to the hands of pein, i do believe someone important will die, but i just dont think it's tsunade yet. i mean she has the invincibility jitsu + it seems more likely that sasuke will kill her because at that time naruto will have proven himself as an ample replacement for the hokage position.

[HPTR Fangirl]

You know what is making me laugh after reading the entire depressing violent chapter. Few chapters back when Pain was preparing to go to Konoha to capture Kyuubi. Madara warned him about Naruto, to not to underestimate him and having a lot of allies. He also warned Pain that failure will not be tolerated from the Akatsuki leader (something like that), and here Madara's newly subordinate messes in capturing Hachibi, when he vouched for him in front of Pain and Konan. How do you think Pain will take this failure?:D

The White Zetsu's "It'a a tentacle" and Kisame's "Looks like Sasuke-kun messed up" were epic classic lines just brought down the entire house. Instead of seeing a dready dark Akatsuki layer, it ended up becoming a joke house. :loool:Haha


Jiraya too was Kage Level <--- Since he was the elders' first choice To become Hokage. And look what happened to him.

Tsunade can stand her ground, that I'm sure of it. But I doubt she'll defeat Pain, Being a Kage or Kage lvl doesn't make you imune to defeat and instopable. No matter how strong and smart you are, there's all way someone who'll be stronger than you or Best you in many aspect in the shinobi-world.

I agree The Adamant Dragon. There will always be someone better and more powerful than you. it's a given fact after that is how anyone / in case of Narutoverse, next generation, will surpass the previous.


being able to take down a country and rule over the people with fear are two different things. supposedly sasori took down a nation with his 100 pupits, but he couldnt control that nation

Need to read vol 31. I only know that Sasori particiapted in the murders of the previous 3 kazekages up till this far.


And ofc Pein wil mess up alot... but serious... if he and Madara could bring down a whole nation... they wouldnt need any freaking nukelare bomb would thay? thats just crazy talk

As b e a n states, there is a easy to do things and hard way to do things. Easy way results in terror, ninja world war 4, violence, meaningless death and destruction -- Pain (and somewhat Madara's) way. Hard way is going to be Naruto's way -- by creating bonds and trust among both friends and enemies alike.

[bennibb]

Wel... im one of those guys who would LOVE to see Kakashi holding the seat until Naruto is ready... Im praying for it ;)

[bharatsriv]

i still think she wont die until naruto is ready to become hokage. maybe kakashi will die to the hands of pein, i do believe someone important will die, but i just dont think it's tsunade yet. i mean she has the invincibility jitsu + it seems more likely that sasuke will kill her because at that time naruto will have proven himself as an ample replacement for the hokage position.

seriously if sasuke do kills her (i still have doubts on this though) i will seriously write a petition to kishi to change the name of manga to sharingan or sasuke ...coz he has been made more powerful than any shinobi we have seen (except pain , madara .and few others )..he killed oro .a sannin ...he killed deidara (my fav among akatsuki)he gave 8 tails a hard time ..this is enough and now if he kills tsunade then this is going overboard .......regarding the death of kakashi ...i ythink this is still a possibility but the fact is that we have seen the hokages to put their life in the line to save the village and the village members so i doubt that tsunade will let kakashi die in front of her ...remember the sandaime and yondaime ....she will obviously sacrifice herself to protect the younger ones and then her "will of fire " will be carried out by kakashi or any other suitable shinobi ...........

[pranabowjake]

seriously if sasuke do kills her (i still have doubts on this though) i will seriously write a petition to kishi to change the name of manga to sharingan or sasuke ...coz he has been made more powerful than any shinobi we have seen (except pain , madara .and few others )..he killed oro .a sannin ...he killed deidara (my fav among akatsuki)he gave 8 tails a hard time ..this is enough and now if he kills tsunade then this is going overboard .......regarding the death of kakashi ...i ythink this is still a possibility but the fact is that we have seen the hokages to put their life in the line to save the village and the village members so i doubt that tsunade will let kakashi die in front of her ...remember the sandaime and yondaime ....she will obviously sacrifice herself to protect the younger ones and then her "will of fire " will be carried out by kakashi or any other suitable shinobi ...........

although sasuke has been on a killing spree, i dont think he's done yet, actually it makes it more likely that it will be him. but your last statment, "put your life on the line for the village" is what makes me believe more than anything else that it will be sasuke that kills her. pein is there to get naruto, not destroy the village, he will leave when he gets the info he wants. sasuke is coming to konoha to destroy the village thus she would have to put her life on the line to protect the village. super regeneration v ama...

[Delbi]

Pain's entire philosophy is to captre the tailed beasts so he can create a weapon of mass destruction so that there will never be war again. He'd test the power of the weapon so the shinobi nations would stop fighting. Remeber, the Rain village was orginally a battle ground for the five great shinobi nations because its right in the middle.

He isn't out to destroy Kohona, he merely went there to find out where Naruto is so he could capture him.

Could he kill Tsuande? It's a possibilty, he is most certainly capable, seeing as how he killed Jiriaya, and he is stronger than Tsuande, there really shouldn't be an argument about that.

Sasuke killing Tsuande? I doubt it, because I think he would get pwned. I could certainly see him kill the coucil though, as that was his original plan. And, I think he lied to Madara not to Hawk. During the fight scene with Bee, he had a flashback moment, and its obvious he values the friendship he has made with Hawk more than his alliance with Madara.

So, whats going to happen? A lot more destruction is going to take place, and someone significant, probably Tsuande is going to face off against Pain.

[TheOneElectric]

telling the people who work for you your plans versus telling your sensei who is your enemy your ideals/goals? the biju's become a weapon for peins' world domination plan

Hmmm tell a money hungry old guy that you want to bring peace to the world or tell the most respected human you ever knew who you were about to kill the truth.


I beleive any day that he would tell Jiraiya the truth before he even bothered informing Hidan of the near truth.

[Kabuto]

I cant remember who posted it but chapters ago before pein even said he was going to invade konoha someone said they hope he he attacks and kills off the hokage. Whos ever random idea that was might be right after all. Its awesome to see the senseless attacking going on to be honest it seems animal pein and that other one who fires penis shaped missles are just enjoying the utter chaos. This next chapter hopefully shows off that other 2 peins abilities we havnt seen.

[bharatsriv]

although sasuke has been on a killing spree, i dont think he's done yet, actually it makes it more likely that it will be him. but your last statment, "put your life on the line for the village" is what makes me believe more than anything else that it will be sasuke that kills her. pein is there to get naruto, not destroy the village, he will leave when he gets the info he wants. sasuke is coming to konoha to destroy the village thus she would have to put her life on the line to protect the village. super regeneration v ama...

do u think that pain will just leave after he has shown us some wonderful trailer of his powers...he will do some major damages ...and even if he stays there for 30 minutes konoha will be in tight spot ..and do u think that tsunade will just wait and watch ...will she allow pain the killer of JMAN to leave konoha unharmed ....till now she might have got the intel that pain is in konoha ...and iam pretty sure that she will rush to the battle front without further ado ...precisely because she is the hokage and she will put her life in the line ...she has to fight pain ....not because she is ahokage but also for jman sake and the biggest reason is that she knows that pain will go after naruto and she loves narutio like her lover dan and her brother (forgot his name ) .for her naruto is more precious than anything else and she will fight him because he is a danger for naruto ...and this is for sure
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I cant remember who posted it but chapters ago before pein even said he was going to invade konoha someone said they hope he he attacks and kills off the hokage. Whos ever random idea that was might be right after all. Its awesome to see the senseless attacking going on to be honest it seems animal pein and that other one who fires penis shaped missles are just enjoying the utter chaos. This next chapter hopefully shows off that other 2 peins abilities we havnt seen.

hey kabuto .....u forgot the awesome power of the human ralm pain ...i have never seen so awesome power ...sucking the soul out ....man that is awesome ....and we still do not know what the deva realm pain can do ....i think his power will be godly (we have already seen soul sucking ) .....so pain will be there and he will rock thats for sure ......................

[Kabuto]

Pain's entire philosophy is to captre the tailed beasts so he can create a weapon of mass destruction so that there will never be war again. He'd test the power of the weapon so the shinobi nations would stop fighting. Remeber, the Rain village was orginally a battle ground for the five great shinobi nations because its right in the middle.

He isn't out to destroy Kohona, he merely went there to find out where Naruto is so he could capture him.

Could he kill Tsuande? It's a possibilty, he is most certainly capable, seeing as how he killed Jiriaya, and he is stronger than Tsuande, there really shouldn't be an argument about that.

Sasuke killing Tsuande? I doubt it, because I think he would get pwned. I could certainly see him kill the coucil though, as that was his original plan. And, I think he lied to Madara not to Hawk. During the fight scene with Bee, he had a flashback moment, and its obvious he values the friendship he has made with Hawk more than his alliance with Madara.

So, whats going to happen? A lot more destruction is going to take place, and someone significant, probably Tsuande is going to face off against Pain.


I beg to differ Tsunade would be puddy in Sasukes hands. We've seen everything shes capable of doing literally during her fight with Orochimaru. We knows she has a ridiculous amount of stamina and has herculean strength and her reverse seal mitotic regeneration is her ultimate jutsu. Anyone arguing she has more up her sleeve I doubt it, big titted usless village leader, if Pein doesnt kill her I hope sasuke does and if Sasuke doesnt maybe ten ten will.
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hey kabuto .....u forgot the awesome power of the human ralm pain ...i have never seen so awesome power ...sucking the soul out ....man that is awesome ....and we still do not know what the deva realm pain can do ....i think his power will be godly (we have already seen soul sucking ) .....so pain will be there and he will rock thats for sure ......................

True yeah that is a pretty wicked power if your oppenent is weak like man the leaf village loses so many shinobi i mean wtf when oro came chunin exams time sooooo many were apparently killed tsunade said so herself i mean seriously. But the soul sucking think is cool, I wonder if what he does to it after, my guess put the human soul in a cat.... or a shoe doesnt make much sense but summoning animals doesnt either

[HPTR Fangirl]

Pain's entire philosophy is to captre the tailed beasts so he can create a weapon of mass destruction so that there will never be war again. He'd test the power of the weapon so the shinobi nations would stop fighting. Remeber, the Rain village was orginally a battle ground for the five great shinobi nations because its right in the middle.

He isn't out to destroy Kohona, he merely went there to find out where Naruto is so he could capture him.

Could he kill Tsuande? It's a possibilty, he is most certainly capable, seeing as how he killed Jiriaya, and he is stronger than Tsuande, there really shouldn't be an argument about that.

Sasuke killing Tsuande? I doubt it, because I think he would get pwned. I could certainly see him kill the coucil though, as that was his original plan. And, I think he lied to Madara not to Hawk. During the fight scene with Bee, he had a flashback moment, and its obvious he values the friendship he has made with Hawk more than his alliance with Madara.

So, whats going to happen? A lot more destruction is going to take place, and someone significant, probably Tsuande is going to face off against Pain.

I agree Konoha is going to be the battle ground for some serious war, and we will what happens the powerful and somewhat peace-promoting village does when it's provoked by the enemy nation.

During the first arc Sound, Wind vs Konoha was shown as a battle of peaceful country vs enemy country (that had no good reputations, especially Sound). But this time, Konoha has also been showed with its dark side. So its a battle between darkside Konoha vs Darkside villains? And whicg darkside comes out as victorious.

And I think Madara will be the one to kill Tsunade because he has the biggest enemity with the Senju clan. Though Sasuke counts as the second though.

[snowdog]

although sasuke has been on a killing spree, i dont think he's done yet, actually it makes it more likely that it will be him. but your last statment, "put your life on the line for the village" is what makes me believe more than anything else that it will be sasuke that kills her. pein is there to get naruto, not destroy the village, he will leave when he gets the info he wants. sasuke is coming to konoha to destroy the village thus she would have to put her life on the line to protect the village. super regeneration v ama...


more like sasuke is on an injury spree hehe.

[bharatsriv]

I beg to differ Tsunade would be puddy in Sasukes hands. We've seen everything shes capable of doing literally during her fight with Orochimaru. We knows she has a ridiculous amount of stamina and has herculean strength and her reverse seal mitotic regeneration is her ultimate jutsu. Anyone arguing she has more up her sleeve I doubt it, big titted usless village leader, if Pein doesnt kill her I hope sasuke does and if Sasuke doesnt maybe ten ten will.
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i support the ten ten thing .....may be she will be the one to kill pain ...:p

[bennibb]

Its true.. that due to Tsuande beeing Hashiramas grand daughter... Madara has a bigger grudge and historical grounds on killing her. But when she dies... I still thinik Danzou is gonna have a finger in the game. Either by beeing pasive... or ploting against here with the killer him or herself

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I don't see Tsunade dying by Pein's hand(or Sasuke hand either). I think Madara will be the one to kill Tsunade. Pein already kill one Sannin, i don't see him killing another one.

[bennibb]

hehe yea.. and Sasuke has killed one... (wel itachi did it, but Sasuke had a big hand in that to) So that leaves Madara... poor Madara... you cant call yourself a S-rank before you have killed a Sannin

[bharatsriv]

I don't see Tsunade dying by Pein's hand(or Sasuke hand either). I think Madara will be the one to kill Tsunade. Pein already kill one Sannin, i don't see him killing another one.

then what do u think will pain do ....will he just kill the fodder ninja and leave ..sying to tsunade --bitch ..madara will screw u ....:mad you guys are seriously underestimating pain .....he will certainly kill an important ninja and i bet that ..it is tsunade

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

then what do u think will pain do ....will he just kill the fodder ninja and leave ..sying to tsunade --bitch ..madara will screw u ....:mad you guys are seriously underestimating pain .....he will certainly kill an important ninja and i bet that ..it is tsunade

Read and Understand. I never said that all Pein will do is defeat fodder ninja or that he wouldn't kill an important ninja, all i said is that he wouldn't kill Tsunade. I don't exactly see how saying he wouldn't be the one to kill Tsunade is underestimating him.

[GOOMOONRYONG]

nice chapter indeed.
Some people said that they saw konan summoned. but i see a dark something that could be part of akatsuki robe. there are also just 6 shadows scattering.

I think I realised something about pains ability to revive dead realms.
If the dead body is taken away, then maybe pain is not able to revive it, otherwise would the realm killed by the j-man barrier be revived so that the frog could not take it to konoha, wouldn't it? - or was it just too damaged by the barrier?(no legs i guess)

about that konan yahiko nagato thing. i don't really see through this, guess we don't have enough infos about what happened after j-man left to call konan the true pain or nagato or yahiko.

that byakugan ability was very nice. also the infiltration tactic. wonder what happens in the next chapt.

keep your eyes open
Muh

Konan was summoned is you look to the left of hungry ghost realms arm you see her head and the paper flower in her hair ziiiiing :p

[Yamamoto Genryuusa]

Alright I got two theories, the first being that nagato is mask wearin ho tobi, I think kishi might have foreshadowed that with this picture http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/04/ , my second being that guy will release the 8 inner gates to fight pein killing himself in the process. Who knows maybe I'll get lucky and finally have one come true.

[Huey Freeman]

Alright I got two theories, the first being that nagato is mask wearin ho tobi, I think kishi might have foreshadowed that with this picture http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/04/ , my second being that guy will release the 8 inner gates to fight pein killing himself in the process. Who knows maybe I'll get lucky and finally have one come true.

How does that foreshadow Pain as Nagato as Tobi???? Pain as Nagato has certainly been alluded to heavily in my opinion, but I see no connection to Madara.
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Glad to see more people are becoming aware of the power of Ten Ten!

[pranabowjake]

You know what is making me laugh after reading the entire depressing violent chapter. Few chapters back when Pain was preparing to go to Konoha to capture Kyuubi. Madara warned him about Naruto, to not to underestimate him and having a lot of allies. He also warned Pain that failure will not be tolerated from the Akatsuki leader (something like that), and here Madara's newly subordinate messes in capturing Hachibi, when he vouched for him in front of Pain and Konan. How do you think Pain will take this failure?:D

The White Zetsu's "It'a a tentacle" and Kisame's "Looks like Sasuke-kun messed up" were epic classic lines just brought down the entire house. Instead of seeing a dready dark Akatsuki layer, it ended up becoming a joke house. :loool:Haha



I agree The Adamant Dragon. There will always be someone better and more powerful than you. it's a given fact after that is how anyone / in case of Narutoverse, next generation, will surpass the previous.



Need to read vol 31. I only know that Sasori particiapted in the murders of the previous 3 kazekages up till this far.



As b e a n states, there is a easy to do things and hard way to do things. Easy way results in terror, ninja world war 4, violence, meaningless death and destruction -- Pain (and somewhat Madara's) way. Hard way is going to be Naruto's way -- by creating bonds and trust among both friends and enemies alike.

technically he only helped to kill 3 and 5. 4 was oro

[Montai]

I beg to differ Tsunade would be puddy in Sasukes hands. We've seen everything shes capable of doing literally during her fight with Orochimaru. We knows she has a ridiculous amount of stamina and has herculean strength and her reverse seal mitotic regeneration is her ultimate jutsu. Anyone arguing she has more up her sleeve I doubt it, big titted usless village leader, if Pein doesnt kill her I hope sasuke does and if Sasuke doesnt maybe ten ten will.
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True yeah that is a pretty wicked power if your oppenent is weak like man the leaf village loses so many shinobi i mean wtf when oro came chunin exams time sooooo many were apparently killed tsunade said so herself i mean seriously. But the soul sucking think is cool, I wonder if what he does to it after, my guess put the human soul in a cat.... or a shoe doesnt make much sense but summoning animals doesnt either

The same thing could be said about Jiraiya just by judging from that battle alone. Just give kishimoto the chance to show us what Tsunade can do. Please quit judging her just for one battle. Know one here really knows Tsunade, so I don't anyone should be saying anything like that. If Jiraiya had/had faith in her, then I think that we should.

[craig]

I cant remember who posted it but chapters ago before pein even said he was going to invade konoha someone said they hope he he attacks and kills off the hokage. Whos ever random idea that was might be right after all.

Might've been me - I'll check my old posts. As much as I think she's gonna die, I'm interested to see what kind of tricks she pulls out of the bag before she does. Jiraiya pulled out some cool shit before he died, so it's only fair she does a few cool things as well. I have a feeling she'll take out at least one of the bodies and then die defending someone / some group from another body.

Just a hunch.

*edit* I had issued a bet back in July on how many chapters it takes for her to die, but didn't specifically mention Pain. My bet was 23 chapters after 408 sooo let's see if she dies by 431. - http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=942350#post942350

[pranabowjake]

Hmmm tell a money hungry old guy that you want to bring peace to the world or tell the most respected human you ever knew who you were about to kill the truth.


I beleive any day that he would tell Jiraiya the truth before he even bothered informing Hidan of the near truth.

sorry for the late response, but youve mixed up hidan and kakuzu
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as i said i still believe it will be sasuke who kills her based on everyones agendas. i doubt ein will try and erase all the evidence he was there because that will push more towards giving away his secrets rather than his goals

[TheOneElectric]

sorry for the late response, but youve mixed up hidan and kakuzu
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as i said i still believe it will be sasuke who kills her based on everyones agendas. i doubt ein will try and erase all the evidence he was there because that will push more towards giving away his secrets rather than his goals

oops. I always do that. Those two. Ok change my example to a bloodthirsty retard or your most respected sensei?

[Fallen.]

Might've been me - I'll check my old posts. As much as I think she's gonna die, I'm interested to see what kind of tricks she pulls out of the bag before she does. Jiraiya pulled out some cool shit before he died, so it's only fair she does a few cool things as well. I have a feeling she'll take out at least one of the bodies and then die defending someone / some group from another body.

Just a hunch.

*edit* I had issued a bet back in July on how many chapters it takes for her to die, but didn't specifically mention Pain. My bet was 23 chapters after 408 sooo let's see if she dies by 431. - http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=942350#post942350



Yea haha that was my idea lol :P , since jiraiya has died and so have most of the teachers,sakura need's some kind of character growth and I see tsunades death giving her that .

[segua]

I doubt Sasuke could whoop Tsunade's butt. It's the whole Uchiha v Senju all over again. Ask yourself, who did Tsunade's grandfather whooped again? Also, Sasuke isn't even half the Uchiha Madara is; for that matter even half his own brother.

[Andonan]

So I have a new theory, I was re-watching all the old episode of Shippuuden and I think Kishi gave a big clue, when Konoharmaru says that naruto will be the 6th Hokage and he will be the 7th.....What I mean is, I believe this to be true, I think Naruto will be the 6th BUT! I also believe that Tsunade is going to die, and soon.....Now it has been commented that Kakashi would be fit to be Hokage before Naruto, and that could happen, but what if WHAT IF, Naruto comes back, defeats Pein (who runs off, after being weakened with a fight with Tsunade) and Naruto saves the day, but not before Tsunade dies......I wouldn't be suprised if Naruto would become Hokage straight away.....I mean I think Sage training is going to put Naruto on Sannin level or higher, I think there could be a very slim chance VERY VERY SLIM that Naruto becomes Hokage fairly soon. I mean it would be totally unexpected, because we all believe that that will be the end of the series, but I could see this happening.....Plus it would be cool to see the expression on Sasuke's face when he learns that Naruto beat Pein and is now Hokage LOL

I know I seroiusly doubt this will happen, but its fun to predict :P

[Kabuto]

Man I would be surprised/ happy as fuck if sasuke was in this chapter. I used to hate seeing himso much but pein is kinda boring me now, if he doesnt kill someone next chapter im on the sasuke arrival band wagon. I would like to see sasuke confront Danzo and either A) they fight or B) Danzo commits suicide. That would be so sweet.
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So I have a new theory, I was re-watching all the old episode of Shippuuden and I think Kishi gave a big clue, when Konoharmaru says that naruto will be the 6th Hokage and he will be the 7th.....What I mean is, I believe this to be true, I think Naruto will be the 6th BUT! I also believe that Tsunade is going to die, and soon.....Now it has been commented that Kakashi would be fit to be Hokage before Naruto, and that could happen, but what if WHAT IF, Naruto comes back, defeats Pein (who runs off, after being weakened with a fight with Tsunade) and Naruto saves the day, but not before Tsunade dies......I wouldn't be suprised if Naruto would become Hokage straight away.....I mean I think Sage training is going to put Naruto on Sannin level or higher, I think there could be a very slim chance VERY VERY SLIM that Naruto becomes Hokage fairly soon. I mean it would be totally unexpected, because we all believe that that will be the end of the series, but I could see this happening.....Plus it would be cool to see the expression on Sasuke's face when he learns that Naruto beat Pein and is now Hokage LOL

I know I seroiusly doubt this will happen, but its fun to predict :P


You could be right cause every hokage has a connection to the one after. After the first hokage was his brother the second hokage. The second hokage taught the 3rd hokage. Jaryiah who studied under the third, student (minato) became the forth, he died etc etc 3rd went back as hokage died then tsunade became hokage who studied under the 4th. Kakashi studied under the 4th, kishi has made this little pattern clear that every future hokage studies under one or is trained by someone who was taught by a hokage.

[Narrik]

For me there r 2 options...
1 that suckers from raikage came and tsunade had to leave all ready for that council or what...
or the council already began in konoha so it will look like 6 hokages vs 6 pains
if that's true that woulb be nice:D

[LJkAze]

I KNEW IT, I knew all along that Killer Bee wouldn't get caught so easily. I think he going to teach Naruto how to control the Kyuubi Power so once Naruto is capable he can use that key that his father and Jiraiya left for him ^_^. Sage Power + Kyuubi power will own; hmm I have a hunch that Tsunade will die soon T_T

[Nadim]

For me there r 2 options...
1 that suckers from raikage came and tsunade had to leave all ready for that council or what...
or the council already began in konoha so it will look like 6 hokages vs 6 pains
if that's true that woulb be nice:D

not really since mizukage is none else then Mr. UCHIcuchiHA Madara :D

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

So I have a new theory, I was re-watching all the old episode of Shippuuden and I think Kishi gave a big clue, when Konoharmaru says that naruto will be the 6th Hokage and he will be the 7th.....What I mean is, I believe this to be true, I think Naruto will be the 6th BUT! I also believe that Tsunade is going to die, and soon.....Now it has been commented that Kakashi would be fit to be Hokage before Naruto, and that could happen, but what if WHAT IF, Naruto comes back, defeats Pein (who runs off, after being weakened with a fight with Tsunade) and Naruto saves the day, but not before Tsunade dies......I wouldn't be suprised if Naruto would become Hokage straight away.....I mean I think Sage training is going to put Naruto on Sannin level or higher, I think there could be a very slim chance VERY VERY SLIM that Naruto becomes Hokage fairly soon. I mean it would be totally unexpected, because we all believe that that will be the end of the series, but I could see this happening.....Plus it would be cool to see the expression on Sasuke's face when he learns that Naruto beat Pein and is now Hokage LOL

I know I seroiusly doubt this will happen, but its fun to predict :P

Sorry to bust your bubble, but i believe that only happen in the anime. I going to check right now.

[Sakura no Hana]

Hmmm, I dont think so! 8th-tails's not a man who like to drag on other's work. Hihi, he just wanna sing his song ..lol...^^. Maybe, Naruto can control Kyuubi's chakra but dont relate with 8th-tails ^^
btw, Tsunade won't die (I just hope) ^^

[Uchiha-Itachi]

For me there r 2 options...
1 that suckers from raikage came and tsunade had to leave all ready for that council or what...
or the council already began in konoha so it will look like 6 hokages vs 6 pains
if that's true that woulb be nice:D

I think that won't really happen since we saw Pein attacks Konoha in the last chapter and the Raikage is still in his own village giving out orders ^^

[Narrik]

I think that won't really happen since we saw Pein attacks Konoha in the last chapter and the Raikage is still in his own village giving out orders ^^


well maybe.... or tsunade will die naruto will become hokage and on that council we will see him with gaarra protecting sasuke.... with tobi who wont be recognized by themxD

or more possible kakashi will become hokage...and he will meet tobi.... without mask and realise he knew him from somewhereXD or no>.> i dunno

[Jaime F.]

Man I would be surprised/ happy as fuck if sasuke was in this chapter. I used to hate seeing himso much but pein is kinda boring me now, if he doesnt kill someone next chapter im on the sasuke arrival band wagon. I would like to see sasuke confront Danzo and either A) they fight or B) Danzo commits suicide. That would be so sweet.
<hr noshade size="1"> Didn't Pain kill somebody already? In the last chapter the human realm Pain, rip's the soul out of that random Konoha ninja's body. I think it happens on page 8. The poor guy, I feel sorry for him. Getting your soul ripped out of your body, unexpectedly, is a horrible way to die.



You could be right cause every hokage has a connection to the one after. After the first hokage was his brother the second hokage. The second hokage taught the 3rd hokage. Jaryiah who studied under the third, student (minato) became the forth, he died etc etc 3rd went back as hokage died then tsunade became hokage who studied under the 4th. Kakashi studied under the 4th, kishi has made this little pattern clear that every future hokage studies under one or is trained by someone who was taught by a hokage.

Good point, but the 4th hokage, Namikaze Minato, was not Tsunade's sensei. Tsunade studied under the 3rd hokage, just like Orochimaru, and Jiraiya did. You said, "then Tsunade became hokage who studied under the 4th," so either you accidently made a mistake, or you don't know your Konoha history very well. I'm hoping it's the first possibility, because if not, you have a lot of reading to do.

[fujiman]

During the figth with sasuke one of the tail was cut thats the one that hachibi emerge out of not the one that fell of at the akkatsuki lair.the tentacle at the lair was just a transformation jutsu

[segua]

There are five kages. How many Akatsuki are there? Pein (6), Konan, Madara, Zetsu, Kisame, Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, and Juugo. So nine Akatsuki members. I'm sure the five Kages will pair off respectedly against Pein, Konan, Madara, Zetsu and Kisame.

You got to consider whether there is a new Mizukage or is Madara still currently the Mizukage. If that's so, then it'll be 4 kages versus possibly Pein, Konan, Madara, Zetsu and Kisame.

Anyway, I was thinking when Killer Bee was singing enka if he was refering to the song Oh! Enka which is sung by Naruto's and Akamaru's voice actress, Junko Takeuchi. Yet, it seems that enka is a type of Japanese music. Looking up Sabu, I stumbled upon a Japanese director, Hiroyuki Tanaka, whose psuedonym is Sabu. Then, I found another Sabu who was a wrestler. The latter seemed to have wrestled in Japan. So if Killer Bee is going to visit Sabu and the Enka ninjas, maybe this Sabu of the Enka ninja is a wrestler who is a leader of a bunch of ninjas that like enka music.

[Narrik]

There are five kages. How many Akatsuki are there? Pein (6), Konan, Madara, Zetsu, Kisame, Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, and Juugo. So nine Akatsuki members. I'm sure the five Kages will pair off respectedly against Pein, Konan, Madara, Zetsu and Kisame.

You got to consider whether there is a new Mizukage or is Madara still currently the Mizukage. If that's so, then it'll be 4 kages versus possibly Pein, Konan, Madara, Zetsu and Kisame.

Anyway, I was thinking when Killer Bee was singing enka if he was refering to the song Oh! Enka which is sung by Naruto's and Akamaru's voice actress, Junko Takeuchi. Yet, it seems that enka is a type of Japanese music. Looking up Sabu, I stumbled upon a Japanese director, Hiroyuki Tanaka, whose psuedonym is Sabu. Then, I found another Sabu who was a wrestler. The latter seemed to have wrestled in Japan. So if Killer Bee is going to visit Sabu and the Enka ninjas, maybe this Sabu of the Enka ninja is a wrestler who is a leader of a bunch of ninjas that like enka music.


sabu kinda suxed in wwe:D well he definitely wasn't from japan... i think he just chosed random name...

[segua]

sabu kinda suxed in wwe:D well he definitely wasn't from japan... i think he just chosed random name...

I used to watch WWF and WCW all the time during the nineties with my grandfather, may God bless his soul. Though now, I don't follow that crap anymore.

I was just wondering if Kishi might be a fan of wrestling. I don't think Kishi is the type of person to just randomly name a character without having some sort of meaning to it. I'll suppose we'll see.

Could it be a burly man that likes to dress up as a woman?

[Narrik]

I used to watch WWF and WCW all the time during the nineties with my grandfather, may God bless his soul. Though now, I don't follow that crap anymore.

I was just wondering if Kishi might be a fan of wrestling. I don't think Kishi is the type of person to just randomly name a character without having some sort of meaning to it. I'll suppose we'll see.

Could it be a burly man that likes to dress up as a woman?


well i dont think he is fanxD it's kinda though to be fan to wwe nowadays maybe it will have diferent meaning:D

[segua]

well i dont think he is fanxD it's kinda though to be fan to wwe nowadays maybe it will have diferent meaning:D

Maybe Sabu refers to a person like Saburō Kitajima who was also a great enka singer. Or rather, it could refer to a character that Saburo Kitajima played in the series Abarenbo Shogun called Tatsugoro. Tastsugoro was a fiercely loyal yet benevolent person. Tastugoro was also a fire captain. So maybe it's an enka ninja who specialized in fire prevention techniques who also use enka music for genjutsu. Okay, that's a little carried away lol.

[gold349]

it sounds as konoha- most of its nins are starting to notice the arrival of Pain, sounds about right but I'll wait for an expert to translate it but at moment it fits, should be a good chapter were kishi moves all he pieces on to the field slowly.

edit: tsumade calling back naruto I just can't see that yet.

[Bucks]

I think it is a fake.

I do want to see some more Naruto in this.

Frog-fu is bound to be awesome. Pein ripping Konoha to pieces is awesome as well.


The risk thing is annoying. Just once I want to have a technique from Naruto that doesn't have a risk.

[The Closet Pervert]

Heh, while I won't believe that until I see some pictures, I have to admit those spoilers are more fun to read than the usual fakes!

[segua]

Sounds like Konoha is starting to prepare a counter to Pein's little incursion upon Konoha.

[Daneb]

if it´s true, than tsunade is a dump person,....to order naruto back.OMG
y ofc, give the enemy what he wants^^

[Atemu]

I hope this spoiler is fake. Don't like the think about risk in senjutsu

[neomaster121]

i hate these spoilers

the 5th changed her tune from the last time naruto was training, naruto is forced to go jiraiyas route which seems completly backwards

the whole spoiler just seems bad to me but i have some gut feeling telling me its true. I can't see how i will like some parts of this chapter if this is a true spoiler

[Atemu]

if it´s true, than tsunade is a dump person,....to order naruto back.OMG
y ofc, give the enemy what he wants^^

right about that. if i was tsunade i would definitely keep naruto far away konoha.

[Arashi Sendo]

cripes, I hope we won't have to endure pa-frog sitting on Naruto's shoulder whenever he goes into badass sennin mode. I don't know if it's fake or real, I just HOPE it's fake.

[segua]

How could the person that is supposedly being probed by Ino's dad, dead? The guy was captured by Jiraiya and turned into a frog/toad; most likely a frog.

As for the black objects being conductors? I don't think thats the right terminology for it. Anyone familiar with electrical or engineering jargons?

Also, before Jiraiya summoned Pa and Ma, wasn't Jiraiya still ontop Gamaken? Jiraiya must've been gathering sage chakra. So to utilize sage chakra, you got to gather it before hand while being still, but once you gather it, you should have quite an abundance with you for a specific time period. Since Naruto seems to have mastered the art of gathering sage chakra without the danger of turning into a frog/toad, Naruto should be safe without the need of Pa Toad right?

[guesswho]

This spoiler does not sound believable. All of a sudden every Pein can make something extra-ordinary, if so, then why the hell didn't they use those things in a fight against Jiraiya. And Tsunade calling Naruto back just so that Pein can capture him. And finally isn't this thing Naruto is training the same thing Jiraiya used in a fight against Pein? Well, didn't see him standing still from the moment he said he was going to use it to the moment he was the froggy-like(ok dunno if he were completely still in the dark but anyhoo). Or maybe I'm just hoping(and making excuses) it's not real because it would really suck :p

[Atemu]

cripes, I hope we won't have to endure pa-frog sitting on Naruto's shoulder whenever he goes into badass sennin mode. I don't know if it's fake or real, I just HOPE it's fake.

You know we haven't seen how much naruto's summoning have enhanced since the 1 part of the manga. I will be cool seeing naruto summoning frogs in battle much more, but there is something i don't understand about the spoiler.

How can having foku on naruto's shoulder change thing?. He still needs to stand still to go into sage mode?

[The Closet Pervert]

Well, all fakes have incommon that they don't provide any new information. Just like this one.

Beams and chakra conductors aren't so imaginitive.

And hah, unless you remember Jiraya DID stand still in combat with Pain. Jiraya just stood on top of a summoned toad. DEFENSIVE toad that he looks like to have summoned specifically for delaying and keeping Pain off. The elder toads were there to control nature chakra (you saw how toad-like Jiraya came?).

No need to get exited :)

[binkansarariman]

if it´s true, than tsunade is a dump person,....to order naruto back.OMG
y ofc, give the enemy what he wants^^

true,... why should she give away the subject that Pein REALLY are looking for? If the spoiler is true, then she must have the right reason to do so... perhaps she has a big faith in naruto capabilities(based on previous akatsuki related missions).. but i think tsunade used to say to shizune that its no point of hiding naruto, because the akatsuki is comprised of some crazy S class nins or even crazier than that level. So its a no problem situation for them to track naruto down. So instead of hiding him, tsunade believes in grooming naruto to be a strong shinobi- whether with his jinchuuriki power or on his power alone..

[Daneb]

cripes, I hope we won't have to endure pa-frog sitting on Naruto's shoulder whenever he goes into badass sennin mode. I don't know if it's fake or real, I just HOPE it's fake.

yeah, your right, it would be ..just lame, fukasaku told hisself that he has more talent in sage arts than jiraya, and jiraya just need help to balance sage chakra (and still turn a bit in a frog). So wheres the matter of helping naruto with balance,...and stay still? hmm i dont remeber jiraya stand stilll against pain before and after gaining sage chakra.....

but the rest is interesting and i hope its true,..just the think with sage and tsunade shall be fake :P

[Ichibugen]

I put spoiler pics up.

[segua]

Well, all fakes have incommon that they don't provide any new information. Just like this one.

Beams and chakra conductors aren't so imaginitive.

And hah, unless you remember Jiraya DID stand still in combat with Pain. Jiraya just stood on top of a summoned toad. DEFENSIVE toad that he looks like to have summoned specifically for delaying and keeping Pain off. The elder toads were there to control nature chakra (you saw how toad-like Jiraya came?).

No need to get exited :)

You're right about the Jiraiya part on top the toad. You could stand still but you need support cover.

Well seems like they got links to pics to confirm it. Anyway, it would make sense if those black objects have some sort of connection to how chakra flows because when Jiraiya was stabbed by the Fuuma-Pein, his chakra started going crazy.

So in a way, those black objects do have some sort of connection to chakra. Also recall Asuma's talk about how his blades were metal made specifically to channel chakra? Pein's black objects could be made to channel chakra or conduct chakra. So that means that a similar material might be used to make both?

[The Closet Pervert]

Whoa, I take it back. Looks like Pain *is*...uhmm.....wait. Frog Naruto? Huh? I'm totally confused now.

But the Iruka + Kakashi vs Yahikopain seems like awesome!

[jocouslie]

it is indeed awesome! finally it's time for some showdown!

[segua]

Actually, Naruto might need Pa Toad due to Naruto's lack of experience with the use of senjutsu. Naruto might be able to gather natural chakra but using them in battle could be tough and might endanger Naruto. Recall Jiraiya's fight? As the fighting prolonged itself or intensififed, Jiraiya started looking more like a frog.

The difference between Jiraiya and Naruto, Jiraiya has more experience using senjutsu than Naruto. Also, Pa Toad is a seasoned warrior. Pa Toad's help will be crucial in addition to being one of two beings still alive to have actual combat experience against Pein.

[Jye24_Nindo]

In the pics you see Tsunade reflecting on her old boyfriend and her little brother and Jiraiya. And she is reflecting on what Pa toad said about Naruto being the destined child. It seems to me she is calling back Naruto because she has ultimate faith that he is the only one who can defeat Pein. (which is true).

It may seem foolish and naive but it is the truth. I have a feeling that I will have to copy+paste this reponse many times this week but I think this is the best explanation for Tsunade's decision to call Naruto.

[wendigo2k]

oO Pain = One Man Army
oO omg poor kakashi,iruka...
oO woot hinata, shino, kiba, chouji!
hehe as I predicted the black metal is made for storing chakra...
what? why the hell does pa frog have to stay in naruto?... please only for the first time using senjutsu...naruto could always have one clone hidden who starts senjutsu...
what? why the hell does Tsunade want naruto to return?... unpredictable what will happen to
naruto then...
what? why does naruto need look totally ugly as a frog?... well dunno what that picture is atm
anyway...

[jocouslie]

spoiler pics is just awesome, showing us the jinchuurikis ^_^ anyway i think kakashi will put up a good fight with pain and hopefully we'll get a chance to see some of iruka's techniques.

[binkansarariman]

wohoo... a poster of all jinchuurikis?! n that's really cool stuff. so the spoiler is true.. thnx

[Daneb]

tsunade really gonna order naruto back,.....
i dont understand this,....dan and his little brother in a flashback ,....and still wanna order naruto back,..häääää

[Jye24_Nindo]

Also, in the spoiler pic Naruto is in his jumpsuit again. Has there been a timeskip? Maybe he's already learned the toad-fu and is rdy to go back to Konoha.
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tsunade really gonna order naruto back,.....
i dont understand this,....dan and his little brother in a flashback ,....and still wanna order naruto back,..häääää

She knows Naruto is the destined child and the only one that can defeat Pein.

[segua]

I wonder if there is a time difference between being on the mountain and outside the mountain? Such as does time move faster on the mountain as opposed to outside? Hyperbolic Time Mountain anyone? Just a thought.

Question: Why is there a girl claiming to be the Jinchuuriki for the Sanbi? Wasn't the Sanbi without a Jinchuuriki and just a wild beast?

[Daneb]

dont think that he alrdy learn everthink but hey, it also would be true, now im excited^^ cant wwait till friday^^

btw,1: i think kakashi will get one body and the others (shino hina ino etc) will get at least one or 2 bodys,....tsuna ofc get 1 and the rest belongs to naruto

or 2: Kakashi get killed and the "new generation" have to handle the situation

or 3: naruto showdown,....own pain with help (just like the fight vs kakuzu)

[Atemu]

Naruto turned in to frog? why what is going on here?

[Suzaku]

I think the point is that the toad can sit perfectly still to gather the chakra so Naruto doesn't have to, or something along those lines.

The cover/poster deal is awesome. So many cool-looking Jinchuuriki. You can see they're all holding up fingers showing which Bijuu they had (Naruto is holding up 9, Gaara 1, Killerbee 8, and so on). I guess that means the Sanbi apparantly had a Jinchuuriki at some point, since the kid on the far left is holding up three fingers. Can't wait to get that art in higher quality.

[wendigo2k]

I wonder if there is a time difference between being on the mountain and outside the mountain? Such as does time move faster on the mountain as opposed to outside? Hyperbolic Time Mountain anyone? Just a thought.
Question: Why is there a girl claiming to be the Jinchuuriki for the Sanbi? Wasn't the Sanbi without a Jinchuuriki and just a wild beast?

I also thought about different timespeeds...maybe it will happen...could be some suprise

Dunno about the sanbi jinchuuriki but there are only eight people on the picture arent there? maybe we dont see his other fingers? dunno what that thing left on the picture is...

well anyway, does anyone have an idea why kishi designes all the Jinchuuriki if they have no opportunity to fit into the storyline of the manga?

[Daneb]

I wonder if there is a time difference between being on the mountain and outside the mountain? Such as does time move faster on the mountain as opposed to outside? Hyperbolic Time Mountain anyone? Just a thought.


yes, sometimes i thought of somethink like that too.Its just the room in DBZ (i dont like compare DBZ and Naruto but...)the room of spirit and time?`(dont know the right translation,...i only read it in german=)

this would explain the "fast" develope of naruto

i rather think that there were some other difference. just as fukasaku said that the frog oil will dissapear if naruto take it with him outside the mountaiin,...maybe it is more difficult to gain sage chakra outside?

[Zibi234]

The naruto-frog its "what will happen if..." Pa-frog says that in battle there is no time to sit stil and accumulate nature chakra so pa-frog needs to sit at one of narutos shoulders to speed up the effect and make sure naruto wont turn into a frog (just like jiraya fighting pain... but jiraya had less control of nature chakra than naruto since he had some slighest frog changes naruto at the training had none [only the eyes left as they should] )


But man its so damn nice to see all demon hosts ^^ yet I kinda feel sad that we didnt saw them in combat or in some chatpers like character intoducing... yet we see them after they are dead (besides garra).... but what number is that Big right page side guy ?? (4 ??)

I can see clearly that from left to right is (3,2,1,9,8,7,6 tails) and so the left guy could be 5tails and right 4 tails..... I wodner if there are other girls-hosts besides nr2...


Hmm I cant understand Tsunades idea to bring naruto back while pain is in the city.... is she going to give naruto out as the last resort to save civilians... if there is no other option...

[Atemu]

I think the point is that the toad can sit perfectly still to gather the chakra so Naruto doesn't have to, or something along those lines.



maybe you are right, but i also think the frog is for distraction.

[gold349]

I think that pic of Maruto turning frog is him imagining not getting senjutsu right in battle. Fuakasku seems will be sitting on his shoulders too...I'm not bothered with that, its not like you can say Naruto is ready to kill Pain at moment or that he has learned everything and it will be easy for him to put into practice.

[Atemu]

I think that pic of Maruto turning frog is him imagining not getting senjutsu right in battle. Fuakasku seems will be sitting on his shoulders too...I'm not bothered with that, its not like you can say Naruto is ready to kill Pain at moment or that he has learned everything and it will be easy for him to put into practice.

I not bothered either that foku sitting on naruto's shoulder, but i don't like the idea of naruto turning into frog because he can't control senjutsu in battle.

[Daneb]

no, theres no way with the knowledge we have now about naruto that he could beat pain but we still dont know the results of his training, maybe he will surprise us with his new abilitys and strengh,....

i just hope naruto grow mentally, doesnt bother me if he lose (and still will be saved) or someone is stronger than him like S***** or someone else, i just wanna see naruto a lil bit more serious =)

[c0nflikt]

I can't wait to see the tails pic HQ omg its so sweet its gonna be my new wallpaper.

I predict whatever naruto uses from his training will not be enough he will defeat a few bodys and we will have one of those moments where he looks like hes gonna lose and then hes gonna pull out "That jutsu"

[Suzaku]

Dunno about the sanbi jinchuuriki but there are only eight people on the picture arent there? maybe we dont see his other fingers? dunno what that thing left on the picture is...
I'm fairly certain that Roushi, the Yonbi Jinchuuriki, is on the far left, you can see his arm and sleeve and wrist guard thing, but not the rest because the page is curled.

He couldn't be the guy on the far right, because he's wearing a forehead protector and Roushi wasn't allied to any shinobi village. Plus, the clothing and size doesn't match up.

I'm fairly certain that it goes, from left to right:

4, 3, 2, 1, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5

In other words, it counts up from Gaara going left, and down from Naruto going right.



well anyway, does anyone have an idea why kishi designes all the Jinchuuriki if they have no opportunity to fit into the storyline of the manga?
Well, he could do Gaiden chapters, he could do flashbacks, he could bring them back to life, he could have designed them for the anime, or just for fun.

[ascalon]

It seems mentally retarded to me that the Hokage (Tsunade) would call naruto back from a place where he is completely safe and unreachable in order to have him fight an unknown enemy who is TRYING to catch him. WTF!? That's not even logical.

I'm also pretty sure Kakashi or Tsunade might die here. Either Tsunade will die and kakashi becomes hokage, or kakashi will die (since Kishi said he was going to focus on kakashi and sakura at some point, it may be more likely that the focus will come from kakashi becoming the new hokage and sakura being torn over the death of her mentor). That is my prediction.

[Zibi234]

I would like to see that there was time differance in both places... so naruto trained for a week time of normal world yet on the mountain the time that passed was 2week (2:1 scale)

We have no idea how long naruto was training and how long it took to learn sage mode.... we could say that what we see right now is naruto from few days ago so when he returns he will be a lot stronger and clever in sage jutsu.... later with narutos power everyone will be stuned and we will see rest of his training how he got to this point


But maybe we will see other teams fighting pein's xD

[Daneb]

[quote]Well, he could do Gaiden chapters, he could do flashbacks, he could bring them back to life, he could have designed them for the anime, or just for fun.[quote]

that would be really nice^^

i will see who and how tehy capture the the jinchurikis before gaara. (deidara spoke of it)

[ascalon]

And why do they have pictures of NINE jinchuriki when some of them were natural/wild bijuu like the 3 tails turtle Deidara and Tobi fought!? WTH?

[plex]

First of all, "Hello" ,my first post in here *lol*

I don't like the part with Naruto..I thought he will will be able to go Sennin-Mode on his own, but now he needs the help of Fukasaku. It just looks weird to see a frog on your shoulder (the same goes for Jiraiya, his "outfit" looked even more stupid with ma and pa..) :blink:notrust

Apart from that, I'm disappointed of Tsunade, why does she have to call Naruto?, why not letting him train?. I mean she's the HOKAGE, the strongest person in the village, she should be in the position to do something against Pein, to fight him alone and now she needs help of the whole village and even Naruto..jeez.

I'm starting to believe, that she's the weakest Hokage (compared to the previous Kages).

[Atemu]

Kakashi fighting the god realm pain? this will be interesting. kishi said that we will draw about kakashi. lets see what he will show us.

[Rotten The Wizard]

holy shit Kakashi and Yahiko pain are going at it

I HIGHLY doubt that part when tsunade orders naruto back
I wont believe it till I see a scanlation. It makes no sense she would deliberately put him in harms way

[Ichibugen]

Why on earth is Tsunade calling Naruto back? Isnt this what ANBU and her Niju Shotai are for? C'mon Tsunade, show us why Konoha is Narutoverse's strongest superpower!

[Gold Knight]

And why do they have pictures of NINE jinchuriki when some of them were natural/wild bijuu like the 3 tails turtle Deidara and Tobi fought!? WTH?

It's probably just Kishimoto giving us either a glimpse of his imagination or a preview of things to come - or even showing who all had them in the past. Jinchuuriki of the past, present, and future, perhaps?

Looks like a great chapter coming up. I never would have expected things to escalate this quickly, but the pacing is MUCH needed at this point. Getting more exciting now.

[Suzaku]

And why do they have pictures of NINE jinchuriki when some of them were natural/wild bijuu like the 3 tails turtle Deidara and Tobi fought!? WTH?
It was never stated that any besides the Sanbi lacked a Jinchuuriki. In fact, Deidara said that all of the previous ones had Jinchuuriki, I believe, and all the ones after Sanbi also had Jinchuuriki.

All they ever said about it was that if a Bijuu went too long without a Jinchuuriki, it would lose its intelligence and become like a big, stupid beast.

The Jinchuuriki must've died or the Sanbi got freed or something, somehow. Just because it didn't have one at the time, doesn't mean it never had one.

[Tweaker]

cool spoilers especially the first page. And to why Tsunade is calling back naruto is because, that Naruto said he was going to have revenge for Jiraiya, and Pa toad left a comunication frog behind so that if something happened in konoh they could tell Naruto about it. well anyway thats what i think.

[Daneb]

What do u think, will kakashi get help from somebody other? i think of a person like Gai or Hinatas Father,..
about shino ino hina etc. they will fight the fireworks-pain. IMO

[Ichibugen]

What do u think, will kakashi get help from somebody other? i think of a person like Gai or Hinatas Father,..
about shino ino hina etc. they will fight the fireworks-pain. IMO
Id like for Iruka to return the favor and help Kakashi.

[Rotten The Wizard]

What do u think, will kakashi get help from somebody other? i think of a person like Gai or Hinatas Father,..
about shino ino hina etc. they will fight the fireworks-pain. IMO

if push comes to shove kakashi will just send his ass to another dimension
and then faint....lolol

[Daneb]

Id like for Iruka to return the favor and help Kakashi.

question: How? Sacrifce himself? i think iruka cant do anythink vs god realm
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if push comes to shove kakashi will just send his ass to another dimension
and then faint....lolol

ouh yeah forgot it,.... kaka has the plot jutsu,too.my bad my bad;)

[Atemu]

First of all, "Hello" ,my first post in here *lol*

I don't like the part with Naruto..I thought he will will be able to go Sennin-Mode on his own, but now he needs the help of Fukasaku. It just looks weird to see a frog on your shoulder (the same goes for Jiraiya, his "outfit" looked even more stupid with ma and pa..) :blink:notrust


first welcome to this forum.

about naruto, he can do into sage mode by himself, but its imposable in battle because the enemy would not let him, so he will need help somehow

[Zibi234]

Maybe tsunade wants to give naruto something about his parents... since mostly she is one of those who know the truth of the past about his parents and what happened.... and she could say goodbye to him if anything happens to her (and not like Ji-man he suddenly disappeared without last words to naruto)

If Tsunade dies then it will be a huge blow for naruto again (lost both grandparents :P granny tsunade and jiraya.... naruto saw them like that at least adn Jiraya admited that he started to think of naruto as his own grandson) and in such a short time... it's like his whole family died

Sakura would lost her master just like naruto (sakura-Tsunade,Naruto-Jiraya) so both would be in similar position

But really bringing out naruto into the hell is strange ^^ but maybe she had contact with pa-frog and he constantly said what naruto's progress is... hmmm I wodner when the scroll-frog will apear

[En Yang Ji]

I wonder if the new characters are the enka singers.

[Rotten The Wizard]

question: How? Sacrifce himself? i think iruka cant do anythink vs god realm
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ouh yeah forgot it,.... kaka has the plot jutsu,too.my bad my bad;)

how would that be plot no jutsu?
o_0'

[plex]

first welcome to this forum.

about naruto, he can do into sage mode by himself, but its imposable in battle because the enemy would not let him, so he will need help somehow

It's still disappointing, I was hoping he can go sennin mode in real battle WITHOUT Fukasaku sitting on his shoulder. After all it was stated that Naruto is even more talented than Jiraiya (as for Senjutsu..)

[Atemu]

you do realize that this will be the first sharingan v.s rinnegan fight.

[Rahan]

What do u think, will kakashi get help from somebody other? i think of a person like Gai or Hinatas Father,..
about shino ino hina etc. they will fight the fireworks-pain. IMO

God Realm needed the other bodies to get Jiraiya. If Kakashi is really Hokage worthy, he should annihilate Yahiko Pain 1 on 1

[Atemu]

It's still disappointing, I was hoping he can go sennin mode in real battle WITHOUT Fukasaku sitting on his shoulder. After all it was stated that Naruto is even more talented than Jiraiya (as for Senjutsu..)

I know what you mean. hope naruto surprise us with something new

[Zibi234]

Just wait ^^ they said that creating rasengan in 1week was imposible yet naruto did it, kakashi said that inserting nature element into rasengan is imposible yet naruto did it ^^.... so its only matter of time where naruto will be able to jump into hermit mode all by himself without assistance...

Right now Naruto learned how to use sage mode but he needs to practice it ^^ its not like he had a year to train ! its week or less so no wonder that at begining he needs little help (yet pa-frog can watch narutos back if its needed xD )

Naruto learned how to make rasengan in battle with kabuto so maybe he will learn how to use sage mode in battle too ^^

[Seranel N'Ryt]

... kakashi-sensei is fellen in dangerous... T.T
i'll NEVER see if he die...

[gold349]

I not bothered either that foku sitting on naruto's shoulder, but i don't like the idea of naruto turning into frog because he can't control senjutsu in battle.


he will be able to use senjutsu he has attained that, its probably Naruto thinking shit I'm gonna turn into a frog because...how the heck I'm a gonna make sage chakra in battle without moving....him imagining himself as a frog, that's what I think the spoiler pic shows plus the little spoiler summary talks about his worries and fukasaku is going to be there in person maybe so to cover Naruto while he stays still and prepares for sage mode.


First of all, "Hello" ,my first post in here *lol*

I don't like the part with Naruto..I thought he will will be able to go Sennin-Mode on his own, but now he needs the help of Fukasaku. It just looks weird to see a frog on your shoulder (the same goes for Jiraiya, his "outfit" looked even more stupid with ma and pa..) :blink:notrust

Apart from that, I'm disappointed of Tsunade, why does she have to call Naruto?, why not letting him train?. I mean she's the HOKAGE, the strongest person in the village, she should be in the position to do something against Pein, to fight him alone and now she needs help of the whole village and even Naruto..jeez.

I'm starting to believe, that she's the weakest Hokage (compared to the previous Kages).

Naruto has showed he doesn't need help to go sage mode..heck he is practicing late at night on his own, fukaskau will just be there as to cover him while in battle so that he can stay still and go into it.

She is hokage, maybe she realises that Naruto is best protected in the village and another thing she knows what this Pain can do what if he goes to the mountains to retrieve Naruto? (which I doubt). Tsunade actions at moment are just giving orders and fits with her position. She may want Naruto with her/in the village were she can protect him and not the other way round, she seems to have a thought about Dan and her little brother so she may not want anything happening to Naruto (even though I think calling him back is wrong move).

[Daneb]

how would that be plot no jutsu?
o_0'

i mean the MS,....amaterasu,...and kakashis dimensional transfer (dont know the exactly name) its,...ridiculus=)

about the scroll-frog, i ask some time ago, where the hack he is hiding^^ i want the frog speak with naruto, damit :darn

[Ichibugen]

question: How? Sacrifce himself? i think iruka cant do anythink vs god realm
Thats not a really fair thing to assume. We dont know anything about Iruka, im not saying he is uber powerful but I for one dont think him to be a complete weakling.

[Tweaker]

you do realize that this will be the first sharingan v.s rinnegan fight.

that is true, when you say it, but i think kakashi is losing judging by the picture where kakashi is charging God realm, it looks like God Realm as some form of a shield or shockwave, since Kakashi is getting blasted back.

[Daneb]

you do realize that this will be the first sharingan v.s rinnegan fight.

the first we know yet, we dont know if madara ever fought against nagato.
if madara rekruit nagato, like ita deidara, than they definetly fought against each other.
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Thats not a really fair thing to assume. We dont know anything about Iruka, im not saying he is uber powerful but I for one dont think him to be a complete weakling.


yy i know what u mean but, look...do u think iruka has improved in the whole 3 years of naruto? iruka get nearly killed by mizuki first chapter and naruto beat the crap out of mizuki^^

ok IF iruka improve a lot, he is never near the level of naruto kaka and co.
he will be just a burden, he will stand in the way if he fight with kaka again god-realm IMO

kaka will have to protect him,ever and ever again, like everytime he did it since kaka show up in narutoverse^^

[Atemu]

Kakashi wouldn't hesitate to use the sharingan in this battle with pain. We know so much about the sharingan but we know nothing about the rinnegan.Don' think that the dimensional transfer technique will help him alot. remember pain can summon himself as long as the animal realm is in konoha

[bean]

Kakashi wouldn't hesitate to use the sharingan in this battle with pain. We know so much about the sharingan but we know nothing about the rinnegan.Don' think that the dimensional transfer technique will help him alot. remember pain can summon himself as long as the animal realm is in konoha
hopefully kakashi is smart enough to warp away just his head instead of his whole body...

[gold349]

Iruka hasn't been shown all that much, A Kakashi and Iruka tag team?..I doubt Kakashi will lose but he can not take on the might of Pain on his own. The deva realm may be the one that can pull of using all chakra types, in the pic were kakashi is on the floor,top of the pic he faces Deava realm against wall bottom pic with kakashi on the floor the whole wall behind deva has changed to look like something can't make it out clear but it looks like its taken the shape of something...most likely the attack used to knock kakashi on the floor.

[sabret00the]

the chapter sounds like an ice cold beer on a hot day. yay for that. but why order naruto back when he's the one being hunted? surely that's just putting him in danger? and he still hasn't learned how to summon frogs for occasions yet either.

[Atemu]

Akatsuki was expected in konoha, but i looks to me that tsunade was expecting pain. She must have some kind of a plan and i think kakashi was informed.