Naruto Volume 45 (Ch. 413-422) Discussion

[Strider's♥Death]

I think it's the full beast because it seems to be the size of the beast...if it were just a cloak, I assume it would take the shape of the beast only human being size, ala 4 tail naruto. All tails are out, so I'm assuming full beast is out, with the jin controlling it...or maybe the hachibi has been in control the whole time and he's teh rapping bee.

See isnt that strange, that when he had 3 tails he had a cloak , so wouldnt he have a stronger one at 8 tails?? i mean the chakara cloak can be that skin or it can be under it. But eh whos knows exactly anyways

[gold349]

See isnt that strange, that when he had 3 tails he had a cloak , so wouldnt he have a stronger one at 8 tails?? i mean the chakara cloak can be that skin or it can be under it. But eh whos knows exactly anyways

When gaara let shakuku out and took back seat, the bijuu was made of sand, I think that the hachibi is still some where acting as the medium for the 8 tails to take form, I'm assuming something, the same thing will happen here like gaara incident find the medium and have him revert back to human maybe the amaterasu will do enough damage so he is forced to lose the transformation.

[Csdabest]

Its clear tos ee its the actuall beast and not the cloak anymore.

Also. What super powerful move did the 8-tails due to make Sasuke charge into battle all cocky like w/o his sharingan activated. Its pretty obvious that Kishi made Sasuke job this fight. Not being able to avoid the blade dance but being able to avoid easilyu the 3-tailed strike that the 8-tails made iit apoint to mention no one has dodge it since his brother. COme on now. He is jobbing this fight. Thought i do think the 8-tails would still have made this fight highly interesting but still this fight was jobbed. Jogging to the opponent. It took Sasuke a min to run to the 8-tails to slash at him.

[bean]

See isnt that strange, that when he had 3 tails he had a cloak , so wouldnt he have a stronger one at 8 tails?? i mean the chakara cloak can be that skin or it can be under it. But eh whos knows exactly anyways
either way, a cloak isn't 100% protection...I'm sure there's always a way to break a cloak down.

[ThaGreatOne]

Its clear tos ee its the actuall beast and not the cloak anymore.

Also. What super powerful move did the 8-tails due to make Sasuke charge into battle all cocky like w/o his sharingan activated. Its pretty obvious that Kishi made Sasuke job this fight. Not being able to avoid the blade dance but being able to avoid easilyu the 3-tailed strike that the 8-tails made iit apoint to mention no one has dodge it since his brother. COme on now. He is jobbing this fight. Thought i do think the 8-tails would still have made this fight highly interesting but still this fight was jobbed. Jogging to the opponent. It took Sasuke a min to run to the 8-tails to slash at him.

Interesting Idea. I was thinking about ameratsu's effect but I think it can hurt the 8-tails. I mean when Hidan and Kakuzu fought 2-tails and she morphed into her tailed form and somehow they beat her out of it. Of course 8-tails is stronger but he can't be invincible AND he's fighting sasuke so it could damage him I mean even if it was a chakra cloak... ameratsu is an attack made from chakra. Wonder how the other cloud nin's will come into play

[bean]

what if a chakra cloak (1-4 tails) is simply just the bijuu protecting the jin, that is, though the jin doesn't get hurt, the bijuu takes the damage and loses it's HP, but since it has so much, it'll outlast whoever is attacking it.

[Strider's♥Death]

what if a chakra cloak (1-4 tails) is simply just the bijuu protecting the jin, that is, though the jin doesn't get hurt, the bijuu takes the damage and loses it's HP, but since it has so much, it'll outlast whoever is attacking it.

Okay wait, 1 -3 tails as we seen with naruto, he can still be harmed but heals right away, its when we get to 4 tails when he develops that weird cloak that didnt allow orochimarus sword to penetrate, so in power theory wouldt his cloak be much stronger against objects or projectiles? (since his in 8 tails mode now)

[Alexis]

See isnt that strange, that when he had 3 tails he had a cloak , so wouldnt he have a stronger one at 8 tails?? i mean the chakara cloak can be that skin or it can be under it. But eh whos knows exactly anyways
Gaara's full release didn't seem to have one though. I'm guessing the full release doesn't have a cloak because it's not the same jutsu.

[bean]

Okay wait, 1 -3 tails as we seen with naruto, he can still be harmed but heals right away, its when we get to 4 tails when he develops that weird cloak that didnt allow orochimarus sword to penetrate, so in power theory wouldt his cloak be much stronger against objects or projectiles? (since his in 8 tails mode now)
only so much...but what I'm saying is that though it seemed like it didn't hurt naruto in his four tail form, it was hurting the bijuu, only it wasn't visible...kinda like the oversheild in Halo, only a super pumped overshield that takes a lot of hits before it wears out...alos, it's like a flak jackey, that can take knife stabs (kusanagi) and small rounds (regular katons...even a rasengan or chidori), but if you pull out the big guns (amaterasu, FRS, kirin, etc), it'll only hold out for so long.

[Strider's♥Death]

Gaara's full release didn't seem to have one though. I'm guessing the full release doesn't have a cloak because it's not the same jutsu.

So what exactly determines what the full transformation has at the end, gaaras was just a big thing that was made out of sand, and nine tails looks like a fox with furr, and this bull thing has skin like a bull...i think ...hmmm ARGRGHRJG T_T this is too mind boggling , maybe if i read into the legend behind the 8 tails creature hmmmm is there a folklore about it ?lol

Edit: theres nothing about this creature in folktales hmmmm ..ehh T_T

[neomaster121]

to me it seems like full transformations not including gaara so to say replace u with the monster inside with u remaining in control

i think that the 8tails is in full body not cloak mode
i think when full release takes place the most experiance jinchuuriki take control of the body and can force change back

just n idea

[Strider's♥Death]

Well looking at the full transformed hachibi it looks like the bull part looks a bit like wood material or sumthing but the tentacles dont. hmmm lol just basing this off the gaara sand thing when he got full transformed.

But u gotta also give it sum thought too, why did kishi draw a bull with octupus tentacles?? hmmmm i think thats another reason why hachibi isnt going to be captured, theres just way more thought put into this jinchuuriki than any other we have seen before.

But the octopus tentacle/bull thing is very interesting

[bean]

So what exactly determines what the full transformation has at the end, gaaras was just a big thing that was made out of sand, and nine tails looks like a fox with furr, and this bull thing has skin like a bull...i think ...hmmm ARGRGHRJG T_T this is too mind boggling , maybe if i read into the legend behind the 8 tails creature hmmmm is there a folklore about it ?lol

Edit: theres nothing about this creature in folktales hmmmm ..ehh T_T
ushi-oni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi-oni)....I think that's what this one is supposed to be...

[Strider's♥Death]

ushi-oni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi-oni)....I think that's what this one is supposed to be...

Yea , already read that , doesnt even look like it gives detail on what it can do.

[mr.danly]

Interesting Idea. I was thinking about ameratsu's effect but I think it can hurt the 8-tails. I mean when Hidan and Kakuzu fought 2-tails and she morphed into her tailed form and somehow they beat her out of it. Of course 8-tails is stronger but he can't be invincible AND he's fighting sasuke so it could damage him I mean even if it was a chakra cloak... ameratsu is an attack made from chakra. Wonder how the other cloud nin's will come into play

Actually the reason the two-tails got beaten out of her form was because of Hidan's ability; he just stabbed himself in vital organs to severely wound her. That had nothing to do with her defensive abilities; no one can withstand that kind of assault.

[ptolemy]

Actually the reason the two-tails got beaten out of her form was because of Hidan's ability; he just stabbed himself in vital organs to severely wound her. That had nothing to do with her defensive abilities; no one can withstand that kind of assault.

He would have needed her blood. In order to get the blood he would have had to bypass her cloak (if that's what that was). What is most probable is either she thought the two of them were dead and went back to normal and that's when they did a sneak attack, or kakuza was just powerful enough to blast her out of two-tails mode.

[ThaGreatOne]

He would have needed her blood. In order to get the blood he would have had to bypass her cloak (if that's what that was). What is most probable is either she thought the two of them were dead and went back to normal and that's when they did a sneak attack, or kakuza was just powerful enough to blast her out of two-tails mode.

Exactly what I'm saying. How did they get PAST the cloak. There must be a way to bypass the defense of the transformed mode. Gaara was still exposed but Yugito was fully transformed

[makko]

Exactly what I'm saying. How did they get PAST the cloak. There must be a way to bypass the defense of the transformed mode. Gaara was still exposed but Yugito was fully transformed

Well, you don't need to bypass it... you can puncture it. Naruto showed Oro that his sword couldn't puncture him but i think thats because the 9tail is such a concentrated/dense amount of energy. I'm sure they could have stabbed her some how... knocked her down so she spit up blood. Also i'm sure those two had an arsenal of Jutsu's that we haven't seen.

[gold349]

Exactly what I'm saying. How did they get PAST the cloak. There must be a way to bypass the defense of the transformed mode. Gaara was still exposed but Yugito was fully transformed

He thinks they played dead , once nibi was back in human form they did a sneak attack, got some blood and then hidan just butchered himself to kill her with his curse.

The chakra shrouds IMO can not be unpenatrable OK we have seen kusangai just bounce of Naruto but it would be the biggest cheat in Narutoverse and no jin would die, just imagine if it was unpenatrable then all jin has to do is go into this mode, cover them self with the shroud and wait for there opponent to just drop from exhaustion trying all sorts of attacks come in and win the fight they could kill of villages and country's doing that by themselves there has to be major flaw, even hachibi skin on his face started burning like Naruto's does when he goes kyubi tails mode, just as he started transforming , it must still take a toll on the body maybe reason why they shouldn't use it Jiraiya warned Naruto and now we know raikage warned hachibi not to use transformation too, OK this reason is still unclear, akatuksi have seven bijuus and a good number were jins.

[jodi]

He thinks they played dead , once nibi was back in human form they did a sneak attack, got some blood and then hidan just butchered himself to kill her with his curse.

The chakra shrouds IMO can not be unpenatrable OK we have seen kusangai just bounce of Naruto but it would be the biggest cheat in Narutoverse and no jin would die, just imagine if it was unpenatrable then all jin has to do is go into this mode, cover them self with the shroud and wait for there opponent to just drop from exhaustion trying all sorts of attacks come in and win the fight they could kill of villages and country's doing that by themselves there has to be major flaw, even hachibi skin on his face started burning like Naruto's does when he goes kyubi tails mode, just as he started transforming , it must still take a toll on the body maybe reason why they shouldn't use it Jiraiya warned Naruto and now we know raikage warned hachibi not to use transformation too, OK this reason is still unclear, akatuksi have seven bijuus and a good number were jins.

maybe you have to find a weak spot, like the jiroubo's, someplace in their cloak is less concentrated and there could be where they hit to get blood from it
and, we know that the first hit doesn't pierce, but maybe a second hit in the same place could do it, or an elemental attack and make them weaker enough to be pierced by something
or simple genjutsu can do the trick by weakining them, or even make them get the normal form again(if the host doesn't have total control as Hachibi)

[Hockeychaoz]

Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the shroud thats around Naruto when hes in 4 tails mode made of his blood? So if the 2 tails had something similar, wouldn't hidan just have to touch her to get her blood?

[ThaGreatOne]

Well, you don't need to bypass it... you can puncture it. Naruto showed Oro that his sword couldn't puncture him but i think thats because the 9tail is such a concentrated/dense amount of energy. I'm sure they could have stabbed her some how... knocked her down so she spit up blood. Also i'm sure those two had an arsenal of Jutsu's that we haven't seen.

okay which means these beings can be hurt meaning the 8-tails in his transformed state could be hurt as well. If he couldn't then why would akasuki attack a foe they couldn't beat? It would be too cheap so I see ameratsu doing some damage unless 8-tails has another trick but knowing sasuke he'll just pull out susanoo

[THETRUTH.com]

Correct me if Im wrong, but isn't the shroud thats around Naruto when hes in 4 tails mode made of his blood? So if the 2 tails had something similar, wouldn't hidan just have to touch her to get her blood?


Hachibi and Nibi both transformed into bijuu form. If it is anything like what Gaara did in part one that was not a shroud it was the actual bijuu's body. So Hidan could pierce the bijuu and then wound the host with his technique.

So the answer is they didn't go through the shroud because there was no shroud to penetrate.
[hr]
I think the best way to explain it is they switch place. The bijuu was on the inside and the human was the body, transformation reverses that.

[hermallorn]

some people keeps assuming that sasuke can do whatever he wants, that he was beaten twice because he was not serious? man come on!
Sasuke has lost his CS, he is now a "normal" ninja. Did you see Itachi or Kakashi use MS right at the begining of a fight? No. Why? Because it really is tough on them. Both of them were pretty flat after using MS twice so will Sasuke. Trump card are double edge swords and are used with caution.

They just have never met someone that strong so they can't guess someone can be as strong as killerbee. Jiraya was the same fighting Pein. Its no overconfidence, just ignorance.

Sasuke discovering that he actually cares about others is nice. That's another sign that he is no Oro anymore.

And lastly I don't think sasuke his going to pull out a susanoo because I don't think itachi gave him that jutsu. It too unbeatable a jutsu to give to someone you don't fully trust. Moreover I don't think it is a power born from Itachi's eye as Oro knew of the sword beforehand and looked for it. It must be something he gained from someone.

[Csdabest]

Man Pre-timeskip Sasuke showed better Taijutsu feats than Sasuke showed here.


Also I think maybe just physical weapons can't peirce throught the chakra cloak. Maybe Chakra enfused and chakra attacks fan penetrate the chakra cloak. Because didnt Chidori Peirce through the 1tailed cloak. And didnt Chidori perce through the chakra leakage aura. I beleive we are taking the kusanagi not being able to penetrate a little two far.

[Sherbetmayhem]

Man Pre-timeskip Sasuke showed better Taijutsu feats than Sasuke showed here.

Well you can't use taijutsu against a massive bull. And earlier in the fight, when it was Sasuke versus the un-transformed hachibi, he tried to use taijutsu but realised very quickly that the guy was such a powerhouse that it simply had no effect on him. Recall Sasuke landing a well executed and powerful roundhouse straight in Hachibi's neck. He didn't move a muscle (except to note down some lyrics). So no wonder Sasuke just isn't trying anymore; it would be a waste of energy :)

[Csdabest]

Still I was referrring to the cartwheel of death when it came to Taijutsu skills and not being so easily manhandled. He seemed much more fierce and well executed though I must say his swords skill are very impressive and was my favorite part from that chapter.

[neomaster121]

Still I was referrring to the cartwheel of death when it came to Taijutsu skills and not being so easily manhandled. He seemed much more fierce and well executed though I must say his swords skill are very impressive and was my favorite part from that chapter.

yea the sword skills are awsome n i hope naruto gets a sword of his own

i don't think he's taijutsu skills are bad its reminds me back to rocklee when he got well almost defeated trying to fight him

i think sasuke has improved in taijutsu naturally but his powers are mainly in genjutsu n ninjutsu

[Csdabest]

Its crazy how his transition became over the timeskip. It use to be Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. I think Taijutsu isnt just something you should go into a figth with. Sort of like how Gai said it to be.

[CHICOAUTISTA]

am i the only one a little dissapointed with hachibi been some wierd mix between a bull and an octopus?

It has some sense not been a snake, since orochimaru had the part of the mythology of the evil 8-tailed snake from japanese folklore with the sword and everything, but i expected another animal and not the mix of two....

It´s a relief though, that hachibi doesn´t seem to be another evil character to include in this moment of the manga (that it would have been if Kishi followed the real japanese myths), i think right now Konoha had a lot to worry to put an evil Jinchuuriki running free in the world...

p.s. I think this fight will end in sasuke´s team scape (well, maybe not all of them will survive...). I kind of agree with one of the possibilities posted before, that stated the strategic use of amaterasu right now, as a distraction that allows them to run away...

[Csdabest]

But also. Do you guys think Chakra attacks can peirce cloaks. I think the Chakra cloak only defends against Taijutsu and weapon attacks,

[hermallorn]

1) When Itachi uses Susanoo he is completly blind.
2) Susanoo is 2 "beings" male and female, for attack and defense, corresponding to legendary shield and sword.
3) Both zetsu and Oro knew of these items but had never heard of susanoo.
4) Tsukuyomi and amateratsu, as well as Kakashi's space time justu, all of them originate from 1 MS
5) MS jutsu can be given.
6) if Itachi was a good guy, what's the truth about his friend death?
7) How kakashi came up with his MS suddently?

My guess is we have a MS/EMS user in konoha we don't know of. (madara's brother?) He woke itachi's eye up, as well as kakashi's. He entrusted Itachi with susanoo that fatefull day.

[shachi]

predictions:

1. Even though they despise each other, Karin will offer her body to Suigetsu and Suigetsu reluctantly takes a bite.

2. The team will make a run for it while the hachibi is distracted by amaterasu.

3. I believe those two cloud nins will at least provide some exposition, so I expect more background information on both the hachibi, its host, and his techniques. At the very least, one will explain to the other how the hachibi is able to snuff out amaterasu.

4. The sacrifices made by suigetsu, juugo, and karin on behalf of sasuke have strengthened the bonds between the members of Taka. One of them won't be able to escape, but Sasuke will remain behind to defend them. Grateful for their help and grateful for having renewed his sense of purpose, Sasuke becomes a protector instead of an avenger, even if that means his eyesight will significantly deteriorate.

5. So, I expect multiple amaterasus, transitioning into kirin, and a climactic susanoo summoning.

6. It's hard to gauge where Kishimoto is going with the rest of Taka. Will he kill them off because they're no longer necessary or do they still serve some important function in the story? I'm not confident that they'll be killed off, since we haven't been treated to extended flashbacks and details of their backstory.

[Fortisdiablos]

But also. Do you guys think Chakra attacks can peirce cloaks. I think the Chakra cloak only defends against Taijutsu and weapon attacks,

It protected Naruto from a katon jutsu.

[neomaster121]

predictions:

1. Even though they despise each other, Karin will offer her body to Suigetsu and Suigetsu reluctantly takes a bite.

2. The team will make a run for it while the hachibi is distracted by amaterasu.

3. I believe those two cloud nins will at least provide some exposition, so I expect more background information on both the hachibi, its host, and his techniques. At the very least, one will explain to the other how the hachibi is able to snuff out amaterasu.

4. The sacrifices made by suigetsu, juugo, and karin on behalf of sasuke have strengthened the bonds between the members of Taka. One of them won't be able to escape, but Sasuke will remain behind to defend them. Grateful for their help and grateful for having renewed his sense of purpose, Sasuke becomes a protector instead of an avenger, even if that means his eyesight will significantly deteriorate.

5. So, I expect multiple amaterasus, transitioning into kirin, and a climactic susanoo summoning.

6. It's hard to gauge where Kishimoto is going with the rest of Taka. Will he kill them off because they're no longer necessary or do they still serve some important function in the story? I'm not confident that they'll be killed off, since we haven't been treated to extended flashbacks and details of their backstory.

i think this is the last sasuke arc we will have n it will end with this 8tails guy cuaght

sasuke team can't run n kirin is out of chakra thats why she didn't heal sasuke

i think we will see sasuke frightening off the nins with black fire
then they will go get the raikage but by then sasuke would have left with the 8tails

[pranabowjake]

1) When Itachi uses Susanoo he is completly blind.
2) Susanoo is 2 "beings" male and female, for attack and defense, corresponding to legendary shield and sword.
3) Both zetsu and Oro knew of these items but had never heard of susanoo.
4) Tsukuyomi and amateratsu, as well as Kakashi's space time justu, all of them originate from 1 MS
5) MS jutsu can be given.
6) if Itachi was a good guy, what's the truth about his friend death?
7) How kakashi came up with his MS suddently?

My guess is we have a MS/EMS user in konoha we don't know of. (madara's brother?) He woke itachi's eye up, as well as kakashi's. He entrusted Itachi with susanoo that fatefull day.


1) it seemed as if he either went blind after he used susano or he had summoned it and took the rest of his eye's power and prepared it to transfer into sasuke

2)i didnt realize that it was being represented as different beings, male/female, being wielded

3) it seemd more like susano "wielded" the items/stored the items rather than susano creating the items

4) kakashi also had a ms genjitsu that he used on naruto during the itachi clone v team copout

5) yea as if it was passed along

6) his friend was working for the clan to spy on itachi, he couldn't have him leaking info on him as well as he was probably atleast equal to itachi at the time. so having someone equal to itachi when he had to wipe out the clan would have been a bad idea and made it really hard, + knowing that he would gain a greater power from it probably made it an easy choice to follow konoha's orders. my final point about this is that "good guy" is a loose term here, again he is good in terms of the leaf village, but in terms of anyone else he could still be seen as evil since he killed his own family (orders or not that's still kinda wrong)

7) kakashi is a genius and since he took his eye from his "best" friend he could remember the pain it caused when he died afterwords and used that as a catalyst to open up ms (that's just my take on it, a theory if you will) and i'm pretty sure madara's brother was put into the ground before konoha was formed

on this week's issue i think hachibi will be surprised about amaterasu, but fight it off and the other members of kumogakure will join in the fight if not to just get him to leave his bijyu form, but maybe only like 4 to 5 pages of that and the rest will be about konoha's findings (i say this because naruto's starting to master the training) and maybe a bit more or naruto's training. maybe end the issue with another ominous ending like pein standing above the village

[CHICOAUTISTA]

7) kakashi is a genius and since he took his eye from his "best" friend he could remember the pain it caused when he died afterwords and used that as a catalyst to open up ms (that's just my take on it, a theory if you will) and i'm pretty sure madara's brother was put into the ground before konoha was formed


that was exactly my answer to his theory!!!

and, i really think we have quite a lot of important characters with Sharingan running around to add another one... Konoha has no other ace under the sleave than naruto... (ok, is possible there are some good ninjas that have remain in the shadows as ANBU members or so, but i don´t think kishi is going to use that resourse...).

[Csdabest]

It protected Naruto from a katon jutsu.

When....It didnt protect Naruto from Chidori and if you are refferring to Valley of the end figth then You must mean we Naruto shot a invisble chakra beam through the attack. That is not the same thing

[enmymiguel]

wow this chapter waz really good.

and before when sasuke waz going to die or loose he always think abaut itachi and he win or get save. cause itachi waz the reason why he waz alife.
but last chapter i see hes new reason.
and yeah guys as you see sasuke never forgot hes last family

[mr.danly]

Okay everyone arguing about the Chakra Cloak; there are two huge differences between the Chakra cloak and bijuu transformation. The Chakra cloak is when a Jinchuuriki let's some of their bijuu's chakra leak out, so that it protects them. The Chakra cloak is actually probably STRONGER than the actual skin of the bijuu transformation, for the simple reason that the sheer density of the chakra is almost impenetrable. However, the chakra cloak does take a toll on the jinchuuriki's body, as we saw in the Naruto-Sasuke fight pre-timeskip; he said that his arm was numb after only a couple minutes of fighting. Also, the Naruto-Sasuke fight showed that the Chakra cloak CAN be pierced, as shown when Sasuke pierced through Naruto's chest. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/233/02/ My theory is that since the Chakra cloak is an extremely dense cloud of chakra, a jutsu with a high enough chakra concentration, such as Chidori, can pierce through it, but less concentrated Jutsus, such as Sasuke's Katon jutsus, can't. Now, onto the Bijuu Transformation. The Bijuu transformation gives the jinchuuriki ridiculous amounts of power, but significantly decreases the defensive capabilities; Gaara was the only one who didn't have a chakra cloak, but immediately began to transform into his Bijuu. He was made of sand, and the Bijuu's actual skin, so Sasuke was able to pierce it with Chidori, and Naruto was also able to severely deform Gaara's body with an explosive tag in the right spot. I assume that the same held true for the Two-Tails, which is why Hidan was able to pierce her body and get some blood, and then kill her with ease.

[heremit_mode]

my prediction : IF taka really tries to escape the fight and manages to do so we'll have some discussion chapters again and perhaps some revelations like "hachibi: what the hell did those guys need me for? why capture me?" . This again could lead him to feel the need to tell the other jinchuurikis about akatsuki's plans of capturing all the beasts since we know all jinchuuriki's are somewhat alone on their paths of their life.
Due to all demons having been captured it would boil down to hachibi meeting naruto and preparing him for akatsuki which would obviously include demon control.

Let me have your ideas on that thought please

[jinndtonic]

kakashi also had a ms genjitsu that he used on naruto during the itachi clone v team copout
WHAT?!?!?! where was that. i must have missed that cause ive never heard of that

[milram]

that was exactly my answer to his theory!!!

and, i really think we have quite a lot of important characters with Sharingan running around to add another one... Konoha has no other ace under the sleave than naruto... (ok, is possible there are some good ninjas that have remain in the shadows as ANBU members or so, but i don´t think kishi is going to use that resourse...).

at this point any one of the theories floating around is plausable because kishi hasn't cleared it up. all we know now is that:

1. Kakashi has ms source unexplained

2. Itachi has ms souce he killed his friend to get it. unreliable info because he has lied to sasuke quite a bit about the history of the uchiha

3. Sasuke has it now source transfered from itachi unconfirmed wether or not he has developed his own.

4. Madara and his brother. according to itachi's story they trained to the point where their ms developed naturally also possibly a lie.

my theory is that MS is attainable through intensive high stress training, a major emotional trauma, or a combination of the two if the user is capable.
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WHAT?!?!?! where was that. i must have missed that cause ive never heard of that


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/276/04/
it was used during the battle with deidara not itachi

[Triggerx]

Naruto has the potential to get strong quick.
So far he's progressing fast with his senjutsu training, but thats only one power up.

The Kyuubi is another power up, and it seems with the 8 tails still alive there is potential for him to learn how to control his Biju.
However, it seems like how the Kyuubi was sealed might be a bit different, than the other jinchuriki's so who knows if this is even possible. Especially since currently Naruto only has 1/2 of his Biju's chakra.

We still dont know 2 things about Naruto though.
The key and the crow.

Im really curious as to what that crows purpose is. For some reason I think its a jutsu, because it seemed like a last resort kind of technique.

[Fortisdiablos]

When....It didnt protect Naruto from Chidori and if you are refferring to Valley of the end figth then You must mean we Naruto shot a invisble chakra beam through the attack. That is not the same thing

I do mean the Valley of the End fight, but I'm talking about when Sasuke first uses Gougakyu on Naruto and Naruto just stands there and takes it.

[Marq]

But also. Do you guys think Chakra attacks can peirce cloaks. I think the Chakra cloak only defends against Taijutsu and weapon attacks,

hmm.. the chakra cloak of naruto's protected him against Sasuke's fireball.. but.. who knows if it's the same for hachibi.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/231/08/ Sasuke using the tech

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/231/10/

shroud protecting Naruto.

[shinobi]

the hachibi's chakra cloak isn't effective against high level genjutsu (the MS genjutsu), and I think it wont protect him against advanced ninjutsu like amaterasu.

[Marq]

the hachibi's chakra cloak isn't effective against high level genjutsu (the MS genjutsu), and I think it wont protect him against advanced ninjutsu like amaterasu.

wait.. since when could the cloak was suppose to protect Bijuus from Genjutsu techniques? It was never stated the cloak could do that..

So far we've seen cloaks protect against ninjutsus.. The beast are what Madara/Karin puts "Chakra weapons".. so it isn't farfetched that it could protect itself against Amatersu.. however that is not to say that amatersu won't break down the bijuu.

That and I"m the biased guy who hates that a friggin MS technique can take down a huge beast.. such bullcrap.. and haxxor..

but ignore that.

[Reenie]

hmmm I wonder if Hachibi could just take a dip in the nearby lake if he gets hit with Amaterasu. I mean I know Amaterasu is supposed to be able to burn through anything, but in the end it is black "fire" so thinking about it a large-scale fire has to be sustained by a similar amount of oxygen right? And "natural" forces have been hyped to be stronger than the chakra generated by ninjas... But meh that kind of logic probably doesn't work in manga.

[shinobi]

wait.. since when could the cloak was suppose to protect Bijuus from Genjutsu techniques? It was never stated the cloak could do that..

So far we've seen cloaks protect against ninjutsus.. The beast are what Madara/Karin puts "Chakra weapons".. so it isn't farfetched that it could protect itself against Amatersu.. however that is not to say that amatersu won't break down the bijuu.

That and I"m the biased guy who hates that a friggin MS technique can take down a huge beast.. such bullcrap.. and haxxor..

but ignore that.

about the genjutsu, I was commenting on what happened in the battle. anyway, I don't think that the amaterasu will finish the hachibi, I think it's ridiculous to end this fight by sasuke opening his eyes and saying (amaterasu) and then game over, but I think it will have some bad effects on him, if hachi is gonna lose this fight the amaterasu alone wont be enough(I hope).

[Csdabest]

Ahhh I see what you mean from he katon. Well to be fair that was a low level jutsu. C-Rank at that. Also it looks like a Barrier protected Naruto as well more than his cloak. And Chidori still broke through the cloak.

[dragon2021]

Ahhh I see what you mean from he katon. Well to be fair that was a low level jutsu. C-Rank at that. Also it looks like a Barrier protected Naruto as well more than his cloak. And Chidori still broke through the cloak.

Thats true, but remeber Naruto had fewer tails. Here we are talking 8 tails, wich means more power.:oh

[gold349]

hmmm I wonder if Hachibi could just take a dip in the nearby lake if he gets hit with Amaterasu. I mean I know Amaterasu is supposed to be able to burn through anything, but in the end it is black "fire" so thinking about it a large-scale fire has to be sustained by a similar amount of oxygen right? And "natural" forces have been hyped to be stronger than the chakra generated by ninjas... But meh that kind of logic probably doesn't work in manga.

IDK, jumping into water may not put out Amaterasu, I didn't think it burned like normal fire, it can burn fire itself so I'm thinking on the lines that it survives/continues to consume not due to oxygen but the amount of material, I mean like stone/fire/tree/person/ninjutsu/etc.etc. a lot of things have to logically make sense but some things could be labelled special and kishi can make anything happen just with in that one rule.

[c420smokey]

my prediction is that Amatseru will do some damage but not alot and then the raikage will show up and stop the fight, then will find out that the raikage is the killerbees brother
oh I posted this awhile ago but no one replied so I thought I would post it here. What do you guys think of the possibility that the summons could be people that tried to learn the sage arts?

[Csdabest]

That is true. But stronger jutsu bypassing the cloak would make sense rather it being completely industructible. So far the main cloak has only been seen to not be damaged by the Kusanagi sword and it wasn't infused with chakra. And The fireball but that was due to the chakra forming a actual barrier around the cloak. And it was a low level jutsu. But yet Chidori a high level jutsu broke through it.

This reminds me of Kidimaru's chakra web and how it was deemed industructible. But Neji managed to cut through it with chakra and his gentle fist.

Im not sure if this is anime or manga. Or if its anime canon. But i beleive the Chakra strings from a puppet was cut as well from chakra attack. So i beleive the chakra cloak only protects from low level ninjutsu and physical attacks.

Im starting to think Orochimaru Kusanagi blade would have peirced the Chakra cloak if it had chakra properties. Like when Sasuke enfuses with his Raiton to increase the cutting power.

[The_Drunk]

I want to ask you guys a question? Who's blast was stronger... the 4 tails or the 8 tails?
When Naruto did it he blew away 3 protective gates and still messed up Oro.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/295/06/
When 8 tails did it. Suigetsu took a direct hit and is still alive. Team Hebi looks untouched.
So would Team Hebi survive a 4 tails blast?

[bean]

I want to ask you guys a question? Who's blast was stronger... the 4 tails or the 8 tails?
When Naruto did it he blew away 3 protective gates and still messed up Oro.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/295/06/
When 8 tails did it. Suigetsu took a direct hit and is still alive. Team Hebi looks untouched.
So would Team Hebi survive a 4 tails blast?
hard to say...we don't have vegeta yelling out the power of each jutsu...I would say they're comparable in strength though...but the 4 tails kyuubi blast seemed to pack a bigger punch...who knows.

[The_Drunk]

hard to say...we don't have vegeta yelling out the power of each jutsu...I would say they're comparable in strength though...but the 4 tails kyuubi blast seemed to pack a bigger punch...who knows.

You might be right. I did notice that he didn't ingest the chakra ball like the 4 tails did. So that might be the differance

[The Adamant Dragon]

my prediction is that Amatseru will do some damage but not alot and then the raikage will show up and stop the fight, then will find out that the raikage is the killerbees brother
oh I posted this awhile ago but no one replied so I thought I would post it here. What do you guys think of the possibility that the summons could be people that tried to learn the sage arts?


They probably didn't notice because they were in a hitted discussion :amuse

That said, That's pretty clever... I never Considered that Possibility. Its highly possible, since most of the people that tried to master Senjutsu Arts were turned into frogs... Maybe they get turned into statues in their last period of life. Who knows... but until kishi says so, those will be mere speculations. But nice observation though.

[Csdabest]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/06/

I think the 8-tails was stronger. After the initail shock cone, it stayed in the form of a small but large beam. The 8-tails coned out into a large blast. So i would have to say the 8-tails. By visual purposes.

[Marq]

That is true. But stronger jutsu bypassing the cloak would make sense rather it being completely industructible. So far the main cloak has only been seen to not be damaged by the Kusanagi sword and it wasn't infused with chakra. And The fireball but that was due to the chakra forming a actual barrier around the cloak. And it was a low level jutsu. But yet Chidori a high level jutsu broke through it.

This reminds me of Kidimaru's chakra web and how it was deemed industructible. But Neji managed to cut through it with chakra and his gentle fist.

Im not sure if this is anime or manga. Or if its anime canon. But i beleive the Chakra strings from a puppet was cut as well from chakra attack. So i beleive the chakra cloak only protects from low level ninjutsu and physical attacks.

Im starting to think Orochimaru Kusanagi blade would have peirced the Chakra cloak if it had chakra properties. Like when Sasuke enfuses with his Raiton to increase the cutting power.

I was asking what you mean the chidori penerate.. but you must mean the final rasengan/chidori clash right?.. if so.. durr.. stupid me.. yeah it did penrate that.. hardly did squat though.

But's more the fact that rasengan/chidori were nearly canceled out during that clash. Interesting theori about the cloak being pentrated by infused chakra.. but I doubt it.

There is a reason why the Bijuu are supposed to be the most feared creatures of the Naru-niverse.. (even if Kishi didn't do them justice really)..

Quite frankly I don't even think a Chakra infused Kusanagi could've damaged KN4. They were on par with each other.

[The_Drunk]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/06/

I think the 8-tails was stronger. After the initail shock cone, it stayed in the form of a small but large beam. The 8-tails coned out into a large blast. So i would have to say the 8-tails. By visual purposes.

Ya but when it hit the gates it looked just the same.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/295/10/

[bean]

hachibi's was point blank, and it didn't extend that far and suigetsu blocked it...the kyuubi's wasn't just smaller, it went a distance and some, and it still fucked up orochimaru

[The Adamant Dragon]

Yep you're right, when the Kyubbi did it, the blast was much more powerfull and its shear destructive power was more greater than Hachibi's. And that was just the Kyubbi in 4 tailed mode... seen like that, a 4-tailed Naruto seems stronger than the Hachibi when he's got all his tails out. I Can't Imagine how strong the Kyubbi is when its Fully unleashed.

[Strider's♥Death]

Or hachibi's possibly didnt have alot of concentrated chakara in his blast.

Its obvious that Hachibi isnt going to be captured next chap, nor it looks like taka is fleeing , kishi will surprise us with its conclusion .......it better be a good conclusion

[THETRUTH.com]

The 4-tail Kyuubi blast was more concentrated. He ingested the chakra ball before blasting it out of it's mouth. Also it took more time to execute the technique as well. Hachibi just blasted the chakra after quickly forming it. It was different but yes the 4-tailed blast seemed to pack a more potent punch.

I don't really know where the story will go from here. I don't know how Sasuke will get away even if he is able to defeat Mr. Host. His team has been banged up pretty good. The looked like they could barely move last chapter. I am hoping for more Naruto. Gamakichi and Fukasaku may have a little convo. Konoha should be shown in this chapter or the next. They should have made progress in the interrogation or the autopsy.

[Strider's♥Death]

The 4-tail Kyuubi blast was more concentrated. He ingested the chakra ball before blasting it out of it's mouth. Also it took more time to execute the technique as well. Hachibi just blasted the chakra after quickly forming it. It was different but yes the 4-tailed blast seemed to pack a more potent punch.

I don't really know where the story will go from here. I don't know how Sasuke will get away even if he is able to defeat Mr. Host. His team has been banged up pretty good. The looked like they could barely move last chapter. I am hoping for more Naruto. Gamakichi and Fukasaku may have a little convo. Konoha should be shown in this chapter or the next. They should have made progress in the interrogation or the autopsy.

Well its looking like sumone will intervene , either from hachibi's side or sasuke's or both

[Csdabest]

Must congradulate kishi. He always manages to create a cliff hanger that no one can accuratelyt guess

[sharingan ninja]

hey am new here am being come to this site for weeks to see what pleople think and i join so hey everone

[Strider's♥Death]

hey am new here am being come to this site for weeks to see what pleople think and i join so hey everone

This isnt the introduction thread, but it wouldnt be bad if u added a comment on ur post about the chapter or what u think will happen in this weeks chapter. :amuse
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Must congradulate kishi. He always manages to create a cliff hanger that no one can accuratelyt guess

Eh , who knows, but this decision must go right or else it will just make me question later fights to an extent of ummmmm...uhhhhhhh.ehhhhhhhhh........................

[sharingan ninja]

well the fight it was ok but sasuke going to win madara would not have send sasuke if he know he can't beat the 8 tailed beast
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what yall think
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man why yall stop write
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i know that but anyway i have to go but i catch u later are yall later and can u like send me the naruto 415 spoliers when the come and the scripts
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well peace have a good night are what ever i have to go catch yall on the flip sid later

[bean]

a double post is bad enough...but a five post...come on buddy...don't just post a generic comment and then ask "what yall think" ...most likely there are already 56 pages worth of answers to your question. Read a few pages back, and then contribute to a discussion or post something worthy of discussion...don't mean to scold you, but come on...if you don't get a response right away, wait a bit...if you don't get a response at all, then too bad. Also, read the forum rules, those tend to help you so that you don't step on anyone's toes.

[Marq]

Must congradulate kishi. He always manages to create a cliff hanger that no one can accuratelyt guess

...really?.. I mean yeah right now he is doing that..but previous chapters... it was predictable. I just hope this fight ends soon.. don't want another "filler" type chapter.. Hell.. has even one day pass during this fight?..

[bean]

...really?.. I mean yeah right now he is doing that..but previous chapters... it was predictable. I just hope this fight ends soon.. don't want another "filler" type chapter.. Hell.. has even one day pass during this fight?..
in hindsight, vision is always 20/20....

[Csdabest]

Welcome Sharingan Ninja.

ANd try not to double...i mean...um... whats the word quintdruple? post. But just look back. By monday we are usually done discussing and saying our predictions in this thread and most go offtopic. In which the mods come in and delete our post or segregate them. FEEL THE OPRESSION!!!!!!!!.

But let me some of your questions

1. Yes madara did say it. But alot of people think he overestimated Sasuke, and or he was setting Sasuke up so he can take Itachi eyes.

2. We dont think much. Just act. But really we think alot of things

3.Have nothing to discuss that we havent already and we sleepy. We sleep to past time to the spoilers. I have 2 months left of Nyquil to help me sleep so i can just sleep to chapter release. Not only that it makes me feel good when i go to read the chapter.

4. Of course thats what the spoiler threads are for.

5. Awww thats sooo adorable. Sweet dreams pumpkin.(joking)
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...really?.. I mean yeah right now he is doing that..but previous chapters... it was predictable. I just hope this fight ends soon.. don't want another "filler" type chapter.. Hell.. has even one day pass during this fight?..

Naruto part yes. But who would have guess that stuff would have happened with Itachi. Or that Madara was mizukage or that Sasuke would be retarded and blantantly go against his brothers wishes and fight w/ someone who he was going to kill.

Naruto wasnt predictable it was more like it was stated 20 or so chapters or go. There has been SOOOOOOOO many twists. Li

[gold349]

someone should take own advice about double post thing anyway aren't all beasts of different chakra levels, strengths and power?, kyubi being nine tail should have more chakra raw strength and power, everything it does, bijuu or jin form should be more than any other bijuu in natural or jin form.

From hachibi I would have expected a bit more of a power show as well as the damage done to takka, IMO Saske underestimated Mr Host, he fought a jin long time ago and should have known better not to come in to the fight against a monster like that thinking "easy walk in the park". The damage Saske and take received is about right but there should have been a little more to the fight, ok I expected Saske and takk to get beat up but I also thought now that Saske has MS power he will be like jumping in the air doing a "matrix" style athleticism dodging all sorts of combos from hachibi, this fight has been short and sweet, I just expected more.

[Alexis]

p.s. I think this fight will end in sasuke´s team scape (well, maybe not all of them will survive...). I kind of agree with one of the possibilities posted before, that stated the strategic use of amaterasu right now, as a distraction that allows them to run away...
Why wouldn't he use Amaterasu to burn the bull to a buffalo roast instead?
Amaterasu is the most powerful offensive jutsu. If he wanted to go for defense to protect them and escape you'd think he would have used Susanoo instead.

http://b.imagehost.org/0143/1-ani-edgeworth-finger-tap.gif

[Narrik]

isn't every MS have his own 3 special jutsus?... that was reason why i asked if sasuke used tsukuyomi... or it's some of his new moments

[Alexis]

isn't every MS have his own 3 special jutsus?... that was reason why i asked if sasuke used tsukuyomi... or it's some of his new moments
http://b.imagehost.org/0936/Mangekyoutransfer2.png
http://b.imagehost.org/0742/edgeworth-document_b.gif

[Narrik]

so now is sasuke usin only itachi's techniques.... i wonder how his techniques will look like>.>

[Atemu]

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Well the technique itself could be the same but i think sasuke has his own version.

[Alexis]

Well the technique itself could be the same but i think sasuke has his own version.
Could you clarify what you mean by that? His own versions of Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo?
Or that he has Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo (the same ones as Itachi) + his own unique MS jutsu?

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Well the technique itself could be the same but i think sasuke has his own version.

You mean a different variation? I don't see how you can make Ameterasu any different that makes it more effective.

Or are you saying that Sasuke has his own MS jutsus as well?

[girdab]

after this stupid fight, a question come into my mind which could make this fight more reasonable for me. we know that sharingan has the power of controlling kyubi or 9 tails. this is mentioned many times in the past by madara and others. Sasuke can supress the kyubi in naruto even without his new eye techniques. So why doesn't sasuke just simply go into mind of eigt tails hoster and supress the hachibi's power? Is he so afraid of his new opponent and forget this:) if the sharingan has the power of controlling only kyubi, then why they haven't first gone to capture naruto, and how could someone say that the kyubi is more powerful than hachibi. I can ask lots of these kind of questions but I think there are so many plots which are irreperable now. After now, I just want to see Naruto when he is kicking some a$$ and got an honorable death. (yes, I am one of those guys who think that naruto should die:)

[enka]

Why do people keep saying Sasuke use Itachi technics with his own version. Is the same thing. It work the same, look the same. If it don't have other diffrentsies is the f**king same thing. Okay maybe with little more emo-power in it, but it IS THE SAME.

Like b e a n said before if it smell like a dog, look like a dog , and sound like a dog is a DOG, NOT a duck.

[Atemu]

Could you clarify what you mean by that? His own versions of Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo?
Or that he has Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo (the same ones as Itachi) + his own unique MS jutsu?

I meant Amaterasu. As we know sasuke will be using amaterasu next ch. We also know that the eyes are different for each user. Itachi's Amererasu burns everything it comes in contact, maybe sasuke has a version that does something else. When it comes to other techniques from itachi i don't think sasuke has susanoo because i dont think sosanoo is a sharingan special technique.

[Alexis]

I meant Amaterasu. As we know sasuke will be using amaterasu next ch. We also know that the eyes are different for each user. Itachi's Amererasu burns everything it comes in contact, maybe sasuke has a version that does something else.
We have seen something that looks exactly like Tsukuyomi, and works in an instant.
If Tsukuyomi appeared to be the same, what reason is there to believe that Sasuke has his own versions of Itachi's jutsu?


When it comes to other techniques from itachi i don't think sasuke has susanoo because i dont think sosanoo is a sharingan special technique.
The moment before Kirin struck, Itachi still had his left eye. The moment after, when he activated Susanoo, he had lost sight in his left eye as well.
Itachi also had his right eye before he used Amaterasu. After he used it, the eye lost it's sight.

"The more you use the MS, the closer you get to losing your eyesight."

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[Vladnik]

I meant Amaterasu. As we know sasuke will be using amaterasu next ch. We also know that the eyes are different for each user. Itachi's Amererasu burns everything it comes in contact, maybe sasuke has a version that does something else. When it comes to other techniques from itachi i don't think sasuke has susanoo because i dont think sosanoo is a sharingan special technique.

Uta was said that after Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu Susanoo comes->Sharingan technique for me

[Atemu]

Why do people keep saying Sasuke use Itachi technics with his own version. Is the same thing. It work the same, look the same. If it don't have other diffrentsies is the f**king same thing.

I don't agree with you here. Even if the technique is the same, based of who uses it, it may look different and have different effect on the target. Kakashi explained to naruto that a technique strength and effect is determined by the users manipulation of chakra.
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The moment before Kirin struck, Itachi still had his left eye. The moment after, when he activated Susanoo, he had lost sight in his left eye as well.
Itachi also had his right eye before he used Amaterasu. After he used it, the eye lost it's sight.

"The more you use the MS, the closer you get to losing your eyesight."



Well i do agree with you that itachi uses his eyes to active sosanoo, but lets think this way, what if orichimaru found the spirit sword before itachi. can you say that orochimaru could not use the sword. Sosanoo is merely a name for the technique itachi made up for the sword, or a technique that helps him summon the sword.

[Alexis]

Well i do agree with you that itachi uses his eyes to active sosanoo, but lets think this way, what if orichimaru found the spirit sword before itachi. can you say that orochimaru could not use the sword. Sosanoo is merely a name for the technique itachi made up for the sword, or a technique that helps him summon the sword.
The way I understood it is that Orochimaru was searching for the sword of Totsuka he had heard of. But the reason he never found it was because he never realized that the sword wasn't a physical one, but a spirit sword. Perhaps that means it was a jutsu. Perhaps a jutsu only the sharingan is capable of creating. But whether Susanoo the shield (mirror) and the sword belong to the same jutsu is uncertain.

[Andonan]

It gave the impression to me that Itachi had added the sword to the technique later, I think Susanoo is like a complete protection jutsu, that no matter what protects the summoner from harm, then Itachi added the sword so it could also attack.....

[Alexis]

Well even if that were the case, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that Itachi transfered his own Susanoo to Sasuke. Both mirror and sword. But even if he only happened to have the mirror, I think the ultimate defense would be more suited if they planed to defend and run away. But Sasuke is now using the ultimate offense. It looks to me like he wants to win.

[neomaster121]

i think sasuke has all 6ems jutsu ready time warp jutsus included but he can't activate them until he uses itachi's eyes or like he said unlocked the new power his own way

[Atemu]

The way I understood it is that Orochimaru was searching for the sword of Totsuka he had heard of. But the reason he never found it was because he never realized that the sword wasn't a physical one, but a spirit sword. Perhaps that means it was a jutsu. Perhaps a jutsu only the sharingan is capable of creating. But whether Susanoo the shield (mirror) and the sword belong to the same jutsu is uncertain.

Exactly orichimaru was searching for the sword. He may not know that the sword wasn't physical but that doesn't change the fact that someone else could poses the sword and the shield. its just that itachi was the lucky one.

[Alexis]

Exactly orichimaru was searching for the sword. He may not know that the sword wasn't physical but that doesn't change the fact that someone else could poses the sword and the shield. its just that itachi was the lucky one.
Well theres also the matter of only certain people being able to wield certain jutsu. For example, blood limit techniques are limited to a certain group of people. Orochimau's information about the sword seemed vague, as he believed it was a physical sword, and it turned out to be a jutsu. It's possible that this jutsu is a blood limit technique produced by the Mangekyou sharingan. That would explain why he was only able to acquire such a limited amount of information about it.
Or perhaps it is a non blood limit jutsu. But in that case I guess several people could use the sword at the same time.

[Atemu]

When its comes to why he is using Ameterasu right know, even though the technique may be a offense type i dont think he has the intention of winning. at least not in his presence state.

[neomaster121]

When its comes to why he is using Ameterasu right know, even though the technique may be a offense type i dont think he has the intention of winning. at least not in his presence state.

its his only choice win or die he can't run

unless someone helps sasuke

[Atemu]

Well theres also the matter of only certain people being able to wield certain jutsu. For example, blood limit techniques are limited to a certain group of people. Orochimau's information about the sword seemed vague, as he believed it was a physical sword, and it turned out to be a jutsu. It's possible that this jutsu is a blood limit technique produced by the sharingan.

Sosanoo may be blood limited technique, but there is nothing that indicates that the sword orichimaru was talking about is blood limited. As a mentioned before i think sosanoo is some kind of the technique that enables itachi to use the two items.

[Alexis]

When its comes to why he is using Ameterasu right know, even though the technique may be a offense type i dont think he has the intention of winning. at least not in his presence state.
Well Sasuke used the genjutsu on 8 tails earlier in an attempt to win, believing that it would work. Now that he uses a second MS jutsu, what reason does Sasuke have to believe that the "impossible to dodge" Amaterasu that "burns anything" won't work on 8 tails?

If he believes it will work, I see no reason why he wouldn't try.
If he doubts that it will work, then the question is what reason does he have to doubt it?


Sosanoo may be blood limited technique, but there is nothing that indicates that the sword orichimaru was talking about is blood limited. As a mentioned before i think sosanoo is some kind of the technique that enables itachi to use the two items.
We only know that Orochimaru had limited information of what it was. And we have only seen it appear as a result of a bloodlimit doujutsu, so it's quite possible that it is one. Not 100% but that's the most we have to go on until it is further explained.

[Atemu]

In other words sasuke is desperate right now.

[Alexis]

They're obviously in big trouble. But as someone mentioned before regarding the Naruto vs. Gaara fight, it was mentioned in the manga that "only when you protect something important to you are you able to be at your strongest." It will be interesting to see how Sasuke's "emotional" Amaterasu will be able to help them, now that he realized that he had friends looking out for him all along.

[Atemu]

I am interested in how sasuke is going to protect them. what is most important? saving them or defeating the enemy. if he succeeds defeating the enemy then he will save them as well, but if he fails??

[Csdabest]

I think Susano'o owns the sword and sheild and oro couldnt find it cuz you needed to summon susano'o

[Atemu]

I think Susano'o owns the sword and sheild and oro couldnt find it cuz you needed to summon susano'o

I thought about that too. actually it will make more sense this way. not susanoo but the sword(cant remember name) is some kind of summoning. susanoo is sharingan technique

[samsiufan]

They're obviously in big trouble. But as someone mentioned before regarding the Naruto vs. Gaara fight, it was mentioned in the manga that "only when you protect something important to you are you able to be at your strongest." It will be interesting to see how Sasuke's "emotional" Amaterasu will be able to help them, now that he realized that he had friends looking out for him all along.

True but Sasuke has never been one for the Will of Fire, I find this new development a bit out of Character....The will of fire and protecting some one that is important to you has always been core to Konoha Nins who really love Konoha and will do everything to protect it...Sasuke was never one of them if not Sasuke would potentially have defeated Gaara and not Naruto...This is just Kishi's way to make Sasuke survive and fight another day and I believe it is out of Character for Sasuke......and it cheapens the whole WOF/fight to protect ethos if just any character including Sasuke can just use it. The WOF/Protect something important is the hallmark of Konoha and the spirit of Konoha.....I just think Kishi is really making it cheap by having Sasuke use it....I leave it here....just my opinion about the end of the 414 chapter.....:mad but not quite...:tem

[burningrubble]

True but Sasuke has never been one for the Will of Fire, I find this new development a bit out of Character....The will of fire and protecting some one that is important to you has always been core to Konoha Nins who really love Konoha and will do everything to protect it...Sasuke was never one of them if not Sasuke would potentially have defeated Gaara and not Naruto...This is just Kishi's way to make Sasuke survive and fight another day and I believe it is out of Character for Sasuke......and it cheapens the whole WOF/fight to protect ethos if just any character including Sasuke can just use it. The WOF/Protect something important is the hallmark of Konoha and the spirit of Konoha.....I just think Kishi is really making it cheap by having Sasuke use it....I leave it here....just my opinion about the end of the 414 chapter.....:mad but not quite...:tem

I disagree...this is totally Sasuke going back to his roots. How is it out of character when it is something that he did before? Remember the Haku fight, and the Gaara fight? I don't want my comrades to die...that speech? It's only after this that he remembers that he's an avenger, and now Itachi's gone...so he's no longer that avenger. He only told them all that his time with the leaf was a game so that he could convince himself to abandon them.

[gold349]

This is Saske, the one that left konoha looking for power was the avenger. Saske has showed many times he cares but his problem was that he couldn't/wouldn't expect others stronger than him or happened not to give them the chance to contribute but wanted to be the leader all the time. He put up a front, he put to the back of his mind the real him, it was still going on until this realisation, I so hope that he has learned his lesson and changes like Gaara but still keeps to his path for a while longer.

[Shinsatsu]

Agreed....There's more than meets the eye here!!! (Sorry was re-watching transformers in HD last night...lol)

But IDK fukusaku knows hermit mode was only able to push back pein, hermit mode is not enough to defeat pein. But fukusaku most have something in mind.

I have to say no. The only reason that Jiraya was defeated is because he didn't know that there were six bodies not 3. And if Pein started the fight with all his bodies, they would've been all obliterated because the genjutsu and the plan used to kill the three can be used to kill 6.
Above all, Jiraya's hermit mode wasnt complete and he didnt master it yet ...

Imagine how much power will naruto gain when he combines his own skills and sage arts...

[Devil-buster]

I have to say no. The only reason that Jiraya was defeated is because he didn't know that there were six bodies not 3. And if Pein started the fight with all his bodies, they would've been all obliterated because the genjutsu and the plan used to kill the three can be used to kill 6.
Above all, Jiraya's hermit mode wasnt complete and he didnt master it yet ...

Imagine how much power will naruto gain when he combines his own skills and sage arts...

Each body of pain usually contains one specific path...one is a ninjutsu absorber, one is summoning expert, one other body seems to be water user as well as have other stong jutsu's (like cloning and sealing jutsu's), but we do not know the powers of the rest....For all we know one of them could be a genjutsu expert....otherwise he would have been exremely vulnerable against the sharingan......so if pa had used the genjutsu while all six were there it might not have worked.....

Naruto is good in taijutsu and some ninjutsu but these are already countered by pains abilities as seen from jiraiya fight.....naruto doesnt use any genjutsu,and I dont think pain will fall for pa and ma's genjutsu again....

[laughing@you]

I have to say no. The only reason that Jiraya was defeated is because he didn't know that there were six bodies not 3. And if Pein started the fight with all his bodies, they would've been all obliterated because the genjutsu and the plan used to kill the three can be used to kill 6.
Above all, Jiraya's hermit mode wasnt complete and he didnt master it yet ...

Imagine how much power will naruto gain when he combines his own skills and sage arts...

:offtopic2

Exactly my point. Hermit mode didn't win the fight but those two old frog geezers with their genjutsu. It wasn't jiraiya. His taijutsu was strong and he almost took one of pein's bodies head off but that still was not gonna cut it. He knew that and forced a fight in closed quarters to hinder the advantage of pein's numbers. Classic good ol'strategy.

But what you say is true if all pein bodies were out he could have kill them all if cought in that genjutsu. But then again if the real one is not with them is like beating a bunch of kage bunshins. Guess we will get more details when naruto, kakashi, or tsunade faces pein.

Back on topic

Naruto will get strong with the sage arts, the point that i'm trying to make is that naruto needs more than just physical strength from the sage arts. And fukusaku must know this cuz he was there. I'm thinking that later on in the training fukusaku shall reveal to naruto what is his plan to defeat pein and train naruto on the jutsus he requires. (preys that its the case). But like any new training naruto needs the basics of the sage arts and thats what we are seeing right now!!!

[Alexis]

I have to say no. The only reason that Jiraya was defeated is because he didn't know that there were six bodies not 3. And if Pein started the fight with all his bodies, they would've been all obliterated because the genjutsu and the plan used to kill the three can be used to kill 6.
Above all, Jiraya's hermit mode wasnt complete and he didnt master it yet ...
We don't know yet if the secret is only that he had 6 bodies. It could be something else. For example what Jiraya realized before he died.
Pain revealed a new body a few chapters ago, so killing those six might not have worked anyway.

[neomaster121]

:offtopic2

Exactly my point. Hermit mode didn't win the fight but those two old frog geezers with their genjutsu. It wasn't jiraiya. His taijutsu was strong and he almost took one of pein's bodies head off but that still was not gonna cut it. He knew that and forced a fight in closed quarters to hinder the advantage of pein's numbers. Classic good ol'strategy.

But what you say is true if all pein bodies were out he could have kill them all if cought in that genjutsu. But then again if the real one is not with them is like beating a bunch of kage bunshins. Guess we will get more details when naruto, kakashi, or tsunade faces pein.

Back on topic

Naruto will get strong with the sage arts, the point that i'm trying to make is that naruto needs more than just physical strength from the sage arts. And fukusaku must know this cuz he was there. I'm thinking that later on in the training fukusaku shall reveal to naruto what is his plan to defeat pein and train naruto on the jutsus he requires. (preys that its the case). But like any new training naruto needs the basics of the sage arts and thats what we are seeing right now!!!


this is exactly what i mean when i say naruto needs more than just rasengan and kage bunshin

if hes to beat pein any rasengan is useless against the fat pein
then all hes got is kage bunshin but as soo many have pointed out kage bunshin plus senjutsu is a no no even if he does master it

so he needs more jutsu's than what hes got, my prediction after the pein attack is another time jump where naruto goes and trains with the frogs for a few years since kage bunshin training won't be used in high numbers

[jodi]

Naruto didn't need a powerup training... he needs school.

go learn stuff from Kakashi-sensei, get smarter, get more agile, faster thoughts

without knowing Pain's secrets, you can't beat him with only strong attacks.
(Pain is not the last overpowered Shinobi that Naruto will have to fight in his life, so he won't have access to their secrets beforehand)

[The Adamant Dragon]

Though before He fights Pain, He's got to have another Fight beforehand... Because if he's fighting Pain and They're on par, People will just say that Kishi gave him ZOMG powers from Nowere... and it won't seem Realistic, Because right now it seems like he's got no chance. So there's got to be a fight between his training and his fight against Pain.

So he's got to have a fair fight ON HIS OWN ( Please kishi ) before he fights Pain to show us what he's able to do after his training... Then Go to Kick Pain's ass <--- though that won't be easy. He's in for the fight of his life. I Hope kishi does give a relatively strong foe ( But wicker than Pain ) to show his new level, not just to POP-up out of nowere and Kicking the Bad guys asses.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

The reason Pein is so powerful is because even if you kill a body they come back alive, unless of course you kill them in a certain way i.e break those metal things.

I think Pein in the upcoming chapters will kill a shit load of shinobi and when Pein finds out Naruto isn't there, will capture Kakashi.

[samsiufan]

I disagree...this is totally Sasuke going back to his roots. How is it out of character when it is something that he did before? Remember the Haku fight, and the Gaara fight? I don't want my comrades to die...that speech? It's only after this that he remembers that he's an avenger, and now Itachi's gone...so he's no longer that avenger. He only told them all that his time with the leaf was a game so that he could convince himself to abandon them.

That's fair and square but I believe Sasuke has always been "self-centred" and eventhough all that you have stated above is true, it as always been to achieve his own goals. Even now it is about him and not Taka (read the several comments Suigetsu has made so far). The whole purpose of WOF (See Naruto, see the 4th, see Jiraiya, see the 3rd) is to protect those you love and not about self...If you can tell me this is what Sasuke is doing...I will accept your point, until then the jury is out...

[jodi]

The reason Pein is so powerful is because even if you kill a body they come back alive, unless of course you kill them in a certain way i.e break those metal things.

I think Pein in the upcoming chapters will kill a shit load of shinobi and when Pein finds out Naruto isn't there, will capture Kakashi.

why would Pain capture Kakashi?

to make Naruto go after him?

isn't easier capturing.. er... Iruka?
=p

Kakashi would be tough to Pain

[makko]

This is Saske, the one that left konoha looking for power was the avenger. Saske has showed many times he cares but his problem was that he couldn't/wouldn't expect others stronger than him or happened not to give them the chance to contribute but wanted to be the leader all the time. He put up a front, he put to the back of his mind the real him, it was still going on until this realisation, I so hope that he has learned his lesson and changes like Gaara but still keeps to his path for a while longer.

He also is so obsessed with power that he doesn't even acknowledge anyone unless they have more or equal power to him. The flashback to Team 7 is showing him that that should no longer be the case. Not only has he been in tough situation in this fight and been forced to have help from weaker ninjas but he's also had to listen juuusst a little to "weaker" ninjas. He never took Team 7 seriously till now because this fight has shown him in reality the value of people who care about him. Other than being Hokage Naruto wants to be strong so that Sasuke will listen to him... sad but it looks like Sasuke is learning now that its ok to listen.

[shinobi]

I don't think killing the 6 bodies of pein is the answer, they should know how he controls many bodies together and who's the real one J-man was talking about. also I think this one is more powerful than the others.

[jodi]

I don't think killing the 6 bodies of pein is the answer, they should know how he controls many bodies together and who's the real one J-man was talking about. also I think this one is more powerful than the others.

I think that he can split his powers into 6 Pains, when they die, his powers are back onto the source and he awakens like a god.

[Jobu]

Each body of pain usually contains one specific path...one is a ninjutsu absorber, one is summoning expert, one other body seems to be water user as well as have other stong jutsu's (like cloning and sealing jutsu's), but we do not know the powers of the rest....For all we know one of them could be a genjutsu expert....otherwise he would have been exremely vulnerable against the sharingan......so if pa had used the genjutsu while all six were there it might not have worked.....

Naruto is good in taijutsu and some ninjutsu but these are already countered by pains abilities as seen from jiraiya fight.....naruto doesnt use any genjutsu,and I dont think pain will fall for pa and ma's genjutsu again....
Yes it seems as if pains has a body for each "type", do we know what all the types are?
1. ninjutsu
2. summoning jutsu
3. Healing/medical? justu ( maybe, because one brought other bodies back from "death" )
4. taijutsu I assume
5. Chakra sucking?
6. genjutsu?

Alternatives?

next chapter: Amaterasu burns the monster, leaving the host alone and undefended, then, one of several things may happen:
-Karin will then bite him and suck out most of his remaining chakra
-Karin will bite sasuke because he is "so cool"
-Taka picks up suigestsu and beats a retreat while cloud nins rescue 8 man
-Taka stays in cloud country to recover and get 8 man later
-Naruto begins learning how to get sage chakra without oil. and starts to pick up techniques ( both of which he can do with KB since he only turns into a frog with the oil ).
6.

[Tweaker]

why would Pain capture Kakashi?

to make Naruto go after him?

isn't easier capturing.. er... Iruka?
=p

Kakashi would be tough to Pain

nah Pein has to capture Sakura^^
because then will we see naruto reaction when he finds out what has happened =P

[laughing@you]

this is exactly what i mean when i say naruto needs more than just rasengan and kage bunshin

if hes to beat pein any rasengan is useless against the fat pein
then all hes got is kage bunshin but as soo many have pointed out kage bunshin plus senjutsu is a no no even if he does master it

so he needs more jutsu's than what hes got, my prediction after the pein attack is another time jump where naruto goes and trains with the frogs for a few years since kage bunshin training won't be used in high numbers

Agreed. Jiraiya's fight against pein showed that almost every jutsu naruto has, will be either canceled or countered.

Unless kishimoto's idea is for naruto to pull a thousand kage-bunshin in hermit mode to out number pein. Cuz it would be lame in my book same old crap.

[burningrubble]

That's fair and square but I believe Sasuke has always been "self-centred" and eventhough all that you have stated above is true, it as always been to achieve his own goals. Even now it is about him and not Taka (read the several comments Suigetsu has made so far). The whole purpose of WOF (See Naruto, see the 4th, see Jiraiya, see the 3rd) is to protect those you love and not about self...If you can tell me this is what Sasuke is doing...I will accept your point, until then the jury is out...

Yes, that's what I think. He remembers his team, he realizes that his team will also die to help him, and he once again remembers what it was like to have teammates, and to put their safety before his own revenge. Otherwise he wouldn't have had that flashback...I think that Sasuke has gone back to being the good Sasuke who would die to save Naruto.

[gold349]

Agreed. Jiraiya's fight against pein showed that almost every jutsu naruto has, will be either canceled or countered.

Unless kishimoto's idea is for naruto to pull a thousand kage-bunshin in hermit mode to out number pein. Cuz it would be lame in my book same old crap.

In all honesty I think Naruto will have to once learned as much as senjutsu arts he can, that will bring him maybe to the level Jiraiya was and will only achieve similar result as Jiraiya so I'm thinking the key "that jutsu" will be the factor in going past were Jiraiya got to and give him that extra boost needed to fight Pain, the Pain that fought Jiraiya was, ok pushed but that wasn't all of rin'nagan power and Naruto will get the full brunt of Pain when they meet and sage chakra plus something extra will have to be used to get victory, maybe like I, you and many others think that his Kb's strengthened with sage chakra and kyubi chakra will be the way to approach that fight.

[x_ploit_x]

The senjutsu training will give him what he needs to complete FRS

[jerger]

maybe naruto will learn to fight like pein, using his 1k bushins as his eyes

[bean]

maybe naruto will learn to fight like pein, using his 1k bushins as his eyes
that would be cool, but he would have to create and disperse KBs constantly...I dunno if he has the chakra to keep something like that up.

[jerger]

i think he has teh chakra but i dont think he'd want to kill himself lol probably wont happen. i mean kill his clones all the time.

[makko]

Instead of fight like Pein i want Naruto to be able to switch between KB's. Choose which one he wasn't to be. If one is learning something and has a great point of attack i want him to be able to switch to that KB with his consciousness as well. That would be dope.

[shinobi]

I think that he can split his powers into 6 Pains, when they die, his powers are back onto the source and he awakens like a god.

I'd like if the statues, the piercings and the hidden room where the peins where hidden have roles in pein's secret along with the riningan of course.

[neomaster121]

if naruto 1hit ko pein with only 1 jutsu

i just wouldn't believe it

[bean]

i think he has teh chakra but i dont think he'd want to kill himself lol probably wont happen. i mean kill his clones all the time.
he doesn't have to kill them, he can disperse them at will...

[Punkas]

I think Senjutsu will allow Naruto to create at least 6 very strong Kage Bunshins, to counter all 6 of Pain's bodies.

Maybe we will see 6 diferent fights, each one with different strategies to beat each of Pain's bodies, then 1 EPIC-MEGA battle between Naruto and the real Pain.

[MrBiggs401]

I don't know if we are giving Jiraiya-sama the respect he deserves. For some reason I'm thinking that Naruto will need a little more than just Sage Arts training to get to the level of J-man. If Itachi (with Kisame as his wing man) had an ounce of fear and much respect for Jiraiya, that tells me his strength is amazing. If Pein didn't know about J-man's Hermit Mode, then I don't think Itachi knew about it, and feared J-man's power in his natural form. Itachi manhandled and shoved a crow down Naruto's throat. School yard bully style

[laughing@you]

I don't know if we are giving Jiraiya-sama the respect he deserves. For some reason I'm thinking that Naruto will need a little more than just Sage Arts training to get to the level of J-man. If Itachi (with Kisame as his wing man) had an ounce of fear and much respect for Jiraiya, that tells me his strength is amazing. If Pein didn't know about J-man's Hermit Mode, then I don't think Itachi knew about it, and feared J-man's power in his natural form. Itachi manhandled and shoved a crow down Naruto's throat. School yard bully style

I disagree, we are not disrespecting jiraiya, I say jiraiya gave pein a run for his money. As fukusaku said nobody would have gone that far fighting pein. We are acknowledging his power. He paved the way on how to defeat pein, unfortunately he lost. We are saying naruto needs to achieve that level or come up with a better strategy to beat pein. In my book jiraiya fought one hell of a fight. Fukusaku is preping naruto to beat pein. We shall see what fukusaku has in store for naruto.

Which also makes me think that probably that genjutsu the frog used against pein might not work on the next fight due to the fact that next time it won’t be in a tunnel or sewer like last time.

On another note, kishimoto could turn this into an emotional roller coaster if naruto finishes his training, and back in konoha pein has kakashi, tsunade, sakura and the elders hostage, and he has to surrender to pein so they can survive. Enter the “Naruto rescure arc”

[llamapie]

I disagree, we are not disrespecting jiraiya, I say jiraiya gave pein a run for his money. As fukusaku said nobody would have gone that far fighting pein. We are acknowledging his power. He paved the way on how to defeat pein, unfortunately he lost. We are saying naruto needs to achieve that level or come up with a better strategy to beat pein. In my book jiraiya fought one hell of a fight. Fukusaku is preping naruto to beat pein. We shall see what fukusaku has in store for naruto.

Which also makes me think that probably that genjutsu the frog used against pein might not work on the next fight due to the fact that next time it won’t be in a tunnel or sewer like last time.

On another note, kishimoto could turn this into an emotional roller coaster if naruto finishes his training, and back in konoha pein has kakashi, tsunade, sakura and the elders hostage, and he has to surrender to pein so they can survive. Enter the “Naruto rescure arc”

Actually naruto is probably the best match for Pain, they're both clone type shinobi. Though Pain's clones are obviously more advanced in a way we don't know yet, Naruto likely beats him in the category of stamina. What this training will achieve for Naruto is maybe a way to extend the vitality of all his clones. Thats what I want to see. Naruto using his clones in a way that they all dont just automatically go to waste would be nice.

[c0nflikt]

Ok, so it's kinda hinted that Madara can get stronger...

Maybe the way is for him to take someone elses EMS to evolve his eyes to a further level, possibly that beyond even Renningan.

So Madara forces Susuke into fight after fight where he MUST used MS to succeed and eventually go blind and then use Itachi's eyes. Once he does that's when Madara takes them....

So this is basically the first stage, Susuke might have to go full out with everything his MS has to beat the Eight tails.


I think there could be something to this seeing as madara seemingly only has one eye, he may want sasuke to take the eyes so he can take his other eye so he can do all of the ms techniques or maybe there is even greater power if you take the transfered eyes.

[burningrubble]

I don't know if we are giving Jiraiya-sama the respect he deserves. For some reason I'm thinking that Naruto will need a little more than just Sage Arts training to get to the level of J-man. If Itachi (with Kisame as his wing man) had an ounce of fear and much respect for Jiraiya, that tells me his strength is amazing. If Pein didn't know about J-man's Hermit Mode, then I don't think Itachi knew about it, and feared J-man's power in his natural form. Itachi manhandled and shoved a crow down Naruto's throat. School yard bully style

For all you know, Itachi was just lying to Kisame, because he didn't want to capture Naruto. Kisame might not be a match for Jiraiya, but Itachi? Susanoo? I mean, it's something that's been bothering me...Itachi crushed Orochimaru, and Jiraiya cannot beat Orochimaru enough to get him to return to the Leaf Village. I know this is flawed logic, but it's like Itachi>Orochimaru=Jiraiya

And, in any case, Itachi was still serving the interests of the Leaf. And capturing Naruto would not serve that interest.

[MrBiggs401]

I see why there is a seperate thread for "Who's the strongest shinobi" in Narutoverse. Because of the plot twist, deception, etc. its very hard to get an accurate understanding of who is stronger than whom. DBZ was a little more clear cut with the use of power level, and power level readers. In Naruto, chakra is important, but its surely not the trump card, citing Shikimaru and Kakashi as examples of great shinbois that lack huge chakra reserves. I'm in agreement that it would be nice to see Naruto complete his sage training and then battle a strong opponent before locking horns with Pein.
I predict that Pein will come to Konoha, and wreck shop. Tsunade-sama will send the communication frog (which I think was dropped in the plot for foreshadowing) to tell Fukasaku to keep Naruto at Myoboku (spelling) Mountain for more extensive trainging. I think we will see all the major characters (Naruto and Sasuke) in need of yet another upgrade in order to battle the current level of enemy. We can't forget that these are some kids battling older more experienced shinobi. I see Might Gai becoming a fatality.

[miles2go]

For all you know, Itachi was just lying to Kisame, because he didn't want to capture Naruto. Kisame might not be a match for Jiraiya, but Itachi? Susanoo? I mean, it's something that's been bothering me...Itachi crushed Orochimaru, and Jiraiya cannot beat Orochimaru enough to get him to return to the Leaf Village. I know this is flawed logic, but it's like Itachi>Orochimaru=Jiraiya

And, in any case, Itachi was still serving the interests of the Leaf. And capturing Naruto would not serve that interest.

I think it's a case of styles make fights. Itachi had the one weapon that could take out Oro. Also, I don't think Jiraiya actually wanted to kill Oro just contain him. I don't think he had it in him to kill Oro.

[warbandit66]

He didn't even want to hurt him, just convince him and any damage he may have caused to him was probably in self defense.

[Uru]

Sasuke's decision!!!
What about that?

He decided to use brother power (That he would never want it going against his ego..) to protect his guys or he is thinking to fight still the end (creating an occasion in order to allow the friends to save itself)?
Or last scene he was thinkng in his flashback (kakshi,sakura&naruto) was just a kishi way to try to tell us something like a eartquake in his black side?

Uru

P.S.

Itachi crushed Orochimaru, and Jiraiya cannot beat Orochimaru enough to get him to return to the Leaf Village. I know this is flawed logic, but it's like Itachi>Orochimaru=Jiraiya


You are missing a point, sorry.
J-man simply understood that bring back Orochimaru was useless.And, in fact, he told the same thing to naruto before starting the 2 years long training..
He told him to forget Sasuke as first thing..
(He was thinking that with his brain but he wasnt the guy of the profecy.. And he still will not knew that about Naruto.. Naruto will change the things.. eheh)

The bad&black Orochimaru's heart has waked up Jiraya from its dream (to carry behind Oro.. It was a non sense..)
It simply has resigned itself... J-man was much strongher than Oro..
No doubt.. Hitachi feared about him and he dont knew about the hermit mode..
I hate speak using IF and BUT.. If just Erosannin began the fight with all 6 body of pein.. Pein was without future..

[Kusachu]

For all you know, Itachi was just lying to Kisame, because he didn't want to capture Naruto. Kisame might not be a match for Jiraiya, but Itachi? Susanoo? I mean, it's something that's been bothering me...Itachi crushed Orochimaru, and Jiraiya cannot beat Orochimaru enough to get him to return to the Leaf Village. I know this is flawed logic, but it's like Itachi>Orochimaru=Jiraiya

And, in any case, Itachi was still serving the interests of the Leaf. And capturing Naruto would not serve that interest.


The thing about Susanoo is, it isn't clear that Itachi had ever actually used it before his death. I guess we'll see soon enough if Sasuke actually uses it, but to me it seemed like Susanoo was like a final attack. Like, odds would be if you used it you would die. There's no proof of it, but it seems like such an ultimate move that I get that impression.

I just really don't think that Itachi could have taken Jiraiya in a fair fight. There seemed to be so much more to him that we never saw. But we'll never really know I guess.

But anyways! It occurs to me that I never even chimed in about the chapter this week! O__O Well, I loved it. I especially loved Suigetsu and his dashingness. *chuckle* The Sasuke stuff was predictable but still very sweet. I laughed at the emo-Amaterasuness. heh. See? When the clothes come off it starts to get interesting. But I'm with Karin on the 'wtf Juugo turned into a kid'ness. I hope we get an acceptable explanation for that little...plot twist thing. Like, what, did they think he wasn't cool enough as an adult? Or did Sasuke just require THAT MUCH of his flesh as to shrink him?? O___o

Speaking of that, OH NOES!!! SASUKE'S BEATIFUL PECKS!! THEY'RE RUINED!!! :oThat's pretty awesome though. I hope he stays all mutilated. With all the fighting Sasuke does his body should be covered with scars by now, yet when he removed his shirt (or when it got removed for him) he's always got flawless skin. So I'm all, bring on the scars! His outside needs to match his inside. :nod

[narutokuro]

looking at kusachu's pic of sauske in CS doing a fireball vs. itachi's fireball...i def think sasuke is weaker now that he has lost CS. Imagine if he has CS while using his new MS...would the technique be any stronger?

Prediction. I believe amaratsu will hurt the 8 tails but will not defeat him. The 8tails will cast another assault on hawk and madara will save them in a cliff hanger splash page. Naruto will learn more senjutsu but will gain no intellectual experience points (, like always).

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Who said we aren't getting a chapter this week?

Yeah Sasuke would be stronger with CS but Kishi knew Sasuke would be too strong so took away CS.

I also expect Pein next chapter or some development on Pein's autopsy.

[Criss-Kun]

The Eye-taking thingy is overused, I doubt that's what Madara wants.

But, on the chapter matter, I also doubt the Amaterasu will cause huge damage to Hachibi, maybe just enough time for them to flee.

[gold349]

The Eye-taking thingy is overused, I doubt that's what Madara wants.

But, on the chapter matter, I also doubt the Amaterasu will cause huge damage to Hachibi, maybe just enough time for them to flee.


that is what they really need, to get the hell out of thunder country but it looks that is out of the question and the door seems to be closing on them with the cloud nins coming.

they will need to capture/restrain/ko hachibi to survive, the cloud nins are sure to join in or intervene somehow, takka will have to deal with them too so they don't call back up but that will only happen if the come into the fight.

off topic - Itachi jutsu were ubber, his taijutsu was remarkable too as well as his genjutsu use but Jiraiya in hermit mode was super ubber IMO. Jiraiya could have dealt with genjutsu (even tsukuyomi like hachibi did with Saske) by over powering it by natural energy or getting nai dai sannin to disrupt it. Taijutsu was no probs too, Jiraiya power levels and senjutsu arts would have out classed Itachis. Amaterasu & Susano'o issue is debatable, could/would Jiraiya be able to counter/deal with them, Amaterasu, Jiraiya showed he had seals to contain it, could he do something about it in battle and I would think he could especially in hermit mode. Susano'o was a jutsu which I liked in the whole of the manga due to its attack and defence properties but I honestly think that Jiraiya could have avoided its sword with the speed he gained from hermit mode and the tricks (smoke bombs) used by nai and dai sannin, the defensive properties of Susano'o were second to none, Itachi using it would be last resort and I know Jiraiya would push him to his limits, could Jiraiya out last Itachi chakra and stamina wise I think that he could, maybe he would/could win, gain victory even over Itachi using susano'o by lasting longer not getting a hit from its sword and exhausting Itachi to expel it, I think he could do that.

[DanteSonOfSparda]

For all you know, Itachi was just lying to Kisame, because he didn't want to capture Naruto. Kisame might not be a match for Jiraiya, but Itachi? Susanoo? I mean, it's something that's been bothering me...Itachi crushed Orochimaru, and Jiraiya cannot beat Orochimaru enough to get him to return to the Leaf Village. I know this is flawed logic, but it's like Itachi>Orochimaru=Jiraiya

And, in any case, Itachi was still serving the interests of the Leaf. And capturing Naruto would not serve that interest.

Predictions about who is stronger are mostly based on flawed logic in anime discussions, so that shouldn't be a problem ;)

However, if your theory was right it would mean that Kisame who didn't know of Itachi's true affiliation with Konoha was totally unable to measure Jiraya's strength. Being the skilled shinobi that he is (huge chakra reserves, one of the seven swordsmen, close buddy of Madara...), he should have seen through Itachi's lie. At least that's what I'm thinking:blink

[bean]

The Eye-taking thingy is overused, I doubt that's what Madara wants.

But, on the chapter matter, I also doubt the Amaterasu will cause huge damage to Hachibi, maybe just enough time for them to flee.
overused? like how naruto uses kagebunshins or like how tsunade regenerated herself? cause the eye taking thingy hasn't really been used that much...

[vintagemistakes]

I'm confused on why so many people want to see Team Taka flee... I mean, who the heck wants to see Hachibi vs Team Taka part II...?

The Hachibi has already served it's purpose. He's demonstrated what a jinchuuriki is really capable of, shown that Sasuke isn't a god, and that he may actually care about things/people other than his own selfish desires... what else can the guy do thats beneficial to the story by keeping him around?

[laughing@you]

I'm confused on why so many people want to see Team Taka flee... I mean, who the heck wants to see Hachibi vs Team Taka part II...?

The Hachibi has already served it's purpose. He's demonstrated what a jinchuuriki is really capable of, shown that Sasuke isn't a god, and that he may actually care about things/people other than his own selfish desires... what else can the guy do thats beneficial to the story by keeping him around?

I do!!

I want to see sasuke running for his life......hell i don't care if kishimoto dedicates 3 chapters to it!!! I'll watch it!!! I'll even go pay for the manga at freaking japan!!!(most likely i'll ebay it)

Just for the fun of it!!

I want to see that SOB humbled, hit rock bottom!!

[shinobi]

There wont be a rematch. Karin already said last chapter that they can't flee without leaving suijutsu behind, which I think they wont do.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

Naruto didn't need a powerup training... he needs school.

go learn stuff from Kakashi-sensei, get smarter, get more agile, faster thoughts



Really? He is way smarter than most ninjas...observe every single one of his fights and it reveals that he is naturally talented (and smart) as far as fighting goes. He is super fast already...not as fast as Sasuke's shunshin...but still fast enough to get Kakuzu. He does think faster than most people. He excels not in analysis but in creativity...complete opposite of Sasuke (thus far, I can't think of any truly inspired moves by Sasuke in fights).

But, yeah, he does need to learn Senjutsu...if not for anything else, he probably needs it to complete his rasenshuriken.

[darkband]

@shinobi, it is possible for them to flee. All Sasuke has to do is pull out some trick to make it so he doesn't have to carry them all himself. Like summon and hypnotize another snake make it hold the rest of Taka in its mouth(and the snake could even hold suigetsu who is water) and unsummon it. Then he, as the only one really able to move uses run-no-jutsu and he's escaped.

Just like this Kishi can pull all sorts of things that will allow them to escape, so just don't say its impossible, because anythings possible.

[makko]

Really? He is way smarter than most ninjas...observe every single one of his fights and it reveals that he is naturally talented (and smart) as far as fighting goes. He is super fast already...not as fast as Sasuke's shunshin...but still fast enough to get Kakuzu. He does think faster than most people. He excels not in analysis but in creativity...complete opposite of Sasuke (thus far, I can't think of any truly inspired moves by Sasuke in fights).

But, yeah, he does need to learn Senjutsu...if not for anything else, he probably needs it to complete his rasenshuriken.

some good points but that move by sasukes with his chidori sword vd Deidera was amazing.
[hr]

@shinobi, it is possible for them to flee. All Sasuke has to do is pull out some trick to make it so he doesn't have to carry them all himself. Like summon and hypnotize another snake make it hold the rest of Taka in its mouth(and the snake could even hold suigetsu who is water) and unsummon it. Then he, as the only one really able to move uses run-no-jutsu and he's escaped.

Just like this Kishi can pull all sorts of things that will allow them to escape, so just don't say its impossible, because anythings possible.

I guess nothing is impossible. Just that given the current circumstances its a lil hard for the to escape. Kishi could create an opening but as of now there really isn't one. Especially if the 8tail moves well. If he doesn't... Sasuke can summons a magic black box if he wanted... booom energy blast. Lets go left.... boooo HUGE energy blast.

[laughing@you]

I'm thinking that sasuke will aim amaterasu to hachibi's eyes and try to escape. That is probably a good tactic to survive and escape.

Escape is their only chance. Juugo is in no condition to fight, suigetsu can barely hold his form, kairin is useless (her glasses are cracked she can't see good now, so she won't be able to fight. lol)...other than that the main player sasuke is out of breath, revived two times, and betting everything in his amaterasu.

[Sparkling Chidori]

I'm confused on why so many people want to see Team Taka flee... I mean, who the heck wants to see Hachibi vs Team Taka part II...?

The Hachibi has already served it's purpose. He's demonstrated what a jinchuuriki is really capable of, shown that Sasuke isn't a god, and that he may actually care about things/people other than his own selfish desires... what else can the guy do thats beneficial to the story by keeping him around?

I agree, but if they flee a second battle between the 8-tails and Taka is the obvious but not the only option story wise.

The thing is though, they have to flee either way, whether it's with the Hachibi or not, seeing as the village ninja's are now aware of the fight, It's hard to see them getting away at all, that's why I think either something unimaginable is gonna happen, or someone is going to have to make a sacrifice to hold the village/Hachibi back.

[pops]

i have to disagree with you guys who are saying that Hawk will flee. what would be the point of this...survival? i guess that would make sense, but as someone has already said, kishi stated that it isn't possible to leave without suigestsu. what would be the piont od saying this if they could just run away. as for the outcome of ameratsu (?) it don't believe it will kill the 8-tails nor do i think it will used as a chance to escape. kishi didn't spend like 3 months highlighting the abilities of the sharigan to have sasuke to be unseccessful in their mission. the only way i see that happening is if sasuke, about to land the finishing blow on the 8-tails decides to not capture him or kill him b/c he is a jinchurricki like naruto.

[laughing@you]

i have to disagree with you guys who are saying that Hawk will flee. what would be the point of this...survival? i guess that would make sense, but as someone has already said, kishi stated that it isn't possible to leave without suigestsu. what would be the piont od saying this if they could just run away. as for the outcome of ameratsu (?) it don't believe it will kill the 8-tails nor do i think it will used as a chance to escape. kishi didn't spend like 3 months highlighting the abilities of the sharigan to have sasuke to be unseccessful in their mission. the only way i see that happening is if sasuke, about to land the finishing blow on the 8-tails decides to not capture him or kill him b/c he is a jinchurricki like naruto.


Kishi spent 3 month overpowering the sharingan to now show its not unbeatable. We have to remember if the sharingan was so unbeatable they would have ruled konoha. Kishi is taking the time to show that not everybody is weak against the sharingan or god-sasuke.

Me personally i want to see sasuke flee cuz it makes sense. Tell me later he developed better team work and good strategy, i don't care if it is something stupid like sasuke saw with his sharingan that hachibi is lactose intolerant,....i don't care if he later defeats hachibi with a glass of milk, just that he saw what hachibi can do, and he went back and defeated him.

Plus sasuke hasn't lost a fight since the timeskip this is a good time as any.

[Jimmothy]

If Sasuke runs or beats 8-tails I think he's already had a revelation that won't make him the same Sasuke anymore. What has near-death and jeopardy with his team mates made him realize? No idea yet, but I think he's already learned his lesson.

[3shinkyo3]

^I agree with you jimmothy I feel what ever it was sasuke was supposed to gain from this he has learned it or at least well on the way to learning it. I just want to see how he and his team survives this encounter as the odds are stacked against them.

[stepsa]

well i believe hachibi might get hurt by amaterasu thus making him go berserk, as in the beast taking over, destroying everything with some uber beams, then the raikage comes and stops him, giving the chance for taka to escape, but who knows :D

[Kage Level]

I'm confused on why so many people want to see Team Taka flee... I mean, who the heck wants to see Hachibi vs Team Taka part II...?

The Hachibi has already served it's purpose. He's demonstrated what a jinchuuriki is really capable of, shown that Sasuke isn't a god, and that he may actually care about things/people other than his own selfish desires... what else can the guy do thats beneficial to the story by keeping him around?


I'm confused on why so many people want to see Team Taka flee... I mean, who the heck wants to see Hachibi vs Team Taka part II...?

The Hachibi has already served it's purpose. He's demonstrated what a jinchuuriki is really capable of, shown that Sasuke isn't a god, and that he may actually care about things/people other than his own selfish desires... what else can the guy do thats beneficial to the story by keeping him around?

i think it just depends on your preference of how you would like the story to progress. most people just want him to capture the Hachibi because they don't see anything coming out of not capturing him, but there are many options that Kishi could use.

i would like to see Taka fleeing because the Hachibi, like you said, has shown what a Jinchuriki is really capable of. i don't feel like Taka was put together to capture fully developed Jinchuriki, they came into this ill prepared as far as what to expect, and no one in the group is even close to being on par with Sasuke. all of the other Akatsuki groups consisted of two offensive juggernauts that could give their respective partners trouble in my view. team Taka winning this fight, in my eyes, diminishes the power of a quite capable Jinchuriki. if he's taken out by them, it leaves crazy questions as why Bijuu are so important? Bijuu's can take out ninjas villages with no problems but they can be taken out by team Taka so why not just put these ninja villages under your thumb forcefully using members of Akatsuki?

[Sparkling Chidori]

i think it just depends on your preference of how you would like the story to progress. most people just want him to capture the Hachibi because they don't see anything coming out of not capturing him, but there are many options that Kishi could use.



Very true, whatever the outcome of this fight is, Kishi can make the storyline benefit from it. Maybe Sasuke will understand how Naruto feels for him a bit more, we may see him actuallly giving Naruto a bit of thought. Actually can't wait for this episode, it may be the one the gives us an insight into the outcome of this battle.

[gold349]

^^we might not have to wait long, last chapter hachibi is right in takka face, Saske reminisces and we see him open his eye ready to spark Amaterasu. Hachibi is real close and this is going to be a point blank in his face, maybe Saske has already made his decision.

Like many I also think Saske has another agenda, this last chapter brought it closer to what that may be, he may be fighting those he cares for just as Itachi did but his actions were interpreted wrong/evil as does Saske look so far, inside he probably has already decided and this was his inside coming out, outside its "not give a shit, I'm Saske, I'm hard", I could see him becoming more serious, more selfish, much more emo in the short term just so to keep a front until the crunch moment.

[laughing@you]

^^we might not have to wait long, last chapter hachibi is right in takka face, Saske reminisces and we see him open his eye ready to spark Amaterasu. Hachibi is real close and this is going to be a point blank in his face, maybe Saske has already made his decision.

Like many I also think Saske has another agenda, this last chapter brought it closer to what that may be, he may be fighting those he cares for just as Itachi did but his actions were interpreted wrong/evil as does Saske look so far, inside he probably has already decided and this was his inside coming out, outside its "not give a shit, I'm Saske, I'm hard", I could see him becoming more serious, more selfish, much more emo in the short term just so to keep a front until the crunch moment.

Or probably deciding that jinchuuriki's are to powerful to be left unchecked or to have around.

He might even choose to destroy that kind of power!!

[makko]

^^we might not have to wait long, last chapter hachibi is right in takka face, Saske reminisces and we see him open his eye ready to spark Amaterasu. Hachibi is real close and this is going to be a point blank in his face, maybe Saske has already made his decision.

Like many I also think Saske has another agenda, this last chapter brought it closer to what that may be, he may be fighting those he cares for just as Itachi did but his actions were interpreted wrong/evil as does Saske look so far, inside he probably has already decided and this was his inside coming out, outside its "not give a shit, I'm Saske, I'm hard", I could see him becoming more serious, more selfish, much more emo in the short term just so to keep a front until the crunch moment.

Good point with that! seriously... i didn't even see that. Sasuke could def be viewed as his brother. Same actions etc... the exact opposite way he wants to be portrayed. Although, it might be a lil early for that development ya know. Unless the manga is winding down.

[Ndigo]

When gaara let shakuku out and took back seat, the bijuu was made of sand, I think that the hachibi is still some where acting as the medium for the 8 tails to take form, I'm assuming something, the same thing will happen here like gaara incident find the medium and have him revert back to human maybe the amaterasu will do enough damage so he is forced to lose the transformation.

I doubt what happened with Gaara applies to the 8 tails in this situation. The ichibi seems differentiated from the other bijuu in that the one tails was released through the sand Garra carries around on his back while the Nibi, Hachibi and Kyubi have been shown to be released through demon chakra overtaking the host, thus causing the body itself to transform.

With kishi you can expect anything but, that's my argument for why the "find the medium" game won't happen. Great first post eh?

[Spike Spiegal]

Maybe the reason Madara needs Sasuke, and Pain needs Madara, is because to take out a powerful Jinchuuriki you need 2 uchihas with EMS. KillerBee Said none of his genjutsu would work on him because of his relationship with the Bijuu(and obviously massive amounts of training) maybe one uchiha uses sharingan on the Bijuu and the other on its host...maybe that's why Minato decided to seal the Fox in Naruto, after the proper training it would be difficult for Madara to gain the Fox back again without another EMS user especially with their clan nearly extinct...Itachi knew he would die pretty soon, I think he knew by saving his brother he was sealing his own fate, especially after Madara knew Sasuke would soon surpass Itachi, he only needs one Uchiha with EMS and he chose the one with greater potential to use for his "plan"...

[Reliic]

=makko;1008997]Dedeira went to "capture" Gaara... i didn't see him with as many problems.

If you call losing an arm not much of a problem, I'd hate to go on a mission with you. :P

[bean]

If you call losing an arm not much of a problem. :P
not only that, hachibi isn't a kage protecting his people.

[warbandit66]

Deidara lost that arm as part of a strategy knowing full well that the damage could be repaired.

[makko]

If you call losing an arm not much of a problem, I'd hate to go on a mission with you. :P

Losing an arm in the Ninja world really isn't a problem. Have you seen their reactions when they lose an arm? Usually gets put back on or they get another arm. And no you shouldn't be going on a mission if you aren't willing to give your arm. Talk to soldiers?!

[GraveOne]

I dont think the manga is winding down, Sasuke is getting pwend... and really nice in an "emo" kind of way... if he Uses Amaretsu Hachibi will be completly covered in black flames.... since he is at poitn blank.... if my understanding is correct and I hope it is... amaretsu BURNS anything untile there is no more to be burned, you control the fire with your eye view... eaning everything you see is automaticly in black fire...I predict the hachibi will be covered in Amaretsu and will be severy weaked BUT not as much to be captured..... if we go by Jap Myth.... Tsukuyomi represents moon, Amaretsu the Sun and Susanoo the sea... which could be interpreted as MS is A GOD tech.... the tailed beast... I have only heard about the kyubi bieng a 9000 year old fox....is almost a God... Susanoo did kill the Yamato no Orochi (Iknow the 8 tails is not the Yamato I get it) I thinking this will play out similar to the tale of the galant Jiraya (the book) Sasuke will retreat so that no commrads die... and hachibi will follow him.... well thats my opinion....

[jimmy shoes]

i think the 8tails will get hit with the amaterasu, but the raikage will know a fire suppressing seal similar or the same as jiraiya knew, the raikage must know a few sealing jutsu seems that he sealed the bijuu into the host

[mr.danly]

I dont think the manga is winding down, Sasuke is getting pwend... and really nice in an "emo" kind of way... if he Uses Amaretsu Hachibi will be completly covered in black flames.... since he is at poitn blank.... if my understanding is correct and I hope it is... amaretsu BURNS anything untile there is no more to be burned, you control the fire with your eye view... eaning everything you see is automaticly in black fire...I predict the hachibi will be covered in Amaretsu and will be severy weaked BUT not as much to be captured..... if we go by Jap Myth.... Tsukuyomi represents moon, Amaretsu the Sun and Susanoo the sea... which could be interpreted as MS is A GOD tech.... the tailed beast... I have only heard about the kyubi bieng a 9000 year old fox....is almost a God... Susanoo did kill the Yamato no Orochi (Iknow the 8 tails is not the Yamato I get it) I thinking this will play out similar to the tale of the galant Jiraya (the book) Sasuke will retreat so that no commrads die... and hachibi will follow him.... well thats my opinion....

Alright.... firstly, it is impossible to be covered in Amaterasu and be severely weakened but not enough to be captured. Amaterasu burns through EVERYTHING. It leaves only a charred husk behind, UNLESS the one who initiated Amaterasu decides to stop it halfway through the burning and carnage, which Sasuke will likely do, since he was ordered to capture Hachibi alive. Secondly, Kishi has followed many of the old Japanese legends, but not perfectly. For instance, there was the old Snake-Frog-Slug cycle, which was sort of like rock-paper-scissors. Except that the Slug is supposed to beat the Snake, which never really happened. Tsunade got raped by Orochimaru WITH NO ARMS pretty badly. Now, Sasuke will retreat so that no comrades die? Not if Hachibi is burned to a crisp. The only reason I could see Sasuke retreating WITHOUT Hachibi is because of Hachibi's brother and the other guy coming to be like, "Sasugay enough of your crappy Emoterasu! I'll show you true power!!!! PWNAGE HAXOR DEATH." Sorry, got a little carried away there, but you get my point. Now I know that there's been huge discussion on whether or not Hachibi will be able to stop Sasuke's Amaterasu, but I doubt it. There was a discussion a while back on the chakra cloaks that protect bijuus, and I think a general consensus was reached that very powerful chakra-based attacks, such as Chidori, can pierce them. Amaterasu > Chidori by a million times. As disappointed as Sasuke-Haters will be, I think Sasuke WILL win this fight against Hachibi.

[laughing@you]

Tsunade got raped by Orochimaru WITH NO ARMS pretty badly. Now, Sasuke will retreat so that no comrades die? .

:offtopic2 but i have to ask........when did that happen?

Cuz last fight i saw, after she got a grip with the blood thing, the only thing orochimaru hit her with was his face on her punches.

[The_Drunk]

Deep down inside I'm sure that Itachi has met the 8 tails. He mentions it here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/006/
He wants to bring the Jinchuuriki to the eight tails first. He might be talking about bringing Naruto to the eight tails first. Or he might be talking about bringing the 4 tails that they just defeated to the eight tails. Pic your choice, but they do show up late to there meeting. That might suggest that they went to go see the eight tails. I mean it's obvious that Itachi had a hidden agenda. We might get some flashbacks with the eight tails talking with Itachi.

[bean]

Deep down inside I'm sure that Itachi has met the 8 tails. He mentions it here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/353/006/
He wants to bring the Jinchuuriki to the eight tails first. He might be talking about bringing Naruto to the eight tails first. Or he might be talking about bringing the 4 tails that they just defeated to the eight tails. Pic your choice, but they do show up late to there meeting. That might suggest that they went to go see the eight tails. I mean it's obvious that Itachi had a hidden agenda. We might get some flashbacks with the eight tails talking with Itachi.
you misread that...he's saying akatsuki needs to capture all the bijuu UP to the eighth tail first, and then the kyuubi...he wasn't referencing the 8 tails specifically, just saying which need to be caught first (1-8 tails) before they go after naruto. Another way to phrase what he said would be, "we need to catch them all except for the kyuubi first, and then we get the nine tails". And I don't recall them being late to any meeting...I think when the "you're late" was said, it was referring to them bringing down the yonbi. That is, they said they would have it done by 4 o'clock and they didn't finish until 6...they didn't take him anywhere after taking him down.

[Deviant]

Isn't it cool how Itachi is the one who stalls the task of getting Naruto? Seems like Itachi has more plans than what we've seen. The outcome of Naruto's power Itachi gave him, of course.

[Strider's♥Death]

you misread that...he's saying akatsuki needs to capture all the bijuu UP to the eighth tail first, and then the kyuubi...he wasn't referencing the 8 tails specifically, just saying which need to be caught first (1-8 tails) before they go after naruto. And I don't recall them being late to any meeting...I think when the "you're late" was said, it was referring to them bringing down the yonbi. That is, they said they would have it done by 4 o'clock and they didn't finish until 6...they didn't take him anywhere after taking him down.

But u know what, i just thought of sumthing , it would be creepy if itachi at sum point of his life(life as in all the years he was in akatsuki,cus i doubt he knew about their plans before that) he met up with the 8 tails and taught him how to counter every aspect of the sharringan. He either did to prevent madara from catching him or maybe he saw this whole scenario with sasuke happening were he would go catch it.

But all im saying is , if this were to be true(what i said in my post) in anyway, then it would be creepy and very smart of itachi

[bean]

But u know what, i just thought of sumthing , it would be creepy if itachi at sum point of his life he met up with the 8 tails and taught him how to counter every aspect of the sharringan. He either did to prevent madara from catching him or maybe he saw this whole scenario with sasuke happening were he would go catch it.

But all im saying is , if this were to be true(what i said in my post) in anyway, then it would be creepy and very smart of itachi
He did know about the sharingan, so it could be possible. We'll see though when sasuke uses the black flame that burns until he stops it and it's exactly like itachi's amaterasu but it isn't amaterasu...or as it's also known, sasuke's emoterasu

[jodi]

He did know about the sharingan, so it could be possible. We'll see though when sasuke uses the black flame that burns until he stops it and it's exactly like itachi's amaterasu but it isn't amaterasu...or as it's also known, sasuke's emoterasu

emos has feelings towards nothing, they cry for nothing but just wanting to be different, Sasuke has nothing to do with Emo.. IMO

but I don't think that Itachi would do that, because Pain could go there and grab the 8 tails, it would be a shot in the dark

[sharingan ninja]

am not so sure about that he use mangekyou 3 times kakashi how use his mangekyou 3 times had to be but in the hospital for a week are more itachi had to deactive his sharingan but i argee what u but the 8tailed is not down yet

[bean]

emos has feelings towards nothing, they cry for nothing but just wanting to be different, Sasuke has nothing to do with Emo.. IMO

but I don't think that Itachi would do that, because Pain could go there and grab the 8 tails, it would be a shot in the dark
pretty much everything itachi has done, though it looks like a genius master plan, was a shot in the dark. Also, emoterasu isn't calling sasuke an emo (though he is)...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/414/17/
emotional amaterasu = emoterasu.

[Strider's♥Death]

lol i have no idea what kishi was thinking when he put emotional next to ameterasu (maybe he hates sasuke in secret, or maybe kishi is emo lol)

But itachi doing things in the dark isnt out of the ordinary, in fact theres alot of characters in the manga right now that have their own master plan and things no one else know

[bean]

lol i have no idea what kishi was thinking when he put emotional next to ameterasu

But itachi doing things in the dark isnt out of the ordinary, in fact theres alot of characters in the manga right now that have their own master plan and things no one else know
I wonder if it's kishi who writes the side texts or if some nobody editor at shonen jump does it.

[nat]

Bottom line, it all depends on Sasuke's *hatred*, I guess that fits. But I don't think his Jutsu will be amplified much by the amazing power of hate...

What if he shows affection like in the last chapter? mmmm, like protecting something precious, it is not the orthodox way of the Uchiha...(with the exception of Itachi)

[sharingan ninja]

will the sharingan is powerful it olne to thing that can control the kuybi it's is the fist hokage and the uchiha clan how can use mangekyou sharingan but anyway sasuke will win madara would not have send him if he know he was going to lose but dont forget that everthing madara said about sasuke can true
[hr]
but the first can control several tailed beasts

[Baron Hugenstein]

^ I guess in this fight Sasuke will see the need to get the full EMS, i.e Itachi's eyes.


lol i have no idea what kishi was thinking when he put emotional next to ameterasu (maybe he hates sasuke in secret, or maybe kishi is emo lol)

But itachi doing things in the dark isnt out of the ordinary, in fact theres alot of characters in the manga right now that have their own master plan and things no one else know

After all that's been given to Sasuke, i doubt that Kishi hates him, even in secret...it would show somehow....unless Kishi is about to introduce another character, which he loves more than Sasuke.....

I wonder if there is a third backup plan from Itachi, wouldn't be surprised if after 100+ chapter, Itachi Jr. pops up and kills someone, mabye kabutomaru

[Sparkling Chidori]

But u know what, i just thought of sumthing , it would be creepy if itachi at sum point of his life(life as in all the years he was in akatsuki,cus i doubt he knew about their plans before that) he met up with the 8 tails and taught him how to counter every aspect of the sharringan. He either did to prevent madara from catching him or maybe he saw this whole scenario with sasuke happening were he would go catch it.

But all im saying is , if this were to be true(what i said in my post) in anyway, then it would be creepy and very smart of itachi

I really like that theory, maybe a long shot but you never know, may also be a reason as to why the Hachibi survives Amaterasu if he does, and may also be a way for the fight to stop by the Hachibi revealing it.

Although, yes the 8-tails knew that Sasuke was using a sharingan, but isn't the sharingan just something that is known about in the ninja world? Maybe not how it looks but he may have just known about it's power, and seeing as Sasuke's eyes changed and he was suddenly in a genjutsu, that may have been what made him realise it was a sharingan.

[shinobi]

hachibi almost killed sasuke twice, if Itachi really met hachi and taught him about the sharingan, I think killing his little bro that he loved the most is a strange way to pay him back.

[Strider's♥Death]

hachibi almost killed sasuke twice, if Itachi really met hachi and taught him about the sharingan, I think killing his little bro that he loved the most is a strange way to pay him back.

Well then it again it could have been to combat madara then, and itachi could have not known that sasuke was going to go capture hachibi. lol thats why i said itachi could have done it , in case hachibi faces madara

[bean]

hachibi almost killed sasuke twice, if Itachi really met hachi and taught him about the sharingan, I think killing his little bro that he loved the most is a strange way to pay him back.
itachi also placed something within naruto that may or may not really harm sasuke...

[Spike Spiegal]

It's true, there wouldn't be any reason for Sasuke to capture the Hachibi other than siding with Madara(Akatsuki) so that would make sense, but I doubt that Itachi did that, wouldn't have hurt though...

[shinobi]

Well then it again it could have been to combat madara then, and itachi could have not known that sasuke was going to go capture hachibi. lol thats why i said itachi could have done it , in case hachibi faces madara

yep, I got that about madara, but I think hachi can differentiate between sasuke and madara from general description, if hachi owe Itachi that much, I think he was able to protect himself against sasuke's attacks and then leaving or telling him he knows his brother or anything without going that far. keep the fun for when he faces madara.
[hr]

itachi also placed something within naruto that may or may not really harm sasuke...

If Itachi wanted to tarm sasuke, he could have done that easily in their battle, knowing that he knew previously that sasuke will turn against konoha. no need to wait for naruto to do it.

[mr.danly]

itachi also placed something within naruto that may or may not really harm sasuke...

to stop Sasuke in case he wandered off the path that Itachi set up for him. Which he did when Madara started talking to him. Itachi never wanted Sasuke to blow up Konoha. Which is why Naruto is his backup plan!

[bean]

yep, I got that about madara, but I think hachi can differentiate between sasuke and madara from general description, if hachi owe Itachi that much, I think he was able to protect himself against sasuke's attacks and then leaving or telling him he knows his brother or anything without going that far. keep the fun for when he faces madara.



If Itachi wanted to tarm sasuke, he could have done that easily in their battle, knowing that he knew previously that sasuke will turn against konoha. no need to wait for naruto to do it.
he was hoping that after sasuke "killed" him, that he would return to konoha a hero...however, sasuke found out about madara and madara brought him under his wing, which itachi also made a fail safe for (which failed). Had everything gone according to plan, sasuke would be safe, and there would be no need to harm him. If everything failed (like it did), then sasuke would have gone to the dark side and obi wan kenobi needs to take him out, against what itachi hoped for him.

[shinobi]

he was hoping that after sasuke "killed" him, that he would return to konoha a hero...however, sasuke found out about madara and madara brought him under his wing, which itachi also made a fail safe for (which failed). Had everything gone according to plan, sasuke would be safe, and there would be no need to harm him. If everything failed (like it did), then sasuke would have gone to the dark side and obi wan kenobi needs to take him out, against what itachi hoped for him.

true, but about the harming part, I was thinking, if Itachi's plan B was to harm sasuke, then why he insisted on planting this thing whatever it was in naruto? the person that will find it extremely difficult job. wasn't it easier for him to choose another person who doesn't love sasuke that much and wont hesitate when the time comes? also why did he bother himself questioning naruto how he feels about sasuke and what will he do if sasuke turned against konoha? I think he really wanted the answer he got.

[bean]

true, but about the harming part, I was thinking, if Itachi's plan B was to harm sasuke, then why he insisted on planting this thing whatever it was in naruto? the person that will find it extremely difficult job. wasn't it easier for him to choose another person who doesn't love sasuke that much and wont hesitate when the time comes? also why did he bother himself questioning naruto how he feels about sasuke and what will he do if sasuke turned against konoha? I think he really wanted the answer he got.
he may not have been putting it inside of naruto as much as he was putting it in the hands of the kyuubi...it just sucks that it happens to be naruto, sasuke's other brother from another mother. Truth is, we don't really know what's going on with itachi's post mortem plan...Look, I'm just saying it's not out of the question that itachi went to the hachibi and told him some things. We know itachi was up to some shady/non shady things that no one knows about.

[Csdabest]

Judging fromt his arc. Sasuke is not working for Madara or akatsuki instead using them.

[g1534]

Or naruto's speech about "I'll stop sasuke without killing him!" is why Itachi really shared whatever it was with him... A power to crush sasuke if need be, knowing Naruto was determined to stop him without killing him. If itachi knew anything at all about naruto, he'd know only naruto would/could stop his brother without killing him, were sasuke to venture down that path.

[bean]

Judging fromt his arc. Sasuke is not working for Madara or akatsuki instead using them.
ATM he's working for them to disguise that he's using them.
[hr]

yep, to tell the truth, I like the idea that Itachi met hachi too, it's just that if this was to be true then there's a point about why hachi is so serious about attacking sasuke that I don't get and what you guys think about it.
he may not know that he is itachi's brother...for all he knows, that could be madara. For all he knows, itachi could have told him that akatsuki is coming after him. Itachi may not have prepared the hachibi for madara (or sharingan) specifically, but just given him a tool to use that would help him stop akatsuki if they came after him.

[burningrubble]

I totally missed this. What tool did the Hachibi get? Information?
The Hachibi is not young...he looks to be older than Kakashi, or at least his age. That means that he should know about the Sharingan, since the last major war was when Itachi was 4. And if he was old enough, he would have fought it. And maybe his way of disrupting genjutsu is just the same for every genjutsu, not just Tsukyomi.

[Tsukisama]

Please take discussion not related to this chapter or predictions for the next chapter (chapter 415) to another thread like the hangout thread. The discussion now needs to return to the topic. Further off-topic posts may be deleted.

[waleed86]

Did any spoliers came out yet ??

[enmymiguel]

this chpter waz good only for suigetsu. wow i am proud of that guy. cause nobody can take a direct hit like that and sorvive

and itachi knew that sasuke one day is going to use the ms agaist naruto. soo for a periot of time naruto is going to have the ms to counter sasuke ms. thats the power itachi give to naruto

[Jadedmariner]

Well the only two logical ways I can see this chapter going is that somebody intervenes, likely Zetsu, or Taka flee under the cover of Amaterasu. Whether Taka flees or Zetsu intervenes I think the real result is the same, which is Sasuke taking Itachi's eyes and then defeating the Hachibi. I prefer the idea of them fleeing since I believe that having Zetsu intervene would belittle both Sasuke and the Hachibi. I guess if Madara intervenes himself it would be okay, but I don't think he'll personally get involved.

[GaaraoftheDesert77]

Well the only two logical ways I can see this chapter going is that somebody intervenes, likely Zetsu, or Taka flee under the cover of Amaterasu. Whether Taka flees or Zetsu intervenes I think the real result is the same, which is Sasuke taking Itachi's eyes and then defeating the Hachibi. I prefer the idea of them fleeing since I believe that having Zetsu intervene would belittle both Sasuke and the Hachibi. I guess if Madara intervenes himself it would be okay, but I don't think he'll personally get involved.

yo dont talk down on Zetsu. Zetsu is a S-Rank criminal for some reason. he is strong

[yellowblue]

If Zetsu is there wouldn't Karin detect him?

[Strider's♥Death]

isn't konan an S-rank criminal....if she is, being S-rank isn't shit then.

Yea she is an S ...........S for SEXY!!! :cool:

Next chap will conclude this battle (i hope) and i think suigetsu will regain consciousness back as well. And i got a little feeling that amaterasu wont work.......good thing his using emoterasu

[Uchiha-Itachi]

While fighting Itachi, Sasuke full of hatred by killing his bro for revenge ( At that time Sasuke's power came from the hatred that he felt against Itachi )
And the fight with Hachibi now, Sasuke's power came from the emotional between his nakama bonds ( It seems he realize that he was not alone after all )

I was thinking Sasuke is using positive view power compare to the hatred power he fought against Itachi.

We will see the power of hatred is greater or the power of emotional between bonds, hope Kishi won't disappoint us in the next chapter, can't wait to read it ^^

[besiphilous]

isn't konan an S-rank criminal....if she is, being S-rank isn't shit then.
Konan is simply a tag-along of Pein. I'm pretty sure Pein would choose Konan's life over anyone else that's alive. Her role in Akatsuki is similar to Karin's role as a detector for Taku, not as an S-Ranked fighter.

I have a feeling Zetsu might be uber strong since he's the only member of Akatsuki that hasn't been seen in a fight yet. Maybe we'll see his light and dark sides split into two separate bodies or something.

[GaaraoftheDesert77]

isn't konan an S-rank criminal....if she is, being S-rank isn't shit then.

well 1.Konans a girl 2.i dont think we have seen her fight seriously and 3. Zetsu hasnt fought and hes still alive and his black part is very smart and prob stronger so I have a feeling Zetsu us really strong and ya i did have a feeling Zetsu might split up and fight or watever he does.

[bean]

I'm just saying, don't say zetsu is OMFG!!!1!ASME! because he's an S rank criminal.

[GaaraoftheDesert77]

I'm just saying, don't say zetsu is OFG!!!1!ASME! because he's an S rank criminal.

I dont think Zetsu is God.....if anyone is God it would be Pein.....or Sasgay because Sasgay never lost a fight...nor did Pein
[hr]
and btw Pein goin after Konoha singlehandedly is....Suicide

[besiphilous]

I'm just saying, don't say zetsu is OFG!!!1!ASME! because he's an S rank criminal.

Why is it wrong to think Zetsu is strong since he's considered an S-Rank ninja? I personally haven't heard of any other rank within the Narutoverse that's higher then Rank-S.

[enmymiguel]

well if some miracle happen and sasuke win, how they going to take killer bee cause those ninja is not going to let then get away.

and is me or that village 2 beast tail cause one of the ninja said that akatsuki taka someone(i dont remember the name) but i think it waz the 2tail beast

[besiphilous]

I dont think Zetsu is God.....if anyone is God it would be Pein.....or Sasgay because Sasgay never lost a fight...nor did Pein
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and btw Pein goin after Konoha singlehandedly is....Suicide

Pein is the only one that has never lost a fight, not Sasuke. Orochimaru, Haku, Lee, and Gaara (am I missing anyone?) beat the crap out of Sasuke.

Pein took out Hanzo and the Hidden Village of the Rain by himself. I think we will see how Pein was able to pull it off.

[yellowblue]

Maybe Konan and Yahiko is packaged with Nagato/Pain (whoever Pain is) when they joined Akatsuki, just like Karin with the team hawk? It's highly probable that Karin is not an S-rank criminal but she wears an Akatsuki cloak without the ring though.

I think Sasuke will have a new upgrade in terms of physical toughness since he is more vulnerable to physical attacks now with the CS gone and to balance Naruto learning Senjutsu and possibly Kyubii control. If Sasuke fights Naruto the second time he needs to be physically tougher to make the battle more interesting and to survive fatal blows especially the with the kyubii chakra or even worse with the kyubii beam thing popping all around the place. He could always do Amaterasu to cast a wall and do Susano'o as an offensive attack but it would be cheap, boring and predictable.

[besiphilous]

Maybe Konan and Yahiko is packaged with Nagato/Pain (whoever Pain is) when they joined Akatsuki, just like Karin with the team hawk? It's highly probable that Karin is not an S-rank criminal but she wears an Akatsuki cloak without the ring though.

I think Sasuke will have a new upgrade in terms of physical toughness since he is more vulnerable to physical attacks now with the CS gone and to balance Naruto learning Senjutsu and possibly Kyubii control. If Sasuke fights Naruto the second time he needs to be physically tougher to make the battle more interesting and to survive fatal blows especially the with the kyubii chakra or even worse with the kyubii beam thing popping all around the place. He could always do Amaterasu to cast a wall and do Susano'o as an offensive attack but it would be cheap, boring and predictable.

Madara was able to survive Amaterasu so it might be possible for an Uchiha to withstand a tailed beast.

[Saint Jimmy]

Madara was able to survive Amaterasu so it might be possible for an Uchiha to withstand a tailed beast.

Where is the logic in that? just because madara has some tricks up in his sleeve to outsmart death, all Uchiha's can withstand a tailed beast?!?!?!

Madara even survived swords of the Senjuu clan, so by your logic all uchiha's can withstand all kage-level ninja's???

no, just madara has been able to outsmart death, not every singel uchiha

[Koen]

Okay talking about a possible appearance of zetsu can be on topic, but talking about his rank is off topic, we have a Naruto Hangout thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36962) for that, thanks :)

[gold349]

Zestu has been at majority of important fights, I doubt he'd miss this one, maybe just for the fact that Saske has only just become part of Akatuksi and sending him to get hachibi is a major thing, trust is something Madara doesn't do probably.

[Strider's♥Death]

Zestu has been at majority of important fights, I doubt he'd miss this one, maybe just for the fact that Saske has only just become part of Akatuksi and sending him to get hachibi is a major thing, trust is something Madara doesn't do probably.

Though he might have orders not to interfere with any fight he is watching.(and most likely recording it)

[gold349]

Though he might have orders not to interfere with any fight he is watching.(and most likely recording it)


I hate the idea of any interference in this fight, though it looks takka will need to be air lifted out of there maybe Zetsu could phone an air ambulance for them LOL, joking aside, takka is no position to move/leave thunder country on there own accord, it would have been different if no body noticed the fight but now that it has come to cloud nin attention getting out is going to be difficult, carrying hachibi out with there injuries will not be easy, someone may come to there aid, Zetsu could be that person, he has been at a few important fights this shouldn't be different and now that Madara has him, Saske is still too important, he will get help if it was needed.

[frankwhite4523]

I have to say no. The only reason that Jiraya was defeated is because he didn't know that there were six bodies not 3. And if Pein started the fight with all his bodies, they would've been all obliterated because the genjutsu and the plan used to kill the three can be used to kill 6.
Above all, Jiraya's hermit mode wasnt complete and he didnt master it yet ...

Imagine how much power will naruto gain when he combines his own skills and sage arts...

The 6 bodies theory is wrong because we all know that had atleast 7 and who knows how many more in store. so the whole j-man could beat pain if all the bodies where there is wrong,and also would be stupid if the peins are that easy to die because i want pain to be godlike and hope that naruto finds his own information to defeat pain and not by the code j-man left behind.

[avantasian]

The 6 bodies theory is wrong because we all know that had atleast 7 and who knows how many more in store. so the whole j-man could beat pain if all the bodies where there is wrong,and also would be stupid if the peins are that easy to die because i want pain to be godlike and hope that naruto finds his own information to defeat pain and not by the code j-man left behind.

I really dont like this at all! Jmans death will be in vain if that happenes!

[besiphilous]

Where is the logic in that? just because madara has some tricks up in his sleeve to outsmart death, all Uchiha's can withstand a tailed beast?!?!?!

Madara even survived swords of the Senjuu clan, so by your logic all uchiha's can withstand all kage-level ninja's???

no, just madara has been able to outsmart death, not every singel uchiha

Logic? It's obvious you missed my point here :notrust. According to Kakashi, Madara used a space-time jutsu to make their attacks go through him without a scratch. Sasuke's eyes is said to hold more potential then Itachi, which is why I get the theory of him not having to worry about fighting anyone. And no....not all Uchihas can withstand a tailed beast (obviously.....right?). Where's the logic in your thinking?

Where the heck do you get the notion that all Uchihas can withstand Kage level? I'm saying that that anyone that is Uchiha has the potential to become self sufficient when fighting against an uber strong foe. Uchiha most likely has trash ninjas of their own within the clan who will never obtain the MS and go on a power trip like Sasuke and Itachi did. Remember....having potential doesn't mean spit unless it is harnessed and applied. This is where the strength of the individual comes in.

Conclusion: Sasuke will have something in his arsenal that will allow him to withstand some crazy-ass sh*t.

[Csdabest]

well i meant Sasgay WON the battles not gettin the crap beat outa him. Sasgay never LOST a battle

Gaara, Lee, Haku, And got embarrassed by the sound 4, Itachi.

[GaaraoftheDesert77]

Gaara, Lee, Haku, And got embarrassed by the sound 4, Itachi.

technicly he won against Gaara...which i hate, when he faced lee that was like a short battle,haku-he had help from naruto so Sasuke was on the offence and he told naruto wat the plan is to defeat Haku but that didnt go so well....so naruto went nuts. and ya Haku tech. Haku sorta beat Sasuke so ya ur right. Itachi...well Sasuke won in the end. he joined the sound four.

[godaijutsu-no-hito]

technicly he won against Gaara...which i hate, when he faced lee that was like a short battle,haku-he had help from naruto so Sasgay was on the offence and he told naruto wat the plan is to defeat Haku but that didnt go so well....so naruto went nuts. and ya Haku tech. Haku sorta beat Sasgay so ya ur right. Itachi...well Sasgay won in the end. he joined the sound four.

How exactly did he technically win against Gaara? When Gaara transformed, Sasuke lost hands down. That defeat was a key in making Sasuke realize that Naruto had gotten stronger than him and finally triggered his decision to leave Konoha.

So Lee did defeat Sasuke...and if Lee had gone through with secondary lotus, Sasuke would have had a concussion of his life!

How exactly did Sasuke win in the end...he was cowering in fear for his life and reduced to nothing at the end of the fight! In some sense, he did win...since he got MS and Itachi's techniques through his finger flick.

He joined sound four after losing to just Sakon.

[rsrl]

is gaara the weakest jinchurinki in the whole series... i mean he was defeated by naruto... but he was technically a kage... so what does this mean? it would be interesting to see whether or not gaara has remained as a kage since he no longers contains his biju... so yeah

[Sean79]

The Shukaku is one of Gaara's ninja tools, if sasuke lost to Shukaku, than he lost to Gaara. He has lost before, get over it.

[Andonan]

Sasuke has lost many a time....Haku, Gara, Itachi (i'm sorry he lost that fight when you think about it ITACHI never intended to kill him and if he had he could have easily taken the eyes instead of tapping his head), Lee, Itachi (when he was a kid), I'm sure there are more :D

[Rahan]

is gaara the weakest jinchurinki in the whole series... i mean he was defeated by naruto... but he was technically a kage... so what does this mean? it would be interesting to see whether or not gaara has remained as a kage since he no longers contains his biju... so yeah

He may have the weakest bijuu, but he wasn't the weakest jinchuuriki. According to Deidara, he was stronger than the first 2 jinchuurikis that were captured.

[Rotten The Wizard]

is gaara the weakest jinchurinki in the whole series... i mean he was defeated by naruto... but he was technically a kage... so what does this mean? it would be interesting to see whether or not gaara has remained as a kage since he no longers contains his biju... so yeah

Naruto holds the NINEtails. Gara had the ONE tail.
No matter how crappy he seems, That was Naruto's BEST faught battle.
He brought out Gamabunta...How many people we've seen in the naruto verse can Match that?....

[Agrias]

Naruto 415 is out! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=38272)
What will happen to Taka? And what about Naruto's training? Predict and discuss!



Wanna discuss something not related to the chapter? Go to the Naruto Hangout Thread! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36962)

Do not post spoilers for ch 416 here! Wait for the Spoiler thread opening.

[aNiMe-BaKa]

so is everyone asleep or what? i just read 415 and holy crap...pretty sweet

[bean]

holy shit... he cut off a tail...he's definitely going to be taking his bro's eyes soon, and naruto is going to have some very deep questions next chapter. Oh yeah, senjutsu is turning out to be FUCKING AWESOME!....makes me wonder though...is jiraiya really dead...?

[aNiMe-BaKa]

wow great chapter....so it looks like naruto is thinking about trying to perfect he rasen-shuriken?! or am i naming the wrong jutsu?....ill just sit back and see what you more experienced guys think about all that happened this chapter....

[bean]

at least the characters from the manga are impressed by amaterasu...

[darkband]

Good chapter, I was a bit meh about Sasuke winning like that but its OK. Best part of the chapter for me was again Naruto. I think that he is finally going to ask those question we've been asking for years. Next chapter I think we'll see a lot more of Naruto and Pein than recently.

[WereMongoose]

I actually liked the chapter. Pretty much confirmed my guess that Amaterasu is a bitch to use so you do it in short spurts. I don't know about Naruto's toad eyes. I hope he doesn't keep them for good.

[Csdabest]

Yeah....It makes you recover faster. Wtf. But I think he is dead. Then again. He didnt ACTUALLY say he was dead that he lives on in our hearts. And Sasuke Chidori Eisou? was pimping. Can anyone say SLICE!!!!!!!!!!!. Hahahahhaha It seems like he could have done it with chidori.

But now lets see.

4 Chidoris. and 4 MS techniques? And get this.....SASUKE STILL DIDNT HEAL COMPLETELY FROM FIGHTING ITACHI.....hahahahahahahaha this all cracks me up.

[Agrias]

The RAW is out HERE (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38828)!!

Go ahead and discuss this chapter and predict the next :amuse

[bean]

sasuke doesn't heal quick enough and now naruto not only heals even more quickly but actually gets MOAR POWAH!! with senjutsu... tables are turning big time...before I used to think sasuke had naruto pwnt without even touching him...now sasuke is nerfed and naruto is being pumped up...sasuke is fuct.

[Strider's♥Death]

Sweet naruto having ideas about using that whatever he was thinking of. Im glad sasuke can control amaterasu like that, i hope kishi gives him a technique that just causes death by one look , or just takes the person out of existence from just one stare

[Csdabest]

Sorry if this ends up being a double post but i doubt it.


I really hope Naruto eyes changes back and that he only has Sage Eyes when he goes hermit mode.

But seriously. The Chidori slice had me laughing. Technically sasuke could have won the fight with Chidori Eisou. Hahhaah But omg. he was still injured from Itachi fight.

Man My hopes for the next chapter. That Sasuke finds out who his parents are. I want a dang Naruto Minato moment. Hurry up and get it over with kishi.