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bebangs
January 26, 2006, 02:40 AM
read Psypho Post below. :amuse



Revisioned Compilated Naruto Universe Time Line with Highlights


Completely Inaccurate !! At least, in some respect, more inaccurate than Enrique_suave's Time Table. Sorry, but you've managed to bungle up a few Details along the time line. I'll correct as follows as more logical and feasible fact. This not to be taken as gospel truth, as I'm going through an ongoing process to make a legitimate Time Table. Sorry , bebongs, this isn't really fully accurate, but its damn well close.

NOTE: After reviewing my notes and Enrique_suave's notes for the fourth time. I've come to decide to adopt and attribute a good deal of Enrique's compiled information into my Time Line. This may or will go further into changes all across the board into serious delineations. Enrique's notes will be annotated after mine, albeit minor changes on my part to work with my time line.

Special thanks to Bebong for setting up the general format that I've followed. And not getting it quite right anyway, thereby sparking me to correct it and refine it to this format. I'd also like to thank Enrique_Suave for his notes and calculated accuracy in the sequence of events that I've superimposed and managed to fill in blank spots that even I didn't manage to fill my self. I'd also like to thank Meijin No Kori, who brought Enrique's notes to my attention, for I've also realized my errors in continuity. I'd also like to thank whoever else that contributed in pointing out errors that I've written by mistake. Here is the refined product.


<< As of right now, it is officially complete. I will update and make changes as I see fit now. If any of you feel that I'm leaving out something, feel free to let me know, and I will see if it is warranted. >>

<< ALSO NOTE: This Time Line will be updated periodically in accordance to what is shown in the manga as of right now. I will be starting this sometime in the near future, but first, there are still plenty of things left blank in this Time Line. And as such, I will try my best to fill in those blanks. >>


WARNING!!!: DO NOT READ A WORD PAST THIS POINT IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO HAVE PARTS OF THE STORY OF NARUTO BE REVEALED TO YOU PREMATURELY. THIS CONTAINS SPOILERS!!
1. Many of things annotated are in coordination with both Bebong's and Enrique_Suave's Notes. Whatever else, I have compiled through sheer memeory recollection and anime and manga reference. Most of this is not entirely based on Databooks, Timeline Publications, or any type of glossary. I initially started this roughing with math and memory. And having to try to keep things consistent and pertinent in the growth of time and sequence of events.
2. You will see my own personal opinions and notes as to what could be happening along as time flows and every event happens. They are mere speculation, and will be highlighted in green lettering and a blue background. Otherwise, Noted Events will be listed as such that they should and would have occured in the alloted time. I would not note such events in where they are, if there was reasonable doubt.
3. Other notes will have an asterisk sign (*) and the words (Perhap) in parenthesis to indicate possible uncertainty as to when event occurs. Other notes will be given capital lettering with words like Notatiion, Annotation, and Heavily Annotated, to denote importance and relevence to event and dish out my own theories and agenda as to what is happening. "Present Day" will be largely supplied by Enrique's notes. Please enjoy this compiled listing of Events.



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plus 60-70 years.

- World War... [i]or First Ninja War : INITIATED.



plus or minus 60 years (possibly before, but more likely after the First Ninja War)

* Valley of the End - Conflict between 2 people. From the statue depictions, it showed obviously the Shodaime (or Shodai, for the pc Japanese speaker) versus a a spikey, long-haired man, wearing similiar armor. This might possilby be the Uchiha Madara, but this is only mere specualtion. But teh most accurate one to date. Further explaination wasn't given. Whatever suspicion there may be, it might mean there was an additional brother to Shodaime and Nidaime (as it was stated somewhere that the Uchiha and Hyuuga clans derived from Shodaime) or there was someone else who was as skilled a warrior as the legendary founders of Konoha. More than likely that this could be Uchiha Madara, as to what time in Uchiha Madara's life, it can't be told. There is no further information that would indicate that there were other legendary shinobi other than the First and Second Hokage at the time of this type up. But apparently, Kakuzu is in fact a legendary ninja as well as a S-Rank ninja himself, as having fought Shodaime at one point. Which then means and implies room for possible other legendary ninja at this period who may or may have extended lives, or simply have died.



50 to 60-something years ago.

- First Ninja War : ENDED ;
with the Shodaime using a massive scale Mokuton Ninjutsu that literally created the forest of Konoha.
(MY NOTES: This has been mentioned a number of times speckled throughout the anime and manga. This is hard to locate, but it is there.)

page 60, chapter 118 -
Anbu: That's right... the one with the black hair is the Shodaime.. the one with the white is the Nidaime.. they are the Hokage-sama's who are both hailed as being the best shinobi and who created the Konoha as it is now. Found by Gold Knight

-As it turns out in later chapters and anime episodes, Konoha initially never existed as it is now. As a matter of fact, it resembled something what Wind Country might look like.

-At this time, once Shodaime made clear this show of force, all involved nations in the war ceased combat, and Konohagakure no Soto was then founded. This was led by Shodaime (and Nidaime) and a handful of loyal shinobis'.

Notes:
-Nidaime, the brother to Shodaime, also later known as the 2nd Hokage, was known to have used a special sword - called Raijin. At least, that is what is maintained in the anime, of what is known of Nidaime. A special short, dagger-like, sword whose blade was literally a form of electrical energy emitted from the very hilt.
-Shodaime, the 1st Hokage, known for using high level Mokuton Ninjutsu, was also to have been known to be able to control Jinchuuriki and bend them to his will. SPECULATION: The necklace given to Naruto by the 5th Hokage, later in history, is related to this particular unique ability of the Shodaime.

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8 February - Sandaime Sarutobi is born.



45-60 years ago

-Sarutobi was then pre-destined or pre-determined by both Shodaime and Nidaime to be the 3rd Hokage while still a student to Shodaime and Nidaime.

-Hyuuga and Uchiha clan branches, among other clans, established.

-Organization of the first Military Police force, consisting almost entirely of the Uchiha clan.

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Tsunade is born.
27 October - Orochimaru is born.
11 November - Jiraiya is born.



40-45 years ago

-Three children hand picked by Sarutobi were then put under the tutelage of this very same man, they were - Jiraiya, Tsunade, & Orochimaru. Forever after known as The Legendary Sannin or Legendary Three Ninja.

- Sarutobi, as well as some of the village, recognizes Orochimaru’s inner darkness, and not only his bizarre appearance. Despite his fellow shinobis’ warnings, the dark vibes and even more darker signs from Oro. Noting also is Oro’s tendency to really keep to himself. Sarutobi sees only the merit of his sheer talent, being that Oro was actually the most talented ninja of his class, and perhaps ever produced in the Hidden Leaf Village. He hoped, by his influence, Oro would one day take his place as the next Hokage. From then on forward, Sarutobi largely ignored Oro’s dark habits, and later his horrible and sinister actions and deranged experiments on actual human beings.

-Orochimaru is quickest in learning both basic and advance jutsu, but his primary expertise becomes Kinjutsu and Snake Summon Jutsu. He doesn't adopt a nickname later on in time, as his first or last name alone instills enough fear to make someone feel the sweat down their back.

-Jiraiya becomes an expert in surveillance, a form of scroll symbol jutsu, and Frog Summon Jutsu, among other things. Gains the notoriety of being an uber-perv and far later in time, as he is older, writes a series of funny, violent, perverse, and entertaining adult books in names like Come Come Paradise and Icha Icha Tastics. And at this far later juncture, refers to himself the title of The Frog Hermit, (or The Perverted Hermit to Naruto later on in the the anime and manga series).

-Tsunade becomes an expert in hand-to-hand combat, abominable strength jutsu, Slug Summon Jutsu, and later Medic Jutsu. Later, due to her insessant gambling and having to losing consequitively every single gambling table since the very start, she gains the notoriety as The Legendary Sucker. She also manages, of course, due to outright consistent losing, racks up a considerable enormous gambling debt and winds up borrowing money and racking up even higher debt. *Later, in the manga and anime, once made the Fifth Hokage, she begins slowly, but surely pay everything back.

29 BK
8 January - Hyuuga Hiyashi and Hyuuga Hizashi are born.



30-40 years ago

- Second Ninja War is either already initiated or is BEGUN at this time.

- At around this time, Sarutobi was already made 3rd Hokage and was leading in the forefront of the Second Ninja War. Was known as The Professor or as The God of All Shinobi because of his deeply rooted and rudimentary, meticulous knowledge of every single jutsu used within Hidden Leaf Village.

- Sai’s sensei, Danzou, was fighting for this position against Sarutobi, but was not granted. He was resentful and opposed to both Shodaime and Sandaime, especially.

- Kakashi's father, Sakumo, (established by sectum) was also known to be an equal to the Sannin in Konoha, and was also known as The White Fang forever after.

- Tsunade's little brother, Nawaki (established by sectum) was then recently made a Gennin. And had the wish to become the next Hokage. He is soon murdered by supposed non-Konoha Shinobi raiding Konoha Village, he stood against his foe, but he was no match. Oro and Jiraiya were present at the aftermath scene. (In my belief, Oro had something to do with it)

- Dan, Tsunade's boyfriend, who wants also to become the next Hokage, is also killed in combat in defending Konoha.

*-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Jiraiya - Yondaime, and two other children.
-- > Tsunade - picks up Shizune as a retainer for her, and also to keep her out of deaths way.

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17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.

16 BK
8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.

15 BK
20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.

14 BK
1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.

13 BK
26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.

12 BK
2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.



25-30 years ago

- The White Fang was sent on a mission of utmost importance. When it happened that he had to make a choice in saving his comrades or saving his village. He saved his friends. But the village paid horribly in destruction and death. The village and even his friends resented him for what he did, for what he thought what he did was right. He suffered dearly in both being slandered by even his fellow villagers and in his sheer guilt. He then committed suicide due to his massive guilt.

*-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Jiraiya - Yondaime, and two other children
-- > Tsunade - picks up Shizune as a retainer, and perhaps to keep her out of harms way.



20-25 years ago

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

- At this time, Sasori is trained by his grandmother, Chyo-baasama to be the ultimate Hidden Sand Village weapon. Also, this same grandmother was at the forefront of the Puppet Corps Research in giving life in animate and inanimate vessels and objects. Also, this same grandmother has been known to be the sworn enemy of Tsunade, and later of Kakashi.
(not sure anymore on how this was calculated and established, but seems reasonable. Check manga references.)

- Hatake Kakashi graduates as a Genin at the age of 5. (This is noted, I've only put this detail here out of sheer memory recall; Itachi, in fact could have been the one who graduated at a very young age. But this, I don't think was the case, so I'll be sticking to this event setting)

- Yondaime, having been established a true, once in a generation, genius, also known now as the Legendary Yellow Flash selects his apprentices to be trained as genins. Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Obito, and Rin.
( SPECUALTION: Rin is perhaps the Anbu girl attendant with Kakashi at the grave of heroes during the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound years later, but more than likely not.
NOTAITON: Note that in the episodes where Sasuke is leaving Hidden Leaf Village to go to Oro, that Kakashi told Sasuke that "all his friends and family are already dead..." )





15-20 years ago

- Yondaime at this time has already mastered the Body Flicker Ninjutsu, and perhaps was in the process of mastering the Rasengan.

- Also at this time, Kakashi is made Jounin at the age of 13, and has already created his one original tecnique, the Chidori Ninjutsu.

- During one mission in Grass Country, Rin is kidnapped, and Obito runs to her rescue.

-Kakashi is adament in fulfilling his mission as ordered, and was a stickler to rules. While Obito was for saving and protecting his teammates. Both Kakashi and Obito already detested one another as long standing teammates despite this difference.

-Obito professes that the White Fang was indeed a hero, and that "those Ninja who don't follow the rules are scum, but those ninja who don't protect their comrades are even worse scum..." This marks and effects Kakashi deeply.

- Kakashi finally comes around, and saves both Obito and Rin, losing his left eye as its cost.

-Obito then gains the two-dot-per-eye Sharingan at this intense moment where Kakashi had saved his life. This was perhaps the marking moment, as most of you may have not noticed, Obito got a a more well-rounded Sharingan, without going through the first couple or so processes per eye like normal, unlike Sasuke, later on in the manga and anime timeline. This could also be construed as showing forth Obito's true potential/genius at this point.

-This is the marking moment where Kakashi and Obito become true friends for the first time after having been teammates for so long. At that moment after getting Rin out of trance, re-enforements of Hidden Rock Nin use a high level earth jutsu that overtakes the team. Kakashi, having a blind spot now, doesn't see the closest and most fastest boulder closing in on him, Obito throughs him out of the way, but at the cost of Obito's life. Obito's entire left side of his body is crushed completely, under an immoveable boulder. At this moment, this solidifies Kakashi's and Obito's friendship as the best of friendship and comraderie.

- From here, Obito offers Kakashi a belated Jounin promotion gift. His right eye, still having the Sharingan fully active. Rin makes the surgical transfer.

- NOTATION: At this moment, Obito confessed his love to Rin, but as it was, it was love too short lived. Obito died calling Rin's name, and Rin calling his name back. Kakashi swears on his new eye, to the dying Obito, that he would protect Rin. Kakashi pulls Rin out of the rubble, while Obito was swallowed up by the earth.

- Kakashi, then onward, is successful in using the Chidori in full effect. Unfortunately, Kakashi was still up against an additional re-enforcement of Rock Nin. This is where Kakashi uses Yondaime's special Jounin promotion gift, the special Kunaii, which was literally a Kunai with a summon tag on it. Yondaime springs into action once the Kunai is thrown, and Kakashi and Rin were about to be killed. They are saved.

- Kakashi there on after uses his Sharingan to the max, and becomes known as Copy Ninja Kakashi. Kakashi then copies over 1000 known jutsus’ from almost every known village.

- NOTATION: Later in the anime series, it was revealed by Kakashi that Obito's death was indirectly caused by Orochimaru.

- Orochimaru perhaps begins more lethal and more inhumane experiments. (probably)

- Second Ninja War soon ENDS months afterwards.

*- Orochimaru, as one of his experiments, uses 60 children, to be infused with the DNA of Shodaime. All but one child die from this infusion, the boy who would be one day be code named Yamato. (Perhaps)

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

*-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)

-Disappearance of Hidden Sand Village’s Third or Fourth Kazekage captured or killed by Sasori, then was made into a puppet.

-Sometime or immediately afterwards, Sasori disappears in light of either the missing Kazekage, or was compelled to move outside of the Hidden Sand’s control.

-Note: Akatsuki is perhaps established at this time, and "possibly", makes its moves, initiating contacts with:
-- Orochimaru of Hidden Leaf Village (Konoha)
-- Sasori of the Red Sand, of Hidden Sand Village
-- Hoshigaki Kisame of the Bloody Mist, of Hidden Mist Village
-- Deidara of Hidden Rock Village
-- Uchiha Itachi of Hidden Leaf Village
--Zetsu, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
--Tobi, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
SPECULATION NOTE: It's been thought by MangaHelpers.com forum by many of its posters and deligating mod team that due to Zetsu's plant-like appearance, that he may have once belonged to Hidden Grass Village. But again, this is unsubstantiated in any media by Kishimoto or Shonenjump. So as to prevent any further misinformation, I will retain the undeclared origin of Zetsu as well as Tobi.

-Hidden Sand then chooses its next Kazekage, being Gaara’s, Kankouro’s, and Temari’s father.

7 BK
29 February - Yakushi Kabuto born.

5 BK
14 February - Ayame born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi is born.



13-16 years ago

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Orochimaru - Mitarashi Anko, and perhaps two other children (but in all likelieness, it was just her, or Orochimaru had her kill both of them, or Oro did them in, himself)

- At around this time or a a little bit later, Mitarashi Anko is introduced to her Cursed Heaven Seal by Oro.

- Oro begins a series of some gare-ish experiments.

- Yodaime teaches both Jiraiya and Sarutobi the Death Sealer and Rasengan jutsus, and possibly the Body Flicker Ninjutsu.

*- Orochimaru, as one of his experiments, uses 60 children, to be infused with the DNA of Shodaime. All but one child die from this infusion, the boy who would, at one day, be code named Yamato. (Perhaps)

- Sandaime chooses his replacement as Hokage.

- Orochimaru wanted to be the next Hokage to further his own ends, but Yondaime was chosen over him. Sandaime realizes and recognizes Orochimaru’s dark intentions and twisted ideas. But still retains his idea of Oro perhaps changing, or maybe had an obligation as once a teacher to Oro to answer for his deeds, even though Oro was absolute evil.

*-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)

- After having kidnapped one too many Genin, and then conducting experiments on them. Sandaime then confronts Oro in his lab concerning allegations of forbidden experiments. Experiments that involved actual fellow ninja from the village, whom of which then consisted of Genin. Being either alive or dead in his experiments, and was caught while conducting such forbidden experiments. Sandaime is attended by two Anbu.

- When Sandaime and Orochimaru face off concerning on what Oro’s up to, it’s revealed that Oro is now trying to perfect the DARKEST KINJUTSU , the Immortality Jutsu.

- Orochimaru then supposedly kills the two attending Anbu, and Sarutobi lets that happen and hesitates in finishing Oro off, despite the urgings of his Summon Beast, Enma (the monkey beast thingy that Sandaime summons). Oro then runs away.

- But before he really books it, he is confronted by Jiraiya. Jiraiya tried imploring to Oro not to leave, and to appeal to his sense of comradeship and friendship as they were both fellow shinobi of Hidden Leaf. Oro has none of it, and Jiraiya and him have at it. Jiraiya, after that experience, realizes that Oro was too far gone to be saved. And that his friendship with him was all but a farce to Oro.

-The Sannin are DESOLVED.
------>Jiraiya suddnely decides to bump out of town, and perhaps begins writing his pervo books (if he hasn't already). But in reality, he begins his long years of surveillance on Orochimaru and finds out all he can on what Oro is up to. On the side, he takes up his habit in peeking into Women's BathHouses and sauna's to do research for his books. He nicknames himself onward as The Frog Hermit.
------>Tsunade, with her appointed attendent, Shisune, begin their trek across the world, gambling in every kind of place and losing all kinds of money at exhorbitant extreme amounts. The legend of The Legendary Sucker truly begins. In reality, due to her past experiences of loss, she is essentially trying to lose herself through saki and gambling.

-The Legendary Nine-Tail Fox Demon attacks Hidden Leaf Village. Half the known ninja force and people die and somewhere over half the village is destroyed in this attack.

-SPECULATION: Orochimaru may have unleashed it or drew it towards the direction of the Hidden Leaf Village, as a parting gift of hatred for Yondaime.

-Iruka’s mother and father die in this tragedy.

-Yodaime seals the Kyubi bijuu into Uzumaki Naruto. Yodaime then dies due to his variation jutsu, the Death Sealer Jutsu. Around this time also, Yodaime has already mastered the Rasengan.

*comment: Yodaime creates a Jinchuuriki out of Naruto and had expected the village to regard him as their Hero, due to the fact that he was the sacrifice to bear the brutal burden.

-Hidden Sand Village also had sealed the Shukaku Ichibi bijuu into Gaara. From then on created as a Jinchuuriki and weapon for the Hidden Sand. This was mostly due to the severe military cut-back on Hidden Sand Village by their Lord. Was long thought to have been sealed by his father, Gaara’s bijuu was in fact sealed by Sasori's grandmother, Chyo-baasama. Who was also responsible of creating Sasori as he was.

-HEAVILY ANNOTATED: It should be heavily noted that the Shukaku Ichibi bijuu was initially sealed in a Tea Kettle. This is mentoined by Chyo-baasama, in the manga. This is in reference again to Japanese Myth of Nine (or ten) Wise Men sealing each of the 9 Element Aspect Animal Demons of Medieval Japan into objects. This also means that other Bijuu may not have been put into human hosts of also similar objects.

-At around a bit later in time, after defecting from Hidden Leaf. Orochimaru then hits up Rice Country, and manipulates the Lords there and later kills them in the establishment of the Hidden Sound Village.

-Yakushi Kabuto is made Orochimaru’s spy, and also an Akatsuki’s spy, with Oro never knowing for sure that Kabuto was under Akatsuki employ.

-Note: Akatsuki is perhaps established at this time, and "possibly", makes its moves, initiating contacts with:
-- Orochimaru of Hidden Leaf Village (Konoha)
-- Sasori of the Red Sand, of Hidden Sand Village
-- Hoshigaki Kisame of the Bloody Mist, of Hidden Mist Village
-- Deidara of Hidden Rock Village
-- Uchiha Itachi of Hidden Leaf Village
--Zetsu, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
--Tobi, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
SPECULATION NOTE: It's been thought by MangaHelpers.com forum by many of its posters and deligating mod team that due to Zetsu's plant-like appearance, that he may have once belonged to Hidden Grass Village. But again, this is unsubstantiated in any media by Kishimoto or Shonenjump. So as to prevent any further misinformation, I will retain the undeclared origin of Zetsu as well as Tobi.

4 BK (my alteration)
Mitarashi Anko becomes a Genin at age 10, begins receiving training from Orochimaru.

3 BK
9 January - Haku is born.
23 August - Temari is born.

2 BK
15 May - Kankuro is born.
12 June - Dosu Kinuta is born.
6 July - Kin Tsuchi is born.
14 September - Zaku Abumi is born.
27 November - Rock Lee is born.

1 BK
9 March - Tenten is born.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji is born.

0 BK ~ 1 AK
Orochimaru leaves Konoha village.
Uchiha Obito is killed. Hatake Kakashi acquires the Sharingan.
Yondaime is officially made the Fourth Hokage.

0 AK
19 January - Gaara is born.
23 January - Aburame Shino is born.
28 March - Haruno Sakura is born.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji is born.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba is born.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke is born.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru is born.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino is born.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto is born. The Kyuubi is defeated. Yondaime is killed.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata is born.



5-10 years ago

-Kabuto is found outside of Hidden Leaf Village in the aftermath of a severe attack on a caravan. He is taken in, and made a son to a Hidden Leaf Village ninja medic. In reality, he was a spy for Oro and a double agent for Akatsuki.

*- At around this time, Oro has Iruka’s former teammate, Mizu, be bitten with a special brand, which apparently, as being a Cursed Ceal, was also a component and map in using a special animal-fusion concoction. This later proves fatal on Mizu. (Perhaps)

-Hyuuga Main Clan casts variant Curse Seal on Neji Hyuuga from Hyuuga Branch Clan.

-Neji’s father, Hiashi or Hizashi (whichever was the youngest one) volunteers his body and is euthanized to be given to Hidden Cloud Village.

3 AK
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 3. Hyuuga Neji, as a member of the Hyuuga Branch House, receives the Hyuuga Bunke Juinjutsu.
30 December - Konohamaru is born.
Sinobi Gashir of the Hidden Cloud attempts to abduct Hyuuga Hinata.
Hyuuga Hizashi is killed in place of Hyuuga Hiyashi.
The Cloud and the Leaf achieve peace.

5 AK
7 March - Hyuuga Hanabi is born.



4 years ago to the PRESENT << May be revised >>

-Uchiha Clan was massacered, Sasuke is the lone survivor, other than his older brother, Itachi, who is on the run, and is the suspected murderer.

-Itachi revealed to his brother that “he wanted to test his abilities” by supposedly killing off the entire clan.

-Also it was revealed by Itachi to his brother, Sasuke, that there was a secret meeting place for all the clan members. And that a secret room retaining both history and the absolute secret of the Sharingan is kept therein.

-SPECULATION: At this time also, Kabuto may have already or was close and found the hidden secret room with secret scroll of the Uchiha Clan.

- The anime series STARTS somewhere here.

-Orochimaru pined for revenge against both Sarutobi and the entire Hidden Leaf Village, and so gets his revenge through an allieship with Hidden Sand Village that was to start during the Hidden Leaf held Chuunin Exam.

-It’s also revealed that Orochimaru seeks absolute power by mastering all known jutsu. This being done by use of his Immortality Jutsu, his control of Hidden Sound Village, his sick experiments, serious manipulation, and acquiring Sasuke as his next human host body.

-At this time, Sasuke has a “leash” latched unto him, being the Orochimaru variant Cursed Heaven Seal.

-NOTATION: Its seen that Sasuke not only acquires the ability to forcefully pull his chakra out by force, but has the potential to transform into a variant “demon” form through use of the higher levels of the same Cursed Seal. The draw back is that it deteriorates his body massively, and the Cursed Seal, when active warps his mind and influences his mental state. It could influence his mind to the point where Sasuke is more easily controlled by Orochimaru. That being said, higher levels of the same Cursed Seal would expediate the process however times, and the influence of the Seal would be more rapid, prevalent, and harder to control. Plus deterioration is much faster at these higher levels.

-Uchiha Sasuke fights in about par against the injured and insanely enraged Gaara. But eventually, Sasuke isn't able to keep up anymore, due to his usage for the third time, the Chidori no Jutsu. Sasuke from here isn't able to do anymore other than propose to buy time for Naruto and the unconcious Sakura to run to safety.

-Naruto then truly faces off against his own inversion of himself, the self that would have gone into darkeness, that personification being Gaara.

-First time in implementing in battle the Kyuchyouse no Jutsu to summon the ultimate Frog Beast boss summon, Gamabunta . Also the first time that Naruto indirectly uses the Kyubi form in a Henge during battle. This was against Gaara's uber-sized Shukaku demon that was set to its own devices at overdrive.

-Due to the battle, Gaara suddenly realizes something ultimately important that was taught to him by Naruto during his firght with him. Gaara slowly, but surely becomes a better person, and seeks now the acknowledgement of his village, not through the vice of destruction and murder, but to begin making friends and protecting those friends he makes.

-Akatsuki is now on the move in acquiring the Legendary Nine Demon Spirit Bijuu out of all known Jinchuuriki and other confirmed retainers of such Bijuu.

8 AK
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 13.
June ~ July - The Uchiha clan is slaughtered by Uchiha Itachi.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 8.

9 AK
7 July - Akamaru is born

11 AK
October - Rock Lee, Hyuuga Neji, and Tenten graduate from the academy.

12 AK
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 12.
15 October - Series start. Uzumaki Naruto, officially graduate from the Academy. Incorporated into Team 7, later known as Team Kakashi. This includes Haruno Sakura, Uchiha Sasuke, and of course, Uzumaki Naruto. (My alteration)

13 AK
March~May: Team 7 is ordered to escort and assist Tazuna. Haku and Zabuza are fought and killed.
1 July - The Konoha Rookie Nine, including Uzumaki Naruto. Chuunin Written Exam is held.
2 July - Chuunin Field Exam in the Forest of Death begins.
3 July - Orochimaru attacks Sasuke, and marks him with the Tenfuuin.
4 July - Fight with Dosu Kinuta and his team.
7 July - Chuunin Field Exam ends. Preliminary Chuunin Tournament is held. Zaku Abumi and Kin Tsuchi are killed.
July ~ August - Dosu Kinuta is killed. Gekkou Hayate is killed. Uzumaki Naruto learns to summon Gamabunta.
11 August - Chuunin tournament is held. Sandaime Sarutobi is killed.
13 August - Sandaime Sarutobi's funeral is held.
~27 August - Itachi and Kisame arrive in Konoha. Jiriaya and Naruto leave to find Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke put into comas from Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
28 August - Naruto begins training the Rasengan
29 August - Morning - Naruto completes part one of training; begins part two.
30 August - Naruto completes part two of training. Tanzaku Castle Destroyed by Orochimaru. Naruto begins part three of training. Naruto accepts Tsunade's challenge.
6 September - Sannin fight occurs. Naruto first uses the Rasengan.
7 September - Tsunade arrives in Konoha, officially becomes Godaime Hokage. Shikamaru promoted to Chuunin.
8 September - Naruto and Sasuke fight on the rooftop. Sasuke invited to join Sound. Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four.
9 September - Team Shikamaru forms, begins "rescue Sasuke" mission. Lee undergoes surgery. Chouji and Neji's battles occur.
10 September - Shikamaru versus Tatuya fight commences. Kimimaro appears and the remainder of fights occur. Sasuke and Naruto fight at the Valley of the End. Chouji and Neji undergo surgery. Sakura begins training under Tsunade. (My Addition)
December - Naruto leaves Konoha to train with Jiraya.

15 AK
3 July - Hyuuga Neji turns 16.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba turns 15.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 15.
23 August - Temari turns 18. (Sweet.)
15 September - Hatake Kakashi turns 29.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru turns 15.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino turns 15.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 15.
27 November - Rock Lee turns 17.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 15.
30 December - Konohamaru turns 12.

16AK
1 January - Maito Gai turns 30.
19 January - Gaara turns 16.
23 January - Aburame Shino turns 16.
9 March - Tenten turns 17.
28 March - Haruno Sakura turns 16.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji turns 16.
15 May - Kankuro turns 18.
26 May - Umino Iruka turns 29.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 21.
June - Naruto returns to Konoha after two and a half years of training.


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questions.
1.Why did Akatsuki waited this long?
2. How does Naruto's father and mother fit in possibly?
3. Valley of the End: who's the 2 people that fought there?
4. How did the first 2 Hokages died?
5. What's Uchiha's clan's history/purpose?

ANSWERS:

1. Don't know, but my guess is that they were gathering intel, forces, power (other than through Bijuu), and resources to best implement the means of extraction for every Jinchuuriki and retainer device of Bijuu. Also, it could be that due to Orochimaru's defection, their plans had to be reworked and play catch-up on whatever acquired ability or resources they once had prior to Oro's defection. Oro, was in fact, the very same man that was helping them with their cause., whatever exactly it could be.

2. Your theory: best fit is Yondaime. My theory: you're right. But the mother may have given birth while in the process of death or Naruto was brought out by C-section after she died in the initial attack on the village.

3. Your theory: killed by Akatsuki. My theory: 1st Hokage died during the First Ninja War, protecting the village. The 2nd Hokage died also while defending the village. Why I think this? Because its been peppered all through out the manga and anime that prior predecessors of Hokage, other than Yodaime, sacrificed their lives to protect the village. Even Tsunade came to believe that to be or to want to be Hokage, you are either dead long before you become one, or you died as being one. Making the job a cursed job.

4. You're theory: Shodaime and the Akatsuki leader fought. My theory: Shodaime and Nidaime have a falling out. They were brothers, like Naruto is to Sasuke. Both perhaps had brotherly competition and was insane about it. But apparently, Nidaime had different ideas. As such, Nidaime may have been saved and later became the 2nd Hokage, seeing that Shodaime should have been dead by the end of the Second Ninja War. If it wasn't Nidaime, it may have been an actual third brother to Shodaime and Nidaime. As such is the perhaps the possible case. It would then mean that this fight could have taken place not only during or after, but also prior to the First Ninja War. As for your theory, I'm sorry to say, was not a very good theory, as it would mean AKatsuki should have been founded long before or during the time of Hidden Leaf Villages establishement. As it would be the case, the Akatsuki leader would have to be an immortal anyway. To retain immeasureable strength, and not be anything like Sarutobi and his decline and deterioration due to geriatric age. As such, Akatsuki was founded by people that were already on the run from the law and were S-class Ninja. Meaning this was perhaps founded in and around the times between when Yodaime was made Hokage and up to when Ughiha Itachi slaughtered his entire family. And no, again, it can't be the Akatsuki leader, because never in the manga or anime is it revealed that this so-called leader knows anything about the Valley of the End. And that the Akatsuki leader had to be hundreds of years old by now if it were the case. This was not a well thought out theory and poorly based, as a matter of fact, baseless. Try again, but please, really think hard. :amuse

5. I'll answer this, because apparently you didn't take care in readin carefully or have bad memory retention, or you just came in late on the band wagon in watching Naruto. Basically, the Sharingan skill is a burden skill. Basically, only few of the clan ever get the Sharingan, and those who do, have to get it through experience, most likely a traumatic experience. There are severals kinds of traumatic experiences, and thus several ways to get the Sharingan. One of those ways is through cold-blooded murder. There are three types of Sharingan. The first two being already revealed as the full Sharingan, the Magekyuo Sharingan, and the other one was remained unnamed. My theory runs that possibly, Kakashi's variant Mngekyou Sharingan is perhaps the "thrid variant" Sharingan inferred. But maybe not. As it turns out, the Uchiha seeks more influence within the village, and not just within the Military Police force they've founded. As for their history, as noted about how Blood Line ninja are made. They are possibly the result of experience in genetics splicing to create such inhuman abilities.


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questions.
Why did akatsui waited this long?
How does naruto's father fit? (theory: best fit is Yondaime)
Valley of the end, who's the 2 people there? (my theory is Akatsui leader & the 1st Hokage, since they are the only ones who know. Heck they probably created this Demons. We dont really know as of now who those are.)
how did the 2 hokages died? (my theory: killed by akatsui)
What's uchiha's clan history/purpose?

Nightteen
January 26, 2006, 05:48 AM
60 years go
War ended and Konoha was founded.
Shodai led shinobis and build Konohagakure.
Nidaime was the brother also the 2nd Hokage also uses a special sword - raijin or sumthing)

comment...
1st Hokage - who could control the jujikiri? hmm
now how did the 2 hokages died? (heart attack?)
The special sword is only in the anime, I assume that you would want an manga timeline because your in a forum called MangaHelpers...

Also I don't know if your implying this but the hokages could not have died 60 years ago since that would be impossible if Nidaime was Sarutobi's sensei.


40-45 years ago
3 legendary Sannins where trained - Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru
Kakashi's Father died. Who attacked the Sand village. The White Fox?
Kakashi's father did not die at this time because Kakashi would have to be about 40 years old in the manga if he died this early since his father would not be there to contribute to Kakashi's birth.



30-40 years ago
Sannins trained their students
Jiraiya - Yondaime, Tsunade - Shisune, orochimaru -Mitarashi Anko
Yondaime created his own technique and still mastering ransengan.
It cannot be 40 years ago because that would make the sannins training their students when they were in their 10s.


25-30years ago
Yondaime trained genins
Kakashi, Obito, & Rin now an anbu (i think, the lady - the extra character when kakashi is mourning in the grave.)
Although it is unclear who trained Kakashi at the age of 5 since he graduated from the academy at that age and became chuunin at the age of 6. Obito and Rin graduate at the age of 9 so their training would be about 20 years ago with Yondaime.

The lady with Kakashi isn't Rin since her name was released and Obito never becomes an ANBU due to his life being cut short. I think it is doubtful a medical ninja such as Rin would become ANBU since elites become ANBU and Kakashi become ANBU later.



20-25 years ago
Obito died, Kakashi got his sharingan.
Yondaime becomes famous - Konoha's yellow flash.
Orochimaru probably felt insicure and started his own experiments. (probably)
Akatsui made some contacts
- Orochimaru in Konoha
- Sarori in Sand
- Kisame of the Myst
Kabuto became Sasori's spy


It is about 15-20 years ago when Obito dies. Yondaime was already known as the Konoha Yellow Flash since the Rocknin called Yondaime the Konoha Yellow Flash.

Where does it say they made contacts to Orochimaru, Sasori and Kisame during this time? As well as Kabuto becoming a spy...also Kabuto has yet to spy on Orochimaru so that would just make Kabuto his undering.




10-15 years ago
Demon foxed attacked konoha.
Yodaime seals the FOX to naruto
comment: Yodaime created a jujikiri (naruto) and expected the village to regard him as their Hero(their jujikiri).

Sand village also sealed Ichibi to Gara. created their own jujikiri by sasori's grandma..
Kabuto (probably) discovered Uchiha Itachi's ability
Akatsui contacted Uchiha Itatchi
Kabuto is spying on Orochimaru.
Where did it say Kabuto probably discovered Itachi's ability.


questions.
Why did akatsui waited this long?
How does naruto's father fit? (theory: best fit is Yondaime)
Valley of the end, who's the 2 people there? (my theory is Akatsui leader & the 1st Hokage, since they are the only ones who know. Heck they probably created this Demons. We dont really know as of now who those are.)
how did the 2 hokages died? (my theory: killed by akatsui)
What's uchiha's clan history/purpose?
Akatsuki didn't wait this long...They did attack two other demon containers previously. The question is why did Deidara and Itachi wait so long since Gaara and Naruto were so obvious containers. (Sasori should know that the Sand has Ichibi, Itachi would know Naruto has kyuubi).

The rest I don't know.

Some of your other dates might off too but I am too lazy to go check the manga...

bebangs
January 26, 2006, 06:08 AM
*Where does it say they made contacts to Orochimaru, Sasori and Kisame during this time
*Where did it say Kabuto probably discovered Itachi's ability.

just a theory that might fit, *ashame*

I really dont know how old is Itachi.. all i know he graduated at a young then after a few years he killed the entire clan.

I was thinking who naruto father would be, seems like Yondaime might fit. (wonder who's the mother)
also im bothered by this pic
http://www.geocities.com/lexiefaye@verizon.net/valley2.JPG

grupp3
January 26, 2006, 07:18 AM
that picture IMO is a pretty good theory. I mean that because of what Kakashi said about them two, it's similar to naruto/sasuke.

lee-nus
January 26, 2006, 08:54 AM
30-40 years ago
Sannins trained their students
Jiraiya - Yondaime, Tsunade - Shisune, orochimaru -Mitarashi Anko
Yondaime created his own technique and still mastering ransengan.

I'm not sure about her age, but I think Anko is waaaaaaaay to young to have been trained by Orochimaru during that time... I dont think she's any older than Kakashi, which would make her about 26 when the manga starts...

25-30years ago
Yondaime trained genins
Kakashi, Obito, & Rin now an anbu (i think, the lady - the extra character when kakashi is mourning in the grave.)

No, Rin died right after Kakashi got his sharingan from Obito, presumably about 15 years ago...

20-25 years ago
Obito died, Kakashi got his sharingan.
Yondaime becomes famous - Konoha's yellow flash.
Orochimaru probably felt insicure and started his own experiments. (probably)

Akatsui made some contacts
- Orochimaru in Konoha
- Sarori in Sand
- Kisame of the Myst
Kabuto became Sasori's spy

Comment on Kakashi's sharingan above... Moreover, when the manga starts, Kabuto is Kakashi's age (26-27 or sth). Then, would he be Sasori's spy around the age of ten years (at best)? Im not sure if im missing sth here, but it seems a little unlikely...[br]Posted at: January 26, 2006, 06:53:45 AM_________________________________________________oh... no purple quote boxes... i apologize...! ^_^

lexiefaye
January 26, 2006, 10:47 AM
As the creator of that signature I decided I might as well post the theory up here ....This is very controversal. Threads have been created solely to disprove it: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=79418 and there also are some theories that work really well with it: http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=78662 - Hope you enjoy.

I think the two statues from the Valley of the End are Shodai and the Akastuki leader ... and their friendship was somehow desolved due to differing ideas about using the Bijuu ... and setting up the current atmosphere and events. (this isn't an original theory - I can't find where I first heard it) I know I'm reaching but it also makes you wonder if Shodai died not so peacefully and at a former friends hand ... his soul was suspiciously young ...

Shodai we know is dead. We don't know anything about the second statue guy ... and we don't know anything about the A.L. They look oddly similar - and who else do we know (past or present) who sounds strong enough to face a living Shodaime (with his Mouton, Bijuu Control, and darkness Jutsu) and survive?

Is it really so strange an idea to think the second guy might still be alive? Yes, that would make him older than Sandaime was when he died and about twice as old as the Sannin. But, if anyone could be this old, the Akatsuki Leader would be the guy. Remember, he was a former associate of Orochimaru, Mr. Immortality. AND we haven't gotten a good shot of him so who knows what the A.L. looks like.

What would be REALLY interesting is if we (the readers) ended up sympethizing more with the Akatsuki Leader than Shodai. What if Shodai was the one who wanted to use the dangerous Bijuu during wartime as such a huge threat (kinda like Nuclear weapons) that they scared all the nations into peacefulness by equally having such dangerous creature at their disposal. It might be the Akatsuki Leader who disagreed and just wanted the demons locked away or destroyed so that no one would ever be hurt again.

psypho
January 26, 2006, 04:19 PM
Revisioned Compilated Naruto Universe Time Line with Highlights


Completely Inaccurate !! At least, in some respect, more inaccurate than Enrique_suave's Time Table. Sorry, but you've managed to bungle up a few Details along the time line. I'll correct as follows as more logical and feasible fact. This not to be taken as gospel truth, as I'm going through an ongoing process to make a legitimate Time Table. Sorry , bebongs, this isn't really fully accurate, but its damn well close.

NOTE: After reviewing my notes and Enrique_suave's notes for the fourth time. I've come to decide to adopt and attribute a good deal of Enrique's compiled information into my Time Line. This may or will go further into changes all across the board into serious delineations. Enrique's notes will be annotated after mine, albeit minor changes on my part to work with my time line.

Special thanks to Bebong for setting up the general format that I've followed. And not getting it quite right anyway, thereby sparking me to correct it and refine it to this format. I'd also like to thank Enrique_Suave for his notes and calculated accuracy in the sequence of events that I've superimposed and managed to fill in blank spots that even I didn't manage to fill my self. I'd also like to thank Meijin No Kori, who brought Enrique's notes to my attention, for I've also realized my errors in continuity. I'd also like to thank whoever else that contributed in pointing out errors that I've written by mistake. Here is the refined product.


<< As of right now, it is officially complete. I will update and make changes as I see fit now. If any of you feel that I'm leaving out something, feel free to let me know, and I will see if it is warranted. >>

<< ALSO NOTE: This Time Line will be updated periodically in accordance to what is shown in the manga as of right now. I will be starting this sometime in the near future, but first, there are still plenty of things left blank in this Time Line. And as such, I will try my best to fill in those blanks. >>


WARNING!!!: DO NOT READ A WORD PAST THIS POINT IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO HAVE PARTS OF THE STORY OF NARUTO BE REVEALED TO YOU PREMATURELY. THIS CONTAINS SPOILERS!!
1. Many of things annotated are in coordination with both Bebong's and Enrique_Suave's Notes. Whatever else, I have compiled through sheer memeory recollection and anime and manga reference. Most of this is not entirely based on Databooks, Timeline Publications, or any type of glossary. I initially started this roughing with math and memory. And having to try to keep things consistent and pertinent in the growth of time and sequence of events.
2. You will see my own personal opinions and notes as to what could be happening along as time flows and every event happens. They are mere speculation, and will be highlighted in green lettering and a blue background. Otherwise, Noted Events will be listed as such that they should and would have occured in the alloted time. I would not note such events in where they are, if there was reasonable doubt.
3. Other notes will have an asterisk sign (*) and the words (Perhap) in parenthesis to indicate possible uncertainty as to when event occurs. Other notes will be given capital lettering with words like Notatiion, Annotation, and Heavily Annotated, to denote importance and relevence to event and dish out my own theories and agenda as to what is happening. "Present Day" will be largely supplied by Enrique's notes. Please enjoy this compiled listing of Events.



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plus 60-70 years.

- World War... [i]or First Ninja War : INITIATED.



plus or minus 60 years (possibly before, but more likely after the First Ninja War)

* Valley of the End - Conflict between 2 people. From the statue depictions, it showed obviously the Shodaime (or Shodai, for the pc Japanese speaker) versus a a spikey, long-haired man, wearing similiar armor. This might possilby be the Uchiha Madara, but this is only mere specualtion. But teh most accurate one to date. Further explaination wasn't given. Whatever suspicion there may be, it might mean there was an additional brother to Shodaime and Nidaime (as it was stated somewhere that the Uchiha and Hyuuga clans derived from Shodaime) or there was someone else who was as skilled a warrior as the legendary founders of Konoha. More than likely that this could be Uchiha Madara, as to what time in Uchiha Madara's life, it can't be told. There is no further information that would indicate that there were other legendary shinobi other than the First and Second Hokage at the time of this type up. But apparently, Kakuzu is in fact a legendary ninja as well as a S-Rank ninja himself, as having fought Shodaime at one point. Which then means and implies room for possible other legendary ninja at this period who may or may have extended lives, or simply have died.



50 to 60-something years ago.

- First Ninja War : ENDED ;
with the Shodaime using a massive scale Mokuton Ninjutsu that literally created the forest of Konoha.
(MY NOTES: This has been mentioned a number of times speckled throughout the anime and manga. This is hard to locate, but it is there.)

page 60, chapter 118 -
Anbu: That's right... the one with the black hair is the Shodaime.. the one with the white is the Nidaime.. they are the Hokage-sama's who are both hailed as being the best shinobi and who created the Konoha as it is now. Found by Gold Knight

-As it turns out in later chapters and anime episodes, Konoha initially never existed as it is now. As a matter of fact, it resembled something what Wind Country might look like.

-At this time, once Shodaime made clear this show of force, all involved nations in the war ceased combat, and Konohagakure no Soto was then founded. This was led by Shodaime (and Nidaime) and a handful of loyal shinobis'.

Notes:
-Nidaime, the brother to Shodaime, also later known as the 2nd Hokage, was known to have used a special sword - called Raijin. At least, that is what is maintained in the anime, of what is known of Nidaime. A special short, dagger-like, sword whose blade was literally a form of electrical energy emitted from the very hilt.
-Shodaime, the 1st Hokage, known for using high level Mokuton Ninjutsu, was also to have been known to be able to control Jinchuuriki and bend them to his will. SPECULATION: The necklace given to Naruto by the 5th Hokage, later in history, is related to this particular unique ability of the Shodaime.

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8 February - Sandaime Sarutobi is born.



45-60 years ago

-Sarutobi was then pre-destined or pre-determined by both Shodaime and Nidaime to be the 3rd Hokage while still a student to Shodaime and Nidaime.

-Hyuuga and Uchiha clan branches, among other clans, established.

-Organization of the first Military Police force, consisting almost entirely of the Uchiha clan.

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Tsunade is born.
27 October - Orochimaru is born.
11 November - Jiraiya is born.



40-45 years ago

-Three children hand picked by Sarutobi were then put under the tutelage of this very same man, they were - Jiraiya, Tsunade, & Orochimaru. Forever after known as The Legendary Sannin or Legendary Three Ninja.

- Sarutobi, as well as some of the village, recognizes Orochimaru’s inner darkness, and not only his bizarre appearance. Despite his fellow shinobis’ warnings, the dark vibes and even more darker signs from Oro. Noting also is Oro’s tendency to really keep to himself. Sarutobi sees only the merit of his sheer talent, being that Oro was actually the most talented ninja of his class, and perhaps ever produced in the Hidden Leaf Village. He hoped, by his influence, Oro would one day take his place as the next Hokage. From then on forward, Sarutobi largely ignored Oro’s dark habits, and later his horrible and sinister actions and deranged experiments on actual human beings.

-Orochimaru is quickest in learning both basic and advance jutsu, but his primary expertise becomes Kinjutsu and Snake Summon Jutsu. He doesn't adopt a nickname later on in time, as his first or last name alone instills enough fear to make someone feel the sweat down their back.

-Jiraiya becomes an expert in surveillance, a form of scroll symbol jutsu, and Frog Summon Jutsu, among other things. Gains the notoriety of being an uber-perv and far later in time, as he is older, writes a series of funny, violent, perverse, and entertaining adult books in names like Come Come Paradise and Icha Icha Tastics. And at this far later juncture, refers to himself the title of The Frog Hermit, (or The Perverted Hermit to Naruto later on in the the anime and manga series).

-Tsunade becomes an expert in hand-to-hand combat, abominable strength jutsu, Slug Summon Jutsu, and later Medic Jutsu. Later, due to her insessant gambling and having to losing consequitively every single gambling table since the very start, she gains the notoriety as The Legendary Sucker. She also manages, of course, due to outright consistent losing, racks up a considerable enormous gambling debt and winds up borrowing money and racking up even higher debt. *Later, in the manga and anime, once made the Fifth Hokage, she begins slowly, but surely pay everything back.

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8 January - Hyuuga Hiyashi and Hyuuga Hizashi are born.



30-40 years ago

- Second Ninja War is either already initiated or is BEGUN at this time.

- At around this time, Sarutobi was already made 3rd Hokage and was leading in the forefront of the Second Ninja War. Was known as The Professor or as The God of All Shinobi because of his deeply rooted and rudimentary, meticulous knowledge of every single jutsu used within Hidden Leaf Village.

- Sai’s sensei, Danzou, was fighting for this position against Sarutobi, but was not granted. He was resentful and opposed to both Shodaime and Sandaime, especially.

- Kakashi's father, Sakumo, (established by sectum) was also known to be an equal to the Sannin in Konoha, and was also known as The White Fang forever after.

- Tsunade's little brother, Nawaki (established by sectum) was then recently made a Gennin. And had the wish to become the next Hokage. He is soon murdered by supposed non-Konoha Shinobi raiding Konoha Village, he stood against his foe, but he was no match. Oro and Jiraiya were present at the aftermath scene. (In my belief, Oro had something to do with it)

- Dan, Tsunade's boyfriend, who wants also to become the next Hokage, is also killed in combat in defending Konoha.

*-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Jiraiya - Yondaime, and two other children.
-- > Tsunade - picks up Shizune as a retainer for her, and also to keep her out of deaths way.

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17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.

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8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.

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20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.

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1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.

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26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.

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2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.



25-30 years ago

- The White Fang was sent on a mission of utmost importance. When it happened that he had to make a choice in saving his comrades or saving his village. He saved his friends. But the village paid horribly in destruction and death. The village and even his friends resented him for what he did, for what he thought what he did was right. He suffered dearly in both being slandered by even his fellow villagers and in his sheer guilt. He then committed suicide due to his massive guilt.

*-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Jiraiya - Yondaime, and two other children
-- > Tsunade - picks up Shizune as a retainer, and perhaps to keep her out of harms way.



20-25 years ago

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

- At this time, Sasori is trained by his grandmother, Chyo-baasama to be the ultimate Hidden Sand Village weapon. Also, this same grandmother was at the forefront of the Puppet Corps Research in giving life in animate and inanimate vessels and objects. Also, this same grandmother has been known to be the sworn enemy of Tsunade, and later of Kakashi.
(not sure anymore on how this was calculated and established, but seems reasonable. Check manga references.)

- Hatake Kakashi graduates as a Genin at the age of 5. (This is noted, I've only put this detail here out of sheer memory recall; Itachi, in fact could have been the one who graduated at a very young age. But this, I don't think was the case, so I'll be sticking to this event setting)

- Yondaime, having been established a true, once in a generation, genius, also known now as the Legendary Yellow Flash selects his apprentices to be trained as genins. Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Obito, and Rin.
( SPECUALTION: Rin is perhaps the Anbu girl attendant with Kakashi at the grave of heroes during the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound years later, but more than likely not.
NOTAITON: Note that in the episodes where Sasuke is leaving Hidden Leaf Village to go to Oro, that Kakashi told Sasuke that "all his friends and family are already dead..." )





15-20 years ago

- Yondaime at this time has already mastered the Body Flicker Ninjutsu, and perhaps was in the process of mastering the Rasengan.

- Also at this time, Kakashi is made Jounin at the age of 13, and has already created his one original tecnique, the Chidori Ninjutsu.

- During one mission in Grass Country, Rin is kidnapped, and Obito runs to her rescue.

-Kakashi is adament in fulfilling his mission as ordered, and was a stickler to rules. While Obito was for saving and protecting his teammates. Both Kakashi and Obito already detested one another as long standing teammates despite this difference.

-Obito professes that the White Fang was indeed a hero, and that "those Ninja who don't follow the rules are scum, but those ninja who don't protect their comrades are even worse scum..." This marks and effects Kakashi deeply.

- Kakashi finally comes around, and saves both Obito and Rin, losing his left eye as its cost.

-Obito then gains the two-dot-per-eye Sharingan at this intense moment where Kakashi had saved his life. This was perhaps the marking moment, as most of you may have not noticed, Obito got a a more well-rounded Sharingan, without going through the first couple or so processes per eye like normal, unlike Sasuke, later on in the manga and anime timeline. This could also be construed as showing forth Obito's true potential/genius at this point.

-This is the marking moment where Kakashi and Obito become true friends for the first time after having been teammates for so long. At that moment after getting Rin out of trance, re-enforements of Hidden Rock Nin use a high level earth jutsu that overtakes the team. Kakashi, having a blind spot now, doesn't see the closest and most fastest boulder closing in on him, Obito throughs him out of the way, but at the cost of Obito's life. Obito's entire left side of his body is crushed completely, under an immoveable boulder. At this moment, this solidifies Kakashi's and Obito's friendship as the best of friendship and comraderie.

- From here, Obito offers Kakashi a belated Jounin promotion gift. His right eye, still having the Sharingan fully active. Rin makes the surgical transfer.

- NOTATION: At this moment, Obito confessed his love to Rin, but as it was, it was love too short lived. Obito died calling Rin's name, and Rin calling his name back. Kakashi swears on his new eye, to the dying Obito, that he would protect Rin. Kakashi pulls Rin out of the rubble, while Obito was swallowed up by the earth.

- Kakashi, then onward, is successful in using the Chidori in full effect. Unfortunately, Kakashi was still up against an additional re-enforcement of Rock Nin. This is where Kakashi uses Yondaime's special Jounin promotion gift, the special Kunaii, which was literally a Kunai with a summon tag on it. Yondaime springs into action once the Kunai is thrown, and Kakashi and Rin were about to be killed. They are saved.

- Kakashi there on after uses his Sharingan to the max, and becomes known as Copy Ninja Kakashi. Kakashi then copies over 1000 known jutsus’ from almost every known village.

- NOTATION: Later in the anime series, it was revealed by Kakashi that Obito's death was indirectly caused by Orochimaru.

- Orochimaru perhaps begins more lethal and more inhumane experiments. (probably)

- Second Ninja War soon ENDS months afterwards.

*- Orochimaru, as one of his experiments, uses 60 children, to be infused with the DNA of Shodaime. All but one child die from this infusion, the boy who would be one day be code named Yamato. (Perhaps)

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

*-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)

-Disappearance of Hidden Sand Village’s Third or Fourth Kazekage captured or killed by Sasori, then was made into a puppet.

-Sometime or immediately afterwards, Sasori disappears in light of either the missing Kazekage, or was compelled to move outside of the Hidden Sand’s control.

-Note: Akatsuki is perhaps established at this time, and "possibly", makes its moves, initiating contacts with:
-- Orochimaru of Hidden Leaf Village (Konoha)
-- Sasori of the Red Sand, of Hidden Sand Village
-- Hoshigaki Kisame of the Bloody Mist, of Hidden Mist Village
-- Deidara of Hidden Rock Village
-- Uchiha Itachi of Hidden Leaf Village
--Zetsu, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
--Tobi, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
SPECULATION NOTE: It's been thought by MangaHelpers.com forum by many of its posters and deligating mod team that due to Zetsu's plant-like appearance, that he may have once belonged to Hidden Grass Village. But again, this is unsubstantiated in any media by Kishimoto or Shonenjump. So as to prevent any further misinformation, I will retain the undeclared origin of Zetsu as well as Tobi.

-Hidden Sand then chooses its next Kazekage, being Gaara’s, Kankouro’s, and Temari’s father.

7 BK
29 February - Yakushi Kabuto born.

5 BK
14 February - Ayame born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi is born.



13-16 years ago

*- Oro has and was experimenting on live human subjects, either killing them and then autopsying their bodies, or capturing them and autopsying them while they are still very much alive and awake through this procedure. (perhaps)

-Sannins, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Orochimaru - Mitarashi Anko, and perhaps two other children (but in all likelieness, it was just her, or Orochimaru had her kill both of them, or Oro did them in, himself)

- At around this time or a a little bit later, Mitarashi Anko is introduced to her Cursed Heaven Seal by Oro.

- Oro begins a series of some gare-ish experiments.

- Yodaime teaches both Jiraiya and Sarutobi the Death Sealer and Rasengan jutsus, and possibly the Body Flicker Ninjutsu.

*- Orochimaru, as one of his experiments, uses 60 children, to be infused with the DNA of Shodaime. All but one child die from this infusion, the boy who would, at one day, be code named Yamato. (Perhaps)

- Sandaime chooses his replacement as Hokage.

- Orochimaru wanted to be the next Hokage to further his own ends, but Yondaime was chosen over him. Sandaime realizes and recognizes Orochimaru’s dark intentions and twisted ideas. But still retains his idea of Oro perhaps changing, or maybe had an obligation as once a teacher to Oro to answer for his deeds, even though Oro was absolute evil.

*-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)

- After having kidnapped one too many Genin, and then conducting experiments on them. Sandaime then confronts Oro in his lab concerning allegations of forbidden experiments. Experiments that involved actual fellow ninja from the village, whom of which then consisted of Genin. Being either alive or dead in his experiments, and was caught while conducting such forbidden experiments. Sandaime is attended by two Anbu.

- When Sandaime and Orochimaru face off concerning on what Oro’s up to, it’s revealed that Oro is now trying to perfect the DARKEST KINJUTSU , the Immortality Jutsu.

- Orochimaru then supposedly kills the two attending Anbu, and Sarutobi lets that happen and hesitates in finishing Oro off, despite the urgings of his Summon Beast, Enma (the monkey beast thingy that Sandaime summons). Oro then runs away.

- But before he really books it, he is confronted by Jiraiya. Jiraiya tried imploring to Oro not to leave, and to appeal to his sense of comradeship and friendship as they were both fellow shinobi of Hidden Leaf. Oro has none of it, and Jiraiya and him have at it. Jiraiya, after that experience, realizes that Oro was too far gone to be saved. And that his friendship with him was all but a farce to Oro.

-The Sannin are DESOLVED.
------>Jiraiya suddnely decides to bump out of town, and perhaps begins writing his pervo books (if he hasn't already). But in reality, he begins his long years of surveillance on Orochimaru and finds out all he can on what Oro is up to. On the side, he takes up his habit in peeking into Women's BathHouses and sauna's to do research for his books. He nicknames himself onward as The Frog Hermit.
------>Tsunade, with her appointed attendent, Shisune, begin their trek across the world, gambling in every kind of place and losing all kinds of money at exhorbitant extreme amounts. The legend of The Legendary Sucker truly begins. In reality, due to her past experiences of loss, she is essentially trying to lose herself through saki and gambling.

-The Legendary Nine-Tail Fox Demon attacks Hidden Leaf Village. Half the known ninja force and people die and somewhere over half the village is destroyed in this attack.

-SPECULATION: Orochimaru may have unleashed it or drew it towards the direction of the Hidden Leaf Village, as a parting gift of hatred for Yondaime.

-Iruka’s mother and father die in this tragedy.

-Yodaime seals the Kyubi bijuu into Uzumaki Naruto. Yodaime then dies due to his variation jutsu, the Death Sealer Jutsu. Around this time also, Yodaime has already mastered the Rasengan.

*comment: Yodaime creates a Jinchuuriki out of Naruto and had expected the village to regard him as their Hero, due to the fact that he was the sacrifice to bear the brutal burden.

-Hidden Sand Village also had sealed the Shukaku Ichibi bijuu into Gaara. From then on created as a Jinchuuriki and weapon for the Hidden Sand. This was mostly due to the severe military cut-back on Hidden Sand Village by their Lord. Was long thought to have been sealed by his father, Gaara’s bijuu was in fact sealed by Sasori's grandmother, Chyo-baasama. Who was also responsible of creating Sasori as he was.

-HEAVILY ANNOTATED: It should be heavily noted that the Shukaku Ichibi bijuu was initially sealed in a Tea Kettle. This is mentoined by Chyo-baasama, in the manga. This is in reference again to Japanese Myth of Nine (or ten) Wise Men sealing each of the 9 Element Aspect Animal Demons of Medieval Japan into objects. This also means that other Bijuu may not have been put into human hosts of also similar objects.

-At around a bit later in time, after defecting from Hidden Leaf. Orochimaru then hits up Rice Country, and manipulates the Lords there and later kills them in the establishment of the Hidden Sound Village.

-Yakushi Kabuto is made Orochimaru’s spy, and also an Akatsuki’s spy, with Oro never knowing for sure that Kabuto was under Akatsuki employ.

-Note: Akatsuki is perhaps established at this time, and "possibly", makes its moves, initiating contacts with:
-- Orochimaru of Hidden Leaf Village (Konoha)
-- Sasori of the Red Sand, of Hidden Sand Village
-- Hoshigaki Kisame of the Bloody Mist, of Hidden Mist Village
-- Deidara of Hidden Rock Village
-- Uchiha Itachi of Hidden Leaf Village
--Zetsu, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
--Tobi, UNKNOWN Village of Origin.
SPECULATION NOTE: It's been thought by MangaHelpers.com forum by many of its posters and deligating mod team that due to Zetsu's plant-like appearance, that he may have once belonged to Hidden Grass Village. But again, this is unsubstantiated in any media by Kishimoto or Shonenjump. So as to prevent any further misinformation, I will retain the undeclared origin of Zetsu as well as Tobi.

4 BK (my alteration)
Mitarashi Anko becomes a Genin at age 10, begins receiving training from Orochimaru.

3 BK
9 January - Haku is born.
23 August - Temari is born.

2 BK
15 May - Kankuro is born.
12 June - Dosu Kinuta is born.
6 July - Kin Tsuchi is born.
14 September - Zaku Abumi is born.
27 November - Rock Lee is born.

1 BK
9 March - Tenten is born.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji is born.

0 BK ~ 1 AK
Orochimaru leaves Konoha village.
Uchiha Obito is killed. Hatake Kakashi acquires the Sharingan.
Yondaime is officially made the Fourth Hokage.

0 AK
19 January - Gaara is born.
23 January - Aburame Shino is born.
28 March - Haruno Sakura is born.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji is born.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba is born.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke is born.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru is born.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino is born.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto is born. The Kyuubi is defeated. Yondaime is killed.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata is born.



5-10 years ago

-Kabuto is found outside of Hidden Leaf Village in the aftermath of a severe attack on a caravan. He is taken in, and made a son to a Hidden Leaf Village ninja medic. In reality, he was a spy for Oro and a double agent for Akatsuki.

*- At around this time, Oro has Iruka’s former teammate, Mizu, be bitten with a special brand, which apparently, as being a Cursed Ceal, was also a component and map in using a special animal-fusion concoction. This later proves fatal on Mizu. (Perhaps)

-Hyuuga Main Clan casts variant Curse Seal on Neji Hyuuga from Hyuuga Branch Clan.

-Neji’s father, Hiashi or Hizashi (whichever was the youngest one) volunteers his body and is euthanized to be given to Hidden Cloud Village.

3 AK
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 3. Hyuuga Neji, as a member of the Hyuuga Branch House, receives the Hyuuga Bunke Juinjutsu.
30 December - Konohamaru is born.
Sinobi Gashir of the Hidden Cloud attempts to abduct Hyuuga Hinata.
Hyuuga Hizashi is killed in place of Hyuuga Hiyashi.
The Cloud and the Leaf achieve peace.

5 AK
7 March - Hyuuga Hanabi is born.



4 years ago to the PRESENT << May be revised >>

-Uchiha Clan was massacered, Sasuke is the lone survivor, other than his older brother, Itachi, who is on the run, and is the suspected murderer.

-Itachi revealed to his brother that “he wanted to test his abilities” by supposedly killing off the entire clan.

-Also it was revealed by Itachi to his brother, Sasuke, that there was a secret meeting place for all the clan members. And that a secret room retaining both history and the absolute secret of the Sharingan is kept therein.

-SPECULATION: At this time also, Kabuto may have already or was close and found the hidden secret room with secret scroll of the Uchiha Clan.

- The anime series STARTS somewhere here.

-Orochimaru pined for revenge against both Sarutobi and the entire Hidden Leaf Village, and so gets his revenge through an allieship with Hidden Sand Village that was to start during the Hidden Leaf held Chuunin Exam.

-It’s also revealed that Orochimaru seeks absolute power by mastering all known jutsu. This being done by use of his Immortality Jutsu, his control of Hidden Sound Village, his sick experiments, serious manipulation, and acquiring Sasuke as his next human host body.

-At this time, Sasuke has a “leash” latched unto him, being the Orochimaru variant Cursed Heaven Seal.

-NOTATION: Its seen that Sasuke not only acquires the ability to forcefully pull his chakra out by force, but has the potential to transform into a variant “demon” form through use of the higher levels of the same Cursed Seal. The draw back is that it deteriorates his body massively, and the Cursed Seal, when active warps his mind and influences his mental state. It could influence his mind to the point where Sasuke is more easily controlled by Orochimaru. That being said, higher levels of the same Cursed Seal would expediate the process however times, and the influence of the Seal would be more rapid, prevalent, and harder to control. Plus deterioration is much faster at these higher levels.

-Uchiha Sasuke fights in about par against the injured and insanely enraged Gaara. But eventually, Sasuke isn't able to keep up anymore, due to his usage for the third time, the Chidori no Jutsu. Sasuke from here isn't able to do anymore other than propose to buy time for Naruto and the unconcious Sakura to run to safety.

-Naruto then truly faces off against his own inversion of himself, the self that would have gone into darkeness, that personification being Gaara.

-First time in implementing in battle the Kyuchyouse no Jutsu to summon the ultimate Frog Beast boss summon, Gamabunta . Also the first time that Naruto indirectly uses the Kyubi form in a Henge during battle. This was against Gaara's uber-sized Shukaku demon that was set to its own devices at overdrive.

-Due to the battle, Gaara suddenly realizes something ultimately important that was taught to him by Naruto during his firght with him. Gaara slowly, but surely becomes a better person, and seeks now the acknowledgement of his village, not through the vice of destruction and murder, but to begin making friends and protecting those friends he makes.

-Akatsuki is now on the move in acquiring the Legendary Nine Demon Spirit Bijuu out of all known Jinchuuriki and other confirmed retainers of such Bijuu.

8 AK
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 13.
June ~ July - The Uchiha clan is slaughtered by Uchiha Itachi.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 8.

9 AK
7 July - Akamaru is born

11 AK
October - Rock Lee, Hyuuga Neji, and Tenten graduate from the academy.

12 AK
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 12.
15 October - Series start. Uzumaki Naruto, officially graduate from the Academy. Incorporated into Team 7, later known as Team Kakashi. This includes Haruno Sakura, Uchiha Sasuke, and of course, Uzumaki Naruto. (My alteration)

13 AK
March~May: Team 7 is ordered to escort and assist Tazuna. Haku and Zabuza are fought and killed.
1 July - The Konoha Rookie Nine, including Uzumaki Naruto. Chuunin Written Exam is held.
2 July - Chuunin Field Exam in the Forest of Death begins.
3 July - Orochimaru attacks Sasuke, and marks him with the Tenfuuin.
4 July - Fight with Dosu Kinuta and his team.
7 July - Chuunin Field Exam ends. Preliminary Chuunin Tournament is held. Zaku Abumi and Kin Tsuchi are killed.
July ~ August - Dosu Kinuta is killed. Gekkou Hayate is killed. Uzumaki Naruto learns to summon Gamabunta.
11 August - Chuunin tournament is held. Sandaime Sarutobi is killed.
13 August - Sandaime Sarutobi's funeral is held.
~27 August - Itachi and Kisame arrive in Konoha. Jiriaya and Naruto leave to find Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke put into comas from Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
28 August - Naruto begins training the Rasengan
29 August - Morning - Naruto completes part one of training; begins part two.
30 August - Naruto completes part two of training. Tanzaku Castle Destroyed by Orochimaru. Naruto begins part three of training. Naruto accepts Tsunade's challenge.
6 September - Sannin fight occurs. Naruto first uses the Rasengan.
7 September - Tsunade arrives in Konoha, officially becomes Godaime Hokage. Shikamaru promoted to Chuunin.
8 September - Naruto and Sasuke fight on the rooftop. Sasuke invited to join Sound. Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four.
9 September - Team Shikamaru forms, begins "rescue Sasuke" mission. Lee undergoes surgery. Chouji and Neji's battles occur.
10 September - Shikamaru versus Tatuya fight commences. Kimimaro appears and the remainder of fights occur. Sasuke and Naruto fight at the Valley of the End. Chouji and Neji undergo surgery. Sakura begins training under Tsunade. (My Addition)
December - Naruto leaves Konoha to train with Jiraya.

15 AK
3 July - Hyuuga Neji turns 16.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba turns 15.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 15.
23 August - Temari turns 18. (Sweet.)
15 September - Hatake Kakashi turns 29.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru turns 15.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino turns 15.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 15.
27 November - Rock Lee turns 17.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 15.
30 December - Konohamaru turns 12.

16AK
1 January - Maito Gai turns 30.
19 January - Gaara turns 16.
23 January - Aburame Shino turns 16.
9 March - Tenten turns 17.
28 March - Haruno Sakura turns 16.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji turns 16.
15 May - Kankuro turns 18.
26 May - Umino Iruka turns 29.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 21.
June - Naruto returns to Konoha after two and a half years of training.


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questions.
1.Why did Akatsuki waited this long?
2. How does Naruto's father and mother fit in possibly?
3. Valley of the End: who's the 2 people that fought there?
4. How did the first 2 Hokages died?
5. What's Uchiha's clan's history/purpose?

ANSWERS:

1. Don't know, but my guess is that they were gathering intel, forces, power (other than through Bijuu), and resources to best implement the means of extraction for every Jinchuuriki and retainer device of Bijuu. Also, it could be that due to Orochimaru's defection, their plans had to be reworked and play catch-up on whatever acquired ability or resources they once had prior to Oro's defection. Oro, was in fact, the very same man that was helping them with their cause., whatever exactly it could be.

2. Your theory: best fit is Yondaime. My theory: you're right. But the mother may have given birth while in the process of death or Naruto was brought out by C-section after she died in the initial attack on the village.

3. Your theory: killed by Akatsuki. My theory: 1st Hokage died during the First Ninja War, protecting the village. The 2nd Hokage died also while defending the village. Why I think this? Because its been peppered all through out the manga and anime that prior predecessors of Hokage, other than Yodaime, sacrificed their lives to protect the village. Even Tsunade came to believe that to be or to want to be Hokage, you are either dead long before you become one, or you died as being one. Making the job a cursed job.

4. You're theory: Shodaime and the Akatsuki leader fought. My theory: Shodaime and Nidaime have a falling out. They were brothers, like Naruto is to Sasuke. Both perhaps had brotherly competition and was insane about it. But apparently, Nidaime had different ideas. As such, Nidaime may have been saved and later became the 2nd Hokage, seeing that Shodaime should have been dead by the end of the Second Ninja War. If it wasn't Nidaime, it may have been an actual third brother to Shodaime and Nidaime. As such is the perhaps the possible case. It would then mean that this fight could have taken place not only during or after, but also prior to the First Ninja War. As for your theory, I'm sorry to say, was not a very good theory, as it would mean AKatsuki should have been founded long before or during the time of Hidden Leaf Villages establishement. As it would be the case, the Akatsuki leader would have to be an immortal anyway. To retain immeasureable strength, and not be anything like Sarutobi and his decline and deterioration due to geriatric age. As such, Akatsuki was founded by people that were already on the run from the law and were S-class Ninja. Meaning this was perhaps founded in and around the times between when Yodaime was made Hokage and up to when Ughiha Itachi slaughtered his entire family. And no, again, it can't be the Akatsuki leader, because never in the manga or anime is it revealed that this so-called leader knows anything about the Valley of the End. And that the Akatsuki leader had to be hundreds of years old by now if it were the case. This was not a well thought out theory and poorly based, as a matter of fact, baseless. Try again, but please, really think hard. :amuse

5. I'll answer this, because apparently you didn't take care in readin carefully or have bad memory retention, or you just came in late on the band wagon in watching Naruto. Basically, the Sharingan skill is a burden skill. Basically, only few of the clan ever get the Sharingan, and those who do, have to get it through experience, most likely a traumatic experience. There are severals kinds of traumatic experiences, and thus several ways to get the Sharingan. One of those ways is through cold-blooded murder. There are three types of Sharingan. The first two being already revealed as the full Sharingan, the Magekyuo Sharingan, and the other one was remained unnamed. My theory runs that possibly, Kakashi's variant Mngekyou Sharingan is perhaps the "thrid variant" Sharingan inferred. But maybe not. As it turns out, the Uchiha seeks more influence within the village, and not just within the Military Police force they've founded. As for their history, as noted about how Blood Line ninja are made. They are possibly the result of experience in genetics splicing to create such inhuman abilities.

lexiefaye
January 26, 2006, 04:45 PM
Just posting that it wouldn't necessarily make the A.L. 100s of years old because according to you're own time line ... the Valley of the End battle is 60 year ago or so ... and if the combatants were in their 20s ... that would make the 2nd statue guy if he was still alive in his 80s.

psypho
January 26, 2006, 05:28 PM
That would be about right, because Sarutobi was around 63 when he died in the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound Ninja. Sarutobi was only a child when he was under tutelage of the Shodaime and Nidaime, and they were obvuously grown men by that time, during the years during or after the First Ninja War. The ages for both 1st and 2nd Hokage then would account well with Sarutobi's age and the time of his death, as well as their deaths.

By the way, what's A.L.??

Also, the Akatsuki Leader fighting Shodaime theory isn't well accountable, as it make the leader of Akatsuki near 100 years old. As such, it was already established that no Shinobi above 60 would be able to function well and use chakra properly as due to their deteriorated state of age. That being said, the leader cannot be 80 years old, as this organization was established in between times of Yodaime's procession to Hokage and Uchiha Itachi's massacring his family. This is said due to the fact that a greater majority of nearly all said participants of this organization are present day S-class Ninja Criminals on the run from the law and from other Ninja Villages. This then establishes the fact that the Akatsuki Leader vs. Shodai theory in the Valley of the End is not well thought out and is perhaps entirely baseless. Thus, you're banner, if I can be just absolutely rude for just a second, is a load of $H!TE. :amuse ;)


But I digress, I've actually thought it through once again, let's say maybe you're right about the Aktsuki Leader. That would mean that Orochimaru was not the only one nor the first to develop the Immortality Jutsu. That would also mean that the gathering of Bijuu is perhaps part of a variant jutsu to grant the same Immortality. But that would also mean that the Akatsuki Leader would either be someone who was equal in legend to the Shodaime and Nidaime in around their time of the First Ninja War, or was actaully not just an equal, but a biological brother to Shodaime and Nidaime. I say this because of actual similarity of Nidaime to the said second statue opposite to Shodaime. Minus the fact that the guy has the hair assimilar to Saske's hair at Second Level Cursed Seal Activation. So maybe, but still, this would make this anime fact of Naruto an actual cop-off from a very very similar plot to Full Metal Alchemist. This would be a load of bull if this was the case.

And I modified my TimeLine Post to best fit the answers and the procession of events better.[br]Posted at: January 26, 2006, 02:51:17 PM_________________________________________________

Just posting that it wouldn't necessarily make the A.L. 100s of years old because according to you're own time line ... the Valley of the End battle is 60 year ago or so ... and if the combatants were in their 20s ... that would make the 2nd statue guy if he was still alive in his 80s.


Oh, $h!TE, you're right, just about close to 100 years old, that would mean he would be 80 something years old, just like Shodaime and Nidaime. But still, yes, he would still be an ol' fogey and very much incapable of actual raw strength. It was already hinted that whoever was strongest in the S-Class group would be leader of Akatsuki. As such, an 80 year old man would be hard pressed to fight off that many highly skilled and extremely dangerous shinobi. Cosidering that for him to be that old man, he'd have to be another Immortal like Oro to use chakra properly, or someone whose defying already the the theory that when you're old, using chakra properly is a amjor feat.

Gold Knight
January 27, 2006, 01:37 AM
Very interesting thread :amuse

*Adds to Index*

Will edit my post with my thoughts later.

Meijin no Kori
January 27, 2006, 01:50 AM
I find this to be one of the best timeline of the events of Naruto (at least for Pre-timeskip events):

The Great Naruto Timeline, by enrique_suave:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=12409

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QUOTE by enrique_suave:

The Great Naruto Timeline

The dates in this timeline use as reference what is probably the most significant event to occur in the Narutoverse to this point: the defeat of the Kyuubi. Thus, years marked as "BK" mean "Before Kyuubi", and those marked as "AK" are "After Kyuubi". The year 0 AK is the year in which the Kyuubi was defeated. Capice?

The databook is theoretically accurate up until the death of the Third Hokage; however, this produces a lot of conflicts of graduation age versus actual age. Look at Kiba's entry, for instance; it says he graduated at 12 (the Konoha rookies graduated 15 October) and is still 12 as of Sandaime's death (he was killed on 11 August of the next year). Kiba's birthday is 7 July. Something doesn't add up. Therefore, I just took all the databook's listed ages as being accurate to THE FIFTEENTH OF OCTOBER, 12 AK - the date the Genins graduate from the academy, and ostensibly the beginning of the series. Note that Hyuuga Hinata is an exception to this rule - this is necessary for the Hyuuga clan timeline to make sense.

Dates marked such as "2 BK ~ 0 AK" mean that the indicated events occur at some point during the listed interval. The events are, however, listed in chronological order within the time.

Corrections and modifications are welcome in the form of replies to this thread; I'll be updating the timeline as new or more correct information comes to light. For real, if you guys noticed a calendar or something somewhere that gives an accurate date on anything, let me know and I'll edit this so it's as accurate as possible. Particular help wanted on Team Shikamaru's mission - I'm seriously too tired to go sifting through that section of manga to hunt down a time reference. ^.^ Hope you find this useful.

56 BK
8 February - Sandaime Sarutobi is born.

48 BK
Shodaime and Nidaime found Konoha, the Village of the Hidden Leaf.

39 BK
Tsunade is born.
27 October - Orochimaru is born.
11 November - Jiraiya is born.

29 BK
8 January - Hyuuga Hiyashi and Hyuuga Hizashi are born.

17 BK
17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.

16 BK
8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.

15 BK
20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.

14 BK
1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.

13 BK
26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.

12 BK
2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.

7 BK
29 February - Yakushi Kabuto born.

5 BK
14 February - Ayame born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi is born.

3 BK
9 January - Haku is born.
23 August - Temari is born.

2 BK
Mitarashi Anko becomes a Genin at age 10, begins receiving training from Orochimaru.
15 May - Kankuro is born.
12 June - Dosu Kinuta is born.
6 July - Kin Tsuchi is born.
14 September - Zaku Abumi is born.
27 November - Rock Lee is born.

1 BK
9 March - Tenten is born.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji is born.

2 BK ~ 0 AK
Orochimaru leaves Konoha village.
Uchiha Obito is killed. Hatake Kakashi acquires the Sharingan.
Yondaime is officially made the Fourth Hokage.

0 AK
19 January - Gaara is born.
23 January - Aburame Shino is born.
28 March - Haruno Sakura is born.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji is born.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba is born.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke is born.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru is born.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino is born.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto is born. The Kyuubi is defeated. Yondaime is killed.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata is born.

3 AK
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 3. Hyuuga Neji, as a member of the Hyuuga Branch House, receives the Hyuuga Bunke Juinjutsu.
30 December - Konohamaru is born.
Sinobi Gashir of the Hidden Cloud attempts to abduct Hyuuga Hinata.
Hyuuga Hizashi is killed in place of Hyuuga Hiyashi.
The Cloud and the Leaf achieve peace.

5 AK
7 March - Hyuuga Hanabi is born.

8 AK
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 13.
June ~ July - The Uchiha clan is slaughtered by Uchiha Itachi.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 8.

9 AK
7 July - Akamaru is born.

11 AK
October - Rock Lee, Hyuuga Neji, and Tenten graduate from the academy.

12 AK
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 12.
15 October - Series start. The Konoha Rookie Nine, including Uzumaki Naruto, officially graduate from the Academy.

13 AK
March~May: Team 7 is ordered to escort and assist Tazuna. Haku and Zabuza are fought and killed.
1 July - Chuunin Written Exam is held.
2 July - Chuunin Field Exam in the Forest of Death begins.
3 July - Orochimaru attacks Sasuke, and marks him with the Tenfuuin.
4 July - Fight with Dosu Kinuta and his team.
7 July - Chuunin Field Exam ends. Preliminary Chuunin Tournament is held. Zaku Abumi and Kin Tsuchi are killed.
July ~ August - Dosu Kinuta is killed. Gekkou Hayate is killed. Uzumaki Naruto learns to summon Gamabunta.
11 August - Chuunin tournament is held. Sandaime Sarutobi is killed.
13 August - Sandaime Sarutobi's funeral is held.
~27 August - Itachi and Kisame arrive in Konoha. Jiriaya and Naruto leave to find Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke put into comas from Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
28 August - Naruto begins training the Rasengan
29 August - Morning - Naruto completes part one of training; begins part two.
30 August - Naruto completes part two of training. Tanzaku Castle Destroyed by Orochimaru. Naruto begins part three of training. Naruto accepts Tsunade's challenge.
6 September - Sannin fight occurs. Naruto first uses the Rasengan.
7 September - Tsunade arrives in Konoha, officially becomes Godaime Hokage. Shikamaru promoted to Chuunin.
8 September - Naruto and Sasuke fight on the rooftop. Sasuke invited to join Sound. Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four.
9 September - Team Shikamaru forms, begins "rescue Sasuke" mission. Lee undergoes surgery. Chouji and Neji's battles occur.
10 September - Kimimaro appears and the remainder of fights occur. Sasuke and Naruto fight at the Valley of the End. Chouji and Neji undergo surgery. Sakura begins training under Tsunade.
December - Naruto leaves Konoha to train with Jiraya.

15 AK
3 July - Hyuuga Neji turns 16.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba turns 15.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 15.
23 August - Temari turns 18. (Sweet.)
15 September - Hatake Kakashi turns 29.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru turns 15.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino turns 15.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 15.
27 November - Rock Lee turns 17.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 15.
30 December - Konohamaru turns 12.

16AK
1 January - Maito Gai turns 30.
19 January - Gaara turns 16.
23 January - Aburame Shino turns 16.
9 March - Tenten turns 17.
28 March - Haruno Sakura turns 16.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji turns 16.
15 May - Kankuro turns 18.
26 May - Umino Iruka turns 29.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 21.
June - Naruto returns to Konoha after two and a half years of training.


Edit history
22/12/04: Removed inaccurate reference to Shodaime's death. Thanks Katana and Jin. Included reference to Anko's training with Orochimaru.
27/12/04: Included reference to the Haku timeline in Spring. Thanks Uzumaki.
01/02/05: Updated timeline to be current to chapter 245 - massive thanks to Manetheren. Note that dates after August of 13AK, with the exception of birthdays, are approximations, but are assumed to be fairly accurate.
03/23/05: Updated Hyuuga Hinata's birthday to accomodate for the explicit one-year difference in ages between her and Hyuuga Neji marked in 102:5. Thanks Fallen. I'm pretty sure we all agree that Hinata should be the youngest anyway, yeah? ^.^

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Just edited the quote box out because it was hard to read such a long timeline inside it. As long as you credit the author you should be fine.

walkie
January 27, 2006, 08:05 PM
to psypho


5. I'll answer this, because apparently you didn't take care in readin carefully or have bad memory retention, or you just came in late on the band wagon in watching Naruto. Basically, the Sharingan skill is a burden skill. Basically, only few of the clan ever get the Sharingan, and those who do, have to get it through experience, most likely a traumatic experience. There are severals kinds of traumatic experiences, and thus several ways to get the Sharingan. One of those ways is through cold-blooded murder. There are three types of Sharingan. The first two being already revealed as the full Sharingan, the Magekyuo Sharingan, and the other one was remained unnamed. My theory runs that possibly, Kakashi's variant Mngekyou Sharingan is perhaps the "thrid variant" Sharingan inferred. But maybe not. As it turns out, the Uchiha seeks more influence within the village, and not just within the Military Police force they've founded. As for their history, as noted about how Blood Line ninja are made. They are possibly the result of experience in genetics splicing to create such inhuman abilities.

well according to you i also had bad memory..i will be glad if you tell where it is told about there are 3 different types of sharingan...i know there 3 types of M.sahringan, at least 3 type has been revelead but although i read all manga i dont remember about if there is another version pof MS than normal sharingan......but if this is your theory than do not speak as truth ;) just tell the manga chapter i will be pleased too

bebangs
January 28, 2006, 01:41 AM
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5. Uchiha Itachi Secret documents.

I didnt notice and I was thingking that uchiha's might be part of a bigger sinister plot or sumthing.
I am distracted as why Itachi would kill his entire clan.
Keeping a secret document that tells you can easily acquire sharingan by murder fits and explains why Itachi killed their clan.
to acquire a stronger sharingan.

Addition..
1. Granny also mention about OTHER jujikiries also died while extracting them. She knew about it.

2. Ichibi demon (might have) attack the sand at the same time as the kyubii.
Someone might have been controlling them (akatsui?) and attacked at the same time?
that would fit from 25 years or so.

3. Naruto Father - Yondaime would fit. I got into discussion with my friend and came up with Why in the hell they wouldnt tell that to naruto. Yondaime ask the village at the utmost priority not to tell naruto? Seems unlikely, wouldnt fit the story dont you think? Granny mention about other jujikiries, Jiraiya mention about naruto being uncontrollable in the 4th tail, Sarutobi mention (in the first manga) that the probability of the demon fox to appear again is a million to 1 chance. My other theory - His father might be the jujikiri that controlled the kyubii? this would also further explain why the village are angry to him and why no one would tell naruto.
my other theory... will post this in different post... http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=890.msg10600#msg10600

psypho
January 29, 2006, 04:57 AM
to psypho

well according to you i also had bad memory..i will be glad if you tell where it is told about there are 3 different types of sharingan...i know there 3 types of M.sahringan, at least 3 type has been revelead but although i read all manga i dont remember about if there is another version pof MS than normal sharingan......but if this is your theory than do not speak as truth ;) just tell the manga chapter i will be pleased too


I don't know which manga chapter exactly, sorry. But I know for sure it was back in the Uchiha Sasuke Flashback where Sasuke asks his father of what types of Sharingan are there and what does it take to get one. His father in explains in detail proficiently, yet not fully sufficient, to what they are and what it takes. I'm sorry that I'm no real help. But as you've already read all the manga, you should know best to look that up, as there is only one Flashback that alludes to what I've just said. The Flachback to when and where it climbs to the Uchiha Clan getting massacred.Posted at: January 28, 2006, 08:47:04 PM_________________________________________________

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5. Uchiha Itachi Secret documents.

I didnt notice and I was thingking that uchiha's might be part of a bigger sinister plot or sumthing.
I am distracted as why Itachi would kill his entire clan.
Keeping a secret document that tells you can easily acquire sharingan by murder fits and explains why Itachi killed their clan.
to acquire a stronger sharingan.

Okay, the [b]scroll (not document) tells of where the Sharingan, the Uchiha Clan comes from, and tells of how to acquire the initial Full Sharingan and the Higher forms of the same doujutsu.



1. Granny also mention about OTHER jujikiries also died while extracting them. She knew about it.

Of course she knew, she's an old hag. She may have fought even in the Second Ninja War (which is very likely). Remember, she's an elder in Hidden Sand, she would obviously be in the know of what was really fought about in the First and Second Ninja War. Also, she sealed Shukaku into Gaara. You'd have to be a real retard not to think she obviously knows way too much on bijuu than what should be considered healthy.


2. Ichibi demon (might have) attack the sand at the same time as the kyubii.


More likely not. The Shukaku was already sealed long, long, long ass time before even Kyuubi decided to bang on Hidden Leaf's friggin door.



Someone might have been controlling them (akatsui?) and attacked at the same time?
that would fit from 25 years or so.

Okay, now that's shoving it too far in the theory department. Now, I've took it in good humor, the theory about the Akatsuki Leader being at the Valley of the End battle. But Akatsuki being there to send both Kyuubi and Shukaku?? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so God-Damn sorry!! But that theory is just retarded.

You give the Akatsuki way too much credit and power in your own mind. Look man, all the bijuu at the time of the First Ninja War and Second Ninja War were fought due to the wanted monopoly and controll of bijuu and jinchuuriki. It was even mentioned by Ol' Hag Grandma of Hidden Sand that at thtat time, Bijuu were almost uncontrollable and even when sealed into Jinchuuriki, even they would go nutzoid. Essentially, the controll of Bijuu was a phenomenal needed asset in military power but was also an equally FOCKING UBER-GIGANTE RISK on everyone, and I mean everyone. Even to people to be sealed with these things. Actually, the only way to control Bijuu at all was the use of people to become Jinchuuriki like Naruto and Gaara. Hell, Gaara is the perfect example of how and why Jinchuuriki were made. If they can control Bijuu alone, why the hell use a human host?!?! I'm sorry, but this would be rather silly to begin with. Seeing that even having a Bijuu would knock down a few thousand points in your health meter.

But of course, Shodaime could control Bijuu, but if that necklace on Naruto was any indication, it was that Shodaime was only able to control Bijuu that were sealed into people.

Gaara was made into a Jinchuuriki to become Hidden Sand's ultimate trump card. That was how people and Bijuu were used.

With that said. Why in God's name?!@! Would you infer that Akatsuki could control Bijuu directly outside of use of human hosts to attack Hidden Ninja Villages?!?!

Okay, maybe you didn't think this one through too well. But really... I mean, come on, home-boy!!! Akatsuki being able to control Bijuu?!?! And I mean just Bijuu?? They already had a hard enough time extracting Bijuu power right out of people, like Gaara as it is. As a matter of fact, as soon as Gaara was brought in my Sasori and Diedara, they almost immediately initiated the extraction. Knowing full well it would take a considerable amount of time to rip out even one Bijuu out of a human host. Why use an Uber-sized Monolithic Mummy/Tree, Multi-Eye Thingy-Summon like that?!?!

Look, man, I know Akatsuki may be the coolest and most secretive thing on the block. We really don't know what they are really capable of, save just seeing only the first five. But don't give them that much credit. If nothing else.

And also, lastly, Akatsuki is an organization consisting entirely of S-Class Ninja Criminals, present-day S-Class Ninja Criminals... As far as we've seen already, all the ninja from that organization are from the here and now. Not 13 years ago... They weren't even thought of then. More on this later... in yet another post.

I'll rant and douse on you on your theory on the Valley of the End later in another post. I'm not done with you, yet, buddy!!!


3. Naruto Father - Yondaime would fit. I got into discussion with my friend and came up with Why in the hell they wouldnt tell that to naruto. Yondaime ask the village at the utmost priority not to tell naruto?


Or maybe, to tell Naruto, may incurr an unforeseen reaction. Remember, you're dealing with a little boy with a power not yet active. But still a liable immense risk to all who are within ear shot of this boy. He has powers that no one has no clue what he can actually do. To tell him the truth may ease a lot of pain or it could make him go postal sycho, like Gaara. What do you think you'd do if left with those two choices. Knowing that the later would mean dozens, if not the entire village, will die at the hands of this boy if he went Postal Service Man crazy.




Seems unlikely, wouldnt fit the story dont you think? Granny mention about other jujikiries, Jiraiya mention about naruto being uncontrollable in the 4th tail, Sarutobi mention (in the first manga) that the probability of the demon fox to appear again is a million to 1 chance.

The Akatsuki theory on controlling Bijuu directly was unlikely. And of course there are other Jinchuuiki's. Try researching on Japanese Myth Lore. There are 9 Legendary Beasts of Mass Destruction that are peppered in many a legend in Japan's Myths. Shukaku is the first beast, and Kyuubi is the last beast, and most powerful. Orochimaru or Hachibi is somewhere int he middle, but also a inferred Legendary Beast. Yeah, with what Kishimoto is doing in using Japanese Myth Lore like he's doing, and if he's consistent- YES, obviously, there ARE other Jinchuuriki...



My other theory - His father might be the jujikiri that controlled the kyubii? this would also further explain why the village are angry to him and why no one would tell naruto.
my other theory... will post this in different post... http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=890.msg10600#msg10600


Ah, man... Another one? Okay man, look, I like you. I respect you. But again, Shoving manure into the Theory Department. Really? Again?? Shodaime is the only one who has the unique ability to control Jinchuuriki. Yondaime, having absolutely no blood relation to Shodaime, does not have such ability to do something like that. Control Jinchuuriki, my ass... Tsunande has better chances in doing that, and she's actually related to Shodaime. And no, the village is actually angry with Naruto because indirectly, he's harboring Kyuubi, thus in a way, they see him as the enemy and source of all their past losses and the the very source in killing Yondaime. He's essentially a scape-goat. That's why the village hates him.

Dude, you run with one theory after another, but each one I've seen is absolute silly. Sorry man, you're running around aiming and shooting geese, but you're hitting malards.

Gold Knight
January 30, 2006, 11:48 PM
That's an awesome timeline, psypho. But I have to ask - WHERE did you get this information? From the Databooks and Herobook?

bebangs
January 31, 2006, 12:15 AM
*grins* no more theories. please update to complete the timeline.

Gold Knight
January 31, 2006, 12:41 AM
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The thing is it looks as though you and psypho are both theorists, but psypho posted that timeline as if it was based on credible information from some Kishimoto publication. If it's actual facts, then I (or you) would be allowed to separately create a thread for it.

Well, even if it's not actual facts, these timelines are so detailed I think they would be fine in separate threads anyway. Just title it 'Naruto Timeline by psypho' or something. And if you're theorizing some stuff, please say so, so you don't mislead readers. If it's facts, please say WHERE you got the information. This thread could still exist as a kind of general discussion on what's known and what could be theorized about the history of Naruto.

Just my humble suggestion.

psypho
January 31, 2006, 04:26 AM
That's an awesome timeline, psypho. But I have to ask - WHERE did you get this information? From the Databooks and Herobook?


Okay, this is a extremely legitimate question to absolute no doubt. I can't even fend this off. Alright, okay here's the the thing, I literally RE-watched every single Naruto episode on my spare time over the summer. I was bored shitless, and I was in a bummer. So I watched Naruto to get over my own personal hellish summer.

And on top of that, I tend to have a venus fly trap type memory when I read. As a matter of fact, I have a superlative memory when it comes to actual United States History, World History, Marvel Comics Timeline and Character histories, and now Naruto (from having read most of the manga from day one.)

As far as having to come up with the more detail facts. I literally referenced on Bebongs notes and my memory of every single event and then also referred to the manga briefly (and I mean just briefly to just get names and places) and correlated it to ages and dates within my head. Also i referred to actual worded text that disproves both Bebongs Timeline and Ricko_suave's Timeline and recreated it in the most closest and most feasible general timeline I can muster. Hense you see dates as between such a time to another such a time.

I can't be accurate due to Shonenjumps and other reference books lack of continuity between dates and ages. At least according to the Roman Calender. But I highly doubt that if they were using a differing Calender, that these age and time discrepensies would be apparent.

These discrepensies that I've seen are from samples from Shonenjumps Databook pages and other offical sources that were published and were scanned and pasted unto some forum or website in the internet.

From having seen this, I decided to only go by the manga and anime information alone through raw recollection and referred materials (anime and manga). Essentially, I used the worded information given in both sources, and with knowing that there is needed flow of growth in age and event sequence, I came up with an extrapolation closest to an actual and more respectable Time Table.

For instance, Sandaime's age in Bebongs Time Table says that he was somewhere at between ages of 60 to 68 years of age when he died. This is close to the ball park of the reported official age reference material in official publications. Enrique_suave's Time Table says Sandaime went kaputsky at around the age of 56. This is an extrapolated reference from events and age tables in other official materials. Anime and manga state that the Sannin were in their 50's when Naruto first learns of them. This makes Sandaime only 6 years old if you account the anime and manga's interpretation with information given by Enrique_suave's Time Table. Kakashi's age, as when he first started teaching Team 7, was I believe 20 to 24 years of age inthe offical books.

If that's right, and if I did my math right, (and I know I should be) then that means that Sarutobi had to be 62 to maybe at most 66. This makes my Time Line just about relatively True, in that there could have been some time already when Sandaime was a student to Shodaime and Nidaime when they declared to him that one day he will take their place as Hokage. This is a memory flashback fragment from an episode. Again, this gives breath of space of possible plus or minus four years in error on my Timeline.

As such, my Timeline shouldn't be taken as GOSPEL, but it's pretty damn close. As such, I invite anyone to correct me and I'll edit my own post with further accuracy. But of course, I will only edit it to scale on my own personal judgement on the merit of such information. In other words, you'll have to introduce math and reference to make me change it from the way it is. Most of my Timing I proved further from roughing with calculations to prove my Timeline's worth, but this is still an ongoing process, and I haven't calculated everything. The variables are taken from manga and anime worded context.





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The thing is it looks as though you and psypho are both theorists, but psypho posted that timeline as if it was based on credible information from some Kishimoto publication. If it's actual facts, then I (or you) would be allowed to separately create a thread for it.

Well, even if it's not actual facts, these timelines are so detailed I think they would be fine in separate threads anyway. Just title it 'Naruto Timeline by psypho' or something. And if you're theorizing some stuff, please say so, so you don't mislead readers. If it's facts, please say WHERE you got the information. This thread could still exist as a kind of general discussion on what's known and what could be theorized about the history of Naruto.

Just my humble suggestion.


I'm actually a Computer Engineering student, but I make it habit to study useless information just for fun. It's not useful in conversations. So I prove my worth through information exchange through mediums like this. It's sort've a hobby. Most of my info comes from direct memory in readin and watching. Essentially, I pay attention to detail. So when someone says that the Akatsuki Leader was alive and well, and kicking shit like no other (plus or minus 7 to 10 years) 75 years ago. Or that Bijuu were directly controlled by them. And the Akatsuki Leader being alive 75 something years, (man, I have to go back to this) way before Akatsuki was even concieved. I wind up flinching and a blood vein emmerges on the top right of my forehead. But yes, I'm kind've a Theorist.

Gold Knight
January 31, 2006, 04:59 AM
Thanks for the explanation, so your timeline is based only on your own observations from the manga/anime but generally not really acknowledging what the Databooks/Herobook says as far as what it says about the timeline?

All the same, you really should've said something about that. I was left scratching my head wondering how you were able to do such a thorough timeline with so much information that to my knowledge hadn't been said anywhere in the manga ( Shodai, for example, using his ability to create the forest of Konohagakure out of a desert ). If that was something you came up by yourself, and people start spreading it as gospel (as you said they shouldn't) we would have a little problem right there. :p


Anime and manga state that the Sannin were in their 50's when Naruto first learns of them. This makes Sandaime only 6 years old if you account the anime and manga's interpretation with information given by Ricko_suave's Time Table.

6 years old?

psypho
January 31, 2006, 05:37 PM
Sorry, that was a typo, I meant "16" as to when he first began teaching the Sannin. That's what my math gave me.


Also, both manga and anime do mention how Konoha was made, but I'm not sure if it was either manga or anime for positive reference. I only have 2 hours every week to review all the material. But yes, even this is something I found in Naruto. But I would appreciate it someone can actually prove it true or otherwise.


And essentially, both manga and anime are kinda close, minus a good deal of things, but overall seen as minor. I won't blame you if you see my product Timeline as something false. But again, I'm sure that many of the facts found in it would not be in there if I didn't have my doubts. Plus, this is the most complete, minus date of births for all known ninja and minor swtching around on details. Posted at: January 31, 2006, 04:38:26 AM_________________________________________________

I find this to be one of the best timeline of the events of Naruto (at least for Pre-timeskip events):

The Great Naruto Timeline, by enrique_suave:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=12409

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[b]QUOTE by enrique_suave:



Wow, I like this Timline, after having read it through a third time. Though, there are some things I don't get. I'll let you know what it is when I find it.

The Great Naruto Timeline

The dates in this timeline use as reference what is probably the most significant event to occur in the Narutoverse to this point: the defeat of the Kyuubi. Thus, years marked as "BK" mean "Before Kyuubi", and those marked as "AK" are "After Kyuubi". The year 0 AK is the year in which the Kyuubi was defeated. Capice?

The databook is theoretically accurate up until the death of the Third Hokage; however, this produces a lot of conflicts of graduation age versus actual age. Look at Kiba's entry, for instance; it says he graduated at 12 (the Konoha rookies graduated 15 October) and is still 12 as of Sandaime's death (he was killed on 11 August of the next year). Kiba's birthday is 7 July. Something doesn't add up. Therefore, I just took all the databook's listed ages as being accurate to THE FIFTEENTH OF OCTOBER, 12 AK - the date the Genins graduate from the academy, and ostensibly the beginning of the series. Note that Hyuuga Hinata is an exception to this rule - this is necessary for the Hyuuga clan timeline to make sense.

Dates marked such as "2 BK ~ 0 AK" mean that the indicated events occur at some point during the listed interval. The events are, however, listed in chronological order within the time.

Corrections and modifications are welcome in the form of replies to this thread; I'll be updating the timeline as new or more correct information comes to light. For real, if you guys noticed a calendar or something somewhere that gives an accurate date on anything, let me know and I'll edit this so it's as accurate as possible. Particular help wanted on Team Shikamaru's mission - I'm seriously too tired to go sifting through that section of manga to hunt down a time reference. ^.^ Hope you find this useful.

56 BK
8 February - Sandaime Sarutobi is born.

48 BK
Shodaime and Nidaime found Konoha, the Village of the Hidden Leaf.

39 BK
Tsunade is born.
27 October - Orochimaru is born.
11 November - Jiraiya is born.

29 BK
8 January - Hyuuga Hiyashi and Hyuuga Hizashi are born.

17 BK
17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.

16 BK
8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.

15 BK
20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.

14 BK
1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.

13 BK
26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.

12 BK
2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.

7 BK
29 February - Yakushi Kabuto born.

5 BK
14 February - Ayame born.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi is born.

3 BK
9 January - Haku is born.
23 August - Temari is born.

2 BK
Mitarashi Anko becomes a Genin at age 10, begins receiving training from Orochimaru.
15 May - Kankuro is born.
12 June - Dosu Kinuta is born.
6 July - Kin Tsuchi is born.
14 September - Zaku Abumi is born.
27 November - Rock Lee is born.

1 BK
9 March - Tenten is born.
3 July - Hyuuga Neji is born.

2 BK ~ 0 AK
Orochimaru leaves Konoha village.
Uchiha Obito is killed. Hatake Kakashi acquires the Sharingan.
Yondaime is officially made the Fourth Hokage.

0 AK
19 January - Gaara is born.
23 January - Aburame Shino is born.
28 March - Haruno Sakura is born.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji is born.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba is born.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke is born.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru is born.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino is born.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto is born. The Kyuubi is defeated. Yondaime is killed.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata is born.

3 AK
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 3. Hyuuga Neji, as a member of the Hyuuga Branch House, receives the Hyuuga Bunke Juinjutsu.
30 December - Konohamaru is born.
Sinobi Gashir of the Hidden Cloud attempts to abduct Hyuuga Hinata.
Hyuuga Hizashi is killed in place of Hyuuga Hiyashi.
The Cloud and the Leaf achieve peace.

5 AK
7 March - Hyuuga Hanabi is born.

8 AK
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 13.
June ~ July - The Uchiha clan is slaughtered by Uchiha Itachi.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 8.

9 AK
7 July - Akamaru is born.

11 AK
October - Rock Lee, Hyuuga Neji, and Tenten graduate from the academy.

12 AK
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 12.
15 October - Series start. The Konoha Rookie Nine, including Uzumaki Naruto, officially graduate from the Academy.

13 AK
March~May: Team 7 is ordered to escort and assist Tazuna. Haku and Zabuza are fought and killed.
1 July - Chuunin Written Exam is held.
2 July - Chuunin Field Exam in the Forest of Death begins.
3 July - Orochimaru attacks Sasuke, and marks him with the Tenfuuin.
4 July - Fight with Dosu Kinuta and his team.
7 July - Chuunin Field Exam ends. Preliminary Chuunin Tournament is held. Zaku Abumi and Kin Tsuchi are killed.
July ~ August - Dosu Kinuta is killed. Gekkou Hayate is killed. Uzumaki Naruto learns to summon Gamabunta.
11 August - Chuunin tournament is held. Sandaime Sarutobi is killed.
13 August - Sandaime Sarutobi's funeral is held.
~27 August - Itachi and Kisame arrive in Konoha. Jiriaya and Naruto leave to find Tsunade. Kakashi and Sasuke put into comas from Itachi's Tsukiyomi.
28 August - Naruto begins training the Rasengan
29 August - Morning - Naruto completes part one of training; begins part two.
30 August - Naruto completes part two of training. Tanzaku Castle Destroyed by Orochimaru. Naruto begins part three of training. Naruto accepts Tsunade's challenge.
6 September - Sannin fight occurs. Naruto first uses the Rasengan.
7 September - Tsunade arrives in Konoha, officially becomes Godaime Hokage. Shikamaru promoted to Chuunin.
8 September - Naruto and Sasuke fight on the rooftop. Sasuke invited to join Sound. Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four.
9 September - Team Shikamaru forms, begins "rescue Sasuke" mission. Lee undergoes surgery. Chouji and Neji's battles occur.
10 September - Kimimaro appears and the remainder of fights occur. Sasuke and Naruto fight at the Valley of the End. Chouji and Neji undergo surgery. Sakura begins training under Tsunade.
December - Naruto leaves Konoha to train with Jiraya.

15 AK
3 July - Hyuuga Neji turns 16.
7 July - Inuzuka Kiba turns 15.
23 July - Uchiha Sasuke turns 15.
23 August - Temari turns 18. (Sweet.)
15 September - Hatake Kakashi turns 29.
22 September - Nara Shikamaru turns 15.
23 September - Yamanaka Ino turns 15.
10 October - Uzumaki Naruto turns 15.
27 November - Rock Lee turns 17.
27 December - Hyuuga Hinata turns 15.
30 December - Konohamaru turns 12.

16AK
1 January - Maito Gai turns 30.
19 January - Gaara turns 16.
23 January - Aburame Shino turns 16.
9 March - Tenten turns 17.
28 March - Haruno Sakura turns 16.
1 May - Akimichi Chouji turns 16.
15 May - Kankuro turns 18.
26 May - Umino Iruka turns 29.
9 June - Uchiha Itachi turns 21.
June - Naruto returns to Konoha after two and a half years of training.


Edit history
22/12/04: Removed inaccurate reference to Shodaime's death. Thanks Katana and Jin. Included reference to Anko's training with Orochimaru.
27/12/04: Included reference to the Haku timeline in Spring. Thanks Uzumaki.
01/02/05: Updated timeline to be current to chapter 245 - massive thanks to Manetheren. Note that dates after August of 13AK, with the exception of birthdays, are approximations, but are assumed to be fairly accurate.
03/23/05: Updated Hyuuga Hinata's birthday to accomodate for the explicit one-year difference in ages between her and Hyuuga Neji marked in 102:5. Thanks Fallen. I'm pretty sure we all agree that Hinata should be the youngest anyway, yeah? ^.^

* * * * *

Just edited the quote box out because it was hard to read such a long timeline inside it. As long as you credit the author you should be fine.



Wow, I like this Timline, after having read it through a third time. Though, there are some things I don't get. I'll let you know what it is when I find it.[br]Posted at: January 31, 2006, 05:07:53 AM_________________________________________________


I've offically implemented Enrique_Suave's Time Line. Hope you like it.

Gold Knight
February 02, 2006, 12:54 AM
page 60, chapter 118 -

Anbu: That's right... the one with the black hair is the Shodaime.. the one with the white is the Nidaime.. they are the Hokage-sama's who are both hailed as being the best shinobi and who created the Konoha as it is now.

That's all I can find... but I always had the impression that all they did was create the community.

At the same time, it would still make sense since Shodai did create the forest of Konohagakure out of the desert since his move is called "Forest Genesis" - but all the same...

Anyway, good work on the timelines. Can't find anything wrong with it as far as making sense.

psypho
February 03, 2006, 04:42 AM
Thanks for the acknowledgement and the manga chapter and page reference in some leveled support of what I've outlined. :)

Chiru
February 07, 2006, 12:30 AM
Chiyo made Sasori? ._. No she didn't.

Kakashi wasn't 20-24 when he started teaching Team 7... He was 27.

I'm sure I could find a lot more. :noworry :amuse

Gold Knight
February 08, 2006, 11:23 PM
- At this time, Sasori is created by his grandmother, Chyo-baasama to be the ultimate Hidden Sand Village weapon.

I think psypho probably meant Gaara there as far as sealing the Ichibi inside him - but yeah, that's incorrect.

EDIT: Never mind, that wouldn't have taken place at that point of the timeline. I guess it's related to a theory psypho's cooked up.

psypho
February 09, 2006, 09:44 PM
There was only one person, with skill in using puppets as weapons, and that was Chyo, so it makes sense in a way that she made Sasori the way he was today. That was what I meant. This was teh only logical conclusion, as Chyo, Kankaro, and Sasori are teh only acknowledged puppet users in their village.

And also Kakashi's age makes sense, only doue to the fact of timing in accordance to Enrique_Suave's calculations concerning age, this he took from the Databooks. See his notes as they are also posted by someone else.

Gold Knight
February 11, 2006, 04:19 AM
Might want to clarify that one then, psypho. 'Chiyo trains Sasori' or something like that.

edge
February 12, 2006, 07:05 PM
several times it says that akatsuki formed contacts with uchiha itachi before he was even born. You might want to change that

psypho
February 24, 2006, 02:05 AM
I'll be on it within around next week. right now, i'm suffering from a virus infection on my computer, and I need to reformat the whole thing. So please bear with me as I'm trying to remedy the problem. [br]Posted at: February 19, 2006, 02:48:27 PM_________________________________________________I'm back, and good to go, hoor-rah!! :p

BlackSun
February 27, 2006, 12:09 AM
I don't usually make posts, but the thing about the Akatsuki leader fighting Shodai in the Valley of the End and subsequent posts stating that he would be too old to function as a ninja made me stop to think about one thing:
Why are you all so sure the current leader of Akatsuki is also its founder?
For all we know Akatsuki could be a centuries old association of criminals that only recently became interested in the Bijuu for some reason.

psypho
March 01, 2006, 09:47 PM
I'm sure they've had threads on this, and I'm with you. More than likely, Akatsuki is only a recent organization, like the Hidden Sound Village. We have no definitive evidence, but mere speculation, as to whom Shodai fought in the Valley of the End. Thus, more than likely, the Akatsuki Leader being the opponent at that day in age is just as likely a possibility as Monkeys being able to be launched from earth to the moon through a new type of rocket-fuel-laxative .

Pheonixfyre
March 03, 2006, 02:15 AM
-Obito then gains the full Sharingan at this intense moment where Kakashi had saved his life. This was perhaps the marking moment, as most of you may have not noticed, Obito got a full Sharingan, without going through the first two processes like normal, unlike Sasuke or Itachi, later on in the manga and anime. This could also be construed as showing forth Obito's true potential/genius at this point.

Obito didn't get the full Sharingan. He got the two Dots, just like Sasuke.

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13505
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13526

psypho
April 06, 2006, 05:09 AM
my bad, i will change it in a later time.[br]Posted at: March 04, 2006, 06:52:23 PM_________________________________________________fixed minor detail on Obito. It should now red fine.[br]Posted at: March 22, 2006, 10:38:18 PM_________________________________________________May 20th, 2006. I'll be updating the TimeLine. this will require everyone's help. So if I make a mistake, don't let me just merely write it and make it canon. Hell no!! Let me know where I friggin screw up!! Constructive Criticism is the best medicine in the world!!

Anyways, I'll be adding on to Enrique_Suave's Timeline, and possibly changing some other details in what he has. Hope you guys enjoy!!

[br]Posted at: March 30, 2006, 03:12:18 AM_________________________________________________

several times it says that akatsuki formed contacts with uchiha itachi before he was even born. You might want to change that


I only posted them multiple places due to the fact that we don't even know when Akatsuki was even established, that's why. Check my notes at the very top. It explains this fact.[br]Posted at: April 06, 2006, 03:05:15 AM_________________________________________________

I don't usually make posts, but the thing about the Akatsuki leader fighting Shodai in the Valley of the End and subsequent posts stating that he would be too old to function as a ninja made me stop to think about one thing:
Why are you all so sure the current leader of Akatsuki is also its founder?
For all we know Akatsuki could be a centuries old association of criminals that only recently became interested in the Bijuu for some reason.


Oh, I get what you're saying. Okay, here's the thing. We don't know. That's right. We don't know. The fact that Akatsuki could be a centuries old organization that could have switched out leaders could very well be valid. But I mostly got the impression that it was a fairly recent out-crop of a society. If you can prove to me that it was in fact an ancient order of shinobi criminals. Please prove it with some text, reference of manga, and page number. Otherwise, we can simply dismiss the notion that this organization is even that old or has that extensivve of a history.

glasskatana
July 10, 2006, 09:45 PM
I've put a link to this thread into the research thread. Hope you don't mind. :smile-big

white silver
July 10, 2006, 10:15 PM
[b][font=verdana][color=green][size=1]Some of the longest and interesting posts I've seen!

fremeer
July 18, 2006, 11:25 AM
In there first battle naruto and sasuke fight in the river thing which has these two giant statues, Are these statues the 1st and 2nd?

*moving this to "History in Naruto" - Miso

destinator
July 18, 2006, 11:47 AM
Sorry but this was discussed too many times now. The left is a still unknown character and the right statue is the first hokage.

psypho
July 31, 2006, 01:49 PM
I don't mind having this linked to another thread, as long as you credit the long fockin hours of determining the timeline to me and anyone else here that contributed.

I'll be changing the timeline tonight. so be ready.

Arukan
July 31, 2006, 06:23 PM
Sorry if its already been said but don't you think the 1st and 2nd killed each other in combat?

I mean they remark how ironic it is that Sasuke and Naruto fight at the two hokage statues, it might be looking too much into it but I think the first and second killed each other there. I dunno why, and I really can't back up my claims, but both of them died in a hurry. One had a red suit, and one had a blue suit, and the suits look relatively the same, i dunno what that really proves but I know its significant.

I still stand by the fact I think they killed each other, there may not be a reason for it at this point, but its a better guess then others.

psypho
September 29, 2006, 04:27 PM
Sorry if its already been said but don't you think the 1st and 2nd killed each other in combat?

I mean they remark how ironic it is that Sasuke and Naruto fight at the two hokage statues, it might be looking too much into it but I think the first and second killed each other there. I dunno why, and I really can't back up my claims, but both of them died in a hurry. One had a red suit, and one had a blue suit, and the suits look relatively the same, i dunno what that really proves but I know its significant.

I still stand by the fact I think they killed each other, there may not be a reason for it at this point, but its a better guess then others.


Valid point, but not enough evidence. This fact will be noted, but not included. Thank you for pointing that out.

sharinganLS
October 02, 2006, 10:25 AM
I dont think those two statues represent the first and the second hokages. One of the statues represents the first but the second statue doesnt in anyway or form represent the second. And plus why would the second hokage's statue be facing towards Konoha since he is from konoha (it would probably be a ex-friend of the first hokage who betrayed him or Konoha)

mageofdeath
October 02, 2006, 08:54 PM
I like the theory that those statues are uchiha madara, and the shodaime, we know the second statue is definately not nidaime, because nidaime has short hair, not long hair...

white silver
October 02, 2006, 09:07 PM
I like the theory that those statues are uchiha madara, and the shodaime, we know the second statue is definately not nidaime, because nidaime has short hair, not long hair...



[b][font=verdana][color=green][size=1]When Kakashi said they're fate is similar to that two statues, could it be that Shodaime and Madara were best friends but Madara, lusting for power fought at the valley of the end?

sharinganLS
October 05, 2006, 09:30 AM
30-40 years ago

- Second Ninja War
is either already initiated or is BEGUN at this time.

- At around this time, Sarutobi was already made 3rd Hokage and was leading in the forefront of the Second Ninja War. Was known as The Professor
or as The God of All Shinobi
because of his deeply rooted and rudimentary, meticulous knowledge of every single jutsu used within Hidden Leaf Village[/u].

- Sai’s sensei, Danzou, was fighting for this position against Sarutobi, but was not granted. He was resentful and opposed to both Shodaime and Sandaime, especially.

- Kakashi's father, Sato or Sashi, (name hard to remember) was also known to be an equal to the Sannin
in Konoha, and was also known as The White Fang
forever after.

- Tsunade's little brother, Nake, Ninake, or something similar to that affect, was then recently made a Gennin. And had the wish to become the next Hokage. He is soon murdered by supposed non-Konoha Shinobi raiding Konoha Village, he stood against his foe, but he was no match. Oro and Jiraiya were present at the aftermath scene. (In my belief, Oro had something to do with it)

- Dan, Tsunade's boyfriend, who wants also to become the next Hokage, is also killed in combat in defending Konoha.

*-Sannins
, being still together, begin selecting their apprentices:
-- > Jiraiya - Yondaime, and two other children
-- > Tsunade - Shisune, and possibly two other children

17 BK
17 July - Shiranui Genma is born.

16 BK
8 March - Ebisu is born.
26 August - Momochi Zabuza is born.
18 October - Sarutobi Asuma is born.
21 October - Mizuki is born.

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20 March - Morino Ibiki is born.
11 June - Yuuhi Kurenai is born.

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1 January - Maito Gai is born.
15 September - Hatake Kakashi is born.

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26 May - Umino Iruka is born.
24 October - Mitarashi Anko is born.

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2 November - Gekkou Hayate is born.



Yes I think this timeline is almost on the mark however I did find one error. And the error is in the 20 -30 section.

This is the time Kakashi was born. And this is also the time when Tsunade and Jiraiya pick yondaime and shizune as their students.

And thats where ur error lies. Shizune isnt Yondaime's age. She is about Kakashi's age.
In part II she is 30(November 18) and Kakashi is 29(September 15). So she couldnt have been selected by Tsunade during that time period.

So in other words she would have been born at that time (30 - 40) . And should have been would have been selected the same time the forth selected Kakashi as his student, which is 20-25 years agao.

psypho
December 27, 2006, 08:12 PM
I'll try to look into it. But I'm not too sure if your point is a valid one, because you have to keep in mind, Yondaime was in fact the youngest Hokage in the village's history, and a genius. It would seem sensible (in my mind at least) that Yondaime be about the same age as Shizune.

Redklaw
December 28, 2006, 07:46 AM
- NOTATION
: Later in the anime series, it was revealed by Kakashi that Obito's death was indirectly caused by Orochimaru.

Where is this stated in the animated series? It's not in the manga to my knowledge and no non-generalized information regarding Obito and the entire Kakashi Gaiden subplot has yet to be covered in the anime (unless they added something they shouldn't have in a filler).

sectum
January 04, 2007, 04:23 AM
I'll try to look into it. But I'm not too sure if your point is a valid one, because you have to keep in mind, Yondaime was in fact the youngest Hokage in the village's history, and a genius. It would seem sensible (in my mind at least) that Yondaime be about the same age as Shizune.

Where is it stated as fact that he was the youngest? Sarutobi was Hokage from a pretty young age, you see him training with both the first and the second when he was young too. Tsunade says that both the First and Second died young, so that probably means Sarutobi became the Third when he was young too. I mean, I can definitely agree that the Fourth would be around Shizune's age, but I think it's hard to say exactly when he became Hokage.

Also, could you please change "Shodaime" to "Shodai," as Shodaime is not correct Japanese.

"- Kakashi's father, Sato or Sashi, (name hard to remember)"
"- Tsunade's little brother, Nake, Ninake, or something similar to that affect, was then recently made a Gennin."
Kakashi's father's name was Sakumo. Tsunade's brother's name was Nawaki.

"At this time, Sasori is trained by his grandmother, Chyo-baasama to be the ultimate Hidden Sand Village weapon."
Was this in the manga? I don't remember anything like this showing up.

"SPECUALTION: Rin is perhaps the Anbu girl attendant with Kakashi at the grave of heroes during the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound years later, but more than likely not."
This is false; the ANBU girl is in the databook and her name is Yugao something. She's definitely not Rin.

"Yondaime at this time has already mastered the Body Flicker Ninjutsu, and perhaps was in the process of mastering the Rasengan."
That is an entirely correct statement, but I think you mean Hiraishin Ninjutsu, which is an entirely separate technique from Body Flicker.

"-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)"
Typo, but that should be "Ne"

"-Disappearance of Hidden Sand Village’s Third or Fourth Kazekage captured or killed by Sasori, then was made into a puppet."
It was the Third Kazekage.

"-Neji’s father, Hiashi or Hizashi (whichever was the youngest one) volunteers his body and is euthanized to be given to Hidden Cloud Village."
It was Hizashi.

"-SPECULATION: At this time also, Kabuto may have already or was close and found the hidden secret room with secret scroll of the Uchiha Clan."
I'm interested where this theory came from?

Anyway, I don't even know if all these comments are going into the right thread, but here they are anyway.

Props to you though for the hard work. It's really impressive, don't think that I'm criticizing or anything.

psypho
February 24, 2007, 09:05 PM
Where is it stated as fact that he was the youngest? Sarutobi was Hokage from a pretty young age, you see him training with both the first and the second when he was young too. Tsunade says that both the First and Second died young, so that probably means Sarutobi became the Third when he was young too. I mean, I can definitely agree that the Fourth would be around Shizune's age, but I think it's hard to say exactly when he became Hokage.

Also, could you please change "Shodaime" to "Shodai," as Shodaime is not correct Japanese.

"- Kakashi's father, Sato or Sashi, (name hard to remember)"
"- Tsunade's little brother, Nake, Ninake, or something similar to that affect, was then recently made a Gennin."
Kakashi's father's name was Sakumo. Tsunade's brother's name was Nawaki.

"At this time, Sasori is trained by his grandmother, Chyo-baasama to be the ultimate Hidden Sand Village weapon."
Was this in the manga? I don't remember anything like this showing up.

"SPECUALTION: Rin is perhaps the Anbu girl attendant with Kakashi at the grave of heroes during the incursion by Hidden Sand and Hidden Sound years later, but more than likely not."
This is false; the ANBU girl is in the databook and her name is Yugao something. She's definitely not Rin.

"Yondaime at this time has already mastered the Body Flicker Ninjutsu, and perhaps was in the process of mastering the Rasengan."
That is an entirely correct statement, but I think you mean Hiraishin Ninjutsu, which is an entirely separate technique from Body Flicker.

"-At perhaps around this time, Sai’s sensei, Danzou, establishes Nu, the special elite tutorial school and section of the Anbu. (Perhaps)"
Typo, but that should be "Ne"

"-Disappearance of Hidden Sand Village’s Third or Fourth Kazekage captured or killed by Sasori, then was made into a puppet."
It was the Third Kazekage.

"-Neji’s father, Hiashi or Hizashi (whichever was the youngest one) volunteers his body and is euthanized to be given to Hidden Cloud Village."
It was Hizashi.

"-SPECULATION: At this time also, Kabuto may have already or was close and found the hidden secret room with secret scroll of the Uchiha Clan."
I'm interested where this theory came from?

Anyway, I don't even know if all these comments are going into the right thread, but here they are anyway.

Props to you though for the hard work. It's really impressive, don't think that I'm criticizing or anything.


I've done about half your page, which were bits of detail changes sporatically in my own typed up page. I'll go further later with the required changes. Rest assured.

Raimaru
February 25, 2007, 10:00 AM
Here are some mistakes I found:

1. Generally, some of the BB - Code Tags got screwed up (like the size ones)

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2. 20-25 years ago

[...] sworn enemy of Tsunade, and later of Kakashi. [...] It was Sakumo, the White Fang, for being "the enemy of her son" (chapter 253, page 13 - 16). In fact, she confused Kakashi and Sakumo in chapter 243.

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3. 13-16 years ago

[...] Yodaime teaches both Jiraiya and Sarutobi the Death Sealer and Rasengan jutsus, and possibly the Body Flicker Ninjutsu. [...] a) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Death Sealer technique to Jiraiya.
b) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Rasengan technique to Sarutobi.
c) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Body Flicker Ninjutsu (i suppose you mean the "Hiraishin no Jutsu" or "Flying Thunder God Technique") to anyone. ) It's irritating to say "possibly" because there is no hint that ever happened.

The other mistakes are already found by others like sectum (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=821.msg273832#msg273832) or Redklaw (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=821.msg264732#msg264732)

starfall856
February 25, 2007, 11:19 AM
OMG this is like the best time line ever!!!
it cleared up like every single question i have about naruto!!
THANKS!!!

psypho
February 28, 2007, 10:18 PM
Here are some mistakes I found:

1. Generally, some of the BB - Code Tags got screwed up (like the size ones)

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2. 20-25 years ago It was Sakumo, the White Fang, for being "the enemy of her son" (chapter 253, page 13 - 16). In fact, she confused Kakashi and Sakumo in chapter 243.

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3. 13-16 years ago a) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Death Sealer technique to Jiraiya.
b) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Rasengan technique to Sarutobi.
c) It is nowhere mentioned Yondaime ever taught the Body Flicker Ninjutsu (i suppose you mean the "Hiraishin no Jutsu" or "Flying Thunder God Technique") to anyone. ) It's irritating to say "possibly" because there is no hint that ever happened.

The other mistakes are already found by others like sectum (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=821.msg273832#msg273832) or Redklaw (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=821.msg264732#msg264732)


Please produce a manga version number and page to prove it was Sakumo.
[EDIT] I'll be checking your reference shortly. chp 243 naruto.

It was inferred in one episode conversation between Jiraiya and Kakashi (or one of those old Konoha elders) concerning the Death Sealer Jutsu. Jiraiya gave the hinted impression that he knew about the jutsu and what it could do. Plus, he was Yondaime's former teacher, thus he may have been taught the jutsu. Hnece the word "possibly".

Sarutobi was known as the "God of All Shinobi", and as such, it would only be logical that he would have full knowldge of the Flying Thunder God Jutsu (though possibly would not be able to execute it), the Rasengan (again not able to execute it), as well as the Death Sealer Jutsu (which was the jutsu used by Yondaime in some variant form). Please prove with manga version and page to prove me otherwise.

Although...
You are right about the Body Flicker Jutsu mistype, it will be corrected to Flying Thunder God Jutsu shortly.

Type print sizing will also be corrected. But this might take some time. Please bear with me.

*Reason why I said that Sarutobi may not have been able to execute a jutsu like Flying Thunder God or Rasengan, is because HE'S OLD!!! It was noted in the conversation between anbu during the Orochimaru and Sarutobi Fight Event. He had reached beyond a certain age, thus he was not able to produce an abundant amount of chakra anymore. Thereby limited on jutsu he could have utilized, if it weren't for the fact that he would have cut down his chakra power reserves into half or less if he did.




OMG this is like the best time line ever!!!
it cleared up like every single question i have about naruto!!
THANKS!!!


Thank you very much for the compliment.