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MissingLimb
September 08, 2008, 11:00 PM
In light of recent events I felt like this thread needed to be made. Just in case people haven't looked at the spoiler thread yet, please put your posts in a spoiler tag until the official scanlation comes out. Thanks.

So anyways this thread is dedicated to catastrophe/ katastrophe. What does the countdown mean? When will it happen? Who'll be involved? Is Gantz really German? Post your opinions here.

We'll actually get some answers soon I'm so excited

revived thread and merged

georgemarvin
September 13, 2008, 09:26 AM
What we know:
1. It's going to happen in 7 days, 23 hours.
2. The German spelling was used.
3. Nishi used the plural form "we" when talking about what it might be; that means that he is probably in contact with veterans from other Gantz teams. They have evidently discussed it among themselves.
4. Nishi told Izumi that the Tokyo team needed more weapons if it was going to have a chance.
5. Nishi guards information like it is a valuable commodity for one reason: it is. He has probably been trading info about the hunts of other teams for a long time; he probably trades info about the aliens he has faced for info about the other teams' hunts.
6. We know that the Tokyo team doesn't have much of an arsenal of reward weapons: 5 swords and 2 bikes. I don't think the BFGs are going to be a 100 point reward. That is probably the sword. The BFGs that the sadists used were probably left in the arsenal room by members who had died, or they borrowed them from other players. Knob-yan had cleared 4 times, but he just had the BFG and sword.
7. Regardless of the specifics of which reward they receive at which level, Izumi could open the arsenal room but the rookie in the Buddha mission couldn't; that means that only people who have cleared at least once can access the room. Izumi left the door open for Kei, and he kept the sword that he got out of it on the next mission. However, the bike evidently went back into the locked room, because it wasn't used in the following missions.
8. After everybody accumulated 100 points at the end of the Oni mission, there was a big fight in the room at the start of the Nuri mission, so nobody tried to open the door and get anything out. Izumi's reward weapon should be in the room now.
9. Nishi isn't worried about dying. He said that the current team would be among the first to die, though. It is possible that he can open another armory, possibly the room in the kitchen area that Sei tried to open but couldn't.
9a. After all, he was the sole survivor of at least 5 missions, and survived through at least 35 missions before Kei arrived in the room. His tactics are designed to minimize his risk and maximize the number of points that he gets every mission. It's practically impossible for him to have lived through that many missions without getting a few hundred points.
10. Nishi speculated that the catastrophe will be a nuclear war, but it could just as easily be a full-scale invasion.
11. Nishi believes that the teams with the best weapons will be able to survive and pretty much rule the earth when it's all over.
12. Nishi thinks that an invincible army is going to take over the earth, and that nuclear war is a strong possibility. In other words, our governments will probably use nuclear weapons to try to destroy the aliens, and everything will be destroyed. What will remain will be a post-apocalyptic battlefield, where only the strongest will survive. But that may not happen; it's just Nishi, and evidently several other veterans, speculating.

Well, what do you think?

Masterchief
September 13, 2008, 07:04 PM
@ 7. the room opens after gantz opens izumi said so himself, as for the guy in the buddha mission he tried to open it before gantz opened
http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-chapter-58-page-10.html

georgemarvin
September 13, 2008, 11:24 PM
@ 7. the room opens after gantz opens izumi said so himself, as for the guy in the buddha mission he tried to open it before gantz opened
http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-c...8-page-10.html

That's actually not exactly what Izumi said. He said he remembered that once the ball opens, that was the only door that he could open. The difference is that he didn't say that the door will only open after the ball opens, just that it is the only locked door that will open. It's showing his swiss cheese memory; that's one thing that he remembers from his former tour of duty with Gantz.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/135/16/

It's likely that the guy from the Buddha mission wouldn't be the first rookie to try the locked doors. If the rookies could open that door after the ball opened, some rookie would have showed up for a mission with a sword and a bike. For that matter, some of the team would have showed up for the missions after Dino with them. After all, they all knew about it after Dino mission ended. It looks like the only way Kei was able to get into the room and get a sword and a bike was because Izumi left it open. But now that they have cleared once, they should be able to access the room.

Masterchief
September 13, 2008, 11:33 PM
its not the only way kei was able to get into the room its the only way he knew about it, and even if rookies took the sword and the bike doesnt mean anything, they coulda just drove outa the area and gotten killed.

GAT-X252
September 14, 2008, 12:07 AM
@ 7. the room opens after gantz opens izumi said so himself, as for the guy in the buddha mission he tried to open it before gantz opened.

Agreed. Anyway...along with the bikes and th Y-Guns, there a few people who take the swords with them to the missions.

Hollow Kurono
September 14, 2008, 03:45 AM
2. The German spelling was used.

So it could be happenin in Germany or somehow related to Germany or maybe the enemys will come from Germany.



3. Nishi used the plural form "we" when talking about what it might be; that means that he is probably in contact with veterans from other Gantz teams. They have evidently discussed it among themselves.


I wonder how he found it,but its a possibility,he did create that website and Izumi found it,they could do that to.Its a possibility.



4. Nishi told Izumi that the Tokyo team needed more weapons if it was going to have a chance.


Yeah he did,well this team makes up for the weapons with an unbelievable teamwork so weapons not realy that big of an issue,ofcourse if were talkin about that every other team has a person that cleared over 7 times.



5. Nishi guards information like it is a valuable commodity for one reason: it is. He has probably been trading info about the hunts of other teams for a long time; he probably trades info about the aliens he has faced for info about the other teams' hunts.


I think someone will find him,yeah Chery probably still has his number ofcourse if Nishi didnt hide it,I believe Nishi in time will tell,I hope he will tell it till the war starts.



6. We know that the Tokyo team doesn't have much of an arsenal of reward weapons: 5 swords and 2 bikes. I don't think the BFGs are going to be a 100 point reward. That is probably the sword. The BFGs that the sadists used were probably left in the arsenal room by members who had died, or they borrowed them from other players. Knob-yan had cleared 4 times, but he just had the BFG and sword.


Maybe Knob-yan didnt use the other ones and this could be truth cause Kyou cleared twice and didnt have the H-Gun,maybe you get it from members that have died or maybe Knob didnt want to use anything else,remeber the guy was reckless,there could be possibilitys that he didnt use them on purpose.

BUt yeah maybe you are right,cause there aint that much of those swors as the are the rifles or the guns.Maybe they are the weapons left from others,but I wonder to what kind of aliens they lost if they cleared once or twice.



7. Regardless of the specifics of which reward they receive at which level, Izumi could open the arsenal room but the rookie in the Buddha mission couldn't; that means that only people who have cleared at least once can access the room. Izumi left the door open for Kei, and he kept the sword that he got out of it on the next mission. However, the bike evidently went back into the locked room, because it wasn't used in the following missions.


Izumi said that this was the only room that could be opened when the ball was opened.I doubt the fact you need to clear once.I think it didnt open cause he wanted to keep everythin tidy,ball opens take your weapons and so opens the other room take your weapons aswell.And Kurono didnt take no sword in the jurasic mission only a bike,next mission,I mean Tae and Ring mission,he didnt have a sword.



8. After everybody accumulated 100 points at the end of the Oni mission, there was a big fight in the room at the start of the Nuri mission, so nobody tried to open the door and get anything out. Izumi's reward weapon should be in the room now.


Hmm a possibility if those sadists took other weapons so thsi could be true to,its possible.



9. Nishi isn't worried about dying. He said that the current team would be among the first to die, though. It is possible that he can open another armory, possibly the room in the kitchen area that Sei tried to open but couldn't.


If he could why would he risk in this mission,if there were so high-tech weapons he wouldnt risk,he would take them and use them.I sometimes think that Nishi is created by Gantz,you know like some kind of general,a guide or whatever.



9a. After all, he was the sole survivor of at least 5 missions, and survived through at least 35 missions before Kei arrived in the room. His tactics are designed to minimize his risk and maximize the number of points that he gets every mission. It's practically impossible for him to have lived through that many missions without getting a few hundred points.


Maybe the mission he tried to live had very weak aliens,very weak.He is always hiding man,maybe there was a period where only Leek alien types came and he could not do anything about it.He didnt have a few hundred points,I think he was there for like a year,he said that himself if I remeber correctly,but never had a 100 points,I just doubt that.




10. Nishi speculated that the catastrophe will be a nuclear war, but it could just as easily be a full-scale invasion.


Could be.


11. Nishi believes that the teams with the best weapons will be able to survive and pretty much rule the earth when it's all over.


Maybe,I dont think Nishi is into world-domination.But Nishi doesnt know,he doesnt know,what kind of team is the Tokyo team,they were broken since Kei died,now hes back,the team is back,Katou is back + Kaze fuckin rules,look at him.The teamwork they had and the teamwork they might have or will have will make up for theyre lack of weapons.


12. Nishi thinks that an invincible army is going to take over the earth, and that nuclear war is a strong possibility. In other words, our governments will probably use nuclear weapons to try to destroy the aliens, and everything will be destroyed. What will remain will be a post-apocalyptic battlefield, where only the strongest will survive. But that may not happen; it's just Nishi, and evidently several other veterans, speculating.


Yeah,that could be true,that could be true.And Im going to make me some breakfest.

georgemarvin
September 14, 2008, 10:03 AM
Agreed. Anyway...along with the bikes and th Y-Guns, there a few people who take the swords with them to the missions.

I thought only Izumi, the veteran, Nishi, another veteran, and Kei, who Izumi had let into the room, and is smart enough to grab a sword when he had the chance, had the swords after the Dino mission. I could be wrong. Please show me where any other player used a sword in any mission after Dino and I will throw that theory in the scrap heap.

The Y-gun isn't a reward weapon. There was an extended debate about it. Bittman originally suggested the idea that the Y-gun was a reward weapon in the rewards and weapons thread. After seeing the evidence, I agreed it was plausible. I re-read the early issues and added a chain of ownership for the Y-gun, making it even more plausible. I championed the idea in discussions of possible rewards in both that thread and others, pending somebody shooting it down, and several people did try to shoot it down. However, I ended up shooting it down myself: Gantz manual, full version, back cover. It shows an up-close view of the weapons. There are clearly six Y-guns in the ball.

Mr.Aaron
September 14, 2008, 11:56 AM
Anyone think that it'll be a full scale invasion of soldiers that they had fought before?

Like Tanakas with more improved suits?

georgemarvin
September 14, 2008, 01:15 PM
Anyone think that it'll be a full scale invasion of soldiers that they had fought before?
That's what they already did this last mission. Nuri was just an overpowered Oni boss. Re-read issues #198 thru 201. Nuri just used his powers better than the Oni boss did.

The Oni boss that Reika fought during the Oni mission and Nurarihyon had practically identical abilities: They could change form at will, with the Oni changing into a bee, an elephant, Kei and Reika. It also turned into an ecchi that was smaller but the same as the giant one that Nuri turned into.
The Oni boss absorbed three X-gun blasts. It regenerated from massive damage. It could handle being blown into pieces by five X-guns. But it couldn't handle one hit by a surprise attack from Kei using a Gantz sword, just like Nuri couldn't handle one hit by a surprise attack from Oka using a Gantz sword.

For that matter, the Oni had the same acid attack as the 1000 arms boss. It dissolved the Gantzers, suit and all. Nuri's very presence did the same thing to the ritual sacrifices, the soldiers and the Gantz members who got too close before he fought Oka. There was quite a discussion back then about what it was that dissolved things around Nuri. The X-gun even showed a fine mist surrounding him. That would be the same acid that the Oni used.

Nuri also used the same laser attack that the 1000 arms did.

Some of the races of aliens are "bosses" and others are just cannon fodder. The Oni appear to be one of the strongest. The Onion, Tanaka and Shorty Aliens were just refugees from what may turn out to be an intergalactic war. The Dinos were also emigrants, but they didn't plan to just hide and blend in. The Dino boss and horsemen were evidently different species from 1000 arms, the one Oni boss and Nuri, but they weren't benevolent, like onions, tanaka and Shorty.

GAT-X252
September 14, 2008, 01:29 PM
No one take the swords or the bikes to the missions. It's not because the can't enter the room, is just because the don't like to use them...*just like no ones use the Y Gun or the Bikes.

The Osaka Team uses almost everything with the exception of the Y Gun.

georgemarvin
September 14, 2008, 03:11 PM
No one take the swords or the bikes to the missions. It's not because the can't enter the room, is just because the don't like to use them...*just like no ones use the Y Gun or the Bikes.

The Osaka Team uses almost everything with the exception of the Y Gun.

In Nerdo's flashback, second panel down on the left, George was leaving the side room with an H-gun before the ball opened.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/255/04/

The Osaka team who use the stuff from the armory are all veterans.

If I'm right, whenever anybody chooses the powerful weapon, it goes into the arsenal room. People with anything from 100 to 400 points can open the door to that arsenal room. Once you clear 5 times, you can get into another arsenal room; every time anybody gets enough points to get into that room, they have access to the really neat stuff, like the flying bike, giant invisible suit, gorilla suit, and mecha. Oka only had 300 points more than Knob-yan, but he had four more rewards. That probably means that Oka wasn't the only person who had ever gotten more than 500 points while playing for that Gantz. Once they hit 1,000 there will be a third room that they can open, which may have some other really neat goodies.

The alternative would be something totally unbelievable: The giant invisible suit that was fighting the bull demon early in the Nuri fight didn't belong to Oka, after all.

Skittles
September 14, 2008, 04:57 PM
I think we'll see what's in that big black ball in germany, in 7 days. :P

pirate-hitman:L
September 14, 2008, 07:16 PM
I believe this will be a full scale alien invasion, and the conclusion of the series.
The capture gun will be needed. They can't deal with another Nuri.

georgemarvin
September 15, 2008, 01:53 AM
They've already dealt with three of them. They should get easier as the team gets more experience. Of course, Katou has taken out two of them: 1000 arms and Nuri. Reika was fighting the third one (issues 198-201) when Kei hit it with a surprise attack with a Gantz sword and cut off its head. Nishi almost took out Nuri, but close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. The current team has no less than 4 members who have fought the shape-shifting, acid spitting, laser beam emitting, regenerating Oni bosses, (well, 5 if you count Inaba, but his only experience was having sex with one.) so they should be able to deal with future Nuri's easier than this last one.

Kozar927
September 15, 2008, 02:26 AM
are you saying that the shape shifter oni was a 100 pointer? maby I missed what you ment.
Because thats not true.

Raysen_ht
September 15, 2008, 10:08 AM
I think @georgemarvin is trying to say that they are the same kind of alien, not that they were all 100 poiters...

About katastrophi... i dont want it to be a massive alian invasion... that would be too predictable imo.
I want to be surprised by what happens!! I think that all this "alian hunting" missions are a practice for something else... i think the alians are also practicing for the same thing...that would be a way to explain why/how they apeear on earth

georgemarvin
September 15, 2008, 11:57 AM
are you saying that the shape shifter oni was a 100 pointer? maby I missed what you ment.
Because thats not true.


Actually, I didn't say that the Oni boss was 100 points; we don't know whether that's true or not. But it's very, very likely that each of the Nuri type is worth 100 points, even though 1000 arms and the Oni boss weren't as strong as Nurarihyon. Like anything concerning this manga, you have to look closely and pay attention.

People speculated how much 1000 arms was worth. The consensus was that it was probably 100 points. We'll never know because Katou died.

In the Oni mission, Reika got the points for the Oni boss. She killed a half-dozen 2-pointers and she scored exactly 100 points for the mission. Kei killed about 30 2-pointers and he got 56 points. Since there is a limit of 100 points per mission and the Oni boss wasn't the only alien that she got points for, we're not sure exactly how many she got for it. It could have been as little as 80 points or it could have been 100 exactly.

Regardless of whether each one of them is worth exactly 100 points, though, they are main bosses, and they all have the same abilities. They take the shape of whatever group of aliens that they are leading, but they aren't necessarily part of that race.

All of the Oni except that boss were just weak foot soldiers, though. One X-gun hit and they were toast.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/193/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/194/04/

Only the one boss that she first met in issue 191 and fought head on in 198-201 was really powerful and durable. It was acknowledged as being the leader when they called the Oni main boss and reported that Kei had cut its head off.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/01/

Since Reika had fought that boss from the beginning of the mission, and Kei hit the final blow, but Reika got the points anyway, the theory that keeps popping up that the one who hits the final blow automatically gets all the points isn't valid. Evidently, Gantz does take kill-stealing into account when he's figuring out the scoring.

Kozar927
September 15, 2008, 05:46 PM
Since Reika had fought that boss from the beginning of the mission, and Kei hit the final blow, but Reika got the points anyway, the theory that keeps popping up that the one who hits the final blow automatically gets all the points isn't valid. Evidently, Gantz does take kill-stealing into account when he's figuring out the scoring.

Very interesting. Can you prove this? Then why did Kato get all of nuris points and not Host samurai, or n e of the snipers?

Mr.Aaron
September 15, 2008, 06:50 PM
Very interesting. Can you prove this? Then why did Kato get all of nuris points and not Host samurai, or n e of the snipers?

Because if anything, Hikawa was the one who stole the kill. He jumped randomly into a full forced attack, sliced Nuri's head, and vanished. Katou did not kill steal due to the fact that he was directly in front of Nuri and completely flattened him.

Kozar927
September 15, 2008, 06:55 PM
But without HS "jump in" they would of lost to Nuri.
I still dont see how it possable gantz wouldn't give the points to who deals final blow.

Mr.Aaron
September 15, 2008, 06:59 PM
But without HS "jump in" they would of lost to Nuri.
I still dont see how it possable gantz wouldn't give the points to who deals final blow.
I agree, but the point that I was trying to make was that Katou didn't kill steal. :|

georgemarvin
September 15, 2008, 07:14 PM
Well, Gantz obviously gave Reika the points for the Oni mission boss. She would have had a lowly score of less than 20 points otherwise. She had shot it dozens of times, and Kei only got in one blow, but the blow he got in was the killing blow. If he had gotten the points, it would have been a kill steal, but he didn't. She got all of the points.

The same logic applies for Nuri. Katou and the others had done nearly all of the damage to Nuri, just like Reika had done to the Oni boss. HS only got in one blow, just like Kei did with the Oni boss. Even if HS's blow had been the final blow that killed Nuri, HS probably wouldn't have gotten the points, because Katou was the one who did the most damage, just like Kei didn't get the points, because Reika was the one who did the most damage.

It looks like the person who gets the killing blow usually gets the points. However, like most video games, there is a fail-safe to prevent players from cheating: if the final blow is the only one that they got in, and it does less than 10% of the total damage, then the person who did the most overall damage gets the kill.

Now that I think about it, there were so many people who had damaged Nuri, it would be hard to say whether Nishi, Kaze or Oka would have gotten the kill if HS' one hit had finished Nuri off. However, since Katou got both the final blow and did massive damage from multiple hits with the H-gun, the points were his.

Mr.Aaron
September 15, 2008, 07:49 PM
What about when Reika had killed all of the other Oni aliens before? Didn't she kill 20 of them?

gHZoDD
September 15, 2008, 07:51 PM
Very interesting. Can you prove this? Then why did Kato get all of nuris points and not Host samurai, or n e of the snipers?

or why nishi gets all the 75 pts for his kill, even going back to the onion mission where he stole kurono's kill and took the 3 pts.

my explanation is that the aliens she killed were worth more than just 1/2 pointers simply because they were more intelligent than the usual grunt n roar type aliens.

heres my take on it, every alien is scored a somewhat simple math formula
[power] x [intellegence] = points (can never exeed 100)

examples

nuri
[30.00power] x [30.00int] = 100 because of point cap
Very strong, very smart, was able to speak English fluently and even able to toy with members and make strategic battle decisions, like chasing after Oka instead of just fighting the people in front of him.

tanaka
[2.00power] x [2.50int] = 5
for such a weak alien, so many points. the reason being is because he had minor intelligence ie store, conversations with kei, getting angry/calm.

onion boss
[2.00power] x [1.50int] = 3
I think in terms of power, he pretty similar in comparison to the tanaka, however his intelligence was lower, evident as to the fact he couldn't really communicate even tho he tried too really hard, as well as the fact he just kept chasing them and not really formulating any battle strategies.

dino mission
The stupid raptors killed by the team were worth barely anything.
The Dinosaurs that could talk and communicate were worth more than the stupid T-Rexes that were dumb and just brutes.

Tae
[1.00power] x [30int] = 30
lets see, shes soo weak, the only thing I can say is that she was smart, or at least in comparison to alien brain power.

I think it goes something like that, look at the buddah mission, kei killed 2 giant statues who are both stronger than a tanaka + the GIANT buddah only to get 8 pts at the end...

Id guess based on all this, had he killed the shorty alien, he should have gotten at least 15 points for each. 1000 arms would have probably been close to 50 pts.

in many cases the really strong/dumb are worth nothing whereas the
medium str/medium int aliens are worth a chunk. Another example would be in the osaka mission where samurai's are worth a chuck because they were very smart, but there fighting abilities were somewhat decent.

If we look back on the computer gadget for a sec, we see those bars
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/256/06/
the 71 and 68 pointer had pretty average stats in all areas, not much range from highest to lowest.

http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/256/07/
Nuri's chart is way higher and in every area, this is why I think he'd be worth way more than 100 if the cap was removed.

now there's some discussion on the kill stealing and whatnot for the oni mission, because of reika getting 100 points. il go back to my theory at the top and say all of those higher intellect aliens are probly worth 5 pts a piece due to their [1 pow] x 5[int] stats, this is because everyone in the mission besides panda and inaba gets 100 pts and a few of them didnt even fight/hurt the bosses. Old man didnt fight any bosses but racked up huge pts. Also inaba got 10 pts this mission, yet with 30 minutes left, he tells the team he hasnt killed anything. http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/09/

In the time when izumi was fighting oni boss, I dont think inaba got 10 kills, maybe 1-2 kills with the help of stealth mode + teamates. http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/208/14-15/

had there of been no cap, i think you would of seen 200+ pts in my opinion.

Mr.Aaron
September 15, 2008, 07:56 PM
I agree with the 'Point Cap' on Aliens theory due to the fact that Nuri was tond stronger then Tengu and Snoopy, who had nearly 100 points. I'm guessing that The 100 Pointer that Oka faced was actually worth somewhere around 100 points, while Nur was worth much more then that. I suspect that in the Katatstophe, if there is an invasion, that there will be at least 2 100 pointers.

georgemarvin
September 15, 2008, 08:13 PM
@gHZoDD
You're not doing the simple math.
Kei killed about 30 of them; he was having the old man keep score. If they were worth 5 points each, he would have had a score of 150 points.
Reika killed about 5 to 10 of them. If they were worth 5 points each, it would be 50 points, max.
But Kei didn't get 150 points. He only got 56 points.
And Reika didn't get 25 to 50 points. She got 100 points exactly.

If they weren't killing the exact same Oni foot soldiers, you might be able to argue that the ones Kei killed were worth less points. But they were exactly the same. He killed many more than she did. For his score to be 57, he had to have killed a total of 28 2-pointers and 1 1-pointer, which is about what the Old Man said he had killed.
[hr]


everyone in the mission besides panda and inaba gets 100 pts and a few of them didnt even fight/hurt the bosses.

No, they didn't. Reika had exactly 2 points. She is the only one who scored 100 points for the mission. And nobody scored over a few points without taking out a boss or a LOT of minions. Sakata took out the fire boss, Kaze took out the stone boss, and Izumi took out the final boss.

Izumi already had 46 points. His total after Oni was 126. That meant he scored 80 points that mission. He killed the final boss AND several Oni foot soldiers.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/185/09/

Sakata already had 21 points. His total after Oni was 105 points. That meant he scored 84 points. He killed the Oni Fire boss AND several Oni foot soldiers.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gant/174/03/ (http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/03/)

We know that Kaze had 5 points after the Dino mission; it didn't show his score after the horsemen mission, though. It looks like Oku just forgot to put it in there; we know he killed at least one of them. So we don't know exactly how many points Kaze made during the Oni mission. But it's a good guess that it was 80-100 points. He killed the stone boss, which was probably about 70 points all by itself, as well as several small fry.

Kei already had 78 points. His total after Oni was 135 points. That meant he scored 57 points. He was having Old Man keep score, because he thought the Oni were 1 point, and he needed 22 points to get Tae back. Old Man said he thought Kei had killed about 30 of the Oni foot soldiers. When Gantz gave him 57 points, that showed that they were probably 2-pointers.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/08/

Masterchief
September 15, 2008, 09:10 PM
so wat about nishi? the only explanation i can think off is that knob died thats why nishi got the points. Also if reika had 2 points at the beggining of the mission wouldnt that mean she got 98 points overall if she did get exactly 100?

georgemarvin
September 15, 2008, 09:15 PM
so wat about nishi? the only explanation i can think off is that knob died thats why nishi got the points.
We've all assumed that it was really Tengu that Nishi killed. I do have another theory about how he got his points, but I'm not saying yet. At this point, everybody would just say that I'm crazy :)

Assuming he got the points from Tengu, we have to remember that he did do a lot of damage. Tengu wasn't the boss. Knob-yan had wounded Tengu, but not anything like mortally. I was saying that there is a fail-safe to prevent kill stealing. That doesn't mean that the killing blow doesn't count for a lot more than a normal blow. And Nishi's killing blow did a lot of the total damage to Tengu, because it actually hit its head, instead of a shoulder or other non-vital area. Knob-yan just hadn't done enough damage for the fail-safe to stop Nishi from getting the points.


Also if reika had 2 points at the beggining of the mission wouldnt that mean she got 98 points overall if she did get exactly 100?
She had 102 points at the end of the Oni mission, the 2 she already had and 100 for the mission.

Masterchief
September 15, 2008, 09:27 PM
ah ok lol i was too lazy to look it up. Also knob blew up half of tengu's head or close to it.http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/262/24/
lazyness = gone

gHZoDD
September 16, 2008, 02:22 AM
@georgemarvin
I think reika killed a lot more than just 5-10, because she says so in one of the panel, she says "a lot" and judging from 1 of the panels, I counted 7 aliens in 1 screen, and reika took them all out by herself. Now to assume she was only active in 1 freaking panel is quite a bold statement lol.

Id say kurono killed less than 30 because
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/194/08/
he says "we" "killed 22 so far havent we" and not "I" killed 22.
If kei killed 13 , and oldy killed 9, then kei kills a boss id assume worth 15 pts
then itd be 13x2 + 1x15, 41. 16 more pts to go, now from the panels we dont see, id say he got 8 kills for a total of 21 kills@2pts+15pointer boss. He didnt get points for the last guy because izumi did the final blow. http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/215/07/, stepped on his head then shot.

inaba's magic 10 pts
Here are the facts.
-started mission with 0 points
-30 minutes left in mission, still 0 pts
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/07/ & http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/09/
-15 minutes left http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/208/18/ only guy left is oni boss
---> therefor the group encountered another batch of enemies prior to oni boss, my guess would be the cell phone guy + soldiers

The proof that reika encountered more enemies, with 30 minutes left, inaba says he hasn't killed any, fast forward 15 minutes, they are fighting the oni boss. in that time frame of 15 minutes inaba has managed to get 10 points, so 5kills@2pts or 10kills@1pt. If inaba can get off 5 kills, im thinking they would have had to run into an ass load of aliens. you can argue that in http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/13/ kei says we'll kill the "last" one, i dont think he was refering to the boss, because the boss messed up the radar leaving me to think he was refering to a different alien, remember this guy?
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/206/01/
so if im right, thats where reika's points come from + a group of aliens when the encounter took place, how else to explain inaba's magic 10 pts.
so the guy in the pic on the phone, im thinking is a boss aswell, he seems pretty high rank in comparison to the 2 pointers by the dialog of the phone convo [my speculation of course]

so we have a situation where there are 5 bosses, 4 are shown to get killed, 1 killed off panel (inaba's magic 10 pts)
izumi kills oni boss [main boss]
kaze kills rock boss [sub boss]
sak kills fire boss [sub boss]
kei kills elephant boss [sub boss]
reika kills cell phone guy [footsoldier< him < sub boss] (off panel kill)
inaba's magic 10 pts come from cell phone bosses foot soldiers.

i still think only the one who kill gets the points, reason being , this chap
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/53/10/
kato only 5 pts

onion mission, nishi gets the points, and just listen to what he says
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/18/07/
"was gonna let you have the pts" he knew he was going to get the pts even with a kill steal tactic. onion didnt even look at nishi during the chap.

Kozar927
September 16, 2008, 03:10 AM
^ I totally agree with this argument. I dont belive Gantz keeps track of who did the most damage to the alian. Remeber how sloppy gantz has been know to be. He has to just give the points to who make the alian die, based on Katos line "I only caused one to die"

georgemarvin
September 16, 2008, 11:26 AM
Let's see if we can get a good idea of the point values in the Oni mission.

You're right. I looked it up. My memory isn't what it used to be. He did say "we".

That changes the equation, since it means that Kei killed fewer of them. Also, I had made a mistake when I thought he had 56 points; I just added wrong. I was sleepy.

Kei had 57 points. That number is equally divisible by 3. All of the Oni foot soldiers would have been the same value. If he didn't get credit for that boss that Reika fought, 57 divided by 3 would equal 19 that he killed.

Everybody forgets one thing: The Oni mission was actually two missions in one. The elementals and vampires weren't part of the original mission; that's why things got so screwed up.

The actual target of the mission was the Oni. The main boss for the actual mission was the Oni boss that Reika fought and Kei killed.

Let's get a good idea of the point values of the Elementals part of the mission: rock, fire and lightning bosses. Each of them was actually less dangerous than the Oni boss that Reika fought, as it had all of Nuri's abilities and durability.

Izumi got 84 points, Sakata got 80 and Kaze got about 80. Each took down an elemental boss and a few foot soldiers. We can guess that each of the elemental bosses was worth about 50-70 points.

It's only logical that Kei only got 57 points because Reika got the points for the original boss of the mission. If he had gotten the points, his score would have been close to 100 and hers would have been less than the 57 that he had. Remember that he was killing as many of them as he could, as fast as he could, to get Tae back, and Reika spent most of her time fighting the actual boss of the mission, so she didn't have nearly as much time to hunt the regular soldiers as Kei did.

There's no way that Reika got twice the score that Kei did if he got the points for the main boss of the mission AND a huge number of the regular Oni soldiers, while she didn't kill a single boss and killed fewer regular soldiers than Kei.

But he obviously killed it. The Nuri types are weak to both surprise attacks and Gantz swords, and he used both.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/201/16-17/

If Gantz doesn't have a rule against kill stealing, the only other possibility is that Reika's last shot at the elephant form of the boss hit at the same time as his sword slash. But we didn't see it explode.

I have another theory about Inaba's 10 points. There was a panel missing in the issue that showed the scores after the horsemen mission. Inaba's and Kaze's scores weren't shown. The magazine that does the serialization may have told Oku to cut out a page due to editorial reasons, or it could have been Oku trying to make it harder for us to figure out the scoring for the next mission. Regardless, we don't know for sure how many points that Inaba or Kaze already had at the start of the Oni mission.

I noticed that Oku made everybody get out a calculator to figure out how many points everybody got for the Oni mission; unlike all the other missions, he didn't show the scoring for that mission separately, we just got each player's total for all missions. That should have been like a huge arrow pointing to the fact that we were all missing something important about the scoring.

gHZoDD
September 16, 2008, 04:34 PM
Inaba says
I didnt do muchbetter than the kid or the panda, keyword being 'much'
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/220/10/

inaba's scoring says 10 pts, TOTAL 10, 90 to go, and not 0 pts, TOTAL 10, 90 to go.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/53/09/ exactly the same as when kishi gets 10 pts

Now here's where I think oku changes things up to confuse the readers a little bit.

When a player has less than 100 pts in the scoring, it shows the score for that mission on the middle, then the total score on the bottom right.
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/90/08/ +8, TOTAL 46
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/100/18/ -46, TOTAL 0
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/03/ +10, TOTAL 24
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/06/ +10, TOTAL 15
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/07/ +10, TOTAL 26
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/174/08/ +20, TOTAL 78
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/185/09/ +30, TOTAL 56

But things change when people get 100 pts...
When players get 100, it doesn't show the mission score in the middle, it now shows the total score.

http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/216/14-15/
shows 105, why not +84, TOTAL 105
every one who gets 100 or more is the exact same thing, just shows total score

either the point scoring menu changed its layout for people who clear or oku is inconsistent in his manga scoring screen.

in chapter 279, the people with less than 100, shows mission score and total
kaze +35, TOTAL 50 and not just 50, 50 to go

what all of this means is that inaba did indeed get +10 for oni mission, otherwise it would have said +0, TOTAL 10, 90 to go.

georgemarvin
September 16, 2008, 05:35 PM
Good point. It looks like Inaba did actually manage to kill something. But Oku also wanted to make us have to figure out how many points each of them actually got that mission. He didn't want to make it too obvious that the Oni boss was so valuable in comparison with everything else that they killed.

I looked back and Reika had just shot the Oni boss a couple of pages before Kei cut off its head, so it's possible that there isn't a kill stealing rule; with the delay, it could have been simultaneous hits, with Reika getting the points.
[hr]
Am I the only one who thinks there might be one last point-scoring mission before the catastrophe?

And I still think there is a good chance that Izumi's BFG is going to be sitting in the armory room if any of the current team has enough sense to just open the door.

Kozar927
September 17, 2008, 12:23 AM
"I looked back and Reika had just shot the Oni boss a couple of pages before Kei cut off its head, so it's possible that there isn't a kill stealing rule; with the delay, it could have been simultaneous hits, with Reika getting the points."

@george
Thank you lol
This is belivable. If you start to adopt this philosophy then ill agree.

Also ya I think Izumis gun is around, only because of how he said it "have it ready for me by the next mission"

gHZoDD
September 17, 2008, 01:33 AM
Everybody forgets one thing: The Oni mission was actually two missions in one. The elementals and vampires weren't part of the original mission; that's why things got so screwed up.

The actual target of the mission was the Oni. The main boss for the actual mission was the Oni boss that Reika fought and Kei killed.


wait what?? the guy in the gantz mission briefing was not the guy who reika and kei killed. i put a lil photo to correlate the kills.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1757/ghzoddzt1.jpg

the cell phone guy says the leaders head has been cutoff, but the leader wasnt the target of gantz, it was the lightning guy. Even though he was the leader, the guy they killed at the end was more powerful+worth more pts.
I say that because I dont think the leader had any real abilities besides shapes shifting and absorbing gunfire. notice his only attack was going inside people,using acid, or raping inaba. In terms of firepower, the other 3 had more weapons.

Every one of them had limited power of Nuri, or Il rephrase it this way.
Combine all 4 of them, U get Nuri.
Rock Hard shell
transformations
magic power
regen+absorbing damage
speed+power

OR
that guy was never the leader in the first place, and cell phone guy messed up his lines. or he calls all 4 of them leaders.

from the dialog between inaba's group and oni's, Id put my marbels on saying the lightning boss was in fact the real leader and target.
-gantz ball screen
-he says "bring me your leader"
-other guy says "i alone am more than enough" more the type of thing a general would say and not what a leader would say.
-he fights LAST, makes sense, why would a leader fight first when he has foot soldiers and generals.

georgemarvin
September 17, 2008, 02:16 AM
You're right that there was something really screwed up with that mission. It showed the lightning elemental on the Gantz screen. It usually shows a weaker alien on that screen, then they end up fighting something much stronger for the final boss. The counter doesn't stop until after the main boss dies. But the counter stopped before they fought him. They all became visible after Inaba's gang got fried by the fire oni.

The one that Reika fought had all of Nuri's powers except the laser: shapeshifting to any form, acid, mimicry, could regenerate from massive damage, speed.

The elemental Oni bosses didn't have any of Nuri's powers; their powers were entirely elemental. Nuri never threw fireballs, lightning or turned into anything that wasn't made of flesh and bones.

Remember that Nuri wasn't all that physically strong, either. Kaze fought him one-on-one. Kuwabara had sex with him and lived to tell the tale. He didn't kill Nishi, Inaba, Old Man, etc.

I have no idea what you're talking about concerning magic. Nuri didn't have any magical abilities.

I don't understand why the timer stopped when the very same alien that Gantz showed on the original screen decided to enter the battle.

gHZoDD
September 17, 2008, 02:22 AM
oh the magic i was referring to for nuri was his ability to snap bones without touching and melt other aliens with his "aura"

he did some magic shockwave thing vs oka too, broke all the glass etc.

Umbra Wolf
September 17, 2008, 05:44 AM
You're right that there was something really screwed up with that mission. It showed the lightning elemental on the Gantz screen. It usually shows a weaker alien on that screen, then they end up fighting something much stronger for the final boss. The counter doesn't stop until after the main boss dies.
But now you got another change of Gantz' rules. It showed The Oni "boss" as the mission's objective and it did show Nur the boss of the latest mission as the objective. If the next mission also shows the boss as the main objective the first change of rules is that from the Oni mission on only bosses are shown.
You're idea that the timer stops when the boss entered battle fits very well to the nuri mission. When Nuri decided to go on a nice little rampage in his monster form suddenly the area of the Gantz game shrinks. That could also be a reaction to Nuri's decision.

But that would give us a whole new question to think about: Why should Gantz make the missions harder when the strongest monster already attacks? That's difficulty┬▓ at least and that is out of porportion. Maybe the current team is not as strong as it should be according to Gantz' plans?

P.S.: Maybe it was said earlier but "Katastrophe" is the German word for you might guessed it catastrophe. So in the next chapters we might find something out about the German religious cult around the giant Gantz ball.

georgemarvin
September 17, 2008, 07:13 AM
Yeah, the first change was that the timing of the missions went from 12 days to 30 days after the Tanaka mission.
The second change was when the cab driver was able to hear Reika during the Tae mission.
Then Gantz showed the real boss on the opening screen for the Oni mission.
Then they became visible about halfway through the Oni mission.
Then the timer stopped when the Nuri-type boss died and the original target of the Oni mission entered the battle.
I do have a theory: The timer stopping was probably just a normal feature, not a change in the rules. Look at the veteran Nishi's actions during the Nuri hunt. Despite the fact that there were still hundreds of minions running around in the Nuri mission, as soon as he thought Nuri was dead, Nishi yelled for Gantz to send them back. Evidently, they could have yelled for Gantz to send them back at any time after the main boss died. That means that when Kei and Reika killed what was probably the main boss of the Oni mission, (remember, she earned the maximum 100 points. Kei killed more than she did, but he just got 57 points), if they had told Gantz to send them home, the mission would have ended then and there. Since they didn't, the timer stopped and they had all the time they needed to do a "mop up" operation of all of the lesser aliens.

GAT-X252
September 17, 2008, 02:04 PM
About George opening the Bikes/Swords Room...

IMO it is a mistake (Kurono opened the door after the Tae Mission), the Osaka Mission is full of those insignificant mistakes...or the door wasn't opened.

georgemarvin
September 17, 2008, 07:23 PM
Kurono looked in the room. It's possible that he had opened it. Another possibility would be that Izumi opened it for him. When one member of the team can open the door but the rest of them can't, they would all just say "Hey, Izumi, open this door for me please?"

Some of the bigger "mistakes" that we saw early in the Osaka mission turned out not to be mistakes, after all. Then again, HS's regenerating tie was either a mistake, or HS's suit is like a Gantz suit: it regenerates from damage over time. We know he can pull a sword out of his hand. Why not a nanite suit? But his finger and the cut on his nose didn't regenerate.

HMM...Try this theory out: We know this about the vampires' nanites. The nanites in the vampires can merge with their flesh and may even merge with their suits, let the vampires hide something as big as a sword in their bodies, etc. but they are very limited. They make the vampires very fast and as strong as a Gantz suit. They have some healing ability but can't regenerate body parts and they have a severe weakness: direct sunlight causes them to overheat and burn their host to a crisp. They have been around for centuries.

The vampires may be like an early experiment. Nuri and the Oni boss may be the end result of the nanite technology. They can do everything that the vampires can, only better.

While the vampires have nanites in their systems, the Nuri types ARE nanites. Kind of like the T-5000 from the Terminator 2 movie. That would be why they're so hard to kill and why they treat the battles to the death like a game. They can't really be killed; they were never alive to begin with. They can almost instantly change forms. They can mimic a laser. The acid isn't really acid; it's microscopic nanites.

This theory is way out there, but it's not impossible. Comments?

GAT-X252
September 17, 2008, 08:52 PM
the cell phone guy says the leaders head has been cutoff, but the leader wasnt the target of gantz, it was the lightning guy.

The four were the Leaders Class Aliens...but the Lightning guy was the "Big Boss".

IMO, that vampire was talking about the other leader.

gHZoDD
September 17, 2008, 10:46 PM
@georgemarvin
i think nuri was an already highly advanced form even before being implanted with nanites.

1)Nuri is an S-Class organism no doubt
He was injected with nanites and sent into earth for testing purposes. Lets look at some facts first. maybe he was sent to see if he can survive in daylight via evolution?

Humans = No weakness to sunlight
Humans + nanites = Inherit weakness to sunlight
Nuri = weak against sunlight until he was hit by oka, then became resistant.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2304/ghzoddokaok5.jpg

Refer back to point 1, lets see what happens when we combine nanites weak against sunlight with a highly ever evolving organism, what will happen? Controlled Evolution

Oka's weapon was in my opinion highly condensed sun energy or something like that, I say that because the scenery doesn't seem any more damaged after he fired than before he fired his shot.

2)Nuri knows he was just the first step to the end of the world.
Lets look at what he said, something like the end was inevitable and there's nothing they can do to stop it. Hes probably referring to his special gift of his unique cell properties and the combination of nanites added. If indeed the test was successful, you have nanite creatures resistant to sunlight. Ever wonder why all the hunts take place at night? not really related but i just thought id bring it up.

3)The only alien in daylight I can remember is shorty alien in the school, however in my opinion he was not implanted with nanites and was his species was probably hunted down by nuri's species or the people nuri works for.
Why was he hunted? Probably for escaping the colony along with :
Onion
Hunted for being weak, only hope was to escape via help from blackmarket refugee smuggling scheme.
tanaka
Hunted for being weak/slow evolution. Tanaka boss goes to earth and nearly dies, comes back to colony. Has close connection ties with black market to develop a breathing apparatus. Time passes, the next generation has better equipment(the suits) also utilizing the ability to blend in with humans(learning from watching tv, mimicking pop culture phrases etc). Skip forward in time, the baby tanakas hatch on earth, they have evolved and can now breath the earths air, but die before they can reach adulthood due to the house collapse.
Buddah mission boss
a theory by george is that they probably needed to mimic muri to avoid being hunted. However they were found out, and then escape to earth. Most of them were wiped out trying to escape, the remaining ones were cleaned up by gantz team.

Black market
An independent group supplying rouge aliens with tools and the escape route to earth. I think the same group is also responsible for supplying vampires with their gadgets as well.

I could go on, so use your imaginations. To me it looks like the weak aliens need to disguise themselves or use the black market to be able to arrive on earth and survive. Dinosaur museum, oni alien soldiers etc.

ideas?

georgemarvin
September 17, 2008, 11:47 PM
Hmm...The nanites are going to be important to the story. We're not sure exactly how, but we know the vampires have a rudimentary form of them.
They seem to overheat in sunlight, causing their host to burn up.
All of the missions are at night. Leveling the playing field? Maybe Gantz is required to give them a fair chance?

We know that evolution is going to play a part in the story, because it's a recurring theme in the cryptic messages on the covers.

We can speculate that both nanites and evolution have something to do with Nuri. But he didn't evolve during the fight. Maybe he was the next step in the evolution of the Oni boss type aliens?

TheGenius
September 18, 2008, 12:03 AM
Hey all,

Like predicted before, Katastrophe is the end of the world, like Nishi said in his website. For the sure part, it can't be nuclear war, or else it would be too stupid and boring. So the manga is ending soon?

georgemarvin
September 18, 2008, 12:56 AM
It might just be the beginning of a new story. If it's the beginning of the end, we can be sure that it'll take a while, but it's probably going to just be a huge battle that takes Gantz into a new direction. There might be an arc in outer space after the end of the Catastrophe arc, and we've found out what Gantz' purpose really is.

gHZoDD
September 18, 2008, 01:06 AM
We can speculate that both nanites and evolution have something to do with Nuri. But he didn't evolve during the fight. Maybe he was the next step in the evolution of the Oni boss type aliens?

Oka's first energy blast splattered him, he regenerated, then the 2nd one didn't have any effect. I think there's more to nuri than just shape shifting.

Quetz
September 18, 2008, 02:48 PM
The initial attack hurt him, but then he was able to expect and get used to it, making the second shot less effective. That was the entire point of nuri: he could regenerate as long as he knew what was coming.

Mr.Aaron
September 18, 2008, 07:01 PM
I'm pretty confident that Katastrophe wont be the end of the story. I think that gantz has hardly even scraped the surface behind it's mystery.

Masterchief
September 18, 2008, 08:53 PM
ya its just left us with questions no answers, and whenever we think were getting an answer it just gives us more questions

staytough
September 19, 2008, 07:00 PM
@georgemarvin
I like your theorys even so that a few of them just can't be right

--------

What i think is important for Katastrophe is:

"Before the world was created,
the Word already existed.
The Word was the source of life,
and this life brought light to mankind.
The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has never put it out."

God:
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/89/17/
and chapter 279 where Katous brother is praying to god (even so he seems to do this all the time Katou is in trouble)

Light:
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/146/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/195/07/

Katastrophe:
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/238/01/
'All humans are targets' sounds like an invasion or at least an all out war.

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A few other things that came to my mind that could be important:

-About the Veterans (Nishi, Izumi, Oka):
All of them seem to be loners who seem to like the stealth mode.

-About Nishi-Izumi, Izumi-Kurono:
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/230/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Gantz/230/17/
It was in the same chapter and the reaction of Nishi and Izumi and that they are not remembered seems kind of alike... maybe its just a coincident.

Masterchief
September 19, 2008, 08:15 PM
that little speech or w.e is that from the bible? just asking. also I never really took gantz for a religious manga i mean if anything its far from that. Then again I dunna

Mr.Aaron
September 19, 2008, 10:47 PM
...

o_o;;

I don't think there is a religious manga... unless I'm wrong? I mean, Katou prays to God, but that doesn't make it religious.

gHZoDD
September 20, 2008, 12:27 AM
that little speech or w.e is that from the bible? just asking. also I never really took gantz for a religious manga i mean if anything its far from that. Then again I dunna
that's from the covers of the manga.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7329/gantzv01c01p000byz3.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7329/gantzv01c01p000byz3.jpg)

my guess would be a mass of 70+ point aliens being a part of the next hunt. And probably 5+ gantz teams joining forces.

i know the counter says 7+ days but there still could be a mission in between then to prep them i guess. rules are always changing that is.

staytough
September 20, 2008, 02:43 AM
that little speech or w.e is that from the bible? just asking. also I never really took gantz for a religious manga i mean if anything its far from that. Then again I dunna

o_O... woah!... srsly...
I'm not that much of a christian that I would quote something out of the bible in a gantz thread... or like ever quote the bible, especially on the internet.

Like gHZoDD said, it's from the manga.



I don't think there is a religious manga... unless I'm wrong? I mean, Katou prays to God, but that doesn't make it religious.

There are indications that gantz is going a little bit into the religious area with the german cult, the thing I quoted that was every time in the beginning of the gantz mangas and Nuris question if Katou belives in god.

Kozar927
September 21, 2008, 09:11 PM
I rly hope the catastrophe inst the end of the manga, but another story reformatting like the Buddha mission, I loved how gantz was always changing and I hope that happens again.

Masterchief
September 22, 2008, 01:23 AM
I dunna i guess in their eyes god seems like a god or somethin, then again that jsut brings back what someone said(warbandit?) that people dunt question what theyre told by a higher power.

Quetz
September 22, 2008, 02:11 AM
Has anyone questioned why the word is in german? The obvious reason is to point at the giant gantz-ball-cult that originated in germany, but maybe there's more to it than that?

Masterchief
September 22, 2008, 04:28 PM
well we cant really make much of an guess at that, we barely have any info. (btw. George mod powers? gratz:))

TheGenius
September 28, 2008, 06:18 PM
congrats Georges! Having been here in a while, so sorry if I was late!:amuse

But, for sure that there is going to be a mother-ship like fight. Probably merges of new teams, and Kei and Katou are going to lead the teams for unbestknowns reasons.

Masterchief
September 29, 2008, 12:10 AM
i dunna. I mean really i dont like the idea of merging teams, maybe it was good for one mission but I dunna i just dont.

kaliayev
September 29, 2008, 10:46 AM
gotta agree with chief. if oku were to do a joint mission again, it would be very similar to what we saw in osaka. tokyo team hangs back while crazy people from other regions show off their superior skills and weapons. all of a sudden, the latter fail and everything rests on the collective will of the tokyo team (minus nishi and hs). i'm more inclined to think it will be one beast hitting one area, while we see teams sequentially being pitted against it (the winning team gets pizza), or a large army dividing to take out strategically important regions, forcing each team to defend its turf. if the latter, a certain number of regions must be held in order for humanity to remain intact.

wait, george is a mod now...and in just three months? is that the fastest anyone's accomplished that on this site? does he get some sort of cookie as a reward?

TheGenius
September 30, 2008, 04:32 PM
Well I think the team thing was just an intro to the genre, we need fresh players and crazy characters, the room is a little full. Also, how can you fight a big scale was with micro teams? Katastrophe was meant to be very large, don't think it's isolated to simply a country, unless it get's completely destroyed.

Masterchief
October 01, 2008, 01:33 PM
ya well maybe i just dont like the idea of another 100 chapters of character development when theyre all gonna die anyway. I mean you cant introduce main characters this late in can you?

GAT-X252
October 01, 2008, 10:46 PM
Well...he can.

But it would be a pain the a*s, maybe he is not doing it because of that....is much easier to keep this characters.

TheGenius
October 02, 2008, 03:29 PM
We'd be losing a few chaps just babbling about a new character, the one that are here are very different and they all bring something different. He'd have to kill off a few to make room, which will happen if the manga goes at the 3rd phase.

Mr.Aaron
October 02, 2008, 06:35 PM
I'm thinking we will loose Suzuki soon...

I saw it in a dream...

But the same thing happened before the Osaka mission, for me at least.

Masterchief
October 02, 2008, 06:53 PM
you saw it in a dream wow. But ya its time for the old men to RIP or at least someone to RIP does anyone know how the clock works? and by clock i mean gantz timer

Mr.Aaron
October 02, 2008, 10:28 PM
I'm guessing it goes by seconds, considering that the number seems to be changing every panel.

KevinSephiroth
October 04, 2008, 02:44 PM
Yes as they roughly calculated the amount of time remaining 7 days 23 hours (687600) on the last panel of chapter 280 (684637 is displayed) .

You can see on page 12 (http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-chapter-280-page-12.html) 684901, on the next one (http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-chapter-280-page-13.html) 684819 (so 82 seconds have passed between these two pages) , but strangely, on the page 15 (http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-chapter-280-page-15.html) we can see the timer hasn't changed (still 684819 ) and finally on the last page (http://manga.bleachexile.com/gantz-chapter-280-page-17.html) we can see 684637 (so 182 seconds since the last panel wher we can see the timer)

SO,
we can guess Oku made a lil' mistake on one of the panel where he didn't update the timer, but it's clear it's meant to display time in seconds .

http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/10/04/08100409255459022572274.png

BTW, do died people age in Gantz ? Aside from redesign, it seems they all got older (especially Nishi) .

GAT-X252
October 04, 2008, 06:33 PM
We can't tell for sure...but IMO is just the new style that Oku uses.

Nishi looks older, but Kato (again IMO) looks of the same age or even younger...

KevinSephiroth
October 05, 2008, 02:25 PM
Well Kurono also looks older, because his cheeks have reduced greatly .
http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/10/05/08100509274559022577147.jpg

Masterchief
October 08, 2008, 06:27 PM
it happens with alot of mangas, where the artwork just gets incredibly better as they go along, but IMO it happens too gradually for you to notice. Also if its in seconds katou is incredibly good in math, which contradicts what he said at the start of the series but meh. I understand that katastrophe implies something big but really, does he have to introduce 6 teams add some character developement add some boss developement more character more boss repeat 2-3 times then end it.

Kozar927
October 08, 2008, 07:40 PM
I think that the change is gradual enough for it too look like ageing, but it prob. is just the change.

croissant
October 12, 2008, 05:10 AM
just a question about nishi.... you think he was around even before izumi came into gantz? i mean, how did he know about katastrophe. Im guessing he knows more than izumi, or its just izumi doesnt care about such things thats why he never says anything about it. Makes me wonder again why nishi is giving such info to them...

Masterchief
October 12, 2008, 08:14 AM
Im guessing izumi was there before nishi or at the same time as nishi, and maybe they were informed by some pro in the gantz room who died in a mission eventually, nishi seems to classify izumi as his leader but knowing his personality he would not let it be if he was in the gantz room longer. In a way telling them about katastrophe could have been seen as an answer to kurono's question that was asked at the end of the oni mission(if I remember right the question was about why people can see them now and why the time limit is up), but maybe it was just to stop their arguing.

KevinSephiroth
October 12, 2008, 06:57 PM
It is believed by many that nishi came to the room by november 99 , so this means the last mission of izumi (before he gets 100poins+ and choose freedom) , that explains why izumi couldn't remember him .

croissant
October 22, 2008, 10:41 PM
I think that izumi really wouldn't remember nishi because he was killed when he got into gantz. So any memories he had when he was still living would be intact, including the erased ones after he got out of gantz. Unlike kei, who was revived via the option menu, whatever memories he had before the oni mission, he would still remember..

now, about the katastrophe thing... i wonder who he was referring to about the person that researched the katastrophe. You think its izumi? Remember that nishi and izumi were talking about gantz teams in other countries so izumi for sure knows about the forum in the net that talks about gantz....

mecphistor
October 23, 2008, 09:01 AM
Remember that nishi and izumi were talking about gantz teams in other countries so izumi for sure knows about the forum in the net that talks about gantz....

Ya i agreed with you. And one more thing that i take concern here is the oni boss. I think that he is the one of the elemental sub boss too( likes the 2other). Due to I felt that his abilities just same as water element. He can transform in any kind of shape like water, he also cannot get injure like the water. That's what I think, any comments?

putopooche
November 16, 2008, 01:47 AM
whoa.. i thought the katastrophe is hour's not minutes..

Midzuno
February 23, 2009, 10:28 AM
What do we know about the Katastrophe?

1. It's going to be a nuclear war
2. It'll start in 2-3 days after the end of the Rome's mission
3. Between humans only or between humans and aliens?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_weapons), these are the countries with nuclear arsenal:

Number of nuclear warheads (active/total) by countries
Russia: 5,200 / 8,800
USA: 4,075 / 5,535
China: 160-400
France: <350
United Kingdom: >200
Israel: 100-200
India: 100-140
Pakistan: ~60
North Korea: 0-10

It seems to be similar to the Terminator-3's race against time to stop the nuclear war.

Maybe American or Russian Gantz teams know more about the Katastrophe...

Ruhina
February 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
The thing is... most of these countries doesn't have the need to fire at each other. And the other countries doesn't have the means to lauch the missiles any further than their closest neighbour. So a nuclear war is probably not very plausible.

philippe1403
February 23, 2009, 07:11 PM
What do we know about the Katastrophe?
1. It's going to be a nuclear war
2. It'll start in 2-3 days after the end of the Rome's mission
3. Between humans only or between humans and aliens?


Don't buy the shit Nishi is giving from himself.
The guy is 15 years old.
And there is no such info...
It is only a rumor between hunters.

cassaruby
February 23, 2009, 07:19 PM
The aliens could take form in nuclear warheads... boom?

kimizzle
February 23, 2009, 10:16 PM
Don't buy the shit Nishi is giving from himself.
The guy is 15 years old.
And there is no such info...
It is only a rumor between hunters.

Seriously, for all we know the Katastrophe is just a bunch of lies, and maybe Oku will get Gantz to run for another hundred chapters :p

Renan
February 23, 2009, 10:29 PM
Hopefully not. Let's just hope what Nishi says is true. There's really no way Gantz can recover from something like that. He could at least finish Kurono's story and make a new main character who is not related to Kurono and friends in any way.

El_Gustl
February 24, 2009, 01:59 AM
Seriously, for all we know the Katastrophe is just a bunch of lies, and maybe Oku will get Gantz to run for another hundred chapters

Whats the catastrophe counter for then....

dariusmg
February 24, 2009, 11:36 AM
I think author has some mathematical formula to calculate points :)
And about Catasrophe it is for sure the alien invasion and final mission can be just for best Gantz fighters. Oka suits are not so strong as I thought, its obviouse the then you look at first pages there half of oka is laying. I think the team of Chirosima can be the key to catastrophe and they can be moust advancet team in the world. The help Tokio team member, they have bike they know the situation. Maybe Chirosima nucliar bomb made them such helpfull, with such a strong soul and andvanced compared with other teams.
As for action in other place and boss its possible that its is so Roman dieties fighting more advanced gantzers.

Icesoul
February 26, 2009, 01:09 AM
SPOIL: :p
At the end of Katastrophy, Gantz system and almost gantzers will died.
But the world still alive..

Googlez_kun
February 26, 2009, 02:23 PM
SPOIL: :p
At the end of Katastrophy, Gantz system and almost gantzers will died.
But the world still alive..

even if it sounds kind of odd i think it could happen...
i could really see that coming
thanks!:)

Damura
February 27, 2009, 06:21 AM
Sounds gay. Too much crying implied.

Giriel
February 28, 2009, 04:22 AM
Jeez, this is the sickest mission i've ever seen. The swords don't work, the suits are as usefull as used toilet paper...
The guys are getting ripped to pieces. Oh god, WHY?!?

Renan
March 03, 2009, 03:05 PM
I think the final boss will be Gantz itself. You know it too, Gantz is an evil German mastermind.

Googlez_kun
March 03, 2009, 03:36 PM
I think the final boss will be Gantz itself. You know it too, Gantz is an evil German mastermind.

maybe it's hitler??
seriously!
maybe he only faked his death and hided himself in an undestroyable gantz ball...

that was the first thing i thought about when i read your post:amuse

Renan
March 03, 2009, 03:46 PM
No, not another Hitler post...My room, where's my room. Who's ther!? Kids, kids what are you doing!?

Revilenigma
March 09, 2009, 08:07 AM
i also think it has gotta be something involving Nazis lol.

BrazilianGantzer
June 12, 2009, 08:28 AM
I'm not sure if this sort of thread has come up already or not, but I do know that many people have different Katastrophe theories, and they're all very different from each other. Strangely enough, most of them are possible (especially because this is Gantz and, frankly, practically nothing we predict can be impossible) and have quite a big chance of happening.

I was wondering that, if we pooled together out Katastrophe theories here, we might be able to reach a logical conclusion and (maybe...) come up with something similar to what is really going to happen (although Oku has this habbit of surprising us no matter how sure we are of our predictions! :p )

Well, I might as well state my theories here.

The theory that is most likely, IMO is that it will be an all out alien invasion where all the hunters from all around the world will have to fight. They will fight bravely, but since Nishi mentioned the end of the world and nuclear war, I assume that they will not be able to stop the aliens and the governments (that by this point will know that something is wrong) will resort to using nuclear weapons in order to try to hold back the invasion.

Another theory I've had was that it would be an enormous hunt (like the Italy mission) but happening at many points around the globe at once. Hunters from nearby locations would be sent to the battle points (for example, Hunters from Argentina and Chile would be sent to Brazil and Canadian Gantz teams would be sent to the USA, etc...) When the battle is over, they'd be sent to the other closest battle point... This theory is sort of countered by the fact that the bombs in their heads disappeared. Still, the fact that the bomb disappeared could simply mean that the hunt will not have a "playing area".

Re-reading the Nuri arc, I read something that made me think: The big alien that comes out of the river and bullies Takeshi keeps saying "Give me back my land!". He does not stop repeating that. Those lines, with the fact that many, many aliens come out of the river out of the blue could mean that they were "taking their land back" and that (for some reason) humans had "taken their land". Maybe the "aliens" are early inhabitants of Earth and humans battled them and became the dominant species. The Gantz teams are there in order to keep them at bay. During Katastrophe they'd want their lands back and attack with a well planned scheme.

I dunno. These are my theories. What are yours?

GAT-X252
June 12, 2009, 10:07 AM
Those lines, with the fact that many, many aliens come out of the river out of the blue could mean that they were "taking their land back" and that (for some reason) humans had "taken their land". Maybe the "aliens" are early inhabitants of Earth and humans battled them and became the dominant species.

I have seen this theory before, let me explain the myth behind that "alien", well more precisely the japanese monster he took the form from.

The monster the Alien took the form from was Dorotabo (http://www.obakemono.com/obake/dorotabo/), you can read his info on the link...the thing about this monster is that he screams ordering to give his "rice field" back.

Because of this, i don't think his lines had any relevance to the mistery of the aliens, is just that this alien imitated aspects of the yokai itself...including his phrases.

According to the omake of the vol 23, the Osaka Aliens only took the appearance of Yokai, this could mean that their real form is different from what we have seen.

Hope this helps.

xInCasinoOutx
June 12, 2009, 05:44 PM
I'm inclined to agree somewhat with BrazilianGantzer.

I believe Katastrophe will be the unveiling of Gantz to the entire world, and Gantz will engage the aliens and attempt to destroy them all.

The aliens will then attack everyone on Earth, and the world will launch nukes globally in an effort to destroy the threat.

Follows Nishi's statement about "nuclear war."

BrazilianGantzer
June 13, 2009, 11:51 AM
That's exactly what I think!
I mean, why would Nishi (read: Oku) bring up the idea of Nuclear War in the first place if it was not going to have any importance to the story??

@GAT - Thanks for clearing up the confusion on that weird alien thing. :amuse Appreciate it.

xInCasinoOutx
June 13, 2009, 04:16 PM
I mean, why would Nishi (read: Oku) bring up the idea of Nuclear War in the first place if it was not going to have any importance to the story??


Either to throw us off completely, or to exemplify the brutal reality that is to come.

georgemarvin
June 14, 2009, 04:16 PM
My Katastrophe theory:

Since the old man we met at the end of issue 300, the "sage of darkness", is almost identical to Bill Gates, and the Gantz ball's software is failing, it might just be that the whole Gantz system crashed. The Katastrophe timer was like when your computer gets that screen that says it's going to shut down in 59 seconds, and you have to rush to try to save at least some of what you're working on. Katastrophe might just be an emergency shutdown of the balls' operating system, like the windows emergency shutdown.

In that case, when Nishi said "It's started", he was telling the absolute truth; Katastrophe actually began as soon as the ball's OS died. The Gantzers just don't realize it yet.

Since the Gantz balls have crashed, there isn't anything to stop the aliens from just running around causing havoc and mayhem. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is that the aliens haven't figured out that the Gantz balls are dead, but when they do, they can do whatever they want, with just the former Gantzers to stop them. And Gantz won't transfer them to where the aliens are rampaging; they will have to take a bus or taxi. It's likely that the aliens will already be gone before they even get there. Also, most of them won't risk their lives for total strangers. When a Gantzer gets hurt or dies, Gantz won't be there to fix them or rez them; the wounded will be even worse off than the dead. Broken backs, blinded eyes and missing legs can't be replaced anymore. Also, when the suits die, they'll stay dead.

The Bill Gates lookalike is probably working hard to make new Gantz balls to replace the old ones that crashed; that's what the factory is for. But he's running behind schedule, so it'll be a few months before the replacements are ready to ship.

When Katastrophe is over, the survivors will be surprised to learn that they will have to resume their Gantz careers.

It's even possible that some of the ones who die during Katastrophe will be brought back once Gantz reboots. After all, provided that the "hard drive" didn't crash, they should still be in his database.

staytough
June 16, 2009, 05:35 PM
My Katastrophe theory:

Since the old man we met at the end of issue 300, the "sage of darkness", is almost identical to Bill Gates, and the Gantz ball's software is failing, it might just be that the whole Gantz system crashed. The Katastrophe timer was like when your computer gets that screen that says it's going to shut down in 59 seconds, and you have to rush to try to save at least some of what you're working on. Katastrophe might just be an emergency shutdown of the balls' operating system, like the windows emergency shutdown.

In that case, when Nishi said "It's started", he was telling the absolute truth; Katastrophe actually began as soon as the ball's OS died. The Gantzers just don't realize it yet.

Since the Gantz balls have crashed, there isn't anything to stop the aliens from just running around causing havoc and mayhem. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is that the aliens haven't figured out that the Gantz balls are dead, but when they do, they can do whatever they want, with just the former Gantzers to stop them. And Gantz won't transfer them to where the aliens are rampaging; they will have to take a bus or taxi. It's likely that the aliens will already be gone before they even get there. Also, most of them won't risk their lives for total strangers. When a Gantzer gets hurt or dies, Gantz won't be there to fix them or rez them; the wounded will be even worse off than the dead. Broken backs, blinded eyes and missing legs can't be replaced anymore. Also, when the suits die, they'll stay dead.

The Bill Gates lookalike is probably working hard to make new Gantz balls to replace the old ones that crashed; that's what the factory is for. But he's running behind schedule, so it'll be a few months before the replacements are ready to ship.

When Katastrophe is over, the survivors will be surprised to learn that they will have to resume their Gantz careers.

It's even possible that some of the ones who die during Katastrophe will be brought back once Gantz reboots. After all, provided that the "hard drive" didn't crash, they should still be in his database.

good idea, but i think the real danger in Katastrophe is not coming from the Aliens but from the Gantzer who are no longer under the rules and control of Gantz.
They are free to do what they want and like Nishi said the people with the best arsenal are the ones who will live the longest.

Many Alines just live there lifes and don't just kill Humans if we look at Gantzs history I can't think of even one alien who started a fight without a reason, but the humans who are, like oku loves to show us, totaly immoral are going to be the real danger.

DawgX
June 16, 2009, 09:54 PM
Many Alines just live there lifes and don't just kill Humans if we look at Gantzs history I can't think of even one alien who started a fight without a reason, but the humans who are, like oku loves to show us, totaly immoral are going to be the real danger.

But that doesnt explain why that alien at the beginning of the Nuri mission attacked Takeshi. THe little kid didnt want to hurt anyone but the alien chased him down anyways to kill him.

D.Blue
June 17, 2009, 10:20 AM
I mean, why would Nishi (read: Oku) bring up the idea of Nuclear War in the first place if it was not going to have any importance to the story??

Nishi did that before, in the first mission: spiting random nonsense to confuse other members.

We all know Nishi shouldn't be trusted too much.:p

BrazilianGantzer
June 17, 2009, 01:26 PM
Nishi did that before, in the first mission: spiting random nonsense to confuse other members.

We all know Nishi shouldn't be trusted too much.:p

Yes, but he told them about Katastrophe 8 days before it wad going to happen. I don't really think that he was in the mood to mess with the Gantzers very much. Especially since he knew them for a while and, depending on what it is, would depend on them during the Katastrophe. They also saved his ass from Nuri during that mission.

I really don't think that he wanted to confuse or scare them at that moment.
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Many Alines just live there lifes and don't just kill Humans if we look at Gantzs history I can't think of even one alien who started a fight without a reason, but the humans who are, like oku loves to show us, totaly immoral are going to be the real danger.

The Nuri, Oni and Italy missions are more than examples of how the aliens attack civilians before the hunters even appear or present a threat.

It seems that the "weaker" aliens are peacefull whilst the stronger aliens just don't give a damn whether they attack civilians or not.

DawgX
June 17, 2009, 10:14 PM
@BrazilianGantzer: That would explain why, in the Nuri mission, a Gantzer was attacked and didnt provoke the alien in the first place.

Revilenigma
June 18, 2009, 07:15 AM
The Nuri, Oni and Italy missions are more than examples of how the aliens attack civilians before the hunters even appear or present a threat.

It seems that the "weaker" aliens are peacefull whilst the stronger aliens just don't give a damn whether they attack civilians or not.

The Oni is kinda different, the only one whoever attacked civilians was the boss, the rest of them left them alone. and don't forget the Ring Aliens.

cassaruby
June 18, 2009, 11:28 AM
Oku brought up nuclear war and the idea of alien invasion being the most probable event so you'd get stuck thinking about it and whatever he really plans happens.

I think it'll follow the story, and it also has to be a surprise, but we all expect a twist.

What could he do unexpected? He could follow through with the most probable event and change it up after the Kikuchi parts done. If Oku explains Gantz through Kikuchi, I would expect it to be a red herring.

So, it could be your theory, plus a twist, and I'd wager some parts will be different than they've been laid out to look.

In the up coming chapters it'll help to know how much control bill gates and the gamblers have over katastrophe (whoever has control/lack of control will define what can happen). but, I have no doubt whatsoever that Gantzers will end up in a battle for their lives, a final battle during katastrophe, dying left and right.

Mr.Aaron
June 18, 2009, 01:28 PM
What if Katastrophe is a nuclear warhead going off in major cities around the world, and the people who die during the bomb are all transfered[sp?] into multiple rooms, where they fight an unstoppable alien force even stronger than Italy?

xInCasinoOutx
June 18, 2009, 08:06 PM
What if Katastrophe is a nuclear warhead going off in major cities around the world, and the people who die during the bomb are all transfered[sp?] into multiple rooms, where they fight an unstoppable alien force even stronger than Italy?

Gantz suits wouldn't protect against radiation?
We haven't seen any missions in a small town; just huge cities.

BrazilianGantzer
June 19, 2009, 06:28 PM
But it's still very possible that there are Gantz balls in smaller towns.
Those sadistic people who bet on the sick "game" will probably want to see the games from all sorts of perspectives. That's probably why we have such a variety of types of Gantzers.

Black Lagoon
June 20, 2009, 05:36 AM
Yes, but he told them about Katastrophe 8 days before it wad going to happen. I don't really think that he was in the mood to mess with the Gantzers very much. Especially since he knew them for a while and, depending on what it is, would depend on them during the Katastrophe. They also saved his ass from Nuri during that mission.

I really don't think that he wanted to confuse or scare them at that moment.

alone he can't confront Katastrofe, IMO that why he tell them about it, so in fact to save his ass

xInCasinoOutx
June 21, 2009, 05:26 PM
But it's still very possible that there are Gantz balls in smaller towns.
Those sadistic people who bet on the sick "game" will probably want to see the games from all sorts of perspectives. That's probably why we have such a variety of types of Gantzers.

I assumed they picked the largest of cities because of population density.
The more people, the easier picking up people for a mission will be.

D.Blue
June 23, 2009, 08:38 AM
Here's what Nishi said:

"The hell? I'm being nice telling you guys. Whatever, you can believe me or not."

"Nuclear war. I's a strong possibility. I dunno for sure yet, but I can say this much."

A character talking bullsh*t is a cheap and somewhat effective way of manipulating the readers' expectations thus strenghtening the surprise factor by twisting it.