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Onomatopoeia
September 30, 2008, 04:58 PM
This image here (http://i56.tinypic.com/28u3cif.jpg) has always bothered me. Whats the monster of the Florian Triangle? And if so do you think we'll ever see it? It seems from the looks of it to be huge beyond belief, easily dwarfing an island sized ship. I would imagine that it took out the Rumble Pirates and possibly killed them. So what do you think it is? Will the strawhats ever meet it and why in the world didn't they meet it back on TB? I mean they traveled in the Florian Triangle for a while.

My personal bet is that it's based off it's based off the Kraken in greek mythology. It would work well and the image of it on the screen would fit with what we know...

Razh
September 30, 2008, 06:12 PM
Man, I totally forgot about that.
It's hard for me to imagine that it's something that won't come up sooner or later again.
And I also have trouble imagining anything other than something like Kraken. Probably looks weird, like any other sea creature in One Piece. :)

The thing that bothers me now is why did it leave Moria in peace for all that time. Strange.
Would anyone call me crazy if I said that the monster is an ally of Moria's?

kkck
September 30, 2008, 08:04 PM
Actually I think it wont come up later. I think that oda is going to leave it as a OP secret or mistery. Although it would be awesome if it turns out that thing is related to the lost century or it is one of the weapons from the past that the WG is looking for.

paradoxe
September 30, 2008, 09:12 PM
You mean the Florian Triangle Monster?

You should check out the thread in Arlong Park..they got some pretty crazy theories brewing down there, lol.

bittman
September 30, 2008, 09:20 PM
Well two things:
* Rumba pirates were taken out by poison arrows. Unless the squid-like-shadow can fire a tiny bow and arrow, not really.
* I believe it will remain a mystery for the same reason Oda never explored the other islands of skypeia. Where does One Piece exist? In your heart! *Sogeking smile*

Onomatopoeia
September 30, 2008, 09:48 PM
Hmm maybe it's Neptune/Poseidon now that I think of it. Remember the barrel at the beginning of the arc? It said something about a sea god and sacrifices, what if that thing is the sea god? Because Moria must have known about it from Perona, her radar thing includes miles theirs no way she could have missed it. Perhaps they were actually sacrifices to it?

paradoxe
September 30, 2008, 09:51 PM
You mean Poseidon as in the God, or Poseidon as in the weapon?

dsr
October 01, 2008, 02:36 AM
Good Ono, I was wondering about this monster-thingy just yesterday.
Nothing in OP is left without an answer.
I think he is one of Moria's allies.

Mr.Popo
October 01, 2008, 03:33 AM
This image here (http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000490/04.jpg) has always bothered me. Whats the monster of the Florian Triangle?That bother me too. Not so much the image itself, but more the text in the square boxes. It says that it is an an ancient mystery, older than Moria's arrival 10 years ago.

If it where just the shadow of that image it would't bother me, but with those text i bet that we will learn more about it in the future.

RobinotX
October 01, 2008, 03:36 AM
I also thinking what it was...

Maybe it's Jimbei (lol)

No probably an ally of Moria...
Probably we will know when we meet Lola's mum

kkck
October 01, 2008, 09:40 AM
If it is as ancient as it claims, then there is a high chance that it is poseidon (Not the actual god but the weapon). If poseidon and pluto are weapons like that thing I can see how it would be the end of the world if the WG gets them.
Also if you take a look at it, it doesnt nesesarily look like a living creature, it could easily be a machine.

DutchPhoenix
October 01, 2008, 05:16 PM
its the octopus from sky island

Onomatopoeia
October 01, 2008, 06:09 PM
Perhaps the ancient weapons were autonomous? As in could move on their own?

RobinotX
October 02, 2008, 04:54 AM
It would be cool if they can move by their selves.. maybe the SH get Poseidon as a second ship or somethnig like that xD

BlackHair
October 02, 2008, 06:21 AM
I'm pretty sure we will see it later, its Oda after all. He won't draw things unnecessary.

Maybe it was Hancocks ship, though it seems to be to big for it.. idk and i don't even wanne think about it, it could be everything.

bittman
October 02, 2008, 07:27 PM
I'm pretty sure we will see it later, its Oda after all. He won't draw things unnecessary.

Circular Rainbow.

Yabe
October 03, 2008, 05:42 AM
Could they be the Space Pirates (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-455/page001.html) Enel'd defeated in the cover story?
For their big size, could it be like how Masira and the SHs saw the shadow of the people from Skypiea (in this chapter (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/221/14-15/))?
Maybe those space pirates are very old compared to people on earth coz those creatures' basement Enel found looked like the ancient culture (link (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-472/page001.html)). Maybe Enel didn't kill all of them and with some machine they're flying somewhere above the place.

Haha... kinda far-fetched.. objections are welcome.

Akainu
October 03, 2008, 08:23 AM
Circular Rainbow.
how was that unnecessary? it even got an SBS question :darn

noot_das_schaf
October 03, 2008, 04:03 PM
i don't think that, what ever it was, is an ally of moria. it's seemed so freaking huge!!! i guess it would'nt even recognize moria if he dances on it's nose (if it has a nose..).

Onomatopoeia
October 03, 2008, 04:12 PM
So how did Moria dodge from getting murdered by that thing? It could crush his ship just by swiming

I feel this guy will be an Ancient Weapon. Nothing in OP is near the level of size...

bittman
October 05, 2008, 10:48 AM
You know, I always saw it as a reference to Loch Ness, Moby Dick, etc. It's not that Oda has drawn an 'unnecessary thing', but added to the mystery of the world.

BlackHair
October 09, 2008, 03:00 PM
About the circular rainbow, u can't put that on the same lvl of mystery as the thing in the mist. Unlike the rainbow (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/490/08/), it was (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/490/04/) more focused in the manga (panel 2-4) and it was even mentioned by the speech balloon.

Sachsenhesse
October 10, 2008, 09:16 AM
isnt it obvious?

http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000221/14-15.jpg

BlackHair
October 10, 2008, 09:46 AM
Those were shadows of skypians. The mist is to far away to reflect the shadow of SkyPia. It has to be sth different like a big sea king or sth.

Oblivion
October 11, 2008, 05:12 PM
and the skypian shadows dont have any sparkly things to them

Onomatopoeia
October 14, 2008, 01:29 AM
isnt it obvious?

http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000221/14-15.jpg

They really look nothing alike.

Bugzee
November 16, 2009, 05:17 PM
there'll always be a bigger fish lol

I think that monster is one of the biggest sea creatures in the GL and more specifically only found in the florian triangle (so far).

urlaub
November 18, 2009, 08:26 AM
I think it is Laboons mother that later on will play an important role. The other possibility is that it is Pandamans headquarters. He seems to have his spies everywhere were Luffy is.

acurabot
January 17, 2011, 07:32 AM
In episode 481, near the end, it seems that there are strange creatures hidden in the mist of the Florian Triangle. The narrator even says that it conceals a white figure. Any ideas on what they are? What the mystery is to disappearing ships?

trunterzx
January 17, 2011, 09:29 PM
how was that unnecessary? it even got an SBS question :darn

SBS question? Which Volume is the qn found in?

deffkryz
January 18, 2011, 02:39 PM
SBS question? Which Volume is the qn found in?
Oda told about the circular rainbow in the SBS of Chapter 498 in Volume 51 (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_51#Volume_51_-_Chapter_498_-_page_146).

scandalous'
January 18, 2011, 03:14 PM
Can someone please repost the page, the topic starters doesn't work anymore? Kind of forgot what this is about:P

Josl
January 18, 2011, 04:32 PM
Can someone please repost the page, the topic starters doesn't work anymore? Kind of forgot what this is about:P

It's about this "thing":
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v50/c490/4.html

trunterzx
January 18, 2011, 07:41 PM
Oda told about the circular rainbow in the SBS of Chapter 498 in Volume 51 (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_51#Volume_51_-_Chapter_498_-_page_146).

Ah I thought it was a question on these monsters and I didn't notice... I wonder why nobody asks Oda questions regarding these monsters. Or maybe even if they ask Oda wouldn't answer? But the fact that he won't answer will explain a lot of things...

deffkryz
January 19, 2011, 11:57 AM
Ah I thought it was a question on these monsters and I didn't notice... I wonder why nobody asks Oda questions regarding these monsters. Or maybe even if they ask Oda wouldn't answer? But the fact that he won't answer will explain a lot of things...
Who ever said that Oda isn't asked about them? He get's TONS of letters and every three months he takes a week to look out for the most interesting pieces that he can answer without revealing too much of the secret he could reuse anytime within the actual story... One Piece has been on Jump for about 14 years now... So how about readers would simply sit back and enjoy the show?

kkck
January 19, 2011, 12:59 PM
Oda is not really the type to leave things unanswered. Whatever that monster or whatnot was will likely be revealed in due time.

GomuGomuNoBigBoner
March 25, 2011, 02:01 AM
Hey there fellas, so lately I've come to re-read the epicness which is the robo big emperor (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2579-6/one-piece/chapter-472.html) and I got to remember there was this being in the fog (http://www.mangareader.net/103-2597-4/one-piece/chapter-490.html) mentioned by Lola right after the departure of the SH from thriller bark.
After checking the SBS to yon chapter I surprisingly didnt find anything in regard of it sooo..

I presume since no such question was raised in the SBS, Oda may has plans for it involving the story line, elsewise I see no reason to not leave it revealed - except, of course, he really wishes it to be a myth.

Looking at the page mentioned above (Ch. 490/P4) there's this speech bubble of lola stating how they escaped the grasp of shichibukai Kuma.
With the knowledge we have gathered so far, may I suggest Dragon might be the "entity"?

What made me think that is basically:
- We got to know that Kuma and Dragon had been allies and presumably still had relations going on at that moment, since Kuma still possessed his consciousness back then.
- Dragon as well as Kuma have both acted as a patron for luffy/the SH in those few occasions we know of.
- word of mouth says Dragon seems to have some kind of wind DF or stuff, explaining the silhouette of the entity which appears to be much more storm-like than some giant kraken thingy.
- this being provided, it offers an explanation for the entity not being discovered, albeit its size and albeit Moria taking use of persona's ghost-scouting-network.

sooo.. considering that the Florian Triangle is right before fishmand island and thinking of all those gargantuan sea creatures we got to see so far, I might be totally off the road.
What are your thoughts? Any theories? D'you think Oda will leave it untouched or is it intended to have a role the story someday?
cheers

*edit* thanks for moving, shud have checked more than just the initial post's date before i considered this thread dead :)) *

Anduren
March 25, 2011, 11:34 AM
There's actually 3 different interesting things that exist in close proximity in this part of the Grand Line: the Florian Triangle, the Tarai Current, and an island with a magnetic field underwater (Fishman Island) which has something to do with the Sunlight Tree Eve as well as the underwater currents that draw things near to the sea forest. It makes me think that these three things are related.

I kind of want to say that its also a really interesting turn of events that we find out that Fishman Island is now under Big Mom's protection. I'm making a lot of assumptions here but its very possible that the strawhats will run into Lola's group again so we may yet see an explanation about the "Florian Triangle Monster."

At least, we know that Oda plans to explain the magnetic field issue that deals with Fishman Island and beyond. And the Tarai Current, as well as the underwater current at the sea forest has been explained (though the details of what causes it hasn't) I don't like the idea of the strawhats backtracking and taking longer to get to the New World. But once they get to the New World, chances are.... they we will not be going back to the Florian Triangle again.

bobjackson
October 15, 2011, 11:05 PM
Well, now you know it's not a kraken, since we see one in the later manga... And it's a lot smaller

hyper_megaman
October 17, 2011, 09:23 PM
it could be the root cause of the florian triangle mist

why would there suddenly be an area where nothing can be seen? this could be this structure's defensive mechanism

Tonix
October 18, 2011, 02:47 PM
Could it have been Dragon? Maybe he has some giant mythical zoan and he was heading towards Thriller Bark because he sensed that Kuma had been there recently. I know there is really nothing to back this up, but crack pot theories are fun sometimes.

Foxdie
October 22, 2011, 05:01 AM
Maybe it's an imagination from Oda based on the story of Loch Ness Monster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness_Monster).. who knows?
But still I think it's a monster that belongs to the real Davy Jones (try this link for discussions (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/58699-Does-Davy-Jones-exist-in-One-Piece)).

GiantAlienHamster
December 09, 2011, 03:36 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned allready, but my guess is, that the Florian Triangle Monster is some sort of a weapon that belongs to the World Government. Maybe it is even linked to the downfall of the lost kingdom.
The World Government asked Flamingo to kill Moria. But Moria was loyal after all and they had allready lost Jimbei as one of the 7 S!
So why would they want Moria to be dead?
Maybe because he knew too much. He witnessed the monster in the Triangle and this might be a secret of the Government not even the Marine knows about. So they rather had him dead than revealing the truth about it.
Just my guess

modoki
December 13, 2011, 10:57 AM
it could be the root cause of the florian triangle mist

why would there suddenly be an area where nothing can be seen? this could be this structure's defensive mechanism

Perfectly said. I too would agree that the source of the mist could be used as a lure to draw in ships, and other related.
In addition, if you view the anime version regarding this scene, the structure is more visible to make other compared to the manga counterpart.
It appears as 3 attached pillars, with the center being the largest. The eyes opening could indicate it just woke up from sleep. Extremely difficult to make out what kind of creature it is. Most likely either a gigantic squid, a loch ness, or some new shape.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XiKdWDMyEY

Geez
December 13, 2011, 11:34 AM
^Your post made me realize that it could really be the ancient weapon Pluto.

First the "invisible part" is really interesting. When i checked wikipedia about Pluto's mythology I noticed the god could turn invisible at will (with a helmet). The created mist can symbolize that feature.
Besides, Pluto was known to have a three-headed dog Cerberus which makes me think of this three-parts "creature" from the florian triangle.

Now I will go further. Now that we know that people can be Ancient Weapons (last chapter), we can assume that special people can trigger these weapons. Imo there's a third ancient weapon named Zeus (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/65927-Gorousei-s-emblem?highlight=) (or an equal god) which can only be turned on by Enel. If Pluto is similar, the best candidate i see to ride it is BlackBeard... Why him?

=> All the fuss about his flag (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100621050843/onepiece/images/a/a3/Blackbeardcrew.png)and personality (http://www.tenmangas.com/chapter/OnePiece225/175239-16.html) makes wonder a lot of people if he has the Cerberus demon fruit, which could be an hint. Furthermore the ancient weapon Pluto was known to destroy island... just like BB. The only reason i see for him not to be the Key is that Pluto could have been created to counter that kind of monstrous multi-powered freaks!

I know it is far-fetched :p

kkck
December 13, 2011, 04:38 PM
I guess it is plausible for the florian triangle monster to be the actual pluto that went missing. Considering the theme of the arc (underworld, death, Halloween and so on) it would make sense if pluto was hidden there. Perhaps the actual form of whatever we saw would be mechanical in nature once the mist element is removed. I don't think moria knew of the creature nor that was the reason for his disposal though. If the world government knew where pluto was they would definitely utilize and risk every resource they have to get it. I don't think moria ever even knew about the creature seen at the end.

It would make sense if Zeus was also an ancient weapon though. The three most powerful gods of the roman/greek mythology would be neptune, zeus and poseidon so it would fit perfectly. Zeus is the greek name though, the actual name within this context would be jupiter. Now, at this point I would argue zeus/jupiter would actually be enel. Zeus as far as I know is also the god of thunder. Enel has a fruit that is in itself power, the applications his fruit has are esentially limitless. Enel himself was not even that strong and yet he was capable of destroying islands on his own.... He seemed to control storms too so it makes way too much sense. In this regard we have an actual machine being a weapon, a princess who controls the oceans and a guy who controls the heavens. Perhaps enel's true worth would not rely on him as a warrior but rather on him as a power source. A technologically advanced civilization with basically a limitless amount of energy through enel would be incredible.

modoki
December 13, 2011, 08:37 PM
Highly doubt it.
Pluton had prints so i assume the surface people during the void century obv built and hidden it from the wg.
If the pluton could destroy islands then maybe the battleship is almost the size of an island.

FaustXIII
March 10, 2013, 05:04 AM
Florian Triangle Monster
-It's Shen Long

Kaiten
March 10, 2013, 12:16 PM
lol it was Thriller Bark. Ships were disappearing in the Florian Triangle because Gecko Moriah was ambushing them. The picture in the OP were the three masts of Thriller Bark, obscured by fog.

Akainu
March 10, 2013, 12:26 PM
really? seems like a weird choice to have TB sailing in the foreground and the three things in the background obscured by the mist. even more so with the sparkling eyes or whatever it is. altogether sea kings still make more of an explanation to me