Team kakashi vs Hachibi

[Csdabest]

Naruto(HM power availble. no tails)
Kakashi
Sai
Sakura

vs

Kirabi(As seen)

battles takes in cloud territory.

Who wins

[kkck]

I dont think team kakashi has the appropiate tools to deal with kirabi. Hermit mode will give naruto the power to deal with kirabi in most of his tailed forms but once he transforms h naruto will be powerless.
MS will give kakashi an edge and a fighting chance againts the full thing but if he isnt fast enough, kirabi kills him.
Sai and sakura would be able to do a thing to kirabi in any form. I am 99.99% sure he can take sakura's punches.
Overall kirabi wins, unless naruto uses the power of kyubi, which of course this thread does not allow.

[Shaunlim]

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Sai and sakura would be able to do a thing to kirabi in any form. I am 99.99% sure he can take sakura's punches.


Sakura's punches are way stronger than Juugo's btw.

1. About this fight, if Hachibi manages to get full form, they are all pretty much dead unless Kakashi somehow manages to Kamui Hachibi's head.

2. IMO, Team 7 is capable of holding off Hachibi even when he starts to use his transformation. With Naruto's senjutsu(which we are about to know now) and frog-fu(which we are about to see soon) and Sennin mode which we know about, Naruto and gang can probably take on Hachibi in cloak.

[kkck]

Sakura having stronger punches than jugo is highly questionable, I think that jugo's transformation give him more strenth than what sakura has. And even if he can't take them, the punches would only work if they connect, which his encounter with hawk proved that is a highly dificult thing to do.

Kirabi proved he could deal with several fast oponents at once in his encounter with hawk. I just dont see sakura being able to keep up with kirabi.

Sai would have a considerably higher chance of hitting kirabi than sakura considering he has a higher overall level and a long range stile, but I still dont see him getting any further than what suigetsu or jugo did.

[Shaunlim]

It's true connecting the punches would be a hassle but I do truly believe that Sakura's punches are stronger than Juugo. Though, I see the possibility of Sai using his snakes to hold Hachibi down.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I think Team 7 might end up losing, it all depend on how strong Naruto have gotten since he start his training, but i'm a 100% sure they will do better than Taka did.

[kkck]

I dont think sai's snakes would hold down kirabi, or at the very least they would hold him for a moment. Kirabi proved he has super strenth during his fight. He stopped suigetsu's sword with his bare hands and took jugo's punch and he didnt apear to make an effort at all. The posibility of kirabi actually being stronger than sakura is very high IMO.

[Shaunlim]

True, Kirabi might be stronger in sense of endurance(defending an attack) but we have not really seen Kirabi making the earth split with a single punch like Sakura did. But frankly, I don't really see her fighting. More to what Karin did in battle. To heal =/

[Forever_Melody]

This mostly depends whether or not Killerbee will manage to reach his Bijyuu transformation. If he can, then he should be able to win.

On the other hand...if he becomes unable to for whatever reason(lack of the time necessary to transform for example), then Team Kakashi stands a chance. Without his Bijyuu, Killerbee has shown that he is strong, fast, has a nifty sword style and Raiton chakra flow.

I believe Team Kakashi would be able to handle Killerbee with no.8 All Kakashi needs is a chance to charge his MS while the others occupy Killerbee. For example, Naruto could just spam KB and get them killed. With the added boost of Senjutsu, he should have no trouble spamming KB like there's no tomorrow (he already could technically without Senjutsu lol :p). Killerbee doesn't possess Sharingan, therefore attacks coming from multiple angles do put him at a disadvantage. We've seen taht 3 attackers from Taka were still able to land one hit from Juugo, so 3 attackers from Konoha(with the potential extra KB to help) should also be sufficient to land a hit on Killerbee, and unlike Juugo's punch, the hit Team Kakashi can deliver may prove very damaging(FRS or Kakashi's Kamui).

[kkck]

I dont think fighting kirabi in a stamina fight is such a good idea though. Kirabi probably has as much stamina as naruto.
I also dont see why he wouldnt be able to complete his transformation. When he used it, it didnt seem to take a long time. Maybe if kakashi has one of those pieces of paper jiraiya gave him he could stall the transformation and do something againts him.
I still think is will be hard for team Kakashi, IMO kirabi is one of the strongest guys ever shown in the manga, easily top ten.

[Forever_Melody]

Well aside form his Bijyuu controlling powers, Killerbee's prowess has not blasted me away really. He has s nifty sword style, that much is true. To be able to counter the Sharingan's predictive abilities is a very powerful asset and to be able to supplement that asset with jutsus such as Raiton chakra flow is also great.

But aside from that, Killerbee doesn't strike me as particularly strong. He is very resistant though I'll give him that. He took one of Juugo's CS2 punches in the head AND one of Sasuke's Chidoris to the gut and was still battle ready.

But really, his prowess at controlling his Bijyuu is what makes him standout. As a standalone shinobi, he is very good, but nothing spectacular compared to some other people IMO. He's basically a Kimimaro type fighter. Very good at close range with supplementary techniques for improving his close/mid range.

Anyways, back to topic. While I agree it wouldn't be necessarily easy, 3v1 are always bad numbers. Killerbee has not shown anything in his normal state capable of handling more than one opponent.

[Shaunlim]

I dunno Kirabi seems more to be on my top 5 list. But if he doesn't get to go full form in time, I can see Team Kakashi winning. But if he does, then it's pretty much over unless Naruto can use a cho oodama rasengan/FRS which might be able to hurt him.

[kkck]

Well aside form his Bijyuu controlling powers, Killerbee's prowess has not blasted me away really. He has s nifty sword style, that much is true. To be able to counter the Sharingan's predictive abilities is a very powerful asset and to be able to supplement that asset with jutsus such as Raiton chakra flow is also great.

But aside from that, Killerbee doesn't strike me as particularly strong. He is very resistant though I'll give him that. He took one of Juugo's CS2 punches in the head AND one of Sasuke's Chidoris to the gut and was still battle ready.

But really, his prowess at controlling his Bijyuu is what makes him standout. As a standalone shinobi, he is very good, but nothing spectacular compared to some other people IMO. He's basically a Kimimaro type fighter. Very good at close range with supplementary techniques for improving his close/mid range.

Anyways, back to topic. While I agree it wouldn't be necessarily easy, 3v1 are always bad numbers. Killerbee has not shown anything in his normal state capable of handling more than one opponent.

I beg to differ. Here kirabi is seen handling jugo, suigetsu and sasuke. He fought the three of them head on and he doesnt even appear on the defending side.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/013/
Also sasuke, statwise, has a 4.5 speed, yet kirabi is easily able to manhandle him. Considering that and the fact that he is able to handle the combined attack of sasuke, suigetsu and jugo at the same time, I would he is one of the fastest dudes shown so far.

I am going to do a quick analisis of what kirabi has shown(please feel free to correct me though):
Speed and unpredictability.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/411/18/
Kirabi is one of the first ones to actually overcome the predicting ability of the sharingan. He stabed sasuke with little apparent effort.

Stupidly high resistance, strenth, and stamina.
Here we can see kirabi taking one of jugo's punches.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/005/
if you look at the top panels you can see jugo used his rocket boost thing to punch him, the same technque he used to do this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/412/015/
He took jugo's first rocket punch and the guy didnt even seem hurt.
As further evidence of his speed and strenth we have this:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/06/
He took suigetsu's sword attack without much effort and even had suigetsu on the defending side.
IMO suigetsu has to be very fast since being a prodigy in the art of murder means that he has to be able to kill his oponents very fast. I wouldnt be surprise if he is as fast as lee or neji. Yet kirabi took his attack head on like f suigetsu was a measly gennin. And all that without transforming.

[Raizen]

IMO, team kakashi can win

Team kakashi has worked with each other b4 and thus knows how to complement each other's strength. Taka is new and thus their teamwork is not that great. I think in human form, hachibi would get screwed. Kakashi is at least sasuke's level, and the we have senjutsu naruto, and sai's ink which he can use to surround the enemy, and sakura for the high blows and healing

Now, if hachibi transforms, it would be like taka vs killerbee. kakashi's MS would send hachibi away. he has not displayed great speed in this form. The team just has to keep him busy and kakashi uses MS and wins

[Forever_Melody]

Don't get me wrong, Killerbee is really strong, but from what he's shown, really his Bijyuu is the only thing I could see that would win it for him.

Killerbee is very fast, that much I acknowledge. He got punched by Juugo and a second later was behind a rock a few dozen meters away.

He is also very resilient, being able to handle a kick from Sasuke without flinching, a punch from Juugo without much damage and a Chidori from Sasuke with seemingly little damage. That much shows an immense level of physical endurance from him.

The thing is, while being very strong on the defensive side, his offense(aside from his Bijyuu once again) has not blown me away. He has a very good sword style and some good ninjutsu to back it up(i.e Raiton chakra flow, btw can anyone confirm if it's a Chidori in nature like Sasuke's?). He also seems to have displayed some level of super strength since he was able to stop Suigetsu's Zanbato and dispose of Juugo with ease.

But really, his offense is limited to that in his normal form. I agree taht he is able to fend off multiple attackers as kkck showed, but he hasn't shown any offensive capacities in his regular form capable to dealing with multiple attackers so the best we can assume for now is that he could fend off for himself against 3 on 1, not that he could win necessarily. And actually, that would be what team Kakashi would need, 3 on 1 to distract Killerbee while Kakashi or someone prepares a 1 hit KO. If Killerbee were to be distracted, he wouldn't transform and he'd be vulnerable to a one hit KO move such as Kamui or FRS.

Mind you, this isn't a guaranteed scenario, but it does seem favorable for Team Kakashi. Would really take some effort for both sides to win IMO, but I often tend to lean for the side which has more numbers, simply because it favors them.

[kkck]

^To be fair, kirabi didnt fought seriously againts hawk, even if he got carried away. As for his offensive capacities, I would dare to say it is of the big ones around. We can agree in that kirabi has some level of super strenth, which means that one of his punches will hurt big time. Also it is not like we saw killerbee's normal offensive capacities at 100%, overall in his normal form he attack once (and he almost killed sasuke, hell that is 100% efficiency). I dont really understand what you mean about limited, unless you mean that we didnt see all of it.
Team kakashis best chance is kakashi's MS. Naruto with hermit mode can be dealt with a tailed form. Sakura doesnt have the exceptional speed she would need to land a punch of kirabi, she can be dealt with easily. Sai can also be dealt with easily but he could be a good support at long range.
IMO team kakashi would get just get a little further than what hawk did but in the end it would be the same result (except for amaterasu of course, which means kirabi wins).

[Shaunlim]

^ Well Amateratsu can easily be replaced with Kamui. If aimed correctly, it's instat death of Hachibi. All Team 7 have to do is buy Kakashi some time. Though I do agree that we probably haven't seen everything from Hachibi yet. I reckon that he still have a few more jutsus here and there.

[Forever_Melody]

Well, I agree that we haven't seen everything from him, but we cannot assume more than we have seen. Technically, what we've seen basically is what is for now.

And we shouldn't use the argument that Killerbee wasn't fighting at 100%, because we cannot benchmark what he would be at 100%, therefore, once again, what we see is what we're working on.

What I mean by limited is that in no way Killerbee has shown me that he is that strong. For example, his limit is short range. Excluding his Bijyuu transformation, all his powers are limited to being close to the opponent to work(even his tailed form was shown to be a basic boost to his physical prowess). If say, he were matched with Deidara, nothing short of his transformation would make him stand a chance from what we've witnessed. In that sense, Killerbee is as limited as any other close/mid range fighter such as Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura or Neji.

Mind you, this isn't as much an issue in this fight seeing as all his opponents are close/mid range types.

The main question to me is if Killerbee will be able to transform or not during the course of this battle. I will not dispute Taka vs Team Kakashi, but if Killerbee doesn't get a chance to transform, then his chances just went down. But really, it's somewhat early to judge since Killerbee has yet to show us everything IMO and Naruto's Sage mode hasn't even been fully developed and people are using it in threads >_>

[Raizen]

IMO killerbee got the end of the short stick in the battle of him vs taka. He was so badass and strong at the beginning but then was done in by one jutsu. Thus it leads others to think that Kakashi can do the same w/ his won MS jutsu.

[Stop]

IMO killerbee got the end of the short stick in the battle of him vs taka. He was so badass and strong at the beginning but then was done in by one jutsu. Thus it leads others to think that Kakashi can do the same w/ his won MS jutsu.

Yeah he's just asking to get hit if he transforms now that I think about it I think it was reasonable that he got beat by sasuke

[Kyuubinoyoko]

^To be fair, kirabi didnt fought seriously againts hawk, even if he got carried away. As for his offensive capacities, I would dare to say it is of the big ones around. We can agree in that kirabi has some level of super strenth, which means that one of his punches will hurt big time. Also it is not like we saw killerbee's normal offensive capacities at 100%, overall in his normal form he attack once (and he almost killed sasuke, hell that is 100% efficiency). I dont really understand what you mean about limited, unless you mean that we didnt see all of it.
Team kakashis best chance is kakashi's MS. Naruto with hermit mode can be dealt with a tailed form. Sakura doesnt have the exceptional speed she would need to land a punch of kirabi, she can be dealt with easily. Sai can also be dealt with easily but he could be a good support at long range.
IMO team kakashi would get just get a little further than what hawk did but in the end it would be the same result (except for amaterasu of course, which means kirabi wins).

After seeing Narutos Sennin Mode i'de have to say his strength is equal to if not far greater than Killer Bee's. Hes also recieved massive increases in chakra control, speed, and his senses are enhanced far beyond normal shinobi, and his tolerance for damage is off the charts(that punch that ripped sasuke chest open probably wouldnt even faze Sennin Naruto that much let alone cause bleeding). Brute strength isnt a problem and with his advanced sage kage bunshin (and his advanced frog fu and frog katas)speed really doesnt matter when you can spam massive oodama sage rasengans and rasenshurikens. Naruto can go head to head with Killer Bee by himself.

Kakashis mangeykyou makes this fight even less fare for Killer Bee. Naruto in sennin mode can have a one on one with killer bee and catch him with a kage bunshin then give the ok for kakashis Kamui MS and end the game. Just one scenario. But in a high level fight like this anything can happen.

Killer bee can take on kakashi individually and obliterate him(highly likely). But when you combine him with Sennin Naruto and sakura(really just there for support) things get a little rough. Killer Bee is massively strong and i really like him as a character(he owned sasuke and his team over and over again and was only playing around) mostly due to Narutos mastering the sennin arts, i attribute the victory to Team kakashi.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

I think Team 7 might end up losing, it all depend on how strong Naruto have gotten since he start his training, but i'm a 100% sure they will do better than Taka did.

Ok, change that to a win for team Kakashi. With what Naruto have shown so far with Sage Mode, Team 7 should win this match.

[Csdabest]

Team kakashi takes it. They just have more heavy hitters. Karin is useless while Kakashi has kakashi naruto, sai and sakura.

[kkck]

After seeing Narutos Sennin Mode i'de have to say his strength is equal to if not far greater than Killer Bee's. Hes also recieved massive increases in chakra control, speed, and his senses are enhanced far beyond normal shinobi, and his tolerance for damage is off the charts(that punch that ripped sasuke chest open probably wouldnt even faze Sennin Naruto that much let alone cause bleeding). Brute strength isnt a problem and with his advanced sage kage bunshin (and his advanced frog fu and frog katas)speed really doesnt matter when you can spam massive oodama sage rasengans and rasenshurikens. Naruto can go head to head with Killer Bee by himself.

Kakashis mangeykyou makes this fight even less fare for Killer Bee. Naruto in sennin mode can have a one on one with killer bee and catch him with a kage bunshin then give the ok for kakashis Kamui MS and end the game. Just one scenario. But in a high level fight like this anything can happen.

Killer bee can take on kakashi individually and obliterate him(highly likely). But when you combine him with Sennin Naruto and sakura(really just there for support) things get a little rough. Killer Bee is massively strong and i really like him as a character(he owned sasuke and his team over and over again and was only playing around) mostly due to Narutos mastering the sennin arts, i attribute the victory to Team kakashi.

You do realise that that post is several months old, and my views might have change since that lol?

Personaly I think that HM naruto would be able to handle kirabi with not much problem, although that might change as kirabi gets more tails and finaly transforms into the full beast.

If kirabi doesnt transform I see naruto winning but after the transformation is complete I can't even imagine how the battle would go. Naruto is a beast, he is even able to beat bunta sized summons on his own, but I have no idea of how odama rasengans or FRS would affect the eight tail beast. It is even hard to imagine lol. I guess once the transformation is complete kirabi would defeat naruto since he transformed into a beast which is inherently superior in power, strenth, chakra and who knows what else to a human. Kirabi even maintains his inteligence and given his good relationship with his biju naruto would be fighting 2 inteligent being in one at the same time.

[Shaunlim]

You do realise that that post is several months old, and my views might have change since that lol?

Personaly I think that HM naruto would be able to handle kirabi with not much problem, although that might change as kirabi gets more tails and finaly transforms into the full beast.

If kirabi doesnt transform I see naruto winning but after the transformation is complete I can't even imagine how the battle would go. Naruto is a beast, he is even able to beat bunta sized summons on his own, but I have no idea of how odama rasengans or FRS would affect the eight tail beast. It is even hard to imagine lol. I guess once the transformation is complete kirabi would defeat naruto since he transformed into a beast which is inherently superior in power, strenth, chakra and who knows what else to a human. Kirabi even maintains his inteligence and given his good relationship with his biju naruto would be fighting 2 inteligent being in one at the same time.

Well if Hachibi even in full form were to be hit with Cho Oodama, I'm pretty sure he would be hurt rather badly. On a side note, if he is really hit by FRS(considering his size, it would be rather easy to hit him unless he can move fast), he is pretty much dead unless there is some other type of kawamiri of sorts that he can use.

He ain't going to be able to survive it via the Amateratsu method. Amateratsu doesn't kill a person straight away when hit, since it slowly spread and burns while FRS simply cuts people in two and grind the top part to dust.

[Raizen]

I think if hachibi were to transform, then he is as good as dead. Naruto has the FRS which either kills or completely paralyzed while kakshi got insta kill kamui. From the take fight, transformed hachibi does not seem fast at all so these atatck would take him out

As for him in his normal form with tails and such, naruto alone can go toe to toe with him in SM

[roma]

an exhausted naruto without tails even managed to take on a fully transformed ichibi granted he's had the help of bunta and a little borrowed chakra from kyuubi. so even if hachibi is more powerful than ichibi, with the strength naruto has shown in his SM and kakashi's sharingan and MS plus support form sakura and sai, i'll give this fight to them.

[Kusachu]

Anyone who says Team Kakashi would lose be damned. Do you realize what it would mean? It would mean that Sasuke is better than Kakashi, Karin is better than Sakura, and Suigetsu and Juugo are better than Naruto and Sai. Shame. <__<

First off, Kakashi would probably start off the fight rather than stand back to gadge his opponant. He'd have Naruto as his assist. Naruto's Shadow Clones could handle ANY of the attacks that Sasuke, Juugo and Suigetsu had to sustain to learn about Kirabi's power. Sakura has one up on Karin because not only can she heal, but she can also fight. She does lose points for not being able to heal people as quickly as Karin though. Then again, Naruto in sage mode heals himself pretty well. He also has the use of frogs, and Kakshi has his hounds. Sai...well, I don't know if Sai has the ideal set of abilities to counter Kirabi's attacks, but if his ink jutsu couldn't be of much assistance, he could always just be off to the side Like Karin was the whole fight. *shrug* Then again, Sai can areal attack and fight long range. He could be really useful in combos with the other characters (unlike Karin), especially if Kirabi went Octo-Bull on them.

Team Kakashi FTW.

[Raizen]

Naruto alone would give hachibi a run for his money. FRS and SM is a dangerous combo especially since hachibi has not ability like pein to cancel out powerful attacks

Add in kakashi with kamui and bye-bye-bye

[Delbi]

This isn't even a contest. Given Naruto and Kakashi's offensive capabilities and intelligence alone Killerbee would be fucked.

Not to mention they have Sakura to patch them up if they get hurt, and Sai really isn't useless either.

It's 4 on 1, and unlike when Hawk fought Killerbee, Team 7's teamwork and abilities are more suited to fight someone like Killerbee.

[kkck]

I still have my doubts about team 7 being able to take out the full beast though. Granted that MS and sage mode naruto stand a chance of dealing some damage (specially kakashi with his kamui given that bent space is not something you can really block and affects everything all the same) but we are still speaking of one of the strongest bijus. The hachibi in terms of strength and chakra should be more than immensely superior to any member of team 7. Also because hachibi didnt show feats of speed doesnt mean he is slow, he didnt really need to use any speed attacks againts hawk, so it us very likely that when being serious he can be really fast(massive amounts of chakra should also vouch for this). For the time being I give this one to hachibi.

[Raizen]

I still have my doubts about team 7 being able to take out the full beast though. Granted that MS and sage mode naruto stand a chance of dealing some damage (specially kakashi with his kamui given that bent space is not something you can really block and affects everything all the same) but we are still speaking of one of the strongest bijus. The hachibi in terms of strength and chakra should be more than immensely superior to any member of team 7. Also because hachibi didnt show feats of speed doesnt mean he is slow, he didnt really need to use any speed attacks againts hawk, so it us very likely that when being serious he can be really fast(massive amounts of chakra should also vouch for this). For the time being I give this one to hachibi.
Hachibi is an ox, most ox fight in a straight forward attack. To me I don't think that hachibi is fast in his full form. But lets say for argument sake he is on a speed comaprable to bunta. So waht. He attacks in a straight line. Naruto fires FRS and he would be down

To me in this fight, transforming into full mode would be a disadvantage to hachibi. I like him but he would be owned

[kkck]

Hachibi is an ox, most ox fight in a straight forward attack. To me I don't think that hachibi is fast in his full form. But lets say for argument sake he is on a speed comaprable to bunta. So waht. He attacks in a straight line. Naruto fires FRS and he would be down

To me in this fight, transforming into full mode would be a disadvantage to hachibi. I like him but he would be owned

I don think it will be that easy though. Sure, transforming into the beast turns hachibi into a giant bullseye in a way, but he also gains a bunch of other stuff ti make up for it. Lets face it, once kirabi fully transforms, it will be absolutely imposible for team sever to fight directly, they will be forced to rely of on long range attacks. That means sakura in the fight, sai hasn shown any attack which would be usefull againts hachibi, and over half the stuff naruto and kakashi can do will be rendered useless. In other words the only posible tolls that would posibly have any effect at all would be FRS and Kamui.

COnsidering the only two jutsu which would posibly have any effect at all would be MS and FRS, lets analise how the battle could go:

With Kamui: We saw how it worked againts deidara and pein. for the attack to work, it would have to be of even greater proportions to the one kakashi used againts deidara meaning kakashis use of it will be limited, perhabs to the point were just one shot is posible. Now, given that it takes a while for it to work and for the target to feel the full effect, it is very posible hachibi can move out of the way. Another counter could be what three tail naruto did, just swing an arm and create a shockwave. And if nothing works, just throw a kamehameha and obliterate everything.

FRS: Unlike MS jutsu, hachibi WILL see this coming. That gives him the oportunity to dodge, or counter with any other jutsu kirabi has. Worst case scenario hachibi aims a blast to the FRS and which would by all means overpower it.

[Raizen]

Sai could use ink to blind hachibi LOL

Sakura can throw boulders :D

Kakashi's kamui has shown to be extremely quick now and hachibi hasn't

Naruto has summons, his odama, ultaime rasengan, etc. As for FRS being overpowered, i really don't see that. I think FRS is one of teh most powerful attack there is.
hachibi has not shown speed nor do i think he has any. IMO when a jinjuuriki fully transforms, they turn all defense to offense (except for the 9-tails)

[kkck]

Sai could use ink to blind hachibi LOL

Sakura can throw boulders :D

Kakashi's kamui has shown to be extremely quick now and hachibi hasn't

Naruto has summons, his odama, ultaime rasengan, etc. As for FRS being overpowered, i really don't see that. I think FRS is one of teh most powerful attack there is.
hachibi has not shown speed nor do i think he has any. IMO when a jinjuuriki fully transforms, they turn all defense to offense (except for the 9-tails)

If biju could be defeated so easily they wouldnt be regarded as ultimate war weapons lol.

Boulders? If it were mountains it could work lol

Can the ink creatures even handle being close to hachibi in full form? That probably in itself is a foul chakra...

I do think the sheer amount of power hachibis blast has is more than enough to overpower FRS.. Hell, I think even 4tailed naruto could overpower it with his own blast...

Summons would do squad, bunta was not able to fight even close to gaaras biju level, and clearly hahcibi is much much MUCH more powerful than that.

As for the speed, I doubt it is as you say. A biju is a massive formation of chakra, i doubt it cannot use it to move faster. It is posible that hachibi lacks agility (given its built) but I seriously doubt it lacks speed at all.

[DarkManSharingan32]

It's amazing... a whole ninja village gets razed by the Kyuubi.
And Four ninja can take out the Hachibii?
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If this is true, these two generations arre VAAASTLY ahead in terms of strength and skill.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

It's amazing... a whole ninja village gets raised by the Kyuubi.
And Four ninja can take out the Hachibii?
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If this is true, these two generations arre VAAASTLY ahead in terms of strength and skill.

May i remind you that one ninja took out the Kyuubi? I guess you chose to ignore that.

And may i remind you so far that it only takes one Aka to take out most of the Jinchuurikis so far?

[DarkManSharingan32]

May i remind you that one ninja took out the Kyuubi? I guess you chose to ignore that.

On the back of hundreds if not thousands of sacrifices, and his own life.

Yeah, you're right... just one guy

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

On the back of hundreds if not thousands of sacrifices, and his own life.

Yeah, you're right... just one guy

I know i'm right, you don't have to tell me. Minato took out the kyuubi(arguably the strongest). It doesn't matter that he's dead(or that many Konoha died before he arrived at the battle field), the fact still remain that he took it out.

[kkck]

May i remind you that one ninja took out the Kyuubi? I guess you chose to ignore that.

And may i remind you so far that it only takes one Aka to take out most of the Jinchuurikis so far?

Actually we dont know the circumstances behind that... We do know though that the kyubi could have destroyed the village and thousands and thousands of ninjas would not have been able to stop it if it wasnt for the fourth. We also do know the fourth wasnt alone, he had bunta with him. Also, the fourth did not directly defeat kyubi, he sealed it. If he could have defeated the kyubi on a direct confrontation he probably would have done it instead of giving his life to just seal it.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Actually we dont know the circumstances behind that... We do know though that the kyubi could have destroyed the village and thousands and thousands of ninjas would not have been able to stop it if it wasnt for the fourth. We also do know the fourth wasnt alone, he had bunta with him. Also, the fourth did not directly defeat kyubi, he sealed it. If he could have defeated the kyubi on a direct confrontation he probably would have done it instead of giving his life to just seal it.

Bunta is a "tool" for Minato, so i don't exactly see what you getting at with that. Also it doesn't matter how he defeated it, fact is he defeated it. Yeah it claims his life, but that doesn't dispute the fact that he defeated it.

[kkck]

Bunta is a "tool" for Minato, so i don't exactly see what you getting at with that. Also it doesn't matter how he defeated it, fact is he defeated it. Yeah it claims his life, but that doesn't dispute the fact that he defeated it.

Depends on how you define defeated though. Technically kyubi is still alive while minato isn't. Minato merely managed to seal kyubi because he wouldnt have been able to actually defeat it in a direct fight, as in exchanging jutsu, dodging, punching and stuff. I dont think there would be a disagreement here lol.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Depends on how you define defeated though. Technically kyubi is still alive while minato isn't. Minato merely managed to seal kyubi because he wouldnt have been able to actually defeat it in a direct fight, as in exchanging jutsu, dodging, punching and stuff. I dont think there would be a disagreement here lol.

I define defeated, as who wasn't the victor. Kyuubi goal was to destroy Konoha and Minato goal was to stop him. Minato accomplish his goal and Kyuubi didn't accomplish his because he was stopped by Minato. And it been mentioned many times in the manga that Minato "defeated" the Kyuubi, so i don't exactly see the point of this argument.

Also he did defeat the kyuubi in a direct fight, he fought him head on. What you think he was doing fighting from a hiding place in the background?

[kkck]

I define defeated, as who wasn't the victor. Kyuubi goal was to destroy Konoha and Minato goal was to stop him. Minato accomplish his goal and Kyuubi didn't accomplish his because he was stopped by Minato. And it been mentioned many times in the manga that Minato "defeated" the Kyuubi, so i don't exactly see the point of this argument.

Also he did defeat the kyuubi in a direct fight, he fought him head on. What you think he was doing fighting from a hiding place in the background?

So you actually saw the fight lol? We dont really know what happened during that fight, all we know is that at the end the kyubi was sealed. Considering the kyubi is a being inherently more powerful than a human, with monumental amounts of chakra (which is implied to be poisoned to some degree), I find it ridiculous that he actually exchanged punches (or paws w/e) and jutsu with minato. Also minato was planning to seal kyubi inside of naruto so most likely naruto had to be close, which is all the more reason not to get into a freaking fist fight with kyubi.

In a way minato did defeat the kyubi but only because he got his objective and kyubi didnt, but I personaly believe that if minato had been involved in a direct confrontation, as in exchange ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu, minato would have been killed. We also dont know how is it that minato actually managed to trap kyubi so that he could trap his soul, that suggests there was some sort of prior planning.

All in all, I dont think humans can actually defeat biju in direct confrontations, unless the human in question has a special haxed ability such as MS or mokuton.

[DarkManSharingan32]

His entire argument is irrelevant... unless he going to start contending that Team 7 can seal the 8 tails. Defeat or no, that option is not available to a single person in this fight.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

So you actually saw the fight lol? We dont really know what happened during that fight, all we know is that at the end the kyubi was sealed. Considering the kyubi is a being inherently more powerful than a human, with monumental amounts of chakra (which is implied to be poisoned to some degree), I find it ridiculous that he actually exchanged punches (or paws w/e) and jutsu with minato. Also minato was planning to seal kyubi inside of naruto so most likely naruto had to be close, which is all the more reason not to get into a freaking fist fight with kyubi.

In a way minato did defeat the kyubi but only because he got his objective and kyubi didnt, but I personaly believe that if minato had been involved in a direct confrontation, as in exchange ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu, minato would have been killed. We also dont know how is it that minato actually managed to trap kyubi so that he could trap his soul, that suggests there was some sort of prior planning.

All in all, I dont think humans can actually defeat biju in direct confrontations, unless the human in question has a special haxed ability such as MS or mokuton.

I didn't exactly see the fight but i read the manga(/DB), in which it had been made clear that Minato defeated the Kyuubi. I'm not claiming that Minato went fist fighting with the kyuubi, i'm just disputing your claim that he didn't defeat the Kyuubi in a direct fight. There is no way Minato could have defeat the Kyuubi if he didn't fight him directly. How the heck did Minato got hold of Kyuubi in other to perform the death god seal if the didn't confront him directly. Mind explaining that to me? All clear implications are that Minato fought the Kyuubi directly. And most likely subdued the Kyuubi in someway, in other to perform the death god seal.

No humans can actually defeat biju in direct confrontations? Aside from Minato doing so, i will have to ask you to go read the part about how the 3tail beast was capture again. It was defeated by Deidera and Tobi.
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His entire argument is irrelevant... unless he going to start contending that Team 7 can seal the 8 tails. Defeat or no, that option is not available to a single person in this fight.

Lol. You always find a way to make me laugh. My entire argument is base on this ridiculous post of us:

"It's amazing... a whole ninja village gets razed by the Kyuubi.
And Four ninja can take out the Hachibii?
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If this is true, these two generations arre VAAASTLY ahead in terms of strength and skill."

In which you wrongly imply that because a whole village gets razed by the Kyuubi then four ninjas shouldn't be able to take out the Hachibi. And i rightfully correct you(been a nice gentleman that i am) that the Kyuubi itself was taken out by one man, which makes your point is moot. And all the other Jins and bijus were taken out by no more than two ninjas. So yes my whole argument is relevant, you should try taken a second look at yours. If just no more than two ninjas have taken out each of the Jins and Bijus, then a four man cell of good ninjas will be more than enough to take out Hachibi or any other Jin.

[DarkManSharingan32]

Except you are disregarding all those who died in the struggle. Those people who were fighting the Kyuubi and died. If not for them it's highly possible Yondaime doesn't become successful.

It's not as if Minato stood alone, and there is no mention of that much in the manga or anime.
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It's absolutely ridiculous to bring up the sealing characteristics when it's clear that none of the four ninja's here are capable of that much. If One or Two ninja can seal Jinchuuriki, how does that disprove my assertion that these four ninja defeating Hachibi shows a great shift in the power spectrum? It doesn't in any sense of argument.

Which means that if these four can defeat an "undefeatable" tailed beast it would mean that this generation has greatly surpassed the ones who came before it. THAT is what I said.

[kkck]

I didn't exactly see the fight but i read the manga(/DB), in which it had been made clear that Minato defeated the Kyuubi. I'm not claiming that Minato went fist fighting with the kyuubi, i'm just disputing your claim that he didn't defeat the Kyuubi in a direct fight. There is no way Minato could have defeat the Kyuubi if he didn't fight him directly. How the heck did Minato got hold of Kyuubi in other to perform the death god seal if the didn't confront him directly. Mind explaining that to me? All clear implications are that Minato fought the Kyuubi directly. And most likely subdued the Kyuubi in someway, in other to perform the death god seal.

No humans can actually defeat biju in direct confrontations? Aside from Minato doing so, i will have to ask you to go read the part about how the 3tail beast was capture again. It was defeated by Deidera and Tobi.

Ok, let me rephrase that: No human being could defeat an inteligent biju. The three tails was said to be uninteligent and wasnt able to use all of its power but anyways...

As for how minato got hold of kyubi: IDK, but getting into a fist fight is not the only way. It is very posible he prepared some sort of trap which would altogether prevent a direct confrontation between the two. I still think minato wouldnt be able to defeat kyubi in a direct battle though.

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Except you are disregarding all those who died in the struggle. Those people two were fighting the Kyuubi and died. If not for them it's highly possible Yondaime doesn't become successful.

It's not as if Minato stood alone, and there is no mention of that much in the manga or anime.
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It's absolutely ridiculous to bring up the sealing characteristics when it's clear that none of the four ninja's here are capable of that much.

Which means that if these four can defeat an "undefeatable" tailed beast it would mean that this generation has greatly surpassed the ones who came before it. THAT is what I said.

Yeah there were other ninja fighting the Kyuubi before Minato arrived but they were just getting kill, they were having no effect on the Kyuubi.

Can you point to which one of my post that brought up the death god seal as an implication that one of the ninja in Team 7 is going to use it against Hachibi, or can't even use it for that matter? I wasn't even the one that brought up the Death God Seal, kkck did. I didn't even mention the death god seal until my last post.

Uhmm...Isn't one of the biggest point that Kishi keep making in the manga is that the next generation will surpass the previous ones?

But i don't see how if this four ninjas defeating Hachibi equate to this generation having greatly surpass the one that came before. In the generation that came before one ninja alone can defeat the Kyuubi and in this generation four ninja is going to be needed to defeat the 8tail host.

[TheChosenOne]

Yeah there were other ninja fighting the Kyuubi before Minato arrived but they were just getting kill, they were having no effect on the Kyuubi.

Can you prove that they didn't have any effect ? They could have made a difference or they couldn't have, but for you to state that they didn't have an effect on the Kyuubi are unfounded. :)

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000100782/01.jpg
It states that all the Shinobi in Konoha were assembled to fight the Kyuubi, and Minato sealed it. That is what it states, nothing more, nothing less. To say that all the rest had no effect is erroneous. :)

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

Ok, let me rephrase that: No human being could defeat an inteligent biju. The three tails was said to be uninteligent and wasnt able to use all of its power but anyways...

As for how minato got hold of kyubi: IDK, but getting into a fist fight is not the only way. It is very posible he prepared some sort of trap which would altogether prevent a direct confrontation between the two. I still think minato wouldnt be able to defeat kyubi in a direct battle though.


No human being could defeat an intelligent bijuu? Minato did that.

Nowhere was it imply that he defeated the Kyuubi by creating a trap and didn't confront it directly.

I'm done with this. I need to study for my Calculus test. If i fail or do bad i will be sure to blame it on you and the manga. :XD

[Delbi]

It's amazing... a whole ninja village gets razed by the Kyuubi.
And Four ninja can take out the Hachibii?
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If this is true, these two generations arre VAAASTLY ahead in terms of strength and skill.

Understand the Kyuubi is vastly superior to all of the other Biju. The fact that Akatsuki needs to seal all other 8 Biju prior to sealing the Kyuubi would mean in terms of raw power, the Kyuubi is equal to that of all the other Biju combined.

Not to mention, the nature of Kakashi's Kamui and Naruto FRS, have never been used on a Biju before, it's very likely that if the two of them fought the full fledged Kyuubi now, they might be able to hurt him much more than the Konoha nin in the past with just those two attacks. Note however, I didn't say kill or defeat him.

[Kusachu]

It's amazing... a whole ninja village gets razed by the Kyuubi.
And Four ninja can take out the Hachibii?
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If this is true, these two generations arre VAAASTLY ahead in terms of strength and skill.

Well, Sasuke and his team SORT OF took out Hachibi. :eyeroll And it is supposed that at least one Akatsuki would have been able to defeat him, so if Akatsuki can beat Hachibi, then I think Team Kakashi can. Plus, Hachibi's power isn't raw and rampaging like Kyuubi was, and the gap between Kyuubi's power and Hachibi's power is unknown. Kyuubi is definately the strongest, and for some reason I thought it was implied that Kyuubi's power is somewhere near unfathomable and unending, but I have no quotes to back that. :darn

And you got to give it to Minato. It takes a bunch of Akatsuki DAYS to seal lower class youma, and it seemed like Minato did Kyuubi like POW! Over. *shrug* But that makes me wonder...how long did it take him?? :blink

[Raizen]

About mianto vs 9-tails. wasn't it stated that Minato showed up late to the battle, taht is why so many ninjas died?

back on the 8-tails thing. i don't think anyone here can compare the two. The9-tails has shown vast strength that puts it much higher than all the other bijuus. The difference in strength btw the 3Ts and hachibi is huge. The 9-taisl, could very well be that much stronger than hachibi. Moreover, hachibi fully transformed has shown that he is not resistant to powerful attacks like amaretsu so FRS and kamui will work. The 9-tails on the other hand, in just 4TK was able to fight oro without getting a scratch even after being impaled by the kusanagi. Meaning the defense of the 9-tails is on a whole otehr level

i have no idea how Minato was able to best the 9-tails, but it goes to show that he is deserving of the title of "Konoh's greatest" and being unsurpassed

[mattiaildivino]

to me,Kakshi himslef could fight in a good way against Bee,especially with his Kamui technique. if we add an heremite Naruto Bee is almost done for. remember that there are also Sakura and Sai,and they aren't so weak as ninjas!!!

[LnDRash]

This battle would be awesome... I can already imagine it:

Sakura: !?
Bee: Lariat'oooooo!!
*Sakura flying through the air with her chest blown to pieces*
Bee: Wheeeee-Yeeeaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!

Would be even better then when he did it too sasuke^^

[kelv015]

May i remind you that one ninja took out the Kyuubi? I guess you chose to ignore that.

And may i remind you so far that it only takes one Aka to take out most of the Jinchuurikis so far?

That's different. 3 random ninjas + the 3rd raikage were able to restrain the Hachibi so the 3rd Raikage could then use his sealing pot or whatever it was. And btw, Minato also got some help against the kyuubi, but not from some random ninjas but from the former host of that bijuu in order to restrain it: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c503/13.html
So yeah, any way you slice it Kyuubi >>>>>>>>>>> Hachibi.

- And on topic: Current Naruto & Kakashi are more than enough to handle Bee, even in his beast form. Naruto's FRS would deal A LOT of damage on it's own, and if things get tough...he can just go even stronger with Rikudou's cloak, and Kakashi doesn't need as much time as before to use Kamui. And if you add Sai & Sakura then that just assures victory for Team 7. They can protect Kakashi if he needs more time to use a big enough Kamui to actually affect and catch Hachibi.