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Gold Knight
August 20, 2006, 06:52 PM
While reviewing Volume 32 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=7369.0) was certainly fun while it lasted, I've gotta admit going back to the regular chapters feels a lot more comfortable. I'm just used to doing it one chapter a time, I guess!

Sorry for the delay this week. Had to wait until today to finally post it because of internet problems (and not being finished when I did get it back).

Please enjoy and comment away when you have time. ;)


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on Naruto Chapter 319: Motivation! * * *


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Not very social-looking, is he?

1. A Face of Determination! Heh, I liked this cover. Kishimoto has a knack for "fish-eye perspective," where it looks as though you're seeing the characters through the bottom of a glass. The first time I really noticed Kishimoto doing that was the double spread cover of chapter 226 (http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4382/narutoch226p0203zu0.jpg) with Naruto and Sasuke sparring off against each other. Obito's cover (http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4641/narutoch241p01bk9.png) was another one. And even within the panels, Kishimoto has started to do it more often, for example, with Baku (http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/3998/chapter25005uz9.png) and Sakura (http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/310/narutov33chap298p11wu9.png).

Kishimoto has done it in the past, and now is starting to do it again; he uses his covers to set the mood for his chapters in the last two volumes. This one, with a Naruto sitting at a bench and looking so angrily determined at accomplishing his objective that he's still got crumbs on one of his cheeks, told us right off the bat that the training would be the main focus of the chapter.


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As usual, Shikamaru's in the dark as far as romance!

2. Something's Gonna Happen. The chapter opens and takes us back to where we left off at the last one, with Asuma's team about to set off on their mission to the Fire Temple. There's a moment of silence as the party leader stares towards a window with an almost resigned look on his face, just before he says "somebody's got to do it," and takes off. Of course, who else but Kurenai would have inside, albeit regrettably distracted by a book until it was too late and Asuma had already gone.

Alright, then, let's count the ominious signs we've seen so far. First, we saw Asuma softly talking to his father's grave and reflecting on his past in a chapter titled "Impending Doom." We saw Asuma trying to have an important chat with Kakashi before Kurenai interrupted by entering the room, and then declining to say anything and leaving with her. We had that interesting shojo match between him and his student, Shikamaru, in which they discussed the significance of protecting the "King," and he shrugged himself off as a sacrifical piece. And now this.

Even thought Kurenai did not see Asuma depart, she still almost seemed to sense that she had just lost something... or someone. Geez. If the prophecy of Gaara's death could crack a cup, then you'd almost expect the whole village to crumble to dust here!

All the same, the great deal of foreshadowing leads me to think that Kishimoto may be purposely trying to scare the readers. I've already mentioned that before. But with the silent farewell here, this chapter succeeded the most for me. Still, there's still hope.

Shikamaru is with Asuma.

Last we saw Shikamaru on a mission, he had nearly lost every single genin under his command. Faltering at first at the realization that even despite his amazing knack for strategy, his leadership might not have been sufficient enough to save his friends, he nearly quit being a ninja. Before his father's powerful lecture, of course, and the good news of the survival of all his friends. After which, Shikamaru swore that he would be flawless (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7558/narutoch235p19vw4.png) from then on.

Might Asuma be fatally injured, and Shikamaru have to take over the reins of leadership and save everybody and redeem himself? Well, we'll see. It would be as good a time as any for him to return the favor for when Asuma saved his life (http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7393/naruto11911dk2.jpg), huh.


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Yay for weird contact lens!

Crackhead Theory: Here's my Narutard theory of the week. Bear in mind that it comes with a disclaimer as I'm usually more often than not wrong, but here goes anyway! Could it be that the Akatsuki Leader is a relative of Kurenai? The eyes certainly match, as you can see in the image I provided above. Might that be the reason Asuma wanted to talk to Kakashi and didn't want Kurenai to know what was going on. Could we be seeing the Akatsuki Leader being revealed, at long last, in this storyline? That'd be fun.


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Looks like they're dancing from here, doesn't it?

3. Unnatural Training. Somebody brought up this before in a previous Comments, but this chapter really made me wonder about it as well. Where in the world does all that water come from on a constant basis? It's almost as if Yamato also possesses, in addition to his Mokuton ability, the special ability of the Nidaime (as well as Kisame) to create great excesses of water out of nothing, although the waterfall here does seem to come from the ground.

But in no time flat, you'd expect that water to come to a stop sometimes. Could it be that Yamato is redirecting the water as it hits the ground and then pulling it back up through the cliff and then bursting it out again, much like a fountain? All the same, that'd still require some kind of powerful chakra manipulation - and then there's the part where Yamato is also suppressing the Kyuubi simulateously to avoid any complications! Multi-tasker, anyone?


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You gotta wonder just how many times he's fallen through the waterfall.

4. Splitting the Water. Well, at least we found out this chapter that Naruto didn't actually have to cut the whole cliffside in half, but instead blow the water itself aside for a while - in the process also creating a gap and some degree of visibility to the rock beyond. Still challenging in its fashion as I'm sure the water's falling very hard here, not to mention it's rather intangible. Next he'll be trying to catch air with his hands.

This skill could also be useful for revealing any enemies hiding behind any such imperceptible cover, though. And to keep enemies at bay. Imagine if Zabuza tried to sneak up on Naruto in his usual heavy, dense fog now; all the orange boy would have to do send a "wind slash" all around to protect himself from an attack. He'd only be vulnerable from the air or the ground.


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Say pretty please with sugar on top, Naruto...?

5. Listen Carefully, Grasshopper...! Somewhat surprisingly, we did get some more information about Bunshin no Jutsu this week, which came as totally unexpected to me. Maybe Kishimoto really is active on the forums and reading our discussions here and he decided to answer some more questions! ;)

Well, it's confirmed now, anyway: Kakashi revealed that distribution of chakra among all the clones indeed is an automatic side-effect of using Bunshin no Jutsu. That means Naruto does have to be concerned about the amount of clones he creates at any given time because it limits his options. Maybe this is the reason Naruto has had to turn Kyuubified so often, as he uses up his natural chakra quickly so often. He really does need to strategize a little more before entering a battle; it's looking like spur-of-the-moment improvisation is more of a double-edged sword for him.


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Attaboy, Naruto!

6. A Rivalry Renewed! Heh, after Naruto proclaimed that he needed to surpass Sasuke, I suddenly got nostalgic. Whatever happened to the good old days where Sasuke would be so frustrated by Naruto's quick growth? (http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2681/naruto14408mv6.jpg) And now the tables have turned - Naruto, instead, is now playing catch up once again. I suppose that's the way most manga work - whenever a protagonist has an arch-rival, it's usually a nose-to-nose duel down the homestretch.

Incidentally, I don't blame Naruto for being impatient here with the training at all. Kakashi is known for his tendency to be late, after all...! I don't know whether it's that he was having faith in Naruto's ability or just being plain being easy-going (and hoping to read more of his novel), but I think Kakashi was being somewhat silly here in saying that all Naruto needed to do was take his time when he knew Yamato could do more to help him. Well, hey, if they had time, Naruto wouldn't have had to resort to the Kage Bunshin, after all.

Sidenote: Kakashi also said here that wind manipulation would take several years to master, and even cutting a leaf would normally take six months to master, and that Naruto did it in a few hours - I'm guessing probably six hours. Then casually, he added that "even" Sasuke needed a few days (without the Kage Bunshin) to learn lightning manipulation. No wonder Naruto was so ticked off!


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Yeah, well, the image says it all here.

7. So He's Human After All! Seriously, if Yamato REALLY had been "all right" after doing something as incredible as creating a waterfall THAT big and a wooden bridge from edge to edge, I'd totally be leading his campaign to be the next Hokage. Even though he was clearly out of air here, I still don't know how even Tsunade could possibly fend this guy off - when he can throw a forest and a lake at her simulateously from a safe place, there aren't going to be many opportunities for the Godaime to land a direct hit on him! Pretty amusing when Kakashi asked him if he was alright and then didn't believe his answer.

Makes me also think that Yamato is somewhat subconsciously trying to impress Kakashi by trying to shrug it off as nothing too exhausting (would've been more convincing if he hadn't been panting so hard and had both hands on the ground, tho!) Well, I suppose he does seemingly idolize him, after all (not that it's so surprising ;) ).

Still, this just seems to further support that Yamato can seemingly create water out of nothing unless there's a lake nearby that we can't see. Whatever the case, he's clearly a powerhouse. What a hidden weapon for Konohagakure.


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Missing Sasuke-poo.

8. Still a Crybaby? First, I just want to say that I love what Kishimoto's done to Sakura in Part 2. She's become amazingly capable as a "super kunoichi", and she's even defeated an Akatsuki member in a life-or-death situation, albeit with help. She's also obviously become more prepared what with the antidote she created in order to stave off Sasori's poison, and she was awesome in her dealings with Sai (at least, after the sucker punch, which was a little too excessive for sure).

But sometimes, she still annoys me. I was VERY disappointed with Sakura's reaction to seeing Sasuke again in the last volume, and her slow hesistation to act. And now we're seemingly seeing her regressing as a result of that battle. No longer so confident anymore. It's almost as if Sasuke is some kind of spiky-haired, living Kryptonite to her.

Ah, well. I suppose some things are realistic about this scene, though - especially since Sakura's a girl, and she IS alone and having a private moment. There's something to be said for the female sex being more emotional than men, even if it's only a general rule. Speaking of which, the rules of being a ninja must be pretty hard on kunoichi - I wonder how Kurenai would act if Asuma ever does die. Then there's the part that Sakura's probably been quite depressed as well ever since she saw Sasuke freely allowing himself to be Orochimaru's slave. I suppose it's good that we're not just seeing it from Naruto's perspective, as we do so often.

Sometimes I have to wonder if Kishimoto is also basing Sakura on Obito too (or is it the other way around?) Obito was obviously known as a "crybaby ninja," but he redeemed himself in the end. Hopefully Sakura will bounce back from this and kick butt again once again.


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Get your minds out of the gutter, you yaoi lovers. XD

9. Only a Dream... Or Is It? We see Naruto clearly wanting things to be like they once were when the original Team 7 were still together, as he dreams about that possibility a little bit at night. Funnily enough, not too long ago I had a discussion with Luckas04 in my last Ten Comments with about how Sasuke is seeming more and more like just that - a dream.

After all, it's as if Sakura and Naruto both automatically accepted him into the team and then hoped for more from him. Sure, he's been a comrade to them, but even so, he was always more oriented with revenge. The only time he really ever showed any care for Naruto and Sakura was when he stood before Gaara in order to protect them (http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3465/naruto13312ru2.jpg), and declared that he couldn't stand losing anybody else. Nevertheless, it's still more for love than real friendship that they're chasing after him, I think. I don't think he'll actually ever come back to Team 7. It really is just a dream. But hopefully Naruto and Sakura can at the very least save Sasuke from turning completely evil and doing something he'll regret forever.

Edit: Boff reminded me that Sasuke did do something before that, what with his taking the bulk of Haku's needles in order to protect Naruto. I blame it on my old age for forgetting that moment, although Sasuke did say that his body almost moved on its own, regardless of what his mind wanted to do.

Sidenote: It's interesting, but I haven't seen this much of a melancholy mood in a Naruto chapter since Chapter 181, when Sakura had her last conversation with Sasuke before he left Konohagakure. It's kind of refreshing in an odd way.

Sidenote 2: The waterfall still flowing here would seem to defeat the theory that Yamato would be constantly concentrating to keep it going, since he's sleeping, so that's pretty weird. I think Kishimoto was definitely trying to be too cute here. Plus, Yamato also obviously isn't suppressing the Kyuubi's chakra here. Guess Naruto didn't really care, though.

Sidenote 3: The transition from Sakura's tear to a shooting star in the night sky seen by Naruto was pretty cool sequential storytelling here, I have to say.


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Top that, Moses!

10. Wet Success! Overall, I'll have to say it's pretty darned good storytelling, all things considered. The feeling of rivalry coupled with the desire to bring Naruto's friend back from the "darkness" will obviously help him achieve his dream of being Hokage more quickly than even he imagined. It's not as if Naruto needed any more determination in the first place, but the tragedy that broke up Team 7 served as pretty good motivation. It's a nice reminder that if you manage to survive through the bad things, you'll always come out stronger than you were in the past.

Anyway, with this stage of the training over, what's next? I think it's time for Naruto to finally get to the real goal - inventing a totally new jutsu. For some strange reason, I think it might actually also involve "yin-and-yang manipulation" of which Yamato mentioned a few chapters ago. They still gotta explain that, after all. Guess we'll see.

Sidenote: Gotta admit I enjoyed seeing Naruto celebrate here, he was pretty happy, wasn't he. I think Kishimoto is actually getting more comfortable than ever at drawing "Part 2" Naruto, because he looked good in every single panel in this chapter.

RATING: 4 out of 5 stars. Somewhat of a sleepy chapter (literally at times) because it was mostly quiet moments, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good one. It was also pretty good to see Naruto get one stage of the training over in one chapter.

Predictions: Preview says that the next chapter will concentrate on Asuma's team and the Akatsuki, so I'm going to predict that it'll actually happen two chapters later and that Naruto will have to start figuring out how to create an "ultimate jutsu" using what he's learned so far.

Credits: Thanks to NBST's scanlation, which I used for the whole review. Yoshitsune's and Nihongaeri's translations were a big help as well.

Hope you enjoyed, and looking forward to seeing what you think!


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Don't sneak off without commenting...!

The Boff
August 20, 2006, 06:59 PM
wow first post!!!! now im gonna read them and tell you what i thought with an edit!

edit: im always amazed that you can catch so much details in 15 pages. when i read it its mostly just cool.
then after reading your comments, aha.... so thats what the were doing....

found one mistake though :p sasuke has helped team 7 once before the gaara incident.
when fighting haku he covered naruto. taking all those needles and stuff

Rampages
August 20, 2006, 07:10 PM
Yeah I enjoyed Yamato and Kakashi's interaction too lol

Daniee
August 20, 2006, 07:19 PM
I think you're being a little harsh on Sakura. I really wouldn't call her a "crybaby" at all. It was just a single tear. She was probably just going to sleep for the night, saw the old photo of Team 7(the good old days), and got a little emotional. It's a sensitive subject for all of them after all.
Which reminds me...it's been a really long time since we last saw that Team 7 photo, hasn't it?

TheBolivianGuy
August 20, 2006, 07:21 PM
"Missing Sasuke-poo." <--- Hahaha that cracked me up.

La_Muerte
August 20, 2006, 07:30 PM
so since naruto has been doing all this training, has anybody thought why the kyubbi has not come out, i mean didnt naruto get to a point where every time he powered up the kyubbi chakra would pop out and he would be in danger. i mean look at it as when he was mad and fighting deidara he only had about 4 clones(cant remember well) and he was getting ready to get kyubified, even though he was in an angered state. i think that wat sasuke did to naruto was more to suppress the chakra for a period of time, maybe he sent the kyubbi into a hibernating sleep waiting until naruto gets intensified enough to unleash it all. cause hes been practicing with an insane amount of clones and not one peek at the kyubbi chakra trying to be unleashed.

Rampages
August 20, 2006, 07:31 PM
Yamato was surpressing the kyuubi, not letting it manifest itself physically.

Daniee
August 20, 2006, 07:44 PM
Yamato was surpressing the kyuubi, not letting it manifest itself physically.

No, he has been doing the latter. The reason Naruto is the only one who can do this training is because of the endless amount of Kyuubi chakra. Otherwise he would've become exhausted quickly after making all those clones and using them all to try splitting the leaf/waterfall, even with his large amount of normal chakra.

Gold Knight
August 20, 2006, 07:50 PM
found one mistake though :p sasuke has helped team 7 once before the gaara incident.
when fighting haku he covered naruto. taking all those needles and stuff


True. I guess I'll add that, though that was such an out-of-the-blue moment...

Rampages
August 20, 2006, 07:54 PM
No, he has been doing the latter. The reason Naruto is the only one who can do this training is because of the endless amount of Kyuubi chakra. Otherwise he would've become exhausted quickly after making all those clones and using them all to try splitting the leaf/waterfall, even with his large amount of normal chakra.


He is supressing the kyuubi's chakra from emerging materially and take over Naruto. The red chakra still leaks from the seal, altough it remains in check by Yamato's ninja ritual.

Gold Knight
August 20, 2006, 08:01 PM
I think you're being a little harsh on Sakura. I really wouldn't call her a "crybaby" at all. It was just a single tear. She was probably just going to sleep for the night, saw the old photo of Team 7(the good old days), and got a little emotional. It's a sensitive subject for all of them after all.
Which reminds me...it's been a really long time since we last saw that Team 7 photo, hasn't it?


Yep it has been, and I was thinking about commenting on that as well, but didn't figure it would interest anybody. Looks like I was wrong XD

I tried not to be too harsh on Sakura, but I still gotta say how I feel ;) And Obito only shed one tear, too.

Sakura IS known for crying a little more often than the average kunoichi...



No, he has been doing the latter. The reason Naruto is the only one who can do this training is because of the endless amount of Kyuubi chakra. Otherwise he would've become exhausted quickly after making all those clones and using them all to try splitting the leaf/waterfall, even with his large amount of normal chakra.


Yeah, Yamato was allowing Naruto to use the Kyuubi's chakra without letting it control him.

Rampages
August 20, 2006, 08:04 PM
Yeah, Yamato was allowing Naruto to use the Kyuubi's chakra without letting it control him.


Did you post at the same time as me or did you just completely ignore my post ? =P

Gold Knight
August 20, 2006, 08:09 PM
Did you post at the same time as me or did you just completely ignore my post ? =P


Testy, aren't we? XD Was just commenting myself.

LadyHatake
August 20, 2006, 08:30 PM
GK <333333

You're right, something's definentlly going to happen to Asuma.

I agree with you about yamato. It's refreshing to know that he's human like everyone else, and that he too can get tired. Up until now he's pretty much been like Superman.

And like I said to you earlier, you might have something on the Kurenai/Akatsuki leader connection. I get the feeling that Kurenai's going to be a big part of the story, much bigger than she ever has been. And the eyes are the same. I find it hard to believe that eyes like that are very common.

Luckas
August 20, 2006, 08:36 PM
Very good review as always.



While reviewing Volume 32 (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=7369.0) was certainly fun while it lasted, I've gotta admit going back to the regular chapters feels a lot more comfortable. I'm just used to doing it one chapter a time, I guess!
I hope you'll find the motivation to make other Volume Reviews, I liked very much the first.



Heh, I liked this cover.
Kishimoto has done it in the past, and now is starting to do it again; he uses his covers to set the mood for his chapters in the last two volumes. This one, with a Naruto sitting at a bench and looking so angrily determined at accomplishing his objective that he's still got crumbs on one of his cheeks, told us right off the bat that the training would be the main focus of the chapter.It didn't impress me, but you make me reavalute it.



All the same, the great deal of foreshadowing leads me to think that Kishimoto may be purposely trying to scare the readers. I've already mentioned that before. But with the silent farewell here, this chapter succeeded the most for me. Still, there's still hope.It's hard, but you can win your bet, the foreshadowing seems excessive, but it could also be that this time Kishimoto simply showed his cards without trying to mislead us. I'm curious, what do you think about Asuma and Kurenai?


Shikamaru is with Asuma.

Last we saw Shikamaru on a mission, he had nearly lost every single genin under his command. Faltering at first at the realization that even despite his amazing knack for strategy, his leadership might not have been sufficient enough to save his friends, he nearly quit being a ninja. Before his father's powerful lecture, of course, and the good news of the survival of all his friends. After which, Shikamaru swore that he would be flawless (http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7558/narutoch235p19vw4.png) from then on.

Might Asuma be fatally injured, and Shikamaru have to take over the reins of leadership and save everybody and redeem himself? Well, we'll see. It would be as good a time as any for him to return the favor for when Asuma saved his life (http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/7393/naruto11911dk2.jpg), huh.I really would like to see that. Good job remembering that scene at the end of "Get back Sasuke", but I think that even Temari helped Shikamaru broke free from his "despair".



Here's my Narutard theory of the week. Bear in mind that it comes with a disclaimer as I'm usually more often than not wrong, but here goes anyway! Could it be that the Akatsuki Leader is a relative of Kurenai? The eyes certainly match, as you can see in the image I provided above. Might that be the reason Asuma wanted to talk to Kakashi and didn't want Kurenai to know what was going on. Could we be seeing the Akatsuki Leader being revealed, at long last, in this storyline? That'd be fun.
I don't know why, but I would be very surprised if this theory would be true.


Somebody brought up this before in a previous Comments, but this chapter really made me wonder about it as well. Where in the world does all that water come from on a constant basis? It's almost as if Yamato also possesses, in addition to his Mokuton ability, the special ability of the Nidaime (as well as Kisame) to create great excesses of water out of nothing, although the waterfall here does seem to come from the ground.

But in no time flat, you'd expect that water to come to a stop sometimes. Could it be that Yamato is redirecting the water as it hits the ground and then pulling it back up through the cliff and then bursting it out again, much like a fountain? All the same, that'd still require some kind of powerful chakra manipulation - and then there's the part where Yamato is also suppressing the Kyuubi simulateously to avoid any complications! Multi-tasker, anyone?Probably Kishimoto didn't give much thought about that, but I think it's the jutsu itsel that redirect the water in some way after it was "casted". (Do you cast the jutsu? Is there a verb that was used in the manga?)


Well, at least we found out this chapter that Naruto didn't actually have to cut the whole cliffside in half, but instead blow the water itself aside for a while - in the process also creating a gap and some degree of visibility to the rock beyond. Still challenging in its fashion as I'm sure the water's falling very hard here, not to mention it's rather intangible. Next he'll be trying to catch air with his hands. That scene answered a question asked many times.


Somewhat surprisingly, we did get some more information about Bunshin no Jutsu this week, which came as totally unexpected to me. Maybe Kishimoto really is active on the forums and reading our discussions here and he decided to answer some more questions! ;)

Well, it's confirmed now, anyway: Kakashi revealed that distribution of chakra among all the clones indeed is an automatic side-effect of using Bunshin no Jutsu. That means Naruto does have to be concerned about the amount of clones he creates at any given time because it limits his options. Maybe this is the reason Naruto has had to turn Kyuubified so often, as he uses up his natural chakra quickly so often. He really does need to strategize a little more before entering a battle; it's looking like spur-of-the-moment improvisation is more of a double-edged sword for him.That gives some insights, but don't solve the doubts. We can always hope in the future.


Heh, after Naruto proclaimed that he needed to surpass Sasuke, I suddenly got nostalgic. Whatever happened to the good old days where Sasuke would be so frustrated by Naruto's quick growth? And now the tables have turned - Naruto, instead, is now playing catch up once again. I suppose that's the way most manga work - whenever a protagonist has an arch-rival, it's usually a nose-to-nose duel down the homestretch. I liked the scene, but it diminished Naruto a little.


Incidentally, I don't blame Naruto for being impatient here with the training at all. Kakashi is known for his tendency to be late, after all...! I don't know whether it's that he was having faith in Naruto's ability or just being plain being easy-going (and hoping to read more of his novel), but I think Kakashi was being somewhat silly here in saying that all Naruto needed to do was take his time when he knew Yamato could do more to help him. Well, hey, if they had time, Naruto wouldn't have had to resort to the Kage Bunshin, after all.Maybe, for Kakashi it's very difficult to train Naruto because they are so different, while Jiraya is more comfortable about this. I don't know if you heard about the dispute of which is the best teacher for Naruto?


Sidenote: Kakashi also said here that wind manipulation would take several years to master, and even cutting a leaf would normally take six months to master, and that Naruto did it in a few hours - I'm guessing probably six hours. Then casually, he added that "even" Sasuke needed a few days (without the Kage Bunshin) to learn lightning manipulation. No wonder Naruto was so ticked off!That's so true.


Makes me also think that Yamato is somewhat subconsciously trying to impress Kakashi by trying to shrug it off as nothing too exhausting (would've been more convincing if he hadn't been panting so hard and had both hands on the ground, tho!) Well, I suppose he does seemingly idolize him, after all (not that it's so surprising ;))That's a good catch, I would never have thought about that.



8. Still a Crybaby? First, I just want to say that I love what Kishimoto's done to Sakura in Part 2. She's become amazingly capable as a "super kunoichi", and she's even defeated an Akatsuki member in a life-or-death situation, albeit with help. She's also obviously become more prepared what with the antidote she created in order to stave off Sasori's poison, and she was awesome in her dealings with Sai (at least, after the sucker punch, which was a little too excessive for sure).

But sometimes, she still annoys me. I was VERY disappointed with Sakura's reaction to seeing Sasuke again in the last volume, and her slow hesistation to act. And now we're seemingly seeing her regressing as a result of that battle. No longer so confident anymore. It's almost as if Sasuke is some kind of spiky-haired, living Kryptonite to her.

Ah, well. I suppose some things are realistic about this scene, though - especially since Sakura's a girl, and she IS alone and having a private moment. There's something to be said for the female sex being more emotional than men, even if it's only a general rule. Speaking of which, the rules of being a ninja must be pretty hard on kunoichi - I wonder how Kurenai would act if Asuma ever does die. Then there's the part that Sakura's probably been quite depressed as well ever since she saw Sasuke freely allowing himself to be Orochimaru's slave. I suppose it's good that we're not just seeing it from Naruto's perspective, as we do so often.

Sometimes I have to wonder if Kishimoto is also basing Sakura on Obito too (or is it the other way around?) Obito was obviously known as a "crybaby ninja," but he redeemed himself in the end. Hopefully Sakura will bounce back from this and kick butt again once again.Don't you think you are a little harsh about some characters. The parallel between Obito and Sakura is interesting, maybe in future we will see something along this line.



9. Only a Dream... Or Is It? We see Naruto clearly wanting things to be like they once were when the original Team 7 were still together, as he dreams about that possibility a little bit at night. Funnily enough, not too long ago I had a discussion with Luckas04 in my last Ten Comments with about how Sasuke is seeming more and more like just that - a dream.

After all, it's as if Sakura and Naruto both automatically accepted him into the team and then hoped for more from him. Sure, he's been a comrade to them, but even so, he was always more oriented with revenge. The only time he really ever showed any care for Naruto and Sakura was when he stood before Gaara in order to protect them], and declared that he couldn't stand losing anybody else. Nevertheless, it's still more for love than real friendship that they're chasing after him, I think. I don't think he'll actually ever come back to Team 7. It really is just a dream. But hopefully Naruto and Sakura can at the very least save Sasuke from turning completely evil and doing something he'll regret forever.I like your idea of the dream, and me too I don't see Sasuke come back to team 7, but I really can't imagine how Kishimoto will solve the relation between naruto and Sasuke.


Sidenote: It's interesting, but I haven't seen this much of a melancholy mood in a Naruto chapter since Chapter 181, when Sakura had her last conversation with Sasuke before he left Konohagakure. It's kind of refreshing in an odd way.It's a change of flow very well made.


Sidenote 2: The waterfall still flowing here would seem to defeat the theory that Yamato would be constantly concentrating to keep it going, since he's sleeping, so that's pretty weird. I think Kishimoto was definitely trying to be too cute here. Plus, Yamato also obviously isn't suppressing the Kyuubi's chakra here. Guess Naruto didn't really care, though.I think Yamato is at the centre of pillars circle and awake.


Sidenote 3: The transition from Sakura's tear to a shooting star in the night sky seen by Naruto was pretty cool sequential storytelling here, I have to say.Yes, I loved it, very romatic.


10. Wet Success! Overall, I'll have to say it's pretty darned good storytelling, all things considered. The feeling of rivalry coupled with the desire to bring Naruto's friend back from the "darkness" will obviously help him achieve his dream of being Hokage more quickly than even he imagined. It's not as if Naruto needed any more determination in the first place, but the tragedy that broke up Team 7 served as pretty good motivation. It's a nice reminder that if you manage to survive through the bad things, you'll always come out stronger than you were in the past.

Anyway, with this stage of the training over, what's next? I think it's time for Naruto to finally get to the real goal - inventing a totally new jutsu. For some strange reason, I think it might actually also involve "yin-and-yang manipulation" of which Yamato mentioned a few chapters ago. They still gotta explain that, after all. Guess we'll see.

Sidenote: Gotta admit I enjoyed seeing Naruto celebrate here, he was pretty happy, wasn't he. I think Kishimoto is actually getting more comfortable than ever at drawing "Part 2" Naruto, because he looked good in every single panel in this chapter.Interesting points. We'll see.

graphic_content
August 20, 2006, 09:21 PM
some really great points you bring up GK -

the one thing the weighed heavily on my mind was this issue of "the king" that Asuma discussed very briefly with Shikamaru - who was 'the king'??? ( I dont know if this was discussed in another topic - so please excuse me)

it finally dawned on me after a couple of read-throughs that 'the king' very well might be Konoha, and that as shinobi of Konoha it was there responsiblity to give their life for it, as 'The Third' once did. Asuma, realizing his calling to answer that responsibility has now resolved to protect Konoha with his very life - if need be. And his sudden change in demeanor has caused his friends, and more dramatically, Kurenai - to worry.

kiddo7
August 20, 2006, 10:06 PM
Well well wel, once again great chapter and great comments. And let me just start by noting the first thing that stood out to me in this chapter;
Is it only me, or does Kurenai actually look younger in this one than in part one? There was something very different about the way she was drawn.
I have to say though I really loved the scene where kakashi had yamato "extend the bridge" YOur comments on it where pretty good too.
I personally would also have comented on the fact that Kakashi was the one who asked him to do it (same whisper in the ear deal as the first time). I kinda have a theory on how this went down...
Kakashi, after telling naruto there is nothing that can be done begins to think that maybe that lazy bum yamato is not working hard enough so he sees if cracking a whip to his ass can inspire him a little. He decides to ask him if he can say maybe double the length without collapsing from fatigue. Yamato on the other hand hears this request and thinks to himself wow this kakashi sure likes to show off with other peoples skills, I am doing all the work here and he is taking all the credit! Now to top it off he is insulting me by sking if I can manage such a simple task.(this reaction is a crazy extrapolation derived from the expression on his face) I'll show you what I can do, Take that! then he proceeds to make space for a thousand more bunshins and nearly faints in the process. Kakashi thinks to himself, ha, just as I expected get em every time. then he goes on to tease yamato with the lines provided by kishimoto sensei.
now tell me if you think this is not most likely the way things went down. >)
Then off course there was the great moment at the end when Naruto finnaly cuts the water. For me it did not become apparent what he was trying to do until the very moment he accomplished it. then I was like "of course! why didnt I see that from the beginning? I mean everybody knows thats the way to cut waterfalls" then When I begin to think that Naruto understood this one right away and I didn't (and apparently neither did a few more of us here at the forums) I begin to wonder what that implies about my inteligence? *blushes*
And finnaly, Don't even mess with Mosses You don't even want to start there is just no comparisson. This kidd only severd a waterfall probably 15-20 meters high and a few hundred meters wide. But he used over a thousand bunshuins to do it and he did not keep it seperated for a long time.
Mosses, on the other hand, seperated the waters of the dead sea and I dont know if you have looked at an atlas recently and compared its relative size to any body of water that you are familiar with. but not just that he did it all by himself, and he kept it seperated until tens of thousands of people walked across with their cattle and what not.
When it comes to cutting water, Mosses pwns all!
He's my boy!

La_Muerte
August 20, 2006, 11:03 PM
Yamato was surpressing the kyuubi, not letting it manifest itself physically.




No, he has been doing the latter. The reason Naruto is the only one who can do this training is because of the endless amount of Kyuubi chakra. Otherwise he would've become exhausted quickly after making all those clones and using them all to try splitting the leaf/waterfall, even with his large amount of normal chakra.


if yamato was supressing the chakra wouldnt it be noticeble, i mean naruto has not gone berserk or gotten to a point that you start to see his kyubbi chakra pouring out, so wat i basically think is that yamato has done nothing during the training to suppress narutos chakra, he is only there if it gets out of control. besides making the waterfall and all the other earth stuff he has done nothing that would indicate that he is suppressing the chakra. i mean he just stands there in the circle with his hand sticking out just in case naruto decides to go kyubbi. not to say that yamato is a good for nothing, he is one of the most interesting ANBU members out there besides Kakashi and ex-ANBU member Itachi

kiddo7
August 20, 2006, 11:11 PM
quote:"if yamato was supressing the chakra wouldnt it be noticeble, i mean naruto has not gone berserk or gotten to a point that you start to see his kyubbi chakra pouring out"
Actually, No! By deffiniton if you suppres something then what ever you are suppresing will not manifest itself. Don't beleive me? Here is the definition from Websters:
1 : to put down by authority or force : SUBDUE <suppress a riot>
2 : to keep from public knowledge: as a : to keep secret b : to stop or prohibit the publication or revelation of <suppress the test results>
3 a : to exclude from consciousness b : to keep from giving vent to : CHECK <suppressed her anger>
4 obsolete : to press down
5 a : to restrain from a usual course or action <suppress a cough> b : to inhibit the growth or development of
6 : to inhibit the genetic expression of <suppress a mutation>

Therefor, it is exactly because Yamato is suppressing the chakra that Naruto has not gone kyubi. ANd if you have read the previous chapters and understood what they were talking about (no offence if you did not) then you should have known that that is the exact reason only naruto can do this training because Yamato is there to keep the Kyubi chakra from expressing itself, while letting him acces its power.

Raine_Joybringer
August 21, 2006, 01:00 AM
*pops up* Here I am ^_^

I gotta say, I really enjoyed this chapter than the other more recent ones. I suppose it's because this is one of the most human chapters I've ever read in a manga.

1. I just adore these kinds of covers with this scope of view. It really takes a talented artist to set something liket that up. The crumbs make me giggle though. Maybe that hamburger next to him wasn't very good? :tem

2. The tension that Kishimoto has created over the last few chapters with this really makes you doubt if Asuma is going to come out of this alive or not... I was talking to a friend not that long ago and he had speculated on there being a character death soon too. I'm starting to think he's right. We've been shown so much of Asuma lately that there's no doubt that there's been some kind of appreciation created for him amongst the readers. I've noticed in a lot of series how this is built up then suddenly cut off to make people feel sad. In a way, this feels almost a lot like the way Haku's death was set up.

I'd actually be a little cheesed off if we found that Asuma's team didn't even meet up with Hidan and Kakuzu, and the other teams did and got destroyed. I'm sure that this meeting is fated.

3. The water confused me too. I presumed it was a fountain like you said. Or Yamato has tapped into some natural underground river of some kind...?

4. I thought he meant to cut the entire cliff in half too... maybe that's the next step? :p

5. So we find that Kage Bunshin isn't totally what it's cracked up to be! And more confirmation as to why it's so forbidden.

6. In a way, I'm surprised that all this training has been revolving around Sasuke with basically no mention of the threat of the Akatsuki to Naruto. It's one of those little things that's been nagging at me in the back of my mind. Sure Sasuke is a kind of "threat", but he isn't going to be the one going to any lengths to capture him.

7. Yamato is still awesome in my eyes. Though I would have been a little sceptical if he had done that without getting winded...

8. Ah, Sakura... she's still suffering from the loss of Sasuke. It would have been so horrible to finally see him after all that time and then he just casually shrugs her off as if she never existed. Though that's expected, it still would have been hard for her to take after all those years thinking about him.

It's funny, but I sometimes see Sakura as now being even more lonely than Naruto was as a kid. She seems to have become similar to Naruto over the years too since Sasuke left. We see her acting so strong and confident on the outside, but then we see her crying alone like this in her room.

I can see her going the same way as Naruto and starting to work even harder for her goals. Naruto isn't Sasuke's only rival here.

On another note, here's a VERY interesting character analysis I found of Sakura on LJ that everyone may enjoy: http://sunsitenthai.livejournal.com/258828.html

9. Yeah, Sasuke is like a dream now. The person Konoha and team 7 once knew is long gone. The chances that we'll ever see Sasuke return is slim to none. I'd actually think Sasuke would rather die than go back. I'm not sure if he feels guilt for abandoning people like that, but Konoha would feel like a prison to him I'm sure.

10. Yay, Naruto! Now let's get to the jutsu making! :smile-big

The Fourth
August 21, 2006, 01:33 AM
great job GK
your comments made me hate this chapter less :)

I dont think that Asuma is going to die
if Kishi wouldnt hint that so much I would believe that he dies
but all these hinting reminds me of chouji when they were triing to take bac sasuke

xi0
August 21, 2006, 03:01 AM
I find myself a little suprised to see GK referring to the break up of Team 7 as tragic. The massacre of his family/clan by his brother's hands is extremely tragic, but other than Itachi, there are only two people who are responsible for what Sasuke has become. The first is obviously Sasuke himself and how he chose to deal with the trauma he went through as a child. We as readers still don't know much about how Sasuke lived from the time the Uchiha clan was slaughtered, up untill the start of the series, but we do know that Sasuke's personality is brooding and vengeful. You might be thinking that I'm being to hard on Sasuke for being who he is, but I think he probably did the best a child could do as the last remaining member of his clan in Konoha. There are so many routes I could take here to try to make excuses for Sasuke doing what he did, but the fact is that Sasuke is in many ways, a weakling. He obviously lacks the discipline or, more importantly, the loyalty to but his team and the village ahead of any vendetta he has.

Now I also mentioned someone else, besides Sasuke and Itachi, who are at fault for what Sasuke has grown into. This person is Kakashi. As a team leader to graduate Genins, you are to set an example and not only train your team physically and mentally, but emotionally. Team leaders are like teachers who are tasked with shaping young shinobi's minds. I think Kakashi could have done more with Sasuke, instead he only fed the flames and taught Sasuke how to unlock his Sharingan, and taught him powerful offensive techniques like Chidori. But most of all, Kakashi should probably know more than most what it is like to lose family member at a young age. His father committed suicide due to the shame he felt after failing a critical mission that cost Konoha dearly.

My whole thinking process here is going under the assumption that the Cursed Seal that Orochimaru gave Sasuke, has little or no effect on a persons mental health. For all we know the Cursed Seal could be such an advance technique, that it dramatically amplifies a persons thirst for power. Maybe how this person quenches this power is up to them (e.g. Anko), and maybe it isn't.

My main point here is that the break up of the original team 7 is not a tragedy, and doesn't need to be interpreted that way. Sasuke made the decision to leave Konoha, and he did it for selfish reasons. The real tragedy is that Naruto and Sakura can not get over him.

P.S. I hope this made some sense, I typed this at the last minute and I was tired.

SacredNic
August 21, 2006, 03:20 AM
Nice review GK. I dont normally have the patience to read long posts, but your one was well written and I agreed with what you were saying.

Will this be a regular thing for future chapters?

Tombadgerlock
August 21, 2006, 03:57 AM
Nice Review Gold Night.

I totaly agree with most of what you said, especiall the bit about Kakashi casualy mentionning Sasuke and how much better Sasuke is (when He had as much trouble wit te tree walking) to Naruto. The only detail is, we often see Kakashi manipulating people "for their own good", and i don't like it. There is always alternative methods, after all. And it breeds bad mentality.

kadoman
August 21, 2006, 05:01 AM
Awesome comments as usual GK! I look forward to your comments as much as the chapter, I think! Also, I lilke how your comments generally clarifies things in my own mind as well!

The only thing I'll say is that for once, I wasn't annoyed with Sakura (and I am always annoyed with her). Some people have complained these panels are a waste of space but I think it's a nice and timely reminder of what is obviously occupying their minds 24/7. I don't think we can underestimate how much Sasuke drives that part of the story right now, and it's testimony to his importance of character that even in his absence, he still propells the story. It's like the adults are concerned with the approaching Akatsuki danger and the kids (well, as represented by Naruto and Sakura) are concerned with Sasuke.

And I agree, it made me all nostalgic for the good old team days as well!

Luckas
August 21, 2006, 07:18 AM
Or Yamato has tapped into some natural underground river of some kind...?

Good idea. I think that could explain everything, Yamato created a waterfall connected to a natural source of water, which now flows in the waterfall. Probably in Konoha there should be a lot of water underground.

Gold Knight
August 21, 2006, 09:28 AM
@ LadyHatake



GK <333333

You're right, something's definentlly going to happen to Asuma.

I agree with you about yamato. It's refreshing to know that he's human like everyone else, and that he too can get tired. Up until now he's pretty much been like Superman.

Katy <3 Yeah, although there was that one time where Sai did (somehow) capture Yamato in a training exercise without Naruto's help, and then Sasuke caught him off guard with his sword. But for the most part, Yamato has been stellar. I'd probably want his powers the most if I was a Naruto character.


And like I said to you earlier, you might have something on the Kurenai/Akatsuki leader connection. I get the feeling that Kurenai's going to be a big part of the story, much bigger than she ever has been. And the eyes are the same. I find it hard to believe that eyes like that are very common.

I get that feeling as well.

@ Luckas04



Very good review as always.
I hope you'll find the motivation to make other Volume Reviews, I liked very much the first.

Don't worry, I fully plan on it.


It didn't impress me, but you make me reavalute it.

Then my review of the cover did its job well, I guess ;) Cool.


It's hard, but you can win your bet, the foreshadowing seems excessive, but it could also be that this time Kishimoto simply showed his cards without trying to mislead us. I'm curious, what do you think about Asuma and Kurenai?

Same as I feel about any other of the Naruto jounins that we're familiar with since the Chuunin Exams: intrigued. All of them seem like they have stories to tell. All of them seem like they'd be cool to watch in battle. That's one reason I like manga so much more than American comics - all the characters stand out.


I really would like to see that. Good job remembering that scene at the end of "Get back Sasuke", but I think that even Temari helped Shikamaru broke free from his "despair".

Temari's legs probably had more to do with that.... heh!


I don't know why, but I would be very surprised if this theory would be true.

It'd be a weird twist out of left field, I have to admit. Well, Kakashi mentioned something about abilities and skills being learned from studying the remains of corpses. Perhaps the Akatsuki Leader obtained a bloodline trait from Kurenai's family. That'd be a theory I wouldn't mind seeing coming true.


Probably Kishimoto didn't give much thought about that, but I think it's the jutsu itsel that redirect the water in some way after it was "casted". (Do you cast the jutsu? Is there a verb that was used in the manga?)

I think they just say "I'll do THAT jutsu." Perhaps "activate," though that sounds Power Ranger-ish... and I suppose since he can control water to start with (seemingly) it wouldn't be a hard task to do.


That scene answered a question asked many times.

Indeed! Especially in recent Ten Comments discussions! xD


That gives some insights, but don't solve the doubts. We can always hope in the future.

There's always something more in the Naruto series, though. I actually kinda like that. Keeps it interesting.


I liked the scene, but it diminished Naruto a little.

I'm sure Naruto IS feeling diminished after not being able to stop Sasuke at all back there.


Maybe, for Kakashi it's very difficult to train Naruto because they are so different, while Jiraya is more comfortable about this. I don't know if you heard about the dispute of which is the best teacher for Naruto?

Eh, it's an old dispute. I used to think Jiraiya was the perfect sensei for Naruto, but after seeing how he actually nearly got killed by Naruto's Kyuubi, I'm thinking that he wasn't all THAT bright a teacher. (Maybe too much like Naruto in that respect.)

So Kakashi is probably a safer bet. Even though he didn't really want to train Naruto, at least he tries, and he's got the patience to go with it. And he also recognizes when he had to try to help Naruto a bit more, at least.


Don't you think you are a little harsh about some characters. The parallel between Obito and Sakura is interesting, maybe in future we will see something along this line.

Maybe I did kind of overreact to Sakura's pages here. I guess I'm just tired of seeing her cry, especially over Sasuke.


I like your idea of the dream, and me too I don't see Sasuke come back to team 7, but I really can't imagine how Kishimoto will solve the relation between naruto and Sasuke.

Complicated situation, to be sure.



I think Yamato is at the centre of pillars circle and awake.

Looked to me like Yamato was in the sleeping bag next to Kakashi when Naruto snuck off. Anyway, thanks for commenting :)

@ graphic_content



some really great points you bring up GK -

the one thing the weighed heavily on my mind was this issue of "the king" that Asuma discussed very briefly with Shikamaru - who was 'the king'??? ( I dont know if this was discussed in another topic - so please excuse me)

My thoughts on what Asuma meant by the "King" (as you can see from my Ten Comments on that chapter) was that he was referring to what was his own father's "King" - "everybody in the village." It varies according to the individual's precious people. Asuma's "King" might be Kurenai. Shikamaru's "King" might be the team he leads on his missions. After all, if your precious person is checkmated, you usually lose the battle. But that's just my opinion.


it finally dawned on me after a couple of read-throughs that 'the king' very well might be Konoha, and that as shinobi of Konoha it was there responsiblity to give their life for it, as 'The Third' once did. Asuma, realizing his calling to answer that responsibility has now resolved to protect Konoha with his very life - if need be. And his sudden change in demeanor has caused his friends, and more dramatically, Kurenai - to worry.


Haha, yeah, exactly. ;) Looks like we agree here!

@ kiddo7



Well well wel, once again great chapter and great comments. And let me just start by noting the first thing that stood out to me in this chapter;
Is it only me, or does Kurenai actually look younger in this one than in part one? There was something very different about the way she was drawn.

Kishimoto probably was just trying to make her sex appeal a little more obvious for this particular scene. The Kurenai we saw back in Kakashi's hospital room was more aloof and all business minded, but in this chapter we see her being comfortable and being at ease. Sometimes that's when women are at their prettiest, when they're absorbed into something.


I have to say though I really loved the scene where kakashi had yamato "extend the bridge" YOur comments on it where pretty good too.
I personally would also have comented on the fact that Kakashi was the one who asked him to do it (same whisper in the ear deal as the first time). I kinda have a theory on how this went down...
Kakashi, after telling naruto there is nothing that can be done begins to think that maybe that lazy bum yamato is not working hard enough so he sees if cracking a whip to his ass can inspire him a little. He decides to ask him if he can say maybe double the length without collapsing from fatigue. Yamato on the other hand hears this request and thinks to himself wow this kakashi sure likes to show off with other peoples skills, I am doing all the work here and he is taking all the credit! Now to top it off he is insulting me by sking if I can manage such a simple task.(this reaction is a crazy extrapolation derived from the expression on his face) I'll show you what I can do, Take that! then he proceeds to make space for a thousand more bunshins and nearly faints in the process. Kakashi thinks to himself, ha, just as I expected get em every time. then he goes on to tease yamato with the lines provided by kishimoto sensei.

now tell me if you think this is not most likely the way things went down. >)

Hmm. I don't think Kakashi is that evil. XD I think he was actually aware of Yamato's limitations and knew it would be asking a lot of him, but if he suggested it to him, he would definitely try because it was Kakashi asking him. That's why he held off in telling him until then.



Then off course there was the great moment at the end when Naruto finnaly cuts the water. For me it did not become apparent what he was trying to do until the very moment he accomplished it. then I was like "of course! why didnt I see that from the beginning? I mean everybody knows thats the way to cut waterfalls" then When I begin to think that Naruto understood this one right away and I didn't (and apparently neither did a few more of us here at the forums) I begin to wonder what that implies about my inteligence? *blushes*

Well, it's not every day we're thinking about cutting a waterfall in half. Don't worry about it. I think a lot of us were confused as well, including myself. ;)


And finnaly, Don't even mess with Mosses You don't even want to start there is just no comparisson. This kidd only severd a waterfall probably 15-20 meters high and a few hundred meters wide. But he used over a thousand bunshuins to do it and he did not keep it seperated for a long time.
Mosses, on the other hand, seperated the waters of the dead sea and I dont know if you have looked at an atlas recently and compared its relative size to any body of water that you are familiar with. but not just that he did it all by himself, and he kept it seperated until tens of thousands of people walked across with their cattle and what not.
When it comes to cutting water, Mosses pwns all!
He's my boy!


Hahah. XD Yeah, that caption wasn't meant to be serious. But I agree, Moses does pwn Naruto still. But it's a start ;)

@ ヒューゴ



if yamato was supressing the chakra wouldnt it be noticeble, i mean naruto has not gone berserk or gotten to a point that you start to see his kyubbi chakra pouring out, so wat i basically think is that yamato has done nothing during the training to suppress narutos chakra, he is only there if it gets out of control. besides making the waterfall and all the other earth stuff he has done nothing that would indicate that he is suppressing the chakra. i mean he just stands there in the circle with his hand sticking out just in case naruto decides to go kyubbi. not to say that yamato is a good for nothing, he is one of the most interesting ANBU members out there besides Kakashi and ex-ANBU member Itachi


I'd have to agree with kiddo7, Yamato *is* suppressing the Kyuubi the whole time Naruto is training. I doubt he'd have his arm up so constantly otherwise as it only would take a moment for him to lift it from a more relaxed position.

@ Raine_Joybringer



*pops up* Here I am ^_^

Hi! So nice for you to make the trip here from the Toshokan :D


I gotta say, I really enjoyed this chapter than the other more recent ones. I suppose it's because this is one of the most human chapters I've ever read in a manga.

I gotta say I do love Naruto for that kinda stuff. The dialogue, the characters, the drama all really strike a chord with me as far as feeling realistic.


1. I just adore these kinds of covers with this scope of view. It really takes a talented artist to set something liket that up. The crumbs make me giggle though. Maybe that hamburger next to him wasn't very good? :tem

That was funny to me XD He probably just swallows it without chewing, too. Something I always wondered about was whether Naruto really needs to replenish his energy with food so much, since he's got the Kyuubi inside him.


2. The tension that Kishimoto has created over the last few chapters with this really makes you doubt if Asuma is going to come out of this alive or not... I was talking to a friend not that long ago and he had speculated on there being a character death soon too. I'm starting to think he's right. We've been shown so much of Asuma lately that there's no doubt that there's been some kind of appreciation created for him amongst the readers. I've noticed in a lot of series how this is built up then suddenly cut off to make people feel sad. In a way, this feels almost a lot like the way Haku's death was set up.

I'd actually be a little cheesed off if we found that Asuma's team didn't even meet up with Hidan and Kakuzu, and the other teams did and got destroyed. I'm sure that this meeting is fated.

Yeah, I agree that they'll meet. I don't know yet about a character death being inevitable, though, as I said.


3. The water confused me too. I presumed it was a fountain like you said. Or Yamato has tapped into some natural underground river of some kind...?

Can't think of any better explanation than that. :)


4. I thought he meant to cut the entire cliff in half too... maybe that's the next step? :p

You mean he's about to destroy Yamato's beautiful masterpiece? ;_; Noes...!!!


5. So we find that Kage Bunshin isn't totally what it's cracked up to be! And more confirmation as to why it's so forbidden.

It'd be a little scary if 1000 Bunshins could be able to charge at you all armed with a Rasengan at any time, I suppose. Notice all the bunshins disappeared when Naruto was charging up his Rasengan against Sasuke in their first fight - he probably needed to draw the chakra from them for that. (Without falling back on the Kyuubi's "red chakra.")


6. In a way, I'm surprised that all this training has been revolving around Sasuke with basically no mention of the threat of the Akatsuki to Naruto. It's one of those little things that's been nagging at me in the back of my mind. Sure Sasuke is a kind of "threat", but he isn't going to be the one going to any lengths to capture him.

Well, I think the Akatsuki are in the back of their minds since they all know that according to Jiraiya's information, they'll be attacking Konohagakure soon (and in fact they already did to a degree). It's normal for Naruto to only remember the last thing that happened (Sasuke) over the stuff that happened before that (Gaara's near-death).

Also, if Naruto could get Sasuke back to Team 7 or Konohagakure, that's another ally to help out.


7. Yamato is still awesome in my eyes. Though I would have been a little sceptical if he had done that without getting winded...

Yeah. He wasn't able to create a cabin that night, I bet. XD


8. Ah, Sakura... she's still suffering from the loss of Sasuke. It would have been so horrible to finally see him after all that time and then he just casually shrugs her off as if she never existed. Though that's expected, it still would have been hard for her to take after all those years thinking about him.

It's funny, but I sometimes see Sakura as now being even more lonely than Naruto was as a kid. She seems to have become similar to Naruto over the years too since Sasuke left. We see her acting so strong and confident on the outside, but then we see her crying alone like this in her room.

I can see her going the same way as Naruto and starting to work even harder for her goals. Naruto isn't Sasuke's only rival here.

On another note, here's a VERY interesting character analysis I found of Sakura on LJ that everyone may enjoy: http://sunsitenthai.livejournal.com/258828.html

That was a rather interesting analysis you just made of Sakura yourself there. Much better than my comments. There's something to what you said to her feeling more lonely than Naruto at the moment. You may be right. :)


9. Yeah, Sasuke is like a dream now. The person Konoha and team 7 once knew is long gone. The chances that we'll ever see Sasuke return is slim to none. I'd actually think Sasuke would rather die than go back. I'm not sure if he feels guilt for abandoning people like that, but Konoha would feel like a prison to him I'm sure.

Nicely said and I agree.


10. Yay, Naruto! Now let's get to the jutsu making! :smile-big


Go Naruto! :D

@ The Fourth



great job GK
your comments made me hate this chapter less :)

I dont think that Asuma is going to die
if Kishi wouldnt hint that so much I would believe that he dies
but all thins hinting reminds me of chouji when they were triing to take bac sasuke


True, Kishimoto WAS trying very hard to fool us all in thinking Chouji (and Neji, too) were both going to die. Good point.


@ xi0



I find myself a little suprised to see GK referring to the break up of Team 7 as tragic. The massacre of his family/clan by his brother's hands is extremely tragic, but other than Itachi, there are only two people who are responsible for what Sasuke has become. The first is obviously Sasuke himself and how he chose to deal with the trauma he went through as a child. We as readers still don't know much about how Sasuke lived from the time the Uchiha clan was slaughtered, up untill the start of the series, but we do know that Sasuke's personality is brooding and vengeful. You might be thinking that I'm being to hard on Sasuke for being who he is, but I think he probably did the best a child could do as the last remaining member of his clan in Konoha. There are so many routes I could take here to try to make excuses for Sasuke doing what he did, but the fact is that Sasuke is in many ways, a weakling. He obviously lacks the discipline or, more importantly, the loyalty to but his team and the village ahead of any vendetta he has.

"I think he probably did the best a child could do as the last remaining member of his clan in Konoha." <--- there's something to that. Weakling is a harsh word though. It's pretty hard for any kid to survive that kind of emotional crisis without losing some sanity. Sasuke, in order to stay sane, concentrated on revenge.


Now I also mentioned someone else, besides Sasuke and Itachi, who are at fault for what Sasuke has grown into. This person is Kakashi. As a team leader to graduate Genins, you are to set an example and not only train your team physically and mentally, but emotionally. Team leaders are like teachers who are tasked with shaping young shinobi's minds. I think Kakashi could have done more with Sasuke, instead he only fed the flames and taught Sasuke how to unlock his Sharingan, and taught him powerful offensive techniques like Chidori. But most of all, Kakashi should probably know more than most what it is like to lose family member at a young age. His father committed suicide due to the shame he felt after failing a critical mission that cost Konoha dearly.

Kakashi, from the moment that Sasuke said that his goal was to "kill somebody," knew that subject was something that could only be approached delicately especially as Sasuke had just met him. There's something to be said for good timing. In Sasuke's case, I don't think Kakashi ever really got that opportunity. Not to mention they were both in a coma for quite a while in Part 1. Kakashi did try at the last minute to convince Sasuke to change his path, though, when he realized what had happened. It just was too late.


My whole thinking process here is going under the assumption that the Cursed Seal that Orochimaru gave Sasuke, has little or no effect on a persons mental health. For all we know the Cursed Seal could be such an advance technique, that it dramatically amplifies a persons thirst for power. Maybe how this person quenches this power is up to them (e.g. Anko), and maybe it isn't.

You might be right, we still don't really have much information on it at all, unfortunately.


My main point here is that the break up of the original team 7 is not a tragedy, and doesn't need to be interpreted that way. Sasuke made the decision to leave Konoha, and he did it for selfish reasons. The real tragedy is that Naruto and Sakura can not get over him.

That's sorta what I meant by the way. ;)


P.S. I hope this made some sense, I typed this at the last minute and I was tired.


No problem, your post was very nicely written :)

@ SacredNic



Nice review GK. I dont normally have the patience to read long posts, but your one was well written and I agreed with what you were saying.

Will this be a regular thing for future chapters?


Yeah, the Ten Comments has been a weekly thing for me since chapter 300 here at Mangahelpers. It probably will be until the winter at least. :) ( And even then, I'll try to keep it up. ) I'm glad you enjoyed them ^^

@ Tombadgerlock



Nice Review Gold Night.

I totaly agree with most of what you said, especiall the bit about Kakashi casualy mentionning Sasuke and how much better Sasuke is (when He had as much trouble wit te tree walking) to Naruto. The only detail is, we often see Kakashi manipulating people "for their own good", and i don't like it. There is always alternative methods, after all. And it breeds bad mentality.


Hm. I actually don't think Kakashi meant it as manipulation, but that could be true. Well, it got the job done here, anyway... :kkbook

Well, teaching is mostly manipulation, when you get down to it. You're trying to find the right buttons to push.

@ Kadoman



Awesome comments as usual GK! I look forward to your comments as much as the chapter, I think! Also, I lilke how your comments generally clarifies things in my own mind as well!

Yay! :glomp


The only thing I'll say is that for once, I wasn't annoyed with Sakura (and I am always annoyed with her). Some people have complained these panels are a waste of space but I think it's a nice and timely reminder of what is obviously occupying their minds 24/7. I don't think we can underestimate how much Sasuke drives that part of the story right now, and it's testimony to his importance of character that even in his absence, he still propells the story. It's like the adults are concerned with the approaching Akatsuki danger and the kids (well, as represented by Naruto and Sakura) are concerned with Sasuke.

And I agree, it made me all nostalgic for the good old team days as well!


Yeah, I suppose so. I guess I just wanted to see Sakura cuss at Sasuke, slap him, and walk away and forget all about him, but oh well :crying

;)

Thanks all for commenting, I <3 you guys!

Tombadgerlock
August 21, 2006, 09:49 AM
"Well, teaching is mostly manipulation, when you get down to it. You're trying to find the right buttons to push." <== There is also leading by impression, or other alternate methods. It's just that maniulating people in order to teach them, especially when the person then has to lead them into actual combat, is something that i consider unealthy: it gives bad habit to kakashi, until he sees just tools ad no longer people though that may be what a shinobi is, after all.

Gold Knight
August 21, 2006, 10:00 AM
"Well, teaching is mostly manipulation, when you get down to it. You're trying to find the right buttons to push." <== There is also leading by impression, or other alternate methods. It's just that maniulating people in order to teach them, especially when the person then has to lead them into actual combat, is something that i consider unealthy: it gives bad habit to kakashi, until he sees just tools ad no longer people though that may be what a shinobi is, after all.


Agreed, but I do think Kakashi had Naruto's best interests in mind here.

Luckas
August 21, 2006, 10:23 AM
@ Luckas04

Don't worry, I fully plan on it.That is a very good news.


Then my review of the cover did its job well, I guess ;) Cool.Normally, I don't give much attention to the drawning, so yes you indeed accomplish an incredible feat :D


Temari's legs probably had more to do with that.... heh!This is surely a fascinating point of view :D


It'd be a weird twist out of left field, I have to admit. Well, Kakashi mentioned something about abilities and skills being learned from studying the remains of corpses. Perhaps the Akatsuki Leader obtained a bloodline trait from Kurenai's family. That'd be a theory I wouldn't mind seeing coming true.I don't feel like trying to predict about this. :eyeroll


I'm sure Naruto IS feeling diminished after not being able to stop Sasuke at all back there.Good point, I was really surprised there would be so much difference between Naruto and Sasuke, if Kishimoto will not elaborate that a bit I will be really disappointed.


Eh, it's an old dispute. I used to think Jiraiya was the perfect sensei for Naruto, but after seeing how he actually nearly got killed by Naruto's Kyuubi, I'm thinking that he wasn't all THAT bright a teacher. (Maybe too much like Naruto in that respect.)

So Kakashi is probably a safer bet. Even though he didn't really want to train Naruto, at least he tries, and he's got the patience to go with it. And he also recognizes when he had to try to help Naruto a bit more, at least.I think Jiraya is a good teacher for Naruto, for now Kishimoto didn't seem to have thought much about what happened in timeskip during Naruto's training. I hope he'll clear things soon.


Maybe I did kind of overreact to Sakura's pages here. I guess I'm just tired of seeing her cry, especially over Sasuke.Just different opinions, I believed it was a very logical development.


Looked to me like Yamato was in the sleeping bag next to Kakashi when Naruto snuck off.In the panel you posted at the end of your 9 point I believe I can see a figure at the centre of the pillars circle. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7402/commentfinaluc9.jpg


Anyway, thanks for commenting :)Thank you for your awesome Ten Comments.

Gold Knight
August 21, 2006, 10:55 AM
This is surely a fascinating point of view :D



Haha, that made me laugh.



In the panel you posted at the end of your 9 point I believe I can see a figure at the centre of the pillars circle. http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7402/commentfinaluc9.jpg
Thank you for your awesome Ten Comments.


Ah! I wasn't talking about in the morning, I was talking about when Naruto snuck off from his sleeping bag at nightime to try to practice some more. Everybody was awake when Naruto finally accomplished his feat.

I can see where I confused you though.

ibra87
August 21, 2006, 10:57 AM
Nice comments as always GK :D

One thing I dont understand though. The scanlation I had said the next chapter was called (or maybe is about) The jutsu's true form? My bad, that was last chapter, heh.

yeste
August 21, 2006, 01:09 PM
Please enjoy and comment away when you have time.

As always!!! Nice new avatar, your artwork??? Has some sort of mystique look!!!
OK, now to comment on comments…


1. A Face of Determination! Heh, I liked this cover. Kishimoto has a knack for "fish-eye perspective," where it looks as though you're seeing the characters through the bottom of a glass.

I like this!!! IMO this looks very interesting, and when awesome ppl here do their coloring, covers drawn this way do look great!!!! Also after so many chapters where Naruto was on the cover, this angle brings out something new… He should do this more often…


2. Something's Gonna Happen. The chapter opens and takes us back to where we left off at the last one, with Asuma's team about to set off on their mission to the Fire Temple. There's a moment of silence as the party leader stares towards a window with an almost resigned look on his face, just before he says "somebody's got to do it," and takes off. Of course, who else but Kurenai would have inside, albeit regrettably distracted by a book until it was too late and Asuma had already gone.

I must say that I really did enjoy this scene… And another one in this chap, but that later… This was a great moment! Very well drawn IMO, loved the angles that were used to guide us trough this “moment of silence”! The whole idea was just great. How the panels go from outside around Asuma’s team, to the exterior of a buildings, focusing on a plant, and then again that plant in focus from the inside of Kurenai’s place with Asumas team in the distance, and her in the spotlight looking worried… Awesome scene!!! To tell you the truth, this is becoming one of my favorites… And, it will look so good animated!!! So good!!!



Crackhead Theory: Here's my Narutard theory of the week. Bear in mind that it comes with a disclaimer as I'm usually more often than not wrong, but here goes anyway! Could it be that the Akatsuki Leader is a relative of Kurenai? The eyes certainly match, as you can see in the image I provided above. Might that be the reason Asuma wanted to talk to Kakashi and didn't want Kurenai to know what was going on. Could we be seeing the Akatsuki Leader being revealed, at long last, in this storyline? That'd be fun.

This is also one of the all time favorite theories discussed a great deal of time… Ever since Inane did that Eye trick with the leaders eyes, drawing a sharingan, confusing fans even more!!! The eyes of Aka leader are somewhat famous. And they do look a lot like Kurenai’s eyes!!!

Solid wild card theory GK!!! Could work… But then again, with this kind of theories, you just never know ‘till the end, right? Still, it makes scense… Could be… :smile


3. Unnatural Training. Somebody brought up this before in a previous Comments, but this chapter really made me wonder about it as well. Where in the world does all that water come from on a constant basis? It's almost as if Yamato also possesses, in addition to his Mokuton ability, the special ability of the Nidaime (as well as Kisame) to create great excesses of water out of nothing, although the waterfall here does seem to come from the ground.

Hmmm, interesting! Never really thought about that… Well, I guess writing it down as one of those mind over materie won’t work, damn!!! Weird ha? Don’t really know what I think about this yet…

But, in addition to the two previously mentioned, another time something like this was presented ( similar thing anyway )!!! I thing that in the Oro – Sandaime fight, one of the ANBU’s commented on a thing like that, when Sandaime used water technique, that he is the real master of all jutsus cause he can use water techniques of such magnitude at a place where there’s no water at all… I’m pretty sure this was in the anime, don’t know about the manga, but I’ll check it out… Still, interesting point to add ( if it is true) to this discussion…


This skill could also be useful for revealing any enemies hiding behind any such imperceptible cover, though. And to keep enemies at bay. Imagine if Zabuza tried to sneak up on Naruto in his usual heavy, dense fog now; all the orange boy would have to do send a "wind slash" all around to protect himself from an attack. He'd only be vulnerable from the air or the ground.

Pffffffffffff, I cant tell if you are sarcastic on this one or not!?!!! Don’t know you that well… Yeap, it could be used that way, but somehow, I cant picture this happening…


Next he'll be trying to catch air with his hands.

Damn it, this line confused me even more… You were being sarcastic, right???


He really does need to strategize a little more before entering a battle; it's looking like spur-of-the-moment improvisation is more of a double-edged sword for him.

We keep getting more and more info on the Kage Bunshins!!! And the more info we get, the more we know WHY it IS considered a forbidden junin level jutsu!!! With this side effects, no wonder ninjas avoid using this technique… But it still fits Kuuybi Boy great, cause the side effects really don’t hit him that hard… He can take them!!!

Yes, the strategy!!! Regardless of what many think, his battle strategy is improved very much… And his use of Kage Bunshins… Remember, even Kakashi said so… But then again, that’s only when he’s acting normal(!?!!). When he’s acting like well Naruto, all strategy goes away, and behold the awesome misuse of the raw power!!! ( Yamato:” Finding the opening is the problem, not the level!!!”)


6. A Rivalry Renewed! Heh, after Naruto proclaimed that he needed to surpass Sasuke, I suddenly got nostalgic. Whatever happened to the good old days where Sasuke would be so frustrated by Naruto's quick growth? And now the tables have turned - Naruto, instead, is now playing catch up once again. I suppose that's the way most manga work - whenever a protagonist has an arch-rival, it's usually a nose-to-nose duel down the homestretch.

Nicely said!!! It’s a cat and mouse game, this level ups with the main characters…



Makes me also think that Yamato is somewhat subconsciously trying to impress Kakashi by trying to shrug it off as nothing too exhausting (would've been more convincing if he hadn't been panting so hard and had both hands on the ground, tho!) Well, I suppose he does seemingly idolize him, after all (not that it's so surprising ).

Kakashi, behold my awesomeness!!!!!! He,he,he!!!!! Yamato doesn’t need to impress anyone. He’s pretty cool as is!!! But still, a great moment!!! Also, this just goes to show us that Konoha junins have very different image of Kakashi than the one we’ve grown accustom to. Looks like we know him better then them… ( I’m beginning to drift, do I… :p)

And it is always nice to see adults behaving like children!!!


Missing Sasuke-poo.

*looks at my sig, looks at the pic from NBST… looks at my sig again*
GK, why didn’t you use my ultra fanart for this!?!!! Ahhhh, the pain… The agony…

:p JoKiNg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Hmmmmmm, Sakura…. Maybe someday I’ll tell you how I really feel about Sakura, but that has to be one bad day, and today isn’t one…


9. Only a Dream... Or Is It? We see Naruto clearly wanting things to be like they once were when the original Team 7 were still together, as he dreams about that possibility a little bit at night.

Again I must say what a great piece of artwork in this chapter… The birth of a wishing star!!! Awesome Kishi!!! Another thing that will look good animated!!! Blahhhhhhh, it looks great now!!!!!!!!


Anyway, with this stage of the training over, what's next? I think it's time for Naruto to finally get to the real goal - inventing a totally new jutsu. For some strange reason, I think it might actually also involve "yin-and-yang manipulation" of which Yamato mentioned a few chapters ago. They still gotta explain that, after all. Guess we'll see.

Somehow, this traning looks like it will take forever to finish, and I just want to see more… More… What will happen??? What will this jutsu be like???

We got so many infos so far, and still we haven’t seen anything that will lead us to predict what will jutsu be like once when it’s mastered!!! Damn it, Kishimoto’s storytelling is just like that… As you said, always leaving us wanting to see what will happen next!!!


Hope you enjoyed, and looking forward to seeing what you think!

Don't sneak off without commenting...!

GK, you always seem to shade new light to the chapter… And by reading your comments this few weeks, I seem to have enjoyed the chapters even more. And they made me rethink some of the things from different perspective!!! What a great piece of review is supposed to do IMO!!!

Great work, as always!!! Just keep them coming…

Anax
August 22, 2006, 02:22 AM
Hey, Phil, it's been a while since I last comented on your comments... I was ready to "leave it for later" (haven't slept all night) when Kakashi reminded me not to try and sneak off :darn Please allow me to post without reading anything but the first post, because I don't want to be influenced, among other things...

1.) I liked how you brought the crumbs up, it was something that completely evaded me. This is the second or third cover including Naruto since this training has been mentioned. It gives me the feeling that Kishimoto is really focusing on Naruto and his growing determination. He surely doesn't seem all that relaxed and cheerful as in the chapter with Kakashi when this training was but a theory, ne?

The perspective matter is also something I was glad you mentioned, since I've always enjoyed it and was hoping people didn't just pass it by. I'm especially fond of Kakashi drawn in this angle with the camera being under him, it just gives him a "Kishimoto feel" (or I'm just being weird).

2.) First of all, my opinion is that Asuma will not die! In the same way as Gaara was Naruto's soul brother, Asuma has Kurenai to return to. Even though that's what I believe, Kishimoto will not let me, you, or anyone for that matter rest easy. If Kishimoto is planning to scare us, at least as far as I'm concerned, he's doing a fine job... Asuma could be our Aerith, Kishimoto CAN build on his relationship with Kurenai, he can build on his character with flashbacks and interaction with other characters, but what's worse is that he CAN make a martyr out of him, a brave fallen hero :crying

Now, thanks for the reminder on Shikamaru, I had totally forgotten about it... looks like a ray of hope for me :D
Hopefully Shikamaru (who won against Asuma in their game of shojo) will prove a good enough strategist to save his pawns? Hope dies last!

3.) Just like most of us, I too thought of this, but then again I said to myself: "Let's not be so harsh on Kishimoto sensei, someone on MH will surely come up with a very good explanation". Personally I went with the "fountain" one, despite the apparent chakra consumption, since that particular aspect of Naruto seems to be quite flexible (in the same way people in westerns may shoot more than 12 times without reloading and be out of bullets only 3 shots after a reload if the plot dictates so).

4.) Nice comment on Zabuza, although in my eyes Naruto would only be able to merely clear some of the fog, and since the fog was a jutsu, I'm guessing his field of view wouldn't clear for long. As for finding hidden enemies, I think it's a close to mid range technique so it wouldn't be so useful against an ambush, but I digress as this nature manipulation didn't live up to my standards and I'm somewhat biased. Actually, "so much for a battle a tech" where my thoughts when I first saw this... I just hope there's more to it.

5.) For one I thing stamina isn't a set number as in RPGs, rather a value affected by one's health, morale, determination, and their overal condition. With Naruto at least, Kishimoto has been consistent, in that the mass clones usually do a henge at most. Usually Naruto uses his mass clones to fight with physical attacks.
Now, this comment should be in your previous week's comments but what the hell... the reason I think Naruto never fainted so far because of his mass clones is that he never had them stress their minds to acquire mental fatigue, nor did they stay active for long. Most -if not all- of the times Naruto used Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, he used his clones for taijutsu and they didn't last long... he either released the jutsu soon after performing it or the enemy obliterated them in not time (see the Kimimaro fight), so the clones didn't have enough time to stress their brains.

6.) Naruto is doing well to worry about his progress since he was left behind after all, although Sasuke was doped. Somehow I don't think Kakashi had faith in him though, especially when he said it took Sasuke several days to learn nature manipulation himself. From my perspective Kakashi just didn't want to push Naruto anymore than he already has, and actually didn't believe Naruto would make it so soon, because he just can't get it in his head that Naruto is a genius of hard work, and using the mass clones is hard work. To tell the truth I'm kind of bitter with Kakashi, being so surprised with Naruto's progress just the day before and then returning to his old biased self overnight... I just hope Naruto manages to leave both of his sensei's speachless with his progress and the new jutsu. This kid is worth some recognition from the person he admires and I hope he finally gets it...

P.S.: Icha Icha Paradise is getting old. Too old. Plus Kakashi is taking ages to finish just one novel, and don't tell me he doesn't have time because he reads even in the middle of serious training! Come to think of it, maybe that's what Jiraiya's been doing all these arcs, spying on the Akatsuki and writing Icha Icha Paradise. That or Kakashi is going over his old volumes again :darn

7.) Finally! If Kishimoto was a lurker around these places he should have known better than anyone that Yamato's abilities where becoming too Alice-in-wonderland-like! But again I bow to Kishimoto for his way of showing us, using a small Kakashi-Yamato interaction, making the latter seem like he's trying to impress the former, it's just priceless :grin

8,9.) We definately agree on this one! Sakura has always resembled a butterfly in Part II for me, something that desperately needed to be done since she was more or less useless in her larvae state :darn Now she has "super strength" (a result of astounding micro chakra control) and amazing medical skills, which I'm sure she'll put to good use in the upcoming battles and show people that from Guts to Kenshin, and from Zoro to Naruto, fighters need doctors!

Concerning her reactions though I have mixed feelings... you can either call her emo and look down on her, or call her an adult who faces reality head on, but can only take so much of pain. Actually, I've always thought that Kishimoto was stressing the Team 7 bond too much, that Naruto was exaggerating with all that talk about saving Sasuke and that Sakura shouldn't be her childish, love smitten self when Sasuke was being so serious. I always thought that Naruto and Sakure rushed to idealize Sasuke when he left and ended up making a dream character out of him. How could Naruto of all people be so blind towards Sasuke's power hungry nature I just don't understand... worse yet I don't see what Sakura saw in him that was worth falling for.

On another note, I have come to realize that if I am to accept Kishimoto's characters as they are, then I just don't understand what Sasuke means to them AT ALL! So I can't put myself neither in Naruto's nor in Sakura's shoes when they met Sasuke and consequently I can't judge those reactions, because to me they are a mystery! Anyway, as I said I have come to accept those characters as they are (among many other characters and many other things). Sakura's sadness combined with Naruto's late night reverie further intensify the overal gloomy, ominous feel of this chapter despite the author's atempt to lighten it up with Naruto's succes at the end.

10.) Again, we agree completely on the story telling department, it's just great :grin

Concerning the new jutsu, I also wanted to say that it's been the goal of this training since the beginning and we shouldn't lose focus of it, but I won't be making any predictions other than, Kishimoto keeping up with his two leveled story telling, showing both Naruto's progress and any hot events at the same time...

In closing, I want to thank you, Phil, for another great 10 comments! They've become a weekly treat and you're getting better at this with every new chapter :D It's a great way to take in the events of each chapter and also tie them to all that's happened so far. Keep it up :ossu

shinwei
August 22, 2006, 10:59 AM
So I've had a pretty hectic week and didn't get a chance to read this until now, and I also don't have enough time to read all three pages of comments, so I apologize.

I liked this chapter. Also like your comments.

Naruto's determination and ultimate success is forever the winning formula. It's just way more satisfying than the bad guy getting away at the last minute.

But I also want to talk about Yamato. This guy can do... wayyyy too much - yet he couldn't defend against Sasuke's thrust, while Sai defended successfully. What's up with that? Does Yamato just suck at taijutsu, but rock at ninjutsu or something?

The Fourth
August 23, 2006, 08:51 AM
I had a thought today
maybe its stupid maybe its been mentioned before but anyway

we dont really know the members of the 80 nins except Asumas group
and maybe Ibiki so I think Kishi would kill them if it is needed without a second thought

and Asumas team went to the only place that Im sure they wont meet Kakuzu and Hidan,the temple

so what I think is they will be the only members of the 80 nins alive when they meet the 2 aka members

what do you think? :notrust

Tombadgerlock
August 23, 2006, 09:19 AM
That could explain the "nightmare" thing, but Asuma is pretty strong, and there is at least twenty menbers as strong as him. Hard to beat. Beside, one of the two akatsuki menbers make a 30 minutes long ceremony, so...It would take at least two days of non stop fighting to kill them, which would be pretty hard to pull off, given that there are limits to chakra reserves. Of course, kishimoto may forget things as stupid as logic :p

venicia777
August 23, 2006, 06:03 PM
That could explain the "nightmare" thing, but Asuma is pretty strong, and there is at least twenty menbers as strong as him. Hard to beat. Beside, one of the two akatsuki menbers make a 30 minutes long ceremony, so...It would take at least two days of non stop fighting to kill them, which would be pretty hard to pull off, given that there are limits to chakra reserves. Of course, kishimoto may forget things as stupid as logic :p
we saw kakuzu and hidan rush into the temple to fight. and then at the end most of the monks were dead. To my eyes the ceremony affected only chiriku, his posture was that of if i remember Yuugito's. So it seems to me the Hidan ceremony is not for just anyone- but rather for those strong ones they meet.

and i really dont believe there are about 20 people in that 4-man 20 teams as strong as Asuma-sensei. Wow!!! I dont think Tsunade has soo many strong ninjas to spare like that.

Rampages
August 23, 2006, 06:04 PM
Well we know that the leader from each of the 20 squads would at least be Jounin level ^^

Gold Knight
August 23, 2006, 10:25 PM
As always!!! Nice new avatar, your artwork??? Has some sort of mystique look!!!
OK, now to comment on comments…

No, not my artwork, but cool fanart nevertheless for sure :amuse ^^


I must say that I really did enjoy this scene… And another one in this chap, but that later… This was a great moment! Very well drawn IMO, loved the angles that were used to guide us trough this “moment of silence”! The whole idea was just great. How the panels go from outside around Asuma’s team, to the exterior of a buildings, focusing on a plant, and then again that plant in focus from the inside of Kurenai’s place with Asumas team in the distance, and her in the spotlight looking worried… Awesome scene!!! To tell you the truth, this is becoming one of my favorites… And, it will look so good animated!!! So good!!!

Hmm.. I'm not as keen on the "director's angles" here actually, as the feeling of parting somewhat felt forced and cliche to me. I did like when Kurenai looked up and towards the window after they had left, though.



But, in addition to the two previously mentioned, another time something like this was presented ( similar thing anyway )!!! I thing that in the Oro – Sandaime fight, one of the ANBU’s commented on a thing like that, when Sandaime used water technique, that he is the real master of all jutsus cause he can use water techniques of such magnitude at a place where there’s no water at all… I’m pretty sure this was in the anime, don’t know about the manga, but I’ll check it out… Still, interesting point to add ( if it is true) to this discussion…

Nidaime, actually. ^^


Pffffffffffff, I cant tell if you are sarcastic on this one or not!?!!! Don’t know you that well… Yeap, it could be used that way, but somehow, I cant picture this happening…

A wind slash? It REALLY is a dangerous weapon, just look at what Baku did to Hayate, and he saw it coming. Within the mist, Zabuza would have to be incredibly aware of what Naruto's doing in order to avoid what's coming, if he knew at all that he would be able to do it.


Damn it, this line confused me even more… You were being sarcastic, right???

That time, yes :p


We keep getting more and more info on the Kage Bunshins!!! And the more info we get, the more we know WHY it IS considered a forbidden junin level jutsu!!! With this side effects, no wonder ninjas avoid using this technique… But it still fits Kuuybi Boy great, cause the side effects really don’t hit him that hard… He can take them!!!

Yes, the strategy!!! Regardless of what many think, his battle strategy is improved very much… And his use of Kage Bunshins… Remember, even Kakashi said so… But then again, that’s only when he’s acting normal(!?!!). When he’s acting like well Naruto, all strategy goes away, and behold the awesome misuse of the raw power!!! ( Yamato:” Finding the opening is the problem, not the level!!!”)

Just imagine if Shikamaru had been the one to learn Kage Bunshin. He'd be amazing.


Nicely said!!! It’s a cat and mouse game, this level ups with the main characters…

A little bit, yeah. I guess Sasuke would be the cat here.


Kakashi, behold my awesomeness!!!!!! He,he,he!!!!! Yamato doesn’t need to impress anyone. He’s pretty cool as is!!! But still, a great moment!!! Also, this just goes to show us that Konoha junins have very different image of Kakashi than the one we’ve grown accustom to. Looks like we know him better then them… ( I’m beginning to drift, do I… :p)

And it is always nice to see adults behaving like children!!!

True enough. I still think Kishimoto does a better job of writing the adults than the kids.


*looks at my sig, looks at the pic from NBST… looks at my sig again*
GK, why didn’t you use my ultra fanart for this!?!!! Ahhhh, the pain… The agony…

:p JoKiNg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Hmmmmmm, Sakura…. Maybe someday I’ll tell you how I really feel about Sakura, but that has to be one bad day, and today isn’t one…

Hehe, that is a nice sig you have, but I didn't see it until I had already posted the review ;)


Somehow, this traning looks like it will take forever to finish, and I just want to see more… More… What will happen??? What will this jutsu be like???

The second question most on everybody's mind at the moment, I'm sure (First probably would be WTF will happen to Asuma... )


GK, you always seem to shade new light to the chapter… And by reading your comments this few weeks, I seem to have enjoyed the chapters even more. And they made me rethink some of the things from different perspective!!! What a great piece of review is supposed to do IMO!!!

Great work, as always!!! Just keep them coming…


Thank you! And please keep reading, I appreciate reading your input :)



Hey, Phil, it's been a while since I last comented on your comments... I was ready to "leave it for later" (haven't slept all night) when Kakashi reminded me not to try and sneak off :darn Please allow me to post without reading anything but the first post, because I don't want to be influenced, among other things...

Haha, good ol' Kakashi. :D


1.) I liked how you brought the crumbs up, it was something that completely evaded me. This is the second or third cover including Naruto since this training has been mentioned. It gives me the feeling that Kishimoto is really focusing on Naruto and his growing determination. He surely doesn't seem all that relaxed and cheerful as in the chapter with Kakashi when this training was but a theory, ne?

The perspective matter is also something I was glad you mentioned, since I've always enjoyed it and was hoping people didn't just pass it by. I'm especially fond of Kakashi drawn in this angle with the camera being under him, it just gives him a "Kishimoto feel" (or I'm just being weird).

I also enjoy it a lot whenever Kishimoto tries something new and different like that. He's the only manga-ka so far that I've seen even trying it. It works well with his characters.


2.) First of all, my opinion is that Asuma will not die! In the same way as Gaara was Naruto's soul brother, Asuma has Kurenai to return to. Even though that's what I believe, Kishimoto will not let me, you, or anyone for that matter rest easy. If Kishimoto is planning to scare us, at least as far as I'm concerned, he's doing a fine job... Asuma could be our Aerith, Kishimoto CAN build on his relationship with Kurenai, he can build on his character with flashbacks and interaction with other characters, but what's worse is that he CAN make a martyr out of him, a brave fallen hero :crying

Now, thanks for the reminder on Shikamaru, I had totally forgotten about it... looks like a ray of hope for me :D
Hopefully Shikamaru (who won against Asuma in their game of shojo) will prove a good enough strategist to save his pawns? Hope dies last!

Hopefully so!


3.) Just like most of us, I too thought of this, but then again I said to myself: "Let's not be so harsh on Kishimoto sensei, someone on MH will surely come up with a very good explanation". Personally I went with the "fountain" one, despite the apparent chakra consumption, since that particular aspect of Naruto seems to be quite flexible (in the same way people in westerns may shoot more than 12 times without reloading and be out of bullets only 3 shots after a reload if the plot dictates so).

I still like Raine's underground river idea. Makes the most sense to me anyway.


4.) Nice comment on Zabuza, although in my eyes Naruto would only be able to merely clear some of the fog, and since the fog was a jutsu, I'm guessing his field of view wouldn't clear for long. As for finding hidden enemies, I think it's a close to mid range technique so it wouldn't be so useful against an ambush, but I digress as this nature manipulation didn't live up to my standards and I'm somewhat biased. Actually, "so much for a battle a tech" where my thoughts when I first saw this... I just hope there's more to it.

We'll see soon enough, I'm sure.


5.) For one I thing stamina isn't a set number as in RPGs, rather a value affected by one's health, morale, determination, and their overal condition. With Naruto at least, Kishimoto has been consistent, in that the mass clones usually do a henge at most. Usually Naruto uses his mass clones to fight with physical attacks.
Now, this comment should be in your previous week's comments but what the hell... the reason I think Naruto never fainted so far because of his mass clones is that he never had them stress their minds to acquire mental fatigue, nor did they stay active for long. Most -if not all- of the times Naruto used Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, he used his clones for taijutsu and they didn't last long... he either released the jutsu soon after performing it or the enemy obliterated them in not time (see the Kimimaro fight), so the clones didn't have enough time to stress their brains.

Yeah, somebody had mentioned that all the information that Naruto had amassed into his mind from his clones from training for hours on end would be decidedly different from the seconds of battle experience they went through against Kimimaro, and I'll be fine with going with that for now.


6.) Naruto is doing well to worry about his progress since he was left behind after all, although Sasuke was doped. Somehow I don't think Kakashi had faith in him though, especially when he said it took Sasuke several days to learn nature manipulation himself. From my perspective Kakashi just didn't want to push Naruto anymore than he already has, and actually didn't believe Naruto would make it so soon, because he just can't get it in his head that Naruto is a genius of hard work, and using the mass clones is hard work. To tell the truth I'm kind of bitter with Kakashi, being so surprised with Naruto's progress just the day before and then returning to his old biased self overnight... I just hope Naruto manages to leave both of his sensei's speachless with his progress and the new jutsu. This kid is worth some recognition from the person he admires and I hope he finally gets it...

Not sure Naruto ever admired Kakashi that much, but I'm hoping for much the same.


P.S.: Icha Icha Paradise is getting old. Too old. Plus Kakashi is taking ages to finish just one novel, and don't tell me he doesn't have time because he reads even in the middle of serious training! Come to think of it, maybe that's what Jiraiya's been doing all these arcs, spying on the Akatsuki and writing Icha Icha Paradise. That or Kakashi is going over his old volumes again :darn

Well, it IS the latest book... but I have to admit, I wonder if Kakashi is just a slow reader or if this is the tenth time he's re-read the book XD It's probably the latter, because I find it hard to believe that he hadn't finished the last book before Naruto came back to Konohagakure after two years, after all. He was still reading it then.


7.) Finally! If Kishimoto was a lurker around these places he should have known better than anyone that Yamato's abilities where becoming too Alice-in-wonderland-like! But again I bow to Kishimoto for his way of showing us, using a small Kakashi-Yamato interaction, making the latter seem like he's trying to impress the former, it's just priceless :grin

Haha. Wasn't the first time Yamato was shown to be human though, but certainly the most noticeable.


8,9.) We definately agree on this one! Sakura has always resembled a butterfly in Part II for me, something that desperately needed to be done since she was more or less useless in her larvae state :darn Now she has "super strength" (a result of astounding micro chakra control) and amazing medical skills, which I'm sure she'll put to good use in the upcoming battles and show people that from Guts to Kenshin, and from Zoro to Naruto, fighters need doctors!

Concerning her reactions though I have mixed feelings... you can either call her emo and look down on her, or call her an adult who faces reality head on, but can only take so much of pain. Actually, I've always thought that Kishimoto was stressing the Team 7 bond too much, that Naruto was exaggerating with all that talk about saving Sasuke and that Sakura shouldn't be her childish, love smitten self when Sasuke was being so serious. I always thought that Naruto and Sakure rushed to idealize Sasuke when he left and ended up making a dream character out of him. How could Naruto of all people be so blind towards Sasuke's power hungry nature I just don't understand... worse yet I don't see what Sakura saw in him that was worth falling for.

On another note, I have come to realize that if I am to accept Kishimoto's characters as they are, then I just don't understand what Sasuke means to them AT ALL! So I can't put myself neither in Naruto's nor in Sakura's shoes when they met Sasuke and consequently I can't judge those reactions, because to me they are a mystery! Anyway, as I said I have come to accept those characters as they are (among many other characters and many other things). Sakura's sadness combined with Naruto's late night reverie further intensify the overal gloomy, ominous feel of this chapter despite the author's atempt to lighten it up with Naruto's succes at the end.

Thanks for affirming that there are people out there that do agree with me there. Other than the nice melancholy mood, I just didn't really like that moment for Sakura. I would've liked it so much better if she had been starting at the pic, but didn't shed a tear. Yes, it would have killed what Kishimoto wanted to do with the whole shooting star moment, but still. Oh well.


10.) Again, we agree completely on the story telling department, it's just great :grin

Concerning the new jutsu, I also wanted to say that it's been the goal of this training since the beginning and we shouldn't lose focus of it, but I won't be making any predictions other than, Kishimoto keeping up with his two leveled story telling, showing both Naruto's progress and any hot events at the same time...

In closing, I want to thank you, Phil, for another great 10 comments! They've become a weekly treat and you're getting better at this with every new chapter :D It's a great way to take in the events of each chapter and also tie them to all that's happened so far. Keep it up :ossu


Thanks Alkis! :)



So I've had a pretty hectic week and didn't get a chance to read this until now, and I also don't have enough time to read all three pages of comments, so I apologize.

I liked this chapter. Also like your comments.

Naruto's determination and ultimate success is forever the winning formula. It's just way more satisfying than the bad guy getting away at the last minute.

But I also want to talk about Yamato. This guy can do... wayyyy too much - yet he couldn't defend against Sasuke's thrust, while Sai defended successfully. What's up with that? Does Yamato just suck at taijutsu, but rock at ninjutsu or something?


Well, just dumb ol' luck, I think. Sai successfully stopped Sasuke without touching his sword at all. Yamato tried to stop the sword directly. But yeah, I'd say that Yamato is more the ninjutsu expert than a taijutsu one. Gaara's the same type - they both have so much protection with their wood/sand respectively that they barely ever worry about directly engaging in combat.



I had a thought today
maybe its stupid maybe its been mentioned before but anyway

we dont really know the members of the 80 nins except Asumas group
and maybe Ibiki so I think Kishi would kill them if it is needed without a second thought

and Asumas team went to the only place that Im sure they wont meet Kakuzu and Hidan,the temple

so what I think is they will be the only members of the 80 nins alive when they meet the 2 aka members

what do you think? :notrust


It's very, very likely. But I'd like to see a few of the other teams survive alive.



That could explain the "nightmare" thing, but Asuma is pretty strong, and there is at least twenty menbers as strong as him. Hard to beat. Beside, one of the two akatsuki menbers make a 30 minutes long ceremony, so...It would take at least two days of non stop fighting to kill them, which would be pretty hard to pull off, given that there are limits to chakra reserves. Of course, kishimoto may forget things as stupid as logic :p


That's just Hidan, though. We haven't really seen what Kakuzu is made of yet.



we saw kakuzu and hidan rush into the temple to fight. and then at the end most of the monks were dead. To my eyes the ceremony affected only chiriku, his posture was that of if i remember Yuugito's. So it seems to me the Hidan ceremony is not for just anyone- but rather for those strong ones they meet.

and i really dont believe there are about 20 people in that 4-man 20 teams as strong as Asuma-sensei. Wow!!! I dont think Tsunade has soo many strong ninjas to spare like that.


That's a good point about Hidan only using that move on incredibly strong opponents.

And Tsunade was just being thorough.



Well we know that the leader from each of the 20 squads would at least be Jounin level ^^


Hopefully so!

Thanks for the comments guys :)

glasskatana
August 24, 2006, 12:31 AM
yup. I was the one that brought up the never-ending waterfall last time and this chapter led me to believe that Yamato's true powers are not that of wood, earth, and water, but actually of confusing readers, breaking any logical or scientific laws, and being way way too cool. :D

Great comments as always GK.

yeste
August 24, 2006, 04:40 AM
Hmm.. I'm not as keen on the "director's angles" here actually, as the feeling of parting somewhat felt forced and cliche to me.

:crying



I did like when Kurenai looked up and towards the window after they had left, though.

:guns :XD :thumbs :pleased
I'm telling you, he's pitchin' gold there...



Nidaime, actually. ^^

:err :headscratch
Well, we all make mistakes??? :xp



A wind slash? It REALLY is a dangerous weapon, just look at what Baku did to Hayate, and he saw it coming. Within the mist, Zabuza would have to be incredibly aware of what Naruto's doing in order to avoid what's coming, if he knew at all that he would be able to do it.

:headscratch Is this Bleech??? Unfortunately I only read Naruto and FMA!!! But that's all about to change... As soon as stupid telephone company grants me dsl line, I'll get up to speed with all this stuff, and then... :headbang well world domination!!! :sclap



Just imagine if Shikamaru had been the one to learn Kage Bunshin. He'd be amazing.

:box :laser :kislide :ebisunb



True enough. I still think Kishimoto does a better job of writing the adults than the kids.

This is true!!! They do have more natural look… Even dough Kishi didn’t put that much time in showing us these characters as much as he did with the young ones…
:jounins :jounins :jounins



Hehe, that is a nice sig you have, but I didn't see it until I had already posted the review ;)


Nahhhhh, I stil SuCk at this, but I'm getting better!!!Hopefully when they grant me dsl line, I'll do a little more in the world of scanlations... And fanart... :plot



Thank you! And please keep reading, I appreciate reading your input :)


:thumbs :headbang

glasskatana
August 26, 2006, 01:08 AM
Yeste, Baku was the sand jounin who was in charge of Gaara's team. He fought with Hayate (the chuunin examiner who always coughed) and killed him with that wind slash. :amuse

yeste
August 26, 2006, 03:11 AM
Yeste, Baku was the sand jounin who was in charge of Gaara's team. He fought with Hayate (the chuunin examiner who always coughed) and killed him with that wind slash. :amuse


Ah, man.... I totaly forgot about that!!! I remember now!!! Thanks GKA!!!
He had a katana(?) and was doing some special move with it, but Baku managed to kill him nevertheless...