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Tsukisama
November 01, 2008, 03:06 PM
As the title says (in Spanish), welcome to El Campo de Batalla de las Almas (Spanish for Battlefield of the Spirits). This forum was created to house all of the discussions on battles between two characters or groups of characters. (I suppose you could also try battles among 3 or more separate characters/groups, i.e. three or more opposing sides, but seeing as such battles have never really occurred in Bleach up until now, I would advise against them.)

For starters, I want to do discuss the thread prefixes. This section has three prefixes:

Info
Canon
Fantasy

Although we typically ask that when you create a thread that you don't assign the prefix (for the purposes of thread indexing and avoiding mislabeled threads), the prefixes in this section are so simple that once you know their meaning, I can't imagine anyone using them incorrectly.

Info is the one prefix of the three that you likely will never use. This rules thread is an info thread as would be any other thread that would inform you on this section. (In the main section of Biblioteca, the Info prefix has more uses, but here it is just for rules threads and the like.) The threads that you would actually use for discussions would be the other two; so, you can just ignore this thread prefix mostly.

Canon is the prefix you would use for threads involving match-ups that have already occurred in the manga. If the battles have already been fought, then it gets Canon. If you want to discuss what a rematch would be like, it would still get Canon as the prefix, because you have a canonical basis for this fight. Since as you likely well know, Bleach fights are more individually based, and thus it is good to separate match-ups that have that already individual dynamic established.

Obviously then, Fantasy is the prefix that you would use for fights between characters who have never fought each other in the manga before. This goes for any thread pertaining to characters who have yet to fight each other. If the subject of the thread becomes a canon battle, the thread prefix will be changed to Canon, but until then, it will be classified as Fantasy.

Now that the prefixes are out of the way, let's go over the rules for this section:

Only vs. threads

Post sane and meaningful opening posts

Go with the General Forum Rules and Etiquette Guidelines

Limit speculation as much as possible and use canonical support

Make meaningful posts

Avoid deus ex machina reasons

Make threads with a circumspect outlook

Avoid threads on the same pairing


Rule #1: Post only vs. threads here. All other discussion belongs into the (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=43) four (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=212) discussion (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=257) sections (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=51).

Rule #2: To start a new thread in this section you have to provide a meaningful first post. By meaningful, we mean that we ask you to provide (a) a short analysis and introduction of the characters involved and (b) a setting for the fight. This is especially meaningful for Fantasy fights. Also remember to not overdo the scenario as to give your favorite character an unfair advantage (exaggerated example: "Character Y is deadly wounded Character X has bankai and is at full strength!"). A thread with the content of "It's on! Character X vs. Character Y! Go bake your own Cake!" will be removed on sight and, on repeated offense, will have its consequences like other spam has.

Rule #3: This is something that is expected from you in every section of MH; so this really should go without saying. Please make sure you've read these threads:
And we stress: No Bashing! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15013)
General Rules, Guidelines, and Forum Etiquette (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6306)
Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion; so don't degrade other people's views. Make a compelling counterargument instead.

Rule #4: Please try to keep these based on something fairly tangible in the manga. While it is okay that you feel a certain way based off of a hunch that you have, please don't make a big argument over it. Speculation must have some reasonably sound grounding to it. If you consider it to be a bit of a "stretch," it is best to just not include it in your argument. Don't use non-canon material like movies, video games, or anime material not in the manga as supporting evidence.

Rule #5: This is another rule that really should go without saying since it applies in all MH discussion threads, but don't make worthless posts. Spam posts are worthless posts. Posts with only a couple of words or only one sentence don't add much of anything to the discussion. Posts where you just say that you agree with someone else's posts or posts that are only expressions of gratitude aren't worth being posts. (Just use the "thanks" button at the bottom of the post or PM the person instead.) Also, posts that aren't on the topic of discussion will be deleted.

Rule #6: Please avoid reasons that are based on circumstances outside of the control of the combatants allowing for victory. For example, we know that Hitsugaya is a very popular character, and while the outcomes of his battles may in RL be affected by his popularity, don't base his victory in a thread here solely on that. (You can obviously mention it in terms of the actual outcomes of the battles in the manga, but this section is to discuss how the characters would fare against each other in a more objective sense.)

Rule #7: This basically goes back to Rule #2. You need to put some well-deserved thought into your thread when it is made as to how the thread will be run. It is best to define certain parameters that you want to be taken into consideration at the outset like how you would define victory and importance of mindest. If you want to place circumstantial parameters in the first post though, we ask that users take those circumstances into consideration, but the main focus is on the characters and not the parameters.

Rule #8: This last rule probably does not really need to be stated, but please try to use threads that exist on match-ups and not create a thread on the same match-up with slightly different circumstances. We would prefer to have these threads based on the characters and not on the parameters. For example, I wouldn't want to see a Byakuya vs. Kenpachi thread and then a Byakuya vs. patchless Kenpachi. Threads should focus on the characters.

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Those are the rules, which we feel are reasonable for everyone to follow.

Obviously, threads and posts created before these rules were posted have ex post facto exemption, but all threads and posts in this section henceforth shall be subject to these rules. (For example, existing threads aren't going to be deleted because they lack a proper first post with an exposition, but we do encourage the existing posts to include such exposition.)

This thread will remain open in case you have any input or questions concerning the rules you would like to ask. As Rule #5 indicates, insubstantial posts in this thread like "good rules" or such will be deleted. Only post here if you have a legitimate question about the rule or a suggestion for new rules. If you have a question, be sure to explain your query. If you have a suggestion, be sure to explain the reasons behind your suggestion.

We hope that you enjoy the new section. Now, let the battles begin! :hbunny

Arrogance
July 13, 2009, 02:39 AM
Hey, I've been starting to post here lately and I have noticed that my post count was not effected by any of posts I have been making here. For some reason is this forum's posts not counted like in the fun forum or is there is an error occurring. Just curious if its a mistake I'm making or if there is something I don't know about that I'm missing, thanks :)

Tsukisama
July 13, 2009, 03:24 AM
Posts in some forums are not counted towards the post count. This is one such forum. (The same also applies for Naruto Playground and One Piece's Davy Back Fight.) This is because it is felt that the discussions in these sort of sections tend to lack the substance that we would expect in normal discussions.

If it turned out that all of the posts were well-thought and exemplary, then we might consider turning on the post count here. :amuse

Gecko Moria
August 02, 2009, 05:04 AM
Just a reminder: As Tsuki has said in the rules, even though posts in this forum those not count towards your post count, remember to make meaningful posts that are supported with evidence and a decent explanation. It doesn't have to be an essay, just something to back up your opinion so it makes it easier for other people to understand why you chose X over Y. Also make sure your posts adds to the discussion or starts good discussion.

A post that says something like "Kenpachi will kill Hitsugaya" is not necessary as you would most likely have already voted for Kenpachi in the poll. However, you are free to explain why you chose Kenpachi. An explanation like this would be fine. "I think Kenpachi can defeat Hitsugaya because he has a stronger spiritual pressure as shown when he was hit dead-on in the chest by Ichigo. Kenpachi was also able to take a lot of damage when he fought Nnoitra, standing firm even after fatal wounds. Furthermore, Kenpachi is just generally stronger physically."

Tsukisama
August 25, 2009, 09:10 PM
It's time for a little clarification on a matter that has been coming up from time to time: the issue of whether or not Ichigo's hollow will be treated as a separate character from Ichigo. Upon discussion, we have decided that it is all just Ichigo, i.e., they aren't separate characters.

Ichigo's hollow is only another persona of Ichigo. It is not, however, a separate character. Ichigo is kind of like a character that has schizophrenia in that he has multiple personae within one vessel. The only place that the two are distinct in the manga is within Ichigo's psyche a.k.a. inner world. This latest form that seems like somewhat of a hybrid of Ichigo and his hollow exhibited in the climax of his fight with Ulquiorra is especially indistinct from Ichigo; it is the next evolution in Ichigo's development as a shinigami-hollow hybrid, and it is a form that Ichigo will undoubtedly use again at some point and likely eventually master.

Thus, all threads that differ only on Ichigo's personae are subject to be merged. If you want to have a thread with Ichigo in it, then you get the complete package. If you want to focus in your posts on specific aspects, that is your choice, but all threads in this section are based on the characters and all of their abilities fundamentally.

(For those who care only about Ichigo's hollow and/or hybrid forms, you shouldn't have much over which to fret anyway over the inclusion of the rest of Ichigo, as his "normal" self does not yet seem as powerful as the other personae yet, but in the end, it is still all Ichigo.)

Tsukisama
May 18, 2011, 08:19 AM
As you may have noticed, there are two new thread prefixes available here in El Campo: Team and Conditional. These new prefixes are here to take some of the burden off of the overtaxed Fantasy prefix. Here is a short explanation of each new prefix:

Team is the prefix you would use for battles where two or more characters are teaming up to fight a foe. Thus, if 2-vs-2, 2-vs-1, 3-vs-1, etc., it would receive the Team prefix. There are not a lot of team battles that actually occur in the manga, but if you wanted to discuss a team-up battle that occurred in the manga like Byakuya & Kenpachi vs Yammy, that would still receive the Canon prefix.

Conditional is the prefix you would use for threads that focus on characters under specific restrictions that do not allow for the characters to access their full potential or uses only a specific version of a character. For example, a battle between sealed Arrancar and a shinigami that is restricted to shikai only would receive this prefix. If you have a thread that meets the requirements of being a Team battle and a Conditional battle, use the Team prefix. Conditional is only used for 1-on-1 matches.