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Gold Knight
September 03, 2006, 05:34 PM
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Are you ready to rock?

Just a little heads up here to everybody who waits for my reviews - my Naruto Ten Comments will probably be released more often at the end of every weekend or Mondays from now on. The reason being that I like to wait until I can get ahold of higher quality images to use with my reviews, and the HQ Raw usually doesn't come out until late in the weekend.

Although if the HQ Raw ever seems to take its sweet time getting out, like now, I'll go ahead and post with images from somebody's MQ scanlation - such as Yume's this time around. Thanks, Yume <3

Please enjoy and comment away when you have time. ;)


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on Naruto Chapter 321: Smooth-Talking...! * * *


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That fly is troublesome.

1. Troublesome Thinking. This week, we get Shikamaru sitting back, but instead of looking relaxed and lazy, he seems preoccupied with deep thoughts, and he doesn't like it. It's as if Kishimoto was warning us with this chapter that we'll be having to use our heads a little bit than we would have liked. Nope, no action in this chapter, sorry - just a lot of dialogue, followed by some musing to do the readers' own part. This cover sets the tone for that kind of chapter. Not to mention that Shikamaru's obviously felt like there was something amiss in recent days with his sensei. As we would see later in the chapter, he would finally act on his intuition.

Well, okay, maybe I'm just thinking too deeply on what Kishimoto's doing here. But since we're on the topic of talking about Shikamaru, I might as well mention here that I firmly believe he is the best developed character in the whole series. In the beginning, he seemed so much like a cowardly punk (http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/4629/naruto3905zh9.jpg), but throughout the Chuunin Exams, he started and just kept impressing us - especially with his brain - to the point where he became nearly an unanimous fan favorite.

And one of my own top three favorite Naruto characters, as well! I never would have expected it when he was first introduced! Quite good writing. And he's changed in some ways, too, since the end of Part I. Shikamaru WAS a borderline coward, but his father's lecture (http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7816/narutoch235p14ge2.png) at the end of Part 1 probably put an end to all that. Now, he seems much more confident in himself now, and probably the kid most closest to being his own man out of all of Naruto's generation, including even Neji (imo). When he's not having to follow Tsunade's orders, anyway. XD

Seems like lately Kishimoto is also playing around with the sex appeal of his characters, too. First, Naruto, a little bit, and now Shikamaru. Might just be my imagination, but I can just imagine all the Shikamaru fangirls whistling when they saw that cover!


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Kakashi is evil.

2. Flattery no Jutsu! Kakashi certainly knows how to smooth-talk, alright. Poor Yamato! Again he's revealed to only be human and easily duped, but the scene certainly made me laugh out loud. Seems like Asuma's not the only jounin trying to weasel out of a bill in Konohagakure!

In a weird way, it's as if all these elite ninja are constantly training the art of deception with their friends and students, even without knowing it. Well, I suppose guile is an essential part of the job, and we've certainly found out that Kakashi's good at it, not that it's any surprise.

Sidenote: One significant thing we did learn here though - since Yamato addressed Kakashi as a sempai, that likely means that Kakashi was Yamato's field commander in the ANBU, not just a teammate. That would definitely explain why Yamato has such a high degree of respect for him. This could also mean that Uzuki Yugao (http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/9356/naruto137008ke5.jpg) (remember her?) used to be on the same ANBU team as Yamato at some point, since Yugao also seemed to address Kakashi as a senior (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naruto16139009wh2.png) as well.


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Did Kakashi expect otherwise? XD

3. Going Over the Lesson. Well, here Kakashi reiterates one of his earlier chakra lessons again for Naruto, who of course - not surprisingly, considering his excitement for training at the time - has forgotten some particularly important points. That is, the whole point of successfully learning nature manipulation was so that he could start harnessing wind as the primary elemental ingredient in his brainstorming for a new jutsu. Much like how Kakashi, the Leaf's number one technican, merged lightning and his own chakra together to make a razor-sharp electric blade growing from his palm, Naruto will have to do something similar.

I somewhat wish Naruto had been a little more inquisitive, though, when Kakashi mentioned Chidori as an example of working with the power and ranges of his chakra. I'd have liked to see him curiously ask Kakashi to show him different types of jutsus that he could perform with lightning, not just the Chidori and the Raikiri. But maybe that's just the Kakashi fan in me, though; I always wanted to see Kakashi do something else a little more different, if even just different forms of Chidori. And I suppose it would have used up a bit of chakra. I don't blame these ninja for trying to conserve their chakra at all times; who knows how the day will end?


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"Beeyotches, I'm GOD, lolz!"

4. Not That Easy, Naruto. As hard-working as Naruto has been to this point, it's somewhat strange that his confidence would still lead to the kind of arrogance that had him thinking the latest training stage would be a simple task. That because he already knew how to the Rasengan, an A-rank jutsu, and thus the basics of form manipulation, to go with his newly acquired command of wind, he'd be able to create his "ultimate jutsu" right away. Kakashi must have been so impressed. Not.

You'd think that after all this time, Naruto would have gotten to the point where he'd realize that not a single step towards becoming Hokage will ever be that easy. Well, I suppose Naruto was always a little dense... and that's an understatement. I guess that would explain why he's always stayed so positive as far as becoming Hokage, though.


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Tough audience...!

The deadpan reactions on Kakashi and Yamato's faces were funny though. These were the faces of two veterans who probably had worked their butts off to get to where they are now, and they knew right away that Naruto was probably in for the most difficult challenge he's ever had in his life! "Kid's got no idea, does he?"

Not to mention that Yamato had already said that a person who could use the manipulation of both "nature" and "form" as a combination jutsu was very rare. Naruto obviously didn't get the hint.


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Say again? Which is which?

5. Confusion Over the Chidori. At first, I thought Kishimoto contradicted himself a little bit in this chapter regarding the make-up of the Chidori. As Kakashi said at one point, as shown in the flashback, the Chidori was "just a jutsu that deals with form manipulation," like the Rasengan.

Yet, when Naruto mentioned that working with form and nature in order to create a jutsu would be easy, Kakashi countered by saying "oh yeah? If that's true, then there wasn't much point in my inventing Chidori, eh?"

Huh? That statement alone would seem to support that in fact SOME skill of nature manipulation was necessary to pull the Chidori off. Did Kishimoto just make an unusual writing blooper?

I wondered for a while that maybe Kakashi meant to say Raikiri. The "Lightning Cut" (http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/7744/naruto30004uw6.jpg) is a S-ranked jutsu which Kakashi developed from the Chidori and which required more concentration of chakra and much more precise control of it. So, when applied perfectly, an much sharper force is created that can apparently cut a bolt of lightning.

The Chidori, or "A Thousand Birds," (http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/811/naruto11308aoz0.jpg) on the other hand, is only an A-ranked jutsu that converted chakra into a ball of lightning, a less powerful but still highly potent attack, despite its loudness. Instead of cutting its opponent, the Chidori is probably more likely to blast the enemy away. I wouldn't be surprised if chakra being converted into electricity isn't the same thing as actually manipulating lightning.

Then there's the Naruto-Sasuke duels (http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/9933/narutoch227p0304iu5.png), where we saw that the Chidori only proved to be barely as strong as the Rasengan, another A-rank jutsu. That would only make sense if they were both at the same level, that is, high-level "form manipulation" attacks, instead of either using any nature manipulation at all. (Incidentally, I still tend to think the Rasengan is slightly stronger; I know Sasuke defeated Naruto regardless, but I think that was more due to the Curse Seal enhancing his Chidori further than the Kyuubi had added to the Rasengan. But that's another subject...)

And in order to cut a bolt of lightning, the user of the Raikiri obviously needed to be able to manipulate the element to the point where he would be unharmed by any kind of discharge. (Of course, all this made me wonder if Kakashi didn't just simulateously use nature manipulation to cut the bolt in two in the first place just to be dramatic! XD )

Then I realized why I was so confused. I misinterpreted Kakashi's comment there as saying the Chidori requried nature manipulation - then realized he meant that if the developing Raikiri had been so easy as that, then inventing the Chidori would have been pointless. Ahhh.

Still, no wonder Naruto is so easily confused when talking to him. Kakashi may be a "smooth-talker," but I'm not at all so sure that he's great at explaining jutsus, regardless!]

Edit: It seems that Kishimoto likely did mess up. See ChuckingDecues' post (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=8231.msg151201#msg151201) (next one) for more details. Basically, because Sasuke did have to practice nature manipulation in order to achieve Chidori, that means it *should* be based on just nature and not form. Whereas Rasengan is form, Chidori is nature. Either it was a translation error, or Kishimoto made a blooper.

Edit 2: Turned out it was a translation error...

According to Nihongaeri's translation, Kakashi in the flashback actually said その意味で螺旋丸は千鳥とは少し違って“形態変化”だけを極めた術と言える

"In that sense you could say that, UNLIKE chidori, rasengan is a jutsu relying only on extremely advanced "spatial recomposition"

Oh well, just goes to show you how important accuracy of translation is XD

REVISED COMMENT: Alright, now we know that the Rasengan is for sure different from the Chidori in their make-up. Whereas the Rasengan is based on form manipulation ONLY, albeit to the extreme, Chidori obviously uses nature manipulation.

However, Sasuke and Kakashi's Chidori probably doesn't have as high a level of nature manipulation as the Rasengan does form manipulation, but since it does employ some form manipulation (especially judging by Kakashi's allusion to it in explaining how he alters the shape of chakra), that's the reason it likely is still as strong as the Rasengan. That explains that.

So Kakashi indeed was countering Naruto that if nature manipulation was so easy, then the Chidori being invented wouldn't have been such an accomplishment.


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So much for Naruto being God.

6. Copycat Ninja Strikes Again. Okay, so Kakashi can do the Rasengan. Heh. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty interesting! I don't blame Naruto for taking a double look. Did Kakashi know how to do it all along, but never used it because he preferred Raikiri better? A quick, stabbing, lethal strike instead of a chaotic, volatile ball of fury? Probably. Definitely more of an assassin's weapon.

Or perhaps - after Kakashi saw Naruto employ the very same jutsu that his own teacher had invented, and one that Jiraiya himself occasionally used, he decided to learn it over the last two and half years just to stay pace with his students? After all, he's seen it in action more than enough times to copy it, probably. Now that I think about it, he never did use the Chidori/Raikiri the whole time we've seen him in Part 2.

Hey, wonder if Kakashi's moved on to a different personal attack? Perhaps something even better than the Raikiri?

If he's indeed come up with a new invention, that would make me a much happier fan. The Chidori/Raikiri was always known as his sole original technique, but I'd like to see him create more. I wasn't too crazy that Kakashi's "amazing new jutsu" seemed to be a different version of the Mangeykou Sharingan, although I think I'm just tired of "eye jutsus" in general. And even as cool as the Chidori and Raikiri are, they would have gotten stale after a while, too. Maybe Kakashi meant that he's come up with something else other than the MS after all for his "brilliant new jutsu" (http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/1605/narutoch247p02iv0.png)...

Crackhead Theory: Seeing that Sasuke's already moved on to a different, upgraded version of the Chidori, the Nagashi (http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/5638/ch308ukpage04nk0.png), it's likely Kakashi might have also devised one as well other than the Raikiri. Sasuke's "Chidori Current" is a defensive-type jutsu that he uses to get attackers (or friends) off his back - much like an eel - which describes his personality pretty well.

On the other hand, I think Kakashi will show another upgraded version as well, but in a much different fashion. As he's always been more fond of assassination-type attacks, like the Raikiri, I'd be willing to guess that he might have developed an attack more offensive-minded than the Nagashi and just as effective as the Raikiri.

For example, I wonder if Kakashi's now able to, instead of radiating electricity like Sasuke, actually place a high-intensity static "time bomb" on the opponent and set it to go off anytime he wanted it to! ... Well, Kakashi's famous flyway and lopsided white hair inspired me to think of that one being a possible attack, but hey, that's my crazy theory of the week. ;)


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Guess Yondy was a bit of a slacker after all...

7. An Incomplete Rasengan. So the Fourth intended to add some type of nature to the Rasengan, but couldn't do it in the end before he died. Well, I suppose Yondaime did die young. But neither could Kakashi, which is also saying a lot.

Some readers might be thinking that the reiteration of the lesson and Kakashi's own demonstration of the Rasengan may be merely another attempt to drag the training arc out a little more, but I AM glad Kishimoto took the time to remind the readers of what exactly Naruto is trying to do here.

I mean, Kakashi's trying to emphasize just how difficult it is to merge an element with personal chakra in order to perform an amazing attack. It's a more difficult challenge than any Naruto's ever faced in the past, besides having to deal with being an orphan in a village where nearly everybody hated him (I suppose nothing could top that one). But if Yondaime himself couldn't upgrade the Rasengan - his own creation - with an elemental power, then Naruto is about to try to accomplish something truly extraordinary here. Something that not even Kakashi could do either (unless he learns by watching Naruto, of course! XD )

But if Kakashi is right about the Rasengan being the "highest possible level" of form manipulation possible, no wonder he said that Naruto had the potential to out-do a certain legend...!


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You CAN be God too, kid! ^_^

8. Surpassing the Fourth! I've just gotta say... Kakashi is the man. That was probably the first time anybody had ever told Naruto that he could top the greatest hero of the village. What a show of confidence. That Kakashi would go from having so little faith in Naruto to being such a big supporter just shows just how quick he is on picking up on just how much potential Naruto has! And after only watching him for a couple of days in training, too. Looks like Kakashi is becoming a better sensei for Naruto than he has been in the past.

Well, finally, Naruto can feel that Kakashi has recognized him. That's something right there. I'll bet you anything that Naruto will think back to that moment quite often as another hallmark moment. (Expect at least one flashback back to that panel sometimes in the next five or ten chapters...)


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"...but Kakashi sempai, I thought I was the only Kohai you recognized ;_;"

Also, that was some pretty good writing here that Kishimoto would use the funny scene between Yamato and Kakashi in the Ichiraku to set up this moment. Just in case the readers questioned his sincerity, Kishimoto had Kakashi taking Yamato aside and revealing to him (and all us readers listening on) that he was indeed being serious for a change. That only served to make the scene even more poignant. Very nice indeed.


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With friends like that, who needs enemies...?

9. Unappreciated. Interestingly enough, we got a glimpse at Kakuzu getting some advice from his bondsman about Hidan. Mainly, he's being encouraged to dump his partner in crime. Kakuzu sure didn't seem to disagree, which is interesting as Hidan had been pretty much the one achieving their objectives: first capturing the Nibi, and then beating Chiriku. That's some appreciation... Kakuzu must have been angrier than we all thought that Hidan never once helped him carry the body. Heh, they both really are bastards...

This makes me believe that Kakuzu won't take part in the battle once they run into a team as strong as Asuma's. Hidan may find himself on his own very soon. I had thought before that Kishimoto was playing up their bickering as just an amusing part of the story, but it may actually have serious ramifications after all. Is Kakuzu THAT fed up with Hidan that he would just as soon throw him to the wolves as not? Probably...! Hidan better watch his back.

Sidenote: Somebody mentioned that it was surprising that Kakuzu had mentioned that they were going to hunt after another jinchuuriki so casually to the bondsman, since he was likely not part of their organization. Well... I kinda see the dude as another Tobi, before he was promoted to Akatsuki. They must have followers everywhere, and the bondsman is one of them.

Speaking of that mission to catch another jinchuuriki, must be Naruto, since they're in the Fire Country right now, and he's the "only one left?" Hmm...


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Buddies Forever!

10. No Smoke In His Eyes...! Can't say that came as a surprise at all that Chiriku was a friend of Asuma's. He seemed obviously distressed over Chiriku's absence. The fact that Asuma considers their friendship comparable to Chouji and Shikamaru's, though, means that it was a even deeper bond than any of us probably thought. He's going to be pretty angry if Chiriku is really dead. Shikamaru will likely learn something new along the way, as well, if my hunch is right...

Something else - I thought it was rather weird that Asuma stops smoking whenever he was worried. Usually, it's the other way around; concern and stress leads to a few more packs per day! Guess Asuma has more discipline than most people, though. XD

RATING: 4 out of 5 stars. I almost gave this chapter a 5-star rating, and I would have if I had written the review immediately following reading the RAW. But that was just the Kakashi fan in me. In the end, although the funny scene, the lesson, the Rasengan demonstration, and the show of confidence were all great, the chapter still doesn't merit a 5-star rating based on its lack of action. Still a nice chapter however.

Predictions: A team most likely finally runs into Hidan and Kakuzu. It's about that time. I don't think it'll be Asuma's squad yet, however. We'll be seeing Naruto being frustrated and asking for a hint or something.

Credits: Many thanks to Yume's MQ scanlation! Brucelee's translation was also used as well. ( And Nihongaeri, thanks for your translation as well - it helped clarify some parts for me. )

Hope you enjoyed, and looking forward to seeing what you think!


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Eeeh? I can't think of anything more! Comment away!

ChuckinUpDueces
September 03, 2006, 07:01 PM
Another solid 10 comments GK. I'll admit I too was confused (still am actually) about what Kakashi meant by his Chidori comment. I read how you broke it down, but to me it still doesn't make any sense. Chidori is obviously lightening-natured chakra affilated, this is fact. Kakashi even mentions that Sasuke went through training like Naruto to become accustomed to using chakra nature manipulation. Again, this is fact. So how come all of a sudden Chidori is form manipulation? When Naruto learned Rasengan, he was taught nothing of nature manipulation. When Sasuke first saw the Rasengan, he too was very puzzled. He is supposed to be a Genius, and had he had any kind of form manipulation training he would have been able to deduce what it was exactly. I think either the translation (no disrespect at all to the translators) is off, or the point of the comment was missed. But I firmly believe that Rasengan is a jutsu based off form manipulation, and Chidori is a jutsu based off nature manipulation. The evidence is in the manga, and it just makes sense. The whole point of combining Chidori and Rasengan into one jutsu is because of their relationship as 2 halves of one whole jutsu.

Everything else was money as usually GK, whatever Naruto's new jutsu will be, combining wind natured chakra into the chaotic vortex that is the Rasengan is going to be completely out of this world. I really wondered how Kakashi was going to change Naruto, and I'm glad that Naruto is coming out of the shadow of Yondaime instead of going more into it. His determination, confidence, and skill seem to getting bigger and bigger since the Kyuubi got pushed into the backgrond, and he just might have what it takes to live his dream. This is really a huge turning point for him.

Kakuzu talking crap about Hidan inside the washroom with his bounty buddy is hilarious. He obviously is/was a very shady character, Hidan at least seems very honest and forthright about who he is and what he is about. I can see Asuma lighting up Kakuzu's eyes if they happen to meet up with them. I mentioned this earlier, but it's worth repeating here again. Hidan is carrying a scythe, and all we've been getting is foreshadowing to Asuma meeting his demise, can you say: Meet the Reaper?

Again, excellent writing as usual, maybe i'll be the first to post by the time i'm done writing this. :blink

LadyHatake
September 03, 2006, 07:46 PM
XD I just now noticed that in the panel where Yamato is paying the bill and Naruto is like "Kakashi is sneaky," Kakashi is holding up a victory symbol XDDDDDD



Sidenote: One significant thing we did learn here though - since Yamato addressed Kakashi as a sempai, that likely means that Kakashi was Yamato's field commander in the ANBU, not just a teammate. That would definitely explain why Yamato has such a high degree of respect for him. This could also mean that Uzuki Yugao (http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/9356/naruto137008ke5.jpg) (remember her?) used to be on the same ANBU team as Yamato at some point, since Yugao also seemed to address Kakashi as a senior (http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=naruto16139009wh2.png) as well.
I'd always wondered what that woman's name was. I never could find it -_- but yeah, she did call Kakashi-sensei "sempai" so she'd probably in the same boat as Yamato.


3. Going Over the Lesson. Well, here Kakashi reiterates one of his earlier chakra lessons again for Naruto, who of course - not surprisingly, considering his excitement for training at the time - has forgotten some particularly important points. That is, the whole point of successfully learning nature manipulation was so that he could start harnessing wind as the primary elemental ingredient in his brainstorming for a new jutsu.

I figured Naruto would forget most of Kakashi's lesson pretty quick. He is Konoha's number one knuckleheaded ninja, afterall. If Naruto's going to get anything done (successfully) then he's going to need to start paying better attention XD


I somewhat wish Naruto had been a little more inquisitive, though, when Kakashi mentioned Chidori as an example of working with the power and ranges of his chakra. I'd have liked to see him curiously ask Kakashi to show him different types of jutsus that he could perform with lightning, not just the Chidori and the Raikiri.

I just figured he'd ask questions because he wouldn't understand XD. But yeah, I'd like to see more of what Kakashi can do. We don't get to see nearly enough of him fighting.



The deadpan reactions on Kakashi and Yamato's faces were funny though. These were the faces of two veterans who probably had worked their butts off to get to where they are now, and they knew right away that Naruto was probably in for the most difficult challenge he's ever had in his life! "Kid's got no idea, does he?"
XD More comic relief by Kishimoto, I suppose. Like you said last week, pretty soon there won't be any time for that.


5. Confusion Over the Chidori. At first, I thought Kishimoto contradicted himself a little bit in this chapter regarding the make-up of the Chidori. As Kakashi said at one point, as shown in the flashback, the Chidori was "just a jutsu that deals with form manipulation," like the Rasengan.

Yet, when Naruto mentioned that working with form and nature in order to create a jutsu would be easy, Kakashi countered by saying "oh yeah? If that's true, then there wasn't much point in my inventing Chidori, eh?"
...Then I realized why I was so confused. I misinterpreted Kakashi's comment there as saying the Chidori requried nature manipulation - then realized he meant that if the developing Raikiri had been so easy as that, then inventing the Chidori would have been pointless. Ahhh.

Still, no wonder Naruto is so easily confused when talking to him. Kakashi may be a "smooth-talker," but I'm not at all so sure that he's great at explaining jutsus, regardless!

Yeah, the way that was phrased gave me a headache. Took me forever to figure out just what Kakashi was talking about. But then again, he's never done this whole teaching thing himself, so he may not be realizing that he needs to explain the jutsu's a little better <.<


6. Copycat Ninja Strikes Again. Okay, so Kakashi can do the Rasengan. Heh. Yeah, I'd say that's pretty interesting! I don't blame Naruto for taking a double look. Did Kakashi know how to do it all along, but never used it because he preferred Raikiri better? A quick, stabbing, lethal strike instead of a chaotic, volatile ball of fury? Probably. Definitely more of an assassin's weapon.

XD When I saw Kakashi do Rasengan my draw dropped. I really wasn't expecting it. I doubt he'll ever actually use it though. Rasengan fits Naruto perfectly: slightly ostentatious, and chaotic, while Rasengan is refined and to the point, like Kakashi. Well, except when Kakashi is trying to explain why he was late >.> Then he mostly gives the run around.



8. Surpassing the Fourth! I've just gotta say... Kakashi is the man. That was probably the first time anybody had ever told Naruto that he could top the greatest hero of the village. What a show of confidence. That Kakashi would go from having so little faith in Naruto to being such a big supporter just shows just how quick he is on picking up on just how much potential Naruto has! And after only watching him for a couple of days in training, too. Looks like Kakashi is becoming a better sensei for Naruto than he has been in the past.

I'm in complete agreement here. Finally, someone recognizes Naruto's potential! Well, Tsunade did, some, too. But still, for the first time Kakashi has truely recognized Naruto as a worthy student, and as a worthy Ninja.


9. Unappreciated. Interestingly enough, we got a glimpse at Kakuzu getting some advice from his bondsman about Hidan. Mainly, he's being encouraged to dump his partner in crime. Kakuzu sure didn't seem to disagree, which is interesting as Hidan had been pretty much the one achieving their objectives: first capturing the Nibi, and then beating Chiriku. That's some appreciation... Kakuzu must have been angrier than we all thought that Hidan never once helped him carry the body. Heh, they both really are bastards...

XD That's what you get when you put together two bad guys with different objectives XD Kakuzu is more interested in collecting money, and Hidan...well. He's more interested in his religion.


Speaking of that mission to catch another jinchuuriki, must be Naruto, since they're in the Fire Country right now, and he's the "only one left?" Hmm...

Let's hope so. I'd like to seem some action soon XD Especially Izumo and Kotetsu fighting!

You pretty much said it all, Phil ^^ I'm crossing my fingers in hopes for some action next week! Another Fantastic job on your comments!

<3

Gold Knight
September 03, 2006, 08:37 PM
Another solid 10 comments GK. I'll admit I too was confused (still am actually) about what Kakashi meant by his Chidori comment. I read how you broke it down, but to me it still doesn't make any sense. Chidori is obviously lightening-natured chakra affilated, this is fact. Kakashi even mentions that Sasuke went through training like Naruto to become accustomed to using chakra nature manipulation. Again, this is fact. So how come all of a sudden Chidori is form manipulation?

Hmm. True. Sasuke did have to train for nature manipulation in order to achieve Chidori. Good point. Kishimoto must have messed up there, I think, when he mentioned Chidori as an example of a jutsu using only form manipulation. >.<


When Naruto learned Rasengan, he was taught nothing of nature manipulation. When Sasuke first saw the Rasengan, he too was very puzzled. He is supposed to be a Genius, and had he had any kind of form manipulation training he would have been able to deduce what it was exactly.

I'm not so sure about that, though. Rasengan is just one types of form manipulation that one can do, I think. Additionally, Sasuke had never seen that jutsu before. Not that I could give you examples of other kinds of form manipulation, but I don't think Sasuke would have been able to deduce what exactly the Rasengan was just from dealing with or observing form manipulation.


I think either the translation (no disrespect at all to the translators) is off, or the point of the comment was missed. But I firmly believe that Rasengan is a jutsu based off form manipulation, and Chidori is a jutsu based off nature manipulation. The evidence is in the manga, and it just makes sense. The whole point of combining Chidori and Rasengan into one jutsu is because of their relationship as 2 halves of one whole jutsu.

You could be right. That would make sense to me, too.

I'll edit in a link to your post. Good thoughts.


Hidan is carrying a scythe, and all we've been getting is foreshadowing to Asuma meeting his demise, can you say: Meet the Reaper?

Right now we're getting a lot of counter-foreshadowing, though. Whereas a few weeks ago Asuma's death seemed inevitable, now it doesn't anymore from the last two chapters. Now is Hidan the one going to die? Seemed like a little foreshadowing here towards THAT. I like the allegory about Hidan being the reaper, though ^^


Again, excellent writing as usual, maybe i'll be the first to post by the time i'm done writing this. :blink


Congrats, you indeed are the first! ^^



XD I just now noticed that in the panel where Yamato is paying the bill and Naruto is like "Kakashi is sneaky," Kakashi is holding up a victory symbol XDDDDDD

That just added to the comedy for me XD


I'd always wondered what that woman's name was. I never could find it -_- but yeah, she did call Kakashi-sensei "sempai" so she'd probably in the same boat as Yamato.

Her name is also difficult to remember. :s But I just remembered that we had a Databook page on her *slaps forehead* I could have referred to that all along...

Here you go: Yugao's Databook Entry. (http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/4672/db2053uzukiyugaomnknw8.jpg)


I figured Naruto would forget most of Kakashi's lesson pretty quick. He is Konoha's number one knuckleheaded ninja, afterall. If Naruto's going to get anything done (successfully) then he's going to need to start paying better attention XD

XD Yup.


Yeah, the way that was phrased gave me a headache. Took me forever to figure out just what Kakashi was talking about. But then again, he's never done this whole teaching thing himself, so he may not be realizing that he needs to explain the jutsu's a little better <.<

Yeah, but according to what ChuckingDeuces just said, I think he's right... check his post. I think Kishimoto may have (gasp) made a writing blooper.


XD When I saw Kakashi do Rasengan my draw dropped. I really wasn't expecting it. I doubt he'll ever actually use it though. Rasengan fits Naruto perfectly: slightly ostentatious, and chaotic, while Rasengan is refined and to the point, like Kakashi. Well, except when Kakashi is trying to explain why he was late >.> Then he mostly gives the run around.

XD I agree.


I'm in complete agreement here. Finally, someone recognizes Naruto's potential! Well, Tsunade did, some, too. But still, for the first time Kakashi has truely recognized Naruto as a worthy student, and as a worthy Ninja.

Yep! But there have been others that recognized Naruto before, but it still feels good for somebody new to do so, especially if it's Kakashi. I know I'd be really happy right now after that compliment from him.


XD That's what you get when you put together two bad guys with different objectives XD Kakuzu is more interested in collecting money, and Hidan...well. He's more interested in his religion.

XD Yeah. But I'd have thought Kakuzu would still have seen Hidan as being useful. But I think Kakuzu doesn't want a partner, he wants a henchman. Hidan is just too independent-minded for him.


Let's hope so. I'd like to seem some action soon XD Especially Izumo and Kotetsu fighting!

Haha. Hope so.


Another Fantastic job on your comments!

<3


Thank you! <3[br]Posted on: September 03, 2006, 09:04:04 PM_________________________________________________* * *

This is what I get for only looking at a few translations and then a scanlation XD

Nihongaeri's translation:

Frame 5, Kakashi (Flashback):
その意味で螺旋丸は千鳥とは少し違って“形態変化”だけを極めた術と言える
In that sense you could say that, unlike chidori, rasengan is a jutsu relying only on extremely advanced "spatial recomposition"


So basically, it was indeed a translation error.

*Goes to edit*

Raine_Joybringer
September 03, 2006, 08:50 PM
1. What more is there to say? It's Shikamaru! You know, for once I'd love to see a slightly romantic cover of Shikamaru and Temari >.> My inner fangirl-shipper is going crazy...

2. I find it funny that Kakashi is such a "smooth talker", yet kinda sucks when it comes to explaining things. Still, I love it that Kakashi resorted to flattery. I bet he spent all his money on Icha Icha books...

3 + 4. Poor kid. I'm almost wondering why either Kakashi or Yamato hasn't slapped naruto around the face yet for being so easily distracted by his optimism. Those "deadpan" expressions on their faces... classic.

5. T_T Kakashi's words confuse me once again.

6. I've been wondering when Kakashi was going to tell Naruto he could do the Rasengan. It seemed pretty obvious that Kakashi would at least want to try it out for himself. Being the "copy-nin" that he is, I'm sure Kakashi is always curious about new jutsu and adding them to his collection. (Weird, but it's almost like Kakashi is a little like Orochimaru in his own quest for new jutsu).

I also have to wonder if Sasuke has done the same thing and copied it...

7. Whoo, I'm excited :3 I have a small theory myself about what Naruto's going to come up with. You've already mentioned the "timebomb" thing with Kakashi, but I've been speculating that perhaps Naruto will do something along those lines, and place wind chakra inside the Rasengan, making it explode into a kind of tornado. It's one of the few things I can really think of. D:

8. Yup, I suspect we'll be seeing flashbacks of this scene too in the future. I'm really glad that Kakashi has finally said something like that to Naruto, it at last proves that Kakashi recognises Naruto's power. (Aww....!)

9. Interesting what you said about Kakuzu. You could be right. It's funny that these people are in such an organisation, yet they still hold fast to their personal beliefs and almost pull away from each other. I guess the reason these guys work together is something very complicated... because they certainly shouldn't be working together like this normally by all means.

10. I think maybe that Kishimoto doesn't know a lot about smokers, or Asuma just being "more disciplined" is true. Or perhaps Asuma has temporarily stopped smoking in respect of people who had once told him he shouldn't?

:D Nice comments again this week!

kiddo7
September 03, 2006, 08:59 PM
great 10 comments again!

I will not be commenting on each of your points this time but that does not mean that I enjoed them any less.

the confusing part for me was not so much when kakashi mentioned himself inventing chidori (which by the way, I am pretty sure is the exact same thing as raikiri i.e. Dog & kanine, acording to multiple sources) but rather when he preformed the rasengan. I mean I know that he can copy anything that is not a "kekkai genkai" but I still had to look at the pannel tree times before I actually beleived what i was seeing. Furthermore I still do not thuink that he can use it in battle, I am kinda hoping that he has m,astered it up untill a certain point only. Say 2 out of 3 steps? But that is just my wishfull thinking there is not enough reliability behind it to even call it a theory. Also this set of a bunch of questions in my mind. like what about Ero-sennin? did he ever complete the jutsu? if anyone did he would be the most likely. Though when I come to think about it even he never used it in battle in the manga. All he did was teach it to naruto, the one time he used it in the gambling house does not count, he was just showing off that time that was more like a demonstration for Naruto's sake than an actual battle. I really hope we learn more about the rasengan soon because there is obviously a lot to learn!

Gold Knight
September 03, 2006, 09:05 PM
Just a heads up to all who've read my comments up to this point... >.>

It's my own fault for only going by one translation before doing my Comments. Judging by the other translations we now have, I based Comment # 5 on an inaccurate translation. So, I've revised that comment with some additional notes that should be more relevant now that we know the Chidori is indeed a nature manipulation jutsu, unlike the Rasengan.

Moving on...



1. What more is there to say? It's Shikamaru! You know, for once I'd love to see a slightly romantic cover of Shikamaru and Temari >.> My inner fangirl-shipper is going crazy...

You fangirls are so cute XD


2. I find it funny that Kakashi is such a "smooth talker", yet kinda sucks when it comes to explaining things. Still, I love it that Kakashi resorted to flattery. I bet he spent all his money on Icha Icha books...

Probably right. He must wear all his books out and have to buy more. Haha.


5. T_T Kakashi's words confuse me once again.

It doesn't confuse me so much anymore now. Be sure to read the bottom of my comment there. :)


6. I've been wondering when Kakashi was going to tell Naruto he could do the Rasengan. It seemed pretty obvious that Kakashi would at least want to try it out for himself. Being the "copy-nin" that he is, I'm sure Kakashi is always curious about new jutsu and adding them to his collection. (Weird, but it's almost like Kakashi is a little like Orochimaru in his own quest for new jutsu).

Well, if he has the skill, why not use it? That's why Orochimaru wants the Sharingan so badly.


I also have to wonder if Sasuke has done the same thing and copied it...

Probably. :s


7. Whoo, I'm excited :3 I have a small theory myself about what Naruto's going to come up with. You've already mentioned the "timebomb" thing with Kakashi, but I've been speculating that perhaps Naruto will do something along those lines, and place wind chakra inside the Rasengan, making it explode into a kind of tornado. It's one of the few things I can really think of. D:

Good theory. I do hope it'll be a long-range attack. Like Neji, that's been Naruto's biggest flaw. He's best in close combat. Neji's already overcome that by developing a long range weapon of his own, now it's Naruto's turn.


8. Yup, I suspect we'll be seeing flashbacks of this scene too in the future. I'm really glad that Kakashi has finally said something like that to Naruto, it at last proves that Kakashi recognises Naruto's power. (Aww....!)

:wtf


9. Interesting what you said about Kakuzu. You could be right. It's funny that these people are in such an organisation, yet they still hold fast to their personal beliefs and almost pull away from each other. I guess the reason these guys work together is something very complicated... because they certainly shouldn't be working together like this normally by all means.

Yeah, they probably would be more comfortable killing each other XD


10. I think maybe that Kishimoto doesn't know a lot about smokers, or Asuma just being "more disciplined" is true. Or perhaps Asuma has temporarily stopped smoking in respect of people who had once told him he shouldn't?

:D Nice comments again this week!


Thanks! :D

Tanuki-dono
September 03, 2006, 09:56 PM
I do so love your reviews. Splendind, as usual. And I don't mind waiting for the high quality images! ^_~ And I adore the captions beneath each pic! :D

And the cover reminds <i>me</i> that I wish I had a brain like Shikamaru's. Though I had been doing a lot of musing over whether or not this foreshadowing regarding Asuma is a red herring. I spend a lot of the time wondering if this has connections to the past (and indeed how well Naruto was protected while growing up) and the other half wondering if I should be looking elsewhere, to see if someone else will die - a beloved character or perhaps a depserate Kurenai last second. Or maybe it's simply Hidan who's going to bite the dust. As for Shika, I love the kid. Always did. Even when he was borderline cowardly, the guessing game and the humor was much to my liking. :D As for sex appeal...whatcha talkling about?! OF COURSE there is more lately... I mean...YONDAIME WAS (sort of) IN THIS CHAPTER!

Smooth-talking. I can't tell you how much I (and my perv sister) enjoyed that. Training in deception? Hah. Even normal people do that! But anyway, just look at that adorable scene. Naruto looks the part of the perfect mischievous fox, Kakashi's hilariously sporting a nice victory, and Yamato.is.blushing. *snickers* Only human, indeed. Good point on the sempai thing. Until now, I had sort of thought of them as teammates, but it seems Kakashi has seniority after all! :D

And, ah yes. More learnig. Or reiterating. I would have liked to see Naruto ask more questions, and near the beginning, I do believe I remember him doing so and being told to slow down. *laughs* Anyway. Naruto learns so much like my little sister, it's pathetic. xD

Naruto's confidence. He's at least partially faking it, right? We know (he's said himself) that he often puts up a show. But anyway, I don't think there's any other way for for him to act, seeing as this is his tried and true approach to tackling any challenge. I think it's important to remember that his chipper attitude isn't always 100 percent genuine. Case in point. A few chapters back - he was sitting by himself, angsting about Sasuke and looking about ready to cry, and then Sakura and Sai showed and and <i>bam</i> - happy-go-lucky is back. And as for the route to Hokage, I think he understood somewhat that it wouldn't be easy...even from a young age. Ah, takes me back to Konohamaru chapter. I think the thing here is that it <i>sounds</i> a whole lot easier than it actually is. I mean, combining should be simple, right? Wrong. In my opinion, he won't master this one till crunch time anyway. (Maybe Kishimoto will even try and make us think he won't master it. :O) Something distracting will happen first - an attack - a gracious showing of the battle with the Akatsuki. Anyway, I hope Naruto won't be able to do it right away. It'll be more challenging than he could imagine. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway. Hopelessness, a touch of doubt. I'm betting Kishimoto will deliver in the long run. (How could he mis such an opportunity, after all?)

Oh, but those deadpan faces were funny. Kakashi has a better one, though. XP

Ah. You are a Godsend. I didn't quite understand the Chidori either. The way it was worded hinted as other meanings. Thanks for clearing it up. XD Kakashi, you confusing man, you! If if Raikiri had been that easy, he would have gone straight to that and skipped Chidori altogehter, eh?

Copycat. Yes, indeedy. Kakashi rules. (Seriously, I thought the fact he could do Rasengan was pretty awesome. XP) I love your crazy threories, btw. I hadn't even thought about such things so deeply! Now you have be hoping for something symbolic to Kakashi's character!

Ah. Yondaime did die so young. (I hope this doesn't spell doom for my MP3 player of the same name. Though Oscar has attempted to be Kyuubi quite a few times.)*sniffle* He wasn't a slacker, he was just busy! (Ahaha. Yes, I know you were joking.) I know some think it's dragging, but I like the backstory/explanation, too. I think it adds more importance to the training. Though I wonder what type of "special ability" or aptitude this is going to require. :S I'm horribly curious, but I don't have many good ideas.

Kakashi... *tears up* Man, that's high praise coming from him. Well, in the earlier volumes, he mused to himself over Naruto's potential, but this is monumental. And oh yes. That was a Hallmark moment that I believe will be drilled into our skulls again eventually - especially when an anime adaptation comes along. (They do tend to ...erm...repeat certain moments over and over in animation. *laughs*) And as for the whole chapte gaining a sense of unity in regards to the Ichiraku scene... That's one of my favorite things about Kishi --- execution. *happiness*

Hidan and Kakuzu... You pose interesting questions. The tensions between them seem very real. I think their sense teamwork needs some work! >:O

And wow. Chiriku was a very important friend. This serves to show us that Asuma is pretty serious about all of this, and of course, this fight has some personal meaning, too. This does not bode well for the future... Bring on the conflict, I say!

woush
September 03, 2006, 11:23 PM
sweet as always!

but I'm still a lil bit confused about kakashi's sharingan... how does it copy a technique? I mean... at first I though he could copy only someone's hand seals (zabuza vs kakashi in the early chapters) did he ever mention or did he ever show us a technique copied by only looking at it? I forgot ^^

fremeer
September 04, 2006, 12:18 AM
probably got taught by the 4th. In essence its not that difficult to teach it. Look how easy naruto got it :D

Adam_xx
September 04, 2006, 12:19 AM
Time for my 10 comments on your 10 comments!~ xD



1 Heh, his dad’s a total ass kicker isn’t he? xDD... Oohh, fan-girls, lucky guy, Shikamaru. :p


2. But isn’t Yamato an ANBU directly under Tsunade’s orders or something like that? Or was Kakashi was aswell? I dunno, Explain plox.. xP


3. Meh, looks like Naruto’s in for a hard time eh? :blink :p


4. Well, if he does complete this training, as Kakashi said, Naruto might surpass him. There must also be some form of jealousy in the two (Kakashi & Yamato). As you said, they worked theyre butts off and Naruto’s achieving this in less than half the time you usually would… :p


5. Meh, Rasengan’s just another fantastic jutsu by the 4th… :amuse


6. I don’t like the fact that Kishi let Kakashi have the Rasengan, even if he can copy it. It was a jutsu unique to Yondy, Jiraya, Naruto, all under direct tutelage of each other, even if Yondy did have Kakashi. A new jutsu by Kakashi eh? Well that’s more like it, I suppose… x33 :blink


7. Hmmm, it was a bit of a shock to hear that Rasengan was not a complete jutsu, I mean, with the power it had, it was a bit of a breath-stopper. :o


8. Wow, looks like Kakashi really does believe Naruto is “the one” hm? For Kakashi to say that, must be something big. We’ve seen in the earliest chapters that no ones passed under Kakashi except for Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke. It was pretty big for them to pass in the first place, but for Kakashi to really think of Naruto highly, is again, really big. Don’t you think so? GK-sama? xDD


9. I just know Kakazu’s gonna clash with Hidan sooner or later.


10. “Bonds”. Oh, I pity you Sasuke… xDD

A 4/5 stars for your comments this time around!~
Enjoyed it VERY much!~ ;)

The Fourth
September 04, 2006, 02:56 AM
nice comments GK

it seems to me as if there were 2 trainings taking place
Naruto trains his ninja skilles
and Shikamaru his..soul perhaps
I think its going to be an important part of the story when he finds out what Asumas motives are
makes me think this whole Asuma thing is just for him to change, to mature a bit again, like he did in the retrieve sasuke arc

about the new rasengan:
I dont think that its going to be a spinning windball
I mean this part of his training was never done before, so he has to figure it out like he did with rasengan. And I think his way of doing it is going to be as unique as his way was to do the rasengan back then

and one more thing:
YONDAIME!!! YAAAAAY :amuse

venicia777
September 04, 2006, 06:33 AM
great comments as usual. i love them.



However, Sasuke and Kakashi's Chidori probably doesn't have as high a level of nature manipulation as the Rasengan, but since it does employ some form manipulation (especially judging by Kakashi's allusion to it in explaining how he alters the shape of chakra), that's the reason it likely is still as strong as the Rasengan GK, i think you made a slight error here (comment 5 revised comment). the rasengan doesnt have any nature manipulation- right?


anyways, my only 2 cents is when did kakashi learn the rasengan? it looks like many are still confused about this. From his comments on chapter 321 pages 6-7 & 9 isnt it implied that he learnt the rasengan or a form of it before even acquiring the chidori? or are my interpretations wrong?

Luckas
September 04, 2006, 06:06 PM
Gold Knight your Ten Comments became a weekly must read as Naruto chapter, they are awesome.

1) First of all, I love the chapter title especcially coupled with the Shikamaru cover, even if they aren't directly related. Shikamaru expression is very unusual, surely the cover and the title set perfectly the mood for the chapter.

2) That part was hilarious, I would have never expected Yamato would be so simple. Needless to say Yamato is a well-rounded character.

3) e 4) You already said everything :eyeroll I'm very lazy :D

5) I just checked chapter 314, so repeating what you already said Gold Knight: Rasengan is only form/shape manipulation to the highest level and Chidori is both form/shape manipulation and elemental recomposition. Said that, now I think Chidori is a jutsu much more formidable I ever thought and great merit to Kakashi, who developed it and Sasuke, who learnt it in a few days, when both of them were very young. But this mean that Naruto's Rasengan is able to match a jutsu thecnically much more evolved, truly fantastic.

6) That point pose a question, did Kakashi copy rasengan or Yondaime thought him the jutsu?

7) I really liked this development and eagerly await to see the new and completed rasengan. I love this jutsu and the way it works.

8) That was a bit unexpceted, even if I don't think earlier Kakashi didn't give enough attention and credit to Naruto favouring Sasuke. But that's only my personal opinion, maybe wrong.

9) I think it's possible you are reading too much in the banter between Hidan and Kakuzu.

10) The friendship between Asuma and Chiriku could bring interesting developements.

11) In the last chapters Kishimoto was including a little humuour and the most obvious expalnation is that soon there never will not be place for that.

Gold Knight
September 04, 2006, 10:07 PM
I do so love your reviews. Splendind, as usual. And I don't mind waiting for the high quality images! ^_~ And I adore the captions beneath each pic! :D

:glomp


And the cover reminds <i>me</i> that I wish I had a brain like Shikamaru's. Though I had been doing a lot of musing over whether or not this foreshadowing regarding Asuma is a red herring. I spend a lot of the time wondering if this has connections to the past (and indeed how well Naruto was protected while growing up) and the other half wondering if I should be looking elsewhere, to see if someone else will die - a beloved character or perhaps a depserate Kurenai last second. Or maybe it's simply Hidan who's going to bite the dust. As for Shika, I love the kid. Always did. Even when he was borderline cowardly, the guessing game and the humor was much to my liking. :D As for sex appeal...whatcha talkling about?! OF COURSE there is more lately... I mean...YONDAIME WAS (sort of) IN THIS CHAPTER!

Yeah, I suppose the chapter was nearly exploding with sex appeal xD (Does that mean the Kakashi Gaiden was the most smexiest arc evah?) XD


Smooth-talking. I can't tell you how much I (and my perv sister) enjoyed that. Training in deception? Hah. Even normal people do that! But anyway, just look at that adorable scene. Naruto looks the part of the perfect mischievous fox, Kakashi's hilariously sporting a nice victory, and Yamato.is.blushing. *snickers* Only human, indeed. Good point on the sempai thing. Until now, I had sort of thought of them as teammates, but it seems Kakashi has seniority after all! :D

Weeell, Yamato's blushing because he probably doesn't get flattered like that by Kakashi all that often. :D


And, ah yes. More learnig. Or reiterating. I would have liked to see Naruto ask more questions, and near the beginning, I do believe I remember him doing so and being told to slow down. *laughs* Anyway. Naruto learns so much like my little sister, it's pathetic. xD

True, he was stopped from asking questions already... I still think it was pretty bad of Kakashi and Yamato just to stop answering his questions and tell him to start training already - especially since Naruto did have the Kage Bunshin up his sleeves as an ace. But I suppose neither thought Naruto was actually going to complete his wind manipulation training that quickly.


Naruto's confidence. He's at least partially faking it, right? We know (he's said himself) that he often puts up a show.

Good point - Naruto did say that to Hinata before the third exam.


But anyway, I don't think there's any other way for for him to act, seeing as this is his tried and true approach to tackling any challenge. I think it's important to remember that his chipper attitude isn't always 100 percent genuine. Case in point. A few chapters back - he was sitting by himself, angsting about Sasuke and looking about ready to cry, and then Sakura and Sai showed and and <i>bam</i> - happy-go-lucky is back. And as for the route to Hokage, I think he understood somewhat that it wouldn't be easy...even from a young age. Ah, takes me back to Konohamaru chapter. I think the thing here is that it <i>sounds</i> a whole lot easier than it actually is. I mean, combining should be simple, right? Wrong. In my opinion, he won't master this one till crunch time anyway. (Maybe Kishimoto will even try and make us think he won't master it. :O) Something distracting will happen first - an attack - a gracious showing of the battle with the Akatsuki. Anyway, I hope Naruto won't be able to do it right away. It'll be more challenging than he could imagine. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway. Hopelessness, a touch of doubt. I'm betting Kishimoto will deliver in the long run. (How could he mis such an opportunity, after all?)

I agree with you.


Oh, but those deadpan faces were funny. Kakashi has a better one, though. XP

I agree there also XD


Ah. You are a Godsend. I didn't quite understand the Chidori either. The way it was worded hinted as other meanings. Thanks for clearing it up. XD Kakashi, you confusing man, you! If if Raikiri had been that easy, he would have gone straight to that and skipped Chidori altogehter, eh?

Yeah, I think that was what he was trying to say here. Exactly. But with the accurate translation, he was also saying that the Chidori was a tough mix of nature and form manipulation too, I think. If it was that easy, everybody would know how to do Chidori.


Copycat. Yes, indeedy. Kakashi rules. (Seriously, I thought the fact he could do Rasengan was pretty awesome. XP) I love your crazy threories, btw. I hadn't even thought about such things so deeply! Now you have be hoping for something symbolic to Kakashi's character!

XD


Ah. Yondaime did die so young. (I hope this doesn't spell doom for my MP3 player of the same name. Though Oscar has attempted to be Kyuubi quite a few times.)*sniffle*

XDDDDD - Maybe name your next MP3 player Naruto. >.>


He wasn't a slacker, he was just busy! (Ahaha. Yes, I know you were joking.) I know some think it's dragging, but I like the backstory/explanation, too. I think it adds more importance to the training. Though I wonder what type of "special ability" or aptitude this is going to require. :S I'm horribly curious, but I don't have many good ideas.

Yeah, it's going to be an interesting training to watch.


Kakashi... *tears up* Man, that's high praise coming from him. Well, in the earlier volumes, he mused to himself over Naruto's potential, but this is monumental. And oh yes. That was a Hallmark moment that I believe will be drilled into our skulls again eventually - especially when an anime adaptation comes along. (They do tend to ...erm...repeat certain moments over and over in animation. *laughs*) And as for the whole chapte gaining a sense of unity in regards to the Ichiraku scene... That's one of my favorite things about Kishi --- execution. *happiness*

Heh, there WILL be a flashback at some point, for sure...

And the story execution here was great, I think. :)


Hidan and Kakuzu... You pose interesting questions. The tensions between them seem very real. I think their sense teamwork needs some work! >:O

I think when it comes down to crunch time, all the Akatsuki partners know how to work together, since they spend so much time with each other. We found out that Kakuzu and Hidan were deadly together against Chiriku and his people, at least. But I wonder if Shikamaru isn't going to try to cause some fricition between the two at some point, sensing it as a potential winning situation...?


And wow. Chiriku was a very important friend. This serves to show us that Asuma is pretty serious about all of this, and of course, this fight has some personal meaning, too. This does not bode well for the future... Bring on the conflict, I say!


Yes! :knk Thanks for commenting Erin :glomp



sweet as always!

but I'm still a lil bit confused about kakashi's sharingan... how does it copy a technique? I mean... at first I though he could copy only someone's hand seals (zabuza vs kakashi in the early chapters) did he ever mention or did he ever show us a technique copied by only looking at it? I forgot ^^


Once Kakashi or Sasuke or Itachi sees a technique being performed, they can discern exactly how it's done and copy it. Unless it's something that their own genes are insufficient enough to provide them with the necessary skills (hence their inability to copy 'Bloodlimits' like Haku's ice mirrors.) I don't think the Rasengan counts though. In fact, I'd be willing to agree with fremeer that Kakashi could have already learned the Rasengan from witnessing Yondy with it a long time ago. Maybe that's the first time he ever used Obito's Sharingan to copy a technique, for all we know.



Time for my 10 comments on your 10 comments!~ xD

1 Heh, his dad’s a total ass kicker isn’t he? xDD... Oohh, fan-girls, lucky guy, Shikamaru. :p

2. But isn’t Yamato an ANBU directly under Tsunade’s orders or something like that? Or was Kakashi was aswell? I dunno, Explain plox.. xP

I don't know for sure, but ANBU teams are probably usually four-man cells, too. Likely they all have one "captain" leading them - the field commander. Kakashi was probably in charge of Yamato and Yugao's team when they both first entered the ANBU. Now Yamato and Yugao are both likely field commanders in their own right, though. Kakashi has moved on from the ANBU, after all. But yes, now Yamato only answers to Tsunade.


3. Meh, looks like Naruto’s in for a hard time eh? :blink :p

4. Well, if he does complete this training, as Kakashi said, Naruto might surpass him. There must also be some form of jealousy in the two (Kakashi & Yamato). As you said, they worked theyre butts off and Naruto’s achieving this in less than half the time you usually would… :p

Ha. I don't think they'd be jealous though. Naruto is going to be on their side, after all. They just weren't very amused by Naruto's attitude here.


5. Meh, Rasengan’s just another fantastic jutsu by the 4th… :amuse

6. I don’t like the fact that Kishi let Kakashi have the Rasengan, even if he can copy it. It was a jutsu unique to Yondy, Jiraya, Naruto, all under direct tutelage of each other, even if Yondy did have Kakashi. A new jutsu by Kakashi eh? Well that’s more like it, I suppose… x33 :blink

I had the impression that only Yondy, Jiraiya, and Naruto could do it too. One thing I DON'T like about this new development is that Sasuke most likely can do the Rasengan as well. Now it's not such an unique weapon anymore.


7. Hmmm, it was a bit of a shock to hear that Rasengan was not a complete jutsu, I mean, with the power it had, it was a bit of a breath-stopper. :o

Yeah. Always something more. ;) But that's the way manga goes. It won't stop with this "new jutsu" either, Naruto will still go on to learn some more even amazing attacks, probably.


8. Wow, looks like Kakashi really does believe Naruto is “the one” hm? For Kakashi to say that, must be something big. We’ve seen in the earliest chapters that no ones passed under Kakashi except for Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke. It was pretty big for them to pass in the first place, but for Kakashi to really think of Naruto highly, is again, really big. Don’t you think so? GK-sama? xDD

Darn tootin' yes.


9. I just know Kakazu’s gonna clash with Hidan sooner or later.

Agreed.


10. “Bonds”. Oh, I pity you Sasuke… xDD

A 4/5 stars for your comments this time around!~
Enjoyed it VERY much!~ ;)


XD Thanks!



nice comments GK

it seems to me as if there were 2 trainings taking place
Naruto trains his ninja skilles
and Shikamaru his..soul perhaps
I think its going to be an important part of the story when he finds out what Asumas motives are
makes me think this whole Asuma thing is just for him to change, to mature a bit again, like he did in the retrieve sasuke arc

You could be right, but I think this storyarc will be more about Asuma than Shikamaru. But I'm sure Shikamaru will develop again as a result of the experience.


about the new rasengan:
I dont think that its going to be a spinning windball
I mean this part of his training was never done before, so he has to figure it out like he did with rasengan. And I think his way of doing it is going to be as unique as his way was to do the rasengan back then

I don't think it will be a spinning windball either, but I do hope it will be long-range.


and one more thing:
YONDAIME!!! YAAAAAY :amuse


Heh... XD



great comments as usual. i love them.
GK, i think you made a slight error here (comment 5 revised comment). the rasengan doesnt have any nature manipulation- right?

Yeah, you're right, I did write that comment in a hurry and ended up not saying it as well as I should have. What I meant was that the Chidori wasn't as high a level of nature manipulation as the Rasengan was form manipulation, but instead was a mix that still achieved just as much power. I've edited my comment there. Thanks for pointing it out :)


anyways, my only 2 cents is when did kakashi learn the rasengan? it looks like many are still confused about this. From his comments on chapter 321 pages 6-7 & 9 isnt it implied that he learnt the rasengan or a form of it before even acquiring the chidori? or are my interpretations wrong?


Well, Naruto only made an assumption, and Kakashi neither denied or confirmed it, so we still don't know for sure when he had learned the Rasengan. I wouldn't put it past Kakashi to have learned it from Yondaime by watching him long before he had ever seen Naruto use it, though.



5) I just checked chapter 314, so repeating what you already said Gold Knight: Rasengan is only form/shape manipulation to the highest level and Chidori is both form/shape manipulation and elemental recomposition. Said that, now I think Chidori is a jutsu much more formidable I ever thought and great merit to Kakashi, who developed it and Sasuke, who learnt it in a few days, when both of them were very young. But this mean that Naruto's Rasengan is able to match a jutsu thecnically much more evolved, truly fantastic.

Good point about the Chidori there being more extraordinary than we all thought, but some probably already suspected it after seeing how well it fared against the Rasengan, Yondy's own jutsu. Yeah.


6) That point pose a question, did Kakashi copy rasengan or Yondaime thought him the jutsu?

Yes, that's what I'm asking as well.



9) I think it's possible you are reading too much in the banter between Hidan and Kakuzu.

Maybe. ;) We shall see! ;D

Thanks all for your comments and support once again. :)

venicia777
September 04, 2006, 10:39 PM
Why, you really know how to reply too. What a long one. Good job.

Anyways, concerning my query about the time when kakashi actually learnt the rasengan, now you see why i asked it. With narutos happy go lucky attitude and response (321 page 6,7) kakashi says on (321 page 7)

"フッ…それならオレは千鳥を開発する必要はなかったよ
Heh... If that were the case then I wouldn't have needed to develop chidori

right after this, he does the rasengan, then says:


Page 9
Frame 2, Kakashi:
ああ…だが、ここまでだ
Yeah... But this was all I could do

Frame 3, Kakashi:
オレは螺旋丸の“形態変化”に“雷”の“性質変化”を組み合わせることが出来なかった
I wasn't able combine my "elementally recomposed" "lightning chakra" with the "spatially recomposed" chakra of the rasengan (using yoshitsune's trans)


combining these statements, better done if one reads over it once and then reads backwards the underlined statements, it seems to mean that he had to do the chidori with prior experience from doing the rasengan (a weaker form maybe) and failing- since he couldnt add his nature element (lightning) to it.

what do you guys think?

Adam_xx
September 04, 2006, 10:44 PM
But then how the hell is the Rasengan stronger than Chidori?

Gold Knight
September 05, 2006, 12:29 AM
Venicia77 - before I get to your post, I just have to ask if you're a guy or a lady. 'Cause you've been here a pretty long time, and it weirds me out that I still don't even know your gender! Not that it has anything to do with the topic, but I'm just asking out of sheer curiosity. ;)

Anyway, I don't think Kakashi's comment about the Chidori had anything to do with his learning the Rasengan. Because as we saw in the Gaiden, Kakashi had learned the Chidori shortly before he had obtained Obito's Sharingan eye. I don't think he would have learned the Rasengan even before then.

I think the Chidori comment was just to emphasize how difficult it was to incorporate nature AND reformat the shape of chakra at the same time.

I do think that Kakashi may have learned the Rasengan in order to experiment with it using his Chidori, but only after the fact. I don't think he had tried to do it while he was still on his first team.

white silver
September 05, 2006, 01:03 AM
[b][font=verdana][size=1]Gosh, the contradiction turned out to be a mistranslation! By the way [color=red]GK, it is said that the infamous phrase used by Orochimaru is "For he is stronger than I" was actually "For he is strong", could you clarify that. Now I'm really worried about mistranslations, oh the horror! Thanks to your comments, you've cleared that up. Well, good job!

Gold Knight
September 05, 2006, 01:11 AM
[b][font=verdana][size=1]Gosh, the contradiction turned out to be a mistranslation! By the way [color=red]GK, it is said that the infamous phrase used by Orochimaru is "For he is stronger than I" was actually "For he is strong", could you clarify that. Now I'm really worried about mistranslations, oh the horror! Thanks to your comments, you've cleared that up. Well, good job!


I think Iwanin already answered that somewhere. PM him about it. I believe that it was indeed that Itachi was stronger than Orochimaru, however. And it was confirmed by Sasuke recently, as well.

Orochimaru can't do much against a guy who can stab him 25,000,000 times in astral mode before he even gets a chance to do anything, after all...

kiddo7
September 05, 2006, 12:00 PM
I feel like I am being kind of ignored :confused :crying

shinwei
September 05, 2006, 01:41 PM
This chapter almost pushed me over the edge to stop reading Naruto forever - until I read your comments. Now, don't take offense yet, let me do some explaining.

First, I'll tell you what exactly happened on Thursday morning. I downloaded the raw and read it, and my frustration level rose to a point where I was incapacitated and didn’t feel like doing anything productive for the rest of the day. I logged into IRC and proceeded to vent my frustrations (I was civil, I didn’t curse or call anyone names) in #mangahelpers. Des and Froggles were around to listen to me “whine”. I thought I was making valid points, but they didn’t. They also couldn’t come up with any counter points so they just labeled me as a whiner.

Now, let me explain why I was frustrated.

I always pictured Naruto to be a manga that had thousands of neat and interesting jutsus on display. Kakashi is supposed to have copied thousands of jutsus by himself. The jutsu system that Kishimoto set up is a free-form blue ocean type of system that allows for a completely unrestricted creative showcase. What I mean by this is that the number and creativeness of jutsu in Naruto is limited only by Kishimoto’s ability to brainstorm. Why then, is pretty much every character in Naruto defined by just one (or two) jutsu and its many forms?

Chouji is defined by the multi-size jutsu, Shikamaru uses the shadow jutsu exclusively, and Deidara uses nothing but clay bombs. In the case of Kakashi, here we have a ninja that has copied over 1000 jutsu – yet in every major fight we see him get into, he uses nothing but the Chidori. What happened to the other 999 jutsu he has? Do they all just suck and are totally not worth using… ever? Kakashi’s little jutsu favoritism carried over to Sasuke as well. Since Sasuke also possesses the Sharingan, theoretically Kakashi should have just performed a few dozen jutsu and have Sasuke copy them instead of (or even in addition to) spending that month teaching him the Chidori. If the Sharingan works the way the man says it works, then why is Sasuke still defined by the Chidori instead of having a vast collection of copied jutsu from Orochimaru’s repertoire?

In the current chapter, we are dealing with Naruto. Last chapter, we see Naruto getting a grasp of his wind nature, and it cuts off with Kakashi promising to show us something interesting. The immediate thought that ran through our minds is as follows: “Wow, I wonder which jutsu(s) from Kakashi’s library we’ll see!” followed by, in my case: “Man, I sure hope he doesn’t just let us down and tell Naruto to upgrade the Rasengan like Sasuke upgraded the Chidori.” Well, it looks like I got let down.

I really hoped that Kakashi would say: “Good job Naruto, you got it! Now let me show you a few cool wind-elemental jutsus I’ve copied over the years!” Unfortunately, this is not the case. Once again, Kishimoto deftly avoids being put on the spotlight to showcase some new jutsu ideas that we haven’t seen before, and opts to simply upgrade an existing one. In my opinion, Kishimoto was already on probation having shown not a single new jutsu that Naruto learned during his 2.5 years with Jiraiya, and now he’s sinking even deeper.

That said, reading your comments has inspired me to read the next chapter when it comes out. I can't really explain why, but I do feel like I've gotten some kind of deeper insight by reading your post. Still, I am not very interested at all what the new, upgraded Rasengan is going to look like. I am a reader who has never understood the appeal of Kakashi (why do people like him so much?). And the only thing that I'm interested in seeing now is how Naruto's relationship with the Kyuubi is going to progress.

Gold Knight
September 05, 2006, 02:29 PM
Sorry kiddo7. Didn't see your post 'til now.



great 10 comments again!

I will not be commenting on each of your points this time but that does not mean that I enjoed them any less.

the confusing part for me was not so much when kakashi mentioned himself inventing chidori (which by the way, I am pretty sure is the exact same thing as raikiri i.e. Dog & kanine, acording to multiple sources) but rather when he preformed the rasengan. I mean I know that he can copy anything that is not a "kekkai genkai" but I still had to look at the pannel tree times before I actually beleived what i was seeing.

Rasengan wasn't a "kekkai genkai" though, and as for Raikiri and Chidori being the same technique, nope - Databook says Chidori is A-rank and Raikiri is S-rank. See for yourself...

Chidori (http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6092/db1209chidorisyazxza6.jpg)

Raikiri (http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/7205/db1225raikirisyazxwc0.jpg)


Furthermore I still do not thuink that he can use it in battle, I am kinda hoping that he has m,astered it up untill a certain point only. Say 2 out of 3 steps?

If you go back and look at the difference between Step 2 and Step 3 of the Rasengan where Jiraiya was demonstrating it to Naruto, Kakashi's Rasengan definitely resembles Step 3.


But that is just my wishfull thinking there is not enough reliability behind it to even call it a theory. Also this set of a bunch of questions in my mind. like what about Ero-sennin? did he ever complete the jutsu? if anyone did he would be the most likely.

Good question.


Though when I come to think about it even he never used it in battle in the manga. All he did was teach it to naruto, the one time he used it in the gambling house does not count, he was just showing off that time that was more like a demonstration for Naruto's sake than an actual battle. I really hope we learn more about the rasengan soon because there is obviously a lot to learn!


Actually, we haven't really seen Jiraiya in REAL combat yet - his fight with Orochimaru didn't really count, because he was drugged at the time. So, hmm...

Thanks for commenting and sorry I waited so long to reply!



This chapter almost pushed me over the edge to stop reading Naruto forever - until I read your comments. Now, don't take offense yet, let me do some explaining.

First, I'll tell you what exactly happened on Thursday morning. I downloaded the raw and read it, and my frustration level rose to a point where I was incapacitated and didn’t feel like doing anything productive for the rest of the day. I logged into IRC and proceeded to vent my frustrations (I was civil, I didn’t curse or call anyone names) in #mangahelpers. Des and Froggles were around to listen to me “whine”. I thought I was making valid points, but they didn’t. They also couldn’t come up with any counter points so they just labeled me as a whiner.

That was bad of them... still, when you vent in IRC, you sort of take risks by upsetting other fans.


Now, let me explain why I was frustrated.

I always pictured Naruto to be a manga that had thousands of neat and interesting jutsus on display. Kakashi is supposed to have copied thousands of jutsus by himself. The jutsu system that Kishimoto set up is a free-form blue ocean type of system that allows for a completely unrestricted creative showcase. What I mean by this is that the number and creativeness of jutsu in Naruto is limited only by Kishimoto’s ability to brainstorm. Why then, is pretty much every character in Naruto defined by just one (or two) jutsu and its many forms?

Chouji is defined by the multi-size jutsu, Shikamaru uses the shadow jutsu exclusively, and Deidara uses nothing but clay bombs. In the case of Kakashi, here we have a ninja that has copied over 1000 jutsu – yet in every major fight we see him get into, he uses nothing but the Chidori. What happened to the other 999 jutsu he has? Do they all just suck and are totally not worth using… ever? Kakashi’s little jutsu favoritism carried over to Sasuke as well. Since Sasuke also possesses the Sharingan, theoretically Kakashi should have just performed a few dozen jutsu and have Sasuke copy them instead of (or even in addition to) spending that month teaching him the Chidori. If the Sharingan works the way the man says it works, then why is Sasuke still defined by the Chidori instead of having a vast collection of copied jutsu from Orochimaru’s repertoire?

To be honest, I wouldn't blame Sasuke because all of Orochimaru's favorite jutsus seem to involve snakes. Heh.

But yeah, I know what you mean. Even if Sasuke is most comfortable using the Chidori (and his Katon) I do wish he had showed us something totally different in the last fight. I suppose it's just Kishimoto being in love with the jutsus he created and wanting to do some different things with them.

Still, it does make sense when you think about it - even if Sasuke has learned new jutsus from Orochimaru, he's still the most familiar with Chidori. He probably used it the most in his training with Orochimaru just to stay alive. Especially if it killed 'em stinking snakes.

Kakashi SHOULD have showed us much more than just Chidori and the Sharingan and his earth jutsus by now, though. I totally agree there. Kishimoto doesn't exploit his copying skills nearly enough at all.


In the current chapter, we are dealing with Naruto. Last chapter, we see Naruto getting a grasp of his wind nature, and it cuts off with Kakashi promising to show us something interesting. The immediate thought that ran through our minds is as follows: “Wow, I wonder which jutsu(s) from Kakashi’s library we’ll see!” followed by, in my case: “Man, I sure hope he doesn’t just let us down and tell Naruto to upgrade the Rasengan like Sasuke upgraded the Chidori.” Well, it looks like I got let down.

I really hoped that Kakashi would say: “Good job Naruto, you got it! Now let me show you a few cool wind-elemental jutsus I’ve copied over the years!” Unfortunately, this is not the case. Once again, Kishimoto deftly avoids being put on the spotlight to showcase some new jutsu ideas that we haven’t seen before, and opts to simply upgrade an existing one. In my opinion, Kishimoto was already on probation having shown not a single new jutsu that Naruto learned during his 2.5 years with Jiraiya, and now he’s sinking even deeper.

I can't say I blame you. Your scenario sounds very appealing to me. Still, Naruto didn't have many jutsus in his repertoire to start with - he had the Kage Bunshin, and then the Rasengan. What else? (Ok, the Sexy no Jutsu.) If he's going to make an ultimate jutsu, it'd take longer for him to start from scratch than it would if he had some sort of template to work with. I think it's like that for most shinobi - even though there are a lot of jutsus out there that they can learn, they can progress even faster if they concentrate on just one or two preferred jutsus and become a specialist with these skills.


That said, reading your comments has inspired me to read the next chapter when it comes out. I can't really explain why, but I do feel like I've gotten some kind of deeper insight by reading your post. Still, I am not very interested at all what the new, upgraded Rasengan is going to look like. I am a reader who has never understood the appeal of Kakashi (why do people like him so much?). And the only thing that I'm interested in seeing now is how Naruto's relationship with the Kyuubi is going to progress.


That's another major part of the story for me as well, the Kyuubi and Naruto.

Thanks for commenting.

kiddo7
September 05, 2006, 06:20 PM
If you will allow me I would like to add my own two cents to the argument:
Kakashi actually has preformed a whole lot of jutsu aside from the chidori/raikiri (I now understand how they are different thanks to GK)
The reason they might not stand out that much is because Most of the time he uses them simultaneously as the opponent he is fighting examples; Momochi Zabuza, Kisame. But then he also used some doton and a few basic genjutsu during the "bell training" Kakashi only used the raikiri twice that I can remember. And then there is also the fact that he has not had a lot of fights that we have seen. because he uses up all his energy with the sharingan and then has to stay in bed for a week.

Now to Sasuke in part one he did not even posses the ability to copy ALL jutsu for the most time. untill the fight in the VotE he had only two "commas" in his sharingan. and yet he did use a whole lot of tai jutsu techniques and katon jutsu in addition to the chidori. He was also very proficien in the use of kunai and shuriken. You cannot seriously say that sasuke was a one-sided fighter. that said I still think you are right about all the haracters being defined by one or at most two techniques, and that is a shame but this should not color your opinion about the few that have benn known to use more than three.

That's all from me.

P.S. @GK thank you for your reply. I knew this had to be some mistake and that you could not have any reason to ignore me any more than the next person. It's just that your opinions on our comments are often nearly as important to some of us, as being able to read the 10 comments on every chapter in the first place.

glasskatana
September 05, 2006, 06:48 PM
Great comments as always. I would have given this chapter a 5 out of 5 myself. I haven't had time to read everyone's comments (what with school starting, and weddings and so on) so I'm going to offer my own explanation of chidori/rasegan/raikiri speech.

Chidori is a jutsu that relies on both nature manipulation and shape manipulation. Kakashi alters the element to lightning through nature manipulation and the gives the jutsu it's shape, range, and conentration through shape manipulation. I don't think this means that he has lightning chakra and then regular chakra that alters it's shape, but rather that he is altering the shape of the lightning itself. In other words, he's holding a super-concentrated ball of lightning that makes sound. Though this is just my opinion. I'd say that Chidori has D or C rank Shape manipulation involved.

Raikiri (which I always assumed was the same thing, though I've heard differently and now am pretty sure that they are different) is basically the exact same jutsu. The difference is only in the shape manipulation. Kakashi manipulates the shape of the lightning so that it is more concentrated and makes no sound. In other words he applies B rank shape manipulation with nature manipulation instead of D or C rank. Thus an S-ranked jutsu is created.

Naruto is attempting to use Super-A rank shape manipulation, some would say the highest form of shape manipulation, and then altering it's nature. (or altering it's nature and then it's shape, whichever order he chooses has yet to be seen) If B-rank shape manipulation with nature manipulation makes an S-class jutsu, the raikiri for example, then Super-A rank shape manipulation with nature manipulation would make a jutsu even higher than S class. Kakashi says in this chapter that if Naruto succeeds the jutsu would be S-class or higher.

I hope this has cleared things up, and if someone has already said basically the same thing, then my apologies. :amuse

Iwanin
September 05, 2006, 07:16 PM
Nice read as always, Phil!

I didn't really go carefully over *every* post, but here are a couple of observations:

1. I was very happy with Kakashi's show of faith in Naruto as well, but I have to say it's not the first time. If you look all the way back to the first major arc, Kakashi always had positive remarks about Naruto and not once did he ever question his ability to one day become Hokage (unlike just about every other character out there).

Right before they start the "tree climbing" training, he expresses that Naruto's the one who's improved the most, and as soon as they start the training there's a scene where he says he's looking forward to seeing him improve "because you have much more chakra than Sasuke...and probably more than myself, even.*"

*Iwa memory based retro translation: do not look for the line to be like this exactly.

When Zabuza insist on calling the kids "gaki" (brats), Kakashi shoots back saying his team's made up of Sasuke, a genius; Sakura the brightest girl in Konoha; and Naruto, Konoha's loudest and most unpredictable ninja - a compliment, given the context.

And in this current arc, when Kakashi first mentions the training, he says right off the bat "with this training method, you might even surpass me in a way." He then says, before they even start, that the purpose is to create a Jutsu greater than Rasengan that'll be exclusive to Naruto. Then he says that it's for that very reason that he needs Naruto to master "seishitsuhenka" (elemental recomposition or however you wanna translate it).

What I mean is that right from the start, it's clear his purpose was to have Naruto add his "element" to rasengan - to complete the jutsu. So he's not just suddenly developed faith in him, he's had it from the very beginning. :)

2. Dunno if this has been mentioned before, but just in case it hasn't... Sharingan doesn't automatically copy jutsu - it just shows you how a jutsu is done. You have to have the *ability* to reproduce it yourself in order to successfully *copy* it. So not just anyone with Sharingan can copy something like Rasengan: it's an A-Rank ninjutsu. You need to have the skill to do it. Obviously, Kakashi does. But, say, Sasuke and his then incomplete Sharingan definitely didn't when he fought Naruto at the end of the first part. It also explains why Sasuke didn't copy every last jutsu Orochimaru threw at him: quite simply, he wasn't up to it. He copied Lee's jutsus, but only because they were relatively easy.

3. I haven't even had the chance to read the translations out there for this chapter, but while "smooth talker" is definitely a viable translation, I would have gone with "A way with words." Of course, "kuchi ga umai" could also be translated as "tasty mouth," so... If anyone's interested in babblefishing the text for this chapter... I'm sure it would yield interesting results... ;)

4. I get the feeling Sasuke's "that jutsu" will be something like a turbo chidori, the counterpart to which will be Naruto's Complete Rasengan. 'makes sense. I'm sure someone's remarked this already in this or some other thread, though.

5. Orochimaru *does* say Itachi's stronger than him. No doubt. No two ways to read that line, no siree. It's also featured in the Databook, with Kishi commenting "even Orochimaru says 'stronger than I' " .... if that weren't enough, Sasuke made it clear in his last appearence that both he and Orochimaru believe neither of them could beat Itachi. So that's that (Naruto's gonna beat him at the end of the series, I'd wager).

6. Chidori's an A Rank Ninjutsu. Raikiri (Kakashi's version of chidori) is S Rank. Rasengan is a jutsu that takes shape manipulation to the highest level AND it's difficulty happens to be A. Oh, and just about every jutsu Naruto does is either rank A or B, because Mass Kagebunshin and regular Kagebunshin are ranks A and B respectively. Naruto has no C or even D rank jutsus.

glasskatana
September 05, 2006, 07:25 PM
is kage bunshin really only a B rank jutsu? And yet it seems so rare (not to mention forbidden.) I'd wager it's low A-class, while Mass Kage Bunshin is mid to high A-rank. Of course, you might be taking this info from the databooks in which case you are correct.

kiddo7
September 05, 2006, 08:32 PM
Is there anyplace I can get the databooks in english? so far the only downloads I have found where in Japanese. And my Japanese is only good enough to help me understand the most frequently spoken words, while I have no reading skills what-so-ever.

Luckas
September 05, 2006, 08:46 PM
1. I was very happy with Kakashi's show of faith in Naruto as well, but I have to say it's not the first time. If you look all the way back to the first major arc, Kakashi always had positive remarks about Naruto and not once did he ever question his ability to one day become Hokage (unlike just about every other character out there).

Right before they start the "tree climbing" training, he expresses that Naruto's the one who's improved the most, and as soon as they start the training there's a scene where he says he's looking forward to seeing him improve "because you have much more chakra than Sasuke...and probably more than myself, even.*"

*Iwa memory based retro translation: do not look for the line to be like this exactly.

When Zabuza insist on calling the kids "gaki" (brats), Kakashi shoots back saying his team's made up of Sasuke, a genius; Sakura the brightest girl in Konoha; and Naruto, Konoha's loudest and most unpredictable ninja - a compliment, given the context.

And in this current arc, when Kakashi first mentions the training, he says right off the bat "with this training method, you might even surpass me in a way." He then says, before they even start, that the purpose is to create a Jutsu greater than Rasengan that'll be exclusive to Naruto. Then he says that it's for that very reason that he needs Naruto to master "seishitsuhenka" (elemental recomposition or however you wanna translate it).

What I mean is that right from the start, it's clear his purpose was to have Naruto add his "element" to rasengan - to complete the jutsu. So he's not just suddenly developed faith in him, he's had it from the very beginning. :)
I agree with you, Kakashi saw from the beginning the potential in Naruto.

glasskatana
September 05, 2006, 08:51 PM
btw, though Raikiri is stated in the databooks to be an S-class jutsu, while Chidori is and A-class, I have yet to find the reason why. I always assumed it must be because the raikiri has somehow had it's sound removed. But I have not found any mentioning of such.

Gold Knight
September 05, 2006, 10:13 PM
Iwanin's having internet troubles, so he wanted me to answer glasskatana's post as thus:

Iwanin says:
It's a B rank jutsu.
Iwanin says:
Regular Kagebunshin is not borbidden - only MASS kagebunshin.
Iwanin says:
Also, just about any high-level ninja can do it. We've seen, so far, Kakashi, Itachi and Orochimaru do it - of those that spring to mind.
Iwanin says:
Mass kagebunshin we've only seen Naruto do.. technically Kakashi did it too BUT... it was only to frighten Gatou's army.
Iwanin says:
It endangers the life of the person who performs it unless you have a ridiculous amount of chakra like naruto.

As for Kakashi's seeing the potential in Naruto from the beginning, yes, but he neglected that in order to try to train Sasuke instead of him during the Third Exams. Kakashi was also quite shocked to see that Naruto had learned the Rasengan. Don't forget that he was still confused over how exactly Jiraiya had managed to teach it to him.

I'll try to do a more full reply to everybody's posts later - sorry, but I need sleep at the moment. ;)

glasskatana
September 05, 2006, 10:22 PM
Iwanin's having internet troubles, so he wanted me to answer glasskatana's post as thus:

Iwanin says:
It's a B rank jutsu.
Iwanin says:
Regular Kagebunshin is not borbidden - only MASS kagebunshin.
Iwanin says:
Also, just about any high-level ninja can do it. We've seen, so far, Kakashi, Itachi and Orochimaru do it - of those that spring to mind.
Iwanin says:
Mass kagebunshin we've only seen Naruto do.. technically Kakashi did it too BUT... it was only to frighten Gatou's army.
Iwanin says:
It endangers the life of the person who performs it unless you have a ridiculous amount of chakra like naruto.
Thanks for the helpful info, (though I always thought kage bunshin was also a forbidden technique, I will trust you).


I'll try to do a more full reply to everybody's posts later - sorry, but I need sleep at the moment. ;)

YAY!

Iwanin
September 05, 2006, 11:24 PM
Kakashi was also quite shocked to see that Naruto had learned the Rasengan. Don't forget that he was still confused over how exactly Jiraiya had managed to teach it to him.


Actually, I don't remember him being shocked... he just casually remarked "that jutsu just now was Rasengan..." when he first saw it. He didn't go "masaka" or anything...

Also, his recent remark on Jiraiya teaching him rasengan... IIRC it was something like this "Gotta hand it to Jiraiya sama - how he managed to teach this kid a jutsu like rasengan is beyond me"...right? I took it to be something like an exaggerated remark meant to express his frustration at Naruto's lack of brain power - as opposed to his potential - more than anything else... he said it when Naruto failed to deduce how the kagebunshin thing was going to speed up the training, so it was that - intellect, not potential.

He also remarks that since Naruto learns things by doing them (he learns through his body, i.e, his body remembers how to do things even if his mind doesn't get around the concept), the training will probably go well.

Of course, we may assume his faith in Naruto has grown stronger as the series has gone on, culminating in his decision to entrust him with the completion of rasengan. And it's really nice to hear from his own mouth that he believes in Naruto as much as Tsunade does. :)

Gold Knight
September 07, 2006, 01:22 AM
Still haven't found quite the time to reply to everybody, but:



Is there anyplace I can get the databooks in english? so far the only downloads I have found where in Japanese. And my Japanese is only good enough to help me understand the most frequently spoken words, while I have no reading skills what-so-ever.


We have a Databooks section here where you can get most of the scanlated pages. Check http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?board=65.0

SacredNic
September 07, 2006, 01:55 AM
I was so confused about the form and nature chakra manipulation (yep, I pulled a Naruto XD).

Thanks for presenting it clearly for us dense guys GK :tem

Luckas
September 07, 2006, 03:39 AM
I found a disappeared post :D
I remember I said to Iwanin I was glad that even others thought Kakashi acknowledged Naruto's potential from the beginning.

yeste
September 07, 2006, 04:04 AM
Damn it, my post is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!! F***... I'll try to find it....

I've looked trough my history, but I can't find it!!!!!

Ah, nevermind!!!

Luckas
September 07, 2006, 05:12 AM
Damn it, my post is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!! F***... I'll try to find it....

I've looked trough my history, but I can't find it!!!!!

Ah, nevermind!!!
If could console you I read it.

yeste
September 07, 2006, 06:37 AM
If could console you I read it.


Well, it wasn't some great post where i discovered and explained the truth about the known and unknown universe, so it's not a big deal that it was lost!!!

But I'm glad someone read it...

Thanks for this Luckas 04!!!

Luckas
September 07, 2006, 08:30 AM
Well, it wasn't some great post where i discovered and explained the truth about the known and unknown universe, so it's not a big deal that it was lost!!!

But I'm glad someone read it...

Thanks for this Luckas 04!!!
My pleasure. It was an interesting read especiallywhen you kept saying you had a lot to write but not enough time.

Gold Knight
September 07, 2006, 11:36 AM
Damn it, my post is gone!!!!!!!!!!!!! F***... I'll try to find it....

I've looked trough my history, but I can't find it!!!!!

Ah, nevermind!!!


A lot of the posts made the day of Sept 6 were unfortunately lost due to a server change - sorry about that :s