Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[[Cross]]

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Pc - 47p）

Bottom 7:
Nurarihyon
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar
Neuro ( Pc - 23p - End)
Op (absent)

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (C & Cp)
Gintama, Belzee (Cp)
Yûsuke Murata - OneShot (Cp - 51p )
Es21 (absent)

*sigh* R.I.P. Hoop Men.
How odd for Eyeshield to be absent for a week, I'd assume they would want to finish it without any delay. And what's that? Belze gets another colour? Can we consider it a hit?

[Maxy Barnard]

you're. fucking. kidding.

ANOTHER beelzebub colour? ugh spread em out, they'll mean more!

also a murata oneshot when eyeshields absent... weird

[hills100]

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Pc - 47p）

Bottom 7:
Nurarihyon
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar
Neuro ( Pc - 23p - End)
Op (absent)

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (C & Cp)
Gintama, Belzee (Cp)
Yûsuke Murata - OneShot (Cp - 51p )
Es21 (absent)

double issue,
op will have cover and color as well.

[Maxy Barnard]

well being a double issue usually means that op will be the focus, but it'll feature the protagonist of every series

[Rejuvenation]

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Pc - 47p）

Bottom 7:
Nurarihyon
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar
Neuro ( Pc - 23p - End)
Op (absent)

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (C & Cp)
Gintama, Belzee (Cp)
Yûsuke Murata - OneShot (Cp - 51p )
Es21 (absent)

Thanks for doing your job Hoop Men. Keep on saving other series until you get cut. :amuse

Sayonara Neuro. I've resisted reading the raws but I do hope those final chapters get scanned soon.

Nooooo! ES21 can't be absent or else it will take longer to finish! D:

But fuck yeah One Piece color pages and cover. :D

Beelzebub has another color as well so it could possibly be another hit for Jump. Either that, or Jump has confidence it can be with promotion. Just don't go the way of Double Arts please. x[

[[Cross]]

Or it might be going the way of Kuroko, and they're forcefeeding it colour pages, but I can't put my finger as to why.

[Maxy Barnard]

perhaps because the artist's former work as an assisstant has often gone unplugged (psyren) so wants it remedied with his own series

[Galactic Tomahawk]

About what I expected so far.

We're likely gonna get some pretty heavy promotion before we see Beelzebub's real rankings, whether they're good or bad.

Gotta agree with Noodles though, would be able to appreciate it a lot more if it wasn't barely a week after the last one.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I always find it odd when they give Oneshots color pages. Just seems like a waste of ink..

[Akainu]

Depends... some oneshots are actually a much better read than a few of the series out there :amuse (yet they never get the love they deserve :( )

[Maxy Barnard]

it gets a oneshot more attention with the online world so i can't complain

[Rejuvenation]

I'm very interested in where Sket and Psyren have placed this week. If they are closer to the center rather than just outside of the bottom 5 I'll be happy. Now Mago just needs to rise a bit.

[Maxy Barnard]

i reckon one of them will be in the top 5 at least.

and mago can stay where it is, it's D gray level solid, and that'll do it fine

[StrangerAtaru]

It does seem odd that we're this close to Beezle ranking and it keeps getting CPs, just like a few of the more recent newer series that seemed to have potential (Toriko, Bakuman, Kuroko). Is it actually confident of success or is it sort of showing from the early postcards?

The Murata one-shot...somehow I'm starting to think that he's beginning to set up for "life after ES21". I want the series done too but somehow with essentially only a half-game left (literally), life after ES21 is almost here and, being that Murata does seem to get rather well along with Jump staff (what being the artist for those posters last year), he's being given some space to experiment once again with new ideas and such. (though he really should wait until after ES21 is in the can)

And...we'll probably be saying it all week but I think it's time to stop and thank Matsui for one of the very few "mission accomplishes" we get in this magazine. For all those series that are forced to rush to a finale and just overextend itself, Neuro did everything it wanted and needed to do, just like Muhyo did with one less year. It will be weird to not have anything so...weird still in the magazine but I think Matsui will probably move on to stranger things with this done.

[[Cross]]

oh certainly, I'm pleasantly surprised that Neuro made it this far and did what it set out to do. Hopefully such a trend will catch on, but we can only dream.

[Crude]

Matsui needs a little time to improve his drawings. He's great at toning among other stuff, but his human characters always looked pretty bad (although Neuro looked alright).

I really don't get why Hoop Men is so low. It's got a refreshing story and cool characters, not to mention nice art (minus chapter 6 which didn't look that good, especially anatomy-wise). Is Kuroko that much better, at least in portraying action scenes?

[[Cross]]

Well in the initial chapters, there weren't as many scenes as Kuroko. Then again, I don't get it either, since I enjoy Hoop more than Kuroko.

[Maxy Barnard]

Sket seems close to accomplishing all it'd want to. i mean the only loose ends are true closure for the characters on everything, and any romantic ties to be finalised or exist.

love trouble accomplished all it wanted to a long time ago if post year 1 is evidence of anything (except celine, that was necessary).

generally series are getting to do what they want at the moment, and it's pleasing

[StrangerAtaru]

;1310013']oh certainly, I'm pleasantly surprised that Neuro made it this far and did what it set out to do. Hopefully such a trend will catch on, but we can only dream.

It all depends actually. As explained above, quite a few series get what they want to done within a time period, whether it be really short (Hatsukoi) or longer. There are some series though that really have more potential but screws with it...badly. (To-Love post year 1) And then there are some series that seem to finish their job, start something new with the same characters to keep it going and make a few more bucks...and it falls apart.

[Koen]

hey, anyone who can check if that box next to ichigo on the preview page is similar to this ToC. Man am I glad psyren has gotten out of that bottom for a while now :)

[Sexy Randal 105]

I think the jump editors are having a change of heart. They actually are letting series live!

[Rejuvenation]

I think the jump editors are having a change of heart. They actually are letting series live!

It might be too early to jump to that conclusion just yet. I want to see how things turn out by the end of this year first. >.>

Although if they really are starting to switch over to a less trigger happy state I'll be happy.

[Kaiten]

Could it be that fewer series are cancelable? There were so many cancellations in 2007 and 2008 because most of the new series from 2005, 2006, and 2007 were garbage. At any given point the entire bottom five could be filled with new series. With Neuro going their will only be two series from '05 - '07 still in the magazine, To Love Ru and Sket Dance. By contrast the four series that survived 2008 all have showed some sign of staying power. Toriko and Bakuman both appear to be magazine mainstays. Psyren debuted high and was constantly in the middle of the magazine for at 30 chapters. Recently it's climbed it's way back up. Mago also debuted high and stayed there for a long time. While it hasn't stayed out of the basement consistently it's developed enough of a fan base that tankobon sales are keeping it out of consistent danger. Those four series have locked up enough space that the editors probably wouldn't consider it worthwhile to add more then two series at a time. Most of that room will be made with cancellations from the class of 2009. I'm predicting high turn over from this years new series.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

There's also been more older series that have been ending lately, which in essence 'saves' a newer series, since that's one less series that would end at any given cut period.

Eyeshield 21 will also likely be ending later this year, which frees up lower ranked series a little more, as well.

[Kaiten]

Two of this weeks bottom five are over three years old but it won't help much. Hoop Men and Bokke - san are also in the bottom five. Both could be canceled before Eyeshield and ToRa end. I suspect three series will come in May with Hoop and Bokke ending. Eyeshield will most likely be stretched out till June or July with it's space being used for one of the August debuts.

[Digital_Eon]

Quick question - do my eyes deceive me, or is DGM not in that bottom... seven?

Farewell to Neuro. It had a great run, and it's a good sign that this series could end on its own terms.

[Kaiten]

Quick question - do my eyes deceive me, or is DGM not in that bottom... seven?


Huh. Didn't notice that myself. No your eyes are fine. DGM out of the bottom almost makes up for Mago being so low.

[kewl0210]

This is the issue corresponding to DGM's return, so it makes sense it's gone up.
Hoopmen's terrible, so it should bottom out.
Neuro ends, so something must replace it soon.
Beelzebub does seem pretty good. It sorta reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho, though I don't think it'll get that deep. If it does it could certainly be good, but it'll need to last past the opening arc. It does seem popular enough to, this will be its first ranked issue since it had a color page last week.

I dunno what's up with Eyeshield, but I'm glad OP gets color pages when it comes back.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

With Neuro going their will only be two series from '05 - '07 still in the magazine, To Love Ru and Sket Dance.


Didn't Psyren debut in December of 2007?
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Beelzebub does seem pretty good. It sorta reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho, though I don't think it'll get that deep. If it does it could certainly be good, but it'll need to last past the opening arc.


In what way does that ridulous series (I stop short of saying garbage) remind you of near-perfect Yu Yu Hakusho?

[Kaiten]

Manga anthologies start their fiscal year the first week of December. Psyren debuted in Issue 1 of 2008, released the first Monday of December, 2007.


This is the issue corresponding to DGM's return, so it makes sense it's gone up.

How so? This issue will be 7 weeks back.

[SSJWill4]

Manga anthologies start their fiscal year the first week of December. Psyren debuted in Issue 1 of 2008, released the first Monday of December, 2007.



How so? This issue will be 7 weeks back.

And it's 6 by my count. 21 - 6 = 15. Unless I'm totally wrong about when ranking starts counting. Is it 8 weeks, and is counting inclusive or exclusive?

[Maxy Barnard]

Didn't Psyren debut in December of 2007?
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In what way does that ridulous series (I stop short of saying garbage) remind you of near-perfect Yu Yu Hakusho?

oh i'm not letting you call yuyu hakusho a near perfect series. It had CONSTANT tonal shifts, inconsistent characterisation, plots that were either exceedingly generic (tournament), or exceedingly generic and cut off because togashi was done with it (second tournament in demon world)

the series had many cool moments (black chapter), but was one of the least perfect, most schizophrenic series ever.

near perfect. pah.

also beelzebub is pretty much... nothing like it, so i'll agree with you that much

[Crude]

They both have delinquents, demons and all-powerful babies though.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

oh i'm not letting you call yuyu hakusho a near perfect series. It had CONSTANT tonal shifts, inconsistent characterisation, plots that were either exceedingly generic (tournament), or exceedingly generic and cut off because togashi was done with it (second tournament in demon world). The series had many cool moments (black chapter), but was one of the least perfect, most schizophrenic series ever.



What makes you say that it had imperfect characterization and constant tonal shifts? And yeah, I'll admit that I'm bias on tournaments. Love em to death. And Yu Yu Hakusho did it better than any series I can think of. Guess for me it's cool fights and powers first, character development second...not to mention it has one of my five top anime villains of all time (Sensui).

[Tensai_Sakuragi]

oh i'm not letting you call yuyu hakusho a near perfect series. It had CONSTANT tonal shifts, inconsistent characterisation, plots that were either exceedingly generic (tournament), or exceedingly generic and cut off because togashi was done with it (second tournament in demon world)

the series had many cool moments (black chapter), but was one of the least perfect, most schizophrenic series ever.

near perfect. pah.

also beelzebub is pretty much... nothing like it, so i'll agree with you that much

Well, it´s still one of the best things to ever be serialized in SJ.
I mean, come on. You can call Togashi lazy, wicked or whatever.

But the guy is genius when it comes to shonen. Seriously.
His characters are likeable as hell, his twists and concepts are neat, and Yusuke Urameshi is just godly as a main character(much better than 80% of the wimpy mofos we get nowadays...:p).

So yeah. It´s no Slam Dunk, Houshin Engi or Dragon Ball, but it´s still classic stuff.

[Maxy Barnard]

oh togashi's talented. i love hunter x hunter, and like Level E. but yuyu hakusho changes how it is constantly, and outside of the awesome might of sensui never felt like it had anyone consistent and interesting (which when we're talking about someone with multiple personality disorder is really saying something)

but like dragon ball it's not a critic's sorta thing, it's just amazing fun if ya can look past the flaws

[kewl0210]

I meant "it reminds me" as in it seems like it has a lot of t he same concepts. Has the "turning into a demon/demon tatoos" has the "shinigami girl side kick" has the "devil king baby" has the "delinquent guy as the main character" "rival with a pompadour" and a lot of that sorta thing. I could try to fudge a few more similarities but I won't. Not so much in terms of actual plot. Not yet anyway, it's 8 chapters long.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Reminds me more of Gash Bell than YYH.

Less so in the last couple chapters, but that was one of the first comparisons I noticed.

[GARusashi]

Yeah I notice the Gash Bell definitely, especially when rivals will show up sooner or later who also have candidates for Demon King

[Kaiten]

Episode 1 of Hatsukoi Ltd. was pretty good. Fans of the manga should definitely give it a try!

[Sexy Randal 105]

Wow, I think Beezlebub decided to be a battle manga with light comedy elements. I really think it will catch on soon.

[[Cross]]

Episode 1 of Hatsukoi Ltd. was pretty good. Fans of the manga should definitely give it a try!

Yeah it was, though the first episode may be deceiving (TLR >=[), but so far it looks solid.

[Kaiten]

;1311689']Yeah it was, though the first episode may be deceiving (TLR >=[), but so far it looks solid.

At least with Hatsukoi the first chapter (thus first episode) was one of my least favorites. I'm looking forward to Yamamoto's introduction in episode 2.

[[Cross]]

At least with Hatsukoi the first chapter (thus first episode) was one of my least favorites. I'm looking forward to Yamamoto's introduction in episode 2.

I couldn't agree more, I don't care much for the first episode when considering episode two, bring on Yamamoto!

[Kaiten]

lol! I loved her introduction, should be great animated. What I'm really looking forward to is the chocolate bomber arc. Without a doubt it's my favorite part of the series! Bonus points to J.C. Staff for making the ED all fanservice ;)

[Maxy Barnard]

hatsukoi limited could end up being my favourite adaptation in.... well, since gintama, or buso renkin. it's solid, and shows just how amazing the source material is in how acceptable the admittedly inferior adaptation is...

[Dofla]

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (Cp)
Naruto
Toriko
Bleach (C)
Reborn
Inumaru
Belzee
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Cp - 47p）
Kuroko no Basket
Gintama
Gray
Kochi Kame
Sket
Neuro (Cp - 23p - End)
Psyren
Nurari
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I'm so dissappointed to see that Psyren dropped back down...and wasn't Bakuman supposed to get the cover?

[Koen]

Kinda strange, a cover of ichigo is posted and this ToC says it's a bakuman cover. Odd...

Anyway psyren just out of the danger zone. Well I think the airport events (they were discussed in the psyren section as an okay chapter where nothing much didn't happen) are now rated and I expect it to get higher later on ^^

and my: with es21 absent next week and neuro ended, I even would expect it in it :p

[Dofla]

Kinda strange, a cover of ichigo is posted and this ToC says it's a bakuman cover. Odd...


They both appear in the cover ^^
But to be honest Ichigo got the most of it so it's a Bleach cover >_>

[Rejuvenation]

That is a freaking Bleach cover, hardly a Bakuman one. Ugh Jump. -___-


#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Naruto
Toriko
Bleach (C)
Reborn
Inumaru
Belzee
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Cp - 47p）
Kuroko no Basket
Gintama
Gray
Kochi Kame
Sket
Neuro (Cp - 23p - End)
Psyren
Nurari
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar

Hmm so the top 3 are Naruto, Toriko, and Reborn. I'm cool with that.

Oh crap, is that Beelzebub's first real ranking? Top 5 is pretty high. :o

Hmm Kuroko just after it and DGM has risen. I'd be happy if Psyren swapped with Inumaru.

Anyway, this is a pretty good ToC for me minus a few things.

[StrangerAtaru]

Weird listings is weird: Inumaru and Beezle in the top five confirms that. (though Beezle being top 5 may show it's potential) And Psyren...well its still out of the Bottom 5 so it's not like it's in danger compared to some other stuff.

[andrewsungchehau]

1st time posting in this discussion.:)

I'm surprise Reborn is so high when it's focusing on training. D Gray Man had risen which makes me really happy.xD Hope it risen up more in the future.:D

P.S. How come people hate action manga/chapters that much when most of those manga/chapters were popular(top1-5)?? I can understand those long action one(Naruto and Bleach), but why the short one??

[Maxy Barnard]

inudash rising up the ranks continues to prove it's a relatively 'popular with critics, not with tank buyers' manga, and i'm happy for beelzebub, but i miss sket being as high as it was. perhaps it'll swap with kuroko soon

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

LOL that's a Bleach cover, hardly any Bakuman.

[Kaiten]

What's up with all the stolen covers this year? And Bleach hardly counts as un - ranked; even with the cover it's in third, it's usual position. Does anyone believe it would have been higher or lower without it?

1. Naruto
2. Toriko
3. Bleach
4. Reborn
5. Inumaru
6. Beelzebub
7. Kuroko
8. Gintama
9. Gray
10. Kochikame
11. Sket
12. Psyren
13. Mago
14. Eyeshield
15. Bokke
16. Hoop
17. To Love Ru

[StrangerAtaru]

Bleach actually would be 4th if OP was in the mix...Toriko really has change things.

[Kaiten]

Forgot. OP taking the week off pushes everything up one. Here's a cam of the TOC, Dofla posted it at Ritual. It makes it fairly obvious what is and isn't ranked. Been a while since one was posted.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7196/sommaire.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sommaire.jpg)

[mmlcs36]

Shounen Jump #21 (4/20)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/kaze1028/721920.jpg


Forgot. OP taking the week off pushes everything up one. Here's a cam of the TOC, Dofla posted it at Ritual. It makes it fairly obvious what is and isn't ranked. Been a while since one was posted.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7196/sommaire.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sommaire.jpg)


How can you all receive JUMP in such a early time? :)

[Imitorar]

Hm, this ranking (http://members15.tsukaeru.net/hamada/jump/2009/jump0920.html) is rather interesting. One Piece and Naruto's averages are EXTREMELY close to each other. In fact, I think that with this week off, Naruto may pull ahead. But One Piece will be in first place next week, so it may balance out or pull ahead again. Honestly, I find that the most interesting thing about the ToC right now. I don't care for any of the new series' right now, and all of the series' that I like seem prettty secure in the magazine. I guess I have it to look forward to that I'm not in for a disspointment in May.

[Kaiten]

How can you all receive JUMP in such a early time?

Someone at Shueisha or the printer must have taken those pics. Jump goes to press this time of week.

Based on the rankings you posted Mago is twelfth, thanks Imitorar! Looks like it will move out of the bottom five soon.

Quick cheat to decipher what series is what (for any wondering): copy and paste the kanji to Amazon Japan. That only works if the series has a tankobon released.

[Magicoreo]

Augh, what is this, Bleach gets another cover?
I'm a fan of Bleach and all, but this is crazy.

I think this is the second time Bakuman gets it's cover stolen.
...
I'm pretty pissed.
At the same time, I thought Neuro should have gotten a cover.

[StrangerAtaru]

I'm pretty pissed.
At the same time, I thought Neuro should have gotten a cover.

No ending series ever gets the cover for it's "final chapter". Most likely due to probably not wanting to depress people and say "this is it, last chance" or some such. Usually the final cover/CP is probably a few chapters before the finale anyway. (though for Neuro...it hasn't had a cover since '07...at least)

[Magicoreo]

@StrangerAtaru
Oh, I see.
I never knew that!

But, it's just... not fair.
Shueisha never help out other series. As in promoting it.

[[Cross]]

No ending series ever gets the cover for it's "final chapter". Most likely due to probably not wanting to depress people and say "this is it, last chance" or some such. Usually the final cover/CP is probably a few chapters before the finale anyway. (though for Neuro...it hasn't had a cover since '07...at least)

You don't think One Piece or Kochi Kame (assuming it ever ends) would get a cover for the final chapter? While you are right that no other series in our memory has received a cover for their final chapter, none of them had as much an impact or longevity respectively as either of these two series.

[Kaiten]

Series don't always get the cover for their final chapter as the action may already be resolved. Better to give the last cover for the last chapter of the climactic fight then then when all the characters just wave goodbye. Prince of Tennis got it's last cover with three chapters left as this coincided with the last chapter of the final match. The last chapter also had color pages but no cover. Obviously One Piece and Kochikame will be special cases, as two of the three most popular manga ever.

[StrangerAtaru]

;1313599']You don't think One Piece or Kochi Kame (assuming it ever ends) would get a cover for the final chapter? While you are right that no other series in our memory has received a cover for their final chapter, none of them had as much an impact or longevity respectively as either of these two series.

The final chapter of Dragonball had the very first chapter of it's issue. But BOY was on the cover that week. That pretty much proves that the final cover and final chapter may never match, even for massive hits like them.

[SSJWill4]

;1313599']You don't think One Piece or Kochi Kame (assuming it ever ends) would get a cover for the final chapter? While you are right that no other series in our memory has received a cover for their final chapter, none of them had as much an impact or longevity respectively as either of these two series.

Even Dragon Ball didn't get a cover for its final chapter. It did get a whole color chapter though, which was nice. :)

[Sexy Randal 105]

Interesting week. Neuro finally ends, Psyren just above the death pit, and mago barely inside it. Still, a pretty good toc. Now some space is finally cleared for some new series.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Let's hope they come sooner rather than later.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Series don't always get the cover for their final chapter as the action may already be resolved. Better to give the last cover for the last chapter of the climactic fight then then when all the characters just wave goodbye. Prince of Tennis got it's last cover with three chapters left as this coincided with the last chapter of the final match. The last chapter also had color pages but no cover. Obviously One Piece and Kochikame will be special cases, as two of the three most popular manga ever.

That's not true, actually. The final match didn't wrap up until the second or third page of the final chapter (although it was essentially finished by the end of the penultimate chapter).

Either way, the fact that even Dragon Ball didn't get a cover for its end pretty much proves the point. Series don't get covers for the last issue.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Is it possible that we might see a one-shot from the January Akamaru Jump serialized? I'm not sure of the process (should read Bakuman more closely), but doesn't the best one get a series? Or is it too early?

[Kaiten]

The best Akamaru Jump stories are not necessarily serialized.

[Maxy Barnard]

pretty sure the norm is for the highest rated akamaru chapters to get run in WSJ and then the chance for serialisation appears

[Majin_Reid]

Not trying to sound like a know it all or anything, but Slam Dunk had the cover, a color, and the front position for it's final chapter.

[Rejuvenation]

^If that is the case it means that nothing is set in stone. It can just go either way.

That aside, I do feel that Neuro should have gotten a cover sometime within its last chapters rather than just color pages.

[Kaiten]

Color pages are more then most series get. Of all the series to end in 2008 and 2009 TeniPuri was the only to get the cover to commemorate it's ending. Hell, Neuro is the only other series to get color for it's last chapter. That's quite an achievement. It's not like Neuro was that popular.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Not trying to sound like a know it all or anything, but Slam Dunk had the cover, a color, and the front position for it's final chapter.

Interesting. It's pretty surprising that they would do that for Slam Dunk, but not for Dragon Ball. Still, that's cool to know.

[Maxy Barnard]

slam dunk changed the country. dragon ball just consumed their money.

and P2 was rewarded for it's survival towards the end (cover for anniversary, preceded by colour page), but i can't think of many other series that were given something for what they managed recently (Yushagaku perhaps)... oh wait maison du penguin, for surviving a whole year of not being any good and getting high ratings anyway

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Last week's sales rankings (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-15/japanese-comic-ranking-april-7-13)

Totals for Jump titles so far:
One Piece Volume 53: 1,709,716
Bleach Volume 38: 681,808
Katekyo Hitman REBORN! Volume 24: 439,464
Gintama Volume 28: 387,015
To-Love-Ru Volume 13: 148,441
Nurarihyon no Mago Volume 4: 129,726
Shaman King Kanzenban Volume 27: 89,271

As expected, pretty strong second week sales for all the debuts from last week. Nurarihyon continues to be impressive, and To-Love-Ru continues to have good volume sales in spite of low ranking in the magazine.

And how about One Piece still charting in its sixth week of release?

[xi0]

FYI, Miyokawa Masaru also had a oneshot in Akamaru Spring 2008 I believe. Foo Fighter Fuji (http://mangahelpers.com/m/foo-fighter-fuji)

Maybe this added to the reason it's going to have a CP? *shrugs*

[Rejuvenation]

Last week's sales rankings (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-15/japanese-comic-ranking-april-7-13)

Totals for Jump titles so far:
One Piece Volume 53: 1,709,716
Bleach Volume 38: 681,808
Katekyo Hitman REBORN! Volume 24: 439,464
Gintama Volume 28: 387,015
To-Love-Ru Volume 13: 148,441
Nurarihyon no Mago Volume 4: 129,726
Shaman King Kanzenban Volume 27: 89,271

As expected, pretty strong second week sales for all the debuts from last week. Nurarihyon continues to be impressive, and To-Love-Ru continues to have good volume sales in spite of low ranking in the magazine.

And how about One Piece still charting in its sixth week of release?

Holy crap One Piece. O_O

Also great to see Mago selling so well. :D

[Heiji-sama]

Preview Shônen Jump #22-23 :
http://img240.imagevenue.com/loc382/th_81971_20-21_122_382lo.jpg (http://img240.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=81971_20-21_122_382lo.jpg)

[Sexy Randal 105]

I take it Blust is a oneshot.

[[Cross]]

Yeah most likely, since that looks like Murata's art.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Of course it is. But I hope someone uploads it all the same...it looks like it's action and I would like to see how Murata-sensei handles it...

[Mr. Prince]

it looks like it's action and I would like to see how Murata-sensei handles it...

Yeah, it should be. Text next to the picture says something like:
"Ultimate action in spades released by Eyeshield 21's Murata-sensei!"


Oh, and I think in the new Neuro chap it's said that Matsui will return with a new one shot in the july issue of SQ .

[Kaiten]

Murata's last attempt at action, or something like action, was terrible.

[[Cross]]

Out of curiosity, what was his last attempt at action, and why was it terrible?

[Kaiten]

Madofuki Park in Jump SQ. I found the characters and plot uninteresting. Maybe not terrible but unbearably mediocre IMO. At least the art was great.

[Maxy Barnard]

madofuki park was evidence that a unique idea and decent art doesn't make a good one shot

[Kaiten]

madofuki park was evidence that a unique idea and decent art doesn't make a good one shot

Well said. Could it be Murata needs Inagaki?

[[Cross]]

Well, if that's the case, then it doesn't bode well for Murata's potential to get a solo reputation. This new one-shot would probably be another chance to prove himself, if it doesn't do well, then it won't do well for his chances of getting serialized in the near future.

[Koen]

Well said. Could it be Murata needs Inagaki?

Well Obata tried it with blue dragon and failed. Maybe the same goes for murata. Some artist can draw good but they can't tell a story. They just need a storyteller ^^ Look at bakuman ;)

[StrangerAtaru]

Murata probably could just become an "artist for hire" like Obata and a few others, but I guess he just wants to break out of Inagaki's shadow with ES21 so close to over. Considering how much Jump has confidence in him, I guess that's why he feels this way.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Well Obata tried it with blue dragon and failed. Maybe the same goes for murata. Some artist can draw good but they can't tell a story. They just need a storyteller ^^ Look at bakuman ;)

Obata didn't write Blue Dragon. o______o

The only manga Obata wrote was Cyborg Jii-chan.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Obata didn't write Blue Dragon. o______o

The only manga Obata wrote was Cyborg Jii-chan.


He was refering to the fact that Obata tried to "break away" from Ohba and the result was a flop.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

He was refering to the fact that Obata tried to "break away" from Ohba and the result was a flop.

Of course, the series which is the biggest success of all those he's worked on was written by Hotta. It's not that he needs Ohba, he just needs a writer who can produce something that's actually good.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Hikaru no Go was bigger than Death Note? I didn't know that. I was aware that it started a huge Go phase in Asia though...


ps. I just looked at Madofuki park. I did not like it, but I don't see how it qualifys as action (especially when dealing with a magazine like Jump).

[[Cross]]

He was refering to the fact that Obata tried to "break away" from Ohba and the result was a flop.

Though, it can't really be Obata's fault, I mean it was the story not the art that flopped.

[The Adamant Dragon]

Glad we'll get 2 Chapters for One-Piece in the double issue before Golden Week. But I was wondering if other Mangas aside OP have been comfirmed to release 2 chapters, 'cause last year some Mangas didn't release 2 chapters for GW even if they were expected to. (My main interest is to know about D.Gray-Man and Naruto )

Ps: Sorry if the question has already been Answered.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

2 chapters of OP in one issue? where did you get that from? interesting.

Double issue doesn't mean two chapters at the same time so you can probably forget about Naruto.

[Koen]

Obata didn't write Blue Dragon. o______o

The only manga Obata wrote was Cyborg Jii-chan.


He was refering to the fact that Obata tried to "break away" from Ohba and the result was a flop.

Thank you deidara, I was referring as you said: he tried to "break away", etc

Sorry to say so: but Obata has been succesfull with Ohba twice now with Death Note and Bakuman. I won't judge Obata since his art is very good (to awesome) but he's definitely the guy who needs a storyteller

[The Adamant Dragon]

2 chapters of OP in one issue? where did you get that from? interesting.

Double issue doesn't mean two chapters at the same time so you can probably forget about Naruto.
Hmm, After giving this week's WJS Preview to a translator here at MH, aside beelzbub who gets 25 pages, + color pages it seems it says nothing special, but it was stated in a comfirmed spoiler at NF, though. So I'm not sure anymore.

As for Naruto:

Yeah, I know. And kishi is lazy anyway, but one can only hope right? :amuse

It'll sure be agonizing to wait 2 weeks to see how Nagato will go down... and I'm eager to know Naruto's answer. I hate Golden Week...

[xi0]

A Double Issue doesn't equal two chapters. Anthologies are always within a certain size range (pages) and if every series...or even half for that matter, put out double the the amount it would be a huge problem.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I really hope Naoshi comes back with something this round.

[Dofla]

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (Couv & Pc)
Gintama, Belzee (Pc)
Yûsuke Murata/Blust! - OneShot (Pc - 51p )
Es21 (absent)


Bottom :
Nurari
Gray
ToLove
Hoop
Jaguar
Bokke (End)

#24 (11/05) :
New series Nishio Ishin & Akira Akatsuki/ Medaka
Bleach, Kuroko (Pc)

#25 (18/05) :
New series Amano Yoichi/Suikoden

[[Cross]]

Woah, so there we have it, the end of Bokke. But there's a new series the week after that, and then another after that, should we assume that Hoop Men is sorta safe considering the space created by Bokke and Neuro for two new series, or is there a possibility for a third new series. But man, Hoop didn't just bomb, it straight out tanked. And Bleach as well as Kuroko get more colour pages, cheers. Even moreso, cheers for Medaka Box getting serialized, I might scanlate the oneshot, since it's gotten my interest now.

[Kaiten]

Medaka Box gets serialized!! Cool. I've wanted to read the one shot for a long time, looks really good. Amano Yoichi sounds really familiar, I feel like theirs a one shot I'm forgetting <_<

[¬Bol]

Hey but, when the hell is HxH supposed to come back?
I'm sure Suikoden will be a great series because of the author's surname (lol), but I'd really like to read 10 chapters of HxH...

However I'm happy Bokke ending, I couldn't stand that manga.

[GARusashi]

Ugh Medaka Box, how the hell did that get serialized. It looked like a shitty anime that would have a horrible following..

Hoop Man is definitely out the door with 2 new series starting up though. I wonder if Suikoden will be based off the video game... that'd be weird. He's the same guy who wrote Over Time though, right? I loved that manga.

[Mr. Prince]

Holy...if Hoop may live on for one more round I'm pleased MAX. Seeing how it's currently doing in the ToC I should be thankful for every week. XD


Amano Yoichi sounds really familiar, I feel like theirs a one shot I'm forgetting <_<

He did "Over Time" in 06 and had an OS called "Season Call" in spring Akamaru in 07.

[[Cross]]

Hoop Man is definitely out the door with 2 new series starting up though. I wonder if Suikoden will be based off the video game... that'd be weird. He's the same guy who wrote Over Time though, right? I loved that manga.

Not really, with Neuro and Bokke out the two spots are filled and thus Hoop Men remains safe. Unless of course there is a third new series, the week after. And Suikoden...yeah I feel a little weird about having a manga adaptation of that series.


Hey but, when the hell is HxH supposed to come back?

Whenever Togashi feels like it.

[Kaiten]

Over Time! That's where I knew Yoichi's name from. Now I'm really excited about the new series! I dropped Bokke a long time ago, can't cry over that one. Medaka Box looks like something meant to appeal to readers over 14, always a treat in Jump. I'm surprised such a well known novelist is writing a serialized manga, but Ishin is really good. If nothing else Medaka box will be very well written!

[KuwabaraTheMan]

And there goes Bokke-san. It looks like Hoop Men is safe for another 3 months, then. It will need some sort of incredible rebound to make it any further, though. (P2 kind of managed to do that after bombing right at the start and got up to the 1 year mark, but it's still pretty rare)

More color pages for Kuroko is cool, too. I'm glad that it is doing so well.


He did "Over Time" in 06 and had an OS called "Season Call" in spring Akamaru in 07.

Whoa, awesome! I loved Over Time, and was upset when it got canceled so quickly. I might have to check the new series out.

[Rejuvenation]

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (Couv & Pc)
Gintama, Belzee (Pc)
Yûsuke Murata/Blust! - OneShot (Pc - 51p )
Es21 (absent)


Bottom :
Nurari
Gray
ToLove
Hoop
Jaguar
Bokke (End)

#24 (11/05) :
New series Nishio Ishin & Akira Akatsuki/ Medaka
Bleach, Kuroko (Pc)

#25 (18/05) :
New series Amano Yoichi/Suikoden

Another week and no Psyren or Sket in the bottom. :D

Get out of the danger zone Mago. x[

I guess that is how the cookie crumbles for Bokke. I wonder if Nishi knew ahead of time about the cancellation? He should have made the previous arc wrap up a bit better. Well Bokke's beginning bored the hell out of me but the middle was a bit better. The final few chapters were underwhelming. It seemed to have a flicker of potential but then never truly delivered. Oh well.

Hmm looks like Hoop Men is the next to die off. I'm fine with that but the fans must really hate it if its ranking even lower than To Love Ru. If HunterXHunter does come back that will be the nail in Hoop's coffin.

More new series. I wonder if they will interest me or just be used to protect series I actually care about.

Color for Kuroko and Bleach continues to be the color whore it is. -__-

[[Cross]]

Seems Hoop Men is the designated cushion for the next round of cuts, and assuming ES21 will die off by then as well, is seems as if everything else looks safe this round, so maybe the authors will realize this and hopefully they won't be under so much pressure this time around.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I did not like that Medaka Box one-shot. After looking at it I practically remember begging that it did not become a series. I'm not sure what that other one is about. You guys seem to know, so would someone mind explaining?

Oh, yeah I am shocked and appaled that Bokke dies while Hoop Men lives...oh, well...it's days are numbered...

[Rejuvenation]

How long ago was the Medaka Box one-shot? Also a Suikoden adaption makes me think of when Houshin Engi mentioned it in its early chapters. XD

I'll hope it grabs me at least.

[Mr. Prince]

How long ago was the Medaka Box one-shot?

Only a few months. It was in #10/09.

[Maxy Barnard]

*mutters something about deidaragrimmjow and garusashi having no taste*

all in all not a bad week, hoop men lives on, bokke-san dies it's well deserved death, and sket and psyren are out of the bottom..... 4

[Koen]

Yes Over Time's mangaka has come back. Show those so-called-we-have-taste-but-only-care-about-major-series-fan what great skills you have. Over time was so great but too smart for most people. It could have been an epic sports manga.

I am quite surprised medaka is going to be serialised so fast. Is jump lacking talent? Obata and ohba, Toshiaki, Nishi, uchimizu,... All mangaka that had another chance, some failed and others didn't at this moment. When I read latest chapter of bokke-san, I knew it would happen. Sadly another underestimated manga with potential has to go (*cough* double arts *cough*)

Well psyren not in the danger zone. That's what I didn't expect. Hurray for psyren, hurray for the new manga ^^ (and hurray for hoop men being the cushion)

[GARusashi]

*mutters something about deidaragrimmjow and garusashi having no taste*



we both still like beelzebub don't we :amuse

[StrangerAtaru]

I guess it wasn't meant to be for Bokke...sad, considering Muhyo's success but...that's Jump for you.

Interesting names coming in from how it sounds. I guess the fans of Isshins novels (and Corrector M&Y) will like "Medaka Box"...but who knew that the author of "Over Time" would return with Suikoden...heck, how the heck could a tale like that go considering that there's a massive cast both connecting to a video game and the original book? (though Hoshin Engi did it...) We'll see how it turns out.

[Koen]

I am totally not into games. But are manga of games succesful? and what is suikoden about?

[Kaiten]

Some video game adaptions are very successful. Dragonquest comes to mind. Others are atrocities, Ral Grad being the most obvious. Jump doesn't do video game adaptions that often, that's usually left to less mainstream magazines.

I've never played Suikoden, I'm not a gamer either, so I'll leave the description to wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikoden)

[fxu]

Medaka Box... another ecchi series?

Sigh.... -_-'

[StrangerAtaru]

Never played the games but basically here's the score (based on Wiki):

Suikoden is actually based on a Chinese novel called "Water Margin" (Shuǐhǔ Zhuàn in Chinese); Suikoden is actually a Japanese reading for this. The tale, written in the 13th-14th century, involved 108 "evil spirits" who have repented (based on Taoist lore) and are reborn as outlaws, who eventually all band together to defeat a great evil. Similarly, the video game series involves 108 particular characters who usually band together in time of a certian war or crisis to save a kingdom from an evil. There have been 5 Suikoden video games, all connected to Konami. I can't tell, though, if this manga will be more an interpretation of the games (akin to Dai no Daibouken) or the novel (akin to Hoshin Engi)...but we'll leave it to the author.

[[Cross]]

Medaka Box... another ecchi series?

Sigh.... -_-'

If that's the case, maybe they want to establish another ecchi series to succeed TLR in the same manner they've been prepping up Kuroko for ES21's end.

[Kaiten]

Neuro and ToRa were the only series really geared to readers in high school or older. With Neuro out it makes the most sense to add something with the potential to attract an older audience. And fanservice does not equal ecchi. But since I can't read Japanese I don't know what Medaka is about so I can't really say if it's ecchi or not. Thank god it won't be another generic Jump action comic. At least to the eye it's a lot less lame then ever series, other then Beelzebub, that has come along this year.

[GARusashi]

the style of Medaka Box alone turns me off. Looks like a gayer version of Code Geass, and I hate CLAMP's art. And if I don't like the art, it's really, really hard for me to enjoy a manga.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Is the manga for Suikoden going to follow the game exactly or is it going to just follow the general plot of the story? In terms of Medaka Box I hate ecchi but I'm hoping it's just on the side and the martial arts stuff is the main focus. The main character looks like a beast. I really like his design.

[[Cross]]

Yeah, to me it didn't look like it was an ecchi series, I'm gonna see if I can get the oneshot out as soon as possible because I'm starting to wonder what it's about myself.

[Koen]

Well it will be the question: what has the storyteller done before

I believe it's about him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisio_Isin)

Some things ring me a bell like bakemonogatari (which will be an anime btw), Death note another note,...

[Kaiten]

He did a one shot with Obata last year as well. The one with the really long name ^^ One of his novel series, Zaregoto, is available in the states. Some of his short stories (prose, not manga) is in the English language Faust anthology. Both are worth checking out. He's a good writer, I'm excited he's doing a weekly manga. NisiOisiN is quite famous in Japan. I doubt his first attempt at serialized manga will be generic ecchi. But to me a little fanservice is a selling point ;)

Nice to see Neuro leave on such a high note. Hopefully Matsui does the right thing and never returns to Weekly Jump. As nice as it was to see something as subversive and trippy as Neuro in WSJ, Matsui's style is better suited for Young Jump.

[Maxy Barnard]

we both still like beelzebub don't we :amuse

yeah but i much prefer hoop men and the medaka box oneshot XD


at present i could care less about suikoden, simply because i'm perhaps the only person on this planet who's been eagerly awaiting Akatsuki's return to WSJ serialisation since M&Y flopped.

still.... woulda liked little brave more

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

yeah but i much prefer hoop men and the medaka box oneshot XD


Not trying to start anything, but what do you find so special about Hoop Men?
I'm hoping this Medaka Box is not just ecchi. Man that would be awful... otherwise, I can be optimistic...


And I think we can agree on Psyren.

[GARusashi]

yeah I can't find anything appealing about Hoop Men. Kuroko is starting to dwindle for me, but it's still better then Hoop Men.

My guess is HxH will be ready to come back by the time Hoop Men is ready to go out.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Sucks about Bokke-san, kinda saw this coming with the last raw chapter but I was still hoping it'd get through.

Medaka Box doesn't particularly interest me, but Suikoden could depending on what it is. If it's based on any of the games I imagine that it'll be the new one for the DS, Suikoden Tierkreis.

[Maxy Barnard]

Not trying to start anything, but what do you find so special about Hoop Men?
I'm hoping this Medaka Box is not just ecchi. Man that would be awful... otherwise, I can be optimistic...


And I think we can agree on Psyren.

it's true that i haven't established my whys very well, so i'll clarify.

Hoop men has done everything just how i want it: sports without the sport. it's not about the sport, it's about the individuals effort and learning, and his interaction with other characters.

not only that but the art is stylistic and outside of some bum colour pages has been more up my alley than most series in recent times.

more than anything though it's the characters. they're all brilliantly balanced, full of potential and feel like real people.


also on the tiny scale of bonus points it uses english well and has solid humour. double barrelled bonus points


and i don't think there's anyone out there with a bad opinion of psyren anymore, it's finally hit the right stride

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Even though I would've preferred it go this round Hoop Men is still a pretty cool series.

Not perfect, but I think it would've had a lot of potential if it hadn't been doomed from the start.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Very interesting. Anyone know what Medaka Box was about? I always liked Hoshin Engi a lot, so maybe Suikoden will be good as well.

[xi0]

Great to see Amano returning to WSJ, though I hope it's not a video game adaptation...
Medaka Box looked interesting too. So the new series is just Medaka then? No box?

[Mr. Prince]

Anyone know what Medaka Box was about?

I just skipped over the one shot and in general it's a bit like Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu. (I hope I won't be raped by Haruhi fans for that comparison)

The story - as far as I understood - is the following:
We have a tough girl, Kurokami Medaka, as main character who's voted to be the new president of the student council (guess that's what it's called in English) and she installs a Meyasu Bako - a box where you throw in requests if you got problems and such things.
That thing's working really well and Medaka receives loads of requests. In the OS she accepts a request from the Judo club...

During her mission Medaka's - "voluntarily" - given aid by Hitoyoshi Zenkichi who she'd been friends with in middle school.

In the end that Meyasu Bako was renamed to "Medaka Box" and Hitoyoshi's given the job of vice president.

[Maxy Barnard]

sounds pretty much like how i read it, so it's nice to know i can guess things well enough.

and in concept it's kinda like sket dance eh

[Lingwe]

I got a request to do Medaka Box about a couple of weeks ago but have been putting it off...I'd better get it done in preparation for the serialisation. Probably won't do any more than that though, it just doesn't look that interesting to me.

[Rejuvenation]

I see I wasn't the only one that thought Medaka Box sounds a bit like Sket Dance. XD

Hmm if that is how things are the story sounds really interesting to me. If it ends up being great I hope it can live for a while. I want to take a look at that one-shot now.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Wow, people have already started to rip off Sket Dance. I have fanservice series. It makes us anime fans who like real girls look weird. o____o

[Dofla]

Addition:
D.Gray-man Will go on hiatus from issue #24 (11/05).
Reserialization undetermined.

[Koen]

Again? Ah come on, another HxH. Blah, it's these kind of things that make me drop a manga. Sadly but can't someone take over her drawing, let her do the storytelling

[Maxy Barnard]

i think it's fine we have something like sket dance coming in. slice of life is my bag, and it's easy to have powerful core values in that sort of plot.

also d gray on hiatus.... well hoshino came back too soon, the new far more sub-par art has proven this

[Kaiten]

Sad to see DGM out again so soon, just as she's moving to more plot intensive chapters. Small a consolation as it may be, it'll hopefully pave the way for a third new series, much the way Hunter x Hunter's hiatus did. Funny that it returned for exactly a volumes worth of new material =_=

I'm with Noodles; another school life series is just what Jump needs. There's been so little variety with the new series over the last two years, Medaka could be a breath of fresh air. So what if it's a second school life, Suikoden will bring the count of action titles to eight. And that's not counting H x H and DGM.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I'm starting to think hoshino is friends with togashi.

[SSJWill4]

Sounds like someone has a case of Togashism. The disease is spreading...

[[Cross]]

How drab, I believe Hoshino is still suffering from her wrist injury, doesn't she know that drawing only aggravates her condition.

[Digital_Eon]

It's a joke. It's a joke, right? It has to be. She just came back... there were nineteen pages for one chapter... the art hasn't sucked... there's plot again...

WHY.

I'm going to hate on all new series until DGM returns again out of immature spite and disgruntlement.

[bellcrossage]

Again? Ah come on, another HxH. Blah, it's these kind of things that make me drop a manga. Sadly but can't someone take over her drawing, let her do the storytelling

I would think it may be because she's wanting to have surgery on her hands to clear up any carpal tunnel ailments that have been building since she returned a couple months ago. I don't know, but hopefully she comes back better than ever.

[[Cross]]

Well, actually now to get past the grief, Since she is on hiatus, this'll probably last a couple of weeks if not 1 or 2 months, so I doubt they'll keep that spot open for all that time. This frees up another spot, which means there will either be a third new series or HXH will return (either way, Hoop Men is now safetly locked in this round).

[Rejuvenation]

DGM the new HxH. :lmao

It is a shame that this couldn't have been announced before Bokke was killed. It probably could have lived a bit longer since that is another free spot.

Anyway, here is hoping Hoshino gets better soon.

[Kaiten]

Bokke probably would have been killed anyway. It's been a bottom feeder for a while. There's no guarantee DGM's spot will be filled, it wasn't over the winter. It seems more likely; if the editors know it will be another three months they'll bring something else in. A lot also depends on if anything else is ready to go (consult the Golden Future Cup arc of Bakuman for details). But remember: if DGM is replaced something else will be canceled when Hoshino comes back.

[Digital_Eon]

Maybe that's why Hoop Men is being kept - to avoid any need for a sudden cancellation when Hoshino returns?

[Kaiten]

Possibly. It's also newer then Bokke and would have to much material for one volume, but not enough for two, if it were canceled now. Hoop Men is gone in July no matter what.

[Rejuvenation]

Bokke probably would have been killed anyway. It's been a bottom feeder for a while. There's no guarantee DGM's spot will be filled, it wasn't over the winter. It seems more likely; if the editors know it will be another three months they'll bring something else in. A lot also depends on if anything else is ready to go (consult the Golden Future Cup arc of Bakuman for details). But remember: if DGM is replaced something else will be canceled when Hoshino comes back.

You are most likely right. If it survived this round the only thing that probably would have changed is Hoop Men being canceled before it gets canceled.

Since it is another indefinite hiatus I think it will be replaced. If it was coming back in X number of days/weeks Jump would probably just fill the space with one-shots or something.

Ha, I enjoy consulting the wisdom of Bakuman. :tem

[Kaiten]

Bakuman makes this thread so much more enjoyable :D

Had D. Gray Man remained I doubt anything else would have been canceled. Hoop Men was most likely safe until the next cut. Jump seems to be introducing fewer series at a time this year. With Sket Dance, Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, and Kuroko achieving some level of success it makes sense. By next cut I bet Eyeshield will end, leaving Hoop Men as the only cancellation. Unless, of course, one of the new series pushes Hoop out of the bottom spot.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I think anyone who thinks Hoopmen has a chance is delirious.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I'm pretty sure we all know it is getting cancelled at some point. It's just a question of when. Some are just happy for it to last as long as it can. I for one wish it would end in the next few weeks so we can get a third new series but that won't happen... :(

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think anyone who thinks Hoopmen has a chance is delirious.

I doubt it really has a chance, but it could survive for a little while depending on how things go. IIRC, P2 was in a similar situation at this point in its run, but managed to battle and stay alive for 1 year.

[Koen]

I doubt it really has a chance, but it could survive for a little while depending on how things go. IIRC, P2 was in a similar situation at this point in its run, but managed to battle and stay alive for 1 year.

I agree and randal should know better: not only P2 but his beloved samurai usagi was a similar case. Then again, there's also a lot of counterarguments: zan, over time, ko sen, asklepios, etc... I think being at the bottom gives you more chances to die ;)

[Kaiten]

Hoop Men continues for only one reason: Neuro. If Neuro hadn't ended it would have shared the same fate as Muddy, K.O. Sen and every other series that lasts 15 chapters or less. Instead, Hoop will most likely be like Asklepios, permanently affixed to the bottom until it is mercifully killed off with the next cuts. The only thing that can save it, setting up a P2 situation, is if Medaka, Suikoden or both are even less popular and Eyeshield ends at the next cut.

[xi0]

Meh, I go through the trouble of catching up on DGM when it went on hiatus and now another hiatus?....lol

And if Hoshino really has Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, the surgery to correct it is usually hit-and-miss, so if she ever decides to have it corrected, you might be looking at a really long hiatus...

[andrewsungchehau]

Addition:
D.Gray-man Will go on hiatus from issue #24 (11/05).
Reserialization undetermined.

NOOOOOOO........
How can it be....:( *crying*
I hope it's only 1 or 2 weeks.
Also, I hope Hoshino-sensei is fine.
I wait till it comes back again. Only hope it's not a serious matter. I don't want to wait so long again after that 4-5months hiatus(even though it's unavoidable),it's really sad to see I of my most favourite and anticipated series got hiatus,even for a week.:(
Anyway, as mention, hope she's fine and come back earlier.:) Gonna think positively in this situation.

[Akainu]

So apart from the bad news for all DGM fans... how was the one shot ths week?

[Maxy Barnard]

P2 turned into a mini success despite a horrible beginning, so i think hoop men has the same chance.... well not as much of one, it's not quite as brilliant as p2, but it's still awesome and needs the chance

[Kaiten]

P2 turned into a mini success despite a horrible beginning, so i think hoop men has the same chance.... well not as much of one, it's not quite as brilliant as p2, but it's still awesome and needs the chance

That's more a matter of luck then quality, at this point. And p2 was brilliant.

[Crude]

Where can I have a look at Medaka Box?

[Josl]

Where can I have a look at Medaka Box?

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/10899

[Digital_Eon]

I thought Hoshino's last hiatus involved surgery. Maybe she just hadn't fully recovered yet? Though we even got MORE pages than normal in one chapter...

Medaka Box and Suikoden would have to be the worst of the worst to get cancelled by the next round of cuts. How many series have been cut in the round after they began? That'd be just barely making it out of the eight-chapter lack of ranking, right?

[StrangerAtaru]

I thought Hoshino's last hiatus involved surgery. Maybe she just hadn't fully recovered yet? Though we even got MORE pages than normal in one chapter...

Medaka Box and Suikoden would have to be the worst of the worst to get cancelled by the next round of cuts. How many series have been cut in the round after they began? That'd be just barely making it out of the eight-chapter lack of ranking, right?

Chagecha immediately comes to mind. Junbor I think was the same.

[[Cross]]

Meister was killed off in about 10 chapters, not that long after being ranked.

[ruggia]

sooner or later, either Hoopmen or Kuroko no Basket will get cancelled out.....
its highly unlikely that WSJ is going to be keeping two basketball mangas....one of them has to drop, and its not like Kuroko is that good.... its okay, but not really worth keeping..... Dogashi Kaden was much better(thats my personal opinion)
don't know about Hoopmen...

[Kaiten]

Hoopmen is just waiting for the next cuts. That's it. There isn't even anything to speculate about. Kuroko is popular, Hoop Men is not. Two basketball series could co exist in one magazine; Shonen Magazine has two soccer series, both of which do fine. But Jump fans want their sports series to follow the Slam Dunk blue print, Hoop Men does not. So it was rejected. Having two series of the same genre/subject in one magazine has never been a problem, especially one as generic as Jump. Look at the action series: One Piece and Toriko are the only wholly original ones, Psyren is the only other moving away from shonen cliche. Everything else is a variation of the same thing.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I can see your point with D.Gray, Bleach and Mago (kind of) if only because they all have monsters of some sort that must be slayed. But I don't recall there being too many manga about the mafia. And I'm not too sure how to defend Naruto but I know there is a way...it does not have any demons anyway...and I don't think that Gintama is all that "cliche" either. And Hunter X Hunter is kind of original too I think...

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Hunter x Hunter and Reborn are very original. I don't see how anyone could claim that they follow just the normal stereotypes.

As far as Jump wanting their sports series to be like Slam Dunk, that's absolutely preposterous. Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield 21 (both huge successes) were about as far away from Slam Dunk as you could get, and Kuroko is pretty different from it, too. In fact, has there ever been a sports series in Jump that was anything like Slam Dunk?


Chagecha immediately comes to mind. Junbor I think was the same.

I believe M & Y and Hands also suffered the same fate.

[Kaiten]

Reborn (starting with volume 8) and Hunter x Hunter are still variations of the same thing: teens with super powers, fight bad guys, win, train, get stronger, fight more bad guys, win, train, get stronger, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Weather shinigami, mafioso, hunter, ninja, youkai it's basically the same template. One Piece and Toriko have bits of that but make it easier to forget. Naruto follows the same template but does it better. Psyren has moved into more plot oriented terrain. Even at their most generic those four can make you forget your reading the same old story.

What I meant by comparing Jump sports manga to Slam Dunk isn't that Jump sports is an exact copy, plenty have been very original, but that more often then not they are heavily influenced by Inoue's style and story structure. The influence is hard to shake, even for Eyeshield.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Reborn (starting with volume 8) and Hunter x Hunter are still variations of the same thing: teens with super powers, fight bad guys, win, train, get stronger, fight more bad guys, win, train, get stronger, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Weather shinigami, mafioso, hunter, ninja, youkai it's basically the same template. One Piece and Toriko have bits of that but make it easier to forget. Naruto follows the same template but does it better. Psyren has moved into more plot oriented terrain. Even at their most generic those four can make you forget your reading the same old story.

Hunter x Hunter is as atypical as shounen fighting series get. Togashi basically rejects every staple of the genre and constantly turns things on their head. The series is all about writing a shounen series in a way its never been done before. I mean, where else are you going to see a fighting tournament where only the losers advance, or a villain getting major character development by having someone they care for severely injured by a hero?

As far as Reborn, it has a pretty unique mix of comedy and action, and I think it's managed to avoid the typical stuff. Not saying it doesn't have some of those common elements, but I think Amano has done a lot of unique things.


What I meant by comparing Jump sports manga to Slam Dunk isn't that Jump sports is an exact copy, plenty have been very original, but that more often then not they are heavily influenced by Inoue's style and story structure. The influence is hard to shake, even for Eyeshield.

I disagree completely. Prince of Tennis, Eyeshield 21 and Kuroko are about as far from Ineou's style in Slam Dunk as you can get. If you look at the general story structure they have, it's completely different. Slam Dunk was much less focused on basketball, compared to some of these other series that put the focus firmly on the game.

Eyeshield 21's only real similarity with Slam Dunk's general story structure is the whole 'weak team getting built up and becoming strong', but that goes back even further than Slam Dunk. Prince of Tennis was just about as far from Slam Dunk as you can get. Level-headed protagonist who has been playing the sport his whole life, team that was already considered a strong team from the start, heavy focus on the actual sport, etc.

Honestly, Hoop Men feels far more like a Slam Dunk knock off to me, right down to the character only joining the team to get with the hot chick.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Shounen will always have a similar formula. It's all about how you make it interesting. It's the same with most genres. If you even look at stuff like Shakespeare, most of his tragedies follow a similar formula. It doesn't mean they are generic. The whole point of a genre is lay a format for other things to follow. Well, and to classify things...

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Shounen will always have a similar formula. It's all about how you make it interesting. It's the same with most genres. If you even look at stuff like Shakespeare, most of his tragedies follow a similar formula. It doesn't mean they are generic. The whole point of a genre is lay a format for other things to follow. Well, and to classify things...


I agree. Shonen will be shonen. Love it or hate it. Not every series can be some original masterpiece. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The "generic" formula sells, and people love it. So I say, if you can't make something fresh, take what's already there and make it good...

[Kaiten]

There's a difference, in my mind, between genre and generic. Action is a genre. Certain conventions come with action, other wise it would be a different genre. Shonen action to often seems industrialized, more the same car with different paint jobs then unique make and models. Certainly some are painted nicer colors; but when compared to something truly worthy of the term unique they seem a little more dull. Most of the action series in Jump wouldn't change if you switched things around. Would Varia arc be different if they were rival shinigami fighting? Would the Soul Society arc be that different if they were mafioso fighting to rescue Rukia from her mob bosses? The subtext would be the same, the story would only need cosmetic changes but progress identically to the original. If Bleach were about pirates it still wouldn't be One Piece. Where One Piece is about being true to your self, individuality, and has an anti - authoritarian streak; Bleach is just about the typical Jump themes of friendship, ambition, and achievement. All are present in One Piece as well, but there's more to the story for Luffy, but it ends there for Bleach.

Like One Piece, not all shonen action has to be generic. Full Metal Alchemist, Kekkaishi, Soul Eater, Tagami Bachi, and Toriko are all unique works. Naruto, D. Gray Man, and Hunter x Hunter aren't the most original things out there but usually manage to do more with cliches then most.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

But if it comes down to that, it's merely a difference in taste. Some people argue that Bleach is a better series BECAUSE of the differences you made between it and One Piece. Ichigo's "goal" if you will is to merely protect his friends. Luffy wants to become King of the Pirates. That alone directs the seperate ways that the stories are going to go. I like both series evenly so I look at them as doing different things but doing them well. Just because one attacks the action genre one way does not mean it's inferior to a series doing it another way. Besides, One Piece, unlike Bleach, is fueled by adventure more than action, so that may account for the "story" that you claim Bleach lacks.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

There's a difference, in my mind, between genre and generic. Action is a genre. Certain conventions come with action, other wise it would be a different genre. Shonen action to often seems industrialized, more the same car with different paint jobs then unique make and models. Certainly some are painted nicer colors; but when compared to something truly worthy of the term unique they seem a little more dull. Most of the action series in Jump wouldn't change if you switched things around. Would Varia arc be different if they were rival shinigami fighting? Would the Soul Society arc be that different if they were mafioso fighting to rescue Rukia from her mob bosses? The subtext would be the same, the story would only need cosmetic changes but progress identically to the original. If Bleach were about pirates it still wouldn't be One Piece. Where One Piece is about being true to your self, individuality, and has an anti - authoritarian streak; Bleach is just about the typical Jump themes of friendship, ambition, and achievement. All are present in One Piece as well, but there's more to the story for Luffy, but it ends there for Bleach.

Like One Piece, not all shonen action has to be generic. Full Metal Alchemist, Kekkaishi, Soul Eater, Tagami Bachi, and Toriko are all unique works. Naruto, D. Gray Man, and Hunter x Hunter aren't the most original things out there but usually manage to do more with cliches then most.

I agree with what you're saying, but I'd put Hunter x Hunter in the same category as One Piece. Yes, it has some of the typical trappings of a shounen action series, but so do most of those other series. It's about you do with it that matters.

Hunter x Hunter is in many ways a story about growing up. It also has the conventions of friendship, but it turns them on their head completely. The so-called villains actually seem to place as much, if not more, emphasis on friendship and comraderie as the heroes do. I see it as being cut out from a very unique cloth.

Bleach, certainly, is pretty generic. (Not MAR-levels of generic, but it's certainly not that unique) I don't think that many people who are truly well-versed in shounen action would dispute that claim. Reborn, on the other hand, I give a lot of credit to. There aren't many series out there that can be both deadly serious, yet pretty much openly mock the ridiculousness of the series at the same time. I think Amano has done an effective job of playing around with the conventions of the genre and crafting a series that does some new things, even if it isn't the most unique series out there.

Similar to what you were saying, if Bleach was about the mafia, it still wouldn't be Reborn. It would still have a paper thin plot, and a decisive lack of originality; at times, well masked by the lovable characters and awesome fights. And if Reborn was about Shinigami, well, I think it would be a completely different series. Reborn works well enough because it is able to ever so slightly trend on that line of reality. Yeah, there are completely ridiculous and inane things happening, but it's all in our own world, and they're all being done by humans. But, just humoring the thought, it still wouldn't be Bleach. There would still be off-beat comedy, and a very unique cast of characters that all play off each other in ways you don't see often.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

[QUOTE=Hinata Fan;1323144] Bleach, certainly, is pretty generic. (Not MAR-levels of generic, but it's certainly not that unique) I don't think that many people who are truly well-versed in shounen action would dispute that claim. [QUOTE]


But that again comes to my point, Is that really such a bad thing? Many "generic" series have died before ever getting off the ground. Bleach is one of the most popular series around, and it does not make any excuses. It's a hardcore fight shonen and it does not want to be anything else. If that's the case, can't it be judged on that merit? Bleach does what it does brilliantly and can you really ask for more than that? Every series should be judged in its own right. Bleach is not One Piece, Naruto is not Reborn and so on.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

But that again comes to my point, Is that really such a bad thing? Many "generic" series have died before ever getting off the ground. Bleach is one of the most popular series around, and it does not make any excuses. It's a hardcore fight shonen and it does not want to be anything else. If that's the case, can't it be judged on that merit? Bleach does what it does brilliantly and can you really ask for more than that? Every series should be judged in its own right. Bleach is not One Piece, Naruto is not Reborn and so on.

Oh, I'm not saying "Bleach is crap."

For what it's worth, I think Bleach has the potential to be great fun. Through the Soul Society and Arrancar arcs, Bleach might have been generic and lacking in plot, but it made up for it with a colorful cast of characters and kickass fights.

For the past couple of years, however, the series has not been quite as fun as it once was. And when Bleach lost that spark of fun, it came tumbling apart.

On the flipside, when a series like Naruto goes through a down period, it might suffer somewhat, but there's still plot and character development holding it together.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I think what makes or breaks a Shounen series is how fleshed out the characters are. Plot is really very important as well. These two factors can really make a great shounen or a really bad one. This is partly why Rurouni Kenshin will always be one of the best shounen series around. Kenshin offers a likable cast of characters who all have elaborate back stories and also develop over time. This is also something Naruto does very well. What sets these two series apart though is the fact that Kenshin has a very compelling plot when Naruto's plot is far more weak. This is why people are drawn to Naruto. Kishimoto, while he is very skilled at creating likable characters, he really needs someone to be writing for him, because the series plot is a cluttered mess. It really doesn't get a set goal until 40 volumes in and it still isn't all that clear. Just rescue Sasuke. On the flip side, Psyren is an example of a series with a completely excellent plot but the characters are all very cookie cutter and have not really been given much backstory, beyond a little for Kabuto. Psyren's characters are really just devices in which the story can develop through. Well, that's my take on it anyway. Then there are just crap series like the ones that get canceled and fail to do both. Kinda like Kosen!

[Hayashida]

omg onehundredeight stars suikoden in manga format-and in JUMP?!-i must be dreaming
viktor better be in it....unless it continues from the demon century anime, that'd be cool

anyone know of other works that mangaka has done?

[Maxy Barnard]

over time, a quaint little baseball series about 'angels in the outfield'

also this whole page is tl;dr

[fxu]

also this whole page is tl;dr

Indeed. I prefer [snappy] one-liners.

Like so ^

[Mr. Prince]

Full ToC was posted by Himajin in the ToLove thread at 2ch (link (http://changi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wcomic/1239754366/799)) but somehow...it features ES21 for this week. :confused
Nevertheless, it's definitely by Himajin and therefore the real deal. Maybe he made a mistake since he also spelled Akira Akatsuki's name wrong...well, we'll see.

#22/23 - Cover is a gathering of all Jump titles' main characters
One Piece (CP)
Bleach
Naruto
Kuroko no Basuke
Toriko
Inumaru dashi
Bakuman
BLUST! （OS by Murata-sensei - CP)
Reborn!
Beelzebub (CP)
Sket Dance
Kochikame
Eyeshield 21
Gintama (CP)
Psyren
Mago
D.Gray-man
ToLove-ru
Hoopmen
Bokke-san (End)
PTF! Jaguar

Preview for #24:
Medaka Box (Akatsuki and Ishin), CP for Bleach and Kuroko

[Sexy Randal 105]

Well, I guess either Kuroko is a hit or Jump is pimping it to take Eyeshield's place.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

How come Bleach suddenly got so high @ 2nd place, after recent weeks? It is probably editors' doing this one,

[The Adamant Dragon]

No chance bleach will ever come to surpass OP or Naruto with its current story-telling/line, that said, I don't think its a ranking list, just showing who are featured in the cover and gets color pages. At least I hope so...

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hmm it might be a fake Himajin or the real Himajin made some big mistakes.

[StrangerAtaru]

Considering a lot of the insanity that had happened in Bleach around then, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the correct TOC. Maybe we should be wary but it does have a right to be there. Personally, the "Kuroko is higher than Toriko" and "ES21 is in it after all" parts are more suspicious than that.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Come on Psyren...I thought we were past this... :(

[Maxy Barnard]

eyeshield being there and kuroko beating toriko......... i'm usually wrong but i'm calling fake

[Finestela]

Just look back 8 weeks and see what Bleach had at that time... (the start of "The Lust" chapters?)

I hate to admit it, but having Ichigo and Ulq stripping it out = popularity boost (rofl)

And w00t for ToLoveRu for getting out of the bottom :p

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Eyeshield is suspicious...but I hope the Kuroko beating Toriko is true.

[andrewsungchehau]

I think for Bleach to be at 2nd place is due to the 3rd espada release+vs hitsugaya. Hitman Reborn suddenly dropped down at 9,kind of strange, probably because I'm new to this thing. D Gray Man at bottom 5,makes me sad.:(

[Mr. Prince]

Suikoden's full titel is "AKABOSHI - Ibun Suikoden" (AKABOSHI -異聞水滸伝-). Here's the preview from JUMP that announces Medaka Box and AKABOSHI's start.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7567/medakasuikoden.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=medakasuikoden.jpg)

[Maxy Barnard]

is it me or have medaka's already barely feasible breasts grown further?

[[Cross]]

hm...no, they seem the right size.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hey who's complaining? :notrust

[Rejuvenation]

Oh geez, Inumaru and Bleach being that high? Dear God I hope that is a fake. D:

Also I like what I see so far from that page.

[Maxy Barnard]

*feels the need to point out you can't really have a problem with inumaru dashi when raws aren't around for it and only one chapter is scanlated*

[Finestela]

I think for Bleach to be at 2nd place is due to the 3rd espada release+vs hitsugaya. Hitman Reborn suddenly dropped down at 9,kind of strange, probably because I'm new to this thing. D Gray Man at bottom 5,makes me sad.:(

Nope, the rankings always reflects that of 8 weeks ago (the only exception being new series and/or series coming back from hiatus)... not the previous issue.

[Sexy Randal 105]

*ugh* Fanservice is so stupid. If you want boobs, go look at some damn porn.

Suikoden looks interesting though. I can already tell Medaka box is going to be a crapfest though. It's just going to be a less classy version of Sket Dance.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

*feels the need to point out you can't really have a problem with inumaru dashi when raws aren't around for it and only one chapter is scanlated*


I know you weren't talking to me, but I know for a fact that a gag manga about a weird looking baby running around without any pants would not appeal to me no matter what else I might find. Maybe Boss feels the same?

[StrangerAtaru]

*ugh* Fanservice is so stupid. If you want boobs, go look at some damn porn.



What about plot, captivating story and incredible characters...with boobs?

[Maxy Barnard]

*ugh* Fanservice is so stupid. If you want boobs, go look at some damn porn.


or.... have a girlfriend? (transvestites/sexuals are fine too in this example)

anyway, i don't think people can purely talk down on a series because they have an issue with the concept. inumaru dashi has some unique and brilliant gags in the first 18 chapters (i need more), and i was probably amongst the first bashing it, especially as the author had previous notoriety against him.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Well in all honesty, it's not really the concept so much as it is my bias against gag (unless it's Bobobo). Maybe I'll get over it someday...

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

It's not about fangirling over boobs, but it is there, I don't see a reason to complain, it is a bonus, if I really liked boobs so much I would watch/read hentai stuff.

[fxu]

If I really like boobs I would be watching REAL porn, not hentai.

'the hell is wrong with you?

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

LOL I was talking about liking manga/anime boobs.

[Crude]

Why must the boobs be huge!? Average or a little above average sized boobs are the best!

Otaku are weird. It's either huge boobs or lolis...

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Obviously the bigger boobs act as a fanservice to initially attract a larger audience, which is important for new series. :o

[[Cross]]

Which I find odd, since the author is going to supposedly dish out great writing. I mean, more times than usual, an abundance of fanservice might be used to compensate for a missing factor in a series, can it be possible that we get both? Nvm, I just remembered a couple of series. I can't wait for Medeka Box.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Would it be possible to get the full page of announcements?

[Rejuvenation]

I don't mind the boobage. If that is all the series has going for it THEN it is a problem. But if it manages to have great characters along with great plot alongside the boobs that is great.


*feels the need to point out you can't really have a problem with inumaru dashi when raws aren't around for it and only one chapter is scanlated*

I'm just horribly biased against children without pants. Gash Bell being the exception. :P


I know you weren't talking to me, but I know for a fact that a gag manga about a weird looking baby running around without any pants would not appeal to me no matter what else I might find. Maybe Boss feels the same?

*Feels the same*




anyway, i don't think people can purely talk down on a series because they have an issue with the concept. inumaru dashi has some unique and brilliant gags in the first 18 chapters (i need more), and i was probably amongst the first bashing it, especially as the author had previous notoriety against him.

*Once again notes I'm horribly biased*

Then again, Bobobo and Sket managed to keep me interested despite being gag heavy so who knows. *shrugs*

[xi0]

How can people complain so fervently about big boobs when the series isn't even out and we only have a raw of the oneshot to go by? :rofl

Naruto/Bleach/OP all have it's fair share of huge ridiculous breasts but I don't hear that as being the main complaint when people criticize them... :eyeroll

I try to reserve judgment on new series unless I give it a shot.

[Maxy Barnard]

we're all fanboys and girls here, not to mention wonderful elitists (in our own individual ways). we NEED to find something to debate or moan about

[Finestela]

Could it be that it's not the author wanting to do fanservice... but rather the author likes big boobs? :p

I mean you have to enjoy your own work by drawing something you like... ;)

[StrangerAtaru]

Could it be that it's not the author wanting to do fanservice... but rather the author likes big boobs? :p

I mean you have to enjoy your own work by drawing something you like... ;)

Well Kubo loves boobs...but he didn't even introduce Orihime until chp. 2, so it's not like you can't introduce them a bit later than in chapter 1.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Last week's volume sales (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-22/japanese-comic-ranking-april-14-20)

Recent Jump Volumes LTD sales:
Bleach 38: 743,979
Katekyo Hitman REBORN! 24: 484,705
Gintama 28: 429,753

All three have already surpassed their known sales for the preceding volumes. Looks like most Jump series are continuing to stay healthy in their sales.


Well Kubo loves boobs...but he didn't even introduce Orihime until chp. 2, so it's not like you can't introduce them a bit later than in chapter 1.

Chapter 2 is hardly what I'd call 'holding back', though.

[Rejuvenation]

I seriously can't believe there is this much animosity because the girl has big boobs. XD

Well these sales definitely look more consistent with what we are used to seeing. It was like the last batch took a major hit or something.

[ruggia]

if people are talking about big boobs because of Medaka Box, then i can tell you that its a bit of a misunderstanding....
yes her boobs are extremely big, and Jump does seems to be using it as its main advertisement for the manga.. but the manga itself is pretty good...
the oneshot didn't even seem like it was a ecchi manga... (and i don't think her boobs were that big in the actual manga)
i read the oneshot, and it doesn't even have half the ecchiness as ToLoveRu does, and the oneshot only had two or three fanservice, and they didn't mess up the manga or anything.... it felt a lot like Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi....

i'm pretty sure Medaka Box will turn out to be a comedy, school-life manga, with some fanservice, but it doesn't seem like its going to base its story entirely on fanservice and ecchi, like ToLoveRu is doing right now.... it seemed like its going to be a pretty good series, and i'm actually looking forward to it.

but then, its just a oneshot, so who knows whats going to happen in the real series/

[Maxy Barnard]

shush it's fun to poke with sticks let's keep it up :D

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

its just a oneshot, so who knows whats going to happen in the real series/


I haven't seen too many series that diverge from their original one-shots (assuming they had one). So if stands to reason that anyone who did not like the one-shot probably won't like the series either (which sucks for me).

[[Cross]]

Of course, the irony in it all is that you're judging it based off of the raw, when what we're really looking forward to is the writing (though art isn't bad either). In other words, give it a chance.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Oh, I definitely planning on giving it a chance, I'm just not expecting to be blown away...

[ruggia]

....
you guys are basing your opinion based on just the art.....
just so you know, its not about Judo (i saw several people with this misconception)....

[Adieu]

Anyone knows anything about BLUST, the OS by Murata-sensei?
I'm so curious about it...

[[Cross]]

....
you guys are basing your opinion based on just the writing.....
just so you know, its not about Judo (i saw several people with this misconception)....


No, I did say the art was nice, and I'm expecting good things from the writing considering the background of the author. Also, Mr.Prince gave us a good summary of what it's about, and he said it was sket dance-ish in a way that they help others, so I doubt many will think it's about Judo anymore. Not sure if that'll carry on, but only time will tell.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I hope it will be different from Sket. Hoop Men is a perfect example of what can happen when ideas are recycled. The author is pretty famous and wrote some good things so I don't think it will be be some brainless ecchi, but the story has to be good and usually it's hard to find a good balance (the story and characters have to be very good to make me overlook the ecchi).

[Maxy Barnard]

hoop men is a perfect example of what can happen recycling an idea?

no, not really. it's nothing like the other running basketball series, or any others i can think of. i just don't think it clicked with the demographic

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

My only point was that it was about basketball and Jump already had one running at the time. I was not trying to analyze any further than that...

[Sexy Randal 105]

or.... have a girlfriend? (transvestites/sexuals are fine too in this example)

anyway, i don't think people can purely talk down on a series because they have an issue with the concept. inumaru dashi has some unique and brilliant gags in the first 18 chapters (i need more), and i was probably amongst the first bashing it, especially as the author had previous notoriety against him.

I do, but I assumed for people who don't. lol

[Kuuki]

Anyone knows anything about BLUST, the OS by Murata-sensei?
I'm so curious about it...

Found this in Ritual forum : D

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2357/13014082.jpg

[[Cross]]

The first thing that came to mind from from the image was that I see Hiruma's rifle and the main character is going for a trident tackle.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I love Tony Stark...oh wait..

[[Cross]]

His jacket seems to have an acronym, sorta like S.W.A.T. so it may be military based.

[Magicoreo]

Ah I hope BLUST gets scanlated here, it looks interesting...