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Digital_Eon
June 01, 2009, 05:36 PM
Please let DGM back in when ES21 ends, please let DGM have ES21's spot...

I doubt Hoop will continue for a THIRD volume. Unless it has miraculous sales (when's volume 1 going to be released? or has it been already?), it's been at the bottom for so long that Jump would probably just add a... third? new series to replace it.

eni
June 01, 2009, 05:49 PM
But they also spell Kuroko no Basuke as "Kuroko's Basket ball" despite basketball being one word, and if it's two words the second word should be capitalized.
Before you use 'their spelling' I'd say to try writing an email and pointing out that they made a mistake. Who knows, maybe they correct it? :oh

Last time they tried a romanisation, they even managed to do it differently from the author's confirmed intention (Asklepios). That only showed to me that the publisher doesn't consult with the author on such things and thus makes the translations on their webpresence as not relevant to me, unless approved by the author (aka printed) or taken over by an international influential publisher.

Aside from the fact that the website is written in so poor English that even I notice it (and I'm nowhere near the correct use of English myself), I'd call it a mere translation mistake and stick to the Japanese title for the time being.

Can't really comment on Inumaru since I never looked at one of it's raws...

Maxy Barnard
June 01, 2009, 05:50 PM
Ooh Inudash could just have a painfully translated name of Inumaru Buttnaked! :P

Kaiten
June 01, 2009, 06:13 PM
Would "catastrophic engrish" best describe the new Shonen Jump website or does "apocalyptic" sound better? My favorite is "The TV drama making decided, Shingo Katori performs Ryo - san!!"

[Cross]
June 01, 2009, 07:18 PM
haha I noticed it too, it was too amusing to mention it.

Sloggett
June 01, 2009, 09:25 PM
I just got a release list of Augusts American shonen jump titles.


Hikaru no Go • Vol. 16
Hoshin Engi • Vol. 14
Muhyo & Roji's Bureau of Supernatural Investigation • Vol. 12
Slam Dunk • Vol. 5
Wāqwāq • Vol. 1
D.Gray-Man • Vol. 14
Eyeshield 21 • Vol. 27
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure • Vol. 12
NORA: The Last Chronicle of Devildom • Vol. 6
Rosario+Vampire • Vol. 8

Anyone know what Wāqwāq is?

Edit: Looks like it's from the same guy that did Hoshin Engi.

http://z.about.com/d/manga/1/0/a/i/-/-/WaqWaq1_500.jpg

No hotlinking.

eni
June 01, 2009, 09:38 PM
Anyone know what Wāqwāq is?
That's a four volumes manga by the mangaka of Shiki:
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=178

It's actually quite good but sadly rushed. Try it (http://www.mangatraders.com/manga/series/739) :amuse

Heiji-sama
June 02, 2009, 07:39 AM
One Piece #54 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874662-3.jpg

Bleach #39 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874674-6.jpg

D.Gray-man #19 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874642-5.jpg

To Love #14 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874676-0.jpg

Sket Dance #08:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874681-4.jpg

Baku-man #03 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874677-7.jpg

Psyren #06:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874682-1.jpg

Nuraryon no Mago #05:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874667-8.jpg

Inumaru Dashi #02 :
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874698-2.jpg

Shaman King Deluxe - Mentalite (Guide Book):
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874822-1.jpg

Bastard! #26:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874672-2.jpg

Sexy Randal 105
June 02, 2009, 08:07 AM
Hoopmen is a sports series though. They'd need a gag manga to take Jaguar's place (Inumaru maybe?).

Yay for not getting jokes!

eni
June 02, 2009, 08:07 AM
Bastard! #26:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874672-2.jpg
26! And amazing cover to boot! OMG! :wtf

Maxy Barnard
June 02, 2009, 08:19 AM
I need to get two volumes of inudash now.... that's actually more convenient postage wise

Finestela
June 02, 2009, 08:35 AM
26! And amazing cover to boot! OMG! :wtf

Can't wait to see how the author's going to rework the elephant censor in the private area :p

¬Bol
June 02, 2009, 08:47 AM
I want the Mentalite/Mantarite.

Finestela
June 02, 2009, 08:47 AM
Two more covers for V-Jump tanks:

Blue Dragon, Tenkai no Shichiryuu:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874696-8.jpg

Fusion Senki Gundam Battle Trade Rave
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-874695-1.jpg

(Neither of which is remotely attractive if you ask me... :p)

And as added bonus:

Reibaishi Izuna
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-859780-5.jpg

(For some reason, Hikaru no Go's Complete Edition 9 cover isn't updated yet... orz)

Koen
June 02, 2009, 09:16 AM
So it seems the end of es21 is a fact (not a climax as having more meanings and possibilites)

#29 (15/06) :
(Pages Couleurs, Extra Pages & End)

Poor Xophien :(

Crude
June 02, 2009, 09:28 AM
Cool covers, though I was expecting more out of Sket. There also seems to be a lot of unused space in Psyren's cover.

Bomber D Rufi
June 02, 2009, 09:33 AM
When's the next volume of Gintama due? I thought it was June....? Or...thinking back on it it may be July. (Wants to see the next cover.)

Finestela
June 02, 2009, 09:53 AM
When's the next volume of Gintama due? I thought it was June....? Or...thinking back on it it may be July. (Wants to see the next cover.)

Yep, July...
Here's the list of Jump Comic that's scheduled for July:




エンバーミング  2 和月 伸宏・著 2009年7月3日 460円(税込)
ギャグマンガ日和 10 増田 こうすけ・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
銀魂-ぎんたま- 29 空知 英秋・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
家庭教師REBORN 25 天野 明・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
魔人探偵脳噛ネウロ 22 松井 優征・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
ピューと吹く!ジャガー 17 うすた 京介・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
黒子のバスケ  2 藤巻 忠俊・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
ぼっけさん(下) 西 義之・著 2009年7月3日 450円(税込)
フープメン  1 川口 幸範・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
屍鬼  5 藤崎 竜・著 2009年7月3日 460円(税込)
機巧童子ULTIMO  1 武井 宏之・著 2009年7月3日 460円(税込)
スティールボールラン 18 荒木 飛呂彦・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
べるぜバブ  1 田村 隆平・著 2009年7月3日 420円(税込)
TV版DBZ 魔人ブウ復活編1 2009年7月3日 730円(税込)
ナルトイラスト集2 岸本 斉史・著 2009年7月3日 1,575円(税込)

ヒカルの碁完全版 10 小畑 健・著 2009年7月3日 1,000円(税込)



Embalming 2
Gag Manga Biyori 10
Gintama 29
Reborn 25
Neuro 22
Jaguar 17
Kuroko 2
Bokke 2 of 2
Hoop 1
Shiki 5
Ultimo 1
Steel Ball Run 18
Beelz 1
DBZ TV Manga Majin Buu 1
Naruto Illustration Book 2
Hikaru no Go Complete Edition 10

---------------------------

Amazing... none of the Big 4 is here...

Maxy Barnard
June 02, 2009, 10:02 AM
I like shiki, so another tank coming out can only be good for me

StrangerAtaru
June 02, 2009, 10:20 AM
Surprised (and happy) the Izuna manga (AKA: the Nube spinoff) is being acknowledged as part/connected to Jump.

Also really like the revealed Sket cover...it's just neat.

Magicoreo
June 02, 2009, 11:12 AM
Eh, Eyeshield 21 is almost over! Though the current arc is being rushed, Inagaki did a great job creating likeable characters. Such a shame, it was a great manga.

I hope Inagaki will make another comeback! The same goes for Murata, no, I'm not counting his 'Blust!' as of right now.

Kaiten
June 02, 2009, 11:28 AM
Surprised (and happy) the Izuna manga (AKA: the Nube spinoff) is being acknowledged as part/connected to Jump.


Usually nobody bothers to post volume covers, etc. here. But Super Jump is a part, just like SQ and V Jump.

Rejuvenation
June 02, 2009, 12:54 PM
Yay for Embalming and Ultimo.

I'm curious about how well Beelzebub volume 1 will sell.

Does anyone know how much the first Kuroko volume did?

Kaiten
June 02, 2009, 12:59 PM
Does anyone know how much the first Kuroko volume did?

Not enough to make the top 30 =P

(but then that's not unusual for a series first volume)

Mr. Prince
June 02, 2009, 01:07 PM
Does anyone know how much the first Kuroko volume did?
Last sales number I know is after about three weeks: 45,784

Maxy Barnard
June 02, 2009, 01:14 PM
Surprised (and happy) the Izuna manga (AKA: the Nube spinoff) is being acknowledged as part/connected to Jump.

Also really like the revealed Sket cover...it's just neat.

agreed on both counts

Galactic Tomahawk
June 02, 2009, 02:07 PM
Even though I'm not huge on either series Inumaru and Bakuman got my favorite covers this time

I like Mago's too but the lack of background kinda takes away from it.

Crude
June 02, 2009, 03:31 PM
Um, isn't this actually the first Mago cover with a "background". You can see skyscrapers behind Tanuki (forgot his name) and Inugami.

Galactic Tomahawk
June 02, 2009, 05:27 PM
The blank white part I mean

It clashes kind of oddly with the buildings and the foreground stuff.

Cassius
June 03, 2009, 03:25 AM
Toc from 2ch.


543 名前:五代目暇人 ◆2YGyF6T8YE [sage] 投稿日:2009/06/03(水) 16:47:12 ID:CFPrRFeU0

28号

りぼん(表紙+巻頭)
ぬるぽ
わんぴ
べるぜバブ

犬丸
赤星
詭弁学派 四谷先生の怪談(読みきり)
サイレン
めだか
金玉
黒子
バクマソ(センター)

スケト
こち亀
愛汁
ぬるり
とらぶる
メン
ジャガー

Traslated be me


Shonen Jump 28

Reborn (Cover+Colour page)
Naruto
One Piece
Beelze Baby
Bleach
Inumaru
Akaboshi
Kiben Gakuha, Yoyya Sensei no Kaidan (One Shot & Pc)
Psyren
Medaka
Gintama
Kuroko
BakuMan (Page colour)
Toriko
Sket Dance
Kochikame
Eyeshield 21
Mago
To Love
Hoop Men
Jaguar

Koen
June 03, 2009, 03:41 AM
Thanks a lot cassius, mostly I would be able to tell where psyren is (since it mostly says PSY)

but now I can't say my guts tell me it's just above kochi kame
[hr]
The [ri] [bo] it is (the cover + beginning) the ghost story of philosophism theology four valley Mr. [po] cup [pi] [be] [ru] [ze] [babu] yellowtail dog circular Akahoshi which is painted (to read, the drill) siren cyprinodont gold ball Kurosu [bakumaso] (center) 虜 [suketo] the [ri] which the [chi] turtle love juice is painted densely and others the men jaguars which put on airs

Cassius
June 03, 2009, 03:50 AM
Thanks a lot cassius, mostly I would be able to tell where psyren is (since it mostly says PSY)

but now I can't say my guts tell me it's just above kochi kame
<hr noshade size="1">
The [ri] [bo] it is (the cover + beginning) the ghost story of philosophism theology four valley Mr. [po] cup [pi] [be] [ru] [ze] [babu] yellowtail dog circular Akahoshi which is painted (to read, the drill) siren cyprinodont gold ball Kurosu [bakumaso] (center) 虜 [suketo] the [ri] which the [chi] turtle love juice is painted densely and others the men jaguars which put on airs

In my post I made the translation don't need babel fish ;)

Koen
June 03, 2009, 04:47 AM
Toriko :( what the hell. So loooowwww. I am quite suprised in a negative way, this is happening. But hell yeah, psyren is slightly reaching higher grounds. Come on psyren, way to go (close to the top :D)

Rejuvenation
June 03, 2009, 06:53 AM
Wtf is Toriko doing that low? O_o

Hell yeah for Psyren being so high though. Beelzebub is even above Bleach this week which I sure as hell don't mind at all.

Sket just barely getting out of the bottom 5. Naruto beats One Piece this week although I see it taking a hit in the next few weeks since those chapters were beyond boring.

Cipo
June 03, 2009, 07:28 AM
wow... Beelze bub above Bleach...
and Reborn *_*

Bomber D Rufi
June 03, 2009, 07:30 AM
I figured as much for Gintama. Though this isn't terrible as its always been sort of a middler series anyway. And taking out the one shot, It would be a little higher. Sad about Sket though, I sure hope it's not going to die out...(although as one person pointed out, the series has done what it set out to do when it explained the stories for the three leads.) So thats kind of good. Nice rank for Psyren too, and I'm stoked that Bleach is being put in its place by beelze too.

[Cross]
June 03, 2009, 07:36 AM
I'm surprised at Sket's position, since it is already on Bossun's past, though maybe it'll just take a while for it to rise, since it's a pretty long string of chapters.

Bomber D Rufi
June 03, 2009, 07:52 AM
Although it (Sket's position) could have a lot to do with the fact that we have two unranked series, a parade of one shots, and a few new series that didn't immediately bomb. (Also explains Gintama's lower positions lately.) As I've said before, a Hierarchy system is easier to understand, but by no means fair, since something has to be at the bottom, and the top series have 'reserved' spots.

StrangerAtaru
June 03, 2009, 08:08 AM
The only good news for Sket is it is above the bottom 5 so it's not like it's bombing. But with so much new stuff (and Medaka and Akaboshi still getting hype), that's all I can say about that.

Beezle's been on fire as of late...starting to imagine it's getting the Toriko/Kuroko treatment with it's rank. Good showing for Inumaru too. Gintama...could be better but somehow it probably is on the other side of it's development mangawise. And with ES21 finally ending next week, the ranks can only get more interesting.

Bomber D Rufi
June 03, 2009, 08:15 AM
The only good news for Sket is it is above the bottom 5 so it's not like it's bombing. But with so much new stuff (and Medaka and Akaboshi still getting hype), that's all I can say about that.

Beezle's been on fire as of late...starting to imagine it's getting the Toriko/Kuroko treatment with it's rank. Good showing for Inumaru too. Gintama...could be better but somehow it probably is on the other side of it's development mangawise. And with ES21 finally ending next week, the ranks can only get more interesting.

Beezle's a good series Ataru. You really would like it. ;) Gintama's just the victim of being old when new stuff is coming in. I had forgotten about ES21 leaving the magazine, so that should shuffle things up a bit. Ineresting that we've seen two established series (Neuro and ES21) go in one year. Wonder if anything else will go before 2009 ends?

Maxy Barnard
June 03, 2009, 08:52 AM
1 Naruto
2 One Piece
3 Beelzebub
4 Bleach
5 Inumaru
6 Psyren
7 Gintama
8 Kuroko
9 Toriko
10 Sket Dance
11 Eyeshield 21
12 Mago
13 To Love

So the first ten aren't really LOW.... just too top heavy, even by jump standards
14 Hoop Men

TitaniumChloride
June 03, 2009, 08:55 AM
So it seems the end of es21 is a fact (not a climax as having more meanings and possibilites)

#29 (15/06) :
(Pages Couleurs, Extra Pages & End)

Poor Xophien :(

Woah, hang on a sec. So is it official that ES21 is ending next issue?

kewl0210
June 03, 2009, 09:40 AM
Yeah, ES is ending. That and Toriko has opening color next issue. So there's no reason to worry about it. Seems like it had a couple bad weeks.

Yeah, a lot of series' are still unranked.
Beelzebub is good but it isn't really amazing. It's just sorta interesting at this point, but the story is still new and hasn't had much huge development yet. It's still doing the episodic opening arc, and now just finally starting to get longer ones.

Akaboshi staying high is good for it. Even if it's not ranked, that it's so high shows it'll be successful probably.

And Psyren is really high, good for that, too. Though it's just gonna be low again next issue, we all know.

Koen
June 03, 2009, 09:56 AM
And Psyren is really high, good for that, too. Though it's just gonna be low again next issue, we all know.

On what grounds do you say this :oh

the last three weeks were a 2 on 3... imo this might be a sign psyren has a fanbase (= a bias) and its arc must even be appreciated among none-biased people

I do agree jojoing is always possible when you're not in the top. One day sket jumps over you, the other week psyren jumps over gintama, two weeks later bakuman jumps over everything and so on

VASSiLi
June 03, 2009, 11:16 AM
Shit, what happened to Bakuman? Even if he gets color pages, it's so low in the ToC >_>

Koen
June 03, 2009, 12:27 PM
Shit, what happened to Bakuman? Even if he gets color pages, it's so low in the ToC >_>

No worries that's a fixed spot. That's not its true ranking.

It can be better or ... worse :p ;)

VASSiLi
June 03, 2009, 12:50 PM
No worries that's a fixed spot. That's not its true ranking.

It can be better or ... worse :p ;)

lol, I hope it will be better! Someone remember how was DeathNote's ranking?

Maxy Barnard
June 03, 2009, 01:26 PM
Death Note did awful in the rankings really. But a high amount of colour whoring and massive tank sales kept it going

Kaiten
June 03, 2009, 08:05 PM
On what grounds do you say this :oh

the last three weeks were a 2 on 3... imo this might be a sign psyren has a fanbase (= a bias) and its arc must even be appreciated among none-biased people

I do agree jojoing is always possible when you're not in the top. One day sket jumps over you, the other week psyren jumps over gintama, two weeks later bakuman jumps over everything and so on

It's been bothering me that Psyren wasn't ranking higher. Since New Years it's been one of the best series in the magazine IMO. One Piece, Naruto, Bakuman, and Psyren are the series I really care about at the moment.

Bomber D Rufi
June 03, 2009, 08:13 PM
It's been bothering me that Psyren wasn't ranking higher. Since New Years it's been one of the best series in the magazine IMO. One Piece, Naruto, Bakuman, Gintama and Psyren are the series I really care about at the moment.

Fixed. No thanks necessary. ^^

Kaiten
June 03, 2009, 08:46 PM
You're a sneaky one, Bomberman. Do I need to hide my wallet?

Onomatopoeia
June 03, 2009, 09:16 PM
Psyren did really well that's cool. Hopefully it'll stay up though.

Naruto's ranking makes sense it's the one where Naruto beats Pein though it's probablly going to take a hit the next few chapters.

With ES 21 ending I may consider getting back into it. I read all the way up until the end of the Christmas bowl.

Bomber D Rufi
June 03, 2009, 10:06 PM
You're a sneaky one, Bomberman. Do I need to hide my wallet?

Oh no need. I've already got that. :) Besides You know you meant to put Gintama there. I just helped you fix your mistake.


(Six hundred and first post for the win!)

Kaiten
June 03, 2009, 10:41 PM
Oh no need. I've already got that. :) Besides You know you meant to put Gintama there. I just helped you fix your mistake.


(Six hundred and first post for the win!)

I do feel honored that you fixed my over site with post 600 ^^

eni
June 04, 2009, 02:20 AM
I moved all the posts regarding the demographic discussion into the Otaku Hangout, starting with VASSiLi's comment on Death Note (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1382155#post1382155) being more seinen than shounen.

Heiji-sama
June 04, 2009, 03:30 AM
http://www.shueisha.co.jp/magazine/boyc/jpg/w_jump0512_h.jpeg

eni
June 04, 2009, 03:46 AM
Oh, they puzzle. How cute :amuse And Naruto is there too.

Thank you, Heiji ^^

Finestela
June 04, 2009, 04:27 AM
Finally... it's updated = ="
Hikaru no Go Complete Edition 9:
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/search/book_image/978-4-08-782214-4.jpg

Sexy Randal 105
June 04, 2009, 12:06 PM
*cough* Nobody mentioned that Toriko is in the bottom five....and Psyren is number six! Weird ass TOC.

[Cross]
June 04, 2009, 12:18 PM
*cough* Nobody mentioned that Toriko is in the bottom five....and Psyren is number six! Weird ass TOC.

A number of people have actually, but it isn't too worrying. This toc is really awkward, probably offplaced by Reborn's cover and a number of unranked series being on the top.

nassass
June 04, 2009, 01:16 PM
I think Beelzebub is the reson of the crazy ToC. It also attracts fans from Toriko and Gintama.
But probably the stability return soon. If the first impact gone away.

Finestela
June 04, 2009, 01:50 PM
I'm not too worried about Toriko. This could simply be an outlier.
Unless Toriko's 8 week average falls under 10, I won't be worried at all.

Rejuvenation
June 04, 2009, 01:50 PM
*cough* Nobody mentioned that Toriko is in the bottom five....and Psyren is number six! Weird ass TOC.

Sket Dance, Eyeshield 21, Mago, To Love Ru, and Hoop Men are the bottom five unless you aren't counting To Love Ru or something.

Psyren's spot isn't surprising considering the content of that chapter.

unok-kun
June 04, 2009, 04:27 PM
From what issue are the votes for this ToC? I mean, I'm not really sure how to take the rankings if I don't know what chapter they are for...

[Cross]
June 04, 2009, 04:35 PM
It's usually from 8 issues ago.

Koen
June 04, 2009, 04:40 PM
From what issue are the votes for this ToC? I mean, I'm not really sure how to take the rankings if I don't know what chapter they are for...

always go 8 chapters back: so chapter 66 of psyren should be rated now (starting the count from this week's chapter: 73 (included in the count) -> 66)
[hr]

;1384630']It's usually from 8 issues ago.

Do double issues count for one or two then? since there's only one chap in a double one

Onomatopoeia
June 04, 2009, 04:43 PM
Can't wait for Bleach Chapter 354 to be rated and the most recent Naruto Chapter.

[Cross]
June 04, 2009, 07:35 PM
always go 8 chapters back: so chapter 66 of psyren should be rated now (starting the count from this week's chapter: 73 (included in the count) -> 66)
<hr noshade size="1">


Do double issues count for one or two then? since there's only one chap in a double one

For some reason which is now beyond me, I was avoiding saying 8 chapters and said 8 issues. 8 chapters seems more precise, as it doesn't deal with the double issue situation.

Sexy Randal 105
June 04, 2009, 09:22 PM
The current arc in Toriko is kind of boring..

Rejuvenation
June 04, 2009, 09:38 PM
I think the current arc is good, it is just over saturated with GT Robos. They aren't exactly the most interesting of enemies and since they are all the same there isn't any diversity.

Good thing the last one is about to go down it seems so this arc may conclude shortly after.

Hopefully the next one sheds some light on Zebra.

GARusashi
June 04, 2009, 11:48 PM
Toriko hasn't been interesting since the Puffer Whale arc. I think it just lost it's charm after that.

But then again, Naruto hasn't been good since the Chuunin exam and Bleach hasn't been good since midway through Soul Society, and they're still striving.

Hopefully Beezlebub and Akaboshi can surpass these mangas, though I doubt Akaboshi will make it long.

kewl0210
June 05, 2009, 01:25 AM
What? How can you say this arc is boring? This is where the characters are finally developing outside the basic story. The earlier arcs were too short. It's finally gotten past the generic "let's go do something" kinda arcs and given meaning behind it with an enemy and the character's beliefs. The idea with the GT Robos is that there's an enemy that is not actually there, they fight without the risk of death. That and all the other things which have made the story original, like the characters ideals and goals and such. Plus it incorporates science and logic to how people are defeated, it's not straightforward and boring. It's given a lot more thought into its story than most mangas I've seen, plus its still kept in its original theme about food, but built on it with the gourmet cells.

Bleach tends to get episodic, but I find it still fairly interesting despite a lack of any character development, only examining the characters as they are because there are soooo many.

Naruto's current arc was good I thought until the end, which seemed like a cop out, "Because you chose not to kill me, I have decided to believe in you, now I'll just bring everyone back to life." Seemed somewhat forced. But now Naruto heads into its finale with Sasuke. It's leading to the story's end now.

Koen
June 05, 2009, 01:35 AM
You know you guys but discussing these things in the manga's thread itself would be really good for the sole thread. But anyway I kinda agree with kewl toriko's current arc, and thus the manga itself, is highly amusing. Okay, it slightly walks the generic shounen path in that arc but that doesn't necessarily mean it loses my interest. I really can't understand you call it boring oO I think you can only judge this arc on what's going to come afterwards. But GT robots are definitely a cool ennemy

Finestela
June 05, 2009, 05:03 AM
Okay, it slightly walks the generic shounen path in that arc but that doesn't necessarily mean it loses my interest.

Perhaps this is exactly the core of issue here? Toriko had this expectation of being "different". That's what made it stands out in the first place.

andrewsungchehau
June 05, 2009, 08:37 AM
Just read the 1st 3 chapters of Akaboshi and it's quite good IMO. It reminds me of Fairy Tail(beginning chapters) and D Gray Man(109 Innocence and 108 people concept, also both involve war).

Finestela
June 05, 2009, 08:45 AM
The 108 heros is because that's how it was in the novel ;)

andrewsungchehau
June 05, 2009, 09:21 AM
The 108 heros is because that's how it was in the novel ;)

I see. Hope it gets better every chapter.;)

Kaiten
June 05, 2009, 10:29 AM
Hopefully chapter 3 gets translated soon ^^

Rock-a-Dillo
June 05, 2009, 10:40 AM
eh sorry, can i ask a question?? :)

is the news about OP beating DB is true?? i mean even wiki has change it to best selling manga of all time??
but the source is in japanese, so does someone has the latest sells list :p

Imitorar
June 05, 2009, 11:40 AM
Not on hand, but it's true. It was only a matter of time anyway. For years it's been obvious that One Piece would be longer than Dragon Ball, and that combined with its popularity meant that it was sure to outsell Dragon Ball eventually. It's the same reason that Kochikame has outsold everything but One Piece and Dragon Ball, sheer length helped. Although One Piece has sold an impressive amount for a 54 volume series, I don't know if its sales-per-volume average is higher than Dragon Ball's or not.

Mr. Prince
June 05, 2009, 12:09 PM
That article is somewhat strange since it's generally about what children play nowadays...like in DBZ's time they mimicked scenes from Dragonball and stuff like that and the question was if it's the same with One Piece since it is quite popular according to sales' numbers and surveys.

I just skipped over it since it wasn't that interesting but the respective line is:
> 単行本全53巻の累計発行部数は1億5800万部で、日本のコミック発行部数の最高記録を達成中(2009年3月現在)。
Roughly: The 53 tankoubon got a number of 158 mio printed copies in total which is the highest number for any Japanese comic (as of March 09)

Correct me if I understood it wrong but I guess that's what it says.

kewl0210
June 05, 2009, 01:24 PM
Longer than Kochikame? I think you meant it was obvious it would outsell it... Kochikame is like 160 volumes... One Piece is like a third of that and it's said to be past the half way point. Plus Kochikame isn't even ending any time soon.

Imitorar
June 05, 2009, 01:33 PM
Longer than Kochikame? I think you meant it was obvious it would outsell it... Kochikame is like 160 volumes... One Piece is like a third of that and it's said to be past the half way point. Plus Kochikame isn't even ending any time soon.
Whoops, I meant longer than Dragon Ball. That's a very confusing typo, thanks for pointing that out...

Jabberwocky
June 05, 2009, 01:41 PM
Hopefully chapter 3 gets translated soon ^^
Don't know if you are waiting for a specific group but chapter 3 eng scan from "I Eat Manga" is out
http://mangahelpers.com/s/i-eat-manga/readonline/32527/1
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From 1st 3 chapters Medaka Box looks be a series that will turn into a cushion for Psyren and Mago after Hoopman is cancelled.

Elyon A. Luna
June 05, 2009, 03:51 PM
I hope the oneshot that was announced in this issue gets scanned/scanlated

Kibengakuha Yotsuya sensei no kaidan by Haruichi Furudate.

I have a thing for kaidan stories.

SameOld
June 05, 2009, 04:29 PM
From 1st 3 chapters Medaka Box looks be a series that will turn into a cushion for Psyren and Mago after Hoopman is cancelled.

Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it will become everyone's cushion. Even though some people's initial reactions to it weren't exactly good, Medaka Box has the potential to become a huge hit. Besides having stuff japanese readers love to see (i.e. a female lead with a strong personality, some fighting here and there and, of course, fanservice), its premise makes it a highly adaptable series, so if it starts losing popularity and its sales drop, the writer can simply change the focus to whatever the readers are asking for, and soon it'll raise again.

That, and Psyren doesn't need a cushion anymore. :p

Rejuvenation
June 05, 2009, 05:19 PM
I think we can hold off on the cushion talk until we see what Jump does after ES21 and Hoop Men ends. For all we know new series could come in and completely bomb thus being the cushion for Medaka Box and Akaboshi.

Rock-a-Dillo
June 05, 2009, 09:49 PM
Not on hand, but it's true. It was only a matter of time anyway. For years it's been obvious that One Piece would be longer than Dragon Ball, and that combined with its popularity meant that it was sure to outsell Dragon Ball eventually. It's the same reason that Kochikame has outsold everything but One Piece and Dragon Ball, sheer length helped. Although One Piece has sold an impressive amount for a 54 volume series, I don't know if its sales-per-volume average is higher than Dragon Ball's or not.

umm but didn't DB last for 12 years also?? though each chapter only contain 14 pages :p
btw do you know when did the DB sale count last updated ?? did the count end the year DB ends or does it still being updated for every year after it ends to today??
i mean if it were still being updated, we don't really know how much did it sell when it ends:amuse

Tru_TO
June 06, 2009, 02:13 AM
hey, can i ask a question?
When do you think One Piece will end?
Will it go for another 15 years?

Kaiten
June 06, 2009, 03:23 AM
It will end when Oda wants it to end.

sir_arles
June 06, 2009, 05:21 AM
It will end when Oda wants it to end.

Or when Shueisha wants it to end....

SameOld
June 06, 2009, 06:15 AM
Or when Shueisha wants it to end....

That is, if they ever do. :P

But Oda himself has said it'll last around 900~1000 chapters.

Tru_TO
June 06, 2009, 06:44 AM
That is, if they ever do. :P

But Oda himself has said it'll last around 900~1000 chapters.

yesss....so theres a possibity of 15-20 years?

andrewsungchehau
June 06, 2009, 08:15 AM
That is, if they ever do. :P

But Oda himself has said it'll last around 900~1000 chapters.

That's just so long.:blink I guess I put it on hold first since I haven't actually really into it(randomly read some chapters and 15 something anime episodes) if that's the case.:p

Elyon A. Luna
June 06, 2009, 09:35 AM
In the SBS for the latest volume, Oda has said that One Piece is currently by the half, would mean another decade...

And I don't think Oda lets himself, or needs to let himself be carried by his editor, unlike some others.

LegACy
June 06, 2009, 10:01 AM
Actually, he said that he thinks it would be half-way after 5 years, however, in reality, it reached half-way in 10 years instead of 5, so, it's safe to assume that one piece can still last for another 15 years.

I don't know whether I want one piece to ends or no... :x

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 12:19 PM
Both Psyren and Mago are quite a mystery for me...
While Psyren has a high ranking, the tankoubon sales are quite low. In Mago's case it's reverse. TOC rank sucks, but the tankoubon sales are the highest for series that started in 2008, together with Bakuman.
I guess in recent times, the factor for popularity in manga is more complex than the old days.

kewl0210
June 06, 2009, 05:14 PM
This just in from the land of fabrication, 2ch. The Uchikiri Survival Thread.

関係者に聞いた話ね
This is something I heard from an authorized person.

昨日連載会議あったんだけど、その1ヶ月前くらいにもう1回会議あったみたい
There was a serialization conference yesterday, though there seems there was one about a month ago.
29号アイシールドout(これはもっと前に決まってた)
Issue 28 Eyeshield out (This was decided earlier)
31号でフープメンout
Issue 31 Hoopmen out
32号から2つin
Issue 32, two others in.
35号と36・37合併号で読み切りある(金未来ではない)
In issues 35 and double issue 36-37 there will be one-shots (not the golden future cup)
36・37号でぬらりひょんout
Issue 36-37 Nurarihyon out.
38号からまた2つin
Issue 38 another two in.
多分45号あたりでハンターハンターが復活するって(まだ確定ではない)
Probably around issue 45 Hunter X Hunter will come back (it's not decided)

Also there's a Sket Dance drama CD...?
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3615598
And that means it'll get an anime eventually, apparently...
That part's separate, by the way... This at least, seems to be real.

And I found this interesting, comparison between Beelzebub and Double Arts:
http://www.ryusui-web.com/jump_uchikiri/beruze&arts.png

Koen
June 06, 2009, 05:28 PM
Cool if that would be 100% true then sadly for mago to be out but hurray for psyren and others to live on for another 16 issues (15 chapters)

[Cross]
June 06, 2009, 05:45 PM
Wow, that is quite a bit to take in. Well Hoop Men leaving is rather a given, Mago is sorta sad to see.

kewl0210
June 06, 2009, 05:51 PM
People have said "take it with a pinch of salt" "it's a total lie" "if sket dance isn't in the list of canceled series it ain't true" and such. So just assume that's a lie unless the preview for next week says Hoopmen ends...

Josl
June 06, 2009, 05:53 PM
Mago out? I'm glad psyren survives and i like psyren more than mago but i don't understand the criteria on which the editors decide. I always thought the main criteria are the volume sales but mago sold around 140000(?) and psyren around 50000(?) per voulume

[Cross]
June 06, 2009, 05:56 PM
People have said "take it with a pinch of salt" "it's a total lie" "if sket dance isn't in the list of canceled series it ain't true" and such. So just assume that's a lie unless the preview for next week says Hoopmen ends...

Certainly, I always have that salt shaker ready just in case. I'm just referring to the possibility that it is true, in which case that would be my reaction.

Finestela
June 06, 2009, 06:39 PM
I've always been reluctant to believe these so-called "people inside the company" says about what's being decided during the meeting... If I can get a nickle for every time I hear ToLoveRu getting axed... :p

There hasn't been a creditable insider for a pretty long time now (a year maybe?) So, like Kewl said, take it with a bucket of salt (or two).

Rejuvenation
June 06, 2009, 06:59 PM
^lol I remember the TLR and Psyren chants of being dead. =P

Plus I'm always skeptical when I see talk of HxH coming back.

Although a Sket Dance anime would be more than welcome.

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 07:15 PM
if i remember correctly, TOC ranking is for 8 chapters before, right?

[Cross]
June 06, 2009, 07:24 PM
^ That is correct. Hm...if this Sket Dance Drama CD comes out, I really hope someone rips it, I'd like to hear the voices...though they don't always used Drama CD VAs for the anime so it might not be a good measure of that.

Tru_TO
June 06, 2009, 07:37 PM
i wanna see a breakthrough battle manga soon, i mean when Naruto and Bleach end one will have to come.

Rejuvenation
June 06, 2009, 07:41 PM
i wanna see a breakthrough battle manga soon, i mean when Naruto and Bleach end one will have to come.

I think a breakthrough battle manga is the least of things to worry about since half of the magazine is full of them on average.

And really, its only when Naruto ends because Bleach won't be ending any time soon from what Kubo says. Especially with his pacing issues and wasted panels. >.>

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 07:47 PM
Yeah, i would like some breakthrough battle manga too.
Of all the new battle series, only Mago and Psyren manage to grabbed me.
And now, with Mago on the verge of cancellation and Psyren with the constant fear of getting low ranked again, it's quite annoying. It's not that i hate established title such as naruto or bleach, but i do need a change of scenery.

ttxdragon
June 06, 2009, 08:01 PM
Wait for any of the 'middle tier battle series' to get an anime -- that can propel a middle tier to the top. And Psyren is starting the "huge ass arc part" of the story as with most longer running series in Jump. Around vol8 seems to be the cracking point for those series with around v10-12 being the point for first possible anime-announcements unless it's an odd case (like, for example, DGM which started an anime far earlier because of the pause in serialization likely).

As for those cancellations, I didn't think Mago would go ._. but, then again, I dunno much about the series, anyway so I can't comment on whether it's a timely or untimely demise -- if the cancellation-plan holds true.

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 08:16 PM
Yeah, the "huge ass arc" is the one i'm always waiting for in a jump series. I just hope that jump will take Mago's tankoubon sales into consideration, not to mention Mago also got it's huge ass arc coming.

StrangerAtaru
June 06, 2009, 08:27 PM
If Mago ends, don't really mourn for it. To have a series that lasts this long isn't too bad an ordeal and sets up a foundation for his next series. On one hand, look at how Psyren seems to have come into it's own with a year and a half...but then again, look at Mx0. (OK, bad thought but still: I think that this success could be a foundation for something more later on if Mago does go after a year)

As for Sket's drama CD...just means a drama CD to me. Muhyo got a couple novelizations and it never got an anime sadly. I want Sket to get the respect it deserves and maybe an anime as reward for two years, but somehow there are still series out there that get nothing for their effort.

[Cross]
June 06, 2009, 09:07 PM
From this site: http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3615598

My friend was able to tell me VAs in the Sket Dance Drama CD:

Bossun: Hiroyuki YOSHINO (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=507)
Himeko: Ryoko SHIRAISHI (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=16480)
Switch: Tomokazu SUGITA (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=910)

I can't believe Kyon will be voicing Switch.

Bomber D Rufi
June 06, 2009, 09:27 PM
;1388165']From this site: http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/3615598

My friend was able to tell me VAs in the Sket Dance Drama CD:

Bossun: Hiroyuki YOSHINO (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=507)
Himeko: Ryoko SHIRAISHI (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=16480)
Switch: Tomokazu SUGITA (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=910)

I can't believe Kyon will be voicing Switch.

Gintoki as Switch?! Hayate as Himeko, and Takachin//Yoshimori as Bossun?

....Interesting. Not only will Sket and Gin be connected by their authors...but by Sugita doing characters from both series.....Oh Shuiesha...you....

Elyon A. Luna
June 06, 2009, 09:46 PM
I really hope Mago doesn't go. Is interesting, and the tankoubon sales should be an anchoring point.

Siberia
June 06, 2009, 09:58 PM
I hope the spoiler is not true.
I thought Mago sold well but its kinda sad to see it ending, btw , we still got no news from DGM n how come there are so many mysteries of DGM. (hope it can survive longer)

Hoopmen, it does make senses if it will be out, considering its low ranking.

Digital_Eon
June 06, 2009, 10:18 PM
Well, Hoop Men's a bit of a given - but we'll have to wait longer than next week to find out when it gets cancelled.

Four new series (four?! That's unusual) would mean they're not even holding a spot for DGM. That alone would make me suspicious of those reports... it's like DGM wasn't even taken into consideration ("once the oneshots end, there'll be space for a new series!"). And though we had no news on its reason for being gone, it seems weird that such a report would have forgotten about it... and make sure it doesn't return until at least the next ending/cancellation ten issues ahead of a new series. =/

Galactic Tomahawk
June 06, 2009, 10:21 PM
Yep, this week's #28.

So unless it was off a week it's probably fake.

Negative Syndicate
June 06, 2009, 10:28 PM
If Jump cancelled Mago, then Jump must out of their mind because despite of low ranking, on lightly, actually doing pretty good on selling tankoubans. So if Jump wants to make more money, they should have not cancel Mago. And if they are going to cancel Mago, this means that they don't want to make any money.

So far, there are four series that sell lower than Mago, and there are Kuroko, Inumaru, Psyren, and Sket Dance. However, Kuroko and Inumaru will never going to be cancel because shueisha is supporting Kuroko to take place of Eyeshield21, which going to end next issue, and for Inumaru, despite of low volume sells, actually doing pretty good on the ranking. As a result, Psyren and Sket Dance should much close on the edge on to be cancelled than Mago. But, Psyren is also actually doing good on ranking, since 2009, so Psyren should increase their volume sell on near future. Therefore, actually Sket Dance is more in danger to cancel than Mago (Sorry for Sket Dance fans).

Although, Jump can end Tolove-Ru, instead of Sket Dance because it has been even lower rank than either Sket Dance and Mago. Also, MedakaBox can replace Tolove-Ru's spot.

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 10:35 PM
Yeah, i really hope it's fake. I mean, it's not the first time i see a fake spoiler from 2ch.
Last year, i read in another forum that To-love-ru and Psyren wil be cancelled around december, which of course it's not.

Tru_TO
June 06, 2009, 10:51 PM
well OP going for another 10 years, i bet all the current manga (except Kochikame ofcourse) will be finished and OP will still be going lols, what new theme can be done? everything has been done to death now:
Shinigami, Ninja's, Demons, Pirates, American football, Tennis, Soccer, Hunters, Samurai's, Policemen/Detectives, Boxing, Martial Arts, Assasins etc. It will be really hard for a new breakthrough manga with a new manga theme, but it would be epic, if it had like 5 different concepts in the same one.

Rejuvenation
June 06, 2009, 10:52 PM
If Jump cancelled Mago, then Jump must out of their mind because despite of low ranking, on lightly, actually doing pretty good on selling tankoubans. So if Jump wants to make more money, they should have not cancel Mago. And if they are going to cancel Mago, this means that they don't want to make any money.

So far, there are four series that sell lower than Mago, and there are Kuroko, Inumaru, Psyren, and Sket Dance. However, Kuroko and Inumaru will never going to be cancel because shueisha is supporting Kuroko to take place of Eyeshield21, which going to end next issue, and for Inumaru, despite of low volume sells, actually doing pretty good on the ranking. As a result, Psyren and Sket Dance should much close on the edge on to be cancelled than Mago. But, Psyren is also actually doing good on ranking, since 2009, so Psyren should increase their volume sell on near future. Therefore, actually Sket Dance is more in danger to cancel than Mago (Sorry for Sket Dance fans).

Although, Jump can end Tolove-Ru, instead of Sket Dance because it has been even lower rank than either Sket Dance and Mago. Also, MedakaBox can replace Tolove-Ru's spot.

To Love Ru sells better than all the series you just named. That is one of the few reasons why I see Jump hasn't canceled it yet.

Plus I did say earlier that Sket Dance has finished most of what it set out to do for the most part. Only one more past arc really needs to happen atm.

Not sure if Medaka Box will replace Sket, TLR, or become something on its own entirely. A series doesn't NEED to be a token placeholder after all.

Kaiten
June 06, 2009, 11:06 PM
ToRa is one of the only series where the audience is primarily in high school or college. With 85% of it's readers under 18, Jump could ill afford to lose that demographic.

Imitorar
June 06, 2009, 11:06 PM
umm but didn't DB last for 12 years also?? though each chapter only contain 14 pages :p
btw do you know when did the DB sale count last updated ?? did the count end the year DB ends or does it still being updated for every year after it ends to today??
i mean if it were still being updated, we don't really know how much did it sell when it ends:amuse
Dragon Ball lasted for about 10.5 years. And it had less volumes than One Piece, despite having only about 25 fewer chapters, as of now, because Dragon Ball volumes were for the most part 12 chapters long, and only 13-15 pages long, as opposed to One Pieces 18-16 (it's been that way since around volume 3 or 4). And the Dragon Ball sales count is updated periodically, it's not the same count from 1995 when the series ended. The entire list was updated. And we don't know how much Dragon Ball had sold in 1995, but why does that matter? We're talking total sales for both series', and One Piece has more.

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 11:16 PM
a little question about reborn!. Before vol. 8,(sorry don't remember which chapter) it was a mostly comedy oriented with no recurring villain nor a strong plot.
How did it manage to survive that long? I mean beelzebub introduces villain, the Tohoshinki much faster than Reborn introduces Kokuyo gang, is reborn that popular before even becoming an action oriented series?
And me and my friends had discussion about Psyren yesterday. somehow we got the impression that Psyren is going to be one of those manga that's popular in TOC but not entering Jump's list of best seling titles of all time. what do you guys think?

Kaiten
June 06, 2009, 11:27 PM
Nothing has ever given me the feeling Psyren will ever be a TOC power house. My feeling is it is the next Houshin Engi; a series that lasts four or five years, has a moderate following, and is remembered as a great series.

Koshi_Inaba
June 06, 2009, 11:36 PM
Nothing has ever given me the feeling Psyren will ever be a TOC power house. My feeling is it is the next Houshin Engi; a series that lasts four or five years, has a moderate following, and is remembered as a great series.

Strong possibilities, but you have to remember that Houshin Engi sold more that 15 million copies and is one jump's best-selling in the late 90's. I think Psyren will sell past 1 million but not reaching 10 million.

Sexy Randal 105
June 07, 2009, 12:14 AM
Jeez...just end To-love already instead of cutting Mago. That sells very well as is. Almost as well as To-love but tolove has run its course.

And about Toriko, the character development is needed but I don't even remember WHY they are doing what they are doing in this arc...

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 01:19 AM
So, ah, what's with all the talk of Mago ending? Did I miss some big announcement? Or not.

Jabberwocky
June 07, 2009, 03:34 AM
So, ah, what's with all the talk of Mago ending? Did I miss some big announcement? Or not.
Its just a rumor right now.

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 03:50 AM
Its just a rumor right now.

I had intended sarcasm. Forgot to put my statement in italics or something. I wouldn't qualify it as a rumor even. Someone had some big post about what could end next and why it shouldn't, just skimmed the post, it was to long. Since it's obvious Hoop Men will end next and only two new series will come, nothing else is in danger.

Koshi_Inaba
June 07, 2009, 03:54 AM
^yeah, i agree with you kaiten.
BTW, anyone knows the answer to my question about reborn?

Crude
June 07, 2009, 10:21 AM
Mago getting cancelled is doubtful, what with the great sales and all. Anyway, I'm just so happy to see a Sket drama cd announced! I don't think I've ever been hyped (or for that matter actually cared) about a drama cd before!

Koen
June 07, 2009, 10:36 AM
I think you guys are a bit too fixed on the sales. Jump will only care about sales when there's a full merchandise behind low positioned series, like TLR (manga and anime). I would definitely count mago in mx0's league. It sells pretty decent to good but if it won't get out of the bottom then it'll simply be cancelled because it doesn't have the merchandise to stand on... At this moment mago is safe because of a cushion but it will definitely be the next one in the row if it won't jump out of the bottom (unless the new ones are cushions too)

Koshi_Inaba
June 07, 2009, 10:40 AM
yeah, i guess that's true. But TOC is for 8 chapters before right? so, to see the current chapter's ranking i have to wait for 8 more weeks right?

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 10:54 AM
Ko-neta:




590 : ◆EizHb38XPU :2009/06/08(月) 00:50:39 ID:6yiJoFhj0
小ネタ
・29 21out
 ドベ5 フープ、とら、PSY、バクマン、亀
 スケドラマCD化告知だけ
・30巻頭OP C読切、銀




2009-29
ES 21 Ends (well, that's 100% confirmation right there :p)

Bottom 5:
KochiKame
Bakuman
Psyren
ToLoveRu
Hoop

Sket's News contains only info on Drama CD (so no news on animation)

2009-30
Lead CP: OP
CP: 1-shot, Gintama

Heiji-sama
June 07, 2009, 10:55 AM
#29 (15/06) :
Eyeshield 21 (End)

Last :
Kochi Kame
Baku-man
Psyren
To Love
Hoop Men
Jaguar

Sket Dance Drama Cd decided.

#30 (22/06) :
One Piece (Couv & Pages Couleurs)
Gintama (Pages Couleurs)
Kasuga Makoto / Ultimate Chaser (One Shot & Pages Couleurs)

Siberia
June 07, 2009, 10:57 AM
Ko-neta:




2009-29
ES 21 Ends (well, that's 100% confirmation right there :p)

Bottom 5:
KochiKame
Bakuman
Psyren
ToLoveRu
Hoop

Sket's News contains only info on Drama CD (so no news on animation)

2009-30
Lead CP: OP
CP: 1-shot, Gintama

Bakuman is one of the bottom 5???? serious???

Crude
June 07, 2009, 10:59 AM
Mago ain't on the last of the magazine, that's good, but then again Psyren and Bakuman are low!

Negative Syndicate
June 07, 2009, 11:06 AM
I'm happy about finally Mago is not in bottom 5, or maybe just above KochiKame because KochiKame is unranked. Therefore, I'm thinking about news for Mago going to be cancel may be just a false story.

However, I don't get why Psyren suddenly massively drop into bottom 5. In this week's issue, Psyren's ranking was almost near top 5. Also, I think Psyren is currently in their best arc.

I don't worry about Bakuman because their sales are higher than both Mago and Toriko, and the authors are very famous for Death Note, so I'm not worry about Bakuman

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 11:14 AM
Bakuman...what the hell. Should we chalk this up to the unranked being on top?
I mean the week before the unranked colour page it was also rather low...
I can't wait till the unranked get ranked so we can get a normal toc.
Woo hoo for Gintama getting a colour.

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 11:31 AM
I know... this ToC is just funky...
Psyren's up-and-down is understandable, but Bakuman?!!

Also, I really hope that Ko-neta would start listing bottom 6 whenever Kochikame is down there = ="

SameOld
June 07, 2009, 11:48 AM
WHAT? Psyren in the bottom five? In the week corresponding to the color page with the poll results and
the fight between Shao and Shiner???
What the hell? This doesn't make any sense! :coffeeshock

Magicoreo
June 07, 2009, 12:04 PM
BAKUMAN?
What. The. Hell.

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 12:07 PM
Well, going back 8 chapters it would be said colour page. If the fight you mentioned is suppose to be as good as you made it sound, this is a bit troubling for Psyren fans.

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 12:18 PM
Look on the bright side: A drama CD most likely means a Sket Dance anime is coming. Shame Psyren is so low, Bakuman too.

Rejuvenation
June 07, 2009, 12:20 PM
Wow, the fact that fight ranked so low is ridiculous. I'd seriously hope it jumps back up next ranking.

I can't remember which Bakuman chapter this is. Considering certain chapters are better than others lately, I'm not surprised it yo-yos. Although Bakuman is one of the last series I'd personally be worried about.

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 12:35 PM
Next week's Bakuman rank will be interesting to see, it was the one where they had the cover. If they rank low, I will laugh for a week. Then proceed to cry.

Sexy Randal 105
June 07, 2009, 01:11 PM
I can understand Bakuman dying now. It stopped being interesting the second they got serialized. Now it's just a "where do we go from here" feeling. Psyren always yo-yos so I'm not surprised.

As for a breakthrough battle manga....I want to see one about inner-city gang warfare! ハイパードライバイ!!!!

¬Bol
June 07, 2009, 01:31 PM
lol, Bakuman in bottom 5. How funny it is.

kewl0210
June 07, 2009, 03:14 PM
Well Eyeshield ended which will bring other stuff down now since it had been in the bottom 5. Eh, how manga freaking mangas are left in Jump that are ranked now???
One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Toriko, Beelzebub, Gintama, Sket Dance, Psyren, Bakuman...
Reborn, Inumaru Dash, Kuroko no Basuke, Nurarihyon no Mago...

ToLoveRu is basically always at the bottom 5. Hoopmen, too. So not much left, is there?

SameOld
June 07, 2009, 03:50 PM
Well Eyeshield ended which will bring other stuff down now since it had been in the bottom 5. Eh, how manga freaking mangas are left in Jump that are ranked now???
One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Toriko, Beelzebub, Gintama, Sket Dance, Psyren, Bakuman...
Reborn, Inumaru Dash, Kuroko no Basuke, Nurarihyon no Mago...

ToLoveRu is basically always at the bottom 5. Hoopmen, too. So not much left, is there?

That'll change in two weeks though, since Medaka's about to reach chapter 8. And in the following week Akaboshi will start ranking as well.

Then again, there's also OP and Naruto... not counting color pages and absent weeks, they're ALWAYS the top two in the rankings. Their positions are pretty much fixed.

Rejuvenation
June 07, 2009, 04:14 PM
I'm interested in seeing how well Medaka and Akaboshi rank. Also if Jump will add new series in once they are officially ranked. The faster Jump does, the faster there is a chance for something else to be a cushion for whats already here.

DeidaraGrimmjow
June 07, 2009, 04:31 PM
The faster Jump does, the faster there is a chance for something else to be a cushion for whats already here.


Or the faster something new will be a hit and push something already established down.

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 04:47 PM
Meaning Bakuman could be in danger if one of these new series prove to be hits, as per it's recent fall. Bad time to drop, I say.

SameOld
June 07, 2009, 05:27 PM
;1389104']Meaning Bakuman could be in danger if one of these new series prove to be hits, as per it's recent fall. Bad time to drop, I say.

From both series' placements so far, I'd say none of them is a complete and utter failure like Hoop Men (sadly) was. Neither of them was placed in the bottom five before they started being ranked, at the very least. =P

Akainu
June 07, 2009, 05:29 PM
Just a short question, but do you think they are oging to end two sports-manga in a row without replacement? I mean sure there's still Kuroko, but it's still a little risky, no?

Negative Syndicate
June 07, 2009, 05:38 PM
Just a short question, but do you think they are oging to end two sports-manga in a row without replacement? I mean sure there's still Kuroko, but it's still a little risky, no?

No, I don't think Jump is not going to end Kuroko because they are supporting Kuroko for a replacement of Eyeshield21. However, if there is a new sport series come in later, then depends on how new sport series goes, Kuroko then might be going to be in danger zone. For Hoopmen, this series going to be end in matter of time.

◆ T.D.A ◆
June 07, 2009, 05:56 PM
I think Akaboshi will be a hit, so I guess that's bad news for some mangas out there.

Medaka Box is boring stuff.

Rejuvenation
June 07, 2009, 06:11 PM
Or the faster something new will be a hit and push something already established down.

It is a risk worth taking because if Medaka Box and Akaboshi are both hits something established will already be pushed down anyway.

At least the other way provides fodder. Let Jump approve another Basketball manga and watch one of the two series sink all over again. =P

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 06:28 PM
That begs the question, if established series get pushed down and new series become hits, will there be a lock on WSJ? As in no space to add anything new because none of the series there are worthy of being cut.

DeidaraGrimmjow
June 07, 2009, 06:38 PM
It is a risk worth taking because if Medaka Box and Akaboshi are both hits something established will already be pushed down anyway.

At least the other way provides fodder. Let Jump approve another Basketball manga and watch one of the two series sink all over again. =P


How often is it that two series introduced at the same time both become hits? Can't ever recall it happening. If that happens though then it is true that any new series would have the odds stacked against them (unless one of them is potentially Naruto/Bleach status).
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;1389238']That begs the question, if established series get pushed down and new series become hits, will there be a lock on WSJ? As in no space to add anything new because none of the series there are worthy of being cut.


I wish. Psyren, Sket and Mago would obviously be in line for the gallows should something like that occur.

Negative Syndicate
June 07, 2009, 06:40 PM
How often is it that two series introduced at the same time both become hits? Can't ever recall it happening. If that happens though then it is true that any new series would have the odds stacked against them (unless one of them is potentially Naruto/Bleach status).

Actually, Death Note/Gintama, Reborn/D.gray-man, and ToLove-Ru/Mx0 introduced a same time and both become very successful. (except Mx0, which is quite success, but not huge success) So, there are often happens that new series that introduced same time had become success.

Therefore, I highly doubt that both MedakaBox and Akaboshi are high possibilities to become a successful series.

SameOld
June 07, 2009, 06:50 PM
No, I don't think Jump is not going to end Kuroko because they are supporting Kuroko for a replacement of Eyeshield21.

I think by "two series" he meant Eyeshield and Hoop, not Kuroko and Hoop. =P

Koshi_Inaba
June 07, 2009, 07:03 PM
man, TOC ranking is always surprising. It's good to see Mago out of the bottom 5, but sad to see Psyren and Bakuman dropping.
well, Psyren's ranking is always flip flopping, so i'm not surprise and i agree with randal about Bakuman, it's just not as interesting as before they got serialized. well, i just hope with both Psyren and Mago entering one of those big arcs, both will start to rank higher. About akaboshi and kuroko, from a friend of mine who live in Japan and is a regular reader of Jump, he told me that while those two are quite popular, it's not that popular to push mago, beelzebub, psyren or bakuman.

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 07:13 PM
There seemed to be some noise at 2ch about ToLoveRu is simply currently unranked due to the continuing fiasco. I'm not saying that I believe it, but where would that lead us if it is true?

[Cross]
June 07, 2009, 07:18 PM
There seemed to be some noise at 2ch about ToLoveRu is simply currently unranked due to the continuing fiasco. I'm not saying that I believe it, but where would that lead us if it is true?

Continuing Fiasco? You mean the toc or something else.

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 07:23 PM
;1389277']Continuing Fiasco? You mean the toc or something else.

I meant with Yabuki's personal life, his divorce and plan to move, etc. ;)

Negative Syndicate
June 07, 2009, 07:26 PM
I think it is pretty difficult for Sket, Psyren, and Mago to escape from bottom five because One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Gintama, and Reborn are solid series, so they are no going to be in bottome 5. Furthermore, there are lots of new series, since 2008, has become pretty much successful, even two newest series, MedakaBox and Akaboshi, seem to have pretty positive reviews. So in order for Sket, Psyren, and Mago to increase their ranking, older series or other new series has to go on the bottom.

Therefore, I made a conclusion that actually Jump has lots of popular series, low ranked series not going to be cancelled if their volume sells are high.

Tru_TO
June 07, 2009, 07:35 PM
One Piece is gonna be the King of Jump for 15 years.

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 07:41 PM
Therefore, I made a conclusion that actually Jump has lots of popular series, low ranked series not going to be cancelled if their volume sells are high.

Exactly... which is why a while back, I mentioned that WSJ is heading for a equilibrium state... where nothing much is really worthy of getting cut, with everything having good potential and/or good tank sales.

I mean as much as some people kept saying how Mago and ToLoveRu might be next, or that Bakuman is in danger zone... their tank sales is much MUCH higher than that of series from other publishers. The latest quarterly sales of WSJ is at 2,788,164 magazines, but we all know that profit margin from magazines are much lower than tanks. With these all selling 100k~200k per volume, do you think Shueisha would want to give them up just for a few more readers for WSJ?

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 07:54 PM
The magazines are zero profit, no? They're made cheap and sold cheap. Their primary purpose is to drive tankobon sales, especially as magazine sales continue to slide (Jump being an exception).

M-Hario
June 07, 2009, 09:40 PM
I'm worried for Mago... I really hope that notice is fake

About the b5... I don't understand Psyren's situation: one week in good position and now is in b5 again...

kewl0210
June 07, 2009, 10:25 PM
It was fake. It said Hoopmen would end next issue, and the preview doens't mention it. So forget it.
It's unolikely HXH would take to issue 45, too. That isn't till October or so...

Negative Syndicate
June 07, 2009, 10:45 PM
It was fake. It said Hoopmen would end next issue, and the preview doens't mention it. So forget it.
It's unolikely HXH would take to issue 45, too. That isn't till October or so...

Actually, the rumor said that Hoopmen going to be end at issue 31. So we still have 2 weeks to know whether Hoopmen will end or not. But, I also think (and hope) the rumor is fake.

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 10:48 PM
I'm worried for Mago... I really hope that notice is fake

About the b5... I don't understand Psyren's situation: one week in good position and now is in b5 again...

Mago is consistantly low because it's an action series. Jump is dominated by established action series, making votes for noobs hard to come by. Unlike Psyren, Mago sells well. Volume 3 and 4 sold around 200,000 copies each. As Finestela said, this is an unusually high number; it would be the most popular series in many, many anthologies. With the fifth volume just out it has room to grow. Bakuman and To Love Ru (and maybe D. Gray Man) have polling issues as they both are aimed more at high school age readers, a demographic that doesn't necessarily buyWeekly Jump but will go out and buy Jump Comic tankobon.

Psyren is low because it's not that popular =p It rarely yo - yo's, generally staying in the bottom ten.

Have no doubt, Hoop Men will end in June. Doesn't matter what issue.

Siberia
June 07, 2009, 11:03 PM
has anyone ever read Hoopmen? seems heaps of people think it will be out next

Finestela
June 07, 2009, 11:20 PM
There's nothing to worry, it's not even in the bottom 5 for the upcoming issue.
It's already completely ignored over there at 2ch, so I don't really see any point for us to obsess over it any longer.

Mago is fine.

[hr]


I agree with the view regarding action series in WSJ.

Remember, you can only pick three out of 25 (I think... not 100% sure about the current list...) choices on the reader's response form. For your average school children, it's likely for them to pick at least OP or Naruto (or both), and then maybe one out of the Toriko/Bleach/Reborn pool. Where does that leave us with Psyren and Mago? One or even zero spot.

Therefore, it's pretty normal for Mago and Psyren to be fluid on the ToC, simply because the "action votes" are already preoccupied.

Kaiten
June 07, 2009, 11:38 PM
has anyone ever read Hoopmen? seems heaps of people think it will be out next

It's actually a decent series. It's just that every ranked chapter has been in last place, so there's been no point in reading it.

Sexy Randal 105
June 07, 2009, 11:52 PM
I think there is still hope for Mago. There were multiple rumors of Psyren ending long ago but it's still here. I bet Psyren will jump up. The most current issue was very very interesting and set it up for more conventional shonen battles.

Rejuvenation
June 08, 2009, 12:09 AM
There's nothing to worry, it's not even in the bottom 5 for the upcoming issue.
It's already completely ignored over there at 2ch, so I don't really see any point for us to obsess over it any longer.

Mago is fine.

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I agree with the view regarding action series in WSJ.

Remember, you can only pick three out of 25 (I think... not 100% sure about the current list...) choices on the reader's response form. For your average school children, it's likely for them to pick at least OP or Naruto (or both), and then maybe one out of the Toriko/Bleach/Reborn pool. Where does that leave us with Psyren and Mago? One or even zero spot.

Therefore, it's pretty normal for Mago and Psyren to be fluid on the ToC, simply because the "action votes" are already preoccupied.

This point is mainly why I really want to see how Akaboshi ranks. If it ranks extremely low the only thing left for it would be Tank sales to try to offset that ranking.

An action series almost always has it tougher if there are juggernauts like OP and Naruto always at the top and a strong 2nd tier following them.

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 12:34 AM
This point is mainly why I really want to see how Akaboshi ranks. If it ranks extremely low the only thing left for it would be Tank sales to try to offset that ranking.

An action series almost always has it tougher if there are juggernauts like OP and Naruto always at the top and a strong 2nd tier following them.

Keep in mind Mago and Psyren ranked really well for (something like) three straight months, always between 6 and 10. They crashed after that. If Akaboshi can do that it will last long enough to be judged by tank sales. Otherwise......

Koshi_Inaba
June 08, 2009, 05:42 AM
how often does jump hold a serialization meeting, once a month? once a week? or what?

VASSiLi
June 08, 2009, 02:24 PM
Bakuman in the bottom 5.. So bad..

kewl0210
June 08, 2009, 03:13 PM
They have those serialization meetings only a couple times a year I think. But this year a lotta stuff's ending so maybe it's more than usual.

I didn't notice at first it was skipping some weeks so it'll be a few till we know if it was real or not.

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 04:42 PM
Is their any plan for popular character poll for Mago? Psyren got their poll when they got this 1st year anniversary. Then, why not Mago, it sold more volumes than Psyren and it already passed 1 year. I'm started to worry about Mago because if Mago have a character poll, it means that Mago is safe for at least one more year. (I think)

Koen
June 08, 2009, 05:34 PM
Somehow I get this feeling one of the two (bakuman or psyren) is sacrificed for a es21's last and highest position ever. Anyway no worries about the two, it's been a while (for bakuman it's been the first time) for the to be in the bottom 5. Let's wait and see

[Cross]
June 08, 2009, 06:01 PM
Psyren is ok, as it is known for it's yo-yo properties, but Bakuman isn't so much, considering that the ranking before the colour page showed signs of dropping, so this only supports the trend. I guess the next ranking will either prove or crush any worries considering this trend.

Rejuvenation
June 08, 2009, 06:45 PM
Well if Bakuman does start to plummet ranking wise there is still its sales to consider. Unless those take a hit too it might just be another safe basement dweller like To Love Ru.

predsfan
June 08, 2009, 07:40 PM
Aside from Hoopmen being last as per the usual, I like this bottom 5 much more than the recent ones. The only series I care about in the bottom 5 is Hoopmen, but I've already come to terms with the invevitatable cancellation.

Oh, and One Piece color and cover next issue, what could be better (well, aside from that rumor of Mago being cancelled being 100% false).

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 08:16 PM
;1390870']Psyren is ok, as it is known for it's yo-yo properties, but Bakuman isn't so much, considering that the ranking before the colour page showed signs of dropping, so this only supports the trend. I guess the next ranking will either prove or crush any worries considering this trend.

Bakuman already outsells To Love Ru and Eyeshield. There's nothing to worry about for any reason. Really, no series is on the block now with Eyeshield ending and Hoop presumably to follow soon. Next round of cuts won't be till late August, early September.

Sexy Randal 105
June 08, 2009, 08:20 PM
Bakuman will bounce back up. All series are doing a lot of jumping now. Way too many hits and mid-tier new series all at once. It screws up the equilibrium.

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 08:31 PM
I think for a while their going to be two new series a time, not three new series, because every series in Jump is damn realy good. I think next two new series are high possibility to be cushion for the current series.

Sexy Randal 105
June 08, 2009, 08:51 PM
I look forward to when we start seeing series like Sket Dance, Psyren, Toriko, etc. getting animes. It'll be like seeing our little babies all grown up. Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?

Koshi_Inaba
June 08, 2009, 08:55 PM
As kaiten said no need to worry about bakuman, it's selling very highly, and the only new manga That rival it's sales is mago and toriko(maybe)

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 09:09 PM
Does anybody know whether Bakuman's tankouban sold over 1,000,000 copies or not?

Finestela
June 08, 2009, 09:17 PM
Does anybody know whether Bakuman's tankouban sold over 1,000,000 copies or not?

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask... the total or per volume?
Currently, Bakuman is in the 350k+ per volume range, so the answer is no for the the per volume sales.

However, since it is in the 350k+ range, then yes, it's very likely for it to break the 1 million total copy sales mark with volume 3.

P.S. the 350k per volume figure is from Oricon.. meaning the actual sales could be higher, since Oricon doesn't include ALL the bookstores in Japan. It's used because it's one of the most accurate figure and detailed tracking data we have.


As kaiten said no need to worry about bakuman, it's selling very highly, and the only new manga That rival it's sales is mago and toriko(maybe)

Mago and Toriko are excpetional at the moment, but still not on par with Bakuman in sales.

Mago is in the 100k+ per volume range, while Toriko is 150k+.
Bakuman is currently at 350k+ per volume as of volume 2, meaning Bakuman sells more than Mago and Toriko combine ;)

M-Hario
June 08, 2009, 09:22 PM
Bakuman's big sells is the big reason to don't worry for it.

Even If one week is in b5, probably next week it'll be in the middle of the ToC or in better position.

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 09:32 PM
Does anyone know that is there any plan for Mago's popular character poll? It's been over 1 year, but there is no news for character poll, unlike Psyren. I'm starting to worry about Mago because if Mago have a character poll, that means mago will safe for about another year. But if there is no news about character poll.............I don't want to think about it.

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 09:40 PM
Remember, Bakuman has Obata's name behind it. His involvement boosted interest in volume 1, and unlike Ral Grad, Bakuman is so good the initial buzz was sustained and built on.


I look forward to when we start seeing series like Sket Dance, Psyren, Toriko, etc. getting animes. It'll be like seeing our little babies all grown up. Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?

Sket is getting a drama CD. Pretty rare for one of those not to lead to an anime. I'd be shocked, if it didn't debut in October. 24 episodes and late night, of course.

Finestela
June 08, 2009, 09:46 PM
Does anyone know that is there any plan for Mago's popular character poll? It's been over 1 year, but there is no news for character poll, unlike Psyren. I'm starting to worry about Mago because if Mago have a character poll, that means mago will safe for about another year. But if there is no news about character poll.............I don't want to think about it.

Not really... character poll are not an indication whether it'll last another year or not. Case in point, Taizo and Yuushagaku.

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 10:19 PM
Compare to Magazine and Sunday, Jump doesn't have lots of sport series. Eyeshield21 is going to end in next issue, Hoopmen looks going to cnacel in matter of times, and it's not sure whether Kuroko can be successful as Tennis no Oujisama or Eyeshield21. Is it just Magazine and SUnday has too many sport series or just Jump has too little sport series? Is it little difficult for sport manga to be hit in Jump as compare to mainstream battle manga?

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 10:27 PM
It's hard to say but it would appear Jump readers just don't like sports :/

Rejuvenation
June 08, 2009, 10:27 PM
Magazine has more sports series than Sunday or Jump if I remember right so its more like the king in that area. Jump just has too little sports series in comparison after next issue.

It will only be one in Kuroko...which isn't on the level of Eyeshield or Prince of Tennis were yet. I'm actually not sure if it will ever be THAT good. Plus, Jump is doing a lot to try and support it so that gives it a boost above other series.

Koshi_Inaba
June 08, 2009, 10:38 PM
At this point, kuroko won't reach POT or es 21 level. It's better than hoop men but not by a large margin

Negative Syndicate
June 08, 2009, 11:01 PM
Magazine has seven sport series (boxing, basketball, soccer, two baseball, badminton, and tennis) and Sunday has four sport series (three baseball and golf). It is sad to see that Kuroko has to compete with these sport series, especially with Ahiru no Sora (both are about basketball).

Jump has above their sales compare to Magazine and Sunday, but for now, Jump will never beat Magazine against sport series, not even Sunday.

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 11:06 PM
While both are called shonen, Jump and Magazine have completely different audiences. They barely qualify as direct competitors. Most of Jump's audience, about 85 %, is between 9 and 17. About 80% of Magazines readers are 20 or older. Kuroko and Ahiru (a much, much better series) will never have to compete for readers.

DeidaraGrimmjow
June 08, 2009, 11:15 PM
I may be a little bias but Jump does not really have to worry about its sports "problem." Sure they may not have many, but when they do they turn out to be PoT, Slam Dunk, and Eyeshield. Probably the most popular series in their respective sports of all time (I don't think Eyeshield has any competition) so I guess Jump inherently goes for quality rather than quantity...


A little off topic, but how do monthly series like Jump SQ determine a series popularity? Is is based off of volume sales or fan letters or something?

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 11:21 PM
A little off topic, but how do monthly series like Jump SQ determine a series popularity? Is is based off of volume sales or fan letters or something?

From what I understand, and I could be wrong, it's the same criteria. Fan response via the post cards and tankobon sales. Jump is the only magazine that cancels so quickly and adds so many new series. It's circulation is also much, much higher then most magazines; so what constitutes a hit is a much different thing.

The only anthologies I've ever heard of that don't care that much about fan response are the 1st Day magazines.

[Cross]
June 08, 2009, 11:37 PM
From what I understand, and I could be wrong, it's the same criteria. Fan response via the post cards and tankobon sales. Jump is the only magazine that cancels so quickly and adds so many new series. It's circulation is also much, much higher then most magazines; so what constitutes a hit is a much different thing.

The only anthologies I've ever heard of that don't care that much about fan response are the 1st Day magazines.

So are you implying that Jump has higher standards?

Kaiten
June 08, 2009, 11:57 PM
;1391199']So are you implying that Jump has higher standards?

Depends on how you define higher standards ;) Higher business standards, not quality control.

Basically Jump sells about 2.78 million magazines a week. Shonen Magazine is second with 1.9 million in circulation. Magazine, like every other anthology, sees it's circulation shrink every quarter. Jump sees a minor increase. Every magazine wants to see tankobon sales reflect a certain percentage of circulation. Thus To Love Ru, at about 500,000 copies per volume, sells about 18% of readers. That's phenomenal, having (almost) 2 out of every 10 readers purchasing volumes of a series is what every magazine dreams of. The equivilent in Magazine would be Fairy Tail, their most popular series. ToRa, on the other hand is the middle of the pack in Jump. If a mid level series is that popular it allows the bottom to become expendable. Series that don't immediately connect with readers, showing little potential for individual sales, can be scrapped before tankobon come out without any harm to the bottom line. And room can be opened for a series like Mago; something by an unknown artist that makes a quick connection with it's audience. Mago is selling to nearly 10% of Jump's circulation, and could surpass that later this year. Mago already outsells all but the most popular series in Magazine, the second most popular anthology.

DeidaraGrimmjow
June 09, 2009, 12:15 AM
Now that I think about it, Jump does seem to have higher expectations for it's series. I'm sure most other magazines would kill for a new series currently 6 volumes long to sell 50,000 copies (Psyren). But it's hanging on by a thread in Jump because of stuff like Bakuman, Toriko and Mago. When you can get new series that sell this much, why keep a manga that sells barely one-third as much and has almost twice as many volumes?

Koshi_Inaba
June 09, 2009, 02:11 AM
if mago, toriko or bakuman was serialized in magazine instead of jump, those three will easily destroy competition with only fairy tail as a competitor and even fairy tail tank's sales is not that high either. It average between 250k per volume.Only a bit higher than mago or toriko and lower than bakuman

Kaiten
June 09, 2009, 03:00 AM
if mago, toriko or bakuman was serialized in magazine instead of jump, those three will easily destroy competition with only fairy tail as a competitor and even fairy tail tank's sales is not that high either. It average between 250k per volume.Only a bit higher than mago or toriko and lower than bakuman

No, Fairy Tail is more popular. 250,000 sounds like 2 weeks of sales. Think closer to 400 - 500,000.

Koshi_Inaba
June 09, 2009, 03:32 AM
Thx for correcting me, kaiten. I forgot that those sales are of the early volumes. The correct one for the more recent are just like you said, around 400-500k. And by early, I mean around the first three volume

Tru_TO
June 09, 2009, 05:04 AM
do you think any of the big three manga can go for another 15 years?

Siberia
June 09, 2009, 05:23 AM
do you think any of the big three manga can go for another 15 years?

I doubt if they can still be big three for another 15 yrs, its way too long ....

Tru_TO
June 09, 2009, 05:26 AM
I doubt if they can still be big three for another 15 yrs, its way too long ....

i meant can any of the manga in it? I can see OP going for another 15-20

Siberia
June 09, 2009, 05:32 AM
i meant can any of the manga in it? I can see OP going for another 15-20

OP should be fine, but not sure about Naruto and Bleach. (I have heard Bleach is getting worse, no ideas of it becoz I have given it up for ages.....)

Koshi_Inaba
June 09, 2009, 05:44 AM
One Piece and Naruto maybe, Bleach no. I just don't see it as a series that can still be interesting when it surpass 45-50 volume.

Finestela
June 09, 2009, 05:47 AM
I'm not sure where the 400~500k figure is from for Fairy Tail... but the most current (and highest number) I can find is 344k at week 4 for FT Vol. 14 on Oricon. It didn't break 300k as late as Vol. 11.

Sexy Randal 105
June 09, 2009, 09:49 AM
Who can last longer? Kochikame or OP!?

Finestela
June 09, 2009, 10:02 AM
Who can last longer? Kochikame or OP!?

If I must pick one, I would put my money on Kochikame... :p

StrangerAtaru
June 09, 2009, 10:15 AM
OP is half over.

KochiKame ends when they pry the pen from Akimoto's dead body.

GARusashi
June 09, 2009, 10:43 AM
Oh god, OP is not half over. Oda said OP was half over 100 chapters ago. He'll probably say it again into the Marineford arc, and into the Fishman Island arc, and into the first island in the New World. "THIS NEW SAGA MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE MIDDLE OF THE END OF MY SERIES"

The New World could easily be gigantic. I could see the New World lasting three times as long as the Grand Line has. There's so many things to be touched upon, and Oda definitely hasn't forgotten the random island formula from the Grand Line. And with the Shichibukai pretty much torn apart, I could see another group of villains brought up in the New World as well. Well I guess Doflamingo is still around, but the rest of the Shichibukai are pretty much useless as antagonists now.

But my bets on Kochikame lasting until the day JUMP goes off the shelves.

[Cross]
June 09, 2009, 11:08 AM
But my bets on Kochikame lasting until the day JUMP goes off the shelves.

It'll just move to another magazine. Like Ataru said, Kochikame will die with Akimoto.

kim09
June 09, 2009, 12:30 PM
I dropped Kuroko after chapter 20,it's heading to generic approach of sports genre. :bored I like sports that go beyond the sports itself like REAL or Hoop Men.After Eyeshield 21 ends and -_-; Hoop Men get cancelled ,there'll be no sports manga that I read in WSJ unless there will be new sports series. :nuts

Aikyet
June 09, 2009, 01:39 PM
As of now, Kuroko no Basket doesn't qualify as a worthy Eyeshield21 successor. ES has characters (we won't see another Hiruma anytime soon), style and good pacing, for the most part of it. While Kuroko just doesn't strike you as a big Jump sports manga like ES21 or SlamDunk, even with all Jump attempts.

SameOld
June 09, 2009, 04:29 PM
It's too early to tell. If anything, this match against Seihou was much more enjoyable to me than Eyeshield's first few matches. The only things Kuroko needs now are focusing more on the rest of Seirin's team instead of only Kuroko and Kagami and making the matches last longer. Then it'll estabilish itself as a worthy sucessor to ES21 IMO.

...by the way, I think I may have acidentally clicked the report button of your post, aikyet. Sorry if it causes you any trouble. Why must the reply and report buttons be so close to each other? >_<

Rejuvenation
June 09, 2009, 04:31 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that Kuroko overall has been unimpressive. There isn't any big attachment to the characters present like there was for Jump's other major sport series. There are like 2 characters that interest me and even then, its only slightly.

The actual games aren't as exciting as PoT's matches or ES21's either. I feel like Kuroko wouldn't last that long on its own without Jump supporting it atm. Unless something big comes up soon.

Maxy Barnard
June 09, 2009, 04:39 PM
it's tragic that Kuroko got accepted when it's basically junk but Meister and Hoop Men got rejected quite heavily by WSJ readers

[Cross]
June 09, 2009, 04:43 PM
Well...I felt Meister was a bit rushed, though I still liked it better than Kuroko. But I agree with Hoop Men, I guess I just found it more appealing.

predsfan
June 09, 2009, 07:31 PM
Add one more who prefers Hoop Men over Kuroko. I think I may have dropped Kuroko w/o realizing it ;). I guess Hoop Men's only hope now is that it remains long enough for the first volume to come out (which I doubt) and said first volume magically sells like one piece (which is most improbable :p). But hey a man can dream.

Negative Syndicate
June 09, 2009, 08:14 PM
I really enjoy reading Kuroko, however I have two things concern this series. First, chapters for game is too short. When Seirin fought with Seihou, it only took five chapters to finish the game, it was even shorter when they fought against Kaijou. I think it is too short for fighting against the team which is one of top three teams in Tokyo. I think that's why I don't have any impact that Seihou is really strong team. Secondly, there is no cool character on the opposite side. From Slam Dunk, PoT, and Eyeshield, there are lots of cool characters on opposite team. However, Kuroko really doesn't any cool rivals. I think the author put too much focus Generation of Miracles, compare to other series. I think characters from other team should have more character development, like Iwamura and Kasuga (both from Seihou).

In conclusion, I think Seirin against Shuutoku is most important part for this series for judging whether Kuroko can be next successful sport series or not.

Jabberwocky
June 10, 2009, 12:23 AM
The preview of issue 29 @ http://www.shonenjump.com/e/weeklyshonenjump/next.html




Toriko (First pages in color!)
Eyeshield 21(Climax, Center title pages in color!!)

NARUTO 
ONE PIECE 
BEELZEBUB 
Bakuman 
Inumarudashi 
Pyu to fuku! Jaguar 
Medaka Box 
Kuroko's Basket ball 
Hoopmen 
BLEACH 
SKET DANCE 
Nurarihyon no mago 
Gintama 
Reborn! 
Kochikame 
PSYREN 
AKABOSHI 
To LOVE ru 

Anything look wrong with this TOC? *Hoopman and AKABOSHI...switched places.* also how did Bleach end up that low?

Kaiten
June 10, 2009, 12:27 AM
Not the TOC >.<

If Jaguar is not last assume it is not the TOC nor does it resemble the TOC.

Koshi_Inaba
June 10, 2009, 12:35 AM
Man, this is one those wtf moment. As glad as I am that mago finally start to recover, but why the fuck is hoop men doing higher than psyren.and what is up with gintama, reborn and bleach being so low

kewl0210
June 10, 2009, 12:42 AM
Are we SERIOUSLY going to have to go through this every week? That is not the TOC. It's just WHAT'S IN the magazine, written in no particular order. It was the same last week, it sticks the color pages first, then other stuff in a random order. (Also note that the color pages are always NOT the first three.)

Jabberwocky
June 10, 2009, 12:43 AM
Are we SERIOUSLY going to have to go through this every week? That is not the TOC. It's just WHAT'S IN the magazine, written in no particular order. It was the same last week, it sticks the color pages first, then other stuff in a random order.
Oh..Thanks for the reminder! :darn

Kaiten
June 10, 2009, 01:57 AM
The real TOC, Issue 29

Toriko (cover, color)
Naruto
One Piece
Bleach
Beelzebub
Inumarudashi
Medaka Box
Kuromitsu - sama Mairu! (one shot, color)
Reborn
Akaboshi
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Mago
Eyeshield 21 (color, extra pages, end)
Gintama
Kochikame
Bakuman
Psyren
To Love Ru
Hoop Men
Jaguar

Between one shots, new series, and final chapters there are lots and lots of unranked series this week. They happen to be the series with bold text. Sad to see Eyeshield come to such an inglorious end. Despite the world tournament it was a great series, deserving of one last cover. Even though it's technically not ranked, I'm glad to see the editors are placing Medaka so high. It's a really fun series, I really want it to last a little while.

Kuuki
June 10, 2009, 02:29 AM
Omg Gintama at number 10. I guess the Jiraia arc is not popular among fans? But I really like it though Dx

And it's kinda surprising to see Bakuman being so low. But good to see Mago escaping bottom 5.

Also, sad to see ES21 ending. Big thanks to Inagaki-sensei and Murata-sensei for bringing us this awesome serie!

predsfan
June 10, 2009, 02:40 AM
Wow, ES21's getting a better send off then PoT is I remember. Color and extra pages huh.

Koshi_Inaba
June 10, 2009, 02:45 AM
Well, if mago,akaboshi, or medaka keep rising or at least stay at their current position, I don't think we need to worry.

kewl0210
June 10, 2009, 02:53 AM
I still don't get how Inumaru Dash gets into the top five... I'm gonna try to maybe translate the series quickly and catch up and see if there are really things that good. I know I've seen some really good crazy stuff later on, maybe...

Rerst ios pretty normal, really. I haven't read Medaka but people say it's not great? Akaboshi is pretty good. These ranks don't really mean much anyway in terms of if they'll survive. Once Eyeshield is gone we'll see what takes its place... Bakuman being low is odd, I think the story's still great. But maybe it's just top heavy or whatever. Psyren, too. Though that I'd only put in the middle.

And Toriko getting back to number one I'm happy about, I dunno how it got so low those two (nonconsecutive) weeks, but that happens I guess.

Plus Beelzebub does exceptionally well. But we'll see if it can keep that up past its initial arc.

Akiyama
June 10, 2009, 02:56 AM
Was Bakuman ranked since it had colored pages? I'm not surprised to see so low because it wasn't the best chapter but the story was still moving along. Looks like the three new comers are doing well and i hope they stay.

Kaiten
June 10, 2009, 03:01 AM
Wow, ES21's getting a better send off then PoT is I remember. Color and extra pages huh.

Nah. PoT got the cover and color for it's third to last chapter and more color for it's last.

Rejuvenation
June 10, 2009, 03:31 AM
The real TOC, Issue 29

Toriko (cover, color)
Naruto
One Piece
Bleach
Beelzebub
Inumarudashi
Medaka Box
Kuromitsu - sama Mairu! (one shot, color)
Reborn
Akaboshi
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Mago
Eyeshield 21 (color, extra pages, end)
Gintama
Kochikame
Bakuman
Psyren
To Love Ru
Hoop Men
Jaguar

Between one shots, new series, and final chapters there are lots and lots of unranked series this week. They happen to be the series with bold text. Sad to see Eyeshield come to such an inglorious end. Despite the world tournament it was a great series, deserving of one last cover. Even though it's technically not ranked, I'm glad to see the editors are placing Medaka so high. It's a really fun series, I really want it to last a little while.

Agreed on the last part. I really enjoy Medaka Box. Akaboshi, not so much but I give most series a volume's worth of chapters to impress me.

I've personally felt that Bakuman has some more hit and miss chapters as of late so the yo-yo effect it has going on doesn't surprise me. Not that its ToC ranking alone will kill it or anything.

Good to see Sket rise pretty high. The Happy Birthday chapters are deserving of that much. Mago in the middle of the mag is good to see. The latest chapters with the onmyouji have been good.

Beelzebub and Inumaru in the top 5. I'm really curious about the latter now for it to be doing so well. Reborn just barely missing that ranking.

Now I wave goodbye to Eyeshield. The majority of the series was pretty epic and it will be missed.

kim09
June 10, 2009, 03:35 AM
I still don't get how Inumaru Dash gets into the top five... I'm gonna try to maybe translate the series quickly and catch up and see if there are really things that good. I know I've seen some really good crazy stuff later on, maybe...


Yeah kewl0210!!! :yourock You can do it!!

Finestela
June 10, 2009, 05:17 AM
hmm... Is the snap poll for Medaka and Akaboshi really that high?! I mean their pre-8th week placement so far is fairly high compare to other new series over the years...