Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Rejuvenation]

I don't wish to sound like a troll, but whats with naruto's consistent high rankings?
Admittedly its a good manga, but not enough to dominate the polls.

Loyal supporters regardless of what happens in the story apparently. It just has THAT many people to back it really.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Do you we early spoilers this week, because the next issue comes out on Saturday instead of Monday?

[Negative Syndicate]

By looking the fall of Akaboshi, I'm afraid that Kagijin going to fall like Akaboshi. Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.

[Sexy Randal 105]

I have a feeling this year will be like 2007. Barely anything is good enough to survive.

[Drmke]

By looking the fall of Akaboshi, I'm afraid that Kagijin going to fall like Akaboshi. Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.

I wouldn't say Kagijin is gonna fall yet. I mean it just started, there is no way to tell yet. And Akaboshi came in at a bad time. The magazine is flooded with action manga and it wasn't original enough to stand out.


Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.

What do you mean?

Do you mean the first set (Meister, Bokke, and Kuroko or Beelzebub and Hoopmen)? Or like the first series in the new set? Like in Medaka and Akaboshi, Medaka makes it and Akaboshi fails.

[Estranho]

The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...

[eni]

I like my eternal series, so I see no problem in getting only a handful of new ones from time to time >.>

[Kaiten]

The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...

There will never be space for 5 or 6 new series. In the last decade there has been one year where five new series lasted more then a year, 2004. Death Note, Gintama, Reborn, D. Gray Man, and Muhyo to Rojii started that year. 2004 was a huge exception; an inordinate number of established series ended in 2003 while only one series to start that year lasted until the end of 2004 (Buso Renkin btw). Four series from 2008 have lasted, or will soon reach, a year: Psyren, Mago, Toriko, and Bakuman. 2007's Sket Dance has now lasted two years. The class of 2004's success meant fewer series debuted between 2005 and 2007. The success of 2008 has meant fewer debuts this year and fewer cancellations.

[Rejuvenation]

The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...

"Eternal" only really fits Kochikame, Jaguar, and HunterXHunter. The latter of which is out of the magazine more often than in it. Ok, if you wanted to make a case for One Piece I'd give you that too.

But as for all the successes from 2004 and the recent successes, well WSJ could either respond to it with bringing in fewer series or making it so the magazine holds more. Both of which are unlikely I think.

Granted Shounen Magazine has around 25 last I checked in comparison to WSJ's 18-20 but a few of those often take more breaks too.

[Kaiten]

Last year was an exception, fewer series debuted in 2005, 2006, and 2007. So far 2009 has had fewer as well.

Not sure why anyone would want more debuts. That means more cancellations :/ Won't be Naruto and Bleach getting canceled either.

[Drmke]

Last year was an exception, fewer series debuted in 2005, 2006, and 2007. So far 2009 has had fewer as well.

Not sure why anyone would want more debuts. That means more cancellations :/ Won't be Naruto and Bleach getting canceled either.

Yeah it would be nice if Jump would just go "You know, maybe if we quit canceling so much stuff, we might end up with more hits."

But they will just keep canceling series that might have a chance of developing a cult following or even a major following if given time to fester. lol

[Negative Syndicate]

What do you mean?

Do you mean the first set (Meister, Bokke, and Kuroko or Beelzebub and Hoopmen)? Or like the first series in the new set? Like in Medaka and Akaboshi, Medaka makes it and Akaboshi fails.

I mean first series in the new set, like Beelzebub and Hoopmen, and Medaka and Akaboshi (Beelzebub and Medaka survived, and Hoopmen and Akaboshi are not).

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Adding less new stuff and cancelling less really would be a lot better.

Works for Sunday most of the time.

Edit: Also, as far as I recall Psyren and Mago were the first of their batches. I think Sket Dance came after Belmonde though.

[Drmke]

I mean first series in the new set, like Beelzebub and Hoopmen, and Medaka and Akaboshi (Beelzebub and Medaka survived, and Hoopmen and Akaboshi are not).

I think that's just a coincidence. Kuroko was the second in its group, and its the only one left now.

[Kaiten]

Adding less new stuff and cancelling less really would be a lot better.

Works for Sunday most of the time.

Edit: Also, as far as I recall Psyren and Mago were the first of their batches. I think Sket Dance came after Belmonde though.

Meister was the first of it's batch, it lasted a whole 10 chapters.

Sunday is hemorrhaging readers. Nothing they do works.

[Negative Syndicate]

Naruto, Reborn, Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub, and MedakaBox are the examples for first series in the new set for currently ongoing series. Also, Rookies, Shaman King, Black Cat, Mr. Fullswing, Eyeshield 21, and Death Note are also good example. Like Bakuman said, first series in new line-up are which Jump editors' expectation series.

[StrangerAtaru]

There's no such thing as a natural ending in wsj. Let's say PoT wasn't axed but it had - what felt like - an unnatural ending

There are natural endings but it's few and far between that it feels natural enough. DB for the most part got to it's "ending" regardless of Toriyama's bitching and screaming forcing the series to go beyond it's lifespan. Kinnikuman also got to it's finale with no real problem. And meanwhile there are certain series whose "style" seems to allow for a natural ending regardless of whether it ends by author decision or low polling. (Nube is the best example of that)

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Meister was the first of it's batch, it lasted a whole 10 chapters.

Sunday is hemorrhaging readers. Nothing they do works.

Was talking more general quality of the comics, but fair point. That's probably a lot more applicable to what's being discussed.

[Drmke]

Naruto, Reborn, Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub, and MedakaBox are the examples for first series in the new set for currently ongoing series. Also, Rookies, Shaman King, Black Cat, Mr. Fullswing, Eyeshield 21, and Death Note are also good example. Like Bakuman said, first series in new line-up are which Jump editors' expectation series.

Yeah but I think it was said here that Gintama was in the set of new series with Death Note and I assume its sold more than Death Note cause its been going so much longer.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Death Note sold around 24 million and Gintama around 22 million. That's the number on 2008, I don't know if it has increased.

[Kaiten]

2004: Death note was issue 1, Gintama issue 2. Reborn issue 26, D. Gray Man issue 27.

2005: Yuuto issue 11, Neuro issue 12. Beshari Gurashi is the only series to debut in 2005 that is still serialized, but was moved to Weekly Young Jump after less then a year.

2006: Mx0 was not part of a set, lasted two years. ToRa was not part of a set, still serialized.

2007: Belmonde le Visiteur (sic) issue 32, Sket Dance issue 33

2008: Chagecha debuts before Asklepios. Chagecha ends first

2009: Meister issue 1, Kuroko no Basket issue 2, Bokke - san issue 3. Mesiter ends first.

Completely arbitrary. Being the first of a set is at best a minor help.

[Negative Syndicate]

2006: Mx0 was not part of a set, lasted two years. ToRa was not part of a set, still serialized.


Actually, Mx0 and ToRa were part of a set.
Issue 20: Nazo no Murasame-kun
Issue 21・22: To Love-Ru
Issue 23: Mx0

[Kaiten]

Actually, Mx0 and ToRa were part of a set.
Issue 20: Nazo no Murasame-kun
Issue 21・22: To Love-Ru
Issue 23: Mx0

So, the first series in the set was canceled while number two and three survived?

[Finestela]

I thought the "first of a batch = editor's favorite" is referring to Golden Future... not incoming new series...
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ToC By Himajin of 2ch





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34号

トリコ（巻頭）
わんぴ
ぬるぽ（表紙）
わじま二ア（表紙）
あねどき
バクマン
ぬるり
こち亀
鍵人（センタ）
サイレン
スケット
鰤
べるｚ
めだか
犬丸
金玉
りぼん（センタ）
黒子
とらぶる
赤星
ジャガー




2009-34

Toriko (Lead CP)
One Piece
Naruto (Cover)
Wajima (Cover)
Anedoki
Bakuman
Mago
Kochi Kame
Kagijin (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bleach
Beelze
Medaka
Inumaru
Gintama
Reborn (CP)
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Akaboshi
Jaguar

[Dofla]

Golden Future Entries :

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[fxu]

Psyren #5? :O

8 chapters ago... mmmm... the story of what happened to Matsuri, the entrance of young grana and shiner, and the 180 attitude flip of Van.

Good chapter. Deserves it.

[Drmke]

Wow so does that mean Bakuman is second?

And Inumaru is the lowest its been in forever. (not that I really care)

Bleach appears lower than it actually is. (sneaky bastard)

So Wajima does get on the cover even if it has to shard with Naruto.

But best news is Psyren!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pandaaqueen]

Bleach trails behind :lmao Also, Beelze's position is kinda meh as well.

[Finestela]

But with Naruto getting Lead CP next issue... could it get two covers in a roll!? (Though this issue's cover is shared).

[Koshi_Inaba]

They should call the TOC "The rise of Mago and Psyren from the basement of hell"
BTW, on the scan from the golden future cup it said something about Mago, Beelze, Akaboshi and Inumaru. Can someone translate it?

[Drmke]

But with Naruto getting Lead CP next issue... could it get two covers in a roll!? (Though this issue's cover is shared).

So does that make Naruto unranked this week?

[Kaiten]

Wouldn't surprise me if Naruto gets it's cover swiped next week. Unless the ten year anniversary is coming up.

When Naruto is in first or second may as well consider it ranked weather it's on the cover or not. Did getting "placed" really effect it's rank this week :p

Nice seeing Psyren, Mago, and Sket above Bleach. Real nice, especially seeing the Psyren and Mago in the top five! Beelze could be higher.

[Rejuvenation]

I thought the "first of a batch = editor's favorite" is referring to Golden Future... not incoming new series...
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ToC By Himajin of 2ch




2009-34

Toriko (Lead CP)
One Piece
Naruto (Cover)
Wajima (Cover)
Anedoki
Bakuman
Mago
Kochi Kame
Kagijin (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bleach
Beelze
Medaka
Inumaru
Gintama
Reborn (CP)
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Akaboshi
Jaguar

There is a lot of unranked spots in this one.

Bakuman rises up to number 2 after being in the basement last week. It and Gintama keep swapping with each other.

I'm surprised Inumaru dropped so low after being high for so many weeks. Also surprised about Kochikame being so high this time around as well.

Mago, Psyren, and Sket Dance surprise me being at numbers 3, 4, and 5 respectively. Way to rise lately after being in the basement for months on end. XD

Bleach is once again out of the top 5. Now if only its sales would decline along with its ranking lately. >.>

Beelzebub at #7 isn't too bad and hurray for Medaka rising to a better spot at #8 granted it is technically just out of the bottom 5 this time around since Reborn has color.

Overall, I can't complain. Next week there won't be as much color but the new series will still be unranked. I really want for all of them to start ranking before WSJ decides to axe anything. It should be interesting to see how things play out.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Reborn's color really bugged me, has there ever been a series with CP but got put on the bottom?

[Heiji-sama]

#35 (27/07) :
Shibata Yuusaku / Meiji Hyakkiya Kôtan Dengi (Page Couleur)

#36 (03/08) :
Kei Inayoshii & Kobayashi Tsutomu / Crown! (Page Couleur)

#37-38 (10/08) :
Andô Ei / North Island (Page Couleur)

#39 (21/08) :
Neda Hirofumi / Yonaoshi Densetsu!! (Page Couleur)

#40 (28/08) :
Mizuno Teruaki / Metalica Metalica (Page Couleur)

[VASSiLi]

2009-34

One Piece
Anedoki
Bakuman
Mago
Kochi Kame
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bleach
Beelze
Medaka
Inumaru
Gintama
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Akaboshi
Jaguar

Uh Bakuman again in top 5. Awesome.

[Ichiki]

One Piece
Bakuman
Mago
Kochi Kame
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bleach
Beelze
Medaka
Inumaru
Gintama
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Akaboshi
Jaguar

Ane is unranked (Chap. 3) :p So good week for Mago and Psyren.


Golden Future Entries
New Jump series will come out from Golden, like Beelze, right?

[graficool]

yeah for mago ^^

[Koen]

It's kinda cool to see how psyren, mago and bakuman beat bleach, reborn and gintama (imo (sub)top series). It shows how competitive the ToC is nowadays wiith younger refreshing series. Then again, let's not forget the english words one time, it just happened now one time. Anyway, I'll always be glad and mad about the ToC because I read 14 (or so) series in the ToC. But I do support the minor ones of course :). TLR is something I don't care about :p

[Elyon A. Luna]

Mago out of the basement keeps me happy. Though I wouldn't mind seeing it top 5 again :3

Dengi and Crown seem interesting (only by the pics) Well, of course, that's why they are 1 and 2 xD, but wanna give them a look.
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New Jump series will come out from Golden, like Beelze, right?

Yes, it depends on how they fare in votes. (Bakuman again. Hell, this series if anything is a lot more useful than Death Note)

[Negative Syndicate]

Alright, this week's ranking is little bit weird, Psyren and Mago, the series usually hang out in middle or bottom, switched the ranking of Beelzebub and Inumaru. But, I'm still happy with the ranking. Although, there are too many series that unranked, that's why Psyren, Sket Dance, and Mago were in high ranking.

In this year's Golden Future Cup, I, personally, have interested in Crown! and Metalica Metalica. And, by looking at past winners, Takaya, Usagin to Kame to Strike, Nurarihyon no Mago, and Beelzebub, the winner is most likely be either Meiji Hyakkiya Kôtan Dengi or Crown!. I can't wait to see whcih series going to be serialized on next year. Also, I think North Island's and Yonaoshi Densetsu!!'s art don't fit in with Jump.

[StrangerAtaru]

I wish this was the beginning of Bleach's death knell...but since this is when the series was back in the Fake Karakura fight (and how high it was when it was still Ichigo/Ulquiorra), we're being a tad too optimistic.

Though on the other hand, seeing the older series step aside for Psyren and Mago and Bakuman is a good sign. At least it shows that the future is either now...or really coming soon. (somehow I have this weird image though...that whether or not Toriko gets an anime in April, '10, Psyren could get one then too)

[Mr. Prince]

They should call the TOC "The rise of Mago and Psyren from the basement of hell"
BTW, on the scan from the golden future cup it said something about Mago, Beelze, Akaboshi and Inumaru. Can someone translate it?
It's small and blurry like fuck but I think I know what that is...

It's just saying that Akaboshi's, Inumaru dashi's, Mago's and Beelzebub's mangaka all took part in that cup in the past.

[Sexy Randal 105]

#35 (27/07) :
Shibata Yuusaku / Meiji Hyakkiya Kôtan Dengi (Page Couleur)

#36 (03/08) :
Kei Inayoshii & Kobayashi Tsutomu / Crown! (Page Couleur)

#37-38 (10/08) :
Andô Ei / North Island (Page Couleur)

#39 (21/08) :
Neda Hirofumi / Yonaoshi Densetsu!! (Page Couleur)

#40 (28/08) :
Mizuno Teruaki / Metalica Metalica (Page Couleur)

Oneshots i take it?

[Finestela]

Randal, those are this year's Golden Future Cup entries ;)

[Jabberwocky]

ToC By Himajin of 2ch

2009-34

Toriko (Lead CP)
One Piece
Naruto (Cover)
Wajima (Cover)
Anedoki
Bakuman
Mago
Kochi Kame
Kagijin (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bleach
Beelze
Medaka
Inumaru
Gintama
Reborn (CP)
Kuroko
ToLoveRu
Akaboshi
Jaguar
Psyren #4? :O

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Isn't Psyren No.5? not 4.

[Koshi_Inaba]

It can be 4 or 5 depending on whether you consider Kochikame ranked or unranked. Most considered it unranked.

[kewl0210]

Yeah, it's the Golden Future Cup. So there'll be a winner announced I think the issue after the last one is in. That and they put them in in the order they think'll do best.

Toriko's thing is about the anime. It seems Toriko's getting like, its covers pushed forward a couple weeks every time it has something. The anniversary was pushed forward for... I think Reborn's anniversary, or before that it was a new series. Though the anime was announced last issue it'll be more detailed in this one.

Anyway... Yeah Inumaru's low for once and Bakuman is high again. Psyren and Mago are high, so it would seem Mago isn't getting cancelled after all.
Is Naruto like... SHARING the cover with Wajima? Yeah shows how much confidence they have in that.

Beelzebub's a bit lower, and I think this issue corresponds to maybe the new TV drama for Kochikame? Maybe that's why it's so high.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hey I have never heard of this, is Wajima a new series?

[Drmke]

Hey I have never heard of this, is Wajima a new series?

Yes it is a new series.

[Finestela]

Hey I have never heard of this, is Wajima a new series?

Yes, the third out of the three new series incoming ;)
A gag series, and could be a 9 page half series like Inumaru instead of a 18~21 full series.

[Negative Syndicate]

I know Ane Doki is still unranked, but the editors put it in fairly high spot. I wonder the editors have confidence that this series going to be successful because the author is famous.

[Kaiten]

Ane is unranked (Chap. 3) :p So good week for Mago and Psyren.


New Jump series will come out from Golden, like Beelze, right?

The most popular Golden Cup series always gets serialized. Mago was the winner before Beelzebub. Any other one shots that do well get serialized too. Muddy ran the same year as Mago.

[Drmke]

Does anyone know what any of the Golden Cup series are about?

[Negative Syndicate]

Some people say that 2009 series going to be 2007 series, but I think 2009 series are better than 2007 series. Biggest hit is Sket Dance and other minor successful series are Yuusha-gaku and Hatsukoi. However, in 2009 series, Beelzebub is considered biggest hit in 2009 and I think it going to be even more successful than Sket Dance. Kuroko has been in low ranking recently, but I think it is still more successful than Yuusha-gaku. Medaka has a fairly good start. Lastly, Ane-Doki and Kagijin is just started to serialized, but I think one of two going to become successful.

In conclusion, 2009 series are more successful than 2007 series.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Anyone know if the series to be cut has already been decided or are they gonna have another meeting?Althogh in my opinion Akaboshi is still gonna be cut with it's super low ranking

[StrangerAtaru]

I think the main hype behind Ane Doki is still Kawashita. Hatsukoi is still on everyone's mind with the anime over recently, Ichigo 100% is still in the collective memory...so that probably is leading to the early hype for this series.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Let's just hope it's not gonna end up like Kuroko, getting hype and then fell like a meteor

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

That's not sharing the cover :p


http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/naruto456-a.jpg

http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/naruto456-b.jpeg

[Crude]

Wajima gets the bottom right corner... Naruto's cover is pretty cool though, and what's that book/magazine they're advertising in the top lef corner?

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I think it's something called the "Book of Summer" or simply "Summer Book", don't know what the content is.

[Rejuvenation]

Wajima has little more space than Toriko as far as the cover goes. >.>

This is basically a complete Naruto cover.

[StrangerAtaru]

I know Naruto is celebrating it's anniversary and that the next movie is coming out soon...but I sort of hope once we get to the actual anniversary issue that it takes a bit of a step back for a while. (then we sort of try to figure out how the heck Usuta can top all this insanity...or if Jaguar will even get one cover for it's 10th year)

[Maxy Barnard]

1 One Piece
2 Bakuman
3 Mago
4 Psyren
5 Sket Dance
6 Bleach
7 Beelze
8 Medaka
9 Inumaru
10 Gintama
11 Kuroko
12 ToLoveRu
13 Akaboshi

BIZARRO TOC?

[Kaiten]

Jump Comics Volume Sales, 6/6 - 6/12

1. Katekyo Hitman Reborn! volume 25 (154,234/414,666)(Weekly Shonen Jump)

2. Gintama volume 29 (138,670/343,102)(Weekly Shonen Jump)

9. Steel Ball Run volume 18 (64,344/164,186)(Ultra Jump)(seinen)

10. Gag Manga Biyori volume 10 (55,918/118,779)(Jump SQ)

15. Pyu to Fuku! Jaguar volume 17 (45,663/102,832)(Weekly Shonen Jump)

18. Beelzebub volume 1 (39,684/90,847)(Weekly Shonen Jump)

24. Bartender volume 14 (32,037/67,957)(Super Jump)(seinen)

25. Shiki volume 5 (31,060/76,713)(Jump SQ)(shonen)

30. Majin Tantei Nogami Neuro volume 22 (28,939/77,711)(Weekly Shonen Jump)

I should note: Angel Heart, a spin off/alternate version of City Hunter charted at number three this week. Like Fist of the North Star and St. Seiya spin offs, Angel Heart is not published by Shuiesha. Full top 30 here! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50703&page=2)

[Negative Syndicate]

Impressive!!! Beelzebub didn't drop much of volume sales. At this rate, I think Beelzebub's 2nd volume going to sell more than 10,000 on first week.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Yeah, Beelze is very impressive. Even if later, the second didn't manage to sell past 100k in the first week, it will probably sell around 80,000 to 90,000

[Heiji-sama]

#34 :
Cover :
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Contents :
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Preview Gold Future Cup :
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Preview :
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[Koshi_Inaba]

I think with Mago's rating improving highly, they should give it a CP. It's been a long time since the last one

[Negative Syndicate]

Overall this week's Jump, it is all quite good.

So far, Akaboshi does have improved, and it going to be pitty if it axed on next round of canelation. I really hope Akaboshi escape from last place, so it gave hope for chance of survival.

For new series, Ane-Doki and Kagijin are still good enough for me to read more. But, Ane-Doki should have about 25 pages because the new series gave longer pages until 3rd chapter, however the length is 19 pages, length for regular series. Even Chagecha, Asklepios, and Hoopmen got about 25 pages in 3rd chapter, I don't know why she shorten the page. And Wajimania, it was feel like I was reading Yuusha-gaku.
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Also, I found news in 2ch. that Akaboshi and Inumaru going to be cancel, furthermore Murate (illustrator of Eyeshield21) and Aimoto (author of MUDDY) will be coming back. Plus, in issue 36, Sket Dance will get colour for 100th chapter anniversay with news about Sket Dance's animation.

I'm not sure this news is true or not, but if Murata did return, I hope he comes back with his recent one shot, BLUST!

[Siberia]

Also, I found news in 2ch. that Akaboshi and Inumaru going to be cancel, furthermore Murate (illustrator of Eyeshield21) and Aimoto (author of MUDDY) will be coming back. Plus, in issue 36, Sket Dance will get colour for 100th chapter anniversay with news about Sket Dance's animation.

I'm not sure this news is true or not, but if Murata did return, I hope he comes back with his recent one shot, BLUST!

can u quote the original post?
SD will get animated? Sounds cool though I haven't read that manga.
It makes sense if Akaboshi will be cancelled but whats wrong with Inumaru? (becoz of its low sales per volume?

[Negative Syndicate]

I'll post the quote from 2ch.



outはいぬまるとAKABOSHI。inは村田と藍本。
OUT are Inumaru and AKABOSHI. IN are Murata and Aimoto.
村田はこの前の読み切りらしい
Murata's is his recent one shot.


and



36号でスケットアニメ化情報つき巻頭カラーだそうでつ
Sket is getting animated cofirm page colour in issue 36.


The quote for Sket Dance looks like written in fake, and there are more threads about what's in and out.

[Siberia]

AKABOSHI: R.I.P
So it says Murata will start a new series after ES21?

[Negative Syndicate]

So it says Murata will start a new series after ES21?

Yeah, it looks like Murata is returning. But if it is true, he will be return with his one shot, called BLUST!

[Mr. Prince]

Oh come on...that's just your usual 2ch trash talk. No need for this fear mongering

[Siberia]

um, fair enough........anyway, we can just take this piece of info with a grain of salt. (though there are so many rumours in 2ch which turnt out to be true )

[Koen]

Well this is a double edged sword: Inumaru would make sense because the last new one is in its league (maison de penguin was cancelled when yusha came out, yusha had its end when Inumaru came out, etc). Akaboshi could be the new meister. Let's end this as fast as we can.

Then again, I highly doubt they would release two new series, having in mind:
1. three new series were released last weeks and this week
2. there's a series of one shots coming in

-> so I'd rather say, it's fake. I think issue #41 or 42 will be a new start of new axes

[Magicoreo]

Did someone say Murata?
My damn.
This just made my day.

:O I found Blust! to be interesting, either Blust! is serialized or there could be a new oneshot coming out.

[StrangerAtaru]

Wouldn't trust it. We got so many new series now so far that to start talking about more cancellations and new series is just rushing it a tad too quickly.

Besides, while I think Sket is ready for an anime, it really should get more notice about it out there if it is getting one. (not like it's getting a cover for it, they're probably not doing that again until Toriko get's it's big announcement next year)

[Magicoreo]

Well at least there's a chance of Murata returning. :/

[StrangerAtaru]

Well at least there's a chance of Murata returning. :/

Murata will probably return, but it feels too soon. A lot of mangaka do take time between series, more or less a year or so between the end of one series and the start of the next.

[Finestela]

Well this is a double edged sword: Inumaru would make sense because the last new one is in its league (maison de penguin was cancelled when yusha came out, yusha had its end when Inumaru came out, etc). Akaboshi could be the new meister. Let's end this as fast as we can.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison... Yuusha was a full series while Inumaru and Wajima are both half series. Saying that one replaced the other is a bit... :/

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison... Yuusha was a full series while Inumaru and Wajima are both half series. Saying that one replaced the other is a bit... :/

Yeah, but I think Jump don't need series Inumaru and Wajimania serialized in same time because Jump already have Jaguar. And I think they don't need more than two short page gag-series.

[Kaiten]

To soon for new series. Usually it's eight to ten weeks between batches. I'll believe it when I see it. And if I do, I'll be shocked. Plus 2 established mangaka coming back at the same time? Considering how important new artists are to Jump, I find that very hard to believe.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

To soon for new series. Usually it's eight to ten weeks between batches. I'll believe it when I see it. And if I do, I'll be shocked. Plus 2 established mangaka coming back at the same time? Considering how important new artists are to Jump, I find that very hard to believe.

I agree that it's too soon, but Takei and Obata came back at the same time, so that would hardly be unprecedented.

[Negative Syndicate]

Even if the thread is false, I thought Kuroko is even more danger than Inumaru. If the thread is true, that means Jump editors don't want to cancel their only one sport series.

[Rejuvenation]

I agree with others who say it is too soon. If this was coming after the 3 new series were already ranked I'd be a bit more inclined to believe it. But this would basically put 5 new series in the line-up at once which can't have a proper ranking yet.

I don't think that is a common occurrence at all so I'll call BS until it actually happens.

[Negative Syndicate]

I also agree with others, but still it is true that at least two or three series have to go for order to start another new series line-up. It looks like Akaboshi and Kuroko are most in danger.

So, I want to know others opinions about which series has to cancel or finish for more space for another new series. I can say that Ane-Doki, Kagijin, and Wajimania are safe, unless they are not going to happen like Chagecha and Meister.

[kewl0210]

Seeing as how Inumaru's been in 5th place or so ever issue for like 30 in a row I don't think it's gonna get cancelled unless whoever said it was right that it was a plant, despite how that makes no sense.

Or else the author actually planned it to last this long and 50 chapters is a "natural end"... But seeing as it's a gag manga, I doubt it. It didn't get HORRIBLE tankoubon sales, but it's not like a big hit. I wouldn't see why it'd end, that's probably false. I mean Nurarihyon no Mago was supposed to end next week according to that rumor thing from a while back, and isn't. Plus, I doubt Jump's gonna end anything else soon as it just did so many.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Inumaru's sales is the worst of all Jump's title, volume 1 only sold 12,287 copies.
Also, the rumor said mago would end in issue 36, next week is issue 35, there's still two more weeks to find out.

[Kaiten]

Gag manga do not sell as much as other genres. I see no reason for it to end. Actually, I see no reason for anything to end or debut till September. Three series just started, nothing else is coming this month. Come on.

Mago is absolutely, positively, under no circumstances going to end in issue 36. That post was established as false a long time ago.

[Drmke]

If Inumaru continues to drop then it might get cancelled, but right now its just had one kinda bad week after a long string of really good weeks so I would say its fine for now.

[Negative Syndicate]

In change of subject, I think the series that began with one shot before actual serialization has more possibility to survive long than the series with completely new. How does other people think about it?

[Drmke]

In change of subject, I think the series that began with one shot before actual serialization has more possibility to survive long. How does other people think?

I think it can help but doesn't necessarily do anything to prolong the length of the series.

Ex. Bleach - no one-shot. Very popular
Asklepios - (popular?) one-shot. Very unpopular

So it can go either way.

[Negative Syndicate]

I think it can help but doesn't necessarily do anything to prolong the length of the series.

Ex. Bleach - no one-shot. Very popular
Asklepios - (popular?) one-shot. Very unpopular

So it can go either way.

Actually, Kubo wrote an one shot in Akamaru on 2000 which is a prototype for Bleach. Also One Piece, Naruto, Eyeshield21, and Neuro also were an one shot before it became serialized. Furthermore, 12 out of 23 currently ongoing series are started with one shots.

[Drmke]

Actually, Kubo wrote an one shot in Akamaru on 2000 which is a prototype for Bleach. And Naruto, Eyeshield21, and Neuro also was an one shot before it became serialized. Furthermore, 12 out of 23 currently ongoing series are started with one shots.

Wasn't aware of the Bleach one-shot.

But still plenty of popular manga have made it without one-shots. (maybe lol I could be jsut as wrong about these as I was about Bleach but I haven't found anything about these) Like Slam Dunk and YuYu Hakusho.

[Koen]

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison... Yuusha was a full series while Inumaru and Wajima are both half series. Saying that one replaced the other is a bit... :/

I wasn't talking about the duration of a gag manga but I was just referring that gag manga mostly replace each other. One can get a longer run than another (eg, yusha like you referred to) and it can happen they'll run for some issues two gag manga at the same time but sooner or later, one of them will get the axe.

[Finestela]

Wasn't aware of the Bleach one-shot.

But still plenty of popular manga have made it without one-shots. (maybe lol I could be jsut as wrong about these as I was about Bleach but I haven't found anything about these) Like Slam Dunk and YuYu Hakusho.

Yep, it had an 1-shot... It came out in Akamaru Jump, and was also reprinted in the official guide book Souls.

Neuro had 2 1-shots before becoming a weekly series (one is Akamaru, and the other in WSJ, iirc...

Even ToLoveRu had a semi-prototype 1-shot, called "Trans Boy", which the "Alien fighting" and "LaLa" as the female protagonist theme was introduced. (Though everything else is quite different :p)

[Negative Syndicate]

But still plenty of popular manga have made it without one-shots. (maybe lol I could be jsut as wrong about these as I was about Bleach but I haven't found anything about these) Like Slam Dunk and YuYu Hakusho.

It is true that there are lots of popular manga without one shots. But, there are also lots of big hits manga that began with one shots, like Kinikuman, City Hunter, KochiKame, One Piece, Naruto, Taa-Chan, etc. Also, Inoue did wrote some one shots that were prototype for Slam Dunk.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Mago's just been setting up for another big plot arc too, which would mean that we either knew about this weeks before Shiibashi did, or he was well aware and just decided to do it anyways.

And either of those seems pretty unlikely.

[sir_arles]

Also, Inoue did wrote some one shots that were prototype for Slam Dunk.

Yes, It was published in 1988 and It was called Kaede Purple, with Rukawa starring. The funny thing is that his nemesis was a guy with the characteristics of the other 4 players of Shohoku XD


About the topic, I think that the one shot helps the mangaka testing what he is doing, seeing if the readers like the story the way It is and allowing him to make a better manga.

[Negative Syndicate]

In 2008, there are 8 series had cancelled, and 2 series are started with one shot before been serialized.

In 2009, there are 3 sereis had cancelled so far, and none of them started with one shot.

So, I think the series with one shots have higher possibilities to survive. And for axed series, I think major reason for their cancellation is that the author didn't do very well on changing their one shot into a series.

[Maxy Barnard]

Yeah, but I think Jump don't need series Inumaru and Wajimania serialized in same time because Jump already have Jaguar. And I think they don't need more than two short page gag-series.

Because we ALL know that in a anthology of 20ish series we should have all the diversity of a batch of particularly samey sponges. Two gag series is ridiculously small in the face of other types of manga. Three is certainly more acceptable, though it would be nice if any of those had full length chapters.

[Crude]

Gintama, Beelzebub, Sket Dance, Inumaru, Jaguar! (?) and the new series Wanjimania. That would be six gag manga in Jump.

[Negative Syndicate]

Gintama, Beelzebub, Sket Dance, Inumaru, Jaguar! (?) and the new series Wanjimania. That would be six gag manga in Jump.

I don't consider Beelzebub as gag manga. I think Beelzebub is battle manga with lots of comedy.

[Kaiten]

Two gag manga (Jaguar/Inumaru) really is a very small amount. Most anthologies have three or four, maybe more. I'm referring to the eight or nine page comedies or 4Koma. Wajima would bring Jump to a more acceptable number. 20 page comedy series like Gintama or Hayate are different.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Any news on next week's bottom 5 preview? considering Jump's release a bit faster than usual, i thought it would come out faster.

[xi0]

Two gag manga (Jaguar/Inumaru) really is a very small amount. Most anthologies have three or four, maybe more. I'm referring to the eight or nine page comedies or 4Koma. Wajima would bring Jump to a more acceptable number. 20 page comedy series like Gintama or Hayate are different.

You bring up something interesting here. Why is it that we don't see any yonkomas in WSJ? Maybe my memory is failing me, but I can't think of any in recent memory.

[Mr. Prince]

While I'm quite a sucker for gag that new series was rather Wack-o-mania than anything else...didn't grasp me. At all.
(I know it's only the first chapter but it just wasn't pigeon)

[Elyon A. Luna]

Little question:

Next One Piece volume should come around September, right?

I'm anxious for a cover featuring

THE GROUP

I hope.

Nevermind, just calculated the chapters, and that will have to wait two volumes.

Oh, well.

Next volume will most likely feature Luffy, Bon-chan, and perhaps Buggy and Mr. 3

[Siberia]

Akamaru Jump Summer 2009 will be issued on 17/8 but I wonder can we get early spoilers on 12/8, just like WSJ.

[Kaiten]

You bring up something interesting here. Why is it that we don't see any yonkomas in WSJ? Maybe my memory is failing me, but I can't think of any in recent memory.

My knowledge of Jump history isn't as broad as some but I can't think of any Jump ever having 4Koma. There staples of other magazine, strange that Jump hasn't tried.

Jump always seems desperate for gag. Penguin and Poseidon were placed in the top five for their entire run. They try and add at least two a year to the line up. I think Inumaru will last at least a year, popular or no

[StrangerAtaru]

Any news on next week's bottom 5 preview? considering Jump's release a bit faster than usual, i thought it would come out faster.

I think everything was ahead of schedule last week due to a Saturday issue. Usually it probably will be released as usual.

[Maxy Barnard]

Gintama, Beelzebub, Sket Dance, Inumaru, Jaguar! (?) and the new series Wanjimania. That would be six gag manga in Jump.

gintama is schizophrenic (wonderfully so) between many genres. Sket is slice of life more than gag now, and beelzebub is more an action series with gag elements (as many predicted it would become)

so whilst Sket makes it a possible 4 out of 20 it's still not all that impressive a showing for the genre

[Finestela]

Hmm... a lot of people seem to have mixed up between Comedy and Gag... Beelze and Sket are in no way "gags", while Gintama is indeed a gag series. Kochikame is a harder one to consider, but everything else is pretty clear on which one it belongs.

To me, I think a gag series has to have the following three criterias when making jokes:

1. Misery of character(s) as a source of joke.
2. Puns.
3. Tsukkomi.

Another optional indicator is relating to pop culture or current events.

[Crude]

If Beelzebub does become a battle manga, I hope it improves on it's battles. So far they've been pretty boring. The best parts of the series were no doubt the comedy elements.

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm hoping that 2010 series to be like another 2007 series. The reason is that 2008 series are very successful, and 2009 are doing pretty good. So, in order to save other series, we need lots of not very good series to axe each other, until some of current series to finish in naturally.

[Drmke]

I'm hoping that 2010 series to be like another 2007 series. The reason is that 2008 series are very successful, and 2009 are doing pretty good. So, in order to save other series, we need lots of not very good series to axe each other, until some of current series to finish in naturally.

Eh....I don't quite agree there.

As much as I hate seeing series I like go, I hate watching lots of new series crash and burn on right after another more.

I would prefer that just instead hoping more series suck and die, that we just get more good series but at a lower quantity. That way less series are canceled, but we don't get barraged by constant crap.

[StrangerAtaru]

The problem in making these comments is that we really just don't know what every year and every series is going to bring us. It may be brilliant for the word go and stay that way, it may be brilliant at first and become crap a few chapters, a few months or a few years later. It could be awfully generic at first and stick around barely before becoming more interesting and huge. Or...it could just suck. Every series is a blank slate and we have to treat them as such since we never know what each one will bring...and how it will affect the status quo of the magazine at that time.

[Rejuvenation]

^Very good point.


Hmm... a lot of people seem to have mixed up between Comedy and Gag... Beelze and Sket are in no way "gags", while Gintama is indeed a gag series. Kochikame is a harder one to consider, but everything else is pretty clear on which one it belongs.

To me, I think a gag series has to have the following three criterias when making jokes:

1. Misery of character(s) as a source of joke.
2. Puns.
3. Tsukkomi.

Another optional indicator is relating to pop culture or current events.

By your criteria Sket may actually be a gag manga though.

1. Bossun's misery IS a source of many a joke and Himeko's is as well.
2. Several puns have been used along the way(Granted more were earlier on then more recently I think.)
3. Sket Dance has had several chapters where they themselves mention Tsukkomi and I think even a few chapters were based entirely on what the hell it is.

I think they have the last indicator but my mind is drawing a blank atm. >.>

[Finestela]

Yes, but the thing is that, it's not the main source or what the story is mainly about in Sket Dance.

Gintama, while they have the individual arcs and storyline, still focuses almost exclusively on cracking jokes on silly little things. Sket, early on, does this for a bit, but it is almost non-existence as of now.

[Cassius]

Preview Toc.


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小ネタ
・35ドベ５　とら、赤星、バク、虜、めだか
・36巻頭　亀　　Cスケ、いぬ、金未来
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Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

[Kaiten]

Goddamn it Kuroko, drop back to the bottom 5. I don't like you and want you to fail u_u

So now the TOC is getting really volatile with Toriko dropping into the bottom 5. That leaves three series that can't be canceled down there. Getting harder and harder to tell what will join Akaboshi in the next round of cuts. Anyway, good to see Psyren, Mago, and Sket staying away from the basement. And nice to see Sket getting color next week, even if it is for a delayed seconf anniversary.

[Rejuvenation]

^Agreed. For the sake of everything else, Kuroko can bite the dust in my opinion. >.>


Preview Toc.

Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

Medaka in the bottom 5 again although barely. Still isn't a good place for it to be in terms of survival. =/

Toriko in the bottom 5 as well saddens me. Although it is safe for the most part.

Bakuman is in the basement again. Which probably means Gintama is in the top 5 this week if they continue their switching with each other.

Kuroko managed to escape the bottom 5. I wonder if it just barely did or if it rose to a high ranking.

Akaboshi managed to rise above To Love Ru this week granted that doesn't make much of a difference.

I only care about the Sket Dance color next week.

Crap, an absent Naruto means it takes longer to get to its end.

[Kaiten]

Ah come on, no need to bash Naruto. >.<

[Rejuvenation]

Ah come on, no need to bash Naruto. >.<

That wasn't so much to bash it but more so the acknowledgment that when it ends that is one less top heavy series around. And so far it looks like the only established series that has a natural end in sight atm. Granted that may still be a year or so off.

[M-Hario]

No way, Toriko in the bottom 5 T_T

Well, It seems that nothing going to save Akaboshi from cancelation.

Anyway... Naruto absent... I bet that in #37 will be back with Lead CP and cover... :notrust

[Kaiten]

Anyway... Naruto absent... I bet that in #37 will be back with Lead CP and cover... :notrust

Maybe. Two straight covers, with color for the 10th anniversary this week. I'm not sure Kishi will get, or want, more color after that. He and Oda don't seem to take up color the way Kubo does.


That wasn't so much to bash it but more so the acknowledgment that when it ends that is one less top heavy series around. And so far it looks like the only established series that has a natural end in sight atm. Granted that may still be a year or so off.

Naruto and OP aren't really affecting the TOC much IMO. They've kind of become the Jaguars of the front of the magazine, so locked into their spots they almost don't count as part of the poll. The recent volatility seems to have more to do with the second tier of hits, the series that sell less then Bleach but can still be considered hits. It's almost as if, instead of voting for the same favorite week after week, readers are voting for a number of series on a chapter by chapter basis. Bakuman, Gintama, Kuroko, Reborn, and now Toriko seem to be competing for votes. Beelzebub, Psyren, Mago, and Sket seem to be far more consistent of late even if the latter three tend towards the middle rather then front.

[kewl0210]

Weird for Toriko to be in the bottom five. Ah well, once we get to the issues where it gets an anime it'll go back up. This corresponds to like... When Toriko eats the Jewel Meat. Well I dunno. Maybe everything else is just really high. But it's getting an anime anyway. Next couple weeks is the end of an arc which were really good.

Odd that Kochikame is getting ANOTHER cover, it's the third this year. That doesn't happen much.

[Kaiten]

Odd that Kochikame is getting ANOTHER cover, it's the third this year. That doesn't happen much.

I think they're starting to pimp the drama.

[Mr. Prince]

Oh Kuroko...go back down there, you piece of wasted pages...ahem.
Toriko so low is really weird, it just deserves better.

I think Inumaru's CP might be for its anniversary as well. I think it debuted around this time last year...

[Kaiten]

I think Inumaru's CP might be for its anniversary as well. I think it debuted around this time last year...

Most likely. Inumaru started in issue 39, the issue after the double. Color in the issue before this years double will probably be an early anniversary.

[Drmke]

Preview Toc.



Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

Akaboshi, you finally managed to move up a little but it was just above To Love-ru......that doesn't help your situation......

[Elyon A. Luna]

Now Bakuman it's basement lodger....

¿Anyone has the sales? Going to check the Oricon lists.

[Siberia]

Now Bakuman it's basement lodger....

¿Anyone has the sales? Going to check the Oricon lists.

According to 2ch (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/music/3914/1105682256/), the total sales of vol 3 counted up to 2009/7/6 is 302,910 copies

オリコン2009/7/6付 コミック (集計期間：2009/6/22～6/28)
順位/先週/推定売上部数/推定累積売上部数/登場回数/集計日数(初週のみ)/タイトル
92　46　*11,928　*,302,910　*4　*25　バクマン。 3

[StrangerAtaru]

Maybe. Two straight covers, with color for the 10th anniversary this week. I'm not sure Kishi will get, or want, more color after that. He and Oda don't seem to take up color the way Kubo does.

I think issue 43 will be the grand finale of the Naruto hype: that's officially the issue in 1999 when Naruto started and that's when I think the biggest of all the Naruto coverage for the year will be for it's 10th anniversary. (that should be around September) Could still sneak in another but the main anniversary will be in 43 IMHO.

As for the rankings...aside from To-Love's consistancy and Akaboshi essentially bombing, the big story is pretty much the volatility of the ranks as of late. Many series have been going up and down a lot the last few months, which could more or less be a sign they all have support, including (and most crucially) some of the stuff from '08 (Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman) and some stuff from '09 like Beezle. I don't know where it will go but it is nothing but up for them.

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm just hoping that Akaboshi bounces back up, like Sket Dance. Sket Dance also fell down to last place during its early official ranking, but manage to bounces back up. Now, Sket Dance has been serialized for almost 2 years. I hope Akaboshi to survive like Sket Dance.

Toriko dropped to bottom 5. Maybe it's just having an one bad week. But, if Toriko stay in bottom 5 for consecutive weeks, then I think Toriko had too much bubble.

It is good to see that Kuroko finally escaped from bottom 5. But, sad to see Medaka drops to bottom 5 again. But, I think Medaka is not in danger, yet, but if it dropped even more next week, then Medaka is in trouble.

[Finestela]

Well, it did go up one place above ToLoveRu... so it "might" mean that Shueisha is not ready to sign its death warrant.

Otherwise, they'd just keep it below TLR ;)

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Somehow I was kind of expecting Toriko to show up here.

If Toriko switched around with Kuroko this would pretty much be the ideal Bottom 5 I could realistically expect right now.

[Negative Syndicate]

Well, it did go up one place above ToLoveRu... so it "might" mean that Shueisha is not ready to sign its death warrant.

Otherwise, they'd just keep it below TLR ;)

I hope you're right. Akaboshi is too good to be axed right now. I hope this rise makes an opportunity for Akaboshi to escape from bottom 5.

[Kaiten]

Every chapter has charted in the bottom five. Why save it? If it rises out of the bottom what does it displace? Sorry, Akaboshi is next to go, good series or no.

[Koshi_Inaba]

I like Akaboshi, but just as Kaiten said it's going to die, unless it truly rose out of the bottom. It's still the lowest of ranked series, considering they're not going to cancel to-love.
BTW Kaiten, do you know on what volume did D.Gray-man start to pass the 200k and 300k mark? I'm really curious whether D.Gray sold really big before the anime or not. I mean, I know it already pass the 100k mark since first volume, but 200k and 300k are not easy to pass unless you're already a famous author or the series become an anime.

[Finestela]

Additional/Revised spoiler info from Ko-neta:




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Naruto will NOT be absent for 2009-36

Additional ToC info for 2009-35 (the gray ones are the bottom 5 he already posted):

KochiKame
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Inumaru
Medaka
Toriko
Bakuman
Akaboshi
ToLoveRu

[Wasilis]

Haha! Yeah. I bet that Psyren will be in the top 5 again. And it will become officially one of the Top Series. ;)

[StrangerAtaru]

I know this sounds selfish but sometimes I sort of wished that Jump had a "mandatory break" policy like Magazine has. Sure they probably have it to make sure they keep up with all the number of manga they do have, but somehow I just sort of wished certain manga had a few more breaks to allow for the mangaka to take a breath instead of just going consequetive for...well, for some mangaka, from day 1 to the final chapter. (yeah, random comment but I sort of do wish Kishi did take a couple more breaks with all the ones Oda does)

[Aikyet]

Toriko in the bottom 5. A pleasure for my tired eyes.
How I wish it could stay stay there.


I know this sounds selfish but sometimes I sort of wished that Jump had a "mandatory break" policy like Magazine has. Sure they probably have it to make sure they keep up with all the number of manga they do have, but somehow I just sort of wished certain manga had a few more breaks to allow for the mangaka to take a breath instead of just going consequetive for...well, for some mangaka, from day 1 to the final chapter. (yeah, random comment but I sort of do wish Kishi did take a couple more breaks with all the ones Oda does)

I know what are talking about - some authors - yes, Kishimoto - have to have some additional breaks. Well, not that it would change the quality of their manga but still.
Though I wonder if that system could work in Jump. It would be even harder for new series to get popular. Perhaps, with some limitations added - like, only series with 50+ chapters are affected by the "mandatory break" policy - it could prove to be effective.

Oh, and isn't Oda having more breaks than usual because of his script writer/executive producer work in the 10th One Piece movie?

[StrangerAtaru]

Oda's extra breaks have been for a while now. He's been busy and doing so much research that he needs one every once in a while, including the ones everyone takes (Golden Week, Bon, Christmas, New Years). The movie is just one of many, many things he needs the breaks for.

[fxu]

And Psyren is nowhere to be seen in the bottom 9 that have been posted.

This is great news ^_^

[Kaiten]

Psyrens to good to drop back into the bottom five.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Hopefully Kuroko can stay out of the bottom five now, too. I wish it could get back up to the top of the magazine, but even just staying out of cancellation range will be good enough.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Why did the guy say Naruto was absent and then say it wasn't? :mad

[Negative Syndicate]

I can say that Akaboshi is like a chicken. A chicken is hard to eat on some spot because of the bones, but it is too pitty to throw away. In Akaboshi, it is number 1 spot for in cancelation for low ranking, but it is too pitty to cancel because it is getting better and better.

[Weapon_X]

Phew, lucky Psyren isn't in the bottom 5 or even in the bottom 9.

Btw, what is the best/more legit website to check manga sales? Is it Oricon or something else?

[Finestela]

Why did the guy say Naruto was absent and then say it wasn't? :mad

He said it was a copy/paste error. He must've have a template for typing the spoiler or something...

[Kaiten]

Phew, lucky Psyren isn't in the bottom 5 or even in the bottom 9.

Btw, what is the best/more legit website to check manga sales? Is it Oricon or something else?

Oricon is the most reliable that I know of.

[Weapon_X]

Oricon is the most reliable that I know of.

For some reason I can only find the sales of 2008.
Aren't there sales for previous years like 2000, 2001 etc?

[Siberia]

U can find the sales figures of 2008 & 09 in 2ch (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/music/3914/1105682256/)
And various rankings of manga sales starting from 1996.(http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/) (limited to WSJ series n no detailed sales figures)

But I couldn't find the exact info u want

[Weapon_X]

None of that stuff works. Everything is in a different language and I don't know how to use 2ch.

This is what I get:

¥•””î•ñ‚̍XV
6/15@ ƒAƒCƒV[ƒ‹ƒh21@@@@@@@2000–œ•”
6/14@ ONE PIECE@@@@@@52Šª‰”Å246–œ•”(”N“à250–œ•”)
@@@ NARUTO@@@@@@@ 44Šª‰”Å150–œ•”(”N“à155–œ•”)
@@@ HUNTER~HUNTER@@@ 26Šª‰”Å147–œ•”(”N“à149–œ•”)
@@@ BLEACH@@@@@@@ 36Šª‰”Å120–œ•”(”N“à120–œ•”)
@@@ D.Gray-man@@@@@@17Šª‰”Å70–œ•”(”N“à70–œ•”)
@@@ ƒsƒ…[‚Ɛ‚­IƒWƒƒƒK[15Šª‰”Å32–œ•”(”N“à32–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”Å‚±‚¿‹T@@ 103Šª‰”Å24–œ•”(”N“à24–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”Å—H—V”’‘@@ 1Šª‰”Å10–œ•”(”N“à10–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”Ő¹“¬Žm¯–î@ 12Šª‰”Å4–œ•”(”N“à4–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”щƒCƒpƒN@@7Šª‰”Å3.5–œ•”(”N“à3.5–œ•”)
@@@ ONE PIECE@@@@@@53Šª‰”Å250–œ•”
@@@ NARUTO@@@@@@@ 45Šª‰”Å153–œ•”
@@@ BLEACH@@@@@@ @33Šª‰”Å126–œ•”
@@@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@23Šª‰”Å64–œ•”
@@@ REBORN@ @@@@@@ 21Šª‰”Å63–œ•”
@@@ ƒeƒjƒX‚̉¤Žq—l@@@@42Šª‰”Å45–œ•”
@@@ ƒAƒCƒV[ƒ‹ƒh21@@@@29Šª‰”Å44–œ•”
@@@ ROOKIES@@@@@@@ 24Šª‰”Å30–œ•”(—ÝŒv48.8–œ•”)
@@@ ROOKIES•¶ŒÉ”Ł@@@@@@‰”Å2.5–œ•”(—ÝŒv14–œ•”)
6/6@@ƒoƒNƒ}ƒ“B@@@@@@@@ 130–œ•”
@@@ ‚Ê‚ç‚è‚Ђå‚ñ‚Ì‘·@@@@@ 130–œ•”
5/2@@NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 9000–œ•”
@@@ ƒgƒŠƒR@@@@@@@@@@ 130–œ•”
4/20@ –‚l’T’ã”]ŠšƒlƒEƒ@@@@ 440–œ•”
4/19@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@2500–œ•”
4/10@ BLEACH@@@@@@@@@ 5600–œ•”
@@@ ‚¢‚¿‚²100“@@@@@@@–ñ800–œ•”
4/4@@ƒsƒ…[‚Ɛ‚­IƒWƒƒƒK[@@ 750–œ•”
@@@ ‚Ê‚ç‚è‚Ђå‚ñ‚Ì‘·@@@@@ 100–œ•”
@@@ ‰—öŒÀ’èB@@@@@@@@@85–œ•”
@@@ ‰Ô‚ÌŒcŽŸ V‘•”Ł@@@@@@ 50–œ•”
3/16@ ‰Æ’닳Žtƒqƒbƒgƒ}ƒ“REBORN@1900–œ•”
3/15@ ONE PIECE@@@@@@@1‰­5800–œ•”
2/27@ ‚±‚¿‹T@@@@@@@@ 1‰­5000–œ•”
@@@ SLAM DUNK@@@@@@@1‰­1600–œ•”
@@@ ƒgƒŠƒR@@@@@@@@@@ 100–œ•”
2/21@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@2300–œ•”
@@@ ROOKIES@@@@@@@@@ 2000–œ•”
@@@ ‚Ý‚Ç‚è‚̃}ƒLƒoƒI[@@@@ 900–œ•”
2/9@@ONE PIECE@@@@@@@1‰­5000–œ•”
@ @@To LOVE‚é|‚Æ‚ç‚Ô‚é|@@@500–œ•”
11/30@NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 8900–œ•”
11/23@’¿—V‹L@@@@ @@ 400–œ•”
11/9@ ‚Ê‚ç‚è‚Ђå‚ñ‚Ì‘·@@@@@@40–œ•”
11/3@ ‚Ê‚ç‚è‚Ђå‚ñ‚Ì‘·@@@@@@20–œ•”
10/19@D.Gray-man@@@@ 1400–œ•”
10/7@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@2200–œ•”
8/31@ NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 8600–œ•”
8/8@@’n–æ¶‚ʁ`‚ׁ`@@@@@2000–œ•”
7/28@ D.Gray-man@@@@ 1300–œ•”
7/27@ ROOKIES@@@@@@@@@ 1700–œ•”
7/26@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@2100–œ•”
7/19@ BLEACH@@@@@@@@@ 5000–œ•”
@@@ ‰Æ’닳Žtƒqƒbƒgƒ}ƒ“REBORN@1500–œ•”
7/17@ ƒeƒjƒX‚̉¤Žq—l@@@@@@4200–œ•”
7/5@@HUNTER~HUNTER @@@@@ 4600–œ•”
@@@ DRAGON BALL@@@@26Šª‰”Å190–œ•”
@@@ DRAGON BALL@@@@35Šª‰”Å220–œ•”
@@@ DRAGON BALL@@@@37Šª‰”Å200–œ•”
@@@ DRAGON BALL@@@@40Šª‰”Å180–œ•”
@@@ SLAM DUNK@@@@@@2Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ SLAM DUNK@@@@@14Šª‰”Å165–œ•”
@@@ SLAM DUNK@@@@@19Šª‰”Å200–œ•”
@@@ BASTARD !!@@@@ 15Šª‰”Å100–œ•”
@@@ BASTARD !!@@@@ 15Šª‰”Å105–œ•”
@@@ ‚ë‚­‚Å‚È‚µBLUES@@ 14Šª‰”Å90–œ•”
@@@ ‚ë‚­‚Å‚È‚µBLUES@@25Šª‰”Å100–œ•”
@@@ ‚ë‚­‚Å‚È‚µBLUES@@ 28Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ ‚ë‚­‚Å‚È‚µBLUES@@ 31Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ —H—V”’‘@@@@@ 13Šª‰”Å165–œ•”
@@@ —H—V”’‘@@@@@ 17Šª‰”Å160–œ•”
@@@ ‚±‚¿‹T@@@@@@@69Šª‰”Å60–œ•”
@@@ ‚±‚¿‹T@@@@@@@81Šª‰”Å75–œ•”
@@@ ‚±‚¿‹T@@@@@@@87Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ ‚±‚¿‹T@@@@@@@94Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ BOY@@@@@@@@@2Šª‰”Å60–œ•”
@@@ BOY@@@@@@@@@6Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ BOY@@@@@@@@ 10Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ BOY@@@@@@@@ 18Šª‰”Å56–œ•”
@@@ ƒ_ƒC‚Ì‘å–`Œ¯@@@@ 6Šª‰”Å80–œ•”
@@@ ƒ_ƒC‚Ì‘å–`Œ¯@@@ 17Šª‰”Å105–œ•”
@@@ ƒ_ƒC‚Ì‘å–`Œ¯@@@@22Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ ‚é‚낤‚ÉŒ•S@@@@ 5Šª‰”Å80–œ•”
@@@ ‚é‚낤‚ÉŒ•S@@@ 15Šª‰”Å115–œ•”
@@@ ‚·‚²‚¢‚æƒ}ƒTƒ‹‚³‚ñ@ 4Šª‰”Å70–œ•”
@@@ CITY HUNTER@@@@ 32Šª‰”Å63–œ•”
@@@ ‰Ô‚ÌŒcŽŸ@@@@@@ 5Šª‰”Å65–œ•”
@@@ ONE PIECE@@@@@30Šª‰”Å255–œ•”
@@@ –k“l‚ÌŒ@@@@@@@ ‰”Å100–œ‘ä
6/26@ 3”NZ‘g‹â”ªæ¶@@@@@ 1Šª50–œ•”
6/17@ NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 8400–œ•”
5/31@ ‰Æ’닳Žtƒqƒbƒgƒ}ƒ“REBORN@1300–œ•”
5/30@ ROOKIES@@@@@@@@@ 1530–œ•”
5/24@ To LOVE‚é|‚Æ‚ç‚Ô‚é|@@@360–œ•”
5/16@ ONE PIECE@@@@@@48Šª‰”Å244–œ•”(”N“à244–œ•”)
@@@ NARUTO@@@@@@@ 40Šª‰”Å148–œ•”(”N“à150–œ•”)
@@@ HUNTER~HUNTER@@@ 24Šª‰”Å140–œ•”(”N“à149–œ•”)
@@@ BLEACH@@@@@@@ 31Šª‰”Å131–œ•”(”N“à131–œ•”)
@@@ D.Gray-man@@@@@@13Šª‰”Å70–œ•”(”N“à70–œ•”)
@@@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@21Šª‰”Å62–œ•”(”N“à65–œ•”)
@@@ ƒsƒ…[‚Ɛ‚­IƒWƒƒƒK[13Šª‰”Å32–œ•”(”N“à33–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”Å‚±‚¿‹T@@@90Šª‰”Å24–œ•”(”N“à24–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”ŃWƒ‡ƒWƒ‡@@ 63Šª‰”Å6–œ•”(”N“à6–œ•”)
@@@ —õ‰¿Œy‘•”Ń^[‚¿‚á‚ñ@ 10Šª‰”Å6–œ•”(”N“à6–œ•”)
4/29@ ƒeƒjƒX‚̉¤Žq—l@@@@@@4100–œ•”
4/24@ To LOVE‚é|‚Æ‚ç‚Ô‚é|@@@350–œ•”
4/9@@ONE PIECE@@@@@@@@47Šª‰”Å244–œ•”
@@@ HUNTER~HUNTER@@@@@ 25Šª‰”Å152–œ•”
@@@ NARUTO@@@@@@@@@ 41Šª‰”Å150–œ•”
@@@ BLEACH@@@@@@@@@ 27Šª‰”Å131–œ•”
@@@ D.Gray-man@@@@@@@@12Šª‰”Å74–œ•”
@@@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@22Šª‰”Å65–œ•”
@@@ ‰Æ’닳Žtƒqƒbƒgƒ}ƒ“REBORN@18Šª‰”Å62–œ•”
@@@ ƒAƒCƒV[ƒ‹ƒh21@@@@@@24Šª‰”Å51–œ•”
@@@ ƒeƒjƒX‚̉¤Žq—l@@@@@@38Šª‰”Å49–œ•”
@@@ BLUE DRAGON@ƒ‰ƒ‹ƒ¶ƒOƒ‰ƒh@1Šª‰”Å40–œ•”
4/4@@NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 7900–œ•”
3/12@ NARUTO @@@@@@@@@ 8200–œ•”
3/5@ D.Gray-man@@@@ 1200–œ•”
@@@ ƒeƒjƒX‚̉¤Žq—l@@@@@@4060–œ•”
3/2@ –‚l’T’ã”]ŠšƒlƒEƒ@@@@ 350–œ•”
@@@ To LOVE‚é|‚Æ‚ç‚Ô‚é|@@@270–œ•”
2/6@@HUNTER~HUNTER @@@@@ 4500–œ•”
1/31@ ROOKIES@@@@@@@@@ 1200–œ•”
@@@ ‹â°@@@@@@@@@@@2000–œ•”
@ @@ONE PIECE @@ @@1‰­4000–œ•”
1/4@@To LOVE‚é|‚Æ‚ç‚Ô‚é|@@@230–œ•”

WTF?

though thanks for trying. I just mainly want to see the Naruto sales since it started in 1999 and overall the other manga sales. :)

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

What browser are you using? Did you try and translate the page?

[Weapon_X]

I'm using Firefox.

[Kaiten]

Please stay on topic.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Does a character poll always happen on a series anniversary or can it happen anytime, and does it always happen every year or can the author decided not to have a poll at that year?

[Rejuvenation]

KochiKame
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Inumaru
Medaka
Toriko
Bakuman
Akaboshi
ToLoveRu

I would have been satisfied if Medaka and Toriko could have switched with Inumaru and Kuroko. Close but not close enough. =/

[StrangerAtaru]

Does a character poll always happen on a series anniversary or can it happen anytime, and does it always happen every year or can the author decided not to have a poll at that year?

It usually can happen any time but it just is done around anniversaries due to probably how easy it is to do it then.

[cleodux]

I like Akaboshi, i think it is too soon to judge it >.< anyway isn't the ToC list is from 8 weeks ago vote? Hmm then thats mean Akaboshi was voted at chap2 (low ranking) and probably will stay low untill the first arc start.

Personally i can stomach Akaboshi better then Mago (recently just start to read) probably because Mago earlier scans are kind of bad. So i hope Akaboshi can last a while.

[Kaiten]

It's very rare for a series to be first or second from the bottom from chapter 1 on then rise to a respectable position quick enough to avoid cancellation. Assume that Akaboshi has been rejected by Japanese fandom, will not recover, and will end between chapter 15 and 20. I've never seen anything preform this badly, have no buffer, and survive.

[Siberia]

I have read some discussions from chinese forums n there are heaps of bad comments on Akaboshi. but.......I do hope Akaboshi can stay a bit longer....

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's very rare for a series to be first or second from the bottom from chapter 1 on then rise to a respectable position quick enough to avoid cancellation. Assume that Akaboshi has been rejected by Japanese fandom, will not recover, and will end between chapter 15 and 20. I've never seen anything preform this badly, have no buffer, and survive.

I don't think I've ever seen anything fall down so quickly and then become successful, but P2 did drop about as quickly and then managed to last for a whole year. So there is a possibility that Akaboshi could last somewhat longer, although it would probably require something else bombing worse or an established series coming to an end.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Kaiten's right here, there's really nothing special about Akaboshi separating it from the dozens of other series that've bombed this early on in the running.

Pretty much every time a new series that gets any semblance of a fandom here is failing, a few people will say that it's getting better and could pick up at any time. But outside of VERY rare exceptions it never happens.

[Finestela]

ToC by Himajin of 2ch




463 ：五代目暇人 ◆2YGyF6T8YE ：2009/07/22(水) 14:29:57 ID:3e7bXpvU0
35号

ぬるぽ（表紙＋巻頭）
わんぴ
鰤
ぬるり
りぼん
輪島にア（センタ）
金玉
べるぜ
ヘタマン
明治（めんどくさい　読みきりセンタ）
鍵人
サイレン
あねどき
こち亀（センタ）
スケット
黒子
いぬまる
めだか
トリコ
バクマン
赤星
とらぶる
ジャガー




2009-35

Naruto (Cover + Lead CP)
One Piece
Bleach
Mago
Reborn
Wajimania (CP)
Gitama
Beelze
Hetappi Manga
Golden Future One-Shot (CP)
Kagijin
Psyren
Ane-Doki
KochiKame (CP)
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Inumaru
Medaka
Toriko
Bakuman
Akaboshi
ToLoveRu
Jaguar

[Koshi_Inaba]

HOLY SHIT! Mago is so high! Can this raise in TOC result in increasing sales?

[Kaiten]

Go Mago!! Two straight weeks in the top five!

[Rejuvenation]

ToC by Himajin of 2ch




2009-35

Naruto (Cover + Lead CP)
One Piece
Bleach
Mago
Reborn
Wajimania (CP)
Gitama
Beelze
Hetappi Manga
Golden Future One-Shot (CP)
Kagijin
Psyren
Ane-Doki
KochiKame (CP)
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Inumaru
Medaka
Toriko
Bakuman
Akaboshi
ToLoveRu
Jaguar

Bleach ended up rising to the top 5 again. It is enjoyable to see it knocked off by better series though.

Gintama switches with Bakuman into the top 5 again although the lower end of it.

Reborn is #4 and Mago still flying high at #3. If this isn't a sign the mangaka should stop paying so much attention to Rikuo's little friends I don't know what is. >.>

Beelzebub outside of the top 5 with Psyren right after is good with me.

Sket is a bit lower and damn you Kuroko, get back in the bottom next to Akaboshi.

[cleodux]

*sweats* looks like it is almost time to say bye bye to Akaboshi?

[Drmke]

Of course Mago so high is probably the greatest thing about this whole ToC :D

Also, I'm glad Kagijin is higher than Ane Doki, even though they aren't ranked yet, because I think its a better series so far.

And what is the name of the one-shot?

[Estranho]

One Shot's name is "Meiji Hyakkiya Kôten Dengi"

[Maxy Barnard]

1 One Piece
2 Bleach
3 Mago
4 Reborn
5 Gitama
6 Beelze
7 Psyren
8 Sket Dance
9 Kuroko
10 Inumaru
11 Medaka
12 Toriko
13 Bakuman
14 Akaboshi
15 ToLoveRu

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Wow go Mago.

I think Reborn and Toriko are the only positions I'd change on this one.

[StrangerAtaru]

Top five for Mago...not sure what the "little friends" bit is talking about (classmates or yokai?), but it is a good thing to see the series getting this much respect as of late. That, Gintama in top five and OP on top is respectable in my head.

[Rejuvenation]

Top five for Mago...not sure what the "little friends" bit is talking about (classmates or yokai?), but it is a good thing to see the series getting this much respect as of late. That, Gintama in top five and OP on top is respectable in my head.

His classmates. The yokai aspect of his life and his dealings with them is infinitely more interesting than his classmates' random searches and interactions. (Outside of Yura)

And I agree on it getting more respect. This boost in popularity came at a good time for it.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Yeah, the classmates can be annoying sometime, but they can help better the story when done right, such as the one with Sodemogi-sama. But seriously, this time it's going to be an epic battle between Youkai groups, they don't have any place in it.

I just hope the improving TOC can help increase it's sales

[pandaaqueen]

I'm quite pleased with this TOC ;-)

[sir_arles]

ToC by Himajin of 2ch

463 ：五代目暇人 ◆2YGyF6T8YE ：2009/07/22(水) 14:29:57 ID:3e7bXpvU0
35号

ぬるぽ（表紙＋巻頭）
わんぴ
鰤
ぬるり
りぼん
輪島にア（センタ）
金玉
べるぜ
ヘタマン
明治（めんどくさい　読みきりセンタ）
鍵人
サイレン
あねどき
こち亀（センタ）
スケット
黒子
いぬまる
めだか
トリコ
バクマン
赤星
とらぶる
ジャガー



2009-35

Naruto (Cover + Lead CP)
One Piece
Bleach
Mago
Reborn
Wajimania (CP)
Gitama
Beelze
Hetappi Manga
Golden Future One-Shot (CP)
Kagijin
Psyren
Ane-Doki
KochiKame (CP)
Sket Dance
Kuroko
Inumaru
Medaka
Toriko
Bakuman
Akaboshi
ToLoveRu
Jaguar


Why is "ぬるぽ" (nurupo) translated as Naruto? :blink

[kewl0210]

A lot of the names are sorta jokes when they're written. Gintama is always written "Kintama". Bleach it always abbreviated "Buri" in kanji, with the kanji for yellowtail. About everything else it just shortened.

The TOC's like half not-ranked series. Which is kinda weird. Besides Toriko being so low and Mago being so high. Everything else is relatively normal unless you count how Gintama and Reborn are high after being low for a while. Also Inumaru Dashi's kinda low and Bleach is in the third place spot again.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Reborn 8 weeks ago would have been the start of the Choice Battle after having been spending the previous months on training and character development. So that would account for it going back up towards the top of the TOC.

[Negative Syndicate]

I'm glad to see that Mago is so high. Now, I'm hoping that Mago to get another colour page, Mago didn't get colour for long time. Now, I think it is good time to get another colour page.

Also, I think One Piece should change into unranked series. Everyone knows that One Piece is currently a greatest manga, and it mostly take first place in ranking (well sometimes drop to second by Naruto).So, I think there is no point that One Piece still get ranked.

Lastly, I'm going to make prediction that Bakuman will move up to top 5 and Gintama will move down to bottom 5 in next issue.

[Finestela]

Why is "ぬるぽ" (nurupo) translated as Naruto? :blink

It's just the way Himajin warps the names into something funny ;)
Same way Ko-neta writes a "@" for Naruto.

You should see the ToC back when Neuro was still running... Himajin always censor it with 3 "O" or leave the spot blank :p It was originated from one of his exchanges with someone at 2ch, that prompted him to do that.

[Siberia]

the total volume sales of one piece exceeded that of dragonball.
one piece 1-53(volumes) 158,000,000(volumes sold)
dragonball 1-42 150,000,000
naruto 1-46 90,000,000
bleach 1-38 56,000,000
hunterXhunter 1-24 46,000,000
reborn 1-23 19,000,000
d.gray-man 1-15 14,000,000

source:http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/rank0.html

発行部数 means the volume of circulation rather than sales....but its also a good indicator of how many JUMP would expect to sell.

[Koshi_Inaba]

the total volume sales of one piece exceeded that of dragonball.
one piece 1-53(volumes) 158,000,000(volumes sold)
dragonball 1-42 150,000,000
naruto 1-46 90,000,000
bleach 1-38 56,000,000
hunterXhunter 1-24 46,000,000
reborn 1-23 19,000,000
d.gray-man 1-15 14,000,000

source:http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/rank0.html
Can you tell me all the series below D.gray-man and it's total sales?

[StrangerAtaru]

Considering that we probably don't want every Jump series ever done by this, I'll just stick with the current runs (and add in a few that weren't mentioned prior):

-OP: 158mil
-KochiKame: 150mil
-Naruto: 90mil
-Bleach: 56mil
-HxH: 46mil
-Gintama: 25mil (interesting that it's actually above Reborn)
-ES21: 20mil
-Reborn: 19mil
-D.Gray: 14mil
-Jaguar: 7.5mil
-To-Love: 5mil
-Bakuman/Toriko/Mago: 1.3mil (each)

[Siberia]

Considering that we probably don't want every Jump series ever done by this, I'll just stick with the current runs (and add in a few that weren't mentioned prior):

-OP: 158mil
-KochiKame: 150mil
-Naruto: 90mil
-Bleach: 56mil
-HxH: 46mil
-Gintama: 25mil (interesting that it's actually above Reborn)
-ES21: 20mil
-Reborn: 19mil
-D.Gray: 14mil
-Jaguar: 7.5mil
-To-Love: 5mil
-Bakuman/Toriko/Mago: 1.3mil (each)

becoz it counted 28 volumes for Gintama, 23volumes for reborn!, 15 volumes for D.gray man

[pandaaqueen]

-Gintama: 25mil (interesting that it's actually above Reborn)


Not that surprising. Gintama has published more volumes so far.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

They put a shiny effect for the WSJ cover.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6871/wqdjluq50.jpg

[ttxdragon]

Since I think this says a bit more, even if it doesn't take the time the volumes are out already into consideration, here the averages:

manga vols in circulation average per vol
------------------------------------------------------
one piece 53 158,000,000 2,981,132
dragonball 42 150,000,000 3,571,429
naruto 46 90,000,000 1,956,522
bleach 38 56,000,000 1,473,684
hunterXhunter 24 46,000,000 1,916,667
gintama 28 25,000,000 892,857
eyeshield21 35 20,000,000 571,428
reborn 23 19,000,000 826,086
d.gray-man 15 14,000,000 933,333

Gintama doing well is always great =3

[fxu]

Dragonball is more popular.

Considering it's 11 volumes below OnePiece and only an 8mil difference... and the fact that there are more manga readers nowadays than in the 80s-90s.

Still, an impressive feat.

[Koshi_Inaba]

Looks like Reborn gonna pass eyeshield and catch up to gintama. Well, quite understandable because Jump been pushing reborn's tankoubon for release, it's tankoubon catching up quickly to it's chapter compare to other manga in Jump.
D.Gray-man would have pass gintama and reborn had it not been on hiatus.

[Black Lagoon]

One piece is second (popularity), well.

[shadowfoxes_21]

im excited for the dengi one shot! and all the other golden future winners :DD

[pandaaqueen]

The sales figures of D.Gray-man are pretty impressive, imo. If there hadn't been any hiatuses, then the circulation of its volumes would have definitely surpassed Reborn's by far.

[Symbolic Zero]

I'm impressed too about DGM, the average per volume is really high (near a million! OMG!! :worship2 )

[Heiji-sama]

Shûeisha :
Kochi Kame #165 :
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/kotikame165.gif

Naruto #47 :
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/naruto47.gif

Bleach #40
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/bleach40.gif

Eyeshield 21 #36
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/eyeshield36.gif

To Love #15
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/toloveru15.gif

Sket Dance #09
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/sketdance9.gif

Psyren #07
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/psyren7.gif

Nuraryon no Mago #06
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/nurarihyon6.gif

Toriko #05
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/toriko5.gif

Baku-man #04
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/bakuman4.gif

Neuro #23 (Fin) :
http://www.shonenjump.com/e/comics/img/cover/neuro23.gif

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Toriko and Neuro's are my favorites this time.

I would've liked Naruto's more if he wasn't taking up the center of it.

[Estranho]

If the Neuro's tankoubon were release, that means the scanlators will finish it, finally! \o/

I'd like to see a composition with Mago's covers...

[StrangerAtaru]

I like KochiKame's I admit: it's simple, it's innocent but it works. Same goes for Neuro, perfectly conveying the end of that series.

[Rejuvenation]

I really like the Toriko, Mago, and Eyeshield covers. Naruto's is alright too. Ah, the end of Neuro. This should mean we finally get to read it.

[Mr. Prince]

It's Sunny.......finally *fanboy is pleased with Toriko's*
Mago's, Eyeshield's and even Naruto's are done amazingly as well.
Kochikame's just classic.

[Maxy Barnard]

Kochikame, Sket Dance, Love Trouble (shut up Celine is awesome) and Neuro are the best covers this time around.

Toriko and Bakuman both underwhelm me for once

[Drmke]

I really like Naruto's and Mago's the best this time around.

But the Bleach (surprisingly) and Eyeshield ones are pretty cool too.

[coinanmat]

Hello im new here but I wanted to say its a great service that is provided by scanning and translating WSJ manga. I like Bleach (actually im a huge fan) but I also like Naruto, One Piece, Bakuman, D Gray Man. I also have a question, In upcoming issues of Shonen Jump there is going to be a series of One Shots, does anyone scan and translate the one shots?, because I can never find them

[Negative Syndicate]

So, new volumes for 2008 series are coming at once. I wonder how they going to do in the sales. Also, I didn't expect three Karas brothers are on Mago's new volume's cover. I expected Yosuzume.

[coinanmat]

I just found out that Viz media plans to serialize Bakuman and Toriko in the English Shonen Jump magazine. It was just anounced today at SDCC
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-07-24/viz-shonen-jump-adds-bakuman-toriko-manga
I sent in a letter to them a month ago asking if they could bring over Bakuman and i guess they answered.

[Drmke]

Sweet! I'm so excited about them licensing Bakuman and Toriko.

I'm more excited about Bakuman though. Never thought they would get them this fast.

Now, if only they would hurry up and get Mago........though that one would probably be a graphic novel release only.

[coinanmat]

Well serialization wont begin untill next year but this is exciting news.

[Drmke]

Well serialization wont begin untill next year but this is exciting news.

Yeah I figured that, but its still a hell of a lot faster than I thought they would get licensed.

[Jabberwocky]

I never expect Toriko to be licensed so fast.

[StrangerAtaru]

About time we get new series in US Jump...Toriko's a bit of a surprise but it is the series they're trying to push, but Bakuman just felt confirmed the moment it started.

[coinanmat]

^Heck yeach because its by the Death Note creators so of course it was going to instantly be a smash hit. And remember that Ultimo is being serialized in the magazine and that just started Serialization in Jump SQ this year.

[kewl0210]

Lotta these covers are pretty cool really. Naruto's has a nice affect, really. Bleach's looks cool, the way Ulquorria is colored and shaded...

Eyeshield's looks like the last one really. It's mostly just the main guy, Sena.

Sket Dance's in Psyrens look... the same?

Toriko's is nice, with Sani and all. He's got I guess, jewels or something. It's more like the style of the first two, with just characters.

Bakuman's I think looks good. I dunno how they're gonna keep this up, though. If they'll continue putting a character on each or what... Fukuda was drawn small on V3 and there are only a few other characters in all... So who could be on the next cover? Hattori I'd think, but he kinda isn't too important in the next 10 issues.

And Neuro's ending looks good for an ending cover.

[Tru_TO]

how long do you people think Gintama will last for?

[Negative Syndicate]

I just found out that Psyren's volume 7's cover can connect to Psyren's volume 6's cover.

[Rejuvenation]

After looking at them again, I like most of the covers really. The only one I don't care for at all is Bleach's. But that is hardly a surprise.

Nice to hear Bakuman and Toriko got licensed. Bakuman has the Ohba/Obata tag so it was a matter of "when?" for it. I'm actually surprised on Toriko though. This is way earlier than expected but I hope it manages to take off over here.

[Kaiten]

Now, if only they would hurry up and get Mago........though that one would probably be a graphic novel release only.

U.S. Shonen Jump serializes every licensed series in the magazine for a limited amount of time. Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, and Yu - Gi - Oh! All other series rotate out as new series move in.

So, so glad Toriko and Bakuman were licensed so quickly. Both deserve to be. Hopefully Mago, Psyren, and Neuro will follow.

[Drmke]

U.S. Shonen Jump serializes every licensed series in the magazine for a limited amount of time. Bleach, One Piece, Naruto, and Yu - Gi - Oh! All other series rotate out as new series move in.

So, so glad Toriko and Bakuman were licensed so quickly. Both deserve to be. Hopefully Mago, Psyren, and Neuro will follow.

What I meant was, they will probably just run the first chapter as a preview like they do for most of their manga titles. Then release it in graphic novel form every two or three months.

[Kaiten]

I see what your saying. Mago will probably get more then that; Tegami Bachi has had three chapters so far, all of volume 1 and the first chapter of volume 2.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

I'm not very optimistic about Neuro at this point, but Psyren and Mago seem like very good bets.

I could see Psyren in particular getting a lot of promotion down the road.

[Jabberwocky]

I remember Slam Dunk got a few chapters in Viz's shonen Jump.

[Kaiten]

It was but I forget how many chapters. It was replaced by Tegami Bachi which will most likely be replaced, along with Waq Waq, by Bakuman and Toriko.

[StrangerAtaru]

The only series that I'm surprised still hasn't been brought over yet it To-Love. It has a significant fanbase, Yabuki is well known (and Black Cat did sell) and ecchi does sell...the only problem is sometimes it gets a bit too ecchi which could be a negative.

But somehow with Toriko and Bakuman, it could be a good sign for the future of Jump...but the sign being that it is more interested in finding "the next big thing" than really going back into and finding some older, interesting series to show off. (since most really don't sell unless the base is established...and even then it could get screwed up like Ultimate Muscle/Kinnikuman Nisei...or JoJo...or Bo-bobo)

[Kaiten]

I still think ToRa will come over. Rosari, also ecchi is now one of the biggest U.S. series, Black Cat remains a major title (as you said), and a strong online fanbase. I think they'll wait until Black Cat ends or maybe a little before.

JoJo's and St. Seiya screwed things up for the old school series. The terrible quality of the U.S. editions damned both to low sales, scaring VIZ off. Unless Inoue or Fujisaki are involved.

[fxu]

If Psyren ever gets licensed over here, I will sign up to the magazine, and I'll re-buy the volumes in English.

That's how good it is.

[Digital_Eon]

I thought Waq Waq just had a one-chapter preview. And they'd BETTER not stop seralizing Tegami Bachi. That's one reason I'm still buying the magazine.

YYH is nearing the end of its run, though, so maybe one of the series will replace that.

[StrangerAtaru]

I still think ToRa will come over. Rosari, also ecchi is now one of the biggest U.S. series, Black Cat remains a major title (as you said), and a strong online fanbase. I think they'll wait until Black Cat ends or maybe a little before.

JoJo's and St. Seiya screwed things up for the old school series. The terrible quality of the U.S. editions damned both to low sales, scaring VIZ off. Unless Inoue or Fujisaki are involved.

I think at this point Viz should maybe think about giving an approach more like how Vertical handles older series if they want to try and maybe improve or increase or get interest in something that isn't just out there the last couple years. Slam Dunk is a good start but let's face it: Inoue is one of the biggest names in Jump and they put a ton to make sure that it would be well known and out there before switching to it's bi-monthly format. JoJo was screwed up in being done the "Bo-bobo" format (yes, Jotaro's story is important and the most well known but the series really should have had those first two parts and reached out to the JoJo community at large and fans of series influenced by it) and St. Seiya (which was both a combination of age and DiC not knowing what they were doing in trying to release and "improve" a 20 year old anime destroying it).

[Negative Syndicate]

I found interesting information in 2ch.



●1999年
43号　NARUTO（456話*）
44号　Romancers（19話）
●2000年
47号　純情パイン（13話）
48号　りりむキッス（24話）
49号　バカバカしいの！（12話）
●2001年
42号　I'm A Faker!（11話）
43号　グラン･バガン（11話）
●2002年
44号　Ａ･Ｏ･Ｎ（10話）
45号　Ultra red（34話）
●2003年
41号　戦国乱破伝サソリ（12話）
42号　サラブレッドと呼ばないで（13話）
43号　神撫手（13話）
●2004年
40号　waqwaq（34話）
●2005年
44号　べしゃり暮らし（28話→移籍）
45号　大泥棒ポルタ（15話）
●2006年
43号　Ｐ２！（58話）
44号　HAND'S（10話）
●2007年
44号　初恋限定（32話）
●2008年
42号　チャゲチャ（８話）
43号　アスクレピオス（19話）


●1999
Issue 43: Naruto (456 chapters~ongoing)
Issue 44: Romancers (19 chapters)
●2000
Issue 47: Junjyou Pain (13 chapters)
Issue 48: Lilim Kiss (24 chapters)
Issue 49: Bakabaka Shiino (12 chapters)
●2001
Issue 42: I'm a Faker! (11 chapters)
Issue 43: Gran･Bagan (11 chapters)
●2002
Issue 44: A･O･N (10 chapters)
Issue 45: Ultra red (34 chapters)
●2003
Issue 41: Sengoku Lappaden Sasori (12 chapters)
Issue 42: Salabreddo to Yobanaide (13 chapters)
Issue 43: Kannade (13 chapters)
●2004
Issue 40: waqwaq (34 chapters)
●2005
Issue 44: Beshari Gurashi (28 chapters~moved & ongoing)
Issue 45: Oodorobou Polta (15 chapters)
●2006
Issue 43: P2! (58 chapters)
Issue 44: HAND'S (10 chapters)
●2007
Issue 44: Hatsukoi Limited (32 chapters)
●2008
Issue 42: Chagecha (8 chapters)
Issue 43: Asklepios (19 chapters)

In past ten years, almost all of the new series in fall didn't do very well. The longest one in fall series (except Naruto and Beshari Gurashi) is P2!, which lasted about one year. I wonder fall series in this year going to be another failure again, or have a successful series. I mostly want to be failed because current ongoing series are really good, and I don't want to see any of them to be axed. So, I really don't mind if new fall series going to a pillow for current series.

[coinanmat]

So if this is a trend, then some of the new Series that just started in WSJ might not last long.

[StrangerAtaru]

So if this is a trend, then some of the new Series that just started in WSJ might not last long.

But it's not fall yet. Wait until after Bon before we see what happens with whatever comes out then.

[Negative Syndicate]

So if this is a trend, then some of the new Series that just started in WSJ might not last long.

Actually, the series that just started are not a fall series. Usually fall series started about after issue 40, so we might get news about another new series line-up after the Golden Future Cup.

[Rejuvenation]

That is actually a pretty interesting trend. Depending on what series come next, they may not live beyond the first cut. >.>


The only series that I'm surprised still hasn't been brought over yet it To-Love. It has a significant fanbase, Yabuki is well known (and Black Cat did sell) and ecchi does sell...the only problem is sometimes it gets a bit too ecchi which could be a negative.

But somehow with Toriko and Bakuman, it could be a good sign for the future of Jump...but the sign being that it is more interested in finding "the next big thing" than really going back into and finding some older, interesting series to show off. (since most really don't sell unless the base is established...and even then it could get screwed up like Ultimate Muscle/Kinnikuman Nisei...or JoJo...or Bo-bobo)

What happened with Kinnikuman Nisei? Other than the lack of promotion compared to other Jump titles I mean?

[coinanmat]

I don't see Viz getting To-Love because I think its a bit to suggestive even if it was a SJA (Shonen Jump Advanced) title. Viz does seem to have a code of ethics for the content of the manga it publishes. I noticed in To Love there are numerous scenes with Girls touching each other in explicit ways. I could be wrong though. I am glad that they did get Toriko and Bakuman because this is significant for Jump because those series are still running in the Japanese version of Jump. In the past Viz got hand-me-downs so to say because the series they ran in SJ already ended in WSJ. I have to say the English Jump magazine has come a long way since it started in 2003. I remember buying the magazine when the Dragon Ball manga was in it then I stopped when they took it out. I only started buying the magazine again because I started taking a liking to Bleach and Naruto.

In the case of the Japanese magazine, I think its difficult for new manga series to survive not only in the Fall but any time of the year is because they have to compete against Shonen Jump allstars like Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, etc. that of course are hugely popular. Especially Naruto because it seems both Shonen Jump magazines love it do death JK

[Crude]

I think it was obvious that Bakuman and Toriko would be serialized in the US. They're both really popular and sell very well.

[coinanmat]

^Well yeah, there is a forumula for getting manga in the US. If a series becomes popular in Japan and sells well, then it is imported to the US where it will continue to sell well.

[Digital_Eon]

Hatsukoi wasn't really a failure, was it? I thought it had a regular, planned ending - and it got an anime on top of that. But even with that, it looks like there's a bad trend for fall series. I hope we don't see anything particularly interesting in the next batch of new series (that, or the cycle breaks this year).

[Drmke]

I see what your saying. Mago will probably get more then that; Tegami Bachi has had three chapters so far, all of volume 1 and the first chapter of volume 2.

I was thinking they might do Mago like D. Gray-man or Hunter x Hunter. Just show a small preview and try to sell it fast. Both of those sell really well and only had a small preview in the magazine.

If they did do an extended preview, I don't see it being more than one volume. So far, Slam Dunk and Gintama are the only ones that have gotten an extended preview.

Tegami Bachi seems like its there to stay unless popularity drops. I mean it wouldn't be a good series to release in graphic novel format only because the tanks come out so slow in Japan that it could risk hurting the fan base over here.

[StrangerAtaru]

What happened with Kinnikuman Nisei? Other than the lack of promotion compared to other Jump titles I mean?

Considering that the series was rather censored at first (it was a Weekly Playboy series toned down for Jump audiences even if it was SJA) and the anime sort of was fading into the BG of notability as the manga started up...let alone not too many aside those who loved Nisei or were getting into Kinnikuman (and that the original Kinnikuman never really came out here in any way shape or form aside the M.U.S.C.L.E. toys of the past), it sort of faded away to the BG. Sure it's still being released and is way less censored, but now there's only about 2 or 3 volumes released a year...let alone no sign Viz is going to go into the Tag arc still running in Playboy. (which actually adds a subtitle and restarts the numbering at "1" even if it's still the same story)

Though I would actually love it if they did maybe do older Jump series in some form in the US, it seems they sort of got really less obsessed in releasing stuff after most of it really just faded away and only focused on stuff like a restart of Slam Dunk. I sort of frown on how much history is still being ignored, I guess it just never makes sense in a sales manner unless they do it right. (whether it be a Vertical-style release...or maybe do KochiKame in a manner of a "greatest hits" release akin to Oshinbo's been getting as of late since that's still going even if it's from the mid-70s to today)

[Kaiten]

Hatsukoi wasn't really a failure, was it? I thought it had a regular, planned ending - and it got an anime on top of that. But even with that, it looks like there's a bad trend for fall series. I hope we don't see anything particularly interesting in the next batch of new series (that, or the cycle breaks this year).

Popular enough for a posthumous anime, at least. Hard to call that failure. And I agree; not canceled but a planned ending. Considering she started to resolving the various plots a good 15 chapters before it ended, then ended it with no loose ends, I find it hard to believe it was canceled.

[coinanmat]

If you want to talk about a manga that was a failure, Tite Kubo's Zombie Powder takes the cake because it only had 4 volumes and then it was canceled. I guess that was a good thing though because his next series, Bleach, became a international smash hit.

[Digital_Eon]

If you want to talk about a manga that was a failure, Tite Kubo's Zombie Powder takes the cake because it only had 4 volumes and then it was canceled. I guess that was a good thing though because his next series, Bleach, became a international smash hit.

That's a much bigger hit than the series that didn't last longer than eight or nine chapters.

[SSJWill4]

In past ten years, almost all of the new series in fall didn't do very well. The longest one in fall series (except Naruto and Beshari Gurashi) is P2!, which lasted about one year. I wonder fall series in this year going to be another failure again, or have a successful series. I mostly want to be failed because current ongoing series are really good, and I don't want to see any of them to be axed. So, I really don't mind if new fall series going to a pillow for current series.

Interesting data, but I look at it just as a coincidence. Dragon Quest Dai appeared in Issue 45 of 1989 and Yu-Gi-Oh in Issue 42 of 1996, and those series became very popular. Just because there hasn't been a fall series that has become a mega hit recently doesn't mean we should write off these new series as automatic failures. I'm sure Shueisha isn't.

[Sloggett]

Great news that both Toriko and Bakuman are licensed. Although it was kind of a given that Viz got some new sjump series on board.

Following series have just finished up for viz or are about to:
Black Cat (Last Vol Out Now)
Dr. Slump (Last Vol. Out Now)
Dragon Drive (Last Vol. Out Now)
Kurohime (Nov 09)
Whistle! (Jan 2010)
Nora (Feb 2010)
Saint Seiya (Feb 2010)
YuYu Hakusho (March 2010)

You also have series like 'Muhyo & Roji's Bureau of Supernatural Investigation' and 'Hikaru no Go' with a few volumes left.

Not to forget that some of their main series have now caught up with the Japanese releases which means months with out new volumes of their big series on shelf.

HunterXHunter and Naruto have already caught up and D Gray Man will have caught up by mid next year. So Viz really need some new big series.

Shaman King, Eyeshield 2, Hoshin Engi and a few others are nearing their ends soon too.So I wouldn't be surprised if we have some more announcements come early/mid next year. My bets are on Nero, Psyren and Mago. But I guess only time will tell.

[Kaiten]

Mago, Psyren, To Love Ru, and Sket Dance sound reasonable for current series, Neuro for completed. I'd like to see Rookies imported but American companies are real skittish about bringing sports manga and delinquent manga.