Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[hills100]

Preview Shônen Jump #19 :
http://img203.imagevenue.com/loc533/th_49626_Preview001_122_533lo.jpg (http://img203.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=49626_Preview001_122_533lo.jpg)http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc491/th_49628_Preview002_122_491lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=49628_Preview002_122_491lo.jpg)

thanks :):)
can anyone translate?

[Maxy Barnard]

beelzebub has a sizable space on the preview page? how peculiar.

[kewl0210]

Translate... hm...
It doesn't say much just like "what's gonna happen!" sorta things. It says Inumari dashi and Toriko have the center colors and the rest are just regular ads.

I have a few issues of Jump onhand, generally the ones listed there do really well in the TOC. The ones that aren't color pages, I mean. So Bakuman, OP, Psyren and Kuroko.
Not NECESSARILY comprising the top 5, but amoung them.
I'm checking these and all of them were in the top 7~ or else had a color page or something. Neuro a couple issues ago had like a super-long chapter, 16 I think. But they don't necessarily list all of em. Like Reborn was in the last few top 5s and wasn't in the previews except when it had color pages.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

There's some mention of a mini-databook for Naruto or something, or is that not true?

[kewl0210]

Yeah, i can't figure out what that is... lemme see...
"File Supplement"
"Book in Book"
Naruto 10th Chronicle
読めばNARUTO 10年の歴使が丸分かり
I can't really tell what it means, I dunno.
It's a 36 page mini-book of some sort.

[SSJWill4]

Well, the newest To Love chapter was another pointless one. There was not even the slightest hint of a final arc as the last chapter kind of alluded to. Plus, chapter 15 of Bokke is to...start a new arc? Doesn't look like it's rushing to an ending after all...I wonder even more now what the next cuts will be. Maybe just Neuro and Hoopmen?

[StrangerAtaru]

To-Love I think is just To-Love. It just will probably make up an ending at the drop of a hat if it needs to. Sad, really, considering the first year's potential.

Somehow or another I sort of wished at this point Jump took some pointers from Mag and Sunday and let series have a bit of time before chopping them off. That way we would at least know and give it time before just wasting them without any real idea when the rushed ending is going to come. (if not never if it finally catches on)

[Rejuvenation]

If Jump did take a number from their book it would at least allow series to shape up better. However, it also means that there would be less new series appearing and if a series is shit it lives longer. XD

Hm, maybe if they allowed 20 chapters instead of around 10 it could work better.

[eni]

I have no problem with series getting kicked out off the magazine. My complain is that those series always will be discontinued by default although their volume sales are fairly good. Why not allowing the mangaka to continue via volume releases?

Yes, the Japanese comic market is focusing on this magazine schema but I can't understand why they can't allow at least continuations for the sake of a more suitable story end. It's not only for the mangaka but also as a responsibility towards the fans who bought the volumes from the very start. No wonder when newcomer sell badly at the beginning or who wants to start collecting something that has a high chance of getting abandoned? I'm not willing to take the risk of having a not even half finished series in my shelf. Wasted time and money, IMHO.

They don't need to let mag canceled series run for 40 volumes but when the first volumes sales where on an acceptable level, they could at the very least give the mangaka 2-3 volumes outside of the magazine to prepare a non-rushed ending as a fallback.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I feel that any ending is rushed if the manga ends before the mangaka wanted it to. I would assume most serialized manga aren't intended to last 5 volumes, so to me, it is impossible to make an ending not feel rushed, even if they are given some extra volumes. I guess there can be some exceptions like Shaman King or something...

[Kaiten]

I like what Sunday did with Hyde and Closer and Golden Age; rather then cancel them they were moved online where they continue every other week. Jump lags far behind in webcomics for now. Sunday and Gangan have launched full, online magazines. It would have been a good way to save series like Double Arts or Mx0, series that weren't completely rejected but were never entirely accepted by Jump's readers.

[Maxy Barnard]

in all fairness SQ does that too, it's only WSJ that doesn't seem to know the most obvious ideas

[Rejuvenation]

I have no problem with series getting kicked out off the magazine. My complain is that those series always will be discontinued by default although their volume sales are fairly good. Why not allowing the mangaka to continue via volume releases?

Yes, the Japanese comic market is focusing on this magazine schema but I can't understand why they can't allow at least continuations for the sake of a more suitable story end. It's not only for the mangaka but also as a responsibility towards the fans who bought the volumes from the very start. No wonder when newcomer sell badly at the beginning or who wants to start collecting something that has a high chance of getting abandoned? I'm not willing to take the risk of having a not even half finished series in my shelf. Wasted time and money, IMHO.

They don't need to let mag canceled series run for 40 volumes but when the first volumes sales where on an acceptable level, they could at the very least give the mangaka 2-3 volumes outside of the magazine to prepare a non-rushed ending as a fallback.

You know I actually like this idea. Honestly, what is the harm in letting someone continue exclusively in volumes so they can wrap up their story?

Double Arts is a good example since its volumes sold a lot anyway.

[Kaiten]

in all fairness SQ does that too, it's only WSJ that doesn't seem to know the most obvious ideas

I forgot about SQ. Is Kurohime still published online?

[Imitorar]

Actually, letting cancelled series finish as volumes probably wouldn't be a good idea, because it's rather rare for a series to be so unpopular in the magazine from the beginning and still have tankobon sales high enough to make printing two more volumes worth it. Double Arts is a notable exception, and I wouldn't be surprised if Shueisha has come to regret cancelling it a bit, but do you think that Asklepios's volumes sold well? What about Hitomi no Catoblepas, or Muddy? They did badly in the magazine and badly as tankobon. Why waste money printing more things that won't sell well when you could just start a new series that people might actually like? Although an online finish would be good for things like Mx0 or Double Arts, which had relatively decent tankobon sales, but again, such cases are rare.

What I wonder about are series' like D. Gray-man and Death Note, which don't do spectacularly well in the magazine, but have very good tankobon sales. How did they manage to survive until they were established without getting the same treatment that Double Arts got? I suppose it could be that Jump was more forgiving then, but I wonder if there's some baseline amount of volumes a series needs to sell the first time for the editors to decide that it's worth keeping around longer.

[Maxy Barnard]

I forgot about SQ. Is Kurohime still published online?

at current SQ is publishing:

Kurohime
that female soccer series
Tales of Innocence
and special chapters of loadsa other junk.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Don't forget Pat-Ken. And I actually think that Tales of Innocence completed with 3 volumes.

[Mr. Prince]

Bottom for #19 and preview for #20 was posted...



小ネタ
・19ドベ５　とら、21、灰、ぼっけ、ぬらり
・20巻頭鰤　ＣPSY、べるぜ

・フープに黄信号かも？


Bottom:
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

#20:
Cover for Bleach
CP for Psyren and Beelzebub

He also mentions something about Hoopmen I think something like...
"Maybe yellow traffic light for Hoop?"
Which means he could see Hoop struggling/dying in near future, I guess.

--

Anyway, CP for Psyren is sweet. Beelze as well. Hoop comment makes me already starting to get prepared the worst... : (

[Rejuvenation]

Bottom for #19 and preview for #20 was posted...



Bottom:
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

#20:
Cover for Bleach
CP for Psyren and Beelzebub

I want Mago and Bokke-san to get higher. x[

ES21 is fine until it ends and I've lost track whether this is a proper ranking for DGM or not.

To Love seems to have planted itself firmly in the basement again it seems.

Damn another Bleach cover. :notrust


He also mentions something about Hoopmen I think something like...
"Maybe yellow traffic light for Hoop?"
Which means he could see Hoop struggling/dying in near future, I guess.

Fuck yes! Save my other series Hoop Men! Do not let me down. :darn


Anyway, CP for Psyren is sweet. Beelze as well. Hoop comment makes me already starting to get prepared the worst... : (

Also agreed. I'm really loving these two series now. :amuse

I wonder if this color page could possibly be for the popularity poll though.

[[Cross]]

Wow, first Sket Dance gets a CP, and now Psyren, things are looking up. Bokke seems to enjoy it's place in the bottom.

[fxu]

Oh man I totally want a Psyren cover.

That is the day I will buy a WSJ issue.

But a color is good nonetheless... most likely the character poll?

[kewl0210]

DGM will have a "proper" ranking starting at issue 23. The first one in resumption was #15 so 8 later is 23. It's 8 later, not 8 including the one, right...

The CP for Psyren is probably the popularity poll.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Finally they are giving Psyren some promotion. Bout damn time. Not surprised though. Major plot twist in the last chapter. The story is getting even better.

[Kaiten]

This is Psyren's second CP of the year, more then it got all of last year. Glad to see it. Mago back down at the bottom is a severe disappointment, pending the release of volume 4. If that does well there won't be much to worry about.

[GARusashi]

damnit that means when DGM gets rated again, Bokke will be even lower. And then when Eyeshield finishes, it'll be even lower :(

Oh well, Psyren was low consistently and still wasn't canceled so there's still hope

[SSJWill4]

DGM will have a "proper" ranking starting at issue 23. The first one in resumption was #15 so 8 later is 23. It's 8 later, not 8 including the one, right...

The CP for Psyren is probably the popularity poll.

Even though I'm not totally sold on the "D. Grey-Man isn't ranked yet" idea, if that is the case then it could be ranked in issue 24 if 22/23 is the double issue for golden week. Either way, I hope it bounces back up sooner rather then later as I am enjoying it quite a bit atm.

Also, great to see Psyren getting more color pages and keeping itself out of the bottom 5. :)

[Digital_Eon]

Still convinced DGM is being ranked, on some level. Unranked series are unranked because there is no data for them. The editors do have the opinions on those chapters of DGM. If people didn't like it - and this is the kind of arc they would dislike, judging from the action content - then down to the bottom of the magazine it goes. Since when do any unranked series end up that low, new or not?

[Koen]

Guys, D.G-m was rated from its entrance. I wonder who came up, and how, with the idea of it being not rated. D.G-m's rating isn't surprising, it's always been low in jump. I don't like mago and bokke-san in the bottom and how long will TL-R survive :o

anyway psyren's colour is obviously coming with the poll results. Kinda look forward to the colour page and the results (we could see how many fans it has) but hey psyren isn't this time in the bottom either :) (in contrast to what some other might believe :p)

[eni]

D.G-m's rating isn't surprising, it's always been low in jump.
Not that low. Since we started the WSJ ToC in 2006, DGM has usually been in the middle or above. But very rarely lower than the middle.

[Rejuvenation]

^Considering those chapters of DGM sucked hardcore the ranking doesn't surprise me. It has only really gotten interesting in these last 2 chapters.

Also as said earlier, DO WANT popularity poll results.

[StrangerAtaru]

Somehow I'm starting to find it strange that even with chapters better than decent, ES21 is just plummeted towards the bottom. It's good for Psyren and Sket though.

And Hoopmen...I guess it just bombed considering Beezle's getting a CP so close to ranking.

[Muddy]

Since when do any unranked series end up that low, new or not?

Since HxH started doing its ten-week flings. If I remember correctly, Shueisha tosses it into the basement - for whatever reason - each time it comes back.

Awesome for Psyren and Beelze, but it sucks to see Mago so low. At least no Neuro in the bottom five this week. The series needs to go out in some semblance of ToC style...

[Sexy Randal 105]

Somehow I'm starting to find it strange that even with chapters better than decent, ES21 is just plummeted towards the bottom. It's good for Psyren and Sket though.

And Hoopmen...I guess it just bombed considering Beezle's getting a CP so close to ranking.

Fans just want it to end. I know the ending is going to make me facepalm. The thought of Japan beating America is just not right...

Also, the thing that made Eyeshield's games interesting was it's characters. When they are not fighting an interesting team, the game sucks. This is why the Teikoku game sucked. Their team was so bland. This is also why the later Seibu game was one of my favorites. They just need to end it, before they make it anymore obvious they ran out of ideas...

You can only do so much with football.

[Digital_Eon]

HxH never ends up in the bottom 5 when it's unranked, does it?

DGM only ranks that low during action arcs - it has before, and I'm not surprised it did so again, because it was clear that's what this arc is. It usually ends up in the low-middle area at any other time, I think, but well above the bottom 5. Thank god it's still above TLR.

[SSJWill4]

HxH never ends up in the bottom 5 when it's unranked, does it?


HxH starts pretty high with cover and color (4th or 5th including the color higher than it), and then after 1 or 2 issues heads to the bottom half of the magazine where it stays until it exits. The lowest it has gotten is 3rd from bottom, and it's been in the bottom 5 a few times.

[- aMt -]

What's there is a cleaner version of this image?
http://i44.tinypic.com/zj6vih.jpg

I am a colorist, and I would refer any better, please help if they would be very happy

[Sexy Randal 105]

Final battle countdown perhaps?

[Kaiten]

More likely pimping the 10th anniversary.

[StrangerAtaru]

Quick trans: it's a mini-book with the "famous scenes" of Naruto over the last ten years, with the special Naruto vs. Sasuke cover by Kishimoto himself for this. (sort of guess they're not doing something akin to the KochiKame and OP anniversaries...just as well)

[Sexy Randal 105]

I guess Viz finally decided to license some new series. News has been announced that Viz licensed Neuro, Mx0, Sket Dance and surprisingly P2. These volume covers were also leaked as well. Very interesting piece of news.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/neurovol1.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/mx0english.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/sketdanceenglish.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/p2english.jpg

[StrangerAtaru]

I guess Viz finally decided to license some new series. News has been announced that Viz licensed Neuro, Mx0, Sket Dance and surprisingly P2. These volume covers were also leaked as well. Very interesting piece of news.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/neurovol1.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/mx0english.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/sketdanceenglish.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/p2english.jpg

(looks at calendar) Call me back on April 2nd and we'll see where it stands then.

[Bomber D Rufi]

I guess Viz finally decided to license some new series. News has been announced that Viz licensed Neuro, Mx0, Sket Dance and surprisingly P2. These volume covers were also leaked as well. Very interesting piece of news.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/neurovol1.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/mx0english.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/sketdanceenglish.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/p2english.jpg


....I'd be more excited if those didn't look like elaborate April fools covers. Viz normally erases any Japanese on the logos of their series....so I doubt they'd start leaving them now.

Gonna wait till April 2nd to comment for real on this.

[SSJWill4]

Sigh, it's still March 31st here, so I was fooled. Oh well. Hopefully those series do get licensed in the future. That would be awesome. Now here's to the hope that someone doesn't post a fake ToC too. -_-

[Kaiten]

Source please XD

[fxu]

I know it's fake because there's no Psyren there.

:]

[Rejuvenation]

Screw this stupid day, Viz needs to license those series for real anyway.

[Onomatopoeia]

I guess Viz finally decided to license some new series. News has been announced that Viz licensed Neuro, Mx0, Sket Dance and surprisingly P2. These volume covers were also leaked as well. Very interesting piece of news.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/neurovol1.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/mx0english.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/sketdanceenglish.jpghttp://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k67/SexyRandal105/p2english.jpg


I've been preparing for April Fools man. You think this weaksauce joke is going to catch me?

...It sucks that Mx0 and Neuro have to be among them.

[Rock-a-Dillo]

Fans just want it to end. I know the ending is going to make me facepalm. The thought of Japan beating America is just not right...

Also, the thing that made Eyeshield's games interesting was it's characters. When they are not fighting an interesting team, the game sucks. This is why the Teikoku game sucked. Their team was so bland. This is also why the later Seibu game was one of my favorites. They just need to end it, before they make it anymore obvious they ran out of ideas...

You can only do so much with football.

hmm weren't Japan is actually the number 1 team of amefuto or something??

[Koen]

April Fool's day or not, I don't buy english manga and mx0 is almost finished in french releases :p

Anyway if those are really released - which I highly doubt - then you are lucky for having sket dance released ;)

[Maxy Barnard]

I completely believe in this. P2 and Mx0 have long been candidates for serialisation as far as i'm concerned

[Sexy Randal 105]

....I'd be more excited if those didn't look like elaborate April fools covers. Viz normally erases any Japanese on the logos of their series....so I doubt they'd start leaving them now.

Gonna wait till April 2nd to comment for real on this.

Not true. Black cat has Katakana on it's covers.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Anyone want to see the WSJ cover? though its basically stolen from the naruto spoilers:

http://i40.tinypic.com/r94jec.jpg

[Bomber D Rufi]

Not true. Black cat has Katakana on it's covers.

I rephrase then. They RARELY have any Japanese on their covers.

But nice try though lol.

[sir_arles]

Anyone want to see the WSJ cover? though its basically stolen from the naruto spoilers:

http://i40.tinypic.com/r94jec.jpg


Yay, thank you very much!!

Now we have to wait for the HQ version, but this image serves very well for a preview =D


See ya!

[Mr. Prince]

Mei has appeared...



なると(表紙&巻頭)
ワンピ
リボン
バブ
鰤
トリコ(センター)
黒子
いぬっ(センター)
サイレン
スケット
バクマン。

フープ
亀
ぬらり
ぼっけ
D
21
とらぶる
ジャガー


予告順

絵 鰤(巻頭)/トリコ/バクマン/バブ(センター)/サイレン(センター)/ワンピ/ナルト

スケット/ネウロ/ぬらり
D/ジャガー/リボン
いぬっ/フープ/亀/銀玉
黒子/とらぶる/ぼっけ/21

Naruto (Cover + CP)
One Piece
Reborn!
Beelzebub
Bleach
Toriko (CP)
Kuroko no Basuke
Inumaru dashi (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bakuman
Neuro
Hoopmen
Kochikame
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

In the preview for next issue we have pictures for:
Bleach (Cover), Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub (CP), Psyren (CP), One Piece, Naruto

[StrangerAtaru]

Mei has appeared...


Naruto (Cover + CP)
One Piece
Reborn!
Beelzebub
Bleach
Toriko (CP)
Kuroko no Basuke
Inumaru dashi (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bakuman
Neuro
Hoopmen
Kochikame
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

In the preview for next issue we have pictures for:
Bleach (Cover), Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub (CP), Psyren (CP), One Piece, Naruto

Hmm...so, does this make Beezlebub a hit? If it is, I'm surprised but delighted from what I've heard. Weirdly high Reborn rank too...but somehow that may have been at a certain point...

[Mr. Prince]

Yeah Beelze seems to appeal to a lot of people...would be nice if it could establish to some point!

Hmm...list lacks Gintama. Since no one stated concretely there'd be a break I think Mei must have forgotten about it. :headscratch

[fxu]

01. One Piece
02. Reborn!
03. Bleach
04. Gintama
05. Kuroko no Basuke
06. Psyren
07. Sket Dance
08. Bakuman
09. Neuro
10. Kochikame
11. Mago
12. Bokke-san
13. D. Gray-man
14. Eyeshield 21
15. ToLove
16. Jaguar

edit: Gintama added

Either way, this is a very odd TOC.

[Kaiten]

Thanks Mr. Prince!

While it isn't ranked for another two weeks (one extra due to next weeks color), it would appear that Beelzebub is going to be a big hit. To be placed in the top 5 two straight weeks by the editors is a great sign! The news is equally bad for Hoop Men; putting it at the edge of the bottom five so close to it's proper ranking isn't pretty.

If my math is right, Psyren and Kuroko both made the top five this week. Great week for Sket too! If only Mago could have joined them.

[[Cross]]

I might call shenanagins since it's still April 1st for me, but who knows. Good news overall, really abnormal reborn ranking.

[Maxy Barnard]

Aside from reborn this is a pretty great week....

i call shenanigans also, jumps never this kind to me

[kaze1028]

Mei has appeared...


Naruto (Cover + CP)
One Piece
Reborn!
Beelzebub
Bleach
Toriko (CP)
Kuroko no Basuke
Inumaru dashi (CP)
Psyren
Sket Dance
Bakuman
Neuro
Hoopmen
Kochikame
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

In the preview for next issue we have pictures for:
Bleach (Cover), Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub (CP), Psyren (CP), One Piece, Naruto

Thanks.
And updated by Mei.




すいません、忘れてました
確かトリコの後ろだったと思います

Excuse me, I Forgot.
I think it's after Toriko probably.
　


Naruto (Cover + CP)
One Piece
Reborn!
Beelzebub
Bleach
Toriko (CP)
Gintama
Kuroko no Basuke

[Kaiten]

Gintama 4 = win. Take that Kuroko.

[Onomatopoeia]

01. One Piece
02. Reborn!
03. Bleach
04. Gintama
05. Kuroko no Basuke
06. Psyren
07. Sket Dance
08. Bakuman
09. Neuro
10. Kochikame
11. Mago
12. Bokke-san
13. D. Gray-man
14. Eyeshield 21
15. ToLove
16. Jaguar

edit: Gintama added

Either way, this is a very odd TOC.

What the heck sort of TOC is this everything is wierd. One Piece,To-Love and maybe Gintama are about the only placings that make sense.

I'm thinking April Fools. But has Reborn gotten less crap recently? I might consider reading it again if this a real TOC.

Seriously though D. Gray Man hasn't been bad especially the most recent chapters, its been rated way low lately though.

[Kaiten]

Ever since the break she took in 2006, DGM has always been in the middle or back of the magazine. Tis nothing worth worrying over. Reborn is a bit higher then usual but it's been in almost every top five recently. With Naruto and Toriko getting color it's not that big a surprise it rose to number two. Kuroko, Psyren, and Sket are all a surprise, but not April fools prank levels.

[Maxy Barnard]

01. One Piece
02. Reborn!
03. Bleach
04. Gintama
05. Kuroko no Basuke
06. Psyren
07. Sket Dance
08. Bakuman
09. Neuro
10. Mago
11. Bokke-san
12. D. Gray-man
13. Eyeshield 21
14. ToLove

removed the two non ranks from it.

to be honest all that matters is that bakumans not doing bad and sket dance and psyren are high. in fact just the last two. they actually NEED good toc results

[Koen]

Well I hope this isn't a belated april fool but psyren is slightly getting higher and more consitent in the positions. I hope this will happen more in the future but it's obvious sket dance and psyren are the two manga that had the danger zone sickness for for a long time but they both got a decent grip on the ToC, fans and their votings :)

[Maxy Barnard]

despite the months between the two series psyren and sket dance have essentially become a pairing, sticking close together most of the time, and seem to share a fanbase...

*imagines a crossover*

[StrangerAtaru]

I think in a way, Psyren and Sket probably have finally caught on or gotten big enough for a bit of a fanbase to help it along. That combined with other series starting to fall apart and just time in general have helped them finally get to this point...now all we need is a "big announcement" for Sket this summer and we'll know it's for real.

BTW: I know most of you probably missed it, but check out the beginning of my translation from yesterday...particularly if you want to see a certain lazy policeman from the beginning:

http://mangahelpers.com/t/strangerataru/releases/10983

[Rejuvenation]

Wow, Reborn at number 2 even beating out Bleach eh? XD

Kuroko rounding out the Top 5 is good for it. Psyren, Sket Dance, and Bakuman sitting nicely in the middle is cool with me. A shame that Mago and Bokke can't be a bit higher. *Keeps waiting for Hoop Men to cover for them*

I really do wonder what Jump plans to do about the bottom. It has pretty much been To Love, Eyeshield, and DGM in the last 3 spots for a bit. I wonder if they will hold out until Neuro/Eyeshield can end along with killing Hoop Men.

God, I think this is one of the few times I actually don't want HunterXHunter coming back. XD

[Magicoreo]

Well, I expect Bleach to get a higher rank in the TOC in a few weeks.
I mean the last 2 chapters were pretty damn good!
As for Reborn, well, I already knew it'd get a high rating, I mean it's getting pretty good IMO.

Oh man! Bakuman (PC) next issue? I totally have to get that issue.

This is a bit late but wow, page colors for Sket Dance keeps getting better!

[Maxy Barnard]

a higher rank than #3?

and to me they just dictated how bleach's writing is arse backwards, believing the only way to approach anything is to make people stronger or unlock a new transformation or upgrade or something. if the voters had any common sense it'd drop to the middle at least.

and reborn's chapter last week kinda got the hang of itself again i must admit, and even managed to make the premise of a training arc acceptable, so whilst it doesn't deserve position #2, in about 8 weeks it would finally deserve a top 5 position again

[Koen]

Hmmm... Does somebody know where I can find that strange link with a database with the series and their ToC position and ratings

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hmmm... Does somebody know where I can find that strange link with a database with the series and their ToC position and ratings


http://www.raw-paradise.com/ :)

[Koen]

http://www.raw-paradise.com/ :)

Well thank you T.D.A. but I am talking about that odd japanese site with the series and it's average position between brackets, etc

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Oh crap then I don't know what you're talking about.

[Koen]

Oh crap then I don't know what you're talking about.

Well it has been posted over here. Given the many pages, given the fact I don't know the user or the site, I am too lazy to skip through all pages

So I hope someone knows it... but still thank you :)

[Mr. Prince]

Do you mean the graph thing like this (for Mago) (http://www.ryusui-web.com/jump_uchikiri/nurari_2.png) or a general ToC database like jump.heavy or pretty.ne.jp (http://www.pretty.ne.jp/~missile/jump/2009/position.html)?
(Or some other thing I currently can't think of...? xD")

[Koen]

Do you mean the graph thing like this (for Mago) (http://www.ryusui-web.com/jump_uchikiri/nurari_2.png) or a general ToC database like jump.heavy or pretty.ne.jp (http://www.pretty.ne.jp/~missile/jump/2009/position.html)?
(Or some other thing I currently can't think of...? xD")

Last one, you are my hero

thank you :)

[Kaiten]

From Dofla at Ritual:

Akamaru Jump, Spring 2009

Bleach (cover), Reborn (poster), Kochikame, Bakuman, Mago, Kuroko, Psyren, Sket Dance, Inumaru Dashi (bangai)

[StrangerAtaru]

Yeesh, even the Akamaru can't escape from the Bleach effect. If it's not really as popular as it was, why does it seem to get the cover of both the regular mag and the special one?

[[Cross]]

Maybe it's overly popular in Japan and we just don't know about it. There has to be some explanation.

[Kaiten]

Best way to put it: It's just as popular as ever but wasn't ever quite as popular as international fans like to think ^^

Basically it's one of the most popular series in Japan. Three volumes were among the top twenty (12 and 17 to be exact) best selling titles of last year. The list was compiled two weeks after the fourth volume came out. Based on two weeks of sales it was still 35 for the year. But, fans have always referred to it as part of a "big three". That isn't entirely true. One Piece and Naruto are more popular. Every one of their volumes sell more then a million copies; One Piece in it's first week, Naruto by it's third. Bleach doesn't break a million in a year. A better comparison would be Hunter x Hunter. There sales are nearly identical. Better to call Bleach and Hunter x Hunter the second tier. It may be worth noting, looking over the top fifty, that Naruto has gotten more popular since volume 42 has come out.

[hills100]

From Dofla at Ritual:

Akamaru Jump, Spring 2009

Bleach (cover), Reborn (poster), Kochikame, Bakuman, Mago, Kuroko, Psyren, Sket Dance, Inumaru Dashi (bangai)

there will be a naruto chapter next week right?

[Maxy Barnard]

yes, but i'm not sure what that has to do with akamaru jump

[SSJWill4]

Best way to put it: It's just as popular as ever but wasn't ever quite as popular as international fans like to think ^^

Basically it's one of the most popular series in Japan. Three volumes were among the top twenty (12 and 17 to be exact) best selling titles of last year. The list was compiled two weeks after the fourth volume came out. Based on two weeks of sales it was still 35 for the year. But, fans have always referred to it as part of a "big three". That isn't entirely true. One Piece and Naruto are more popular. Every one of their volumes sell more then a million copies; One Piece in it's first week, Naruto by it's third. Bleach doesn't break a million in a year. A better comparison would be Hunter x Hunter. There sales are nearly identical. Better to call Bleach and Hunter x Hunter the second tier. It may be worth noting, looking over the top fifty, that Naruto has gotten more popular since volume 42 has come out.

This is based on the 2008 top 50 selling manga that animenewsnetwork posted, so it's not perfect but these are the average sales per volume for the jump series that made the top 50.

One Piece: 1,623,062
Naruto: 950,308.75
HxH: 850,477
Bleach: 739,569.5
D. Grey: 602,671.3
Reborn: 533,819.5
Gintama: 487,653

It should be noted that Naruto doesn't always sell over a million. In fact, only 2 of the 4 did. The other 2 fell in around 800,000 and 700,000 respectively. Some Bleach volumes beat other Naruto volumes. Both volumes of HxH beat 2 volumes of Naruto and lost to the other 2. I think it's interesting that HxH continues to sell well after being on hiatus for 20 months and being on a very weird release schedule. Also, Bleach is a cover and color whore, so that could be used to argue the top 3 status.

All that being said, I am curious as to how people in general break down wsj into tiers, and their mentality that goes into placing different series in different tiers. Is it a sales thing? How often a series is placed in the top 5? How many colors and covers the series gets in a year? I'd be interested in hearing different opinions on the matter. In my opinion, I'd say that there are three tiers. The first tier consists of series that sell really well, are constantly in the top 5, get frequent cover and color pages, and those series that sell better than series that meet the first 3 requirements. So One Piece, Naruto, HxH, and Bleach (not including '08 and beyond atm, have to think about it some more). 2nd tier are those series that sell quite well, tend to stay more in the upper-middle of the magazine and may get into the top 5 every now and then, but aren't constantly there, and series that sell better than a series with the previous requirements. So D. Grey-Man, Reborn, and Gintama. The third tier would be series that were established and have since fallen from grace or series that have been around for a while, but haven't quite made it into the first two tiers. I'd include Eyeshield 21, Neuro, To Love, and Sket Dance in that category. Then there are the untouchables; Kochikame and Jaguar. Lastly, there are the other, unestablished series that have yet to prove themselves (aka newcomers). So now that you've heard my thoughts, what are some of yours?

[Maxy Barnard]

basically the first tier are the hard hitters of sales and the TOC, or that have solidly popular adaptations.

At present the top tier literally looks like this:
One Piece
Naruto
Bleach
Toriko
Bakuman

with the voice comic approaching(or already happened) i wouldn't be surprised if Toriko usurped Bleach.

the second tier is usually series that have/had adaptations, perform well in EITHER TOC or volume sales, and have a sizable amount of time under their belt. at present this is:

D. Gray-Man
Reborn!
Gintama
Eyeshield 21
Neuro
Love Trouble

Love Trouble and Neuro may shift down, but volume sales are still exceptional. Sket Dance and Nurarihyon no Mago would be sneaking into here but both lack adaptations and Sket has suffered schizophrenic sales.

next up is the third tier, which are the powerful newcomers, the ones who stand out a fair bit, but lack that one thing to propel them into a higher tier (not just adaptations, it can be tank sales (be it consistent or none released yet) or low TOC positions. At present this tier consists of:

Sket Dance
Nurarihyon no Mago
Psyren
Kuroko no Basket
Inumaru Dashi

The final Tier are the bombs/yet to be ranked. Series that are either unpopular, or just plain haven't been about enough to garner notice. of course these are:

Bokke-san
Hoop Men
Beelzebub

Past that is the non-tier, the ones that just don't matter because they're hits that avoid positioning or risk by various means. these are:

Kochikame
Pyuu to fuku! Jaguar
Hunter X Hunter

and we should pay them mind as solidly awesome series. Not to mention they sell well



yeah.... that's pretty accurate methinks

[Koen]

Nice work noodles, but you forgot one tier


HxH :p

Anyway I don't agree with the fact you place baku-man in the top tier. Though having had its good results, in contrast to toriko, it hasn't proven a top consistency yet. Baku-man is a very good manga. So please don't shoot the messenger but imo I think you should place bakuman in the third tier but it being the best of the third and reborn should be place in the top tier

[Maxy Barnard]

Bakumans a hard one to place. sales wise it's really good, but you're right, with the toc in mind and such i should move it down.

reborn however is undeniably second tier, especially with it's ongoing anime bolstering it

[Kaiten]

i can sort of understand placing Bakuman high: after only two volumes it's passed Eyeshield and ToRa in sales. But I'm not thinking it will ever reach the same level as Bleach or Hunter x Hunter. I expect it to settle in with the D. Gray Man tier. I'm not prepared to give Toriko and Mago a place in the hierarchy yet either. For all the hype it's still to soon to see how Toriko will sell. After three volumes it's in the low 100,000 after it's first week. That is outstanding for a new series, It certainly will go up again with volume 4 but it remains to be seen how much. Same goes for Mago.

Naruto, as I said, seems to have gotten more popular late last year. In the months since the top 50 came out volume 44 crossed the million mark and volume 45 was also a million seller. Something happened last year to raise Naruto's popularity.

My tiers look like this:

Top:

1. One Piece
2. Naruto

2nd

3. Bleach
4. D. Gray Man
5. Reborn
6. Gintama
7. Bakuman

3rd

8. To Love Ru
9. Eyeshield 21
10. Toriko
11. Mago

As I said above, both need to prove themselves in sales, Mago has TOC issues, and it's to hard to predict how each will improve. I guess we'll have a better idea next week when Mago's sales figures are posted

4th

12. Neuro
13. Sket Dance
14. Psyren

Sket and Psyren are following in the foot steps of Muhyo, Mx0, and Neuro; series popular enough to make sustained runs, maybe even get an anime, but aren't necessarily juggernauts. Unless something like an anime gives them a big bump I would expect three or four year runs.

5th

15. Bokke - san: looks like the only canceled with less then 25 chapters series currently in the magazine.

The unranked; to new to judge

Kuroko, Beezlebub, Inumaru, and Hoopmen

Untouchable:

Kochikame, Hunter x Hunter, Jaguar

[Koen]

Bakumans a hard one to place. sales wise it's really good, but you're right, with the toc in mind and such i should move it down.

reborn however is undeniably second tier, especially with it's ongoing anime bolstering it

Could you please elaborate why reborn's anime makes you place it in the second tier? I think an anime is a standalone fact that has nothing to do with the ToC. I think volume wise and positional wise: top tier would be

One piece
naruto
bleach
reborn
toriko (potential to get between one piece and bleach in the future)

[Maxy Barnard]

i misread like a goon (thought you said it should be third)
and i suppose it could be top tier, moreso if i keep the novelisations in mind. but if reborn were there so would gintama

[Kaiten]

Problem with placing Reborn so high is sales. Reborn averages around 550,000 copies sold while One Piece sells 1.5 million and Naruto sells 1.2 million. SSJWill4 conveniently did the math for us:

One Piece: 1,623,062
Naruto: 950,308.75
HxH: 850,477
Bleach: 739,569.5
D. Grey: 602,671.3
Reborn: 533,819.5
Gintama: 487,653

Reborn is comparable to D. Gray Man and Gintama, but not One Piece, Naruto, or even Bleach. Toriko remains a wild card in my opinion. Consistently landing in the top 5 should be a sign of a very strong series. Thus far Toriko has preformed very well in sales. But it remains to be seen if Toriko will actually surpass Bleach in sales, match it, or end up between D. Gray Man and Bleach in popularity. And it is to early to speculate on the answer. It should be noted that volume 3 of Toriko and Mago were nearly identical in sales. While Mago started lower, it's growth rate is higher then Toriko's, at least for now. I'm very, very curious how much Mago volume 4 sold, how much better then volume 3. I'll have an answer of Wednesday.

I personally take anime into some account when judging a manga's popularity. Anime does give a series a boost, both on the TOC and in sales. But I'd consider it a small factor. For the record: One Piece, Naruto, Gintama = really popular anime. Bleach, Reborn = not so much. There are things to be judged besides sales and TOC; anime, cosplayers, novels, doujin. Things get a bit to complicated trying to draw all those factors into judging the popularity of manga. At least for cats posting to a forum.

[VASSiLi]

Jump #19 ~ Cover from Akatsuki's Scan

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2924/2png.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2png.jpg)

http://i43.tinypic.com/sw3389.jpg

[Magicoreo]

out of curiosity, would anyone happen to know when the Spring 2009 Akamaru jump is coming out?

[Kaiten]

Should be during Golden Week, the first week of May.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I personally take anime into some account when judging a manga's popularity. Anime does give a series a boost, both on the TOC and in sales. But I'd consider it a small factor. For the record: One Piece, Naruto, Gintama = really popular anime. Bleach, Reborn = not so much.


How do you know that the Reborn and Bleach animes aren't popular?

[Imitorar]

Ratings. One Piece is almost always in the top 10 ranked anime (I believe only three episodes weren't, maybe the number's off a bit). It usually places around 5th or 6th. Naruto often makes it into the top 10 when something else that usually makes it isn't there that week. Bleach? Reborn? I've never seen them make it. I mean, I'm sure that they're relatively popular, but not as popular as the One Piece or Naruto anime.

[Kaiten]

Gintama, Naruto, and One Piece are always high on the over all DVD charts. Bleach and Reborn generally are low on the anime sales chart while failing to make the over all charts. When it aired D. Gray Man was usually more popular as well, though less popular then Gintama, Naruto, and One Piece.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's true that Bleach and Reborn! don't have as much popularity in anime form as One Piece or Naruto, but they have to be doing fairly well. They wouldn't keep producing them otherwise. They certainly seem to be more popular as manga, however.

[Rejuvenation]

Well the fact that the Reborn and Bleach anime are too close to the manga doesn't help them since they have to go into fillers.

Also Reborn's anime was extremely edited last I heard so that could factor into not as many people watching it as well.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Does Bleach get another another coloured cover? How many has Bleach got this year?

[Maxy Barnard]

probably more than it had last year already. that being one of the reasons i don't think it's anywhere near as big at it was. it needs constant shameless promotion to keep it where it is, much like ral grad did when that was about

[StrangerAtaru]

Strangely enough with all of the current talk on covers, the only series that I'll actually give a pass for the year is Naruto. Considering this is the 10th anniversary (officially it's issue 43) and the hype done to promote OP's 10th and KochiKame's 30th, I consider it with a pass for the moment. Bleach...personally with all the other series dying for attention (literally), it shouldn't hog the cover as much as it does. Either it's just that easy for Kubo to make color stuff or the Jump people just find it necessary to keep promoting it even with a lot of it's content below par recently. (I just dread the monster still going in 2011...at the rate Jump has been going, if Bleach lasts that long, then it literally will have all the covers for the year for it's anniversary)

[Rejuvenation]

I'm at the point where I'm going to say fuck Bleach. If Jump gave naruto all of these covers for the year like Ataru mentioned I'd chalk it up to the 10th anniversary as well.

Bleach has done nothing warranting cover spots in years outside of TBTP...and I'm not even sure if the covers featured that arc or not.

When Naruto eventually ends and Bleach continues to die Jump ought to feel ashamed of themselves for neglecting all the other series that could have been bigger with a little extra promotion.

[fxu]

Maybe every time Bleach is on the cover there are more sales of WSJ issues?

Remember, it's a business. They wouldn't put it in the cover if it wouldn't be selling so good.

[SSJWill4]

Well, to be fair Bleach hasn't had a cover yet and still may not have one if Toriko's next issue preview is correct in that Toriko gets it instead. Plus, in comparison, by this time last year Bleach already had 2 covers. If Toriko does get it it'll be its second cover, while One Piece will have already gotten 2 and Naruto 3 in celebration for its 10th anniversary.

[Maxy Barnard]

ah then it's just a colour overload, that's much better......?

[SSJWill4]

ah then it's just a colour overload, that's much better......?

You're right. Just reviewed the color pages thus far and Bleach has had the most colors when not including new series with guaranteed color pages, although some series aren't too far behind. I'm pretty satisfied with the color pages so far though. Here's a list of current series' color status this year for those interested:

Kuroko - 5
Bleach - 4
Bokke-san, Eyeshield 21, One Piece, Naruto, Reborn, and Inumaru - 3
Sket Dance, Bakuman, Gintama, Toriko, Beelzebub, and Hoopmen - 2
Psyren, Neuro, D. Grey, Mago, To Love, and Kochikame - 1

The only series that hasn't had a color page thus far is Jaguar. Pretty good distribution of color pages if you ask me.

[Mr. Prince]

The only series that haven't had color pages thus far are To Love and Jaguar.

ToLove had a CP in #2/09. : )

[fxu]

Kuroko 5 colors?

What the f-

[StrangerAtaru]

Kuroko 5 colors?

What the f-

It's new and it's getting hype akin to Toriko/Bakuman's early run. Eventually it probably will start going downwards.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It's nice that it has been getting a push, because it's a really enjoyable series. It'll probably start to fall back towards the pack when the next batch of series start taking up color pages for a few weeks (unless Kuroko really is that popular already).

[Sexy Randal 105]

I'm surprised Akamaru has no sign of Toriko in it.

[Kaiten]

Akamaru is all about the one shots. I want to see all the new artists. Shame that only cam raws came out for the winter issue. Tanaki Yasuki's contribution looked awesome.

[Lingwe]

Ough, I bought an issue of the winter Akamaru Jump, meant to scan some of them but just haven't got around to it.

[Rejuvenation]

I'm fine with newer series(Kuroko, Toriko, Bakuman etc) and ones not as big(Psyren, Sket, Mago) getting a higher amount of color pages.

I'm only really against stuff like the big 3 and the other established hits series getting a huge amount in proportion to the rest of the mag. Bleach being the biggest offender in terms of color and covers within the past year.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I'm fine with newer series(Kuroko, Toriko, Bakuman etc) and ones not as big(Psyren, Sket, Mago) getting a higher amount of color pages.

I'm only really against stuff like the big 3 and the other established hits series getting a huge amount in proportion to the rest of the mag. Bleach being the biggest offender in terms of color and covers within the past year.

Well, at the same time, it makes sense to reward popular series and artists with color pages, too. Bleach has gotten a tad too many over the past year or so, but the series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Reborn, etc getting a good amount of color pages or covers only makes sense when you get right down to it.

I agree that it shouldn't be at the expense of other series, though.

[Kaiten]

Screw the other big series, I want D. Gray Man to get three color spreads and two covers a year. Minimum. I can keep dreaming. It was a nice gesture getting it when it came back from hiatus.

[[Cross]]

Well it all depends on how you define the significance of a colour page/cover. The purpose we usually give them is for the use of promotion and a sense of merit gained through having earned it. If the TOC was a gauge for popularity (however slanted it may be) then wouldn't it be logical that the top series get more colours/covers. Of course, they may serve other purposes, one of which may be for advertisement of WSJ itself. I think it was mentioned that usually a popular series like bleach might get a colour page because it would sell due more. That being the case, take a look at the time where Sket Dance and Psyren have received colour pages. They have received colour pages recently just as they both left their stump in the TOC and moved up, that might have been the factor that gave them the colour pages.

[Dofla]

#20 (13/04) :
Bleach (C & Cp)
Belzee, Psyren (Cp)

Bottom 6 :
Nurari
Gray
Hoop
Bokke
ToLove
Jaguar

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Neuro (Cp) & Climax
OneShot by Mishiro Kawashô (Yûryû Senshi Pay Soldier in the Jump The REVOLUTION! 2006 & Garaakuta in the Jump Akamaru Spring 2007)
One Piece (absent)

[Koen]

So as it stands now endagered by a cut:
- bokke-san and hoop (unless that's not its real rating but kinda strange it's that low :s)
- neuro: announced ending and the climax? Does it mean an upcoming end?

[Dofla]

- neuro: announced ending and the climax? Does it mean an upcoming end?

It can be the announcement of a last new arc as Es21.

[Kaiten]

So as it stands now endagered by a cut:
- bokke-san and hoop (unless that's not its real rating but kinda strange it's that low :s)


Stupid Mago, we talked about this: Get out of the bottom five!~ You're to good for that.

I could be wrong but I believe issue 21 will be Hoop Men's first rating. The editors placing an un - ranked series in the bottom five means it's dead; fan response has been horrific and they don't need the final returns to know it. If you remember Chagecha was in the bottom five earlier then eight weeks. The opposite was true of Beezlebub last week; placing it in the top five seems to their way of saying it's about to be a hit.

I wonder what the climax tag means. Cancellations should be upon us this month, or early next.

[Mr. Prince]

Damn...that sucks. Seeing Hoop bombing the hard way saddens me. I was trying to be optimistic but this week speaks volumes...

[Dofla]

Omake newcomers in the Akamaru:

Hiroshi NEDA, Wajimasatoshi, Eiji FUKUDA, Oshô IMAGAWA, Yûkiakira
Gen OOSUKA, Ryo MATSUO, Kei INAYOSHI／Kobayashi TSUTOMU, Shôta SAKAKI、White Arl

[Kaiten]

Damn...that sucks. Seeing Hoop bombing the hard way saddens me. I was trying to be optimistic but this week speaks volumes...

I like Hoop Men. But it doesn't seem like a Jump series. It seems a little more like the type of sports manga they run in Magazine. Definitely a good thing but maybe more then your average Eyeshield fan could handle.

[Koen]

Well heiji-sama marked neuro as ending in issue 21 (at ritualscan)

Neuro ends, raw-paradise.com

[Kaiten]

I've only read a few chapters of Neuro, it is clearly one of the most original series to have graced the pages of Jump in recent years. At some point I will have to read the whole thing. To have lasted four years and get an anime is an impressive run and it's good to see it's leaving on top with center color. Hopefully Matsuei returns soon with something just as twisted. Or, better yet, returns in Young Jump with something even more twisted!

Now the wait to see what else leaves and what returns is on! Hoop Men will definitely be one. If it is going to do as bad as this week indicates it should be part of these cuts. It will have 10 chapters by the issue after Golden Week. With Bokke doing poorly and Eyeshield being endable any time, May could be a busy month.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

So I guess Neuro is ending, along with either Bokke-san or Hoop. Hoop might get to survive a little longer since it's slightly newer, but if its been bombing so horrifically, they might cancel it first. Bokke-san also has the advantage of an established creator working on it, which usually gives you a little more leeway (unless your name is Hiroyuki Takei).

Also nice that Eyeshield climbed out of the basement.

[Koen]

SO basically I checked some previous ToCs with last year's (end) cancels and this year's cancels + series that came in place this year

End of 2007: was ended/cancelled
HxH (hiatus), Chagecha (cut #49) and Bari Haken (cut #52)
Replacements: Meister, Kuroko and Bokke

2008: was ended/cancelled:
- Round 1: Asklepios (cut #11) and Meister (cut #12)
Replacements: Beelzebub (#13) and Hoop men (#14)
- Round 2: Neuro (end #21?)
Free spot: one?

[Kaiten]

If the editors are placing Hoop Men in the bottom five three weeks before it's first fan ranking, they intend to have it out as quickly as possible. The same thing happened with Chagecha and it ended after eight chapters. At most one series can start in April, in the double issue. Thus Hoop Men will get at least nine chapters.

[Mr. Prince]

I like Hoop Men. But it doesn't seem like a Jump series. It seems a little more like the type of sports manga they run in Magazine. Definitely a good thing but maybe more then your average Eyeshield fan could handle.

Yeah, I guess you're right...
That and maybe also Jump trying to launch two new Basketball manga at the same time. I had this feeling something like that wouldn't take a good ending. *lol*

Damn, shouldn't have started translating this series...doing so makes you feel attached to it too fast. : /

[Kaiten]

Yeah, the two Basketball series experiment was as big a failure as everyone here knew it would be. Shame that Kuroko, an inferior series, is the survivor.


2008: was ended/cancelled:
- Round 1: Asklepios (cut #11) and Meister (cut #12)
Replacements: Beelzebub (#13) and Hoop men (#14)
- Round 2: Neuro (end #21?)
Free spot: one?

There will be one free space after Neuro ends. I'm sure at least one more series will be canceled in issue 22 - 23 or issue 24. Maybe another by issue 25 if there's a third series ready to start or Togashi feels like coming back.

[Muddy]

It's great to hear that Neuro gets to leave with a color page. In my mind, it's been one of the three best Jump series (along with OP and HxH) for a loooong time - probably ever since the Hal arc, actually. It's a shame that it never got to display its worth in the ToC, but I'm glad it's being honored on its way out.

[Rejuvenation]

Yes! Hoop Men is in the bottom and hopefully it keeps falling all the way to the basement. Pad my other series. ^__^

Neuro ending a lot sooner than I was expecting. Then again I'm only at chapter 183. With it and possibly Hoop gone that leaves 2 other spaces. It also may signify To Love Ru can get by for a while being ranked at dead last like it is if it isn't cut.

Get back up Bokke and Mago >.<

It looks like Togashi might not come back after all. Which I don't mind so much anymore since I'm tired of his bullshit.

[¬Bol]

Omake newcomers in the Akamaru:

Hiroshi NEDA, Wajimasatoshi, Eiji FUKUDA, Oshô IMAGAWA, Yûkiakira
Gen OOSUKA, Ryo MATSUO, Kei INAYOSHI／Kobayashi TSUTOMU, Shôta SAKAKI、White Arl

Eiji Fukuda?
He's a Bakuman's character, isn't he?

[Kaiten]

Good call!! It's actually two characters: Niizuma (Eiji) and (Fukuda) Shinta. It would certainly seem that it will be a Bakuman spin off.

[Stone]

So have there been any rumors about which new series will be comming?

Personally I'd like to see another series by the author of Pretty face and Mx0

I'd really liked if Jump started to include short series to, maybe have 1 spot open for short series that would have a planed out storyline that would be done in 10, 20 or 50 chapters, so that we could get some more fresh ideas instead of so many ending up looking simmilar in the end.

Though this is Shounen jump= Money before quallity story...(as was seen with how they keep series going even agaisnt the authors wishes)


Anyway of the canclled series the one i miss the most would be Mx0 without a doubt.(The way it ended... and Never even gained an anime :( )
Even though it reached 99 chapters

[Kaiten]

I like the short series idea. While common place with shojo and seinen I've never seen it with shonen, at least in the big three anthologies. I doubt Jump will do it, but never the less a great idea!

There hasn't been any word on Neuro's replacement. Info is usually leaked two weeks in advance of the first to debut. I'd like to see Naoshi and Tanaka make come backs.

[SSJWill4]

SO basically I checked some previous ToCs with last year's (end) cancels and this year's cancels + series that came in place this year

End of 2007: was ended/cancelled
HxH (hiatus), Chagecha (cut #49) and Bari Haken (cut #52)
Replacements: Meister, Kuroko and Bokke

2008: was ended/cancelled:
- Round 1: Asklepios (cut #11) and Meister (cut #12)
Replacements: Beelzebub (#13) and Hoop men (#14)
- Round 2: Neuro (end #21?)
Free spot: one?

Thought I'd add onto this since I actually did my own list a while ago in anticipation for the end of the year cuts, so my list conveniently ends when yours begins. :P

51 end (Belmonde)
52 end (P2)
1 new (Psyren)
2 new (KOSen)
3 new (Muddy)
4/5 new (Poseidon)
14 2 end (Prince of Tennis and Muhyo to Roji), return (HxH)
15 end (KOSen), new (Mago)
16 end (Muddy), new (Bari Haken)
17 new (Double Arts)
24 end (Poseidon), break (HxH)
25 end (Mx0), new (Toriko)
26 end (Hatsukoi)
27 new (Dogashi Kaden)
33 end (Samurai Usagi)
35 end (Yushagaku)
37/38 new (Bakuman)
39 new (Inumaru)
40 end (Dogashi Kaden)
41 end (Double Arts)
42 new (Chagecha)
43 new (Asklepios)
45 return (HxH)
49 end (Chagecha)
50 break (D. Grey)
52 end (Bari Haken)
1 new (Meister)
2 break (HxH), new (Kuroko no Basket)
3 new (Bokke-san)
11 end (Asklepios)
12 end (Meister)
13 new (Beezlebub)
14 new (Hoopmen)
15 return (D. Grey)
21 end (Neuro)

[Koen]

@SSJWill4: if you could add all series and complete the whole list. That would give a nice overview

I guess either yasuhiro kano or komi naoshi will get a comeback sooner or later. Maybe they'll give a new mangaka a chance since asklepios' mangaka (failed for a second time) and bokke san's mangaka are somehow comeback mangaka. So my guess: new mangaka and then Komi Naoshi and/or Yasuhiro Kano

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I liked Mx0, so I'd be open for Kano returning. I'd really like to see Yumi Hotta return, though. Hikaru no Go was such a great series, and her style of storytelling is something that could really spark a new hit to life.

[Kaiten]

I'd like to see the author of Trigger Keeper serialized. It was never translated but looked really good. I don't believe he/she has ever been serialized either.

[Koen]

I liked Mx0, so I'd be open for Kano returning.

If it is something as good as mx0 then yeah. I would sign for an unexpected continuation (but unlikely to happen). I didn't like pretty face on the other hand. So if he comes back then I hope it'll be refreshing as his previous manga

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Trigger Keeper looked pretty cool. Wouldn't mind seeing it as a series.

[Kaiten]

Trigger Keeper looked pretty cool. Wouldn't mind seeing it as a series.

Based on not understanding a word said, it did look good :) It looked like the type of one shot that could be easily transitioned to a long series. Even if it's something other than Trigger Keeper, he's a mangaka I'd like to see serialized.

[predsfan]

I'm severely disappointed by Hoop Men's position. It is by far my favorite sports series out of all the recent ones to appear in jump. Gaahhhhh, why can't Kuroko be the one going down in flames, or any number of the 6 or 7 series I don't read in jump.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

It can't be Kuroko because that's one of the best new Jump series in years. It could become the next big sports series.

[Sexy Randal 105]

Ehh...I really don't like Kuroko, but it doesn't seem out of place. With Neuro ending, and the first half of Eyeshield's last game over, it's good to see some spaces opening up. I bet hoop men will end and Bokkesan will get the boot during the next round of cancellations.

[Onomatopoeia]

Man, Neuro's ending...that makes me a bit sad since it was probably among the top 10 of my favorite mangas of all time. I just don't understand why it wasn't more popular, maybe its because of the riduculously long legged people in their(no seriously, fucken massive legs), either that or because it did stray away from mystery near the end. It always bothered me that Neuro was so underappreciated, ah well.

Bah, HAL arc was definitely one of the most amazing things I've read in a long while, got me all teary eyed. And Yako, Suzaki, and Neuro were all awesome characters, as were all the villains who made funny faces when they were caught.

I got to say this is one of the few mangas that I really and truly don't think I'll be able to find a replacement for and I doubt Jump we'll get a better replacement(yeah yeah call me biased). But still great quality manga that I'd recommend to anyone.

Just out of curiousity how popular was Neuro in its heyday because otherwise I doubt it would have gotten 200 chapters...

With this I'm betting at least 3 spots open in Jump with-in the next 3 months.

[Kaiten]

Let's leave things at this: Neuro lasted 4 years, had an anime, and ends with center color. The last series I can remember getting color pages for it's last chapter was Prince of Tennis. After watching so many series die after a year it's obvious Neuro accomplished a lot.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

How did Prince of Tennis generally rank in the TOC when it ran in WSJ?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

How did Prince of Tennis generally rank in the TOC when it ran in WSJ?

For much of its run it was a perennial Top 5 title. In its later years it started to drop, and for the last year or two it was more in the middle/bottom, having somewhat frequent appearances in the Bottom 5. But it still did well at times, and even was in the Top 5 on occasion.

It also had great volume sales all the way up to the end, and continued to be a dominant series. (Hence why they brought it back for a sequel series in SQ)

[Kaiten]

How did Prince of Tennis generally rank in the TOC when it ran in WSJ?

I'm to new to this to know how it did in it's heyday but during it's last full year it generally ranked in the middle. Looking back through the livejournal page it seems to have already settled into that position back in 2005.

There's all kinds of fun TOC facts to be discovered at the LJ community. (http://community.livejournal.com/weeklyjump/2005/05/09/) I linked it to May 9, 2005, the first TOC posted there. If anyone is interested; Death Note and Bakuman's positions are almost identical and D. Gray Man seems to have always been in the middle/back of the magazine.

[Muddy]

Man, now that I think about it, Neuro's depature is actually a really big deal for me. Aside from it being one of Jump's best series, it's one with much nostalgic value, since it started just as I first discovered this magical magazine called Weekly Jump, in which a whole host of my favorite manga (OP, Naruto, HxH, Bleach) were all serialized in one and the same place. I actually own the issue (2005 #12) in which Neuro debuted. This feels like the end of an era.

And I, too, would be very pleased with a Hotta Yumi return. The fact that she hasn't made an appearance since early '05 is rather discouraging, though...

[Heiji-sama]

Preview Shônen Jump #20 :
http://img223.imagevenue.com/loc59/th_07076_Sans_titre-1_122_59lo.jpg (http://img223.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07076_Sans_titre-1_122_59lo.jpg)

[[Cross]]

hm..damn seems the preview has no news on a new series yet (from looking at it, at least), but wait has anyone heard if anything is announced during the JUMP talkshow that was suppose to have aired?

[fxu]

What is Kagetora saying right below Ageha in that preview pic?

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

A better question would be why is he below Ageha in the first place. Same goes for Killer Bee and Naruto.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Dunno how serious to take previews, maybe its a clue that Killer Bee will meet Naruto in the next arc, who knows, or it could just be a random thing.

[Maxy Barnard]

okay, hoop men going down's pretty much a tragedy for me, i love that series... but ah well easy come easy go no sket dance in the bottom 5 is good, and i suppose beelzebub gettign a colour page is nice (enthusiasm for the series is draining slowly)

also next round predictions!

Arihara Daisuke(i think): something new or TRIGGER KEEPER
Akira Akatsuki: something new or MEDAKA BOX or LITTLE BRAVE

[hills100]

Dunno how serious to take previews, maybe its a clue that Killer Bee will meet Naruto in the next arc, who knows, or it could just be a random thing.

perhaps.
here is Nightjumper translation of that part:


Nothing interesting, except for the text bubble next to Killer Bee:
"When Pain is defeated, will it be my turn?!"

[Maxy Barnard]

obvious observation: all characters with spiky speech bubbles are loudmouths known for making exclamations.

theme!

[Googlez_kun]

perhaps.
here is Nightjumper translation of that part:

ok that sounds kinda obvious...he will be in the next arc probably:spaz

thanks for the trans:)

[StrangerAtaru]

Seems like Bleach may be returning to Karakuri Town...about time actually, since the Ulquiorra fight was a disaster.

As for Neuro...I don't consider it a failure at all on Matsui or the series fault. Unlike many other Jump series, Matsui actually did what he wanted to do in four years: get in, tell his story, get successful, get an anime, finish his story, get out. Compare that to a ton of other mangaka who try (and fail) to write massive, year-spanning epics...and you could say that Neuro is the real winner. It'll be sad to see the series go but I think Matsui is better to move on to bigger (and stranger) things.

[Mr. Prince]

What is Kagetora saying right below Ageha in that preview pic?

"There's also the announcement of the character popularity poll results!!"

[Kaiten]

also next round predictions!

Arihara Daisuke(i think): something new or TRIGGER KEEPER
Akira Akatsuki: something new or MEDAKA BOX or LITTLE BRAVE

Damn good call. Medaka Box would make a great series, Akatsuki's art has really developed over the last year, it could work.

[Koen]

Damn good call. Medaka Box would make a great series, Akatsuki's art has really developed over the last year, it could work.

That would be too fast imo. I think Medaka Box might be serialised second part of this year. But yeah never say never. His art has improved a lot, let's hope his storytelling too

[Kaiten]

More wishful thinking then reality, on my part.

[[Cross]]

rawr, first meister now hoop men, I'm poison to these new series. I just finished taking a look at Trigger Keeper, it does look rather interesting, I'd be happy if it made it.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I was wondering did anyone ever translate Medaka Box oneshot ?

[Kaiten]

Nah, Medaka was never translated.

[Sexy Randal 105]

When do you guys think we will hear some news about new series. cancellations should be happening soon.

[Koen]

When do you guys think we will hear some news about new series. cancellations should be happening soon.

Well if neuro ends next week then I might not be surprised if 1 or 2 cancellations would follow weeks after neuro's ending

[StrangerAtaru]

Just because a series is ending doesn't exactly mean that we're getting new series so quickly. Jump could either do nothing for the moment or just start another round of one-shots to showcase new authors and ideas...yeah, maybe it's too soon with an Akamaru coming but they usually do such things.

[Koen]

Just because a series is ending doesn't exactly mean that we're getting new series so quickly. Jump could either do nothing for the moment or just start another round of one-shots to showcase new authors and ideas...yeah, maybe it's too soon with an Akamaru coming but they usually do such things.

You should go some pages back and check SSJWill's list of jump's cancellations this year and last year. 21 series (that's what I estimate) were dropped in 2008. There'll be soon a new round of cuts :)

[Kaiten]

They have new series after the double issue almost every year. They'll probably cancel a series later this month or in early May. New series could be anytime in May. If HxH comes back they may cancel a second.
[hr]

Pyû to Fuku! Jaguar : 16 Tomes (7 500 000 Exemplaires en Circulation)
Nuraryon no Mago : 4 Tomes (1 Millions D'exemplaires en Circulation)
Hatsukoi Limited : 4 Tomes (850 000 Exemplaires en Circulation)

Go Mago! 1,000,000 copies sold, a year of serialization, it's here to stay! Numbers should be out for volume 4 tomorrow. I expect it to pass Eyeshield and ToRa in popularity.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Those are pretty encouraging sales numbers for Mago. Even if it doesn't become a huge runaway success, it seems like it's performing well, so it shouldn't be in any immediate danger.

[Kaiten]

Those are pretty encouraging sales numbers for Mago. Even if it doesn't become a huge runaway success, it seems like it's performing well, so it shouldn't be in any immediate danger.

I'll have a better idea tomorrow, but huge run away success doesn't seem far fetched. Cancellation is out of the question at this point. It remains to be seen weather we are talking huge run away success like Naruto or huge runaway success like Reborn. The TOC might not reflect it but Mago is very, very close to Toriko in sales. Bakuman remains the best selling of the new series, for now.

[Maxy Barnard]

i wonder how long it took psyren and sket dance to reach 1 million in circulation

[Kaiten]

I don't think they have yet. A million is a big number for new series. While I love both series they're among the poorest selling in the magazine. Inumaru Dashi is lowest, I'm guessing. But as an 8 page gag with only one volume published it is hardly fair comparing it. Best comparison, sales wise, would be Neuro/Muhyo/Mx0. Both Sket and Psyren do well enough to last 2 - 4 years but without improvement, not much past that. Sket could well get an anime, Psyren could go either way IMO. This is only my opinion, after looking at their sales, how their sales have improved with each volume, as well as comparing them to other series that debuted in 2008.

[Maxy Barnard]

damn. well with current chapters and such i predict the volume of sket dance containing happy birthday will help it's sales moreso than any of it's previous

[Kaiten]

It's possible. The same could be said for the last ten chapters of Psyren. What worries me with those two is that both had volumes released in March with sales identical to their previous volumes. Neither improved or declined. It makes me wonder if both have peaked.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

I think Sket Dance has, but with Psyren's steady level of improvement (especially in the last few chapters) I think that it has a good chance of picking up in the long run.

[Kaiten]

Unfortunately it's to hard to say. People are fickle; one or both could improve with their next volume. Or, maybe, neither improves. My post above was more as a worried fan then a prediction. All I really know is both titles trends over the last year and a half. I personally think Sket will have a longer run as it is more likely to get an anime. I wouldn't call that a lock: Jump may not have anything else that could debut in the fall, they have two series starting this spring (Dragon Ball Kai, Hatsukoi Ltd.) and at least three that will launch in 2010. 2007 and 2008 each only had one Jump anime, they'd be willing to again.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Yeah, I could easily see a Sket anime happening sometime in the future.

While I don't see it getting much higher than it already is, I don't really see it leaving anytime soon either. Has a pretty solid spot as a mid tier series.

[Rejuvenation]

Sket anime would be interesting to see. It is definitely getting close enough in chapters to have enough material for one.

I never knew Hatskoi had sold that many volumes. It makes me lament its cancellation even more. Hatsukoi, Mx0, and Double Arts should have lived longer imo.

[Kaiten]

I can see Sket having a good 3 or 4 year run.

I've never been convinced Hatsukoi was canceled. Kawashita began resolving every arc and relationship well in advance of the ending. Nothing felt rushed, the entire story had come to a natural end by the last chapter. It could have been canceled. But I'm not convinced. It most definitely was a solid seller, never a huge hit, but it got an anime for a reason.

[Rejuvenation]

Well it felt like a bit of a cancellation because while some things did get resolved others didn't. It felt like some characters were left hanging and some things were left as open ended since everything couldn't have been wrapped up.

It feels like an anime was made since it was from an experienced mangaka and it was a perfect series for a 13 episode stint. XD

But oh well. Hopefully Kawashita's next project does better and is at least on Hatsukoi's level if not Ichigo 100%. (Please just be better than Lilim Kiss XO)

Other than To Love Ru Jump doesn't have anything else to really cater to the ecchi/romance crowd. Although Jump has obviously been focusing more on getting a new sports series to stick in the past few months than a romance one.

[Kaiten]

There always seems to be one romance/ecchi series in Jump. Never more, but at least one. When ToRa, or maybe a bit before, they may try adding another one. I'd love to see Kawashita - sensei return, she's been one of the better romance mangaka in Jump. Unless Katsura returns and decides to do romance again. That's not happening but still, a follow up to I"S would be fun.

[Rejuvenation]

Ah, I guess one romance series is enough for Jump's editors. >.>

What happened to Katsura btw? I've read I''s but never saw another Jump series by her after it.

[SSJWill4]

Ah, I guess one romance series is enough for Jump's editors. >.>

What happened to Katsura btw? I've read I''s but never saw another Jump series by her after it.

He does Zetman in Weekly Young Jump now. Ongoing since 2002.

[Rejuvenation]

He does Zetman in Weekly Young Jump now. Ongoing since 2002.

Oh seriously, he is the one that does Zetman? O_o

That is a big change from doing a romance series in WSJ. :lmao

Oh well, maybe Jump will throw the romance crowd another bone sometime in the future. >.>

[eni]

Oh seriously, he is the one that does Zetman? O_o

That is a big change from doing a romance series in WSJ. :lmao
Katsura is actually one of the longer established mangaka. He debuted in the early 80ies. Video Girl Ai and Wingman are his early works, followed by DNA² (my personal favorite of his works <3) and I"s among other series (http://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=37). The Zetman he's doing now is a spin-off of his own older work (Zetman 1994), so it's not really a sudden change.

What I really want from his series is the Dr. Chanbelee oneshot, published in WSJ in 2000 (pics (http://zeromanga.blogspot.com/2008/09/normal-0-21-false-false-false.html) and translation (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/2247/chanbell.txt)). But there seems to be no raw for it :scry

[Kaiten]

The Young Jump Zetman is a whole different affair then the Weekly Jump pilot. The plot was altered heavily and the WYJ version is most definitely not appropriate for WSJ's audience. It's a rather brutal series.

[eni]

That's true. What I meant was more that the root lies several years back already. Adding that his manga generally have a more mature touch than generic shounen, I can't say that I'm surprised when he takes the opportunity to go all out in a seinen magazine. His earlier works often give me the vibe that he's too limited to the young audience for what he actually wants to do.

[Kaiten]

That's true. What I meant was more that the root lies several years back already. Adding that his manga generally have a more mature touch than generic shounen, I can't say that I'm surprised when he takes the opportunity to go all out in a seinen magazine. His earlier works often give me the vibe that he's too limited to the young audience for what he actually wants to do.

I see what your saying! And yeah, Katsura's always loved fanservice. I"S puts ToRa to shame in that area. Though, I"S had a plot to go along with the nudity :p I haven't read any of his earlier works but it doesn't surprise that his earlier works would push the boundaries as well. He and Inoue, for very different reasons, really have benefited from moving on to seinen. I should mention I'm a bigger Inoue fan.

[Maxy Barnard]

I"S is still one of my favourite jump series EVARRRRRRRR etc, especially with Masakazu Katsura sitting resoluting in my top 5 mangaka (which after my complete jump into liking less retarded stuff is no mean feat).

Kawashita..... i'd prefer her not to return. I hated ichigo 100%.... well, disliked it anyway, so even with hatsukoi limited being one of my favourite manga theres too much risk she'd make something unsavoury again

[Mr. Prince]

Um...full thing was posted by some "Urouge" user (with trip code) at 2ch. Maybe that's Himajin since he LOVES the One Piece character of the same name and started the whole "urougism" going on at 2ch...



ブリーチ（巻頭）
ナルト
ワンピ
トリコ（表紙）
リボーン
べるぜ（センター）
黒子
バクマン
サイレン（センター）
スケット
銀魂
いぬまる
アイシル
ネウロ
こち亀
ぬらり
Dグレ
フープ
ぼっけ
とらぶる
ジャガー


Bleach (CP)
Naruto
One Piece
Toriko (Cover)
Reborn!
Beelzebub (CP)
Kuroko no Basuke
Bakuman
Psyren (CP)
Sket Dance
Gintama
Inumaru dashi
Eyeshield 21
Neuro
Kochi Kame
Mago
D.Gray-man
Hoopmen
Bokke-san
ToLove ru
Jaguar

--

EDIT: Just saw that raw-paradise got the same. So it should be the real deal. : )

[Kaiten]

I died a little inside when I saw Gintama below Kuroko.

[Googlez_kun]

Naruto above One Piece?....Hell yeah!!:dance

and i'm kinda sick of bleach getting colored pages again!...

[[Cross]]

What the...what happened with Gintama?

[Sexy Randal 105]

Wow, talk about an ideal TOC. The only thing that could make it better was a Psyren cover and Mago one space higher. Great week for all things mid-tier.

[Kaiten]

pokes Kuroko, politely asks it to move.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Awesome, Kuroko's in the Top 5 again! I hope it keeps it up.

Eyeshield 21 has also recovered somewhat from recent times. Now, we just need D.Gray-man to move back up.

[StrangerAtaru]

I think the fall of Gintama may have to do with the fact that the Tsuusengumi arc (which was Shinsengumi-focused and within the 8-weeks the last few weeks of ranks) was over around then. With everything since then (whether this was around the cold one-shot or the start of Tama Quest), the fangirls voting weren't into it.

As for Naruto beating OP...as much as I want to go into tard-mode, this was around the point where the huge revelations of the Pain fight occured so I give it some slack for once. (though still before "the big one") Though seeing Kuroko so high still is a good showing for it. (as is Toriko stealing a cover from Bleach)

One more thing: with the Katsura comments, it reminds me that Wingman is one of several series I want to start doing...or at least get the raws I found on MH in case someone else does.

[Mr. Prince]

(as is Toriko stealing a cover from Bleach)

Yes! That made me laugh of gloating joy and satisfaction.

Concerning Naruto overpowering One Piece, yeah, I think it's okay...even though we had the return of good ol' Bon-chan 8 weeks ago.^^

(Oh, and I would appreciate Kuroko changing its position with Hoop. But who knows, maybe they let Hoop pass this round of cuts - Asklepios also suffered such rankings in its pre-ranked weeks and could go for, well, at least 20 chaps...guess it all depends on next week's position.)

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Yeah but just look at the colour page for upcoming chapter (Bleach), *spoilers*, good fanservice there so don't mind. :amuse

[VASSiLi]

Jump #21 (21/04) ~Thanks to Raw-Paradise~

Baku-man (C & Pc)
Neuro (Pc & 23p, End)
Miyokawa Masaru / Keppû Gakkyû Kai
One Piece (Absent)

[Mr. Prince]

Oh yeah, I just saw that Oricon updated the tankou sales...

01. Bleach 38 -- 476.611
03. Reborn! 24 -- 265.306
04. Gintama 28 -- 229.223
07. ToLove-ru 13 -- 85.154
11. Nurarihyon no Mago 4 -- 74.270
12. Shaman King 27 (Kanzenban edition) -- 63.864
18. One Piece 53 -- 40.917 (fifth week) --> 1.682.869 total

----

So for now ToLove's still ahead of Mago. And the rest is not really something one didn't see coming...(minus One Piece still charting maybe)

[Kaiten]

The numbers this month really weird me out. They're really low, for every series. ToRa sold about half what volume 12 did. Reborn and Gintama are down by about 100,000 copies compared to every volume released in the last year. Bleach is down by about 125,000 copies. If it had only been Mago or ToRa down I might not have noticed. But those are huge slides for every Jump series except Shaman King. Oricon's update today was for the week of 3/31 - 4/6. Jump Comics always come out on the 4th. I have a suspicion that every series above Shaman King will have bigger then usual second weeks. In ToRa and Mago's case it could double this weeks.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Jump #21 (21/04) ~Thanks to Raw-Paradise~

Baku-man (C & Pc)
Neuro (Pc & 23p, End)
Miyokawa Masaru / Keppû Gakkyû Kai
One Piece (Absent)


Is this "Keppu Gakkyu Kai" a new series or a one-shot?

[Kaiten]

One shot.

[predsfan]

One Piece (Absent)

This makes me sad. Oda's taking a break so close to a double issue. The suspense is killing me.

Anyways, the full toc for the current edition of WSJ annoys me. Naruto beating One Piece, Kuroko so high, Hoop Men so low (and Mago, too, but at least it has decent tank sales as opposed to Hoop Men which hasn't released a volume yet). Let's hope Neuro's ending, and some other series I don't care about make room for Hoop Men to hang in there for a while. This low so quickly doesn't bode well for it though :crying. I hope next week's TOC is better.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

The numbers this month really weird me out. They're really low, for every series. ToRa sold about half what volume 12 did. Reborn and Gintama are down by about 100,000 copies compared to every volume released in the last year. Bleach is down by about 125,000 copies. If it had only been Mago or ToRa down I might not have noticed. But those are huge slides for every Jump series except Shaman King. Oricon's update today was for the week of 3/31 - 4/6. Jump Comics always come out on the 4th. I have a suspicion that every series above Shaman King will have bigger then usual second weeks. In ToRa and Mago's case it could double this weeks.

We see it a lot where series that come out right at the end of the tracking period tend to have larger second weeks, so I don't think there's much to worry about. We'll probably see strong showings from all of them next week.

[Kaiten]

Naruto frequently beats One Piece. It's been a few weeks since it has, still not a surprise. What's amazing is that only two series ever get number one.


We see it a lot where series that come out right at the end of the tracking period tend to have larger second weeks, so I don't think there's much to worry about. We'll probably see strong showings from all of them next week.

I'm thinking the same thing. It was a bit disconcerting as I've never seen series tumble in sales by such large margins so quickly. Plus I'm rooting for Mago to join the Gintama, Reborn, D. Gray Man tier or better. After looking at the date of the tracking period I figured we were only seeing partial sales.

[StrangerAtaru]

Naruto frequently beats One Piece. It's been a few weeks since it has, still not a surprise. What's amazing is that only two series ever get number one.


I think as recent as a year or two ago, we occasionally had a weird week when something else was #1: Gintama, Reborn, Bleach...but these days with OP and Naruto just that powerful and with that much of a grip in the magazine, nothing else has a chance.

[Kaiten]

Ever since the Uchiha arc started last winter it seems Naruto has choked out every action series other then One Piece. Maybe some day Toriko can get over the hump. But with the big two (I won't acknowledge Bleach as part of the club) as powerful as they are it may be a while.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think as recent as a year or two ago, we occasionally had a weird week when something else was #1: Gintama, Reborn, Bleach...but these days with OP and Naruto just that powerful and with that much of a grip in the magazine, nothing else has a chance.

Just checked, and Bleach was #1 in issue 49 of last year, although One Piece was on the cover that week. Gintama in Issue 47, although Naruto was on the cover and that was the week that Oda got punished for being late.

Last time both One Piece and Naruto were in the magazine and not on the cover and something else was #1 was Issue 39, where Bleach was #1.

I think that both series have just been on top of their game so much lately, and some series seem to have been slipping (see Eyeshield 21, which used to occasionally slip in that #1 spot).

[Sexy Randal 105]

Ever since the Uchiha arc started last winter it seems Naruto has choked out every action series other then One Piece. Maybe some day Toriko can get over the hump. But with the big two (I won't acknowledge Bleach as part of the club) as powerful as they are it may be a while.

I think Toriko will get there once the characters get developed more. They're still finding their story right now.

But on another note, here's an interesting piece of info:


Let organize the polls:
Total Votes : 11055

1: Ageha
2: Amamiya
3: Oboro
4: Kagedora
5: Kyle
(note : I guess Kagedora & Kyle got this place as the vote was held immediately after the Kagedora-rescue arc)

6 : Asaga
7 : Federica
8 : Kabuto
9 : Van
10: Marie
11: Miroku
12: Shao
13: Tatsuo
14: Q
15: Shiner
16: Haruhiko
17: Grana
18: Matsuri
19: Inui
20: Junas
21 (tied?): Fubuki & Dholoki
23: Sugida
24: Lan
25 (tied?): Caprico & Iwashiro sensei
http://img2.pict.com/25/5a/a9/b805a25340d24fad392cf2cbe2/QpIgY/psy1.jpg
http://img2.pict.com/df/90/cb/8e0a680fa5c06e9c0565f162e9/GhCYh/psy5.jpg

Is 11055 a strong number of votes?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I think Toriko will get there once the characters get developed more. They're still finding their story right now.

But on another note, here's an interesting piece of info:



Is 11055 a strong number of votes?

Not too sure compared to certain series.

In the last Prince of Tennis poll (which was about 2 years ago now), Atobe alone got 13,000 votes. Although, that's a huge series.

Some vote totals from first polls for series:
Couldn't find the total listed for Prince of Tennis's first poll, but Ryoma got 21,000 and Fuji got 16,000. Everyone down to 12th place had over 1,000 votes. With some quick addition, it seems like at least 80,000 votes. (Chapter 83)

Naruto got 70,000 votes in its first poll. (Chapter 60)

37,000 for One Piece in its first one (Chapter 60)

Not sure which chapters some other first polls were in, so I can't check any others right now.

[SSJWill4]

Just to add to the above response ^^

Sket Dance got 8176 votes in its recent Poll in chapter 68

Neuro did a criminal/character poll in chapters 65 and 66.
The criminal poll was 15536 and the character poll was 15875, so this leads me to believe that both polls were done on the same card, which would make the total participants the higher number of the 2 (15875).

[Rejuvenation]

Ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought those sales numbers were off when first seeing them. XD





Bleach (CP)
Naruto
One Piece
Toriko (Cover)
Reborn!
Beelzebub (CP)
Kuroko no Basuke
Bakuman
Psyren (CP)
Sket Dance
Gintama
Inumaru dashi
Eyeshield 21
Neuro
Kochi Kame
Mago
D.Gray-man
Hoopmen
Bokke-san
ToLove ru
Jaguar

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EDIT: Just saw that raw-paradise got the same. So it should be the real deal. : )

I like:
Hoopmen basically tanking
Reborn, Kuroko, and Bakuman in the Top 5
Sket @ #6
Beelzebub and Psyren color pages

I dislike:
Bokke below Hoop Men and in the bottom in general
Bleach color
Naruto above One Piece

This ToC has more positive than negative for me this week.

-edit-

I love that Psyren color page. Hmm the number of votes are about where I thought they would be at.

[Ichiki]

Is 11055 a strong number of votes?
2 years ago To LOVE-Ru got around 25.000 votes.

And from here (http://www.pretty.ne.jp/~missile/jump/jump.html):
-D.Gray-Man in 2005 got 27033 votes
-Black Cat in 2001 got 15708 votes
-HunterxHunter (can't say when, but before 2001) got 37648 votes
-Reborn in 2001 got 18655 votes
-Bleach in 2002 got 39618 votes
-Eyeshield in 2003 21 got around 42000 votes
-Gintama in 2005 around 15000 votes
-Shaman King in 2000 around 31949 votes
-Jaguar in 2003 around 8547 votes
-Neuro in 2006 around 15000 votes

[Koen]

Well it has +10.000 votes which isn't bad at all, knowing psyren was a serie that had a tough time hanging in the danger zone. Might be its fanbase is still growing, knowing its genre has a already big hits like naruto, bleach, d.g-m, reborn, one piece, etc... I am more interested in comparing this result with Iwashiro's last serie's result Mieru Hito. I remember it had one too without a colour page and an instant cut after 1 or 2 weeks

and the colour page is nice :)

[StrangerAtaru]

It all sort of depends considering that Psyren has just been "hanging around" and the lower expectations with the lowering sales of shonen mags due to "all the other options out there". Maybe it still has room for growth but its all dependant on what's going on lately.

[Kaiten]

http://www.shueisha.co.jp/magazine/boyc/jpg/w_jump0505_h.jpeg

So glad Toriko swiped the cover.

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Wow.

That's an excellent cover.

[[Cross]]

It'd be funnier if the issue of WSJ he was eating was a Bleach Cover.

[Rejuvenation]

Fuck yeah Toriko cover!

Take that Bleach. :mad

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Was Bleach supposed to get the next cover or something?

[Kaiten]

The preview posted here said it would. Last weeks chapter of Toriko said it wouldn't. It didn't, but still had front color.

[StrangerAtaru]

;1306916']It'd be funnier if the issue of WSJ he was eating was a Bleach Cover.

All he needs is a strawberry ;p

[Sexy Randal 105]

I thought Bakuman got next cover.

[Kaiten]

I thought Bakuman got next cover.

It does: issue 21.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I swear, would it be possible for a series that does not sell like over 200,000 volumes to get at least ONE cover? It's like Jump doesn't want the other series to get popular...

[Heiji-sama]

Preview Jump #21 :
http://img159.imagevenue.com/loc74/th_83654_Sans_titre-2_122_74lo.jpg (http://img159.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83654_Sans_titre-2_122_74lo.jpg)

Akamaru Jump Spring 2009 (01/05) :
Shô Aimoto (Muddy) / Hokenshitsu no Shinigami (One Shot)
Kanô Yasuhiro (Mx0) / Akazukin Eliza (One Shot)
http://img45.imagevenue.com/loc806/th_83646_Sans_titre-1_122_806lo.jpg (http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=83646_Sans_titre-1_122_806lo.jpg)

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

That's too bad. Looks like we won't be seeing any new series from those two any time soon...

[xi0]

That's too bad. Looks like we won't be seeing any new series from those two any time soon...

Yeah, oneshots in Akamaru Jump usually doesn't add up to a new serialization for established manga-ka.

[Digital_Eon]

I swear, would it be possible for a series that does not sell like over 200,000 volumes to get at least ONE cover? It's like Jump doesn't want the other series to get popular...

Some series that do sell over 200,000 copies don't get covers either. :notrust

Good to see Toriko got the cover this week... over Bleach, anyway. Nice cover. Bakuman must be pretty darn successful for it to get one too, especially with Jump being the way it is.

[Maxy Barnard]

well, all of the akamaru jump one shots look interesting, the sho aimoto one less so than most.

but once again i just want the bangai above everything else, cause i'm an omake whore

[Galactic Tomahawk]

I like the look of Kaito and the one with the horned guy the most.

[Koen]

hmmm

Is it farfetched but could the box next to ichigo be a ToC significance. TLR is last. All manga are seperated with a star. So I think psyren is seventh last one.

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Are the raws for Hoop Men and Bokke-san coming out this week?

[Rejuvenation]

Damn, I want to see that one-shot from Kano. I seriously hope he doesn't get screwed over again next time a series of his gets serialized. Whenever that may be.

[[Cross]]

Are the raws for Hoop Men and Bokke-san coming out this week?

Well surely they are, we just have to have patient for the raw-scanner.

[VASSiLi]

Golden week will be at Monday 27/4, right?

[Kaiten]

Something like that. It will correspond to issue 22 - 23.

[Dofla]

#21 (20/04) :
Bakuman (C & Cp)
Keppû Gakkyû Kai Miyokawa Masaru - OneShot ( Pc - 47p）

Bottom 7:
Nurarihyon
Es21
Bokke
Hoop
ToLove
Jaguar
Neuro ( Pc - 23p - End)
Op (absent)

#22-23 (27/04) :
Op (C & Cp)
Gintama, Belzee (Cp)
Yûsuke Murata - OneShot (Cp - 51p )
Es21 (absent)