Sand all stars vs Konoha all stars

[Askia32]

Sand All Stars vs Konoha All Stars

Gaara(w/o Bijuu)
Temari
Kankuro

VS

Shikamaru
Neji
Shino

The fight takes place where Lee fought Kimimoro

[Shaunlim]

Hmm...I don't really see anyone in the Konoha gang being able to take on Gaara. Unless Shino's bug can't be detected by Gaara's auto shield, I really don't see them taking on Gaara.

[Black/Light]

Hmm...I don't really see anyone in the Konoha gang being able to take on Gaara. Unless Shino's bug can't be detected by Gaara's auto shield, I really don't see them taking on Gaara.

Yeah, I agree.

Until we can see what part 2 Shino can do I really don't feel like debating him.

Or is this Part 1 characters?

Anyway, for part one, Gaara could solo them all. Part 2 . . . we really haven't seen Shino/ Neji/ Temari do much.

[Askia32]

Shino's going to use bugs and Neji is going to use Byakugan. The one that is probably hard to measure is Temari.


Hmm...I don't really see anyone in the Konoha gang being able to take on Gaara. Unless Shino's bug can't be detected by Gaara's auto shield, I really don't see them taking on Gaara.

I doubt Gaara still has his auto sand shield now that Shikaku is gone...

[segua]

I beg to ask the question, bijuu-Gaara or non-bijuu-Gaara?

[Askia32]

I beg to ask the question, bijuu-Gaara or non-bijuu-Gaara?

non-bijuu

[segua]

non-bijuu

Whoops, was it up there already? Seems like these days, I'm skimming too fast.

Hmmm...I don't know how strong non-bijuu Gaara is but seeing his fighting techniques, he seems to be a long range to mid-range fighter. Also, we don't know how his bijuu affected his chakra levels. Was Gaara able to tap into all the powers of the bijuu in return, the bijuu gets to devour Gaara's personality. Trade-offs are what I'm referring to.

Without the automated defense, Gaara's fighting style has to change to compensate that. He can't stand in one single spot like he did.

This will be an interesting fight. It is interesting to note that both teams have a capture type ninja.

What Sand needs to do is stay Shino, keep Shikamaur on the move. Splitting up won't be good in this battle since there are so many trees of bones around for being ambushed by bugs and also plenty of shadows for Shikamaru to ensnare someone. Also, Neji might spot them. Sand has to stay active.

For Leaf to win, they got to stay alert. They have to out manuever Temari and Gaara. There should also be plenty of sand from the previous fight with Kimimaro v Rock Lee and Gaara. This could prove troublesome for them as Sand might force Leaf off the ground into one of Kankuro's or Temari's traps. Though Konoha could set Sand up for some devastating attack using the bugs to monitor the whole area and to relay all that information back to Shino.

[Shaunlim]

Shino's going to use bugs and Neji is going to use Byakugan. The one that is probably hard to measure is Temari.



I doubt Gaara still has his auto sand shield now that Shikaku is gone...

Oh, I didn't see the non-bijyuu part. But even so, are we sure that the auto sand shield is gone ?? Afterall, his abilities to control sand is still there. And there isn't really any proof on this matter. Unless I'm mistaken.

[kkck]

non-bijuu

Care to explain what gaara's non-biju abilities are:blink?
Even if he can still control sand, we dont know if he is still able to do it to the same degree as he did againts gaara. His stamina was probably affected by the loss of the biju, which makes it likely that he cant do it to the same degree as before. He also now is probably able to sleep, meaning that he has probably experienced some sort of personality change. There are so many ways in which gaara could have and have not change, that both his abilities and personality are shrouded in mistery, IMO.

Even considering all that, I am inclined to believe that sand shinobi got this in the bag.

[ninjabot]

The databook states that Gaara can still control sand even without his bijuu, just not at the scale that he used to be able to (meaning no dropping mountains on people). Also, no turning into a giant racoon, no regenerative abilities, and no massive chakra reserve (meaning he can't last as long as he used to).

It never said that Gaara didn't have the auto-defense anymore, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't. It said he can still CONTROL the sand. Auto sand shield isn't controlled, it's auto.

[Askia32]

I edited the non-bijuu part after Segua asked to clear up confusion.

The sand team has to continually look out for Shino's bugs, and Shikamaru's shadow jutsu's. All Neji has to do is get in close enough range while Shika provides distractions.

I think Konoha would win.

[ninjabot]

The real problem I see is from Temari, as wind>Gaara's sand in movement speed. If Shikamaru caught one of the siblings with Kagemane then it'd be 4 on 2...but there's a catch.

If he caught Kankuro, the puppets wouldn't be controlled because Shikamaru doesn't know how to make Kankuro's body use Kugutsu no jutsu. If he caught one of Kankuro's puppets, he could control it, but Kankuro would be free to attack with his own puppet or just make strings take over the caught puppet again. Then he and Shikamaru would be in a tug of war with that one puppet.

Come to think of it, all of team Sand have long range attacks that Shikamaru wouldn't be able to take advantage of with Kage Mane. So he'd be limited to just catching one or more of them so that Shino or Neji can get in close for the finishing blows.

[DarkManSharingan32]

Sand wins this rather easily.

They just can't do anything against Gaara, and he can single handedly disrupt their jutsu.
Gaara has seen Shikamaru's Kagemane several times... It wouldn't be very hard for him to raise a mini wall of sand and block he and his Siblings' shadows from being used.

Neji is a close range fighter... which just plain loses out to three mid/long ranged fighters... Kankurou vs. Shino Part II is interesting, but I think Kankurou has made more advancements than Shino and be able to one-up our buggy friend.

Temari and Shikamaru? If Gaara implements the tactic from earlier she could just look for an opportunity to Dai-Kamaitachi the Konoha-kids to pieces.

Gaara vs. Anyone.

He can keep Neji fighting from afar...
Block Shino's bugs with his Sand Armor.
And potentially stop Shikamaru's Shadow jutsus.
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[segua]

I doubt it's going to be easy for Konoha or Sand. Everytime they have faced each other, it has been a very grueling match. This one won't be any different especially Gaara has lost his bijuu and his blood lust.

One thing I also see is that to make spotting the Konoha team easier, Gaara and possible Temari might go airborne. More likely it would be Gaara going airborne to observe enemy movements from above. Temari might be setting up traps and Kankuro might act as bait.

For Shino bugs, Gaara could sand blast them. Dunno how accurate Gaara is with sand but he could possibly kick up a dust storm with Temari's help to make Shino's bugs less effective. Sand has to play keep away and wither Konoha down.

For Konoha, they might be moving in a line with Neji up front as a look out, while Shikamaru is in the middle to offer support for both front and back while Shino is in the back to guard the rear and watch the surroundings. I'm sure Shino might have prepared some sort of dragnet with his bugs to keep information flowing as to where Sand are.

What Konoha has to do is either draw in Sand which I doubt Sand is willing to do even when provoked is to close the gap between. They also have to watch out for Kankuro's traps. I'm sure if Shikamaru captured a doll, he might just be able to control it use his shadow skills crudely.

When things gets dirty, I think one Sand will get caught by the shadows and someone on Konoha will get poisoned. One thing is, how will Konoha cope when Temari summons her weasel wielding scythe?

I like to point out that the teams are pretty similar in a way. Both teams have capture types (Shikamaru and Kankuro) and mid-range to long range types (Shino and Temari).

As for the setting, I think you guys are forgetting what type of environment they are fighting on. It's a forest of bone with sand littered here and there. Lots of shadows also and plenty of places to hide.

[Black/Light]

The databook states that Gaara can still control sand even without his bijuu, just not at the scale that he used to be able to (meaning no dropping mountains on people). .

Can you direct me to this? I have been looking for his DB3 info and this is as fare as this info goes for that . . .

Q. Now that Gaara doesn't have the Ichibi anymore he's unable to use the sand, right?
A. Both the sand and the rings around his eyes are there for good, they can't be taken away.

Nothing about lesser power (from not being able to draw on the jin's chakra. We actually don't know how much of his power came from Ichibi) or greater control/ amounts of non-jin chakra (no longer having to force the Ichibi down with his chakra would result in more useable normal chakra and more control).

Im willing to say that he keeps all his powers out side of auto sand blocking and anything that looks like Ichibi.

[ninjabot]

Well, yeah ofcourse he keep his sand powers as stated by Kishimoto here:http://forums.bleachportal.net/showthread.php?t=64769&page=2

L. Gaara's lost Shukaku, but not his use of sand and his trademark eyes.

The only semblence in the manga we have of this however is when he uses a small amount of sand to push Naruto's hand toward him. That's it. Not quite comperable to moving mountains and deserts. Likewise, over at leafninja.com we've got this:http://leafninja.com/jinchuuriki.php

The best possible sources (databook and leafninja) state that he has "some" of his sand powers. The most sensible conclusion is that he has the ones that don't require boatloads of chakra to use. Since he doesn't have boatloads of chakra anymore. He can manipulate the amount of sand that any high-chakra type ninja would be able to. Just not the amount that a jinchuuriki would.

[Raizen]

Oh, I hate to choose. But based on the skills shown so far, the sand got this one. Gaara alone is a powerhouse, but then so is neji. But him getting close to gaara will be a problem with all the sand.

Shino vs temari. Her wind can blow his bugs away. We know just how dangerous she really is. Not to mention she is pretty smart too, capable of thinking quickly

Shikamaru vs kankuro. No doubt he will catch kankuro wwith his shadows, but what will he do? I guess if he did the shadow sewing, he would win.

But overall, sand would wind b/c temari's wind and gaara's sand is way too damn much