Road To 2002 Roads 45-46 Discussion/Roads 47-48 Predictions

[kurz]

Discuss away~ :D

the ending of chapter 45 is abit unexpected though..
ishizaki+urabe vs misaki..haha
im guessing misaki will b able to dodge them.
btw i wonder between urabe n ishizaki, which one is better?
since both have trained with RJ7..they could be at the same level.
but imo urabe is slightly better.

m wondering how strong is sho shunko normal kick power..
cuz we've know him for his reactive kick..he should be able to come out with a good shoot of his won too

link for chp 46 : http://www.mediafire.com/?ggnhijzx2nj

[Blabble]

Ishizaki is better overall.

Urabe seems more technical though.

[majed2000]

Ishizaki is better overall.

Urabe seems more technical though.

i agree with that .

about chapter 45 looks like the coach have discovered the way to score against genzo although the golden combi have done somthing similar along time ago.....hehe.

about misaki of course he will win but waiting how he will do that since i couldn't download the new chapter yet.

[chaos_master]

Given simply his experience, Ishizaki should be far better than Urabe. Just look at the amount of important national team matches he's played in, compared to Urabe's extra-time performance against Brazil. That alone should be indication of who the better player is.

Onto the Bayern - Hamburg game ...
Bayern's tactic was to be expected and it's about time someone scores against Wakabayashi. It seems almost godlike how a keeper can protect the left side of his goal considering he was just on the right. I think in order to score against Genzo, something like the Tsubasa-Misaki combi from the Junior Youth against Italy should be performed. But with Schneider free now, I think Bayern have the freedom to choose to keep using the fast passes or resort to their original tactic by letting Schneider shoot and if Wakabayashi deflects it, Sho can score. Can't wait to see which one works in the end. :)

[majed2000]

do any one have a problem downloading the new chapter ?

[slc459]

do any one have a problem downloading the new chapter ?

i have problems downloading the new chapter.. it was the same for the previous one yesterday. but i was able to download today. .so this might also be fixed by tomorrow..

[abo3omar]

When it doesn't download, leave it for a while. Go download now.

I really wish the Red VS White match was longer with more of Misaki VS Ryo & Urabi. It was really cool, funny, and totally new for me :p

The flood of Genzo's match is hot..

EDIT : & where did the Barca game disappear?

[chaos_master]

I would much rather prefer seeing Schneider score against Genzo than watching the Barca game :amuse

EDIT: Watched Barcelona against Sporting Gijon last night and can't wait to see a future CT including Messi and Eto'o.

[Shinji]

I don't remember seeing a Messi-look-alike, but I have definitely seen a "Neto'o" somewhere in Captain Tsubasa.

As for Urabe/Ishizaki, I feel like Urabe is more all-rounded than Ishizaki, but Ishizaki is a better choice as a defender. Ganmen block being often useful...

[Blabble]

Ishizaki-Urabe, they have so much potential for a brilliant comedic duo.

[chaos_master]

"Potential"? They are the major comic element of the Road to 2002 :)

[majed2000]

"Potential"? They are the major comic element of the Road to 2002 :)

yes, and Aoi too had some moments n the last Arc. i don't now why he didn't appear till now.

["~Mail~"]

Aoi being young maybe the reason why.. I couldn't remember if he's a year or 2 years younger than Hyuga & Co.. Even so, he's in Primavera League (correct my spelling please).

If he's able to break through the rank, would like to see him fighting against Hyuga (midfield or striker, its not a matter when in duel)

[majed2000]

well i meant the funny moments of Aoi ,and about Aoi facing Hyuga , i think we will have to see Hyuga's training first and his first match too.

[bax]

I'm more concerned of the actual level of Tsubasa's generation (Japanese). It seems that the manga is suggesting a huge gap perception between the senior level and the youth level. Even for someone like Misaki is questioned whether he'll fit in.

Sure there are other factors like experience, tactics and teamwork, but currently I feel that somehow the doubts are there. Misaki, could very well at least on par with the likes of Kaltz and Pascual, if not better. And Kaltz is already playing in a top European league. In the midfield he's pictured to be close on Tsubasa's level, maybe on par with Misugi's efficiency. His exploits already said much about him. Maybe it's just that he just returned from his big injury though.

ps: I very rarely ask this, but is it just me or the ch46 link is still not working o_o;; I still can't dl it >.< MF is known not to work for me on occasions :s

[majed2000]

ps: I very rarely ask this, but is it just me or the ch46 link is still not working o_o;; I still can't dl it >.< MF is known not to work for me on occasions :s

make a right click on MF link and save target as .... it worked somtimes wz me.


about misaki i am sure he gust a little bit over reacting ,and i am sure his level is higher than what he thinks.

[bax]

make a right click on MF link and save target as .... it worked somtimes wz me.


Nope, that what I did for the past 2 days xD Ah well, I guess I'll just wait until it's fixed >.>;; The other staffs can't dl it too, but meh, not really a big deal. I'm just grateful the manga is translated/scanlated :) About when I get to read it, I'll read it when it works for me.


about misaki i am sure he gust a little bit over reacting ,and i am sure his level is higher than what he thinks.


Well yeah, Misaki was shown to have doubts some time. The biggest evidence was during the Jr. Youth tournament, but everyone would feel the same way too if they were Misaki.

I'm not sure how to put it, but maybe Misaki thinks too much some time :s

[kurz]

hehe but the other things are working fine with MF..only chp46..
but like bax said, at least we know its there already :D
cant wait for things to get fix XD

[Shinji]

Well, yeah, sometimes even if it should be working it's not... Then it's working a few days later.
If you can't wait, here is another -temporary- link: Chapter 46 (http://mapage.noos.fr/resnaruto/road046.rar)

[Blabble]

The injury was very serious, he got lucky to get out of this one. In a real life situation, I think it's serious enough to end someone's football career.

["~Mail~"]

From my many year of following CT, I've seen very little players able to coach@help others (other than shouting and/or yelling to do things).

So, if Misaki@Tsubasa@Hyuga (except Genzo coz he's a GK, and GK can help others) are permenant footballer injured (aka not able to play FOR GOOD), then they don't seem to have a future. All of them indulge on their own pursuit and very little on helping other trains.

Tsubasa (@ copycat everything player) can only learn much but teaching is something that he hasn't been seeing doing much (maybe too little). Hyuga can only force his junior the hardship of his train but the skill ~ naadah. Misaki, he learns new things and invent somewhat similar but new skill (not like God-sent-copier machine player) but teaching is also his weak point (in CT). So, only Genzo may pass some pointers of GK (but maybe isn't as efficient as his intuition) skill to other GK.

Misugi and Matsuyama on other hand always do team work and able to teach others (well, look at their school teamworks) on strategy. They are a real future hope of football coach@manager in CT (of course) but they are the 2nd tier character in CT (from the coverage that we seen). Well, Matsuyama may a little lower in terms of strategy than Misugi (but hey, Misugi is better than anyone in Japanese team but his condition makes him downed and even lost too many time to opposition whom lost to Tsubasa when one-on-one).

[Greytips]

Leaving Schneider open should be a mistake. If they are tired they should make substitutions

["~Mail~"]

Substitution make little different if they don't have a counter strategy against good passing (other than tight marking even from the FW).

Also why are they so tired if they are trapped (and not running towards the passing ball movement)? If they are not able to touch the ball and stunned, then the tiredness should only based on their mentality, less physically.

[Shinji]

They are running, as seen on P.08-09. But as said in the very same pages, 25 minutes have passed, it's the second half, and they are tired :p So they aren't as lively as you'd expect.

[angel1980]

From my many year of following CT, I've seen very little players able to coach@help others (other than shouting and/or yelling to do things).

So, if Misaki@Tsubasa@Hyuga (except Genzo coz he's a GK, and GK can help others) are permenant footballer injured (aka not able to play FOR GOOD), then they don't seem to have a future. All of them indulge on their own pursuit and very little on helping other trains.

Tsubasa (@ copycat everything player) can only learn much but teaching is something that he hasn't been seeing doing much (maybe too little). Hyuga can only force his junior the hardship of his train but the skill ~ naadah. Misaki, he learns new things and invent somewhat similar but new skill (not like God-sent-copier machine player) but teaching is also his weak point (in CT). So, only Genzo may pass some pointers of GK (but maybe isn't as efficient as his intuition) skill to other GK.

Misugi and Matsuyama on other hand always do team work and able to teach others (well, look at their school teamworks) on strategy. They are a real future hope of football coach@manager in CT (of course) but they are the 2nd tier character in CT (from the coverage that we seen). Well, Matsuyama may a little lower in terms of strategy than Misugi (but hey, Misugi is better than anyone in Japanese team but his condition makes him downed and even lost too many time to opposition whom lost to Tsubasa when one-on-one).

Agreed with most of your points. Just want to point out: Huyga is not original either.

The Bullet Shot, Tiget Shot, and Neo Tiger Shot are not really special shots. The first is just a strong straight shot and the latter 2 are improvements of the first. And Huyga learns these from the drinking coach.

Breaking Dribble is just brute force.

And the Raiju Shot is an application to soccer of what Huyga has seen from the baseball girl.

Occasionally, Huya would do something new: the Volley Tiger Shot or twin shots with people or return shots. But Tsubasa does new things too: the Overhead Drive Shot, twin shots, Phoenix Drive Shot (one-time against Ken).

So what I mean is: Tsubasa does copy skills of others but in the CT world, this is not singular. The Huyga argument above supports this. And, in fact, we can't know one way or another whether other players (especially, the non-Japanese ones) have attained their skills by imitation.

["~Mail~"]

Well, I didn't say Hyuga has original moves, rather than his policy on training hard like crazy (shooting towards waves, dribbling while sending paper to the neighborhood, etc..) and Misaki the one's with the new invention shots.

Yes, Hyuga and most other non-Japanese player learn their moves@skill shots by imitation, but Tsubasa mostly from direct clash (he still doesn't do the Hyuga shot a lot because Hyuga shots is about raw power than the elegance of the shots) with other and learn@copy from it. Sho is about repelling the shot by learning the axle@base of the opponent shot (is it Sho or the Korean dude??).

[Shinji]

You're saying that just because you don't like Tsubasa.

I'm not really fond of him either, but we have seen many examples proving your points wrong:
First his coaching skills, he's the one who coached Nankatsu during their V3. Thanks to him, all the players in Nankatsu improved, for example he told Taki that he was relying too much on his side line dribble, so he started other attack patterns.
During the european campaign, again, he's the one who gave advices to the team during Matsuyama's captainship, that's when Matsuyama decided that Tsubasa should be the captain.
During the World Youth, he's also the one who coached the whole team when they discovered that Tsubasa was hiding his true skills. The ultimate team play of Japan against Brazil was also under his command.
And he's also the one who coached the Barca B players, I think that the moment he told this Barca B player to run immediately after his pass is still fresh in everyone's mind...

Sure, these coaching skills came probably a bit later than Misugi's tactics skills or Matsuyama's teamwork skills that were already shown in the juveniles tournament. But that's all there is to it. They're no better than him in that matter now.

As for making things up, Tsubasa is probably the best in Japan. Of course he's copying, of course he learnt some things from Roberto, but that's not the only things he did. He's actually the only one to create techniques in the middle of a match... The Banana Shoot against Shutetsu, The Zenten Shoot against Meiwa, the way he blocks powerful shoots with both legs (against Meiwa or Uruguay), the defense he used against the Skylab, the Counter Shoot against Toho, the Back Spin Pass, the Counter Arrow Shoot against China, the Lifting Dribble against Uruguay, the Sky Dive Shoot which, even though seemed useless to Roberto at first, turned out to be the ultimate teamwork technique...
And I didn't include all those techniques he modified himself given the circumstances: the Phoenix Drive Shoot against Furano, the Miracle Drive against Toho, the Drive Pass against Argentina, the Drive Overhead against Germany, the rotating Flying Drive Shoot against Sweden...
Or the techniques he created to help others: when he pushed Misaki in Germany's goal, the Drive Tiger Twin Shoot, the Jumping Raiju Shoot...
Matsuyama didn't really create anything with the Eagle Shot, it's maybe a stronger version of Tsubasa's last goal against Musashi. Misugi... Well, Misugi is just using Tsubasa's shoots later than him. As for Misaki, the only shoot he "created" so far is the Boomerang Shoot, and it was inspired from a real boomerang...

As for the hard work, it's clear enough that Tsubasa doesn't lose to anyone in that matter, he trained harder or just as hard as Hyuga or Matsuyama in the european campaign, he was training all night long unlike anyone else during the World Youth...

[majed2000]

You're saying that just because you don't like Tsubasa.

I'm not really fond of him either, but we have seen many examples proving your points wrong:
First his coaching skills, he's the one who coached Nankatsu during their V3. Thanks to him, all the players in Nankatsu improved, for example he told Taki that he was relying too much on his side line dribble, so he started other attack patterns.
During the european campaign, again, he's the one who gave advices to the team during Matsuyama's captainship, that's when Matsuyama decided that Tsubasa should be the captain.
During the World Youth, he's also the one who coached the whole team when they discovered that Tsubasa was hiding his true skills. The ultimate team play of Japan against Brazil was also under his command.
And he's also the one who coached the Barca B players, I think that the moment he told this Barca B player to run immediately after his pass is still fresh in everyone's mind...

Sure, these coaching skills came probably a bit later than Misugi's tactics skills or Matsuyama's teamwork skills that were already shown in the juveniles tournament. But that's all there is to it. They're no better than him in that matter now.

As for making things up, Tsubasa is probably the best in Japan. Of course he's copying, of course he learnt some things from Roberto, but that's not the only things he did. He's actually the only one to create techniques in the middle of a match... The Banana Shoot against Shutetsu, The Zenten Shoot against Meiwa, the way he blocks powerful shoots with both legs (against Meiwa or Uruguay), the defense he used against the Skylab, the Counter Shoot against Toho, the Back Spin Pass, the Counter Arrow Shoot against China, the Lifting Dribble against Uruguay, the Sky Dive Shoot which, even though seemed useless to Roberto at first, turned out to be the ultimate teamwork technique...
And I didn't include all those techniques he modified himself given the circumstances: the Phoenix Drive Shoot against Furano, the Miracle Drive against Toho, the Drive Pass against Argentina, the Drive Overhead against Germany, the rotating Flying Drive Shoot against Sweden...
Or the techniques he created to help others: when he pushed Misaki in Germany's goal, the Drive Tiger Twin Shoot, the Jumping Raiju Shoot...
Matsuyama didn't really create anything with the Eagle Shot, it's maybe a stronger version of Tsubasa's last goal against Musashi. Misugi... Well, Misugi is just using Tsubasa's shoots later than him. As for Misaki, the only shoot he "created" so far is the Boomerang Shoot, and it was inspired from a real boomerang...

As for the hard work, it's clear enough that Tsubasa doesn't lose to anyone in that matter, he trained harder or just as hard as Hyuga or Matsuyama in the european campaign, he was training all night long unlike anyone else during the World Youth...

i really wanted to defend tsubasa ,but i won't find a better way ,thankx shinji.