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Kaiten
February 17, 2009, 10:42 AM
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Historie
By: IWAAKI Hitoshi (http://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=610)
Genre: Historical, Drama, Action
Serialized In: Monthly Afternoon
Mangaupdates (http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=3548)

Historie takes place at the dawn of the Hellenistic period, when Greek culture and military came to dominate the Eastern Mediterranean. A fictionalized account of the life of Eumenes, the story begins in his childhood and follows his rise to become secretary and later general of Alexander the Great. While taking great liberties with the details of Eumenes life, Iwaaki creates an accurate portrayal of classical Greece; the culture, class society, and history. The story reflects structures and plot devices similar to those used in Greek writing. An excellent manga, perfect for fans of Vinland Saga and Vagabond.

PitylessEnvy
February 20, 2009, 09:15 PM
5 volumes now, and over five years.

But yeah, it's a great series, even if the monthly/bimonthly release schedule is kind of annoying. It's completely worth it though. You probably should have taken more time reading it :).

Also, I recommend the Kiseijuu, a manga by the same author, and really awesome.

garpjr1188
February 23, 2009, 04:03 AM
5 volumes now, and over five years.

But yeah, it's a great series, even if the monthly/bimonthly release schedule is kind of annoying. It's completely worth it though. You probably should have taken more time reading it :).

Also, I recommend the Kiseijuu, a manga by the same author, and really awesome.

its a ggood thing that ist updated almost daily now...the latest c51 is already up but i cant DL it as of the moment..

i will also try that Kiseijuu, tnx for the suggestion...Historie is one of my favorites...great manga

PitylessEnvy
February 23, 2009, 06:55 PM
You can get Historie chapter 51 off of Mangatraders.

thelwcd
February 27, 2009, 01:23 PM
Its nice to read about this in a manga .
A couple links since i have visited most of the places .
Ancient capitol Aiges .
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&t=h&lci=lmc:youtube,lmc:wikipedia_en&layer=x&g=Aiges&ll=40.475762,22.319455&spn=0.011426,0.019312&z=16
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina
The exhibits are in Thessaloniki archaeological museum , i was amazed by "the golden and ivory panoply of the dead King Philip the 2nd father of Alexander" (panoply is the armor in which they fought)
Parmenion contains spoilers
http://www.livius.org/pan-paz/parmenion/parmenion.htm
The culture center of Macedonia , ancient city of Dion .
http://www.ancientdion.org/
The town of Aristotle teacher of Alexander
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&ie=UTF8&t=h&lci=lmc:youtube,lmc:wikipedia_en&layer=x&g=Aiges&ll=40.530306,23.750124&spn=0.011416,0.019312&z=16
EUMENES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eumenes
btw Eumenes probably means benevolent, favourable, propitious .


The story is going to be epic .

Hauteville House
March 02, 2009, 01:39 PM
I enjoy very much this manga. I don't know the author's other works but Historie is very captivating with its solid storytelling and well developped characters.

bluemonster
March 04, 2009, 08:28 AM
Just finished reading the everything up to 51 today. Now I wished I read slower. It's a fantastic manga. I also readed the mangaka's Parasyte which wasn't as good.

By the way does anyone know
why Alexander has a snake on his face? I thought he was more associated to lion? And what's up with the woman and the snake?

PitylessEnvy
March 05, 2009, 12:01 AM
The "woman" is Alexanders mom. That might have something to do with.

bluemonster
March 05, 2009, 11:17 PM
Okay that makes a lot more sense though now I'm really curious about his mother.

thelwcd
March 10, 2009, 05:52 PM
Okay that means a lot more sense though now I'm really curious about his mother.

Olumpias (mother of Alexander) was one of King Phillipos the 2nd , wifes (he had a lot) . She was not a Macedonian , she was Royalty in the Kingdom of Hpeiros (south-west of Macedonia) . She was trained as a priestess of Dionisos (bacxes) mysticism in the island of Samothrace (she had extensive knowledge of poison and drugs because of that) . She was a real bitch .
Perhaps thats the story behind the snake (the fact that she knew about drugs and poisons being a priestess of Dionisos .
[hr]
Chapter 52 has been translated by HoX
You can read it here
http://www.onemanga.com/Historie/52/

thelwcd
May 25, 2009, 09:35 PM
Chapter 54 is translated by Hox is upped in onemanga .
Couple of photos from Mieza Aristotle's School .
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Aristotle&w=50183570%40N00

Enjoy .

Okuni Sensei
May 26, 2009, 04:50 AM
She was trained as a priestess of Dionisos (bacxes) mysticism in the island of Samothrace (she had extensive knowledge of poison and drugs because of that) . She was a real bitch .
Perhaps that's the story behind the snake (the fact that she knew about drugs and poisons being a priestess of Dionisos .
Yeah. In addition snakes are old symbols of fertility. It's no surprise to find them around a priestess of Dyonisos.

The legends of Alexander says he was the son of Olympias and the god Zeus. Because of her snakes sleeping with her, Phillipos couldn't spend nights with her. At least it's the propaganda developed by Alexander himself to justify his expansionist policy during his reign and his own exceptionalness.
It's possible (it's just a theory) the author wanted to symbolize that by adding a "birth mark" which looks like a snake. And Olympias may be completely crazy about it (as if she really need it... :p).

thelwcd
May 26, 2009, 04:16 PM
Yeah. In addition snakes are old symbols of fertility. It's no surprise to find them around a priestess of Dyonisos.

The legends of Alexander says he was the son of Olympias and the god Zeus. Because of her snakes sleeping with her, Phillipos couldn't spend nights with her. At least it's the propaganda developed by Alexander himself to justify his expansionist policy during his reign and his own exceptionalness.
It's possible (it's just a theory) the author wanted to symbolize that by adding a "birth mark" which looks like a snake. And Olympias may be completely crazy about it (as if she really need it... :p).

The legends of Alexander says he was the son of Olympias and the god Zeus.
This is not exactly true , when Alexander conquered Egypt he went to a famous Egyptian temple , there the priests told him that he was of divine origin . From what i have read Alexander wanted to surpass his father military achievements(there always was a comparison with the son & the father) and he loved the story about Achilles and Troy from Homer . He preferred a short but bright life .
The other Greeks would never accept him as a descendant of Gods(they would consider it Hybris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris ) this was more propaganda for the Persians and Egyptians to accept him as a legitimate ruler of their land .
Actually Phillipos the 2nd had a lot of wifes and Olumpias was a marriage for political reasons to ally with the Kingdom of Hpeiros . Also Phillipos did not like Olumpias very much because she was a skimmer .
She was the one to arrange all the murders to the other heirs when Phillipos died

Okuni Sensei
May 26, 2009, 04:49 PM
"Not exactly true"... I never said the propaganda was for the Greeks :p
It would have been pointless.

For Olympias I assume than the author choose to use some parts of the legends around Alexander more than the purely historical aspect. He wouldn't have been that insisting about the snakes, which are definitively false stories. Who will be able to sleep with pythons? no one is that suicidal :)

The problem is, a lot was said during his life, and after. Difficult to know what is right or wrong. Even the Egyptian priest story has to be told with some "perhaps", because it's could be a part of the propaganda for the Egyptians. They would be more receptive if the priest is, what a coincidence, a Egyptian one.
It seems Alexander wanted to create a legend of himself, he developed a complete history who begun before his birth. Of course the will of surpassing his father existed, but I think it was more than that. He loved epic stories, he wanted his own story being as exceptional as the ones of his heroes.

He succeeded, or this manga would have never existed :3

Hard_Rock
May 30, 2009, 03:08 PM
It would be great if this manga goes to the rest of Eumenes's life, not only childhood. I mean, the current storyline is awesome, but his life after Alexander's death was also very interesting, i won't spoil but check on wikipedia if you want. Eumenes is definitely a fascinating character and I was very surprised when reading his actions in Diadochi wars, his role wasn't insignificant at all although you don't learn at all about this in school.

thelwcd
July 27, 2009, 04:13 PM
Finestela has posted the raws for Historie 55
you can view them here http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/42930
btw there are couple of Greek words in page 23 for anyone who wants the translation .
ΑΝΑΤΟΜΗ = something close to Anatomy (the basic procedure for collecting data for anatomy is called ΑΝΑΤΟΜΗ in greek) i dont know the medical term .
ΑΝΑΤΟΜΙΑ=Anatomy
ΙΧΘΥΣ= fish
ΚΑΡΔΙΑ= heart
ΗΠΑΡ= Liver
ΕΝΤΕΡΟΝ= intestine
ΓΑΣΤΗΡ= stomach ( gastric acid for example)

Nomad Soul
July 27, 2009, 05:47 PM
Aaah, Historie. Those were the days. I have faint memory of us scanlating the first four volumes. I should have known better. ;)

Kaiten
November 30, 2010, 07:33 PM
Chapter 65 is out. Not bad, nothing really happened this month. At least Eumenes appeared at the end, maybe he'll be the focus again in December. I'm getting sick of the amount of time Iwaaki is spending on establishing what a nice guy Alexander is.

baboysai
March 27, 2011, 01:00 PM
chapter 68 is out. This chapter is so badass. Like, the ultimate basking in glory. :wtf

Kaiten
March 27, 2011, 03:52 PM
I've been waiting for this chapter for months! The Macedonian army on the move, Eumenes glorious return, and the plot goes back into action. Eumenes forcing Hecataeus to lead his horse was glorious. I can't wait to see what enfolds, how Eumenes uses his past to manipulare the elders of Cardia. So nice to have the focus back on the main character.

Roflkopt3r
March 27, 2011, 05:44 PM
It's really making me just more curious for the future what will come. Nice win situation there for Eumenes :D

Maikeru Anjero
March 31, 2011, 04:15 PM
My complain for this chapter is how short this chapter is.
How Hecataeus fate after this? With Eu is back with a higher position from him, at least I would like Eumenes name cleared and the truth of the killing was revealed to the public.
Hecataeus walking and Eumenes riding his horse, showing their position now is a good thing to see.
I wonder if two friends of Eumenes and brother will play an important role in the next story.
Childhood girlfriend has married someone else, so I do not think she will appear again. She already throw away momento of Eumenes and said she does not want slave acquaintance anyway.

baboysai
May 25, 2011, 07:45 AM
There's a new chapter out. Ch 69 by Hox. What do you guys think?

Kaiten
May 26, 2011, 10:58 PM
Great chapter. Eumenes bossing around the guy (forgot his name) who sold him into slavery and seeing the beginnings of each sides war strategy was fantastic. I guess the series proper starts now, with Philip beginning his conquests.

One complaint: Iwaaki's backgrounds suck. And the worst part is, he is doing it deliberately. All of the backgrounds were sketches, it's obvious he's waiting for the tankobon to fill them in. He's always done this, but with the war about to start it's so much more conspicuous.

baboysai
May 27, 2011, 04:51 AM
lol I never cared for the backgrounds.

hmm, i'm not familiar with this part of history... does Alexander not appear in this war?

Kaiten
May 27, 2011, 12:39 PM
I'm worried that when the war starts, the detail in the art will be lacking. Iwaaki does really nice work for the tankobon too.

Alexander is still to young. Philip completes the conquest of Greece before being assassinated. Alexander conquers the Persians after succeeding his father. He is about 20 years old when he becomes king, he should be 15 or 16 at this point in the story.

You Say
October 29, 2011, 03:02 AM
After FOUR insanely long months Hitoshi Iwaaki drawed new chapter! Fairly good chapter I must say. He uncovered a little part of Macedonian strategy and finally introduces "that" great general and person. I'm not sure if it's actual historical fact but my teacher of history once told me that Phocion had sometimes a great sense of humor. He allegedly told into face of some other general that: "People would kill you right now, if they came to they senses." or something like that. I hope this will appear in main story.

And the seventh volume of Historie (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%92%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A8-7-%E3%82%A2%E3%83%95%E3%82%BF%E3%83%8C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3KC-%E5%B2%A9%E6%98%8E-%E5%9D%87/dp/4063107876/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319874074&sr=1-1) will be released at 22nd of Nowember. There should be Eumenes' chess version included. And the chapter itself can be found at Hox Scanlations (http://hoxtranslations.blogspot.com/2011/10/phocion-good.html).

TheMoa
November 01, 2011, 09:07 PM
What a great manga. I started today and already passed through all 71 chapters.

I'm curious about the war developments.

Hamy
November 04, 2011, 01:06 AM
One complaint: Iwaaki's backgrounds suck. And the worst part is, he is doing it deliberately. All of the backgrounds were sketches, it's obvious he's waiting for the tankobon to fill them in. He's always done this, but with the war about to start it's so much more conspicuous.

This is my complaint as well its far TOO noticeable, ala HXH, it just reeks of a rush job (which is odd because this isn't a weekly but monthly series). Moreover, I also do have qualms about the liberties he's taken, i.e. the so called split personality of Alexander (there was only one letter but even then it could easily have been a saying besides it completely disregards the few facts known about Hephastion and went hog wild going with his own liberties). I'm not TOO impressed given that the selling point of this manga is that it is a sort of historical recreation, course there is fiction but for those more familiar with history would easily find very noticeable liberties (the chess game and CPR anybody XD) that require too much suspension of disbelief.

In fact this is why I see background art as being important as it does show the know how of the author with regard to the details of his/her manga. With a historical manga such as this it does reflect as well to certain facts used or rather misused that does lead to misinformation to readers not aware of the history, in turn making me question the aim of the manga that wanted to pay reverence to it. It also is a waste IMO of the educational aspect that this sort of rare genre has to offer. I can rant on and on but for a better comparison I'd just compare Kaoru Mori's works to Iwaaki Hitoshi, they both made other historical mangas, to see the difference in their ability to take note of details and how that relates quite well to the history they are depicting in their manga.

Anycase I do not think Eumenes would get together with his first girlfriend as his wife historically is the younger sister of Barsine~.

Josef K.
September 26, 2012, 06:53 AM
http://imgbox.com/acuwi6cP

So Historie is back with a cover for the magazine it seems, thanks to redon for the cover.^^

You Say
November 28, 2012, 04:08 PM
So, new chapter is out. But I have a different thing on my mind. I was recently rereading 7th volume and I noticed something wierd about Eumenes' clothes. So I took a look at the magazine chapters and I noticed this change (in spoiler below). When I was reading chapter it seemed kind of weird to me that Eumenes was wearing an armour because he wasn't participating in this campaign as a military leader. And Iwaaki seriously changed it for bundled release. That man is truly a genius.

http://t.imgbox.com/acpoIrkL.jpg (http://imgbox.com/acpoIrkL)

Iwaaki and sketches in magazine chapters. This topic is mentioned pretty often. I personally don't give a damn about it. Iwaaki is author I deeply respect and I'm willing to wait a year and half or even more for one great volume of Historie. I think that he works without assistants because there's never a page with mentioned staff or anything. And if he would have assistants, why wouldn't he let them make backgrounds, right? Historie is Iwaaki's work which he writes and draws "for himself". I mean he has (really) great mangaka career behind him - Hone no Oto, Tanabata no Kuni, Heureka and of course Kiseijuu, magnificent piece of art which catapulted Iwaaki to the ranks of seriously respected authors in Japan (It sold over 10 millions copies). And he wrote even more stuff. So he really deserves unrestricted schedule.

By the Gods, I wish publishers would just stop licensing trash and went for something like this masterpiece.

baboysai
November 30, 2012, 12:36 AM
I'm beginning to think it's better to read this manga in one bulk... I forget the details and names too much if it's monthly...

rajin
December 25, 2012, 08:49 AM
HISTORIE 79 RAW READ
http://raw.senmanga.com/Historie/79/1