The Psy Power Thread

[Koen]

Psy powers. We have three main area and tons of specific psy powers: from cure to visions, from pyrokinesis to telekinesis.

My question: in what main are would you be (poll) and thus your psy specified power.

[Arvael]

Hmm... I think I'd like it to be telekinesis... I've always wanted do to that *.* Or flying xD
Why?
Telekinesis: dunno. Maybe I'm too lazy xD
Flying: have you ever had a dream where you flew? If yes, then you already know my answer. If not, then... you should have one :D

PS.: sorry for barging in here, in the Psyren section^^" I've been lurking here for sometime, I just... I guess never had an inspiration to post before^^""" (don't know why xD)

[Koen]

Arvael always feel free to post in here instead of lurking around ;) Your input and everyone's else (like host said somewhere else) can make this comunnity active and enjoyable

Anyway, yeah flying is awesome once you could do it. Mine is pyrokinesis, I have always like telekinesis too, but a fire has always been impressing. Controlling something that can be so dealy when uncontrolled is so great if you ask me :)

[Arvael]

Thanks :D

Anyway, in that case you can pick any other element, too since every one of them has a destructable and deadly side, too :P And you're right about what could become of them if uncontrolled - so this is an even greater risk.
Pyrokinesis certainly is amazing, but you'll have to have perfect control ;P

[Koen]

Well yeah, that's why I would like that power. Knowing it's very dangerous if you can't control it, it would be very cool if you could control the fire.

I wonder what other powers may come, anyway my top 3:
1. Pyrokinesis
2. Telekenesis
3. Visions (to be able to see upcoming danger, creepy and but cool)

[Arvael]

Yeah, but that also rests on your shoulders. I mean knowing you continously need to concentrate on that power of yours >>.<<
... On second thought, this could be true for any other psych power xD

Hm... visions... you'll definitely need a backbone for that.*

*don't take it literally! x'P

I'll stay with telekinesis and flying. Moreover! Only telekinesis! If I know telekinesis, then I can fly! (or at least levitate xD)

[big_p]

I would go with Shiner's teleportation because I have always loved the idea of being able to move as fast as possible, especially in a fight.

BTW, have Shiner's feet ever touched the ground? Cuz if he flys that just makes it that much better.

After that would be the pyrokinesis, because I believe there is a pyro in all of us. especially me.

[Ayle]

Hmm... I think I'd like it to be telekinesis... I've always wanted do to that *.* Or flying xD
Why?
Telekinesis: dunno. Maybe I'm too lazy xD
Flying: have you ever had a dream where you flew? If yes, then you already know my answer. If not, then... you should have one :D

PS.: sorry for barging in here, in the Psyren section^^" I've been lurking here for sometime, I just... I guess never had an inspiration to post before^^""" (don't know why xD)

You can use telekinesis on yourself to fly. And if your telekinesis is powerful enough to act at the atomic level you can create nuclear explosion by splitting atoms ^^.

[Arvael]

If Shiner's feet ever touched the ground then he would've fallen over xDD I mean... look at his feet! It doesn't seem like he can easily stand^^""
But teleportation is great :) Or if you only want to move faster, you can always use rise (?) to pick up your speed :D

Ayle... I didn't think of it that way. But now that you mention it... ;P

[Koen]

Well Shiner's flying reminds me of some magnetism he's using but that couldn't work out with his teleportation ability unless it can or wise and other psy powered people aren't restricted to one main power.

Anyway I totally forgot but shao seems to combine different skills? are those restricted to one psy power?

[Blackthornhiei]

In the first page of chap 45, Shiner feet are actually touching the floating platform during the Star Commanders meeting. Or at least it looks like he's stading on it instead of hovering over it.

He probably prefers to just hover around.

[LuffyCloud]

I want to have the PSI Power from Kyle. I like his Zone Typ PSI "Material High" a lot.

[Raijatsu]

Hmm I'd go with

1. Telekinesis (would make a lot of stuff easier)
2. Teleportation , hey I could get to any place i want without having to pay for a flight :D
3. Maybe Rise taht would be really cool

[Wowzers]

I would combine 2 skills together:
1. Use Rise to raise your body's physical speed, strength and metabolic rate
2. Use Trance to raise the speed of your mental capacity
Everyone else looks like they are standing still so you can attack however you like and always have plenty of time to think up alternatives.

[Flow9]

i would just want the healing power...i could turn it to cash by working my miracles.
that would be awesome

[shouryuujo]

I want anything/everything protective and healing. Since I am not going to battle with other psykers/people theres really no need for any offensive powers at all. Protective and healing powers on the other hand comes in very handy in case getting into accident (nuclear blast). I wouldnt show off my powers since the mind can only do so much before succumbing to the waves of government agents and scientists...

[Koen]

I want anything/everything protective and healing. Since I am not going to battle with other psykers/people theres really no need for any offensive powers at all. Protective and healing powers on the other hand comes in very handy in case getting into accident (nuclear blast). I wouldnt show off my powers since the mind can only do so much before succumbing to the waves of government agents and scientists...

and if you were to ask to have a minimal attacking power. Suppose your protective skill or healing powers aren't fine enough to defend yourself but some attacking power could help fix that situation. What would you pick?

[Tsukisama]

and if you were to ask to have a minimal attacking power. Suppose your protective skill or healing powers aren't fine enough to defend yourself but some attacking power could help fix that situation. What would you pick?

You're making it seem like passive powers aren't as good as offensive powers, Koen. :notrust Passive powers can be just as awesome or even more awesome than offensive powers. Regeneration is fairly useful power and could result in reduced aging effects.

If I were to choose a power, I feel that I would be most drawn to some sort of extrasensory perception like clairvoyance (precognition, retrocognition, remote viewing, etc.) or telepathy. Although the allure of a more active power like some form of psychokinesis would be alluring, being able to gain greater insight and experience the world in greater, more profound ways seems like something that would be ultimately more worthwhile.

[Koen]

You're making it seem like passive powers aren't as good as offensive powers, Koen. :notrust Passive powers can be just as awesome or even more awesome than offensive powers. Regeneration is fairly useful power and could result in reduced aging effects.

If I were to choose a power, I feel that I would be most drawn to some sort of extrasensory perception like clairvoyance (precognition, retrocognition, remote viewing, etc.) or telepathy. Although the allure of a more active power like some form of psychokinesis would be alluring, being able to gain greater insight and experience the world in greater, more profound ways seems like something that would be ultimately more worthwhile.

No I certainly didn't want to offend the passive powers or restrict it to a defensive attack only. I just wondered what active power someone would want if his passive power wouldn't be good enough to defend or attack his opponent. If I were to choose a passive power then I would pick telepathy. So you see, I have answered that question on my part too ;)

Btw, as someone referred to pyrokinesis being very destructive and dangerous for him (as you should be able to control it perfectly or it could do more harm); I would fear to have a passive power.

[Tsukisama]

No I certainly didn't want to offend the passive powers or restrict it to a defensive attack only. I just wondered what active power someone would want if his passive power wouldn't be good enough to defend or attack his opponent. If I were to choose a passive power then I would pick telepathy. So you see, I have answered that question on my part too ;)

Btw, as someone referred to pyrokinesis being very destructive and dangerous for him (as you should be able to control it perfectly or it could do more harm); I would fear to have a passive power.

That attitude that one should need an active power is what I was talking about, Koen. :p Someone could be perfectly content with a passive power and still manage well enough in a world with people with active powers. Elmore, for example, only has a passive power, and she has managed to live for quite some time.

I suppose if I were to choose an active power, I would want power over timespace, chronokinesis (stopping/shifting/traveling through time and space).

[Koen]

That attitude that one should need an active power is what I was talking about, Koen. :p Someone could be perfectly content with a passive power and still manage well enough in a world with people with active powers. Elmore, for example, only has a passive power, and she has managed to live for quite some time.

I suppose if I were to choose an active power, I would want power over timespace, chronokinesis (stopping/shifting/traveling through time and space).

Lol, you know what... Shou you can forget what I asked as for you too, tsuki ;). So forgive me if you all felt that way. I completely understand people want to use only passive powers. I never wanted to pull out the active-power-only-attitude :)

another question: would you take the burden of pyrokinesis? Because it's often referred as a power most people would fear in case they couldn't control it.

[Tsukisama]

On behalf of people who prefer passive powers, I accept your apology, Koen. :lovebunny

@your question: I could think of plenty of powers that might be more dangerous than pyrokinesis; my suggested active power of chronokinesis would be an example of a more potentially dangerous power if not properly controlled. The "burden" of pyrokinesis would thus not be a drawback for me. I simply wouldn't want it, because I am not that interested in starting fires. :p

Almost all special powers, especially the active ones, have some inherent risk if not properly controlled. (Passive powers could also be risky, but they when used without control would typically be more dangerous for the user than for other people.) Imagine someone with uncontrolled telekinesis hurling things about at dangerous speeds, someone freezing things unrestrained with cryokinesis, or someone accidentally causing people to do terrible things with mind control. So, pyrokinesis is not really alone in this aspect.

[shouryuujo]

and if you were to ask to have a minimal attacking power. Suppose your protective skill or healing powers aren't fine enough to defend yourself but some attacking power could help fix that situation. What would you pick?

I am avid reader of Gantz so my attack power probably be telekinetic type where i stop the heart - not messy and not easily detected...

[Wowzers]

... If I were to choose a power, I feel that I would be most drawn to some sort of extrasensory perception like clairvoyance (precognition, retrocognition, remote viewing, etc.) or telepathy....

Retrocognition? Haven't heard of that one before. Is it where you see visions of people from the '70s?? :XD
Seeing as it was after precognition I'll go out on a limb and suggest it is seeing visions of the past instead of the future.

How about an ability called "Collective Consciousness". With this ability you can draw on the knowledge and skills of anyone and everyone within range... mental skills anyway. This wouldn't give you any physical abilities but would allow you to borrow unused mental capacity in other people and you could also experience the world through their senses.

[Onomatopoeia]

I suppose the question is really which one would I want and which one would actually be useful.

For instance Shiners teleportation powers would be badass but not really useful except to freak people out....

I guess I could build myself up as a prophet with Healing and Vision powers though...or a really rich dude. Play with the stocks make a million bucks, you know, like God from 20th Century Boys.

But yeah if this was a shounen world Shiners abilities or extreme telekenisis like Grana(sp?) would be perfect.

[shouryuujo]

I suppose the question is really which one would I want and which one would actually be useful.

For instance Shiners teleportation powers would be badass but not really useful except to freak people out....

I guess I could build myself up as a prophet with Healing and Vision powers though...or a really rich dude. Play with the stocks make a million bucks, you know, like God from 20th Century Boys.

But yeah if this was a shounen world Shiners abilities or extreme telekenisis like Grana(sp?) would be perfect.

teleportation is great! you save gas, can do crimes with very little trace back to you, long distance relationship and you save a ton of time from mundane way of traveling!

[Tsukisama]

Retrocognition? Haven't heard of that one before. Is it where you see visions of people from the '70s?? :XD
Seeing as it was after precognition I'll go out on a limb and suggest it is seeing visions of the past instead of the future.

How about an ability called "Collective Consciousness". With this ability you can draw on the knowledge and skills of anyone and everyone within range... mental skills anyway. This wouldn't give you any physical abilities but would allow you to borrow unused mental capacity in other people and you could also experience the world through their senses.

Yeah, "retrocognition" refers to visions of the past instead of the future. Finding out about history first hand could be very useful and applicable to real-life endeavors. Besides the many archaeological benefits, it could also be used for police investigations and legal trials, helping to prove someone innocent or guilty.

Your idea for collective consciousness is something I was trying to lump under a collective power of telepathy. With telepathy, you wouldn't just be able to hear others' thoughts or communicate your thoughts; you could also communicate your sensory information and knowledge as well. It could make learning much easier if you could just download the knowledge from someone else who already knows it.

The "collective consciousness" aspect also implies that you would be sharing your own senses and knowledge with others and could even imply having a hive mind (sharing one group consciousness across several bodies). That would in itself be an interesting experience but also somewhat scary (think the Borg from Star Trek for a scary example).

[Koen]

Retrocognition sounds cool. I like the idea having visions of the past. I also think it could be very useful just because the past itself means a lot to present too. It could help you out. Collective consciousness sounds creepy, I wouldn't like to share my senses, experiences, knowledge, etc with other people and I wouldn't want it form other people either. Though a mind control over someone by using telepathy that'll allow you to use the power of the controlled one would sound way nicer :)

[Wowzers]

When the police are hiring psychics, I think they are thinking of retrocognition since they figure the psychic will have a vision about what happened.

After thinking a little more about "Collective Consciousness" I came up with a couple of interesting scenarios.

1. Walk into a convention of cancer researchers. Each of the hundred or so researchers knows a lot about their little area but not so much of the other researcher's areas. The person with CC suddenly puts it all together and has the cure for cancer before walking out the door. Of course this wouldn't help much when he is out of range of the convention... say at the hospital next door trying to actually do the job.

2. Person with CC goes to the Olympics. Just because he is surrounded by Olympic level sprinters doesn't mean he can sprint as good or better then them... he'd probably know the training regimen inside out and backwards though.

3. Person with CC is trying to follow another person unobserved. On a busy street its dead easy! Can see through the eyes of the surrounding people. Not so easy outside of town. Could see through the eyes of the target though I guess.

There would have to be limits to this... say normal humans are unaware of anything going on. Latent psychiers would have an intense feeling of being watched. People with trained psi abilities would be able to tap into the cc as well.

[Charlie]

On behalf of people who prefer passive powers, I accept your apology, Koen. :lovebunny
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Boo! boo! boo! boo! boo! :p :yaha

As a kid, one of the powers that intrigued me the most was the power of flight. I've always liked the idea of flying by yourself, without the plane or wings deal. Somewhat superman like, so if I had to choose a power it would be something related to psychokinesis.

Flight being one of the added benefits, branching into a whole host of telekinetic powers.

[Koen]

and so... What has been popping up in my mind but I didn't see someone saying visions. Visions is also a passive power, among psyren fans known as the power kabuto has. Wouldn't you like or would you fear/dislike the idea to see a light that represents menace. You'd be able to anticipate an attack before the attack itself is launched on you since you can see and feel the attack's danger and threat before. So any comments about visions?

[Tsukisama]

and so... What has been popping up in my mind but I didn't see someone saying visions. Visions is also a passive power, among psyren fans known as the power kabuto has. Wouldn't you like or would you fear/dislike the idea to see a light that represents menace. You'd be able to anticipate an attack before the attack itself is launched on you since you can see and feel the attack's danger and threat before. So any comments about visions?

Well, being that I am one of the people at whom you hinted who does need actually read this manga, I am not entirely sure what this "visions" power is. From your description, it sounds like a visual, light-based version of Spiderman's "spidey sense," being able to warn the user about danger without actually giving any specific information on the danger.

If that assumption is correct, then I would be rather ambivalent about it. While it is nice to get a bit of a warning on danger, it would be far too vague to seem that useful to me. I would prefer a more descriptive form of clairvoyance.

[Koen]

Well, being that I am one of the people at whom you hinted who does need actually read this manga, I am not entirely sure what this "visions" power is. From your description, it sounds like a visual, light-based version of Spiderman's "spidey sense," being able to warn the user about danger without actually giving any specific information on the danger.

If that assumption is correct, then I would be rather ambivalent about it. While it is nice to get a bit of a warning on danger, it would be far too vague to seem that useful to me. I would prefer a more descriptive form of clairvoyance.

If you want to understand visions (menace)
Two main chapters
1) Explanation:
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/41/01/
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/41/01/
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/41/03/

2) How it works out:
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/41/16-17/

3) How it works out:
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/63/17/
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/63/18/
-> http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/63/19/

Well I think you made a good comparison. He basically sees a light. He can see danger, attacks before they started. The light represents a threat to him. In which way would it be far too vague to be usefull to you? Because it's short term passive power in contrast to clairvoyance?

ps: why these pages after the explanation. Well to convince you reading it ^^ ;)

[Tsukisama]

So, it is like I thought. I say it is too vague, because it does not give much description of what is happening. Yes, the light represents a danger, but how is the thing enveloped in the aura of light dangerous? Does this power answer that? No, it leaves the user in the dark (pun intended :XD).

So, I don't mind it being so short-term (even though I would prefer a clairvoyant ability with a larger spatio-temporal range), but I do mind the lack of descriptive, useful information that can be provided by this "visions" power. A much better clairvoyant ability would allow one to predict/see more accurately the future/past/something like Elmore's Millenium Kaleidoscope.

[Blackthornhiei]

Problem with Visions is that, unless you live in a really dangerous area (like Gotham City, or some other crime-ridden city), or if your job actually involves doing dangerous stuff, it wouldn't be that much useful in daily life.

Personally, I still don't know what kind of power I'd like.

[Koen]

Problem with Visions is that, unless you live in a really dangerous area (like Gotham City, or some other crime-ridden city), or if your job actually involves doing dangerous stuff, it wouldn't be that much useful in daily life.

Isn't that a matter of control or do you think visions can't be controlled? I always wonder if you could manifest the power to a certain degree of dangers. Yeah, you're kinda true that in a very dangerous are your eyes could hurt like hell but I don't think every danger should be showed with visions. Maybe it's a just a vision of a threat to yourself

[Blackthornhiei]

So far it looks to be a subconcious power. I don't see any way to actually control it, except maybe turning it on and off. But I could be wrong.

[Wowzers]

I wonder if there is a flip-side to visions: With training can he get a different glow around beneficial things? Can he also extend the time in advance he can see the glow? As per Shiner, Kabuto's menace has already got quite the lead time on danger (a few seconds).

He likes playing the lottery, so it might be able to tell him what number to pick or not pick. If he can extend the lead time a few hours. :XD

[big_p]

I know before I said I would prefer Teleportation, but after this latest chapter and seeing Kyle in action, I have got to admit that Material High and Rise combined are pretty sweet.

And if you ever run into Shao, then Teleportation doesn't seem to be worth shite.

So maybe now I would say Material High and Rise, followed by Pyrokinesis, followed by maybe some kinda Ice Kinesis thing, I mean we have seen Fire and Electricity.

[dedal_x]

Well, since the talk about Visions goes on...

Since this manga is a shounen filled with battles, then from the point of a person in those situations, I'd take up Visions and Cure.

Why? I dunno, that's my way of thinking maybe. (in the Bleach RP I'm in, my character is 100% support)

Visions would keep one alive for longer, and an alive weakling still can do more than a dead powerhouse. Cure would let companions live longer, and an alive weakling with alive nakama can do SHITLOADS of stuff. XD

[Koen]

Visions would keep one alive for longer, and an alive weakling still can do more than a dead powerhouse. Cure would let companions live longer, and an alive weakling with alive nakama can do SHITLOADS of stuff. XD

Nice said. Though at first sight Kabuto may look like a runaway chicken, he proofed how useful his power can be for his life of other's life at stake. Cure is awesome too, but in contrast to visions, oboro has proven to make it as an offensive attack. So, no this is not an assault on passive powers, but combine visions with rise and kabuto can have an importan input in deadly combats

[Blackthornhiei]

What Oboro did with his cure... I think a lot of us would try it out (I mean, I can't be the only one who tries to heal an enemy zombie in an RPG to see what happens. I would have done what Oboro did).

I agree that in a shonen manga situation, Visions could be a great skill to have. You can even use it to find the safest place to set up an ambush. With that in mind, I'd also take Visions and Cure.

[zmikez]

lol telekinesis wont let you fly :) by definition it is to move other objects, as such as you yourself aren't an object then you can't lift yourself :P

also if you had enough power to split an atom why would you need to? the amount of power it takes to split an atom you could turn diamonds into dust without trying as well as destroying any enemies by ripping them to shreads without a second thought lol. Also a nuclear fission explosion requires billions of atoms :P not just one lol

heh lets try not making it too overpowered :P

also remember almost everyone is capable of some form of telekinesis, some are just stronger than others (remember the touch me with your powers episode while they were learning how to use their powers?) lol anyways

I somewhat like the idea behind ageha's although mine would react to psi and destroy it. I would prefer a less powerful version that I could "absorb" psi and release it back towards the opponent, of course it would be a less powerful version than they used.

lol I like the idea of using someones own power against them :P good for lulz xD



also for the telekinesis.... you cant lift yourself but if you lift an object you are standing on :) or perhaps by condensing the air around you and well you get the idea :P be creative ftw


ah and I like black cats characters ability of time viewing, either slowing your perception of time or being able to see around 10 seconds into the future :)

[Algid]

lol telekinesis wont let you fly :) by definition it is to move other objects, as such as you yourself aren't an object then you can't lift yourself :P
Well, in the context of this story, we already know that it does let you fly; float actually, but it's pretty much the same thing.


also remember almost everyone is capable of some form of telekinesis, some are just stronger than others (remember the touch me with your powers episode while they were learning how to use their powers?) lol anyways
Not really, that was just for them to practice burst. Some people seem weak enough in a particular area that it doesn't manifest at all. For example, Kagetora only uses rise.



I'm agreeing with the people that said visions would be the most useful. Rise is already strong enough in most situations, being able to respond to the situation at hand quickly would be much more useful than destroying things in various ways.

[Tsukisama]

Since so many people seem to favor the Vision power, I have began to wonder something. In the story so far (correct me if I'm wrong), we have only seen two named Vision PSI abilities: Kabuto's Menace and Elmore's Millenium Kaleidoscope. From what is currently known about Elmore's power, it seems that she is able to view multiple versions of future events, giving her keen insight into future events. Kabuto's Menace, alternatively, involves auras of light illuminating dangerous things in his physical field of view. (I am not entirely sure if Elmore's power is literally bound to looking out of the specifc window of her house or not, but for the sake of the question that follows, let's assume that this "window" manifests in her mind and is not bound by a precise physical location.)

So, the question is which of those two types of Vision powers do you think is better (or, if you want to think of it differently, which would you prefer): Elmore's (offering more description and farther field of view into the future) or Kabuto's (offering information on present and imminent danger)?

I would prefer a type of Visions PSI ability like Elmore's. Being able to see events of the far future that may not even involve me directly seems more desirable. If I were in some sort of dangerous profession, a power like Kabuto's might be more useful to me, but since I would not likely endeavor into active participation in dangerous situations, I think a power like Elmore's would keep me good enough. (Obviously, she can't predict her own death; so, a power like Elmore's does not necessarily seem to give a lot of insight into one's own life when it comes to life-threatening situations, but that's fine for me, as I am not sure I would want to know when I die.)

(Also, I added the poll so that this thread's topic can remain a little closer to Psyren. :))

[Koen]

Not an easy choice to make. I think, it's a slight difference between the two though, I would prefer menace. Why? Well because menace is more specified and concrete. As soon as you see the light then you know the light represents a danger, a threat. Kabuto can see were the threat is going to occur. Remember when they fought dholaki, kabuto could see how the bird was standing in the light and knew that was the place were the threat of death would occur. There's almost no (or let's say less to millenium khaleidoscope) interpretation or reading of your power. Millenium Khaleidoscope asks a lot more brains to interpretate and understand the things that you see, it's too abstract for me. With both powers can you save people, anticipate to some worse events, etc... but well I think I'll go for menace

Imagine you have menace and you learned using rise. I think you could become overwhelming strong. Mark my words, but when kabuto will learn rise, he'll become very, very popular in this community


I restricted it to the three main psy area -> Trance, Burst and Rise.[/b] They are not to be confused with the specific powers of some drifter and psychicers. Let's say they are three main collections in which you can place the psy power.

http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/12/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/12/08/

-> their training and how it works out:
Burst: http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/12/14/
Trance: http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/28/07/

I don't remember the guys having trained in trance

[Waveblade]

Correct. We haven't seen them train in trance (Amemiya did before the story began) yet. And I like this new poll.

[Koen]

I voted for rise. My second one would be trance and burst the last one. Visions - menace - made an impression to me. I would like to have that power but as I said I certainly would like to use rise with it. It could be so fantastic. So kinda paradoxal but Rise N°1
[hr]
So we learned two new attacks:
- Shao has his onmyou shinra which seems to cancel out the psy flow of the attack
- Fuu has pyro queen "salamandra"

-> so any comments on them. Did one or both impress you a lot? Which one did you like the most?...?

[Tsukisama]

I voted for rise. My second one would be trance and burst the last one. Visions - menace - made an impression to me. I would like to have that power but as I said I certainly would like to use rise with it. It could be so fantastic. So kinda paradoxal but Rise N°1

I am a bit confused on this. I thought that visions and cure where hybrid PSI powers made from combining trance and rise and burst and rise, respectively. Thus, you would need to be very skilled in both main types to even manifest one of these hybrid types, yes? So, if that is so, how can you think of visions as merely being under trance or cure as being under rise? :confused


So we learned two new attacks:
- Shao has his onmyou shinra which seems to cancel out the psy flow of the attack
- Fuu has pyro queen "salamandra"

-> so any comments on them. Did one or both impress you a lot? Which one did you like the most?...?

Well, Fuu's pyro queen is more aesthetically impressive, but Shao's onmyou shinra seems to have a more varied, practical use, as it could potentially be used to fight a larger variety of foes. Since, however, I value aesthetics over practicality, I will go with the pyro queen. http://mescal.pixelized.ch/smilies/bunny.gif

[Koen]

I am a bit confused on this. I thought that visions and cure where hybrid PSI powers made from combining trance and rise and burst and rise, respectively. Thus, you would need to be very skilled in both main types to even manifest one of these hybrid types, yes? So, if that is so, how can you think of visions as merely being under trance or cure as being under rise? :confused

Yes and no. All psy power usage can be hybrid but you have to train for that.
Eg: Kabuto and menace. His Menace/ Visions is basically a trance skill. He never trained in rise. So basically the only thing he could do was seeing the dangers using his trance but he still needs to train in rise to strengthen his sensory skill (-> I think sahugani is the most fitted person to explain this.) At this moment Kabuto can only use his menace through the Trance way

And to answer this confusing question: Would I like trance (visions)? Yes but then I would definitely train very hard in rise.

[keater]

Yes and no. All psy power usage can be hybrid but you have to train for that.
Eg: Kabuto and menace. His Menace/ Visions is basically a trance skill. He never trained in rise. So basically the only thing he could do was seeing the dangers using his trance but he still needs to train in rise to strengthen his sensory skill (-> I think sahugani is the most fitted person to explain this.) At this moment Kabuto can only use his menace through the Trance way

And to answer this confusing question: Would I like trance (visions)? Yes but then I would definitely train very hard in rise.

As I see things, these personal skills aren't a matter of training in one thing or another. You either have it or you don't. For instance cure was made up of rise and burst I think. That means that apart from the cure skill, that person has a greater 'talent' for these two aspects of psy than normal. My thoughts, though.

Anyways as for psy skill - heightened senses. Eye sight, hearing, smell, reaction time, it would be a great and I think practical skill.

[Koen]

As I see things, these personal skills aren't a matter of training in one thing or another. You either have it or you don't. For instance cure was made up of rise and burst I think. That means that apart from the cure skill, that person has a greater 'talent' for these two aspects of psy than normal. My thoughts, though.

Anyways as for psy skill - heightened senses. Eye sight, hearing, smell, reaction time, it would be a great and I think practical skill.

Hmmmm... Sorry to say so but how do you explain kabuto regretted he didn't learn rise. It is possible some powers are hybrid skills but eventually there's certainly a training process behind it. Both ageha and asaga eg had to learn using burst and rise in two apart trainings

[Raichu]

If it were me I'll go with Burst,Trance and then rise...
I would be the type to use my powers from times to times though...
Telepathy would be the kind to use when I'm online alone.Really ideal for communication since I hate cellphones and phones xD...plus internet communication + notes.
I would more power up my body but I don't think that I really need that because I have a weak stamina.
Yeah...it would be a little bit of everything...

[keater]

Hmmmm... Sorry to say so but how do you explain kabuto regretted he didn't learn rise. It is possible some powers are hybrid skills but eventually there's certainly a training process behind it. Both ageha and asaga eg had to learn using burst and rise in two apart trainings
I think I didn't explain it as I should have. When Ageha and co started learning rise it was said that they were already using it without even knowing. So using rise, as Ageha does it obviously needs to be trained for. But using rise for a skill that is youre's and you can use it without any training what so ever? Why not. Oboro used cure without having any training in psy and yet it was said to be a complicated form of rise and burst.

[digitaldude]

I would learn trance and I would like to have menace as my special skill(not very useful in the real world,but a life saver in psyren literally) If I knew trance I would be clairvoyant, talk telepathically and maybe I could predict the future(lottery numbers!)

Does anyone know if nemeis Q is programmed by trance, because that would be awesome.

[Koen]

Does anyone know if nemeis Q is programmed by trance, because that would be awesome.

Trance is definitely one of the three. Since granny said that more psy powered people were controlling nemesis Q, I wouldn't be surprised if nemesis Q is a program that can use all three types of psy
[hr]

I think I didn't explain it as I should have. When Ageha and co started learning rise it was said that they were already using it without even knowing. So using rise, as Ageha does it obviously needs to be trained for. But using rise for a skill that is youre's and you can use it without any training what so ever? Why not. Oboro used cure without having any training in psy and yet it was said to be a complicated form of rise and burst.

Sorry I misunderstood you

but yeah there's the natural skill. Oboro used rise with his power so he didn't have any problems at all with the training. I just wonder if the natural skill aside, if you can learn to use all three types?

[Waveblade]

I think most have some degree of ability in all three sections but the ease of use differs with each person.

[keater]

Well it should be. I mean it doesn't mean you would be good in all three of them, but hey you could learn them.

As for nemesis Q, trance is a must, mind reading and all. Also some form of anti - cure for stopping hearts. But what I'm interested in is how the hell did they make him semi-intelligent?

[unok-kun]

Well it should be. I mean it doesn't mean you would be good in all three of them, but hey you could learn them.

As for nemesis Q, trance is a must, mind reading and all. Also some form of anti - cure for stopping hearts. But what I'm interested in is how the hell did they make him semi-intelligent?
I think it's Burst for killing, more than Rise. As for his intelligence... Rise maybe?

[digitaldude]

So turning drifters into dust is burst?

I think it`s trance for the mind or maybe the orginal is connected to nemesis Q using trance.Rise for the body functions and burst for getting rid of bad drifters.

[unok-kun]

Burst -> rending waves
Trance -> thought waves
Rise -> self-strengthening (both physical strength and senses)

So I think it's Burst to kill, Trance to read mind and Rise for the semi-intelligence.

[keater]

I'm voting for
Burst -> kill
Trance -> mind read, and the making of the mold from where the semi-intelligence comes. Like a way for responding to outside activities
Rise -> Has to do with the flying and killing I think

And since this is the power thread I want to ask a question. Where do the things absorbed by Agehas burst skill go? In nature nothing disappears. And the skill is shown to defile that. Alternative dimension anyone? It is a door after all.

[unok-kun]

I think "Melchsee's Door" is just a name, after all. Actually, the kanjis say "violent king's moon", which has nothing to do (actually the "violent king" should be Melchsee, the "demon" inside the mind of the MD's first user, but I don't know what's with moon -> door).

Ever heard of black holes? Matter doesn't either comes out of them...

[Tide]

Violent King may actually be a hidden psi creature like the dragon or that Lion we are seeing now

[Koen]

Violent King may actually be a hidden psi creature like the dragon or that Lion we are seeing now

Definitely a possibility since it's a burst based power. But it doesn't have to be necessarily a beast but yeah I really expect the programming will change Violent King's outlook