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naruto-niichan
April 12, 2009, 07:13 PM
Good morning everybody :D May I introduce myself? I’m Naruto-niichan XD (Kevin in RL). I’ve been reading mangas for two years now and I've started with Naruto (no surprise ^^). After two years of reading my list got a bit longer (I‘m currently reading 9 mangas) and I was thinking about reviewing some mangas. At the end I‘ve decided to make regular reviews about (the manga) D.Gray-man, because Naruto already has quite a lot of reviewers and D.Gray-man deserves a reviewer aswell.
But enough of the talking, let’s start the review and have fun reading


D.Gray-man Chapter 184: Neogyps


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The bloody angel Allen Walker

The chapter starts with a „dream“ of Allen, where he’s stabbed by his own sword. This reminds me of the scene with the Level 4, but who is talking to him?
Is it the 14th , Allen’s Innocence or his own inner doubts? I’m not quite sure, after we have seen Timothy it could be his Innocence but why should it talk to him now (with such an unfriendly manner)? I will come back to this later, but let’s go further for the moment.



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Noah or Innocence?

The voice talks to him when Allen asks himself where he is. We can see a holy symbol in the sky, it could be the mark on Allens left hand or the mark on the Noah’s skin.
Looking at the surroundings it seems more like a confused and shattered mind – the mind of the 14th.
„Stupid child... your soul needs to be saved“. Would an Innocence say anything like this? I doubt that, for me it’s the 14th who want to take control over Allen’s useless (from his point of view) soul. Feel free to discuss this point



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Yeah, the Noah have been waiting for a long time

After this short conversation Mana Walker appears. Now Allen isn't sure anymore if this is a bad dream or rather not and I'm not sure, too. We see that Allen’s name is fading as Mana speaks to him. That’s a clear sign for Allen’s slow change to the 14th.
Is it possible that a piece of Mana’s mind is inside him and tries to help his brother the 14th?
(Okay that might be a bit farfetched but it isn’t impossible >D )
Maybe the 14th uses the illusion of Mana to take control over Allen’s body as we can see in the next panel. Again, feel free to discuss this point ;D



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Don’t fu** with me ^^

And there he shows up again... A face that does not look very friendly >D Looking at his face, I don't believe that he was trying to kill the Earl only with positiv purpose. He seems very grey for me (white = good and black = bad) and his motives are totally unclear. I’m desperatly waiting for his backstory but back to topic.
The thing that matters me here is how easy the 14th took control over Allen’s body. It seems like he can do it every time he want to or was this only because of Allen’s fever? Speculating again, I'm left with a lot (unanswered) questions?



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The Beauty and the Beast

Kudos to Hoshino, what a great pose of Lenalee ** She shines brightly in this „dark“ chapter >D
Some fanservice from time to time is a nice thing, Lenalee x Allen would be awsome XD
Back to topic: The 14th notices her and gives Allen the upper hand over his body. (Or maybe Allen gains control over his body, I’m not sure).
Luckily Link stays out off the room because of Lenalee’s sleeping pose xD
It might be bad if Link has noticed something but for now only his friends have seen the 14th. That’s the next question: Does Allen remember that his mind was repressed by the 14th twice? Sadly it does'nt seem so but we will see...



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Who is this thing?

Even the Noahs have noticed the awakening of the 14th or at least they felt something. While Tyki goes wild wondering what this feeling could be, Road looks like she clearly knows what’s going on (Take a look at her gaze).It might be that the Earl will try to kill Allen very soon if you aks me....
But what is with this cullet? Who is this man/thing? Let’s look back to chapter 97:

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/96/11/

As Skin had fully woken up he appears for the first time and now again. Does that mean the 14th awakening will be coming soon? There’s a high probability but again, that’s only speculation. Back to the first question: Who is this guy?
The only answer I can imagine is Noah himself and that would also explain Tyki’s reaction. He represents Noah’s pleasure, of course to say that Noah is happy about the resurrection of the 14th, one piece of his own mind. So happy, that his pleasure is going wild... (that's only a theory) Let’s look back:

http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/98/05/

After reading the text I was wondering if the real devil could be Noah and not the Earl, but for the moment enough speculating, my head has started to burn >D



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Central’s Plans

Allen is back on his feets and together with Kanda and some science guy ( I forgot his name XD). They discuss about the Crow Member from their last fight. Who is this person called Madarao? Allen and Kanda don’t think that he’s a simple guard (do they know Crow? A cookie for the person who has an answer XDD), while Link knows that Madarao is a Member of Crow. He thinks about a much more important question: Why is Central using Crow Member to defeat Akuma? Is it simply the lack of Excorcists or is there a deeper purpose? I prefer the second because it seems as if strange things are going on at Central...



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Stay Calm, Hero Bak is on his way!

The Scene jumps to Komui who looks really stressed and gets a call from his old friend Bak-chan. He warns him that the American Branch Chief will appear and that he should not do anything until he arrives. Before Komui can say anything, the next new Person, Renee Epstein, arrives. Do you all remember she was mentioned some chapters ago? Take a look: http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/171/017/

She has done something with this fragment and I’m nearly 100% sure that her appearence in this place has something to do with the Egg. I will stop here but what are your thoughts?


Rating: B

Chapter was good and a lot has happened, although it was nothing spectacular. I hope Hoshino will answer some questions soon, speculating is really exhausting sometimes >D

Predictions:

Difficult to say, I have no plan what Renee Epstein wants from Komui, although it must be something with the fragment. I can see a big revealment coming and I’m sure it will be quite surprising ;D And I would not wonder if her purpose includs Allen somehow, we will see <____<

This was it for this week, I hope you liked my first D.Gray-man Review. I’m a bit on a rush today, so you can expect (or hope for XD) a better review next time.
See ya :D

ameya730
April 12, 2009, 10:16 PM
nice review i am glad someone started to review D GrayMan cause it deserves it simply because of its complex storyline and amazing artwork hope you continue in the future

the only thing that i like to point out is the smiling face in the mirrors beside tyki and roade is not the 14th noah but rather the noah of pleasure

essentially i think we are seeing tyki and allen awakening at the same time roade seems calm about this cause she has awakened completely and she knows how the process is

andrewsungchehau
April 12, 2009, 11:45 PM
Nice review.
The science guy is called Didi,1st appearance is at Asia Branch HQ,http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/85/16/, http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/85/17/, and introduced in chapter 170, http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/170/12/.
About Renee Epstein,her 1st appearance is at the meeting after the Noah Ark arc. Chapter 136. http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/136/Image00005/. She's also one of the branch head that involved in the HQ under siege arc.

hopeandlight
April 13, 2009, 01:47 AM
great review
thank you very much

Siberia
April 13, 2009, 04:46 AM
a nice post, Im waiting for ur next comment ~
but Im still wondering what the meaning of 184th's title?

And I think Allen can still notice something happened when he is 14th, coz in 182, Kanda called Allen "Mo Ya Shi" when he was 14th and Allen can still remember that

Asmoden
April 13, 2009, 07:17 AM
Nice work, we should make this an habitude:amuse

Why Skin and Tiky does have a white reflection and allen a black and much detailed one?
Is it because the 14th is the strongest or somewhat different?

andrewsungchehau
April 13, 2009, 11:40 AM
Nice work, we should make this an habitude:amuse

Why Skin and Tiky does have a white reflection and allen a black and much detailed one?
Is it because the 14th is the strongest or somewhat different?

Yeah,it would be great.xD
It's hard to compare who's the strongest Noah for the meantime as we still know them little only. But the 14th is somehow special cause there should have been 13 Noah originally only.

ying_su
April 13, 2009, 02:55 PM
Thanks for the review! XD

naruto-niichan
April 14, 2009, 04:24 AM
nice review i am glad someone started to review D GrayMan cause it deserves it simply because of its complex storyline and amazing artwork hope you continue in the future

the only thing that i like to point out is the smiling face in the mirrors beside tyki and roade is not the 14th noah but rather the noah of pleasure

essentially i think we are seeing tyki and allen awakening at the same time roade seems calm about this cause she has awakened completely and she knows how the process is

thanks and yeah, I totally agree. I will try to make a weekly release ;)
that's one nice theory but look here: http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/130/16/

the Earl said that Tyki is fully-fledged awakened.


Nice review.
The science guy is called Didi,1st appearance is at Asia Branch HQ,http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/85/16/, http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/85/17/, and introduced in chapter 170, http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/170/12/.
About Renee Epstein,her 1st appearance is at the meeting after the Noah Ark arc. Chapter 136. http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/136/Image00005/. She's also one of the branch head that involved in the HQ under siege arc.

Ahhh Didi was his name, thanks for the help ;D
about Renee: you're right, I did not remember that. Glad that you have such a good memory :tem


a nice post, Im waiting for ur next comment ~
but Im still wondering what the meaning of 184th's title?

And I think Allen can still notice something happened when he is 14th, coz in 182, Kanda called Allen "Mo Ya Shi" when he was 14th and Allen can still remember that

thanks ;) I'm also wondering about the title but I could not found anything about the meaning of neogyps :/
About the Moyashi: Maybe Allen heard it in his subconscious but it could be a hint =)


Nice work, we should make this an habitude

Why Skin and Tiky does have a white reflection and allen a black and much detailed one?
Is it because the 14th is the strongest or somewhat different?

yes, that's a good idea :amuse
Are you reffering to this? http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/167/07/
I think this shadow is the 14th and has nothing do to with the white face in the cullet. Or do you mean something other? :blink

I'm really happy about all the positive comments, thank you very much :) I will try my best to make a good review every week

riki
April 14, 2009, 09:11 AM
Thanks for the review! I also agreed with you that the 14th was using Allen's memories of Mana to gain control of his body.


thanks ;) I'm also wondering about the title but I could not found anything about the meaning of neogyps :/

cnet128's translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/11269) states that neogyps is an obsure, extinct bird of prey. I did a little research and found out that neogyps is under the hawk classification (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Fossil-Birds) (just CTRL F the word "neogyps") while in this blog (http://cameronmccormick.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-world-old-world-vultures.html#uds-search-results), it was defined as this: "Hertel 1995 notes that Neogyps, 'the "Errant eagle" was originally considered an eagle with vulturine habits'..."

Siberia
April 14, 2009, 09:14 AM
Thanks for the review! I also agreed with you that the 14th was using Allen's memories of Mana to gain control of his body.



cnet128's translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/11269) states that neogyps is an obsure, extinct bird of prey. I did a little research and found out that neogyps is under the hawk classification (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Fossil-Birds) (just CTRL F the word "neogyps") while in this blog (http://cameronmccormick.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-world-old-world-vultures.html#uds-search-results), it was defined as this: "Hertel 1995 notes that Neogyps, 'the "Errant eagle" was originally considered an eagle with vulturine habits'..."

so how does it relate to 184???? Sounds fun coz there are heaps of opinions on that title

riki
April 14, 2009, 09:21 AM
Maybe the title is describing the 14th? He seems fierce and tough like a bird of prey; likewise, he is using another person's body, which is almost like a vulture waiting for another animal to do the dirty work of getting food for it. This is just a guess though. :oh

andrewsungchehau
April 14, 2009, 09:34 AM
Maybe the title is describing the 14th? He seems fierce and tough like a bird of prey; likewise, he is using another person's body, which is almost like a vulture waiting for another animal to do the dirty work of getting food for it. This is just a guess though. :oh

:o. Sounds like it. Hoshino sensei really came out great names for D Gray Man chapters. :amuse That's 1 of the reason why I love this series so much.:D

Snowolf
April 14, 2009, 09:17 PM
Lovely review. you've inspired me. :D

As for the whole thing on Noah, I'm not sure if that was the Noah's voice. Maybe it was just one of those "darkness" voices (the ones that tell you that you can't do it, that you suck, and your life sucks, etc) reminiscent of the Lvl 4 Akuma. I don't think it was really the Noah's voice.

But Mana coming and almost appearing to forget Allen's name definitely means a transition to the awakening of the 14th is coming (hopefully, soon). And the environment of the dream looks somewhat similar to the place Tyki and Road were at, y/n?

I personally don't think the 14th "minds" Allen, it's more of a "i really don't care who's body I'm in, I'm going to kick the Earl's ass" kind of thing in my point of view. So far, as we have seen the 14 really seems like a double edged sword- he helps Allen play the music and save everyone's butt, but in this chapter, he looks like a real shady person. I think he has his own motivations to do what he wants to do, and we won't find those motivations (though I'm pretty sure they have to do with teh "other side of the war" thing) until Allen dives further into the 14th's existence and perhaps, his memories.

As for Tyki and Road showing up randomly in this chapter- if Tyki is still having problems with the sword attack, I'm pretty sure Allen's going to experience some severe pain with stabbing himself....and where were they? What was up with the broken glass/ pictures of smiling faces? And why did Road look all cut up? *scratches head*

On Komui/HQ: looks like treason, speculation, and secrecy is all swirling even further into this big mass of OMGWHUT? kind of thing. What's her connection with the Egg? What was she required to do with it? She doesn't seem like the friendly type, that's for sure. Almost like Leverrier. (We can't deal with TWO of them!) And what's up with the Cross betrayal event? Is she connected to it?

One last note- it seems that Hoshimura-san is delving into the Central HQ mystery/Crow Existence first, and then the 14th (though it looks like she's kinda doing both). So we just might have to wait. *cries*

Looks like Hoshimura-san has a LOT of questions to answer...in good time, of course. XD

I'm giving this an A, because we saw 14th!Allen (that's all, and he made me drool lulz) and Tyki and Road, but in terms of content, another B+/A- :D

rukiah
April 15, 2009, 12:27 AM
you review is amazing, I waiting next! thanks ^^

Zibi234
April 15, 2009, 03:15 AM
Well I would say that this voice was the innocence (since the bubles are white and when noah was talking they were dark...) besides the cross in the sky is white (light) while noah's crosses are dark(they even bleed with dark blood)

We see on first plan that innocence sword and Allen was looking at it then the voice started to talk... simply the innocence could warn him that he shouldnt do that and that he need to be saved...

if that voice was the 14th then why would he warn Allen :P other thing is that when the voice was warning allen suddenly mana appered and took Allen away like the 14th wanted to make sure Allen doesnt listen to the voice....

14th could hide under the image of Mana to fool Allen.... I mean Allen with his own will choosed to go with Mana (and not listen to the voice) so it was like he choosed the 14th and so the 14th woke up (and when Allen choosed to go with Mana the 14th eroded Allen more to the point where Mana was useing less and less of Allen name... )


And the Road & Tyki scene.... well the smile sesambles the Skin memory chapter..... maybe its a sign that Tyki is fully awakening as his noah and now he feels full memory of his noah (since in ark arc. Earl mentioned that fianly Tyki is awakening as full noah since he was suppresing it all the time)..... like skin was feeling the pain of the past memories.... now tyki can feel his noahs memories [pleasure noah]..... or simply they feel something according to 14th.... since Allen's scar was glowing...and the scene changed to tyki whose scar hurts too...

Anyway time will show with next chapters :P

naruto-niichan
April 15, 2009, 08:23 AM
Thanks for the review! I also agreed with you that the 14th was using Allen's memories of Mana to gain control of his body.



cnet128's translation (http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/11269) states that neogyps is an obsure, extinct bird of prey. I did a little research and found out that neogyps is under the hawk classification (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Fossil-Birds) (just CTRL F the word "neogyps") while in this blog (http://cameronmccormick.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-world-old-world-vultures.html#uds-search-results), it was defined as this: "Hertel 1995 notes that Neogyps, 'the "Errant eagle" was originally considered an eagle with vulturine habits'..."

ah that's it :darn thanks for your research! Hoshino's Chapter titles are really something, hopefully it won't end like Bleach (The Lust 1,2,3,4,5...) :notrust


Well I would say that this voice was the innocence (since the bubles are white and when noah was talking they were dark...) besides the cross in the sky is white (light) while noah's crosses are dark(they even bleed with dark blood)

We see on first plan that innocence sword and Allen was looking at it then the voice started to talk... simply the innocence could warn him that he shouldnt do that and that he need to be saved...

if that voice was the 14th then why would he warn Allen :P other thing is that when the voice was warning allen suddenly mana appered and took Allen away like the 14th wanted to make sure Allen doesnt listen to the voice....

14th could hide under the image of Mana to fool Allen.... I mean Allen with his own will choosed to go with Mana (and not listen to the voice) so it was like he choosed the 14th and so the 14th woke up (and when Allen choosed to go with Mana the 14th eroded Allen more to the point where Mana was useing less and less of Allen name... )


And the Road & Tyki scene.... well the smile sesambles the Skin memory chapter..... maybe its a sign that Tyki is fully awakening as his noah and now he feels full memory of his noah (since in ark arc. Earl mentioned that fianly Tyki is awakening as full noah since he was suppresing it all the time)..... like skin was feeling the pain of the past memories.... now tyki can feel his noahs memories [pleasure noah]..... or simply they feel something according to 14th.... since Allen's scar was glowing...and the scene changed to tyki whose scar hurts too...

Anyway time will show with next chapters :P

yeah, I think you're correct with this but why is the Innocence talking in such a unfriendly manner? that confused me a bit.....

about Tyki: Everything about the Noah's is somehow a mystery, it's time for hoshino to clear up a few things ;)

again thanks for all the comments :)

Koen
April 15, 2009, 11:55 AM
Nice review, good work. I hope to see more from you in the near future ^^ An advice: feel always free to add a poll ;)

Anyway, I liked how both Allen and Tiky are twisted. Allen Noah's side came out but he didn't know anything or didn't feel anything about it. Whereas Tiky still feels bad about the after effects given by the sword. I think the creature we saw in all he mirrors, was Tiky's noah side (comparable to Skin Boric's one) but somehow that part hurts Tiky at this moment.

fushunlyn
April 09, 2010, 07:13 AM
yeahI really think you did a good job reviewing the chapter since I don't really understand much of it.. teehee.