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Gumbertschovskinov
May 03, 2009, 01:01 PM
I just reread the One Piece from chapter 500 on and I found some crazy reference to the rinnegan in Naruto: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/526/13/

Look at the central-observation-snail. The snail obviously is connected to the countless monitoring snails in impel down just as Nagato is connected to his corpses in Naruto. And it has the Rinnegan.

What do you think? Is it just coincidence?

<3Matsumoto<3
May 03, 2009, 01:03 PM
i predict that the central-observation-snail will fight luffy soon

Gumbertschovskinov
May 03, 2009, 01:05 PM
i predict that the central-observation-snail will fight luffy soon

And I predict that its gonna be their new nakama ._.

Roarchu
May 03, 2009, 04:39 PM
I just reread the One Piece from chapter 500 on and I found some crazy reference to the rinnegan in Naruto: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/526/13/

Look at the central-observation-snail. The snail obviously is connected to the countless monitoring snails in impel down just as Nagato is connected to his corpses in Naruto. And it has the Rinnegan.

What do you think? Is it just coincidence?

Holy damn!

I never noticed that, but you're right!!!

hmm you should send a letter to Oda and ask

Organizized
May 03, 2009, 04:50 PM
It's very possible, but it being pure coincidence is just as possible. I mean, had it been the sharingan it would have been definite, but the rinnegan is quite a common pattern (I drew it on characters way back when I was a small kid because I thought it looked cool and I'm sure I wasn't the only one). Yet, I don't see a reason for it otherwise. It might just be a "focused, I see you"-kind of look but well.. I'll just leave it as a possibility. Nice find, still! :amuse

Lord Rayleigh
May 03, 2009, 05:13 PM
I find your reference, Gumbertschovskinov, totally valid.
I do not remember the man that noticed that, but there was another reference in the OP manga to naruto, from the Luffy's appearance (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/539/03/) to the Pain's real body (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/441/02/)

Tsukisama
May 03, 2009, 05:22 PM
I agree with Organizized. Kishimoto didn't really trademark concentric eye patterns. It makes me think of radar look at the snail's eyes, and it seems like a fitting eye design for the central snail. Whether he was inspired by the Kishimoto's Rinnegan is too generic to tell. That is just like saying any characters ever drawn in manga with large pupil-less eyes are references to the Byakugan. At least with the Sharingan, which has a distinct pattern, a clear reference can be seen.

I definitely don't think Luffy looking skeletal was any sort of reference to Pain. It just shows how much Luffy's metabolism worked from Emporio's hormone treatment. The fat belly is a comical way of showing Luffy eating to heal himself.

kkck
May 03, 2009, 10:30 PM
Well, if that is not a reference to pain, then this definitely is one. I already posted this a while ago but since the topic came up....

Luffy's long lost cousin!
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww226/kkck/luffypain.jpg

Gecko Moria
May 04, 2009, 12:00 AM
Well, if that is not a reference to pain, then this definitely is one. I already posted this a while ago but since the topic came up....

Luffy's long lost cousin!
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww226/kkck/luffypain.jpg

LOL. I wonder if Oda reads other manga (like Naruto, for example)? Perhaps he obtained the idea from Kishimoto but I think it's more likely that Oda was merely trying to find a way to distinguish between central snail and the normal snails, since the other standard snails do not have spiral eyes.

SamxFIN
May 04, 2009, 06:43 AM
Well, if that is not a reference to pain, then this definitely is one. I already posted this a while ago but since the topic came up....

Luffy's long lost cousin!
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww226/kkck/luffypain.jpg

Similarity is undeniable. Luffy only needs eyes of that snail and then he can fight naruto. It does make sense thinking that Luffy is Rikudou the creator of ninjutsu in naruto world. Final match in both series: Luffy vs. Naruto

RichardMNixon
May 04, 2009, 10:43 AM
Look at the central-observation-snail. The snail obviously is connected to the countless monitoring snails in impel down just as Nagato is connected to his corpses in Naruto.

I would say its connected to the countless monitoring snails in impel down just as every other den den mushi is somehow connected to every other one...

Rotten The Wizard
May 04, 2009, 01:36 PM
God no.

Coincidence

Lord Rayleigh
May 04, 2009, 03:45 PM
As we are in a topic to see the similitudes between Naruto and One Piece, I would like to add a new one. I do not think there is always a reference to Naruto but it is interesting to see that the both mangaka have shown things that can seem similar.

The fishman karate movement (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/541/11/) reminds me of the frog katas (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/) that do not have to touch to injure and that are using the natural energy (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/17/) and which looks like the " energy " drawn behind Jimbei.

bittman
May 04, 2009, 07:03 PM
Yes, it's so obvious there are links, geez:

Kishimoto obviously made Kisame after reading the Arlong Arc.
Oda came up with Haki after reading about the Nine Tails rage.
The 3-tails demon was based off one of the Sea Kings Oda drew, see if you can find it.
The train-attacking frog is homage to Jiraiya.
Gaara and Crocodile were from an art trade they did with each other.


Don't even get me started on how much influence Oda had on Batman: The Dark Knight.

kkck
May 04, 2009, 07:50 PM
Yes, it's so obvious there are links, geez:

Kishimoto obviously made Kisame after reading the Arlong Arc.
Oda came up with Haki after reading about the Nine Tails rage.
The 3-tails demon was based off one of the Sea Kings Oda drew, see if you can find it.
The train-attacking frog is homage to Jiraiya.
Gaara and Crocodile were from an art trade they did with each other.


Don't even get me started on how much influence Oda had on Batman: The Dark Knight.

Lol, please do tell......

Aikidoka
May 04, 2009, 08:05 PM
Maybe if Kishimoto was the one who made up these "ringed eyes", you would be right, but he isn't. The Bullseye (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Archery_Target_80cm.svg/600px-Archery_Target_80cm.svg.png) pattern's been around since forever, way before Kishi was even born.

He definitely isn't the first to use these. >_>

But Oda definitely does read other manga, he occasionally makes references to other manga in the WSJ thing. Examples can be seen here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/427/02/) and here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/445/08/).

References to Kochikame's Ryo and Eyeshield 21's Hiruma respectively.

Even if this was a reference to Naruto, Oda would have made it a lot more obvious. If he just put these circle-y eyes that aren't Kishi's creation, then it's ambiguous. I think in this case you're reading too much into it.

EDIT:
As we are in a topic to see the similitudes between Naruto and One Piece, I would like to add a new one. I do not think there is always a reference to Naruto but it is interesting to see that the both mangaka have shown things that can seem similar.

The fishman karate movement (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/541/11/) reminds me of the frog katas (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/) that do not have to touch to injure and that are using the natural energy (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/17/) and which looks like the " energy " drawn behind Jimbei.
Not true either, sorry. That superpower's been around since forever, neither of them are references to the other.

Imitorar
May 04, 2009, 11:34 PM
Yeah, I'm on the "not a chance" side here. I mean, of course there are similarities between the two series. Kishimoto is only about 2 months older than Oda, so they grew up surrounded by the same influences. I can point to parts of either series which were probably inspired by bits of classic 80's Jump manga. Sometimes even the same part. The Rinnegan may be a common motif in Japanese culture, one that both Oda and Kishimoto used. Or it may be from a shared childhood influence. Or it may be that both thought that concentric circles look cool. Neither manga-ka is the first to use them.

As to Luffy in the cave looking like Pain... Geez, how many ways do you think there are to draw a malnourished guy chained to a wall by his arms? Those chapters came out within a month of each other, and you assume that either was based off of the other? It'd be such a huge coincidence that it likely didn't occur. Both just needed to draw people chained to a wall. There's a not much room for variation in the subject matter.

While it's always nice to see parallels between manga, you always need to bear in mind the liklihood of the reference actually being intended. We all know that Dragon Ball was Oda's biggest influence, and a number of elements seem clearly borrowed from Toriyama. But that doesn't mean that EVERY TIME that something happens in One Piece it has a parallel in Dragon Ball, even if they seem similar. They often aren't, if you look closely enough. (Somebody once compared the relationship between Hancock and Luffy to the relationship between Goku and Chi Chi during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, as an example of one of the more forced speculated references.) Or Oda just did the same thing as Toriyama by chance. Storytellers have been using the same conventions for generations, and Oda is no exception. Sometimes a similarity is just a similarity. It needn't always be a reference, and that applies to One Piece's relationship with Naruto also.

And as sidenotes, the Kochikame reference was a special case to celebrate Kochikame's 30th year of serialization. The Eyeshield 21 reference was never confirmed, but I doubt it, just because it would be the first time in about 9.5 years that Oda had referenced such a contemporary manga, as far as I know. I mean, why start then?

predsfan
May 10, 2009, 04:07 AM
Oda's used that eye design 198 chapters ago: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/343/09/ which was well before that eye design (while it may have been introduced) became significant in Naruto, and I think it had only been shown once before here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/238/19-20/. So to answer the question, I highly doubt it was a reference to Naruto.

beastboy
May 10, 2009, 08:46 AM
the wolfs from lvl 5 also had circles i the eyes, is that an reference to the kuchyose of pain (joking)????

kkck
May 21, 2009, 07:18 PM
Yet another reference, although not a particularly easy one to catch!(Raizen, I know you will love this one :XD)
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww226/kkck/Untitled-2.jpg
What does that look like? It is sasukes freaking missing second brother lol, the guy has the uchiha fan and sharingan on his belly!

Imitorar
May 21, 2009, 08:35 PM
Which is only more indication that those are just common Japanese symbols. I can't see Oda using Kishimoto's symbols that blatantly. That's plagiarism territory.

kkck
May 21, 2009, 11:15 PM
^ I don't really believe oda is actually plagiarizing kishi's work or anything remotely similar, I only posted that because I thought it was fun.
PS party pooper

Lord Rayleigh
May 22, 2009, 02:51 PM
In the new opening, there is a moment where Luffy and Ace are back to back but at a certain distance with a dark background. It really reminds me similar moments with Sasuke and Itachi.

Nice catch, kkck.


Which is only more indication that those are just common Japanese symbols. I can't see Oda using Kishimoto's symbols that blatantly. That's plagiarism territory.
We all know these are similarities between the authors. This is not a reference. I hope everyone is not going to say each time that it is not a reference or it would be really boring.

The part I decided to put in red is for me the kind of useless things I have just talked. The black part is nevertheless useful.

kkck shows himself that they are just posts that show what the readers have pointed out.

^ I don't really believe oda is actually plagiarizing kishi's work or anything remotely similar, I only posted that because I thought it was fun.
PS party pooper
This is the same for me. It is why I used in some others post, the words " reminds me " but each time, people point out that they are not reference ... and other people thank this kind of answer ... It is time to grow up, boys.

PS : this post is not particularly directed at Imitorar.

BlackHair
May 22, 2009, 03:27 PM
Now without any intention of starting a bash-war: I think it is partly also ur fault, I mean u are posting in a "reference thread" against OP in the One Piece forum. Quite funny actually.

Nevertheless this thread is stupid and I never took it serious. Just read the posts. btw the one who gave the 1* rating was me.

Lord Rayleigh
May 22, 2009, 03:46 PM
Now without any intention of starting a bash-war: I think it is partly also ur fault, I mean u are posting in a "reference thread" against OP in the One Piece forum. Quite funny actually.
Indeed, it is why I had stated my intentions :

As we are in a topic to see the similitudes between Naruto and One Piece, I would like to add a new one. I do not think there is always a reference to Naruto but it is interesting to see that the both mangaka have shown things that can seem similar.
And see an answer to this post after it quoted this exact phrase with the example I talked about :


Not true either, sorry. That superpower's been around since forever, neither of them are references to the other.


Do you see then what I mean ?

Onomatopoeia
May 23, 2009, 04:01 PM
A tomoe is actually a pretty common symbol in Japan or anywhere. I know that the US Department of Transportation has a Tomoe symbol on it(no joke (http://www.plaquesandpatches.com/graphics/seals/government_seals/dot_large.jpg)). Does that mean that Naruto is plagiarizing off of the US department of transportation, probably not.

You know funny thing Enel's drums have Tomoes on them...

deffkryz
May 23, 2009, 07:49 PM
LOL. I wonder if Oda reads other manga (like Naruto, for example)? Perhaps he obtained the idea from Kishimoto but I think it's more likely that Oda was merely trying to find a way to distinguish between central snail and the normal snails, since the other standard snails do not have spiral eyes.

If Bakuman is true in this point, he doesn't need to read the other manga - he knows the ideas already a couple of weeks before the chapter's in the magazine...


Which is only more indication that those are just common Japanese symbols.

Aren't they? That Sharingan "dots" and that sign on Sentoumaru's clothing are nothing but "tomoe" - ancient Japanese symbols from before the 19th century and still part of the common culture. (I remember seeing those symbols on Japanese drums, eg.)

Imitorar
May 24, 2009, 10:50 AM
Aren't they? That Sharingan "dots" and that sign on Sentoumaru's clothing are nothing but "tomoe" - ancient Japanese symbols from before the 19th century and still part of the common culture. (I remember seeing those symbols on Japanese drums, eg.)
That's exactly my point. Nobody's "referencing" anyone else with symbols like that, they're just cultural things that both manga-ka are making use of. References would be something like how the dragon fountainheads in the Alabasta royal family's bath house look like Shenlong, or Kishimoto drawing Chaotzu's face as a mask. Or Oda writing "Fist of the North Star" on a spoon in Baratie (well, he wrote it in Japanese, so it was "Hokuto no Ken", but whatever). THAT is a reference, but symbols, unless they are symbols actually created by another manga-ka, aren't references. The problem is that people don't know that those symbols are just tomoe, and think that Kishimoto created them, so they assume that it's a matter of "referencing". That's the problem with foreigners reading Japanese stories, we don't get a lot of the cultural references. There's no help for it but education.

beastboy
May 26, 2009, 07:14 PM
I think that the ship of Gol D roger called Oro Jackson as something similar with orochimaru that locks a lot like michaeljackson.

I think this is a clear reference, and a quite funny one.

Lord Rayleigh
May 27, 2009, 03:25 PM
I think that the ship of Gol D roger called Oro Jackson as something similar with orochimaru that locks a lot like michaeljackson.

I think this is a clear reference, and a quite funny one.
Lol. Here, I would not even see that as a similarity. Do not forget that oro is the name for gold in italian. And there was a british explorer named Frederick George Jackson (1860-1938). And what about " Jack and the Bean-Stalk " ? I remember that Gol D. Roger must have seen the Skypiea Giant Bean before having the Oro Jackson (as the Skypiea Island we know is before the Water 7 Island in the first part of Grand Line ; and as Roger went there too).

beastboy
May 27, 2009, 07:02 PM
Ok, oro is similar in many languages (in portuguese is ouro just a litle u) but I think that Oda really did that cause of orochimaru.
And knowing that Oda reads Naruto, is strange that he didn't think in that, maybe he saw that oro and the explorer, but he must have putted that name just cause of the oro and michael jackson thing, and orojackson in the meaning you are putting him is more adequate for the flying ship of enel, cause roger's ship is made of wood.


(I read that in one piece wikia but I think that the orochimaru thing is more probable, I think that if some one asked Oda if that was the explenation he would do what he did with the lucci's name explanation)

Onomatopoeia
May 27, 2009, 07:23 PM
Ok, oro is similar in many languages (in portuguese is ouro just a litle u) but I think that Oda really did that cause of orochimaru.

And knowing that Oda reads Naruto, is strange that he didn't think in that, maybe he saw that oro and the explorer, but he must have putted that name just cause of the oro and michael jackson thing, and orojackson in the meaning you are putting him is more adequate for theĀ  flying ship of enel, cause roger's ship is made of wood.

(I read that in one piece wikia but I think that the orochimaru thing is more probable, I think that if some one asked Oda if that was the explenation he would do what he did with the lucci's name explanation)

Remember that the pirate kings name was Gol D. Roger which makes Oro or Gold a very obvious reference to the Pirate King.

bittman
May 27, 2009, 07:36 PM
*facepalm*

Some people just aren't getting the joke...

And don't say "Oh I do, I'm just pointing out-"

beastboy
May 27, 2009, 07:58 PM
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj51/crys77/polar-bear-face-palm_thumbnail1.jpg

Well wheen words aren't enough you know.
Oda is funny when pcking names and do not research other languages, and he knows crap of itallian, he didn't knew that lucci was light, and that is obvious.
[hr]
name of luffy's ship: macaquitocolombo (litlemonkey + name of the inventor of america)

Onomatopoeia
May 27, 2009, 08:14 PM
*facepalm*

Some people just aren't getting the joke...

And don't say "Oh I do, I'm just pointing out-"
I don't get the joke. Honestly.

Imitorar
May 27, 2009, 10:56 PM
Oda is funny when pcking names and do not research other languages, and he knows crap of itallian, he didn't knew that lucci was light, and that is obvious.
It may be obvious when your native language (English, for example, though yours seems to be Portugese. But you were reading in English) is heavily derived from Latin, as Italian is, but Japanese is from a completely different language family. It's quite obvious that in the case of the Oro Jackson, Oda was going for a reference to Roger's nickname of "Gold", so he researched the word for gold in Italian. But by Lucci, it was basically just a lucky accident, he just named the character, and it turned out to be the word for "light" in Italian.

Daled@tamu.edu
May 28, 2009, 12:43 AM
It may be obvious when your native language (English, for example, though yours seems to be Portugese. But you were reading in English) is heavily derived from Latin, as Italian is, but Japanese is from a completely different language family. It's quite obvious that in the case of the Oro Jackson, Oda was going for a reference to Roger's nickname of "Gold", so he researched the word for gold in Italian. But by Lucci, it was basically just a lucky accident, he just named the character, and it turned out to be the word for "light" in Italian.
Unless you have some evidence where he says it is an accident, I really doubt it.

Irony is a major trick for good authors, and not much is more ironic than the guy with the darkest justice being named "light."

beastboy
May 28, 2009, 06:34 AM
search through the SBS he says he doesn't know of hit, anyway If I ever ask something in a SBS it will be this..

Imitorar
May 28, 2009, 09:56 AM
Unless you have some evidence where he says it is an accident, I really doubt it.
Evidence (http://arlongpark.net/Manga/SBS/42). That should suffice.

Daled@tamu.edu
May 29, 2009, 01:03 AM
Evidence (http://arlongpark.net/Manga/SBS/42). That should suffice.

Yes indeed. Thanks, hadn't seen that before

beastboy
June 06, 2009, 07:44 AM
Well when you're learning one language light is one of the firsts words you'll know.
So if Oda was really learning something of italian he would know how do you spell light...

Razh
June 07, 2009, 11:29 AM
Is it possible that this discussion will end if I say that lucci isn't light in english?

As far as I know, luce is light. Lucci is a common name and surname.

beastboy
June 07, 2009, 12:58 PM
lucci means pike hahaha......
you're right luce is light..
but I guess you wanted to say italian...

Lord Rayleigh
June 07, 2009, 04:30 PM
Is it possible that this discussion will end if I say that lucci isn't light in english?

As far as I know, luce is light. Lucci is a common name and surname.

Do not forget that everyone that are posting similarities does not think there is a reference. For me, there are no references to Naruto in One Piece ; and to One Piece in Naruto neither.
But I just find interesting to see the similarities that are not references because it shows that the mangakas must have some ideas based on the same stories: the nippon mythology, legends etc ...
Finally, that topic can be useful for the Imitorar's topic about the Folkloric Inspirations for One Piece Characters (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49624) because it makes us wonder if there are really inspirations based on the same folkloric stories in the both mangaka. It can be the point of departure of researchs for that topic.

Razh
June 07, 2009, 07:46 PM
Actually, I just meant the discussion about Lucci. It's a drag.

Lord Rayleigh
June 08, 2009, 01:18 PM
Actually, I just meant the discussion about Lucci. It's a drag.
Ok. I thought it was an example to show how stupid this thread was. :amuse

scarletcrimson
June 12, 2009, 07:53 AM
the den den mushi has the rinnegan lmao