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Koen
May 04, 2009, 03:30 AM
If you haven't seen the goodies yet, you can check them out in the Spoiler Pics and Summaries (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48750)thread. This is where you can discuss all about them. But remember no spamming.

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d3death
May 12, 2009, 10:59 AM
Shichibukai Blackbeard arrives at Impel Down and sucks the gaolers one after another into darkness.

Just when i thought i could predict next chapter ..

looks great

Squazee
May 12, 2009, 11:03 AM
O.o Serious fight is going on there. And Blackbeard's appearance... Interesting.

Akainu
May 12, 2009, 11:04 AM
Blackbeard in ID? Level 2 under control? Shiryuu set free and going wild? and a female gaoler already going down?
that sounds great :amuse

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:07 AM
Sounds like a load of crap. At least the Blackbeard coming and sucking gaolers. Shouldn't he be at Marineford? That is his job after all.

But if it's confirmed...

goldb
May 12, 2009, 11:09 AM
It's true it all this sounds a bit :notrust, so i'll wait til the pics are out 2moro or later 2nite and see what's what.

ofir271
May 12, 2009, 11:10 AM
Sounds like a load of crap. At least the Blackbeard coming and sucking gaolers. Shouldn't he be at Marineford? That is his job after all.

But if it's confirmed...
exactly...WHAT?

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:11 AM
exactly...WHAT?

But if it's confirmed... than Blackbeard probably isn't in Marinefored but in ID. Stop spamming.

OdaForPresident
May 12, 2009, 11:13 AM
I don't believe it.... no really I don't believe it! But confirmed.....damn. Have to wait for the pictures I guess. Why the hell would blackbeard be at ID?

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:16 AM
Well, it doesn't actually say that translation is confirmed.

knivez
May 12, 2009, 11:17 AM
if this is true the next chapter will be epic

d3death
May 12, 2009, 11:18 AM
His aim is unknown.

the spoiler leaves lots to be predicted..


the spoiler itself isn't confirmed either, it's just a seemingly reliable source...

yea its from nja.. but as he provided correct spoiler 2 weeks back.. so this might be correct.. + he provides correct naruto spoiler on regular basis.. other than that its not confirmed

well dofla says they are so they are :D

Akainu
May 12, 2009, 11:19 AM
the spoiler itself isn't confirmed either, it's just a seemingly reliable source...

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:23 AM
Well, I can't imagine Blackbeard coming there suddenly. He would have to have a permission from Marines to get there. Opening the gates and so on.
I don't think he stole a marine battleship with sea stone and traveled to ID at a time like this. Plus, he's supposed to be guarding on the execution and Ace is on his way.
I guess it's possible he has some plan. Maybe he wants to recruit someone from ID and has already left WG. Who knows.
Also, we've never seen him suck in anything straight. He had to cover the ground with darkness first.

The rest of the stuff seems believable enough.

gold349
May 12, 2009, 11:23 AM
black beard could have easily been sent by WG to ID...they are aware of who is causing them this headache and the prisoners they are not your ordinary pirates that could be put down/stopped...the WG cannot just stand around and sending the newest shishubukai although he has already proved his strength now its probably a mission for loyalty though him killing gaolers isn't looking to good for him IMO.

Dofla
May 12, 2009, 11:26 AM
the spoiler itself isn't confirmed either, it's just a seemingly reliable source...

Nevertheless, they are.

Moroboshi
May 12, 2009, 11:27 AM
It's a very strange spoiler. How BB enter Impel Down? BB is a Shichibukai, not a marine member. For Hancock Momoga obtained a special permission, now BB is free to enter ID as his will? And why he "sucks the gaolers one after another into darkness". It doesn't make any sense!!!!! MMhhhhh........:notrust

Finale
May 12, 2009, 11:32 AM
Why would the WG let a Shichibukai slip away from the biggest battle it has faced in years? It would have made more sense had BB come there to help escort Ace but that doesn't seem to be the case. I could see the reasoning behind BB wanting to go to ID. To gather a stronger crew since he also wants to be pirate king.

BlackHair
May 12, 2009, 11:33 AM
I don't believe it until I saw scans. Even if its from a reliable source.

BB being there makes no sense as for reasons already said. It's not time yet for Luffy and BB to meet. I also can't come up for a reason for his appearance in ID.

Isto
May 12, 2009, 11:33 AM
hard to believe that blackbeard thing

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:34 AM
black beard could have easily been sent by WG to ID...they are aware of who is causing them this headache and the prisoners they are not your ordinary pirates that could be put down/stopped...the WG cannot just stand around and sending the newest shishubukai although he has already proved his strength now its probably a mission for loyalty though him killing gaolers isn't looking to good for him IMO.

No. They wouldn't send a pirate they can't really trust. If they were to send on of Shichibukai it would be Kuma.
And WG probably isn't aware of the full extent of a breaktrough. Even if they are, they would have to be able to see the future in order to send Blackbeard in advance, because it would take him a while to get there.

It's possible that the only reason why Blackbeard became a Shichibukai is to be able to recruit someone from ID. Maybe even Shiryuu. But even if it weren't him, there are a lot of potential candidates on the bottom levels.
If he needs something from ID, it could only be some person.

Or maybe he wants to become a woman.:p

Akainu
May 12, 2009, 11:35 AM
Nevertheless, they are.
How do you confirm spoilers without pictures (or the word of the usual spoiler providers)?

Anyway I'm just saying we should take it with a grain of salt, though such a move from Oda wouldn't surprise me as in I'm actually very surprised as that would be totally unpredictable.

attafi
May 12, 2009, 11:42 AM
i just remember what inuzuma said before
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/19/

luffy ask who are the other shichibukai inuzuma said including the former one.
so maybe its BB.

d3death
May 12, 2009, 11:45 AM
i just remember what inuzuma said before
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/19/

luffy ask who are the other shichibukai inuzuma said including the former one.
so maybe its BB.

inuzuma ment Jenbei and Croc...

Sorry my bad.. Razh answered correctly below :-)

Moroboshi
May 12, 2009, 11:47 AM
i just remember what inuzuma said before
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/19/

luffy ask who are the other shichibukai inuzuma said including the former one.
so maybe its BB.

Luffy doesn't know that jimbei is a shichibukai, so that's why he asked who the other schichibukai is.

Razh
May 12, 2009, 11:48 AM
i just remember what inuzuma said before
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/19/

luffy ask who are the other shichibukai inuzuma said including the former one.
so maybe its BB.

Yeah, he's hiding in Inazuma's coat.

ihateyou1
May 12, 2009, 12:14 PM
damn blackbeard has made his appearance? oh well if the spoiler is true then it means he would get a pretty good beating from the three (luffy, croc and jembei) and eventually hurry back to the execution site to report.
let's just wait for the pictures.

cheaptrick
May 12, 2009, 12:17 PM
imo it's totally fake, not even a line of that summary looks believable...and it doesn't say anywhere that the jailer may be sadichan...

edit: this nja guy is supposed to be the usual naruto spoilers's providerbut are we sure it'sreally him and not someone else using his name at 2ch?

Rotten The Wizard
May 12, 2009, 12:27 PM
lol wtf?!

This isnt Oda's style. Oda's work is epic, this is just farfetched although there's a fine line in between epicness and madness

Sachsenhesse
May 12, 2009, 12:35 PM
madness?

THIS
IS
ODA!

sry was a must be...

lets see if the blackbeardthing is really true

Dofla
May 12, 2009, 12:42 PM
How do you confirm spoilers without pictures (or the word of the usual spoiler providers)?


The same way i do since 2 years and half now.

EDIT:

If it's not the real one, i will ban myself for one week :p

k-dom
May 12, 2009, 12:51 PM
well I expected a chapter on the marine side to balance last one. But I did not imagine Blackbeard.
Well like everyone I expect more in case of a fake spoiler. The fact is, that it's so illogical that it must be true. I doubt someone but Oda could have make up something like that.

We already had Kuma spreading the Mugiwara worldwide, these Shichi are really full of surprises

fastfonz
May 12, 2009, 12:53 PM
if thsi is true then my hunch is blackbeard is extremely cunning. And everyone is really underestimating him. He probably wants both, WB and the WG to fall from this fight.

Rotten The Wizard
May 12, 2009, 12:55 PM
The same way i do since 2 years and half now.

EDIT:

If it's not the real one, i will ban myself for one week :p
I'll hold you to that


well I expected a chapter on the marine side to balance last one. But I did not imagine Blackbeard.
Well like everyone I expect more in case of a fake spoiler. The fact is, that it's so illogical that it must be true. I doubt someone but Oda could have make up something like that.

We already had Kuma spreading the Mugiwara worldwide, these Shichi are really full of surprises

The thing is BB is in Mariejoa, There's no way in hell he could sneak away with NOBODY noticing. The admirals are smart and they expect deception and rebellion from the Schichibukai, I doubt they'd let BB get as far as I.D. And its hard to imagine he made it that far on his raft LOL

beastboy
May 12, 2009, 01:05 PM
chapters usually have about 100 or more lines, this spoiler is a 4 lines one, so it most be explained in the chap wh did they send BB, maybe WG is thinking in destroy ID with the prisioners, and BB is sucking the gaolers into a safe place (we don't know if he can do this but it would be eppic (ps my previsions aren't the most correct ones but I guess the minato in naruto's head thing 20 chapters before)
[hr]
edit:*guessed

BlackHair
May 12, 2009, 01:06 PM
I really hope it's not true. If he should arrive then I get the feeling that we won't see Shiyru in action, same with Magallan.

Lee-tyme7
May 12, 2009, 01:16 PM
It's fake! What's Black Beard doing @ Impel Down?! He's sitting at meeting with other shichibukai in Marinford already. That scene was what?...1 1/2 days in OP time. He's gotta be super quick to get to ID that fast.
[hr]
Plus I don't think anyone else knew about the ID incident beside Shengoku and Garp. The shichibukai are there to gaurd Ace once he arive to marinford so they can't be off on their own.

Lord Rayleigh
May 12, 2009, 01:18 PM
Very interesting. What is going to happen in ID ? What is BB's aim : does he want to meet again Luffy ? Does he want to fight the Crazy Team ? Does he has some business to do for himself ?
Did he come on an own decision or a WG's one ?

But if BB arrives, I think the Crazy Team will not be able to go to MHQ. Ace will be taken to MHQ and they will not be able to save him.
If BB is in ID, it is possible that he will not fight with the Shichibukais/Marines against WB and will miss the " century " clash.
So, the theory about BB killing WB will not be valid anymore.

I think that this is definitely a way to make Luffy avoid the MHQ battle.
It is nevertheless always possible that the Crazy Team arrives there after the battle.

I do not know anymore what to think about this revelation.

Sharingan warrior
May 12, 2009, 01:25 PM
I dont know but if it is true then maybe blackbeard is their to recruit shiryuu for his crue i know it sounds far fetched but its just something that came to my head,its probably unlikely tho guess we will have to wait and see.

thunderhead6482
May 12, 2009, 01:26 PM
Yay!!! According to that new spoiler Whitebeard is finally in action this is the best!:D

happy GIN smily
May 12, 2009, 01:30 PM
yeah...
finally some real action

Superman
May 12, 2009, 01:30 PM
i dont care why blackbeard is there neither how he came there its just souds like shit!!
Nobody`s going to survive if BB is there. Either Dragon is commig or the alliance defeat him alone by running in an totally other floor:D:D:D

Lord Rayleigh
May 12, 2009, 01:31 PM
According to the new spoiler, BB is always with the Shichibukai and Hancock has just met up with them. So, BB would not be in ID. Ace is on the marine warship that arrives on the Justice Gates and WB makes his appearance, willing to retaliate to the WG/Marines.

cheaptrick
May 12, 2009, 01:36 PM
lol this time the spoiler looks believable but the source is suspicious...

Akainu
May 12, 2009, 01:38 PM
Since Dofla wouldn't put such a high risk of banning himself I'll wait for his judgement for this new spoiler too *waiting*

Although... this one would be much more what was expected at least for me.

beastboy
May 12, 2009, 01:42 PM
someone deleted the new spoiler..
Was it a fake??

monkey D luffy
May 12, 2009, 02:08 PM
hmm seems its confirmed, but i wont say this chapter gonna suck due to the sole fact we still dont know what happened in this chapter so we cant judge it yet i am still waiting for script and pics

deffkryz
May 12, 2009, 02:34 PM
If it's true: Wow, I guess nobody saw that coming. And actually I thought that Senghok might have given the OK for him to leave Marineford and go to ID as backup/escort... Ace lost to him, so if BB is accompanying the fleet, that prisoner most likely can't escape. On the other hand, BB might still want to fight Luffy who escaped on Jaya... On the other other hand... Didn't Shanks say something about BB wanting to spread chaos on that little yonkou chat? Maybe he already wiped out most of the Marine HQ and the Shichibukai since he was in the position to do that.

But maybe it's a fake... BB has never sucked in living things on Banaro Island.

monkey D luffy
May 12, 2009, 02:44 PM
i just remembered something didnt jinbei said that WB is likely too attack the escort fleet? then sending BB was crucial since he knows WB more then anyone else on the marines and he most likely asked to be sent there

thunderhead6482
May 12, 2009, 03:04 PM
Hey what happened to that other new spoiler?

thunderwonder
May 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
maybe mr2 is acting as Blackbeard... jk.

People kept telling that kuma is gonna come. Just when u think u know what oda is gonna do...

k-dom
May 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
@beastboy and @thunderhead6482
They just add the italian translation to the 2d post
@deffkryz
according to the spoiler. Blackbeard is not on marine side since he is attacking the goaler. Or maybe he don't care and attacks friends and foes like shiryuu.

d3death
May 12, 2009, 03:13 PM
If it's true: Wow, I guess nobody saw that coming. And actually I thought that Senghok might have given the OK for him to leave Marineford and go to ID as backup/escort... Ace lost to him, so if BB is accompanying the fleet, that prisoner most likely can't escape. On the other hand, BB might still want to fight Luffy who escaped on Jaya... On the other other hand... Didn't Shanks say something about BB wanting to spread chaos on that little yonkou chat? Maybe he already wiped out most of the Marine HQ and the Shichibukai since he was in the position to do that.

But maybe it's a fake... BB has never sucked in living things on Banaro Island.

well if dofla is betting a ban then it HAS to be true.. and about sucking in living things.. i remember his crew saying on banaro island to get away otherwise they would be sucked in too.. (where they pick up stronger(horse) and get away)

@k-dom
there was a third reply too.

@beastboy and @thunderhead6482
it was a fake spoiler.

Razh
May 12, 2009, 03:19 PM
according to the spoiler. Blackbeard is not on marine side since he is attacking the goaler. Or maybe he don't care and attacks friends and foes like shiryuu.

I've been thinking about it. WG probably wouldn't send the newest Shichibukai to sort things out at ID. If any, they would send Kuma. Kuma is the only one who is able to get there in time since the outbreak just started. It's not even sure whether anyone outside ID knows about it.

If Blackbeard is there, it probably means that he's on his own again. There's no way that WG would let any of Shichibukai through the gate when ther are supposed to be at Marineford and guard Ace.
The only way he could have gotten there is if he stole a marine ship and sailed through calm belt. Of course there may be other unknown circumstances.
So, he is either there to kill someone, or recruit someone.
Hell, maybe he only wanted to become a Shichibukai so he could get to ID.

But that's pretty much a guess.

And I'll believe Blackbeard is actually there when I see a convincing picture.
[hr]

well if dofla is betting a ban then it HAS to be true.. and about sucking in living things.. i remember his crew saying on banaro island to get away otherwise they would be sucked in too.. (where they pick up stronger(horse) and get away)


Well, sometimes pride comes before the fall. He did say it would only be for a week. If he's that sure why did he only say one week?

As for black hole, anything standing on the darkness gets sucked in. And we've seen how long that takes. Why would Blackbeard bother sucking them in? It's not like he needs that.

Pad
May 12, 2009, 03:26 PM
This is my first post. I have been reading the OP spoilers for a while but never registered, but this week spoilers are so weird that I had to comment.

The only reason I see BB going to ID is to stop Luffy from chasing Ace. In the meantime he will reveal that he was the one who captured Ace and won't let him pass. Put that together with a possibility of Ace's death and you got the reason for BB to be the ultimate enemy.

But still, as of now, BB appering in ID doesn't make any sense to me.

monkey D luffy
May 12, 2009, 03:34 PM
lol i can imagine luffy's meeting with BB:
luffy: youre that ossan from jaya!
BB: you are that bounty kid! i will get you and become a shichi! oh wait im already a shichi, carry on...

Yans86
May 12, 2009, 03:35 PM
If we need to give a sense to BB at Impel Down,,,,,,,,,,,he get there to team up with all the Silver Medalist he can ashu auhasu huas

thunderhead6482
May 12, 2009, 03:37 PM
@beastboy and @thunderhead6482
They just add the italian translation to the 2d post
@deffkryz
according to the spoiler. Blackbeard is not on marine side since he is attacking the goaler. Or maybe he don't care and attacks friends and foes like shiryuu.

No there was another japanese spoiler that said that Whitebeard was comin to Impel Down!
EDIT: Oh nevermind, that other guy already answered. I was lookin forward to whitebeard dammit! lol

Razh
May 12, 2009, 03:41 PM
Well, welcome to Mangahelpers.



The only reason I see BB going to ID is to stop Luffy from chasing Ace. In the meantime he will reveal that he was the one who captured Ace and won't let him pass. Put that together with a possibility of Ace's death and you got the reason for BB to be the ultimate enemy.


I don't see why Blackbeard would give a shit for Luffy. He's not important to his plans. And they aren't each other's arch nemesis, at least not yet. So, the way I see it, Blackbeard risking his position only to beat up Luffy wouldn't make much sense.
Also, the details about what had happened in ID is probably held a secret from anyone but the highest WG and Marine officials.

k-dom
May 12, 2009, 03:56 PM
To speak about something else than Blackbeard. Magellan cleaning 2d floor means we should have an hilarious Buggy disapointing face in that chapter

Akainu
May 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
Shouldn't Buggy and Gal Dino already hide somewhere on level 1 by the time Magellan cleans level 2? :o

Pad
May 12, 2009, 04:00 PM
Well, welcome to Mangahelpers.



I don't see why Blackbeard would give a shit for Luffy. He's not important to his plans. And they aren't each other's arch nemesis, at least not yet. So, the way I see it, Blackbeard risking his position only to beat up Luffy wouldn't make much sense.
Also, the details about what had happened in ID is probably held a secret from anyone but the highest WG and Marine officials.

Thanks!

I don't think he does either. For that we would need to know what his intentions at ID are, and under whom command he is going there, if it happens to be the case. I think of this as an possiblem outcome for another fated encounter.

But you got a point on the information secrecy, I don't think Marine would ever let this spread, so mostly BB would be there on his own.

d3death
May 12, 2009, 04:06 PM
Shouldn't Buggy and Gal Dino already hide somewhere on level 1 by the time Magellan cleans level 2? :o

that would be harsh on the poor guys.. Bleakbeard is supposed to be rampaging by sucking in everything there. (assuming he entered from the main entrance and didn't took any lift)

RichardMNixon
May 12, 2009, 04:13 PM
As for black hole, anything standing on the darkness gets sucked in. And we've seen how long that takes. Why would Blackbeard bother sucking them in? It's not like he needs that.

As far as I could tell it seemed to be a lot faster in the manga. I can't think of a conceivable reason for him to be there either though.

I'm really looking forward to seeing some VAs fight.

street_san
May 12, 2009, 04:20 PM
I might be crazy but....Luffy and his gang must evade ID. With Shiryuu, Magellan and Blackbeard, it will be really difficult. But we all said that Shiryuu and Magellan will be defeated by maybe Croc, Jimbei, Luffy, Invankov, etc. With BB taking part of the movie....this might means his defeat.

I just thought of something. Maybe Crocodile would be the one to fight BB....knowing that he is the one who took his position as a Shishibukai

...anyway, I might be dreaming to so.. :P

Franckie
May 12, 2009, 04:22 PM
Spoiler makes no sense. I see no reason why the WG would tell BB to go to Impel Down when Ace's execution is only a couple of hours away. The WG is going to need every last bit of manpower they can muster to defeat WB, and sending BB - a legendary - to Impel Down makes no sense since they'd be risking splitting their manpower immensely. Also, BB wants to defeat WB, and he can't defeat WB without the assistance of the MHQ + Shichibukai. Him showing up by himself for some unknown reason does nothing but raise eyebrows.

gold349
May 12, 2009, 04:25 PM
No. They wouldn't send a pirate they can't really trust. If they were to send on of Shichibukai it would be Kuma.
And WG probably isn't aware of the full extent of a breaktrough. Even if they are, they would have to be able to see the future in order to send Blackbeard in advance, because it would take him a while to get there.

It's possible that the only reason why Blackbeard became a Shichibukai is to be able to recruit someone from ID. Maybe even Shiryuu. But even if it weren't him, there are a lot of potential candidates on the bottom levels.
If he needs something from ID, it could only be some person.

Or maybe he wants to become a woman.:p

you could be right, the spoiler looking fake now to me...if WG wanted to send help then instead of sending BB all he way from headquarters they could have just asked Hancock to turn around and sort out the mess at WG...they don't yet know she was the one who took Luffy there.

Razh
May 12, 2009, 04:34 PM
You know, it occurred to me that Blackbeard didn't necessarily have to suck in all the gaolers. He could have used just Kurouzu to make them fly towards him. If I sas the pic of Blackbeard using Kurouzu, I would have probably described it as Blackbeard sucking gaolers in.

But I'm still waiting for a pic.

It would be cool if Blackbeard's only motive to become a Shichibukai was to get someone in ID. I guess it's possible that he doesn't want anything to do with the upcoming battle, but use the chaos to his own advantage.

Franckie
May 12, 2009, 04:38 PM
You know, it occurred to me that Blackbeard didn't necessarily have to suck in all the gaolers. He could have used just Kurouzu to make them fly towards him. If I sas the pic of Blackbeard using Kurouzu, I would have probably described it as Blackbeard sucking gaolers in.

But I'm still waiting for a pic.

It would be cool if Blackbeard's only motive to become a Shichibukai was to get someone in ID. I guess it's possible that he doesn't want anything to do with the upcoming battle, but use the chaos to his own advantage.

It'd be weird for BB to have nothing to do with the upcoming battle. He wants a chance to fight WB where he isn't toally outgunned; a MHQ+7BK vs WB war gives him that chance and it's out of character for BB to be sitting out on it.

◆ T.D.A ◆
May 12, 2009, 04:41 PM
BB went on his own accord. It is possible he is looking for someone in ID, he's certainly an interesting character.

Onomatopoeia
May 12, 2009, 05:03 PM
I'm a bit iffy about the spoilers for this hand. On one hand both heads of ID are starting to move out which is great. And Shiryuu is acting exactly how I expected him to also. Th breakout league owned Sadi-chan.

And then we have Blackbeard. I don't have a problem with BB himself, in fact I think its awesome how he's owning Gaolers. What I have a problem is the fact that he's being awesome HERE. Why isn't he being awesome with the rest of the Shichibuki? Why in the world is he here? It shouldn't be about the breakout, because the WG only learned about Luffy recently and they already sent backup for that.

The breakout itself might not even be known by the WG themselves, plus BB only got here very recently he must have been traveling a bit so he had to have started out a while ago.

All in all I can only summarize that he has some hidden agenda. SOmething that he might even be willing to give up his chance at getting WB(he could attack at any time I'd think he'd want to be ready for that, not fighting at ID) and give up his SH status(assuming that the WB didn't tell him to go stop the rebellion which I don't they would, he's to much of a wild card).

And Shiryuu when did he get out? I suppose Magellan let him out, I hope they explain that more.

GeckoMoria
May 12, 2009, 05:07 PM
well even though BB being there doesn't make much sense we have to remember that BB said he had a plan to become the pirate king. His plan was to first become a shichibukai, however he intended to capture luffy not Ace. So honestly i think this war really has got nothing to do with BB's plans. The whole "becoming a shichibukai" part did. Think about it.... what if he caught luffy? then there would be no war and he would be a shichibukai...so? BB being in ID probably has nothing to do with the jailbreak or the war.. he just wants something he can easily gain access too by being a shichibukai. His plans never included a war with WB. How could he have known the WG would do that anyway? BB is after something that still remains hidden in ID... perhaps lvl 7? hidden weapons lvl lol point is that killing WB is probably in BB's plans but he never meant for it like this. i believe in dofla and will side with the spoilers being true. :)

Badman
May 12, 2009, 05:10 PM
This is my 1st post so welcome me pple.
Anyways i think BB coming to impel down makes sense. He wants to take whitebeard's position and to do dat he needs insanely strong crew members. Remember those 3 legends in lvl 6 dat iva mentioned here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/538/12/? Well i don't think Oda would mention these guys without a reason. BB releases them and in exchange for their freedom, they join his crew. BB might have planned going to ID from the very beginning i.e using his status as schichibukai to get there, recruit these legends, and thus moving closer to his goal of dethroning WB and becoming pirate king.

Also, oda wudn't just let croc out of prison just 2 fight in the war against whitebeard and end it there. If BB quits being a schichibukai, the government might wanna reinstate crocodile's status as a SB probably cos he helped them in the war against WB and cos there is no suitable replacement available (remember how long it took 4 dem 2 replace him in d 1st place). JUST MY THEORY.

Organizized
May 12, 2009, 05:13 PM
Now wait one bleedin' minute... Blackbeard? But then.. wha.. who... why? THis spoiler makes no sense to me at all. Just when things looked like the plot was becoming relatively straight forward he throws the most popular candidate for last antagonist in there. Shiryuu is out as well... I really hope to have a more detailed spoiler script up very soon or I'll go insane. There's so many extremely powerful people at that damn prison now my head would implode should I try to calculate the douriki of them all.


blackbeard, what the hell...

fastfonz
May 12, 2009, 05:26 PM
Blackbeard has the will of D and does whatever he likes.. he is no ones dog. I think if it is true, then it only shows that aside from Luffy, Blackbeard was also thinking of destroying ID, probably for a prisoner, and was just waiting for the right time.

Blackbeard kicked Ace ass, is respected as a fighter by Shanks, and has the will of D. If Blackbeard is there, he certainly is not going to lose. None of them, with possibly the exception of Jimbei, if he gets BB in the water, stands a chance in hell of defeating him.

Onomatopoeia
May 12, 2009, 06:35 PM
Maybe BB will finally be seen as a true enemy to Luffy after this arc? Perhaps something to do with BB hurting a Nakama*cough*Bon Clay*cough*

I wonder if Luffy even remembers BB,actually?

Wowzers
May 12, 2009, 06:41 PM
For BB to be at ID... Maybe he is setting up a trap and he doesn't want to take the time to explain it to the gaolers at ID. They would likely resist using ID for that purpose anyway, so he sucks them in??

It still doesn't make too much sense to me either. Maybe he is planning on imploding ID?? But then how is HE supposed to get out? The ocean wouldn't be too kind to him. Likely also lose the Shichibukai title he schemed and worked hard to get.

Maybe he wants Luffy to join the party at Marineford and so he is clearing out the top level of ID to make it easier to get out? Maybe he figures he can get away with it if no-one survives his visit?

The only thing I can come up with is maybe he wants to build Luffy up into a credible threat to the marines so that he can be credited with taking down yet another dangerous pirate. Aren't there enough of those already though?

We'll just have to wait for the actual raw I guess... or at least a camshot.

pjboom
May 12, 2009, 06:41 PM
Maybe BB wants Shiryuu to join his crew, he didn't have any swordman that I remember.

bittman
May 12, 2009, 06:43 PM
Haha, Blackbeard turns up?

Fuck yeah!

Some other stuff seems to happen, but my favourite villain appeared, so all is well.

Lord Rayleigh
May 12, 2009, 06:48 PM
BB might still want to fight Luffy who escaped on Jaya...
BB wanted to fight Luffy because he was the first over-100 millions bounty - that he met after having left the WB crew - and he needed a supernovae at least to ask for a Shichibukai position. The proof of that is that he did not want to fight Luffy before learning about his true bounty. This was only a fight he wanted for the will to be promoted Shichibukai.
As he is frow now on a Shichibukai - thanks to the capture of Ace - he need not to fight Luffy anymore. He has no personal reasons to hunt Luffy ; the only current reason would be a WG order.


I've been thinking about it. WG probably wouldn't send the newest Shichibukai to sort things out at ID. If any, they would send Kuma.
I agree with the first past of your sentence but I disagree about sending Kuma.
From what we saw the last time of Kuma, his relationship with the Marines is loathsome : with the Admiral Kizaru first (on the Shabondy Islands) and then, with the Admiral Sengoku when he learnt the SHs were alive (when Luffy invaded ID).
His relationship with the WG is unknown : he has not carried out his mission to kill all the SHs in Thriller Back and this was a direct order from the WG itself.
So, I doubt they would send Kuma either.

ofir271
May 12, 2009, 06:49 PM
its the perfect chance for BB to gain faim and power.all the major forces are occupied atm.
somehow the lvl6 prisonres were intrerduced by names and dids but nothing more then that. if BB suck everything all the way to lvl 6 and make them all his crew he will defenetlly become one if not the most powerfull pirate and thats his aim bassiclly to become the pirate kind and dominate the seas.
i dont think he is interested in defeting luffy he probaably want to see him in the new world.also he is not my favorite he do belive in fate and dreams.

btw if its fake what i wrote is just crap but if its real its just jenious.
i guess you can call it jenious crap.

Lord Rayleigh
May 12, 2009, 06:53 PM
I wonder if Luffy even remembers BB,actually?
Of course, he does. From what happened on the bar on Jaya Island between the both, he cannot forget him. Moreover, from Zoro and Luffy's words about " them " and not " him ", it shows that they well understand that he is a pirate captain with nakamas and that he is a rival of the SHs.

Wowzers
May 12, 2009, 06:53 PM
Luffy probably remembers him as "the guy who likes pie". http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/223/16/

Razh
May 12, 2009, 06:57 PM
BB is after something that still remains hidden in ID... perhaps lvl 7? hidden weapons lvl lol point is that killing WB is probably in BB's plans but he never meant for it like this. i believe in dofla and will side with the spoilers being true. :)

No need to invent new levels here. Nobody even hinted about anything like the level 7.
If Blackbeard is there he probably wants or needs a person. That's the only thing ID has to offer. Maybe he needs someone with a specific devil fruit which is important for his plans. With all those pirates and devil fruit users in there it's not that much of a stretch at all.

Maybe he wants Shiryuu although I can't imagine how he would convince such a fanatic to become a pirate. But of course, we only know so much about Shiryuu. Maybe he just wants to kill people.
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I agree with the first past of your sentence but I disagree about sending Kuma.
From what we saw the last time of Kuma, his relationship with the Marines is loathsome : with the Admiral Kizaru first (on the Shabondy Islands) and then, with the Admiral Sengoku when he learnt the SHs were alive (when Luffy invaded ID).
His relationship with the WG is unknown : he has not carried out his mission to kill all the SHs in Thriller Back and this was a direct order from the WG itself.
So, I doubt they would send Kuma either.

I meant that Kuma is probably the only Shichibukai they would send there. They may not trust him completely, but he's the most reliable of Shichibukai.
Also, he's the only one that would be able to get there in time to make a difference. Blackbeard obviously started moving towards ID long before the outbreak began. And it's still a question whether anyone outside ID knows what's happening. So, if WG knew and decided to send reinforcements, Kuma would be the most logical, and frankly, their only choice.

Guru Nanak
May 12, 2009, 07:01 PM
I agree with the first past of your sentence but I disagree about sending Kuma.
From what we saw the last time of Kuma, his relationship with the Marines is loathsome : with the Admiral Kizaru first (on the Shabondy Islands) and then, with the Admiral Sengoku when he learnt the SHs were alive (when Luffy invaded ID).
His relationship with the WG is unknown : he has not carried out his mission to kill all the SHs in Thriller Back and this was a direct order from the WG itself.
So, I doubt they would send Kuma either.

Agree..and why send another shichibukai if you got hancock - nearest to ID atm - to settle things down, if that's what the WG really wants.

IMHO, this really sounds fake (no disrespect to the people who confirmed the spoilers) but this is kinda absurd. Yes, we know Oda does unexpected things, however he does it in a relevant and plausible style.

Lord Rayleigh
May 12, 2009, 07:02 PM
If Blackbeard is there he probably wants or needs a person. That's the only thing ID has to offer. Maybe he needs someone with a specific devil fruit which is important for his plans. With all those pirates and devil fruit users in there it's not that much of a stretch at all.
A first idea would be that BB think that the ruckus in ID is a way to free an useful person without obtaining problems : I mean that the ID/Marines/WG would not know that he is the one who liberated a prisoner as there was a lot of prisoners liberated by the LVL 5.5 prisoners, and the Mr 3/Buggy Team.
A different idea would be that BB will liberate the legends of LVL 6 Oda talked some chapters ago because ID would not be at present able to prevent him from this goal. But it would be obvious that it would be him that liberated a/the legend(s) because they saw that Luffy, Inazuma and Ivankov only freed Crocodile and Jimbei.
I talked about BB liberating these legends because from what happens in ID, we understood that there will not going be a ruckus in LVL 6 because the LVL 5.5 prisoners/Crazy Team decided to not liberate them. So, if these legends have to come in the future story, they have to be liberated by some other people. And if BB is really in ID, I see none other to do it.

Razh
May 12, 2009, 07:14 PM
If Blackbeard is in ID then he can't and doesn't plan to be a Shichibukai again. And I don't think he plans to free all those legends. They wouldn't all want to join.
I think, since Blackbeard said that he planned everything, that he didn't just decide to go to ID, free some legends than see if anyone wants to join his crew. That's too reckless. And it's possible none of those would join him.
I think he needs someone for something, otherwise he wouldn't risk making an enemy out of WG. Whether it's some knowledge, skill or devil fruit, remains to be seen. That is, if the spoiler is true and if I'm right about this. :)

Wowzers
May 12, 2009, 07:22 PM
How about this...
1. BB has access to the island with Devil Fruits (assumption)
2. The same devil fruit can only exist one at a time. The owner of that DF has to die for it to be regrown on the tree/bush that they grow on.
3. There is a large number of Devil Fruit users locked up in ID.
4. ID will totally flood if the first level is destroyed.
5. All DF users can't swim and in this case are also locked up in cages.
6. BB destroys the first level and the water pours in. All the prisoners in ID die so there is a surge in the number of Devil Fruits available on the Island they grow on.
7. BB's nakama pick up the available DF's and use or sell them for 100's of millions each.

Onomatopoeia
May 12, 2009, 07:34 PM
I just can't seem to wrap my mind on why BB wants to be here?

He has absolutely no reason to want to even be here. WB will probablly die in the coming battle. With Ace's ship out at sea this would be a great time for WB to attack the convoy. So why is BB here? And why is he acting as if he doesn't want to be a Shichi? Heck I doubt the Marines would even let him leave Marineford.

Sharingan warrior
May 12, 2009, 07:55 PM
i think bb is there to free the prisoners on level 6. IF i think about all the prisoners there hate whitebeard so if they are like croc and blackbeard proves to them that he is strosng say on the way there he defeats magellan and shows them that he did and promises them that if they join him they will have whitebeard's head maybe they'll join him.I mean freedom and a chance to take out your most hated nemisis that would sound appealling to any of them imo.Maybe that's his plan,it kinda makes sense to me as to why he wanted the shishibukai status because as a member of the whitebeard pirates he must have come upon many other pirates in battle who hated whitebeard who got caught and he thinks would be a great addition to his crew

Badman
May 12, 2009, 08:00 PM
Why would he settle for being a SB when the opportunity to take whitebeard's place is here? If and when WB falls, he would be well equipped to take take his place if he's got those legends in ID in his crew.

Shadoguardian
May 12, 2009, 08:02 PM
This has too be fake. Too many new and powerful characters are appearing too frequently and suddenly.

hasin
May 12, 2009, 08:29 PM
don't you think of BB as he is an avarage shicki. i mean s/o who only cares about fame , power etc. try to think about him as s/o who holds the name "D" in his name. he posseses the will of "D" which is yet to be expained. don't mix him with the likes of croc or moria. i don't think he is a bad guy. it is true that he killed his nakama for a firuet and captured another nakama for a title. but he didn't have a choice in both situations. but now he has a choice. he has to sail in the new world to become the pirate king. fighting WB or getting further fame by killing Luffy is not a must for him anymore. the best theory I come up with is here:
the ones with the title of "D" are fair people. their absolute freedom is a must. they are protective over their friends. to become the pirate king he already sacrificed enough. now that he is a shiki. he can be himself. his presense in ID has to do smt about that mysterios will of D.

amizou
May 12, 2009, 09:21 PM
BB wants to become a shishibukay for a reason, and he said that he nneds the title is just a small part of his plan, and i think he already planned to become a shishibukay so he can free some people from ID, and now he got the opportunity to do so, i'm not saying he planned the war and all this but he wanted to be shishibukay and wait for an opportunity to infiltrate ID, i think he is there because he needs some people to join him and he knows them (not going to level 6 asking who wants to join me) he needs a specific man or few men, also he maybe has a nakam there who has been caught a long time ago and sent to ID and he wants to free him and join himm again, some people may say that he is a villian and may not do that but he is a "D" and he cares about his nakamas, the ones in his pirate crew and it looks that they love him like the strawhats loves luffy

Onomatopoeia
May 12, 2009, 10:09 PM
I could see Jinbei fighting BB pretty soon. After all BB did sort of start everything. And since Jinbei is the only one in the group who doesn't have a DF...

I'm pretty much guessing that BB wants to make a crew out of the prisoners. They all seem to want WB dead just as much as BB after all.

chitgoks
May 12, 2009, 10:15 PM
jinbei can fight bb, he doesnt have a devil fruit so bb will have to use other means

LDSaint
May 12, 2009, 10:59 PM
jinbei can fight bb, he doesnt have a devil fruit so bb will have to use other means

wat u mean jinbei can fight BB? Just because he doesnt have a DF doesnt mean the BB fruit doesnt effect or do anything to jinbei. he has the power to suck anything and everything including light in just as it says in the spoiler wen he sucks the gaolers in. not only that we wernt shown all of the fight between him and ace so we mite and probably dont even no all of his abilities.

bittman
May 12, 2009, 11:00 PM
Hmm, the longer I think about this the more I wonder whether he's there for:
1) His own accord - which seems to be the obvious answer and what everyone has guessed
2) WG order - what if they wanted him to get someone, and he's just doing things a little aggressively?

I still hope it's #1, but that he doesn't get busted and maintains his Shichibukai status.

Gol.D.Roger
May 13, 2009, 01:07 AM
Black Beard is a smart guy and so is Oda... Blackbeard handed over Ace knowing that White Beard would attack and all the Marines would be lured away from ID. He will then use this opportunity to free the legends who are held in level 6. He will put them in his crew to take over the whole world.

Blackbeard's master plan revealed!

Oda is a freakin genius... no doubt about that now.

fastfonz
May 13, 2009, 01:36 AM
Black Beard is a smart guy and so is Oda... Blackbeard handed over Ace knowing that White Beard would attack and all the Marines would be lured away from ID. He will then use this opportunity to free the legends who are held in level 6. He will put them in his crew to take over the whole world.

Blackbeard's master plan revealed!

Oda is a freakin genius... no doubt about that now.

Blackbeard is a master mind. He is killing three birds with one stone.. regardless of who wins the war.. both are going to be weakenned.

While the WG and WB are weakened, he strenghtens his crew.. possibly even double its power by destroying ID and recruiting some level 6 guys.. which would have been impossible before this war. Shiryu is a possiblity. Also aparently lafite flies.. that gives a new angle to BBs crew.

Dofla
May 13, 2009, 01:56 AM
I'll hold you to that


It seems that i won't have to ban myself.
What about setting a funny new rule for next weeks?
Those who'll claim that spoilers I post/ confirm are fake without any proof will be banned and if they appear to be fakes, i'll!


it seems that Lafitte's wings explain how he was able to reach the Marie joa metting without being noticed...

kouji
May 13, 2009, 02:16 AM
WOAH !!! ... according to the pics ... Laffite has WINGS ???? wth is his DF ???? maybe a bird zoan ... it also explains how he got to the WG shichibukai meeting at the first place ...

and M.Bison is out already xD

Evohwoo
May 13, 2009, 02:42 AM
Okay, after seeing the look of Sengokus face, I'm a 100% sure that BB didn't go there on WGs order.
Chapter looks damn interesting.
Besides, I also think that (if there should be a BB vs someone) Jinbei will fight BB. He has not eaten a DF, so he can use his full power.
Damn, can't wait for the script/raws..

Can someone translate what Sengoku is saying?

silversunboy
May 13, 2009, 02:46 AM
I like the idea that BB will recruit Shiryu.
Most likely BB will be the final enemy of Luffy before becoming Pirate King. BB also inherits the will of D.
If that is the case there need to be an opponent for Zoro. That person must use a sword, and must be strong enough. Shiryu use a sword, so that seems logical.
We also have Usopp is a sniper and there is some sniper guy on BB team as well.
The wresting champion might be the opponent of Sanji.
Everything is well planned.

thesage
May 13, 2009, 02:56 AM
I like the idea that BB will recruit Shiryu.
Most likely BB will be the final enemy of Luffy before becoming Pirate King. BB also inherits the will of D.
If that is the case there need to be an opponent for Zoro. That person must use a sword, and must be strong enough. Shiryu use a sword, so that seems logical.
We also have Usopp is a sniper and there is some sniper guy on BB team as well.
The wresting champion might be the opponent of Sanji.
Everything is well planned.

I thought that mihawk was the best swordsman in OP world and zoro wants to fight mihawk more than anyone else

kouji
May 13, 2009, 03:07 AM
so shiryu is supposed to go and "deal" with blackbeard ... the chances of BB recruiting him now is growing xD ... since Magellan said this is only an extention of ur time here, so blackbeard will recruit him telling shiryu "u dont want to listen to Magellan" man this was very unpredictable xD

justf0rnow
May 13, 2009, 03:24 AM
I like the idea that BB will recruit Shiryu.
Most likely BB will be the final enemy of Luffy before becoming Pirate King. BB also inherits the will of D.
If that is the case there need to be an opponent for Zoro. That person must use a sword, and must be strong enough. Shiryu use a sword, so that seems logical.
We also have Usopp is a sniper and there is some sniper guy on BB team as well.
The wresting champion might be the opponent of Sanji.
Everything is well planned.

Don't forget brooke vs. latife, since they both use the same looking stick that works like a sword (or might be for latife)

Ustegius
May 13, 2009, 03:26 AM
Woah, didn't see this one coming. LAfitte has wings, and did I see correctly; Blackbeard really has a beard now? Cool. This is frigging awesome, BB definetly is the mastermind.

But recruiting these convicts, many of whom are former captains.. I don't really see why they would obey BB, that would be troublesome crew. I think he is there to recruit certain inviduals (Shiryuu), individuals so strong that the risk of betrayal is worth it.

dragonballz66
May 13, 2009, 03:29 AM
One Piece is really unpredictable. Almost everybody thought the spoiler was a fake, turns out to be the real thing.

kangclaw
May 13, 2009, 03:35 AM
1. WB is after BB as well as rescuing Ace.
2. BB needs more powerful crew members, for becoming PK and because his current crew has no chance against WB or crew. So BB is at Impel Down to recruit more Powerful members.
3. The war is benefit as it will reduce opponents to BB becoming PK.

chitgoks
May 13, 2009, 03:53 AM
blackbeard's done. he shows up with his crew in impel down, the WG's going to revoke his shichibukai status.

zenkokuku
May 13, 2009, 03:58 AM
No doubt Shank’s interception to Kaidoh’s attack will weaken both sides as well. Really after this fight the one who remain unscathed will be the fourth Yonkou, and after Blackbeard finish recruiting these guys he only needs to focus on one obstacle.
I find it funny as soon as Blackbeard becomes a Shichibukai, he is now on the verge of getting stripped of his status.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 04:18 AM
He probably only wanted the status so he could get to ID.
Or maybe things are going so well for him now that he doesn't even need the title any more. But if he's planned everything than he wants a specific person from ID. He won't free level 6 and see if anyone wants to join him.
We can't even exclude that Blackbeard knows Shiryuu from before. Shiryuu wasn't a head gaoler for his entire life.

cheaptrick
May 13, 2009, 04:22 AM
well maybe bb is aiming for one of the prisoner quoted by iwankof some chapters ago.. but wth? 5 hrs of fighting and they're still on level 3??

Razh
May 13, 2009, 04:29 AM
I don't think so. Those names weren't even shown. If they were about to be important they would at least be shown.
It obvious that ID is ruined after this. At least it's reputation. Shiryuu seems kinda important. He's about to fight Blackbeard. Blackbeard obviously won't lose.
I don't think Oda introduced Shiryuu for the sole purpose of showing Blackbeard's strength. That's not Oda style. Blackbeard doesn't have a swordsman. Lafite could be one but even if he is, he's not swordsman enough, if you know what I mean.
Also Shiryuu was never portrayed as a fanatic servant of the WG who is all about justice. He just kills trash for fun or whatever. He can do the same being a pirate.

I don't think Luffy or anyone of his mates will even see Blackbeard. By the time they get up, Blackbeard pirates will be gone.

goldb
May 13, 2009, 04:37 AM
My god!!! wot a way to start my net surfing...Blackbeard in ID??!! Oda's awesomeness is blinding! jus pure epicness. If Blackbeard recruits Shiryuu he's gonna be rediculously strong as a crew.

Marines must be shitting themselves right bout now hehehehehe.

zelllogan
May 13, 2009, 04:48 AM
Until now I thought it was a fake.

I only see three "possible" goals for BB:
- killing Ace for some reason (finish the work, piss off WB, whatever)
- Recruiting someone new in Impel Down
- If you are the government, and you need to hide unused devil fruits, there isn't a better place that some unknown cell in Impel Down. And BB could want fruits for his teammates.

But, all that is still unlikely. It's really weird

Shiryuu vs BB ... it's even weirder. I wouldn't be surprised if Shiryuu joins BB. As said by Razh, BB crew miss a "real" swordman. If Shiryuu joins, it will give us a possible "Shiryuu vs Zoro" in the future.

Another thing, Lafitte have wings ??? Weird ability for a "swordman".

choke_a_beech
May 13, 2009, 05:06 AM
i don't think bb would go all the way to ID just to kill Ace. i mean Ace's gonna get executed anyways...there's no point in BB going to all that trouble to finish the job. whitebeard was always gonna come after him cause of what he did to his crew and Ace. recruiting members is prob most likely. additional devil fruits...i like that too.

Shadoguardian
May 13, 2009, 05:14 AM
What do you think the chances are that Blackbeard heard that Luffy was causing problems in ID and decided to go there, just too kill him, is? Or do you think he's planning on freeing one of those big names in Lv. 6 just to get nakama?

But this is really random for Oda. Usually he gives a hint (even a small one) when a new character is going to pop up somewhere. Blackbeard kind of came out of the blue.

bittman
May 13, 2009, 05:27 AM
ODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *explodes rainbows*

And it's not just Blackbeard, but his entire crew? Hoooolllly shit!

Right now, if they are against Luffy there is really no way out. If they are with him, how could Magellan and Shiryuu possibly win?

Yet here Magellan says "take care of Blackbeard" to Shiryuu, making it sound like he can take on Jimbei, croc, iva, luffy etc. I don't know if that's just balls or BALLS!

diZaZterR
May 13, 2009, 05:30 AM
blackbeard wants Croccodile to be in his crew, that's why he go to ID to rescue him,..

street_san
May 13, 2009, 05:39 AM
Ok...so this i what I'm thinking. Before that you have to know that I hate BB soo...any possibility for him to take a good beating his an incredible good thing to me :P

Magellan said to Shiryuu to take care of WB. This is the first time we are going to see Shiryuu in a fight....and I don't think that he will lose. There are two possibilities.

1) Maybe Oda wants to stop the speculating of BB beeing the final villain and beating him up in ID (that would be something really strange)
2) Or he wanna show that BB isn't a guy to be taken lightly.

Anyway, if BB recruits Shiryuu...he might be revoke from his position as a Shishibukai for freeing a prisonner who's in line for a death row....and that wouldn't be too good for him.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 05:48 AM
Anyway, if BB recruits Shiryuu...he might be revoke from his position as a Shishibukai for freeing a prisonner who's in line for a death row....and that wouldn't be too good for him.

Think man!
Blackbeard renounced his position as Shichibukai by doing what he did now. There's no going back for him.

goldb
May 13, 2009, 05:57 AM
@ razh: very true...what most of us are guessing could be right; that he's there to recruit since they possibly know of the incidents happening in ID??, or he's there to help the WG which is unlikely or there's another reason that we ain't seen yet. I'm already looking forward to 543 :p

BlackHair
May 13, 2009, 06:00 AM
I can't believe that the BB part was true after all. This was truly unpredictable, I can't even remember some1 mentioning BB at all.

So Magallan intends to go after Luffy's crew by himself? He must be quite confident in his ability. Hopefully we see him in action, rly want to see his ability maxed out. Would probably also help a certain thread in the davy bight section lol.

Shiyru vs BB, hm.. I beginning to think he has come for Shiyru. Maybe they are old pals and now he wants him in his crew. Actually they are missing a swordsman right (for Zoro vs)? I think I will support this theory for now.

Sachsenhesse
May 13, 2009, 06:02 AM
you all forget its oda we are talking about, no one did expect that blackbeard would come to inpel down and now we are all thinking he is here to recruit shiryuu... that is way to obvious xD so when he is going to recruit someone then its someone we wouldnt figure out

but what i like on this chapter is sengoku xD everytime when he has a panel his life hates him

goldb
May 13, 2009, 06:03 AM
the cam raw is out and those who guessed that Carue would be on the cover give yourselves a pat on the back, now I'm going back to see the rest of the images.

Ustegius
May 13, 2009, 06:05 AM
I had a wacky idea, based on what someone posted earlier. What if WG stores Dfs in Impel Down?

BB waited decades to achieve the fruit he wanted. Now Lafitte has wings (could be that he had those before, though). Maybe BB is hunting for certain DFs to create the ultimate crew combination? I mean, he said he memorised every fruit in the book, why would he memorise every single one if he was looking for a certain one (yami yami)? Well, of course it still could be a back-up plan to consume some other one if he didn't come across with yami yami for ever, but I still doubt that.

Now, as a shichibukai, he has probaply authorization in the files of WG, from these files, he found that one or several of the fruits he is looking for reside in ID.

I kinda like the idea, but I still prefer to think that he came there to recruit crew members.

Shadoguardian
May 13, 2009, 06:18 AM
BB probably knows a ton of pirates who has a bone too pick with WB (once being part of his crew and all), but he's probably after someone specific, someone he's fought before.

BlackHair
May 13, 2009, 06:27 AM
Why is it surprising that BB can suck in people? I mean he already confirmed that by himself: Panel 7 (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/05/). Also BB wasn't all that serious fighting Ace, I explained mine reason here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1314869&postcount=46). There is still stuff we haven't seen of him, same goes for Magallan, who also had no major trouble beating Luffy.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 06:41 AM
Magellan has no choice but to send Shiryuu fighting Blackbeard. If they fight together, they are going to be exposed from one side. And Magellan is hardly alone, but he's not much of a team player, since his poison is a threat for everyone around him.

I really doubt that devil fruits are stored in Impel Down. Impel Down is a jail.
If anywhere, Devil Fruits are probably stored in Mariejoia somewhere. Possibly near Vegapunk.

goldb
May 13, 2009, 06:46 AM
why would they store devil fruits in prison??? where escapees could get their hands on it...and wow!! Lafitte with wings???!!! Oda really knows how to make you go *sees Lafitte with wings, flips to next page then....!!!Lafitte has wings???*

Razh
May 13, 2009, 06:57 AM
Also, I like it when Blackbeard looks like this. I mean tall and not really so fat.
When he was fighting Ace he looked more like a big blob with tiny hands and legs.

toxun
May 13, 2009, 07:01 AM
Thinking possibility of Shiryuu joining Blackbeard, it's kinda fit with other reason. He just want to recruit another misguided law enforcement just like Lafitte :). Maybe Lafitte is also a devil fruit user (if I remember correctly Pell, on Alabasta mentioned there's 5 kind of Devil Fruit which enable it's eater to fly, so it explain why he could infiltrate Marie Joa in the first Shichibukai meeting [vol 25 I guess, no it is :p]). But what type he is? Angel? Teach might also looking for Luffy, or somebody else. But reason of it may piled up to make his appearance there :).

Razh
May 13, 2009, 07:03 AM
Maybe he's a devil fruit user? Angel? He has some bird devil fruit, that's all.

And it seems those demon guards weren't something special after all.

I think Shiryuu knows that ID is ruined. But even if it weren't he's still on death row. Now, he's killing marines. He's not gonna fight Blackbeard. He's going to sail with him to New World.

Sachsenhesse
May 13, 2009, 07:08 AM
jeah if only 5 devil fruits can fly... then theres only 3 left for the story

... how about a chimäredevilfruit for golden lion? :P

gesgift
May 13, 2009, 07:14 AM
Euhm, how did BB's crew got there, since they're in the Calm Belt. Did they stole a marine ship, did they put Seastone on their ship? Is Vegapunk on their side?

Putting Shiryu on BB crew would be to oubvious, but I'm still very curious about why BB's there, what has it to do with his conquest to become Pirate King?

monkey D luffy
May 13, 2009, 07:17 AM
holy shit this is epic once again! i dont remember a chapter that wasnt epic in the last 5-6 monthes

Shadoguardian
May 13, 2009, 07:28 AM
I kind of feel sorry for those psychopathic little forest animals.

Aizen Sama
May 13, 2009, 07:29 AM
great chapter as usual. Whenever WB shows up this arc will be on a level never seen before.

JC123
May 13, 2009, 07:32 AM
Holy Crap Oda...

What the hell did they put in your raisin bran?

He goes from good to awesome in .01 seconds!

Captain Josh
May 13, 2009, 07:34 AM
Exactly why I read One Piece...

BlkHorus
May 13, 2009, 08:03 AM
OMFG!!!!!!! This is going beyond epic! Oda is a genius!!! No need to say anything but wait and enjoy this......Oda writes this like he is giving an orgasm to manga each chapter!!!! I can't wait to see the next chapter already!

I have a feeling that Shiryuu will join BB's crew. My only speculation for that is that from the start when we saw BB's crew, he didn't have a swordsman that would have to face Zoro. I mean he has the "champ" guy, but he seems to be strictly physical combat and Zoro wants to be the best swordsman so he needs to battle a swordsman - even though I say that either way Zoro will kick ass. But I think its about time that we see a new member join BB and maybe learn more of his plan to go about what it is that he aims to do. And what better time than to see that again, Luffy and BB cross paths in the most unlikely of chances and places. As said earlier, the strong that will mold the pirate future will cross paths on the sea.....damn! I love this manga!

yellowblue
May 13, 2009, 08:06 AM
Since BB expected WB to have an all out war with the WG in the next couple of hours, now is the perfect time to recruit people in ID. Once the balance of power is gone with lots of casualties between sides, BB will emerge stronger and will be at par with WB. Attacking WB right after the fight with WG assuming he is still alive, is the best move for BB.

What BB did not expect and could ruin his plan is Luffy. I hope Ace is still in the area and hoping for Ace + Luffy vs BB.

Yans86
May 13, 2009, 08:28 AM
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND SENGOKU FACE...............PRICELESS AGAIN!!!!!
I'M LOVING BLACKBEARD!!!!

Evohwoo
May 13, 2009, 08:29 AM
Maybe we'll see a BB vs. Luffy in the next few Chapters.
Cause we all know that Luffy has to lose at least one fight against his enemies, don't we?
And even if they don't fight, I really want to know if Luffy remembers him from the Jaya Arc.
But I don't think Ace is still at ID. He has allready been given to the marines by Magellan. They'll bring him to MHQ . And we all saw Magellan fighting at level 2, so there were at least a few moments till he got there.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 08:36 AM
Maybe we'll see a BB vs. Luffy in the next few Chapters.
Cause we all know that Luffy has to lose at least one fight against his enemies, don't we?
And even if they don't fight, I really want to know if Luffy remembers him from the Jaya Arc.
But I don't think Ace is still at ID. He has allready been given to the marines by Magellan. They'll bring him to MHQ . And we all saw Magellan fighting at level 2, so there were at least a few moments till he got there.

Curse you for those words!!! Didn't he lose in enough fights already? No more losing for a while!

Ace is on the way to Marineford now.

And I think Luffy would have remembered Blackbeard really easy. He would probablycall him a "Pie-guy". :)

BlkHorus
May 13, 2009, 08:44 AM
Oh yeah, Luffy will definitely remember him. Luffy may be an idiot at times, but when it comes to dangerous enemies..Luffy has a 6th sense to detecting them. Remember back in that arc, when BB started talking to him outside the bar, both him and Zoro knew that there was more to him than being a foolish looking pirate that loved pies.

Anyways, I just can't wait.....I kinda don't want BB and Luffy to face off in ID since Luffy has soo much to do to get to Ace....but i do think that BB will spot Luffy and won't interfere as he has a different target for being there. I do believe that at that time, if Luffy does spot BB, he won't do anything since its a good bet that Luffy doesn't know that BB was the one that defeated Ace and put him in that position he is in. That would make it more memorable when Luffy and BB finally fight knowing that Luffy learns more later on about BB being the one to put this all in motion and so forth.

BlackHair
May 13, 2009, 09:36 AM
How comes we see so often Sengoku's suprise/angered/pissed off face? I as a old-league fanboy (Sengoku, garp, WB), don't like it lol

fastfonz
May 13, 2009, 09:40 AM
Oh yeah, Luffy will definitely remember him. Luffy may be an idiot at times, but when it comes to dangerous enemies..Luffy has a 6th sense to detecting them.

Anyways, I just can't wait.....I kinda don't want BB and Luffy to face off in ID since Luffy has soo much to do to get to Ace.....

I hope nothing happens yet. I dont think it should. Also, while BB put Ace in ID, it was business, not personal. Same with Luffy. He shouldnt be focused or care about Luffy at all right now.

I wouldnt mind a small skirmish between Ace and Luffy vs BB sometime later this Arc, but not in ID. Also, just a skirmish, their fight should be later.

In fact, BB might be surprised in a good way for Luffy. He should be concerned, they will probably notice they are going to have to face off eventually if they meet in ID.

About the flying fruits.. the Strawhats need someone in the air. They are going to recruit a fishman.. but I keep it open that one of the ones that doesnt yet have a df, eats one of the flying ones.
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Curse you for those words!!! Didn't he lose in enough fights already? No more losing for a while!

Ace is on the way to Marineford now.

And I think Luffy would have remembered Blackbeard really easy. He would probablycall him a "Pie-guy". :)

yeah no more losing.. he lost too much already.. plus he is on adrenaline life support right now.

Shadoguardian
May 13, 2009, 10:17 AM
Wait, something's wrong with this Lafitte character. If we're assuming those wings of his were actually part of him, created with use of a Devil Fruit, assuming that it's one of the 5 flying types of devil fruits, assuming that it's a zoan type devil fruit, and assuming that's his halfway point, then there is definitely something wrong. Usually the user of such Devil Fruits would look part animal.

Seeing as that's the case, those wings are either not part of him, or he has a DF, but it's not zoan. It's probably a wing-wing fruit, or something similar.

RichardMNixon
May 13, 2009, 10:27 AM
he has a DF, but it's not zoan. It's probably a wing-wing fruit, or something similar.

That's my bet, Pell never said they were all Zoan. Really though I'm not super inclined to believe Pell, as not everything everyone says about devil fruits has been right. What about the movement of Smoker, Croc, and Kizaru? Are they not flying? Maybe not Kizaru but only because he has a better mode of transport.

Also it looks like the minobeasts get their minobutts handed to them.

knivez
May 13, 2009, 10:34 AM
just when you think you know what will happen next oda trows a what the fuck at you.

I cant read japanese but i know this chapter will be epic.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 10:47 AM
Wait, something's wrong with this Lafitte character. If we're assuming those wings of his were actually part of him, created with use of a Devil Fruit, assuming that it's one of the 5 flying types of devil fruits, assuming that it's a zoan type devil fruit, and assuming that's his halfway point, then there is definitely something wrong. Usually the user of such Devil Fruits would look part animal.

Seeing as that's the case, those wings are either not part of him, or he has a DF, but it's not zoan. It's probably a wing-wing fruit, or something similar.

It's possible there is a fruit which gives wings to user.

But you can't exclude a zoan just because his face looks normal. The pic is blurry and I'm not even sure if he has hands or if it's just his shirt. We can't see his feet, which could also be talons.

And it's always possible that he is able to do just partial transformations. We can't rule out anything.

But I do hate the idea of wing fruit for a paramecia. That would bring too many options to paramecia. Tail fruit? Beak fruit? Claw fruit? Tusk fruit?
Lafite seems to have light feather wings. What about bat wing fruit?

I'm really voting for zoan.

Lord Rayleigh
May 13, 2009, 11:07 AM
Black Beard is a smart guy and so is Oda... Blackbeard handed over Ace knowing that White Beard would attack and all the Marines would be lured away from ID.
No, this is definitely false : BB had not planned the war between WG and WB as he had not predicted to beat Ace :
- He did not know Ace was chasing him
- He asked Ace if he wanted to join his crew when they met ...


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BB wanted to beat Luffy during the Jaya Arc as he was a supernovae. After the SHs left Jaya, he stopped thinking about capturing Luffy as he was not able to go where he was going and did not know if he would ever meet him again.
After the Water 7 Arc, BB had learnt Luffy was in a near island and that he had done the last ruckus. So, he decided for the second time to capture him.
Now, that he has managed to become a shichibukai, Luffy have no interest in his plans. Maybe he would like to beat Luffy just because he can be a threat to his plans but Luffy is not included anymore in his plans.

cachaco99
May 13, 2009, 11:09 AM
A REALLY GOOD THEORY ABOUT BLACKBEARD BEING IN ID - 4th paragraph

i was reading some of what you guys have been writing. in the first couple of pages everyone was like "oh its fake, blackbeard can't be here and blah blah blah". i mean come on guys its oda we're talking about the stuff that is least likely to happen may happen.

i checked the spoilers and i do see blackbeard. i think this chapter is so bad-@$$ cuz blackbeard is definitely one of my favorites.

this is what i think is happening or is gonna happen - chances are its gonna be 100% wrong because we all try to guess whats gonna happen but 90% of us get it wrong. nevertheless its still fun to think of what could blackbeards aim be. so here it is

maybe he's going down to level 6 to get those pirates iva was talking about. the 2 guys and 1 girl pirate that are in level 6. it doesnt make to much sense cuz how would blackbeard even know they were there in the first place. but my reasoning is this. oda mentioned them so they should play some sort of role and they should at least be seen. i mean i sure as hell wanna see the baddest female pirate ever. she could be hot. i mean why would oda say peoples names if he wasnt gonna show them. plus iva, luffy and company didnt release many level 6 prisoners so maybe with blackbeard there he may do it for us. i mean we know they all want a piece of whitebeard and blackbeard thinks whitebeards reign is over so maybe blackbeard IS there to get some level 6 prisoners into his crew to get ready for the whitebeard fight. ok now i'm liking this theory. but like i said the chances of it coming true are slim. or maybe shiryuu will release those prisoners and become a pirate and such (hate that theory - like my blackbeards theory more)

now i just wonder what the 3 pirates are like and what they look like. and how are the strawhats getting back? maybe with the new addition to blackbeards crew (if it happens) maybe the strawhats and blackbeard pirates will fight.

i always liked these match ups

blackbeard vs luffy

i thought jesus vs zoro cuz they are both strong and they both threw a building at someone - jesus on ace and zoro on mr 1 but if those 3 pirates from level 6 join then maybe one of them should fight zoro. so maybe jesus vs franky (hate franky by the way)

laffiete vs sanji cuz of the feet theme - red leg vs tap dancing freak but again because sanji is a part of the strawhat monster trio and there are 2 guys in level 6 maybe one of them can fight sanji

van vs usopp - both are snipers

doc q vs chopper - 2 doctors

ofir271
May 13, 2009, 11:14 AM
got to say i dont like it. surprizing yes - ill give oda that. but i expect some better story not just fireworks.you cant use 10 chapters the same pathern and suddenlly out of the blue make it all irelevant.im just pissed.

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 11:49 AM
My head just exploded.
Yesterday I said the spoiler was fake and there was a fine line Between Epic ness and Madnes but today I say whats wrong with a little madness?!!!!!


A Month ago a theorized that BB could recruit I.D. prisoners for his crew since he'll be needing one to be a big cahoona in the NW. I KNEW BB's title as a schichibukai would be short lived. And we should never doubt Oda sensei, Those big names Iva through at Luffy will be shown!

I'll try and find my post

BlackHair
May 13, 2009, 11:54 AM
The Shichibukai may have no future. Considering that WB as the strongest Yonko may fall, the WG could eliminate one Yonko after the other. If that should happen, there is no more reason for the WG to keep the Shichibukai. Though there is a small weak point in my idea and Im asking that for a long time now, why didn't they go after the Yonko in the first place, I mean they are not working together..

Anyway the equilibrium we know may not exists after the war. So there is no real need for BB to value his position as a Shichi. That fat teeth less bastard is clever.

Caladan
May 13, 2009, 12:00 PM
When i read this chapter first, i really thought Shiryu was going to become a new member of the BB crew. The more i read all of your posts, the more i thought...now wait a minute... like another guy before me already said.... 90% of what we think about is going to end up being wrong.

What has not been discussed here is the fact that Shiryu is not really a good listener. Magellan told him to deal with BB, but why should Shiryu listen to Magellan. He didn't in the past and for killing his fellow goalers, he was put on death row.

Maybe another posibility.
What if BB and shiryu never meet and Shiryu takes this change to get out of ID?

fastfonz
May 13, 2009, 12:02 PM
The Shichibukai may have no future. Considering that WB as the strongest Yonko may fall, the WG could eliminate one Yonko after the other. If that should happen, there is no more reason for the WG to keep the Shichibukai. Though there is a small weak point in my idea and Im asking that for a long time now, why didn't they go after the Yonko in the first place, I mean they are not working together..

All in all, the equilibrium we know may not exists after the war. So there is no real need for BB to value his position as a Shichi. That fat teeth less bastard is clever.

I agree, but thats assuming the WG wins.. which might happen (for story sake).. or might not happen, I think Luffy might somehow prevent that from totally happening. Preventing a total collapse. But either way it works for BB. He probably only needs to double his strength.. at least recruit 1 more guy.. possibly up to 4.. and let the WG and WB weak each other. Then he kinda doesn't have anything to fear.

Also, BB crew looks by far already the strongest Shichibukai crew. Yonkous appear to have larger crews.. He is working on at least being as strong as a Yonkou by the end of this arc.

He didnt originally plan on capturing Ace.. he might not have thought about the WB and WG war.. he might have not even thought about attacking ID before, but BB adapts well to his circumstances. He has a main objective, but he adapts the rest. As a villain, Croc is probably as smart, but BB has a lot of a stronger devil fruit.

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 12:06 PM
hm well for one I think BB had to make changes to his ultimate plan when He got his hands on Ace cause he was hoping to gain shichibukai status by taking out a known rookie and taking shelter under the WG but now with this war Its like things couldnt get any better for him.

I thought about him completely abandoning his post in the middle of this battle and acquiring some battleships cause lets be honest, that raft of his isnt exactly pirate king material
I think he'll actually recruit some bastards from the inevitable ID jailbreak


Right on the mark! Could it be that my brain power is on par with Oda's?

Not likely lol

But I called it.

Sharingan warrior
May 13, 2009, 12:21 PM
Great chapter is coming upon us...again.Im surprised at the actual chapter but not at the fact that a chapter has everyone stunned and anxious because ive gotten use to oda doing this to all of his readers.As for blackbeards arrival at ID i stand by my theory that it is to gather more crew men and i feel the first will be shiryuu.Then i think he will convince shiryuu to take him to level 6 but on the way there they will meet magellan and both him and shiryuu will kill magellan.Shiryuu's motives would be that he doesnt want to go back to deathrow and because of luffy's escapades ID no longer is the place it was so he doesnt want the title as head gaoler anymore.So he will betray Magellan and then release prisoners to join blackbeard.And some people may ask what motivation these prisoners have to join black beard well: 1.if shiryuu decides to be his subordinate that says about alot his strength
2.he can offer them the chance to take whitebeards head
3.he can offer them freedom
4.he can offer them the chance to serve under the new pirate king

all in all good reasons for them to join his crew

beastboy
May 13, 2009, 12:32 PM
well I will do some random stuff cause just with random we can hit what oda is thinking.
I think BB is going there cause he is a revolutionary haahahhaahah he as the goal of becoming the PK but he works for dragon, and cause he recently discovered that ace is his boss's son he wants to stop the killing, but cause (he tinkes) Ace has mor chances of surviving with the WB thing he will save luffy first.

I'm not saying he is a all time revolutionary just that he belives in Dragons ambition and is a good friend of his.

It isn't based on facts cause Oda don't give us facts but it would be cool^^.
And after all he just wanted to be a shichi to pay a debt to dragon and say him some WG stuff.
And afterall kuma isn't a good guy, kuma is just a normal pirate that once fought dragon equally and he stayed in his memory, as rivals, and cause he RESPECTS HIM he saved his son, and that sentence after TB fits with this Idea, and is not easy to predict!!

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 12:34 PM
hmm, Shiryuu Vs. BB
Honestly, who could've guessed this a week ago?
It havent even sunk in yet But this Arc is turning out to Be legendary. Its already on the level of SA, surpassed skipea

Lee-tyme7
May 13, 2009, 12:36 PM
maybe bb got someone he knows locked in ID? or maybe he not there for recruitment at all.

thunderhead6482
May 13, 2009, 12:37 PM
Is it just me or has Blackbeard gotten skinnier, also Its awesome to see that Lafitte has wings!

Aizen Sama
May 13, 2009, 12:49 PM
maybe bb got someone he knows locked in ID? or maybe he not there for recruitment at all.

I doubt all of them will join BB. However I do think he wants to recruit a bunch of foot soldiers. I think he wants to replace WB as one of the yonkou by killing him during the battle.

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 01:05 PM
maybe bb got someone he knows locked in ID? or maybe he not there for recruitment at all.
that would still be recruitint because you'd assume he was getting that person out to join his crew.


I doubt all of them will join BB. However I do think he wants to recruit a bunch of foot soldiers. I think he wants to replace WB as one of the yonkou by killing him during the battle.

I dont think BB wants Anything to do with this war. This war is his opportune moment. Right now BB is the luckiest man in the OP world, its like God is opening a hundred doors for him.
He's not dumb enough to re-join the shichibukai in battle when the Marines already suspect him of treachery, that's asking to be captured.

BB Will whoop shiryuu's arse while his crew goes down to level 6 to recruit some bad asses.

Now we know what Oda meant when he said he wants to wrap this arc up by the end of the year.

Caladan
May 13, 2009, 01:11 PM
that would still be recruitint because you'd assume he was getting that person out to join his crew.



I dont think BB wants Anything to do with this war. This war is his opportune moment. Right now BB is the luckiest man in the OP world, its like God is opening a hundred doors for him.
He's not dumb enough to re-join the shichibukai in battle when the Marines already suspect him of treachery, that's asking to be captured.

BB Will whoop shiryuu's arse while his crew goes down to level 6 to recruit some bad asses.

Now we know what Oda meant when he said he wants to wrap this arc up by the end of the year.

If BB will whoop Shiryuu's arse, what is the point of introducing this guy?

BlackHair
May 13, 2009, 01:18 PM
Yea', I also believe there is more to Shiyro. He was introduced as a ruthless guy, would be perfect as a pirate. How the hell did he end up working for government anyway?!

Akainu
May 13, 2009, 01:19 PM
:wtf

This feels so weird ... to know that we will see something so huge as this fight ... I had the feeling a long time ago, but you know... since they left W7 in the direction of Florian Triangle they are running into one Shichibukai after the other, even the connection to Don Flamingo is there with the human shop ... the only one missing so far should be Mihawk. So is this the Shichibukai Saga?

The point I think is, that the Shichibukai may not be there any longer after the fight which balances pretty good with whitebeards fall - imo

goldb
May 13, 2009, 01:21 PM
I dont think BB wants Anything to do with this war. This war is his opportune moment. Right now BB is the luckiest man in the OP world, its like God is opening a hundred doors for him.
He's not dumb enough to re-join the shichibukai in battle when the Marines already suspect him of treachery, that's asking to be captured.

BB Will whoop shiryuu's arse while his crew goes down to level 6 to recruit some bad asses.

Now we know what Oda meant when he said he wants to wrap this arc up by the end of the year.

This arc is bordelining Awesome and Epic!!!! Goda is really the best.
BB is very smart how he managed to fool the whole WG into thinking he was on their side; though I guess some of the higher ups only took him on cos he defeated Ace, though they should still have known better. I really still can't believe he's in ID, Is Goda gonna make him meet Luffy? since know Luffy knows that it was him that defeated Ace?

those guards who handed Shiryuu his sword are dumbasses; the first thing he did was slash them up:p

I really do hope that we ain't got more than 10 chapters MAX at ID, then off to the war we go...really crossing my fingers for more awesomeness next chapter.....who am i kidding??? OP defines awesomeness!!!!

Razh
May 13, 2009, 01:31 PM
If BB will whoop Shiryuu's arse, what is the point of introducing this guy?

Exactly what I said a few pages back. That would mean that he was introduced only to show Blackbeard's strength.

And I really really doubt that Blackbeard who is bragging with his planning would go to level 6 and free a bunch of prisoners and see if anyone wants to join him.
Blackbeard seems to pick specific people who share his own views on life for his crew. He's more like Luffy on that matter. So I really doubt that he would go to ID to try his luck with strong pirates who were captains themselves or to recruit some lame foot soldiers. That wouldn't be much of a plan. It relies too much on chance.
And Shiryuu has no reason at all to obey Magellan and actually fight Blackbeard. He's on death row and Magellan didn't offer him any pardon. He started killing the guards the moment he got his sword.
He probably has no intention of fighting Blackbeard unless he gets in his way. And Blackbeard on the other hand is his way out of ID.
I don't know if Blackbeard actually came for someone specific, but I'm pretty sure that Shiryuu will become his next crew member.

cachaco99
May 13, 2009, 01:36 PM
ever since the water 7 arc major figures have either been seen, talked about or explained.

garp
all the shichibukai
roger and rayleigh
kaidou
vegapunk
admirals
and a bunch that i may be missing

but its like DAMN - maybe oda is trying to show everyone before we get into the new world - DAMN i just had a thought - oda IS showing everyone. there is gonna be a MASSIVE war. whitebeard, yonkou, shichibukai, admirals, everyone is at least gonna be shown before the strawhats get into the new world. my thinking is that we've seen the rivals (11 supernovas) they are obviously gonna be going to the new world. now i'm not saying anything about the past sucking but maybe oda wants to get some or all of the major figures out in the open so that he can focus on the "new generation" (law, kid, basil, drake and etc) again its hard to predict oda and like i said 90% of us are usually wrong. but thats my thinking - ive been noticing that alot of major figures have been coming up lately.

i still stand by my blackbeard theory - alot if not all level 6 prisoners wanna kill whitebeard so maybe he will let them join his crew cuz luffy and company didnt release them from their prisons so maybe is gonna be blackbeard that does it - really like that theory. and the shiryuu joining the blackbeard pirates sounds EPIC. i like that also

Caladan
May 13, 2009, 01:38 PM
i don't think so. If that were the case, we would have seen shiryuu fight before. All we have now is what magellan says about him. That should not be enough to tell anything about the strenght of BB.



And Shiryuu has no reason at all to obey Magellan and actually fight Blackbeard. He's on death row and Magellan didn't offer him any pardon. He started killing the guards the moment he got his sword.


Exactly as i was saying some posts back :)

DutchPhoenix
May 13, 2009, 01:40 PM
u guys forget one thing... u cant predict oda..
so even if all predict bb next crewmember.. it wont happen coz u cant predict oda

Razh
May 13, 2009, 01:48 PM
i still stand by my blackbeard theory - alot if not all level 6 prisoners wanna kill whitebeard so maybe he will let them join his crew cuz luffy and company didnt release them from their prisons so maybe is gonna be blackbeard that does it - really like that theory. and the shiryuu joining the blackbeard pirates sounds EPIC. i like that also

A lot of those level 6-ers are a famous pirate captains themselves and would have probably refused if some newb came and offered them a low rank in his crew. Blackbeard is still pretty much unknown.

And Blackbeard has no intention directly fighting in this war at the moment. He has a crew of 5 people for god sakes. Why would he risk losing everything after he sacrificed so much years in Whitebeard's crew?
No, he's going to be more careful and will probably want to avoid being in the center of this conflict.
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u guys forget one thing... u cant predict oda..
so even if all predict bb next crewmember.. it wont happen coz u cant predict oda

Who gives a shit? Are you saying we should just stop, cause Oda is hard to predict?
FYI it has been done before, so your argument doesn't stand.

Heck, I myself predicted that Doflamingo is the head of slave trade on Shabondy. I would give other examples as there are quite a few, but I can only be sure of mine.

Lord Rayleigh
May 13, 2009, 01:54 PM
Right on the mark! Could it be that my brain power is on par with Oda's?

Not likely lol

But I called it.

Congratulations. You predicted a theory !



I don't know if Blackbeard actually came for someone specific, but I'm pretty sure that Shiryuu will become his next crew member.
BB came for sure for specific things. But I do not think he knew about Shiryuu being sentenced definitely. It is a secret thing. So, he must have come for something else.
Nevertheless, if Shiryuu becomes a new nakama of BB (as someone predicted when we see for the first time a flashback of him), BB will have done others things in ID : I mean, he did not come for Shiryuu.

Sharingan warrior
May 13, 2009, 01:56 PM
i just remembered that the loss of bb while big is not the end for the wg as they still have the pacifista and they were quite difficult to take out for all of the supernovae and even luffy and his crew altogether got pushed to their limit by one of them and who knows how many the government has. So i dont think the wg will be stressing too much about the loss of bb,the marines might be more troubled because they now are aware of his poower and his betrayal is what has them on edge rather than the loss of his power.

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 01:58 PM
DUM DUM DUM, PLOT TWIST!!!!

What if BB is there for Shiryuu?
OMG! head exploded!!!
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Congratulations. You predicted a theory !

that may be sarcasm but thanks anyway lol
How many times are we actually right when trying to predict oda?

k-dom
May 13, 2009, 02:03 PM
Hehe, it would be interesting to see all non spoiler believer face when they saw the pic with Blackbeard entire crew. Well I was a little shock myself too :-).

Concerning Shiryuu it's seems most of his victims are goalers, aren't they ? Like some said the fight against Blackbeard may be very short.

once again we were not able to see Hannybal fighting ability. I'm almost disapointed

And maybe Whitebeard will not be the one to die in this battle, but rather a Sengoku commiting seppuku

Akainu
May 13, 2009, 02:04 PM
How many times are we actually right when trying to predict oda?
Few. Most are lucky guesses and the rest is people who predict like every single outcome possible and get one right (by luck again) since well... with Oda you never know. I'd have guessed it would be 'just' the normal fights in ID but now this is going to be huge.

And BB not being there obviously is a problem for the Marines. the pacifista ain't ready for a use against yonkou, and the remaining shichibukai are not the most loyal to put it like that. Over all Whiteberads chance of survival just went up and so did Aces... ID leaves me clueless though - too many possibilities / fronts / fights

Lord Rayleigh
May 13, 2009, 02:05 PM
that may be sarcasm but thanks anyway lol
It was just a remark I wanted to tell you. But do not see it as an offence. :p

Rotten The Wizard
May 13, 2009, 02:09 PM
Hehe, it would be interesting to see all non spoiler believer face when they saw the pic with Blackbeard entire crew. Well I was a little shock myself too :-).

Concerning Shiryuu it's seems most of his victims are goalers, aren't they ? Like some said the fight against Blackbeard may be very short.

once again we were not able to see Hannybal fighting ability. I'm almost disapointed

And maybe Whitebeard will not be the one to die in this battle, but rather a Sengoku commiting seppuku

That's a possiblity lol If he does then you can't blame him, how can one man handle so much pressure/stress is beyond me


Few. Most are lucky guesses and the rest is people who predict like every single outcome possible and get one right (by luck again) since well... with Oda you never know. I'd have guessed it would be 'just' the normal fights in ID but now this is going to be huge.

And BB not being there obviously is a problem for the Marines. the pacifista ain't ready for a use against yonkou, and the remaining shichibukai are not the most loyal to put it like that. Over all Whiteberads chance of survival just went up and so did Aces... ID leaves me clueless though - too many possibilities / fronts / fights

Yea I bet when the WG devised this plan they didnt count on 3 of the shichibukai Deffecting. This war was supposed to be The Royal Shichibukai VS The WB Pirates, Now I just dont see any way they can win. The admirals will have to step in as well.

Not to mention the iminent Dragon Threat.
There are only 2 possible outcomes for this war
1. The Marines and WG get completely Decimated
2. The WG have Pluton and that's their trump card.

Remember Robin knows the Location of Pluton. A huge plot twist can come from that little fact

Razh
May 13, 2009, 02:19 PM
BB came for sure for specific things. But I do not think he knew about Shiryuu being sentenced definitely. It is a secret thing. So, he must have come for something else.
Nevertheless, if Shiryuu becomes a new nakama of BB (as someone predicted when we see for the first time a flashback of him), BB will have done others things in ID : I mean, he did not come for Shiryuu.

We can't know for sure. For all we know, Blackbeard and Shiryuu could be old buddies.
Anyway, I already said everything I meant in previous posts and it's tiresome to write the same stuff on every page. People would do good to read at least one or two last pages before offering a "new view on things".

thunderwonder
May 13, 2009, 02:27 PM
but why come at a time like this when firstly, war with WB is gonna start and even if he is not interested in war it definitely puts his shichibukai ststus at risk and secondly, he knows well that security at ID is gonna be extremely tight due to ace being imprisoned there. He could have recruited shryuu anytime but this.

Organizized
May 13, 2009, 02:28 PM
What shocked me the most about the spoiler pics isn't seeing Blackbeard, it's that Lafitte has friggin angel wings. What the hell is up with that? I don't know whether to love it or hate it. In any case, I guess that explains how he got onto that balcony at the Shichibukai meeting.

I really like Shiryuu, he looks pretty damn badass. It's cool that a big guy like that uses a katana. His stance is a bit like Zoro's even, but he is probably a lot stronger than any of the Straw Hats.

d3death
May 13, 2009, 02:29 PM
The chapter name is:

Another Event To Soon Be Told

guess will edit it into my post in spoiler pics thread too..

k-dom
May 13, 2009, 03:09 PM
So Ace is already in Marineford, I guess we must count on someone else than luffy to save him now

Sharingan warrior
May 13, 2009, 03:30 PM
wait a minute when ace and bb fought the manga said that that would be the trigger to the great event.Now the great event seems obviously the war but maybe its something else maybe the great event will be taking place now and bb is the catalyst and the great event isnt the war but something in impel down which bb is to get ahold of or something which be caused by something or someone bb frees.it may be far fetched but it wudnt surprise me if that turns out to be the case.im just trying to think outside the box cuz as is said by everyone oda isnt predictable,what u see isnt actually what u get.

ofir271
May 13, 2009, 03:35 PM
I thought about him completely abandoning his post in the middle of this battle and acquiring some battleships cause lets be honest, that raft of his isnt exactly pirate king material
I think he'll actually recruit some bastards from the inevitable ID jailbreak

But I called it.

nice one

i cant belive how many major players are on stage atm. and thats before WB even showed not to mantion the missing crew warlords ,huge flleets,missing prisonres,dragon...its huge and going to get bigger.

at first a thought BB was just to much but now i think its legendery.

jinbei earn some points too, 10 times stronger then that karate fish+his ability in water.i wont be surprised if luffy take him as a new pet.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 03:38 PM
wait a minute when ace and bb fought the manga said that that would be the trigger to the great event.Now the great event seems obviously the war but maybe its something else maybe the great event will be taking place now and bb is the catalyst and the great event isnt the war but something in impel down which bb is to get ahold of or something which be caused by something or someone bb frees.it may be far fetched but it wudnt surprise me if that turns out to be the case.im just trying to think outside the box cuz as is said by everyone oda isnt predictable,what u see isnt actually what u get.

So this war isn't that big of an event for you?
It clearly said that the fight is going to trigger a big event. Blackbeard handed Ace to WG, they decided to execute him as an example, Whitebeard got pissed and basically declared war. That's the event.

beastboy
May 13, 2009, 03:41 PM
they sayed that it will be said soon so we will have a "break of Impel Down" nnext chapter so it will change the scene for the WAR, for shanks and kaidou, or for the SH...

Pad
May 13, 2009, 03:46 PM
Regarding Laffite's wings, I don't think it's a zoan neither a wing-wing no mi, something more like Robin's Wing Fleur. He have some ability and use it in a way to create wings, go figure what it's made of.

cachaco99
May 13, 2009, 03:48 PM
A lot of those level 6-ers are a famous pirate captains themselves and would have probably refused if some newb came and offered them a low rank in his crew. Blackbeard is still pretty much unknown.

And Blackbeard has no intention directly fighting in this war at the moment. He has a crew of 5 people for god sakes. Why would he risk losing everything after he sacrificed so much years in Whitebeard's crew?
No, he's going to be more careful and will probably want to avoid being in the center of this conflict.
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Who gives a shit? Are you saying we should just stop, cause Oda is hard to predict?
FYI it has been done before, so your argument doesn't stand.

Heck, I myself predicted that Doflamingo is the head of slave trade on Shabondy. I would give other examples as there are quite a few, but I can only be sure of mine.

i predicted the doflamingo thing also - its the only one i got right lol

and youre kinda right about the level-6ers i was just thinking cuz buggy got those other pirates to call him buggy-sama or something like that.

but one thing is for sure - even if they dont listen to blackbeard they will still want out and chances are blackbeard could want a little favor in return and thats how he gets them to listen (assuming this all happens) or hell he could just beat the crap out of them and rule by fear.

i'm its not impossible - just look at law. jean bart joined so he wouldnt have to be a slave even though he was a captain before. could be the same for level 6 - they join just for the freedom of being out. and maybe the level 6 chick will be like blackbeards women or something lol

k-dom
May 13, 2009, 03:48 PM
I wonder if Lafitte is able to carry Blackbeard while flying. If he can, a crazy theory how Blackbeard reached Impel down unnoticed could be that he blackholed his crew, flew with Laffitte and release them in Impel down.

deffkryz
May 13, 2009, 03:55 PM
I wonder if Lafitte is able to carry Blackbeard while flying. If he can, a crazy theory how Blackbeard reached Impel down unnoticed could be that he blackholed his crew, flew with Laffitte and release them in Impel down.

I don't really like the idea making a second Capone Bege out of BB...

d3death
May 13, 2009, 03:55 PM
BB might be in ID to release a lot of silver medalists.. They will surely try taking down whitebeard thus indirectly helping BB..

on a side note.. one translator translated the chap title like "another event which which would be talked about for a long time.."

Kaiser Will
May 13, 2009, 03:58 PM
I don't know how Oda manage to make a better chapter than last time but here it's, he really make a HUGE twist in the story. Man he is a freakin' genius.
But the thing that I wanna know is: who is(are) the prisoner(s) that Blackbeard going to release? Maybe one of the greatest pirates that Ivankov mentioned about. We are aware that he planned to betray the WG anytime, but his goal now is unknown, and what consequenses this acts will have in the war.
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d3death I think the same thing too, the silver medalists to join him against WB in this war, since the one thing that is blocking him to be the pirate king is WB.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 04:16 PM
I wonder if Lafitte is able to carry Blackbeard while flying. If he can, a crazy theory how Blackbeard reached Impel down unnoticed could be that he blackholed his crew, flew with Laffitte and release them in Impel down.

Well, I really doubt that seeing how those prisoners looked when they came out. Those houses before too.

Caladan
May 13, 2009, 04:32 PM
Agree, the only one i can think of surviving that, might be luffy.
He is rubber and as we have seen with Moria, when he hit him in the black box, luffy will just bounce back with pressure.

Razh
May 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
It's probably just a question whether the darkness absorbs his powers once he is in contact with it.

Lee-tyme7
May 13, 2009, 05:15 PM
This feels so weird ... to know that we will see something so huge as this fight ... I had the feeling a long time ago, but you know... since they left W7 in the direction of Florian Triangle they are running into one Shichibukai after the other, even the connection to Don Flamingo is there with the human shop ... the only one missing so far should be Mihawk. So is this the Shichibukai Saga?


Well, what did you expect? They are in the middle of the Grandline right where the WG and the Marine HQ is located. Before the Strawhats started out from east blue, nobody is in east blue. It's just sheer luck and fate that Luffy and Zoro happens to run into Mihawk first. Now they are caught up where the big boys are and it's no wonder they keep running into Shichibukai after Shichibukai. I don't think it's a Shichibukai saga it's still Impel Down saga but I think it's just that when they first mention the word "shichibukai" the first time, it took forever for Oda to show their apperance. I think Oda just wants to show everyone once and for all before we move ahead to the New World.

Finale
May 13, 2009, 05:39 PM
I can see BB defeating Shiryu and seeing how powerful he is then offering him a spot in his crew. Join a pirate and fight to your hearts content or stay and rot in ID? Let's not forget that BB offered Ace a chance to join his crew. As many other posters have said BB still needs more powerful nakama to survive the new world. He told his whole crew that they weren't a match for Ace, just one of WB's officers, how do you think he would fare against the other Yonkou who likely have Shichi level officers in their crew?

Also by adding Shiryu, Zoro gets a swordsman to fight in BB's crew.

Yans86
May 13, 2009, 05:39 PM
The chapter is awesome and ODA IS FUCKING GENIOUS!
Anyway I'm little disappointed on this........with this situation and all this characters involved,luffy will grow to a level thx to this experience that none of the others strawhat(Sanji and ZOro overall) will have......
Really looking forward for his project on them :-D

dtyk
May 13, 2009, 07:04 PM
Epic Chapter!

But then and again, the level 6 legends and shiryuu joining blackbeard seems questionable. They may be too prideful to join, for one (with the exception of Jean Bart joining Law)

(Btw, I'm new, Hi everyone)

Andonan
May 13, 2009, 07:32 PM
I'm sorry but seriously i think i have forever given up on predicting Oda, I mean i don't know whether he thinks of this shit years, months or just weeks in advance but theman is a fucking GENIOUS who cannot be predicted, and seriously people who go on about how they predicted the slave trade mark and shit are just kidding themselves because they are just predicting small insignificant thinks in terms of plot direction.....i think forever on I'm never going to presume oda is going to do anything, I think myself and probably 90% of other ppl on these forums thought Bb would kill WB in this fight but NOPE!!!! I think we need to get a thread going of all the obvious predictions for OP's future, write them down and then write at the end...NONE OF THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN....lol I'll start first Luffy becomes the PK LOL!!!!

Onomatopoeia
May 13, 2009, 07:54 PM
Shiryuu and Magellan were interesting this chapter. Magellan should know about whats going on a level or two below him so I"m surprised that he's going down their by himself. Whatever the case Shiryuu taking on BB puts him way high in my book. I can't wait for the fight between the two. I guess it makes sense though Shiryuu basiclly took down most of the people on lvl 4, a lot of them were probablly at Mr. 1 level.

I can't decide all I know is that those two pages with those two talking to each other was both hilarious and awesome.

Also BB coming to the scene in typical form. I still can't decide what he's planning. But he seems to believe that he's still on the same side as the marines. What a rude wake up call he's going to get.

Whatever the case I know BB isn't following orders like the loose cannonball he is.

Still excellent twist Oda came out of the field that is left of left field.

HiAndromon
May 13, 2009, 10:53 PM
I thought A bunch of those Pirates would be released by Luffy, but It looks like Black Beard might do that.If most of the prisoners escape Impel down the strongest will make the weaker prisoners their subordinates and well have countless more crews venturing into the new world, this means they'll fight each other leaving the strongest to fight the main characters.And I know Black Beard will pick a few New Crew Members, He'll have to have at least as many crew members as The Straw Hats.

Leonsagara
May 13, 2009, 11:51 PM
I agree. Blackbeard needs to match the number of Strawhat crew members. It was pretty obvious that his crew was meant to be a mirror of Luffy's crew when they first appeared.

chitgoks
May 13, 2009, 11:57 PM
wow, if jinbei is able to get out of impel down, luffy's team can let him handle dismantling all ships there since he rules the waters
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Well, I really doubt that seeing how those prisoners looked when they came out. Those houses before too.

i doubt lafitte can fly long distances...

Konoha Hurricane
May 14, 2009, 12:40 AM
Holy crap!!

Shiryuu vs BlackBeard?!

This is very interesting. I wonder just what in the heck BlackBeard is doing at Impel Down. Why do I get the feeling that he is being sent to kill other members of the ShichiBukai? I think he might be there to potentially kill both Jimbei and Crocodile. Or he may there specifically to deal with Crocodile. It would be even better if Luffy got a shot at him right now, but I don't see it happening just yet. Perhaps it will end up happening at Marine HQ though. The StrawHat crew is definitely going to show up at Impel Down now.

k-dom
May 14, 2009, 12:57 AM
Blackbeard may be lucky to fight against Shiryuu. Indeed I wonder what he would have made against Magellan. Long range attacks are the most effective against Blackbeard and Magellan poison could be a real threat against him

ascalon
May 14, 2009, 01:01 AM
With the way Shiryuu is chopping down the guards, I have no doubt that he may join Blackbeard's crew. Wow, what an unpredictable chapter, AGAIN!

fastfonz
May 14, 2009, 01:13 AM
Blackbeard may be lucky to fight against Shiryuu. Indeed I wonder what he would have made against Magellan. Long range attacks are the most effective against Blackbeard and Magellan poison could be a real threat against him

I dont know. if the power of fire cant kill BB, the poison probably wouldnt do shit.. he would complain it hurts, but so far, aside from Haki or falling into the sea, I dont a way to get BB.

ernabc
May 14, 2009, 01:33 AM
if thsi is true then my hunch is blackbeard is extremely cunning. And everyone is really underestimating him. He probably wants both, WB and the WG to fall from this fight.


Yap.... maybe he wants to be an emperor too . To have a highly fighting ability crew from the 4-6 levels ID . He wants one piece for him and he can't make it beeing the Marine guy .

All pictures are out....

Dofla
May 14, 2009, 02:22 AM
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Lemonadez
May 14, 2009, 02:35 AM
I dont know. if the power of fire cant kill BB, the poison probably wouldnt do shit.. he would complain it hurts, but so far, aside from Haki or falling into the sea, I dont a way to get BB.

LOL, It doesnt mean anything. Its like Enel Lightning Strike billion bolts hit Nami or strew hat crew and none of them died.

Poison would kill BB. Remember BB isn't like those logia user who's can turn into full element and recover his body from the element. Like Ace/Enel/Aokiji and those other Logia user.

BB power is just like normal fruit user, he still received damage from physical to magic attack. Like he said when he fought Ace. His power is just darkness (drain fruit ability, if you step on the black darkness or get touch by BB)...

If you fight Luffy vs BB. Luffy would won that much. Draining Fruit ability doesnt mean it drain your strength. Luffy is way physically stronger and faster than Blackbeard. I dont see how BB would be able to touch Luffy when he fought ace he wasn't even that fast to dodge ace attack.

Luffy doesnt even know how to use his King Haki which is said that it can read opponent move by using Haki.

Akainu
May 14, 2009, 02:48 AM
Lafitte really seems to have wings instead of arms (that also explains how he could enter the shichibukai meeting for croc's replacement), which leads me to believe it's a) a DF and not wings like the skypeans have and b) a zoan type since it replaces his arms and does not form additional wings like Robin for example

Also did you see the panel with Saldeath? He's playing his staff like a transverse flute which reminds me of the pied piper of hamelin ... just that in his case it's blue gorillas and not rats?!:tem

zenkokuku
May 14, 2009, 02:48 AM
LOL, It doesnt mean anything. Its like Enel Lightning Strike billion bolts hit Nami or strew hat crew and none of them died.

Poison would kill BB. Remember BB isn't like those logia user who's can turn into full element and recover his body from the element. Like Ace/Enel/Aokiji and those other Logia user.

BB power is just like normal fruit user, he still received damage from physical to magic attack. Like he said when he fought Ace. His power is just darkness (drain fruit ability, if you step on the black darkness or get touch by BB)...

If you fight Luffy vs BB. Luffy would won that much. Draining Fruit ability doesnt mean it drain your strength. Luffy is way physically stronger and faster than Blackbeard. I dont see how BB would be able to touch Luffy when he fought ace he wasn't even that fast to dodge ace attack.

Luffy doesnt even know how to use his King Haki which is said that it can read opponent move by using Haki.

Magellan’s power to “touch poison” is useless against Blackbeard since as soon as he touches him his poison fruit’s power will be all gone and Blackbeard would definitely win the fight physically, and if Blackbeard had Haki then the match will be over pretty quickly.

I don’t think Luffy is stronger than Blackbeard and would definitely lose a physical fight. He scarred Shanks’ eye before having the fruit. Since Shanks said it wasn’t a cheap shot or anything then it must’ve been done physically. To be able to damage Shanks like that (who fought equally with Mihawk in duels) is definitely no small deal.

braindamage351
May 14, 2009, 03:11 AM
I like how everyone glosses over the part where Blackbeard can suck up anything, including guns, swords, fire, and lightning. Long-range attacks are completely useless against him unless you catch him off-guard (in which case they're just basically useless). And he can probably suck the poison out of his body. He can certainly suck up attacks like hydra and poison breath, as well as shut down the poison fruit in order to lay the smack down on Magellan. The biggest threat to Blackbeard right now is a pure close-range martial artist who relies on brute force and not agility or skill (IE, end-of-series Luffy without his devil fruit).

I seriously have no idea why people keep expecting Blackbeard to have such glaring weaknesses. The only reason Ace landed some attacks on him was because Ace is hardcore.

Rotten The Wizard
May 14, 2009, 03:27 AM
Latiffe has a Paramecia not a zone.

I still think Shiryuu will join BB.

When he was first introduced everyone was like "OHHH where's Zoro?! this guy has to fight Zoro!". We know Oda doesnt waste characters. SHiryuu was hyped up and now he's put in a delicate situation.

Any rational man would rather join Pirates than face death Row

Lemonadez
May 14, 2009, 03:28 AM
Magellan’s power to “touch poison” is useless against Blackbeard since as soon as he touches him his poison fruit’s power will be all gone and Blackbeard would definitely win the fight physically, and if Blackbeard had Haki then the match will be over pretty quickly.

I don’t think Luffy is stronger than Blackbeard and would definitely lose a physical fight. He scarred Shanks’ eye before having the fruit. Since Shanks said it wasn’t a cheap shot or anything then it must’ve been done physically. To be able to damage Shanks like that (who fought equally with Mihawk in duels) is definitely no small deal.

You dont get it do you?. Go back and see Ace vs Blackbeard. You can still see there that Ace was touch and he able to hit BB with his fire attack. BB ability does not completely drain the fruit user ability instantly.

Luffy is stronger than Blackbeard. If someone like Ace would able to harm BB. in Data book it said that Luffy is PHYSICALLY STRONGER than Ace. Just because BB made a scar on SHanks eye doesn't mean his way stronger than Luffy.

Did you even saw it on manga where Shanks lost his arm against 1 Sea King?. Didn't you see where Luffy goes sail with the crew.. the Sea King monster are just being tossed/punch by him so easily?

So In Other words. Shanks wasn't that strong back then. Shanks even knew blackbeard before he join Whitebeard crew. Otherwise Shanks wont mention anything about blackbeard power and BlackBeard hide himself for a long time under of whitebeard crew.

It only said there that Mihawk rivals is Shanks in swordsmanship (PAST). After loosing Shanks arm and still come back and rise up to be one of the Yonkou, Mihawk fear Shanks. We saw how Shanks strong even taking a par in strength of whitebeard splitting heaven by blocking each other attack.... just look at whitebeard strength. The World Government need all the strongest NAVY + All Shichibukai to fight whitebeard.

Garp mentioned that Whitebeard is the Ruler of the SEA..

Shanks right now is stronger than Mihawk or Blackbeard. Garp said that Shanks stand high as whitebeard level. Shanks rule half of the Grand Line and none of all Shichibukai is stronger than Shanks.

If 1 Yonkou (whitebeard) needed all Strongest Marine forces + Shichibukai just to take down 1 yonkou. Its Insane how Shanks strength can be destructive.

If these Yonkou were not that strong, they wont be able to rule the grand line :P as they speak not even world government or shichibukai rule over grand line :P

Razh
May 14, 2009, 03:36 AM
I like how everyone glosses over the part where Blackbeard can suck up anything, including guns, swords, fire, and lightning. Long-range attacks are completely useless against him unless you catch him off-guard (in which case they're just basically useless). And he can probably suck the poison out of his body. He can certainly suck up attacks like hydra and poison breath, as well as shut down the poison fruit in order to lay the smack down on Magellan. The biggest threat to Blackbeard right now is a pure close-range martial artist who relies on brute force and not agility or skill (IE, end-of-series Luffy without his devil fruit).

I seriously have no idea why people keep expecting Blackbeard to have such glaring weaknesses. The only reason Ace landed some attacks on him was because Ace is hardcore.

He can't suck the poison out of his own body. Black holes aren't selective in what they eat. And saying that he can just suck in hydra or poison fog is simplifying things because battles in One Piece aren't thought of by a stoned retard. There's no guarantee that Blackbeard will manage to suck in the poison attack each time. He certainly had trouble sucking in the fire before it hit him.

And Blackbeard is a strong pirate, not a god, and we've seen how easily surprised he is. Ace did it 3 times. It's not because Ace is so fucking strong, but because Blackbeard couldn't react fast enough to dodge.

Lemonadez
May 14, 2009, 03:41 AM
I like how everyone glosses over the part where Blackbeard can suck up anything, including guns, swords, fire, and lightning. Long-range attacks are completely useless against him unless you catch him off-guard (in which case they're just basically useless). And he can probably suck the poison out of his body. He can certainly suck up attacks like hydra and poison breath, as well as shut down the poison fruit in order to lay the smack down on Magellan. The biggest threat to Blackbeard right now is a pure close-range martial artist who relies on brute force and not agility or skill (IE, end-of-series Luffy without his devil fruit).

I seriously have no idea why people keep expecting Blackbeard to have such glaring weaknesses. The only reason Ace landed some attacks on him was because Ace is hardcore.

Go read what it said, he still take the damage if he suck anything. Because his darkness what ever damage his darkness still damage him because it suck up all the attack. YOU cant shutdown the poison. Because blackbeard cannot turn into complete Logia, he still received the effect of damage. go look at ace he burn blackbeard even if he sucking his fire attack with darkness. Like WHAT Blackbeard said.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/440/18-19/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/06-07/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/

SEE learn to read. what Blackbeard said, His different from Logia user, he said he CANT just pass those punches/lightning/fire/blades/bullet like other LOGIA user, HE TAKE these damage just like NORMAL HUMAN!. That is the RISK of his power, but what give him is advantage that drain the ability of fruit user.

Akainu
May 14, 2009, 03:45 AM
Latiffe has a Paramecia not a zone.
Prove it :p



I still think Shiryuu will join BB.

When he was first introduced everyone was like "OHHH where's Zoro?! this guy has to fight Zoro!". We know Oda doesnt waste characters. SHiryuu was hyped up and now he's put in a delicate situation.

Any rational man would rather join Pirates than face death Row
I also think he will join BB, though the situation is strangley similar to Zoro being on death row, rescued by Luffy and turned from pirate-hunter to pirate because swordsmanship is the most important to him.
On this same note I think there might be something that is more important to Shiryuu, something like "as long as I'm able to slice up the scum on the seas I'll join you"

goldb
May 14, 2009, 03:45 AM
You dont get it do you?. Go back and see Ace vs Blackbeard. You can still see there that Ace was touch and he able to hit BB with his fire attack. BB ability does not completely drain the fruit user ability instantly.

According to Blackbeard (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Marshall_D._Teach), this fruit is "unique", even for a Logia type. It allows the user to transform into and control darkness. The darkness is a void that devours everything and crushes them, therefore allowing Teach to effectively manipulate gravity as well.
The user can absorb physical matter and attacks of any type, either by sucking it into a dark mist which spreads from the user, or into the user's body itself, and then crush them with gravity forces (similar to a black hole) or regurgitate everything back out. The user can use this ability to irresistibly draw the opponent to them. The most unique and powerful strength the fruit has is that the user also has the unique ability to nullify the powers of other Devil Fruit users by simply touching them and "sucking" their abilities out. All powers from other Devil Fruit (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Fruit) types from Paramecia (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Paramecia), Logia (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia), and Zoan (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Zoan) are affected by this.
The major weakness of this particular fruit, however, is that the darkness the user transforms into swallows up everything, including attacks. So unlike most Logia (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia) users, the user of the fruit is still vulnerable to attacks as they cannot turn into darkness in order to dodge them. If they fail to absorb the enemy's attack in time, the user can be hurt like any other normal human being or even more, as stated by Teach. In addition, while the ability to nullify Devil Fruit abilities is powerful, the user must actually touch and remain in contact with the victim for the affects to remain constant, meaning that if the victim separates from Blackbeard, they quickly regain their Devil Fruit ability. Although, due to the fact that the user can control gravity, it can be difficult to avoid contact. Other than that, the user is also affected by the standard Devil Fruit (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Devil_Fruit) weaknesses.



Luffy is stronger than Blackbeard. If someone like Ace would able to harm BB. in Data book it said that Luffy is PHYSICALLY STRONGER than Ace. Just because BB made a scar on SHanks eye doesn't mean his way stronger than Luffy.
You can't say something that monumental without proof, find the source then come back. We all know that Luffy was never capable (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-159/page008.html) of defeating Ace even when he had his DF and Ace didn't.


Did you even saw it on manga where Shanks lost his arm against 1 Sea King?. Didn't you see where Luffy goes sail with the crew.. the Sea King monster are just being tossed/punch by him so easily?

Who told you that Shanks couldn't defeat the monster?? He didn't have time to do anything else, by the time he got to the sea he had to save Luffy from being eaten (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-001/page040.html).
Then he scared the monster away with his Haki (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-001/page041.html), so what are you trying to say then? that Shanks couldn't defeat the monster, look at the situation again and you'll see that he had limited options from when he got to sea or maybe Oda didn't wanna us to see him fight yet, either way you can't compare him to Luffy.


So In Other words. Shanks wasn't that strong back then. Shanks even knew blackbeard before he join Whitebeard crew. Otherwise Shanks wont mention anything about blackbeard power and BlackBeard hide himself for a long time under of whitebeard crew.

It only said there that Mihawk rivals is Shanks in swordsmanship (PAST). After loosing Shanks arm and still come back and rise up to be one of the Yonkou, Mihawk fear Shanks. We saw how Shanks strong even taking a par in strength of whitebeard splitting heaven by blocking each other attack.... just look at whitebeard strength. The World Government need all the strongest NAVY + All Shichibukai to fight whitebeard.

Garp mentioned that Whitebeard is the Ruler of the SEA..

Shanks right now is stronger than Mihawk or Blackbeard. Garp said that Shanks stand high as whitebeard level. Shanks rule half of the Grand Line and none of all Shichibukai is stronger than Shanks.

If 1 Yonkou (whitebeard) needed all Strongest Marine forces + Shichibukai just to take down 1 yonkou. Its Insane how Shanks strength can be destructive.

If these Yonkou were not that strong, they wont be able to rule the grand line :P as they speak not even world government or shichibukai rule over grand line :P

Look until we see Mihawk, Shanks fight, we can't say who's stronger, all we can do is guess.
Yes the younkou are powerful, we know that cos it's been stated (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-432/page007.html) by Garp. But we know that WB has 16 divisions of 1600 men under his control, we don't know how powerful each division is but we've seen Ace fight and he's 2nd division captain so we can safely say pretty strong, my guess is that the WG aren't taking anything for granted and want to assure victory that's why they gathered every major force they have and plus they don't know where WB is going to attack so the Shichibukai will stand at Mariejoa and the Marines at HQ.

This is going waaay off topic and I would continue to answer everything but it's too long, so can we take this to the convo or something.

ernabc
May 14, 2009, 03:49 AM
"SEE learn to read. what Blackbeard said, His different from Logia user, he said he CANT just pass those punches/lightning/fire/blades/bullet like other LOGIA user, HE TAKE these damage just like NORMAL HUMAN!. That is the RISK of his power, but what give him is advantage that drain the ability of fruit user."

That means Zoro can defeat him easily?

Is Shanks now a devil fruit user ?

dragonballz66
May 14, 2009, 03:51 AM
Where's the translation to the spoiler script? Really great chapter, I really can't wait for what's going to happen in next chapter.

Razh
May 14, 2009, 03:57 AM
I also think he will join BB, though the situation is strangley similar to Zoro being on death row, rescued by Luffy and turned from pirate-hunter to pirate because swordsmanship is the most important to him.
On this same note I think there might be something that is more important to Shiryuu, something like "as long as I'm able to slice up the scum on the seas I'll join you"

I thought about that too. Former pirate hunter and former gaoler. Hard to miss the parallel.

And maybe Shiryuu was just acting like others from Blackbeard's crew. Went off to fight with some prisoners. If they die, than it was because they were trash, not worthy of living on. Kind of a forceful appliance of destiny.

Lemonadez
May 14, 2009, 03:59 AM
You can't say something that monumental without proof, find the source then come back. We all know that Luffy was never capable of defeating Ace even when he had his DF and Ace didn't.

1.) Luffy cannot defeat ace because of ELEMENT. Please come back again and learn to read what they said about the element in One Piece the opposite effect of element against other element. like how Luffy defeated Enel because his lightning doesnt work on Rubber and Heat does hurt luffy.

2.) That was INFO back then, where they were kids. Obtaining a devil fruit. doesn't make you physically strong right away.. Luffy had to train first.

Dont put wikipedia stuff as they can be edited by people. we take the source right off the manga.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/



"SEE learn to read. what Blackbeard said, His different from Logia user, he said he CANT just pass those punches/lightning/fire/blades/bullet like other LOGIA user, HE TAKE these damage just like NORMAL HUMAN!. That is the RISK of his power, but what give him is advantage that drain the ability of fruit user."

That means Zoro can defeat him easily?

Is Shanks now a devil fruit user ?

We dont know how strong zoro is.. since Blackbeard cant regenerate like others Logia user. someone like Trafaglar Law DF ability can win over Blackbeard. As Blackbeard stated he's body take damage as normal human.

Razh
May 14, 2009, 04:02 AM
We dont know how strong zoro is.. since Blackbeard cant regenerate like others Logia user. someone like Trafaglar Law DF ability can win over Blackbeard. As Blackbeard stated he's body take damage as normal human.

No logia user can regenerate.

Akainu
May 14, 2009, 04:13 AM
Blackbeard even said that he probably takes MORE damage than he would without DF so basically there should be possibilities to win against him.

On another note Shanks did not know Blackbeard before he joined Whitebeards crew. Shanks does know Blackbeard because he was fighting against Whitebeard alongside Roger.

zenkokuku
May 14, 2009, 04:14 AM
No logia user can regenerate.

Isn't regeneration part of Logia users' natural ability? (excluding Blackbeard)

Ace was shot in the head by Van Auger and then his head "regenerated".

Kizaru was blown up and cut by Scratchman Apoo yet he was able to "regenerate" pretty quickly.

luffy_boy
May 14, 2009, 04:26 AM
I really don`t think Shiryuu will join the BB crew:
Because i think In a weird way he is concerned about the state of ID. If you see his reaction he does`nt mind to be in jail.

Razh
May 14, 2009, 04:26 AM
Isn't regeneration part of Logia users' natural ability? (excluding Blackbeard)

Ace was shot in the head by Van Auger and then his head "regenerated".

Kizaru was blown up and cut by Scratchman Apoo yet he was able to "regenerate" pretty quickly.

Ace's head didn't regenerate. Wolverine regenerates. Ace's wound had fire on the edges. Meaning he was ready for an attack and just let the bullets go through. Doesn't mean that he reacted in less than second when Auge fired. Facing more enemies, he had to expect a surprise attack.

The same thing probably happened with Kizaru. Something with the nature of his fruit probably. If you can remember there was no blood spewing from Kizaru's body parts. Also, if he could regenerate, why didn't he do the same with the wound on his cheek that Rayleigh gave him?

Smoker is another example. He has a new scar on his chest, which he didn't have on Alabasta.

No regeneration. That would kinda be an overkill wouldn't it?

goldb
May 14, 2009, 04:29 AM
yeah every Logia expect BB can recompose( would that be the right word??) their bodies if shot, stabbed, whatever. the only way they can be hurt is through their natural weaknesses like Enel with rubber, and Crocodile if his body is dampened.

Razh
May 14, 2009, 04:32 AM
They can recompose, but if they were wounded, that wound won't magically disappear because turning into their element is not a reset button for their bodies.

Sachsenhesse
May 14, 2009, 05:42 AM
wtf just love crocodile on the last panel, the badest badass in the world :)

choke_a_beech
May 14, 2009, 05:44 AM
so you reckon magellan (sp?) has the best chance of taking down BB? if his poison hits, BB's body will take more damage than a normal body from the fatal dosage.

BetaRuler
May 14, 2009, 05:48 AM
Can I make a reminder for this topic for people to actually read what their writing? Almost every message I tried reading had errors in them, seriously, if your going to make these points and arguments against eachother at least make it look like you have some intelligence when you do it.

Also Razh sounds like he's onto something about these fruit, "their element is not a reset button".
Where was it when Croc talked about it with Luffy? How he trained his fruit to it's fullest potential, and he'd always turn to sand if he got hit.
I personally don't think they even need to be hit by Haki or their Elements weakness to take a wound they can't instantly regenerate...
Argh theres so many conflicting stories with each logia taken into account, I don't think we can build many theories that put all logia's laws into 1, I mean you can't put all the paramecia fruits laws together can you (paramecia is the name of the type Luffy is part of, right?)

beastboy
May 14, 2009, 05:56 AM
well the messages have errors cause in ths forum are many people that don't speak English as a major language, and if you don't like I don't care.
BTW this chap will be so cool, and don't you think that next chap. won't be in ID, I mean they said that the event will be showed soon, and Oda wouldn't put a title like this to show what BB is doing next chap, and if we stay in ID without seeing BB is bad cause ID is not that big, and BB is not a master in disguise(I think is bad spelled).

BetaRuler
May 14, 2009, 06:05 AM
I can tell when people arent primary users of english language, in fact the foreign people are often more capable of speaking English than English people are!
Please though, it's frustrating when I'm trying to catch up on discussion and the messages are really long yet written so sloppy, I have to keep trying to guess what people meant to say.

BlackHair
May 14, 2009, 06:48 AM
It's hard to explain but my thoughts are and at this point it seems valid to me: Logia must be aware/prepared to get hit, so they can turn themselves automatically into their element if they are hit normally (without using the weakness or haki). In that case they can regenerate themselves, but if they are hit while they are not aware/prepared than they can't regenerate themselves.

Example: Ace and Smoker are not aware of Luffy, so they get hit without turning into their element. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/158/06/) The same Smoker did turn to his element while getting hit by Sanji's kick, since he was prepared. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/16/)

So for example Ace, who is now bleeding can't regenerate these wounds, since they were done while he was in his phsical form and not logia state.

ofir271
May 14, 2009, 07:31 AM
I can tell when people arent primary users of english language, in fact the foreign people are often more capable of speaking English than English people are!
Please though, it's frustrating when I'm trying to catch up on discussion and the messages are really long yet written so sloppy, I have to keep trying to guess what people meant to say.

i think its part of the nature of one piece-somehow ceotic fun world.its only nutural for the posts to make no sence.and if oda can draw wings out of the blue i guess spelling or cohisive arguments are not of top priority.whenever i try to think deep about a theory oda laugh in my face the next chapter.its probably part of his fun.
btw i konw its not what you meant exactly but,well its allready writen,so ill let it be.

Akainu
May 14, 2009, 08:14 AM
It's hard to explain but my thoughts are and at this point it seems valid to me: Logia must be aware/prepared to get hit, so they can turn themselves automatically into their element if they are hit normally (without using the weakness or haki). In that case they can regenerate themselves, but if they are hit while they are not aware/prepared than they can't regenerate themselves.

Example: Ace and Smoker are not aware of Luffy, so they get hit without turning into their element. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/158/06/) The same Smoker did turn to his element while getting hit by Sanji's kick, since he was prepared. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/16/)

So for example Ace, who is now bleeding can't regenerate these wounds, since they were done while he was in his phsical form and not logia state.
Well as already was written last page it's not "regenerating" as in healing but "recomposing" what Logia-users can do. none of them however is able to "heal" wounds ~> suspection that when you hit a logia-user with a seastone weapon (gaol rounds for example) they will be hurt / scarred whatever.

Also this "automatically turning into their element" or "decomposing" as we might call it can be trained to the extent that it really happens automatically without being aware of danger, like Croc said.

Blackbeard on the other hand is not able to decompose, he may however suck things in and keep them there like we saw this chapter. It'd be interesting to know how much space he can actually use but perhaps we get an introduction to his DF as we sawa for Buggy, Bon-chan and Croc?

BlackHair
May 14, 2009, 08:33 AM
I must admit, I didn't read many posts, just a few of them so I might have missed that.


Well as already was written last page it's not "regenerating" as in healing but "recomposing" what Logia-users can do. none of them however is able to "heal" wounds ~> suspection that when you hit a logia-user with a seastone weapon (gaol rounds for example) they will be hurt / scarred whatever.
Yea' I did mean "recomposing" by regenerate and about that seastone part, like I said as long they aren't hit by using "weaknesses (e.g seastone or elem. weakness) or haki" they are able to recompose. Also the condition to recompose is that u must be in logia state ("decomposing state" or w.e it is called) or completely in ur logia (element).


Also this "automatically turning into their element" or "decomposing" as we might call it can be trained to the extent that it really happens automatically without being aware of danger, like Croc said. When did he said that? I only remember him saying that DF can be further trained.


About this chapter, well Im wondering how exactly Jimbei manages to fight Ace equally. Im guessing he can use haki. Also about Shiyru and BB, Im betting that they know each other.

Makki
May 14, 2009, 08:42 AM
I think there is an easy explanation to all of it.
Imagine, in real, if you would try to shoot fire or smoke, what would be the effect?
Of course you cannot shoot fire or smoke. So you can't shoot Ace or smoker. Their fruits make them turn into the element automatically, either this or they worked on their abilities that much so that they turn into the element when getting hit.

Of course pour water on them and they cannot do it anymore. We noticed this when Luffy fought against Crocodile.

But with Blackbeard everything is little bit different. He cannot simply turn into "Darkness". Maybe Darkness is no respectable element. But he can soak in people like using gravity or anti-gravity. And he takes hits like normal. But physical hits.

That is what I think.
Mr. Beta-Ruler, I tried hard to write a correct English... :/

BlackHair
May 14, 2009, 08:52 AM
Of course pour water on them and they cannot do it anymore. We noticed this when Luffy fought against Crocodile.Actually that only worked on Crocodile since his element is sold (sand) and as long he is soaked or hit by a wet object he can't decompose. Smoker's element is aerially (smoke) therefore he don't have to live with the same problem as Croco.

Na'.. I guess that's enough offtopic for toady :p