Bleach EP 219 Discussion

[bajapanties88]

Bleach 219: "Hisagi’s Shikai! The Name is…"

2 streaming links for the subs. Pick your poison:

Bleach 219 (http://www.myanimebucket.com/bleach-episode-219/)

Bleach 219 (http://www.animeavenue.net/bleach-episode-219/)

[Bolshoi Hui]

Liked this episode even more than the previous one. Hisagi's fight was really badass, impressive animation.

[1TrueSensei]

Damn it, that's how you animate a shounen. I'm downloading this episode for keeps once it's subbed, and I can count on one hand the number of Bleach episodes I've deemed worthy of downloading.

The animation was fluid, the choreography top notch (it topped the Hollow Ichigo-Pantera Grimmjow in action, which I just didn't think was possible), the music perfect for each scene, and the drawing flat-out fantastic.

It's times like this I agree full-heartedly with those who say Bleach should cut down on the fillers, and take breaks in order to create more episodes of this quality. Because I will say this: if the Captain vs. Espada battles are animated this well, or if the Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra finale is done this well, it will go a long way towards redeeming the anime and the manga in my eyes. But maybe that's just me.

Anyway, as those of you who read my posts know, I'm not the biggest fan of how Kubo has been handling the story lately, including how he did the "Ants vs. Dragons" arc. But I am more than willing to give credit where credit is due, so I'm tipping my hat to the animators on this episode. Awesome job:thumbs

[samouraizoun]

yeah!!! love it love it love it. hisagi is realy powerful to see hem this powerfulin only shikai is really something.

[DARK]

In terms of the action, animation, and BGM score, this episode was among the best ones in the series.

The issue(s) I have with the episode are its consistency; first there is a 5-minute recap where they explain the Karakura Town arc from start to finish. It can get really annoying after a while. What really ticks me off is that even with the recap, they still couldn't fit time consistencies. They had to put in a few minutes of anime filler I could barely understand prior to actually having manga content (since there is no manga).
Another issue would be the manga consistency; this episode, despite having seven minutes of anime content, STILL used up two and a half chapters of Bleach content. Currently the manga is 30 chapters ahead of the anime, which won't take a while to fill up considering that the entire Hueco Mundo Chapter arc after the Amagai filler was approximately 30 chapters long.

[ganjabuss]

i think next filler arc will be rescueing ashido from menos forest...
as for the ep...i will dl when db releases subbed version..

[Aizen Sama]

wow. What can i say. I always knew Kubo was writing a basic outline for the anime with the manga. It explains why I hated it when I read this arc but I'm loving each episode. who would have thought the fraccion fights would be better than most of the fights in this series. I'm keeping all of these episodes.

Bleach is probably the only shonen where the anime is much much better than the manga.

[thedarkoneaox]

wow. What can i say. I always knew Kubo was writing a basic outline for the anime with the manga. It explains why I hated it when I read this arc but I'm loving each episode. who would have thought the fraccion fights would be better than most of the fights in this series. I'm keeping all of these episodes.

Bleach is probably the only shonen where the anime is much much better than the manga.

Now alllll props to Aizen_Sama on this one... now truly he hit the mark...

[ryanzokuken]

holy shi-!

this episode blew my mind, lol.
why can't every fight be animated and dramatized this well?
this made me feel like Hisagi was the main character and Findor was a key villain! :p

and the final attacks, shikai vs cero, with the music and the epicness....gah, loved it.

i'm also liking some of the new music their putting in, like at when Findor was rapid-firing water blasts from his claw and at the end at Ikkaku's defeat.

pumped for Komamura's scene. i remember the two-page picture of he and his bankai in the manga was a godly piece of artwork.

[Aizen Sama]

holy shi-!

this episode blew my mind, lol.
why can't every fight be animated and dramatized this well?
this made me feel like Hisagi was the main character and Findor was a key villain! :p

and the final attacks, shikai vs cero, with the music and the epicness....gah, loved it.

i'm also liking some of the new music their putting in, like at when Findor was rapid-firing water blasts from his claw and at the end at Ikkaku's defeat.

pumped for Komamura's scene. i remember the two-page picture of he and his bankai in the manga was a godly piece of artwork.

They don't have an infinite budget. Every fight can't be epic but I think since there wasn't much content in the manga they decided to make the fights epic. A for good reason. I always felt that this arc didn't feel like a war. Now it really does.

[ryanzokuken]

They don't have an infinite budget. Every fight can't be epic but I think since there wasn't much content in the manga they decided to make the fights epic. A for good reason. I always felt that this arc didn't feel like a war. Now it really does.

does it cost more money to draw....better?

[Aizen Sama]

does it cost more money to draw....better?

Yes it does. For many reasons that I could spend all day explaining.

[WaveBossa]

does it cost more money to draw....better?

Lol, no it cost less, and takes less time, and is much easier, lmao!!!
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Damn it, that's how you animate a shounen. I'm downloading this episode for keeps once it's subbed, and I can count on one hand the number of Bleach episodes I've deemed worthy of downloading.

The animation was fluid, the choreography top notch (it topped the Hollow Ichigo-Pantera Grimmjow in action, which I just didn't think was possible), the music perfect for each scene, and the drawing flat-out fantastic.


You betta not be shittin me man. If its that good (i only watch subs), i'm gonna have much more appreciation for hisagi.

Pfft, and they say naruto and bleach are just about the same..
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They don't have an infinite budget. Every fight can't be epic but I think since there wasn't much content in the manga they decided to make the fights epic. A for good reason. I always felt that this arc didn't feel like a war. Now it really does.

A great reason why they should take breaks and drop the fillers.

Fillers cost money

[ryanzokuken]

well i mean, i can draw a stick figure and then draw an actual human being, and it takes longer, but it doesn't cost me a cent.

[WaveBossa]

well i mean, i can draw a stick figure and then draw an actual human being, and it takes longer, but it doesn't cost me a cent.

I see what you meant.

But they actually draw more frames. (i.e. more pictures) With more detail (i.e. more time)

Time = money.

Its not like every single frame in an anime is directly drawn. Most of the time, you get a frame that is just moved across the screen, or you get recycled animations.

So the drawing better is not the main thing, its the fact that they draw MUCH more

[Aizen Sama]

well i mean, i can draw a stick figure and then draw an actual human being, and it takes longer, but it doesn't cost me a cent.

:notrust. They don't make animes for free. This aint a charity service.

Let me give you a few reasons why it cost more money for high quality animation.

1. Better artists. These people cost ALOT of money

2. Better editors. Same reason as above

3. It takes longer to draw (more frames) so to stay on schedule artists have to work faster and longer. Again more money in addition to the fact they probably put more people on the job for that episode.

4. The studio has to deal with basic economics. SP does more than one series so they can't put all there people on bleach when you have another huge series (NARUTO) in production as well. Considering it takes 4-5 months to make ONE episode and there is a significant Naruto arc coming up I am sure they are stretched thin.

5. Drawing details is very difficult. Every extra facial expression, drop of sweat, more accurate mouth movements is more frames to draw. Again shit cost money. Try drawing (with a computer if you want) just a 10 second cartoon. You can ask as many friends as you like and I will guarantee that you won't finish in two weeks.

Do you want me to also address the voice acting, post production, sponsors, censoring, timing, and all the other crap that goes into making a cartoon or for that matter any other show. Live action shows have lower budget (generally depending on the cast) because their is no special effects or animation. Budgets for cartoons and series with special effects are higher because it takes longer to makes them. Its no wonder CN and other recycle Japanese animes. They don't have to draw them.

So stop complaining. Bleach animation is the last thing people should be complaining about.

[ryanzokuken]

lol my "stick figure" post was a joke, i know it's not the same thing. sheesh.

[WaveBossa]

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Thank me!! (it must be the DB rubbing off on me)

[CopyNinjaKakashi]

This episode was awesome. Hisagi is one of my favorite characters and I loved how badass he was. The music after he released was epic. I really didn't mind the slight changes or filler added. I loved how a couple of the captains smiled when Hisagi released (Hitsugaya said "Finally" =D). I think it shows that there is potential for Hisagi to become a captain, key word being potential.

On an offtopic, but related note, does anyone know where I can read the backstory on Hisagi and how he got the scars on the right side of his face. I know it was on some mission leading Kira and other students, if I recall correctly. I would love to read it. Thanks in advance.

[WaveBossa]

I just watched the full episode..... and wow.

THAT WAS THE BEST EPISODE OF BLEACH.

And the previews show that the next one will be well animated (not nearly as well but still).

Bleach is on a roll.

[bajapanties88]

Subs are out! 2 streaming links. Pick your poison:

Bleach 219 (http://www.myanimebucket.com/bleach-episode-219/)

Bleach 219 (http://www.animeavenue.net/bleach-episode-219/)

[Exodi]

Oh, yeah, that was a great episode. But definitely not as good as episode 166 (Ichigo vs. Grimmjow). Findor made this one facial expression that looks awesome (my avatar~)

[savantking]

I like how all the captains made a big deal when he releases or at least acknowledged it. It made the release seem even more badass. Hisagi definitely deserved such a good fight. This is the kind of quality Bleach should have fightwise on a regular basis.

[1TrueSensei]

I don't know if it was the eye paint or if it was Studio Pierrot using the same animators, but Findor looked a lot like Orochimaru in some shots.

[JP_Russell]

Hoooolyyyy hell. No doubt about it, I'd definitely prefer Bleach simply went off the air instead of having fillers if it meant every episode could have animation even close to as good as this one. Even if it meant going off the air for as much as a year. I figured the animation for this episode would be above that of the others some since Hisagi's shikai would need more frames to pull it off properly. But this is way beyond what I was expecting. I even loved the bits of filler here and there.

Can't wait for next week's episode. My most anticipated in the arc! Komamura's suckerpunch in slow motion animation? Yes, please. I wonder if anyone will make a .gif of that. :p I'm also interested to see what chapters it covers. I think it'll be a 3-chapter episode with minimal filler; 326-328. 326-327 don't have enough content on their own to fill a whole episode. 328's start would be a little awkward for the beginning of an anime episode, while its ending would only be appropriate for the end of one.

[choke_a_beech]

hopefully when bleach switches to filler, naruto would have ended their atrocious filler arc and gotten to oro and dediara vs sasuke!!!

[Kravmaga]

Holy internets!
I've stopped watching bleach for a long time but this episode didn't just blow my mind, it shattered it into a million pieces.
It's right on par with ichigo vs grimmjaw. In fact, it's better than the actual manga chapters. I loved the little details like the hisagi not being too cool to use kido after releasing, how he kicks off a brick under the pressure of a charge, how findor runs into a building by accident and the giggle the captains give after hisagi releases.

What's going on?
When did the animation get this good?
Did they change animation studio?
Have I missed any other well animated episodes?

[JP_Russell]

Have I missed any other well animated episodes?

Nothing quite on this level, but most of the episodes after the Amagai Shusuke filler arc have had pretty commendable animation or stylistic use of it here and there.

[danzouismadara]

lets not forget the episode of shinji vs grimmjow that was sick too. this episode was really good though especially since hisagi is like one of the bad ass characters except we never got to see his skills till now. yay!

[Galbert-Kun]

I totally forgot about the Amagai arc; dude actually got a hit on Yama-ji.

This episode was great. Kazeshini is kick ass like everyone has stated already. Kazeshini split through a cero at very close range; it aint a zanpaktou that can be taken lightly, thats for sure.

[Mr. Rain]

Hoooolyyyy hell. No doubt about it, I'd definitely prefer Bleach simply went off the air instead of having fillers if it meant every episode could have animation even close to as good as this one. Even if it meant going off the air for as much as a year. I figured the animation for this episode would be above that of the others some since Hisagi's shikai would need more frames to pull it off properly. But this is way beyond what I was expecting. I even loved the bits of filler here and there.

Can't wait for next week's episode. My most anticipated in the arc! Komamura's suckerpunch in slow motion animation? Yes, please. I wonder if anyone will make a .gif of that. :p I'm also interested to see what chapters it covers. I think it'll be a 3-chapter episode with minimal filler; 326-328. 326-327 don't have enough content on their own to fill a whole episode. 328's start would be a little awkward for the beginning of an anime episode, while its ending would only be appropriate for the end of one.

EXACTA! im just wondering why the animators decided to up the quality of the shows now

[sarutobi_sensei]

OMFG this episode is freaking amazing!

The fighting scenes are fucking amazing!

[Csdabest]

One of e best fights scenes lately. Hisagi is beast. But the thing in this chapter and episode that bothers me. Was hisagi holding back? In this episode he showed subtule hints of holding back.
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Am I the only one that went back and read the manga after this. Hisagi is a flipping beast. I really think he wasnt serious in the beginning till he claimed he was captain level.

The real debate is. IS Hisagi captain level? Im not sure but i think i either read it or saw an episode when Hisagi was being considered to be made a captain and that he easily would qualify. But didnt feel like taking up the duties or personal reasons cuz of Tousen.

But this episode and past hints really make me beleive Hisagi is low captain level

[OxKing033]

This episode was fantastic! One of the best episodes of bleach i've ever seen period. I didn't think this episode would surpass the actual badass manga version THIS MUCH! Animation was top notch, music was purely awesome, The choreography was top notch...which i actually find surpassed even Ichigo vs Grimmjaw. The extra added bits of filler in the fight made the fight even cooler. What even was cooler was the fact that the Captains acknowledged Hisagi's true strength as a vice captain. Its official tho, Yumichika would be destroyed in a rematch against Hisagi with that kick ass of a shikai. If Hisagi took Yumichika 100% serious in their fight at the time, i think he would've owned him.



One of e best fights scenes lately. Hisagi is beast. But the thing in this chapter and episode that bothers me. Was hisagi holding back? In this episode he showed subtule hints of holding back.

Yea, it seemed like he was having more trouble than he should have. I'd say it was just the fact that Findor was 2nd strongest of the 4 Fraccion that gave Hisagi some trouble.



Am I the only one that went back and read the manga after this. Hisagi is a flipping beast. I really think he wasnt serious in the beginning till he claimed he was captain level.

I think it wasn't the fact that he wasn't serious, its just that he studied his opponent's moves and then decide to bring out his arsenal once he knew what his opponent's powers were and when he was driven in a corner. Wats interesting is that Hisagi seemed to perform BETTER when Findor released lol.



The real debate is. IS Hisagi captain level? Im not sure but i think i either read it or saw an episode when Hisagi was being considered to be made a captain and that he easily would qualify. But didnt feel like taking up the duties or personal reasons cuz of Tousen.

I'd say he's shy of being Low Captain Level considering how easy he beat Findor once he used his shikai. Just that he needs a Bankai. Plus i think Tosen's betrayal did hit him hard and that he might not be ready yet to take up the responsibilities of full out captain.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Having Bankai doesn't mean one's captain level.

The best example is Renji. He's even weaker than ikkaku.

But in Hisagi's case i have to say that if he had bankai he'd be captain level ^^ Why? Because everyone was like: finnally he's serious ^^

Amazing

This current arc is being so focused on looking badass that I don't want to blink so that I don't lose any moment ^^

I wish another show was like this...

[ganjabuss]

just saw it...awesome...music and animation...

[Bolshoi Hui]

lets not forget the episode of shinji vs grimmjow that was sick too.

Nope, animation in this ep is much much better. Grim vs Shinji is even worse than the Szael battle in ep 164.



The real debate is. IS Hisagi captain level? Im not sure but i think i either read it or saw an episode when Hisagi was being considered to be made a captain and that he easily would qualify. But didnt feel like taking up the duties or personal reasons cuz of Tousen.

Let's not stretch a "captain" category ad infinitum. Shuhei is strong but he should train a lot to achieve a fully operational bankai.He was easily defeated by Allon who seems to be stronger than a lieutenant but not on par with a captain.



... considering how easy he beat Findor once he used his shikai.

It does't mean a lot in terms of defining Hisagi's level. Arrancar was underestimating his opponent from the very beginning and if he'd have broken the whole mask (not just 90%) right after resurrection or at least after Shuhei's shikai and wouldn't have been so careless I say Findor'd have had a chance. Adding that Hisagi himself stated Findor is on par with him and not even close to a captain.

[eeeeeee]

This episode was awesome. Hisagi is one of my favorite characters and I loved how badass he was. The music after he released was epic. I really didn't mind the slight changes or filler added. I loved how a couple of the captains smiled when Hisagi released (Hitsugaya said "Finally" =D). I think it shows that there is potential for Hisagi to become a captain, key word being potential.

On an offtopic, but related note, does anyone know where I can read the backstory on Hisagi and how he got the scars on the right side of his face. I know it was on some mission leading Kira and other students, if I recall correctly. I would love to read it. Thanks in advance.

I liked that bit too...acknowledgment that my dude is not someone to fuck with lol.

I guess the Hisagi must be an in house favourite if they felt the need to make an episode of this quality....glad they did though.

And its no suprise that he's a beast. His inspiration was Kensei and we seen how strong he was.

[Darek Khort]

I liked.
I love Anime with action. I'm assuming the animator is the same one who did two episodes in Naruto with additional fighting scenes against those two 'immortal' Akatsuki. The face-reactions look exactly like it.

I wish Anime like Bleach would get more of this stuff and less of the static-image-of-character-sliding-across-static-background.

If Espadas 1-4 fights can be just as detailed and dynamic; I would jump up for joy.

[cero_tenshou]

what i found interesting in this chapter really is that when hisagi releases his shikai he is shown to have the kind of visual effects that usually imply captain level reiatsu. this is the first time any vc has shown any sign of having near captain level reiatsu, other than when hiyori was hollowified and attacked shinji.

[OxKing033]

How strong would Hisagi be compared to say Ikkaku or Renji?



He was easily defeated by Allon who seems to be stronger than a lieutenant but not on par with a captain.


Actually, I think Allon's probably around AA's level of strength considering how Halibel's vices got eliminated MUCH EASIER than Allon himself.

[Bolshoi Hui]

How strong would Hisagi be compared to say Ikkaku or Renji?

Actually it's not very important as none of them will be playing a big role due to their lack of real power. There is a little difference between them and they are far from a captain level for sure. An average captain for example Byakuya will take them all.

And as for Allon he may be even stronger than AA who in fact was just a weakling

[JP_Russell]

So I wonder how much Hisagi will jump up in the popularity polls after this episode. You know it's going to happen.

[Galbert-Kun]

Soi Fon certainly approves of Hisagi's shikai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_vdoBxaRE (7:19)

[juice88]

i think based on his reaitsu he is clearly captain level just like ichigo was on the bridge when he had round 2 with byakuya he just needs a bankai and he already has the smarts

but ikkaku and renji are considered captain level as well even though they cant beat any current captains in a fight but i think due to the attacking power of a bankai that they would still beat hisagi cause even byakuya didnt try to beat a bankai without releasing his own

[Csdabest]

Well IMo. I do think he is Low Captain level at best. He would take hitsu place(^_^) as low tier captain. But do you really need a bankai to be a captain.

I forgot the requirments. I know one is gaining a bankai. And another is defeating the old captain with 200 members watching. Or go through test and being appointed.

But this was easily the best Manga fight i have seen in a long long time. I thought Grimmjow vs Ichi was bad ass. But this takes the place. Another plus is Hisagi isntn even the main character but he got a main charrie bad ass fight.

Even though there were some errors. And they did change some parts. Like they made Hisagi have even more trouble than demostraed but that could have been due to the cut out action in the manga. But also another thing they changed was Findor running with his claws between his leg. But this ending was pretty cool as well.

Another thing I noticed. I always thought those things on his arms and neck were Tattoos. But it seems like arm bands. Do you think its pre-prepped kido that he can just activate with a simple touch.

[JP_Russell]

I forgot the requirments. I know one is gaining a bankai.

Well, bankai technically just makes a shinigami eligible. They still have to take the captain exam and be deemed suitable for the position by Yamamoto and a certain number of other captains (can't remember how many).

[hajialibaig]

Wow...Now if only each and every bleach episode was as good and perfectly animated as this one....I would stop reading the manga!..

I am going to keep this one for sure.. wait.. I already have episodes 1-218 on my harddisk..lol

Anyway, made my day.

[slmcknett]

Wow...Now if only each and every bleach episode was as good and perfectly animated as this one....I would stop reading the manga!..

I am going to keep this one for sure.. wait.. I already have episodes 1-218 on my harddisk..lol

Anyway, made my day.

fool, why'd you save the fillers:p lol. but, i agree, out of all 3 fights so far, this one takes the cake, and until the ulquiorra fight it's probably going to be the beastly animation one.;) well, maybe ggio vs. soi fon, but...
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Well, bankai technically just makes a shinigami eligible. They still have to take the captain exam and be deemed suitable for the position by Yamamoto and a certain number of other captains (can't remember how many).

you need 3 captains to qualify, but only if you get recommended beforehand, like how yoruichi recommended kisuke. and, as for the test, don't you have to defeat any other captain?

[choke_a_beech]

man i'll consider renji captain level when he actually wins another one on one fight! hahahahahah! hisagi had a pretty wicked shikai!!! but i don't think he has the reiatsu quality or quantity of a captain. a decent if not very good VC.

[Aizen Sama]

If they animate Halibel this well in the future I might have to watch that episode in private.

[Lingwe]

Definitely a very good episode. I might be wrong but I do believe that the music where Hisagi was fighting after he released his shikai was from movie 3 (I think it was used in the scene where Ichigo fights Renji in Byakuya's garden), although I'm not too sure since it's been a few months since I saw it.

[Bohemia22]

Have I missed any other well animated episodes?TBtP arc had beast animation too, shame it lacked more action :/.

[THM Nindo]

Wow... I didn't recall that this fight was so good!!

Is it just me or the anime is really catching up with the manga?!!

[Aizen Sama]

Wow... I didn't recall that this fight was so good!!

Is it just me or the anime is really catching up with the manga?!!

At this rate the anime will be caught up to the manga in like two months.

I checked the recent episode titles and it looks like this is the case.

[ryanzokuken]

i wouldn't say Hisagi is captain level, but he's probably the next strongest VC after Renji and (possibly/probably) Yachiru.

[Bolshoi Hui]

If they animate Halibel this well in the future I might have to watch that episode in private.

I want to add that there is still a probability that Yoruichi may come and fight Hallibel and when/if that's animated just like this ep it'd be everyone's KO fangasm.

[hollowdemon]

im glad this episode gave the spotlight most on shuuhei since this one definitely gave an upgrade to a more of the movie-esque animated episodes.

is it just me or anyone else remembered shuuhei used bakudou 62 at the second bleach movie also?? that was aweesomee :D