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Bowser
May 14, 2009, 02:56 PM
Ive just realised that he never lost a match since coming back to the regulars (during Kantou Tournament)

V Inui and Kaidoh, Won (could've lost)
V some pair during national against Shishigaku
V Oishi and Kikumaru, (also would've lost had it gone on longer)

Not too bad eh?

Atobe the king
May 15, 2009, 06:54 AM
Good doubles record, his singles record would be lacking imo

He's one of the few characters who played more than a single match who hasn't lost, all i can think of is Koshimae, Shiraishi and the others only played one match so we can't count them

KuwabaraTheMan
May 15, 2009, 12:55 PM
Good doubles record, his singles record would be lacking imo

He's one of the few characters who played more than a single match who hasn't lost, all i can think of is Koshimae, Shiraishi and the others only played one match so we can't count them

Well, there's obviously Ootori, too. Also, Akazawa and Kaneda won their match against Hyoutei in Doubles 1, so they're both undefeated in multiple matches (Akazawa also beat a Seigaku regular in the previous year).

I can't think of any others off the top of my head, though.

Neru
May 15, 2009, 01:10 PM
Same goes for Ootori, right? Although we get to know that both of them get owned at singles. Its funny how Ootori with his awesome serve doesn't play singles were it would be more rewarding than in doubles. But then again, huge servers generally dont go that far unless they have a big game to back it up with.

Atobe the king
May 15, 2009, 01:23 PM
Same goes for Ootori, right? Although we get to know that both of them get owned at singles. Its funny how Ootori with his awesome serve doesn't play singles were it would be more rewarding than in doubles. But then again, huge servers generally dont go that far unless they have a big game to back it up with.

Im not sure...take this with a grain of salt

When Hyoshi was introduced, everyone was saying "OMFG he beat chotaro in singles >_<"

But we saw how Hyoshi got smacked by Koshimae..so maybe beating Chotaro isn't that big a deal

But im pretty sure he'd be okay in singles with that huge serve of his, hitting 215 Km/h serves at will is impressive, and he hardly faults reminds me of Roddick

@Hinata fan, i forogt about those guys because i forgot there was a saint rudolph:blink

javimgol
June 16, 2009, 12:03 PM
Who defeat Shishido in singles? Tachibana?
If it was Tachibana, it's an excuse. Tachibana is one of the best players of PoT (maybe in TOP 10?)

Atobe the king
June 16, 2009, 12:09 PM
Tachibana beat him 6-0

I don't know about top 10 but he's up there.

That said he got beat by sissy atoner Tachibana

Fayte
June 20, 2009, 04:11 PM
I personally think Tachibana is better than Fuji, and people say Fuji is top 5. Shame, Tachibana is one of the most underrated captains.

Atobe the king
June 20, 2009, 04:16 PM
Yea but that was silly "My triple counters work on anything Fuji" not "comeback from triple match point down and pull a perfect broken counter out of my ass fuji".

Tachibana is still too soft..i half wish he had his old do what it takes to win attitude, that said he lost to Chitose 7-5 which is really close anyway despite him holding back.

Fayte
June 20, 2009, 10:31 PM
Yeah, but remember you can't compare an improved Fuji to an old Tachibana. We have to assume every character will improve at the same rate. So the old Fuji who played the old Tachibana match would end up similar to a new fuji vs a new tachibana.

Sherlock Holmes
June 20, 2009, 11:10 PM
It depends Fayte. A non official match? Yeah, same way. Fuji's racket's strings break, but Tachibana being clearly better. An offical match? Fuji comes up with insane broken counter and what happens after that is anyone's guess.

Back to Shishido, he is going to lose to Ootori isn't he?

Dansan1
June 21, 2009, 12:38 AM
I agree with Sherlock,

I also think,

We definitely do not have to assume all the characters improve at the same rate. In fact we should not. The central and popular characters always improve more. Sometimes the the lessers don't get anything.

javimgol
June 21, 2009, 03:36 AM
It depends Fayte. A non official match? Yeah, same way. Fuji's racket's strings break, but Tachibana being clearly better. An offical match? Fuji comes up with insane broken counter and what happens after that is anyone's guess.

Back to Shishido, he is going to lose to Ootori isn't he?
I'm almost sure, although it has no sense (it was stated swhere that Choutaroh is very bad in singles). In all the "doubles" matches (Oishi-Kiku,Shis-Chou, Bunta-Jackal), the volleyer or special is more popular, and in this U-17 matches, I'm sure that the most popular will win.
In any case, although I prefer Shisido, I think Ootori is a good character, and the Japan Team will need a fast server (specially if, as we think because of the cover, Inui loses VS mizuki)

Fayte
June 21, 2009, 08:33 PM
I would like all of you to please state one single match in the series, that a single character played twice, and didn't improve before or during the match itself.

lets look at Kirihara. (For example, the Kirihara who played Tachibana was not the same Kirihara who played Echizen, who was not the same Kirihara who played Fuji, Who was not the same Kirihara who played Krauser, who was not the same Kirihara who played with Renji)

Therefore, every character improves at the same rate, because all characters improve with every match.

Naturally there are some exceptions.

Dansan1
June 21, 2009, 08:41 PM
That logically MAKES NO SENSE.

All characters improve therefore they improve at the same rate?

You need a course in how to avoid fallacious arguments.


Oh, and I'll give you one example.

Sengoku. No manga improvement. NONE. He was the same v Momo and v Kamio. (I heard he got stuff in the anime, but not in manga cannon)

And we know he beat Richard but even in that victory due to how little was shown we still saw no direct improvement.


But more importantly there are MANY other examples of important and popular characters SOARING in improvements compared to the peripheral guys.

Do you honestly believe that the saint Rudolph pair improved at the same rate as the Golden Pair? Or that Shinji improved at the same rate as Echizen?

The better people improve faster. And more importantly in drama the main characters improve faster.

Atobe the king
June 21, 2009, 08:57 PM
I have to agree with Dansan they can't improve at the same rate, that makes no sense in not only real life tennis but any manga period.

Akaya's leap from semi's to finals was much greater than Kaido's leap from semi's to finals.

Fayte
June 21, 2009, 10:50 PM
That logically MAKES NO SENSE.

All characters improve therefore they improve at the same rate?

You need a course in how to avoid fallacious arguments.


Oh, and I'll give you one example.

Sengoku. No manga improvement. NONE. He was the same v Momo and v Kamio. (I heard he got stuff in the anime, but not in manga cannon)

And we know he beat Richard but even in that victory due to how little was shown we still saw no direct improvement.


But more importantly there are MANY other examples of important and popular characters SOARING in improvements compared to the peripheral guys.

Do you honestly believe that the saint Rudolph pair improved at the same rate as the Golden Pair? Or that Shinji improved at the same rate as Echizen?

The better people improve faster. And more importantly in drama the main characters improve faster.


It makes perfect sense. Echizen is the only character who improved on his own level. I said "All characters improve at the same rate because all characters improve after EVERY MATCH.

Sengoku is an exception, because he was too minor a character in PoT1.

To make it as simple as possible, I'll explain.

Season 1:
Kaidoh's powerlevel is 4
Fuji's powerlevel is 8
Tezuka's powerlevel is 10
Kirihara's powerlevel is 9
Sanada's powerlevel is 11

If every character improves at the same rate with every game played, and each character plays 1 more match, doubling in skill after every match, the end result will end up no different than the first statistics. The difference is every character will be stronger.

Season 2:
Kaidoh's powerlevel is 8
Fuji's powerlevel is 16
Tezuka's powerlevel is 20
Kirihara's powerlevel is 18
Sanada's powerlevel is 22

Dansan1
June 21, 2009, 10:58 PM
You still have the same huge hole that I think you just can't see.

Add in that statement and it still doesn't follow logically that just because all characters improve after every match that they should improve at an equal rate.

It doesn't follow any logical progression, you could argue from the manga that they improve at the same rate, but all characters improving after each match does not logically progress to them improving at the same rate.


I personally don't see that looking at the manga. Even in your own example you started with the presupposition that they improve at the same rate! Here's a counter example

Person A -4
Person B-6

After 1 match each

Person A-8
Person B-14

Both improved but at different rates.

Fayte
June 21, 2009, 11:56 PM
I was making a general example about the major characters and saying if they were to improve at the same rate. Every character is different, but the concept is still the same.

Sanada can be at level 30 in season 1
Echizen can be level 8 in season 1

*Echizen plays more main characters and improves*
*Sanada plays minor characters and wins 6-0. Doesn't improve*

Sanada remains level 30 in season 2
Echizen becomes level 20 in season 2

*Echizen plays more main characters and improves*
*Sanada plays minor characters and wins 6-0. Doesn't improve*

Sanada remains level 30 in season 3
Echizen becomes level 28 in season 3

*Echizen plays Sanada and wins*
*Echizen goes to level 35*
*Sanada goes to level 31

(Note this hacked exp is only available for Echizen, granted by GM_Konomi)

JyAZ
June 22, 2009, 07:38 AM
Yeah, but remember you can't compare an improved Fuji to an old Tachibana. We have to assume every character will improve at the same rate. So the old Fuji who played the old Tachibana match would end up similar to a new fuji vs a new tachibana.

I sort of agree with the statement that we have to assume that every character will improve at the same rate, but characters like Echizen and Fuji are known to evolve at a fast rate. Characters like Shiraishi and Tezuka won't evolve as much since as said by Shiraishi, they both have completed their styles already. Assuming that it's an RPG, we can say that they have EXP boost. However, your statement saying that "all characters improve at the same rate because they improve after every match" doesn't make sense. Improving at all is not a rate. Improving 2 levels/per game is a rate.

There are some things in the manga that I've learned to accept. Ryoma won't lose, Ryoma sucks at doubles, Oishi has a little girl's wrist, and Fuji is the fastest evolving character. I mean, come on. Fuji invented a new counter during the hardest game he's ever played. He then proceeded to create another new counter in 1 game to fix the 5th counter's counter. With the information we've been given, it can be assumed, whether you fully agree or not, that Tachibana has not gotten ANY better from before the manga's story to the nationals. Some characters have even said that he got worse.

DavenSodan
June 22, 2009, 08:10 AM
True, I believe too that Tachibana was at Level 20, for example, before PoT1 began and at the end of it he was still Level 20, he only just used a little bit of his abilities. Also the Sanada 3 years ago lost badly against Tezuka and could have complety destroyed him at the Nationals Final if he wasnt so stubborn. So Tezuka improved from Level, say, 20 to 40 but Sanada from Level 14 to 50. So they doest improved at the same rate...

Fayte
June 22, 2009, 10:02 AM
My point is, no matter how much they all improve, they will all remain in the same spot. Echizen will always be above everyone else, Sanada will always be second, Tezuka will always be third, etc.

The reason I say this is because everyone will eventually improve. Again;

Say Echizen is level 25
Sanada is level 20
Tezuka is level 18

Lets say Echizen gains 5 levels (after 1 match)
Tezuka gains 3 levels (after 1 match)
and Sanada gains 2 (after 1 match)

The standings remain in the same order, despite growing at different rates.

Echizen is level 30
Sanada is level 22
Tezuka is level 21

No matter how much someone grows (echizen excluded) they will eventually stop growing until the other characters around them catch up to their skill level. For example,

Sanada, Tachibana, and Kirihara were too good from the beginning, so they didn't improve until everyone else caught up to their skill level. Sanada didn't improve until Tezuka/Atobe caught up to his level. Again, like an RPG

Echizen is that kid who grinds all day and night and doesn't sleep, gaining levels.
Tachibana was level 20 when Echizen and everyone were level 8, so Tachibana hasn't played in weeks.

Kirihara gets to level 21 and passes Tachibana.

Tachibana finds out; goes "Wth?" and logs on to level more.

Atobe gets WoI and gets to level 30

Sanada hears about it; goes "kk watch this" and gets to level 40

It is like a grindfest to level 99, nobody letting anyone pass them.

Atobe the king
June 22, 2009, 10:46 AM
My point is, no matter how much they all improve, they will all remain in the same spot. Echizen will always be above everyone else, Sanada will always be second, Tezuka will always be third, etc.

That kind of makes no sense at all...

javimgol
June 22, 2009, 11:20 AM
That kind of makes no sense at all...
I think so. It was clearly stated that Tokyo's Tezuka was better than Tokyo' s Sanada and Tokyo's Ryoma .
After Nationals, Ryoma was better than Tezuka and Sanada was exactly in the same level as Tezuka

Fayte
June 22, 2009, 12:30 PM
I think so. It was clearly stated that Tokyo's Tezuka was better than Tokyo' s Sanada and Tokyo's Ryoma .
After Nationals, Ryoma was better than Tezuka and Sanada was exactly in the same level as Tezuka

What are you talking about? Kantou Tezuka would have gotten destroyed by Kantou Sanada. Tezuka only had Tezuka zone and zero shiki drop shot during that time period. Kantou Sanada was like seven times as good as Tezuka.

It wasn't until Tezuka was FULLY HEALED and entered the Nationals, when he became the real Tezuka.


That kind of makes no sense at all...
Thanks.

Atobe the king
June 22, 2009, 12:54 PM
What are you talking about? Kantou Tezuka would have gotten destroyed by Kantou Sanada. Tezuka only had Tezuka zone and zero shiki drop shot during that time period. Kantou Sanada was like seven times as good as Tezuka.

Where are you pulling these numbers from? How do you know he was that much better? he did fine against Atobe and would have won routinely 6-4, Sanada isn't the type to try and destroy his shoulder like Atobe tried to.

It was after both Tezuka and Yukimura were out that they started calling Sanada the best middle school player in Japan.


Thanks.

I said that because it really made no sense..when did Sanada become the number 2 and when did Tezuka become the number 3? one match doesn't mean he's better.

If anything Yukimura is the number 2.

Fayte
June 22, 2009, 01:42 PM
Where are you pulling these numbers from? How do you know he was that much better? he did fine against Atobe and would have won routinely 6-4, Sanada isn't the type to try and destroy his shoulder like Atobe tried to.

It was after both Tezuka and Yukimura were out that they started calling Sanada the best middle school player in Japan.



I said that because it really made no sense..when did Sanada become the number 2 and when did Tezuka become the number 3? one match doesn't mean he's better.

If anything Yukimura is the number 2.

I am saying a random number, stop taking everything so literally.

This is the same Kantou Sanada who beat that same Kantou Atobe 6-0. Tezuka was certainly not the best in Kantou when he was unable to use PoHW, and Yukimura played not one match, and was hardly existent.

Sanada was in fact the best person Echizen could have possibly faced during Kantou.

DavenSodan
June 22, 2009, 02:20 PM
I think Fayte is right on this one. Tezuka only with his Zone and Drop Shot wouldnt have won against Sanadas FuuZinZanRa, because, as shown in the Nationals Final match, Ra can destroy the Zone. So whats left is the Zero-Shiki and I doubt Tezuka could handle it to use it in every rally due to his shoulder/elbow/whatever problem.

Sherlock Holmes
June 22, 2009, 03:27 PM
Actually, no one here knows what Kantou Tezuka's level is. Because he didn't play on the Kantou tournament, unless my memory is failing me. We can't know for sure how far on his recovery he was.

But it's not like Echizen will ALWAYS be number one. He will only be number one until the big bad of this season is introduced. Then the big bad will be number one until Echizen beats him in a match, after some hax.

Characters grow in different speeds. Their growth formula goes like this:

Importance to the plot(1.5)+Popularity(3)+AuthorPreference(1.5)+Strongopponent(1.5)=Growth
Echizen gets the most growth due to always getting strong opponents, having a gigantic importance to the plot, and being liked by the author. He's fairly popular as well.

With that said, it's not like characters will always grow at the same rate. Characters of the same tier, maybe. Like say, Niou and Yagyuu. They pretty much grow at the same rate. But Yukimura and Niou grow at completely different rates.

Atobe the king
June 22, 2009, 03:35 PM
I am saying a random number, stop taking everything so literally.

This is the same Kantou Sanada who beat that same Kantou Atobe 6-0. Tezuka was certainly not the best in Kantou when he was unable to use PoHW, and Yukimura played not one match, and was hardly existent.

Sanada was in fact the best person Echizen could have possibly faced during Kantou.

It's a random number but a huge one...anyway, guess this makes sense..but where does it say Atobe lost 6-0?


Importance to the plot(1.5)+Popularity(3)+AuthorPreference(1.5)+Strongopponent(1.5)=Growth
Echizen gets the most growth due to always getting strong opponents, having a gigantic importance to the plot, and being liked by the author. He's fairly popular as well.


This makes sense too, and made me lol, and yea the kid is popular in japan usually in the top 3, only the US fanbase hates him


But it's not like Echizen will ALWAYS be number one. He will only be number one until the big bad of this season is introduced. Then the big bad will be number one until Echizen beats him in a match, after some hax.


Maybe, but the team theme of the manga doesn't make it look like that can happen

The issue with making Echizen learn PoP is that he made it so that the kid CAN'T lose without making a good chunk of PoT worthless

DavenSodan
June 22, 2009, 03:35 PM
Kantou: Tezuka against Atobe where Tezuka had his Zone and the Drop Shot used and an broken arm....

Sherlock Holmes
June 22, 2009, 03:39 PM
Kantou: Tezuka against Atobe where Tezuka had his Zone and the Drop Shot used and an broken arm....

Right, the match was in Kantou. My mistake. I forgot he only quit the tournament after that match. For some reason, I thought Tezuka's match with Atobe was in Tokyo...

Atobe the king
June 22, 2009, 03:49 PM
Right, the match was in Kantou. My mistake. I forgot he only quit the tournament after that match. For some reason, I thought Tezuka's match with Atobe was in Tokyo...

Nope, it was the very first Round of the Kanto tournament...

That was why all the other seeds (Rokkaku, Rikkai , and Yamabuki) came to watch Tezuka lose like hungry Vultures..

javimgol
June 23, 2009, 02:56 AM
PLEASE READ THIS:
The one who said that Kanto's Tezuka was better than Sanada and Ryoma in Tokyo was KONOMI.
When he says that?
In the tonkoban(manga volume) appear the Rikkai interviews, do you remember it?In one of them, Vol.4 just before chapter 224, Sanada VS Ryoma, one reader asks:
"Who would win in a Sanada-Tezuka match?"
Sanada, Jackal and Renji said Sanada, but YUKIMIRA, the best tennis player of the series (Konomi said) says:
"I would say Tezuka,hehe"
So, admit it, Kanto's Sanada WOULD LOSE VS TEZUKA
HERE IS: http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/223/20/

And it was stated before Ryoma VS Atobe than Ryoma was worse than Tezuka:
http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/296/15-16/

They are MANGA EVIDENCES, no OPINIONS like you ahve

Bowser
June 23, 2009, 10:42 AM
Kanto Sanada would win? Maybe...but he sealed two of his techniques, Shadow and lightning in order to beat tezuka...so if they played, he would have unsealed it anyway right?

Fayte
June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
PLEASE READ THIS:
The one who said that Kanto's Tezuka was better than Sanada and Ryoma in Tokyo was KONOMI.
When he says that?
In the tonkoban(manga volume) appear the Rikkai interviews, do you remember it?In one of them, Vol.4 just before chapter 224, Sanada VS Ryoma, one reader asks:
"Who would win in a Sanada-Tezuka match?"
Sanada, Jackal and Renji said Sanada, but YUKIMIRA, the best tennis player of the series (Konomi said) says:
"I would say Tezuka,hehe"
So, admit it, Kanto's Sanada WOULD LOSE VS TEZUKA
HERE IS: http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/223/20/

And it was stated before Ryoma VS Atobe than Ryoma was worse than Tezuka:
http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/296/15-16/

They are MANGA EVIDENCES, no OPINIONS like you ahve

Incorrect. That is not Konomi saying Tezuka is better, nor is it an interview. If you read all of those Q&A's you would realize that none of them are actually answered. They are just to show how the characters would react to them. Konomi did not say anything. Yukimura the character, made a joke to tease Sanada.

As for Echizen reaching Tezuka's level, Atobe was referring to "Nationals" Tezuka. The Tezuka that uses PoHW. Atobe would be correct. Echizen did not reached (N)Tezuka at that point yet.

javimgol
June 23, 2009, 12:46 PM
Incorrect. That is not Konomi saying Tezuka is better, nor is it an interview. If you read all of those Q&A's you would realize that none of them are actually answered. They are just to show how the characters would react to them. Konomi did not say anything. Yukimura the character, made a joke to tease Sanada.

As for Echizen reaching Tezuka's level, Atobe was referring to "Nationals" Tezuka. The Tezuka that uses PoHW. Atobe would be correct. Echizen did not reached (N)Tezuka at that point yet.
About Atobe, we don´t know what Tezuka was refering, it isn´t stated, maybe you're right but we can´t be sure.

About the A&Q, I think you don't (or you don't want to) understand it well. A reader asks, and Konomi answers. The point is that Konomi prefers than the answers will be answered by their own characters. The other A&Q are the same, the reader asks and Konomi answers (i.ex who get good marks? answer: yagyyu and renji :http://www.onemanga.com/Prince_of_Tennis/233/18/)

And just one thing more: why do you thing Sanada is better than Tezuka, with no doubts? I think they are exactly in the same level, and the match was a prove of it. Both could have won...

Atobe the king
June 23, 2009, 12:48 PM
I think they are exactly in the same level, and the match was a prove of it. Both could have won...

This is pretty much my stance on the whole thing

Winning one match doesn't mean he's better, it's like Saying Ryoma was better than Sanada in Kanto

DavenSodan
June 23, 2009, 03:09 PM
Not even a match. Its just one damn short set we are talking about. That is nothing. I once lost the first set 1-6 just to beat the hell out of my opponent in set two and three...

Echizen could have been refereed as better than Sanada if he beat him numerous times because he always would overcome him with something (like the Cool Drive). Of course now, since he got Pop, every discussion would be useless.

Atobe the king
June 23, 2009, 03:38 PM
Not even a match. Its just one damn short set we are talking about. That is nothing. I once lost the first set 1-6 just to beat the hell out of my opponent in set two and three...


This is my main issue with PoT...a single set doesn't tell the whole story...

Fed loses to Nadal 6-2 in the first...then proceeds to thrash him 6-2,6-0 in the next set.

Fayte
June 23, 2009, 04:45 PM
Listen, it isn't about winning or losing. Tezuka was utterly out-matched. Yukimura himself said it. I don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend about this subject. Sanada defeated every single technique Tezuka had to throw at him. Not only that, Tezuka ended up losing anyway!

That would be like Shiraishi owning Fuji 5-0 like he did,

Fuji creates counters, gets 4 games;

Shiraishi overcomes them and wins 6-4 anyway.

Now, had this happened, WHO in their right mind would say "Fuji is still better" or "They are even." Whoever would take this situation and say that, please raise your hand.

javimgol
June 24, 2009, 03:22 AM
Listen, it isn't about winning or losing. Tezuka was utterly out-matched. Yukimura himself said it. I don't understand what is so difficult to comprehend about this subject. Sanada defeated every single technique Tezuka had to throw at him. Not only that, Tezuka ended up losing anyway!

That would be like Shiraishi owning Fuji 5-0 like he did,

Fuji creates counters, gets 4 games;

Shiraishi overcomes them and wins 6-4 anyway.

Now, had this happened, WHO in their right mind would say "Fuji is still better" or "They are even." Whoever would take this situation and say that, please raise your hand.
But Sanada VS Tezuka had much more emotion. And remember, if Tezuka would have the arm only a bit less injured, he could have done 4 Zero Shiki serves in a row and would have won the match.

DavenSodan
June 24, 2009, 04:28 AM
Nope, as Sanada still had those combination shot. He returned the Zero-Serve at match point.

And: IF Tezuka had a better arm, then maybe Sanada would still be better IF he had more than 2 elements hidden... this whole if thing leads to nothing.

KuwabaraTheMan
June 24, 2009, 11:36 AM
This is my main issue with PoT...a single set doesn't tell the whole story...

Fed loses to Nadal 6-2 in the first...then proceeds to thrash him 6-2,6-0 in the next set.

Yeah, but these are middle school kids. Most of them are damn exhausted after playing just one set. Hell, unless things have changed since I graduated, even high school tennis teams only play one set matches.

It's true that you can lose bad in the first set and then win big in the next few, but for people who know they're playing a one set match, they'll have to go all out from the start.

Atobe the king
June 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
Yeah, but these are middle school kids. Most of them are damn exhausted after playing just one set. Hell, unless things have changed since I graduated, even high school tennis teams only play one set matches.

It's true that you can lose bad in the first set and then win big in the next few, but for people who know they're playing a one set match, they'll have to go all out from the start.

I disagree...Ryoma and Atobe played a 200 + point breaker...if you do the math thats like 8 sets of tennis (im just throwing around the numbers Im probably wrong).

Ryoma jogs from Tokyo to Kanagawa on foot then plays Kirihara.

None of them ever look really tired unless the match was grueling.

KuwabaraTheMan
June 24, 2009, 12:07 PM
I disagree...Ryoma and Atobe played a 200 + point breaker...if you do the math thats like 8 sets of tennis (im just throwing around the numbers Im probably wrong).

Ryoma jogs from Tokyo to Kanagawa on foot then plays Kirihara.

None of them ever look really tired unless the match was grueling.

200 points is freaking long, yeah. Of course, some of those were probably service aces and short points. The bigger issue isn't how many points are played but how long the rallies are.

I'm sure some of them could play full matches, but a lot of them probably aren't at that level of endurance yet. Hell, Hiyoshi and Mukahi can't make it through one set.

javimgol
June 24, 2009, 01:21 PM
200 points is freaking long, yeah. Of course, some of those were probably service aces and short points. The bigger issue isn't how many points are played but how long the rallies are.

I'm sure some of them could play full matches, but a lot of them probably aren't at that level of endurance yet. Hell, Hiyoshi and Mukahi can't make it through one set.
And Tokyo's Kikumaru middle set XD