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Predator
July 13, 2006, 05:29 AM
This time, let's start with the Shortcut to Chapter 419 Goodies (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5956.0).

Now, we can move on to quick chapter summary, right?

Looks like this chapter doesn't focus that much on Luffy vs. Lucci, so my last weeks guess was wrong. Not that I'm sad about it .... Even better, I'm happy, that I was wrong. :D

Ussop/Sogeking gets legendary .... Unseen sniper abilities even in strong wind. His time to shine has come. But at the same time, Franky gets his share of face time for saving Robin from those nasty bullers. After all, only he and Luffy are like that, but Luffy's busy at the moment.

What's next? ........ That's the question.

Will Robin be freed from those seastone shackles? What about Spandam? What about Buster Call? What about Luffy? What about Strawhats on the Tower of Justice? ..... too many "whats", but we must somehow answer them all.

Let's hear your bright idea .....

bobossp
July 13, 2006, 09:12 AM
she might be freed from it... unless Sapandam uses his sword to kick the keys off what would be maybe more natural (or it would be way too easy for robin to get rid of the marines, while it would be harder for Franky because he would have to protect her--> more glory for usopp !)

I thought it would be Luffy vs Lucci... guess it will be for the next chap :)

usopp was greaaaat !!!

Deerkiller
July 13, 2006, 10:00 AM
1 of 2 things will happen.

1) They will focus the next chapter on luffy vs lucci for half the chapter and focus on the buster call the rest of the chapter. This is really not likely since there is always a trend to focus on luffy's battles at the end of a saga. So dont expect to see them finish thier 4 chapter battle any time soon till Nico Robin is safe and everyone else is off the island.

2) The chapter will focus on Franky vs Sapandam. Franky has a long time grudge against him so it is only natural that they battle while zoro and others focus on Robin. More then likely franky will try to use the keys but they will get knocked away by Sapandam into the water or something leaving "no hope" for Robin to free herself from the cuffs.

Eh, just my thoughts on the next chapter.

thejackass98
July 14, 2006, 12:50 AM
alright i jus dont have any prediction for the next chapter cuz 419 jus left me speachless in excitement so i will jus say surprise me more

Sir Whirly
July 14, 2006, 02:38 AM
Whats gonna happen is a little bit more of Sogeking and Franky goodness with a touch of Robin, and then some Luffy clobberin time. Oh yea!

Xenos3421
July 14, 2006, 10:27 AM
You know, those 4 keys might be useless after all.

Think about how evil and crazy spandam is, he'd keep the key on himself or give it to lucci. I know that I wouldn't leave a key like that to any 'underling', i'd give it to my strongest fighter. Or not have one at all.

Regardless, it's time for robin to get those cuffs off and kill spandam. She's gonna do something cool, everybody has gotten a new attack except robin, nows her chance to pull off a 1000 fluer of death.

Usoppking
July 14, 2006, 09:52 PM
I think that Robin may get free, and we'll see more Luffy vs Lucchi.

I think Ussop/Sogeking will cover Franky and Robin while they get her free from her cuffs, assuming they have the correct key.

what would be really funny is if all we see of the Luffy vs Lucchi fight is near the beginning of the chapter we see Lucchi flying through the roof of where he and Luffy are fighting, and then a chibi Luffy comes sprinting across the Bridge of Hesitation.

destinator
July 15, 2006, 03:56 AM
Mangahelpers is finally back after this cruel downtime :)

Kokoro managed it to save the crew but they are still in danger. Also Luffy's fight with Lucci seems to enter the final stage!
So what will happen in the next chapter? Will they finally escape or will it get even more esrious?

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Xenos3421
July 16, 2006, 02:49 PM
what would be really funny is if all we see of the Luffy vs Lucchi fight is near the beginning of the chapter we see Lucchi flying through the roof of where he and Luffy are fighting, and then a chibi Luffy comes sprinting across the Bridge of Hesitation.


That would be awesome, just to see Spandam's face when he sees his best fighter getting owned on. His face is already going to be crazy at the begining of the chapter, just look at him in the end of 419- he's craping his pants he's so scared.

askance
July 16, 2006, 09:29 PM
Luffy is fighting Lucchi, Sogeking and Franky have Spandam and Co Pinned down.

So what cool thing will Robin do when freed?

Answer: She is going to stop the entire Buster Call navy by Herself, and it is going to be Awesome.

Just my humble prediction, although it probably will not happen for another few chapters.

alazim
July 16, 2006, 11:09 PM
Robin will get free..positive..n she will fight with spandam..
i think we will not see much about luffy vs Lucchi in this next chapter.. :o

Lohnt
July 17, 2006, 02:21 AM
I hope it might go something like:

Spandaman facing SH + Franky and all the Marines behind him raise their guns to fire at them at which time Zoro says something badass as he grips his sword and they get ready to attack, Spandaman screams "fire or w/e" Sogeking (accidentaly) shoots at him in the middle of his talking, and the SH with an annoyed look look up at him to see his mouth fully opened and shaking while looking at the distance, a loud noise is heard and the BC ships suddenly start appearing in the distance approaching. Time has run out, Franky says something angsty Spandaman goes a little crazy, but then says some psycho "ME AM HERO" babble, and Sanji smokes his cig while saying something very thoughtful.

Scene changes to Luffy vs Lucci. Luffy blasts Lucci in the air, but Lucci does some crazy air blade kicks, and tries to super shigan Luffy again, but Luffy dodges. They say some angry words to each other and Lucci plants a hit on Luffy which sends him flying. Luffy gets up and Lucci comments on the BC ships already being upon them, then Luffy comments to hell with the BC ships "I'm gonna kick your ass" as the last frame.

At least that's how I would like it to go :p

venicia777
July 17, 2006, 11:15 AM
"i am gonna kick your ass"-eh. Luffy has been saying this for soo long it is about time he says it again to lucci himself.

As at now- we have sogeking/robin/spandam and co/and franky on the top. whilst the rest of the mugiwaras are below with luffy engaged in a fight. So i am expecting the next skirmishes b.n franky/usopp/robin combo against the marines and spandam. Spandam is scared but with his ambitions and family name on the line, the guy is got to do something crazy. I DONT even believe he gave the correct Key for robins locks to anyone ( may be its Robwith Lucci). The fights have gone great but there doesnt seem to be a lot of angst and tension like before. which leads me to believe Oda has something even more intriguing yet to come.
usopp will definately have to give franky and robin a lot of help before the others get up there. We should have a little on what the franky crew and OIMO/KAASHI are headed- whether to Luffy's direction or in a place the giants know to find a way out.
and then we get to Rob vs Luffy. THere is no way i want to even predict this fight. Let it come to me.

thejackass98
July 17, 2006, 11:48 AM
heh its kinda funny when naruto and bleach prediction threads have so many ppl disccusing it and one piece doesnt and i know there are shit load one piece fans heh persoanlyy i kinda find it hard to get any prediction cuz of the unpredictiblily of oda

neomaster121
July 17, 2006, 03:26 PM
heh its kinda funny when naruto and bleach prediction threads have so many ppl disccusing it and one piece doesnt and i know there are shit load one piece fans heh persoanlyy i kinda find it hard to get any prediction cuz of the unpredictiblily of oda


true i agree with you one piece is very unpridictable, With bleach and naruto people have lots of ide's on things but with one piece each chapter leaves people speech less. Like now i have no clue on what oda will do with one piece so most people don't make many predictions with this arc since its is really just
but with naruto its training and people just love commenting on things like that and bleach is in a position where people have idea's of what might happen.

Dande
July 17, 2006, 05:55 PM
I would love GK ten comments in one piece, it would perhaps make it "easier" to make up predictions and/or understand the chapters more..

as for my prediction.. the chapter is dedicated to the buster call and the evacuation, with a few pages for luffy fight and those on the bridge..

venicia777
July 17, 2006, 06:34 PM
heh its kinda funny when naruto and bleach prediction threads have so many ppl disccusing it and one piece doesnt and i know there are shit load one piece fans heh persoanlyy i kinda find it hard to get any prediction cuz of the unpredictiblily of oda
and i think one other thing is that people used to come here for naruto- that hasnt changed much. When you visit One Piece sites like Arlong Park etc- there are soo many posts and predictions that at times you may go crazy. Of course there are OP fans here. But some may have no idea to predict, no desire to predict and some know what is going to happen (like none of the crew members will never die so soon or that they were going to win their fights). So it takes out the sizzle and intrigue from predicting or discussing OP here.

anyways, it is good that at least a few faithfuls like us participate. i would rather have some than me alone posting.

anyways, i am hoping Oda has somebody more intriguing ahead- because the fights finished the way we all expected (the crew won). apart from what i predicted earlier he may concentrate on how crazy or difficult it will be for the crew, franky family, and the giants to escape the BC. Or give us a real treat with Rob Lucci vs Luffy.

Hermie
July 17, 2006, 06:57 PM
Looking at the Naruto threads right now, I don't think I want that sort of activity here. <.<
Too much spamming, off-topicness and flaming. :(




As for predictions, I say the Mugiwara finally kicks the rest of the marines asses, and fully liberate Robin. Then the rest of the chapter will be Luffy's fight, probably a few more succesful attacks by Luffy, before Lucchi starts pulling out special techniques, giving him the edge again.

Bartserk
July 18, 2006, 08:20 AM
People, I don't want to ruin the surprise nor something, but there's one thing that I remembered recently...

Anyone remembers about Dragon? The one who stopped Smoker just before the crew leaving for Grand Line?

I think we're going to see him soon again ;)

C4animax
July 18, 2006, 12:43 PM
I just have something in mind... Usopp still hasn't fight any strong opponent, has he?
And There is only 8 people in CP9, so what if there were a 9th warrior who could fight on long range and so usop would be able to show his strenght in a true fight...
So I'm pretty sure that the next chapter will be an Usopp Show

venicia777
July 18, 2006, 04:07 PM
I just have something in mind... Usopp still hasn't fight any strong opponent, has he?
And There is only 8 people in CP9, so what if there were a 9th warrior who could fight on long range and so usop would be able to show his strenght in a true fight...
So I'm pretty sure that the next chapter will be an Usopp Show
That is a frightening thought!!! I think there is no 9th warrior- wasnt he the one killed by Rob Lucci in the train? Anyways, i hope there is no sniper specialist anywhere.
Usopp has barely recovered from his fight with Luffy and getting beat by CP9? With the way the manga goes we may forget that it hasnt been soo long since they fought. I just pray he doesnt get involved in any fights. The guy is covered in stitches and bandages already!!!

"Holds my hands and prays"

Xenos3421
July 18, 2006, 08:54 PM
Yeah, the 9th "member" of cp9, Nero... he looked like a weasel so he he fit into the zoo scheme. Franky kicked his ass and Lucci killed him.

As for usopp; he can take anybody right now. ten fingered shigan to the chest or not he's not stoping until the very end.

What would be cool is if Spandam's sword funkfreed could reach where usopp is. it be an awesome long range fight. Yeah usopp would let himself get hit by the sword and catch the blade with his impact dial, put the dial in his kabuto or chanel the energy from the impact dial into his shot. Big boom....

I can only imagine....

thejackass98
July 19, 2006, 01:21 AM
heh yup i agree usopp can take crap load of hits

well heres me prediction with the robin trying to run away with franky and might show some evacuation from the marines cuz of the buster call and luffy gear 2 kickin some lucci ass heh after this arc i cant wait for the new bounty
for all the crew members and the new ship hehehehe

C4animax
July 19, 2006, 11:51 AM
That is a frightening thought!!! I think there is no 9th warrior- wasnt he the one killed by Rob Lucci in the train? Anyways, i hope there is no sniper specialist anywhere.
Usopp has barely recovered from his fight with Luffy and getting beat by CP9? With the way the manga goes we may forget that it hasnt been soo long since they fought. I just pray he doesnt get involved in any fights. The guy is covered in stitches and bandages already!!!

"Holds my hands and prays"


even if he is badly injured, He is a member of luffy's crew. Zorro and luffy were also hit by the shigan and yet they are fighting better than ever...

Oda has to show the true power of his new weapon.

afarinah
July 19, 2006, 12:05 PM
People, I don't want to ruin the surprise nor something, but there's one thing that I remembered recently...

Anyone remembers about Dragon? The one who stopped Smoker just before the crew leaving for Grand Line?

I think we're going to see him soon again ;)

Now you mentioned it, he never showed up again after East Blue(that was pretty long2 past chapter).

Bartserk
July 19, 2006, 02:47 PM
Isn't it? ;) I think things are going to get awfully messing in the island, and when they seem like they're caught Dragon will appear to help them escape and the marines will poo in fear lol

Xenos3421
July 19, 2006, 03:41 PM
Nah, what I think is going to be crazy... The 5 vice-admirals like 5 minutes away.

Who do you think they'll send?

kyuubimaster
July 19, 2006, 04:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enies_Lobby_arc
How is this ahead with what is happening, unless this is where the anime is, I wouldn't know as i am not up to date with the anime.

princeandrew01
July 19, 2006, 08:50 PM
Well i think the chapter could take one of a few approaches:

1. Focus on Luffy and have him finish his fight (also considering his gear second doesnt last that long) (bought time dont u guys think!!!!!)

2. Split it half and half with one half being Luffy fight, and the other as to how the straw hat crew are going to escape (guess focus on the buster call too).

3. Forget about Luffy's fight and figure out how robin leaving the bridge to reunite with the rest of the crew.

P.S. If u think about it the straw hat crew kind of stuck inbetween everything, for Robin to go back she will have to wait for Luffy fight to finish cus they all will escape together. Same thing applies if the others going to the bridge.

Dragonzair
July 20, 2006, 02:59 AM
How is this ahead with what is happening, unless this is where the anime is, I wouldn't know as i am not up to date with the anime.

The anime, from what I know is quite close to the manga. XD

Maybe 10-15 episodes behind? Or maybe even less.

Lohnt
July 20, 2006, 05:14 AM
My predictions were right (ignoring dialogue) can I gloat?

Predator
July 20, 2006, 05:21 AM
:blink ..... Whoa! Those Buster Call commanders sure are scary! I wouldn't want to meet tham in a dark alley. :p
And ..... and ... Lucci's gone suicidal! He made a hole in the wall and let the water in! :s

But the good news are that Robin's free, Spandam gets some slapping and Ussop didn't fall along with the tower upper part.

What's next? ...... Are there any options? .... There are!

There might be a Lucci vs. Luffy in full extent finally. Or there might as well be things about Buster Call and lucky escape. Also, there might be some third opition, but I can't think of any right now.

What do you think will be the story next week?

P.S. Wanna One Piece 420 Goodies? Go and get them in The RTS Thread (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6248.0).

Pepius
July 20, 2006, 07:24 AM
Yes fun finally starts here and now.
Also i was thinking that tower that marines shot with canons fall onto undersea coridor and demaged walls and water is commin in now.

Most touching scene yet in OP when Robin crys when she see that Strawhats are actually very very good freinds. IMHO.
Yep i think Water will rpevent laffy and lucci fight and they will escape each on one side.
My main concern is now how the hell will they escape from island ?
By sea train, one that CP9 used to get to island or on Sodoma and Gomora but i think one of them is badly hurt.
Also how will giants get away can they swim?

Dragonzair
July 20, 2006, 09:34 AM
Glaot as much as you want. XD I know how you feel. XD

This chapter was amazing. The double pages rock, and those Vice Admirals are freakkkyyyy. XD Seeing Robin cry is soo tear jerking. T__T I'm just happy for her. XD

kakerukami
July 20, 2006, 02:09 PM
I can't really predict what will happen, but I would really like to see some tie-ins for some of the loose ends that have been hanging for a while. My fanciful predictions are that perhaps the Whitebeards or one of the more "reasonable" marines like Smoker will interupt the Buster Call. I really just want to know more about the Whitebeards. Also what ever happened to the World Governments new appointment for Crocodile's replacement as Shishibukai?

I also hope we learn more about Luffy's new technique in the next chapter. However, I foresee very little continuation of Luffy and Lucci in the next chapter. I think we'll end up seeing more of the Buster Call ships and the escape from Enies Lobby. All in all looking forward to anything!

Batokun
July 20, 2006, 03:04 PM
cant wait till next chapter as for the Shishibukai, i think blackbear wont get it and he will start rampaging or something similar, any predictions on the upcoming bounty of the straw hat pirates??
i think luffy will get like a 300 mill bounty and ussop will get a bigger bounty than sanji, well that would be pretty funny to see

sigmadx
July 20, 2006, 03:09 PM
w00t, we finally know what the gear system is. Luffy is basically imitating Franky's Jet Blast. Man, can't wait to see how the Vice Admirals get involved :D :D

Zaphod
July 20, 2006, 03:24 PM
I’m trying to figure out which direction the Marines are coming in from. Are they coming in through the Gate? Or are they coming from outside the island?

Also, do they plan to steal the transport and go into the gate? Or are they going to try to run away from the gate and island. Now that the Marines destroyed part of the fence, it's possible.

My Prediction: The Marines get tricked into believing Luffy’s crew is dead—killed in the Buster Call. Perhaps they sneak through the gate of justice wearing Marine uniforms. From here, maybe there’s an arc where they have to escape from inside the gate of justice. Later, when they get out, the world is shocked to find Luffy is still alive.

Predator
July 20, 2006, 03:30 PM
:p *sorry, Zaphod for messing up the post location .... I got confused*

I think they come from the inside of the Gate, because the Marine HeadQuaters are there.

My prediction is that Franky takes over the escort ship and Robin fights with the Buster Call. After all the crewmembers are picked up and they make sure that Franky Family and Galley La have escaped as well, they sneak away through the hole in the fence Marines just created OR Robin and Luffy destroy all the Buster Call fleet getting even higher bounties. Anyway their escape route has just been created and they'll go back to Water 7.

Zaphod
July 20, 2006, 03:38 PM
Thanks Predator :eyeroll

They do have friends in Water 7. From there, they could hide-out and get a new ship. But how long is Water 7 under water? I thought they said something like three weeks, but I might be making that up. I wonder: Were they in W7 long enough to set the log? If they didn't, they'll have to go back. I know that they said it takes one week to set the log in w7, but I can't remember how long they were there.

Sai_the_Shaman
July 20, 2006, 03:55 PM
hmmmm, not sure exactly whats gonna happen the next chapter, but I think they'll need to settle Luffy's fights with Lucci and have them start to escape. I dont know, for some odd reason I keep feeling that the Going Merry is somehow gonna save them. I know it was sent out to it's doom, but we never did see it get destroyed. I think Klaubatterman (sp?) or what ever the name of the ships spirit will somehow guide the Going Merry to them and save them for one last time. though that leads me to think with the developments of this chapter "How would the Merry get around the vice admirals?" hmmm... anyhow for my final prediction:

I think the next chapter will be about Luffy and Lucci's fight finishing up (maybe with a gear 3rd) and Luffy running out to meet his crew and the end will be a cliffhanger with the Vice admirals interferring or somthing.

neomaster121
July 20, 2006, 04:18 PM
i think the fight with luffy and lucchi will continue but i think it will end with luffy fainting as nami comes to rescue him after his victory. I think Zoro will lead the attack against the buster call since he has been becomeing slightly more of a leader arc by arc so i think hes going to play a big roll in fightinng the buster call 5 on 5 Zoro, sanji, franky, robin and ussop vs the 5 vice admirals

thejackass98
July 20, 2006, 05:17 PM
cant wait till next chapter as for the Shishibukai, i think blackbear wont get it and he will start rampaging or something similar, any predictions on the upcoming bounty of the straw hat pirates??
i think luffy will get like a 300 mill bounty and ussop will get a bigger bounty than sanji, well that would be pretty funny to see


heh that would be funny but i dont see it happenin cuz they will have sanji's bounty close to zoro cuz he fought jyabura who was 2180 douriki and zoro fought against a guy with 2200

Chebyshev
July 20, 2006, 05:32 PM
Here's what I think will happen next chapter (or within the next couple of chapters).

Zoro and co will find the boat from chp 402 and use that get to the bridge of hesitation.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4328/op40215gs1.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op40215gs1.jpg)

But before that Usopp will use tools and materials from around the dock to quickly build a turntable into the center of the boat, and securately fasten Kabuto to this turntable. Then we'll find out Kabuto has been upgraded with impact or reject dials to give extra force to all its shots, giving Kabuto the power to sink ships. Also key, since Kabuto, which has been securely fastened to the turntable can rotate 360 degrees, Usopp can use the impact dials in Kabuto to quickly propel the boat in any direction away from any danger. Voila, instant extremely mobile rowboat of death :). Rowboat vs. Buster Call ships.... truly a David vs. Goliath.moment :) Also, with Sanji and Zoro on board, Usopp never has to worry about his impact dials running out of 'fuel.'

EvilSniffles
July 20, 2006, 10:15 PM
luffy and the lucci fight will be interrupted and continue later on. is my predicition now to hunt down the scanlation of 420~

EvilSniffles
July 20, 2006, 10:38 PM
in other thread the fight b/w luffy and lucci ends it is a draw, Also I wanna know where the boats came from and what is the deal with the gate for Enies Lobby. is it like a gateway or something and how does it work is it a BIG enclosed Island or such???

Lohnt
July 21, 2006, 06:11 AM
Here's what I think will happen next chapter (or within the next couple of chapters).

Zoro and co will find the boat from chp 402 and use that get to the bridge of hesitation.

But before that Usopp will [insert something complicated here]
well.. yea, sure they could.. or they could just..
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/refii/op40215gs1-1.jpg
I dunno.. just a thought...

I think Luffy and Luccis fight will be interupted due to the collapsing tunnel.
I would like for the VA's to do something unexpected.. like cuffing Spandam and walking away.. then as the SH look relieved they mention "we never said the BC was stopping" and the ships continued attacking as soon as the VA's returned to their boats. Or something badass like that.

I honestly feel we've had enough fighting for one arc.. I would much MUCH rather have some character development for future enemies, especially if this development includes everyone except Luffy.. You know.. he could always go fight a Shichibukai while the rest of the crew fights VA's or something.

I think the VA's not fighting, and the SH somehow escaping the BC without the BC chasing them (something like "we got what Aokiji asked us to bring let them go") and allowing for this really long arc to end would be ideal. The Marines aren't bad guys, not all of them at least, if they see no reason to kill the SH I'm sure certain marines wouldn't ala Smoker.
Plus I really want them to get a ship again, all this Marines, Douriki, Sea Train stuff is getting really boring.. it wasn't! but after Zoro and Sanji ended their fights I hoped it meant the conclusion would come soon, instead now we have BC and even more of a story to tell *sigh* when are we gonna get to Raftel the way things are going huh?

EvilSniffles
July 21, 2006, 07:21 PM
that boat you ponted out, well luffy used it and it got trashed. Now the waters near the gater are calm so you can use teh boat, but no boat :/

Usoppking
July 22, 2006, 12:37 AM
but they didn't say the boat was trashed, just that Luffy couldn't use it

Dogolath
July 22, 2006, 02:13 AM
There could be other boats nearby. With the whirlpools gone doesn't that sort of suggest rowing across as a possible means of escape?

neomaster121
July 22, 2006, 03:24 AM
I think Oda is going to explain Zoro's new attacks as well as elabourate on sanji's attack and make franky fight harder. Robin will have her fight since she hasn't had one this entire arc and ussop will loose the mask dueing a fight and still be able to act like a man (so he will think himself worthy of being a strawhat) the fight where he would loose the mask would be against a vice admiral. I think all 5 Strawhats will each take on a admiral with nami destroying the rest of the ships.

Xenos3421
July 22, 2006, 08:40 AM
I think the start of the chapter will go into the buster call and after they get to a good stoping point it'll switch back to finish the Luffy v Lucci fight. Or lead to a to be continued moment and finished in 422.

My guess is luffy hits him with gear 3 and sends him flying. Like always.

Dogolath
July 22, 2006, 10:24 AM
Nami and the others will escape the flooding by finding another passage with a door that can seal off the water. This passage will lead them to a room where they discover a machine is behind the waterfall. They destroy this machine, destroying the waterfall, fillining the hole, creating a way to return to the main island.

thejackass98
July 22, 2006, 11:07 AM
I think Oda is going to explain Zoro's new attacks as well as elabourate on sanji's attack and make franky fight harder. Robin will have her fight since she hasn't had one this entire arc and ussop will loose the mask dueing a fight and still be able to act like a man (so he will think himself worthy of being a strawhat) the fight where he would loose the mask would be against a vice admiral. I think all 5 Strawhats will each take on a admiral with nami destroying the rest of the ships.


heh i was just thinkin about the the vice admiral fight theres a big possiblity with the straw hats takin em on and for me prediction its goin to be more about luffy vs lucci and en the end lil bit of the buster calls......

and for the escape thing wasnt there a marine ship near the gate of justice where the marines that were goin to escort robin through the gate

Dogolath
July 22, 2006, 11:14 AM
I don't see how they can escape with that ship now. The BC ships are just gonna blow it up when they see it like how they blew up that civilian ship back in Ohara cause there was like a really small chance a scholar may be on board. To accomplish the mission, whatever it may be, everything must be destroyed... in the name of ultimate justice or some crap.

EvilSniffles
July 22, 2006, 12:56 PM
but they didn't say the boat was trashed, just that Luffy couldn't use it


nope it was trashed. luffy tried to cross the waters with it and he was hanging on to one of the pieces of it. the girl with the rabbit cat saved him with rope.[br]Posted on: July 22, 2006, 12:53:48 PM_________________________________________________

I don't see how they can escape with that ship now. The BC ships are just gonna blow it up when they see it like how they blew up that civilian ship back in Ohara cause there was like a really small chance a scholar may be on board. To accomplish the mission, whatever it may be, everything must be destroyed... in the name of ultimate justice or some crap.

that ultimate justice destroy everything was done by the past vice-admiral now admiral red dog something. he ordered the attack on the ship, even when it was granted amensty.

kakerukami
July 22, 2006, 01:25 PM
Does anyone think that Pluton might be integrated into the escape? Or do you think that this is too far-fetched/impossible?

As cool as it would be to see the Vice-Admirals fight with the SHs, I think it would take too much time and would be awkward since Vice-Admirals are rather important. Throwing them in for a quick escape fight seems wasteful, and I would assume Oda would prefer to save such a significant fight for another arc. I figure it'll be more like a quick glimpse of the VAs, like the quick glimpse of Aokiji or Smoker. Rather than another string of fights, it seems more likely for them to create some sort of elaborate escape scheme.

It almost seems impossible for the other occupants of Enies Lobby (besides the SHs) to escape alive since there is such a great opposing force. The only way the others could possibly make it out is if another equally great force opposed the Buster Call. This is partly why I speculate (/hope) Pluton (or an equally powerful ship) or the Whitebeards make an appearance. Of course it seems really far-fetched.

EvilSniffles
July 22, 2006, 01:31 PM
I just had a thought occur when you mentioned pluton. Iceberg comes in on the ship that Franky built. The ship that franky was talking about getting back with the money they got. that's the only way I can see them outmanveuring the buster call attack. The ship being Pluton since franky would build it and iceberg would confiscate it to protect it.

Dogolath
July 22, 2006, 01:51 PM
that ultimate justice destroy everything was done by the past vice-admiral now admiral red dog something. he ordered the attack on the ship, even when it was granted amensty.


I would say it was more of an innocent time back then for the WG as they didn't have the Great Pirate Age to worry about. Now I would say they're even more corrupt and more firmly under the principle of ultimate justice.

Anyway, you have 5 Vice Admirals. Anyone of those VC's could be an ultimate justice maniac and order the ship blown up, Plus wouldn't you say the Buster Call is the ultimate form of ultimate justice? BC = destroy everything to accomplish the mission. The Buster Call ships don't even know why they've been ordered to blow up Eneas Lobby, an important World Government island stationed by fellow marines. They're just there to blow everything up all because a stupid someone pushed a button. They don't even try to evacuate any marines, they just start blowing things up the first chance they get again all because someone pushed a button. How are you going to get amnesty from that, especially when they have no way of communicating directly with the Buster Call ships? Besides I think the only who would be able to grant amnesty would be Aokiji anyway, since everyone thinks Aokiji ordered the BC. They don't know what his mission is - of course they don't cause Aokiji never ordered the BC - but since they've been ordered to Buster Call Eneas Lobby they have to do it thoroughly and destroy everything, lest they risk failure of Aokiji's mission, whatever it may be.

EvilSniffles
July 22, 2006, 03:42 PM
the amnesty was ordered by someone in the WG during ohara incident to protect the actual innoncent cilivians, but someone decided to blow it up for the fear of escaping researchers :/ the times were never really ever innoncent persay. Pirates were still around. Just the strong pirates were starting to work their way up the food chain ladder in power. Admiral Aokiji sense of justice is different from that of the WG otherwise why would he let Robin leave with luffy. The WG is ran by the 5 old dudes who have their own propaganda. and are using the marines/navy as a means to extract that propaganda. [br]Posted on: July 22, 2006, 03:41:10 PM_________________________________________________oh yeah the BC is just a blind destroy attack like you said, but it can be controled before hand with who not to hit or such. This is done by the individual VA on their ships. Well this is what I think.

Dogolath
July 22, 2006, 04:43 PM
Anyway, I'm just going by what we saw of Ohara and all the things Robin has been saying of the Buster Call up until now. That is with the Buster Call it doesn't matter if you're friend or foe. It's a rutheless weapon that will destroy you and everything else, all to accomplish the mission. If the BC ends up letting the ship go and not at least try to destroy it then that would make it seem like Robin was blowing things way out of a proportion and would kind of make her a liar.

EvilSniffles
July 22, 2006, 05:03 PM
well, I wouldn't call her a liar. I just like to think that the BC has some control, not much but some.

hyper_megaman
July 23, 2006, 01:54 AM
w00t, we finally know what the gear system is. Luffy is basically imitating Franky's Jet Blast. Man, can't wait to see how the Vice Admirals get involved :D :D
er no..
that was a mistranslation wasn't it?

the real translation was about increasing blood flow throughout the whole body using the leg motion as a pump, and that only a rubber body could take a blood flow that high

which could explain the heat, the sudden rush of oxygen and nutrients to all parts of the body, must have revved up his metabolism a lot, not to mention his sudden need for food after using gear 2 against blueno

Siru
July 25, 2006, 08:27 AM
To tell you the truth, I hope the Straw Hat Pirates do escape but they like get seperated into 2 or 3 groups? Most likely Luffy finishes his fight with Lucci fast with Gear 3 but then he has 0 time to find the others so he has to leave by himself. Maybe Luffy finds a small pod or small boat to set sail on.

FLFC
July 25, 2006, 08:56 AM
To tell you the truth, I hope the Straw Hat Pirates do escape but they like get seperated into 2 or 3 groups? Most likely Luffy finishes his fight with Lucci fast with Gear 3 but then he has 0 time to find the others so he has to leave by himself. Maybe Luffy finds a small pod or small boat to set sail on.


I don´t think that´s possible, i mean the whole idea is that Luffy wants to save ALL of his nakama, so he would never escape alone. It´s either everyone gets saved or no one will leave.

C4animax
July 25, 2006, 11:53 AM
Vice amiral is just under aokji... so it would mean not too far in strengh and for me it semms a little to much for the crew for now.
for the history of luffy's bounty... that's not possible that it would exceed 250million since one of the shikibukai is 280, and oda wouldn't let luffy someone who is weaker than him.
and last point, the crew has just shown up their new power (zorro, sanji, usopp, nami and of course luffy) so there is no way any of them get stronger just now, so I don't think luffy will use any 3rd gear.

Obito
July 25, 2006, 08:17 PM
er no..
that was a mistranslation wasn't it?

the real translation was about increasing blood flow throughout the whole body using the leg motion as a pump, and that only a rubber body could take a blood flow that high

which could explain the heat, the sudden rush of oxygen and nutrients to all parts of the body, must have revved up his metabolism a lot, not to mention his sudden need for food after using gear 2 against blueno


I believe the correct term was that Luffy was using his legs like a pump to increase the flow of oxygen. A normal person couldn't do this because the blood pressure would be too intense and their heart would explode. However with a body and heart made of rubber it could easily be done.

Charybde
July 25, 2006, 11:59 PM
I just have something in mind... Usopp still hasn't fight any strong opponent, has he?
And There is only 8 people in CP9, so what if there were a 9th warrior who could fight on long range and so usop would be able to show his strenght in a true fight...
So I'm pretty sure that the next chapter will be an Usopp Show


Well if i remember well the most skillfull sniper we met so far is one of BlackBeard's mate just before the Straw Hat get to Sky Island. What about a clash with BlackBeard's crew next arc ? ;)

Charybde
July 26, 2006, 12:22 AM
Since we got an explanation for Luffy's gear 2 all the smoke stuff and legs transform make sense.
Any guess for gear 3 now ? I can't figure it out... It seems to be some kind of body contraction... Which could maybe still increase efficiency of blood flow by reducing vessel length ? Or smaller muscles need less oxygen to contract so smaller body gets more powerful with the same amount of blood ??
Anyway it would imply Luffy now mastered his rubber abilities even to cellular level ! Mmm maybe i'm thinking too much...

alazim
July 26, 2006, 01:37 AM
i think da next chapter will only focus on luffy vs lucchi fight..maybe in the end it will show little bit about the BC ship..
about the SH's will fight with the vice admiral..it will not happen..
all the crew just finish an insane fight..how could they have another fight..
iceberg will come and safe the SH's or they will use marine ship to escape from the island.. ;)

venicia777
July 26, 2006, 02:00 AM
what an interesting suggestion. Thats why i dont want to even think about it. One piece sure has such a long way to go. Just imagine all the strong guys out there- shichibukai, admirals, blackbeard and crew, etc etc. Luffy may have to get stronger than the gear levels we are seeing now if he intends to protect everyone on the crew. But i guess usopp (sniperking) can handle himself. he already handled a shigan. then again i dont think lucci wanted to kill him at that time either- just like how they captured franky.

Xenos3421
July 26, 2006, 10:53 AM
Well if i remember well the most skillfull sniper we met so far is one of BlackBeard's mate just before the Straw Hat get to Sky Island. What about a clash with BlackBeard's crew next arc ? ;)

Pure Sound Cloud Ouga, he's the blackbeard's marksman.

Since the blackbeard's are looking for people with high bounties they might hust the strawhats down finally. Who knows.

princeandrew01
July 26, 2006, 05:06 PM
I think the next chapter will focus on luffy vs lucchi (maybe a gear 3rd) cuz luffy fight needs to finish and i dont think that the rest of the strawhat crew will escape without their captain. I think after nami and co find out that the thing is getting flooded they will either double back and go use a boat topside (since the swirls have calmed down + nami) or they will rush forward to try and get luffy to go with them at which point luffy fight will be almost (if not) done. As for the buster call, i think we will see more of the island getting pretty destroyed, then hopefully we will see a miraculous escape (or a horrific cliffhanger).

P.S. I dont remember who, but someone was trying to guess bounties for the strawhat crew. Well lets see:

Luffy >= 250 million
Zoro >= 200 Million
Sanji >= 200 Million
Ussop >= 150 Million
Nami >= 150 Million
Chopper >= 150 Million
Robin >= 150 Million (or maybe 200 Million since she escaped again)

Semizero
July 26, 2006, 06:04 PM
We still don't know how if ussop is even going to rejoin the crew and he had the mask on and no one really saw him up close so there's still a chance he won't get a bounty.

destinator
July 26, 2006, 06:13 PM
We still don't know how if ussop is even going to rejoin the crew and he had the mask on and no one really saw him up close so there's still a chance he won't get a bounty.


He will join back for sure...I mean its ussop!!!! The strawhat crew wouldnt be the same without him...about the bounties, arent they a bit too high? Almost 7 gods of the sea level o.O

thejackass98
July 27, 2006, 03:44 AM
I think the next chapter will focus on luffy vs lucchi (maybe a gear 3rd) cuz luffy fight needs to finish and i dont think that the rest of the strawhat crew will escape without their captain. I think after nami and co find out that the thing is getting flooded they will either double back and go use a boat topside (since the swirls have calmed down + nami) or they will rush forward to try and get luffy to go with them at which point luffy fight will be almost (if not) done. As for the buster call, i think we will see more of the island getting pretty destroyed, then hopefully we will see a miraculous escape (or a horrific cliffhanger).

P.S. I dont remember who, but someone was trying to guess bounties for the strawhat crew. Well lets see:

Luffy >= 250 million
Zoro >= 200 Million
Sanji >= 200 Million
Ussop >= 150 Million
Nami >= 150 Million
Chopper >= 150 Million
Robin >= 150 Million (or maybe 200 Million since she escaped again)


luffy sanji and zoro bounty mabey reasonable but nami and ussop is kinda high cuz i would say it would be under 100 and possibly chopper would be higher than both of em cuz of the big moster dude thing he did

alazim
July 27, 2006, 03:49 AM
We still don't know how if ussop is even going to rejoin the crew and he had the mask on and no one really saw him up close so there's still a chance he won't get a bounty.


usop for sure will come back n join the SH's pirate..n only usop their snipper..after all the SH's crew are mix from variaty of porsonalities that make it intresting..n hope that their new crew member will be franky..after their really need someone to maintain their ship..n franky the only person that match with SH..
about the bounty..it to high for them right now.. :blink

Dragonzair
July 27, 2006, 06:06 AM
One Piece goodies (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6597.0)
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Cover: Smexy Robin with Koalas FTW! XD

Chapter starts with the Marines starting the Buster Call. The others are trying to find a way out. LOL at Zoro and Sanji carrying Sogeking. He must've used up all his energy in that jump in the last chapter (plus broken ribs) <3

Nami and co. are running in one way, with the water right behind them, and Zoro, Sanji and Sogeking are headaed their way.

As pocketmofo put it:

--water--> ---Nami and Co.---> <-----Zoro/Sanji/Sogeking-----



---->BAM/SPLASH/"NAMI-SWAN!!!"<----

:omg

Scene then changes back to the much awaited Luffy vs Lucci fight, and Luffy finally surprises us by using Gear 3!!! Blowing up his arm, and punching Lucci far away! Does this mean the end of the fight, like all other wins Luffy's managed?

Or is Lucci going to return? No idea! That's for you people to predict away! Try not to spam. ^_^

Jatalu
July 27, 2006, 07:45 AM
I personally thought this chapter was done very well. I was hoping to hear the secret of Kabuto, but I'm ok with how it went down. Lucci seems so terrifyingly strong that I'm not convinced this one giant rubber punch is going to do him in... feels like a Geppou is coming on.

I hope the next chapter slows the explosions down and shows some individual dialogue of the vice admirals. I'd like to see how each of them is reacting to this swathe of violence. I mean, seriously, they are blowing the whole freakin place up! Maybe Oda didn't feel like drawing their awesome facial hair this week! XD

Xenos3421
July 27, 2006, 10:34 AM
Gear 3 turned out to be Akamichi Choji's multi-size limb jitstu. Oda a thief!

Na j/k, I figgured it'd'bee something that made his arm huge.

Great chapter.... And on my birthday too.

EvilSniffles
July 27, 2006, 02:20 PM
see his ability just doesn't make his arm huge. He can make any part of his body huge. or large to a certain extent.

Jatalu
July 27, 2006, 02:21 PM
see his ability just doesn't make his arm huge. He can make any part of his body huge. or large to a certain extent.


Somehow, somewhere, crazy doujinshi artists are validified for their actions regarding luffy. And if you don't understand what I said, you're a young'in. =P

EvilSniffles
July 27, 2006, 02:24 PM
That's the thing, so far I have seen few doujins using any DF that much in the mangas >_> and no I am no youg'in as you so eolqivolcay stated....I need a dictionary. A walking one too.

Gold Knight
July 27, 2006, 02:37 PM
Attaboy Luffy! Way to go showin' Lucci's what's what! XD

rennokun
July 27, 2006, 04:13 PM
Gear 3 is multi-size jutsu. kinda look like zoro technique as well the twin gorilla getting air to the arm to make it huge.

rennokun
July 27, 2006, 04:16 PM
hmmmmmmm i wonder if luffy gona be turned into a little kid again after using 3rd gear. abiously Lucci wont lose from one punch. the next chapter will be lil Luffy vs Lucci

EvilSniffles
July 27, 2006, 05:05 PM
there is no jutsu in op.....never state the word with op....and the heck is up with that avatar?!

Kickmeister
July 27, 2006, 05:48 PM
in other thread the fight b/w luffy and lucci ends it is a draw, Also I wanna know where the boats came from and what is the deal with the gate for Enies Lobby. is it like a gateway or something and how does it work is it a BIG enclosed Island or such???


It's like.. On the other side of that gate you can either go to the Marine HQ or that bigass prison/execution center called Impel Down.. And I guess those ships came from the Marine HQ

Xenos3421
July 27, 2006, 07:55 PM
Well, I had some time to look at it...Luffy looks like he's doing the same thing he was for gear 2 (using his legs to pump air into his blood), just 100x faster. That's why it's the same name just 1 higher, it's a step up in the same kind of attack.

He bites into his thumb and blows air into-and I know this sounds weird but go with me on this- his bones(and viens). He has rubber bones that are stretchy like rubber, but as hard as bones. Then foces it all to one side and attacks with a giant bone fist....ouch.

Luffy could take out battleships with an attack like that.

btw, What the opinion of lucci? Did the giant pistol take him out or is he still kickin'?

fire breather
July 27, 2006, 09:16 PM
it is just like heat fist the way it looks

k3ng_404
July 27, 2006, 09:20 PM
Nah, the Giant Pistol can't have taken out Lucci so easily.. that would make Luffy's fight wayyyy too short. Besides, it might also show that Luffy would be alot and alot greater than his enemy, which never has been the case. He's only usually a tiny edge above them when he beats em.

What I want to see is a Gear 3 Gomu Gomu Bell attack. Luffy inflates his head and smacks Lucci for all it's worth. Gosh, that'll be cool. A new meaning to the term 'light headed'.

Daijobu
July 27, 2006, 09:53 PM
hmmmmmmm i wonder if luffy gona be turned into a little kid again after using 3rd gear. abiously Lucci wont lose from one punch. the next chapter will be lil Luffy vs Lucci


I dont think so, I bet he just turns back to normal again. Gear 3 seems like a size changing technique using air compression. Luffy can let it in (Giganto Pistol) or out (Chibi Luffy).

As for a prediction, I think we've just hit the arc's big climax and were going to see a lot more running/escaping. However I have no qualms about being wrong about the climax :smile-big personally can't wait until Ussop/Sogeking tells Chopper and Luffy how he broke 20 of his ribs :-)

EvilSniffles
July 27, 2006, 09:57 PM
no lucci is still in the fight, he has geppou. On note I still think the match will end in a draw. Just for some reason I see that happening.

Mr.Prince
July 28, 2006, 12:00 AM
Soru + Geppou = Flying.

There ya go, Lucchi is back in the fight and will use full leopard mode to fight back at Luffy because he will be exhausted and chibi. Such begins, Lucchi's rokushiki combination ownage. 3 more chapters!

Other Highlights:
- Nami and Zoro's group meets up and Zoro and Sanji defy physics and push the water backwards.
- They join up with Robin and Franky
- Chapter ends with the VAs getting off of their ships to begin more beautiful fights.

Semizero
July 28, 2006, 12:56 AM
Flooding
I actually think nami will evaporate all the water or maybe sanji and zoro will work together and come up with an attack of their own like luffy and zoro

Ussop coming back?
Ussop will rejoin under some kind of loophole so he doesn't feel like he's going back on his word about leaving

Luffy Fight
Lucci may be finished but more possibly he will recover from the giant pistol and luffy may put his body under incredible stress to launch a kickass final attack, maybe a new technique while still in gear 3.

natli
July 28, 2006, 02:34 AM
If gear 3 is just a step up from gear 2 then maybe when Luffy turns into a midget it is just an after-effect of all those gears?

Sentou Ryoku
July 28, 2006, 02:25 PM
Luffy looks like he pulled a Chouji in Gear 3. Hilarious

midnight789
July 28, 2006, 05:46 PM
I actually think Lucci is done, because if luffy doesnt hurry up and get out of there he's going to be blown up from the buster call. I'm still not sure how they are going to escape, or how the franky family/paulie will escape for that matter. Anywho, i guess they better think of something real quick before they all get blown the hell up.

thejackass98
July 28, 2006, 07:28 PM
ok well one piece is still being unpredictable as always ........ dont know if lucci was defeated by that punch or he did
ahhhh cant think of any thing to predict.........uhhh more admirals thing.....lil more robin and franky........ escaping thing........ bounty

hyper_megaman
July 28, 2006, 09:00 PM
franky could coup de vent the whole tunnel couldn't he? sanji could evaporate the water with his hot kick too, zoro could use wind attacks to push it back

or perhaps they'd run? lol

near
July 29, 2006, 11:20 AM
Somehow, somewhere, crazy doujinshi artists are validified for their actions regarding luffy. And if you don't understand what I said, you're a young'in. =P


rofl

DesiSkull
July 30, 2006, 03:28 AM
hehe you guys have guessed pretty much all&#160; i could think of.. so ima let the next chapter surprise me..&#160; though.. i would like to bring something up.. chopper.. we learnt that what happens when he intakes 3 rumbles balls.. i wonder in near distant future of manga one piece.. he learns to control that transformations.. man that would be awesome.. i really get the feeling for it..

P.S.&#160; ima new member..

Mogeking
July 30, 2006, 02:17 PM
What if Nami creates a huge bubble of air and the rest of the crew gets inside and floats up to help luffy? then chopper coulg go into monster mode and then help luffy and then get thrown in the water and be ok again...i dunno...im ranting

alazim
July 30, 2006, 09:30 PM
hmmmmmmm i wonder if luffy gona be turned into a little kid again after using 3rd gear. abiously Lucci wont lose from one punch. the next chapter will be lil Luffy vs Lucci


yap..absolutely lucci will not lose from one attack..if he lose in one attack i thinnk it will be really bad..it show huge diiferent in power between luffy n lucci..that will not happen, because usually luffy will win with very hard and not that easy..
but from previous chapter show that luffy will shrink after using gear 3..
so how he will fight with lucci agian.. :notrust

Menner
July 30, 2006, 11:25 PM
Ive been thinking about this chapter.... everyone knows about the strong will luffy has ;)
His loyalty, will and "Gear 3" should kick that luccis azz :amuse :p

Nami and Co and sanji,zoro,usopp shall meet each other and run back in panic.
BUT after they have run a while they will get tired of it so sanji and zoro will do something about it ^^


that what i think but u never know :)

venicia777
July 31, 2006, 01:49 AM
I actually think Lucci is done, because if luffy doesnt hurry up and get out of there he's going to be blown up from the buster call. I'm still not sure how they are going to escape, or how the franky family/paulie will escape for that matter. Anywho, i guess they better think of something real quick before they all get blown the hell up.
AH!!! you share my anxiety and tension. Luffy has no food supplies to replenish his energy. Kokoro-chimney-chopper-sanji and co have to find another route to get to the others. and chopper cant swim in that sea water. Luffy is now in the open so he is more vulnerable to attacks from the ships if he is sighted. and then comes in the franky troupe, oimo and kaashi. And lets not forget sodom and gomorrah- those gigantic kingbulls.
How are they gonna get out? Omoshiroi!! this is why i love ODA-sensei. I cant wait for what he will pull off. as for lucci- although i am sure he underestimated the power of gear 3- with geppou i dont think he is going to fall into the sea or he is done.

zerochiten
July 31, 2006, 11:44 PM
My prediction is friends from past chapters will show up and save the day, since everyone in the crew is at their limit. Perhaps, Shanks, Ace or even Bon Clay's crew :p? Off topic for a while... Anyone remember that piece of paper Ace gave Luffy? Nami sew it on to the band on luffy's hat so he wouldn't lose it. Been a long time so manybe I forgot, but have they releaved what it was for? Maybe its a tracking device of some sort?

venicia777
August 01, 2006, 12:05 AM
oh yeah!!! bon clay-sama is the only one i really want to see. the guy gives such a warm and funny feeling feeling. and of course his crew too. He is even funnier than Franky and his crazy dances/song. and The guy is already a certified mugiwara crew member- so to speak. the only issue i see is how will he be furnished with the information of the crews whereabouts? and even if he does get to know, how well will his crew fare against the 5 vice admirals or maneuver around them and in which direction, Since the crew is basically at the other end of the island at the moment

alazim
August 01, 2006, 01:36 AM
i really hope that after this fight..oda wil show little bit about red hair and ace..i really want to know about their bounty..especially red hair..even gov also afraid with red hair..if im not mistaken shanks don't have any devil fruit power because he can swim and save luffy when he drown.. :p

Jammer
August 01, 2006, 03:43 AM
luffy blowing air into his bones = gear 3
then probably the aftereffect of gear 3 is the air going out of his bones - hence he becomes chibi - and it lasts some time for the usual amount of air to get back in - rebalancing or something - i think lucci won't last after that hit - he was smashed between luffy's fist AND the walls after all :) and will probably fall into the water

nami, usopp, zorro, sanji - they'll meet inside the tunnel and could destroy it to swim to the surfce where there are no more whirlpools (stopped by opening the gate of justice)
and all of them could swim (except broken-rib-usopp maybe hehe..) cause the're not DF users. but i think i am missing something - where was chopper left, are they leaving him behind - not like 'abandoning' but forgetting him for a while?

Usoppking
August 01, 2006, 10:24 AM
Chopper has been tied to Kokoro's Hat

DesiSkull
August 01, 2006, 12:30 PM
hahah yeh .. chopperz been tied up at kokoro's hat... she been running around like that last chapter.. i say u download the chapter again and check out.. its pretty funny.. lol


PS.. PS... i watchd episode 273 last night.. of one piece.. and zoro uses this attack in the main courthouse.. " Enbima Yonezu" i hope i got the spellin right.. but could anyone of you tell me what it means in english.. it wasnt translated.. thanks..

Usoppking
August 01, 2006, 10:00 PM
well, if you re arrange how the words are put together, you get enbi mayonezu onigiri

or something like Mayonnaise Shrimp Rice ball or something of that sort

Jammer
August 02, 2006, 12:26 AM
yay, just checked it out :) chopper is cool over there - it'd be funnier him to be conscious and screaming because of the coming water (that could happen actualy cause i think it's about time that he comes to his senses :) )

PS. about latest anime ep - i checked a [NULL] scanlation of the chapter and it's like that:
enbima = alluring beauty devil
yonezu = nocturnal

DesiSkull
August 02, 2006, 03:34 AM
@usoppking
@jammer
thanks for the translate...

and im positive that what JAMMER said about chopper coming back to it and seeing the water and screaming.. it would be hella funny.. i can even imagine it lmao...

PS when is the next chapter suppose to come out.. it seems like i been waiting over a week .. or is it just me =]..

rennokun
August 02, 2006, 04:35 AM
any prediction on Gear 4 if luffy is to have 1

hyper_megaman
August 02, 2006, 07:35 AM
blow air into his butt, using the 2 big lumps to sandwich and smush u

SPROSH! good attack power with little energy needs[br]Posted on: August 02, 2006, 07:24:46 AM_________________________________________________wait a minute. if luffy can blow air into his bones, can't he tread water now?

he can blow air into his feet.. and bring this battle into the ocean centre itself

imagine a geppou user swirling all around a giant arm who's walking in the middle of the ocean, that's exciting.. whoah lol[br]Posted on: August 02, 2006, 07:31:52 AM_________________________________________________

Well, I had some time to look at it...Luffy looks like he's doing the same thing he was for gear 2 (using his legs to pump air into his blood), just 100x faster. That's why it's the same name just 1 higher, it's a step up in the same kind of attack.

He bites into his thumb and blows air into-and I know this sounds weird but go with me on this- his bones(and viens). He has rubber bones that are stretchy like rubber, but as hard as bones. Then foces it all to one side and attacks with a giant bone fist....ouch.

Luffy could take out battleships with an attack like that.

btw, What the opinion of lucci? Did the giant pistol take him out or is he still kickin'?
i thought it was said his gear 2 was speeding up of blood flow using his legs as a pump? that's like speeding up nutrient supply to body parts, but u use up all nutrients quicker

pumping air to blood would kill u.. that's why luffy only does it to his bones..

DesiSkull
August 02, 2006, 11:42 AM
Lucci cant be done.. they wouldnt finish the main fight which they made us wait for it.. that easily.... tht was just a wwarm to the fight is still to come... Gear 3 will have more than one way of being used.. depending on the situation it will be used differently.. we probably see that in near future manga chapters... about Gear4.. im not sure if there is gonna be one... that would be just boring i think.. but its probbly gonna be some other way of him making himself stronger... Gear2 and Gear3.. thts it i think...

Semizero
August 02, 2006, 09:44 PM
it's usually every thursday...

so tomorrow :O

sadly I'll be going to phili from tomorrow till friday so I gotta wait even longer ;-;[br]Posted on: August 02, 2006, 03:21:26 PM_________________________________________________oh yeah, what happens in the next chapter was posted on wikipedia

SPOILERS
The scene then changes back to a marine asking a Vice-Admiral on how to handle the capture of Nico Robin. The Vice-Admiral tells him to leave her and begins to tell about Lucci's past. Sometime, 15 years ago, an incident happened where 500 soldiers were captured on an island by pirates. The pirate’s captain wanted to become the king of the island in return for sparing the soldiers lives. Just as the island was about to fall, the World Government sent a boy to the island. The boy infiltrated the pirate's hideout and killed the 500 soldiers on the spot. The pirates, infuriated, then began to shoot at the boy. The boy emerged from the explosions and killed the pirate's captain and ended the incident. That boy who had many bullet wound scars, at the age of 13, became a member of CP9 and has since been there serving justice from the darkness and became the strongest and coldest killing machine since CP9’s inception. The marines hearing the story became frightened with fear. He tells the marines that as long as that man is here assisting in the escorting of Nico Robin, they don't need to act and will do nothing until all but the Bridge of Hesitation is destroyed. The scene changes again to Zoro, Sanji and Usopp(Sogeking). Usopp starts hearing the sound of water when all three sees Nami, Kokoro(with Chopper on her hat), Chimney, and Gonbe running away from the rushing water. The water begins filling up the passage and sucks all of them in.

Lucci, who had just gotten hit by Gomu Gomu no Giganto Pistol, feels faint and lands on one of the marine's ships. Lucci returns to human form and it shows him having scars on his back. Luffy then crashes into the ship with a Gomu Gomu no Rocket and starts the fight with Lucci again. He attacks Lucci with a Gomu Gomu no Giganto Axe and Lucci manages to dodge it, as he turns into his complete animal form and bites Luffy. Luffy escapes by blowing himself up, while Lucci returns to his human form. Luffy tries to hit Lucci with a Gomu Gomu no Giganto Whip but Lucci dodges it and destroys the mast of the ship. Lucci hits Luffy with a shigan, while revealing that Luffy's speed decreases as his strength increases. The ship's iron brackets are starting to split, while Lucci laughs boldly. A Vice-Admiral notices Lucci and Luffy fighting and tells all the ships to target the ship they're on. He tells them that if it's Lucci, then he will survived. A marine objects about the idea, saying that 1000 of their allies are aboard on the ship. The Vice-Admiral kills the marine, asking if he can protect the future from a criminal with his weakness. The ships begin firing and the ship that Luffy and Lucci is on, is hit and starts sinking.

end of spoilers
if you can read that because your text size is really big I'm sorry...

rennokun
August 02, 2006, 09:51 PM
like the spoiler

venicia777
August 02, 2006, 11:01 PM
IF I were Oda-sensei i would either let Gear 4 come now when they are facing one of their greatest crisis if not the worst they have ever faced or come soo much more later. ... 5 vice Admirals each with at least a thousand crew under their command(is this an exageration)- 10 ships with enough fire power to destroy an entire island. and Luffy has done the worst possible- acutally gone to one of their most cherished and important bases, desecrated their flag, etc etc. and even worse still his actions may free the two sources for the rebirth of the great ancient weapons. They will pull heaven to earth to kill the whole crew- that is the WG's justice. the crew needs serious help- and if gear 4 may be it- so be it. Or somebody like iceburg san will have to come in and offer aid- i expect him there anyways.

anyways, as at now like i have already stated cp9 has really made the crew stronger in almost every aspect.Most importantly they have given each of them the best testing emotionally and strengthwise that they could wish for after the Aokoji encounter. Heck, even luffy learnt a little bit by copying soru mechanics for gear 2.




if luffy can blow air into his bones, can't he tread water now?

he can blow air into his feet.. and bring this battle into the ocean centre itself

imagine a geppou user swirling all around a giant arm who's walking in the middle of the ocean, that's exciting.. whoah


i really dont expect lucci to be anywhere done- that will be too anticlimatic. But luffy- i wonder- will he chase after lucci since he said he wasnt letting lucci out of his sight? if he does then he must learn to walk on water :p that sure will be great and cool. i guess for a rubberman- that is possible- ahh the properties of rubber. i wont be surprised if luffy actually learns most of the rokushiki techniques- rubbers attributes if mastered can lead to that. if he could make his gear 3 soo powerful and strong- he may be able to do tekkai and shigan very soon.

alazim
August 03, 2006, 01:21 AM
it is posibble that lucci can servive luffy gear 3..and fight again..but can luffy still still will win with lucci if he became small..hope that oda will come up with gear 4 that will take advantage of small luffy in this fight..
i don't think that luffy can use gear 3 for along time and at will right now..after all this the 1st time luffy use gear 3 in fight..this gear for sure consume more energy than gear 2..
hope that we can see gear 4 after dis.. :o

Brede
August 03, 2006, 06:07 AM
Maybe its a tracking device of some sort?

could well be. we've seen stranger thing than that in the OP world :)



blow air into his butt, using the 2 big lumps to sandwich and smush u

That's disgusting! Maybe a giant fart instead, like Franky :smile-big



if luffy can blow air into his bones, can't he tread water now?

he can blow air into his feet.. and bring this battle into the ocean centre itself

i don't think so. the DF abilities would 'stop' functioning the minute he hits the water. remember how Franky threw Chopper into the sea to bring him out from the DF state? :amuse

DesiSkull
August 03, 2006, 12:27 PM
@ Maze...
I dont think there is gonna be a gear4.. it would make things too predictable.. however in order for OP crew to make it outta there.. they will get some unexpeted help.. from who or where.. it hard to predict..
and instead of getting Gear4.. luffy will get stronger some other way.. or find a way to defeat lucci with something else.. if not with Gear3.. while in battle.. tht is where he uses his head the most..
so hez gonna figure something out.. like a weakpoint of lucci.. or wait until he drops gaurd and finish him once and for all with gear3... i doubt it very much that ther is gonna be GEAR4...

Sir Whirly
August 03, 2006, 03:19 PM
And anyways, it should be called overdrive if anything. Not gear 4.




*snip*


We have our own spoiler section where the summary is posted, please discuss it there, and keep this thread spoiler free until the RAW comes out. :) /~Hermie

Xenos3421
August 03, 2006, 06:03 PM
I like the sound of an 'overdrive' or if luffy just combined gear 2+3's effects. Speedy-megapunches....ohhh that sounds scary.

I just wanna see him use gomu gomu storm in in either of the gears.

EvilSniffles
August 03, 2006, 06:35 PM
i don't think so. the DF abilities would 'stop' functioning the minute he hits the water. remember how Franky threw Chopper into the sea to bring him out from the DF state? :amuse


wrong. Aokij the Ice Admiral, travels on water by using his DF ability to bicycle acorss water. Water just keeps them from swimming, seastone, nullifies DF ability. Now you might wonder why luffy didn't strecht his arm that time when he was drowning trying to cross the water, well I chock that up to omfg I can't sweim omfg what do I do omfg I am gonna die....I wub j00 foooooooooood~

DesiSkull
August 03, 2006, 07:16 PM
there is a differance... when Aokji travels on the water by frozening up the water to making a ice path.. thts the only time he touches the water.. and he is not in it.. so riding bicycle over the iced water is totally different.. he is not touchin the water.. he is only touchin the bike..

for luffy to tread.. he will be touchin the water constantly.. so i doubt it he luffy can do that .. besides even if he could.. manga wont be showin it.. it will be something better..

DesiSkull
August 03, 2006, 07:22 PM
I like the sound of an 'overdrive' or if luffy just combined gear 2+3's effects. Speedy-megapunches....


i dont think that would be needed.. we only saw the first use of Gear3.. im sure there is just more than one think he can do.. so far he blew air into his bones by biting his thumb.. and made his left or right ? arm into a gaints arm.. so i get the feelin that there is more to Gear3 than just that.. we will just have to way and see heeheh =]

kakerukami
August 03, 2006, 10:59 PM
I think the fight with Lucci and Luffy isn't over yet. It does seem appropriate for Luffy to become small because it seems like that's the way the move works, like when he broke the iron door down. The little girl--I forget her name--seemed shocked he got small after doing that, so I can only assume he didn't get small to begin with but got that way as a consequence. Although I wouldn't be disappointed if Luffy could do more than just increase the size of his body with Gear 3.

I think we'll end up seeing another continuation of the Luffy fight. The VAs will show up, but probably no "VS. Strawhats" fighting will occur. Again I reiterate my hopeful prediction that some massive force like the Whitebeards/Franky's Pluton will come in and save the day.

alazim
August 04, 2006, 01:37 AM
I like the sound of an 'overdrive' or if luffy just combined gear 2+3's effects. Speedy-megapunches....ohhh that sounds scary.

I just wanna see him use gomu gomu storm in in either of the gears.




i think dis idea might be happen..i can't imagine how strong luffy can be if he combine gear 2 n 3..could be really awsome..

rennokun
August 04, 2006, 06:50 AM
Awesome chapter all i need now its the scanlation
[br]Posted on: August 04, 2006, 06:49:19 AM_________________________________________________

i think dis idea might be happen..i can't imagine how strong luffy can be if he combine gear 2 n 3..could be really awsome..


Thats excatly how i think luffy gona beat lucci with the combine Gear so called 2.5 gear

Hermie
August 04, 2006, 07:13 AM
I think in Luffy's mind, that would be 5th. :p

Predator
August 04, 2006, 07:26 AM
Aaaaaand ........ BOOM! ..... :o
The Buster Call ship gets to taste it own medicine. As if it weren't bad enough to have a fight between Luffy and the the most cold blooded CP9 member in World Governments arsenal, Rob Lucci, on the deck. XD

While those guys are fighting, almost all the rest of the crew get some cold shower in the tunnel.

That was chapter 422 "in short".
"In long" you can get it Here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6981.0).

Now we ask you .... What's up next? What do you want to see? What do you predict?
Will that big blast change anything? Will Zorro save everyone in the tunnel? What will Robin and Franky come up with?

....... Post, what you have to post .... :eyeroll

venicia777
August 04, 2006, 09:54 AM
I think in Luffy's mind, that would be 5th. :p
lol! i agree with you there. neverhteles- oda-sensei surely has something really nifty in store for us- i am sure- to bring a real closure to this encounter. i am glad that lucci survived.

Usoppking
August 04, 2006, 01:31 PM
Okay, I predict that Lucci might go insane b/c of the BC ships interrupting his and Luffy's fight. I would love it if Usopp saved the day for the group that "was" in the tunnel. Maybe now that they've got Nami over there, and no whirlpools, they can cross the water to the Bridge of Hesitation, or perhaps Rocketman may still be able to drive, as they still have Kokoro with them.

EvilSniffles
August 04, 2006, 03:17 PM
the underlying thing with water, is all DF users can't swim. I don't understand why the water id what it did to what's his name the deer, but it did. AFAIK, seastone nullifies DF ability.

DesiSkull
August 04, 2006, 03:35 PM
first of all Awesome chapter... and One of the VA's ship is already destroyed [thts cool] .. and ofc lucci and luffy are still alive.. they probably dodged that attack and went on to the next ship.. imagine that they keep fighting on the BC's ships and destroy enuff of them to make an opening to make an Escape.. i think lucci vs luffy fight is coming toward end.. with this gear 3 we know that luffy is even stronger but he loses speed.. so he cant depend on the the gear 3 too much.. or lucci can finish him like he almost did with that cutting wind attack..

As for nami and etc trapped underground tunnnel with water... i think i agrre with USOPPKING.. it could very well be usopp who comes up a clever idea to save their asses..

PS just cant wait until the next chapter.. its gonna get better and better now..

Hermie
August 04, 2006, 04:02 PM
Doesn't have to be a VC ship, remember, there was 5 Vice-Admirals, and 10 ships. ;)

kakerukami
August 04, 2006, 08:34 PM
Awesome chapter! I never would have guessed Lucci would have been such an important person that the VAs would postpone attacking just because he was on the island. Because of this it seems clear that the rest of the crew will have time to escape from EL before the BC destroys it.

I predict that Luffy will show one more trick with the whole Gear 3 thing. It seems as though since Luffy gets slower and stronger when he gets bigger, the opposite should be true. So maybe, he can shrink himself and get faster but weaker. This could make for an interesting fight.

I also predict that Franky and Robin will come to the rescue of the trapped crew members. However it may not be significant since none of them are DF users, so perhaps instead one of them will just break a hole in the tunnel and they'll all swim out. Can't wait for the nex chapter!

rennokun
August 04, 2006, 08:46 PM
LOL love luffy new fighting style giant everyting

still doesnt explain how he become chibi luffy though when he 1st use it

did lucci kill 500 of the pirate or the marine?

DesiSkull
August 04, 2006, 10:24 PM
@kakerukami
you are forgetting chopper.. he is with them.. but he unconscience and tied that lady [the one operates the sea train] 's head..

Eye-Pod
August 04, 2006, 10:47 PM
Hmm Gomu Gomu storm seems like a neat move to do on Lucci. HEhehe I wonder if Luffy can swallow LUcci or make Sanji cook his ass up for some roasts cat. :p

Usoppking
August 04, 2006, 10:57 PM
LOL @Eye-Pod


I could definitely see Luffy performing a Gomu Gomu no Gigant Storm(or Hurricane/Typhoon), which would be sweet.

but do you think it would be possible for him to initiate Gear 2nd while he's performing Hone Fusen? that could make things interesting.

But personally, I'd like to see Luffy adapt some cool move using Gear 3rd and trashing a bunch of BC ships like he did with that first one.

JC123
August 05, 2006, 08:27 AM
500 pirates

rennokun
August 05, 2006, 08:35 AM
i thought so it jst the same number makes me confuse

DesiSkull
August 05, 2006, 05:43 PM
i thought it was 600 pirates..
bah i just checked.. it was 500 soldiers who lucci killed and after pirates shot at him.. so he killed the pirates leader to end the incident..

DesiSkull
August 06, 2006, 04:49 AM
the underlying thing with water, is all DF users can't swim. I don't understand why the water id what it did to what's his name the deer, but it did. AFAIK, seastone nullifies DF ability.

thts tony the chopper.. but being totally under water also cancels out the DF users ability.. it makes them powerless.. so thats why when chopper went through that transformation.. franky pushed him in the water to take out the DF effect.. cuz without DF ability i dont think chopper could have transformed to begin with..

Kilik
August 06, 2006, 10:29 AM
LOL love luffy new fighting style giant everyting

still doesnt explain how he become chibi luffy though when he 1st use it

did lucci kill 500 of the pirate or the marine?


When Luffy first used Gear 3 he probably blew his entire body up to unleash a massive attack against the door causing his rubber body to contract greatly thus shinking him down to chibi

Lucci killed the 500 pirates. he was a member of the marines

My bad...he killed the 500 hostages thus ruining the pirates goals. The pirates opened fire on him so Lucci killed the captain.

venicia777
August 06, 2006, 02:13 PM
i guess Lucci fans now have a background story on him. Just two pages of the chapter_ eh!!! i wonder why Oda did that?

i for one love the fact that Oda-sensei did that. it clearly shows how merciless a killer Lucci is- a real government assassin or "dog"- eh!! why did he choose to kill the soldiers instead of the pirates? if i think about it the more i see what kind of justice the world government can mean if they want to make an impression.

anyway, with the way the fight b.n Lucci and Luffy is going it looks like the don krieg affair. A fight on a ship. this is an interesting prospect. Now, it seems that with such a development these two might do ship hopping and helpfully destroy some of the BC ships.

We may now see Lucci go fully at it- i dont think he has shown us all of his stuff yet. Come to think of it- if the vice captain gave an order to blow apart the ship those two were on- it does mean that on that particular ship there is no vice- admiral.

venicia777
August 06, 2006, 02:26 PM
i share your opinion. i would really love a gear 3 super trashing of those ships.

anyways- we all were not expecting the fight b.n Lucci and Luffy to end soo soon. But to get them to the BC ships is genius. Now the crew would have one ship less to worry about. And ofc- this puts luffy and lucci closer to destroying more ships. I dont think one ship will be enough to finish their fight.

Lucci is now In the full glare of 5 vice admirals and thousands of WG marines. and on top of that he is fighting one of their wanted pirates-(who is going to be more wanted if Lucci "manages" to lose for all to see). i am sure Lucci knows this but he probably may not care since at times good fighters/cold blooded assasins upon meeting a worthy opponent can throw away the mission just for the taste of testing their fullest fighting potential/strength.
Thus i am expecting Lucci to now show us all his stuff. No holds barred!!!!! because Luffy aint going anywhere.

DesiSkull
August 06, 2006, 05:38 PM
i share your opinion. i would really love a gear 3 super trashing of those ships.

Thus i am expecting Lucci to now show us all his stuff. No holds barred!!!!! because Luffy aint going anywhere.

.... like luffy said.. no matter what.. he is not letting lucci outta his sight... cuz if he does.. lucci will go attack them [ his crew member].. and luffy isnt even worried about them cuz he believes in them and they can take care of themselves.. so he is fully focus on him.. hehe and i cant wait to see how many ships they clear out :tem ..
i predict next chapter.. like u said.. lucci will start to come out at luffy with his ful power.. and most likely either ussopp or zoro comes up with a way to escape for that underground tunnel trapped with water... and franky and robin.. beat that cp9 Spandam some more.. i gotta admit.. that slapping attack by robin was hilarious...

Kilik
August 06, 2006, 06:11 PM
Come to think of it- if the vice captain gave an order to blow apart the ship those two were on- it does mean that on that particular ship there is no vice- admiral.


I don't think it means there isn't a Vice Admiral on the ship I think he is the one incharge of the entire Buster Call Fleet and he is willing to sacrifice a shipfull of men along with the Vice-Admiral of the ship to ensure they destroy Luffy

alazim
August 06, 2006, 09:14 PM
Lufft n lucci fight dis time is entirely different with his previous encounter..lucci is really lucci is really blood sucker how will kill his comrade to a complished his mission...it think lucci will come out again after and fight with luffy again..

alazim
August 06, 2006, 09:36 PM
Awesome chapter! I never would have guessed Lucci would have been such an important person that the VAs would postpone attacking just because he was on the island. Because of this it seems clear that the rest of the crew will have time to escape from EL before the BC destroys it.

I predict that Luffy will show one more trick with the whole Gear 3 thing. It seems as though since Luffy gets slower and stronger when he gets bigger, the opposite should be true. So maybe, he can shrink himself and get faster but weaker. This could make for an interesting fight.

I also predict that Franky and Robin will come to the rescue of the trapped crew members. However it may not be significant since none of them are DF users, so perhaps instead one of them will just break a hole in the tunnel and they'll all swim out. Can't wait for the nex chapter!


i agree with kakerukami in his idea that lucci is an important person..and because of him the marine still not use bc yet..maybe lucci is more important compare to spandam..
and about dis figthing scene it was really awsome i thonk we will see more ship that been destroyed..
i also think dat luffy know can destroy marine ship with a single blow just like ace..how awsome it come be..
it think dat zorro and sanji will come with combo attact to destroy the wall..because chopper still not wake up yet..even he wake up he still can't do anything because they in water right now so he will lose his power..
and sanji can use his devil wind kick to destroy the wall.. :p

venicia777
August 07, 2006, 12:33 AM
I don't think it means there isn't a Vice Admiral on the ship I think he is the one incharge of the entire Buster Call Fleet and he is willing to sacrifice a shipfull of men along with the Vice-Admiral of the ship to ensure they destroy Luffy
that is a logical point. the chance of a vice admiral on that ship is 50/50- so it is possible. of course we already saw the captain of that particular ship- was he one of the vice admirals we saw displayed in the previous chapter? i guess i will find out when i go home.

princeandrew01
August 07, 2006, 09:13 AM
i agree with kakerukami in his idea that lucci is an important person..and because of him the marine still not use bc yet..maybe lucci is more important compare to spandam..
and about dis figthing scene it was really awsome i thonk we will see more ship that been destroyed..
i also think dat luffy know can destroy marine ship with a single blow just like ace..how awsome it come be..
it think dat zorro and sanji will come with combo attact to destroy the wall..because chopper still not wake up yet..even he wake up he still can't do anything because they in water right now so he will lose his power..
and sanji can use his devil wind kick to destroy the wall.. :p


I don't know about the devil kick cuz he underwater, the whole idea behind the devil kick was that spinning at that high velocity the friction produced the heat, but in this case he underwater and i dont see him spinning with this wave trapping them. But i do agree that sanji and zoro probably will save the day somehow.

As for Lucci and Luffy well their fight got really interesting. Gear 3rd isnt as great as i imagined (i prefer gear 2 probably cuz of the speed) but for luffy to win he needs to use the gear 3rd effectively. Lucci will probably not hold back anything and Luffy will pull some miraculous trick out his sleeve once again and cream him. Maybe there is a gear 4?? although i dont know wat that wud be like (i think a combo of gear 2 and 3, can u imagine the strain on luffy's body, i dont think i ever seen luffy under this much pressure before).

Anyway all in all it was a great chapter the destruction of one ship means one less to run from. Can't wait for the next chapter.

P.S. That vice admiral was heartless when he killed the marine, i guess i sort of agree with him a bit u cant let criminals go but there is only so far u wud go to catch them.

rennokun
August 07, 2006, 12:01 PM
ive got 2 diff answer here is it 500 pirates or marine still not sure?

Hermie
August 07, 2006, 12:05 PM
he killed the 500 soliders of that local country. Not pirates, not marines. He killed them because they were hostages taken by the pirates, so that they couldn't go through with their plan. Then, he dealt with the pirates.

kakerukami
August 07, 2006, 04:57 PM
That would be cool if Luffy and Lucci's fight ends up messing up a bunch of the BC ships. Do you think that Luffy could destroy a BC ship with a single blow? I don't know if he could, but with several hits it would go down for sure using his Gear 3 techs. I don't think Oda would make Luffy so powerful just yet especiaally since there is so much left for his crew to do. If Luffy got too powerful the fights wouldn't be as interesting. Even Ace has never taken down a BC ship. No one has. The Straw Hats are gonna become so famous as the pirates who seiged and defeated the EL forces and repelled a BC!!! That's awesome!

Also, I was thinking that perhaps the other crew members won't break out of the tunnel, but instead will end up getting into a secret, uncharted area in EL where they will find something that will assist everyone to escape like another Sea Train (though probably not since Tom only built two) or something.

**Edit**
Doesn't Lucci have an unfair advantage over Luffy? Lucci can do that air hop thing to avoid falling in the water while Luffy needs to have boats within reach to avoid falling in the water. All Lucci needs to do to mess Luffy up is destroy the BC ships and force Luffy to fall in the water,

rennokun
August 07, 2006, 07:51 PM
Luffy will combine Gear 2 and 3 to beat lucci this way he have speed and stregth to beat the crap out of lucci

b0it0i
August 07, 2006, 09:33 PM
^^didn't think about that. it sounds like it would work

since Gear 2 pumps air from his legs

and Gear 3 sucks in a huge amount of air

that would be OD!

colorpurple
August 07, 2006, 11:43 PM
"gear forth" will be a one hit or death type attack, like in amny animes, it will move a the speed of light and cause more damage than 1000 canonballs hitting the same spot at once, completely annihilating the enemy, however, if it missed, luffy would be in no condition to fight anymore, however, i do think it wont be so cliche as to hit, in fact, i think the attack will miss, and luffy will be down for the count, and once lucci is sending the a fire ball stops it in it tracks, and you find ace, and many more pirates coming to help the now famous little brother of his[br]Posted on: August 07, 2006, 11:39:44 PM_________________________________________________edit**
as lucci is sending the finall blow/attack, a fire ball....[br]Posted on: August 07, 2006, 11:41:12 PM_________________________________________________ahh, as for zolo and the others, i predict that, along with the meddling pirates that have come to luffy's aid, there will be hawk-eyes who easily cuts through the wall, proving the massive gap in power that still remains between him and zolo

Jammer
August 08, 2006, 03:04 AM
well it's fun alright but I think that things are going out of hand ...
lucci is such a lame badass - he's not only just executing orders, he also likes killing it seems, and he kills well... for the killing - that's plain stupid
every one of Luffy's 'final' fights in previous arcs were against the masterminds - Crocodile, Enelu, the earlier arcs pirate captains, and now he's fighting some brainless puppet - he's like a stupid crewmember that lucci...

also it seems that the Buster Call will be destroyed soon - by Luffy in his Giganto mode, and Lucci's destructive power - all the ships will probably start to fall apart - and WTF the buster call IS the strongest marine warforce sailing the seas - it's becoming more like a war-farce... duh!

I hope Aokiji comes soon to bring some interesting twists cause right now its 'destroy-everything-around' type of thing. after all he's the one that employed the CP9 to catch Robin and gave the golden BC denden mushi to Spandam. so rather than predicting I really really HOPE that he shows up soon :D

BigCamaro
August 08, 2006, 07:19 AM
these gears remind me of Goku's kaioken a little bit and this would be like Goku vs Vegeta. So if Oda is thinking of a tribute perhaps there will be a gear 4. But personally I like the idea of him shrinking to be faster in gear 3. After all we never did find out why he was so small when he split the tower originally.

kakerukami
August 08, 2006, 12:49 PM
@ DrunkenYoshimast

Is kaioken in DBZ the same thing as Goku's different super saiyan modes? Pardon my lack of knowledge. I haven't finished reading DBZ, so I don't know. I do know that the different super saiyan modes in DBZ work somewhat similarly to some of the predictions stated here, i.e. makes Goku stronger, faster, and finally stronger and faster.

@ Jammer

I don't thing Lucci is so lame, he seems relatively intelligent and important to me. I mean he is the head of an elite government task force just like the Admirals are heads of specific Marine fleets, and no one considers the Admirals unimportant just because they answer to the WG. He has the trust of at least one VA to the point that they called off the BC until he has been put out of commission. They weren't even going to stop for Spandam who is the head of EL. So Lucci isn't as low on the beuracratic ladder as you might think. He is just as capable if not more capable than most of Luffy's crew, and I don't think anyone thinks any of Luffy's crew is lame. And the fact that Lucci, as a final enemy, is not a Logia type DF user is refreshing to see. It's been a long time since a non-logia user has faced Luffy and put up a good fight, I think the last time was in Blue-Sea (probably wrong -- please correct). I personally prefer non-Logia enemy fights since it's not dependent solely on finding that single defect in the "perfect" enemy's defense. I was also just thinking of what might happen if one of Chopper's rumble balls found its way to Lucci -- absolute mayhem, even on a scale worse than a Logia. Of course that's just my opinion.

It would be really great to see Aokiji. And it would be a good transition if we saw Ace because then that would mean we might get to return to the Whitebeards chasing Blackbeards ARC which will be really cool. Capt. Whitebeard has to be pretty amazing to be able to be as powerful as Gol D. Roger and hs subordinates must be equally awesome.

colorpurple
August 08, 2006, 05:49 PM
you have just made all valid points, and i applaud you xD, HOWEVER, you seem to have forgotten one thing, if, any of these predictions, besides the far out ones like my original one, where to come true, wouldnt that mean that the show is becoming a pint forseeable? my original post was simply to add flare, becuz i dont want to c anything that is so simple to predict, however, i do like the idea of luffy defeating the bc, becuz then he would be the second most famous pirate that ever lived, following in his gramp's footsteps!!! go go go go luffy!!!!!

PureSoulKyo
August 08, 2006, 08:14 PM
Kaiō-ken:
This technique is used by Gokū to multiply his speed and power, often letting him work on an equal level against an initially more powerful foe. It can be doubled, tripled, and eventually reaches the 20 fold level.

It's the same concept, just that Oda, as usual, actually has an explanation beyond "He got more powerful". Unlike the Kaioken, Gear 2 has a plausible explanation, not just the usual "Take my word for it... it can do this" that Toriyama loves to employ.

venicia777
August 08, 2006, 09:52 PM
he killed the 500 soliders of that local country. Not pirates, not marines. He killed them because they were hostages taken by the pirates, so that they couldn't go through with their plan. Then, he dealt with the pirates.
yes! the only question that came to my mind after reading that account was just this: how did he survive the bullets?

He was supposed to have joined cp9 right afterwards (i hope my memory is right)- so was he training his body to be impenetrable to bullets at age of 13 or what?

jabbament
August 08, 2006, 10:07 PM
I think it was said earlier that they all trained from a young age to become assassins...I don't think it was said that they had to be a member of CP9 before they were trained. I'd think the World Government took children and trained them, and put them through a real mission to determine who was useful to them. It would spare the disappointment/failures if they did it this way rather than accepting someone into CP9 and THEN training them.

So, this might have just been a long shot/test for Lucci since was no doubtedly showing a lot of potential/progress during all of his training.

I'd think the only way he could have survived would be with a tekkai, and at that age, he might not have been at the level where bullets couldn't hurt him.

DesiSkull
August 08, 2006, 11:13 PM
I'd think the World Government took children and trained them, and put them through a real mission to determine who was useful to them. It would spare the disappointment/failures if they did it this way rather than accepting someone into CP9 and THEN training them.

So, this might have just been a long shot/test for Lucci since was no doubtedly showing a lot of potential/progress during all of his training.

I'd think the only way he could have survived would be with a tekkai, and at that age, he might not have been at the level where bullets couldn't hurt him.
yeh i aggree with on that .. it has to be like that.. they had them training.. and i remember that too about them training since they were very young..

venicia777
August 08, 2006, 11:56 PM
I think it was said earlier that they all trained from a young age to become assassins...I don't think it was said that they had to be a member of CP9 before they were trained. I'd think the World Government took children and trained them, and put them through a real mission to determine who was useful to them. It would spare the disappointment/failures if they did it this way rather than accepting someone into CP9 and THEN training them.

So, this might have just been a long shot/test for Lucci since was no doubtedly showing a lot of potential/progress during all of his training.

I'd think the only way he could have survived would be with a tekkai, and at that age, he might not have been at the level where bullets couldn't hurt him.
good answer- jaber. i was hoping for more responses though (just trying to keep the thread going).

anyways, irrespective of the exact details i arrived at some explanations.
that, just like luffy, he may have had his devil fruit ability at a young age which endowed him with incredible strength.
or that just like many normal humans who become strong through intense physical training, he was under strict and stringent trainings years before he was 13. The training agent could be the WG, a sensei like in zoros case, or ...
and a third will be the combination of both. Whatever the actual scenario probably his dreams led him to work for the WG.

Semizero
August 09, 2006, 12:51 AM
I sure hope One piece keeps it's unpredictability...
that's what keeps me coming back for more.

as for predictions.
I really hope no one comes to save Luffy he's never needed help when he sets his eyes on a target
I do think Lucci will only become enraged by the interferring VA ship and shoot a rankyaku at the ship and split it in half then turn back and continue fighting with luffy..
Luffy is running out of time before he becomes small which I don't think he will become faster..
remember when he was running through the tunnel to catch up with Robin he was small but was relieved he was becoming bigger. do you think he's be relieved that he was going slower? true I could be wrong and he could have been happy to be normal size so he can fight normally and use gear two, which I don't think he could do with such short legs, or not to such an extent.

no for the others that are underwater I think they will be fine.
even though chopper is with them he is safely attached to kokoro's head

alazim
August 09, 2006, 02:13 AM
I think it was said earlier that they all trained from a young age to become assassins...I don't think it was said that they had to be a member of CP9 before they were trained. I'd think the World Government took children and trained them, and put them through a real mission to determine who was useful to them. It would spare the disappointment/failures if they did it this way rather than accepting someone into CP9 and THEN training them.

So, this might have just been a long shot/test for Lucci since was no doubtedly showing a lot of potential/progress during all of his training.

I'd think the only way he could have survived would be with a tekkai, and at that age, he might not have been at the level where bullets couldn't hurt him.


don't really understand if the World Government took children and trained them, and put them through a real mission to determine who was useful to them b4 been selected to CP9 is that possible gov teach them how to use tekkai..i don't think gov will simply teach those children using tekkai b4 them being selected as CP9..because what i can see that tekkai is like a secret move that only know by CP9 only..how could gov teach tekkai for somebody not CP9 yet..

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 02:26 AM
well it was really said that the agents got trained from very young age and are a living weapon as of now - also lucci criticized Nero (the newest CP9 agent that Franky fought on the SeaTrain) that he cannot call himself CP9 before learning the six forms - and he knew like 4 I think :) and this implies that probably lucci knew all six forms BEFORE becoming CP9
so lets sum things up: lucci is now 28 years old, at the age of 13 he was sent from the government to solve their pirate-taking-hostages problem and soon after that he becomes cp9 so it seems that he's able to kill efficiently even before becoming agent

alazim
August 09, 2006, 03:46 AM
so that, lucci is free talanted person because he can kill 500 marine and pirate on that island..
but we still don't know why he can servive from all the bullet without using tekkai..
if we assume that he already ate df..but as we know lucci zoan type can't withstand from bullet only luffy that have ate gum-gum fruit that can withstand from bullet

alazim
August 09, 2006, 03:59 AM
Luffy will combine Gear 2 and 3 to beat lucci this way he have speed and stregth to beat the crap out of lucci


combine gear 2 n 3..it will not happen..even luffy have gear 4 i think it would be different..fundemantel of this two gear really different.. just like boitoi say


since Gear 2 pumps air from his legs

and Gear 3 sucks in a huge amount of air

that would be OD!

rennokun
August 09, 2006, 04:06 AM
Gear 2 pump air into the blood making the blood flow faster
gear 3 suck air to the bone so its different
so there is still prossibility of combining them

Lohnt
August 09, 2006, 04:37 AM
Who said he could survive bullets without Tekkai? If anything his flashback shows he knew tekkai from a young age.

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 04:49 AM
hmm actualy the translation says: the boy that had many bullet scars at the age of 13, became cp9. and the scar a trace of a past wound - maybe at some moment, after he learned Tekkai the WG trained Lucci by firing real bullets on him - to perfect the Tekkai - his tekkai is the strongest of the cp9's
so the bullets fired from the pirates probably didn't hurt him at all :)

alazim
August 09, 2006, 05:11 AM
so when he invaded that island he already join the CP9 and know how to use tekkai..but that will make sense why he could servive on dat island..but if i not mistaken the scar because he fight with the pirate not because of the training..

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 05:58 AM
so when he invaded that island he already join the CP9 and know how to use tekkai..but that will make sense why he could servive on dat island..but if i not mistaken the scar because he fight with the pirate not because of the training..


no! he already knew the six forms (rokushiki) incl. tekkai before going there - that mission might've been a test for his abilities and after the mission he became a CP9 agent - at least that's what i think ;)

alazim
August 09, 2006, 08:29 AM
i have just read that chapter again..that VC says dat after dat incident lucci join CP9..
so lucci don't about tekkai or six forms (rokushiki) b4 went to the island..

jabbament
August 09, 2006, 08:51 AM
Please tell me what is the point of taking a 18+ year old, letting them join CP9 to only then put them through training? Why not put them through training when they're 10 and train them for lets say 10 years and THEN let them join CP9 if they pass whatever test?

I somehow don't see the world government wasting away a large part of a man or woman's prime of life to devote to training when it can be done at a young age with the same results. I doubt the 6 forms can be learned in a matter of a few years, so why wait so long in life to train them?

And from what we've seen, the world government isn't a "good" organization at all. They sent Lucci to kill all of the hostages during the incident, so they obviously don't give a crap about human life. Instead of killing all 500 hostages, they could have just sent him or someone to kill the pirates or their leader. I somehow doubt the world government is beyond taking children with any amount of potential and training them to be assassins.

pha12_bou
August 09, 2006, 11:23 AM
i think this chpter lucci will dominate the whole thing..
n then after his limit..luffy will start a new move..
that double gear is not bad..hehe.. :amuse

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 11:54 AM
maaaaan, what I meant is that lucci learnt rokushiki to perfection, THEN the WG sent him to the freakin' mission with the pirates, and right after finishing the mission (like in a very small amount of time after - a week, a month) he got into CP9 as a full-blown member - and the most cold-blooded that is ;)
and those thoughts come from my speculation that he got the bullet scars before going to the mission, from wounds inflicted while he was training - and the training period may be anytime from the age of 3 to 12 years, and then as a part of CP9 he can only get better and better

jabbament
August 09, 2006, 11:57 AM
Taken from Pocketmofo's translation of OP 422:


中将A「海賊達は怒り砲弾を浴びせたが少年は爆炎の中から海賊の船長の首を取って一件を収めた・・・!!!背中にいくつもの砲弾の跡を持つ少年は13歳にしてCP9の諜報部員 闇の正義を天職とするCP9史上最も強く冷酷な殺戮兵器と人は言う その男がこの島にいてニコ・ロビンの護送任務を受けている以上我々がそこに手を出す必要はない 我らはためらいの橋を除く全てを焼き尽くすまで」
Vice-Admiral A: The pirates became angry and showered the boy in bullet fire. The boy emerged from the explosions and took the head of the pirate’s captain and ended the incident…!! That boy who had many bullet wound scars covering his back, at the age of 13, became a member of the intelligence unit at CP9 and found his calling in life there serving justice from the darkness and became the strongest and coldest killing machine since CP9’s inception. As long as that man is here on this island to assist in the escorting of Nico Robin there is no need for us to act. We will do nothing until all but the bridge of hesitation is destroyed.

Murasaki of Arlong Park Forums' translation:


VA: And right in that place...
VA: He killed the 500 soldiers being held hostage!!
VA: The boy turned to leave the mountain of corpses.
VA: The pirates were angry, and they fired on the boy.
VA: But he stood up amongst the explosions,
VA: Took the head of the leader, and solved the situation.
VA: With many scars on his back from the attacks, the boy was only 13 years old.
VA: He became part of CP9, part of the "Justice of the Dark".
VA: He is stronger than any other CP9 member ever,
VA: And is called a ruthless "weapon of murder".

That says to me that he got them from the hail of gunfire he encountered, not that he got them from training.

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 01:09 PM
That says to me that he got them from the hail of gunfire he encountered, not that he got them from training.


OK I can't disagree cause my theory could prove to be wrong - after all its based on a speculation as I said
but it comes from the meaning of the word 'scar' - I don't understand japanese so I can't tell if the word that everyone translates as 'scars' has another meaning (i.e. wound) but thi is what wikipedia wrote:


Scars are areas of fibrous tissue that replace normal skin after destruction of some of the dermis. A scar results from the biologic process of wound repair in the skin and other tissues of the body. Thus, scarring is a natural part of the healing process. With the exception of very minor lesions, every wound (e.g. after accident, disease, or surgery) results in some degree of scarring.

and that tells to me that scars do not appear the moment you take a hit from whatever (bullet,punch,etc) - they come from past wounds.
now lets see what Tekkai is all about: all the CP9 either manage to withstand the punches/kicks to an extent that there is no physical deformation on their body occuring, or if the Tekkai isn't strong enough, they get hurt in a normal way - only to a much smaller extent - as if the punch/kick was waaaaay weaker than it really is (if not using Tekkai). so lucci was saved from the bullets using his tekkai - he either would get some minor wounds from the bullet's penetration (and some bleeding too) or he won't have any trace from the bullets at all - and as far as I can remember - his scars in the flashback (they didn't bleed at all) were exactly the same as while he's fighting luffy (and scars can't just appear of nothing - some time is needed and bleeding is an important part of the whole healing process)
(not to mention that they were in the shape of the WG logo and that has some symbolical value too, but let's leave it aside for now)

venicia777
August 09, 2006, 02:24 PM
Oh!! the question about lucci is still been discussed- yay !!!

anyways, i see where both jaber and jammer are coming from-(you guys surely have similar souding names). jaber is using the literal meaning of the explanations given by the captain. that is go by the understanding that Lucci obtained those scars (whether they were live wounds + blood or not) from the bullets/explosions that rocked his body after been fired upon. and that is what many people did. there was nothing more deeper to it than what Oda wanted us to know, pure and simple.

while jammer is looking deeper- which also led me to ask those questions that started this. given that the old picture (flashback) of a young lucci with scars on his back is old- the scars are pretty much the same. although jammers arguments are valid, i think the literal meaning holds more water now- unless kishimoto says something else (not ODA :p).

venicia777
August 09, 2006, 02:37 PM
btw, when is this coming out?

Tomorrow is the expected time. if raw providers face some issues they may be late for a day or so.

i think this chpter lucci will dominate the whole thing..
n then after his limit..luffy will start a new move..
that double gear is not bad..hehe.. :amuse
i will like to see something like this in the least. The mugiwara's have been soo confident in this arc and their fights have ended thus. unlike the angst and tension we were all feeling especially based on what happened in Water 7- the fights have been too straightforward (except say luffy's gears and chopper going Kyuubi-Naruto- like on us). i am expecting Lucci to really bring it on. and like i said before on the previous page since at the moment he is right before all the VA's and thousands of marines- the thought of getting beat by Luffy may let us really see what he is made of.
Show us something new- Lucci!!!

Jammer
August 09, 2006, 02:47 PM
yeah yeah :D
we'll just wait and see if lucci will give some explanation about his scars in the coming chapters and if not this whole discussion would've been pointless :) it was fun though

and about Kishimoto saying something else: hmm, he'll probably make Naruto tell a story about an evil killer-dude from a secret organization known as the ANBU9 yeah :D (sorry, couldn't resist)

venicia777
August 09, 2006, 07:28 PM
About the kishimoto comment, it was a joke!! (he runs naruto fans on a noose with soo many possible theories and later quashes them just like that)

anyways- i am expecting at least one more ship to go down in the next chapter. i would really be glad if this lucci & Luffy encounter destroys at least half of the BC 10 ships (hopefullly the marines dont get killed :darn). and then i am hoping that this somehow in the end allows the crew to acquire some ship for fleeing. the fact is- these two guys are way strong- so this is highly probable. i didnt expect the fight to get onto the ships more like one of the short ones we have seen so far involving the other crew members. it looks oda-sensei has something more in store for this finale.
This is the best test for luffy. Lucci is !!!

iceburg- where are you!!!!

EvilSniffles
August 09, 2006, 08:19 PM
overall perdicitoin for this arc. somehow the crew are able to get onto a boat. Luffy, nico, franky end up on some other boat. frank's crew is captured instead for helping them escape, and they are blamed for the attack on enies lobby. the 3 super high bounties are somwhere past the gate heading to some area blah blah. the rest of the miguraw crew are hot on their tail trying to catch up. the rest of this predicition was lost in the creamy egg noddle dish I just made.

Debu
August 09, 2006, 09:12 PM
You heard it here first - Lucci, tired of his bosses treating him like he was trash, proposes a truce to Luffy: "I help you escape and don't hurt your friends if.. you let me join your crew!" Then, to prove he means it, Lucci and Luffy together destroy every buster call ship, save 1, on which they leave with the whole crew.

They get their shipwright (Lucci worked as one); sure would make you Franky haters happy :p

Is there any way out of this other than incapacitating the BC ships or sneaking away??

alazim
August 10, 2006, 03:45 AM
yap..in this coming chapter we can see more demage that cause from luffy n lucci fight..i think more than one ship will be involve..and lucci will be really upset with the interference of the marine..

alazim
August 10, 2006, 04:03 AM
tomorrow our waiting will be end..hope so..can wait for the new chapter..
[br]Posted on: August 10, 2006, 03:53:09 AM_________________________________________________did any one think how WG will cover about dis invasion..i always think dat at alabasta WG use smoker to cover how crocdile have been defeated..but know the marine hq itself been attack..how they will cover dis shamless arc..

xallisto
August 10, 2006, 10:48 AM
Nope untill next thursday or maybe the off chance that it will be released earlier.

Lohnt
August 11, 2006, 01:26 AM
Lol, relax guys, I'm sorry to have been the bearer of bad news.
Think of it this way, the more vacation and clear minded Oda is, the better quality OP will be.

Now next weeks chapter has already been created, but I'm assuming Oda has officially finished the next 3 chapters (meaning end of EL arc) so he's probably just taking a break since he finally finished the fighting, and now he gets to have a clear head when he writes the emotional stuff such as Ussops return, saving Robin, getting a ship, Franky joining etc.

hyper_megaman
August 11, 2006, 02:22 AM
well u know, shounen jump is an awfully thick magazine, if all double chapters were to be double in 'volume', it's gonna be bigger than ur oxford dictionary from time to time.

not gonna happen

(as much as i want it to though..)

Predator
August 11, 2006, 03:11 AM
well u know, shounen jump is an awfully thick magazine, if all double chapters were to be double in 'volume', it's gonna be bigger than ur oxford dictionary from time to time.

not gonna happen

(as much as i want it to though..)


Perfect! :ossu
Very nice post ... I like it!

But as for the chapter not being out this week..... Check the shout! It gives a nice advice: "Try some new manga in the meanwhile if you need something to do, or just post on the forums. =)"

Please don't cry or whine or agonize or whatever.

DesiSkull
August 11, 2006, 04:23 AM
Perfect! :ossu
Very nice post ... I like it!

But as for the chapter not being out this week..... Check the shout! It gives a nice advice: "Try some new manga in the meanwhile if you need something to do, or just post on the forums. =)"

Please don't cry or whine or agonize or whatever.
how about we cheer and beer *passes the beer around* :p oh yeh and hope for an incredible next chapter to be which i cant wait to get my hands on

Whirlwind
August 11, 2006, 05:57 AM
since Gear 2 pumps air from his legs
and Gear 3 sucks in a huge amount of air



Gear 2 uses his legs as an extra heart to increase the blood flow, which should only increase stamina for activities, yet somehow here allows him to move faster and such. Gear 2 woulda made more sense as him simply moving the 10 times in a second thing that the CP9 guys do, though the doping could help with being able to do that for sustained periods.
I also dont understand why Gear 3 would do anything with him inflating his arm, it wouldnt make his arm harder, when he'd punch you'd think itd be a cushioned hit. But meh, this is a world where reality is skewed so whatever.


Onto the predictions:

I dont think luffy will be able to do another Gear 2, as he the one he already did was only a certain amount of time, meaning it took alot of energy to sustain, or the strain on his body was too much to continue it. Thus i dont think he'll be able to start another one since the first one faded on its own, not a volentary stoppage.
Luffy will probably become chibi to increase his speed and counter what Lucci was sayin about the stronger but slower, he'll find that the faster but weaker attacks wont get through the tekkai, and then eventually use a quick combo of speed with a moderate giant hit. That or the fight will be a sucker ending with the chibi mode somehow getting Lucci knocked into the sea even though its strength wouldnt have normally been able to knock him out.

For Robin/Franky, they'll probably take the guards on the ship out and try to wait out the rest of the crew, since their side isnt gonna get blasted by the buster call, at least not yet, but they'll probably fret about what to do about the ships, and in the end will resign to the fact they cant do squat at that distance but wait and hope luffy toasts um.


The rest: Seeing as they are now underwater and being pushed back down the tunnel its hard to come up with anything they could even possibly do, but if anything, Ussop is going to bust out either a flame dial or something and stop the water until Zoro can do a proper technique on the tunnel wall for them to swim to the surface from there.

Lohnt
August 11, 2006, 09:24 AM
Gears refer to the shifting of car gears; as the driver shifts to higher gears on a car, the cylinders in the engine pump faster, thus burning more gasoline and allowing the wheels to rotate faster. In Luffys case, he doesn't have an engine with cylinders, so he uses his legs as pumps, and he does not pump gasoline, but rather air, that then forces pressure on his heart to pump blood at a much faster rate; Lucci compares the process to taking a stimulant.

Currently Luffy can only use Gear 2 for a short period of time, because the circulatory system is meant to transfer a certain amount of blood over a period of time. In Luffys case, his muscles are also rubber, so they expand, and allow the blood to move at the increased speed without suffocating any one internal organ, and causing it to explode.

colorpurple
August 11, 2006, 11:47 AM
[quote=Whirlwind ]
I also dont understand why Gear 3 would do anything with him inflating his arm, it wouldnt make his arm harder, when he'd punch you'd think itd be a cushioned hit. But meh, this is a world where reality is skewed so whatever.

well you see, gear three pumps air into his bones or thru his bones if im not mistaken, giving which ever part of his body his chooses to pump, the size and density of a giants arm, or leg as we have already seen, also, since it is bone, it doesnt create a harder punch, with more force, not to mention luffy's ability to swing and thrust at high speeds, combine all this, and you get monsterous power...[br]Posted on: August 11, 2006, 11:45:35 AM_________________________________________________rofl thats funny, i typed it in the quote, who knew xD

immelmann
August 11, 2006, 05:58 PM
Gears refer to the shifting of car gears; as the driver shifts to higher gears on a car, the cylinders in the engine pump faster, thus burning more gasoline and allowing the wheels to rotate faster. In Luffys case, he doesn't have an engine with cylinders, so he uses his legs as pumps, and he does not pump gasoline, but rather air, that then forces pressure on his heart to pump blood at a much faster rate; Lucci compares the process to taking a stimulant.

Currently Luffy can only use Gear 2 for a short period of time, because the circulatory system is meant to transfer a certain amount of blood over a period of time. In Luffys case, his muscles are also rubber, so they expand, and allow the blood to move at the increased speed without suffocating any one internal organ, and causing it to explode.


actually when a car shifts gears the rate of the engine decreases. gears simply allow are car to go faster because the rate of rotation is decreased. the engine will however increase in rotation when the gas is applied. another gear simply allows for greater top end speed(high gears) while low gears are used for starting stopping and decending inclines also towing. and a car burns less gas in the high gears and traveling at higher rates of speed.

i don't really think it has anything to do with car gears, just using gears as a level. i do believe it is like you say refii, luffy is using it to increase pressure and move his blood fast thus supplying more oxygen to his blood and body and removing toxins and waste faster.

Luckas
August 11, 2006, 06:40 PM
But am I the only one asking himself how Luffy could pump air in his bone or in his blood circulatory system? They should closed. :eyeroll

vyrtgo
August 11, 2006, 08:49 PM
Luffy doesn't pump air into his blood. Lucci compares it to doping. I don't think that is quite the best comparison. Since Luffy is using his legs to pump his blood faster he is supplying his muscles and organs with more oxygen and nutrients from his blood. He must also have to breath faster or take more oxygen from the air when his lungs are full for it to work.

I'm still trying to figure out the bone baloon myself, since eventhough he bites his thumb to get to the bone the bones are still not connected.

It probably doesn't matter anyway, it's a manga, and Oda can do whatever he damn well pleases. Much to our eventual enjoyment.

for 423 I predict that Luffy and Lucci will do what Luffy and Zoro did with Mr. 5 and whatever her name was, when they were fighting when they first got to the Grand Line. Sort of the "Our fight, your in the way!" type of thing.
Robin and Franky will take that ship there going to take from the Marines back to the administration tower and pick up the rest of the Strawhats they'll know where because Sanji still has the mini den den mushi.

vasiley
August 11, 2006, 09:36 PM
What an awesome manga story, this manga is the best manga in the world( well , that's for me ^^)

I think even the buster call has shot luffi n lucci, they won't be die, and they will move on another ship to continue their fight. Maybe luffy will have more "gear" to activated, like "gear 4" maybe, that could make luffy body more powerful but still have terrific speed, and luffy use this skill to kill lucci n destroy the other ship of the Marine Buster Call.

In other way, franky will help zorro, sanji, etc( kokoro, nami,...) that still in the flooded tunnel (thanks to zorro for destroy the wall ^^), and they will use the rocketman to escape from that place

I think this chapter will be the end of this CP 9 story

DesiSkull
August 12, 2006, 03:50 AM
just outta the curiousity.. we have a prediction thread for next chap... yet we are still talkin it about in this chapter.. just wondering..

Predator
August 12, 2006, 06:09 AM
just outta the curiousity.. we have a prediction thread for next chap... yet we are still talkin it about in this chapter.. just wondering..


True. :noworry

You see ...... there are members that have problem with sticking to the topic, so it can't be helped.
This thread is still dedicated to predicting the next chapter that'll possibly come out in five days. :D

rennokun
August 12, 2006, 11:33 AM
luffy gona have to have gear4 to beat lucci gear 2 and 3 is not enough

DesiSkull
August 12, 2006, 08:43 PM
luffy gona have to have gear4 to beat lucci gear 2 and 3 is not enough
yeh but from what we can tell.. he is maxed out.. im not sure he has much left in him to go to the gear 4.. but im sure therz gonna be a catch.. something unpredictable gonna happen and luffy gonna beat lucci :p

venicia777
August 13, 2006, 07:34 AM
yes- a catch is what is needed. But gear 4- maybe not; although possible. Oda-sensei doesnt do such many power jumps. what i mean is I am not used to seeing such power jumps in OP. i actually am praying it doesnt happen. a concentration on his current gear forms and variations of them - including "a catch" that we dont know of- is what i am expecting.

DesiSkull
August 13, 2006, 01:55 PM
yep yep yepper.. i would much rather see luffy perfect his gear2 and 3... mostly gear 3 cuz he gets slower.. come on the next chapter.. we are all waiiting on you Oda..

vasiley
August 13, 2006, 10:06 PM
I hope that Oda will end this story of CP 9 as quickly as possible, because this story is the longest story in this manga. And i hope that Oda will show another good story, like the battle between zorro n mihawk :), all of the strawhat crew have bounty (because all of the crew had beaten the cp9 member), luffy bounty increase to 300 million :o, the battle between luffy and shirohige(to prove who is the strongest pirate in the world), or maybe smoker and tashigi join with strawhat crew, and etc that will make OP manga more interesting. :smile-big

ZelosWilder
August 14, 2006, 10:21 AM
I hope something interesting happens, I cant wait to see the next chapter!

The Boff
August 14, 2006, 12:05 PM
lucchis scars on his back.... they are the world government flag.....


http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l99/boffenjl/chapter42203.png

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l99/boffenjl/op011.jpg


now what the hell does this mean????

Hermie
August 14, 2006, 01:02 PM
He's just THAT devoted. :p

Jammer
August 14, 2006, 03:15 PM
lucchis scars on his back.... they are the world government flag.....

now what the hell does this mean????

see the previous page of this discussion - it's filled with posts regarding those scars and various theories about them ;)

The Boff
August 14, 2006, 03:47 PM
see the previous page of this discussion - it's filled with posts regarding those scars and various theories about them ;)


yeah i did that. but none seemed to have noticed that they were in fact an exact match to the world gov symbol.
was this purely a coincidence? its just weird imo

DesiSkull
August 14, 2006, 04:48 PM
suppose there is something related to that. we probably gonna have to wait and see. so if there is something about that they will show otherwise its just a coincidence.

The Boff
August 14, 2006, 05:04 PM
im hoping for more than a coincidence, cause that would suck.

Jammer
August 15, 2006, 01:25 AM
well probably the ones that trained lucchi in tekkai used to punch him/shoot him in the exact same spots on his back and it's in the shape of the WG logo because he is a living representation of the justice the WG wants to spread (at all costs), it might be also a symbol of him being a servant to the WG - well I really want to know what are those scars all about and wait for an explanation in the next chapters :eyeroll

hyper_megaman
August 15, 2006, 10:55 AM
Gears refer to the shifting of car gears; as the driver shifts to higher gears on a car, the cylinders in the engine pump faster, thus burning more gasoline and allowing the wheels to rotate faster. In Luffys case, he doesn't have an engine with cylinders, so he uses his legs as pumps, and he does not pump gasoline, but rather air, that then forces pressure on his heart to pump blood at a much faster rate; Lucci compares the process to taking a stimulant.

Currently Luffy can only use Gear 2 for a short period of time, because the circulatory system is meant to transfer a certain amount of blood over a period of time. In Luffys case, his muscles are also rubber, so they expand, and allow the blood to move at the increased speed without suffocating any one internal organ, and causing it to explode.
they don't pump more gasolene
gear increment increases maximum speed but reduces torque. the amount of horsepower an engine can deliver is constant.

that's why u use gears, at low gears it's high torque, low max speed(engine turns multiple times for the wheel to turn one time). the amount of power generated by the engine in like say 20 turns is focused on that 1 turn. this would make the wheels accelerate quickly/have high force per turn, though it turns only 1/20 revolution per engine revolution(which is constant)
at high gears it's low torque, high max speed(engine turns one time while the wheel turns multiple times). that one engine turn is split into 2 wheel turns. of course the wheel now turns at 2 revolutions per engine revolution(compare with above), the force/torque available would be split, thus acceleration would suck

a high torque would give higher acceleration, however u'd need to keep changing gears to slowly max out the speeds whilst maintaining maximum possible acceleration

if high gears were just more powerful engine power, no one would bother with low gears. u could just stick ur gbox in the 5th gear and use it for life -_-

play daytona/drive a car with manual gearing, to attain highest speeds u have to use 4(in daytona) but if u like, crash to a halt, u'd have to quickly switch back to gear 2, max out gear 2's maximum speed, change to gear 3, (slower accel than gear 2) then wait for the speed to stop increasing, then hit gear 4 to slowly and finally reach the maximum speed of the car.

this is physics, to make maximum use out of something by optimising efficiency[br]Posted on: August 15, 2006, 10:47:15 AM_________________________________________________and i don't think air is beng pumped in. he'd be killed by air in his blood.

it was stated that he used his legs as a pump to increase blood flow, thus faster/higher supply of nutrients(sugars, oxygen, blahblah) to various parts of his body, thus higher metabolism(the body heat generating steam), thus the sudden hunger after his fights which is fixed by BENTO!! which provides the nutrients

there's no air in his blood.. he only maximised oxygen and nutrient availability to his body parts by pumping his blood faster.[br]Posted on: August 15, 2006, 10:54:12 AM_________________________________________________edit: generating sweat which turns to steam

and

edit: provides the nutrients -to replace those used up unusually rapidly during his transformation-

shinwei
August 15, 2006, 10:58 AM
I was always under the impression that Kokoro was of merman origin, since she was married to Tom (who was a merman)...
So that means she can't drown, and can thus save the Strawhats in the passage.

DesiSkull
August 15, 2006, 03:32 PM
I was always under the impression that Kokoro was of merman origin, since she was married to Tom (who was a merman)...
So that means she can't drown, and can thus save the Strawhats in the passage.
merman was that arlong with that wird nose and reproductive jaws. thts where strawhat luffy finally got nami to come wih the crew.

shinwei
August 15, 2006, 03:34 PM
Yea but Arlong and his crew aren't the only mermen in the world...

Tom was a merman, therefore his wife Kokoro should also be a merman.

Jammer
August 15, 2006, 04:48 PM
everyone was really surprised when while on the train to Enies Lobby Kokoro spoke to Yokozuna (the frog) and franky family, luffy and the others explained among themselves that she's probably a frog herself :lol: that could be their way to say that she is a merman :D
she doesn't resemble one when she's younger thou - well maybe my taste is too bizzare haha

immelmann
August 15, 2006, 05:14 PM
i think the arrangement is simple coincidence but oda stuck it in there to make us think all these weird things. when i read the 2ch japanese boards about predictions of the new chapter they're talking about all the same things that we are. i'm biting my fingernails waiting for this sweet chapter!!! i think luffy and lucci will continue stomping on eachother and breaking ships. i have no idea how luffy is going to beat lucci now though since the gigant pistol didn't break him. maybe he will combine gear 2nd and 3rd? they seem to think so in several japanese posts i found but i think luffy may have a 4th gear or someone else will beat lucci.

Anti-panda
August 16, 2006, 01:26 AM
Couple of questions... 1. Do you think luffy knows sogeking is ussop and is just not mentioning it for the sake of keeping his nakama with him? and 2. Is there a possibility that chibi luffy is really powerful but lacks range of attack? and 3. Does anybody else think something is up with that freak'in pidgeon?
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Predictions: Surprising strength ... Chibi luffy vs Lucchi

DesiSkull
August 16, 2006, 02:14 AM
the way it seems. luffy doesnt know its usopp cuz i dont see him being able to pretend lol. the whole chibi thing. i think he cant stay like that more than few seconds. so i doubt it if we will see chibi vs lucci. now u mention the pidgeon i havent seen him since the fight start between luffy and lucci.

hyper_megaman
August 17, 2006, 10:34 AM
arlong is a fishman, tom is a fishman

fishmen are fish with humanoid attributes that allow them to walk on land, breathe, and have 10 times humans' strength above water

mermen are people with fish bodies. kokoro is a mermaid, tom is a fishman, arlong and crew were all fishmen

venicia777
August 17, 2006, 11:44 AM
so by your analysis is arlong a merman or what? From all the chapters i remember reading arlong was a merman- or was i hallucinating :o

Majek
August 17, 2006, 11:50 AM
boy is she fugly hehehe

Predator
August 17, 2006, 01:34 PM
:amuse How cuuuute! Chibi-Luffy's back! Not for long, of course, but longer that the previous time. While he's at it, Franky shows some skills in persuasion and calms down the elephant-sword. If we ingore the fact that he knocks the elephant out the next moment, he's good at it. And now as Robin joins the fun, the real party can begin aboard the Buster Call ships.

But the biggest scoop of all .............. Old Lady Kokoro is a mermaid!! :tem ............ :rofl

Hmmm ...... now just post your thoughts about, what will happen the next chapter.

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Anti-panda
August 17, 2006, 02:38 PM
boy is she fugly hehehe
I agree not a merwoman just plain ugly ... she doesnt have webs on her hands or anything. Though i hope oda shows us a merwoman soon...

rennokun
August 17, 2006, 04:25 PM
muahahahaha oda really crack me up to come up with kokoro is a mermaid :XD

ax999
August 17, 2006, 05:09 PM
muahahahaha oda really crack me up to come up with kokoro is a mermaid :XD

more like merhag

DesiSkull
August 17, 2006, 07:21 PM
gotta admit. she is funny ugly. i was freaking laughing so hard. great chapter. basically what we werent accurate at all predicting this chapter. thts what i like about one piece the unpredicatabilty. lets get on with thenext chapter shall we.

shinwei
August 17, 2006, 10:24 PM
Mmmm... told you so :P

DesiSkull
August 18, 2006, 02:50 AM
hehe yep shez the mermaid. and she gonna save their asses. and we also find out. after using gear 3 when he goes to chibi-luffy. he stays that for the same amount he used the gear 3 for. so thts not really good. first with gear 3 he loses the speed and 2nd that. he gonna need something else to defeat lucci. lucci seems to be reachin his limit. so its only matter of time being luffy kick his ass. lets see whatelse for predictions. franky and robin takes control of spandam ships. [or rather almost] we see sanji, zoro, nami, and etc catching up with franky and robin. and finally i still think that lucci vs luffy will go until chapter 425. we should see the 2 gaints also catchin to franky and robin.

Lohnt
August 18, 2006, 05:00 AM
I want chibi Luffy to learn to fight while in that form! It's a horrible weakness, and the comedy possibilities of huge monsters like Leopard Lucci getting their butts kicked by tiny angry Luffy makes my brain hurt.

Hermie
August 18, 2006, 09:14 AM
Another thing I noticed... Lucchi has 4 forms of his DF! How did he do that, without a rumble ball? He called it "kamie-e fighting form", perhaps he's combinding his DF with Rokushiki?

shinwei
August 18, 2006, 05:14 PM
He uses Seimei Kikan (life return) to do that - just like how fat Kumadori turned skinny.

jackie_u
August 18, 2006, 06:19 PM
Wow that was really funny! Great chapter!

Anti-panda
August 18, 2006, 06:23 PM
I agree chibi luffy only got one punch in :darn if you call it a punch. Wonder what luffy's gonna come up with to win this one... and koroko is a mermaid :blink rofl
But this made me think ... the strawhats need a mermaid on their crew.. not koroko but someone else..
Predictions .... No freakin clue but we wont see the end of the luffy luchi fight yet that'll happen after the ship is commandeered by the strawhats and everyone else is ready to leave. So i guess more beating up spandam and taking the ship.. I love that i have no idea whats gonna happen next.

rennokun
August 18, 2006, 06:45 PM
He uses Seimei Kikan (life return) to do that - just like how fat Kumadori turned skinny.


i thought only kumadori that can do that

rennokun
August 18, 2006, 06:47 PM
Luffy gona use gear 3 again since he sees the damage lucci got from a punch and he will combine it will Gear 2 (lol that my prediction last chapter it will happen though :D)

ofudamaster
August 19, 2006, 10:16 AM
Man this was an exciting chapter.

I was so happy that Franky finally got to beat the crap out of Spanda! His whole speech was great, he better be the next Mugiwara.

But really, the last page was the best part. I laughed for two minutes solid. I mean, really, who was expecting that?
I was really worried about how the heck they were gonna get out of the tunnel but Kokoro-baba mermaid??!??!??!! I never expected that in a million years.


Is anybody else worried about Kaku, Kalifa and the other CP9 members trapped in Enies Lobby? I don't really want them to die.

Lohnt
August 19, 2006, 12:22 PM
Nah, Oda won't kill off the 9th most popular character, if anything he'll just have Blueno use his doors to save them.

I really hope he makes a CP9 - Lucci, Spandam spinoff series 0_o not gonna happen though..