This week (Road 94-95-96-97-98-99) Discussion and predictions

[Silen]

well, this week it's my turn to start the topic :amuse

i liked when the little natureza touched his first *true* soccer ball, so sweet child!

["~Mail~"]

well, other than the juggling, Naturezza if playing a football skill (without the acrobatic display and the dazzling dribble). And true tactic of football with simple 1-2 passing and backheel (looks very alike with Tevez goal against Wigan). A clear nutmeg and not the Aurora Feint nor Chokkaku Feint.

But Rail doesn't show little of the real Raul characteristic (kissing badge).

[slc459]

Nice chapter. Thnx to SHINJI and SILEN once again for an early release.

Back to the topic, like i predicted REAL draws the first blood. Though Natureza is not the first one to score. Look how Tsubasa looks totally lost. He was so ready to score the first goal and must now be kicking himself that he could not.

Just waiting to see what his reaction will be.. Will he say the same statement that the way of Barca is to give double to what it takes?

[Blabble]

Why didn't the goalkeeper react at all to the shot? Yeah I know it was fast, but he could have jumped and tried his luck.

[Bowser]

Why didn't the goalkeeper react at all to the shot? Yeah I know it was fast, but he could have jumped and tried his luck.

Cuz the keeper sucks, remember Robercaros's Super long shot? I know he has a really good left foot and everything, but either the shot was so fast he couldn't react or the keeper just sucked cuz he saved it with one hnd - surely you could catch it with two hand no problem! This is Captain Tsubasa I suppose.

[Shinji]

How can a keeper react if he doesn't even know that it's coming?

[Blabble]

He should know that it wouldn't necessarily come from Natureza. He's not the only striker of the team.

Rail was in his field of vision (even I would have seen that) plus the shot wasn't that close. His positioning was quite bad as well. But at least I was expecting him to do a move to save face.

I think part of the problem as well was the defense for not stricter marking on rail.

[Shinji]

Saying "he should have" is always easy when you know how it ends :p You can say "he should have" for every goal of the entire series >_> You'd probably still blame Rechard if he was positioned to stop Rail, and Natureza scored. Thing is, Rechard was perfectly positioned to stop Natureza, and Natureza was the threat.

You can't say what Rechard actually had in his field of vision...

On the other hand, if you look at how Takahashi displayed the action, it should be obvious to you that it was completely unexpected.
-In this chapter, look at the picture when we, readers, saw Rail for the first time. The *first* picture he appears in is the one when the ball was already in the net. In usual shooting situations where the shoot can actually be stopped (or when the keeper can at least try to stop it), you can always see the player trapping the ball or gets in shoot position, or see him shoot with the speaker saying something.
-Even after the goal, the speaker is surprised of the outcome, hesitating to say "Goal", and taking some time before realizing that Rail scored.

This is supposed to show you that it was completely unexpected, and that it was too late as soon as Rail was noticed.

Actually, even if Rechard isn't probably such a good keeper, if I was to blame someone, I'd blame the players who let Rail free.

[Blabble]

yeah that's what i'm saying. the defenders should have closed rail earlier.

I wouldn't blame him if he was properly positioned.

better positioning compensates for slower reaction.

Rechard had rail in his field of vision, otherwise he's blind or something. he might be concentrated on natureza, but rail is in his field of vision.

[Shinji]

But, again, he's positioned, to stop Natureza, it would be stupid for Rechard to be positioned in front of Rail if Natureza is the threat, he'd just let a huge gap for Natureza. You can't say that he has slow reaction as well if Takahashi himself drew the situation in a way that says "no one could have reacted".

[Blabble]

ok so natureza gets past gonzales, where do you think he was going to shoot? I don't think he would attempt a goal at a closed angle by rechard.

I think Rechard has slow reaction based on the robecaro shoot. Anyway, I'm just disappointed in barca. The attack was good though, but the defense leaves a lot to be desired.

[chaos_master]

Quick, simple and yet fascinating, and ultimately a goal. Nice one Takahashi! Keep them coming :amuse

[Shinji]

SantaBla: It's not like Natureza's the kind of player who's limited with straight shoots. He'd probably do something fancier, but I guess that a loop shoot should be enough.

That doesn't necessarly mean that he has slow reaction. He's the only one who reacted, after all. Maybe he was ready to catch the moment Robecaro shoot, but it may be just his grip in the end.

Anyway even if Rechard is indeed not so good, every keeper can be blamed with every shoot he's taking.

[Invis]

I doubt any goalkeeper could have gotten the the ball.
First of all, he was concentrated on Natureza, who was storming into the penalty area and positioned accordingly to the left side, which let the right side open.

Then he expected a shot and was ready to face it, then instead he lifted it to the other side. We would need to know who fast the pass was, but looking at Gonzales still in the Move and nearly the same position as at the beginning of the pass, the speed has to be pretty fast. The shot itself was quite fast too.

The only things what the GK could do are either doing a stepside or immediately fall down or jump without moving. He would never got enough speed to reach the other side in just these seconds.
Okay, at least he could try moving, but it seems that the playing was so fast, he only could move his head.

I mean... how to reach other end of the goal in around... 1 second when you just stood still?

[chaos_master]

Invis, for everything you've said, all you need to do is look at Wakabayashi's saves and see how attacks like this are (easily) handled :)

[Invis]

You know...
that was what I actually thought after posting that, but I was too lazy to write that...

So now: Okay, it is a fantasy football, I forgot...^^ Looking back at Wakabayashi.... Reecardo just plain sucks xD.

[Shinji]

Wakabayashi? It's like saying Tsubasa is easy to handle because Rivaul did it >_>

Besides, I don't think Wakabayashi was in a situation like this.

[Invis]

I think anything can happen :P
There is always a way xD.

But considering Recardo is pro and playing for Barca... the playing was well executed.

[Shinji]

It's Rechard ;) CT version of the french keeper Richard Dutruel.

[Invis]

Argh... dunno why, somehow that name poped up in my mind xD

[Shinji]

Well, it's hard to keep up with the names of all the characters...
Even Natureza is often mispelled Naturezza ;)

[Bowser]

Tbh since it most likely is a goalfest, you cant expect the keepers to save everything.

[Invis]

They don't have to, they should just show their potential. Even the best GK can't keep all shoots from netting in.

[slc459]

not on the topic, watching The real football match between Barca and Manu, the scoreline currently is Barca 2 -0 Manu. It is awesome. Eto scores the first goal and messi the second one. So will Tsubasa be scoring the second goal while someone else scores the first one?

on the topic, i believe it was defenders who missed marking him and keeper just could not do anything about it.

[Blabble]

should have been a man utd - chelsea, but anyway, man utd did well first 10 mins and should have scored but then they started to suck and couldn't get back in the game. This is surprising since everyone here thought that Man utd would dominate the game. First goal was a fluke though, second one was better, however the better team tonight was barcelona. man utd didn't play well at all.

[Bowser]

First goal wasn't a fluke, Van Der Sar didn't mark up the near post good enough and the defender should've closed Eto'o down. Second goal was good. Poor old Fletcher, you wonder if Man United even tried.

[Blabble]

I think van der sar should have stopped that. The ball hit him and went in the net. Plus the way eto'o hit the ball, I think it was definitely a fluke. But anyway, Barca was the better side. Man Utd had a brillant start, and that goal just turned them off horribly. Plus I think Man Utd wasn't in shape since their last match was only like 3 days ago while Barca had quite a long rest from the spanish league.

This is my last message on this, I don't want to go anymore off topic.

[jheiar]

just i expected R madrid will get the first goal.. can i ask somthing? do you think tsubasa and rivaul play together in this match?? i mean they were both in the field playing together againts r madrid??

[Shinji]

Don't you want to wait and see what happens? It would just ruin the expectations if someone answer you.

[jheiar]

Don't you want to wait and see what happens? It would just ruin the expectations if someone answer you.

no i dont want to wait...i i hate waiting... by the way when you will post the next chapter??

[Shinji]

Well, since I don't want to ruin the chapters for you or anyone else who don't know them, sorry but I won't answer :p Expectation is part of the pleasure I believe, if you know in advance, it won't be that enjoyable ;)

It'll probably be released tonight (GMT +1), but I hope that you won't be asking this question over and over after every chapter :p

[slc459]

Well, since I don't want to ruin the chapters for you or anyone else who don't know them, sorry but I won't answer :p Expectation is part of the pleasure I believe, if you know in advance, it won't be that enjoyable ;)

It'll probably be released tonight (GMT +1), but I hope that you won't be asking this question over and over after every chapter :p

Hmm so that will be tomorrow for me along with the release of Naruto and all..

Anyways i really hope Tsubasa will score the winning goal. He should have scored the first goal..

[abo3omar]

Good 95. I don't think Natureza will do it again, the Barca squad won't take it lol.

[Tachyon]

Another counter-attack? This time though, the defense will probably watch out for the wings in addition to Natureza. I miss Owairan and his sand-pit defence , or whatever it was the entire Saudi team did.

[slc459]

Another counter-attack? This time though, the defense will probably watch out for the wings in addition to Natureza. I miss Owairan and his sand-pit defence , or whatever it was the entire Saudi team did.

It was sand pit defence, but i believe there should be someone who is playing as a libero in that case and there are none in barcas case.

[Tachyon]

Well, Tsubasa is capable of playing as a Libero , though that position doesn't exist in Barca.

[Invis]

Finally, the Devil Bullet's Twin Shoot, eh?

[tyug]

i have a feeling it'll be blocked by tsubasa who does sho's counter shot, that would be cool, but then tsubasa would be out for the season.... since his ligaments are worst than shos... what would happen... hmmms... i relaly can't guess at all...

[angel1980]

I was afraid the el Classico would have a rhythm similar to Sao Paolo v.s. Valencia (when Santana is first introduced). In SP v.s. V, the game basically has 3 stages: (1) Tsubasa displays his amazingness (2) Opponent displays his amazingness, even rivaling or exceeding that of Tsubasa (3) Tsubasa strikes back, surpasses the opponent, and the game ends. The author did this before in Nankatsu v.s. Nitta + Urabe or during the last bit of the World Youth final (Tsubasa v.s. Naturezza).

I used to like that forth-back-forth rhythm at first because it showed how wonderful Tsubasa was, adapting to strong opponents and surpassing them. However, now, the idea of Tsubasa adapting and growing has already been emphasized many times so I would be disappointed if the el Classico had the forth-back-forth rhythm. Plus, it would make the match too simplistic for me.

Fortunately, I think the el Classico is going to be like Japan v.s. Argentina, in which there are many blows and counter blows from both aces. In the J v.s. Ar match, that was between Tsubasa and Diaz and in the el Classico, it will be between Tsubasa and Naturezza. The match will oscillate back and forth many times before it's over. And when it ends, it won't be a complete defeat to Naturezza (like it wasn't for Diaz). I think Rivaul will aid Barca in ways similar to Misaki did to Nankatsu during Tsubasa's first match against Genzo, or similar to Misugi did to Japan during Japan v.s. Argentina. This way, if Tsubasa wins, it won't look like he does because he dominates Naturezza, but rather, it will be because of teamwork and the aide Tsubasa receives from Rivaul.

[chaos_master]

Just as angel said, I also think it's gonna be forth-back-forth-back-forth-...-Tsubasa wins :XD

[kenai]

i have a feeling it'll be blocked by tsubasa who does sho's counter shot, that would be cool, but then tsubasa would be out for the season.... since his ligaments are worst than shos... what would happen... hmmms... i relaly can't guess at all...

I also think the shoot will be stopped, but I bet Gonzales is the one who is going to, somehow, do the miracle, since:

1) He is the first man at the left in barça's defense line (considering the case the shoot is going to have its curving path)
2) He's also next to tsubasa, so he can easily jump and serve as a shield for him (in the case the shoot pass just with a straight forward path like it did when they performed the dual kick the first time, blowing up the head's wood dollman).
3) His big body is the most suitable to stop the shoot

[majed2000]

I also think the shoot will be stopped, but I bet Gonzales is the one who is going to, somehow, do the miracle, since:

1) He is the first man at the left in barça's defense line (considering the case the shoot is going to have its curving path)
2) He's also next to tsubasa, so he can easily jump and serve as a shield for him (in the case the shoot pass just with a straight forward path like it did when they performed the dual kick the first time, blowing up the head's wood dollman).
3) His big body is the most suitable to stop the shoot

WOOW ....the new chapter is out ,and ur predictions all come tru ,really did u know what will happen or it is gust luck ,if it is good luck ,then please predicte what will happen next ,because the waiting is killing me ....please

[kenai]

WOOW ....the new chapter is out ,and ur predictions all come tru ,really did u know what will happen or it is gust luck ,if it is good luck ,then please predicte what will happen next ,because the waiting is killing me ....please

O_O
Awesome!! I got right!!! xD
I just was lucky ^^u

It's cool to see in the last chapter the same scene as in World Youth between Tsubasa and Natureza.

At that time Tsubasa won (and that's mainly why Natureza decided to go to Spain and become a pro-soccer player), so this time Natureza HAS to win. I don't think he will score though... he can't perform 2 goals in this match that fast...probably Natureza is going to make a pass to robecaro but either he is going to fail (just like Grandios failed in chapter 93- when tsubasa made a pass to him while performing an overhead shoot) or Barça's defense is going to show how skilled they are... I think if it's a shoot from robecaro, someone in barça's defense is going to deflect it.

Anyway, whatever happens, I think 2 goals in a row from R.Madrid would be too much, considering that Tsubasa has to prove that he can fit Rivaul's position perfectly.

[angel1980]

I've read Road 97 3 times now. Really like it. Naturezza is my new favorite foreign (i.e. non Japanese) player. The only thing he lacks so far is a named shot.

I really wish Schneider got this kind of coverage that Naturezza is getting.

[Shinji]

You know, considering we saw Schneider in Hamburg, Germany and especially Bayern, he got much more coverage than Natureza ^_^;; you could say that it's the first time Natureza is actually covered, considering he played only for a few minutes in the World Youth.
He has the Nidan Flying Drive Shoot :)

[Invis]

Lol, Almieja's son's friend is kinda creepy...

Bah, but looking at the ball... and considering we don't see how Almieja hit Marientos, I somehow think that he hit the ball.

[chaos_master]

It might be a yellow for Morientes if it was a simulation. We didn't see the clash well enough and because of that, in order to build suspense for the next chapter, I think that's exactly what will happen. It's too predictable actually (and CT as a whole) and I'd be more surprised if it does end up a penalty and red card :)

[majed2000]

it's already the second yellow card ,that mean he will take the red card for sure.
about the penalty , if it happen it will be goal for sure special wz the level of barca's goalkeeper, making the scoare 2-0 will be the reason why rivaul must inter the match since tsubasa will be alone ,and barca will be only 10 players.
the strange thing about this volum ,it's name (breaking the white wall),and barca didn't scoar any goal ,what does Taka mean by that name ?!!!!.


i feel that Shinji want to release another chapter today ...wow that will be great ....hugh thanks 4 u Shinji.

[angel1980]

You know, considering we saw Schneider in Hamburg, Germany and especially Bayern, he got much more coverage than Natureza ^_^;; you could say that it's the first time Natureza is actually covered, considering he played only for a few minutes in the World Youth.
He has the Nidan Flying Drive Shoot :)

I wasn't clear with what I meant.

My lamentation regarding Schneider's coverage was that during Bayern v.s. Hamburg, we didn't get to see much of Schneider's (former) brilliance. Mostly, we saw his frustration and his inability to overcome Wakabayashi. Schneider pretty much didn't stand a chance unless something really unusual happened (compounded super passes from teammates, Wakabayashi leaving goal post to join an offense). I didn't like how, lately, Schneider v.s. Wakabayashi rivalry has made Schneider into some sort of a joke. He has been more or less completely outgrown by Wakabayashi. And, also, the 50-50 chance thing of scoring against Wakabayashi is nothing more than an irrelevant nostalgic wishful thinking that Schneider clings onto to feel good about himself.

On the other hand, Tsubasa v.s. Naturezza rivalry really makes Naturezza shine like a bright star in the sky.

[Shinji]

majed2000: A volume's title is always the title of one of the chapters. Here, it was the title of chapter 92.
As for the meaning of the chapter's title, destroying "the wall" doesn't necessarly mean scoring a goal. In this chapter, Tsubasa has shaken the stability of the defense, and thus, "destroyed the wall".

angel1980: You could think that way... But you could also think that Schneider managed to win, was the one who broke Wakabayashi's invincibility record, was the only player who could score to him, scoring twice, one of the goals being from outside of the penalty area. I mean, more than that and Wakabayashi wouldn't even have put a good fight, right?
Now, Natureza sure has fancy techniques and everything, but it's not like he did what Schneider accomplished.

[Invis]

Ha, I was right with Almieja hitting the ball^^

And nice distraction Tsubasa caused due to Natureza being focused on fighting Tsubasa and looking at the Chapter Name, I'd suppose, that Tsubasa scores the very next chapter or in the next play :x

Edit: @slc459: Sorry to have spoiled it to you, read the chapter, when it was released and I had to talk about it :x

[slc459]

Ha, I was right with Almieja hitting the ball^^

And nice distraction Tsubasa caused due to Natureza being focused on fighting Tsubasa and looking at the Chapter Name, I'd suppose, that Tsubasa scores the very next chapter or in the next play :x

this was spoiler to me, i still have not read the chapter. anyways i really wanted to thank Shinji and Silen for the releases. it was awesome read. Taka really left most chpaters on a cliff hanger..

EDIT:
Just completed reading the chapter and it was good. does not look like Tsubasa will score this goal, it might be scored by someone else here..

[chaos_master]

Personally, I think if anyone is gonna score the first goal for Barsa, it's gonna be Tsubasa :) And by the looks of things, that goal is going to be coming quite soon.

[abo3omar]

Is it just me or does that artwork look nothing like Shingo Aoi? 0.o

[Shinji]

It's just you ;)
The angle of his face is a bit unusual though.

[abo3omar]

So unusual that you can only know him by reading the name :s

He looks like a Tsubasuyama :P

[Shinji]

They aren't so small, do not have such fuzzy hair, aren't wearing their uniform like that, and aren't so lively with such a big smile (especially Matsuyama).
With his eyebrows in that angle it looks like he's frowning a bit, but that's really the only detail that could have a slight resemblance to them >_>

[abo3omar]

Exactly. Also the hair and the nose are alittle bit different, and the eyes usually are more rounded. Look at the moment where he and Hyuga punched each other's hands. That's how his face should be. Anywayz you're right about the jump and the uniform.

[Shinji]

That's not the same angle :p That's why you feel it's different when it isn't.
For example, look at a coin 3/4 from below, it's not a perfect circle, is it?
Well, Aoi's face is 3/4 below, so his eyes aren't that round, you sse his nose a bit from below, and it looks like he's frowning, and so on...

[Bowser]

This ref is awesome! He should ref the current games now instead of the crappy ones we see nowadays!

[abo3omar]

OK Shnji, got it..thanx ^^ but we agree about the eyebrows lol

Yeah the referee's decision is a good one.

[slc459]

nice chapter.. but like i told earlier the goal does not look like it will be scored by Tsuabasa

But yellow to someone from Real coz he was actiing was never expected..

[majed2000]

Invis: ya u were right about Almieja ,but really i like it that way ,didn't like barca to play the rest of the match wz 10 players ,the situation is already difficult for them .

i think tsubasa will scoar soon. according to Shinji's explanation to my post befor( thankx Shinji ),this volum will have a chapter wz name ( la liga first goal ),so it is tsubasa's goal 4 sure ,unless there is another player who didn't scoar his first goal yet n la liga and this unlikly.

abo3omar: from the first sight i knew that he is Aoi who was drawn n that cover ,i felt the drawings so lively ,this fits Aoi only.

Shinji: r u going to release another chapter this week end or tomorrow ,usually when u finish ur weekend releases u make nots about every chapter .

i am wondering too if there is a color art for misaki too.

[jheiar]

i would like to say thank you to shinji for translating and posting this great manga.... hope you post chapter 100 soon hehe:eyeroll

[Shinji]

majed2000: Well, since the week's over, there won't be another chapter this week.
I'd gladly release another chapter today, but I don't have the translation past that point yet ;)
There was already a color art for Misaki in chapter 19 ;) But there will be another in chapter 109 >_>

[Blabble]

I can't wait till we get to golden 23 :)

I haven't liked the recent chapters much, because there was too much talking and not enough action, but that card for diving was a refreshing twist. I don't know how you guys predicted that, but I didn't expect that at all. I really thought Almieja would get kicked out of the game.

[Shinji]

I like a bit of talk once in a while, because it's giving depth to some characters, or clearer explanations...

In this match, there are many things with the secondary characters that I'd like to see happen in All Japan's matches.
Like Jito blocking some shoots like Gonzales (Blueno's header and the Twin Shoot) or Blueno (the Overhead) did, Soda doing all the things Almieja did (blocking Natureza's path, doing a foul on him, and the little twist on the second yellow card as well), even Misugi should do some foul like Ivangel did, if it's a well-thought foul like this one, this should fit Misugi's character.
It's just like Rail scoring, it's surprising, I mean in this kind of club match, usually only the 2 aces are scoring, like, only Hyuga and Tsubasa in Toho-Nankatsu, only Tsubasa and Santana in Sao Paulo-Flamengo...

With all of this, I find it to be one of the best, if not the best match of the entire series.

[Invis]

I can't wait till we get to golden 23 :)

I haven't liked the recent chapters much, because there was too much talking and not enough action, but that card for diving was a refreshing twist. I don't know how you guys predicted that, but I didn't expect that at all. I really thought Almieja would be kicked out of the game.

Ah, well, as it was just speculation, I got irritated by how the ball lay off the "natural" way. It went a way, like it was hit from the left side of Marientos, which could mean Almieja actually did hit the ball, which is more likely than while hitting Marientos, he or Marientos somehow touched the ball to go a way like this. If Almieja just fouled Marientos, the ball would be in front of him instead in the side. That made me curious.

["~Mail~"]

Its a long time since I make a havoc in the forum.. Well this goes..

1st, I agree with Invis.. The ball is quite fast and if Almeija had hit is as Invis said, the ball should either be deflected to Marientos, or Almeija hold the ball to his feet or return (in term or reverse) to the originating ball path. But never go to the side like simple tap movement.

2nd, how did Gonzales able to predict or saw the ball path? Twin shoot had never been (in CT) move in 1 simple direction nor Robecaro shoot being in un"curves" angle. Even if Gonzales able to block it, the ball should at least rotates furiously as Genzo had experiences it. Its like the shot was a simple devil bullet shoot and the effect of the ball are easily dealt with.

3rd, Marientos doesn't do the theatrical 'Ronaldo' dives but just 'Messi' dives for avoiding the block and Almeija foot. The referees should at least played waved on like most of the current referees do and let the game continue as the moment was quite fast and there was no one shouting for penalty (because in pg 14-15, the player only said penalty after the whistle and most of them are shocked).

4th, the card should not be shown at someone whom isn't back up yet and showing it earlier clearly show the unsportmanship by the referee. Almeija also was shocked by the referee showing it like it was for him. Too much drama (in this game) is not necessary.

5th, lastly as a playmaker, you shouldn't be shouting for the ball to be pass to other player. And the showing of hand should be mininal (or in disguise). But on the other hand, what kind of stupid defense did Real do marking a playmaker (whom doesn't have the ball) by two players and the third are also incoming. Naturezza mistake was shown but the others?? If naturezza is trying to defend, the other should atleast understand it. Most striker do defend when the ball are not with them and Naturezza is a MF AND its only the halfway line. Olgado is the DUMD@$$ one as he's out of his territory. Makelolo is okay but his word is dum-dumb. Where is Fago? His side is widely marked and yet he's not there. Gati should be responsible for the left as also Rail. Come on man, both FW's whom stayed in the front should atleast help in covering places that not being marked.

[Shinji]

Seriously, why are you reading CT?

[chaos_master]

Loved Mail's rant :XD Not because I agree with it, but because it's a difference in opinion and quite emphatically presented too :)

Shinji's return was hilarious too :D

[slc459]

Nice pondering by Shinji..

I really did not expect this

[Blabble]

Torturing yourself was a fad of the old days. It's like... nobody gives a shit anymore.