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Gold Knight
October 02, 2006, 01:21 PM
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Here we go, in style!

Hiya. Sorry about taking a while to do Bleach this time around - I spent the weekend watching American football ( the Eyeshield 21 version! ) and doing other things. I had originally planned to get Bleach Comments out last Friday, but thought I'd wait until M7 released their version but which wasn't until later that day. So, here we go, on a fine Monday morning, instead.

Feel free to comment as always and please enjoy. :thumbs


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on Bleach Chapter 245: The Way Without Enemies. * * *


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I wonder what Hueco Mundo tea is like...

1. Preparations Before the Battle... Well, Aizen wasn't just tossing words around, he really did bring out the tea. Reminds me of how feudal Japanese clan leaders used to deal with each other. They'd usually talk negotiations at tea ceremonies. With that in mind, I wonder if Aizen feels like he's always having to barter with these monsters in order to get them to do what he wants them to do. Although ever since we first saw Momo at Aizen's apartment (http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/616/mangarainbleachch10009wf6.png), I did get the sense that he was old-fashioned, and he might just still be that way here. (Gotta admit I wish Aizen still had that old hair-style, for some reason...)

Could also be a pretty unique method of showing us that these Espada weren't your typical starving spirits, because they're all sitting together at an elaborate table and drinking tea with their master. All together, they do appear very much like the Gotei 13 of the Hueco Mundo.

(Which makes me wonder: Is Gin and Tousen more powerful than Ulquiorra, therefore they'd be considered No. 1 and No. 2 of the Espada *if* they had been Hollows...?)


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ZOMG, it's the protagonists of the series!

2. Let's Play Space Invaders! I'm actually surprised - I don't know why I was. But finding out that Aizen's meeting had been about Ichigo, Ishida, and Chad after all... well, that wasn't very enlightening. Bah. I had the impression that Aizen wouldn't have even cared enough to call a meeting regarding these three, and would have moved on to other matters quickly enough.

For one thing, their ultimate plan - their mission to kill the king of the Soul Society, and their search for the Royal Key. What Aizen expected of the Espada to do for him. Ah, well.

Guess they're all still waiting for the Orb of Distortion to come out of hibernation in order to discuss all that, despite Aizen being able to still use it to create more Arrancar.

So, I suppose Aizen was just being prudent here. And with reason, it seems...


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Not very impressed, are they?

3. Arrogance Galore...! Well, not too terribly surprised that the room's full of proud monsters. Aizen's the one who probably promoted them all, after all, and that being the case, they're at the top of the food chain in a very bloodthristy world of predators. Of course they're full of pride and feeling like three humans are beneath their notice.

In any event, we get a closer look at four of the Espada here:

1) This is the "mysterious one" that some regard as possibly being the Primero Espada but who I believe is actually the fifth, Quinto Espada. We now clearly see that he's wearing what seems to be a full mask, which is odd, considering that most of the Arrancar have their masks at least partially removed.

2) The "taciturn dwarf" which certainly seemed to fulfill that description here. Probably an axe murderer in his previous life!

3) This is the one I commented looked like a "hacker/charmer" in the last chapter. Seems like he's kinda haughty, too. Perhaps he's of royal blood?

4) Yama - heh, his facial expression says it all here. Although, he should know better than anybody how dangerous Ichigo can be - he lost an arm once to him. So for him to act disinterested, he might be just trying to fool the others into thinking that he isn't threatened. Gotta worry about status, after all.


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...even though they're bugs!

Despite the Espada's first impressions, we did have our first indication here that Aizen was indeed a bit impressed by Ichigo while watching the ryoka invasion from the Central 46 Chambers. Anyone who can defeat captain after captain and achieve ban kai in less than a month - well, yeah. That's gotta open even Aizen's eyes.

But if Aizen called the meeting in order to warn the Espada about Ichigo and his friends, though, it's weird how he ended it. But I'll get to that in a moment.


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The lady's smart.

4. Shifting Attitudes. As would have been expected, Aizen's acknowledgement of the invaders as a distinct threat changed the behavior of the Espada almost immediately. If Aizen himself told them to watch out...

Although I suppose that Aizen might be more concerned about the Espada losing their lives. Even though he could probably create more with the Orb, it'd be a bother to have to deal with inexperienced and possibly weaker Espada.

We get some more closer looks at the Espada here:

1) Looks like my "pissed savage" description last week wasn't too far off, judging by the skull earring the big dude is wearing here! Seems a little mild-mannered even so, though. But of course, he's not fighting right now, either...

2) Ulquiorra, being his usual self.

3) We finally get our look at what "Umbrella Head's" face looks like. Gotta admit I'm a little disappointed here. He seems more like a punk than any sort of formidable enemy. Though he does remind me a bit of Orochimaru from the Naruto series.

4) A closer look at HAG, or Hot Arrancar Girl. Gotta admit that she looks like a babe, after all. I was half-expecting some kind of ugly lady (since we haven't really had one at all yet in the series). She seems like one of the more prudent Espada. Guess she'd be, being the only female.

Sidenote: Noticed that the only Espada that we didn't really get to hear from at all in this chapter was the one sitting by Ulquiorra? Somehow, I get a feeling that he'll be one of the more interesting ones.


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Why don't I believe you, Grimmy?

5. Yeah, Sure... Gotta admit I don't blame Tousen for being suspicious here. Despite his twisted sense of justice, he does have a good nose for knowing who would be the most bloodthristy and troublesome (first Kenpachi and now Grimmjow). Additionally, in my opinion, Grimmjow most definitely is not acting on Aizen's behalf here. Immediately after seeing Ichigo, you could tell by his facial expression he wanted just to smash the dude's face in, no matter what the consequences.

Well, he's defied Aizen before by bringing Arrancar to Kamakura town, so he was already on a tight leash...

Still, even though it wasn't the brightest move to just get up from the table and trying to leave without being excused, that's just Grimmjow. He's impulsive, not the type to listen to anybody, and definitely not courteous. And well, you gotta admire his guts. He's not afraid of anybody, apparently - not even Aizen. He's probably the only Espada that would like nothing more than kicking Aizen off his high throne.

And Aizen knows it.


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Hm, Aizen and...

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...Lord Vader would be good buddies, huh?

6. One with the Dark Side... First Orihime, now Grimmjow. Aizen sure doesn't mess around with that spiritual pressure of his! Again, like I said that other chapter, must be pretty convenient to have, if you're aspiring to be a master villain, that is.

And hey, obviously Tite Kubo must be a Darth Vader fan. Aizen sure seems to treat his own people the same way - by ruling with an iron hand, or should I say, choking 'em with an unseen hand?

Intimidation, ruthlessness, hell, whatever it takes. And one more thing...


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Aizen-sama is so cool!

7. Well, Why Didn't You Just Say So! ...Aizen certainly knows how to sweet-talk. Of course, doesn't make much sense why he'd just call a meeting to inform the Espada about the invaders, then finish it by announcing that they need not fear from any enemies with him around. But hey, that's politics for you, I suppose.

Not too surprising Aizen would go with what had served him so well in the past - depending on the "admiration" of others to get what he wants. Aizen, however, better be aware that these Arrancar aren't seeing anything through rose-colored glasses like his former subordinate, Hinamori Momo, used to do. Not that Hinamori was gullible by any means, but she was[ naive, wanted to be in his divison from the beginning and had already thought of him as a idol when she was accepted. Bad mistake, huh...?

But in this case, instead of a little girl with a crush on him, Aizen's having to deal with violent undead criminals with a natural mistrusting of everything around them. Interesting how that'll go!

Sidenote: I can see how Tousen would love that kind of speech, though. I suppose I understand him a little better now, considering that with Aizen as his leader, he believes that there will be lesser resistance in his mission for overall peace. He's not really looking so much to eliminate anybody, even Hollows (that'd explain why he'd work with them), but trying to create a world of order. Even if it is a world dictated by Aizen's ideals, but Tousen obviously believes that would be the way to least bloodslaughter. Mostly because his leader can easily suppress everybody around him. The lesser of two evils, in Tousen's book - either you have a world that's continously being warred between the Shinigami and the Hollows with a Quincy and human beings thrown into the mix, or an empire of peace with everybody forced to work for Aizen...?

As for Gin, hey, you gotta love the guy. We still have no idea what he's thinking, we just get a sense that he's thoroughly enjoying everything going on.


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Here, here, kitty...!

8. Mirages and Animals...? Somewhat expected Las Noches to be farther off than Ichigo's group initially thought, due to the talk about weird perspectives last chapter.

But not "Hollow animals." Though, the first thing I thought of when I saw them was that Hollow which had "little helpers." (http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1919/bleach020305al0.png) Wouldn't be surprised if it went to alert its "master" of their presence.

As for the part where Ishida said that these Hollows might be feeding on a dense amount of reishi in the atmosphere, intriguing. Guess they probably just go to Earth for some more "flavors," then?


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Ohhh... Chad's flexing his right hand...?

9. More Power...?! Seeing Chad flexing his left hand there after all that talk of the reishi in the atmosphere strengthening Quincys and Shinigamis as well as Hollows, leads me to firmly believe that we'll soon be seeing him with not just one, but *two* arms of the Giant. Or at least acquiring a more powerful left hand.

In which case, ouch, watch out Espada. This guy's gonna be doing some serious pummelling.


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Oh, won't ANYBODY help me out! Waaah!

10. O RLY...! Anybody want to bet that this person in need of help is actually just another lure? There's way too many Hollows following him...! (Neat design for the left one, though - looks like an African mask.)

Of course, if it does turn out to be a new character that might be assisting Ichigo and his group, that'd probably be a better twist. Guess we'll find out later in the week.

RATING: 3.5 out of 5 stars. Unfortunately this wasn't a very exciting chapter at all. But I suppose Tite Kubo's just preparing himself for all the craziness that'll be coming soon afterwards, but it felt a lot like he just took a week off this time around. It was fun to see more of the Espada, though.

Predictions: Yeah, we'll probably see Ichigo, Ishida, and Chad fight off some more Hollows. And quite likely find out why they're having such a hard time getting to Las Noches.

Credits: Another nice job by M7 this week, although not the same quality of their work last week. Thanks to Pocketmofo and Winterlion both for translating.

Hope you enjoyed, and looking forward to seeing what you think!


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Yeah, Ishida, shut up and let the others comment! <3

glasskatana
October 02, 2006, 02:22 PM
good job. Aizen is waaayyy too powerful. How is Ichigo possibly gonna take him down?

Gold Knight
October 02, 2006, 02:36 PM
good job. Aizen is waaayyy too powerful. How is Ichigo possibly gonna take him down?


I don't believe that Ichigo will be able to take Aizen down right now. But all Ichigo has to worry about right now is rescuing Orihime.

glasskatana
October 02, 2006, 02:39 PM
I don't believe that Ichigo will be able to take Aizen down right now. But all Ichigo has to worry about right now is rescuing Orihime.

...for that matter, how are ichigo, chad, and ishida planning to escape. :blink

sabyr
October 02, 2006, 03:34 PM
...for that matter, how are ichigo, chad, and ishida planning to escape. :blink


the Gotei 13 will come to help of course! they will help fight the espada![br]Posted on: October 02, 2006, 04:33:44 PM_________________________________________________just what i been thinking since two weeks ago.

xi0
October 02, 2006, 03:50 PM
Too predictable. I'm going with the Vizards. They have a vested interest in Ichigo.

Gold Knight
October 02, 2006, 03:54 PM
Yes, Aizen could just be challenging his Espada right now. In the end, he's so confident that his plan will go smoothly that he probably wouldn't care if Ichigo and his group got away. However, he does seem to want Orihime. Guess we'll see.

gigantor21
October 02, 2006, 04:37 PM
Yes, Aizen could just be challenging his Espada right now. In the end, he's so confident that his plan will go smoothly that he probably wouldn't care if Ichigo and his group got away. However, he does seem to want Orihime. Guess we'll see.

Well, I'm not so sure. How could Aizen be challenging his Espada with a group that he doesn't take seriously (and rightly so)? After all, Ichigo could only beat Grimmjow in the 10 seconds that his mask was on, and Grimmjow's only ranked 6th. My guess is that the top 5 won't have as much trouble with Ichigo right now.

On a side note, I can't even say whether or not H.A.G. (that acronym sucks) is good-looking-- her eyes and her forehead aren't much to go on. And we have seen an ugly girl in Bleach--remember when we saw the gorilla-looking girl that beat Tatsuki in the nationals in the same volume that Orihime got her powers? I was left impotent for days after I first saw her.

bax
October 02, 2006, 05:21 PM
And hey, obviously Tite Kubo must be a Darth Vader fan. Aizen sure seems to treat his own people the same way - by ruling with an iron hand, or should I say, choking 'em with an unseen hand?

A fan of DV eh...?? Seems like he got a glimpse on Aizen's power. How should I put it..? It seems like Aizen really dislike people disobeying him. But his action that day might caused Grimmjaw to rebel and double cross Aizen, wouldn't him?


In which case, ouch, watch out Espada. This guy's gonna be doing some serious pummelling.

It's been too long since we saw a good Chad's fight. The last one is SS against Captain <whatever his name is> (I really had problems to remember his name). Perhaps we'll the hype of Chad's "Bankai" in this arc. But I smell something bad though about this one. Perhaps lose conciousness?


Anybody want to bet that this person in need of help is actually just another lure? There's way too many Hollows following him...! (Neat design for the left one, though - looks like an African mask.)

I'm predicting it's a new character. Well we saw a group of Vaizards (Shinji's group), ex-Shinigami who obtained the Hollow powers and detach themselves from SS. Why not we'll see a Group of Hollow who has gained the power of Arrancar and detached themselves from HM. My best bet, they refuse to be Aizen's lackeys. And this one we saw running from the Hollow is either doesn't wants to reveal his/her identity or just a crackhead of the Hollow rebel group.

Anyway, I'm looking for your next comments. Good one as always. Although this chapter is not as exciting as a chapter, but it's important when it is combined into a volume. Because this chapter has the upclose of the Espada, the revelation of spirit power in HM atmosphere and also a glimpse at Aizen's power. Time for some Futsal now...

Luckas
October 02, 2006, 05:58 PM
Great comments as always Gold Knight.

1) Very interesting points, we'll see if Tito will develop this idea.

2) Good point, my only idea is that Aizen called the meeting to prevent some Espadas to go chasing Ichigo's group. But I don't know why Aizen should want that.

3) I thought Aizen has lost interest in Ichigo, in chap 236 Ulquiorra clearly stated that Ichigo's progress (the hollow mask) was too little. So why Aizen said to the Espadas not to understimate them, I think Aizen has some hidden reasons.

5) I'll agree completely with you.

6) I like the way you commented that, very good comparison.

7) Interesting points, but as I already said I think Tito is creating too much things, which should need development and that he'll never develop.

8) I don't know, these animals function could be only that to better describe Heuco Mundo, without any hidden meaning.

9) I would have never thought of this, I believe you have a "crazy" imagination.

10) Both posible, we'll see.

I really enjoed this chapter, I loved the insights about Espadas and Aizen and the little talking in Ichigo's group, and we saw the lonely silouhette of Orihime. Now, because of her, Ichigo will fight a fully healed Grimmjow, I believe this opens the path for a good plot twist.

The Fourth
October 02, 2006, 11:21 PM
1. of course he was serious with the tea!
I wonder what brand his choice was.Lipton?Pickwick?
3.The mysterious one is the coolest, I really hope he is number one
the dwarfs face reminds me of that guys face from DBZ who built the droids
4.Again the girl is the one who respects Aizen the most.Damn gigolo.
5.Grimmjaw, he is just stupid :notrust
6.I find your lack of...respect disturbing.That served him right.
7.Sweet talk indeed. I think the meeting was to keep the invadors alive for some reason and to make Tousen satisfied.I think if Aizen fears someone in his group its him.
10. I think that person is going to help Ichigos team.With some informations at least.for example:how to get to that damn building earlier!?

btw nice work again GK :)

kiddo7
October 03, 2006, 11:04 AM
awesome comments,
...will be back with my impressions later

Gold Knight
October 03, 2006, 11:41 AM
Well, I'm not so sure. How could Aizen be challenging his Espada with a group that he doesn't take seriously (and rightly so)? After all, Ichigo could only beat Grimmjow in the 10 seconds that his mask was on, and Grimmjow's only ranked 6th. My guess is that the top 5 won't have as much trouble with Ichigo right now.

Agreed. I believe Ichigo will be in for a rude awakening, and that Chad and Ishida may actually have to carry him through this time around. Which would be a neat twist.


On a side note, I can't even say whether or not H.A.G. (that acronym sucks) is good-looking-- her eyes and her forehead aren't much to go on. And we have seen an ugly girl in Bleach--remember when we saw the gorilla-looking girl that beat Tatsuki in the nationals in the same volume that Orihime got her powers? I was left impotent for days after I first saw her.


Hahahaahahaha.



A fan of DV eh...?? Seems like he got a glimpse on Aizen's power. How should I put it..? It seems like Aizen really dislike people disobeying him. But his action that day might caused Grimmjaw to rebel and double cross Aizen, wouldn't him?

I like Darth Vader, of course. Who doesn't? XD But anyway - yeah, I agree, even though I firmly believe that Grimmjow won't ever help Ichigo and the others out, Aizen definitely doesn't have a friend in him, either. Grimmjow's too independent in the first place. Right now he's following Aizen because he believes that it'll lead them to something great, but if he ever changes his opinion... mutiny time!


It's been too long since we saw a good Chad's fight. The last one is SS against Captain <whatever his name is> (I really had problems to remember his name). Perhaps we'll the hype of Chad's "Bankai" in this arc. But I smell something bad though about this one. Perhaps lose conciousness?

Captain Shunsui, yeah. We'll definitely get a good Chad fight soon with one of the Espada, I think.


I'm predicting it's a new character. Well we saw a group of Vaizards (Shinji's group), ex-Shinigami who obtained the Hollow powers and detach themselves from SS. Why not we'll see a Group of Hollow who has gained the power of Arrancar and detached themselves from HM. My best bet, they refuse to be Aizen's lackeys. And this one we saw running from the Hollow is either doesn't wants to reveal his/her identity or just a crackhead of the Hollow rebel group.

That would be interesting and you could be right. Good prediction.


Anyway, I'm looking for your next comments. Good one as always. Although this chapter is not as exciting as a chapter, but it's important when it is combined into a volume. Because this chapter has the upclose of the Espada, the revelation of spirit power in HM atmosphere and also a glimpse at Aizen's power. Time for some Futsal now...


Heh - Agreed on it being an important transition from chapter to chapter, thanks for commenting again :)



Great comments as always Gold Knight.

1) Very interesting points, we'll see if Tito will develop this idea.

2) Good point, my only idea is that Aizen called the meeting to prevent some Espadas to go chasing Ichigo's group. But I don't know why Aizen should want that.

Yeah, to prepare the Espada would keep things going more smoothly, I think. Why make things any more worse than they are? There's probably a reason why Aizen didn't want Grimmjow to run off and fight solo right away, it would probably have disrupted his plan.


3) I thought Aizen has lost interest in Ichigo, in chap 236 Ulquiorra clearly stated that Ichigo's progress (the hollow mask) was too little. So why Aizen said to the Espadas not to understimate them, I think Aizen has some hidden reasons.

Yes, but Aizen also heard from Grimmjow probably about how much stronger Ichigo had gotten.



9) I would have never thought of this, I believe you have a "crazy" imagination.


Maaaybe... but why is he flexing his hand there then? xD


I really enjoed this chapter, I loved the insights about Espadas and Aizen and the little talking in Ichigo's group, and we saw the lonely silouhette of Orihime. Now, because of her, Ichigo will fight a fully healed Grimmjow, I believe this opens the path for a good plot twist.


You mean like Grimmjow spanking Ichigo and Ichigo's friends having to bail him out? Hehe.



1. of course he was serious with the tea!
I wonder what brand his choice was.Lipton?Pickwick?

Herbal tea?


3.The mysterious one is the coolest, I really hope he is number one
the dwarfs face reminds me of that guys face from DBZ who built the droids

Never seen the guy in DBZ, so will have to take your word for it. But as for the mysterious one, we'll see.


4.Again the girl is the one who respects Aizen the most.Damn gigolo.

XD


5.Grimmjaw, he is just stupid :notrust
6.I find your lack of...respect disturbing.That served him right.

Good DV line. :D


7.Sweet talk indeed. I think the meeting was to keep the invadors alive for some reason and to make Tousen satisfied.I think if Aizen fears someone in his group its him.

True. Tousen is definitely the one Aizen has to worry about the most. Good point, again.


10. I think that person is going to help Ichigos team.With some informations at least.for example:how to get to that damn building earlier!?

btw nice work again GK :)


Guess we'll find out, and thanks. :)

Luckas
October 03, 2006, 12:00 PM
Maaaybe... but why is he flexing his hand there then? xD
He's preparing to punch Ichigo and Ishida, because of their bickering :XD

Gold Knight
October 03, 2006, 12:22 PM
He's preparing to punch Ichigo and Ishida, because of their bickering :XD


Well... why'd I never think of that! XD

goofy_man
October 03, 2006, 09:48 PM
Alternate telling of Aizen questioning GrimmJow:

GrimmJow: It is for Aizen-sama's sake.....that I will destroy them!!
*Aizen turns to GrimmJow; "shows off" his reiatsu*
Aizen: Is Aizen-sama going to have choke a bitch? Because Aizen-sama will choke a bitch.

Sorry GK, after your comparision of Aizen and Darth Vader.....had to get that out....

*ahem*
I am quite interested as well in Chad flexing his left hand.....although that might make his new powers a little too much like Edorado's (the Arrancar Ikkaku went hotblooded on a while back) zanpakuto release.....hope that's not what happens.....or Kubo puts a nice spin on it to make it unique to Chad.

Gold Knight
October 04, 2006, 01:44 AM
*ahem*
I am quite interested as well in Chad flexing his left hand.....although that might make his new powers a little too much like Edorado's (the Arrancar Ikkaku went hotblooded on a while back) zanpakuto release.....hope that's not what happens.....or Kubo puts a nice spin on it to make it unique to Chad.


Very good point about that being too similar to Edorado's release. One thing I have faith in though is that Tite Kubo will definitely figure out a way to make Chad look a lot cooler than that, though, if it does happen to be something like that.

I really think this will be Chad's time to shine in this storyarc. Tite Kubo has already shown us what Ichigo can do with his ban kai, and what Ishida can do with all his Quincy powers pushed to their extremes. Chad is still a virtual unknown in comparison, if you think about it.

goofy_man
October 04, 2006, 02:08 AM
Maybe we'll see Chad pull off a super attack of sorts in this arc.....one possibility that does come to my mind is his "Limit Break"-esque move in the game Bleach: Blade Battlers.....which is simply:
Chad pulling off a 100-hit combo (with his arm armor activated), and lands the 100th punch with his arm blast move.


I remember seeing a teaser clip for that game with that move in it.....forgot where I saw it though.....