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Gold Knight
October 02, 2006, 07:01 PM
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Woo hoo!

Whoa! Bleach and OP Comments in the same day! That's a first for me, guys. ;)

First off, I would like to thank Harrmd for his quick MQ scanlations of OP these days - they're definitely good enough to keep us satisfied until the high-quality scanlation groups catch up. Last week was a treat with Fnuckale providing HQ images, but I don't want to take up his time too much. He's been fasting this weekend, after all, don't want to get him too cranky. He did provide the header this time around, though. Thanks, Fnucky ;)

Finally, just a warning here, but I won't be able to keep this up forever. I've had tons of fun doing Bleach and OP for the last month and so, but I'm much more likely to eventually neglect reviewing both these manga than Naruto, especially when winter gets here. If anybody would like to do their own weekly reviews on either Bleach or OP, please go ahead and post 'em in the Mangaverse main section. I won't mind at all. I know we have plenty of insightful members here!

Anyway, have fun and feel free to comment as always!


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on One Piece Chapter 429: Total Defeat! * * *


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Where's my adoring worshippers...?

1. Moonstruck Part II. Didn't expect a follow-up to last week's glimpse at Enel's ship. Guess I already said it all last time, though - but looks like there's no green-skinned aliens greeting Enel, after all. Or maybe they're just hiding... :ninja

As for everybody who says, "wait a minute, Enel's on the moon without an oxygen suit!?" Well yeah, the dude's made of lightning. However... according to wikipedia, lightning requires the electrical breakdown of gas, so it cannot exist in a visual form in the vacuum of space. Hmm. Oh well, maybe Enel's full of gas.


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Oh yeah, that's why they're not firing...

2. Protect Nico Robin At All Costs...! Heh, must be frustrating for the Marines to have to lay off firing at Luffy's ship just because one of his crew is so important.

Alright, I get it now, finally - after weeks of confusion! Sorry, guys. But, yeah, thanks to ironthought's post last week, I now see the light...! The reason the Navy/Marines wanted to keep Robin alive was because of her ability to read the ponegylphs necessary for finding Poseidon, which did skip my mind all this time. That's why they held off on firing all this time, so that explains that.

And here, Oda himself finally remembered to remind us that the Marines actually didn't want Robin to die... yet. (Wonder if he reads my Comments.) Although, no, he didn't explain why again, but luckily, ironthought already did for me. Thanks.

That's one thing I'm not too crazy about while reading OP, though, is Oda's tendency to make his storylines so complicated that half the time the casual reader (and yes, I do count myself as one) can completely forget exactly why events are taking place.

Anyway, that just goes to show just treacherous Spandam can be. He was willing to defy the World Government himself just to appease himself on the little matter of getting rid of the "last Ohara demon" that eluded his father (by executing her with the Gate of Justice).

Ah, well. Of course, this is the same guy who wanted to use the weapons for his own benefit (http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9513/onepiece38207tb8.png) instead of the government's, now that I recall... so it's nothing new, huh!


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Welcome back, Robin ^_^

3. Mission Accomplished! Well, Luffy's crew finally gets Robin back. She's one of my favorite characters, so I'm glad that all things ended well in this case. Pretty cool, too, that such a minor villain (as Robin used to be with the Baroque Works) would have turned into such an enduring supporting character. I hadn't realized until the Water 7 arc just how much I liked her, and how disappointed I was when she left by her own will. Guess that's one thing I can't fault Oda at, is giving us plenty of unexpected twists. He's great at that.

Robin's gesture of gratitude here to Luffy's crew was a powerful scene, because it showed that for the first time in the entire series, Robin has finally genuinely accepted them into her life as friends. Pretty similar to Nami after the Arlong arc, but still different too. Unlike Nami, who was more confident and full of bluster, Robin was much more reclusive and uncertain of herself. Somewhat reminiscent of Rukia from Bleach, too, but I won't spoil details on that.

Sidenote: Just gotta say, but Chopper's delighted face here makes the whole panel work well, I think.


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How does he even have any teeth left?

4. Harder to Kill Than A Cockroach... Just gotta say, Spandam, for a guy with less physical gifts than the average Marine, sure can take a beating. How in the world is he still able to get up and yell after being flattened by an elephant? Tsk. Ah well.

Even so, in a way, Spandam oddly reminds me a lot of one of the first antagonists (though minor) in the series, Helmeppo, (http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6837/onepiece00312vd0.jpg) heh. That's pretty much the same sort of pathetic villain he was, except he was actually wielding some nasty weapons. Of course, in this case, Spandam's father was dead... - so that was no longer an option for him, after all.

Also, why in the world did the Navy/Marines believe Spandam? Oy!


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YAAAAHHH...!

5. Look at the Pretty Fireworks!!! Well, whatever the reason, I still got a kick out of the ships finally firing at Luffy's ship. Yeah! Finally! Blast 'em out of the sea! Wait... sorry, am I cheering for the bad guys again...? >.>

Of course, even when firing, the Marines STILL fail.

Sorry, but the Marines lately have not impressed me in the least. Depending on a group of assassins to take care of their dirty work, then having 400 of their best captains being taken out by Luffy's crew, being misled by a power-hungry sycophant, and being dumbfounded as to what exactly to do about a little ship when all their own battleships are surrounding it... yeah. No wonder pirates are taking over the world.


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HEEEEELPPPP!

6. No Justice in the World...! Alright, I have to give Oda serious props for this. I had no idea how Luffy's crew would have gotten out of this one, so Sanji going to turn the lever in order to close the Gate of Justice and thereby causing a series of whirlpools to cause havoc to all the Marines.,.. that was a highly ingenious storytelling move. Yup, I'm impressed. As complicated as Oda's stories can be, he does tend to know exactly how to tie up all the loose ends up perfectly.

And this was Sanji's victory. His quick thinking pretty much did save all their butts this time around. What made it all the more impressive was that he had no idea that their initial ship would have been destroyed, and this move would have still saved their butts regardless - by distracting the ships so badly that they could at least get some better footing and perhaps find an escape route.

Merry's arrival was just icing on the cake.


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Alley-OOP!

7. Who's Worried About Luffy? Okay, that was a comedic moment, seeing Luffy being used as a rubber trampoline for an incoming cannonball. Especially after all the hell Luffy's been through with Lucci in order to give them a chance of escaping. And here I thought his crew was worried about him!

Alright, alright, they knew that they had no other option, really. Still funny all the same, how they treat their tired, worn-out idiotic captain, eh?


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PWNED!

8. Sayonara Spanda! Well, at least Robin finished the job on Spandam. Would've hated to see the guy get away only to haunt Luffy's crew again! I was truly tired of him by now. (And Spandam probably won't get his position back, considering he just effectively blew up Enies Lobby and will draw the wrath of Aokiji for lying about his orders.)

Wonder if Spandam managed to survive that one, too.


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Navigators FTW.

9. Narrow Escape...! Once again, Nami proves her extreme usefulness by navigating Luffy's ship through all the whirlpools, and getting out of all that mess.

In all of manga, I can't recall a female character that has been so essential to the plot. Not only does Nami have the means of actually steering her friends to victory through being both a highly skilled navigator and able cartographer, she also is now a formidable opponent with her Climatact. And to round it all off, she's also a pretty good thief and has a fun, sassy personality. Other mangakas do need to take a cue from Oda on just how to develop their female characters (Kishimoto and Kubo, you guys listening?)

Odd, though, how Nami seems to be the least popular of the Straw Hat Pirates regardless (she ranked 7th on the latest popularity poll, below all the others). Wonder if that'll change with these recent chapters (though I still expect Robin to be more popular).


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You can say that again...!

10. Guess Who? The one and only Aokiji returns. I was wondering when he'd show up! Luckily for Luffy's crew, he arrived too late - probably because he was just biking across the seas (always a funny sight) instead of being on one of the Marines' ships. Otherwise, he'd probably have put them all on ice...

Just so you guys know, I like Aokiji. Don't really know why, but I've liked his character ever since he first appeared. He's also pretty much the only dude to ever beat Luffy as far as I know, right?

Well! That's that, then, the end of the Enies Lobby arc. The only thing left is for us to find out how exactly Merry was revitalized enough to arrive at Enies Lobby in time to rescue Luffy's crew. I still think we'll meet the Klabautermann (spirit of ships) soon enough.

After that, what lies next for Luffy's Straw Hat Pirates?

Wonder if they'll be returning to Water 7 first or going to a new island - well, I suppose they will have to, considering Franky probably isn't ready to say good-bye to his comrades just yet, and agree to join Luffy's crew (if he is going to do that, in fact). The mayor, Iceberg, probably also wants to talk to them first, too.

RATING: 4 out of 5 stars. Still feeling like a rather long epilogue, but how Luffy's crew got away from the Marines was a great writing accomplishment on Oda's part.

Predictions: We'll find out how Merry got there. I also predict a big celebration comin' up and some quiet moments. It'll be brief, though, as the Marines are probably going to chase right after Luffy. I also wonder if we'll be seeing Smoker soon. Oda's not one to forget that Smoker is still somewhere in the Grand Line, too.

Credits: Huge thanks to Harrmd for continuing his great MQ scanlations on a weekly basis. Thanks to Fnuck, also, for the header, and Pocketmofo for his translation.

Looking forward to seeing what you think!


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VICTORY IS OURS!!! Comment <3

The Boff
October 02, 2006, 07:45 PM
awesome comments! im a bit too tired right now to comment on your comments but ill give you some tomorrow! now im gonna sleep!

bax
October 03, 2006, 08:53 AM
1. Moonstruck Part II. Didn't expect a follow-up to last week's glimpse at Enel's ship. Guess I already said it all last time, though - but looks like there's no green-skinned aliens greeting Enel, after all. Or maybe they're just hiding... ninja

Hmmm.... The Japanese really likes the idea of Rabbits exist on the moon.. I wanna pet one...


Robin's gesture of gratitude here to Luffy's crew was a powerful scene, because it showed that for the first time in the entire series, Robin has finally genuinely accepted them into her life as friends.

I disagree on that one. Well, I believe Robin has already accepted the rest of the SH as her friends. But, she's constantly haunted by her previous dark memories. That's why she always seems like hesitated to get too involved with the SH. Right now, since her enemies are now the SH enemies, she might just be able to show her gratefulness.


7. Who's Worried About Luffy? Okay, that was a comedic moment, seeing Luffy being used as a rubber trampoline for an incoming cannonball. Especially after all the hell Luffy's been through with Lucci in order to give them a chance of escaping. And here I thought his crew was worried about him!

This is the classic OP scene, what makes OP differs from other mangas. Kinda funny though. At one point they are really worrying about Luffy. But when Luffy is back with them, the devils showed up eh....? Well... It's an emergency and Luffy's body is the best avaiable thing to use against the cannonballs.


8. Sayonara Spanda! Well, at least Robin finished the job on Spandam. Would've hated to see the guy get away only to haunt Luffy's crew again! I was truly tired of him by now. (And Spandam probably won't get his position back, considering he just effectively blew up Enies Lobby and will draw the wrath of Aokiji for lying about his orders.)

He should be dead by now (crossing fingers). If not, he'll be a frozen meat really soon since Aokiji has arrived. Aokiji gotta be very mad with Spandam because he's the one who gave Spandam the Golden Den Den Mushi... And to see Spandam misused it, blowed EL up and with no outcomes (Robin and SH goat away), Spandam is really in deep shit right now.


THE SH ARE SAILING ON THE PATH OF THE VICTOR

Good comments as usual. Nothing more to say on that.

A good chapter if viewed as a single chaptaer. But really anti-climax for the whole arc.
1. Luffy win over Lucci is really anti-cllimax. He just wion out of nowhere...
2. They got away too easy. I though there are more fights or at least a more dramatic escape.

Gold Knight
October 03, 2006, 11:29 AM
Hmmm.... The Japanese really likes the idea of Rabbits exist on the moon.. I wanna pet one...

You serious? Japanese like the idea of rabbits on the moon? >.>;


I disagree on that one. Well, I believe Robin has already accepted the rest of the SH as her friends. But, she's constantly haunted by her previous dark memories. That's why she always seems like hesitated to get too involved with the SH. Right now, since her enemies are now the SH enemies, she might just be able to show her gratefulness.

Yes, but Robin was willing to leave them - now, I suppose you could argue that she left them out of fear for them, which shows that she does consider them friends, but she was still going to abandon them. Now it's highly unlikely that she'll ever abandon them again for whatever reason. From now on they are stuck with her! Heh. That's why I said that for the first time she's genuinely accepted them into her life.


This is the classic OP scene, what makes OP differs from other mangas. Kinda funny though. At one point they are really worrying about Luffy. But when Luffy is back with them, the devils showed up eh....? Well... It's an emergency and Luffy's body is the best avaiable thing to use against the cannonballs.

I agree with you, OP's best known for its zany comedy, and that scene was a perfect example, heh. I do hope we'll see a little more of that for a few chapters because the last few chapters were very serious. I'm sure Oda won't disappoint, though.


He should be dead by now (crossing fingers). If not, he'll be a frozen meat really soon since Aokiji has arrived. Aokiji gotta be very mad with Spandam because he's the one who gave Spandam the Golden Den Den Mushi... And to see Spandam misused it, blowed EL up and with no outcomes (Robin and SH goat away), Spandam is really in deep shit right now.

No argument there XD



A good chapter if viewed as a single chaptaer. But really anti-climax for the whole arc.
1. Luffy win over Lucci is really anti-cllimax. He just wion out of nowhere...
2. They got away too easy. I though there are more fights or at least a more dramatic escape.


1. Well, Luffy did rely on his Gear powers from the set go, otherwise he wouldn't have stood a chance. I think the fight with Lucci was to demonstrate how Luffy's then able to stand up to him being in that mode. But I agree with you, I wish Luffy had shown us something new right at the end, but sometimes they do just come down to a KO hit, just like a boxing match. The flashbacks to crying Robin really helped me like the ending of that fight, though...
2. I think if they *had* to fight through, they would have been dead. All it takes is one cannonball at that ship. Luckily Spandam didn't manage to wake up until Sanji had already started the gates opening... otherwise they'd all be sea fodder now.

Thanks for dropping by! :) ( And btw, very nice avatar and signature you have there. )

Luckas
October 03, 2006, 11:38 AM
Great comments as always Gold Knight, but not too much to say; you already said almost everything XD

5) I really can't understand why marine ships didn't hit Going merry when they fired.

6) I agree with you: Oda's idea was very good.

7) Why didn't you mention the perfect teamwork between Zoro and Sanji using Luffy's body as shield? :D

10) The question is Aokiji's appareance is a closing for the arc or we'll see him again soon?

Gold Knight
October 03, 2006, 11:45 AM
Great comments as always Gold Knight, but not too much to say; you already said almost everything XD

5) I really can't understand why marine ships didn't hit Going merry when they fired.

They were whirling out of control due to the whirlpools, so that ruined their aim (they even hit their own men). It suppose it paid off that Merry was much smaller than the other ships in this case, harder to hit.



7) Why didn't you mention the perfect teamwork between Zoro and Sanji using Luffy's body as shield? :D

At the expense of one of their own? XD Yeah, Zoro and Sanji will work together well in extreme circumstances.


10) The question is Aokiji's appareance is a closing for the arc or we'll see him again soon?


I doubt we'll see Aokiji anytime soon actually (except in discussing the situation with the government, probably). The Marines/Navy have suffered a crushing defeat and they'll probably need time to recuperate.

In the meanwhile what I'd really want to see is how Shanks is doing. It's been a long time since we saw him last going to Whitebeard. I want to find out how that battle went.

Not to mention the Black Beard Pirates...

Luckas
October 03, 2006, 11:55 AM
In the meanwhile what I'd really want to see is how Shanks is doing. It's been a long time since we saw him last going to Whitebeard. I want to find out how that battle went.
I fear you have to wait a lot before seeing Shanks, but maybe Oda will show him making some comments about Luffy recent victories.

Gold Knight
October 03, 2006, 12:20 PM
Nevertheless it's been over 200 chapters since we last saw Shanks (Holy moley).

mlandry
October 03, 2006, 01:57 PM
Yeah I also want to see what happens with all the other parts of the storyline that were just left there for a while (very long while)... Shanks, Whitebeard, Blackbeard, the World Government (with the pirates that crocodile was a part of)... I think the story is going to get very interesting in the next few chapters.

btw, nice comments!

goofy_man
October 03, 2006, 09:54 PM
Have to agree with you on this GK, Spandam is making the cockroach enjoyable now....never thought it was possible....

Here's what Aokiji should do about Spandam:
1. Find a Devil Fruit
2. Shove it down Spandam's throat
3. Wait a few minutes
4. Grab Spandam and toss him into the ocean
5. Sail off and leave Spandam for dead

Gotta love Robin's Clutch move (or, as a friend of mine once said, how Robin chokes a bitch in a fancy manner) on Spandam. I know this is a shonen series, but for the love of God, Oda-sensei......actually kill off Spandam. That prick's too damn annoying, seriously.....

Dark Zeza
October 03, 2006, 10:18 PM
I like all of your comment especially on Aokiji. :smile-big If you like Aokiji then I bet you like Smoker too, he also is the one Luffy cannot defeat.

ZealoticBlade
October 03, 2006, 11:00 PM
Only four characters have ever bested Luffy, and only two have ever defeated him decisively.

Captain Smoker and Lucci have both stopped him - only Crocodile and Aokiji have defeated him. Crocodile fought Luffy three times and beat him twice - the first time he stomped him with ease (Luffy would've died if Robin hadn't saved him afterwards). The second time the fight was a little more even, but Crocodile still owned him. Luffy only beat him on the third try. When Aokiji fought him, he beat him, like Crocodile, with ease.

Gold Knight
October 04, 2006, 01:38 AM
Yeah I also want to see what happens with all the other parts of the storyline that were just left there for a while (very long while)... Shanks, Whitebeard, Blackbeard, the World Government (with the pirates that crocodile was a part of)... I think the story is going to get very interesting in the next few chapters.

btw, nice comments!


Agreed, and thanks :D



Have to agree with you on this GK, Spandam is making the cockroach enjoyable now....never thought it was possible....

Here's what Aokiji should do about Spandam:
1. Find a Devil Fruit
2. Shove it down Spandam's throat
3. Wait a few minutes
4. Grab Spandam and toss him into the ocean
5. Sail off and leave Spandam for dead

Gotta love Robin's Clutch move (or, as a friend of mine once said, how Robin chokes a bitch in a fancy manner) on Spandam. I know this is a shonen series, but for the love of God, Oda-sensei......actually kill off Spandam. That prick's too damn annoying, seriously.....


Yeah, well, I doubt Oda will ever show Spandam actually being killed but he sure has been beaten up enough to satisfy me. Let's move on to another bad guy, shall we? >.>



I like all of your comment especially on Aokiji. :smile-big If you like Aokiji then I bet you like Smoker too, he also is the one Luffy cannot defeat.


Actually, I don't really care one way or another for Smoker, to tell you the truth. I would like to see more from Ace, though.

Dragonzair's a big Smoker fan, though.



Only four characters have ever bested Luffy, and only two have ever defeated him decisively.

Captain Smoker and Lucci have both stopped him - only Crocodile and Aokiji have defeated him. Crocodile fought Luffy three times and beat him twice - the first time he stomped him with ease (Luffy would've died if Robin hadn't saved him afterwards). The second time the fight was a little more even, but Crocodile still owned him. Luffy only beat him on the third try. When Aokiji fought him, he beat him, like Crocodile, with ease.


Thanks for correcting me on that, it still seems like Aokiji did the best job of "pwning" Luffy of any character in the series to me, though. I did forget Luffy's initial defeats at the hands of Crocodile though ( I really need to reread the series. )

goofy_man
October 04, 2006, 02:04 AM
I'm just surprised no one has accidentally mistranslated Spandam's name as "Spandex"......random passing thought..... :XD


Yeah, I'm also wanting to some more of Ace. Maybe he'll link up with the Straw Hats again after all this dies down.....and then freak out at the size of their bounties.....

white silver
October 04, 2006, 02:20 AM
[b][font=verdana][color=green][size=1]I was hoping you would use the scene where Luffy's Crew esacapes with the Justice of Gate closing behind their backs. Even if I can's see the marines, you can definitely feel what they're thinking right now. I mean they look pretty ridiculous and I could not stop laughing at that thought. *This still waters, a "ruin" of Enies Lobby, the calm area, you know what I mean right?* By the way, Great comments! And I agree on how other Mangeka should focus their female characters as much as Oda did.

mlandry
October 04, 2006, 09:17 AM
I just thought of something : what's next for the crew members? WILL IT FINALLY BE A MUSICIAN??!! (after rope dude joins them that is)

venicia777
October 05, 2006, 12:36 AM
Finally, just a warning here, but I won't be able to keep this up forever. I've had tons of fun doing Bleach and OP for the last month and so, but I'm much more likely to eventually neglect reviewing both these manga than Naruto, especially when winter gets here. If anybody would like to do their own weekly reviews on either Bleach or OP, please go ahead and post 'em in the Mangaverse main section. I won't mind at all. I know we have plenty of insightful members here!



awww!!! i just hope you dont stop the One Piece comments-lol!!
But i have to admit- it must take a lot writing all that, adding pictures, etc etc- for all three.

i would really love to comment on One Piece but i wont have time to do it constantly and would rather do it over the weekend- this sucks!!!

1) i was quite elated when Enel came up again. The guy is one of my favorite bad guys if not the favorite. anyways- it looks like Oda knows how important this guy is or maybe to the story later in the series. Unlike, crocodile this guy wasnt caught or imprisoned- he could come back in the story- me thinks!

2)at least i was finally glad oda clarified why the marines didnt fire on them crew when they were with Robin on the ship. It was too obvious an action to do if they came to burn and destroy everything on EL (if possible-lol). At least we had been speculating it was because of robin so i wasnt too surprised.

3) i think the first time Robin actually finally made them more than just nakama was when she shouted to luffy that she wanted to live.

Mission Accomplished indeed.

4) i was soo glad spanda came back :fan.
The guy vanished from the story in a way a little anticlimatic to me. Now though he is gonna get it. I remember the time when his father went to oHara- a similar thing happened when one of the admirals bombed the ship on which the ohara non-scholars/archaelogists were on. at that time even Aokiji was shocked- i think spanda tried to do the same here.

he is gonna get it.

will continue later.