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javimgol
June 24, 2009, 04:55 PM
Seigaku: (3 singles matches plus Golden Pair, almost sure victory)
S3: Fuji
D2: Inui-Kaidoh
S2: Tezuka
D1:Golden Pair
S1:Pinaccle of Ryoma

Rikkai: (3 demonS in singles, a great D1 and and surprising D2)
S3:Renji
D2: Nioh-Kirihara (wouldn´t you love it?)
S2: Sanada
D1: Bunta-Jackal
S1: Yukimira

Shitenhouji (the would need to win 3 singles, I think)
S3: Chitose
D2: Funny Pair
S2: Shiraishi
D1: Gin-Kenya
S1: Kintaroh

Hyotei: (with D1 and S1 very good, the key would be S2)
S3: Jirou
D2: Oshitari-Hiyoshi
S2: Kabaji
D1: Silver Pair
S1: Atobe

Fudoumine: (their only option is to win 3-0 in the first 3 matches)
S3: Shinji
D2: Ishida & Kamio
S2: Tchibana
D1: The other pair
S1: The last guy

Higa (the same as Fudoumine)
S3: Tanishi
D2: Kai-Rin
S2: Kite
D1: The other pair
S1: Chinen

Fayte
June 24, 2009, 05:04 PM
Seigaku:
S3: Tezuka
D2: Inui/Kaidoh
S2: Echizen
D1: Golden Pair
S1: Fuji

Rikkai: (There are no flaws...)
S3: Renji
D2: Yagyuu/Kirihara
S2: Yukimura
D1: Bunta/Jackal
S1: Sanada

Shitenhouji
S3: Chitose
D2: Zaizen/Kenya
S2: Shiraishi
D1: Gin/gay
S1: Kintarou

Hyotei:
S3: Jirou
D2: Kabaji/Hiyoshi
S2: Oshitari
D1: Silver Pair
S1: Atobe

Fudoumine:
S3: Shinji
D2: Ishida/Kamio
S2: Tachibana
D1: The other pair
S1: The last guy

Higa
S3: Tanishi
D2: Kai/Rin
S2: Kite
D1: The other pair
S1: Chinen

Atobe the king
June 24, 2009, 05:16 PM
Hmmm Javimgols list is a power ladder

Faytes list is getting the job done in 3 sets...

Faytes lineup makes more sense.

Fayte
June 24, 2009, 05:21 PM
My rikkai lineup is unbeatable. It's like even if you manage to make it to singles 1, the only person waiting for you is Sanada. Only a team of 7 Echizens would stand a chance.

javimgol
June 24, 2009, 05:21 PM
Hmmm Javimgols list is a power ladder

Faytes list is getting the job done in 3 sets...

Faytes lineup makes more sense.
That's true, Fayte's is more effective. But in the Prince of tennis, the best doubles always plays in D1, and best singles in S2 and S1. It's a law that only only break (and not always) "half great half poor" teams like Fudoumine or Higa

Atobe the king
June 24, 2009, 05:28 PM
Not really, Seigaku's line up wasn't the power ladder.

Inui is an excellent singles player who never played a singles match, they had Fuji in doubles 3 against Higa and put Kikumaru in singles..they had Ryoma as singles one against Hyotei before he even surpassed Tezuka.


My rikkai lineup is unbeatable. It's like even if you manage to make it to singles 1, the only person waiting for you is Sanada. Only a team of 7 Echizens would stand a chance.

Every conceivable Rikkai line up is unbeatable. They don't even need Yukimura, he was like a reserve player any way.

JyAZ
June 24, 2009, 05:28 PM
The thing is, however, if all teams set up the "Win in 3" strategy, none of the teams would win in 3 except maybe against Higa or Fudoumine.

Atobe the king
June 24, 2009, 05:31 PM
What makes you say that?

JyAZ
June 24, 2009, 05:33 PM
What makes you say that?

The only time we've seen a team winning in 3 was when the team's did it as a surprise. If all teams do it, there's not many chances for a team's starting 3 games to have completely superior players to the other team's 3. I said Higa and Fudoumine might get owned because the caliber of their players aren't that great compared to the h4xed teams. I think Tachibana is a great player, but we've seen him lose way too many times.

javimgol
June 24, 2009, 05:43 PM
My rikkai lineup is unbeatable. It's like even if you manage to make it to singles 1, the only person waiting for you is Sanada. Only a team of 7 Echizens would stand a chance.
I think there are a few ways, only Seigaku, of course:

a) WITH HYPED RYOMA:S3 Fuji, D2 Golden Pair,and Hyped Ryoma in S2 or S1, where you want (that could be maybe even a 3-0)

b) NO HYPED RYOMA:Winning S3 (Fuji, for example), make a real Tezuka-Inui or Tezuka-Kaidoh, for example in D2, losing S2 and Golden Pair in D1. Or even better: S3 Ryoma pre-Yukimira, D2: Tezuka-Fuji, S2 lost, D1 Golden Pair

JyAZ
June 24, 2009, 05:48 PM
I think there are a few ways, only Seigaku, of course:

a) WITH HYPED RYOMA:S3 Fuji, D2 Golden Pair,and Hyped Ryoma in S2 or S1, where you want (that could be maybe even a 3-0)

b) NO HYPED RYOMA:Winning S3 (Fuji, for example), make a real Tezuka-Inui or Tezuka-Kaidoh, for example in D2, losing S2 and Golden Pair in D1. Or even better: S3 Ryoma pre-Yukimira, D2: Tezuka-Fuji, S2 lost, D1 Golden Pair

You could even throw in Inui at S3. He's beaten Renji before, so there's a chance.

Hyotei would be very close to winning, too. They would probably lose at 3-2, however.

Sherlock Holmes
June 24, 2009, 07:20 PM
Seigaku:

S3-Tezuka
D1-Golden Pair
S2-Echizen
D2-Inui-Kaidoh
S1-Fuji

Not many teams would resist that.

Rikkai:
Against a weaker/same level team:
S3-Sanada
D2-Kirihara-Renji
S2-Yukimura
D1-Jackal-Marui
S1-Yagyuu or Niou. Does it matter? This will be done by S2 FOR SURE.

Against a stronger team:(hard to imagine, I know.)
S3-Yagyuu
D2-Renji+Sanada
S2-Niou
D1-Yukimura+Jackal
S1-Kirihara

Reasoning for vs stronger team:
If it's a stronger team than Rikkai, then we know that they are stronger than Mr.God and Mr.Spammerson. And they tend not to evolve much during their matches. So it would be up to the ones that can evolve during matches to win.

Yagyuu/Niou/Kirihara aren't strong if you compare them to Renji/Sanada/Yukimura, but they have more space to grow, especially given their personality.

Mr.INeverLoseMyCool
Mr.ITrickMorePeopleThanLoki
Mr.IWannaBeatThe3RikkaiDemons

When they lose their cool, pull off a beautiful xanatos gambit and compltely snap, they might as well go for the win.

Yeah, relying on plot devices instead of techniques might sound unreseaonable, but in rome, act like romans. And in a manga where playin tennis makes you a super saiyan, RELY ON PLOT DEVICES DAMMIT.

Hyotei

S3-Oshitari
D2-Mr.Overhyped Hiyoshi/Mr.zzzzzz Jirou
S2-Kabaji
D1-Silver pair
S1-Atobe

As for Fayte's lineup, I think Hyotei could beat them.

Hyotei vs Fayte's lineup:

S3-Oshitari(Most difficult match. Might need some training from hell)
D2-Silver Pair. It would be a tough, tough match, but they just might win.
S2-Kabaji. No way in hell they would win, so might as well have some fun watchin Jesus boy fight a mirror.
D1-Hiyoshi/Jirou. They are going to lose. Simple as that. Go get a drink instead of watching this match.
S1-Atobe. It would come down to Atobe vs Sanada.

I thought about putting Kabaji in S3 against Renji, but if Mr.TheMaster(I compare Inui and Renji to the Doctor and the master from doctor who)
couldn't read HIMSELF enough to know where his own blind spots where to get Kabaji off guard, he wouldn't be the data tennis master he is today. So Kabaji would have 0 chances of winning.

The plan is Oshitari+Silver pair winning, and then it would come down to Sanada vs Atobe. But the true purpose of the match would be to watch Jesus boy fighting Kabaji. No way Kabaji would win, but it would be fun to watch.

Fayte
June 24, 2009, 08:41 PM
If it came to Atobe vs Sanada in the end, Atobe would still lose.

Sherlock Holmes
June 24, 2009, 10:23 PM
If it came to Atobe vs Sanada in the end, Atobe would still lose.

That would fall under our already-long-and-probably-going-to-get-longer-world-of-ice-vs-rai debate.

Fayte
June 24, 2009, 10:31 PM
That would fall under our already-long-and-probably-going-to-get-longer-world-of-ice-vs-rai debate.

It was WoI vs In that was the debate. Everyone knows Rai already counters WoI because of the teleport factor. And I don't want to hear anyone give me that crap about Sanada not knowing where to teleport. That is absolutely absurd for a fictional series and beyond a stretch.

Sherlock Holmes
June 24, 2009, 11:19 PM
It was WoI vs In that was the debate. Everyone knows Rai already counters WoI because of the teleport factor. And I don't want to hear anyone give me that crap about Sanada not knowing where to teleport. That is absolutely absurd for a fictional series and beyond a stretch.
See, I could argue that ignoring logic because it does not support your argument is not very persuasive.

But if I remember correctly, last time Atobe asked us to stop discussing that, so let's do that.

Can we just agree on "no one knows who would win between those two"?

JyAZ
June 24, 2009, 11:37 PM
Konomi's 22 sided die knows. =D

Fayte
June 25, 2009, 12:19 AM
See, I could argue that ignoring logic because it does not support your argument is not very persuasive.

But if I remember correctly, last time Atobe asked us to stop discussing that, so let's do that.

Can we just agree on "no one knows who would win between those two"?

My logic tells me that you should have stopped reading Prince of Tennis (If you are looking to attach logic to the series) after the first logic factor was thrown out the window. A move which will remain namelessZeroshikidropshot.

Atobe the king
June 25, 2009, 12:21 AM
Okay lets be civil guys.

Fayte he decided not to spark an argument, no reason to post what you posted.

javimgol
June 25, 2009, 11:36 AM
Okay lets be civil guys.

Fayte he decided not to spark an argument, no reason to post what you posted.
You have ruined my first topic :s XD
And about line-ups: I read (i don´t remember where) that Konomi thought to put Fuji in Rikkai in the Nationals or sth like that.
Maybe could sound as if Seigaku would have lost, but look this:
He didn´t anything interesting for Seigaku (won a doubles match that, after the 5-0, sound irrelevant, and a loose in SF) in Nationals till the Final. And in that final, the other single point could have been won by Tezuka.Or Super-Extra-Hyped Momo maybe would have won Nioh (in this forum, everybody thinks Momo is great and Nioh just good, I think completely different)
What do you think? Seigaku would have won without Fuji? Or maybe they even wouldn´t have defeated Higa?

Atobe the king
June 25, 2009, 11:47 AM
You have ruined my first topic :s XD


By attempting to keep the peace i ruined your topic? :eyeroll

Warped logic is warped.

javimgol
June 25, 2009, 12:01 PM
By attempting to keep the peace i ruined your topic? :eyeroll

Warped logic is warped.

No, you not, the other discussion

Edit-Oh okay, you quoted me so i wasn't sure, sorry about that.

Ravsieg
July 15, 2009, 07:17 PM
You guys mind if I bring the original purpose of the thread back?

Not considering counter-picking on here. Then I'd have to pull lists for every single match up. I'm just pulling what I thought would be the best formation in theory.

Seigaku
S3 Fuji
D2 Kaido / Momoshiro
S2 Tezuka
D1 Oishi / Kikumaru
S1 Echizen

Rikkai

S3 Yanagi
D2 Yagyuu / Niou
S2 Sanada
D1 Kuwahara / Marui
S1 Yukimura

Shitenhouji

S3 Chitose
D2 Ishida / Oshitari
S2 Shiraishi
D1 Koharu / Hitoji
S1 Tooyama

Hyotei

S3 Oshitari
D2 Mukahi / Hiyoshi
S2 Ootori
D1 Shishido / Kabaji
S1 Atobe

Fudoumine:

S3 Ibu
D2 Uchimura / Mori
S2 Kamio
D1 Ishida / Sakurai
S1 Tachibana

Higa

S3 Tanishi
D2 Aragaki / Shiranui
S2 Kai
D1 Hirakoba / Chinen
S1 Kite

Yamabuki

S3 Muromachi
D2 Kita / .. forgot his name. Shame.
S2 Sengoku
D1 Minami / Higashikata
S1 Akutsu

Rokkaku

S3 Kisarazu
D2 Aoi / Shudo
S2 Amane
D1 Saeki / Itsuki
S1 Kurobane

St Rudolph

S3 Nomura
D2 Yanagizawa / Kisarazu
S2 Akazawa
D1 Kaneda / Fuji
S1 Mizuki

Atobe the king
July 15, 2009, 07:25 PM
Your line up is cool and logical..but Chotaro in S2? i gotta disagree.

Ravsieg
July 15, 2009, 07:34 PM
Thanks!

My logic for it is simple, actually.

If you notice Silver Pair's matches, all Chotaro service games are won. Opponents exploit Shishido's.

Now, if we follow that logic that a successful Scud Serve is still unreturnable, or at least consistently enough to break his serve game, then it means he would never be broken. It'd either be a Echizen vs Tanishi situation where one mini-break on the tiebreak decides it, or more likely a Ootori vs Shishido one where one break from Ootori decides it. As he is never broken.
It makes things look pretty bright for him.

The possible downside is that it'd give the opponent more time and more chances to get used to the Scud Serve.

Atobe the king
July 15, 2009, 07:48 PM
Thats what i was thinking..he doesn't seem to have much to back up that serve though..

I've wanted to see him in a singles match for quite sometime...shame he and Shishido's match got limited to one page.

Ravsieg
July 15, 2009, 07:56 PM
That's true. If he struggled so much to win a regular point off Shishido it can quite mean he's not that skilled. Even Kikumaru beat Oishi easily.

Sherlock Holmes
July 15, 2009, 08:00 PM
If he got to tiebreak though...He would ALWAYS win.

Correct me if I'm wrong(haven't slept in two days)
but in tie breaks, it's two serves then the other player serves right? So...

Ootori vs Who cares
1
2
1
2
3
4
3
4
5
6(match point, Ootori)
5
6
7
8
Game and match: Ootori. 8-6
(Though that's assuming he never double faults.)

So assuming NONE of Ootori's scud serves are returned...Ever, then he has to win the match.

Dansan1
July 15, 2009, 08:04 PM
Nope, he still has to get the mini-break in the tiebreak. Whoever serves first only gets one serve so it's even. So you can never get two points ahead unless you break one of their serves.

Atobe the king
July 15, 2009, 08:05 PM
wait...lets say Ootari serves first

1-0
1-2
3-2
3-4
5-4
5-6

This scenario gives his opponent a set point...Ootari needs at least one point on their serve as well as holding his own.

Ravsieg
July 15, 2009, 08:06 PM
Yep. One mini-break. That's exactly what Echizen did to Tanishi on the Nats. Except this was the opposite, the regular player bringing the big serve down once and making the difference there.