Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[Black Thought]

Maybe he has Madara's other eye?

[ToushiroNamikaze]

both kakashi and sasuke will eventually get ems later on

For Sasuke its possible if Madara will give him Itachi's corpse. O_O
Kakashi can't activate EMS ,he doesn't have any brother's or relatives.


Maybe he has Madara's other eye?

Itachi said he has both eyes.

[chess4]

i dont think its a coincidence that kakashi finding madara is alive, danzou being revealed to have the sharingan, and kakashi gaiden being shown in the same month.

i think kishi is playing mind games with us................i cant wait to see the face behind tobi's mask

[daman246]

i think we havent seen the last of rinnegan just yet just because nagato died dont mean rinnegan is over is gona be past down to someone else and who could it be

[pops]

I think Minato said that he saw a person with a mask, who could see through all of his moves. He didn't specify Madara, but he identified him as "A member of Akatsuki" probably after seeing him through Naruto that time in the forest. So if it was Danzou he would have had to wear a similar mask.


I don't really know how summoning the QB works, but when it comes to normal summons we know that multiple people can use the same summon, so it might be something like that. (Though I doubt there's even a contract involved.)


I think that was just a figure of speech. I think Maito Gai is called Konoha's Green Beast, isn't he?

i don't think it was Danzou that the fought against when the QB attacked. the 4th mentioned that he has been able to see what naruto sees. so i'm sure that he is aware that naruto tried to rasengan madara, but wasn't able to. so i'm guessing that similar things occured when he fought him. i doubt danzou can allow things to phase through him as madara has. if he could he would have to be an uchiha...since he would not be able to control the sharigan to such a level with a non-uchiha body.

[Grizz]

By the way, if Danzou = Madara, then that would explain how Madara came to recruit Nagato to Akatsuki. He witnessed the moment he became Pain and summoned the Gedo Mazu statue.


That kind of makes sense, and also that explains how Danzou knew that pein was a disciple of jiraiya..

[Kako]

For Sasuke its possible if Madara will give him Itachi's corpse. O_O
Kakashi can't activate EMS ,he doesn't have any brother's or relatives.

lol well he just died and met his dead father..............lol im only joking. as far as I can tell, Kakashi's main purpose now is as a guide for Naruto. he has no need for EMS so far lol

[Natoma]

now that doesn't fit the timeline...since sasuke was already born and was about 4 or 5 when the uchiha's were masacred, then danzou couldn't have gotten the sharingan during that time since he had it during the 3rd great ninja war, which was before naruto and sasuke was born.

Who says Danzo had the Sharingan during the 3rd great ninja war? He could've easily lost his real eye, years go by, and then he acquires Sharingan after the massacre.

[Belisar]

fuuuckk....danzou has the sharingan. :jawdrop

he is too old to be obito. too young to be izuna. why do konoha ninja attack their hokage?

[Natoma]

Not possible. Danzou got his Sharingan during or before the 2nd Ninkai as you can see here:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
So he can't have got his Sharingan from the massacre as that happened 4/5 years prior to the start of the manga. The Ninja war happened probably 10 or so years before.
I'm getting confused slightly though. Was the Ninja War that Yahiko,Nagato, Konan etc were involved in, the same Ninja War as the one where Obito died. I'm forgetting how many theres been. 3 isn't it?

I don't see a Sharingan there. I see a bandage over his eye, i.e., he could've simply been injured and acquired the Sharingan after the massacre. ;)

[videogamer64]

For Sasuke its possible if Madara will give him Itachi's corpse. O_O
Kakashi can't activate EMS ,he doesn't have any brother's or relatives.



Itachi said he has both eyes.

He never killed his friends but that didn't stop him from getting MS somehow. He could always take Danzou's :P

[dazzy]

It didn't surprise me at all that Danzou was hiding a sharingan, but I do not think Danzou is Madara. I think Danzou and Orochimaru did some fiddling with some of the dead Uchiha after Danzou sent Itachi to kill them. Danzou is probably not as sharingan-capable as Kakashi.

Anyway, Naruto needs sharingan-practice, and Danzou could be a nice steppingstone:
Danzou -> Evil Kakashi -> Sausegay -> Madara

[Triggerx]

Well all these speculations of Danzou=Madara are getting more support, but I still think theres a chance that thats not the case.

I think Danzou's Sharingan is much like Kakashi's, except maybe his sharingan is Obito's damaged half, hence the relation between him and orochiaru.
Could be possible that Orochimaru planted that sharingan in him as an experiment, and only did so because he was curious and didnt want the imperfection of having one sharingan eye for himself. who knows.

But yeah it is likely thatDanzo and Madara have some sort of connection, but I think Obito may be tied in here somewhere as well.

[Natoma]

yea i think it's obito's eye... i wouldn't be too surprised if he had some of his anbu squad obtain it for him...judging from how it looks, it doesn't look like it's his

How could it be Obito's eye when half of Obito was crushed under a multi-ton rock? The other half is the eye that went to Kakashi. C'mon people. :p

[3c]

I just realized something else. The word that Kakashi used, especially after hearing that Naruto finally knows about his father, is significant people.

He says that Naruto shall go to see the Raikage and he, Kakashi, and Yamato will be Naruto's escort.

Kakashi is treating Naruto as if he's Konoha's TRUE Hokage!

I didn't think about that! You are absolutely right. Kakashi is going against orders to do what Naruto wants, and he's going to protect him! It's really amazing. Also that the villagers are actually saying that he's going to be hokage is a real breakthrough. Naruto's dream is coming true :)

[ichibannohenge]

Yeah. Or like this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/17/

I dunno why people find it that odd. Kishi draws that kind of image once in a while.

I just got confused because it looked like from the last picture in the spoilers, Danzou's sharingan eye is placed somewhere in the forehead region on that right side.

[g1534]

I highly doubt it. Because minato specifically stated the guy with the mask. Madara is the only one in history who has summoned kyuubi anyway...so i doubt if it could be danzo at all. Besides he said himself that he is damaged. The question is, is he uchiha? Or did he steal someones sharingan that was dead?(reason why its damaged?)

I bet orochimaru wanted to experiment with implanting sharingan into his own body, and had an agreement with danzou that he would be a guinea pig. That would certainly explain a lot that has been said over the past two chapters.

[no_regretsYSL]

Man if Akira Toriyama did with the Saiyans that Kishi is doing with Sharingan users, DragonBall Z would totally still be around...

O well, this new revalation is still just as shocking and Tobi and Kakashi's mangekyou.

Btw if someone reads this can you reply back to me with a PM or somthing telling how Kishi explained Kakashi's sharingan, before the Kakashi gaiden? I'm curious whether or not I was confused back in the day on.

[bean]

By the way, if Danzou = Madara, then that would explain how Madara came to recruit Nagato to Akatsuki. He witnessed the moment he became Pain and summoned the Gedo Mazu statue.
unless madara gave it to him beforehand and provoked him to use it through danzou...

[Huey Freeman]

Oh no! No no no! :wall

Here come the Obito theories again! :rant

Why Kishi? Why? No more freakin sharingans please! :nono

[Grizz]

All this misterious discussions about madara, danzou, we just keep reaching an endless conlusion.

[Mythsoul]

hmmmm.....Danzou.....has the sharingan......another posibility ..is that danzou took the sharingan from Madara......in exchange for something........and now Madara is pulling the strings on sasuke....so he could kill Danzou...and he just warps in....and takes the eye.....hmmmm and not get his hands dirty.......just thinking out loud.....interesting facts.....I wanna see this fight ....next week........things are getting exciting.......and I wonder when will Tzunade wake up....

[ForMotherRussia]

that would lead back to the Madara = Danzou theory... which makes sense in a space/time situation... but I have to goto work so I can't write the whole thing... suffice to say both are Madara, but are in separate places and that's how he's able to remove parts of his body from one space/time into another space/time.... the whole theory of relativity factors into this and that's not really a good explanation either... *sigh*

no it wouldn't. It's not necessary for them to be the same person, we don't know how danzou got his sharingan, but we do know that he dislikes uchiha, he ordered to kill the last one himself

[N_SAGE]

So Sasuke, Kakashi, Madara, Danzo all have the sharingan and in the spoiler
kakashi makes it sound like there could be other village or villages that might have other Uchihas still living?

[ToushiroNamikaze]

-I've a theory that maybe Danzou implanted the Sharingan just sec before he left the village.
-How did he get the Sharingan eye? Maybe sent some anbu to find some remnants from a dead corpse after the massacre on the Uchiha clan.
-That also explains why he had those vains in his eye and his weird thick and bold pupil.

[Huey Freeman]

Wait a second . . . so if Kakashi has one of Obito's eyes and Madara has one of Obito's eyes and now Danzou has one of Obito's eyes . . . why did the chicken cross the road? :headscratch

[Natoma]

Oh no! No no no! :wall

Here come the Obito theories again! :rant

Why Kishi? Why? No more freakin sharingans please! :nono

I already took care of the Obito theories. It was really simple you know. ;)

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1444182#post1444182

[ForMotherRussia]

So Sasuke, Kakashi, Madara, Danzo all have the sharingan and in the spoiler
kakashi makes it sound like there could be other village or villages that might have other Uchihas still living?

where exactly kakashi says this bs?
[hr]

Wait a second . . . so if Kakashi has one of Obito's eyes and Madara has one of Obito's eyes and now Danzou has one of Obito's eyes . . . why did the chicken cross the road? :headscratch

to get a sharingan implant?

[kakashi919]

hmmm... maybe danzou will try to kill kakashi and take his eye? i still don't believe madara is danzou... that would suck

[chess4]

I didn't think about that! You are absolutely right. Kakashi is going against orders to do what Naruto wants, and he's going to protect him! It's really amazing. Also that the villagers are actually saying that he's going to be hokage is a real breakthrough. Naruto's dream is coming true :)

i dont think its that.........naruto and kakashi are tight. he looks at naruto more as a friend than his student. so he will ride with naruto until da end

[Alexis]

i don't think it was Danzou that the fought against when the QB attacked. the 4th mentioned that he has been able to see what naruto sees. so i'm sure that he is aware that naruto tried to rasengan madara, but wasn't able to. so i'm guessing that similar things occured when he fought him. i doubt danzou can allow things to phase through him as madara has. if he could he would have to be an uchiha...since he would not be able to control the sharigan to such a level with a non-uchiha body.
Well if that is what happened, then I hope Danzou isn't capable of doing the same thing. Though Minato didn't specify why he thought what he did or what happened between them other than that he could see through all of Minato's moves, and that he wasn't an ordinary ninja.

[Natoma]

-I've a theory that maybe Danzou implanted the Sharingan just sec before he left the village.
-How did he get the Sharingan eye? Maybe sent some anbu to find some remnants from a dead corpse after the massacre on the Uchiha clan.
-That also explains why he had those vains in his eye and his weird thick and bold pupil.

Uhm, the massacre happened 16 years prior. You honestly think a corpse, particularly the eyes, would keep for 16 years? :D

Seriously, what probably happened is that after the massacre Danzou made sure to get a Sharingan implanted in his bad eye just like Kakashi had. Since Danzou's right eye wasn't working anyway, no one would be the wiser.

[bean]

How could it be Obito's eye when half of Obito was crushed under a multi-ton rock? The other half is the eye that went to Kakashi. C'mon people. :p
if it really was "crushed" obito would have never had a chance to give kakashi his other eye. He would have been instantly killed. for all we know, he could have been just pinned. C'mon.

[JoonUCLA]

fixed. :sarc

i never said madara has obito's eyes. why would he need obito's eyes when he has his own or his brother's...

[Lee-tyme7]

"SPOILER ALERT!!!"

I read the spoiler and I gotta say, what a twist Kishi had coming huh?! who would of thought Danzo had the sharingan? Either he is (my first guess) Madara's brother or he had the eye implanted in him like Kakashi. He could be Madara's brother, they probably swap one eye for the others but I think the more logical choice would be that he had Oro implanted in him. That's probably why he didn't want everyone to know his connection with that guy. Is that illegal or forbidden? Then if that's the case why didn't Kakashi keep his sharingan a secret as well?

click here:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7u9gMhrSm6Y/SlT9V2tlCeI/AAAAAAAADo4/RBojSvVyU60/s1600/4.jpg

[Alexis]

Uhm, the massacre happened 16 years prior. You honestly think a corpse, particularly the eyes, would keep for 16 years? :D
The massacre wasn't 16 years ago. That was the Kyuubi attack.
But either way I think what he meant was that Danzou got the eye right after the massacre happened.

And as for the Obito was crushed thing, in a shounen manga, things like that are not always as conclusive as one may think.

[Natoma]

if it really was "crushed" obito would have never had a chance to give kakashi his other eye. He would have been instantly killed. for all we know, he could have been just pinned. C'mon.

Except when Obito said that the right side of his body was almost smashed. :eyeroll

And the rock is like 10x his size, i.e., multi-ton. Besides, you're talking about a manga where people survive having their skin ripped off, can walk on water and stick to walls.

You want to hold to reality now? :tem

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/14/

[gold349]

I didn't think about that! You are absolutely right. Kakashi is going against orders to do what Naruto wants, and he's going to protect him! It's really amazing. Also that the villagers are actually saying that he's going to be hokage is a real breakthrough. Naruto's dream is coming true :)


I second that, kakashi speaks to his dad, Naruto speaks with his both say effff/f....ck orders or being told what to do lets go to the summit anyway...lets roll, that's more like it, loving the direction of story and what can happen, just thinking about it all gives me goose bumps.:)

[Ero-Sanji]

But guys c'mon if the body's Obito's why is it so old...

It's obvious Danzou is either Madara or... himself!



GAWWWWWD I MISS THE BYAKUGAN!

[bean]

Except when Obito said that the right side of his body was almost smashed. :eyeroll

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/14/
so body = head and eye now? look, I'm not saying obito is connected in anyway, but we can't say he was "crushed" if he was fine talking for a bit. Someone gets "crushed" in that type of situation, they get "killed" as well.

[Natoma]

so body = head and eye now?

Wait, you can't see his head is clearly under the rock? :tem
[hr]

so body = head and eye now? look, I'm not saying obito is connected in anyway, but we can't say he was "crushed" if he was fine talking for a bit. Someone gets "crushed" in that type of situation, they get "killed" as well.

And the rock is like 10x his size, i.e., multi-ton. Besides, you're talking about a manga where people survive having their skin ripped off, can walk on water and stick to walls.

Oh, and can have holes the size of someone's arm punched through their lung and walk away from it. Oh, and seal their spirit into the body of their son along with a 9-tailed mountain-sized demon.

You want to hold to reality now? :tem

[bean]

Wait, you can't see his head is clearly under the rock? :tem



And the rock is like 10x his size, i.e., multi-ton. Besides, you're talking about a manga where people survive having their skin ripped off, can walk on water and stick to walls.

You want to hold to reality now? :tem
not every aspect of the manga has to be fictional. Just saying, if he was really crushed, he would have been instadead. I prefer to believe he was pinned.

[hhv94]

I think its ironic that Tobi and Danzou have a sharingan on the same side of their faces. Sorta makes me wonder if they are the same person or not? Although that might just be to damn convinient. Either way nice bomb Kishimoto just threw at us. Looking forward to the whole scan.

[Natoma]

not every aspect of the manga has to be fictional. Just saying, if he was really crushed, he would have been instadead. I prefer to believe he was pinned.

If anyone in the real world had a multi-ton rock fall in on half their body like that (pinned, crushed, whatever), they would be instadead, not holding lengthy conversations and all that.

This guy, not so much.

So clearly there are some reality-bending rules at work even in that scenario.

[THM Nindo]

They didnt look that old..

Yeah, and Jiraiya don't look like he's 40 years old here :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/237/12/

But he was.
So we can't just rely on the looks.

Nagato and co. could definitely be 25 or more when they were attacked by Danzou and Hanzou.

[Uchiro]

yeah, i've been saying Tobi = Danzou for a while now, but no one wanted to credit meh

[Semaka]

Ok, so, look at Madara's eye and look at Danzo's eye. The eyes don't look the same! So, Madara and Danzo are not the same person. Simple as that.

Here is Madara's eye:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/01/

And Danzo's eye looks worst that Madara's.

[ToushiroNamikaze]

Danzou sharingan looks like Sasuke's in CS2. O_O

[gold349]

so body = head and eye now? look, I'm not saying obito is connected in anyway, but we can't say he was "crushed" if he was fine talking for a bit. Someone gets "crushed" in that type of situation, they get "killed" as well.

what dropped on him while Kakashi and Rin was talking to him yes he should have died there and then but what dropped on him after I think IMHO leaves no doubt in my mind that Obito what ever 'will' allowed him to talk and stay alive while giving Kakashi his sharingan from the first drop of boulders that what fell after would have left nothing and I think many forget that when they think about Obito.

[Konoha Hurricane]

Kishi's message with this chapter is very clear.

At a time when all the kages are moving out with 2 elite bodyguard escorts, we suddenly see that Naruto will be moving out with 2 elite bodyguard escorts in Kakashi and Yamato.

It's clear what message Kishi is trying to send.

[3shinkyo3]

Why is it that a sharingan = bad guy?

I not sure how to take this bit of news, have to wait until chapter is out but, it does seem kishi sees the sharingan as evil :(

[wingsabre]

I think Danzo is Danzo. He might have taken Obito's eyes. After all, he was dealing with other villages, and could possibly have had Oro implant the eye. Like Kakashi, the eye is activated all the time. If Danzo's eye is activated all the time, it would explain why he covers them. It would also explain that the eye was implanted.

[Sunburn74]

for god's sake, he doesn't have obito's eyes. danzou had his sharingan in place long before obito died.

[Konoha Hurricane]

for god's sake, he doesn't have obito's eyes. danzou had his sharingan in place long before obito died.

You have no proof of that.

I had a crazy thought. What if danzou is madara and madara is danzou, but they are still 2 separate people?

What if they are both the same person, but while apart have their own thoughts and ambitions and their power is split. I get the feeling that Madara would not want to mix it up with Danzou and is hoping that Sasuke is stupid enough to try. He probably respects Danzou's power because he knows Danzou's power is his and is waiting for an opportunity to present itself where he can get it all back into one body.

Think of it as sorta like the situation with Piccolo and Kami in DBZ except both are firmly evil. Probably a bit out there.

[Iwashi]

for god's sake, he doesn't have obito's eyes. danzou had his sharingan in place long before obito died.

This. Danzou's right eye was covered during the Second Great Ninja War. Obito died during the 3rd. So that theory can be debunked unfortunatley.

[SeiferGanon]

Ok, so, look at Madara's eye and look at Danzo's eye. The eyes don't look the same! So, Madara and Danzo are not the same person. Simple as that.

Here is Madara's eye:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/01/

And Danzo's eye looks worst that Madara's.

Eh, not quite. From this picture Danzo's eye looks much closer to Tobi's.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

Sorry but the not showing of Tobi's face and now them both having a similar sharingan in the same place, it's just too much coincidence.

[Sunburn74]

nagato and crew ran into danzo before obito died. he had his eye covered then. if you match the ages, you see that there's no way that danzo could have obito's eyes. at best, at best, at the time he ran into nagato and crew he had JUST put it in and I doubt thats likely too.

i don't know where the proof is that danzo had his eye in during the second ninja war, though. i just know that the danzo event happened roughly at the time when obito was just born.

its far more likely that danzo had madara's other eye to tell the truth.

[wingsabre]

It could be Obito's eyes. However, the Unicha clan was still alive, and he very well could have worked with Oro to abduct some of them for experiments. It would wrap things up nicely if they were all interconnected, but it's not necessary.

[Diabeetus]

It's horrible sharingan-obsessed character development that gives one Diabeetus in the first place.

Still, to be honest, I was 95% sure Danzou had a sharingan under there.

What happened with the Rinnegan anyway? Jiraiya said it was the strongest, is it just gone from Naruto forever now?

[JoonUCLA]

yeah, i've been saying Tobi = Danzou for a while now, but no one wanted to credit meh

that's cause he's not. it's due time that kishi ties in obito to the sharingan that kakashi has, by naming madara tobi for a long time he was toying with us and maybe foreshadowing that he would eventually bring obito into the story but wanted us to squirm about talking about obito theories...this time it's coming :)

[Iwashi]

Eh, not quite. From this picture Danzo's eye looks much closer to Tobi's.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

Sorry but the not showing of Tobi's face and now them both having a similar sharingan in the same place, it's just too much coincidence.

Tbh, If anything it looks more like this: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/388/09/

From those pics I think Danzou's Sharingan is either damaged or is simply just focusing like Sasuke's is in that Koma where he's trying to negate Tsukuyomi.

[wingsabre]

Kishi just introduced two new characters. It could be that Danzo got his eye from some other, unseen characters.

[Grizz]

Kishi just introduced two new characters. It could be that Danzo got his eye from some other, unseen characters.


I doubt. it wud be weird for him to get his eyes from some unseen character, tha wud just spoil the all plot of the manga..

[Semaka]

Eh, not quite. From this picture Danzo's eye looks much closer to Tobi's.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

Sorry but the not showing of Tobi's face and now them both having a similar sharingan in the same place, it's just too much coincidence.

Yeah, but think about it. Why whould Tobi aka Danzo need Kabuto? If Tobi was indeed Danzo and wanted Kabuto, he whould have had him when Orochimaru was alive, or if he wanted Orochimaru himself, Tobi was the benefactor of Akatsuki even when Orochimaru was in Akatsuki. So, I don't think Tobi is Danzo.

[demons_halo]

the obito theory is just plain stupid. there was hundreds of uchiha in konoha, why the heck would danzou take a smashed little boys eye? -_-

Also I'm willing to bet against anyone that thinks that danzou = madara!
[hr]

I doubt. it wud be weird for him to get his eyes from some unseen character, tha wud just spoil the all plot of the manga..

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?? oohhh myy....

[wingsabre]

I doubt. it wud be weird for him to get his eyes from some unseen character, tha wud just spoil the all plot of the manga..

Not really, Orochimaru abducted several citizens, and did experiments on them. Danzo's connection to Orochimaru could simply be that Orochimaru implanted the eyes on him in exchange for experimenting on other parts of the body.

[Semaka]

And if you remember when Tobi talked with Sasuke about Konoha's past and Itachi's past, he did mentioned Danzo alot. Even said that Itachi wanted to "tell Danzo and the elders that I am alive". Why did Tobi mentioned Danzo, why did Itachi wanted to tell Danzo about his existence. Is he afraid of Danzo? That is enough proof to me that Danzo is somewhat related to Tobi, but he isn't him

[Grizz]

Not really, Orochimaru abducted several citizens, and did experiments on them. Danzo's connection to Orochimaru could simply be that Orochimaru implanted the eyes on him in exchange for experimenting on other parts of the body.


Yeh that cud be it, but where wud orochimaru wud have gotten the sharingan to plant it in danzou's eyes???

[S.I.M Editor]

crushed or pinned... im pretty sure it all doesnt matter, one way or another he died. wether it was cause he was crushed and had a little time to talk, or if he was just...well, crushed here

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/19-20/

plus, i doubt he'd look so old, i mean hes as old as kakashi, look at how kakashi looks.

people of the same age group tend to look alike.

sarutobi, and the hokage advisors, they all looked old at the same time.

tsunade, oro, and jiraiya, were all the same age, and each one of them looked just as youthful as the next.

sasuke, naruto, and sakura, they all look the same.


need i go on?

[Gats]

Eh, not quite. From this picture Danzo's eye looks much closer to Tobi's.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

Sorry but the not showing of Tobi's face and now them both having a similar sharingan in the same place, it's just too much coincidence.

In this picture his eye is under a shadow that's all.

[lacrooz]

definitively instead of naruto this manga has to be called the Gods uchiha (all the manga this related to them).

that danzo has sharingan does not mean that it is obito or madara simply it could have obtained from another body of uchiha anyone

[_Rin_]

For Danzou's Sharingan eye, I think there's actually two important questions :

1. Who's eye was that?
2. Who did the implant for Danzou?

1. Who's eye was that?
He had the bandage when he was seen with Hanzou, so we can assume that he had the Sharingan at this time.

Now, I think that no one thought about transplanting a Sharingan eye until Kakashi got Obito's eye.
So I think that Danzou got the idea from Kakashi and Rin.

As for the timeline, it somewhat works, depending of the age Nagato was when they were attacked by Danzou/Hanzou.
According to my calculation, Obito died 11 years after Jiraiya left the Rain country. So that would gave Nagato something like 25 years, that would make sense.
(see my timeline here : http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1363406&postcount=135)

Now, there's no reason for him to go and fetch Obito's eye...
And I don't see how he could have Izuna or Madara's eyes neither.

So, I think might have simply set up the Uchiha massacre to get a Sharingan eye. Thus, the eye he has could be the eye of any random Uchiha guy.

Well...sounds good :), but i think for some Shisui stuff here (or what was the name of Itachi's best friend)
Yes, it seems that Danzou has had Sharingan from long time. Probably you are right for this....Danzou realized for the happening with Kakashi and as well as Orochimaru he wants the Sharingan. But he has wanted two eyes, not just only one. Two eyes are better than one. And when they starts to use Itachi, Danzou has profited from the moment and he decided to remove the eyes of somebody from the clan (And why not Shisui :))... Well something has happened and Danzou has take only one eye. And who to be blamed? Itachi of course :) and soon he will have to perform his mission.
And When Itachi leaves, Danzou has thought, that he will be able to remove the eyes of Sasuke. But Itachi have sense that Danzou may do something like this and threatens him. In this time Danzou has ganged with Oro by knowing that he wants the sharingan too. But when Оро has not managed to take the eyes of Itachi, has oriented himself to Sasuke. Danzou realize this and sends Sai on secret mission, to kills Sasuke as well conceivably to remove his eyes. But the things have failed.

Omg... don't read this...totaly SOAP :notrust

OMG At good concurrence of circumstances, Oro and Danzou have being able to share the eyes of Sasuke:

Danzou: One for me, and one for you. :noworry
Oro:...Ahh the day is so beautiful...sssssss

LOOOOL.

And after Oro's death no one can stop Danzou... but here comes Madara-chaaaan ^^... Madara may know that Danzou want Sasukes death... but Sasuke is needy for Madara, and from that: Danzou + Madara = enemies .

And because of that, Madara hopes that Sasuke is gonna kill Danzou.

Okey I will stop here :eyeroll... SOAAAAP


2. Who did the implant for Danzou?
That's the really interseting questions here:
- Who did the implant?!
- Is it something that is hard to do, or can any medical ninja do it?

The only one known to have do this is Rin.
Now, who could Danzou have use to do this?

Orochimaru? Kabuto?
Possible. We already know that he had strong link with Orochimaru. And both of them shared their passion/hatred of the Uchiha.

My favorite theory is that he used Rin to do the implant.
He (or Orochimaru) could have kidnap her to make the job.

That would be nice, because that would bring her back in the story and we could finally learn what happened to her. :tem


Ohhh...I so much want Rin alive, but Kakashi told that he was not abled to save her, and he broke his promise to Obito. Please Kishi tell us more about Rin :(.

khum...at the question... well ...maybe every medic nin can do this, don;t know...maybe Kabuto has do the job :)

but I really like your theory ^^. And sory for my fanfiction :eyeroll. But for me it sounds possible.

[SeiferGanon]

If Tobi was indeed Danzo and wanted Kabuto, he whould have had him when Orochimaru was alive, or if he wanted Orochimaru himself, Tobi was the benefactor of Akatsuki even when Orochimaru was in Akatsuki.

I don't think it's a question of Kabuto, per se. I don't even think it's a question of Kabuto's research, as Danzo thought, but didn't say, that maybe Kabuto knows of his connections with Orochimaru and most likely wants Kabuto silenced. While Orochimaru was alive Kabuto being quiet may not have been as big of an issue as it is now that Anko is getting close to finding him. And if it is the research perhaps it wasn't done until recently.

[redcometfm]

Theres never been proof that Tobi is Madara so Danzo could possibly be Madara. Tobi could be some sharingan-wielding/Uchiha nutcase with delusions of grandeur or specified plans of deception by usurping the identity of "Madara". And I dont care what Kisame says about him. People will flame me but try to have a little imagination.

[JoonUCLA]

nagato and crew ran into danzo before obito died. he had his eye covered then. if you match the ages, you see that there's no way that danzo could have obito's eyes. at best, at best, at the time he ran into nagato and crew he had JUST put it in and I doubt thats likely too.

i don't know where the proof is that danzo had his eye in during the second ninja war, though. i just know that the danzo event happened roughly at the time when obito was just born.

its far more likely that danzo had madara's other eye to tell the truth.


i'm confused how do you knwo that it was the 2nd great war when yahiko was killed? yahiko and crew should be similar age to yondaime only slightly older, and yondaime being the genius that he was could have already been jounin and had a team.






that's the whole point of this discussion no? to tie back evidence to make a case that Danzou received the sharingan at a specific point of time. Sure we don't know for sure that he had the sharingan here...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/

but does it make sense that since he had an injured eye, that he could have obtained the sharingan during theat time which is during the 3rd great war? sure it's definitely plausable.

And since we know that the Right eye of Obito was still in his body (could have been crushed i know i know) when he died during the 3rd great war

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/244/18/

would it be a stretch to think that Danzou, who was also in the 3rd great war could have stolen the eye from a dead obito corpse? absolutely not. it definitely fits the timeline.

For danzou to have obtained the eye during the uchiha masacre you would have to ignore the "3rd great war obito" connection, so my point is, if it's plausable that he got it when uchiha's died it's equally if not more plausable that he got it from 1 dead uchiha...obito

[S.I.M Editor]

And if you remember when Tobi talked with Sasuke about Konoha's past and Itachi's past, he did mentioned Danzo alot. Even said that Itachi wanted to "tell Danzo and the elders that I am alive". Why did Tobi mentioned Danzo, why did Itachi wanted to tell Danzo about his existence. Is he afraid of Danzo? That is enough proof to me that Danzo is somewhat related to Tobi, but he isn't him

so he(danzo) wouldnt do anything against itachi's will.

the third was on itachis side, when he passed away, he made an appearance to let them know that he wont stand for anything that went against his will.

[makko]

They won't be letting him go anywhere. Danzou seems to have put to hold on Naruto leaving the Village. Which means that on top of Sai watching Naruto... another Root will be following Naruto/Sai as well. Danzou said it... he doesn't fully trust Sai. I think that might cause some frictions... Kakashi/Yamato might help Naruto sneek out of the Village?... That would be hot actually.

I called it... Kakashi/Yamato are going to try to sneak Naruto out of the village. Theres a chance they might not though. We still dont know if Kakashi/Yamato know about the order to keep Naruto in the village?

[bean]

nagato and crew ran into danzo before obito died. he had his eye covered then. if you match the ages, you see that there's no way that danzo could have obito's eyes. at best, at best, at the time he ran into nagato and crew he had JUST put it in and I doubt thats likely too.

i don't know where the proof is that danzo had his eye in during the second ninja war, though. i just know that the danzo event happened roughly at the time when obito was just born.

its far more likely that danzo had madara's other eye to tell the truth.
I think the argument is that he could have had only one eye when he was young and could have received the sharingan much later. Just because it was covered then doesn't mean he was hiding a sharingan underneath it.

[SeiferGanon]

And if you remember when Tobi talked with Sasuke about Konoha's past and Itachi's past, he did mentioned Danzo alot. Even said that Itachi wanted to "tell Danzo and the elders that I am alive". Why did Tobi mentioned Danzo, why did Itachi wanted to tell Danzo about his existence. Is he afraid of Danzo? That is enough proof to me that Danzo is somewhat related to Tobi, but he isn't him

It seems perfectly logical if Danzo is Tobi and is playing both sides. Of course he wants there to be as much ambiguity about his identity as possible. He wants to manipulate Sasuke and one way to do that is to get him to hate Konoha. How well would that go over if he was like, "Oh, by the way, I am Danzo and I helped set your brother up and kill your clan."

[Nate43]

I have a Theory I don't know if anyone said this yet but Danzo's sharingan is on the opposite eye than madara's Maybe he stole it from Madara and thats why Madara is trying to trick Sasuke into killing Danzo so he can get his eye back.

[JoonUCLA]

by the way, i thought the 2nd great war was when jiraiya, tsunade, & oro were named the sannins by hanzo. and the 3rd great war was when hanzo had teamed up with konoha black ops, am i mistaken?

[ToushiroNamikaze]

But we saw Madara's right sharingan eye and we saw Danzou has sharingan on his right eye too.

[SeiferGanon]

I have a Theory I don't know if anyone said this yet but Danzo's sharingan is on the opposite eye than madara's Maybe he stole it from Madara and thats why Madara is trying to trick Sasuke into killing Danzo so he can get his eye back.

It actually is the same eye, not the opposite.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/03/

[Semaka]

It seems perfectly logical if Danzo is Tobi and is playing both sides. Of course he wants there to be as much ambiguity about his identity as possible. He wants to manipulate Sasuke and one way to do that is to get him to hate Konoha. How well would that go over if he was like, "Oh, by the way, I am Danzo and I helped set your brother up and kill your clan."


yeah but Madara helped Itachi to kill the clan. So, what's the point? I still think that we will find in the next chapters the answer to all these questions. Until then, let's act like Danzo is Danzo and Madara is Tobi and let Kishi tell the story.

[Konoha Hurricane]

And you have no proof against it...

I never said that I did now did I? Either way there is no proof for it to be saying it so definitively.
[hr]

But we saw Madara's right sharingan eye and we saw Danzou has sharingan on his right eye too.

There's no difference, that I know of anyway, between a left eye and a right eye besides the side that it is on.

[Gittens]

it would be funny if danzo had sasuke fathers sheringan eye

[Sunburn74]

ok proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/11/


nagato talks about what was going on in the world when yahiko died.

now read the introduction for the kakashi gaiden

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/01/

the key points are that the world was engaged in the middle of the great war with 3 countries in nagato's story but inkakashis it was all 5. he also said those events happened shortly (overnight was the exact word nagato used) after being released from jiraiya's custody, with whom they spent 3 years.

This most likely was not the same war kakashi fought in seeing as jiraiya was so young (compare hair lengths in the picture where jiraiya was with the 4th hokage as a student and you can see). Danzo had his eye then.

Is it possible that the eye danzo had then was the same eye as a kid who most likely hasn't been born yet? No.

Its far more likely danzo has madara's eye. madara seems to know way too much about danzo (he wasn't even surprised when he was elected hokage in a flash) and despite being a true blood uchiha only uses one eye. when you consider that itachi killed all the uchiha with the help of madara and under the discretion of danzo, its not too hard to imagine madara and danzo not being allies at somepoint.

drop the obito line of thought. it just plain doesn't work when you look at the ages of jiraiya, obito and danzo.

[En Yang Ji]

I may be wrong, but it looks like Danzou's eye may be turning into a MS.

[wingsabre]

It could also be that Danzo was actually missing an eye, when he and Hanzo fought against Nagato. Then eventually, an eye was available for him to use.

IDK, everything is speculation right now.

[insid3rkill3r]

really interesting chapter,,, first off

Now Naruto Co. realises that Madara is still alive,, that he is controlling Akatsuki and Sasuke as well now,,, Naruto and co. are going to the meeting,, as well as Sasuke so they willl confront. And what wiill happen? To me,, Naruto has learned that Madara was still alive for one very purpose,,, to tell Sasuke the truth,, Sasuke will most-likely speak up on the truth about Itachi and his clan and his vengeance for Danzo for having made Itachi wipe out the clan when they werent behind Kyuubi,,, and now hes gonna learn that Madara really was behind him,,,, this is where Sasuke will turn back on Madara. Sasuke also knows that Bee is alive now,,, which could somewhat excuse his move in front of Raikage which would kinda remove their "desire to kill Sasuke" since Naruto and co. would be there to make them realise he was used. And Danzo with the Sharingan well,,,, i dunno what to say, Danzo being Madara? That would be stupid and i dont think he is,,,, Danzo having the Sharingan leftover by Obito,,, "maybe. Cant wait to see what happens next,, that chapter is leading to where i believed it was going - Sasuke fighting Madara for the sake of his clan..

[Konoha Hurricane]

ok proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/11/

nagato talks about what was going on in the world when yahiko died. the key points are that the world was engaged in the middle of the great war. he also said those events happened shortly (overnight was the exact word nagato used) after being released from jiraiya's custody, with whom they spent 3 years.

This most likely was not the same war kakashi fought in seeing as jiraiya was so young (compare hair lengths in the picture where jiraiya was with the 4th hokage as a student and you can see). Danzo had his eye then.

Is it possible that the eye danzo had then was the same eye as a kid who most likely hasn't been born yet? No.

Its far more likely danzo has madara's eye. madara seems to know way too much about danzo (he wasn't even surprised when he was elected hokage in a flash) and despite being a true blood uchiha only uses one eye. when you consider that itachi killed all the uchiha with the help of madara and under the discretion of danzo, its not too hard to imagine madara and danzo not being allies at somepoint.

Ahhh it would seem he DID have it!

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000177842/13.jpg

Anyone notice how Danzou was nowhere to be seen in like an instant? Maybe used space-time to leave the area?

[wingsabre]

ok proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/11/

nagato talks about what was going on in the world when yahiko died. the key points are that the world was engaged in the middle of the great war. he also said those events happened shortly (overnight was the exact word nagato used) after being released from jiraiya's custody, with whom they spent 3 years.

This most likely was not the same war kakashi fought in seeing as jiraiya was so young (compare hair lengths in the picture where jiraiya was with the 4th hokage as a student and you can see). Danzo had his eye then.

Is it possible that the eye danzo had then was the same eye as a kid who most likely hasn't been born yet? No.

Its far more likely danzo has madara's eye. madara seems to know way too much about danzo (he wasn't even surprised when he was elected hokage in a flash) and despite being a true blood uchiha only uses one eye. when you consider that itachi killed all the uchiha with the help of madara and under the discretion of danzo, its not too hard to imagine madara and danzo not being allies at somepoint.

People do get haircuts, and they can also grow them long in a short period of time.

[TeamSeven]

The stage was set for this way back when they first started talking about Danzou coveting control and hating the third hokage.

Most of the stuff I thought might happen is happening to some extent. I'm just surprised they are giving away so many large hints so quickly... such as the obvious connection to Orochimaru.

If you are a plotting man, and you want to destroy the 3rd's will, then what better way than to lead his prized student away?

And .. if Danzou was responsible for steering Oro towards so many forbidden techniques, what's to say what he was capable of doing with the remains of Obito's body?

We have nothing to prove Madara is actually Madara. But the name Madara would be a suitable image to represent someone who wanted to overthrow the line of succession that started with the 1st.

Yet we have only this "Madara"s word for the fact that the other elders and the 3rd were in on the Uchiha clan slayings, or had any knowledge of who influenced Itachi.

Who benefited from the Uchiha slayings? Danzou. It cleared the way for him to have complete control over the secret police, and got rid of the group that had the best chance to stop his plans ... all in one move. There was no coup planned.

What if he orchestrated the events that drove the 3 sannin from the village, starting with Oro and the death of Tsunade's loved ones?

Kabuto was originally a war orphan .. just the type that "root" takes in. Who wants to bet that's where he was trained.

Danzou is at the center of all imho.

[Iwashi]

ok proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/11/


nagato talks about what was going on in the world when yahiko died.

now read the introduction for the kakashi gaiden

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/01/

the key points are that the world was engaged in the middle of the great war with 3 countries in nagato's story but inkakashis it was all 5. he also said those events happened shortly (overnight was the exact word nagato used) after being released from jiraiya's custody, with whom they spent 3 years.

This most likely was not the same war kakashi fought in seeing as jiraiya was so young (compare hair lengths in the picture where jiraiya was with the 4th hokage as a student and you can see). Danzo had his eye then.

Is it possible that the eye danzo had then was the same eye as a kid who most likely hasn't been born yet? No.

Its far more likely danzo has madara's eye. madara seems to know way too much about danzo (he wasn't even surprised when he was elected hokage in a flash) and despite being a true blood uchiha only uses one eye. when you consider that itachi killed all the uchiha with the help of madara and under the discretion of danzo, its not too hard to imagine madara and danzo not being allies at somepoint.

drop the obito line of thought. it just plain doesn't work when you look at the ages of jiraiya, obito and danzo.

This. Danzou does not have Obito's eye. He wasn't even born yet. Nor is he Obito. It just doesn't fit the time line.

[Alexis]

ok proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/11/


nagato talks about what was going on in the world when yahiko died.

now read the introduction for the kakashi gaiden

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/01/

the key points are that the world was engaged in the middle of the great war. he also said those events happened shortly (overnight was the exact word nagato used) after being released from jiraiya's custody, with whom they spent 3 years.

This most likely was not the same war kakashi fought in seeing as jiraiya was so young (compare hair lengths in the picture where jiraiya was with the 4th hokage as a student and you can see). Danzo had his eye then.

Is it possible that the eye danzo had then was the same eye as a kid who most likely hasn't been born yet? No.

Its far more likely danzo has madara's eye. madara seems to know way too much about danzo (he wasn't even surprised when he was elected hokage in a flash) and despite being a true blood uchiha only uses one eye. when you consider that itachi killed all the uchiha with the help of madara and under the discretion of danzo, its not too hard to imagine madara and danzo not being allies at somepoint.

drop the obito line of thought. it just plain doesn't work when you look at the ages of jiraiya, obito and danzo.
We see Danzou bandaged. We don't see if he has implanted the eye then.
And the timeline could be around Kakashi Gaiden. Konan didn't seem to age past two great wars.

[SeiferGanon]

The stage was set for this way back when they first started talking about Danzou coveting control and hating the third hokage.

Most of the stuff I thought might happen is happening to some extent. I'm just surprised they are giving away so many large hints so quickly... such as the obvious connection to Orochimaru.

If you are a plotting man, and you want to destroy the 3rd's will, then what better way than to lead his prized student away?

And .. if Danzou was responsible for steering Oro towards so many forbidden techniques, what's to say what he was capable of doing with the remains of Obito's body?

We have nothing to prove Madara is actually Madara. But the name Madara would be a suitable image to represent someone who wanted to overthrow the line of succession that started with the 1st.

Yet we have only this "Madara"s word for the fact that the other elders and the 3rd were in on the Uchiha clan slayings, or had any knowledge of who influenced Itachi.

Who benefited from the Uchiha slayings? Danzou. It cleared the way for him to have complete control over the secret police, and got rid of the group that had the best chance to stop his plans ... all in one move. There was no coup planned.

What if he orchestrated the events that drove the 3 sannin from the village, starting with Oro and the death of Tsunade's loved ones?

Kabuto was originally a war orphan .. just the type that "root" takes in. Who wants to bet that's where he was trained.

Danzou is at the center of all imho.

I agree. We already know Tobi/Madara is a liar. Tobi said he had nothing to do with the kyuubi attacking Konoha, when the Fourth said that a "masked man" was controlling everything the kyuubi did. Who is to say he isn't also lying about being Madara? We only have Tobi on his word that he is Madara.

[Iwashi]

I'm starting to think Madara as a physical entity is no more. What with people now saying Danzou might be, even though Tobi stated that he was.
Perhaps it's just a mental thing. Then again when we saw Madara talking to Itachi in a flash back, it was clearly the Madara of 90+ years ago as they had the same haircut etc. So I dunno.

[daman246]

What happened with the Rinnegan anyway? Jiraiya said it was the strongest, is it just gone from Naruto forever now
who said that rinnegan is gone for good never know if someone else has it awaken after nagato die or it has not et awaken to the other person that was chosen

[Konoha Hurricane]

Could the completely new eye technique that Itachi was referring to be a way to be literally in 2 places at exactly the same time?

Is it possible for Madara to be both Danzou and the Tobi we know inside Akatsuki?

My ultimate theory is that there is some Kame/Piccolo type stuff going on between Danzou and Madara. Imagine Sasuke's utter shock when he learns that Danzou, his target, has a Sharingan too?

We pretty much know for certain now that Sasuke won't beat this man. I had strong doubts Sasuke would be able to defeat him before even this revelation and now we learn he has Sharingan? :D

I think a split has occurred of some kind. Tobi has some aspects of Madara's power and Danzou also has some aspects of his power.

[br4nd0nh347]

You must be kidding, right? :s Tobi is Danzou's arm??? If one Arm can be so powerful, imagine the rest..... :darn

Just trying to bring some meaning into why his arm is messed up.
And why Obito has a left eye sharingan, and Danzou has a right eye sharingan.

[THM Nindo]

In my opinion, Kakashi Gaiden and the Danzou/Hanzou stuff was almost at the same time,
Which one happened first, I'm not sure, but the timeline seems to fit (it all happened during the 3rd great war who might have length many years).

As for the difference between 3 countries at war, and then 5 countries at war, well some country might have capitulated, or allied in the lenght of the war.
That doesn't mean it's not the same war.

My question is : Did Danzou had the Sharingan before Kakashi?

I was thinking that nobody even tried it before Obito offer his eye to Kakashi.
That's what I want to believe. So that's why I'm pushing in saying that the Hanzou/Danzou stuff happened after Obito's dead.
And to those that seems to believe that the timeline don't work, it works.

Obito died approximatelty 11 years after Jiraiya left the Rain country.
That would mean that Nagato and co. would have something like 25 years old.
They could definitely be around that age when they faced Hanzou/Danzou.

But, listen carefully, Danzou is NOT Obito. (That theory is the lamest I ever heard.:eyeroll)
And Danzou's eye is probably NOT Obito's.
(Unless right after he learned that Kakashi transplant Obito's eye, he went to fetch the corpse and took the 2nd eye, but that's unlikely.)

Danzou probably just killed a random Uchiha and took his eyes...

[Belisar]

Well all these speculations of Danzou=Madara are getting more support, but I still think theres a chance that thats not the case.

I think Danzou's Sharingan is much like Kakashi's, except maybe his sharingan is Obito's damaged half, hence the relation between him and orochiaru.
Could be possible that Orochimaru planted that sharingan in him as an experiment, and only did so because he was curious and didnt want the imperfection of having one sharingan eye for himself. who knows.

But yeah it is likely thatDanzo and Madara have some sort of connection, but I think Obito may be tied in here somewhere as well.
most probably did oro implanted the sharingan just to see if he could do the same. but without uchiha blood the result was below his expectations, so he dropped this possibility.

[mr.xwood]

first post if danzo and kakashi have obito eyes then if danzo got the ms then kakashi would at the same time

sidenote so thinking why one rinneggan user a at time reincarnation maybe but will it take to long for the next one to show up

[Belisar]

In my opinion, Kakashi Gaiden and the Danzou/Hanzou stuff was almost at the same time,
Which one happened first, I'm not sure, but the timeline seems to fit (it all happened during the 3rd great war who might have length many years).

As for the difference between 3 countries at war, and then 5 countries at war, well some country might have capitulated, or allied in the lenght of the war.
That doesn't mean it's not the same war.

My question is : Did Danzou had the Sharingan before Kakashi?

I was thinking that nobody even tried it before Obito offer his eye to Kakashi.
That's what I want to believe. So that's why I'm pushing in saying that the Hanzou/Danzou stuff happened after Obito's dead.
And to those that seems to believe that the timeline don't work, it works.

Obito died approximatelty 11 years after Jiraiya left the Rain country.
That would mean that Nagato and co. would have something like 25 years old.
They could definitely be around that age when they faced Hanzou/Danzou.

But, listen carefully, Danzou is NOT Obito. (That theory is the lamest I ever heard.:eyeroll)
And Danzou's eye is probably NOT Obito's.
(Unless right after he learned that Kakashi transplant Obito's eye, he went to fetch the corpse and took the 2nd eye, but that's unlikely.)

Danzou probably just killed a random Uchiha and took his eyes...
why killing? there were enough dead.

[Kyuubinoyoko]

Im really getting tired of the sharingan...:notrust

Kishi is burnt out of ideas

[_Rin_]

In my opinion, Kakashi Gaiden and the Danzou/Hanzou stuff was almost at the same time,
Which one happened first, I'm not sure, but the timeline seems to fit (it all happened during the 3rd great war who might have length many years).

As for the difference between 3 countries at war, and then 5 countries at war, well some country might have capitulated, or allied in the lenght of the war.
That doesn't mean it's not the same war.

My question is : Did Danzou had the Sharingan before Kakashi?

I was thinking that nobody even tried it before Obito offer his eye to Kakashi.
That's what I want to believe. So that's why I'm pushing in saying that the Hanzou/Danzou stuff happened after Obito's dead.

But, Danzou is NOT Obito.
And Danzou's eye is probably NOT Obito's.
Unless right after he learned that Kakashi transplant Obito's eye, he went to fetch the corpse and took the 2nd eye, but that's unlikely.

Danzou probably just killed a random Uchiha and took his eyes...

Maybe Shisui

When they starts to use Itachi, Danzou has profited from the moment and he decided to remove the eyes of somebody from the clan (And why not Shisui :))... Well something has happened and Danzou has take only one eye. And Uchihas notice the Shisui's absence. And who to be blamed? Itachi of course :) and soon he will have to perform his mission.
And When Itachi leaves, Danzou has thought, that he will be able to remove the eyes of Sasuke. But Itachi have sense that Danzou may do something like this and threatens him.

[Mythsoul]

hmmmm......is it me....or the shinobis attacking Danzou have mask...could it be Anbu...??

[Iwashi]

In my opinion, Kakashi Gaiden and the Danzou/Hanzou stuff was almost at the same time,
Which one happened first, I'm not sure, but the timeline seems to fit (it all happened during the 3rd great war who might have length many years).

As for the difference between 3 countries at war, and then 5 countries at war, well some country might have capitulated, or allied in the lenght of the war.
That doesn't mean it's not the same war.

My question is : Did Danzou had the Sharingan before Kakashi?

I was thinking that nobody even tried it before Obito offer his eye to Kakashi.
That's what I want to believe. So that's why I'm pushing in saying that the Hanzou/Danzou stuff happened after Obito's dead.
And to those that seems to believe that the timeline don't work, it works.

Obito died approximatelty 11 years after Jiraiya left the Rain country.
That would mean that Nagato and co. would have something like 25 years old.
They could definitely be around that age when they faced Hanzou/Danzou.

But, listen carefully, Danzou is NOT Obito. (That theory is the lamest I ever heard.:eyeroll)
And Danzou's eye is probably NOT Obito's.
(Unless right after he learned that Kakashi transplant Obito's eye, he went to fetch the corpse and took the 2nd eye, but that's unlikely.)

Danzou probably just killed a random Uchiha and took his eyes...

How can they be at the same time if they happened in 2 seperate Ninja Wars? :/

[gt_escudo]

Danzo=Uchiha Madara

Danzo=right eye patch
Madara=right eye sharingan

*right eye patch covering the right eye sharingan
*Danzo and Madara has the same haircut outline
*both work behind the scenes, manipulating events

[Darth Executor]

How could it be Obito's eye when half of Obito was crushed under a multi-ton rock? The other half is the eye that went to Kakashi. C'mon people. :p

If half his head had been crushed into a rock he'd have died instantly (which he didn't). So it's plausible that his other eye survived, though why the hell Danzou would dig through all that rubble in the middle of nowhere just to get a sharingan he could get somewhere else more easily is beyond me.

[Iwashi]

hmmmm......is it me....or the shinobis attacking Danzou have mask...could it be Anbu...??

They have masks but appear to be wearing Chuunin/Jounin vests. Maybe the masks are to hide their identity. Either that or yeah they are ANBU. Either way they don't realise that they have gotten themselves into. They will be dealt with in a couple of pages no doubt.

[Konoha Hurricane]

Im really getting tired of the sharingan...:notrust

Kishi is burnt out of ideas

Thank god Kishi isn't taking advice like this. I think the way he is handling this stuff is amazingly creative. Even with how much people claim to be anticipating all of this stuff and reading Kishi like a book, everyone is still shocked to see Danzou with a Sharingan.

Perhaps the only thing we all saw coming was the 4th being Naruto's father. Kishi has been dancing circles around some of his readers :P

[Darth Executor]

Danzo=Uchiha Madara

Danzo=right eye patch
Madara=right eye sharingan

*right eye patch covering the right eye sharingan
*Danzo and Madara has the same haircut outline
*both work behind the scenes, manipulating events

They don't have the same haircut outline (other than it's spiky, which in a manga is like saying they're both dudes). Danzou is missing an arm while tobi has both of them fully functional.
[hr]

Thank god Kishi isn't taking advice like this. I think the way he is handling this stuff is amazingly creative. Even with how much people claim to be anticipating all of this stuff and reading Kishi like a book, everyone is still shocked to see Danzou with a Sharingan.


Everybody? Danzou = madara or simple danzou's other eye = sharingan theory has been around for ever.

[katon_style]

hello to all.this is my first post.i have visited this site for months but this chapter made me to register and to write me opinion lol.according to me Danzo has nothing to do wth madara and tobi too.his has got his sharingan just like kakashi and it's normal that he has only one sharingan just like kakashi because just to remember http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/16/10/ look at the left bottom.kakashi is exhausted because of using his sharingan too much so we all know than a non-uchiha can have only one sharingan inplanted and have to cover it while not fighing because will have his chackra continually used if not.so all the theories about danzo-madara or danzo-tobi arent consistent.i thinks danzo has got his sharingan after uchiha clan assasination and his sharingan is sasuke's dad sharingan.there were a lot of other sharingan users who danzo could have taken a sharingan but after itachi his father was the strongest in uchiha because of militaty police boss.(let's assume like that).and in the upcoming figh between danzo and sasuke other things will get explained about the uchiha clan and madara status but danzo will die for surely.sasuke will be harmed badly and without a hokage konoha can't take actions to him for the moment.the sitation will calm for a while and team hebi will join konoha team 10 but before of that after the kage meetings i predict a fight between danzo vs sasuke and gaara vs suigetsu.karin is useless.juggo han no more his cs.but before dying danzo will leave some messages to sasuke reguards madara because sasuke can mantain his status of revenger ;).

[_Rin_]

Danzo=Uchiha Madara

Danzo=right eye patch
Madara=right eye sharingan

*right eye patch covering the right eye sharingan
*Danzo and Madara has the same haircut outline
*both work behind the scenes, manipulating events


Okey.... how did you see Danzou to do the things that Tobi do with Deidara...:notrust

I think that the Madara's body is much more younger than the Danzou's.

[bean]

If half his head had been crushed into a rock he'd have died instantly (which he didn't). So it's plausible that his other eye survived, though why the hell Danzou would dig through all that rubble in the middle of nowhere just to get a sharingan he could get somewhere else more easily is beyond me.
well here's the thing, if he did get teh sharingan from some random nin in konoha, I think the uchiha community would go crazy, like throwing a rock in a wasps' nest. They wouldn't just let a sharingan go. I would assume they would look for the missing uchiha, if he was killed, or at least find out who stole the eye...I dunno.
[hr]

Thank god Kishi isn't taking advice like this. I think the way he is handling this stuff is amazingly creative. Even with how much people claim to be anticipating all of this stuff and reading Kishi like a book, everyone is still shocked to see Danzou with a Sharingan.

Perhaps the only thing we all saw coming was the 4th being Naruto's father. Kishi has been dancing circles around some of his readers :P
I wasn't as much shocked as I was pissed that it wasn't conclusive. It's like, great, another mystery that only really adds fuel to the fire than make one side right.

[Belisar]

So Sasuke, Kakashi, Madara, Danzo all have the sharingan and in the spoiler
kakashi makes it sound like there could be other village or villages that might have other Uchihas still living?
ao has the sharingan. :imslow i wouldn't wonder if every one eyed shinobi would reveal to have the sharingan. :notrust

[Konoha Hurricane]

They don't have the same haircut outline (other than it's spiky, which in a manga is like saying they're both dudes). Danzou is missing an arm while tobi has both of them fully functional.
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Everybody? Danzou = madara or simple danzou's other eye = sharingan theory has been around for ever.

tobi clearly has what appears to be screws on that arm :)

[Darth Executor]

its pointless to try, apparently kishi is proving every crack pot theory is right.

Crackpot theory = theory you didn't see coming

When Itachi turned out to be a good guy after I vocally dismissed the theory as stupid or "crackpot", I took it like a man rather than blame the writer for a good plot twist. A lot of you people could show a bit of humility yourselves and not blame the writer for your own lack of imagination.
[hr]

tobi clearly has what appears to be screws on that arm :)

No he doesn't. He has what looks like a screw on his side padding, but that's all.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/10/

[rj42492]

I want to settle the "Danzo had the sharingan during the Hanzo incident" thing.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/05/
Here Kakashi has his eye covered. Why? Because he LOST his eye. He conveniently was able to replace it quickly. I don't think Danzo having his eye covered is conclusive evidence that he has a Sharingan then. It's not proof that he DIDN'T, but we'll have to wait to find out (and I'm sure we will).

[THM Nindo]

Maybe Shisui

When they starts to use Itachi, Danzou has profited from the moment and he decided to remove the eyes of somebody from the clan (And why not Shisui :))... Well something has happened and Danzou has take only one eye. And Uchihas notice the Shisui's absence. And who to be blamed? Itachi of course :) and soon he will have to perform his mission.
And When Itachi leaves, Danzou has thought, that he will be able to remove the eyes of Sasuke. But Itachi have sense that Danzou may do something like this and threatens him.

No, I doubt it was Shusui.
The Uchiha massacre (and Shusui's death) only occured 3 years before the start of the manga.

And we saw that he had the bandage (and most likely the Sharingan), something like 10 years before the start of the manga.

It all depends if he already had the Sharingan when he was allied with Hanzou.

[Belisar]

for god's sake, he doesn't have obito's eyes. danzou had his sharingan in place long before obito died.
in fact, he had a bandage long before obito died.

[Natoma]

If half his head had been crushed into a rock he'd have died instantly (which he didn't). So it's plausible that his other eye survived, though why the hell Danzou would dig through all that rubble in the middle of nowhere just to get a sharingan he could get somewhere else more easily is beyond me.

Already covered talking with Bean earlier, but anyone having a multi-ton rock land on their body like that would've died instantly. So clearly there are some reality-bending rules at play.

Not to mention people that walk on water, shoot lightning from their fingertips, see their dead fathers inside their head while talking to a mountain-sized 9-tailed demon, etc. ;)

That said, it's far more likely that Danzou got his Sharingan from one of the corpses after the Uchiha massacre. He knew when it was going to happen to he could've easily had one of his root members waiting to pick up a dead Uchiha.

Why people continue to skip that more plausible and far easier solution and go directly to the ZOMGWTFBBQTOBITO theory is beyond me. :D

[Belisar]

I had a crazy thought. What if danzou is madara and madara is danzou, but they are still 2 separate people?

What if they are both the same person, but while apart have their own thoughts and ambitions and their power is split.
like zetsu? :s

[THM Nindo]

How can they be at the same time if they happened in 2 seperate Ninja Wars? :/

It's the same ninja war.

At some point there was 3 country in war, and at some point there was 5.
Either some of them allied, or some of them capitulate.

It's just like the US and the Canada that weren't in the World War at the beginning but joined later on.

[hhv94]

Oh thanks to the user who posted a pic of Tobi when he revealed that right side of his face. Although if you notice its ironic that part of the face was somewhat revealed with Tobi but it was enough to only reveal as much as the part of the face that Danzou has covered up. Sorta TO convinient there. Also as for the look of the eye, that side of Danzou face is shadowed so darkly that you cant tell the rest of the face except for the eye.

[Natoma]

No, I doubt it was Shusui.
The Uchiha massacre (and Shusui's death) only occured 3 years before the start of the manga.

And we saw that he had the bandage (and most likely the Sharingan), something like 10 years before the start of the manga.

It all depends if he already had the Sharingan when he was allied with Hanzou.

He could've had a screwed up eye long before doing an implantation of the Sharingan. The Uchiha massacre gave him the best opportunity to get one.

[Eddy01741]

Well, with Madara's teleportation abilities, I wouldn't put it past him to be Danzou as well. It'd be wierd though, since Danzou was one of those in favor of the Uchiha genocide.

I dunno, I personally find that it'd be too late to introduce any new Uchiha's into the story without fans calling BS on Kishi. Kakashi introduced the sharingan, Sasuke recognized it as his own bloodline, and unlocked it shortly later. Sasuke gives us the tale of himself and his brother, introducing Itachi, and then post-timeskip, Kyuubi introduces Madara by noting the sinister chakra of Sasuke. Obito was also introduced in the gaiden, but he is supposedly dead, but who knows.

Call me wierd for believing crackpot theories, but I doubt Kishi would introduce a whole new Uchiha, that'd just be anti-climactic, all villains have had mystique and hype behind them before we've seen them in action so far.

However, at the same time, Danzou notes that his body is dulled, and Madara hasn't exactly just been sitting around...

[THM Nindo]

He could've had a screwed up eye long before doing an implantation of the Sharingan. The Uchiha massacre gave him the best opportunity to get one.

Yeah, like I said, it all depends if he already had the Sharingan when we saw him with Hanzou, or if he was only covering his missing eye.

[Darth Executor]

Already covered talking with Bean earlier, but anyone having a multi-ton rock land on their body like that would've died instantly. So clearly there are some reality-bending rules at play.

Unless, of course, it merely pinned him down and didn't cause much direct damage rather than hit him directly with all its weight.


Not to mention people that walk on water, shoot lightning from their fingertips, see their dead fathers inside their head while talking to a mountain-sized 9-tailed demon, etc. ;)

There is an added system by which all these things are possible but we are still talking about humans. At any rate, I'm glad you agree it's perfectly plausible for Obito's eye to survive the boulder mash. As to the rest of your post, you're more or less repeating what I already said.

[Belisar]

Your not the only one man trust me...
actually danzou having the sharingan is far more intresting for the plot than emo boy sasuke.

wouldn't it be funny if danzou would be madara?

*kage summit*
*sasuke appears*
sasuke: danzou, as revenge for my brother and uchiha i will kill you
*charges forward with chidori*
*slips through danzou*
danzou: idiot, it's me *face palm*

[Natoma]

Unless, of course, it merely pinned him down and didn't cause much direct damage rather than hit him directly with all his eight.

There is an added system by which all these things are possible but we are still talking about humans. At any rate, I'm glad you agree it's perfectly plausible for Obito's eye to survive the boulder mash. As to the rest of your post, you're more or less repeating what I already said.

Actually I'm saying it's rather absurd since he clearly had blood all over his body when the rock landed on him and hte smoke cleared. And he said he was dying from being smashed, as he described it.

Not to mention it'd be a hell of a lot easier for Danzou to get Sharingan from a dead Uchiha after the massacre than go dig Obito's flattened body up.

[Essence]

Crackpot theory = theory you didn't see coming

When Itachi turned out to be a good guy after I vocally dismissed the theory as stupid or "crackpot", I took it like a man rather than blame the writer for a good plot twist. A lot of you people could show a bit of humility yourselves and not blame the writer for your own lack of imagination.





well i didn't see it coming, i knew about the theories but i was to busy saying that kishi is above average writers and that he would never made such a horrible plot choice by giving another person the sharingan. Plus Kishi, use to be unpredictable. but i guess i was wrong, kishi is just an average writer that gets lucky at times.

[Smokes]

Holy crap....Kamui beat the hell out of Naruto.:p Has he ever looked that battered before?

That sharingan looks so wierd on Danzou. I think it's the perspective in which it's drawn. It looks monstrous. I'm buffering for the disappointment of not seeing what he actually uses. I'm thinking this is going to play out like Nagato's blackout jutsu and we'll only know that those fodder were defeated, but not exactly how.:(

[Konoha Hurricane]

like zetsu? :s

Like Piccolo and Kame from DBZ

[Darth Executor]

well i didn't see it coming, i knew about the theories but i was to busy saying that kishi is above average writers and that he would never made such a horrible plot choice by giving another person the sharingan. Plus Kishi, use to be unpredictable. but i guess i was wrong, kishi is just an average writer that gets lucky at times.

Please explain why it's a horrible plot choice.
[hr]

Actually I'm saying it's rather absurd since he clearly had blood all over his body when the rock landed on him and hte smoke cleared. And he said he was dying from being smashed, as he described it.

That doesn't mean the smash instantly did lethal damage. He could be pinned and dying from blood loss without the rock having to kill him instantly, plot jutsu or not.


Not to mention it'd be a hell of a lot easier for Danzou to get Sharingan from a dead Uchiha after the massacre than go dig Obito's flattened body up.

I never disputed this. In fact, i said the same thing so I dunno why you repeat it yet again. What I disputed is the idea that it couldn't be obito's other eye because it was destroyed. It could. It's not likely, but it could.

[Rikudou King]

The two major villains having the Sharigan removes the uniqueness from the plot. At least we still have Kabuto.

[Essence]

Please explain why it's a horrible plot choice.

Well lets see, we already have 3 people with the sharingan, bringing another in only cheapens the technique even more, plus it also cheapens Danzou role as a villlain, wow another sharingan villain. also part of good writing is to be unpredictable, you never really want to give into what the fan assume, this theory existed for a long time and kishi just give in too it, so he waited all this time to confirm what people had assume, that's just horrible.

[Weapon_X]

well i didn't see it coming, i knew about the theories but i was to busy saying that kishi is above average writers and that he would never made such a horrible plot choice by giving another person the sharingan. Plus Kishi, use to be unpredictable. but i guess i was wrong, kishi is just an average writer that gets lucky at times.

Why is it a horrible plot choice?

Kishi has just made things much better with Danzou having the Sharingan. I didn't expect it for sure, it was totally unexpected. And I know not alot of people expected it either, this was something out of the ordinary.

This horrible plot choice as you say has started up another whole loads of bunch of theories, and that's what Kishi is great at. Not many Mangaka like him can start lots of theories like this in just 1 panel.

[Grizz]

Why is it a horrible plot choice?

Kishi has just made things much better with Danzou having the Sharingan. I didn't expect it for sure, it was totally unexpected. And I know not alot of people expected it either, this was something out of the ordinary.

This horrible plot choice as you say has started up another whole loads of bunch of theories, and that's what Kishi is great at. Not many Mangaka like him can start lots of theories like this in just 1 panel.


I think giving danzou the sharingan has just made the manga plot far more exciting..

[Essence]

Why is it a horrible plot choice?

Kishi has just made things much better with Danzou having the Sharingan. I didn't expect it for sure, it was totally unexpected. And I know not alot of people expected it either, this was something out of the ordinary.

This horrible plot choice as you say has started up another whole loads of bunch of theories, and that's what Kishi is great at. Not many Mangaka like him can start lots of theories like this in just 1 panel.

well i could give several reason but i'm just gonna go with one. we have two villlains with the sharingan, aint that horrible.


I think giving danzou the sharingan has just made the manga plot far more exciting..

:blinkwasn't it you who agree what kishi did with danzou is horrible.

[Darth Executor]

Well lets see, we already have 3 people with the sharingan, bringing another in only cheapens the technique even more,

So? We have a lot more people who use ninjutsu. OMG ninjutsu is being cheapened! :eyeroll

It's a bloodline limit. One that provides a transferable eye and which has been crucial to the plot so far. There's nothing "cheap" about having a handful of people with it.


plus it also cheapens Danzou role as a villlain, wow another sharingan villain.

Out of the, uhh, 1 that was there already? 2 if you count sasuke, but sasuke's more of an anti-hero than a real villain.


also part of good writing is to be unpredictable, you never really want to give into what the fan assume, this theory existed for a long time and kishi just give in too it, so he waited all this time to confirm what people had assume, that's just horrible.

Most people thought the theory was nuts, therefore it was unpredictable to them (you're one of them actually). So why would you complain about it being predictable when you didn't predict it? And what's wrong with confirming some predictions? It's why he hints at them, so we can argue and hopefully some of us get it right. It's virtually impossible for a writer with so many readers to be unpredictable to everybody. If he manages to fool most people until the last minute (and he certainly did in this case as only a handful of people thought he had a sharingain) he should be proud of himself.

[Konoha Hurricane]

The two major villains having the Sharigan removes the uniqueness from the plot. At least we still have Kabuto.

Removes the uniqueness?

More like it adds to the uniqueness.

Another sharingan user makes things extremely interesting. We know it isn't just one sharingan user manipulating things behind the scene, but another. It takes what was already a formiddable threat in Danzou and elevates him more. What are the chances he has a Mangekyou? What are the chances he has some other unbelievable eye technique we've never seen?

What are the chances that this means he's far more of a direct threat to Madara, Naruto, Sasuke and an even greater impacting presence on the overall direction of the plot? Why does he have it? How did he get it? How much does he know? It makes things very interesting.

Why was he interested in getting his hands on Oro's research data for his right eye and arm when he has a sharingan? Did oro have a way to improve the sharingan further? What could oro possibly have that would help danzou with a sharingan?

[Darth Executor]

The two major villains having the Sharigan removes the uniqueness from the plot. At least we still have Kabuto.

The sharingan isn't what made Tobi unique in the first place.

[Volcom]

DANZO WITH SHARINGAN.......... WOW.........................

But oh well now we know what happened to obito right eye after he died. LOL

Dam this manga is getting interesting more and more

[Jadedmariner]

I personally think it would be a great twist if Itachi lied to Sasuke about how he gained the MS and we find out that he didn't kill Shisui Uchiha, but Danzou did. That would have provided Danzou both with a Sharingan and could end up being the true reason for the unrest that led to the Uchiha massacre. And that could have been what Danzou wanted, both obtaining a godly doujutsu and hoping to eliminate nearly everybody else that possessed it.

[Weapon_X]

well i could give several reason but i'm just gonna go with one. we have two villlains with the sharingan, aint that horrible.

The Sharingan is tainted, Kishi wanted it like that. He made that very specific Doujutsu evil in terms of power and history. That's why Oro wanted one because it was so powerful and all the dark secrets it held.

It would suck if Danzou had the Byakuugan because Byakuugan is not tainted. It's been a normal Doujutsu and will remain as one. Byakuugan is pure and clean, an opposite to the Sharingan. I admit the Byakuugan needs screentime, sure but it can be done through someone else like Neji who isn't evil.

[Essence]

So? We have a lot more people who use ninjutsu. OMG ninjutsu is being cheapened! :eyeroll

It's a bloodline limit. One that provides a transferable eye and which has been crucial to the plot so far. There's nothing "cheap" about having a handful of people with it.



Out of the, uhh, 1 that was there already? 2 if you count sasuke, but sasuke's more of an anti-hero than a real villain.



Most people thought the theory was nuts, therefore it was unpredictable to them (you're one of them actually). So why would you complain about it being predictable when you didn't predict it? And what's wrong with confirming some predictions? It's why he hints at them, so we can argue and hopefully some of us get it right. It's virtually impossible for a writer with so many readers to be unpredictable to everybody. If he manages to fool most people until the last minute (and he certainly did in this case as only a handful of people thought he had a sharingain) he should be proud of himself.

wow that's the most irrational point you are making, So your telling me, you would rather have a villain with repetitive qualities instead of them being unique:blink. The fact Danzou has a sharingan wruin this manga. It makes it typical, its like a james bond villain, where they are they basically have almost the same goal, world conquest.


The Sharingan is tainted, Kishi wanted it like that. He made that very specific Doujutsu evil in terms of power and history. That's why Oro wanted one because it was so powerful and all the dark secrets it held.

It would suck if Danzou had the Byakuugan because Byakuugan is not tainted. It's been a normal Doujutsu and will remain as one. Byakuugan is pure and clean, an opposite to the Sharingan. I admit the Byakuugan needs screentime, sure but it can be done through someone else like Neji who isn't evil.

Thats no real reason to give Danzou the sharingan, not only does it cheapen Danzou as a character but it does to Madara, now madara seem more less of a threat with his sharingan because two people already had it. Villains are suppose to be unique, they cant be repetitive. What kishi did is horrible. That's like giving another villain the same power as Aizen to hypnotise, then that would only cheapen his power.

[Jadedmariner]

wow that's the most irrational point you are making, So your telling me, you would rather have a villain with repetitive qualities instead of them being unique:blink. The fact Danzou has a sharingan wruin this manga. It makes it typical, its like a james bond villain, where they are they basically have almost the same goal, world conquest.

You do realize that all James Bond villans are part of the same organization (SPECTRE), so of course they would share the same goal.

As far as Danzou goes it is to some degree lame that he has it if he does turn out to be a classical villan. However, it could also just be an application of the phrase, "Fight fire with fire". For all we know he took the eye hoping to use it to defend himself against Itachi.

[Rikudou King]

Removes the uniqueness?

More like it adds to the uniqueness.

Another sharingan user makes things extremely interesting. We know it isn't just one sharingan user manipulating things behind the scene, but another. It takes what was already a formiddable threat in Danzou and elevates him more. What are the chances he has a Mangekyou? What are the chances he has some other unbelievable eye technique we've never seen?

What are the chances that this means he's far more of a direct threat to Madara, Naruto, Sasuke and an even greater impacting presence on the overall direction of the plot? Why does he have it? How did he get it? How much does he know? It makes things very interesting.

Why was he interested in getting his hands on Oro's research data for his right eye and arm when he has a sharingan? Did oro have a way to improve the sharingan further? What could oro possibly have that would help danzou with a sharingan? Uniqueness would be Danzo having something original. Danzo is one of the two major villains, Doesn't he deserve something else. Heck, How about Danzo being a Sage. Now that would be a surprise. We have both of the final bosses with the same abilities, More or less.

[Essence]

You do realize that all James Bond villans are part of the same organization (SPECTRE), so of course they would share the same goal.

As far as Danzou goes it is to some degree lame that he has it if he does turn out to be a classical villan. However, it could also just be an application of the phrase, "Fight fire with fire". For all we know he took the eye hoping to use it to defend himself against Itachi.

well that was only in first few movies. nope Danzou having the sharingan is worst than lame.

[Belisar]

well i could give several reason but i'm just gonna go with one. we have two villlains with the sharingan, aint that horrible.
danzou isn't a villain.

[Rikudou King]

danzou isn't a villain. Yeah, Dazno is a villain. Anyone who doesn't follow Naruto's way is a villain, Other then Sasuke.

[Grizz]

danzou isn't a villain.

I believe we have 3 villains, which are Uchiha Madara, Danzou and Sasuke... lol

[Jothesh2]

wow that's the most irrational point you are making, So your telling me, you would rather have a villain with repetitive qualities instead of them being unique:blink. The fact Danzou has a sharingan wruin this manga. It makes it typical, its like a james bond villain, where they are they basically have almost the same goal, world conquest.



Thats no real reason to give Danzou the sharingan, not only does it cheapen Danzou as a character but it does to Madara, now madara seem more less of a threat with his sharingan because two people already had it. Villains are suppose to be unique, they cant be repetitive. What kishi did is horrible. That's like giving another villain the same power as Aizen to hypnotise, then that would only cheapen his power.

I've always almost agreed with you, but this time I cannot.
I stay in the shadows of this forum, so I might not be known like all the other goddesses here.

Anyways I was one of those people who had read the theory of Danzou having sharingan, I thought it was impossible. Now him having it cought me by surprise. I'm actually curious on how he got it.

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For the first time we see Danzou fight!
It's exciting

[ameya730]

THEORY
danzou lost his eye when he first fought with the third hokage for the title sometime in the following years he probably is inspired by the fact that kakashi was able to get a sharingan from obito (it would be awesome if this were the reason) and so decides to obtain one and for this takes the help of orochimaru

orochimaru introduces him to uchiha madara as he has secretly joined akatsuki and uchiha madara tells him his plan to attack konoha... the plan is foiled by minato and probably itachi.... itachi realizes about danzou and then danzou tell itachi that sasuke will not be harmed if he does not reveal his secret and so on

[Grizz]

Yeah its kind of exciting seeing danzou actually fight...

[Essence]

danzou isn't a villain.

umm what do you suppose he is? i know you could say he is a politician who's doing the thing for the greater good of konoha, but still he use villlainous method to accomplish them. If you familiar with watchmen, the villain of the story kill 5 million people in new york but he was doing so to show that war is a bad thing, but still he use villainous method despite his good intention, therefore he's a villain

[Jadedmariner]

Yeah its kind of exciting seeing danzou actually fight...

If he actually fights and doesn't just one shot everybody with Sharingan.

[Belisar]

people say that madara and danzou are the same because of the haircut. then tenzou is danzou's son, because he has similar haircut.

[Grizz]

umm what do you suppose he is? i know you could say he is a politician who's doing the thing for the greater good of konoha, but still he use villlainous method to accomplish them. If you familiar with watchmen, the villain of the story kill 5 million people in new york but he was doing so to show that war is a bad thing, but still he use villainous method despite his good intention, therefore he's a villain


If he Danzou is an Uchiha then its 100% certain he's a villain...

[THM Nindo]

Yeah its kind of exciting seeing danzou actually fight...

Yeah, we will finally be able to see how strong he might be.
We can pretty much all agree that Danzou already has MS right.

Otherwise, he's pretty much useless right now :tem

But, I don't think we will see him fight right now.
I think it was just a way to show that he has the Sharingan.
But we will not see him fight those guys (we might just see their dead bodies, at best).

[Essence]

I've always almost agreed with you, but this time I cannot.
I stay in the shadows of this forum, so I might not be known like all the other goddesses here.

Anyways I was one of those people who had read the theory of Danzou having sharingan, I thought it was impossible. Now him having it cought me by surprise. I'm actually curious on how he got it.




lol i'm not saying theres not interesting aspect to Danzou having the sharingan but overall its a horrible plot choice because we already have madara who has the sharingan and sasuke who might become a villain, have the sharingan, kishi could at least gave Danzou a diffrent puzzling quality.

[Belisar]

has someone actually thought about danzou being madara's son?

the age would fit. they have similar traits. madara could be the one who told danzou to organize the uchiha killing.

[Grizz]

Yeah, i doubt we'll see him actually, or maybe some lil action but not too much revealing...

[Streen]

orochimaru introduces him to uchiha madara as he has secretly joined akatsuki and uchiha madara tells him his plan to attack konoha... the plan is foiled by minato and probably itachi.... itachi realizes about danzou and then danzou tell itachi that sasuke will not be harmed if he does not reveal his secret and so on
Minato died when Itachi was about 3 years old. I don't think Itachi was yet hokage-level. :blink

[Sachsenhesse]

oh my gosh what a surprise...

NOT XD

[ameya730]

Minato died when Itachi was about 3 years old. I don't think Itachi was yet hokage-level. :blink

my bad i am actually pretty confused about this part of the timeline cause if i remember correctly then itachi joined the war at a pretty early age (not sure when) can someone help me on this point :p

[KiSwordsman]

I'm sure someone said it ...
It's trite that Danzou has the sharingan (another bad guy w/ one). This pretty much establishes that the sharingan is the most prized, if not the most powerful thing, in naruto-verse. All the guys that want power want it. Come on, have we seen this before! I was really hoping Danzou is badass in some other way.

I won't say most powerful, the Rinnegan still has it beat in that regard. why do you think only one person had it? Could you imagine an entire clan of people with the power over life and death itself.

[ameya730]

has someone actually thought about danzou being madara's son?

the age would fit. they have similar traits. madara could be the one who told danzou to organize the uchiha killing.

i like your theory but i would hate to see danzou as a villain cause none of his actions so far have been against konoha they have just been extreme actions which he believed would eventually help konoha i hope kishi continues to develop him in that manner

the perpetual opponent of naruto's church but not necessary evil

[r@z]

Ah, yes.. As the plot thickens, yet again, so does the indignation of those who like their serving a little more or less viscous than the rest of us. If Danzou's having a sharingan causes this much dissent, I wonder what's going to happen when Naruto whips out the one Itachi gave him... >_>

EDIT:: Also, Madara killed Itachi's friend (forgot his name, but Itachi was accused of doing so in the flashback) and/or took his eye. >_> -- as he jiggles the rod a bit, carefully watching the lure.

[Essence]

i like your theory but i would hate to see danzou as a villain cause none of his actions so far have been against konoha they have just been extreme actions which he believed would eventually help konoha i hope kishi continues to develop him in that manner

the perpetual opponent of naruto's church but not necessary evil

the guy is a villain

[Sachsenhesse]

Ah, yes.. As the plot thickens, yet again, so does the indignation of those who like their serving a little more or less viscous than the rest of us. If Danzou's having a sharingan causes this much dissent, I wonder what's going to happen when Naruto whips out the one Itachi gave him... >_>

left eye: sage + kyuubimode
right eye: sharingan + kyuubimode

? or do we now make an

sage + shari + kyuubimode?

[ameya730]

the guy is a villain

fair enough but care to explain why

the only people who would consider him a villain would be PETA for killing a frog :p

on a more serious note it would be fun to have a morally grey character in naruto most are black or white or in disguise so his character would just make the story more interesting
[hr]

Minato died when Itachi was about 3 years old. I don't think Itachi was yet hokage-level. :blink

just checked on some back info itachi was 3 years old during the kyubii attack and i think he joined the anbu at a really early age so i guess he knew most of what happened around his surroundings and i guess at around that time he met madara and then from then on trained with him till the uchiha massacre

[Espada no Top]

okay even thought danzou has a sharingan i'll still don't think that he his related to madara. That just me until kishi tell me otherwise.,...

Also if danzou did end up being madara or related to madara that would make madara look like an even bigger loser. It means that his ambitions fell before the first (first hogake title), third (third hokage title), fourth (leaf destruction), and possible naruto (ninja world dominace or something of that sort).

[Jspot]

Well technically they would have to be related if Danzou is an actual Uchiha and not just another transplantee like Kakashi.

[Sachsenhesse]

Could you be anymore obvious?
Troll harder next time okay

ah comeon that all must be a bade joke with danzo, he was a interesting guy but now he is just shit

i mean the last sentence... "unbelieveable danzou has the sharingan"

were anyone here that made "oh noes :O"?

[Essence]

fair enough but care to explain why

the only people who would consider him a villain would be PETA for killing a frog :p

on a more serious note it would be fun to have a morally grey character in naruto most are black or white or in disguise so his character would just make the story more interesting


Well i already explain why in an earlier post but still why not, Danzou is a villain because while he is doing things for the good of konoha, he does them trough evil means not caring about who or what other country are affected by what he does, we could say he has shades of grey to his character but he is also power hungry. If you are familiar with watchmen, there is a character name OZymandias, He wanted to stop the potential of war that would break out which is a good intention but he did so by evil means, he killed 5 million people in new york to show the world what war would conspire too, while the intent of showing what war would conspire to is good, nonetheless he harm 5 million innocent life to do so, which is a villainous act. Danzou to some degree can be compare to that character

[sadffffff]

am i the only one who squirmed with delight when they read the spoiler about danzou's sharingan?

i dont see what the big outcry is over. in my opinion its better this way. makes for a way to tie danzou into the story more tightly and into narutoverse history. it improves the quality of the story. now he can be an uchiha, an eye thief, a brother to someone, part obito, someone in disguise (madara?), etc. his eye is looks like it might be broken in that he used MS to much and got put in "the darkness" and he believes there is a cure that orochimaru knew of.

the only thing it detracts from is uniqueness of abilities. what do you want? everyone to have something new? thats just silly in a world of ninjas, they cant all be original. and come on, if his sharingan actually has MS (evidence would point to yes, injury) its probably unique anyways--> enjoy.

eye looks similar to madara's, in that the scalera is darker...maybe thats just an age thing, or maybe thats an overuse/evil-person thing..oh! or maybe its an EMS thing!

so many questions, this is a wonderful development!

[Mou Wang]

I've always suspected a connection between Tobi/Madara and Danzou, but I always get laughed at. It's somewhat satisfying that Danzou has a Sharingan, because that helps support my theory more.

[ChocoBar9]

ah comeon that all must be a bade joke with danzo, he was a interesting guy but now he is just shit

i mean the last sentence... "unbelieveable danzou has the sharingan"

were anyone here that made "oh noes :O"?

Oh my bad, I admit I don't like this revelation either since I think the Sharingan is too overplayed at this moment, sorry again....:p

[bean]

am i the only one who squirmed with delight when they read the spoiler about danzou's sharingan?

i dont see what the big outcry is over. in my opinion its better this way. makes for a way to tie danzou into the story more tightly and into narutoverse history. it improves the quality of the story. now he can be an uchiha, an eye thief, a brother to someone, part obito, someone in disguise (madara?), etc. his eye is looks like it might be broken in that he used MS to much and got put in "the darkness" and he believes there is a cure that orochimaru knew of.

the only thing it detracts from is uniqueness of abilities. what do you want? everyone to have something new? thats just silly in a world of ninjas, they cant all be original. and come on, if his sharingan actually has MS (evidence would point to yes, injury) its probably unique anyways--> enjoy.

eye looks similar to madara's, in that the scalera is darker...maybe thats just an age thing, or maybe thats an overuse/evil-person thing..oh! or maybe its an EMS thing!

so many questions, this is a wonderful development!
I don't think he's capable of the MS, and if he is, he hasn't used it up to the point where he's "in the darkness." I think it'll look like itachi's eyes when he died if he's gone that far.

but, I don't see how "evidence points to yes, injury" means he has the MS. All we know is that he has the sharingan, that's it.

[mr.xwood]

im feeling hatred for naruto message trying to stop hatred that lead to killing. if he win then the ninja world won't end up with everyone killing eachother in the end. noble but trying to stop hatred is foolish and trying to more specific approach on stoping the killing is better imo

[Lastranger]

I wonder what will happen next, if naruto spills the beans at kage meeting about madara will hidden mist spill the beans and say they know allready ?

Madara was called former mizukage, one fo the 7 swordsmen regocnized him as that right away without the mask, i would think mizukage knows at least this much.

Whats next kishi gona make mizukage be madara's daughter with sharingan hidden under that hair of her's lol.

Still i think there's more then enough posibilitys that danzou got the eye later, but probably before uchia masacre,i dont think he is a uchia, like many said he hides his eye probably for same reasion kakashi does + mayby he dosnt want others to know as well.

As far as im concerned i belive danzo is a Senju, but he is part of the other side of village thought, that follows a difrent path then the first, ive allways wondered if 2nd that also called the forgotten kage might have been a part of this thinking, he is the one that seperated the uchia into police force.
Ever since the 2 ideals where mentioned that existed in konoha thats allways seemed like a posebility to me, the 2nd seemed to be more untrusting then the 1st in the uchia clan, since the police force making was his doing.

Btw naruto is sucker for punishment lol, he get beat up by evryone, he just had ton of dmg done to him by pain and allready a rain nin has him wounded again lol, i swear he is into the pain.

Kakashi gotta stop holding back stuff, it seems he know so much and if just spilled some beans earlier we avoid some dmg lol, i bet he holding on to frog scroll to cuz he thinks naruto not rdy, prob why havent seen him yet since jiraya died lol.

[Nicholas.Sama]

well i could give several reason but i'm just gonna go with one. we have two villlains with the sharingan, aint that horrible.



:blinkwasn't it you who agree what kishi did with danzou is horrible.

no.
danzou is far more in the grey area than that analogy you used (in another comment that i dont feel like quoting)
he had a clan killed that was planning treason, almost NONE of the uchiha were innocent. he cant be classified as a villain until he attempts to conquer the world or something along those lines.

madara and danzou both having a sharingan makes this plot more interesting.

[sadffffff]

but, I don't see how "evidence points to yes, injury" means he has the MS. All we know is that he has the sharingan, that's it.

sure thats all we know, but if its injured and in the darkness maybe he keeps it covered for that reason... or maybe he just keeps it covered for the same reason kakashi does, cant turn it off

[ameya730]

Well i already explain why in an earlier post but still why not, Danzou is a villain because while he is doing things for the good of konoha, he does them trough evil means not caring about who or what other country are affected by what he does, we could say he has shades of grey to his character but he is also power hungry. If you are familiar with watchmen, there is a character name OZymandias, He wanted to stop the potential of war that would break out which is a good intention but he did so by evil means, he killed 5 million people in new york to show the world what war would conspire too, while the intent of showing what war would conspire to is good, nonetheless he harm 5 million innocent life to do so, which is a villainous act. Danzou to some degree can be compare to that character

i agree with your point but still can an action taken for the sake of greater good be considered a evil action i mean normally evil is associated with something that is absolutely selfish and cannot help the society in anyway

classic example being medical experiments done on people which resulted in a lot of medical breakthroughs but nonetheless brought a lot of pain to a lot of people is this action evil?

while i agree that in a absolutely moralistic sense it is evil but still that i find it difficult to accept it as such

in the same way i find it difficult to accept danzou as evil cause his actions have been atleast on the face of it for the betterment of konoha

[Artuir]

I wonder if this means he's madara's brother or if he merely got an eye transplant (likely from Madara's brother, if anyone) like Kakashi did.

[bean]

sure thats all we know, but if its injured and in the darkness maybe he keeps it covered for that reason... or maybe he just keeps it covered for the same reason kakashi does, cant turn it off
exactly, the latter makes more sense...it being injured has nothing to do with MS, and it's not "in the darkness." If it were, he'd be blind, it would be unusable, and it would look like itachi's did when he died, without the tomoe (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/17/), and it clearly doesn't look anything like that.

[Saifi]

he has a bad eye n arm he stole it from obito. kishi wanted obitio to be hokage,so he put someof him in both danzou n kakashi , so either way he'd get there.

[Nicholas.Sama]

edit: what i really don't understand:
if every idiot simply can transplant a sharingan into himself... WHY THE FUCK did orochimaru fool around with getting sasukes body if he could just take someones eye..
lol

there is a MAJOR chakra set back
and apparently, an uchiha body would have lasted longer than 3 years

[nostradamus]

he has a bad eye n arm he stole it from obito. kishi wanted obitio to be hokage,so he put someof him in both danzou n kakashi , so either way he'd get there.

Where the hell did you get the idea that obito should have been hokage? And people need to get over the fact that danzo is madara. Danzo is madara's BROTHERRRR !! MAN

[Essence]

i agree with your point but still can an action taken for the sake of greater good be considered a evil action i mean normally evil is associated with something that is absolutely selfish and cannot help the society in anyway

classic example being medical experiments done on people which resulted in a lot of medical breakthroughs but nonetheless brought a lot of pain to a lot of people is this action evil?

while i agree that in a absolutely moralistic sense it is evil but still that i find it difficult to accept it as such

in the same way i find it difficult to accept danzou as evil cause his actions have been atleast on the face of it for the betterment of konoha

Well theres a boundary to being morally grey and a villain. itachi was a morally grey character, he was a good guy who had to sacrifice his family for the greater good. While Danzou has done a lot of things for the greater good of konoha, he is in no way above selfish. He is power hungry and has done a few things in his attempt to gain position of hokage like conspiring with Hanzou. PLus he admittedly said that he has connection with orochimaru. Besides that there is also hints that he has done a lot of horrible things. Danzou first and foremost is a corrupt politician, and we have that in almost every country, Theres only a point a guy can go to stay a morally grey character, i say danzou evil means has ouitweighed his good intents.

[Saifi]

Where the hell did you get the idea that obito should have been hokage? And people need to get over the fact that danzo is madara. Danzo is madara's BROTHERRRR !! MAN

no dude i am telling u , ull see :P its tobito i mean obitos eye and arm.

btw i like the "fact" that u say that its a "fact" that madara and danzou are same as well as brothers XD

[shiia96]

im feeling hatred for naruto message trying to stop hatred that lead to killing. if he win then the ninja world won't end up with everyone killing eachother in the end. noble but trying to stop hatred is foolish and trying to more specific approach on stoping the killing is better imo

What do you mean?Do you think everyone should die in the end?Why is trying to stop people from killing others so foolish?

[Saifi]

and ofc oito should be hokage he came up with the idea that people who betray frns are lower than trash,he was the original rebel against "the system"

[nostradamus]

no dude i am telling u , ull see :P its tobito i mean obitos eye and arm.

btw i like the "fact" that u say that its a "fact" that madara and danzou are same as well as brothers XD

yeah his eye kinda looks fucked up, like he took it from someone. But! it could be madara's brother just trying to obtain another shiringan. I think we just solved the mystery.

[mr.xwood]

What do you mean?Do you think everyone should die in the end?Why is trying to stop people from killing others so foolish?

I was saying stoping hatred bad stoping the killing good

[THM Nindo]

and ofc oito should be hokage he came up with the idea that people who betray frns are lower than trash,he was the original rebel against "the system"

Well, actually, White Fang came with this first! :tem

[kakashi919]

sigh everyone has sharingan now :( what made kakashi unique was taken away. why kishi WHYYYYY??? :wall

[Xiraiya]

People are seriously saying Obito is danzou? *slap* Take a good hard look in a mirror and find some common sense.

Same with the Danzou = Madara theory. We already know it wouldn't work and the age difference is too huge for him to be Izuna...

Danzou is Danzou, he stole his sharingan.


Considering he wants Kabuto to fix his eye and arm, I wonder if he got hold of Obito's Sharingan which was likely damaged in Obito's situation.

[Delbi]

Well theres a boundary to being morally grey and a villain. itachi was a morally grey character, he was a good guy who had to sacrifice his family for the greater good. While Danzou has done a lot of things for the greater good of konoha, he is in no way above selfish. He is power hungry and has done a few things in his attempt to gain position of hokage like conspiring with Hanzou. PLus he admittedly said that he has connection with orochimaru. Besides that there is also hints that he has done a lot of horrible things. Danzou first and foremost is a corrupt politician, and we have that in almost every country, Theres only a point a guy can go to stay a morally grey character, i say danzou evil means has ouitweighed his good intents.

Despite Danzou's selfish desires, we have no evidence that he's ever hurt a Konoha civilan or shinobi. (although he did kill a frog)

Danzou's priorties are too gain power, so he can control Konoha and keep it safe. But, for him to do this, he has to eliminate people that know about his bad doings.

Even Sarturobi, possibly the most virtuous character in the manga made mistakes, and did evil things. He ordered Itachi to commit the genocide of his clan. While it was neccessary, it was still an evil thing to do. Also, his failure to kill Orochimaru when he could have, not only cost him his own llife, but the life of countless other people.

Danzou in many ways, in the ideal Shinobi leader. He is cold, calculating, and is willing to do whatever is neccessary to protect his people as a whole. While he may very well be evil, his intentions are for the greater good of Konoha.

Danzou isn't about peace, he would likely kill even his allies to keep his own people safe.

Is he still morally gray though? That's debatable, just because he had dealings with Hanzou and Oro doesn't mean he is evil down to the core.

[Belisar]

wouldn't it be funny if the enemies delay danzou and naruto with kakashi and yamato arrive before them on kage summit and gaara then: "oh naruto, you are hokage now?"

:D

[ameya730]

wouldn't it be funny if the enemies delay danzou and naruto with kakashi and yamato arrive before them on kage summit and gaara then: "oh naruto, you are hokage now?"

:D

it would be especially awesome if naruto gets back his coat before he goes on to the summit that would really make gaara's eyes pop out and most people would probably remember konoha's yellow flash on seeing him that would be epic :D

[Saifi]

Well, actually, White Fang came with this first! :tem

ya i was hoping no one would catch that >.< , realised as i wrote but still he was one of the 1st dudes. hed make a good ( but weak) hokage, but then again he didnt get to shine cause of his deathy maybe he coulda gotten stronger... maybe ... possibly ..... *looses train of thought

/wonders weather this qualifies as an actual post or spam:?)

[nostradamus]

People are seriously saying Obito is danzou? *slap* Take a good hard look in a mirror and find some common sense.

Same with the Danzou = Madara theory. We already know it wouldn't work and the age difference is too huge for him to be Izuna...

Danzou is Danzou, he stole his sharingan.


Considering he wants Kabuto to fix his eye and arm, I wonder if he got hold of Obito's Sharingan which was likely damaged in Obito's situation.

Im pretty sure thats is what people were trying to originally say.

[THM Nindo]

wouldn't it be funny if the enemies delay danzou and naruto with kakashi and yamato arrive before them on kage summit and gaara then: "oh naruto, you are hokage now?"

:D

I like that idea!! :tem

But it's clearly showing that he's almost (if not already) ready to be Hokage.
Having Kakashi and Yamato offer their service as escort.

And the fact that Samui didn't want him to come with them because he was too important for the village.

As far as I know, the Jonin didn't vote yet, so Danzou is not the official Hokage.
He might be the representative, but he won't get his face on the mountain just yet ! :tem

[Delbi]

I like that idea!! :tem

But it's clearly showing that he's almost (if not already) ready to be Hokage.
Having Kakashi and Yamato offer their service as escort.

And the fact that Samui didn't want him to come with them because he was too important for the village.

As far as I know, the Jonin didn't vote yet, so Danzou is not the official Hokage.
He might be the representative, but he won't get his face on the mountain just yet ! :tem

I can't see Naruto being the next Hokage though, and I think he will admit that he isn't ready. Kakashi was slated by Shikaku, who is smarter than Shikamaru, to be the next Hokage, but Danzou had to be an annoying little shit. But would Kakashi want to be Hokage?

Naruto has had no leadership experience yet, he needs some before he is in charge of an entire village. Not to mention, his actions for bringing peace are still shaky. Him taking a beating seemed to do nothing, and Samui didn't let him come with them. I'm not sure if his talk with the Raikage is going to be any better.

[Saifi]

I like that idea!! :tem

But it's clearly showing that he's almost (if not already) ready to be Hokage.
Having Kakashi and Yamato offer their service as escort.

And the fact that Samui didn't want him to come with them because he was too important for the village.

As far as I know, the Jonin didn't vote yet, so Danzou is not the official Hokage.
He might be the representative, but he won't get his face on the mountain just yet ! :tem

i think as far as the mountain is concered naruto would prolly frs it even if he somehow got root to make him a face (cause u know oone else will)

[Nonlife]

Maybe Danzou's a bastard child of the Uchiha clan. Doubtful, since we've seen him with his left eye open and there wasn't any sign of a Sharingan. Maybe Danzo had a Sharingan eye implanted in order to terminate Itachi for-in Danzo's eyes-betraying Konoha as the only convenient "outsider" who knew the truth behind the Uchiha assasination. And who could blame Danzo for being pissed? When a dog like Uchiha Itachi bears his teeth and has the gall to show up as a warning, I'd certainly like to be the one with the last laugh.

[Essence]

Despite Danzou's selfish desires, we have no evidence that he's ever hurt a Konoha civilan or shinobi. (although he did kill a frog)

Danzou's priorties are too gain power, so he can control Konoha and keep it safe. But, for him to do this, he has to eliminate people that know about his bad doings.

Even Sarturobi, possibly the most virtuous character in the manga made mistakes, and did evil things. He ordered Itachi to commit the genocide of his clan. While it was neccessary, it was still an evil thing to do. Also, his failure to kill Orochimaru when he could have, not only cost him his own llife, but the life of countless other people.

Danzou in many ways, in the ideal Shinobi leader. He is cold, calculating, and is willing to do whatever is neccessary to protect his people as a whole. While he may very well be evil, his intentions are for the greater good of Konoha.

Danzou isn't about peace, he would likely kill even his allies to keep his own people safe.

Is he still morally gray though? That's debatable, just because he had dealings with Hanzou and Oro doesn't mean he is evil down to the core.

I never said he was evil down to the core only that he has cross the boundary of a being a morally grey character to being a villain. As for evidence of Danzou ever hurting any civilian, well sure we do not know exactly but ther have been hints of it. Like the fact that root members asked if they should kill anko, that tells you its not the first time that question has been asked to him and he most likely have done so. Danzou desire to be hokage is not a bad thing, heck naruto want to be hokage but you in no way can say that Danzou is not power hungry, the fact that he allied with Hanzou, an enemy of Konoha during the ninja war tells you that he is very power hungry, theres so far a man can go for power. As for sarutobi, well again i believe sarutobi is a morraly grey character because what he did was for a greater good just like itachi, and if we were judging danzou on the uchiha massacre alone, i would say he is a morrally grey characters but there is far more to DAnzou character and deeds.

Now earlier, i use an analogy of watchmen to compare DAnzou to the villain of watchmen. The villain of watchmen is in a way like Danzou, to a degree at least. He wanted to stop war so he kill 5 million people in new york city to show what war would conspire to if the countries were to go to war, now his intent was good but killing 5 million innocent life is clearly evil. Now Danzou wanted to be hokage so he can better protect konoha, but letting innocent life be harmed in the process is also evil, therefore the guy is a villain

[noobiablos]

I like the idea of Danzo taking Obito's other eye.

It kinda makes since too. Obito got barrel-rolled (lol) on that side, and D's sharingan looks all effed up.

Of course, this whole idea kinda goes out the window if the damage D's arm and eye are connected in the same accident/battle/whatever.

[Moon Stricken]

Despite Danzou's selfish desires, we have no evidence that he's ever hurt a Konoha civilan or shinobi. (although he did kill a frog)

Danzou's priorties are too gain power, so he can control Konoha and keep it safe. But, for him to do this, he has to eliminate people that know about his bad doings.

Even Sarturobi, possibly the most virtuous character in the manga made mistakes, and did evil things. He ordered Itachi to commit the genocide of his clan. While it was neccessary, it was still an evil thing to do. Also, his failure to kill Orochimaru when he could have, not only cost him his own llife, but the life of countless other people.

Danzou in many ways, in the ideal Shinobi leader. He is cold, calculating, and is willing to do whatever is neccessary to protect his people as a whole. While he may very well be evil, his intentions are for the greater good of Konoha.

Danzou isn't about peace, he would likely kill even his allies to keep his own people safe.

Is he still morally gray though? That's debatable, just because he had dealings with Hanzou and Oro doesn't mean he is evil down to the core.


I'm pretty sure Danzou ordered the Uchiha massacre. Not Sarutobi. Sarutobi was against the idea, and even seeked to resolve this situation diplomatically. But his voice was outweighed by the other elders. In fact, in the manga it was said that the night after Sarutobi tried to reason with the Uchiha's the massacre took place and Itachi came to Sarutobi pleading for him to keep his brother safe. This could mean that Sarutobi didn't know about the massacre until Itachi told him it was complete.

Also, i wouldn't call letting Orochimaru escape an "evil" thing. I would call it a mistake. Sarutobi obviously did not resort to violence very quickly, which is also why i believe he didn't give the order to massacre the Uchiha clan. Itachi was given that order by Danzou and the other elders, who most likely kept it secret from Sarutobi as he was still trying to negotiate peace. After 1st and 2nd Hokage tried to include the Uchiha's as part of Konoha, it would be difficult to understand why their student, Sarutobi, would want to go against what his teachers were tying to accomplish.
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I can't see Naruto being the next Hokage though, and I think he will admit that he isn't ready. Kakashi was slated by Shikaku, who is smarter than Shikamaru, to be the next Hokage, but Danzou had to be an annoying little shit. But would Kakashi want to be Hokage?

Naruto has had no leadership experience yet, he needs some before he is in charge of an entire village. Not to mention, his actions for bringing peace are still shaky. Him taking a beating seemed to do nothing, and Samui didn't let him come with them. I'm not sure if his talk with the Raikage is going to be any better.

I can't either. Naruto is way to young to be hokage yet. People in the village respect his power and what he as done, but he hasn't shown any leadership yet that would warrant him being hokage. The villagers respect his power and abilities, but his judgments are still questionable.

[shiia96]

This is sort of an out of the blue kind of theory but I think that if danzou could be izuna then why would madara want to kill his brother?I think its because izuna is the last uchiha who knows the real truth about the clan and madara.After all he did lie to sasuke when he told him countless times he was telling the truth.So madara probably wants his brother dead so he can't spill the beans to anyone. Unless he already has that is.

[Bleachigo]

My My My....I Rememberd A Posted SOmething About Danzo Having Sharingan Not To Long Ago...And SOme Guy Got All Pissy At Me lol...
Now We Find out He Has Sharingan...But Anyway...I Hate When A Chapter Is Mostly Talking :(

[Xiraiya]

My My My....I Rememberd A Posted SOmething About Danzo Having Sharingan Not To Long Ago...And SOme Guy Got All Pissy At Me lol...
Now We Find out He Has Sharingan...But Anyway...I Hate When A Chapter Is Mostly Talking :(

Danzou with sharingan is like Hinata confessing her love, you knew it'd happen one day but hoped it never would.

[RogueNin]

Kakashi: Left eye-Sharingan, Right eye-Normal
Tobi: Left eye- Unknown, Right eye- Sharingan
Danzou: Left eye- Normal, Right eye-Sharingan

I say if Tobi/Madara had a normal left eye he would had use that eye for ordinary vision instead of his sharingan, just like Kakashi does. So probably that eyesocket is empty(unless we are in for a big surprise with left eye being byakugan or rinnegan- HOPE NOT). This empowers the Obito theory. Now how that coward Danzou got a sharingan, maybe after he lost to the 3rd he found some Uchiha's eye somewhere, the transplant is not a difficult procedure.

but im really against the Danzou=Madara theory, and I really believe it doesnt hold.

Lets see if he has attained MS like Kakashi did.

[Delbi]

I never said he was evil down to the core only that he has cross the boundary of a being a morally grey character to being a villain. As for evidence of Danzou ever hurting any civilian, well sure we do not know exactly but ther have been hints of it. Like the fact that root members asked if they should kill anko, that tells you its not the first time that question has been asked to him and he most likely have done so. Danzou desire to be hokage is not a bad thing, heck naruto want to be hokage but you in no way can say that Danzou is not power hungry, the fact that he allied with Hanzou, an enemy of Konoha during the ninja war tells you that he is very power hungry, theres so far a man can go for power. As for sarutobi, well again i believe sarutobi is a morraly grey character because what he did was for a greater good just like itachi, and if we were judging danzou on the uchiha massacre alone, i would say he is a morrally grey characters but there is far more to DAnzou character and deeds.

Now earlier, i use an analogy of watchmen to compare DAnzou to the villain of watchmen. The villain of watchmen is in a way like Danzou, to a degree at least. He wanted to stop war so he kill 5 million people in new york city to show what war would conspire to if the countries were to go to war, now his intent was good but killing 5 million innocent life is clearly evil. Now Danzou wanted to be hokage so he can better protect konoha, but letting innocent life be harmed in the process is also evil, therefore the guy is a villain

Eh, Danzou might not be morally gray, but I wouldn't call him a villian yet.

A villian is someone you can kill and not considered to be evil yourself by your peers. Naruto and his allies just can't go and kill Danzou, yet.

Nothing Danzou has done makes him a villian, he is an antagonist, as of right now. He let Konoha get beat up by Pain, but what is he supposed to do, he's an elder. I didn't see either of the other elders lift a finger to help out. And if I'm not mistaken, Root isn't even supposed to exist, so they shouldn't have been able doing anything anyway.

I don't think Danzou is going to be helping Akatsuki in any way, and if he wants to destroy them, then he can't be a villian since they are the primary villians at the moment.

As much as Naruto and company might not like Danzou and what he's done, they may have to work with him. Kakashi might tell Naruto, "You have to remeber, the enemy of my enemy, is my friend." And it's easy with Danzou, he's part of Konoha anyway.

[Xiraiya]

Kakashi: Left eye-Sharingan, Right eye-Normal
Tobi: Left eye- Unknown, Right eye- Sharingan
Danzou: Left eye- Normal, Right eye-Sharingan

I say if Tobi/Madara had a normal left eye he would had use that eye for ordinary vision instead of his sharingan, just like Kakashi does. So probably that eyesocket is empty(unless we are in for a big surprise with left eye being byakugan or rinnegan- HOPE NOT). This empowers the Obito theory. Now how that coward Danzou got a sharingan, maybe after he lost to the 3rd he found some Uchiha's eye somewhere, the transplant is not a difficult procedure.

but im really against the Danzou=Madara theory, and I really believe it doesnt hold.

Lets see if he has attained MS like Kakashi did.

Which Obito theory? Anyone being Obito already fails as he would be 30 today.

We know Danzou is 76 and Madara is nearly 100, the part of Tobi's face we saw says Tobi is REALLY old which = Madara.

Danzou commented about a dulled body suggesting he hasn't seen combat in a long time.

Madara has had quite a few "scuffles" so... there goes that. Though Danzou's arm already kill off the idea of him being Madara last week.

[Ryodraco]

sigh everyone has sharingan now :( what made kakashi unique was taken away. why kishi WHYYYYY??? :wall
At most Danzo would make TWO people outside the Uchiha clan who have sharingan. I'd hardly call that "EVERYONE.":eyeroll

[Rotten The Wizard]

I dont like this development one bit. Seems like Kishi is mooching off his old ideas. I cant possibly see the reasoning behind giving that guy a sharingan eye.
Kishimoto Lost his Mojo

[Delbi]

I'm pretty sure Danzou ordered the Uchiha massacre. Not Sarutobi. Sarutobi was against the idea, and even seeked to resolve this situation diplomatically. But his voice was outweighed by the other elders. In fact, in the manga it was said that the night after Sarutobi tried to reason with the Uchiha's the massacre took place and Itachi came to Sarutobi pleading for him to keep his brother safe. This could mean that Sarutobi didn't know about the massacre until Itachi told him it was complete.

Also, i wouldn't call letting Orochimaru escape an "evil" thing. I would call it a mistake. Sarutobi obviously did not resort to violence very quickly, which is also why i believe he didn't give the order to massacre the Uchiha clan. Itachi was given that order by Danzou and the other elders, who most likely kept it secret from Sarutobi as he was still trying to negotiate peace. After 1st and 2nd Hokage tried to include the Uchiha's as part of Konoha, it would be difficult to understand why their student, Sarutobi, would want to go against what his teachers were tying to accomplish.
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Itachi was in ANBU, not Root as far as we know. ANBU take their orders directly from the Hokage, Itachi would of had no reason to take orders from Danzou or anyone else. So Sarturobi had to give the order for the Uchiha clan to be killed.

I mean, the elders could have held nothing over Itachi's head to make him want to kill his clan against his will. He killed them because Sarturobi told him too, and because he knew it was neccessary. Even if Danzou came up with the idea, Sarturobi had to ok it.



I can't either. Naruto is way to young to be hokage yet. People in the village respect his power and what he as done, but he hasn't shown any leadership yet that would warrant him being hokage. The villagers respect his power and abilities, but his judgments are still questionable.

I agree with this 100%. Naruto hasn't shown any leadership qualities thus far. And his teamwork skills are still a bit lacking, the only Konoha Ninja that he really works well with is Kakashi, Naruto is more of a solo guy.

[aNiMe-BaKa]

Danzou with the sharingan?:eek Im shocked!:xp not.

but this looks like its gonna be a good chapter, hopefully the one after will explain all this

[Delbi]

I dont like this development one bit. Seems like Kishi is mooching off his old ideas. I cant possibly see the reasoning behind giving that guy a sharingan eye.
Kishimoto Lost his Mojo

Without knowing how or why Danzou got his Sharigan, I think it's too early to tell yet. If Danzou is going to be a villian, he needed something to make him strong. He can't just be an evil politician with a bunch of fodder underlings. He's going to fight one of the main characters eventually, my guess is its going to be Kakashi.

[Ryodraco]

He let Konoha get beat up by Pain, but what is he supposed to do, he's an elder. I didn't see either of the other elders lift a finger to help out. And if I'm not mistaken, Root isn't even supposed to exist, so they shouldn't have been able doing anything anyway.
The elders didn't order a whole division of ANBU to not help anyone in Konoha.

Not to mention that being secret wouldn't stop them from helping fight the enemy any more than it would any other ANBU member.

[shiia96]

It could also be that danzou stole eyes of another uchiha somehow.

[Rotten The Wizard]

Without knowing how or why Danzou got his Sharigan, I think it's too early to tell yet. If Danzou is going to be a villian, he needed something to make him strong. He can't just be an evil politician with a bunch of fodder underlings. He's going to fight one of the main characters eventually, my guess is its going to be Kakashi.

the reason is irrelevant

the sharingan to make him strong? Seriously. 2 eyes> 1, original> copy.

Again, I see no reason why kishi should've done this. Giving him the Byakugan would make more sense that this.

Uncreative recycling of ideas, Im unimpressed

[Delbi]

The elders didn't order a whole division of ANBU to not help anyone in Konoha.

Not to mention that being secret wouldn't stop them from helping fight the enemy any more than it would any other ANBU member.

There was only like a dozen ninja under his command as far as I remeber. Yes they could have helped, but they aren't even supposed to exist. These random ANBU showing up could of had people questioning things, and in the long run, I'm not to sure there was much they could have done anyway.

Not a smart move on his part, but I wouldn't call it evil or anything.

[Ryodraco]

Itachi was in ANBU, not Root as far as we know. ANBU take their orders directly from the Hokage, Itachi would of had no reason to take orders from Danzou or anyone else. So Sarturobi had to give the order for the Uchiha clan to be killed.

I mean, the elders could have held nothing over Itachi's head to make him want to kill his clan against his will. He killed them because Sarturobi told him too, and because he knew it was neccessary. Even if Danzou came up with the idea, Sarturobi had to ok it.
We don't know this though. What we are told is that Sarutobi was against the massacre and tried to prevent it. We are also told that Danzo and the elders were for it and pressured Itachi. Furthermore we are told how Itachi was so deeply psychologically affected by being exposed to war as a very young child that he came to want to prevent it at any cost.

All of this put together as well as the time it must have taken for Itachi to find Madara and make a deal with him (not to mention the killing he did to gain MS would have been preparation for the massacre) tells me that Itachi was set on killing off his clan to prevent potential war a good while before the day it happened.

[Delbi]

the reason is irrelevant

the sharingan to make him strong? Seriously. 2 eyes> 1, original> copy.

Again, I see no reason why kishi should've done this. Giving him the Byakugan would make more sense that this.

Uncreative recycling of ideas, Im unimpressed

If he has the MS and new MS techniques it could introduce a lot of new plot lines. Not to mention him having a Sharigan can give us more info about the Uchiha clan and what went on with them.

The Uchiha clan plays a big role in this manga, yet there are a lot of mysteries about them that exist.

[Essence]

Eh, Danzou might not be morally gray, but I wouldn't call him a villian yet.

A villian is someone you can kill and not considered to be evil yourself by your peers. Naruto and his allies just can't go and kill Danzou, yet.

Nothing Danzou has done makes him a villian, he is an antagonist, as of right now. He let Konoha get beat up by Pain, but what is he supposed to do, he's an elder. I didn't see either of the other elders lift a finger to help out. And if I'm not mistaken, Root isn't even supposed to exist, so they shouldn't have been able doing anything anyway.

I don't think Danzou is going to be helping Akatsuki in any way, and if he wants to destroy them, then he can't be a villian since they are the primary villians at the moment.

As much as Naruto and company might not like Danzou and what he's done, they may have to work with him. Kakashi might tell Naruto, "You have to remeber, the enemy of my enemy, is my friend." And it's easy with Danzou, he's part of Konoha anyway.

What you just call a villain in your post is an example of a classical villain but however villains does not exist in a simple form, in greater literature we have villains that are oblivious to the fact that they are villain and many types of villain that work from different perspective. Just bhecause he's on konoha side doesn't make him immune to the tittle of a villain. I will use the watchmen analogy again , the villain of that story is also one of the superheroes in the story but he gave up and felt going at things from a much greater perspective, now he kill 5 million people and still he didn't consider himself a villain, while his former allies consider him one, now that fall to perspective. While some people wont see Danzou as a villain, i Do, then again that's perspective but however i say Danzou is in no way a morally gray character. Now the fact we could look at Danzou character from many different perspective was what that made him differnt from other typical Shonen characters, well that was until Kishi gave Danzou the Sharingan....

[Ryodraco]

the reason is irrelevant

the sharingan to make him strong? Seriously. 2 eyes> 1, original> copy.
I think Kakashi proves this statement wrong. Kakashi couldn't do many of the things he does if he didn't have a sharingan.

[Rikudou King]

I'm pretty sure Danzou ordered the Uchiha massacre. Not Sarutobi. Sarutobi was against the idea, and even seeked to resolve this situation diplomatically. But his voice was outweighed by the other elders. In fact, in the manga it was said that the night after Sarutobi tried to reason with the Uchiha's the massacre took place and Itachi came to Sarutobi pleading for him to keep his brother safe. This could mean that Sarutobi didn't know about the massacre until Itachi told him it was complete.

Also, i wouldn't call letting Orochimaru escape an "evil" thing. I would call it a mistake. Sarutobi obviously did not resort to violence very quickly, which is also why i believe he didn't give the order to massacre the Uchiha clan. Itachi was given that order by Danzou and the other elders, who most likely kept it secret from Sarutobi as he was still trying to negotiate peace. After 1st and 2nd Hokage tried to include the Uchiha's as part of Konoha, it would be difficult to understand why their student, Sarutobi, would want to go against what his teachers were tying to accomplish. Danzo couldn't order the massacre. It was stated in the manga that Danzo and the two Elders wore Sabutori down until he agreed with them, Meaning that either Danzo couldn't do it without the Hokage's approval or that he didn't want to.

Itachi came to Sabutori to protect Sasuke because his mission was to kill all the Uchihas. Most likely Itachi figured that Danzo or the Elders would send in Anbu after him to make sure they were all dead, And they would attempt to finish Sasuke off. So he appeal to the Hokage in order to keep Danzo and the Elders at bay.

Unfortunately, Kishi has made it evident that Danzo is a villain because he chooses actual military actions instead of relying on "The Power of Friendship". The only actions that Danzo has done that's questionable is hiding during Pain's Invasion and wanting Kabuto's help. Other then that, His other actions make sense.

[ameya730]

the reason is irrelevant

the sharingan to make him strong? Seriously. 2 eyes> 1, original> copy.

Again, I see no reason why kishi should've done this. Giving him the Byakugan would make more sense that this.

Uncreative recycling of ideas, Im unimpressed

byakugan would have been even more useless on him cause he woud not know the taijutsu's of the hyuga clan which used along with the byakugan make it powerful on it own its just a glorified cctv

while its true that it is recycling of ideas i am sure people would be more pissed off if kishi introduced another doujutsu

also considering the power hungry nature of danzou sharingan fits him perfectly

[Delbi]

We don't know this though. What we are told is that Sarutobi was against the massacre and tried to prevent it. We are also told that Danzo and the elders were for it and pressured Itachi. Furthermore we are told how Itachi was so deeply psychologically affected by being exposed to war as a very young child that he came to want to prevent it at any cost.

All of this put together as well as the time it must have taken for Itachi to find Madara and make a deal with him (not to mention the killing he did to gain MS would have been preparation for the massacre) tells me that Itachi was set on killing off his clan to prevent potential war a good while before the day it happened.

I was debating whether or not Sarturobi ordered it though. Itachi would have went through with it no matter what if what we were told about him is true.

And I'm still not sure how Itachi found Madara and what not. I think it was Madara who found Itachi. Whatever plans Madara has for Sasuke, I think he orginally had for Itachi. Itachi either proved to be too powerful for Madara to control, or he realized Sasuke could surpass Itachi. I mean, why would Itachi search for someone thought to be dead for over 50 years?

My main point was though, if Itachi was ordered to do it, it had to be Sarturobi who ordered him, because it is the Hokage who orders ANBU, not the elders.

[Ryodraco]

The only actions that Danzo has done that's questionable is hiding during Pain's Invasion and wanting Kabuto's help. Other then that, His other actions make sense.
Including helping Hanzo?

Going behind Tsunade's back?

Killing an allied toad?

Those may be argued to not be necessarily evil but they are questionable.

[Rotten The Wizard]

If he has the MS and new MS techniques it could introduce a lot of new plot lines. Not to mention him having a Sharigan can give us more info about the Uchiha clan and what went on with them.

The Uchiha clan plays a big role in this manga, yet there are a lot of mysteries about them that exist.
Like what? Madara's story filled in all the gaps in the Uchiha history. Anything else is irrelevant.

Even if he does have Ms (which I highly doubt) He would still fall hard against sasuke.

This is redundant


I think Kakashi proves this statement wrong. Kakashi couldn't do many of the things he does if he didn't have a sharingan.

If anything Kakashi Justifies this statement. He pissed his pants when he faced a REAL uchiha. Kakashi couldnt take Itachi no matter what, that's not a secret.

Naruto Doesnt have the sharingan and Naruto> 99% of the ninja introduced thus far.



Kishimoto lost his mojo

[Saint Markus]

seriously, why is everyone surprised danzou has sharingan???

it's obvious who he really is and what he really is up to, you can see where this is going miles away man.

naruto got his face smashed for reals, lol.

[God]

Long time no see peeps. God is back...don't worry lol.

Any who, am i the only one tired of the sharingan? I think i speak to a crowd when i say it has lost its luster. And I have finally excepted the fact that Sasuke's purpose is useless now. IMO he's only in this manga to keep an audience now. Everyone either wants to get rid of him or use him. And there seems to be to many mutual things going on with Danzo and Madara and I have a hunch that Orochimaru is somehow behind the fact that Madara hasnt croaked yet

[Ryodraco]

If anything Kakashi Justifies this statement. He pissed his pants when he faced a REAL uchiha. Kakashi couldnt take Itachi no matter what, that's not a secret.
And your point is? Itachi himself praised Kakashi for how far he had taken it, not to mention in part 2 he was shocked that Kakashi had managed to somehow gain MS.


Kishimoto lost his mojo
It amazes me how you consider this a foregone conclusion despite not knowing any real details. But then your sig makes it hard to not see you as biased.

Danzo has had his hand in just about every aspect of the story and has continually been scraping along grabbing every bit of advantage and power he could to become hokage. That he would take an opportunity to get a sharingan is perfectly reasonable.

[Rikudou King]

Including helping Hanzo?

Going behind Tsunade's back?

Killing an allied toad?

Those may be argued to not be necessarily evil but they are questionable. His dealing with Hanzou could very well have been legit. We have no evidence that it was anything illegal. Ending the fighting and getting Amegakure as an ally would look good for anyone wanting to be Hokage.

Danzo working behind Tsunade's back was fine because she was making stupid decisions based on her feelings not on what was good for the village. She also refused to listen to the Elders, Who exist to make sure the Hokage does what good for the village. Just because in the end her decision prove right doesn't stop it from being stupid.

As for killing the Frog, That was a necessary evil. Danzo was doing a rational thing. Why would he believe that i less then a week, Naruto would go from being weaker then Sai to stronger then Minato? I don't fault him for trusting in actual evidence instead of blind faith.

[Marushio]

So... is he madara? Is madara real? Is he only using madara´s name?

[Ryodraco]

His dealing with Hanzou could very well have been legit. We have no evidence that it was anything illegal. Ending the fighting and getting Amegakure as an ally would look good for anyone wanting to be Hokage.

Danzo working behind Tsunade's back was fine because she was making stupid decisions based on her feelings not on what was good for the village. She also refused to listen to the Elders, Who exist to make sure the Hokage does what good for the village. Just because in the end her decision prove right doesn't stop it from being stupid.

As for killing the Frog, That was a necessary evil. Danzo was doing a rational thing. Why would he believe that i less then a week, Naruto would go from being weaker then Sai to stronger then Minato? I don't fault him for trusting in actual evidence instead of blind faith.
Your arguments show why I said they could be argued as necessary, but that doesn't mean they weren't questionable. Making a alliance with another country to further one's own interest certainly seems rather subversive (i.e. we are told Danzo allied with Hanzo, nothing about the hokage having anything to do with it).

And honestly I don't see how Sai was ever stronger than Naruto, let alone directly before the toad training. Honestly we haven't seen much from him combat wise to even tell.

[Tengou]

Kishi really likes to play with these things a lot, doesn't he? Too bad that almost every major reveal somehow involves the Sharingan. One of the three most exclusive doujutsu my butt. Everybody and their dog has one these days. With his right side up in tatters the whole time, I even expected him to be Obito for a while, before reminding myself that that would be a proposterous idea, considering his age. Maybe he harvested Obito's right eye, though; that would make a rather interesting plothook for later on, since both he and Kakashi are going to be running mates for the next official election, and both have one sharingan from (possibly) the same source person. Still, Danzou, Madara... They can't be one and the same, because Kishi is trying to use the series' context in order to make that seem way too obvious.

On a side note, whoa, Naruto's bandages! Didn't think Karui had it in her to beat him so bad he turned out looking like half a mummy.

[jdw]

The Uchiha clan plays a big role in this manga,

That is the most impressive understatement. The manga is about the Uchiha clan lol :)

It should be called "Sharingan" or "The mighty Uchiha"

[Rikudou King]

Your arguments show why I said they could be argued as necessary, but that doesn't mean they weren't questionable. Making a alliance with another country to further one's own interest certainly seems rather subversive (i.e. we are told Danzo allied with Hanzo, nothing about the hokage having anything to do with it).

And honestly I don't see how Sai was ever stronger than Naruto, let alone directly before the toad training. Honestly we haven't seen much from him combat wise to even tell. Getting Ame as an ally and ending the war would have help show even more that Danzo has what it took to be Hokage. Also, It was said that Sai was as strong or stronger. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter, All Danzo knew was that Naruto wasn't strong enough to take Nagato a week ago.

[Essence]

That is the most impressive understatement. The manga is about the Uchiha clan lol :)

It should be called "Sharingan" or "The might Uchiha"

Or The mighty Uchiha starring Naruto

[HPTR Fangirl]

The greatest surprise I get on my birthday is that Danzou has the Sharingan, and to show off his skills, the assasin is going to be a fodder. Just peachy. :notrust

On the other hand, Naruto really got beat up badly by Karui. I feel sorry for him.

[Essence]

The greatest surprise I get on my birthday is that Danzou has the Sharingan, and to show off his skills, the assasin is going to be a fodder. Just peachy. :notrust

On the other hand, Naruto really got beat up badly by Karui. I feel sorry for him.

Well happy birthday:tem

[tharkun]

I do hope that the origin of Danzo's sharingan is revealed, if Danzo is not an Uchiha. Maybe a few chapters of Danzo Gaiden, a background story like Kakashi's?