Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[Artuir]

I don;t know if anybody has mentioned this already but it seems to me that this is important.
Danzo wants his arm and eye back thats for sure i wonder what will happen. Will orochimaru come back via danzo?, could that be a possibility as soon as he finds Kabuto?. And also, what if Kabuto was part of root all this time and was the mediator between Danzo and Oro?

If orochimaru came back through Danzou, imagine what kind of a position that would put naruto in. His absolute worst enemy that has taken his most loved position in the village.

What a freakin' mind twister that would be.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

The greatest surprise I get on my birthday is that Danzou has the Sharingan, and to show off his skills, the assasin is going to be a fodder. Just peachy. :notrust

On the other hand, Naruto really got beat up badly by Karui. I feel sorry for him.

Yeah, Kishi kinda made her one of the most hated characters in the manga with that move. It would only be right that someone gives her an epic ass beating. Thinking about it now, I can't name someone in the manga that I hate more.

[Rikudou King]

Danzo will reveal his past once he thinks he's defeated Sasuke or Naruto, Then they'll get their second wind and continue fighting.

[Essence]

Yeah, Kishi kinda made her one of the most hated characters in the manga with that move. It would only be right that someone gives her an epic ass beating. Thinking about it now, I can't name someone in the manga that I hate more.

I cant really understand why someone would hate her, naruto was the one who suggest she should beat him up.

[Toby_Temple]

WTF!!! Danzou has sharingan!?
Is he Tobi!?
WHAT DA!!!

[nat]

That is the most impressive understatement. The manga is about the Uchiha clan lol :)

It should be called "Sharingan" or "The mighty Uchiha"


C'mon Duane, they do make the story interesting. :D
If kishi only knew how to balance his arcs we wouldn't have uchi-overkill-ha but awesome naruto and worthy enemies.

But now we have worthy uchihas and less than awesome naru-chan.
Ps I do like post-disaster-arc naruto. He's cool :)

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

I cant really understand why someone would hate her, naruto was the one who suggest she should beat him up.

Because she's a bitch. I didn't like her before she started beating him up. She's too arrogant, and she really has no reason to be.

[jdw]

C'mon Duane, they do make the story interesting. :D
If kishi only knew how to balance his arcs we wouldn't have uchi-overkill-ha but awesome naruto and worthy enemies.

But now we have worthy uchihas and less than awesome naru-chan.
Ps I do like post-disaster-arc naruto. He's cool :)

The thing is, I generally like the idea of the uchiha clan, and a few members, but to keep springing them out like jack-in-the-box is annoying. It is like "where's waldo" but we are looking for teh sharinganz instead of the little douchnozzle in the red and white shirt :(

As for post disaster Naruto, I love him too except for the stationary sparring partner routine :)

[Sentou Ryoku]

More Sharingan users? Damn....Kishimoto could have at least gotten rid of Kakashi if he's gonna pull this crap. Double groan if he's the holder of Tobi's right-eye...

[draconian]

This will be my first post. I just want to share my insights.

I guess Danzo's eye was Madara's eye. Remember that Tobi (Madara with Mask) has only one hole in his mask, which could suggest that Tobi only has one eye at the very moment. And also Danzo, being one of the major antagonists and a sharingan, should have a stronger eye than kakashi for that purpose ( i can't imagine kakashi having a stronger sharingan than danzo, if that's the case, Beat him KAKASHI ). =)

Also, a wild guess, Madara indeed has died during his fight with the First and was half resurrected or something like that. Remember what he said to that plant guy akatsuki, he said that nagato betrayed him because that Rinne Tensei (the technique that ressurected the dead people of konoha) is supposed to be for him.

And also, having the story revolve around sharingan is not bad since the sharingan is meant to control the beasts. And is a major fallback for naruto.

My two cents.

[nat]

@ JD
that was pain and stamina training. Very few people understood naru's motives.
He wants to build resistance to pain.

Pein did really influence him.

[Essence]

Because she's a bitch. I didn't like her before she started beating him up. She's too arrogant, and she really has no reason to be.

Well i pick a chick who's arrogant and can whip almost every kunoichi in konoha instead of that crying mess called Sakura.

[jdw]

Because she's a bitch. I didn't like her before she started beating him up. She's too arrogant, and she really has no reason to be.

She is just like Naruto from part I. She will never give up and she will try to beat anyone up. I remember Naruto's most insanely arrogant moment ever in the history of the world: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/15/
I admit, it was kinda badass, but he would have been killed in 1 second. LOL what was he thinking!

[elitefox]

If anything Kakashi Justifies this statement. He pissed his pants when he faced a REAL uchiha. Kakashi couldnt take Itachi no matter what, that's not a secret.

Naruto Doesnt have the sharingan and Naruto> 99% of the ninja introduced thus far.

Remember Itachi is god-like, if not for his illness, he might be par with so-called madara.

kakashi can defeat sasuke which is a real uchiha

[yellowblue]

I wonder if Danzou could also have MS. It could be one of the eyes gathered during the Uchiha massacre. What's worse is they could have experimented on some captured Uchiha and started merging sharingan to replicate MS or even EMS.

Kakashi's existence is shouting that it is possible. Danzou is really smart to eliminate the Uchiha clan and implant the same power to himself. What would be fun is Oro taking over Danzou while he attempts to heal himself using Kabuto/Anko.

[Prince Sasuke]

Remember Itachi is god-like, if not for his illness, he might be par with so-called madara.

kakashi can defeat sasuke which is a real uchiha

Kakashi has a very low chance of being able to defeating Sasuke.

[Rikudou King]

Because she's a bitch. I didn't like her before she started beating him up. She's too arrogant, and she really has no reason to be. Perhaps Naruto shouldn't be revealing he has sympathy for the enemy.

[elitefox]

Just a 2cent

Maybe the one who killed itachi's bestfriend is danzo?

[DEATHBOTT]

Naruto has the sharingan hes hiding it under his bandages...
seriously now is anyone else anoyed with the root henchmens designs. All the other kages had cool looking or unique escorts but there just lame.

[elitefox]

Kakashi has a very low chance of being able to defeating Sasuke.

sending sasuke to another dimension will be good, though I doubt kakashi will do that to sasuke even sasuke will attack the village. that will be kakashi's weakness, cannot kill sasuke;)

[Essence]

Kakashi has a very low chance of being able to defeating Sasuke.

Well while i like Sasuke, You should know that Kakashi is well among the most powerful fighters in konoha, hhe bested sasuke in terms of ninjustu and taijutsu plus he now know how to fight against tsukyomi so i say Kakashi would most likely win.

[jdw]

that will be kakashi's weakness, cannot kill sasuke;)

I highly doubt Kakashi suffers from this illness. It would be one of the most stunning moments in the manga IMO, if Kakashi needed to kill Sasuke to save the village or something and did not. I could see Kakashi sacrificing his own life if they were just fighting and he did not want to kill Sasuke, but if he needed to he would. I do think Sasuke would probably win 6/10 fights tho

[mr.xwood]

So about kosuke the toad danzo first kill as of now alive or dead not sure if alive most likely did not see the killer maybe he think it was pain but if pa and ma talk to naruto about it he will remember the flashback of pain kills realize it was root because it will take somebody like the anbu pull off assassinaton like that and they work for hokage so they are clear so it leaves root so why is danzo not worry about this think he know that toad is alive

[elitefox]

Kakashi has a very low chance of being able to defeating Sasuke.

Maybe a little rephrase of statement:
Sasuke has a chance of being able to defeat Kakashi

[Rikudou King]

Maybe the one who killed itachi's bestfriend is danzo? The Itachi couldn't have gotten his MS.

[Moon Stricken]

Itachi was in ANBU, not Root as far as we know. ANBU take their orders directly from the Hokage, Itachi would of had no reason to take orders from Danzou or anyone else. So Sarturobi had to give the order for the Uchiha clan to be killed.

I mean, the elders could have held nothing over Itachi's head to make him want to kill his clan against his will. He killed them because Sarturobi told him too, and because he knew it was neccessary. Even if Danzou came up with the idea, Sarturobi had to ok it.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/15/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/16/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/17/

Itachi does have to take orders from Danzou to some extent. He is one of the Konoha higher ups. Itachi is following the chain of command. The Konoha Elders were the ones who ordered the massacre and they could just as easily hid the order from Sarutobi as a method of subterfuge. The Elders were not supportive of Sarutobi's diplomatic actions against the Uchiha clan, and were more supportive of Danzou's militant stance. The Elders hold a considerable amount of power in Konoha. Think of it like the United States. Sarutobi was president and the Elders were congress. Only congress can declare war, and in this case the elders were the ones who declared the Uchiha Massacre. And in order to avoid conflict with Sarutobi they hid it from him.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/03/

Itachi entered ANBU at the request of his father. Which means Itachi was accepting orders from some else before entering ANBU.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/05/

The Elders played to Itachi's weakness. Even back then someone as strong as Itachi was being manipulated by Danzou.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/09/

Sarutobi, did not want the massacre to happen. So there is no reason to believe he would give the order. Danzou and the Elders undermined Sarutobi's authority and set forth a plan to wipe out the Uchiha clan because they thought Sarutobi was too lenient and pacifist.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/13/

Also, Itachi begged for Sarutobi to protect Sasuke from "Danzou and the Elders." Had Sarutobi given the order to massacre the Uchiha clan, why would he be so prone to protecting an Uchiha which would go against his own order?

So in short, Danzou and the Elders, not Sarutobi were responsible for the Massacre. Had Sarutobi been involved maybe diplomatic negotiations could have been reached. For instance, the Uchiha's could have left Konoha and started a village of their own. Or something else.

[elitefox]

The Itachi couldn't have gotten his MS.

Sasuke didn't kill itachi

Kakashi, I don't think either

[Gumbertschovskinov]

Danzou showing his Sharingan raises the question: Why now?
He isnt aware of the strength of those who are attacking him and this act of just pulling away his bandages seems like a common act to him.

Isn't that rather stupid? If anyone except root would find out about that sharingan of his Danzou looses the trust of the Jounin of Konoha an thus would not be elected as Hokage.

[Xiraiya]

Sasuke didn't kill itachi

Kakashi, I don't think either


No but Itachi's death and realizing the truth was enough to awaken Sasuke's MS.

Itachi said himself he killed his best friend.



I would laugh if Danzou stole Sasuke's Fathers Sharingan.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

She is just like Naruto from part I. She will never give up and she will try to beat anyone up. I remember Naruto's most insanely arrogant moment ever in the history of the world: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/15/
I admit, it was kinda badass, but he would have been killed in 1 second. LOL what was he thinking!

I didn't like Naruto's rash behavior in Part I. He always looked like a clown because he never thought things through. Not to mention the fact that Naruto was a kid. That's why everybody was waiting on Naruto to grown up. Speaking about doing something that you're too weak to do isn't badass, it's stupid. Naruto dying for overestimating himself wouldn't be too badass. There is nothing badass about empty threats. If she talks about killing Sasuke, maybe Kishi should put her up against him. I don't like people that can't back up what they say. Of course, that's just a personal opinion I have. If you like her then that's fine, but I don't. I don't consider her anything like Naruto and I hope she dies soon.;)

[Xiraiya]

Danzou showing his Sharingan raises the question: Why now?
He isnt aware of the strength of those who are attacking him and this act of just pulling away his bandages seems like a common act to him.


It seems he is finally in a position to fight, even if his sharingan is damaged it must still be useful somehow.

[vintagemistakes]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Danzous sharingan has a form of MS...

Even amongst the Uchiha, it seems that Sasuke has a really special sharingan... so a base level sharingan wouldn't be strong enough to deal with Sasukes. And since those two seem to be on a collision course - he would need something stronger to stand up to Sasukes sharingan...

[jdw]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Danzous sharingan has a form of MS...

Even amongst the Uchiha, it seems that Sasuke has a really special sharingan... so a base level sharingan wouldn't be strong enough to deal with Sasukes. And since those two seem to be on a collision course - he would need something stronger to stand up to Sasukes sharingan...

I agree. Giving him a neutered sharingan would be meaningless at this stage. Madara wants Danzou dead too badly for him to have a weak sharingan. Danzou has to have some special ability that Madara cannot contend with, IMO.

[Xiraiya]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Danzous sharingan has a form of MS...

Even amongst the Uchiha, it seems that Sasuke has a really special sharingan... so a base level sharingan wouldn't be strong enough to deal with Sasukes. And since those two seem to be on a collision course - he would need something stronger to stand up to Sasukes sharingan...

As someone who was supposedly on par with Sandaime, I think Danzou only has normal sharingan.

I'd like to see more skill than Doujutsu in Danzou.

[jdw]

I didn't like Naruto's rash behavior in Part I. He always looked like a clown because he never thought things through. Not to mention the fact that Naruto was a kid. That's why everybody was waiting on Naruto to grown up. Speaking about doing something that you're too weak to do isn't badass, it's stupid. Naruto dying for overestimating himself wouldn't be too badass. There is nothing badass about empty threats. If she talks about killing Sasuke, maybe Kishi should put her up against him. I don't like people that can't back up what they say. Of course, that's just a personal opinion I have. If you like her then that's fine, but I don't. I don't consider her anything like Naruto and I hope she dies soon.;)

You are right. I meant the drawing was badass. running out to die isn't badass unless you are trying to save someone else :p

I like Karui a little bit. I think she has balls that Konoha kunoichi lack. Maybe she cannot back it up, but she did look somewhat skillful operating with Omoi.

[redred]

I agree. Giving him a neutered sharingan would be meaningless at this stage. Madara wants Danzou dead too badly for him to have a weak sharingan. Danzou has to have some special ability that Madara cannot contend with, IMO.

what i find strange is that the villains have the standard 3tome sharingan
and if theyre suppoused to be threatning, they HAVE to have some crazy stuff up their sleeves

[God]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Danzous sharingan has a form of MS...

Even amongst the Uchiha, it seems that Sasuke has a really special sharingan... so a base level sharingan wouldn't be strong enough to deal with Sasukes. And since those two seem to be on a collision course - he would need something stronger to stand up to Sasukes sharingan...

Yea your not going too far out on that limb by yourself. I'm sure if Danzo has the sharingan he is aware of the MS. And the idea of him having MS isnt too far fetched

[roninmedia]

SHARINGAN is CARING.

[Gumbertschovskinov]

It seems he is finally in a position to fight, even if his sharingan is damaged it must still be useful somehow.

Without question it should be useful but if he is confident enough to take on those opponents alone maybe the sharingan is not necessary to win.

Kakashi for example doesn't use his sharingan except of him fighting a strong ninja.

Why is Danzou in a rush to use it? Does he want to try it out? Maybe that is the reason for him to fight.

[nouvomx]

@Moon Stricken

very good analogy, I also agree that sarutobi didn't order the Uchicha massacre.

[iamsmurf]

danzou has the typical uchiha hair..probably danzou is an uchiha..with a normal left eye.hehe one of the many uchiha abnormalities aside from being emos..

[Jimmothy]

Maybe when he said he needs to fix his eye, maybe he means the eye that isn't bandaged up :O

He wants sharingan in both eyes again.

[tellis429]

As someone who was supposedly on par with Sandaime, I think Danzou only has normal sharingan.

I'd like to see more skill than Doujutsu in Danzou.

I doubt danzou only has a normal sharingan. Due to his lack of a arm im sure he cant do most jutsu, defending yourself with a normal sharingan seems impossible especially with all the MS weve seen lately. Hes probably just saving it till its absolutely necessary due to the condition of his eye.

[thatwouldbeawesome]

Ok, one post this week, I'll do a review once the chapter is out. :D

I am really happy to say I told you so to anybody who doubted Danzo would have a sharingan. So yeah, pm me lol.

@jdw I'm still very confident that Danzo and Madara are one and the same. Look out for my review ;)

[Rikudou King]

Itachi does have to take orders from Danzou to some extent. He is one of the Konoha higher ups. Itachi is following the chain of command. The Konoha Elders were the ones who ordered the massacre and they could just as easily hid the order from Sarutobi as a method of subterfuge. The Elders were not supportive of Sarutobi's diplomatic actions against the Uchiha clan, and were more supportive of Danzou's militant stance. The Elders hold a considerable amount of power in Konoha. Think of it like the United States. Sarutobi was president and the Elders were congress. Only congress can declare war, and in this case the elders were the ones who declared the Uchiha Massacre. And in order to avoid conflict with Sarutobi they hid it from him. The Hokage's orders would override anything given by anyone else. It was also stated that the Elders and Dazo wore Sabtori down, Which they would have no reason to do if they were able to do it themselves. They didn't want to waste time and give the Uchihas the chance to make the first move.


Itachi entered ANBU at the request of his father. Which means Itachi was accepting orders from some else before entering ANBU. Before becoming an Anbu, Itachi was a normal Jounin and took orders like any normal Jounin.


The Elders played to Itachi's weakness. Even back then someone as strong as Itachi was being manipulated by Danzou. He wasn't being manipulated. He choose to kill his family to protect Konoha as a whole and stop a civil war from happening.


Sarutobi, did not want the massacre to happen. So there is no reason to believe he would give the order. Danzou and the Elders undermined Sarutobi's authority and set forth a plan to wipe out the Uchiha clan because they thought Sarutobi was too lenient and pacifist. They did think that Sabutori was lenient, Which is why they work so hard to convince him it was necessary.


Also, Itachi begged for Sarutobi to protect Sasuke from "Danzou and the Elders." Had Sarutobi given the order to massacre the Uchiha clan, why would he be so prone to protecting an Uchiha which would go against his own order? Because Sabutori didn't want to kill them but it was necessary. But Sasuke had been kept in the dark, So Sabutori probably saw no reason he had to die.


So in short, Danzou and the Elders, not Sarutobi were responsible for the Massacre. Had Sarutobi been involved maybe diplomatic negotiations could have been reached. For instance, the Uchiha's could have left Konoha and started a village of their own. Or something else. Negotiations fail, Which is why they went thru with it. You're missing the most important fact, If they had did this behind Sabutori's back, Why would he let them be? Wouldn't he want to punish them? Sabutori was the one to ultimately order it, Even if he didn't want to. He had no choice.

[Konoha Hurricane]

He absolutely has that Uchiha style hair on him. That's for certain.

I wonder what the chances are that Madara knows Danzou has that Sharingan? Why in god's name have we yet to see Madara's/Tobi's left eye? Is it because we would see that it is missing? I suspect he has a body that is around a similar age as Kakashi. He just may have Obito's body and not his own. It's also pretty damn exciting that Naruto will in essence be heading to the Kage summit and whether intentionally or not, will completely undermine Danzou's authority.

[darkband]

Crack Theory:
Here's a crack theory that I don't believe myself (even though I made it) but would be interesting. What if the sharingan that Danzou has is the result of Orochimaru trying to create a sharingan. And due to some problem with it he needs Kabuto.
End Crack Theory.

Anyway, this isn't that unexpected. With a major antagonist, a covered up eye almost always has significance. On the Naruto front I nominate Raikage for the next convert to the Church of Naruto.

[sangai]

I have a feeling that danzou's eye is stolen/ given I.E not natural. I also still feel he is in cahoots with madara in some cases. *maybe not, possibly in cahoots prior to the fall of uchiha clan*

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

You are right. I meant the drawing was badass. running out to die isn't badass unless you are trying to save someone else :p

I like Karui a little bit. I think she has balls that Konoha kunoichi lack. Maybe she cannot back it up, but she did look somewhat skillful operating with Omoi.

How does that make her any different from Sakura? Sakura can seem skillful with Naruto backing her up, but at least she's realistic about her abilities. I just don't like the fact that not only does she seems obvilious to the fact that she could've just been killed but she actually has the nerve to try to bully someone that's a lot stronger than her. Would you put an elbow in Chuck Norris' throat, even if you didn't know him? You should never underestimate anyone like that. I just found that part very ironic. If she would've done that with a Third Ninja War veteran she would've had a problem. That why I like Omoi, because he has the ability to think rationally, kinda like Shikamaru(I wonder who's smarter, and how they would work together). Because of that, he will always have a higher probability of completing a mission and a less probability of dying. I think I like the type of ninjas that think rationally because they seem closer to the traditional images of a ninja.

[Jimmothy]

Anyway, this isn't that unexpected. With a major antagonist, a covered up eye almost always has significance. On the Naruto front I nominate Raikage for the next convert to the Church of Naruto.

most def, I just wish they could've done something better than the Sharingan. Maybe some new doujutsu *3*

Anyone else think that Danzou's eyes aren't aligned? It just seems so weird.

[Konoha Hurricane]

Crack Theory:
Here's a crack theory that I don't believe myself (even though I made it) but would be interesting. What if the sharingan that Danzou has is the result of Orochimaru trying to create a sharingan. And due to some problem with it he needs Kabuto.
End Crack Theory.

Anyway, this isn't that unexpected. With a major antagonist, a covered up eye almost always has significance. On the Naruto front I nominate Raikage for the next convert to the Church of Naruto.

My crackpot theory is that Danzou is another form of Madara that was created through some jutsu he used as a last ditch effort to stay alive after his battle with the First.

Madara's problem is that Danzou has his own ambitions that don't involve re-uniting with Madara to grant Madara the kind of power he would like to have again. Madara doesn't confront Danzou directly and instead sends an overconfident idiot like Sasuke because he knows how dangerous he is. He's hoping for some type of opening to reacquire Danzou.

Think Piccolo and Kame from dbz.

[Kusachu]

Before becoming an Anbu, Itachi was a normal Jounin and took orders like any normal Jounin.



Itachi was a chuunin and then ANBU. He never became a jounin.

[Konoha Hurricane]

How does that make her any different from Sakura? Sakura can seem skillful with Naruto backing her up, but at least she's realistic about her abilities. I just don't like the fact that not only does she seems obvilious to the fact that she could've just been killed but she actually has the nerve to try to bully someone that's a lot stronger than her. Would you put an elbow in Chuck Norris' throat, even if you didn't know him? You should never underestimate anyone like that. I just found that part very ironic. If she would've done that with a Third Ninja War veteran she would've had a problem. That why I like Omoi, because he has the ability to think rationally, kinda like Shikamaru(I wonder who's smarter, and how they would work together). Because of that, he will always have a higher probability of completing a mission and a less probability of dying. I think I like the type of ninjas that think rationally because they seem closer to the traditional images of a ninja.

You're very right. She has a lot of growing to do. Even if Naruto asked for it, what she did was downright foolish. She clearly isn't as strong as Naruto so her beating on him and him not doing a thing to stop her only makes her look even weaker.

[Kusachu]

So what does everyone think about the spoiler that talks about Tenzou being the guy with Danzou who goes after Kabuto? I mean, He was looking for Kabuto with Anko before, wasn't he?? I remeber being like, wtf? Where did that mission come from?

[tellis429]

Crack Theory:
Here's a crack theory that I don't believe myself (even though I made it) but would be interesting. What if the sharingan that Danzou has is the result of Orochimaru trying to create a sharingan. And due to some problem with it he needs Kabuto.
End Crack Theory.

Anyway, this isn't that unexpected. With a major antagonist, a covered up eye almost always has significance. On the Naruto front I nominate Raikage for the next convert to the Church of Naruto.

Theres even room for a theory like that lol. It could make sense... maybe?! I dont know but it would be interesting to know whats truly wrong with his sharingan. If Kakashi's was succesfully implanted by a little girl then there should be no problem with his implantation, If over use of sharingan results in blindness, then his sharingan wouldn't be usable. Your theory makes alot of sense and unless they said something like blood lines can't be created I could see it happening. Oro created yamato's wood jutsu from the first so lets wait and see.

[Kusachu]

And that guy whose face we don't see DOES sort of look like him. His eyes even look similar...
[hr]
So, saying that it isn't certain that Danzou is in fact Madara, he could have lifted that eye off any random Uchiha after the massacre or even before...but damn. I just don't even know what to think anymore. :darn WTF is going on??

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

So what does everyone think about the spoiler that talks about Tenzou being the guy with Danzou who goes after Kabuto? I mean, He was looking for Kabuto with Anko before, wasn't he?? I remeber being like, wtf? Where did that mission come from?

I didn't know if that was accurate so I'm waiting for confirmation before I speak about it because I don't think he's even a part of Root.

[tellis429]

I didn't know if that was accurate so I'm waiting for confirmation before I speak about it because I don't think he's even a part of Root.

tenzou is anbu because he used to be with kakashi, but now that danzou is hokage he has access to anbu anyway right?

[Kusachu]

I didn't know if that was accurate so I'm waiting for confirmation before I speak about it because I don't think he's even a part of Root.

Yeah but we don't know if Tenzou isn't a plant in ANBU by Danzou in the first place. Plus, Orochimaru DID experiment on him a lot. He was a war orphan after all, and isn't that who make up Root?

But you're right, that sort of thing isn't confirmed or anything. I would be shocked as hell if it was true.
[hr]
Oh crap. I read that spoiler wrong. i guess we never see the guy that the guy thought was Tenzou. :darn

[raptor02_2001]

what happen to Jouinn vote for Hokage .. mean not accpet Dazno as HOkage ?? it will be civil war ...that is Anbu leaf tried attack on Dazno in last page ??

i am little confused after read spoiler .. Copy Ninja will escort Naruto as Hokage or what ??

[bighawke5]

man....danzou's about to show some hokage lv skills....prove he was worthy of being hokage too...i hate the dude but cant wait to see him move and see how well he moves....sasuke's gonna get owned lol

the fact that his right eye is sharingan brings lots of speculation...some poor uchiha had to die for him to get that...

it'll be funny if akatsuki turns out to be good somehow and the tru madara is Danzou...and somehow tobi got madara's power's too because...he's his bro!...omh ima stop now i dont wanna become another one of those madara is danzou ppl...i hate their post so much when i see it and now im starting to get into that road lols

[bean]

what happen to Jouinn vote for Hokage .. mean not accpet Dazno as HOkage ?? it will be civil war ...that is Anbu leaf tried attack on Dazno in last page ??

i am little confused after read spoiler .. Copy Ninja will escort Naruto as Hokage or what ??
they're probably waiting for shit to settle before taking the vote, when the jounins aren't busy. As for kakashi and yamato, they're walking naruto to where the raikage is so that naruto can talk to him. They're escorting him because they need to watch over him, just in case shit goes down.

as for people attacking danzou, hard to tell who it is. All we know is that they look like chuunins wearing masks.

[-SageNaruto-28]

does danzous eye look retarded or what! it looks like ufff...weirddddd
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now kishi is gonna start putting sharingan on everyone?

[elcongo]

Oh shiet maybe Sasuke send this guys...nobody knows or maybe Mandara send them!!!!
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does danzous eye look retarded or what! it looks like ufff...weirddddd
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now kishi is gonna start putting sharingan on everyone?

i think the same thing..in 20 more chapter we are goin to seee Zetsu with a Sharinga in his back...

[raptor02_2001]

i am big fan of your post(bean) .. i am so more lurk but current chapter make do me join into thread...

i wonder Marnda can't die becasue he is immortal .. possible Kyuubi told Sasuke can't kill Naruto because he will have same fate Madara 's curse ?? in my theory ...

[Moon Stricken]

The Hokage's orders would override anything given by anyone else. It was also stated that the Elders and Dazo wore Sabtori down, Which they would have no reason to do if they were able to do it themselves. They didn't want to waste time and give the Uchihas the chance to make the first move.

Post a link to the page where it states that Danzou and the Elders wore Sarutobi down. Fact of the matter is, it is stated in the manga through the links i posted that Sarutobi was for diplomatic negotiations while Danzou and the elders were for direct militant action. There was no reason for Sarutobi to undermine his own principles and actions. There also have been times when Tsunade's orders were overridden by the Elders. So no, the Hokage, is more like a figure head like the President or Prime Minister, but still has to obey Congress and Parliament.


Before becoming an Anbu, Itachi was a normal Jounin and took orders like any normal Jounin.

Exactly. Which is why he would have to obey the chain of command and accept orders from the Elders and Danzou, not just the Hokage.


He wasn't being manipulated. He choose to kill his family to protect Konoha as a whole and stop a civil war from happening.

Yes, he was being manipulated. My links discuss this. Itachi viewed Konoha with the highest respect, and would do anything to protect it, even if it meant killin. The Elders used that weakness and love for Konoha to manipulate him into massacring his clan.


They did think that Sabutori was lenient, Which is why they work so hard to convince him it was necessary.

No, they thought he was too soft. Danzou has stated this several times. The Elders also took similar stances against Sarutobi's more pacifistic way of dealing with situations.


Because Sabutori didn't want to kill them but it was necessary. But Sasuke had been kept in the dark, So Sabutori probably saw no reason he had to die.

Negotiations fail, Which is why they went thru with it. You're missing the most important fact, If they had did this behind Sabutori's back, Why would he let them be? Wouldn't he want to punish them? Sabutori was the one to ultimately order it, Even if he didn't want to. He had no choice.

I'm sure many young Uchiha's were kept in the dark, but they were still murdered by Itachi and Madara. This was probably the whole reason Sarutobi did not want to resort to violence and instead insisted upon diplomatic negotiations. He didn't want innocent children to die. Itachi couldn't kill his brother, so he begged Sarutobi to protect him. Sarutobi didn't take action against the Elders and Danzou because that would have caused chaos among the villagers. Imagine the people finding out that the Elders are secretly killing off clans in the middle of the night. There would be sure panic. So instead Sarutobi listed Itachi as the sole participant in the act, and treated the situation like a rogue ninja went crazy.

So was Sarutobi responsible for the order to kill Uchiha, no. Did Sarutobi have a hand in the cover up, yes.

[raptor02_2001]

where is Tsuande ... she still in coma?? she will lost power of Hokage ?? or she was fired by Leader of fire Country ??


why Dazno ready to kill own ninja unless Dazno already have mass number root / Loyal follower will obey Hokage 's command ??


But i want to know so bad ... what happen to Jouinn vote?? it is bother me ... did i miss Jouinn vote ?? in past several weeks??

[HPTR Fangirl]

Yeah, Kishi kinda made her one of the most hated characters in the manga with that move. It would only be right that someone gives her an epic ass beating. Thinking about it now, I can't name someone in the manga that I hate more.

Sasuke might not be kind, if she wants to take him on. :D

[elitefox]

As someone who was supposedly on par with Sandaime, I think Danzou only has normal sharingan.

I'd like to see more skill than Doujutsu in Danzou.

the third defeated him, hmm, probably killing him will ought to bring better future to konoha, men how old is this guy

[tellis429]

Sasuke might not be kind, if she wants to take him on. :D

I'd love to see karui and sakura both get their ass kicked by sasuke. If that won't teach them their respective lessons then I don't know what will. Then again I could say the same about sasuke for naruto and vise versa. :darn

[-SageNaruto-28]

the third defeated him, hmm, probably killing him will ought to bring better future to konoha, men how old is this guy

he most be 79-89 just a guess lol

[Mandala]

Would it be logical to assume, that a few of the root members could be Uchiha survivors like Danzou? I mean he did give Itachi the worder to wipe the clan out.

[soul_krasty]

i think danzou & madara are the same person...it must be it..

[tellis429]

could be but I doubt it sort of like if you want a weed free garden root them all out. i don't think he would leave any behind especially with how thing are turning out with the single uchiha that did survive.

[TheOneElectric]

I saw the spoilers and immediately wanted to quit reading the manga. I can't though, I started reading it at 13 and now I am almost 19...I must persevere.

Sharingan....:eyeroll

[-SageNaruto-28]

i think danzou & madara are the same person...it must be it..

why would madara tell sasuke to kill him if his danzou?! makes no sense to me, someone ordering their own death. what would he accomplish by doing so

[Mandala]

where is Tsuande ... she still in coma?? she will lost power of Hokage ?? or she was fired by Leader of fire Country ??


why Dazno ready to kill own ninja unless Dazno already have mass number root / Loyal follower will obey Hokage 's command ??


But i want to know so bad ... what happen to Jouinn vote?? it is bother me ... did i miss Jouinn vote ?? in past several weeks??

Tsunades is still in a coma, so the village granted temporary status to Danzou, so no the vote hasn't arrived yet. Which is why hes probably trying to off certain people like Anko, and Kabuto, who he has hinted towards having dirt on him.
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could be but I doubt it sort of like if you want a weed free garden root them all out. i don't think he would leave any behind especially with how thing are turning out with the single uchiha that did survive.

If thats the case, I think its more likely he had the eye implanted on him like Kakashi.

[ThaGreatOne]

great now we have another sharingan user? It's not even a surprise since the old tobi is danzo theories and his eye being covered. Anyways I guess we'll see danzo be a master sharingan user and then somehow someway sasuke will "defeat" him too....and naruto was going along so well.....

[Konoha Hurricane]

why would madara tell sasuke to kill him if his danzou?! makes no sense to me, someone ordering their own death. what would he accomplish by doing so

Maybe he's comfortable doing so because he knows that Sasuke wouldn't win or because he's hoping that Sasuke, who now has a Mangekyou Sharingan, continues using his Mangekyou Sharingan to the point that he goes blind so that Madara can swoop in and pluck his eyes out gaining a new type of EMS?

I have a feeling that you don't have to be the brother of someone to pluck their eyes out and gain an EMS. Why is he so easily offering up Itachi's eyes? I don't think he wants Sasuke to grow stronger, I think he wants Sasuke to be foolish enough to consider the thought of removing his own eyes.

[-SageNaruto-28]

Tsunades is still in a coma, so the village granted temporary status to Danzou, so no the vote hasn't arrived yet. Which is why hes probably trying to off certain people like Anko, and Kabuto, who he has hinted towards having dirt on him.
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If thats the case, I think its more likely he had the eye implanted on him like Kakashi.

maybe but theres a big difference in kakashis sharingan and this guys sharingan. kakashis sharingan looks perfect on him because he had it for such a long time, while danzou sharingan looks like it was implanted not long ago by g0d knows who

[jdw]

How does that make her any different from Sakura? Sakura can seem skillful with Naruto backing her up, but at least she's realistic about her abilities. I just don't like the fact that not only does she seems obvilious to the fact that she could've just been killed but she actually has the nerve to try to bully someone that's a lot stronger than her. Would you put an elbow in Chuck Norris' throat, even if you didn't know him? You should never underestimate anyone like that. I just found that part very ironic. If she would've done that with a Third Ninja War veteran she would've had a problem. That why I like Omoi, because he has the ability to think rationally, kinda like Shikamaru(I wonder who's smarter, and how they would work together). Because of that, he will always have a higher probability of completing a mission and a less probability of dying. I think I like the type of ninjas that think rationally because they seem closer to the traditional images of a ninja.

They are different because Karui didn't get kicked in her ovaries, Sakura did. Let me say that I don't go around putting my elbow into the throat of others, but if I didn't know chuck norris as chuck norris I'd just think he is some geezer. Most fights happen where the person is unsure of the abilities of the other person, even in Naruto. You just have confidence in yourself and go on and learn what you can along the way from the guy who named his jutsu and described it. I have yet to see anyone ask for a video of someone else so they could know their abilities before they had a fight. (yes, i know zetsu records for Madara but we can't say it is because he is prepping for fights). "Madara-san, I want to fight you later, so can you loan me a video?" it isn't gonna happen.

[elitefox]

why would madara tell sasuke to kill him if his danzou?! makes no sense to me, someone ordering their own death. what would he accomplish by doing so

probably to kill or hurt the other kages causing another great ninja war:p

[Toby_Temple]

the current spoilers is really making me think here...

how the hell did Danzou acquire the sharingan? when did he got it? from whom did he got it from or is he an Uchiha(as in Danzou Uchiha :notrust)? and who else knows about it?

did the 3rd Hokage knew about it?

something to consider: Tobi and Danzou have the same sharingan eye location.

[raptor02_2001]

i wonder naruto will said funny to all of Kage meeting ... it is possible .Garra will have shame with his firend ..Naruto is famous baka !!

[Silvers Rayleigh]

i think danzou & madara are the same person...it must be it..

that wouldnt make much since cusz of the timeline, but yeah we never know:mad

[-SageNaruto-28]

This is too much information in one chapter.. wow

[LoS]

Maybe he's comfortable doing so because he knows that Sasuke wouldn't win or because he's hoping that Sasuke, who now has a Mangekyou Sharingan, continues using his Mangekyou Sharingan to the point that he goes blind so that Madara can swoop in and pluck his eyes out gaining a new type of EMS?

I have a feeling that you don't have to be the brother of someone to pluck their eyes out and gain an EMS. Why is he so easily offering up Itachi's eyes? I don't think he wants Sasuke to grow stronger, I think he wants Sasuke to be foolish enough to consider the thought of removing his own eyes.

There could be many possibilities, Madara could have at some point most likely defeated Itachi in a fight and stolen his eyes, or he could want a "potentially" stronger set and have Sasuke get his eyes to that level before Madara steals Sasuke's. Heck another option could be such a foolish resolution to the problem that it might even seem made up on the spot.

[know all]

did anyone notice in the spoiler when Kakashi asked Naruto, what the fourth told him? and Naruto smile and said, He believed in me. if you remember correctly, all kakashi wanted to know is wheather Naruto knows about the fourth being his father and If Naruto is strong enough to take on Madara.
And the answer is YES YES YES.

[TheOneElectric]

Anyways, despite the uncreative slap in the face we have received from Masashi, we still must figure out what group of shinobi are attacking. I think it is normal Anbu who are loyal to the "1st Hokage" style of thinking and leading.

I may be grasping at straws, but does the main pupil look...a little large? Or is that merely perspective?

[elitefox]

did anyone notice in the spoiler when Kakashi asked Naruto, what the fourth told him? and Naruto smile and said, He believed in me. if you remember correctly, all kakashi wanted to know is wheather Naruto knows about the fourth being his father and If Naruto is strong enough to take on Madara.
And the answer is YES YES YES.

I think it was fast forwarded so the whole conversation of naruto and his father will not be repeated
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Anyways, despite the uncreative slap in the face we have received from Masashi, we still must figure out what group of shinobi are attacking. I think it is normal Anbu who are loyal to the "1st Hokage" style of thinking and leading.

I may be grasping at straws, but does the main pupil look...a little large? Or is that merely perspective?

who could have ordered that?:notrust

[damane08]

For some reason Naruto is dying for me (personally I love naruto, but the older I get the plot just seems to look stupider nd stupider)
WTF is up with naruto chasing sasuke, trying to bring him back to the village? He almost killed naruto on NUMEROUS occasions nd yet the idiot still wants to bring him home. and i get the whole "I was lonely nd sasuke is like a brother to me" thing, which is pretty much the excuse that Kishimoto uses to justify naruto chasing sasuke. the older I get the stupider it looks nd it's dying for me.

[Silvers Rayleigh]

There could be many possibilities, Madara could have at some point most likely defeated Itachi in a fight and stolen his eyes, or he could want a "potentially" stronger set and have Sasuke get his eyes to that level before Madara steals Sasuke's. Heck another option could be such a foolish resolution to the problem that it might even seem made up on the spot.

madara defeate itachi and stol his eyes:blink were do u get that

[TheOneElectric]

who could have ordered that?:notrust

Anyone who is not pleased with Danzou being the hokage. Anyone who knows Danzou's secrets. I see masks on the attackers. It would be pretty random for obscure ninjas to immediately attack and ruin relations right before the summit, am I right?

[Konoha Hurricane]

the current spoilers is really making me think here...

how the hell did Danzou acquire the sharingan? when did he got it? from whom did he got it from or is he an Uchiha(as in Danzou Uchiha :notrust)? and who else knows about it?

did the 3rd Hokage knew about it?

something to consider: Tobi and Danzou have the same sharingan eye location.

Many things to consider.

Is he a true Uchiha?

Was it transplanted?

If transplanted, whose Sharingan is it, is it Obito's other Sharingan?

Is it just coincidence that Danzou has just one in opposite eye as Kakashi has his?

Just how the hell did Kakashi get a Mangekyou Sharingan?

Are Madara and Danzou the same person?

If they aren't, does Madara know that Danzou has a sharingan?

and a few other things.

[Destin82]

Has anyone considered that Danzou might be Madara and Tobi might be someone completely different? This thread is 80 pages so I'm sure it's probably been brought up, that or Tobi and Danzou being the same person are the only two theories to really make sense to me.

[Kusachu]

Damn it. Please let Danzou be separate from Madara. It would be so lame if he was because then...I don't know. :darn

[Silvers Rayleigh]

For some reason Naruto is dying for me (personally I love naruto, but the older I get the plot just seems to look stupider nd stupider)
WTF is up with naruto chasing sasuke, trying to bring him back to the village? He almost killed naruto on NUMEROUS occasions nd yet the idiot still wants to bring him home. and i get the whole "I was lonely nd sasuke is like a brother to me" thing, which is pretty much the excuse that Kishimoto uses to justify naruto chasing sasuke. the older I get the stupider it looks nd it's dying for me.

i feel you on that one but we have to remember that this manga was made for kids,and about sasuke... naruto has to realise that he does not need to be save or want too.
ps. please anyone tell me sasuke need to be save from what:blink:notrust

[blackpowa]

im thinking danzou was proubably one of orocohi's guineau pigs, but seeing how it effected danzou he proubably thought it would be to trouble some and i guess now w know that danzou is capable of figghting also


i guess we'll find out next chapter but 199.58 bucks saythat the anbu attacking him are konoha ninja, freedom fighter proubably , organized by anko

[Revan46]

Ugh I don't understand why no one knows how Danzou is Madara. I mean there's the point itself that his hair is the same, but the fact that he also has the Sharingan in the same place as Madara. And then finally there is the last point that when you saw him with his mask off in chapter 415 or something, he had wrinkles on that eye. He has it covered up as Danzou though obviously because he wouldn't want everyone knowing he's an Uchiha. Case closed.

Back to the chapter:

I think it's cool Naruto's going to the Hokage Meeting now :) Since he will be a Hokage soon :P

[elitefox]

i feel you on that one but we have to remember that this manga was made for kids,and about sasuke... naruto has to realise that he does not need to be save or want too.
ps. please anyone tell me sasuke need to be save from what:blink:notrust

He needed to be save from himself being so hyped up and overconfidence that he owns the world and can kill anyone like hell he is strong... playing a goose chase... after he killed danzou, hey I remember that ninja... killed my cat, gonna have my revenge on him, oh that killed a cockcroach on my house, gonna destroy his house:darn

[Kusachu]

i feel you on that one but we have to remember that this manga was made for kids,and about sasuke... naruto has to realise that he does not need to be save or want too.
ps. please anyone tell me sasuke need to be save from what:blink:notrust

Saved from destroying himself. Naruto probably just wants Sasuke to have another chance at being happy. Plus, he never takes back his words, and he said that if wanting to save Sasuke made him a fool, then he would remain a fool forever. He made a promice of a lifetime while using the nice-guy pose. He can't just become fickle and give up now. *shrug*

[Essence]

He needed to be save from himself being so hyped up and overconfidence that he owns the world and can kill anyone like hell he is strong... playing a goose chase... after he killed danzou, hey I remember that ninja... killed my cat, gonna have my revenge on him, oh that killed a cockcroach on my house, gonna destroy his house:darn

do you ever stop bashing

[Revan46]

do you ever stop bashing

Obviously he doesn't, but do we really need to clog the topic with unneeded questions?

I also think the two "guardians" of Danzou are sort of interesting, I wonder what their skills are...

[luffy_boy]

Well seems to me madara`s brother = danzou.

[Essence]

Well seems to me madara`s brother = danzou.

well that would be impossible with the time line because madara brother died before the founding of konoha. also danzou was most likely wasn't born yet or was a child when konoha was founded.

[blackpowa]

conspiracy theories...

yeah but it has always seemed to me that theeese root members are supposed to be really strong, like kakashi level i guess we will see

[elitefox]

do you ever stop bashing

sorry really don't meant to bash but really don't know the term... so to make my statement short, he's just a rogue ninja.


bashing is like picking a fight? I am not arguing or anything with that statement

[Silvers Rayleigh]

Saved from destroying himself. Naruto probably just wants Sasuke to have another chance at being happy. Plus, he never takes back his words, and he said that if wanting to save Sasuke made him a fool, then he would remain a fool forever. He made a promice of a lifetime while using the nice-guy pose. He can't just become fickle and give up now. *shrug*

you see that the problem with naruto character he only thinks of what will make sakura happy but not off what sasuke realy want, if he wants to get revange i say let him, he will come back after killing his enemies am i wrong;)
naruto need to think about the narutounivers problem and not what sasuke his doing all the time
destroying himself plese explain:blink

[Rikudou King]

Post a link to the page where it states that Danzou and the Elders wore Sarutobi down. Fact of the matter is, it is stated in the manga through the links i posted that Sarutobi was for diplomatic negotiations while Danzou and the elders were for direct militant action. There was no reason for Sarutobi to undermine his own principles and actions. There also have been times when Tsunade's orders were overridden by the Elders. So no, the Hokage, is more like a figure head like the President or Prime Minister, but still has to obey Congress and Parliament. Well, I have a scanlation of 399 but I can't find it online. I definitely remember either getting it here or at MT. So I can't prove it as of yet, But regardless, I stick to my point.

If that was the case, Then why would the Elders go along with Tsunade when they clearly though she was wrong? If they have the power to oppose the rule of the Hokage, Why waste their time trying to convice Tsunade to keep Naruto in the village. Why would Danzo work so hard to be Hokage if he would have less power then now? If that was the case, Then it wouldn't matter who was the Hokage, Since they could just make decisions on their own. Even using your example, The President still has the last say in matters of state. He can veto any order he finds unreasonable.


Exactly. Which is why he would have to obey the chain of command and accept orders from the Elders and Danzou, not just the Hokage. Except that only the Hokage gives orders to Anbu, Which is what Itachi was at the time.


Yes, he was being manipulated. My links discuss this. Itachi viewed Konoha with the highest respect, and would do anything to protect it, even if it meant killin. The Elders used that weakness and love for Konoha to manipulate him into massacring his clan. It's not manipulation if someone chooses to do it. Itachi chose to give Konoha info and then chose to kill his clan to preserve the peace. He knew full well what he was doing. He wanted to maintain the peace and this was the best way. Manipulation implies that he was tricked and that wasn't true.


No, they thought he was too soft. Danzou has stated this several times. The Elders also took similar stances against Sarutobi's more pacifistic way of dealing with situations. That doesn't change the fact that the Hokage is the absolute power in the village.


I'm sure many young Uchiha's were kept in the dark, but they were still murdered by Itachi and Madara. This was probably the whole reason Sarutobi did not want to resort to violence and instead insisted upon diplomatic negotiations. He didn't want innocent children to die. Itachi couldn't kill his brother, so he begged Sarutobi to protect him. Sarutobi didn't take action against the Elders and Danzou because that would have caused chaos among the villagers. Imagine the people finding out that the Elders are secretly killing off clans in the middle of the night. There would be sure panic. So instead Sarutobi listed Itachi as the sole participant in the act, and treated the situation like a rogue ninja went crazy. So Sabutori just cover the whole thing up and let Danzo and the Elders be? Sabutori could have arrested them without revealing what they had did. Or he could have removed them from positions of power. Anything other them just letting them get away with it. What about the damage it would do when it came out that he covered it up? If they did it without his knowledge, How could he ever trust them again? We've seen that the Hokage possess the power to overrule the Elders' decisions. I would trust what I've seen first hand over what I've seen from a third person source.

[KiSwordsman]

it would be especially awesome if naruto gets back his coat before he goes on to the summit that would really make gaara's eyes pop out and most people would probably remember konoha's yellow flash on seeing him that would be epic :D

the Iwa-kage would be pissed, and scared all at once

[Federicoxxx]

wow.. so danzou have the sharingan ? awesome!
of course that doesnt mean he is TOBI lol ..
in fact i believe the mizukage girl is tobi in disguise
her right eye always covered ? . omg what a coincidence ..
of course it can be just a stupid coincidence and nothing more

And why danzou need oro data, to FIX HIS ARM..yes is ok..
maybe is burned destroyed ... but his eye ? his eye seem to work
if he goin to face those unknow shinobis
or maybe work but not at full power , god know . i mean kishimoto know

this goin to be a kickass chapter!
naruto keep getting better and better

[Montai]

maybe but theres a big difference in kakashis sharingan and this guys sharingan. kakashis sharingan looks perfect on him because he had it for such a long time, while danzou sharingan looks like it was implanted not long ago by g0d knows who

That doesn't sound right at all. How does his eye look at all like what you described? All we see right now is an uchiha eye that has the shadow from the bandages covering it. All we can see is the eye ball. We can't really see anything else.

[Konoha Hurricane]

do you ever stop bashing

What he said was basically true. Sasuke needs to be saved from himself. It's also true that even if he were to end up killing Danzou, he would then determine that it's time to get revenge on someone else.

It's a never-ending cycle for him. Stop and consider for a moment that it seems as if Madara and Zetsu had not come to give Sasuke the information that they did, he would've gone to Konoha with the intention to kill even innocent civilians.
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That doesn't sound right at all. How does his eye look at all like what you described? All we see right now is an uchiha eye that has the shadow from the bandages covering it. All we can see is the eye ball. We can't really see anything else.

Exactly, it is as if nobody ever thought of the possibility that it simply looks like that because Kishi wanted to show off what was meant to be a big reveal.

[Essence]

sorry really don't meant to bash but really don't know the term... so to make my statement short, he's just a rogue ninja.


bashing is like picking a fight? I am not arguing or anything with that statement

no i was only saying bashing as in do you ever stop criticizing sasuke. But still even I do the same especially the time when naruto let himself getting hit.


What he said was basically true. Sasuke needs to be saved from himself. It's also true that even if he were to end up killing Danzou, he would then determine that it's time to get revenge on someone else.

It's a never-ending cycle for him. Stop and consider for a moment that it seems as if Madara and Zetsu had not come to give Sasuke the information that they did, he would've gone to Konoha with the intention to kill even innocent civilians.


I never said what sasuke doing isn't wrong and in fact i have no respect for naruto because of his whole rescuing sasuke phenomenon. i'm among the one who feels that sasuke should die, because i really can't see him being happy in konoha. However i was only saying that its really pointless to bash sasuke when he isn't in the upcoming chapter

[-SageNaruto-28]

i dont know how i missed the part where danzou says kabuto might know about him and orochimaru. what if anko finds kabuto first, what would she do?kill him?

idk but dat right eye of danzou might be an experiment or something... in my opinion

[bean]

I've been thinking about this since I woke up and saw danzou with the sharingan...so let's think about the possibilities together:

danzou and where he got his sharingan

1.He was born with it
this is the least likely option if you ask me. Given that itachi and sasuke were lauded as the last of their clan, danzou can't possibly be danzou uchiha, can he? I mean, that would undermine a lot of the manga. Itachi was considered the liaison between uchiha and konoha, so danzou can't be one since he was pretty much a konoha higher up.

2.He acquired it at a young age from an uchiha pre massacre
Probably the most sensible option that most won't outright dismiss. However, I don't see it likely. Clans with doujutsus seem to be kinda uptight about keeping that shit in the family, so if they notice a family member missing, or one comes back saying he lost an eyeball, I would assume that they would go batshit crazy trying to get retribution or at least try to find the eyeball, not to mention that danzou would actually have to best an uchiha to take the eye away from him. Say danzou kidnapped an uchiha and stole his eye (instead of eyes because that would be stupid, right? I mean, how would he know he wouldn't be able to deactivate it - I should dismiss this option right here...then again, he may not have wanted to raise suspicion that he stole an eye by having two of them...this way he can keep one of his eyes and say he lost his other). I would imagine that the uchihas would put out an alert and try to find this uchiha, even go as far as getting konoha in on the search since sharingan is a weapon for konoha, right? I just can't see him going around taking the eye and the uchihas being fine with it. Which leads to the next option...

3.He took obito's other eye...
Ahhh...obito...a little gaiden character who is all but dead in our hearts... Maybe he did take it from his dead body that he just so happened upon. Maybe the 4th reported the boy KIA and danzou jumped at the opportunity to get that eye. People will argue against this that danzou already had it by then (and they'll point to the nagato - hanzou confrontation where he already had his eye covered) but the truth is that he had his eye covered and that's all we really know. He could have had a gaping hole under that bandage. Could he have had the sharingan already? sure, but we don't know. Others would argue that obito's right eye was crushed so it would have been useless. Well, he wasn't so crushed that he couldn't give a little goodbye speech, right? And maybe just his body was crushed and his skull insulated his eye from the weight of the rocks...possible? maybe, probably not. But who knows...lee shouldn't even be walking right now and look at the guy...I'm just saying. Natoma, you kept saying that it was a fictional story so reality doesn't apply, right? and your argument is that his eye is crushed but a shitload of tons of rock, right? Well, reality doesn't apply, that eye could still be usable.

4.He is...wait for it...MADARA! DUN DUN DUNNNN
THe dreaded madara=danzou theory...Look, do I think he's madara? not really. Do I think it's possible that he is madara? most definitely. Kishi is wrapping both characters in a shitload of mystery. Why is it that the only part of present day madara's face that we've been shown is the exact part of the face that danzou covers up!? WHY GADDAMNIT?! Not only that, now that danzou reveals a sharingan under that bandage (and only a sharingan, mind you, we don't see anything else) this adds more credibility to danzou is madara. But danzou is old and lame and madara is ...um...old and spry...? Yeah, so what? so danzou acts nothing like madara...big surprise. If they are teh same person, he's just doing his part of playing the character. 'But danzou wants him dead, danzou doesn't want him to get the kyuubi, danzou wants sasuke dead and madara doesn't...!" Danzou never said he wanted him dead. If he is madara, he's playing a crazy game on everyone, and from the looks of it, madara is nearing his goal. And danzou stopped nagato from getting the kyuubi, and as far as we know, maybe madara didn't want nagato to get the kyuubi but instead cause a shitload of trouble in an attempt to get the kyuubi. Danzou may want sasuke dead, but he's really not doing much to accomplish it. Even then, he could still protect sasuke through his tobi character. Madara probably has some warped idea in his head that regardless of the situation, sasuke will be fine...and guess what, sasuke will be because he's tantamount to naruto. Though the manga is called naruto and it's about him, sasuke is the other main character. He's not going anywhere. TL: DR, he might be madara, that's it...he might not be as well, so who knows.

5. He's Madara's bro
No he isn't.Unless he knows Dr. Robert Rey, he's not the brother. Possible, but it's so complex to explain it that it won't work.

6. He got it from a dead uchiha post massacre
Highly doubt it. The way he was talking about it, the whole "It's been a while since real combat... It's a perfect chance for me to wake up my dulled body..." sounds to me like he's at least accustomed to using his sharingan. It doesn't seem like it's a new addition either if the bandages have always been used to cover his sharingan up. Could he have gotten it post massacre...probably, I don't know, but I don't think so.

I could go on for a while, but that's already way beyond my self imposed posting length limit. To me, either he's madara or he stole one from the uchihas, they found out and were planning a revolt, and that's what lead to the genocide. Hopefully we find out soon.

[Federicoxxx]

haaaaa maybe the sharingan work , but his eye i mean the rest of the eye is fucked up
the lost of sight , always happen when you reach the Magenkyo right ?

not with a simple 3 tomoe sharingan

[Konoha Hurricane]

Naruto's coat was destroyed during the battle with Pain I think, but I hope he has something else similar or he can simply summon a frog who will bring him another :P

[-SageNaruto-28]

That doesn't sound right at all. How does his eye look at all like what you described? All we see right now is an uchiha eye that has the shadow from the bandages covering it. All we can see is the eye ball. We can't really see anything else.

ok, we'll just have to wait and see what kishi throws at us this time

[Montai]

Maybe donzou was the one who caused the 9-tails to attack the village after all?

[elitefox]

no i was only saying bashing as in do you ever stop criticizing sasuke. But still even I do the same especially the time when naruto let himself getting hit.

Ah, bashing is not for member to member fighting but somewhat criticizing a character in the story.

sorry, what I try to say is that, he was a "rogue" ninja, then gave a situation like he won't stop his revenge until he is dead, he will find another enemy will it be danzou or another nin. Just come up with my mind what kakashi tells him that what will he do after killing itachi, that he will never be satisfied so and so.

Yeah, I overexagerate about the cat and cockcroach, I didn't know that was bashing.

ok, no more exageration

I don't want to get more minus points and get booted out of this forum:(

[KiSwordsman]

Without knowing how or why Danzou got his Sharigan, I think it's too early to tell yet. If Danzou is going to be a villian, he needed something to make him strong. He can't just be an evil politician with a bunch of fodder underlings. He's going to fight one of the main characters eventually, my guess is its going to be Kakashi.

I would have guested sasuke before Kakashi, considering that sasuke is the one that's after him at the moment

[Grizz]

Maybe donzou was the one who caused the 9-tails to attack the village after all?


No one really knows, he's sharingan might seem to be working, but hes eye doesnt seem well...

[-SageNaruto-28]

I've been thinking about this since I woke up and saw danzou with the sharingan...so let's think about the possibilities together:

danzou and where he got his sharingan

1.He was born with it
this is the least likely option if you ask me. Given that itachi and sasuke were lauded as the last of their clan, danzou can't possibly be danzou uchiha, can he? I mean, that would undermine a lot of the manga. Itachi was considered the liaison between uchiha and konoha, so danzou can't be one since he was pretty much a konoha higher up.

2.He acquired it at a young age from an uchiha pre massacre
Probably the most sensible option that most won't outright dismiss. However, I don't see it likely. Clans with doujutsus seem to be kinda uptight about keeping that shit in the family, so if they notice a family member missing, or one comes back saying he lost an eyeball, I would assume that they would go batshit crazy trying to get retribution or at least try to find the eyeball, not to mention that danzou would actually have to best an uchiha to take the eye away from him. Say danzou kidnapped an uchiha and stole his eye (instead of eyes because that would be stupid, right? I mean, how would he know he wouldn't be able to deactivate it - I should dismiss this option right here...then again, he may not have wanted to raise suspicion that he stole an eye by having two of them...this way he can keep one of his eyes and say he lost his other). I would imagine that the uchihas would put out an alert and try to find this uchiha, even go as far as getting konoha in on the search since sharingan is a weapon for konoha, right? I just can't see him going around taking the eye and the uchihas being fine with it. Which leads to the next option...

3.He took obito's other eye...
Ahhh...obito...a little gaiden character who is all but dead in our hearts... Maybe he did take it from his dead body that he just so happened upon. Maybe the 4th reported the boy KIA and danzou jumped at the opportunity to get that eye. People will argue against this that danzou already had it by then (and they'll point to the nagato - hanzou confrontation where he already had his eye covered) but the truth is that he had his eye covered and that's all we really know. He could have had a gaping hole under that bandage. Could he have had the sharingan already? sure, but we don't know. Others would argue that obito's right eye was crushed so it would have been useless. Well, he wasn't so crushed that he couldn't give a little goodbye speech, right? And maybe just his body was crushed and his skull insulated his eye from the weight of the rocks...possible? maybe, probably not. But who knows...lee shouldn't even be walking right now and look at the guy...I'm just saying.

4.He is...wait for it...MADARA! DUN DUN DUNNNN
THe dreaded madara=danzou theory...Look, do I think he's madara? not really. Do I think it's possible that he is madara? most definitely. Kishi is wrapping both characters in a shitload of mystery. Why is it that the only part of present day madara's face that we've been shown is the exact part of the face that danzou covers up!? WHY GADDAMNIT?! Not only that, now that danzou reveals a sharingan under that bandage (and only a sharingan, mind you, we don't see anything else) this adds more credibility to danzou is madara. But danzou is old and lame and madara is ...um...old and spry...? Yeah, so what? so danzou acts nothing like madara...big surprise. If they are teh same person, he's just doing his part of playing the character. 'But danzou wants him dead, danzou doesn't want him to get the kyuubi, danzou wants sasuke dead and madara doesn't...!" Danzou never said he wanted him dead. If he is madara, he's playing a crazy game on everyone, and from the looks of it, madara nearing his goal. And danzou stopped nagato from getting the kyuubi, and as far as we know, maybe madara didn't want nagato to get the kyuubi but instead cause a shitload of trouble in an attempt to get the kyuubi. Danzou may want sasuke dead, but he's really not doing much to accomplish it. Even then, he could still protect sasuke through his tobi character. Madara probably has some warped idea in his head that regardless of the situation, sasuke will be fine...and guess what, sasuke will be because he's tantamount to naruto. Though the manga is called naruto and it's about him, sasuke is the other main character. He's not going anywhere. TL: DR, he might be madara, that's it...he might not be as well, so who knows.

5. He's Madara's bro
No he isn't.Unless he knows Dr. Robert Rey, he's not the brother. Possible, but it's so complex to explain it that it won't work.

6. He got it from a dead uchiha post massacre
Highly doubt it. The way he was talking about it, the whole "It's been a while since real combat... It's a perfect chance for me to wake up my dulled body..." sounds to me like he's at least accustomed to using his sharingan. It doesn't seem like it's a new addition either if the bandages have always been used to cover his sharingan up. Could he have gotten it post massacre...probably, I don't know, but I don't think so.

I could go on for a while, but that's already way beyond my self imposed posting length limit. To me, either he's madara or he stole one from the uchihas, they found out and were planning a revolt, and that's what lead to the genocide. Hopefully we find out soon.

danzou is not madara why would he say "it will be usefull for my right eye and arm? if madara is with his mask showing his right side MS all the time. Danzou is not madara period.

[luffy_boy]

well that would be impossible with the time line because madara brother died before the founding of konoha. also danzou was most likely wasn't born yet or was a child when konoha was founded.

Madara should also be dead. (atleast everybody thought so)

[elitefox]

No one really knows, he's sharingan might seem to be working, but hes eye doesnt seem well...

I think he needs MS for control, not just an ordinary sharingan, I might be wrong;)

[Silvers Rayleigh]

He needed to be save from himself being so hyped up and overconfidence that he owns the world and can kill anyone like hell he is strong... playing a goose chase... after he killed danzou, hey I remember that ninja... killed my cat, gonna have my revenge on him, oh that killed a cockcroach on my house, gonna destroy his house:darn

his it me that only understand this, Revenge is sweeter than life itself. :p but on a serious note, you see i see sasuke as the chapion of the weak( the chapion of all the small village that want revenge on kanoha) by getting revenge he his getting retaliation against kanoha in response to perceived wrongdoing. in a way he his making things equal by making the other side go through what he went through or make sure they'll never be able to do what they did again

[bean]

danzou is not madara why would he say "it will be usefull for my right eye and arm? if madara is with his mask showing his right side MS all the time. Danzou is not madara period.
madara has never shown his ms, if he has one. He's shown as much as danzou now. And as far as we know, maybe madara has something fucked up with his arm as well. Your proof is inconclusive. I'm just saying it's possible.

[Essence]

Madara should also be dead. (atleast everybody thought so)

Madara is immortal, second If Danzou is madara brother, he wouldn't have a sharingan because Madara took both of his brother eyes to gain ems.

[Grizz]

Madara should also be dead. (atleast everybody thought so)

Why would the Hachibi attack konoha?? he has no reason to...

[Smokes]

you see that the problem with naruto character he only thinks of what will make sakura happy but not off what sasuke realy want, if he wants to get revange i say let him, he will come back after killing his enemies am i wrong;)
naruto need to think about the narutounivers problem and not what sasuke his doing all the time
destroying himself plese explain:blink

Saving him from himself means stopping him before he goes to far. As improbable as Sasuke returning to Konoha now may be, if he actually manages to kill a Kage, his fate will be sealed.

Right now the cloud are on fire to get the guy. He only has to worry about a three man team right now. If he incites all of the hidden villages,he'll have a veritable army on his ass. He'll end up going blind just trying to stay alive. They'll come get him, even if he's in Konoha.

Of course, he can always rely on Naruto for help, and then they can both become criminals......But before that, Naruto wants to stop him.


And.... the nice-guy pose is is an unbreakable binder for a promise.:thumbs

[Montai]

Maybe Donzou summoned the 9-tails, tried to control it, failed, got hurt really bad in the process. We all know what effects the 9tails' chakra has on people. That might be whats wrong with his right arm in eye.

[Grizz]

Maybe Donzou summoned the 9-tails, tried to control it, failed, got hurt really bad in the process. We all know what effects the 9tails' chakra has on people. That might be whats wrong with his right arm in eye.


I think everyone has their own conlusions about what happened to danzou, but we'll only know in the coming weeks...

[-SageNaruto-28]

madara has never shown his ms, if he has one. He's shown as much as danzou now. And as far as we know, maybe madara has something fucked up with his arm as well. Your proof is inconclusive. I'm just saying it's possible.

he has shown his sharingan. and no one else has pointed out that danzou has some kind of metal in his right arm. madara doesn't seem to have any kind of object attached to his right arm does he??? am just saying is not possible for danzou to be madara, my opinion...

[elitefox]

I do hope to see the kages fight and what's new with gaara too making kankuro say "like he needs bodyguards"
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I think everyone has their own conlusions about what happened to danzou, but we'll only know in the coming weeks...

but first how did he summoned it:oh

[bean]

he has shown his sharingan. and no one else has pointed out that danzou has some kind of metal in his right arm. madara doesn't seem to have any kind of object attached to his right arm does he??? am just saying is not possible for danzou to be madara, my opinion...
metal can be removed. Proof still inconclusive. My opinion is that he can be, not that he is. There's too much connecting the two to say they aren't the same person.

[Grizz]

I do hope to see the kages fight and what's new with gaara too making kankuro say "like he needs bodyguards"

I don't think he meant anythign specific by that.... but i sure do hope that they have all improved somehow...

[Montai]

Madara is immortal, second If Danzou is madara brother, he wouldn't have a sharingan because Madara took both of his brother eyes to gain ems.

You could say that Madara gave his eyes to his brother. A trade. We'll trade each other's pokemon, that way, they'll evolve in to their final forms. :notrust

[Konoha Hurricane]

It was Danzou that saw through everything the Fourth tried?

Think the Fourth performed the Death God jutsu on Danzou's arm?

Why would Oro's data be useful in alleviating the problem he has in his right eye and arm?

Is he attempting to learn how to create new limbs for himself like Oro seemed to be capable of doing on multiple occasions? We've seen oro's neck snapped, we've seen his back bent over backwards and a number of other things. I think he's trying to learn what Oro seemed to learn. Oro practically found a way to make himself almost impervious to even the most incredible kinds of damage. Even when Itachi ran him through in the way that he did he seemed unconcerned and completely ready to recover and go at it some more until he learned what he had been run through with.

[Essence]

You could say that Madara gave his eyes to his brother. A trade. We'll trade each other's pokemon, that way, they'll evolve in to their final forms. :notrust
well theres no proof that can be done.

[Grizz]

Danzou is still mysterious, no matter what we say won't solve the situation any further, all these assumptions about him being madara might be true but no-one actualli knows.....

[nat]

I'm more in the mind of danzou taking one eye from a dead uchiha post massacre to replace a damaged one.
And then when he tried to control qb 16 years ago, it backfired.

Also zetsu broke the news of danzou's hokagedom to madara, who suspected but didnt know for sure.
He could acting, but meh..... I don't think danzou is old spry Mads.

[elitefox]

Danzou is still mysterious, no matter what we say won't solve the situation any further, all these assumptions about him being madara might be true but no-one actualli knows.....

Yup just wait and see :p

[-SageNaruto-28]

if in this thread we can write anything but spamming then i'll say something else about madara/danzou theory

why didn't the fourth hokage warned naruto of danzou when he was in narutos mind? he only told him to be careful with the dude in akatsuki dat has a mark.

[Konoha Hurricane]

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000280/19.jpg

Just what the hell is the deal with those damn screw like things on him? We've seen him talk to Sasuke and not look like that, but what the hell is the reason for those things on him in the first place? Just a style preference or what? Makes you wonder if he's able to engage in any kind of serious combat at all without wearing that thing.

Could it be that the attire he wears somehow bionically enhances his ability to make use of his muscles due to some kind of damage? I assume the same must also be true for his right side. What he did in front of Sasuke didn't necessarily involve any significantly challenging use of his right hand (the hand that Danzou seemingly has screwed up)

[Kusachu]

you see that the problem with naruto character he only thinks of what will make sakura happy but not off what sasuke realy want, if he wants to get revange i say let him, he will come back after killing his enemies am i wrong;)
naruto need to think about the narutounivers problem and not what sasuke his doing all the time
destroying himself plese explain:blink

Okay, by destroying himself I mean chasing revenge until he is either dead, or damned to a life of constant running, hiding, and killing. The situation that Sasuke is in now is a prime example. He's gotten into huge trouble with an entire nation who now wants him dead. If Naruto wants Sasuke to have a chance to have a life where he has a chance to be happy, how is he going to do that if Sasuke is a wanted criminal? Right now Sasuke is still on the threshold, but there is still the possibility of redemption as well as a very real possibility of disaster.

Now tell me, if there was someone you loved, probably more than almost anyone else in your life, would you just give up on them and forget about them and move on with your life even if you knew there was still a chance you could help them? :blink

I don't understand why people can't grasp this simple fact about Naruto wanting to "save" Sasuke other than they do not share his idea of love and loyalty.
[hr]

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000280/19.jpg

Just what the hell is the deal with those damn screw like things on him? We've seen him talk to Sasuke and not look like that, but what the hell is the reason for those things on him in the first place? Just a style preference or what? Makes you wonder if he's able to engage in any kind of serious combat at all without wearing that thing.

Could it be that the attire he wears somehow bionically enhances his ability to make use of his muscles due to some kind of damage? I assume the same must also be true for his right side. What he did in front of Sasuke didn't necessarily involve any significantly challenging use of his right hand (the hand that Danzou seemingly has screwed up)

I always thought that was armor. :oh

[-SageNaruto-28]

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000280/19.jpg

Just what the hell is the deal with those damn screw like things on him? We've seen him talk to Sasuke and not look like that, but what the hell is the reason for those things on him in the first place? Just a style preference or what? Makes you wonder if he's able to engage in any kind of serious combat at all without wearing that thing.

Could it be that the attire he wears somehow bionically enhances his ability to make use of his muscles due to some kind of damage? I assume the same must also be true for his right side. What he did in front of Sasuke didn't necessarily involve any significantly challenging use of his right hand (the hand that Danzou seemingly has screwed up)

his probably a puppet lol

[LiL_JiRiyAya]

danzo is not mardaa he probably acquired his eye the same way kakashi did from a transfusion would explain why he has it covered all the time his body probably can't handle it s power so he keeps it covered

[elitefox]

Okay, by destroying himself I mean chasing revenge until he is either dead, or damned to a life of constant running, hiding, and killing. The situation that Sasuke is in now is a prime example. He's gotten into huge trouble with an entire nation who now wants him dead. If Naruto wants Sasuke to have a chance to have a life where he has a chance to be happy, how is he going to do that if Sasuke is a wanted criminal? Right now Sasuke is still on the threshold, but there is still the possibility of redemption as well as a very real possibility of disaster.

Now tell me, if there was someone you loved, probably more than almost anyone else in your life, would you just give up on them and forget about them and move on with your life even if you knew there was still a chance you could help them? :blink

I don't understand why people can't grasp this simple fact about Naruto wanting to "save" Sasuke other than they do not share his idea of love and loyalty.
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I always thought that was armor. :oh

I think sasuke's only chance is if naruto finds him or save killerbee from kisame...
And testify that he still too young to kill this pro and you are so hot headed brother raikage... just want to have some vacation y'know.

[Essence]

Okay, by destroying himself I mean chasing revenge until he is either dead, or damned to a life of constant running, hiding, and killing. The situation that Sasuke is in now is a prime example. He's gotten into huge trouble with an entire nation who now wants him dead. If Naruto wants Sasuke to have a chance to have a life where he has a chance to be happy, how is he going to do that if Sasuke is a wanted criminal? Right now Sasuke is still on the threshold, but there is still the possibility of redemption as well as a very real possibility of disaster.

Now tell me, if there was someone you loved, probably more than almost anyone else in your life, would you just give up on them and forget about them and move on with your life even if you knew there was still a chance you could help them? :blink

I don't understand why people can't grasp this simple fact about Naruto wanting to "save" Sasuke other than they do not share his idea of love and loyalty.
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I always thought that was armor. :oh
Well there really is nothing wrong with wanting to save sasuke, in fact its honorable. But when you try to save that person 3 times and he clearly imply that he doesn't need a saving or wants to come back, you eventually have to at least stop.

[LiL_JiRiyAya]

Danzou is still mysterious, no matter what we say won't solve the situation any further, all these assumptions about him being madara might be true but no-one actualli knows.....

will have to wait until the kage summit

[THM Nindo]

Just thought about it!
We will get another Sharingan vs Sharingan fight !! :tem

And this time it will be MS vs MS!! Interesting, isn't!? :D

We still don't know the strenght of Danzou's MS (He must at least have MS), but I doubt it can rivalize with Sasuke's for the simple reason : Danzou is not a Uchiha.

Just like Kakashi can rivalize against a Uchiha whose body is made specially for the Sharingan power, Danzou shouldn't be able to do it neither...

Well, I'm saying this, but if Danzou had the MS for 30 years already, he might just have mastered some new techniques that Sasuke don't know, so he might be able to put up quite a fight.

I wonder if anyone else knew about the Sharingan...
I can't imagine Sandaime not knowing... I'm sure he knew...

[-SageNaruto-28]

i can't wait for the kage submit, i wanna see danzou and madara there so u guys could say "ohhh madara is not danzou after all"

the votes for hokage better hurry up, i dont like danzou as hokage, he looks evil!!! lol

[elitefox]

Well there really is nothing wrong with wanting to save sasuke, in fact its honorable. But when you try to save that person 3 times and he clearly imply that he doesn't need a saving or wants to come back, you eventually have to at least stop.

Naruto and Sasuke doesn't know how to hold back :D

[WhiteRyu]

Those things are just his armor. If you look carefully you will see that those "screws" are attached to metal plates which run along the length of his arms and legs to provide protection. (Something tells me they can be detached as well.)

I know I was one of the first people to say that Danzou was Madara but now all of that seems too simple and especially easy after the latest big reveal.

I now think that Danzou is an Uchiha and is related to Tobi, neither of which are Madara but instead descendants of Madara and that Tobi plans to use Sasuke to kill Danzou at the Kage Summit, since he knows of him and is Tobi's longtime enemy.

Either way I think Danzou will die or lose the vote for Hokage to Naruto.

[fassie]

It is so obvious that Madara and Danzo are brothers. Danzo and Madara exchange eyes and Danzo betrayed Madara. That is why Madara wants revenge. Just like Itachi protecting the village even refusing to capture Naruto and Sasuke wanting to destroy the village for self justification. We will see how this plays out

[-SageNaruto-28]

Just thought about it!
We will get another Sharingan vs Sharingan fight !! :tem

And this time it will be MS vs MS!! Interesting, isn't!? :D

We still don't know the strenght of Danzou's MS (He must at least have MS), but I doubt it can rivalize with Sasuke's for the simple reason : Danzou is not a Uchiha.

Just like Kakashi can rivalize against a Uchiha whose body is made specially for the Sharingan power, Danzou shouldn't be able to do it neither...

Well, I'm saying this, but if Danzou had the MS for 30 years already, he might just have mastered some new techniques that Sasuke don't know, so he might be able to put up quite a fight.

I wonder if anyone else knew about the Sharingan...
I can't imagine Sandaime not knowing... I'm sure he knew...

we dont know if danzou is an uchiha or not yet. is that an opinion or theory??

[THM Nindo]

we dont know if danzou is an uchiha or not yet. is that an opinion or theory??

... You think Danzou is a Uchiha?

Seriously, he's hiding is eye the same way that Kakashi is hinding his eye, because it can't be dispelled.
His Sharingan was obviously the result of some implant.

[elitefox]

Just thought about it!
We will get another Sharingan vs Sharingan fight !! :tem

And this time it will be MS vs MS!! Interesting, isn't!? :D

We still don't know the strenght of Danzou's MS (He must at least have MS), but I doubt it can rivalize with Sasuke's for the simple reason : Danzou is not a Uchiha.

Just like Kakashi can rivalize against a Uchiha whose body is made specially for the Sharingan power, Danzou shouldn't be able to do it neither...

Well, I'm saying this, but if Danzou had the MS for 30 years already, he might just have mastered some new techniques that Sasuke don't know, so he might be able to put up quite a fight.

I wonder if anyone else knew about the Sharingan...
I can't imagine Sandaime not knowing... I'm sure he knew...

Really depends on the user actually, uchiha was always born with huge chakra and kakashi's only problem is chakra runs out, but if danzou have huge chakra, he will be able to extend the usage of it. Like if naruto will gain sharingan(which is unlikable), naruto will definite much able to use it more than sasuke since he has twice as much chakra than sasuke, though I doubt he will learn some ms techs since his IQ level is somewhat below the uchihas

[Essence]

It is so obvious that Madara and Danzo are brothers. Danzo and Madara exchange eyes and Danzo betrayed Madara. That is why Madara wants revenge. Just like Itachi protecting the village even refusing to capture Naruto and Sasuke wanting to destroy the village for self justification. We will see how this plays out

umm now tell me how is Danzou being madara brother obvious. first of all, madara brother died way before the founding of konoha and madara took his eyes, also theres no evidence that say that you could trade eyes to get Ems. Plus if danzou was madara brother, he would be far more older but since danzou seems to be around Sandaime age, he would be a child during the founding of konoha.

[Grizz]

will have to wait until the kage summit


Well some people are suggetsing that Danzou is either Tobi or Obito.. there is absolutely no way possible he can be Obito because no one could have survived that hge rockslide and plus look at the state his body was afterwards, it was obvious that he was going to die few minutes afterwards anyways. and besides if Danzou was Obito like most people are saying then, i really think Kakashi would have probably felt something, but still it wouldnt make any sense, because Danzou can still use his left, so that conclusion about him being Obito wouldnt add up because we all know that Kakashi has the left of the eye, so he should be blind... but i know he's dead.

Whereas Danzou being Madara is an issue which hasn't been resolved yet, after chapter 453 we all thought that after Zetsu said that Danzou had become Hokage to tobi, that would have cleared things up about the arguement which we have all been having, but maybe Tobi just say "I thought as much" about him being chosen to be Hokage as a plan to foll sasuke, but we have yet to know anything else at the moment... someone yesterday said that Danzou has metal on his right, well if he does and he is madara, then that would explain how he managed to block suigetsu's attack with that arm then... It's still quite nmysterious, but we need to keep in mind that it might be a possible that Danzou and Uchiha Madara might be related or something if they aren't the same person. Well compare to all other Uchiha's we have seen used the sharingan, they seem to look perfectly fine when they use the normal sharingan, but Danzou seems to have strains in his eye, which might mean that, he's either not an Uchiha or maybe that eye implanted inside of him just like with Kakashi and that could explain why he isnt capable to use it too often.

[Konoha Hurricane]

Well there really is nothing wrong with wanting to save sasuke, in fact its honorable. But when you try to save that person 3 times and he clearly imply that he doesn't need a saving or wants to come back, you eventually have to at least stop.

I kinda agree, but Naruto definitely won't stop now especially since it was something that Itachi entrusted him to do.

I honestly don't think there's any issue with breaking a promise to Sakura, she can go to hell, but Itachi.. that's one you want to honor. It's also something that Naruto has to see through for Jiraiya's sake. It was always Jiraiya's wish to somehow save Orochimaru who was his friend and it's something he regretted not being able to do.

What Naruto is doing now has become about much more than just Sasuke. It's become about whether Naruto can rise to meet his own almost impossible standards and if he'll make sure that his word when he tells someone he'll do something is completely absolute.

[-SageNaruto-28]

It is so obvious that Madara and Danzo are brothers. Danzo and Madara exchange eyes and Danzo betrayed Madara. That is why Madara wants revenge. Just like Itachi protecting the village even refusing to capture Naruto and Sasuke wanting to destroy the village for self justification. We will see how this plays out

Good theory but the time line doesn't match.. madara is obviously alot older then danzou. and why would madara want revenge by whipping out the village. when he could off just send a member of akatsuki to do the job

[elitefox]

umm now tell me how is Danzou being madara brother obvious. first of all, madara brother died way before the founding of konoha and madara took his eyes, also theres no evidence that say that you could trade eyes to get Ems. Plus if danzou was madara brother, he would be far more older but since danzou seems to be around Sandaime age, he would be a child during the founding of konoha.

And I don't think madara's brother can be defeated by sandaime if they really exchange eyes:darn

[Konoha Hurricane]

Why do people keep saying Danzou was defeated by the third? I've never seen it stated anywhere that he was defeated by the third only that he was once direct opposition to the third for the title of third.

[Moon Stricken]

Well, I have a scanlation of 399 but I can't find it online. I definitely remember either getting it here or at MT. So I can't prove it as of yet, But regardless, I stick to my point.

If that was the case, Then why would the Elders go along with Tsunade when they clearly though she was wrong? If they have the power to oppose the rule of the Hokage, Why waste their time trying to convice Tsunade to keep Naruto in the village. Why would Danzo work so hard to be Hokage if he would have less power then now? If that was the case, Then it wouldn't matter who was the Hokage, Since they could just make decisions on their own. Even using your example, The President still has the last say in matters of state. He can veto any order he finds unreasonable.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/16/

Here is 399. Clearly states the Elders and Danzo did not listen to Sarutobi.

The Elders act as advisors, they will try and persuade Tsunade into acting upon the opinions they hold. The villagers listen to the Hokage. And for the record, the Elders have opposed Tsuande's orders, but she went right along and did it anyway, even if it did break protocol. Danzo obviously would want to be Hokage because the Elders side with his philosophy most of the time. It is like a Republican being President when the Republicans are in control of Congress. Basically anything he proposes will be okay with the majority. Sarutobi was a Democratic president during a Republican controlled congress. Make sense?


Except that only the Hokage gives orders to Anbu, Which is what Itachi was at the time.

You are not getting what i am saying. Itachi was involved with ANBU AFTER he was given orders to watch the Uchiha clan. He in turn just gave information the the higher ups (The Elders, Danzou) on the Uchiha clans dealings. He took orders from the higher ups before ANBU. He was just following the chain of command, like a good shinobi should do.


It's not manipulation if someone chooses to do it. Itachi chose to give Konoha info and then chose to kill his clan to preserve the peace. He knew full well what he was doing. He wanted to maintain the peace and this was the best way. Manipulation implies that he was tricked and that wasn't true.

Itachi was manipulated. His emotions were manipulated. Do you think a 13 or so year old kid's first choice would be to wipe out his entire clan? No. Instead, he was told that the only way that Konoha would be at peace is if they were eliminated. He was manipulated in to thinking this was the only answer to the problem, while all the while Sarutobi was looking to resolve the situation diplomatically. Manipulation doesnt have to mean he was tricked, just more like influenced enough into believing that killing his own clan was the ONLY way.


That doesn't change the fact that the Hokage is the absolute power in the village.

No, the Hokage is not the absolute power. The Hokage is the figure head, but just like in politics there are other powers at work that influence Konoha. The Daimyo is the absolute power.


So Sabutori just cover the whole thing up and let Danzo and the Elders be? Sabutori could have arrested them without revealing what they had did. Or he could have removed them from positions of power. Anything other them just letting them get away with it. What about the damage it would do when it came out that he covered it up? If they did it without his knowledge, How could he ever trust them again? We've seen that the Hokage possess the power to overrule the Elders' decisions. I would trust what I've seen first hand over what I've seen from a third person source.

Yes, because arresting the higher ups wouldn't cause a scene at all in the village. :/

You arrest the higher ups, and people will ask questions. The Uchiha's were massacred, and then Sarutobi arrests the Elders? Yeah that would look good. Fact of the matter is, the Elders were Sarutobi's teammates, he respected them. Obviously he disagreed with the actions taken against the Uchihas, but once again a village in chaos would cause more problems. Sarutobi has a flaw, and that is he is too lenient, or so the Elders believe. However, he is basically just employing the same philosophy that Naruto is now.

We have also seen The Elders overrule the Hokage. You can read the manga, and get your "first person" view there too.

[Essence]

And I don't think madara's brother can be defeated by sandaime if they really exchange eyes:darn

well just now it came to me that they couldn't have exchange eyes because madara EMS is a combination of his MS and his brother MS

[Grizz]

The Elders act as advisors, they will try and persuade Tsunade into acting upon the opinions they hold. The villagers listen to the Hokage. And for the record, the Elders have opposed Tsuande's orders, but she went right along a did, even if it did break protocol. Danzo obviously would want to be Hokage because the Elders side with his philosophy most of the time. It is like a Republican being President when the Republicans are in control of Congress. Basically anything he proposes will be okay with the majority. Sarutobi was a Democratic president during a Republican controlled congress. Make sense?



You are not getting what i am saying. Itachi was involved with ANBU AFTER he was given orders to watch the Uchiha clan. He in turn just gave information the the higher ups (The Elders, Danzou) on the Uchiha clans dealings. He took orders from the higher ups before ANBU. He was just following the chain of command, like a good shinobi should do.



Itachi was manipulated. His emotions were manipulated. Do you think a 13 or so year old kid's first choice would be to wipe out his entire clan? No. Instead, he was told that the only way that Konoha would be at peace is if they were eliminated. He was manipulated in to thinking this was the only answer to the problem, while all the while Sarutobi was looking to resolve the situation diplomatically. Manipulation doesnt have to mean he was tricked, just more like influenced enough into believing that killing his own clan was the ONLY way.



No, the Hokage is not the absolute power. The Hokage is the figure head, but just like in politics there are other powers at work that influence Konoha. The Daimyo is the absolute power.



Yes, because arresting the higher ups wouldn't cause a scene at all in the village. :/

You arrest the higher ups, and people will ask questions. The Uchiha's were massacred, and then Sarutobi arrests the Elders? Yeah that would look good. Fact of the matter is, the Elders were Sarutobi's teammates, he respected them. Obviously he disagreed with the actions taken against the Uchihas, but once again a village in chaos would cause more problems. Sarutobi has a flaw, and that is he is too lenient, or so the Elders believe. However, he is basically just employing the same philosophy that Naruto is now.

We have also seen The Elders overrule the Hokage. You can read the manga, and get your "first person" view there too.


Right on..

[Montai]

... You think Danzou is a Uchiha?

Seriously, he's hiding is eye the same way that Kakashi is hinding his eye, because it can't be dispelled.
His Sharingan was obviously the result of some implant.

Everyone would know that he has the Sharigan if he didn't cover it up.



For fun, lets say that Dandou (Is it Danzo, or Danzou?) is Madara. Now that Nagato has used his Gedo Rinne Tensei for the sake of the village and not Madara, now he has to rely on Kabuto to patch him up... Why couldn't he had just gone to Kabuto any other time to fix his jacked up eye and arm?

Also, the way Madara wobbles about sometimes makes me wonder too.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/407/15/

Look at the last panel.

You see what I'm trying to say?

[Kage Level]

are all of you forgetting that Danzou wants to quiet Kabuto for his knowledge of Oro's research? it's obvious that Oro had something to do with Danzou having the sharingan. it could probably be why Uchiha was really ordered to be massacred because Danzou wanted more power since he couldn't best the Third. i don't for one second believe Danzou is an Uchiha.

[Grizz]

Good point...

[Konoha Hurricane]

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000281/16.jpg

Also Danzou first appeared just a mere single page after this scene with Deidara and Madara, but I still have a strong feeling that something very tricky is going on here which is why I won't immediately dismiss the possibility of them being the same person. I also won't overlook Danzou's incredible praise of just how strong a shinobi Sai is.

[Grizz]

Yeah we shoudnt come to conclusions just yet..

[Essence]

No, the Hokage is not the absolute power. The Hokage is the figure head, but just like in politics there are other powers at work that influence Konoha. The Daimyo is the absolute power.





Well i wouldn't say the hokage is a figure head, a figure head would be like the queen of england, while she is the queen, she has no direct involvement in overseeing the country, only the prime minister do so. But a hokage does get to make decision, they are in charge of assigning missions, filing important papers and also diplomatic resolution, plus they oversee almost everything in the village. The elders are there to advise, while they may have certain degree of power, the hokage is not responsible for answering to them and also the hokage is the executive power of konoha.



I kinda agree, but Naruto definitely won't stop now especially since it was something that Itachi entrusted him to do.

I honestly don't think there's any issue with breaking a promise to Sakura, she can go to hell, but Itachi.. that's one you want to honor. It's also something that Naruto has to see through for Jiraiya's sake. It was always Jiraiya's wish to somehow save Orochimaru who was his friend and it's something he regretted not being able to do.

What Naruto is doing now has become about much more than just Sasuke. It's become about whether Naruto can rise to meet his own almost impossible standards and if he'll make sure that his word when he tells someone he'll do something is completely absolute.

well i agree with that too but naruto goes at it irrational for me, with learning the knowledge that sasuke is an akatsuki, he should be out there to stop him and bring him back before sasuke goes to the point of no return, plus he let himself get beatup over the guy and now he wants to go give the guy a pardon. That's just obssesive. I feel like at this point if sasuke were to attack konha, naruto would still forgive him.

[fassie]

If you follow that twisted story of Madara you would believe that lie. Madara tell Sauske a twisted tale to win him over. Madara’s brother was almost his equal if not better than him. I don’t see how he would simpy die when both were the same in strength. They were going blind from using the MS and they found a way to stop the blindness by exchanging eyes. My personal opinion is that Madara brother move up the ranks and Madara did not which cause a riff. Remember Madara also cover up his eyes..

Itachi's story is more of the truth and madara's brother was younger than Sandaime so it safe save to say that Danzo is Madara’s brother.

read this for proof>

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/05/
:tem

[elitefox]

Well i wouldn't say the hokage is a figure head, a figure head would be like the queen of england, while she is the queen, she has no direct involvement in overseeing the country, only the prime minister do so. But a hokage does get to make decision, they are in charge of assigning missions, filing important papers and also diplomatic resolution, plus they oversee almost everything in the village. The elders are there to advise, while they may have certain degree of power, the hokage is not responsible for answering to them and also the hokage is the executive power of konoha.




well i agree with that too but naruto goes at it irrational for me, with learning the knowledge that sasuke is an akatsuki, he should be out there to stop him and bring him back before sasuke goes to the point of no return, plus he let himself get beatup over the guy and now he wants to go give the guy a pardon. That's just obssesive. I feel like at this point if sasuke were to attack konha, naruto would still forgive him.

more like a general or secretary of defense I think

[Mandala]

it would be insane, if Madaras eye of the moon plan, was a way to get both Danzous and Kakashis eyes, becoming even more bad ass.

More importantly, anybody think Naruto and Sasuke will meet up at the summit?

[Moon Stricken]

Well i wouldn't say the hokage is a figure head, a figure head would be like the queen of england, while she is the queen, she has no direct involvement in overseeing the country, only the prime minister do so. But a hokage does get to make decision, they are in charge of assigning missions, filing important papers and also diplomatic resolution, plus they oversee almost everything in the village. The elders are there to advise, while they may have certain degree of power, the hokage is not responsible for answering to them and also the hokage is the executive power of konoha.


Yes, maybe a figure head is too subtle. The Hokage does hold some power, but it would seem that the Elders and advisors have more influence in terms of politics. And with the chapters i've read, the Advisors/Elders have a lot of influence in Konoha and with the Hokage. They make demands just as much as the hokage does.

[Grizz]

Wll we kind of knew Madara was telling lies to sasuke to believe him, i know everyone seems to be saying that Madara and his brother exchanged eye, but how can that be possible, aint gaining the EMS means that you have to keep the other person's eye even though i don't know how that quite worksout.... but i find a bit weird they would have xchanged eyes..

[Essence]

If you follow that twisted story of Madara you would believe that lie. Madara tell Sauske a twisted tale to win him over. Madara’s brother was almost his equal if not better than him. I don’t see how he would simpy die when both were the same in strength. They were going blind from using the MS and they found a way to stop the blindness by exchanging eyes. My personal opinion is that Madara brother move up the ranks and Madara did not which cause a riff. Remember Madara also cover up his eyes..

Itachi's story is more of the truth and madara's brother was younger than Sandaime so it safe save to say that Danzo is Madara’s brother.

read this for proof>

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/05/
:tem

here we go again, they couldn't have exchange eyes and i will show you why

Madara Ms
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mangekyou_Sharingan_Madara.svg
Madara brother MS
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mangekyou_Sharingan_Izuna.svg
Madara Ems
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mangekyou_Sharingan_Madara_(Eternal).svg

Okay now when you look at madara EMS, you will see its a combination of both madara ms and his brother ms which mean they couldn't have exchange eyes.:p

[Kusachu]

Well there really is nothing wrong with wanting to save sasuke, in fact its honorable. But when you try to save that person 3 times and he clearly imply that he doesn't need a saving or wants to come back, you eventually have to at least stop.

You've forgotten to put the timeline into context with your argument. There was NO bringing Sasuke back prior to the death of Itachi because Saskue would never have been able to live his life while Itachi still lived. Naruto has even said he understood that. HOWEVER, things are different now. Itachi is dead. Naruto has NO IDEA what has happened to Sasuke, but he has faith that Sasuke isn't an evil psychopath the likes of which would want to join Akatsuki, the group that his hated brother was a part of. So what should Naruto believe? He loves Sasuke, he's not going to just turn his back on him before he knows for sure there is no hope left at all, and I don't think he will ever believe there is no hope. And you've also forgotten that Jiraiya tried to tell Naruto the same thing you are saying and Naruto himself has already said why he will never stop. He'd rather be a fool than give up. This is the essance of Naruto and what made him "the child of prophesy".

[TheOneElectric]

Hey, easily impressed people!!!

Stop focusing on the Sharingan! Focus on who is attacking Danzou. They look as if they have masks on. It would be foolish for a foreign nation to attack right before a summit. It could and possibly most likely is a resistance group from Konoha, meaning that the citizens of Konoha are willing to physically challange Danzou's appointment to Hokage.

[xaither]

can you actrually see danzou as being tobi and his carefree childish attitude, i can't.. danzou is not madara and the eye was prob implanted, i think that danzou was jelous of the uchia's and he felt that the sharingan should be is and only so he eliminated them and then took an eye for himself lol =P greedy

[fassie]

exchaning eyes makes sense. They were close and they mastered the MS without killing their best friends. now that is, why I think Danzo will use the MS ... Like Sasuke vs itachi

Brother vs Brother (Danzo vs Madara)

[Essence]

Yes, maybe a figure head is too subtle. The Hokage does hold some power, but it would seem that the Elders and advisors have more influence in terms of politics. And with the chapters i've read, the Advisors/Elders have a lot of influence in Konoha and with the Hokage. They make demands just as much as the hokage does.

well on that note i say you are right the elders do hold an influence in power and i think they might be able to override the hokage decision with the approval of the daimyo but still i think when individually compare to hokage, there power is far less than balance and check.


exchaning eyes makes sense. They were close and they mastered the MS without killing their best friends. now that is, why I think Danzo will use the MS ... Like Sasuke vs itachi

Brother vs Brother (Danzo vs Madara)
huh didn't you read my previous post on why they couldn't have exchange eyes
here it is again

Madara Ms
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma...gan_Madara.svg
Madara brother MS
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma...ngan_Izuna.svg
Madara Ems
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma..._(Eternal).svg

Okay now when you look at madara EMS, you will see its a combination of both madara ms and his brother ms which mean they couldn't have exchange eyes.

[Kusachu]

Everyone would know that he has the Sharigan if he didn't cover it up.



For fun, lets say that Dandou (Is it Danzo, or Danzou?) is Madara. Now that Nagato has used his Gedo Rinne Tensei for the sake of the village and not Madara, now he has to rely on Kabuto to patch him up... Why couldn't he had just gone to Kabuto any other time to fix his jacked up eye and arm?

Also, the way Madara wobbles about sometimes makes me wonder too.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/407/15/

Look at the last panel.

You see what I'm trying to say?

Danzou is the Japanese spelling, Danzo is the romaniztion of it, like Pein/Pain, Chouji/Choji, etc. In Japanese the "u" actually has a tiny and almost insignifigant sound, so the romaization just drops it to simplify I guess.

[Black Lagoon]

seems everyone can get Sharingan.
I really wonder if animals can get Sharingan too?

even if I've expected this to be this way

[Essence]

You've forgotten to put the timeline into context with your argument. There was NO bringing Sasuke back prior to the death of Itachi because Saskue would never have been able to live his life while Itachi still lived. Naruto has even said he understood that. HOWEVER, things are different now. Itachi is dead. Naruto has NO IDEA what has happened to Sasuke, but he has faith that Sasuke isn't an evil psychopath the likes of which would want to join Akatsuki, the group that his hated brother was a part of. So what should Naruto believe? He loves Sasuke, he's not going to just turn his back on him before he knows for sure there is no hope left at all, and I don't think he will ever believe there is no hope. And you've also forgotten that Jiraiya tried to tell Naruto the same thing you are saying and Naruto himself has already said why he will never stop. He'd rather be a fool than give up. This is the essance of Naruto and what made him "the child of prophesy".

Okay who's to say that sasuke will come back without his revenge on Danzou? also you spell essence wrong, i feel insulted lol.

[Mandala]

I think that both versions (Itachis and Madaras) when spliced together, are accurate. How on Itachis vision to Sasuke, only showed Madara taking one eye, and in some way they both lied to Sasuke. Itachi did it to protect him, while Madara is using it to manipulate him.


Also looking at the features of both Danzous and Madaras Brother, they do kind of match. The lips specifically.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/9/90/Danzo_during_the_2nd_Great_War.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/b/bc/Izuna_Uchiha2.jpg

[Konoha Hurricane]

Exactly Montai, it isn't the first time we've seen that wobble. That right there alone has me very suspicious and it's starting to make me think more than ever that Danzou truly may be Madara.

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000028417/02.jpg

Here it is yet again. What the hell is up with that damn wobble?

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000357/09.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000357/10.jpg

There is something strange with that "body" if it's even a body at all and not just something else entirely.

[Moon Stricken]

well on that note i say you are right the elders do hold an influence in power and i think they might be able to override the hokage decision with the approval of the daimyo but still i think when individually compare to hokage, there power is far less than balance and check.

But what is power really? The Elders and Danzou are higher ups and therefore can hand out orders to Jonin and other shinobi. They could create secret missions that could go undetected by the Hokage. They also don't receive the blame if things go awry, the Hokage does. This is why i do believe they performed some sort of subterfuge against Sarutobi and acted on their own beliefs without gaining approval with Sarutobi when dealing with the Uchiha clan massacre. The Elders tried to get Sarutobi to believe that this was the way, and when he refused, they took matters into their own hands. They put Sarutobi in the worst situation.

[Kusachu]

Okay who's to say that sasuke will come back without his revenge on Danzou? also you spell essence wrong, i feel insulted lol.

:eyeroll Who IS to say? Does that mean Naruto shouldn't try to find out what happened to him and/or try to help him? And Naruto doesn't know anything about Sasuke's revenge on Danzou in the first place, all he knows is that Sasuke is working with Akatsuki, who happens to want to kill him and take over the world using the bijuu's power. Why would Sasuke want to do a thing like that if he's lived his whole life only to kill Itachi and has apparently succeeded? What are Sasuke's goals now? I bet Naruto really wants to know, just like he wanted to know about Pein and why he did what he did, and look how well that all turned out.

And you didn't capitalize Sasuke. Now I feel insulted. :eyeroll

[edgarluvitug]

ITALIAN TRANSLATION
Credits: serenity85



Naruto spoiler 455: Legami


Danzo: "Huu, Toneru rimani indietro. Terai, lascio Kabuto a te. Vai"
3 Ambu: "Si, Signore"

Danzo: "Bene è l'ora... Partirò per l'incontro dei Kage"
Danzou: "Al ritrovo è vietato partecipare a tutti tranne che a due uomini di fiducia scelti da ogni Kage. Pensavo a un paio di Ambu. Lascio il compito a te, le maschere sono proibite. Fagliele levare"

I due Ambu si tolgono le maschere.
Uno, di nome Huu, assomiglia a Preta Pain, l'altro, di nome Torune, indossa un mantello aperto solo all' altezza degli occhi.
Tutti e due indossano le uniformi da Shinobi.

Huu: "Quanto dobbiamo armarci per fare da scorta?"
Danzou: "Non mi importa di queste cose. Huu lascio fare a te"
Huu: "Si, signore"
Danzou: "Torune tu tieni un occhio sui subordinati. Sai si comporta come se potesse tradire gli Ambu. Fai attenzione"
Torune: "Si, signore"
Danzo: "E non lasciate che la forza portante del Kyuubi lasci il villaggio. Accertatevi di questo"

Si passa a Naruto
Karui: "Haa, haa."
Karui è affaticata dal cammino.
La faccia di Naruto è stata pestata a sangue, ma ancora si alza in piedi senza problemi.
Sai stà ancora guardando
Omoi: "..."
Karui: "Te l'ho detto prima! Non importa cosa facciamo, i nostri sentimenti non spariranno. Continuerà all'inifito fino a che parlerai riguardo a sasuke"
Karui alza la sua mano: "Uaaa"
Sai appare di fronte a Naruto e ferma il colpo di Karui.
Naruto, Karui and Omoi: !! !!? ...
Karui: "Fuori dai piedi. Stò facendo solo quello che il ragazzo mi ha chiesto!"
Sai le lascia la mano.
Naruto: "Sai... Fatti da parte"

Sai, un pò turbato,: "Naruto non è necessario che tu ti faccia ridurre così per qualcuno come sasuke"
Naruto: "Stai zitto... è il mio modo di fare le cose"
Sai ricorda le parole di Naruto: "Tempo fa, odiavo tutto di sasuke, ma poi con tutto il tempo passato assieme... mi sono accorto che era divertente passare del tempo assieme perchè sasuke era mio amico... perchè finalmente ero stato in grado di creare un legame"
Sai: "sasuke... forse non ti ha già ferito?... Se fossi stato io..."
Karui: "Se vuoi metterti tra i piedi, vuol dire che le prenderai anche tu"
Karui si prepara a dargli un pugno ma Omoi la ferma.
Omoi: "Ora stai esagerando Karui. Non andremo da nessuna parte picchiando questi ragazza. Tu più di ttti dovresti capire. Ci ha promesso di venire con noi a recuperare il maestro Bee"
Karui: "E allora?" Credi veramente che la promessa fosse sincera? Questo non è da te che sei sempre molto attento..."
Naruto si siede.
Sai: "Naruto..."
Omoi guarda verso Naruto.
Omoi: "Ti sei spinto così' lontano e non hai barattato un tuo amico... anche se è un nemico.
Mi piaccion i ragazzi così che non parlano alla leggera"
Omoi: "Non importa quanto lo potrai colpire, questo ragazzo non svenderà sasuke. E' il tipo di persona che non si rimangia la paroal data."
Samui: "Omoi, Karui che cosa avete raccolto dalla vostra ricerca di informazioni?"
Omoi: "Ah! Capitano Samui"
Karui: !
Samui: "Vi avevo detto che non avrebbero dovuto esserci problemi o altro"
Karui: "..."
Omoi: "Ma la cosa più importante è che abbiamo saputo che Bee potrebbe ancora essero vivo. Andiamo a salvarlo. Cerchiamo il nascondiglio dell'akatsuki e accerchiamoli"
Samui: "E poi che faremo...? contro coloro che hanno rapito killer bee... noi da sole non... Inoltre non sappiamo quanti nascondigli abbia l'akatsuki."
Samui:"Per prima cosa, analizziamo le informazioni che abbiamo raccolto e facciamolo in fretta.
Non voglio che si ripetano gli stessi errori fatti con Yugito"
Samui: "Porteremo le informazioni al Raikage in persona. Abbiamo troppe informazioni"
Naruto: "Anche io... vogio venire. Portatemi con voi per favore."
Naruto: "Vi supporterò nel vostro lavoro... sarò una mano in più"
Sai: "Naruto!"
Naruto: "Inoltre... il raikage... c'è qualcosa che voglio discutere con lui"
Karui: "Il raikage? Non scherzare con noi, idiota"
Sai ferma Karui che sembrava voler colpire Naruto ancora
Samui, mentre guarda Naruto: "Questo ragazzo è Naruto... Colui di cui tutta Konoha stà parlando... Uzumaki Naruto"
Samui ricorda una conversazione tra i cittadini di Konoha.
Cittadino 1: "Naruto è veramente andato lontano"
Cittadino 2: "E' un eroe! Un giorno sarà Hokage"

Samui: "Non posso farlo... portare qualcuno che non conosco dal raikage quando sono a corto di uomini per sorvegliarti mentre ci muoviamo"
Naruto: "..."
Samui: "Karui, Omoi, andiamo" Abbiamo avuto il permesso di avere le informazioni su sasuke e l'akatsuki. Trascriverle prenderà tempo. Ho bisogno di voi"
Omoi, Karui e Samui se ne vanno

Naruto: "Sai..."
Sai: "Cosa?"
Naruto: "Dove sono kakashi sensei e il capitano Yamato. Portami da loro per favore"

Si passa alla tenda di Kakashi e Yamato
Kakashi e Yamato stanno guardando fuori.
Sai: "Sarebbe meglio se sakura-san si prendessa cura di lui"
Naruto: "Se mi vedesse così le cose si complicherebbero di nuovo e inoltre le mie ferite guariscono presto per cui va bene così"
Naruto: "Sai.. a proposito... scusa per prima"
Sai sorridendo: "Nah..."

Kakashi: "Qualcuno te le ha suonate eh?"
Naruto: "Heheh..."
Kakashi si ricorda della sua conversazione con Sai.
Kakashi: "Veramente... Naruto ha fatto qualcosa del genere"
Sai: "Kakashi-sensei?"
Kakashi: "Hmm?"
Sai: "Il legame che hanno Sakura e Naruto con sasuke... il legame che li tormenta così tanto... è così importante per loro? Perchè quei due si spingono così lontano anche se sono feriti..."
Kakashi: "Sai... Ti è stato detto di tenere d'occhio Naruto non è vero?"
Sai: "...E'... E' così!"
Kakashi: "E' tutto a posto sai.. lo sapvo. Andare in aiuto di Naruto non è stato qualcosa che hai fatto perchè lo stavi tenendo dìocchio. Anche voi due state lentamente legando. Sai"
Kakashi e Yamato guardano Naruto e Sai.
Sai stà medicando le ferite di Naruto
Naruto: "Ow, ow, ow, ow"
Sai: "S... Scusa..."
Kakashi: "Dobbiamo riposarci un pò... anche se per poco"
Naruto: "Lasciatemi incontrare il Raikage"

Kakashi e Yamato: !?
Kakashi: "E quando lo incontrerai, che gli dirai?"
Yamato: "Il meeting dei 5 kage stà per iniziare. E' stato deciso che anche i villaggi più isolati sono tenuti a non mandare nessuno in missione o fuori dal villaggio"
Naruto: "Devo convinceli a perdonare sasuke"
Yamato: "Ora che non abbiamo più neppure il tuo ciondolo come puoi aspettarti di poter esser mandato fuori dal villaggio?"
Yamato: "E inoltre.. ti sei trasformato in kyuubi come riesce a fare l'hachiobi! Sei stato fortunato che il sigillo restrittivo si è attivato e ti ha aiutato, ma cosa dovrebbe succedere se ti accadesse di nuovo? Inoltre mi hanno messo a ricostruire il villaggio... non potrei essere sempre con te"
Naruto: "Ho incontrato il 4° hokage..."
Sai, Kakashi e Yamato: !!??
Naruto: "Colui che ha fermato il Kyuubi per me è stato il 4° hokage"
Yamato: "Cosa stai dicendo.. il 4° hokage è..."
Kakashi: "Lo Shikihuujin è ancora oggi un jutsu sigillante attorniato da molti misteri. In quel jutsu, la propria energia spirituale viene sigillata dentro allo stesso sigillo"
Naruto: "...Quando successe... Il 4 mi disse una cosa... che quando il Kyuubi attaccò 16anni fa, fù a causa di quell'uomo mascherato dell'akatsuki. E inoltre mi disse che quel tizio era così forte che neppure lui stesso riuscì a batterlo"
Il viso di Tobi scorre nella mente di Kakashi
Naruto: "Il 4° hokage ha detto che è quell'uomo a tirare tutte le file"
Naruto: "Pain è stato usato da quell'uomo!"
Naruto: "E anche l'entrata nell'akatsuki da parte di sasuke è stato tutto un piano di quell'uomo"
Kakashi: "E' come Jiraya-sama temeva... l'incidente di 16 anni fa... Quindi è stata colpa sua. Di colui che possedeva lo Sharingan. Aveva del risentimento nei confronti del villaggio e si allontanò da esso. L' Uchiha dietro a tutto questo... è Madara"
Yamato: "Quando sento Madara... non importa che cosa, perché non è strano... che è in vita ..."

Naruto ricorda cosa gli disse il Kyuubi"
Kyubi: "Il potere di quegli occhi... un chakra più sinistro anche del mio stesso chakra... proprio come quelli di Uchiha Madara"
Naruto: "Chi è questo Madara?"
Kakashi: "Combattè con il primo hokage. Morì di una morte onorevole e fù il primo leader del clan Uchiha"
Kakashi: "Questa informazione necessità di essere fatta sapere a tutti. Sai!"
Sai: "Si..."
Kakashi: "Contatta il secondo in comando come Hokage"
Sai: "Ah... Si!
Kakashi: "Naruto! Cosa ti ha detto il 4° hokage poi?
Kakashi ricorda suo padre: "Un padre vorrebbe dire molte cose a suo figlio"
Naruto: !!
Naruto sorride...
Naruto poi porta le lenzuola sopra la sua testa (è a letto ricordate)
Naruto ancora ridendo dice :" Ha deetto... ha dett che ha fiducia in me... che crede in me"
Kakashi: " va bene!"
Kakashi: "Andrai dove si trova il raikage! Naruto, io e Yamato saremo la tua scorta"
Yamato: "Eh...!!"

Cambio di scena.
Degli shinobi stanno seguendo Danzou
Torune: "Danzo"
Danzo: "Umhm"
Danzo: "E' passato un pò da un vero combattimento. Sarà un buon esercizio per me per rimettere in sesto questo vecchio corpo addormentato"

Lo shinobi sconosciuto attacca Danzou.
Danzou si toglie la benda dall'occhio destro
Danzou."Torune, Huu, non muovetevi ci penso io"
Nell'occhio sinistro Danzou tira fuori lo Sharingan.

[OneWingAlbatross]

What would be a good prediction is that toby-Madara is not really Madara but Madara's brother, and Danzou is actually Madara. And a feud between Toby-Madara and Danzou-Madara is the source of all the problems Toby-Madara has with Konoha

They both have an eye, so one of them, whoever the younger brother is, stole back on the eyes.

[Black Lagoon]

I'm hoping that Danzou is a "bloodline collector", and he has a bunch of stuff like Kimimaro's bones and Haku's ice jutsu, this would explain why his arm and eye are subject of interest. damn, it would be a pain in ass if he got his hands on the Byakugan AND Sharingan.

[Sunburn74]

does anyone know the chapter in the manga where all the various generation of teacher/student are depicted? there's a chapter that shows the 3rd as the teacher of jiraiya, jiraiya as the teacher of the 4th, the 4th as the teacher of kakashi, and kakashi as the teacher of naruto, but i can't seem to find it right now...

[Essence]

:eyeroll Who IS to say? Does that mean Naruto shouldn't try to find out what happened to him and/or try to help him? And Naruto doesn't know anything about Sasuke's revenge on Danzou in the first place, all he knows is that Sasuke is working with Akatsuki, who happens to want to kill him and take over the world using the bijuu's power. Why would Sasuke want to do a thing like that if he's lived his whole life only to kill Itachi and has apparently succeeded? What are Sasuke's goals now? I bet Naruto really wants to know, just like he wanted to know about Pein and why he did what he did, and look how well that all turned out.

And you didn't capitalize Sasuke. Now I feel insulted. :eyeroll

Well Naruto had to assume that sasuke join Akatsuki for a reason. Also the point i was trying to make is that eventually Naruto will caught up with sasuke and he will know that he want to kill Danzou, now knowing sasuke he didn't listen to naruto during his hunt for itachi, why would he listen to naruto now about Danzou. and as for capitalizing sasuke well even tough i like the guy i really don't feel the need of capitalizng the guy name, hell i don't capitalize most people name, but still at least i spelled it right?right?

[THM Nindo]

huh didn't you read my previous post on why they couldn't have exchange eyes
here it is again

Madara Ms
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma...gan_Madara.svg
Madara brother MS
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma...ngan_Izuna.svg
Madara Ems
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ma..._(Eternal).svg

Okay now when you look at madara EMS, you will see its a combination of both madara ms and his brother ms which mean they couldn't have exchange eyes.


What's your point!? :blink
Your post doesn't proove anything!

I think they could and they should have exchange eyes.
If they didn't do it, it's the biggest plot-hold of this story so far.

[Essence]

What's your point!? :blink
Your post doesn't proove anything!

I think they could and they should have exchange eyes.
If they didn't do it, it's the biggest plot-hold of this story so far.

:blink my point is that they couldn't have exchange eyes because madara Ems is a combination of both his ms and his brother Ms. also why would it be a plot hole?

[seya]

danzou's having a sharigan may explain his obsession with kuybi , he may think that he can control it like madara did.

besides i think that he ordered the massacre of the uchihas to hide the fact that he stole a sharigan and to prevent anyother person than him to control kyubi. But it doesn't work that way, not any sharigan can control the beast.

[THM Nindo]

:blink my point is that they couldn't have exchange eyes because madara Ems is a combination of both his ms and his brother Ms. also why would it be a plot hole?

Because why would Izuna go blind if he could have the EMS instead!?

To get the EMS, you need to take your brother MS eyes.

Now, Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.
What did Madara do with his previous eyes!? He just threw them in the garbage!?
That would be ridiculous.

Of course, he would give them to his brother.
And both of them would have the EMS.

That makes much more sense.
And if that's not the way it happen, that's just stupid.

[Konoha Hurricane]

I'm hoping that Danzou is a "bloodline collector", and he has a bunch of stuff like Kimimaro's bones and Haku's ice jutsu, this would explain why his arm and eye are subject of interest. damn, it would be a pain in ass if he got his hands on the Byakugan AND Sharingan.

Holy crap.. I think you've just solved the mystery.

I believe Sai has already revealed the secret about Danzou in that art book he drew of the 2 young boys. He defeats an enemy and then whatever their weapon was becomes his. I believe Sai never meant himself, but it was his way of revealing secrets about Danzou.

[Kusachu]

Well Naruto had to assume that sasuke join Akatsuki for a reason. Also the point i was trying to make is that eventually Naruto will caught up with sasuke and he will know that he want to kill Danzou, now knowing sasuke he didn't listen to naruto during his hunt for itachi, why would he listen to naruto now about Danzou. and as for capitalizing sasuke well even tough i like the guy i really don't feel the need of capitalizng the guy name, hell i don't capitalize most people name, but still at least i spelled it right?right?


But when/if Naruto finds out about Danzou from Sasuke, the whole game changes because then Naruto and Sasuke will find they share a common enemy. This is most likely how the two will be brought back together. And I sort of forgot what your original point was anyways. Was it just to say that Naruto is dumb for wanting to save Sasuke? If so then, so?

And oh my god, I didn't bother to correct the red spellcheck line under essence before I posted. I must be an idiot and all of my logic fails at my inabilty to spell properly. Whatever shall I do? :eyeroll

[Rikudou King]

The Elders act as advisors, they will try and persuade Tsunade into acting upon the opinions they hold. The villagers listen to the Hokage. And for the record, the Elders have opposed Tsuande's orders, but she went right along and did it anyway, even if it did break protocol. Danzo obviously would want to be Hokage because the Elders side with his philosophy most of the time. It is like a Republican being President when the Republicans are in control of Congress. Basically anything he proposes will be okay with the majority. Sarutobi was a Democratic president during a Republican controlled congress. Make sense? Exactly, There would be no need to persuade Tsunade if they could take actions on their own. There would be no need for Danzo to become Hokage if he could make rulings on his own. What order did the Elders oppose? The one about Naruto? Tsunade forced the Elders to meet her midway.

The problem with your example for your argument is that your implying that Sabutori was outvoted, Which is different from them taking actions behind his back.


[You are not getting what i am saying. Itachi was involved with ANBU AFTER he was given orders to watch the Uchiha clan. He in turn just gave information the the higher ups (The Elders, Danzou) on the Uchiha clans dealings. He took orders from the higher ups before ANBU. He was just following the chain of command, like a good shinobi should do. It was said that his father made him join Anbu and then he started giving info on the Uchihas to Konoha. This point I can actually prove. It was stated in the databooks that the Anbu answers directly to the Hokage and no one else, Which means there is no one else in the chain of command Itachi would have to listen to.


[Itachi was manipulated. His emotions were manipulated. Do you think a 13 or so year old kid's first choice would be to wipe out his entire clan? No. Instead, he was told that the only way that Konoha would be at peace is if they were eliminated. He was manipulated in to thinking this was the only answer to the problem, while all the while Sarutobi was looking to resolve the situation diplomatically. Manipulation doesnt have to mean he was tricked, just more like influenced enough into believing that killing his own clan was the ONLY way. No, A 13 year olds first choice would be to side with his family. Itachi could have just as easily sided with his family. But Itachi understood how things would play out and choose the important side. Itachi wasn't the average child, He was smart enough to be a genius, So I'm sure he knew what was going on.


[No, the Hokage is not the absolute power. The Hokage is the figure head, but just like in politics there are other powers at work that influence Konoha. The Daimyo is the absolute power. The Hokage is the absolute power in the village. The Daimyo doesn't have that much influence in the village, Considering the fact that they're self control and his choice of Kage has to be voted in.


Yes, because arresting the higher ups wouldn't cause a scene at all in the village. :/

You arrest the higher ups, and people will ask questions. The Uchiha's were massacred, and then Sarutobi arrests the Elders? Yeah that would look good. Fact of the matter is, the Elders were Sarutobi's teammates, he respected them. Obviously he disagreed with the actions taken against the Uchihas, but once again a village in chaos would cause more problems. Sarutobi has a flaw, and that is he is too lenient, or so the Elders believe. However, he is basically just employing the same philosophy that Naruto is now. Not as big of a scene as if the knowledge of him covering their plot up would. Sabutori may respect them, But letting them do as they please, Even against his own orders, is stupid. And unlike Naruto and his idiotic habit of blindly believe in people who attempt to kill him, Sabutori was smart and skilled enough to do what was needed when he had to. Even if Sabutori let the Elders off, Why keep Danzo around. Sabutori clearly had misgivings about him, This type of action would be the prefect excuse to remove him from power.


We have also seen The Elders overrule the Hokage. You can read the manga, and get your "first person" view there too. Yes, But they have never been shown to take actions on their own.

Since I can't prove my point indefinitely, I'll concede to you. But I still find it ridicules to believe that they could act without the Hokage's order and he would do nothing to any of them.

[Black Lagoon]

does anyone know the chapter in the manga where all the various generation of teacher/student are depicted? there's a chapter that shows the 3rd as the teacher of jiraiya, jiraiya as the teacher of the 4th, the 4th as the teacher of kakashi, and kakashi as the teacher of naruto, but i can't seem to find it right now...

you mean this one
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000068342/02-03.jpg

[elitefox]

I can't imagine sharingan planted on a hyuga... byakusharigan LOL

[Essence]

But when/if Naruto finds out about Danzou from Sasuke, the whole game changes because then Naruto and Sasuke will find they share a common enemy. This is most likely how the two will be brought back together. And I sort of forgot what your original point was anyways. Was it just to say that Naruto is dumb for wanting to save Sasuke? If so then, so?

And oh my god, I didn't bother to correct the red spellcheck line under essence before I posted. I must be an idiot and all of my logic fails at my inabilty to spell properly. Whatever shall I do? :eyeroll

Well my point was just that naruto wanting to save sasuke is honorable but he can only go so far to the point it becomes irrational, obsessive, and annoying. And judging from sasuke character, i think he want Danzou dead so i don't think he would join naruto because naruto would't want Danzou dead even tough he doesn't like the guy. :blink As for the whole essence thing, it was just my comedy mood overwhelming me but you clearly proven you got me beat.


Because why would Izuna go blind if he could have the EMS instead!?

To get the EMS, you need to take your brother MS eyes.

Now, Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.
What did Madara do with his previous eyes!? He just threw them in the garbage!?
That would be ridiculous.

Of course, he would give them to his brother.
And both of them would have the EMS.

That makes much more sense.
And if that's not the way it happen, that's just stupid.

Well i was under the impression that madara combine his original Ms somehow with his brother not throw his MS away trough some sort of process. its the only reason i could see why madara Ems look like a combination of his MS and his brother MS

[Sunburn74]

nah... closer to something like this

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/2/7/9/sunburn74/t_dfm_451a65d.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/2/7/9/sunburn74/f_dfm_451a65d.jpg&srv=img33)

But in the manga and if I recall it showed all several generations...

just something to let us be able to put times, dates, and ages to people and places.

[Gwym]

I wonder where he got the eye from. I would imagine there were a lot of eyes lying around after the massacre of the Uchiha.

[Kusachu]

Okay, so if Danzou is supposed to be Izuna, little brother of Madara who is at least 100 years old, then how the HELL did Danzou/Izuna just magically die and then reapear within Konoha and take on a whole new life as Danzou, who would have to have moved to Konoha from where ever, been allowed to begin and continue up the ranks of the military to his current seat of power, right under the noses of not only the Uchiha, but also those in power who oposed Uchiha gaining power, and then he would have had to not age for a long time too, since Danzou is clearly not around 100 years old and...

guh, the whole thing just doesn't pan out to me, but I guess if you have leet necromancing powers than anything is possible. I'll just wait a while and find out for sure later...maybe. :thumbs

[elitefox]

Only kishi knows and only time can tell :D

But anyways, Itachi transferred his eye techniques to sasuke which means his eyes are no more? or he just pass it? and gave some of his powers to naruto? transfer, pass and give almost alike words

[Kusachu]

Well my point was just that naruto wanting to save sasuke is honorable but he can only go so far to the point it becomes irrational, obsessive, and annoying. And judging from sasuke character, i think he want Danzou dead so i don't think he would join naruto because naruto would't want Danzou dead even tough he doesn't like the guy. :blink As for the whole essence thing, it was just my comedy mood overwhelming me but you clearly proven you got me beat.



But what is the point in making your point when that fact is already established by Naruto himself in admitting that he is a fool? He told Sasuke that if he can't save one friend then he doesn't deserve to be Hokage, so should he give up on Sasuke and his dream of being Hokage because it's irrational, obsessive, and annoying? Or should he just never give up?

Are you trying to say that the story should be different than what it is because you think it's annoying?

Yes, Sasuke doesn't want to be saved, so? Pein didn't want to be saved either, but Naruto still put the jesus on him, and in doing so saved thousands of lives.

[Moon Stricken]

Exactly, There would be no need to persuade Tsunade if they could take actions on their own. There would be no need for Danzo to become Hokage if he could make rulings on his own. What order did the Elders oppose? The one about Naruto? Tsunade forced the Elders to meet her midway.

There still is plenty of reasons why Danzou would want to be Hokage. He would have a lot of power. Not only do the Elders agree with him most of the time, and back his militant stance but also he would be in control of ANBU. And actually the Elders forced Tsunade to meet them half way. By including Danzou in the talks and having Danzou put a Sai, one of his Root members, into Naruto's team. So no, Tsunade didn't force them to me her halfway, the Elders forced Tsunade.


The problem with your example for your argument is that your implying that Sabutori was outvoted, Which is different from them taking actions behind his back.

There is nothing wrong with my example. I said that Sarutobi was against The Uchiha Massacre, and wanted to use diplomacy. The elders and Danzou disagreed and used a method of subterfuge to go behind Sarutobi and order the massacre anyway, even when Sarutobi voiced his dissent. There was nothing wrong with that example.


It was said that his father made him join Anbu and then he started giving info on the Uchihas to Konoha. This point I can actually prove. It was stated in the databooks that the Anbu answers directly to the Hokage and no one else, Which means there is no one else in the chain of command Itachi would have to listen to.

You don't understand. Yes, Itachi's father ordered Itachi to join the ranks of ANBU to spy on the Higher Ups. Only problem was, he WAS ALREADY ordered to give information up on the Uchiha's. Therefore, he was ordered to spy on the Uchihas before he was part of ANBU, therefore before he was under the Hokage's supervision.


No, A 13 year olds first choice would be to side with his family. Itachi could have just as easily sided with his family. But Itachi understood how things would play out and choose the important side. Itachi wasn't the average child, He was smart enough to be a genius, So I'm sure he knew what was going on.

He was 13, yes he was a genius, but genius's have emotions too. Itachi was scarred from the constant violence. His first thought wouldn't be to KILL/Create more violence against his clan. He was in a fragile mental state. The Elders and Danzou, took advantage of his vulnerable state and used his genius skills and uchiha bloodline to implement a plan to massacre his own clan. Itachi was made to think that this was the ONLY way to settle this dispute. Sarutobi thought differently.


The Hokage is the absolute power in the village. The Daimyo doesn't have that much influence in the village, Considering the fact that they're self control and his choice of Kage has to be voted in.

There really isnt an "absolute" power in the village. Orders are constantly being questioned by the Hokage, by the Elders, by the Advisors. The Daiymo ultimately decides who should be Hokage. The Daiymo controls the finances of the village. The sole purpose of Konoha is to work as a collective for the Daiymo.


Not as big of a scene as if the knowledge of him covering their plot up would. Sabutori may respect them, But letting them do as they please, Even against his own orders, is stupid. And unlike Naruto and his idiotic habit of blindly believe in people who attempt to kill him, Sabutori was smart and skilled enough to do what was needed when he had to. Even if Sabutori let the Elders off, Why keep Danzo around. Sabutori clearly had misgivings about him, This type of action would be the prefect excuse to remove him from power.

Danzo fell from power, presumably after this instant. Tsunade re-states this fact when incorporating Yamato into Team Kakashi. So yes, obviously there was consequences. Sarutobi couldn't just go around punishing the higher ups. It would create turmoil. It would show the villagers that things are unstable, which is something Sarutobi didn't want. So he went along with the cover up.


Yes, But they have never been shown to take actions on their own.

Danzou formed Root. He took it upon himself to reinstate what power he had by other means. Danzou takes actions all the time without Tsunade's approval.


Since I can't prove my point indefinitely, I'll concede to you. But I still find it ridicules to believe that they could act without the Hokage's order and he would do nothing to any of them.

It was the perfect situation to act against the Hokage. Because any response or punishment given would only create more turmoil. It is not as if some random Jonin went against the Hokages orders. We are talking about some of the most powerful people in Konoha. After the huge massacre, the last thing you want is to show that there are problems in the upper levels of Konoha's government. It would create a village of instability.

[KreeQ]

Just read the spoilers! But yeah, if he got the eye transfered like Kakashi. Couldn't it be that he found Madara, and only got to transfer one eye and then Madara woke up? Or something. I know they have their sharingan in the same side, but if he transferred them with his head straight in front of Madara. Then maybe? I don't know. It might even be the eye of Kakashi's childhood friend. If he got his hands in him? He could easely have been eavesdropping on a conversation between the 4th and someone else?
But then Danzou have to be a collector, but sounds plausible.

[Gwym]

Others must know Danzou has the sharingan, probably other root members. They can't say anything or they die due to the seal.

[Essence]

But what is the point in making your point when that fact is already established by Naruto himself in admitting that he is a fool? He told Sasuke that if he can't save one friend then he doesn't deserve to be Hokage, so should he give up on Sasuke and his dream of being Hokage because it's irrational, obsessive, and annoying? Or should he just never give up?

Are you trying to say that the story should be different than what it is because you think it's annoying?

Yes, Sasuke doesn't want to be saved, so? Pein didn't want to be saved either, but Naruto still put the jesus on him, and in doing so saved thousands of lives.

no i'm not saying the story should be different, my opinion of what naruto does for sasuke is merely my perspective just like you have your own perspective. now using pain as an example is something you shouldn't do because despite certain similarities, they are clearly different in attitude. Now my question to you which you've been avoiding, is that if naruto couldn't change sasuke mind about Itachi, what makes you think he can change sasuke mind with Danzou.

[elitefox]

Others must know Danzou has the sharingan, probably other root members. They can't say anything or they die due to the seal.

How bout writing it on paper lol

[demons_halo]

no i'm not saying the story should be different, my opinion of what naruto does for sasuke is merely my perspective just like you have your own perspective. now using pain as an example is something you shouldn't do because despite certain similarities, they are clearly different in attitude. Now my question to you which you've been avoiding, is that if naruto couldn't change sasuke mind about Itachi, what makes you think he can change sasuke mind with Danzou.

BELIEVE IN NARUTO! that's the answer to your question!

[samsiufan]

The sharingan is becoming very common now...We moaned that the rasengan was common with so many people knowing it but the sharingan is becoming common...

The chapter with all the generations is this I think:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/122/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/122/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/122/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/122/17/

[Grizz]

Sasuke had already made his mind up about killing itachi, there werent going ot be anyone to tell him otherwise, and also i dont think naruto wants to change danzou's mind, hes going to see the raikage so, naruot already knows that danzou has evil ways, and he's being cautious for the time being.......

[demons_halo]

Because why would Izuna go blind if he could have the EMS instead!?

To get the EMS, you need to take your brother MS eyes.

Now, Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.
What did Madara do with his previous eyes!? He just threw them in the garbage!?
That would be ridiculous.

Of course, he would give them to his brother.
And both of them would have the EMS.

That makes much more sense.
And if that's not the way it happen, that's just stupid.

agree.
but what if he killed his brother and took his eyes? ^^

[Grizz]

[quote=demons_halo;1445377]agree.
but what if he killed his brother and took his eyes? ^^[/q

Even tthis theory is becoming complex, i dnt remember the manga saying anything about madara and his brother trading eyes, that'd be absurd for that to happened because it just wouldnt make sense....

[samsiufan]

no i'm not saying the story should be different, my opinion of what naruto does for sasuke is merely my perspective just like you have your own perspective. now using pain as an example is something you shouldn't do because despite certain similarities, they are clearly different in attitude. Now my question to you which you've been avoiding, is that if naruto couldn't change sasuke mind about Itachi, what makes you think he can change sasuke mind with Danzou.

He couldn't change Sasuke's mind at the time because he did not understand revenge, hatred and pain. Pain has taught him that now. And Naruto admitted that himself in the last chapter when he talks about fighting Sasuke....and getting team 7 to smile again together...

In short, Naruto has matured now...He needed the fight with Pain not to only demonstrate his growth in terms of jutsus and fighting etc but also to understand there is more to life and to grow in terms of understanding and dealing with he's and other people's emotions!
[hr]

Because why would Izuna go blind if he could have the EMS instead!?

To get the EMS, you need to take your brother MS eyes.

Now, Izuna gave his eyes to Madara.
What did Madara do with his previous eyes!? He just threw them in the garbage!?
That would be ridiculous.

Of course, he would give them to his brother.
And both of them would have the EMS.

That makes much more sense.
And if that's not the way it happen, that's just stupid.

Maybe MS + MS = EMS!

So rather than throw his eyes away, maybe the eyeballs kinda merge together. That is the integrate with each other and become one. That is probably why Itachi wanted Sasuke to get the MS. This would probably then enable Sasuke to get Itachi's eyes and "merge" them into his....

Who knows what the process is? It is all conjecture anyway!

[elitefox]

I can't wait to see danzo fight anbus...

[uchiha-Kakashi]

maybe those eyes where Fugakus Sharingan or from some other member of the Uchiha clan that Itachi has killed .

[Grizz]

He couldn't change Sasuke's mind at the time because he did not understand revenge, hatred and pain. Pain has taught him that now. And Naruto admitted that himself in the last chapter when he talks about fighting Sasuke....and getting team 7 to smile again together...

In short, Naruto has matured now...He needed the fight with Pain not to only demonstrate his growth in terms of jutsus and fighting etc but also to understand there is more to life and to grow in terms of understanding and dealing with he's and other people's emotions!


Yeah i think so too, because at first when sasuke and naruto faught, naruto only bragged about not letting sasuke go to orochimaru and that it was the first time he had formed a bond with anyone, but he never actually understood what sasuke was going through... but during his fight against pein and also meeting his dad, made him realise that what sasuke was going wasnt something easy to understand, nad by pein destroying the village and almost killinf hinata then finally meeting his dad, made him fee what sasuke felt, even just for it a bit, but he felt something... one minute you know who you're parents are and then the next you dnt have any...

Know i think if he meets sauske he wont beg him to come back, because he has matured alot since the fight with pein...

[Essence]

He couldn't change Sasuke's mind at the time because he did not understand revenge, hatred and pain. Pain has taught him that now. And Naruto admitted that himself in the last chapter when he talks about fighting Sasuke....and getting team 7 to smile again together...

In short, Naruto has matured now...He needed the fight with Pain not to only demonstrate his growth in terms of jutsus and fighting etc but also to understand there is more to life and to grow in terms of understanding and dealing with he's and other people's emotions!

ok it really doesn't matter to sasuke if naruto understand revenge. sure naruto now feels, he understand sasuke but do you really think that would change sasuke mind, kakashi understand rvenge, pain, and what's it like to lose someone and when he talk to sasuke about that, that didn't change his mind. the thing is you have to judge from sasuke character, he did not compromise in his wanting revenge against itachi, i really doubt he will compromise in his wanting revenge against danzo.

[Kusachu]

ok it really doesn't matter to sasuke if naruto understand revenge. sure naruto now feels, he understand sasuke but do you really think that would change sasuke mind, kakashi understand rvenge, pain, and what's it like to lose someone and when he talk to sasuke about that, that didn't change his mind. the thing is you have to judge from sasuke character, he did not compromise in his wanting revenge against itachi, i really doubt he will compromise in his wanting revenge against danzo.


Okay, well here's a better question, do you believe that Sasuke really just doesn't want anything to do with Naruto anymore ever again even after he "gets his revenge"? If so, why? What makes you believe that Sasuke doesn't care about him?

[jwim]

i was just reading this

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/05/

how in the hell did danzo know the leader of akatsuki was attacking much less know who and what the leader looks like
i guess this supports the danzo=tobi or whatever
i still like the idea that tobi=madara danzo=madara's brother though

just saw this too

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/10/

those damn frogs didnt come outside and be like what the hell happened here

[Grizz]

I wonder if those ninja attacking Danzou, are actually people he knows and he's just trying to see whether he eyes still work, by testing his powers against them... i dont see any reason for someone to just attack him form nowhere...

[Essence]

Okay, well here's a better question, do you believe that Sasuke really just doesn't want anything to do with Naruto anymore ever again even after he "gets his revenge"? If so, why? What makes you believe that Sasuke doesn't care about him?

I never said sasuke did not care for naruto, in fact i was one of the few who once said that sasuke is not selfish and that he cares for naruto. but in no way can you say that his need for revenge isn't greater than how he feels toward naruto.

[TheOneElectric]

If Danzou is Tobi, then why would he make the claim that this is the first time he will have moved his body to fight in such a long time?

[Grizz]

I never said sasuke did not care for naruto, in fact i was one of the few who once said that sasuke is not selfish and that he cares for naruto. but in no way can you say that his need for revenge isn't greater than how he feels toward naruto.


Sasuke must care for Naruto in some extent at least...

[Zibi234]

Maybe MS + MS = EMS!


I guess it would be more like

MS + MS = MMS XD (or DMS [D for dual] )


But seriously this is getting boring... story centered around those damn sharingans..... so what next... naruto has a bandage over his right eye... so will he have a sharingan when he takes it off >__<

you can say " Sharingan here...sharingan there.... sharingan is everywhere..."


And so another sharingan fight will happen.... another chapters with genjutsu fight awaits us.....>__<.... but its kinda getting borring... Danzou rellys like sasuke on sharingan alone.... I hope that all sharingan users will get their eyes destroyed or the users will go blind since its annoying to allways see.... a fight starts... sharingan... fight ends >__< nothing new and its getting annoying that all crazy minded people have at the end sharingans....

I woudl be happy if there was a blood limit that nulifies all other blood lines.... to a netral field to make people rely on skills and not blood lines... so no sharingan spaming... we could see who has better skills without those buffs....


Anyway I think that naruto will go to Raikage.... but that root guy will try and stop him becouse he had his order..... it would be nice if people of the village stood in and demanded to let naruto go.... (since votes are comeing up stopping naruto would make danzou lose lots of votes...)

Naruto will mostly mention about Madara and that he is the real case.... so Raikage could mention that on the meeting.... maybe sasuke would overhear that and notice that madara was lieing to him... who knows

[Grizz]

All these theories about sharingan are absoultely absurd, its like everyone keeps talking about the same thing, this is getting quite ridiculous...

[Essence]

Sasuke must care for Naruto in some extent at least...

yeah he does but his revenge comes first

[Grizz]

yeah he does but his revenge comes first

Yeah h's revenge for itachi is already done, but i think now he's playing into madar's hand, because he just keeps telling him lies after lies...

[Essence]

Yeah h's revenge for itachi is already done, but i think now he's playing into madar's hand, because he just keeps telling him lies after lies...

well knowing danzou, madara is most likely wasn't lying bout the uchiha massacre so i still think sasuke wont stop till he kill danzo like he had intended with itachi.

[rhysno1]

madara didn't kill his brother the databook say's he dies in battle but of course he had no eye's

[Grizz]

well knowing danzou, madara is most likely wasn't lying bout the uchiha massacre so i still think sasuke wont stop till he kill danzo like he had intended with itachi.


Yeah obviously Sasuke's thirst for revenge is quote serious, but with itachi it was boud to happened that no matter how they searched for each other, they would have eventually faught and one of 'em would have died and thats what happened.. but with Danzou i highly doubt that, if Danzou is officially an Uchiha which can mean tha he has mastered the Sharingan a lot better than sasuke, even though sauske is very confident that he wants to kill danzou which i still dont see happening.

I'll be something like this....

Sasuke: So you are Danzou
Danzou:..!!!???

Sasuke: am here to make you pay for everything you made my brother go through...

Danzou: Uchiha Sasuke, Ive been expecting you..
Just as i suspected, my brother ended up getting to your mind after all..

Sasuke: !!.. wha.. wha.. whaaat!!!!
Danzou: Hahahaha... your so eager to avenge your brother, so i guess my beloved brother has kept some secrets from you....

[Essence]

Yeah obviously Sasuke's thirst for revenge is quote serious, but with itachi it was boud to happened that no matter how they searched for each other, they would have eventually faught and one of 'em would have died and thats what happened.. but with Danzou i highly doubt that, if Danzou is officially an Uchiha which can mean tha he has mastered the Sharingan a lot better than sasuke, even though sauske is very confident that he wants to kill danzou which i still dont see happening.

I'll be something like this....

Sasuke: So you are Danzou
Danzou:..!!!???

Sasuke: am here to make you pay for everything you made my brother go through...

Danzou: Uchiha Sasuke, Ive been expecting you..
Just as i suspected, my brother ended up getting to your mind after all..

Sasuke: !!.. wha.. wha.. whaaat!!!!
Danzou: Hahahaha... your so eager to avenge your brother, so i guess my beloved brother has kept some secrets from you....




lol, Danzou is not madara brother and i doubt he is an uchiha, the sharingan was most likely a transplant.

[Grizz]

lol, Danzou is not madara brother and i doubt he is an uchiha, the sharingan was most likely a transplant.

Yeah i dont think their brothers either, that was just me messign about... but i really can't wait for next weeks chapter already, but i doubt we'll know how he has the sharinga maybe till afterwards...

[Essence]

Yeah i dont think their brothers either, that was just me messign about... but i really can't wait for next weeks chapter already, but i doubt we'll know how he has the sharinga maybe till afterwards...

ah so much talk about the sharingan, now i feel it has become a drug free on the black market of the naruto verse.

[-Ren Boy-]

What ever happened to Byukagan, that doujutsu is presummed to have CREATED the sharingan lol

[Grizz]

Eevryone seems to be so attached by the sharingan that they seem to forget that there are other doujutsus...

[SageMode]

i dont do this often so dont be harsh on the reply if i get one. but itachi said madara is a shell now.... maybe danzou is the real body and tobi is like i dont know how to say it...a phsical form of chakra? only way i could put it that made sense to me if some one understand and could like refrase it for me that would be awesome :)

[zellkyo]

i wonder if because of the sharingan why half of danzo's body is in that state, maybe his body can't restrain the doujutsu and ended up damaging his own body, that's why he needs the data from orochimaru/kabuto that maybe can help him

just guessing guys

[chitgoks]

danzou with the other sharingan?!? why am i not surprised

[Grizz]

i dont do this often so dont be harsh on the reply if i get one. but itachi said madara is a shell now.... maybe danzou is the real body and tobi is like i dont know how to say it...a phsical form of chakra? only way i could put it that made sense to me if some one understand and could like refrase it for me that would be awesome :)


I know exactly what you mean, but if Danzou is madara's true body then, it wouldnt really explain who tobi is and his purpose....

[SageMode]

I know exactly what you mean, but if Danzou is madara's true body then, it wouldnt really explain who tobi is and his purpose....

Tobi is the one trying to get sasuke to turn on konoha. because no way in hell would sasuke listen to someone currently in konoha much less a millitary official of the village. im like super tired so bare with me i know what im tryin to say but i dont know if wat im typin makes sense lol