Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[elitefox]

I wonder if sasuke has any more ms techs than amaterasu, probably tsukiyomi.

like EMO all( just kidding)

[Delbi]

True. :thumbs I just wonder how far Sasuke will go with Madara pulling his strings. I bet it will much more worse than it is now before it will get better. For Naruto to learn the key to defeating Madara, first someone has to learn that key, and that guy would be Sasuke, at which point he can turn on Madara and rejoin Naruto in the triumphant ultimate good and evil throw down...or something like that. It would be lame as hell if they rehashed the whole dying to give Naruto the key crap that went down with Jiraiya.

I was always under the impression that Sasuke would stay with Madara until he realized exactly was Madara was up to. At that point, Sasuke would leave, and perhaps Madara would kill all of Team Hawk in the process.

At that point, Sasuke is on his own, and he would end up sacraficing himself to save Team 7 from Madara so they don't suffer the same fate as Team Hawk.

I think Sasuke will revive the Uchiha clan in spirit, not in body. He will kill Madara, and then die. Thus, the last Uchiha will be known as a hero, not a villian, and the clan's bloody history could be forgiven, and the clan itself redeemed.



And speaking of keys...Naruto still needs to get that key from the scroll frog too. I don't see that one just popping off out of nowhere. We've got a lot of miles to go still.

The Frog Key, Killerbee, and Fuinjutsu, will all play a role in Naruto controlling the Kyuubi and using it's power. I don't think that's going to happen until the end of the manga also.

[Essence]

O, I agree, but it's far to soon for that to happen.

Sasuke is stubborn as hell, and to an extent he has a reason to be. His revenge on Danzou makes sense from his standpoint.

Madara has plans to link Sasuke up the to the Sealing Statue. You can bet that is going to happen.

In my mind, Sasuke isn't going to be redeemed until the very end of the manga. Having him become more of a villian is going to make the story much better IMO, rather than having Naruto just convert him back right now. Without Sasuke, Akatsuki has lost even more, and then the sides in this story are going to be extremely unbalanced.

I doubt sasuke is gonna let madara do that to him, i'm pretty sure he has a plan against madara, kinda of like how he did to orochimaru.

[elitefox]

True. :thumbs I just wonder how far Sasuke will go with Madara pulling his strings. I bet it will much more worse than it is now before it will get better. For Naruto to learn the key to defeating Madara, first someone has to learn that key, and that guy would be Sasuke, at which point he can turn on Madara and rejoin Naruto in the triumphant ultimate good and evil throw down...or something like that. It would be lame as hell if they rehashed the whole dying to give Naruto the key crap that went down with Jiraiya.

And speaking of keys...Naruto still needs to get that key from the scroll frog too. I don't see that one just popping off out of nowhere. We've got a lot of miles to go still.

Jiraiya already unlock it but I wonder when will that scroll frog give the "package" to Naruto.

[Delbi]

I doubt sasuke is gonna let madara do that to him, i'm pretty sure he has a plan against madara, kinda of like how he did to orochimaru.

Orochimaru is a weak child compared to Madara. Sasuke has no way of hurting Madara, and until we know exactly what Madara wants, he has no leverage over him.

[elitefox]

I doubt sasuke is gonna let madara do that to him, i'm pretty sure he has a plan against madara, kinda of like how he did to orochimaru.

I do agree since madara is still involve in that massacre if itachi speaks some truth of madara

[Essence]

Orochimaru is a weak child compared to Madara. Sasuke has no way of hurting Madara, and until we know exactly what Madara wants, he has no leverage over him.

yeah Madara is far stronger but have you ever known sasuke not be cocky even when the guys is stronger than him, trust me sasuke plan to kill madara for his part in the msaasacre, but the thing is i think madara anticipated that but have no choice but to tolerate him for his plan, the battle for who will outsmart the other awaits

[Delbi]

yeah Madara is far stronger but have you ever known sasuke not be cocky even when the guys is stronger than him, trust me sasuke plan to kill madara for his part in the msaasacre, but the thing is i think madara anticipated that but have no choice but to tolerate him for his plan, the battle for who will outsmart the other awaits

I don't think Sasuke is smart enough, or strong enough to take Madara...yet

Madara is nearly 100 years old, he's been around for a long time. He's been planning this forever, even if Sasuke trys something, Sasuke might end up regretting it.

[Essence]

I don't think Sasuke is smart enough, or strong enough to take Madara...yet

Madara is nearly 100 years old, he's been around for a long time. He's been planning this forever, even if Sasuke trys something, Sasuke might end up regretting it.

Like i said sasuke is cocky boy, did you see how he went at madara last time, sasuke probably waiting for w weakness of madara jutsu to show up and exploit that kinda of like how he waited until orochimaru was at his weakest.

[Delbi]

Like i said sasuke is cocky boy, did you see how he went at madara last time, sasuke probably waiting for w weakness of madara jutsu to show up and exploit that kinda of like how he waited until orochimaru was at his weakest.

Madara is already at his weakest, and no one alive is a match for him lol.

[Essence]

Madara is already at his weakest, and no one alive is a match for him lol.

lol that is funny he's a beast even without the full power of EMS, its time like these i wonder how the first hokage defeated him

[Grizz]

After the fight with the first hokage, i wonder why he manged to play dead for such a long time before finally revealing himself to itachi.. if he hates the village that much, then he could have just attacked it again during the crisis moment, instead of waiting that long just to unleash the kyuubi...

[Essence]

After the fight with the first hokage, i wonder why he manged to play dead for such a long time before finally revealing himself to itachi.. if he hates the village that much, then he could have just attacked it again during the crisis moment, instead of waiting that long just to unleash the kyuubi...

Maybe he was very weak after he was defated and didn't have enough power for that but he gain some back 16 years ago.

[Black Lagoon]

lol that is funny he's a beast even without the full power of EMS, its time like these i wonder how the first hokage defeated him

yeah! Kishi should do a little flashback

[Delbi]

lol that is funny he's a beast even without the full power of EMS, its time like these i wonder how the first hokage defeated him

I doubt he had these powers back then, if he did, there's no way Hirashima could have defeated him.

[Grizz]

So after loosing against the 3rd, it took him 16 years to get more power, that doesn't sound like an uchiha..

[Essence]

I doubt he had these powers back then, if he did, there's no way Hirashima could have defeated him.

I think he had far more power back then but Hirashima was special, probably the strongest hokage to have ever lived

[Makayo]

I doubt he had these powers back then, if he did, there's no way Hirashima could have defeated him.

he had ems back then man thats what made the 1st soo strong, remember he stole his brothers eye way back in the beginning, even b4 kohona was established

[Black Lagoon]

So after loosing against the 3rd, it took him 16 years to get more power, that doesn't sound like an uchiha..

but WTF he's been doing during all this time? 16 years to recover don't... with me :P

by the way the summer time is ...:fan (in the good sense)

[Delbi]

I think he had far more power back then but Hirashima was special, probably the strongest hokage to have ever lived

Doubt it, Sarturobi has been called the Strongest Hokage ever so I don't understand why people want to doubt the manga. Not to mention Hirashima's abilites in terms of fighting pale in comparison to current ninja's.

Madara literally can't be hurt by anything if he doesn't want to. He can also move himself anywhere he wants with his space time jutsu. If he had all that, and his EMS, there doesn't seem like anything could stop him.

Madara most likely had different powers back then. His current powers don't even seem to be Sharigan related for the most part, and we have no evidence he currently has the MS, nevermind the EMS.

[Seriph2]

[QUOTE=Delbi45;1460301]I doubt he had these powers back then, if he did, there's no way Hirashima could have defeated him.[/QUOTE

We don't know what the counter for madara's space time ability is so to say Hirashima couldn't have defeated him is a premature statement. I mean its only logical considering Madara is in need of MORE power to accomplish his goals. It's just like MMA and Boxing styles make fights there is no MMA or Boxing math just because fighter A > B and B > C doesnt mean that A > C.

Also his powers are Sharingan related, just look at kakashi's variant when he was trying to take out Deidara its space time related only applied to himself.

[Xiraiya]

Madara most likely had different powers back then. His current powers don't even seem to be Sharigan related for the most part, and we have no evidence he currently has the MS, nevermind the EMS.


Madara was also only probably Itachi's age back when he fought Hashirama as well.

80 years in hiding is alot of time to explore the power of your EMS, no doubt in my mind he gained the space/time ability later.

I still stand by my theory that, the Secret he never told Itachi was about the space/time capabilities of the sharingan.

We have never seen Itachi use anything space/time related, Only Madara & Kakashi have.

Which makes me think Itachi simply didn't know Mangekyou could do the stuff Kakashi & Madara do.

[Essence]

Doubt it, Sarturobi has been called the Strongest Hokage ever so I don't understand why people want to doubt the manga. Not to mention Hirashima's abilites in terms of fighting pale in comparison to current ninja's.

Madara literally can't be hurt by anything if he doesn't want to. He can also move himself anywhere he wants with his space time jutsu. If he had all that, and his EMS, there doesn't seem like anything could stop him.

Madara most likely had different powers back then. His current powers don't even seem to be Sharigan related for the most part, and we have no evidence he currently has the MS, nevermind the EMS.

well if he was the one who summon Kyuubi16 years ago, then he should have MS at lest, and sarutobi might know more justus but i really didn't see anything he had to go against the first Hokage, the first hokage mokuton skill is of great level plus he has greatt weapon and taijutsu skill, you saw he kicked the crap out of sarutobi. plus about sarutobi being the strongest, kishi may have very well change his mind, he did it when he once said a hokage has to know a 1000 jutsu but yet tsunade don't know a 1000 justsus.

[Delbi]

We don't know what the counter for madara's space time ability is so to say Hirashima couldn't have defeated him is a premature statement. I mean its only logical considering Madara is in need of MORE power to accomplish his goals.

We also don't have evidence that Madara had these powers back then. He's lived for a long time and he has the Sharigan, it would be stupid for him not learn some things over the course of 70 years since he lost to Hirashima.

And in Hirashima's fight with Sarturobi he didn't show anything that would seem to hurt Madara now. Not to mention, Hirashima was never known to have anything more than the Moukton, extreme strength, and great battle prowless. And he used 1 pretty cool genjutsu, whcih wouldn't work on Madara since he had the EM Sharigan.

The warriors in Hirashima and Madara's day seemed to be less about skill, and more about power. If Madara survived Deidara's nuclear self destruct, it goes to show that its going to be skill, not power that is going to defeat him.

As for Madara's goal, he might not need more power, but simply something he no longer has, like his old eyes.
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well if he was the one who summon Kyuubi16 years ago, then he should have MS at lest, and sarutobi might know more justus but i really didn't see anything he had to go against the first Hokage, the first hokage mokuton skill is of great level plus he has greatt weapon and taijutsu skill, you saw he kicked the crap out of sarutobi. plus about sarutobi being the strongest, kishi may have very well change his mind, he did it when he once said a hokage has to know a 1000 jutsu but yet tsunade don't know a 1000 justsus.

Nah, Kishi has no reason to change his mind. Sarturobi proved in his old age he could hang with the two previous Hokages brought back in their prime and Orochimaru. And while he was whooping on Sarturobi, Sarturobi also would have killed him and his brother if they weren't immortal.

I never said the First Hokage was worthless, but he doesn't compare to ninja like Jiraiya and Itachi. Even Naruto and Sasuke would probably defeat him.

As for the Hokage having to know a 1000 jutsu, I don't remeber that being stated. If you could provide a link that would help.

[Grizz]

but WTF he's been doing during all this time? 16 years to recover don't... with me :P

by the way the summer time is ...:fan (in the good sense)

Well maybe it took him 16 years to think of a good solid plan, but still it shouldnt have taken him so long to do so..

[Black Lagoon]

Madara was also only probably Itachi's age back when he fought Hashirama as well.

80 years in hiding is alot of time to explore the power of your EMS, no doubt in my mind he gained the space/time ability later.

I still stand by my theory that, the Secret he never told Itachi was about the space/time capabilities of the sharingan.

We have never seen Itachi use anything space/time related, Only Madara & Kakashi have.

Which makes me think Itachi simply didn't know Mangekyou could do the stuff Kakashi & Madara do.

I have to disagree with you in this point, MAdara is older than Itachi by far. in the 3rd ninja war Madara said that Itachi was so young (perhaps Sasuke's age during the massacre) and Madara was fighting the first...

[Essence]

We also don't have evidence that Madara had these powers back then. He's lived for a long time and he has the Sharigan, it would be stupid for him not learn some things over the course of 70 years since he lost to Hirashima.

And in Hirashima's fight with Sarturobi he didn't show anything that would seem to hurt Madara now. Not to mention, Hirashima was never known to have anything more than the Moukton, extreme strength, and great battle prowless. And he used 1 pretty cool genjutsu, whcih wouldn't work on Madara since he had the EM Sharigan.

The warriors in Hirashima and Madara's day seemed to be less about skill, and more about power. If Madara survived Deidara's nuclear self destruct, it goes to show that its going to be skill, not power that is going to defeat him.

As for Madara's goal, he might not need more power, but simply something he no longer has, like his old eyes.
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Nah, Kishi has no reason to change his mind. Sarturobi proved in his old age he could hang with the two previous Hokages brought back in their prime and Orochimaru. And while he was whooping on Sarturobi, Sarturobi also would have killed him and his brother if they weren't immortal.

I never said the First Hokage was worthless, but he doesn't compare to ninja like Jiraiya and Itachi. Even Naruto and Sasuke would probably defeat him.

As for the Hokage having to know a 1000 jutsu, I don't remeber that being stated. If you could provide a link that would help.

Well he could probably consider making first hokage strongest just because he fought madara. iItachi is my favorite and i also like Jiraiya, but its out of line to say Shodaime wasn't stronger

[Xiraiya]

I have to disagree with you in this point, MAdara is older than Itachi by far. in the 3rd ninja war Madara said that Itachi was so young (perhaps Sasuke's age during the massacre) and Madara was fighting the first...

Are you kidding me?

Please RE-READ my post, I don't know about others but i'm not so idiotic that I would say something like that.

[Delbi]

Well he could probably consider making first hokage strongest just because he fought madara. iItachi is my favorite and i also like Jiraiya, but its out of line to say Shodaime wasn't stronger

How is it out of line?

Explain to me how Hirashima would deal with Ameratsu and Sussano? Madara was never known to have those techniques.

How would he deal with all of Jiraiya's summons? Swamp of the Underworld? Sage Mode?

And don't even get me started on Nagato and the Pain bodies.

Hirashima is at a disadvantage for the simple reason that he is older than these guys. They have learned things he never knew existed. Thus their power and abilites exceed his.

This has nothing to do with liking anyone, if you realistically look at this, Hirashima doesn't stand a chance against these people. He already lost to Sarturobi, and he was using regular ninjutsu up until he used the Death God.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

Madara was also only probably Itachi's age back when he fought Hashirama as well.

80 years in hiding is alot of time to explore the power of your EMS, no doubt in my mind he gained the space/time ability later.

I still stand by my theory that, the Secret he never told Itachi was about the space/time capabilities of the sharingan.

We have never seen Itachi use anything space/time related, Only Madara & Kakashi have.

Which makes me think Itachi simply didn't know Mangekyou could do the stuff Kakashi & Madara do.
I agree, but there are a lot of incredible jutsu that are not Sharingan related. That's what separated the Senju from other clans, the Senju specialized in more than one kind of jutsu. Before the Senju clan, having advanced taijutsu, ninjutsu, and genjutsu was unheard of. I think I read that somewhere. Madara has been around Senju and he's been the kage of the bloody mist. It's not too hard to believe that he picked up a lot of useful jutsu that are not Sharingan related during the 80 years he's been around. With the Sharingan, he could've copied thousands of jutsu by now.If you think the 3rd knew a lot of jutsu, imagine if he had the Sharingan, an extra 20 years or so, and a body that doesn't seem to be affected by the time that has passed. For all we know, he could've copied Minato's Flying Thunder God technique and improved on it.

[Seriph2]

We also don't have evidence that Madara had these powers back then. He's lived for a long time and he has the Sharigan, it would be stupid for him not learn some things over the course of 70 years since he lost to Hirashima.

And in Hirashima's fight with Sarturobi he didn't show anything that would seem to hurt Madara now. Not to mention, Hirashima was never known to have anything more than the Moukton, extreme strength, and great battle prowless. And he used 1 pretty cool genjutsu, whcih wouldn't work on Madara since he had the EM Sharigan.

The warriors in Hirashima and Madara's day seemed to be less about skill, and more about power. If Madara survived Deidara's nuclear self destruct, it goes to show that its going to be skill, not power that is going to defeat him.

As for Madara's goal, he might not need more power, but simply something he no longer has, like his old eyes.
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Nah, Kishi has no reason to change his mind. Sarturobi proved in his old age he could hang with the two previous Hokages brought back in their prime and Orochimaru. And while he was whooping on Sarturobi, Sarturobi also would have killed him and his brother if they weren't immortal.

I never said the First Hokage was worthless, but he doesn't compare to ninja like Jiraiya and Itachi. Even Naruto and Sasuke would probably defeat him.

As for the Hokage having to know a 1000 jutsu, I don't remeber that being stated. If you could provide a link that would help.


I understand what you're saying and you're right there is no proof but that goes both ways so where are we left at? Madara currently even with this seemingly Godlike ability is in search/need for more power which leads me to believe that there IS a weakness and that it has been exploited before, I mean what other reason could there be if he had never been defeated before even with this current power?

If I had the ability to be seemingly impervious to all physical and even elemental attacks due to space time distortion and had never experienced defeat what would make me believe that I even had to achieve MORE power to accomplish my goals? It makes more sense to me that he had those abilities and was still defeated and this be the motivation for seeking more power vs him just seeking more power for shits and giggles.

If his "old eyes" are what hes after then that IS a form of power not only that but gathering all the Bijuu's has nothing to do with that. On top of that, his eyes apparently arent THAT bad since they are the source behind his space time manipulation which gives him this ability.....

[Makayo]

Wait when did the 3rd fight madara it was the 4th, two madara was way older than itachi he was the leader of the uchiha clan and besides his age he already had the EMS and was said to have mastered all the sharingan abilities he was a prodigy him and his brother like romulus and remus (studying for a ancient rome final lol) so he had uber strength back then. the 1st was remarkable strong in a war you have to refine ur skill more than in a time of peace. so iunno what you guys are talking about. Madara had the ms he even said he had the ms

[Essence]

How is it out of line?

Explain to me how Hirashima would deal with Ameratsu and Sussano? Madara was never known to have those techniques.

How would he deal with all of Jiraiya's summons? Swamp of the Underworld? Sage Mode?

And don't even get me started on Nagato and the Pain bodies.

Hirashima is at a disadvantage for the simple reason that he is older than these guys. They have learned things he never knew existed. Thus their power and abilites exceed his.

This has nothing to do with liking anyone, if you realistically look at this, Hirashima doesn't stand a chance against these people. He already lost to Sarturobi, and he was using regular ninjutsu up until he used the Death God.

Bias!, first we really don't know the specific of MS, and if sasuke could beat Amaterasu, i'm sure shodaime could do so, plus he probably was very good at summon especially since kishi show that panel with the weapons. So i really don't jiraiya could have take him on, remember we have yet to see Shodaime true peak of power in terms of mokuton, and the fact he was able to go against madara back then and was also fared tells you he was deadly in battle. You cant really say he is not stronger since we nevr really saw him at his peak of power and dont use the whole oeochimaru ressurection justsu because i'm pretty sure, these summons lack the true power of Shodaime. Shodaime can whomp itachi and jiraiya in the heat of battle.

[Makayo]

here even shows him fightin the first with his ems http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
the first was a bad mouthershutyourmouth SHAFT
dude had it going on the bijuu the ability to beath a dude with the EMS, and whats worse b4 EMS he had to have MS meaning they encoutered amaretsu and tskyukomi and susanoo

[Delbi]

I understand what you're saying and you're right there is no proof but that goes both ways so where are we left at? Madara currently even with this seemingly Godlike ability is in search/need for more power which leads me to believe that there IS a weakness and that it has been exploited before, I mean what other reason could there be if he had never been defeated before even with this current power?

If I had the ability to be seemingly impervious to all physical and even elemental attacks due to space time distortion and had never experienced defeat what would make me believe that I even had to achieve MORE power to accomplish my goals? It makes more sense to me that he had those abilities and was still defeated and this be the motivation for seeking more power vs him just seeking more power for shits and giggles.

If his "old eyes" are what hes after then that IS a form of power not only that but gathering all the Bijuu's has nothing to do with that. On top of that, his eyes apparently arent THAT bad since they are the source behind his space time manipulation which gives him this ability.....

First off, we have no proof that his eyes are the source of his space time jutsu, so I don't know where you go that.

Secondly, how would he lose if he can't be hurt? If he and Hirashima clashed a lot, and Madara always had the space time jutsu, he would have killed Hirashima when they first met. This is just common sense.

And how do we know what Madara's goals really are? Perhaps he wants to reviive his dead brother? He can't do that with his current self.

Madara's goals might not be tied to personal power. After living for so long he wants something that he can't get now.

As for getting his old eyes, the EMS hold secrets we don't know about. It could all be tied back the Kyuubi. As for his reason of gathering all the Biju's, again we don't know his plans. If he didn't want the Biju why would he go send Kisame after Killerbee?
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here even shows him fightin the first with his ems http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/
the first was a bad mouthershutyourmouth SHAFT
dude had it going on the bijuu the ability to beath a dude with the EMS, and whats worse b4 EMS he had to have MS meaning they encoutered amaretsu and tskyukomi and susanoo

Show me one panel where Madara used any of those techniques. Thus far, only Sasuke and Itachi have used Ameratsu and Tsyukiyomi, and only Itachi has used Sussano.

Not to mention, the items Sussano held, Itachi found on his own, which would mean they weren't orginally part of the Sussano jutsu.

[adel123456789]

I really don't see that happening, but I'd say he'd get at least Tsuchikage...unless that guy only finds other dwarfs sexy, but I'd say no on Gaara, Mizukage, Danzou, and probably Raikage too since the chicks in Lightning country are pretty hot and Raikage probably has his own harem of them waiting on him whenever he wants. What does he need with Naruto's Oiroke?


becasue he has a herem then he is a perv like jiraya :p.

[Black Lagoon]

Are you kidding me?

Please RE-READ my post, I don't know about others but i'm not so idiotic that I would say something like that.

My...My bad :sweatdrop
after I RE-READ your post, fully AGREE
sorry for the misunderstanding :sweatdrop

[Makayo]

the 1st was a monster a beast nothing could hold that mofo back if he were here now he would wipe the faces of everybody, sen thousand ju skill.
senju a thousand skills, that scroll he has i think is the same scroll jiraya had and i think he was a master of sage chakra or natural chakra as well. either that or it is a weapon summon scroll like ten ten, you can beat all genjustu if you have someone disturb ur charka like killer bee said. or like sasuke did when he stabbed himself in the foot.

two amarestu can be beat just dont get hit it by it you can avoid that shit like moving really fast through sage chakra or kagebunshin or genjutsu of ur own. not the real bitch i sussano i dont see how he got past that mess and thats way b4 ems

[Delbi]

Bias!, first we really don't know the specific of MS, and if sasuke could beat Amaterasu, i'm sure shodaime could do so, plus he probably was very good at summon especially since kishi show that panel with the weapons. So i really don't jiraiya could have take him on, remember we have yet to see Shodaime true peak of power in terms of mokuton, and the fact he was able to go against madara back then and was also fared tells you he was deadly in battle. You cant really say he is not stronger since we nevr really saw him at his peak of power and dont use the whole oeochimaru ressurection justsu because i'm pretty sure, these summons lack the true power of Shodaime. Shodaime can whomp itachi and jiraiya in the heat of battle.

I'm biased? Ok there friend.

Hirashima is not Sasuke, nor Orochimaru. He doesn't have those abilites so saying he could beat Ameratsu with no evidence is bias.

We did see Hirashima at the peak of his power, vs Sarturobi he used Moukton up the ass.

And Hirashima isn't going to whomp anything. Itachi and Jiraiya have jutsu he never even new existed. There doesn't seem to be anything that can stop Sussano, and don't give me a bs excuse that Hirashima could stop it. The guy simply isn't strong enough to beat them, end of story.

[lionrider]

Show me one panel where Madara used any of those techniques. Thus far, only Sasuke and Itachi have used Ameratsu and Tsyukiyomi, and only Itachi has used Sussano.

Not to mention, the items Sussano held, Itachi found on his own, which would mean they weren't orginally part of the Sussano jutsu.

Hmm.. Look at the eyes dude.. on this link.. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

Its already been told in Manga that prior to the foundation of the Leaf Madara already plucked the eyes of his brother which him gaining EMS..

Also Madara could never have been stated that he admired the First Hokage at all..

[Delbi]

the 1st was a monster a beast nothing could hold that mofo back if he were here now he would wipe the faces of everybody, sen thousand ju skill.
senju a thousand skills, that scroll he has i think is the same scroll jiraya had and i think he was a master of sage chakra or natural chakra as well. either that or it is a weapon summon scroll like ten ten, you can beat all genjustu if you have someone disturb ur charka like killer bee said. or like sasuke did when he stabbed himself in the foot.

two amarestu can be beat just dont get hit it by it you can avoid that shit like moving really fast through sage chakra or kagebunshin or genjutsu of ur own. not the real bitch i sussano i dont see how he got past that mess and thats way b4 ems

Wow, you're an idoit.

First off, Hirashima has never known to have Sage chakra, so don't make shit up.

Also, Killerbee can only break all genjutsu because he has full control of a Biju inside of him. Hirashima would be fighting alone.

Then, Ameratsu can be summoned wherever the user is looking. You can't dodge something if it's already on you.

And I'd love to know how Itachi, the best genjutsu user in the manga would fall of a genjutsu. He has a Sharigan, or did you forget that?

Finally, there is Sussano, which makes the users invulnerable and has a sword that is a 1 hit K.O. and cuts through everything it would seem. Again, I'd love to know how Hirashima could stop that.

[bean]

First off, we have no proof that his eyes are the source of his space time jutsu, so I don't know where you go that.

Secondly, how would he lose if he can't be hurt? If he and Hirashima clashed a lot, and Madara always had the space time jutsu, he would have killed Hirashima when they first met. This is just common sense.

And how do we know what Madara's goals really are? Perhaps he wants to reviive his dead brother? He can't do that with his current self.

Madara's goals might not be tied to personal power. After living for so long he wants something that he can't get now.

As for getting his old eyes, the EMS hold secrets we don't know about. It could all be tied back the Kyuubi. As for his reason of gathering all the Biju's, again we don't know his plans. If he didn't want the Biju why would he go send Kisame after Killerbee?



Show me one panel where Madara used any of those techniques. Thus far, only Sasuke and Itachi have used Ameratsu and Tsyukiyomi, and only Itachi has used Sussano.

Not to mention, the items Sussano held, Itachi found on his own, which would mean they weren't orginally part of the Sussano jutsu.we don't really know that. All zetsu said was that oro looked for the sword and could never find it because itachi had it. Susanoo could have had it since for forever.

[Delbi]

Hmm.. Look at the eyes dude.. on this link.. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

Its already been told in Manga that prior to the foundation of the Leaf Madara already plucked the eyes of his brother which him gaining EMS..

Also Madara could never have been stated that he admired the First Hokage at all..

And again, just because he had EMS, doesn't mean he had Ameratsu, Tsyukiyomi and Sussano. He could of had entirely different techniques. Show me a panel were he actually uses an MS jutsu.

And so Madara admired Hirashima, what does that have to do with anything?
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we don't really know that. All zetsu said was that oro looked for the sword and could never find it because itachi had it. Susanoo could have had it since for forever.

That's true, but again, we have no proof that Madara had the same eye techniques Itachi had.

[Makayo]

First off, we have no proof that his eyes are the source of his space time jutsu, so I don't know where you go that.

Secondly, how would he lose if he can't be hurt? If he and Hirashima clashed a lot, and Madara always had the space time jutsu, he would have killed Hirashima when they first met. This is just common sense.

And how do we know what Madara's goals really are? Perhaps he wants to reviive his dead brother? He can't do that with his current self.

Madara's goals might not be tied to personal power. After living for so long he wants something that he can't get now.

As for getting his old eyes, the EMS hold secrets we don't know about. It could all be tied back the Kyuubi. As for his reason of gathering all the Biju's, again we don't know his plans. If he didn't want the Biju why would he go send Kisame after Killerbee?
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Show me one panel where Madara used any of those techniques. Thus far, only Sasuke and Itachi have used Ameratsu and Tsyukiyomi, and only Itachi has used Sussano.

Not to mention, the items Sussano held, Itachi found on his own, which would mean they weren't orginally part of the Sussano jutsu.

i dont need to show you the techniques man look at his eye the are ems that implies that he can use them

also here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/ he has the eyes
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/19/
here he said he gained the perfect sharingan then fought him
ohh shit would that mean he can use basic ms tech umm i think soo
iunno what more proof there is

[Delbi]

i dont need to show you the techniques man look at his eye the are ems that implies that he can use them

also here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/ he has the eyes
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/19/
here he said he gained the perfect sharingan then fought him
ohh shit would that mean he can use basic ms tech umm i think soo
iunno what more proof there is

Again, you are an idoit.

Kakashi has a MS, yet his techniques are completely different than Itachi and Sasuke's for whatever reason.

You have zero proof that Madara shares the same techniques as Itachi and Sasuke, none what so ever.

[Makayo]

Kamue is a ms basic technic that a non uchiha could figure it out.

So you guys mean to tell me that the man who brought to an end the ninja wars and that whole entire way of how the world worked then and he ham who controlled all the bijuu and dispersed then at his whim isnt strong enought to handle three eye techniques

if madara was so strong then we would have captured allthe jinchurikiis all the bijuu by him self with out pawns

[Essence]

I'm biased? Ok there friend.

Hirashima is not Sasuke, nor Orochimaru. He doesn't have those abilites so saying he could beat Ameratsu with no evidence is bias.

We did see Hirashima at the peak of his power, vs Sarturobi he used Moukton up the ass.

And Hirashima isn't going to whomp anything. Itachi and Jiraiya have jutsu he never even new existed. There doesn't seem to be anything that can stop Sussano, and don't give me a bs excuse that Hirashima could stop it. The guy simply isn't strong enough to beat them, end of story.

Gee i din't know i know i hurt your feeling, i only called you biased as a joke. anyaway you believe Hishirama is not the strongest while i do so lets leave it at that and move on:)

[lionrider]

And again, just because he had EMS, doesn't mean he had Ameratsu, Tsyukiyomi and Sussano. He could of had entirely different techniques. Show me a panel were he actually uses an MS jutsu.

And so Madara admired Hirashima, what does that have to do with anything?
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That's true, but again, we have no proof that Madara had the same eye techniques Itachi had.

Oh my.. that eye can only be like that when your using MS. i don't know what your getting at but we cannot show you in manga pages all the detail because in reality it did not show in detail everything..

[Makayo]

Again, you are an idoit.

Kakashi has a MS, yet his techniques are completely different than Itachi and Sasuke's for whatever reason.

You have zero proof that Madara shares the same techniques as Itachi and Sasuke, none what so ever.
show me one instant of kakashi tech being different with the sharingan, sorry my friend.
copying justu kakashi
copying justu everyone else
ms kakashi
ms everyone else
chakra drain kakashi
chakra drain everyone
but lets see has kakshi killed his best friend or the person closest to him when he had the sharingan
no
has he killed his brother
no
he achieve ms out of his own will yes everyone close to kakashi is already dead maybe that gave him the mind set
but the thing madara sasuke and itachi all have in common they killed those who were closet to them with their own hand
dude in no idiot but the all the sign point in one direction

[Delbi]

Kamue is a ms basic technic that a non uchiha could figure it out.

So you guys mean to tell me that the man who brought to an end the ninja wars and that whole entire way of how the world worked then and he ham who controlled all the bijuu and dispersed then at his whim isnt strong enought to handle three eye techniques

if madara was so strong then we would have captured allthe jinchurikiis all the bijuu by him self with out pawns

Considering Madara's Kekkai Genkai only allowed him control over 1 Biju, the Kyuubi, not all 9 of them, it would have been difficult for him to do so.

And since Hirashima didn't live in the current ninja world, where 70 years have passed, and new more powerful techniques have been created, its very likely he would lose. He has shown nothing that would stand against a jutsu like Sussano, and he was already defeated by the Death God jutsu.

And, the manga states that Sarturobi was The Strongest Hokage ever. Hirashima was a Hokage, so Sarturobi is stronger than him. And he proved it when he defeated him in battle while Hirashima had his brother helping him and he was immortal.

[Seriph2]

First off, we have no proof that his eyes are the source of his space time jutsu, so I don't know where you go that.

Secondly, how would he lose if he can't be hurt? If he and Hirashima clashed a lot, and Madara always had the space time jutsu, he would have killed Hirashima when they first met. This is just common sense.

And how do we know what Madara's goals really are? Perhaps he wants to reviive his dead brother? He can't do that with his current self.

Madara's goals might not be tied to personal power. After living for so long he wants something that he can't get now.

As for getting his old eyes, the EMS hold secrets we don't know about. It could all be tied back the Kyuubi. As for his reason of gathering all the Biju's, again we don't know his plans. If he didn't want the Biju why would he go send Kisame after Killerbee?

You're right there is no definite proof but what kakashi did to deidira is REMARKABLY similar in nature. He warped time and space sending his arm to another dimension.... IMO its the closest thing to what madara is doing and I'm pretty sure if thats the case it is sharingan related.

That is a flat out ASSUMPTION who says he cant be hurt? A paragraph earlier you said yourself that you dont know the source or nature of Madara's ability but you claim that he CANNOT be hurt as if its factual? It has nothing to do with common sense, common sense would dictate there HAS to be a counter or else there is no point in continuing the manga NOBODY would have a chance against him and all future character development be it sasuke or naruto is trivial.

I never said anything about him not wanting the Bijuu, I said that IS what hes after and that doesnt have anything to do with the sharingan.... If he wanted to revive his dead brother he could have done that with the help of Oro who he COULD have surely forced to do his bidding.

The facts are Hirashima defeated Madara, we dont know if he had those powers, but we also know that the sharingan through repeated use isnt something that exactly gets infinitely stronger as shown by Itachi and his deteriorated eyes.... Like I said it just makes a lot more sense to me for him to have been defeated even with this ability and thus is in need for more power. If he is already invulnerable and unbeatable I just cant see him being reliant on so many external factors.

[adel123456789]

Gee i din't know i know i hurt your feeling, i only called you biased as a joke. anyaway you believe Hishirama is not the strongest while i do so lets leave it at that and move on:)

i think he was the strongest in his time. but now (saratubi, minato, jiraya, itachi), naruto (KSM:Kyuubi Sage Mode), posebly sasuke are stronger then him now. and the third did beat him and his brother at the age of 60 while they were 30-40 at least.

[Delbi]

show me one instant of kakashi tech being different with the sharingan, sorry my friend.
copying justu kakashi
copying justu everyone else
ms kakashi
ms everyone else
chakra drain kakashi
chakra drain everyone
but lets see has kakshi killed his best friend or the person closest to him when he had the sharingan
no
has he killed his brother
no
he achieve ms out of his own will yes everyone close to kakashi is already dead maybe that gave him the mind set
but the thing madara sasuke and itachi all have in common they killed those who were closet to them with their own hand
dude in no idiot but the all the sign point in one direction

Sasuke didn't kill Itachi, Itachi died in front of him.

Also, it was never stated how Madara got MS, he got EMS by stealing his brothers eyes, that's all we know.

And Kakashi can use Kamui, a MS technique, that no other Uchiha has ever used.

So, once you stop making shit up and use actual evidence, you will cease to be an idoit.
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i think he was the strongest in his time. but now, saratubi, minato, jiraya, itachi, naruto (KSM:Kyuubi Sage Mode) are stronger then him now. and the third did beat him and his brother at the age of 60.

Thank you, finally someone with some sense.

[Essence]

Thank you, finally someone with some sense.

I fail to see the logic in this, so just because i believe hishirama is the strongest, i don't have any sense

[Makayo]

Considering Madara's Kekkai Genkai only allowed him control over 1 Biju, the Kyuubi, not all 9 of them, it would have been difficult for him to do so.

And since Hirashima didn't live in the current ninja world, where 70 years have passed, and new more powerful techniques have been created, its very likely he would lose. He has shown nothing that would stand against a jutsu like Sussano, and he was already defeated by the Death God jutsu.

And, the manga states that Sarturobi was The Strongest Hokage ever. Hirashima was a Hokage, so Sarturobi is stronger than him. And he proved it when he defeated him in battle while Hirashima had his brother helping him and he was immortal.

the first was defeated by the death god the the 4th invented 70 years later as you put it wow dude wow.

im not saying he is the strongest the 3rd would have given him a run for his money for sure, but to say that itachi or madara would have beaten him now. Man even from you own arguement you fall the MS gave madara control of just the kyubii the 1st controlled them all
thats a difference in power right there

and it is proven the sharingan can control more than the kyubii sasuke used it on the snake manda i think is his name

and all these young ass ninja didnt live in hirishamas world where even zabuza said when he was saukes age his hands were soaked in blood and that was after the 1st died.

[adel123456789]

Sasuke didn't kill Itachi, Itachi died in front of him.

Also, it was never stated how Madara got MS, he got EMS by stealing his brothers eyes, that's all we know.

And Kakashi can use Kamui, a MS technique, that no other Uchiha has ever used.

So, once you stop making shit up and use actual evidence, you will cease to be an idoit.
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Thank you, finally someone with some sense.

yuot welcom.

madara said to sasue that he killed his best friend when he talked to sasuke. dont remeber teh page exactly

and what is the kamui jutsu anyway.
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I fail to see the logic in tthis, so just because i beleiev hishirama is the strongest, i don't have any sense

hishirama was the strongest in his time. you say that he is stell the strongest.

[Makayo]

Sasuke didn't kill Itachi, Itachi died in front of him.

Also, it was never stated how Madara got MS, he got EMS by stealing his brothers eyes, that's all we know.

And Kakashi can use Kamui, a MS technique, that no other Uchiha has ever used.

So, once you stop making shit up and use actual evidence, you will cease to be an idoit.
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Thank you, finally someone with some sense.

Remember the whole killing posting b4 yeah we talked about that,
and the kamui looks or acts alot like the space time justu tobi uses so just from extrapolation.

And jsut to clarify the whole killin aspect if sasue didnt make itachi use all that chakra and they sat down like good little boys and talked it out he wouldnt have expended his life force away.

[Seriph2]

i think he was the strongest in his time. but now (saratubi, minato, jiraya, itachi), naruto (KSM:Kyuubi Sage Mode), posebly sasuke are stronger then him now. and the third did beat him and his brother at the age of 60 while they were 30-40 at least.

Im not arguing who is the "strongest" out of those, but as I've already stated just because ONE person isnt suited to defeat someone doesnt mean another isnt. We dont know how the First beat madara, but we've been shown plenty of matchups throughout the manga that certain fighters deemed "more powerful" would have probably lost to certain foes where "lesser" fighters prevailed. Sasori comes to mind......

[KaNx]

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[Delbi]

You're right there is no definite proof but what kakashi did to deidira is REMARKABLY similar in nature. He warped time and space sending his arm to another dimension.... IMO its the closest thing to what madara is doing and I'm pretty sure if thats the case it is sharingan related.

I don't see how he sent his arm to another dimension when it was still present in the dimension everyone else was in. The attacks phased through him.

Also, his technique resembles the Hirashin a lot, perhaps he just perfected Minato's technique? Afterall, he did fight Minato and he does have the Sharigan, so he could have copied it and perfected it.



That is a flat out ASSUMPTION who says he cant be hurt? A paragraph earlier you said yourself that you dont know the source or nature of Madara's ability but you claim that he CANNOT be hurt as if its factual?

He survived a nuclear blast by Deidara.
He escape Ameratsu with no damage.
He let a Rasengan pass through him.
He let a Chidori pass through him.

The only things in my mind that have any chance at hurting him are the Death God, and Sussano. Now, the only known user of the Death God are dead. And the only known user of Sussano is dead. The only person it would seem that is capable of killing Madara is Sasuke, and that's under the assumption that Sasuke has Sussano, and that Sussano's sword could actually hurt Madara.



If he is already invulnerable and unbeatable I just cant see him being reliant on so many external factors.

When do bad guys ever do things themselves? Besides, if he just got these powers recently, that doesn't mean he has his old powers anymore.

Itachi said he was a shell of his former self. Something is wrong with him, what that is we don't know.
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I fail to see the logic in this, so just because i believe hishirama is the strongest, i don't have any sense

The manga stated Sarturobi was stronger than him. So yes, I think you have no sense for disagreeing with a statement proved as canon.
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madara said to sasue that he killed his best friend when he talked to sasuke. dont remeber teh page exactly

and what is the kamui jutsu anyway.


I'll look for that page, I have nothing better to do at the moment.

And Kaumi is the name of Kakashi's MS jutsu, it was stated in the latest Databook.

[Essence]

The manga stated Sarturobi was stronger than him. So yes, I think you have no sense for disagreeing with a statement proved as canon.

Lol, if you keep going at this rate i will feel like i'm getting bash by you. My point was that even tough kishi said sarutobi was the strongest back then, it can change because feels it best serve the story, these things always happen especially in databook, kishi once said hokage has to know a 1000 justu but yet he change that which could also mean he done the samee, its not uncommon to see writers contradict themseleves like that by changing certain things. Canon materials tend to change in many stories so you shouldnt rule this out.

[Delbi]

the first was defeated by the death god the the 4th invented 70 years later as you put it wow dude wow.
im not saying he is the strongest the 3rd would have given him a run for his money for sure, but to say that itachi or madara would have beaten him now. Man even from you own arguement you fall the MS gave madara control of just the kyubii the 1st controlled them all
thats a difference in power right there

and it is proven the sharingan can control more than the kyubii sasuke used it on the snake manda i think is his name

and all these young ass ninja didnt live in hirishamas world where even zabuza said when he was saukes age his hands were soaked in blood and that was after the 1st died.

You just proved my point with that bolded part. How would Hirashima defeat people with jutsu he's never even seen?

Hirashima's ability to control Biju has nothing to do with his battle prowess. If you strip him of the Biju, whcih aren't part of his power to begin with, he can't do much aside from Moukton. And the Bjiu have shown to be inferior to shinobi, Deidara beat the shit out of the 3 tails. Only the Kyuubi would seem to be a worthy opponent for a high class ninja, that's why Madara wants it so bad.

As for these young ninja, yea they live in a beautiful world. Akatsuki is wreaking havoic all over the planet, and Konoha just got blown to pieces, but that's no big deal.
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Lol, if you keep going at this rate i will feel like i'm getting bash by you. My point was that even tough kishi said sarutobi was the strongest back then, it can change because feels it best serve the story, these things always happen especially in databook, kishi once said hokage has to know a 1000 justu but yet he change that which could also mean he done the samee, its not uncommon to see writers contradict themseleves like that by changing certain things.

And yet times change. Sarturobi was called the strongest Hokage after Hirashima was Hokage. That means, Sarturobi is always going to be stronger than Hirashima, but a future Hokage might prove to be stronger than Sarturobi.

The knowing 1000 thing, again, times change. I highly doubt Minato knew a 1000 jutsu, and yet he was Hokage before that statement was even made.
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To step away from this whole argument for a second, One Piece is out, so expect the Naruto chapter to come out soon hopefully.

[Seriph2]

I don't see how he sent his arm to another dimension when it was still present in the dimension everyone else was in. The attacks phased through him.

Also, his technique resembles the Hirashin a lot, perhaps he just perfected Minato's technique? Afterall, he did fight Minato and he does have the Sharigan, so he could have copied it and perfected it.


He survived a nuclear blast by Deidara.
He escape Ameratsu with no damage.
He let a Rasengan pass through him.
He let a Chidori pass through him.

The only things in my mind that have any chance at hurting him are the Death God, and Sussano. Now, the only known user of the Death God are dead. And the only known user of Sussano is dead. The only person it would seem that is capable of killing Madara is Sasuke, and that's under the assumption that Sasuke has Sussano, and that Sussano's sword could actually hurt Madara.



When do bad guys ever do things themselves? Besides, if he just got these powers recently, that doesn't mean he has his old powers anymore.

Itachi said he was a shell of his former self. Something is wrong with him, what that is we don't know.
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The manga stated Sarturobi was stronger than him. So yes, I think you have no sense for disagreeing with a statement proved as canon.


So because CURRENT attacks used against him havent done any harm he is impervious to EVERYTHING? Thats the whole point, he is made out to be impervious to everything just like Aizen is seemingly unbeatable, if he had been shown injured by any of those mentioned attacks this would be a non issue now wouldnt it?

But theres no point in arguing about something neither of us can prove with actual facts. These are all assumptions, I just believe it makes more sense for the reason behind Madara seeking more power being that he is fully aware that there is a counter to this ability having experienced defeat.\


Oh and i believe it has been stated that Kakashi's MS ability sends things to another dimension which is what he did to Deidara.... I would look it up but im too lazy and I honestly just dont care that much about this discussion to back it up :)

[Essence]

You just proved my point with that bolded part. How would Hirashima defeat people with jutsu he's never even seen?

Hirashima's ability to control Biju has nothing to do with his battle prowess. If you strip him of the Biju, whcih aren't part of his power to begin with, he can't do much aside from Moukton. And the Bjiu have shown to be inferior to shinobi, Deidara beat the shit out of the 3 tails. Only the Kyuubi would seem to be a worthy opponent for a high class ninja, that's why Madara wants it so bad.

As for these young ninja, yea they live in a beautiful world. Akatsuki is wreaking havoic all over the planet, and Konoha just got blown to pieces, but that's no big deal.
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And yet times change. Sarturobi was called the strongest Hokage after Hirashima was Hokage. That means, Sarturobi is always going to be stronger than Hirashima, but a future Hokage might prove to be stronger than Sarturobi.

The knowing 1000 thing, again, times change. I highly doubt Minato knew a 1000 jutsu, and yet he was Hokage before that statement was even made.
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To step away from this whole argument for a second, One Piece is out, so expect the Naruto chapter to come out soon hopefully.

I understand the concept of time changing and a new generation growing stronger, but still i find hishirama to be formidable and he could beat itachi even today, that's my opinion but it cant be ruled out because hishirama was of a older generation. rikudou Sennin is a ninja that lived long ago but yet i'm sure he could do the same to itachi.

[Delbi]

Ahh, Madara did indeed kill his best friend, I am proven wrong. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

What troubles me about this though, he says he killed his brother, but then he said his brother gave him his eyes willingly. That doesn't make any sense, why did he kill his brother if he gave him his eyes?

[lionrider]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/10-11/

Oh my.. Im shock and almost lead to believe that those 7 swords being use by the First is the 7 Swords of the 7 swords man of mist? but nah.. but it seems like whatever.. hehe

[Makayo]

it doesnt say madara space time jutsu results from the sharingan or the sm or the ems, but i dont put it past it the forth didnt use hand seals for his he use seals on a kunai so i dont see how madara would have copied it remember it its any visible hand seals

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/
here he says he killed is own friend i already showed you that page by the way
and itachi was trained by madara the only other person he knew to have the MS so i dont see how he came up with all these jutsu by himself utilizing the ms
then for sasuke to have these abilities aswell
another point madara put out the amatetsu he didnt escape it with no damage proving he can use amaretsu cause sasuke put the flames out as well
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You just proved my point with that bolded part. How would Hirashima defeat people with jutsu he's never even seen?

Hirashima's ability to control Biju has nothing to do with his battle prowess. If you strip him of the Biju, whcih aren't part of his power to begin with, he can't do much aside from Moukton. And the Bjiu have shown to be inferior to shinobi, Deidara beat the shit out of the 3 tails. Only the Kyuubi would seem to be a worthy opponent for a high class ninja, that's why Madara wants it so bad.

As for these young ninja, yea they live in a beautiful world. Akatsuki is wreaking havoic all over the planet, and Konoha just got blown to pieces, but that's no big deal.
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And yet times change. Sarturobi was called the strongest Hokage after Hirashima was Hokage. That means, Sarturobi is always going to be stronger than Hirashima, but a future Hokage might prove to be stronger than Sarturobi.

The knowing 1000 thing, again, times change. I highly doubt Minato knew a 1000 jutsu, and yet he was Hokage before that statement was even made.
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To step away from this whole argument for a second, One Piece is out, so expect the Naruto chapter to come out soon hopefully.

i bolded your statement, not mine and did the firs travel forward intime to be defeat by that jutsu do you not read your own posts
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Ahh, Madara did indeed kill his best friend, I am proven wrong. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/

What troubles me about this though, he says he killed his brother, but then he said his brother gave him his eyes willingly. That doesn't make any sense, why did he kill his brother if he gave him his eyes?

Cause the dudes a liar yet you all follow him like sheeep baaa

[lionrider]

I understand the concept of time changing and a new generation growing stronger, but still i find hishirama to be formidable and he could beat itachi even today, that's my opinion but it cant be ruled out because hishirama was of a older generation. rikudou Sennin is a ninja that lived long ago but yet i'm sure he could do the same to itachi.

Yeah i agree with you too.. so are we going to kill KISHI for this messy story.. and data book :D

[Delbi]

I understand the concept of time changing and a new generation growing stronger, but still i find hishirama to be formidable and he could beat itachi even today, that's my opinion but it cant be ruled out because hishirama was of a older generation. rikudou Sennin is a ninja that lived long ago but yet i'm sure he could do the same to itachi.

Eh, but I ask again, how would Hirashima deal with something like Sussano?

As for Ridokou, he was literally a God, but then again what is truth and what is lie with him. Did he really create the Moon?

And with Ridokou, he crreated Ninjutsu, but he didn't have avaliable to him the ninjutsu of today.

I'd think one of the first Greek boxers who fought in fistcuffs would get his shit kicked in by Ali or Tyson. Advancements in training, technology, etc all play a role in why current ninja are better than the old ones.

Kishi even pushes the whole young surpass the old. Time and time again, the young generation beat their older counter parts, and you even have people like Orochimaru and Kakashi admitting inferiority to ninja like Sasuke and Naruto.

[Seriph2]

it doesnt say madara space time jutsu results from the sharingan or the sm or the ems, but i dont put it past it the forth didnt use hand seals for his he use seals on a kunai so i dont see how madara would have copied it remember it its any visible hand seals

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/
here he says he killed is own friend i already showed you that page by the way
and itachi was trained by madara the only other person he knew to have the MS so i dont see how he came up with all these jutsu by himself utilizing the ms
then for sasuke to have these abilities aswell
another point madara put out the amatetsu he didnt escape it with no damage proving he can use amaretsu cause sasuke put the flames out as well
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i bolded you statement not mine id the firs travel forward intime to be defeat by that jutsu do you not read your own posts
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Cause the dudes a liar yet you all follow him like sheeep baaa



Yah Im not saying I have any definite proof for saying Madara's ability is sharingan related but I believe it has been stated by Kakashi that HIS attack is space time related which would make it the closest thing to what Madara has shown.... also good point about the hand seals if there are none Madara couldn't have cloned the ability.

[Delbi]

and itachi was trained by madara the only other person he knew to have the MS so i dont see how he came up with all these jutsu by himself utilizing the ms
then for sasuke to have these abilities aswell
another point madara put out the amatetsu he didnt escape it with no damage proving he can use amaretsu cause sasuke put the flames out as well

Itachi stated himself that he awakened all his eye techniques when he first achieved his MS, so Madara obviously didn't teach him about them.

Also, Sasuke used his MS jutsu without any help from Madara.

And how do you know Madara put Ameratsu out? Perhaps he used his space time jutus to go somewhere and then let them phase through him.

Again, you are making shit up. I admitted when I was wrong, maybe you should too.

[Essence]

Eh, but I ask again, how would Hirashima deal with something like Sussano?

As for Ridokou, he was literally a God, but then again what is truth and what is lie with him. Did he really create the Moon?

And with Ridokou, he crreated Ninjutsu, but he didn't have avaliable to him the ninjutsu of today.

I'd think one of the first Greek boxers who fought in fistcuffs would get his shit kicked in by Ali or Tyson. Advancements in training, technology, etc all play a role in why current ninja are better than the old ones.

Kishi even pushes the whole young surpass the old. Time and time again, the young generation beat their older counter parts, and you even have people like Orochimaru and Kakashi admitting inferiority to ninja like Sasuke and Naruto.

And the obvious answer we haven't seen all of Hishirama tricks so you cant say he cant beat Susanno, that's like saying jiraiya probably cant beat suanoo just because we havent seen him have a technique that can counter it.

[J1nsan]

Naruto's eye is covered so in a few chapters he's going to have Sharingan also. For every covered eye you receive a sharingan as a novelty item ;) *thumbs up*

[Delbi]

And the obvious answer we haven't seen all of Hishirama tricks so you cant say he cant beat Susanno, that's like saying jiraiya probably cant beat suanoo just because we havent seen a technique that can counter it.

We have seen but a fraction of Kakashi's 1000 technique, but he doesn't have anything that could stop Sussano.

Jiraiya, also, went all out against Pain, he held nothing back. If had something that could have stopped a jutsu like Sussano he would of used it to save his own life and fight on.

Hirashima was known for Moukton, if he had somehting that could have stopped Sussano, why didn't he try and use it to stop the Death God?

If we start assuming shit, I could assume that if Itachi were serious no one could defeat him.

There is no evidence supporting the fact that Hirashima could stop Sussano, and he's dead so were not going to be seeing anymore of him.

[Makayo]

I dont think the firs tis the strongest by any means i think the 3rd is, but i dont think he was a weak punk, and i also think the fought again the sharingan and the ms and the ems and its basic tech

i dont think itachi create these tech because madara taught him
and i certainly dont think sasuke created these techs

that leave the possibility that they were created in the 70 to 80 yr span which would mean the 4th faced them.

and if the 1st didnt expereince these tech and there are no other tech specific to the ms and ems iunno what else is there.

I really dont think people were killing their best friend and ther brother for more copy cat ms and ems techniqque it doesnt make sense.

even if we f all that it says that he achieve the ultimate eye tech and he used that on the 1st unless that ultimate eye tech is immortality

You can't rate them as they are by the way, if you brought them to this stage now and had them all in an area in their prime it willbe hard to tell who wins but i think sarutobi has the advantage buthe 4th was cut down way b4 his prime so iunno but the 1st had to have dealt with different eye techs include the big 3
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Itachi stated himself that he awakened all his eye techniques when he first achieved his MS, so Madara obviously didn't teach him about them.

Also, Sasuke used his MS jutsu without any help from Madara.

And how do you know Madara put Ameratsu out? Perhaps he used his space time jutus to go somewhere and then let them phase through him.

Again, you are making shit up. I admitted when I was wrong, maybe you should too.

i didnt say madara helped sasuke
i said sasuke used the same techs
madara trained itachi so saying he did help him awaken the techniques what the hell did he need madara for he had the ms

so why did he train him he could have jsut been im better i got all the tech already peace
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ohh i am wrong on the kakashi part the and the fact that the 1st definately faced the tech, i am definately wrong cause im not sure i jsut dont see the logic in waken the ms with no benifit

p.s way off topic where is one peice released i want to read

[DEATHBOTT]

i was under the immpression that ms gave you 3 techniques, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo. And then if you unlock ems you get a forth technique which im pretty sure madara even said happened. Also the reason kakashi doesnt have normal techs is could be explained by him ot being a true uchiha or that he gained it in a obscure way. That would mean madara has or had the three techniques when he had ms and had the forth when he had ems. the time space jutsu could be that but i dont think it is or has anything to do with the sharingan because he never has been shown without the normal sharingan when useing it and he also stated that he had lost ems.

[Delbi]

@Makayo, you are assuming that Madara had the same eye techniques as Itachi and Sasuke, and there is no evidence supporting that.

Also, Madara could of had other MS techniques. Perhaps each pair of brothers have their own MS techniques, and that's why Sasuke and Itachi's are the same, and why Kakashi's is different.

The techniques were not created, they simply existed in the eyes of the Mangekyou Sharigan user, they are Kekkai Genkai and thus they were unlocked.

[Essence]

We have seen but a fraction of Kakashi's 1000 technique, but he doesn't have anything that could stop Sussano.

Jiraiya, also, went all out against Pain, he held nothing back. If had something that could have stopped a jutsu like Sussano he would of used it to save his own life and fight on.

Hirashima was known for Moukton, if he had somehting that could have stopped Sussano, why didn't he try and use it to stop the Death God?

If we start assuming shit, I could assume that if Itachi were serious no one could defeat him.

There is no evidence supporting the fact that Hirashima could stop Sussano, and he's dead so were not going to be seeing anymore of him.

Umm okay, jiraiya could have a technique that is suited as a counter for susannoo yet not pain jutsu, you could look at it from the whole element things where they have different efect toward each other, it can be pretty much the same with jutsus, its kinda of like if sasuke was fighting naruto and naruto has a jutsu that can beat Kirin, sasuke wouldn't use it and might use amaterasu intead because he knows naruto has no counter against it. but yet sasuke would probably use kirin in another battle because he know that person cant counter Kirin.

[Delbi]

Umm okay, jiraiya could have a technique that is suited as a counter for susannoo yet not pain jutsu, you could look at it from the whole element things where they have different efect toward each other, it can be pretty much the same with jutsus, its kinda of like if sasuke was fighting naruto and naruto has a jutsu that can beat Kirin, he wouldn't use it and might use amaterasu intead because he knows naruto has no counter against it. but yet sasuke would probably use kirin in another battle because he know that person cant counter Kirin.

You are assuming way too much. Maybe Itachi has a jutsu that could kill Madara, but he never felt like using it because he wants his brother to be the hero. :notrust

We have to be realistic here. Nothing in the entire manga has been able to stop something like Sussano, it probably doesn't even exist. To assume that Jiraiya or Hirashima could have something of that magnitude and power when they have never shown something of that nature, or on that scale, is just stupid if you ask me.

We have to use facts and evidence. The second we start assuming shit when talking about stuff like this the arguments go to shit because we can both assume all day long.

[Makayo]

@Makayo, you are assuming that Madara had the same eye techniques as Itachi and Sasuke, and there is no evidence supporting that.

Also, Madara could of had other MS techniques. Perhaps each pair of brothers have their own MS techniques, and that's why Sasuke and Itachi's are the same, and why Kakashi's is different.

The techniques were not created, they simply existed in the eyes of the Mangekyou Sharigan user, they are Kekkai Genkai and thus they were unlocked.

true very true i have no evidence but there is no evidence supporting your claim either

one thing about bloodlines they dont just run throught two brothers is the whole clan, thats why haku's whole clan had the same limit kimirow whole clan that the same ability

but that is not to say that you are wrong for like kimamarow clan they could have had different dances or different bone tech
and hakus could have had ent ice arrangement in different sizes

[TheLoneWarrior222]

Wow. Holy off-topic Batman.

Danzou just stabbed a dude on the ground as he was trying to get up, in the throat. Then used his dead body to block incoming swords with Danzou's sword still in his neck. How awesome is that?

[Makayo]

@Makayo, you are assuming that Madara had the same eye techniques as Itachi and Sasuke, and there is no evidence supporting that.

Also, Madara could of had other MS techniques. Perhaps each pair of brothers have their own MS techniques, and that's why Sasuke and Itachi's are the same, and why Kakashi's is different.

The techniques were not created, they simply existed in the eyes of the Mangekyou Sharigan user, they are Kekkai Genkai and thus they were unlocked.

but i gotta go nap for a bit but
i like ur logic dude raised some good points

[Delbi]

true very true i have no evidence but there is no evidence supporting your claim either

one thing about bloodlines they dont just run throught two brothers is the whole clan, thats why haku's whole clan had the same limit kimirow whole clan that the same ability

but that is not to say that you are wrong for like kimamarow clan they could have had different dances or different bone tech
and hakus could have had ent ice arrangement in different sizes

Kimi was the only one who could use his Kekkai Genkai the way he did, his clansmen feared him, that's why they locked him in a cage.

The power of Kekkai Genkai differs between user. Itachi and Sasuke are both evidence of this. Sasuke was able to withstand Tsyukiyomi without MS.

Until Madara shows us that he has the same MS techniques of Sasuke and Itachi, then he doesn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm using the facts that he hasn't shown it yet that he doesn't have it. If you start assuming that Madara has those, then I can assume he lost to Hirashima on purpose, and that's why he's still alive today.

Also, we can't believe a word Madara says, he's known to lie, and has some secret agenda that only Zetsu seems to have any idea about.

[Essence]

You are assuming way too much. Maybe Itachi has a jutsu that could kill Madara, but he never felt like using it because he wants his brother to be the hero. :notrust

We have to be realistic here. Nothing in the entire manga has been able to stop something like Sussano, it probably doesn't even exist. To assume that Jiraiya or Hirashima could have something of that magnitude and power when they have never shown something of that nature, or on that scale, is just stupid if you ask me.

We have to use facts and evidence. The second we start assuming shit when talking about stuff like this the arguments go to shit because we can both assume all day long.

Lol i aint know you had a funny sense of humor with the whole itachi thing. Very well the manga is the greatest of cannon but i'm not wrong for assuming just like you assume tto, you say that itachi would be the strongest if he wasn't sick, that's assuming but never been proven by the manga. But yet i can partially agree when you said that because you based it on the manga even tough it hasn't been proven true, this is what i'm doing, even tough it hasn't been proving true, i'm using the manga to base my assumption.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Ah brings me back to the good ol' days of Naruto when villains were merciless and Kishi showed some nice gore.

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/41018/4?t=1247736033

[Delbi]

Lol i aint know you had a funny sense of humor with the whole itachi thing. Very well the manga is the greatest of cannon but i'm not wrong for assuming just like you assume tto, you say that itachi would be the strongest if he wasn't sick, that's assuming but never been proven by the manga. But yet i can partially agree when you said that because you based it on the manga even tough it hasn't been proven true, this is what i'm doing, even tough it has been proving true, i'm using the manga to base my assumption.

Lol, but Sarturobi was stated to be stronger than Hirashima. No one has ever been stated to be stronger than Itachi. Not to mention, we have never seen Itachi when he was healthy or fighting serious. There's a difference it what I was assuming, and what you are assuming. You are assuming something that is in direct conflict with the manga.

I'm done with all this for now, I'm actually tired enough to sleep for once, i've been on planes all day and I need some sleep or I'm going to feel like shit later, peace.

[hawaplop]

I think this is awesome so far. Ninjas was created because of samarui's. I was wondering if he would have ever put them in the manga. He should not make them fodder as samuais was more powerful then actual ninjas. Thats why they hid in the darkness. Also Danzou with the sharingan is going to piss Sasuke the hell off. I absolutely love it. Its starting to seem to me that Danzou had them killed (Uchihas) thinking that him and Kakashi would be the only one left with those eyes. He couldn't do nothing to Kakashi he is a hero in Konoha. I also have a decent theory on hand. It was stated that Zabuza killed the mizukage. He came from the error of the blood mist. I think Madara faked his death a second time. This time it was to Zabuza. What do you guys think?

if danzo's plan was executed perfectly then wouldn't itachi still have the sharingan after the massacre had he killed sasuke? He might have still been a missing nin but he would still possess the sharingan.

I have a feeling the reason Zabuza couldn't kill the mizukage (if it was madara at that point in time) based on tobi's ability to absorb attacks without any effects. i dont remember if he was stopped before physically trying to kill him? Maybe madara left the mist village for akatsuki before too much was known about him throughout the villages. If a sharingan was noticed in a country different than Konoha, wouldn't that make for some big news around the shinobi world. Konoha would definitely figure it out and maybe ruin madara's plans before they ever started

I also don't think its 100% that attacks by sasuke will be made during the summit. i'm thinking naruto and co. will interrupt the meeting, fail at convincing the raikage that he should leave sasuke alone, and then sasuke will attack danzou afterwards. sasuke will be super-shocked to see raikage attack him cuz i dont think he knows killerbee was his brother. i hope zetsu finally does some type of ninjutsu, although i suspect he is worthless in battle.

[Essence]

Lol, but Sarturobi was stated to be stronger than Hirashima. No one has ever been stated to be stronger than Itachi. Not to mention, we have never seen Itachi when he was healthy or fighting serious. There's a difference it what I was assuming, and what you are assuming. You are assuming something that is in direct conflict with the manga.

There are ton of evidence that say itachi wasn't the strongest like Pain has display far more power than itachi evn tough i like itachi. Plus again theres nothing that said itachi was the strongest, that was the whole fanboys craze, sure he was one of the most talented of uchiha but does that mean he was qualify to be the best. And also we never seen itachi fighting serious when he was healthy okay, well we have never seen Hishirama fighting at full strength and all his moves, therefore we are assuming.

[nianiote]

So, Danzou has a sword too ? He lifted that guy so swiftly with only one hand...The guy is good.
And he could teach Naruto one or two things about Futon jutsu too.

[n1j0l4]

Shit! I'm waiting for the Italian Scanlation...

[Grizz]

I would seriously weird if danzou became naruto's master.. and started to teach all these amazing fuuton jutsu's and then naruto ends up killing him with it...

[Makayo]

Kimi was the only one who could use his Kekkai Genkai the way he did, his clansmen feared him, that's why they locked him in a cage.

The power of Kekkai Genkai differs between user. Itachi and Sasuke are both evidence of this. Sasuke was able to withstand Tsyukiyomi without MS.

Until Madara shows us that he has the same MS techniques of Sasuke and Itachi, then he doesn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm using the facts that he hasn't shown it yet that he doesn't have it. If you start assuming that Madara has those, then I can assume he lost to Hirashima on purpose, and that's why he's still alive today.

Also, we can't believe a word Madara says, he's known to lie, and has some secret agenda that only Zetsu seems to have any idea about.
i got this from naruto wiki so iunno how solid it is but it was my basis for the arguement

No two Mangekyo Sharingan users have been seen using the same jutsu, but Madara appears knowledgeable of all Mangekyo Sharingan techniques.

jsut the fact the he know them all it seem that he either encountered them before or created some but assuming again

[Essence]

I would seriously weird if danzou became naruto's master.. and started to teach all these amazing fuuton jutsu's and then naruto ends up killing him with it...

too bad it won't never happen, by the way why have you gone all simpson so sudden.

[Grizz]

too bad it won't never happen, by the way why have you gone all simpson so sudden.

Yeah i knw it will never happened.. i dnt know i just woke up feeling simpsonish today....

[Essence]

Yeah i knw it will never happened.. i dnt know i just woke up feeling simpsonish today....

but still danzou might use these deadly skill against naruto in the upcoming chapters. Its weird the fact you went all simpson, today i wanted to create a ninja who love to sleep and somebody said i should name him Homer.

[hawaplop]

Has anyone thought of a scenario where sasuke dies in narutos arms by madara's doings in some form, and naruto breaking the kyubbi seal again and going to 9-tailed transformation. will madara be able to control kyubbi then, thus controlling naruto? or is this where itachis gift helps him control it better..

[The Closet Pervert]

Here's an interesting note: Danzou's Sharingan seems to be just fine now. Maybe the deforming was just a perspective thing.

I like Danzou. He knows no mercy..and I like it. Finally someone who obviously has immunity to "Convert no Jutsu" :)

Danzo for Hokage! Konoha needs him right now.

[Poisok2]

Well, in my humble opinion, one of the best Naruto Chapters in a long long time. Like someone said earlier, we finally get to see them acting like ninja again, as it was in the beggining of the series. It's as if Kishi remembered the world he created in the beggining of Naruto, and finally though of continue to use the same rules, at the same time expanding our view over it.

[adel123456789]

Umm okay, jiraiya could have a technique that is suited as a counter for susannoo yet not pain jutsu, you could look at it from the whole element things where they have different efect toward each other, it can be pretty much the same with jutsus, its kinda of like if sasuke was fighting naruto and naruto has a jutsu that can beat Kirin, sasuke wouldn't use it and might use amaterasu intead because he knows naruto has no counter against it. but yet sasuke would probably use kirin in another battle because he know that person cant counter Kirin.

could have a jutsu is like fanfiction. its the same as saying he could have survived agenst pien when he was killed by pien.

[Zibi234]

but danzou is as curel as Madara.... so maybe they have something in common after all.... he defeated that guy yet he pirced his neck with sword is kinda cruel for a hokage.... (even sasuke is not as cruel as danzou and sasuke is a uchiha...)

well this chapter was not so amazeing after all..... it was kinda borring but well it allways starts this way before serious fights...

from this chapter we learn how cruel danzou is.... omoi,karui were kinda worried over naruto.... we see how good natured mizukage is towards young ones (like a mother...) and above all we learn about samuirai's in naruto world...

but kinda funny was that scene in library.... Omoi complains... karui yells.... konoha guy ask to be damn quiet.... samui says sorry.... but after that she yells even louder than omoi or karui XDXD

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Out of all the Kages, Danzou seems to be the only bad one, Konoha may be teamed against in the summit.

[Xiraiya]

Haha wow, Danzou seems like he'll give people a run for their Money, I suppose he wouldn't have been Hokage if he was weak.

I'll be interested in seeing Danzou after he gets fixed up by Kabuto.

Naruto looks completely badass on page 8 of RAW
(Side on facing Konohamaru)

[Apollo1984]

Has anyone thought of a scenario where sasuke dies in narutos arms by madara's doings in some form, and naruto breaking the kyubbi seal again and going to 9-tailed transformation. will madara be able to control kyubbi then, thus controlling naruto? or is this where itachis gift helps him control it better..


I think sasuke will survive. I have a feeling Naruto will sacrifice himself by using the 9-tailes charka and Shiki Fūjin to seal madara and the tailed beast, rather than have them lead for another conflict

sorry for the bad englisch

[bean]

so...danzou needs his arm repaired or whatever, but he seems to have no problem with it...

[adel123456789]

so...danzou needs his arm repaired or whatever, but he seems to have no problem with it...

i think its not at its full potential.

[Smokes]

Tip of the hat to Danzou. That was the most gangster fodder nin beat down in the story so far. LOL...those guys trained there entire lives to be dead before they even hit the ground.
What the heck kind of plan of attack was that? On the count of three, everybody just jump at him. 1...2..."!?"

[Xiraiya]

It seems like he can at least move it and do hand seals.

Though he probably can't do anything that might require considerable physical effort by that arm.

[bean]

It seems like he can at least move it and do hand seals.

Though he probably can't do anything that might require considerable physical effort by that arm.
not like he needs to...I mean, I don't think he wants it fixed so he can use chop sticks with his right hand. Oro wanted his arms fixed so he can do hand seals...danzou can do those. His attacks come from his mouth...I mean, he seems proficient enough, so what does he need his other arm "fixed"?

[Exodi]

Gee....Danzou is rather violent.


I like it.

[Xiraiya]

not like he needs to...I mean, I don't think he wants it fixed so he can use chop sticks with his right hand. Oro wanted his arms fixed so he can do hand seals...danzou can do those. His attacks come from his mouth...I mean, he seems proficient enough, so what does he need his other arm "fixed"?

So he can kill faster, because killing before the enemy hits the ground is just not enough for Danzou I'm afraid.

We don't know much about his jutsu other than he "seems" to use Wind Element, it could be that arm was required for some of his more powerful jutsu.

who knows...

[David Gill]

I just got a feeling Sasuke will survive and as Naruto will become Hokage of KONOHA, sasuke will become the leader of another country, maybe Mizukage.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

not like he needs to...I mean, I don't think he wants it fixed so he can use chop sticks with his right hand. Oro wanted his arms fixed so he can do hand seals...danzou can do those. His attacks come from his mouth...I mean, he seems proficient enough, so what does he need his other arm "fixed"?

Maybe just to get rid of the pain, also if he could move his other arm, he would be that much better at taijutsu.

[Jaegger]

Is there already a translated chapter out? I don't see any at onemanga.

[bean]

Maybe just to get rid of the pain, also if he could move his other arm, he would be that much better at taijutsu.
that's kinda my point...why would he need to?
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/41018/7?t=1247741631

[Smokes]

That one arm is fine, if he can keep his distance. If one of those nin had been as skilled as Kakashi and avoided that attack and closed the gap, he might have been boned. Unless he's just crazy agile, he'd need that arm for close quarters fights.

But I also thought that hand was going to be useless. It really surprised me that he could use it.

[nianiote]

hmm... the danzo fight scene is confusing me.

His stick is shown next to him in the opening scene (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/01/), then it disappears and resurface only at the end of the fight (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/).

And the sword he used to stab that nija in the head/throat, where does it come from? At first, I thought it was his, but it looks like the sword was falling (from one ninja) when he caught it (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/02/).

[makko]

that's kinda my point...why would he need to?
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/41018/7?t=1247741631

I see what you're saying for sure... but its relative to his opponent right? These dont seem like serious nin that are near his level. In a tougher fight an arm can only help. A better arm is just another option. As a nin you want as many options as poss.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

that's kinda my point...why would he need to?
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/41018/7?t=1247741631

He might need to, if he was facing someone much stronger, for example against Sandaime he would get royally f*cked in taijutsu. Also someone who also has a wind element, they could negate that attack from the mouth.

[Yans86]

I really really really hope and pray that The MIZUKAGE doesn't fall in love for Naruto..........unfortunately we can all see this coming....

[sindergi]

I really really really hope and pray that The MIZUKAGE doesn't fall in love for Naruto..........unfortunately we can all see this coming....

Nah, she falls in love with Kakashi. He needs a women, Naruto has already enough choices.

[Yans86]

Poor Kakashi ih ih ih i hi h ihi

[Mythsoul]

ahhhhh come on...it didn't show the sexy no jutsu......:notrust...great chapter though

[Moogle Mango]

Man Danzou's breath must really stink to do what it did! :D

Nice chapter!!

[Artiii]

I really really really hope and pray that The MIZUKAGE doesn't fall in love for Naruto..........unfortunately we can all see this coming....

I think Mizukage old for naruto... :p

[sindergi]

I think Mizukage old for naruto... :p

there is a german adage : On old ships you learn to sail.......:eyeroll
And it seems she has a affectation for young guys...this little swordsman of the mist :D

[OhDearMoshe]

Chapters out at Onemanga if anyone's missed it. I liked it, had a very fast pace and the story seems to be moving along quickly.

[Artiii]

there is a german adage : On old ships you learn to sail.......:eyeroll
And it seems she has a affectation for young guys...this little swordsman of the mist :D

Yeahh, your right...ten years ago and I was very young, I did this and I learn too many things :D

Maybe Naruto can learn some good things from Mizukage :eyeroll

[Smokes]

It's looking more and more like Naruto trained Konohamaru, and Ebisu just gave him some advice.

That technique that Danzou used. Wasn't that just that kazekiri that anbu teams use. If it was, that wasn't a very high level technique he used to slaughter those guys.....I'm enjoying this breakneck pace......You hear that Kubo? Sometimes fast is good damnit.

[THM Nindo]

I liked this chapter.

Favorite parts :

1. Danzou is one bad mofo. He has no pity killing a wounded guy and using him with his sword still in his head as a human shield.

THAT is a real ninja!

2. Naruto has really become like a sensei now. The way he act with Konohamaru (rubbbing his hair, and shit like that!).

3. Next chapter in color!!! Maybe we'll see Mizukage in color!! :tem
Finally can see if she's blond like I think.

Hopefully Kishi won't do any other color design disaster (after Nagato's red-hairs :barf)

[Bandreus]

I'm impressed by the long strike of good chapters Kishi is working out.

Danzou is strong, that's simply what we were waiting to see. If he manages to fix his arm and eye is going to be trouble for everybody I guess...
Hell, another sharingan user, where's the ninja world gonne end up? :P

By the way, this is going to set up something great! Remembers me the search for Itachi ark. There're going to be so many high level nins in just the same place, makes it for a pretty good amount of fights, can't wait for it :D

Pairings, anybody?

[Googlez_kun]

:spaz

this chapter was da SMEX:wtf
i loved it!every part of it!!!
it had everything!!:crying
now i have to get over my fanboyism to be able to discuss it!...

...(there are f*ckin' samurais!!!!!!:wtf)......

[Ramzal]

Lol, but Sarturobi was stated to be stronger than Hirashima. No one has ever been stated to be stronger than Itachi. Not to mention, we have never seen Itachi when he was healthy or fighting serious. There's a difference it what I was assuming, and what you are assuming. You are assuming something that is in direct conflict with the manga.


OBJECTION!

There are some key facts that you are forgetting. While it's been stated that Sarturobi was stronger than Hirashima, he's elderly. While he has power and knowledge, his body doesn't have the stamina levels that it once had. So simply, he's gotten weaker due to old age, which--has been stated and found true in his fight against Orochimaru.

Also, as far as Itachi goes, you could assume that he's the strongest but you'd be wrong. Remember what Sasuke told him. That he "believed that wiping out the entire clan would be impossible" for even Itachi alone. Which, honestly, would make sense. Everyone has their limits, but besides that, no one would know Itachi's limits better than Sasuke, his own little brother.

There is another fact to consider. When Itachi and Kisame ran from Jaraiya, he Itachi told Kisame that the only way they'd win is if they'd BOTH end up dying to fight him. Now, two on one gives you quite the advantage, even considering Kisame's chakra levels contesting that of Naruto's.

If Itachi were to fight him alone, the evidence is clear. He would lose to Jiraiya. Jiraiya has more experience and is---stat wise--the strongest of the three Senin. And if you wish, you can take Jiraiya's loss to Pain to mind too.

And there's one thing that's been bugging me. A lot of people seem to believe that Itachi had some sort of disease or illness. I'd like to bring to mind that of all people; Madara brought this up. Madara is a liar. And as a liar, nothing he says can be taken to heart of even believed at the slightest.

Notice that Madara and Itachi's stories were completely different, and what Madara was doing. Saying anything to get Sasuke--someone who Itachi explained to a point--is still pure and easily manipulated or influenced. You're believing the claims of Madara who's been telling lies about everything else so far.

Why should you believe that Itachi was ill, due to simply Madara's claims? Odds are that his final Jutsu is what did him in as, powerful techniques have certain effects on the user. There is no reason to believe there was an actual disease that rendered Itachi weaker. Or for that matter, that he was strongest due to his claims that fighting Jiraiya would be fatal for himself AND his partner.

*turns off Phoenix Wright: Investigation "Cornered"*

And OW at those owned ninjas. Man... Danzo is really not one to play around. >_>

[adel123456789]

Hopefully Kishi won't do any other color design disaster (after Nagato's red-hairs :barf)

why, nagato looked ok for me.
[hr]
who is omoi woried about. killer bee or naruto, because of the spoilers

[Mythsoul]

lmao......just read it on Onemanga......and the Mizukage...seems to be half deaf...or extremely clueless....o well.....the chapter is fast pace..I wonder if there's a Samurai counter par for naruto .....and sasuke ....if kishi will go that far.....

[sarutobi_sensei]

I think Mizukage old for naruto... :p

Don't let her hear you say that xD

Who knows how old she is. She might just be 20 or so. That's just like 4 years older xD

HAve ou noticed that practically every village was/is on the fifth kage? Fifth Mizukage, Fifth Kazekage, and well it was on the fifth Hokage. This is the dawning of the age of the 5th, age of the 5th! ok I stop...
XD

Anyway, Danzou's a mofo. He's the ninja xD

I wonder if the cloud nins know that they're being followed. Good to know that Karui was actually worried about Naruto xD

Naruto is going to travel with Konohamaru later on x)

Yay no Sakura this time ^^

Not yet that is x( Once they know that Naruto's out of the village, Konoha 11 are going after him x)

So they actually anihilate whole countries? Damn Root's more dangerous than normal Anbu :s

So we get to see them in color next week ^^ Great :D

[adel123456789]

kakashi: dream of naruto for a while.
lol

[pops]

i know its nothing and it just that the pace of the manga is quickening, but naruto with his right eye still covered is really starting to concern me. i just hope there isn't any more one eyed sharigan users out there. also it seems madara may have been the 4th mizukage since that is when the village was referred to as blood mist. seeing as konoha was the first hidden village and madara fought the 1st hokage for control of konoha...i wonder what he was doing in the large time gap between his fight with the 1st and he becoming what appears to be the 4th mizukage. one last thing does anyone think that the one eyed ninja with the mizukage could be a follower of the 4th mizikage since he seems so fond of the old times?

[ichibannohenge]

oh cool they have storm troopers in narutoverse

[adel123456789]

I wonder if the cloud nins know that they're being followed. Good to know that Karui was actually worried about Naruto xD


they are woried about kirabee because they didnt mention naruto at all

[jodi]

why, nagato looked ok for me.
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who is omoi woried about. killer bee or naruto, because of the spoilers


his red hair was fugly
it didn't go well with his face style and hair cut

[pops]

his red hair was fugly
it didn't go well with his face style and hair cut

are we really judging wheather nagato's hair color made him look UGLY? though this was mangahelpers not TMZ

[nianiote]

i know its nothing and it just that the pace of the manga is quickening, but naruto with his right eye still covered is really starting to concern me. i just hope there isn't any more one eyed sharigan users out there.
No need to worry about Naruto's eye. he kinda have a byakugan here though:p (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page003.html)


also it seems madara may have been the 4th mizukage since that is when the village was referred to as blood mist. seeing as konoha was the first hidden village and madara fought the 1st hokage for control of konoha...i wonder what he was doing in the large time gap between his fight with the 1st and he becoming what appears to be the 4th mizukage.
Yep, Madara could probably be the 4th Mizukage. Hopefully we'll have some details during the Kage Summit (if naruto meets the Kages)


one last thing does anyone think that the one eyed ninja with the mizukage could be a follower of the 4th mizikage since he seems so fond of the old times?
I think Ao is merely pissed off by Chojurou's behaviour

[Xiraiya]

Ao just seems like he grew up in harsh times so while he wouldn't be a Madara follower, he doesn't want to see the new generation be spoiled rotten and end up being weak.

[Googlez_kun]

i think we will get to see some awesome snow jutsus soon^^

[Brill]

I think Mizukage old for naruto... :p

Haven't you heard? Being a cougar* is all the rage for women these days.

I love the fact that a few weeks ago people complained Danzou was just an impotent, old geezer, but now he's bad ass.

Samurai!? Ugh. While some people like it I thought Kishi could have invented another style of fighting force other than Samurai. They look more like European medeival knights than Samurai. Considering the exotic abilities of ninja in Kishi's world it hardly seems plausiible that Samurai would be on equal footing as ninja. Interesting role-reversal though, Samurai, the Guardians of Switzerland.

More importantly, I wonder if Sakuta is going to beat the crap out of Naruto for leaving her behind. It's good seeing Naruto in solo mode for a change.

* cougar-American slang for older women who pursue young men.

[Weapon_X]

Man Kishi is going back to the ol' ninjda days. I don't believe what I was seeing here:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page001.html

Someone performing hand seals! No way! And this time with 4 mini panels showing it a proper instruction! And the attack looks like a Fuuton attack! ARGH! Blood and gore is back, Danzou is so awesome stabbing the guy in the head and this page: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page003.html
WOW!

Danzou was the best thing in this chapter and everyone being tactical is great rather then smashing through the Kage Summit. We are going to see messenger animals by Juugo. YES!

So Naruto does have bandgaes. This can only leave us with 1 option. He will fight, but he will loose that fight because he is too epic to be defeated at 100%. Thanks Karui. LOL

I guess Madara was the 4th Mizukage and he created the chuunin exams as being harsh. Makes Madara's character even more better and brutal. Kishi sure is rocking this manga.

Things are going be awesome in the next chapter. :)

[Mugiwara_no_Jack]

WellI think that chapter was nothing special ... Sure Danzou seems to be quite powerful but that was all.
But I'm looking forward to next chapter with the color pages of the five Kages.

[jdw]

Just read the chapter. Danzou is no joke. That dude is going to be hard to kill. I like that Kishi didn't make the fight occur off-panel. The mizukage, wile cute, is getting annoying. Her antics will probably go over better in the anime. Naruto & Konohamaru had a great student teacher moment. One of the best parts was when Kono said his rival was leaving him behind, lol

[-Ren Boy-]

Indeed, and i just need to say Googlez. Sleepyfan must be right on his translation of the mizukage on chapter 454.

She doesnt like being single and feels even worse when she thinks he says engagement
it all links

[adel123456789]

darth vader vs sasuke. sory, untel next chapter, it will always be funny for me.

[Xiraiya]

* cougar-American slang for older women who pursue young men.

Actually quite a few countries besides America use "cougar" anyone who doesn't know the term is probably too young anyway.

[Weapon_X]

Danzou defeated 17 Assassin's without breaking a sweat. It just looked so flawless, he wasn't even trying. If that attack that Danzou used is truly a Fuuton attack, I gotta say, WOAH! That attacked owned the Assassins's more worse then fodder nins. When he stabbed the guy in the HEAD, finally a sword did some damage.

Kishi will make this story more complicated now, Naruto will need to learn Fuuton Jutsus and coudl Danzou be his teacher? The Ninja world is surely about to shake. :)

And the best panels through this chapter was seeing the hand seals and the gore. Nuff' said.

[Xiraiya]

Man Kishi is going back to the ol' ninjda days. I don't believe what I was seeing here:
http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page001.html

Someone performing hand seals! No way! And this time with 4 mini panels showing it a proper instruction! And the attack looks like a Fuuton attack! ARGH! Blood and gore is back, Danzou is so awesome stabbing the guy in the head and this page: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page003.html
WOW!

Danzou was the best thing in this chapter and everyone being tactical is great rather then smashing through the Kage Summit. We are going to see messenger animals by Juugo. YES!

So Naruto does have bandgaes. This can only leave us with 1 option. He will fight, but he will loose that fight because he is too epic to be defeated at 100%. Thanks Karui. LOL

I guess Madara was the 4th Mizukage and he created the chuunin exams as being harsh. Makes Madara's character even more better and brutal. Kishi sure is rocking this manga.

Things are going be awesome in the next chapter. :)

Agreed, the change happening in the Manga feels like when the Original writer for "Heroes" came back and the episodes became really good again.

The manga is really improving.

[Phoenix946]

Man, a shitload of different things happening this chapter! Loved some of the parts, thought other parts were unneeded.

So Pain destroyed all of Konoha with a huge-ass Shinra Tensei, but left the library intact. Now THAT is precision :tem More serious, that's rather odd. Must be on some very obscure place outside of the village or something.

I want Gaara and Naruto to meet again!! And Sasuke and Kakashi! And Naruto and Sasuke! Man, I can't wait till this whole thing starts.

And DAMN KISHI for not showing us the Oiroke no jutsu :yelling That is MEAN!!

[adel123456789]

does someone have another translation to this chapter, i cant trust sleepyfans.

[nianiote]

hmm... the danzo fight scene is confusing me.

His stick is shown next to him in the opening scene (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/01/), then it disappears and resurface only at the end of the fight (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/).

And the sword he used to stab that nija in the head/throat, where does it come from? At first, I thought it was his, but it looks like the sword was falling (from one ninja) when he caught it (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/02/).

anyone to enlighten me ?

[laughing@you]

Man, a shitload of different things happening this chapter! Loved some of the parts, thought other parts were unneeded.

So Pain destroyed all of Konoha with a huge-ass Shinra Tensei, but left the library intact. Now THAT is precision :tem More serious, that's rather odd. Must be on some very obscure place outside of the village or something.

I want Gaara and Naruto to meet again!! And Sasuke and Kakashi! And Naruto and Sasuke! Man, I can't wait till this whole thing starts.

And DAMN KISHI for not showing us the Oiroke no jutsu :yelling That is MEAN!!


I said the same thing, until i saw that the library was located beneath the faces of the hokages. So i can understand why the library survived. Gotta have them books!!! lol

Man danzou is one sick bastard. He didn't just pierced almost every organ of that shinobi's body he had to go for the brain too. Sick.

I wonder if naruto is gonna get the sharingan now that his eye has a bandage like danzou.....:facepalm

[jdw]

anyone to enlighten me ?

it looks like he could have caught it. In the 2nd frame the sword appears to just be in the air and in the 3rd frame it is in Danzou's hand :)

[Xiraiya]

does someone have another translation to this chapter, i cant trust sleepyfans.

Who cares, it's in English, it's readable and makes sense.
No reason not to trust it.

[adel123456789]

Who cares, it's in English, it's readable and makes sense.
No reason not to trust it.

no, they have alot of mistakes.

[JWSenpai]

I dont undestand what Danzou actually did! was it some kind of wind element tech?

Also Naruto has a similar badage to Danzou, I wonder if any ninja looking for 'A guy with a bandaged eye and 2 Leaf bodygaurds will mistake Naruto for Danzo!

Im sure a Ninja wont get confused with the age difference tho!

[Weapon_X]

does someone have another translation to this chapter, i cant trust sleepyfans.

Doesn't matter. As Xiraiya said it's in english and readable. Better then Japanese text don'tyou think? :blink Or just text spoilers.

It's still better to read it at the moment, it's the best we have got. Until Binktopia's release comes out, then you can read that one. But currently, it's the best one. :)

[Phoenix946]

I said the same thing, until i saw that the library was located beneath the faces of the hokages. So i can understand why the library survived. Gotta have them books!!! lol

Man danzou is one sick bastard. He didn't just pierced almost every organ of that shinobi's body he had to go for the brain too. Sick.

I wonder if naruto is gonna get the sharingan now that his eye has a bandage like danzou.....:facepalm

I was thinking of a pun concerning Pain and books, but nothing good came :p But you're saying that massive wave of shattered buildings missed the library, even though it was on the same height as the rest? I was thinking perhaps it was one of the buildings on top of the Hokage mountain or something (see http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/06-07/ ) but idd, it's below it. Owell, just a small thing anyway.

I think you missed what happened those panels. Danzou hit that guy with the jutsu, pierced him in the head because he was still alive, then picked him up and used him as a shield from incoming swords from the ninja still in the bushes.

[laughing@you]

I was thinking of a pun concerning Pain and books, but nothing good came :p But you're saying that massive wave of shattered buildings missed the library, even though it was on the same height as the rest? I was thinking perhaps it was one of the buildings on top of the Hokage mountain or something (see http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/06-07/ ) but idd, it's below it. Owell, just a small thing anyway.

I think you missed what happened those panels. Danzou hit that guy with the jutsu, pierced him in the head because he was still alive, then picked him up and used him as a shield from incoming swords from the ninja still in the bushes.

Its right below the faces, on the freaking mountain.....the engineer that thought of that design is a genious!!! lol
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/10/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/03/
I didn't miss it, is just that in addition of getting ripped by the jutsu he went overboard and stabbed the head too. ...i mean WTF?

Is he going to the lenght of stabbing the head so nobody could retrieve any info on his abilities?

[redred]

Danzou defeated 17 Assassin's without breaking a sweat. It just looked so flawless, he wasn't even trying. If that attack that Danzou used is truly a Fuuton attack, I gotta say, WOAH! That attacked owned the Assassins's more worse then fodder nins. When he stabbed the guy in the HEAD, finally a sword did some damage.

Kishi will make this story more complicated now, Naruto will need to learn Fuuton Jutsus and coudl Danzou be his teacher? The Ninja world is surely about to shake. :)

And the best panels through this chapter was seeing the hand seals and the gore. Nuff' said.

lol doesnt anybody else think that danzo was a total dick about beating those poor ninja?
this guy (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page006.html) has about a trillion swords in him
one woulda killed him just fine :P

[jdw]

lol doesnt anybody else think that danzo was a total dick about beating those poor ninja?
this guy (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page006.html) has about a trillion swords in him
one woulda killed him just fine :P

If you sneak attack you get what you deserve. He didn't put those swords there, that guys own allies threw them, danzou just used him as a shield :)

[jodi]

I don't understand why Samui team can go there
shouldn't they accept only 2 people for each kage?

the only explanation is that they would be waiting outside for the Raikage
[hr]

Its right below the faces, on the freaking mountain.....the engineer that thought of that design is a genious!!! lol
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/10/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/03/
I didn't miss it, is just that in addition of getting ripped by the jutsu he went overboard and stabbed the head too. ...i mean WTF?

Is he going to the lenght of stabbing the head so nobody could retrieve any info on his abilities?


the guy was agonizing on the floor, he just ended it there.
then he used the corpse as a shield
Danzou is already a great villain.

[redred]

If you sneak attack you get what you deserve. He didn't put those swords there, that guys own allies threw them, danzou just used him as a shield :)

oho i hadnt looked at it that way
see that actually makes sense, here i was sitting thinking danzo had a bag of swords to stab guys with

[Weapon_X]

lol doesnt anybody else think that danzo was a total dick about beating those poor ninja?
this guy (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page006.html) has about a trillion swords in him
one woulda killed him just fine :P

He didn't attack the ninja but he used him as a shield from the incoming swords from other Assassins which were hiding. Hence why in the next panel, he is counting how many ninjas there are. :)

[Phoenix946]

Its right below the faces, on the freaking mountain.....the engineer that thought of that design is a genious!!! lol
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/10/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/03/
I didn't miss it, is just that in addition of getting ripped by the jutsu he went overboard and stabbed the head too. ...i mean WTF?

Is he going to the lenght of stabbing the head so nobody could retrieve any info on his abilities?

Oh right, I see it now! Wow that's genius idd. Way to guard the knowledge of your village.

Nah man that guy just survived the jutsu, he had to kill him somehow. And what faster way than a stab in the head.

Anyway, Danzou took out 17 jounin (supposedly) without breaking a sweat. Way to hype him up a little lol. And it seems we have a good old hand-seal user back :whoo I'm beginning to like Danzou.

[bighawke5]

I don't understand why Samui team can go there
shouldn't they accept only 2 people for each kage?

the only explanation is that they would be waiting outside for the Raikage
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the guy was agonizing on the floor, he just ended it there.
then he used the corpse as a shield
Danzou is already a great villain.

or passing along the info to the guards at the door as an urgent message only for the raikage and the guards at the door relay it to the raikage himself...

meaning when sasuke and co actually own samurais and get in raikage will go on the attack and wreck everything...that'll get the fight to outside where remaining shinobis(samui's team, naruto's team) jump in...

[Moogle Mango]

lol doesnt anybody else think that danzo was a total dick about beating those poor ninja?
this guy (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-456/page006.html) has about a trillion swords in him
one woulda killed him just fine :P

What can you say? Danzou is very thorough and knows how to get the job done, unlike his ROOT followers.

[Googlez_kun]

i'm kind of surprised that kishi remembered the "two guards rule" from back then:http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/99/05/


and we get to see samurai!!!!:wtf
kishi wanted to do a samurai manga before naruto,so he has to have some ideas for them:)

[Trafalgar SoD]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/ Top Right

sort of overkill isnt it. i think at least four would have sufficed

[Googlez_kun]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/ Top Right

sort of overkill isnt it. i think at least four would have sufficed
he had to use him as a shield...also because blood on his clothing wouldn't make a good impression to the other kages...

[Weapon_X]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/ Top Right

sort of overkill isnt it. i think at least four would have sufficed

Ok, guys look. Danzou DID NOT stab that guy with the swords.

There were other Assassin's left and they threw the swords at Danzou,but with the Sharingan he anticipated it and used that guy on the floor as a SHIELD so the swords cut him rather then Danzou. Geddit?

[Jeffmusta]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/ Top Right

sort of overkill isnt it. i think at least four would have sufficed

I thought only the sword in the head was Danzo's. Weren't the other swords from the attackers? It looked like Danzo used the guy as a shield in one of the previous pages....

[Xiraiya]

So, basically...

Danzou does his hand seals, shoots a wind element jutsu from his mouth that cuts up the first wave of Ninja's flying towards him.

One of them has a Katana, Danzou grabs/catches it, stabs the Ninja who survived in the head.

Danzou grabs the ninja (with katana still in his head) and uses him as a Shield to deflect a wave of sword-like weapons that were coming straight for Danzou.

But then it flicks away to Naruto, and when it flicks back We see there are quite a few more bodies sprawled around Danzou suggesting much more action took place off panel.

Danzou hadn't even moved from the spot where he stabbed his walking stick into the ground.

That about sums the Danzou fight up, correct?

[THM Nindo]

Now, Danzou is a real Ninja!!
No emotion, pure killing.

The guy survive? A sword in the head should do the trick!

That's one guy that won't be heart-softened by Naruto, no matter his childhood!

Just in time!! I was starting to lose hope! :tem

[Weapon_X]

So, basically...

Danzou does his hand seals, shoots a wind element jutsu from his mouth that cuts up the first wave of Ninja's flying towards him.

One of them has a Katana, Danzou grabs/catches it, stabs the Ninja who survived in the head.

Danzou grabs the ninja (with katana still in his head) and uses him as a Shield to deflect a wave of sword-like weapons that were coming straight for Danzou.

But then it flicks away to Naruto, and when it flicks back We see there are quite a few more bodies sprawled around Danzou suggesting much more action took place off panel.

Danzou hadn't even moved from the spot where he stabbed his walking stick into the ground.


That about sums the Danzou fight up, correct?

Yes, that's correct. He used the guy as a shield.

Danzou fought them like a true Ninja. This was a excellent mini Ninja battle with no hax abilities or godly abilities. And the Sharingan was used as the way it was supposed to be used. :)


Now, Danzou is a real Ninja!!
No emotion, pure killing.

The guy survive? A sword in the head should do the trick!



The guy who got stabbed in the head didn't survive after that. he just used the dead body as a shield from the swords which were gonna attack him.

Danzou is a brutal Ninja. Kishi is making Danzou wicked. :)

[Trafalgar SoD]

it seems like the mizukage doesnt have much luck in finding a man to marry i guess they all just want her bod.

is naruto going to be able to function at 100 percent with the bandages on and everything?

[pops]

I don't understand why Samui team can go there
shouldn't they accept only 2 people for each kage?

the only explanation is that they would be waiting outside for the Raikage
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the guy was agonizing on the floor, he just ended it there.
then he used the corpse as a shield
Danzou is already a great villain.

if you look back at the chapter when the raikage is leaving his aid tells informs him that samui team knows the route that he is taking so that they could give him the info in person. so i would assume that they will meet up prior to the hokage summit and that is where team kakashi will speak with him. i don't believe naruto will make an appearance at the actual summit, but you never know. this could also be a good time for them to discredit danzo, but i doubt they will...since it seems like in a house things.

[THM Nindo]

So, basically...

Danzou does his hand seals, shoots a wind element jutsu from his mouth that cuts up the first wave of Ninja's flying towards him.

One of them has a Katana, Danzou grabs/catches it, stabs the Ninja who survived in the head.

Danzou grabs the ninja (with katana still in his head) and uses him as a Shield to deflect a wave of sword-like weapons that were coming straight for Danzou.

But then it flicks away to Naruto, and when it flicks back We see there are quite a few more bodies sprawled around Danzou suggesting much more action took place off panel.

Danzou hadn't even moved from the spot where he stabbed his walking stick into the ground.

That about sums the Danzou fight up, correct?

That's exactly it.
First wave of 7 guys, second waves of 17 guys.

He killed at least 24 guys without moving from his spot.
That's how good he is! :tem

[Xiraiya]

Danzou could be the reality Check Naruto needs, and the trigger of a 4th World war, Nagato did tell Naruto that, war was hell and that he would experience that eventually.

Danzou definitely earned my respect this chapter, and to think what he must have been like in his prime, technically he would have been more dangerous than Sarutobi purely because of his Brutality.

The fights they would have had must have been amazing.

[pops]

it seems like the mizukage doesnt have much luck in finding a man to marry i guess they all just want her bod.

is naruto going to be able to function at 100 percent with the bandages on and everything?

he should be find by time they meet up with raikage if not i guess it will a time for someone like yamato to finally trully shine.

[THM Nindo]

Can't wait to see Naruto try to convince the Kage.
It's going to be hilarous and probably really lame.

Raikage won't listen.
Danzou will not even flinch.

Gaara might listen, his opinion would probably be mixed.
On one side, he believe in Naruto; one the other side, Akatsuki tried to kill him and if Sasuke is part of them, he's an enemy.

Mizukage is most likely to listen to him since she seems to like young boy!! :o
And if she knew that Madara was the Yondaime Mizukage, she will probably want to help bringing him down.

Tsuchikage... we know nothing about him, but I'm guessing he was the one in charge during the 3rd war, so he would probably not listen to someone from Konoha.

Either way, it can't work.
If it works, somehow... I'll be very disappointed.

And the funniest thing ever would be Naruto somehow convincing the Kages, and the very next panel after, Sasuke and his team barging in and attacking.

How fucking hilarious would that be!!! :tem

[Googlez_kun]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7507/69908138.jpghttp://www.dergloeckel.eu/Titelseite/Fotos/klonkrieger.jpg
*cough*Star wars*cough*

[THM Nindo]

The guy who got stabbed in the head didn't survive after that. he just used the dead body as a shield from the swords which were gonna attack him.

Danzou is a brutal Ninja. Kishi is making Danzou wicked. :)

Lol, I know.
I was saying that Danzou was bad-ass, because he would stab someone in the head with a sword if he survived his technique.

I was kinda suggesting what was Danzou thinking : "He survive the jutsu? A sword in the head should make the trick!" :tem

[laughing@you]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

Talking about having a lot on your stomach. Very house of the flying daggers of danzou. To be able to control those swords like that.

[WereMongoose]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7507/69908138.jpghttp://www.dergloeckel.eu/Titelseite/Fotos/klonkrieger.jpg
*cough*Star wars*cough*

Looks more like Jin-Roh the Wolf Brigade.
http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/comics/pages/jin-roh-the-wolf-brigade.shtml

[Xiraiya]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7507/69908138.jpghttp://www.dergloeckel.eu/Titelseite/Fotos/klonkrieger.jpg
*cough*Star wars*cough*

Personally, I think it's just a coincidence that the Samurai look like that.

[chess4]

i cant wait until the next chapter. the samurai are great addition to the story. maybe the iron country will break there rule and join the war this time. next chapter is color so i guess we will get to see what the kages and there escorts really look like.

danzou is a bad boy............it also seems like he is the shogun of the underworld.

SIDENOTE

maybe the mizukage will have the hots for my boy kakashi

[WereMongoose]

Personally, I think it's just a coincidence that the Samurai look like that.

I don't think its a coincidence. But they look way way way more like the troopers from Jin-Roh than storm troopers. Oh well, makes samurai more bad-ass because if they looked historical it would kind of confirm they really suck, not that they probably already do.

[lvarella]

I don't get it, Samurais > Ninjas?

[laughing@you]

Personally, I think it's just a coincidence that the Samurai look like that.

Me personally kishi got lazy with that design!!

Which could mean he won't be displaying their abilities in depth

[Xiraiya]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

Talking about having a lot on your stomach. Very house of the flying daggers of danzou. To be able to control those swords like that.

What swords? you mean those ones in that Corpse?
The same ones that the enemy chucked at Danzou but he blocked them by using the corpse as a Shield?

[laughing@you]

I don't get it, Samurais > Ninjas?

:facepalm yes thats why there's only one country of samurai and five of shinobi......:p

[One Eyed Sharingan]

i know its nothing and it just that the pace of the manga is quickening, but naruto with his right eye still covered is really starting to concern me. i just hope there isn't any more one eyed sharigan users out there. also it seems madara may have been the 4th mizukage since that is when the village was referred to as blood mist. seeing as konoha was the first hidden village and madara fought the 1st hokage for control of konoha...i wonder what he was doing in the large time gap between his fight with the 1st and he becoming what appears to be the 4th mizukage. one last thing does anyone think that the one eyed ninja with the mizukage could be a follower of the 4th mizikage since he seems so fond of the old times?amen!, it used to be only me and Kakashi, now i hope three of us (me, Kakashi and Danzou) is enough...

Whoa Iron country, Samurai... Samurais are supposed to be arch enemy of ninjas.. gotta see what can they do (can they utilize chakra?)

[WereMongoose]

It's official... Omoi is the man. Worrying about repeated stress injuries lol.

[Googlez_kun]

:facepalm yes thats why there's only one country of samurai and five of shinobi......:p

well you could see the samurai as the elite and the ninja as some "good" fighters
man i'm so excited about those samurai....they have to be badass!just take a look at them:XD

[Motto San]

I'm not so impressed by Danzou. I would've been surprised if he wasn't as powerfull.
It was kinda predictable.
Cool to see that there's plot development!
I can foresee at least 150 more chapters if Kishi decides to follow every lead that he set up till now:
Ninja war - Kabutomaru conclusion -Sasuke bonds - being Hokage - NaruSaku-NaruHina - etc.
Awesome!

[laughing@you]

What swords? you mean those ones in that Corpse?
The same ones that the enemy chucked at Danzou but he blocked them by using the corpse as a Shield?

IMO his controlling those swords....

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

If you see only one body has all the swords, the rest of the corpses are cleanly dead.....(.:facepalm that reads very redundant lol) :p

To me his manipulating the swords trajectory. Again very House of the flying daggers. Kinda cool actually

[Weapon_X]

Lol, I know.
I was saying that Danzou was bad-ass, because he would stab someone in the head with a sword if he survived his technique.

I was kinda suggesting what was Danzou thinking : "He survive the jutsu? A sword in the head should make the trick!" :tem

LOL I thought you made a mistake about that guy surving the sword impaling him on the brain. My mistake.

Anyway i wonder what's the whole story behind the "3 wolves" thing. 3 wolves? Is there a story in Japanese's Mythology about something related to the 3 wolves?

Because we had Itachi's MS, 6 Pain bodies etc based on Mythology. Hmm...anyway the story just got a hell of a lot interesting. It's a big step.

If this Arc turns out the way we are expecting it to, then it will be my fav Arc throughout part 2 and will beat off my favourite arc atm, the Pain/Invasion Arc. :p

[lvarella]

:facepalm yes thats why there's only one country of samurai and five of shinobi......:p

We don't know that and the Old Kage said they are very powerful. Maybe Samurais are not so common, they need to train a lot and be special to become one.

[laughing@you]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

Also if you noticed, anbu root is using the same weapon as Sai. Could this weapon be anbu roots weapon of choice?

[jdw]

I'm not so impressed by Danzou. I would've been surprised if he wasn't as powerfull.
It was kinda predictable.
Cool to see that there's plot development!
I can foresee at least 150 more chapters if Kishi decides to follow every lead that he set up till now:
Ninja war - Kabutomaru conclusion -Sasuke bonds - being Hokage - NaruSaku-NaruHina - etc.
Awesome!

It's not just the "what" that makes it impressive, it is also the "how." We knew he would be strong, but 17 nins without moving from his spot, lol.
[hr]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

Also if you noticed, anbu root is using the same weapon as Sai. Could this weapon be anbu roots weapon of choice?

Quite possibly what they have found to be useful in all situations or something :)

[Googlez_kun]

i'm kinda surprised that the snow is so refreshing:XD

no really!i love that he brought some snow to the manga.....kishi is awesome:)

[Xiraiya]

IMO his controlling those swords....

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

If you see only one body has all the swords, the rest of the corpses are cleanly dead.....(.:facepalm that reads very redundant lol) :p

To me his manipulating the swords trajectory. Again very House of the flying daggers. Kinda cool actually

I Don't see how, to me it clearly shows he grabbed the corpse and used it as a shield just in time as those swords were heading towards him...

I could be wrong but it just seems so obvious.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Samurai can't use ninjutsu though otherwise they would be ninja not samurai.

[WereMongoose]

Samurai can't use ninjutsu though otherwise they would be ninja not samurai.

Doesn't mean they can't use chakra. They may be more taijutsu like and use chakra to enhance movement, senses, and strength. Might be able to use their swords as conduits as well. If its a neutral country in the middle of 5 huge ninja villages and ninjas themselves say they have a strong military, you can't take them lightly.

[jdw]

IMO his controlling those swords....

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

If you see only one body has all the swords, the rest of the corpses are cleanly dead.....(.:facepalm that reads very redundant lol) :p

To me his manipulating the swords trajectory. Again very House of the flying daggers. Kinda cool actually

If that is the case, why pick up the body at all to use it as a shield? Why not just drive all the swords into the ground or back at the people who threw them? The body wouldn't make any point but he definitely blocked a barrage of weapons with that body on this page: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/03/

[Kouzen]

Well, George Lucas is a fan of Japanese stuff and Darth Vader's armor was partly base on samurai's armor, so it's not too surprising that those samurai look like they are from Starwar. But i do think Jin-roh is a more direct influence. I mean "Wolf Brigade", hell the kanji for Jin-Roh say man-wolf and we "Three Wolf' moutain in the samurai's land.

It's also interesting to note that in Japanese folklore, wolves were often seen as messengers or servants of gods. The Japanese for wolf is ookami which can be translate to "great god". I saw someone have put up a theory that the samurai are true follower of Rikudou Sennin, the so called God of the ninja world. So i think it's interesting to note.

[lan2cp]

This chapter was very good.... The pace was very fast and the set up for next chapter was good algo. I can't wait to see the samurai in action

[adel123456789]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7507/69908138.jpghttp://www.dergloeckel.eu/Titelseite/Fotos/klonkrieger.jpg
*cough*Star wars*cough*

lol, just look at my sig

[Xiraiya]

Samurai can't use ninjutsu though otherwise they would be ninja not samurai.

They probably don't, however chakra is still the main term for Energy in the Narutoverse so they probably use it to an extent but also differently to Ninja.

[Kyuubinoyoko]

I cant wait to see some samurai own some ninjas in battle.

As far as Naruto and Konohamaru go...I like the whole teach the next generation thing. But there is no way Konohamaru will be able to do Oodama Rasengans(the regular ones) let alone anything that is on the level of Sage Oodamas or Rasenshuriken. Naruto does those and gets exhausted afterwards but he has wayyyyyy more chakra than Konohamaru will ever have.

If kishi ever allows such a thing, that i will call an incosistency in the rules of the manga.

[Weapon_X]

IMO his controlling those swords....

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/06/

If you see only one body has all the swords, the rest of the corpses are cleanly dead.....(.:facepalm that reads very redundant lol) :p

To me his manipulating the swords trajectory. Again very House of the flying daggers. Kinda cool actually

Then why not kill that Ninja while he was on the ground then? Why not impale those "swords" as you say at him whilst he is on the ground? There would be no need for him to pick him up.

There was 1 guy who survived the would be Fuuton attack and Danzou stabbed him in the head. Meaning he is dead.

Now, if the guy as you say Danzou stabbed with lots of swords, why didn't Danzou stab him in the head?

That guy was already dead. It was a corpse. He used it as a shield when he knew there were swords coming towards him, he noticed that by using the Sharingan.

Hence why after that, he is counting how many Ninjas there are. When those hidden Ninjas threw the swords at him, it gave away their location from the minute they threw them.

Then Danzou uses the dead corpse as a shield and he counts how many hidden Ninjas there are using the Sharingan.

:)

[Iwashi]

This chapter made up for last weeks I think. Danzou didn't seem that impressive. Kind of predictable. Which I like after the bombshell that was him possessing sharingan last week.
I love the fact that Kishi has added more to the Narutoverse in terms of the Iron country and the way it has it's own seperate military of Samurai's. Perhaps it's ruled by a Shogun? Those Samurai at the end looked BADASS.I can imagine that they have Chakra but for different reasons. They are most likely really efficient in Kenjutsu looking at how many swords they each had.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

True people seem to forget Star Wars took a lot of stuff from Japanese culture, Kishi hasn't taken from Star Wars, samurai are suppose to look like that.

[Xiraiya]

Well, George Lucas is a fan of Japanese stuff and Darth Vader's armor was partly base on samurai's armor, so it's not too surprising that those samurai look like they are from Starwar. But i do think Jin-roh is a more direct influence. I mean "Wolf Brigade", hell the kanji for Jin-Roh say man-wolf and we "Three Wolf' moutain in the samurai's land.

It's also interesting to note that in Japanese folklore, wolves were often seen as messengers or servants of gods. The Japanese for wolf is ookami which can be translate to "great god". I saw someone have put up a theory that the samurai are true follower of Rikudou Sennin, the so called God of the ninja world. So i think it's interesting to note.

Wow that's definitely some interesting information there, especially the connection to wolves.

[warbandit66]

The samurais will probably be able to use some crazy kenjutsu techniques and Ki based attacks.

[jdw]

I cant wait to see some samurai own some ninjas in battle.

As far as Naruto and Konohamaru go...I like the whole teach the next generation thing. But there is no way Konohamaru will be able to do Oodama Rasengans(the regular ones) let alone anything that is on the level of Sage Oodamas or Rasenshuriken. Naruto does those and gets exhausted afterwards but he has wayyyyyy more chakra than Konohamaru will ever have.

If kishi ever allows such a thing, that i will call an incosistency in the rules of the manga.

Well, Kono can't do sage techniques because he isn't a sage, so you can't hold that against him.

As for Oodama rasengan, he may be able to do it, but it might just look like Naruto's normal rasengan. As for rasenshuriken, if you mean the way Naruto does it maybe not because as far as I know Konohamaru's element has yet to be revealed. I do think he will be able to master it, it will just take him actual months or years, if he is a wind user :)

[ninjaman]

Doesn't mean they can't use chakra. They may be more taijutsu like and use chakra to enhance movement, senses, and strength. Might be able to use their swords as conduits as well. If its a neutral country in the middle of 5 huge ninja villages and ninjas themselves say they have a strong military, you can't take them lightly.

samurai+taijutsu skills and speed= kenshin style pwnage.

[Parth]

dont raelly care of the whole samurai thing.. not now wen we dont no SHIT abt them atleast.. i care more at how SSLLOOWW danzo's hand seal formation was!!.. he took 4 panels for 1 set of hand seals,, and itachi took one panel for 4! :p

anyway, i bet we get to see danzo getting fastr and faster with all his moves..

wanted to see OIROKE NO JUTSUUUUUU!!!! DAMNITTTT!

[Xiraiya]

True people seem to forget Star Wars took a lot of stuff from Japanese culture, Kishi hasn't taken from Star Wars, samurai are suppose to look like that.

Seriously, look at Jedi outfits, they just look Japanese haha, and also the term "Padowan" or however you spell it seems japanese, I don't know if it has a meaning or not.

[Nadim]

I don't like how Naruto looks like a Danzo minion with his bandage :)

[Kyuubinoyoko]

Well, Kono can't do sage techniques because he isn't a sage, so you can't hold that against him.

As for Oodama rasengan, he may be able to do it, but it might just look like Naruto's normal rasengan. As for rasenshuriken, if you mean the way Naruto does it maybe not because as far as I know Konohamaru's element has yet to be revealed. I do think he will be able to master it, it will just take him actual months or years, if he is a wind user :)

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Kakashi say that only Naruto could do this jutsu because of his chakra reserves? I dont think he was referring simply to the shadow clone training method.

According to what Kakashi said wasnt that shadow clone training equivalent to about 25 years of training or something?

Konohamaru might be a faster learner than Naruto, But we have to think about the person who made the rasengan, Minato Namikaze. He was said to be a genius that comes around only once every decade(same thing said about orochimaru). He couldnt combine his element with the rasengan. Being a fast learner wont really help Konohamaru because when push comes to shove he doesnt have the physical abilities that Naruto has and he never will.

[Xiraiya]

dont raelly care of the whole samurai thing.. not now wen we dont no SHIT abt them atleast.. i care more at how SSLLOOWW danzo's hand seal formation was!!.. he took 4 panels for 1 set of hand seals,, and itachi took one panel for 4! :p


He wasn't being slow, that's how Kishi use to show off hand seals back in ancient times.

It really feels like Kishi is going back to Basics which makes it really good, best chapter in a long time in my opinion.

Otherwise it would have ended up like bleach, lost in it's own fights and Powerlevels.
[hr]

I don't like how Naruto looks like a Danzo minion with his bandage :)

I love it, it makes Naruto look war torn and gritty, it makes you want to take him seriously.

Especially that side on shot of him facing off with Konohamaru.
He looked like a Badass Sensei who was about to school his students in the ways of Win and awesome.

[jdw]

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Kakashi say that only Naruto could do this jutsu because of his chakra reserves? I dont think he was referring simply to the shadow clone training method.

According to what Kakashi said wasnt that shadow clone training equivalent to about 25 years of training or something?

Konohamaru might be a faster learner than Naruto, But we have to think about the person who made the rasengan, Minato Namikaze. He was said to be a genius that comes around only once every decade(same thing said about orochimaru). He couldnt combine his element with the rasengan. Being a fast learner wont really help Konohamaru because when push comes to shove he doesnt have the physical abilities that Naruto has and he never will.

Kakashi said only Naruto could train that way. He also went on to say that fusing rasengan with an element might even be impossible, but that if it worked the jutsu would be S-rank or higher.

He doesn't have Naruto's abilities, so things might be on a smaller scale. His rasengan is smaller/weaker than Naruto's, so his Oodama might be as well. Kono can probably make a few KB where Naruto can make 1000. I am not saying he will be better than Naruto, only that he may be able to learn the same techniques, only they may not be as strong/deadly, and it may take longer due to how he must train.

[Xiraiya]

Kakashi said only Naruto could train that way. He also went on to say that fusing rasengan with an element might even be impossible, but that if it worked the jutsu would be S-rank or higher.

He doesn't have Naruto's abilities, so things might be on a smaller scale. His rasengan is smaller/weaker than Naruto's, so his Oodama might be as well. Kono can probably make a few KB where Naruto can make 1000. I am not saying he will be better than Naruto, only that he may be able to learn the same techniques, only they may not be as strong/deadly, and it may take longer due to how he must train.

Personally, Naruto has basically created a whole range of ways to gain power faster, I mean.

Before him, the thought of a genin with Rasengan was laughable, yet Shadow clones stopped the laughing.

In a way, Naruto is a genius because he sparked a whole heap of ways for younger Ninja to learn quicker and better.

Not on Naruto's scale ofcourse but the concept is there for them.

[Weapon_X]

I don't like how Naruto looks like a Danzo minion with his bandage :)

Dude it makes his look awesome. Even though those injuries are cuased by Karui [WTF! It should have been Pain! Why Kishi WHY?] but the people at the summit will think it was caused by Pain. It makes him look like a man who came out of a war all by himself.

Also he is injured, meaning he isn't at his 100%. And I THINK Kishi is planning to make Naruto fight SOMEONE strong but he will LOOSE the battle.

And when he does, we aren't going to be disappointed because Naruto isn't at 100% and let's face it, Naruto is too epic to be defeated by ANYONE at 100%. :amuse

[jdw]

Personally, Naruto has basically created a whole range of ways to gain power faster, I mean.

Before him, the thought of a genin with Rasengan was laughable, yet Shadow clones stopped the laughing.

In a way, Naruto is a genius because he sparked a whole heap of ways for younger Ninja to learn quicker and better.

Not on Naruto's scale ofcourse but the concept is there for them.

Yeah, Naruto can learn things 1000 times faster, but any genin with KB can learn things 2-3 times faster than normal. The only genins with KB as far as I know are Kono and Naruto lol :)

[coworlando]

I think that Mifune is going to turn out to be a new bad guy.

[Xiraiya]

Minato Namikaze. He was said to be a genius that comes around only once every decade(same thing said about orochimaru). He couldnt combine his element with the rasengan.

You are correct, but you're also slightly off.

The only reason Minato didn't manage to combine his element to it is because he died long before he had a chance of succeeding.

Had he lived until present day, no doubt he would of had a mind blowing Rasengan with his Element infused.

And also, looking at all the clones, Naruto did like 20+ years of training to create FRS.

It took 3 years alone for Minato to create Rasengan and about the same for Konohamaru to learn and master it.

If he learns his element now, he MIGHT have an elemental Rasengan by the time he is slightly older than Naruto is now. (17-18)

[Iwashi]

I think that Mifune is going to turn out to be a new bad guy.

Mifune? You thinking of Soul Eater or something? :/

[Weapon_X]

I think that Mifune is going to turn out to be a new bad guy.

When he offered a cup of tea to Gaara? Aww, don't say that. :eyeroll

[jdw]

Dude it makes his look awesome. Even though those injuries are cuased by Karui [WTF! It should have been Pain! Why Kishi WHY?] but the people at the summit will think it was caused by Pain. It makes him look like a man who came out of a war all by himself.

Also he is injured, meaning he isn't at his 100%. And I THINK Kishi is planning to make Naruto fight SOMEONE strong but he will LOOSE the battle.

And when he does, we aren't going to be disappointed because Naruto isn't at 100% and let's face it, Naruto is too epic to be defeated by ANYONE at 100%. :amuse

It would be cooler if he walked in from beating pain looking unharmed. Remember this: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/58/05/

[Xiraiya]

Dude it makes his look awesome. Even though those injuries are cuased by Karui [WTF! It should have been Pain! Why Kishi WHY?] but the people at the summit will think it was caused by Pain. It makes him look like a man who came out of a war all by himself.

Also he is injured, meaning he isn't at his 100%. And I THINK Kishi is planning to make Naruto fight SOMEONE strong but he will LOOSE the battle.

And when he does, we aren't going to be disappointed because Naruto isn't at 100% and let's face it, Naruto is too epic to be defeated by ANYONE at 100%. :amuse

Just watch, Kishi is going to make Injured Naruto stand on Par with Sasuke, even if Naruto is defeated we'll all laugh knowing he gave someone like Sasuke a run for their money while he was that messed up.

[pops]

after re-reading the chapter i was wondering jugo is ever going to revert back to his adult size after he fused with sasuke to save his life during the capture the 8 tails arch?

[Googlez_kun]

after re-reading the chapter i was wondering jugo is ever going to revert back to his adult size after he fused with sasuke to save his life during the capture the 8 tails arch?

i don't hope so because i like him as a little kiddo :gigglebunny

[pops]

also are we all in agreement that danzo is a wind element user?

[Weapon_X]

after re-reading the chapter i was wondering jugo is ever going to revert back to his adult size after he fused with sasuke to save his life during the capture the 8 tails arch?

You know I'd swap Kimimaro for Juugo any day. Kimimaro was cool and awesome. Juugo is totally worthless. Kishi used him like a dragonball for Sasuke.

[jdw]

Just watch, Kishi is going to make Injured Naruto stand on Par with Sasuke, even if Naruto is defeated we'll all laugh knowing he gave someone like Sasuke a run for their money while he was that messed up.

That is not enough. This should be Naruto's win, even if it is a close call. I want Sasuke to be saved by Suigestsu or someone, lol

[TearsOfScarlet]

Danzo is so ruthless.

[Xiraiya]

i don't hope so because i like him as a little kiddo :gigglebunny

Holy crap, I didn't even notice Jugo was short, How dare Kishi, 202cm Jugo was awesome.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

When he offered a cup of tea to Gaara? Aww, don't say that. :eyeroll

Cup of tea? So...a cup of tea full of poison maybe. I reckon we'll see some big twists in this arc and the samurai switching who take orders from Madara.

[Xiraiya]

Cup of tea? So...a cup of tea full of poison maybe. I reckon we'll see some big twists in this arc and the samurai switching who take orders from Madara.

Considering Madara looked like a Samurai in his youth, I wouldn't really be surprised to be honest.

[videogamer64]

Just watch, Kishi is going to make Injured Naruto stand on Par with Sasuke, even if Naruto is defeated we'll all laugh knowing he gave someone like Sasuke a run for their money while he was that messed up.

After waiting all of this time for a rematch anything less than a Naruto victory is unacceptable. If he loses for any reason it'd be the biggest anticlimactic load of bull**** I've ever seen in manga.

[Konoha Hurricane]

Who else notices the bolt on Danzou's right arm?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/01/

With all the suspicious wobbling that Madara tends to do so often, things are starting to get interesting. I guess I'll see where it goes. Awesome chapter nonetheless.

Danzou and Naruto's covered right eye showcased on same exact page. Not just a coincidence I'm thinking it will have significance later.

And damn Danzou is crazy ruthless. Not sure where the hell he got all those swords, but he must've summoned them or something.

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After waiting all of this time for a rematch anything less than a Naruto victory is unacceptable. If he loses for any reason it'd be the biggest anticlimactic load of bull**** I've ever seen in manga.

Or if Naruto gives up on his attack to scratch Sasuke again or some BS like that I would vomit :barf:barf:barf