Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[shouryuujo]

This looks really bad.. basically the other 4 countries already has "dirt" on them while Konoha is basically the "model citizen" due to the rulings of 3rd-5th. Now danzou has no "dirt" so he could control them without showing his "true colors".
Naruto will probably have the following options:
1. Becomes danzou's puppet in exchange for sasuke's safety.
2. Disturbs the meeting somehow and ruins the plan for now (where are they anyway? outside?)
3. Becomes missing-nin and go for sasuke himself - (takes sakura and sai with him?)

Probably first option is the most likely and Sasuke will be even more pissed seeing Naruto with Danzou.

[ameya730]

This is ridiculous, I seriously hope that the other Kages do not agree to Danzou's nonsense. I mean what in the world is Danzou attempting to pull? Supreme control? I know the Raikage won't stand for it...I wish I could say the same thing about Gaara, but I think his allegiance to Konoha has blinded him severely.

Also, The 4th Mizukage's face will or could be shown in the upcoming chapter. I wonder what it will look like. Will this silence everyone who is so curious about what is behind the mask? Will the face have the infamous sharingan in the right eye socket? Who knows, but I know I want to see it.

Sasuke...anyone get the feeling that he is going to be caught while attempting to ambush Danzou as he is leaving.

i dont really thing danzou was attempting a this in the spoilers it said that the leader of the neutral country suggested this so i am sure even danzou is surprised at this statement

also it would be funny if danzou was made the supreme commander only later on to be assassinated by sasuke :p

[shouryuujo]

i dont really thing danzou was attempting a this in the spoilers it said that the leader of the neutral country suggested this so i am sure even danzou is surprised at this statement

also it would be funny if danzou was made the supreme commander only later on to be assassinated by sasuke :p

i bet danzou has influence on the mediator too.

[DARK]

It seems Danzou has a lot of influence on this meeting. The mediator country, Iron Country, decides to allow Danzou (the leader of the country whose Biju, the Nine-Tailed Fox, still remains) to rule all five countries as Hokage. Raikage is surprised and angered by that idea. Not surprised, as Danzou is known for hiding secrets- he was alligned with Hanzou's group, he could very well be controlling the samurai in Iron Country too.

Suna crushing Konoha with Akatsuki- seems more like a former Akatsuki member and the Sound Village, both of which opposed Akatsuki.
Tsuchikage used Akatsuki for money (meaning that they may have had some contact with Kakazu. The banker could have been from Earth Country).
Fifth Mizukage mentions about the isolation the village had due to Fourth Mizukage (could be Madara)'s influence.
Raikage mentions that only four people can control Biju- Hashirama Senju (First Hokage, due to Wood Style), Madara (due to Sharingan), Fourth Hokage (he and Madara could be one of the same), and Killer Bee (he is the only known Jinchuriki to reach synergy with his beast, although it is unknown if he had any special powers enabling him to do so. It is also unknown if he can do that with any of the other beasts).

[llamapie]

i bet danzou has influence on the mediator too.

Ya lets make some stupid ass cliches cuz no one is willing to accept that Danzou is Danzou :O.

The mediator is in fact: .... *drum roll*


The curry lady in that really bad Naruto Filler!

Just cuz kishi hasn't shown any link doesn't mean it isn't true!

[Seer]

First time here.

I was thinking what if tobi is actually madara's brother and he made a deal with madara. He would transplant his eyes and when they get an ems he would get 1 and madara can keep the other one.

If that is the case what Itachi did was for naught and Saskue will then want to kill every Kage now!!!

[Black Lagoon]

i wonder why no one mentioned pain and his konoha attack. and of course naruto as the "only" jinchuuriki.

not even be bothered to ask about Tsunade

[dumbboy]

Sounds like all this has been plan out by Madara to me. I predict somehow Madara will end up controlling them or assisinate them (or both) with the help of Sasuke.
Really want to see the Raikage face lol :). Suprise he didnt just start punching some of them right now.

[Darth Executor]

and Killer Bee (he is the only known Jinchuriki to reach synergy with his beast, although it is unknown if he had any special powers enabling him to do so. It is also unknown if he can do that with any of the other beasts).

Umm, didn't yugito control hers too?

[llamapie]

Umm, didn't yugito control hers too?

I dunno that coulda been like Naruto going 4 tails. It just seems that the 9 tails is the only one that can't be controlled to a degree like that. Even Gaara had some level of control over his.

Edit: Aparantly the mods can't enjoy a little political humor. *rage*

[gold349]

so Mifune, 'the neutral powers', no? wants them to create untited states of Narutoverse...that plays into Danzou hands, no wonder he stays quite. Wonder why he suggests this, whats in it for him to bind the 5 great countries together...its a strange idea.

[Darth Executor]

I dunno that coulda been like Naruto going 4 tails. It just seems that the 9 tails is the only one that can't be controlled to a degree like that. Even Gaara had some level of control over his.

Edit: Aparantly the mods can't enjoy a little political humor. *rage*

Gaara had no control over his. Making it come out is not the same thing as controlling it. I'm guessing Yugito could control it, just not completely, which is why she had to lure Akatsuki far away from civilization in the first place.
[hr]

so Mifune, 'the neutral powers', no? wants them to create untited states of Narutoverse...that plays into Danzou hands, no wonder he stays quite. Wonder why he suggests this, whats in it for him to bind the 5 great countries together...its a strange idea.

He just suggested an alliance, not unification.

[THM Nindo]

I think Mifune might hide something... like the fact that he's actually with Danzou :p
He always looked fishy anyway.

You can't trust someone with a face like that : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/17/

[vintagemistakes]

I think Mifune might hide something... like the fact that he's actually with Danzou :p
He always looked fishy anyway.

You can't trust someone with a face like that : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/456/17/
I wouldn't be the least surprised if they were working together.

From what we know, both Danzou and the Iron country are very militaristic. It almost seems like a no brainer that the two would have a common goal... sort of like how he tried to team up with Salamander Hanzou before.

Whats interesting though, is that Akatsuki seemed to be formed from their own misguided ambitions. If this is true, than defeating Akatsuki( who would now be a tangible evil that connects to the old way of doing things) would now change the world even more so than just defeating a evil organization hell bent on doing something evil. Things are starting to wrap up nicely...

[DARK]

Umm, didn't yugito control hers too?

They didn't mention Yugito as one of the people who can control tailed beasts. So while Gaara and Yugito were able to go to their full tailed forms, Killer Bee may have some special ability that allows him to control them.

[sarutobi_sensei]

not even be bothered to ask about Tsunade

That's what's pissing me. Why aren't they discussing what happened to Konoha and stuff like that :\


so Mifune, 'the neutral powers', no? wants them to create untited states of Narutoverse...that plays into Danzou hands, no wonder he stays quite. Wonder why he suggests this, whats in it for him to bind the 5 great countries together...its a strange idea.

It's not really strange to think that they should unite to save the world.

It happens all the time.

Bleach - Vaizards and Soul Society work together to take down Aizen
One Piece - Luffy, Crocodile and many more work together to bring down the World Government, save Ace and Kill Whitebeard (though this part will be avoided xD)
Reborn! - Varia and Tsuna+Guardians work together to bring down Millefiore so that Vongola doesn't perish
FMA - Ed and Scar + Many more that probably couldn't stand each other work together to bring down the Army.
Soul Eater - Shibusen and that snake witch work together to bring down aracnofobia

Plus much more that I won't be writing here xD

So it makes sense suggesting that. But just because it's suggested doesn't mean it'll work right now. Only when the time really comes will they unite forces and believe it, it won't be because of Danzou or the other Kages. They'll believe in what Naruto's trying to do and will unite forces to save him, help him, support him, whatever. Even if it means punching him so that he can calm down xD

I'm loving the Kage Meeting till now.

[xaither]

woot this chapter is getting better, but danzou has supreme commander. he must be like "Hell YEAh" in his mind.

Prediction: the raikage seemed to be someone to cause an war, maybe he starts a war with konoha, he already don't like them.thats when us the manga reader's get to experience our first naruto war.( yay let the blood spread). i did not know that the cloud's were that mean, i hope konoha kick there a...

[SenninSage]

I assume they simply haven't gotten to discussing what took place inside Konoha yet or perhaps it's Danzou's responsibility to bring it up.

Then again, he probably doesn't want to make Konoha look weak, so he'll probably leave out certain details. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Danzou had significant influence with Mifune and the Iron Country as well. He seems to have claws everywhere. To earn Hanzou's respect is no small task at all.

It will be very interesting seeing how the knowledge that the Cloud's Jinchuuruki is still alive and kicking affects the talks here, if at all. I wonder what Naruto will be up to and how Sasuke and his team are reacting to the news.

[Rikudou King]

What more is needed to be revealed about the incident in Konoha? All Danzo has to mention is that the supposed leader was killed and Konoha took no loses.

I can understand Mifune deciding for Konoha to lead the alliance. As the only village with a Jichuuriki, They would believe Akatsuki will be concentrating it's forces on them, Thus they have the most to risk.

[Boagrious]

Hmm Killer Bee is alive though, and all the choices they make because of Bee been absent and people assuming he is dead or captured by Akatsuki are gonna be the time bomb that will set everything going. A lot of this descissions are being made out of confusion and a lot of misin info. That is why Danzou is quiet, he knows something they don't. This meeting will show us what they are about and what Danzou's true intentions are.

[Logic]

I am happy now. My theory on madara could control all the bijus, not just the nine tails, just shown true. I can now finaly pee on those posts that argued on this common sense. Some people have to wait over 50 chapters to clear their confusion, where using logic, some of us got it just then. Cmon, if someone is able to manipulate a human & 9 tails, that someone must be able to manipulate everything in between!

[Darth Executor]

I am happy now. My theory on madara could control all the bijus, not just the nine tails, just shown true. I can now finaly pee on those posts that argued on this common sense.

No you can't. Those are people who could control bijuu, not necessarily ALL bijuu. Killerbee only controls one but he's still on the list. Madara has only been confirmed to be able to summon and control the kyuubi. Anything more is baseless speculation.

[lvarella]

Bee is being pursuit by Kisame, I hope we can see this fight, but I have a feeling that Kishi will show Kisame with Bee defeated and taking him to Akatsuki's Lair.

[Darth Executor]

Clound nin already know Konoha got nuked. It's kinda hard to cover up a giant crater where most of your village used to be.

[ameya730]

the whole thing is really funny konoha is the only country having a bijuu hence the mediator things its kage should be the supreme commander but at the same time the fact is konoha right now is destroyed i think the remaining kages have no idea about this situation

the only thing konoha having going for them is the kyubbi so i think if naruto barges in the meeting no one is going to just brush him off rather this time raikage would probably listen to him more seriously

[Zibi234]

This kinda sucks..... I mean Danzou gains power by acting like a parasite.... living on work of others..... Tsunade saved the village and he jumped into the hokage spot.... and now he bwecomes the supreme comander becouse there is naruto

I would be glad if Naruto was not listening to Danzou's orders and was the one on the lead of opposeing him..... like the source of danzou's power turns against him....

It would be good if Samui mentioned to the raikage that naruto was the one tha whole konoha is talking about and not danzou..... and what happened to konoha.... like bring up the Naruto issue...

Garra would mention that he was saved by naruto and that he helped him to change himself...and now sand is a peacefull united village that will help naruto if he asks for help.... maybe Mizukage and Rock-kage could ask who naruto is...... raikage would but in about that he met naruto on the way and that he was kneeling down...... DAnzou will notice that sai betrayed him and woudl say a word that naruto is a host that has to be held in the village since he is a weapon..... here Garra would jump in by protecting naruto's person........ so a discussion would appear which would result both Mizukage and rock kage wanting to meet that person...

But Danzou as supreme commander of all countries sucks.... he is not worthy to be a hokage and now that fanatic will be in lead of all countries......... its just sucks even more.... he will try to use naruto as his threat to others weapons..... like if you wont cooperate I will send 9tails on you !

But well this chapter doesnt sound that amazeing.... it sounds more like a boring chapter to me.... I guess right after the meeting Raikage will be pissed on himself for even bringing up that meeting..... since after this he will be forced to listen to konoha orders....

[digitaldude]

the whole thing is really funny konoha is the only country having a bijuu hence the mediator things its kage should be the supreme commander but at the same time the fact is konoha right now is destroyed i think the remaining kages have no idea about this situation

the only thing konoha having going for them is the kyubbi so i think if naruto barges in the meeting no one is going to just brush him off rather this time raikage would probably listen to him more seriously

Raikage knows about konoha's destruction for sure sincehe met the cloud ninja on his way to the summit.

[Boagrious]

No you can't. Those are people who could control bijuu, not necessarily ALL bijuu. Killerbee only controls one but he's still on the list. Madara has only been confirmed to be able to summon and control the kyuubi. Anything more is baseless speculation.

@Logic: You should have waited more than 50 chapters:D

[Logic]

I can understand Mifune deciding for Konoha to lead the alliance. As the only village with a Jichuuriki, They would believe Akatsuki will be concentrating it's forces on them, Thus they have the most to risk.

the konoha doesn't have any risk. Being the commander means leading whilst staying back & putting others in the front line. That way konoha will just be an informative leader. If danzou somehow wants to invest manpower in it, he will surely send all the tsunade supporters in the front line to be sacrificial offering for the akatsuki remnants.

[Boagrious]

This kinda sucks..... I mean Danzou gains power by acting like a parasite.... living on work of others..... Tsunade saved the village and he jumped into the hokage spot.... and now he bwecomes the supreme comander becouse there is naruto

I would be glad if Naruto was not listening to Danzou's orders and was the one on the lead of opposeing him..... like the source of danzou's power turns against him....

It would be good if Samui mentioned to the raikage that naruto was the one tha whole konoha is talking about and not danzou..... and what happened to konoha.... like bring up the Naruto issue...

Garra would mention that he was saved by naruto and that he helped him to change himself...and now sand is a peacefull united village that will help naruto if he asks for help.... maybe Mizukage and Rock-kage could ask who naruto is...... raikage would but in about that he met naruto on the way and that he was kneeling down...... DAnzou will notice that sai betrayed him and woudl say a word that naruto is a host that has to be held in the village since he is a weapon..... here Garra would jump in by protecting naruto's person........ so a discussion would appear which would result both Mizukage and rock kage wanting to meet that person...

But Danzou as supreme commander of all countries sucks.... he is not worthy to be a hokage and now that fanatic will be in lead of all countries......... its just sucks even more.... he will try to use naruto as his threat to others weapons..... like if you wont cooperate I will send 9tails on you !

But well this chapter doesnt sound that amazeing.... it sounds more like a boring chapter to me.... I guess right after the meeting Raikage will be pissed on himself for even bringing up that meeting..... since after this he will be forced to listen to konoha orders....

Sasuke is listening too, and I don't think he will stay there for long just watchin. When he hears about making konoha supreme commander and Danzou leading it cause they have Naruto, he will be more pissed than anyone in there. He is gonna pee Amaterasu on top of his heads

[Sunburn74]

i still don't see how tobi=madara=the former mizukage

the 5th mizukage says the 4th was manipulated by someone who presumably was madara. How then can madara manipulate himself? Its possible the one who manipulated madara was Pain? (to this day its still unclear who was manipulating who). But if it wasn't pain doing the manipulating, then it becomes impossible for the tobi to be both madara and the former mizukage...

[ameya730]

Raikage knows about konoha's destruction for sure sincehe met the cloud ninja on his way to the summit.

ya but i dont think the rest of the kages know about it also what would be more bad for danzou is if naruto and company just enter the summit and say this guy is just a temporary hokage :o

there is no way danzou would be supreme commander after that:s

[Darth Executor]

i still don't see how tobi=madara=the former mizukage

the 5th mizukage says the 4th was manipulated by someone who presumably was madara. How then can madara manipulate himself? Its possible the one who manipulated madara was Pain? (to this day its still unclear who was manipulating who)

I don't think the 4th knows Madara is a former mizukage. Maybe she just thinks he was manipulated because he gave off the appearance of being nice.
[hr]

Sasuke is listening too, and I don't think he will stay there for long just watchin. When he hears about making konoha supreme commander and Danzou leading it cause they have Naruto, he will be more pissed than anyone in there. He is gonna pee Amaterasu on top of his heads

I'm not sure Sasuke's in the room. The panel where he was watching Danzou happened is in a hall outside that room.

[7thTatamiMat]

Since each Kage can only bring two bodyguards, what happened to/where is Samui's team? If they're loitering around or near Iron Country maybe they'll be an encounter with Sasuke's group or with Naruto.

[Rikudou King]

the konoha doesn't have any risk. Being the commander means leading whilst staying back & putting others in the front line. That way konoha will just be an informative leader. If danzou somehow wants to invest manpower in it, he will surely send all the tsunade supporters in the front line to be sacrificial offering for the akatsuki remnants. To the other villages, Konoha does have a lot to risk. The other villages know that Akatsuki has no reason to deal with any of them anymore. As the only known Jinchuuriki, Naruto is the target of Akatsuki, Making Konoha the target as well.

[-Ren Boy-]

IIRC sasuke is already in the place, and Samui's team is prohibited from getting into the meeting

[Logic]

i still don't see how tobi=madara=the former mizukage

the 5th mizukage says the 4th was manipulated by someone who presumably was madara. How then can madara manipulate himself? Its possible the one who manipulated madara was Pain? (to this day its still unclear who was manipulating who). But if it wasn't pain doing the manipulating, then it becomes impossible for the tobi to be both madara and the former mizukage...

why not? 'Kage bunshin + Henge' . Naruto isnt the only one with huge chakra. Madara has limitless chakra too.

[Black Lagoon]

I don't think the 4th knows Madara is a former mizukage. Maybe she just thinks he was manipulated because he gave off the appearance of being nice.

when did madara got the Mizukage title?? If it's after losing against the first, so it can't be, cuz he's supposed to be dead, and if it's before, then the 4th should know about him.

[Logic]

To the other villages, Konoha does have a lot to risk. The other villages know that Akatsuki has no reason to deal with any of them anymore. As the only known Jinchuuriki, Naruto is the target of Akatsuki, Making Konoha the target as well.

thats the point. Danzou will use that excuse to use all the other villages/tsunade disciples in the front line to shield naruto. In other words, sacrificing them in this excuse, plus more safety for konoha.

[Parth]

AS ID predicted.. danzo chose to be silent!!

[LoS]

Is it just me or does this chapter/turn of events sound ridiculously dumb? I mean come on, a supreme land, dominion over others, supposed alliance. This is all just silly.

[Parth]

why not? 'Kage bunshin + Henge' . Naruto isnt the only one with huge chakra. Madara has limitless chakra too.

his chakra is sinister not limitless, had it been limitless we would have heard it from the censor chic.

[Mircus]

Is it just me or does this chapter/turn of events sound ridiculously dumb? I mean come on, a supreme land, dominion over others, supposed alliance. This is all just silly.

Dumb, like having a United Nations? Politics isn't pleasant either.

We really have to wait for more details or the chapter to fully interpret what's going on. What I got from the chapter is just the egg shell, I'm just waiting on the yoke.

So far I'm interested where the meeting is heading to.

[Darth Executor]

when did madara got the Mizukage title??


Sometime in recent history. Kisame recognized him as a Mizukage and Tobi said they were close. IIRC Kisame is about 30 years old so Madara as the 4th mizukage makes sense.


If it's after his defeat against the first so it's couldn't be cuz he's supposed to be dead, and if it's before then the 4th would know about him.

Please rephrase that in legible English.

[Parth]

Is it just me or does this chapter/turn of events sound ridiculously dumb? I mean come on, a supreme land, dominion over others, supposed alliance. This is all just silly.

the leadership is ONLY in respect of killing akatsuki is wat ive understood.
since konoha is in most danger having the only definite -alive- jinchuriki, it seems only natural to mkae this village the leader of this PARTICULAR mission.

[Logic]

his chakra is sinister not limitless, had it been limitless we would have heard it from the censor chic.

read the chapter where madara was talking to sasuke. He specificaly said that he has exceptionaly large chakra. He also said that, for his huge chakra, he has survived this long.

[Darth Executor]

Dumb, like having a United Nations?

Actually it's more like NATO.
[hr]

read the chapter where madara was talking to sasuke. He specificaly said that he has exceptionaly large chakra. He also said that, for his huge chakra, ha has survived this long.

It's strong chakra, not large chakra.

[Logic]

It's strong chakra, not large chakra.

different releases has different translations. The word maybe translated to 'great' or 'strong' by different translators. This is not the point here. The point is: madara can impersonate more than one person at a time and stay undetected. I just tried to explain to someone who didn't got it by sayin 'kage bunshin + henge', as an idea. Madara may have used a much higher jutsu than that to do double acting. Whatever it is, it must take 'strong'/'large' chakra. So, I am not wrong.

[SenninSage]

More than just unbelievable chakra, Naruto has something that most ninja don't have, that unbelievable stamina of his.

[The Closet Pervert]

The summary is SO short it's very hard to determine what was actually going on in the chapter. By that I mean, it's hard to determine the actual MOOD the kage meeting has.

But whatever happens I have to say: YESSSSSS! Raikage is against 5-village alliance! It will never happen now! :dance

[ChocoBar9]

Is it just me or does this chapter/turn of events sound ridiculously dumb? I mean come on, a supreme land, dominion over others, supposed alliance. This is all just silly.
Is it just mean or do you complain alot without even getting the jest of it :facepalm

[Black Lagoon]

Sometime in recent history. Kisame recognized him as a Mizukage and Tobi said they were close. IIRC Kisame is about 30 years old so Madara as the 4th mizukage makes sense.



Please rephrase that in legible English.

:facepalm You found it illegible?? anyway I changed it a bit.

Kisame could have recognized him as a mizukage simply because madara may have been controlling a mizukage with some jutsu like Sasori but with something more powerful ... I dunno, it's just a thought. :amuse

[J.J. Metal]

Yamato è sulla cover

Coloro che hanno creato l'organizzazione mercenaria chiamata "Akatsuki" furono dei consiglieri di diversi paesi.
Lo Tsuchikage ha usato l'Akatsuki per guadagnare soldi.
La Godaime Mizukage si intromette, dicendo che il suo paese non era a conoscenza di tutto ciò, dato che erano isolati (Questo a causa dello Yondaime Mizukage...Dicendo ciò, la Godaime rivela che è possibile che Yondaime abbia manipolato qualcuno)
Suna ha tentato di distruggere Konoha usando l'Akatsuki (il padre di Gaara).
L'hokage è scettico, si chiede se non stiano parlando un pò troppo (pensa tra se e se)
Il Raikage si arrabbia con gli altri Kage.
Quelli capaci di controllare i Bijuu sono: Madara, Shodaime Hokage, Yondaime Mizukage, Killer Bee.

Quindi Mifune, il capo del paese neutrale, da una sua opinione.
"Che ne dite di creare un'alleanza tra i Cinque Paesi?"
"L'hokage prenderà il comando dell'alleanza, dato che il suo paese controlla ancora un bijuu. Che ne pensate?"
Dopo aver ascoltato ciò, il Raikage esclama: "Che Cosa?!!"

Finisce così.

Viene rivelata la faccia di Yondaime Mizukage (un bell'uomo), però la teoria di Yondaime Mizukage = Tobi sembra sia fondata, a causa dell'abilità di controllare i Bijuu. Anche perchè Kisame l'ha chiamato Mizukage-Sama, però potrebbe anche essere stato il 3 Mizukage, non per forza il 4.

[THM Nindo]

I am happy now. My theory on madara could control all the bijus, not just the nine tails, just shown true. I can now finaly pee on those posts that argued on this common sense. Some people have to wait over 50 chapters to clear their confusion, where using logic, some of us got it just then. Cmon, if someone is able to manipulate a human & 9 tails, that someone must be able to manipulate everything in between!

Call me whatever you want, but I still think that he can only control the 9-tails.
There's too much stuff linking the Uchiha and the Nine-tails to be only coincidencial.

[Mundei]

Is it just me or does this chapter/turn of events sound ridiculously dumb? I mean come on, a supreme land, dominion over others, supposed alliance. This is all just silly.

Actually this maybe hinting onto how Naruto is gonna change the ninja world and it's system. 1 nation 1 rule, look at how china was created warring factions til 1 came and took them all under his control( granted hopefully not to a extreme rulership ), sure there was still fights but they fought as 1 country.

[richtoyz]

Call me whatever you want, but I still think that he can only control the 9-tails.
There's too much stuff linking the Uchiha and the Nine-tails to be only coincidencial.

there is all that stuff linking the 9tail and the uchiha because he has been their pet since the time of the first hokage, but any uchiha who is acomplished at genjutsu can control any bijuu or person

[KiSwordsman]

Danzou is hilarious.

Danzou: So ya, why don't we form alliance. And since konoha still has it's Bijuu, I can be the leader how does that sound?

Raikage: Uhhh..... No

[THM Nindo]

there is all that stuff linking the 9tail and the uchiha because he has been their pet since the time of the first hokage, but any uchiha who is acomplished at genjutsu can control any bijuu or person

Yeah, I guess you could be right.
We did saw sasuke controlling Manda by genjutsu.

It's just all the times when Uchiha were associated to 9-tails, or vice versa...
Seems like there'a stronger bond between them.

And the 9-tail symbol behind the throne in the Uchiha hideout too...
I always thought they had a special relationship.
[hr]

Danzou is hilarious.

Danzou: So ya, why don't we form alliance. And since konoha still has it's Bijuu, I can be the leader how does that sound?

Raikage: Uhhh..... No

Lol, that would have been bad.
Fortunately, Danzou is not the one that made this suggestion, it was Mifune.

Otherwise, it could have turn worst.

[Askia32]

Yeah, I guess you could be right.
We did saw Itachi controlling Manda by genjutsu.



Helpin you out a lil bit

We did see Itachi Sasuke controlling Manda by genjutsu.

[SenninSage]

Call me whatever you want, but I still think that he can only control the 9-tails.
There's too much stuff linking the Uchiha and the Nine-tails to be only coincidencial.

True, until I see proof that Madara could control more than one bijuu, like the First Hokage was able to, I'll continue to assume that Madara can only control the 9 tails.

They also spoke of going blind being the price one pays to gain the power to control the Kyuubi. That makes it seem as if the power, whatever it may be, is specific only to the Kyuubi.

We need greater clarification to see if Madara could indeed control more than just the Kyuubi. Then again, the Kyuubi is insanely powerful and if the Mangekyou Sharingan granted him the power to control it, then I assume what would make any lesser bijuu immune?

It seems pretty clear though that Madara's power went beyond simply just controlling the thing, but into the realm of actually being able to summon the 9 tails.

[Raizen]

Interesting to know about Akatsuki's origins, I just want to know what Raikage will do about it, since one of its founders is right in front of him :XD
And Danzou probably triggered the beginning of the 4 world war with his words: I'm sure Danzou was expecting such reaction from the others Kages, but I'm afraid that Danzou has some backup to help him with the plans, otherwise he wouldn't propose it.
Really interesting from now
I thought it was the neutral party that suggested that konoha becomes the leader, not danzou. I thought the spoilers stated that danzou was keeping silent

Also, so does this mean killerbee can control all bijuus not just his own?

[uchiha-Kakashi]

Guess who is going to be the Hokage of the new village!?

[THM Nindo]

Helpin you out a lil bit

We did see Itachi Sasuke controlling Manda by genjutsu.

Lol, thanks.
Yeah, I meant Sasuke :p

[Raizen]

Lol, thanks.
Yeah, I meant Sasuke :p
I thought that was hypnosis, not necessarily control

[Darth Executor]

Guess who is going to be the Hokage of the new village!?

There is no new village. I wish people would actually read properly before commenting.

[ninjaman]

hmm if that madara looking guy[which i think he is] brought up the idea of one person controlling everything then i think he is definetly madara because madara knows that konoha got naruto and sasuke gonna try and kill danzou. What if madara want to kill danzou so that he got supreme control?
*hope im not confusing -.-

[Darrenj]

How is danzou going to run it when his village is in ruin... seems silly

[kagebutso no jutso]

Hi guys!
I think I know the real identity of Madara. If you look at chapter 407, Page 07 everything is clear.

I also think Kakashi knows a lot more than everybody think, so he goes to the meeting with the hokages, too. But Danzou do not trust Naruto, because he's the rubik.

And Danzou is searching for Kabuto, but why? I think I can asnwer this question clearly. Kabuto is half Orochimaru, and half snake, so Danzou, want the power of Kabuto to kill Madara and Naruto. He is stronger than Sasuke, but he says also, he want to protect everyone even if he dies. So Danzou will do everything for the people of Konoha, but if you want peace in Konoha, Naruto must die, because he is the rubik!

[Belisar]

Hi guys!
I think I know the real identity of Madara. If you look at chapter 407, Page 07 everything is clear.
madara is the code girl? http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Schock/smilie_sh_040.gif
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of course! how could i be so dumb not to notice? :facepalm

[llamapie]

Hi guys!
I think I know the real identity of Madara. If you look at chapter 407, Page 07 everything is clear.

I also think Kakashi knows a lot more than everybody think, so he goes to the meeting with the hokages, too. But Danzou do not trust Naruto, because he's the rubik.

And Danzou is searching for Kabuto, but why? I think I can asnwer this question clearly. Kabuto is half Orochimaru, and half snake, so Danzou, want the power of Kabuto to kill Madara and Naruto. He is stronger than Sasuke, but he says also, he want to protect everyone even if he dies. So Danzou will do everything for the people of Konoha, but if you want peace in Konoha, Naruto must die, because he is the rubik!

He wants Kabuto to hide the information that Danzou committed treason by handing Oro information, as well as the fact that Kabuto can heal whatever ails his right arm and eye.

Btw, its quite fricking obvious its Madara. Maybe because he says he's Madara. I dunno that seems like a dead give away to me.

[niblack89]

I have a sugestion on why it said that Killer bee and Mandara may control Bujii's I believe since Mandara has the potential to control the king of the Bujii's using the kyubi is some what of a means to control other Bujii's.

As for Killer bee it could be used as the same with his ability to control the 8 tails he can control lower bujii's it's like a heiarchy(miss spelled sorry)

If Kasame knows Tobi's Mandara I'm sure that the 5th would of knowned that little secreat as well. So that could of meant that Akuski was created in the mist village and there was another person who had control of the bujii's like the first or Mandara had a son or teacher. I can't wait to hear Mandara's true secreats we know the basics of him but little is gathering about him and it seems he is responcible for everything.

[CaptFamous]

Is it me, or is Danzou using mind control on people like the daimyo of the Fire country and the leader of this neutral country? They sure are making a lot of random decisions in his favor.

[-Ren Boy-]

Hi guys!
I think I know the real identity of Madara. If you look at chapter 407, Page 07 everything is clear.
-_-;RIGHTTTTTTTT.........
I beg you tell me this is a joke. PLEASEE!!! Tell me this is a joke. I just can't bare reading what you said, so I beg of you.

PLEASE TELL ME IT IS A JOKE

p.s it wasn't that funny-_-;

[weehoo107]

Is it me, or is Danzou using mind control on people like the daimyo of the Fire country and the leader of this neutral country? They sure are making a lot of random decisions in his favor.

it sure looks like it!!! But I think that Danzo is much more involved with Akatsuki then any of the other Kages. as you notice in the spoiler, it says he's uncharacteristically quiet, probably because he's refusing to admit he has part in their beginning to make Konoha look good.

He's probably the most involved with them. I would bet my money on it.

from what i can see, there's talk of a world alliance, not a new village, like a world government. and Danzo was just nominated for head honcho.
I do not like Tsuchikage all of a sudden.
was this the meaning of the caption, "the meeting that would rock the world?" I seriously hope that there isn't a world government. or a new village. or a new anything.

[Darth Executor]

I still think this turn is stupid. As I said before, why didn't Danzou become Hokage when the 3rd got offed by Oro? It would've been perfect then since unlike the current disaster (for which he was partially responsible), the Oro invasion is all on the 3rd's back since he was the sissy who let him go the first time. The quality of kishi's writing really has dropped to a lower level, though I suppose it started with the atrocious middle and end of the Pain invasion arc.

[NaruHina-X]

Is it me, or is Danzou using mind control on people like the daimyo of the Fire country and the leader of this neutral country? They sure are making a lot of random decisions in his favor.

Looks like it since he has the Sharingan. It maybe possible he maybe doing using mind control jutsu.

[SenninSage]

I still think this turn is stupid. As I said before, why didn't Danzou become Hokage when the 3rd got offed by Oro? It would've been perfect then since unlike the current disaster (for which he was partially responsible), the Oro invasion is all on the 3rd's back since he was the sissy who let him go the first time. The quality of kishi's writing really has dropped to a lower level, though I suppose it started with the atrocious middle and end of the Pain invasion arc.

With Jiraiya around? There was no way Danzou had a shot.

Then Jiraiya also promised to go get Tsunade, which is a VERY big deal.

[g1534]

Looks like it since he has the Sharingan. It maybe possible he maybe doing using mind control jutsu.

If that were it, he probably wouldn't need to worry much about the Jounin voting on him.

[gfire2]

I still think this turn is stupid. As I said before, why didn't Danzou become Hokage when the 3rd got offed by Oro? It would've been perfect then since unlike the current disaster (for which he was partially responsible), the Oro invasion is all on the 3rd's back since he was the sissy who let him go the first time. The quality of kishi's writing really has dropped to a lower level, though I suppose it started with the atrocious middle and end of the Pain invasion arc.

you forgot jiraiya was still alive, im sure if danzou wanted to be hokage jiraiya woulda done everything to stop him, after all the damaiyo and jiraiya are really good friends (or something along those lines)

[WereMongoose]

With Jiraiya around? There was no way Danzou had a shot.

Then Jiraiya also promised to go get Tsunade, which is a VERY big deal.

You forgot to mention blaming the one guy that held back Orochimaru from wreaking havoc in the village at the time of the invasion, was a beloved leader and teacher, and was killed in action not long ago is never gonna work wonders to sway people to your side. Or the fact that the two advisers still seemed to have some power and influence, and we all know they were in the same squad as Hiruzen.

[THM Nindo]

Is it me, or is Danzou using mind control on people like the daimyo of the Fire country and the leader of this neutral country? They sure are making a lot of random decisions in his favor.

Lol, you're right!!

The way the Daimyo suddenly changed his mind.
And the way that the neutral guy suddenly wants to give all power to Danzou.

You might have something here!

[pirateninjahunter]

Hello everybody,

Many people know a lot more than me about Naruto. But I thought about something that was not yet said. Gaara is in the summit. And I believe that he is the strongest one in the summit.

The only ones that could be as strong as him are Danzou and Raikage.

Gaara was really strong with his bijuu. But now without his bijuu he is able to sleep. The fact that he was not able to sleep before was a huge handicap.

Gaara was always shown as a really strong ninja. When he lost to Deidara it was explained that the reason he lost was that he wanted to protect the village from the bombs. So at that point, gaara was already at the level of akatsuki while Naruto and Sasuke had not yet reached Kakashi's level. It was not shown for nothing. IMO gaara is going to save the day once again. Maybe it will be against madara.

IMO Madara > Kisame=Two faces=Naruto=Gaara > Sasuke

Thanks

[THETRUTH.com]

I still think this turn is stupid. As I said before, why didn't Danzou become Hokage when the 3rd got offed by Oro? It would've been perfect then since unlike the current disaster (for which he was partially responsible), the Oro invasion is all on the 3rd's back since he was the sissy who let him go the first time. The quality of kishi's writing really has dropped to a lower level, though I suppose it started with the atrocious middle and end of the Pain invasion arc.



Sissy? Sandaime should have killed Oro but him not killing him is understandable. He was Oro's sensei and felt he would become hokage. On the other hand Danzou, for all his shit talking, did hide underground while Konoha was being attacked. Something which is extremely hard to think Sarutobi-sensei would ever even consider. Also the elders asked J-man to become hokage. They may know of a relationship between Oro and Danzou. We already know Danzou values Oro's research. Also the Nagato attack may not be the first time Danzou hide underground hoping the hokage is eliminated it may have been the third occasion he has done so(Kyuubi, Oro attack, Nagato). All these thing could figure into why Danzou wasn't the first choice for hokage especially with all the sannin alive and 2 of which are being loyal to Konoha. Tsunade was somewhat neutral but considering how she feels about Danzou it isn't hard to think news of him becoming hokage being enough to bring her back to Konoha. With Tsunade and Jiraiya against Danzou he wouldn't have got the Jounin vote. Also the Daimyou favored Jiraiya which may be the most important reason.

Danzou says he runs the underworld. It opens up the possibility of him having influence over other shady shinobi. And him being more closely connected with Akatsuki than others. Taking away other village's bijuu would weaken other villages lead to an imbalance of the balance structure set up by Shodai. Then a suggestion of him leading an alliance because konoha still has their bijuu just after takes the leadership role in Konoha. It all falls together nicely for him. Danzou could have supplied AK with intel.

[Yusaku Jon 3]

I'm basing that "4 = bad luck" on a scene from Rumiko Takahashi's Urusei Yatsura where the one of the characters informs the protagonist that a particular situation he had found himself in was the result of a series of coinciding superstitions, one of them involving the number 4. Basically, the poor fellow couldn't get lucky at all.

On the topic, though, I will have to see what the actual chapter will show once they get that up before I can reach my own conclusions as to what is going on. All I'm hoping for is that Kishimoto is getting ready to wrap this one up and that we'll be getting past Naruto being weepy for his long-lost buddy (who happens to want to kill everybody, even though he's really being manipulated by one of the main villains of the story right now).

[Rikudou King]

Sissy? Sandaime should have killed Oro but him not killing him is understandable. He was Oro's sensei and felt he would become hokage. On the other hand Danzou, for all his shit talking, did hide underground while Konoha was being attacked. Something which is extremely hard to think Sarutobi-sensei would ever even consider. Also the elders asked J-man to become hokage. They may know of a relationship between Oro and Danzou. We already know Danzou values Oro's research. Also the Nagato attack may not be the first time Danzou hide underground hoping the hokage is eliminated it may have been the third occasion he has done so(Kyuubi, Oro attack, Nagato). All these thing could figure into why Danzou wasn't the first choice for hokage especially with all the sannin alive and 2 of which are being loyal to Konoha. Tsunade was somewhat neutral but considering how she feels about Danzou it isn't hard to think news of him becoming hokage being enough to bring her back to Konoha. With Tsunade and Jiraiya against Danzou he wouldn't have got the Jounin vote. Also the Daimyou favored Jiraiya which may be the most important reason.

Danzou says he runs the underworld. It opens up the possibility of him having influence over other shady shinobi. And him being more closely connected with Akatsuki than others. Taking away other village's bijuu would weaken other villages lead to an imbalance of the balance structure set up by Shodai. Then a suggestion of him leading an alliance because konoha still has their bijuu just after takes the leadership role in Konoha. It all falls together nicely for him. Danzou could have supplied AK with intel. I question how "illegal" Danzo past actions were. Obviously Tsunade was weary of Danzo, And I hardly believe that if she had dirt on him, She wouldn't use it to stop him. An example would be his dealing with Orochimaru, If that what it was. If it happen before Orochimaru became a missingnin, Then while distasteful, It wouldn't be that terrible.

I would say the reason Danzo didn't jump in as Hokage after Sabutori could be he didn't want to be Hokage yet. I mean, He himself has never stated that he always wanted to be Hokage. We learned of that idea from secondary sources. Why wouldn't Danzo manipulate things once Jiraiya left if his goal was to be the Hokage. The Damiyo may have wanted Jiraiya but that doesn't necessary translate to him wanting the other sannin Tsunade.

[elitefox]

True, until I see proof that Madara could control more than one bijuu, like the First Hokage was able to, I'll continue to assume that Madara can only control the 9 tails.

They also spoke of going blind being the price one pays to gain the power to control the Kyuubi. That makes it seem as if the power, whatever it may be, is specific only to the Kyuubi.

We need greater clarification to see if Madara could indeed control more than just the Kyuubi. Then again, the Kyuubi is insanely powerful and if the Mangekyou Sharingan granted him the power to control it, then I assume what would make any lesser bijuu immune?

It seems pretty clear though that Madara's power went beyond simply just controlling the thing, but into the realm of actually being able to summon the 9 tails.

Madara: kyubi kuchiyose no jutsu...

???: ooh... who is disturbing my sle...ep...
(naruto appeared)

:D

[DARK]

I still think this turn is stupid. As I said before, why didn't Danzou become Hokage when the 3rd got offed by Oro? It would've been perfect then since unlike the current disaster (for which he was partially responsible), the Oro invasion is all on the 3rd's back since he was the sissy who let him go the first time. The quality of kishi's writing really has dropped to a lower level, though I suppose it started with the atrocious middle and end of the Pain invasion arc.

Yes, that IS a major plot hole. Naturally, this would have been a perfect time for Danzou to have stepped in. The "peaceful" ways of the 3rd Hokage, as well as the Hokage's reluctance to kill Orochimaru, who orchestrated the invasion of the village.

[ptolemy]

Yes, that IS a major plot hole. Naturally, this would have been a perfect time for Danzou to have stepped in. The "peaceful" ways of the 3rd Hokage, as well as the Hokage's reluctance to kill Orochimaru, who orchestrated the invasion of the village.

Not necessarily. Danzou got the hokageship this time because the Fire Lord gave it up to him, and the fire lord seemed like a pretty weak minded guy. After the oro invasion, the sannin were the best ninja of the village, and their characteristics trump Danzou and his influence. I don't doubt that Jiraiya was stronger than Danzou, and the same with tsunade. That's why it was offered to them.

There are other possible reasons as well. For all we know Danzou did vie for the hokageship after the oro invasion, but it didn't work out then.

And on top of that, perhaps the higher ups didn't see a need to give power to a man with Danzou's mentality, but now, after the entire village was destroyed, they did.

So you see, it's not necessarily a plot-hole

[DARK]

Not necessarily. Danzou got the hokageship this time because the Fire Lord gave it up to him, and the fire lord seemed like a pretty weak minded guy. After the oro invasion, the sannin were the best ninja of the village, and their characteristics trump Danzou and his influence. I don't doubt that Jiraiya was stronger than Danzou, and the same with tsunade. That's why it was offered to them.

There are other possible reasons as well. For all we know Danzou did vie for the hokageship after the oro invasion, but it didn't work out then.

And on top of that, perhaps the higher ups didn't see a need to give power to a man with Danzou's mentality, but now, after the entire village was destroyed, they did.

So you see, it's not necessarily a plot-hole

The elders chose Jiraiya, who was in the village, over Danzo. Jiraiya then led to Tsunade, another Sannin, as Hokage. Of course, Danzo should have been introduced here.

[patedecarne]

About the fourth Mizukage and Madara, something is not right: Yondaime Mizukage was able to tame the tailed beasts, but his face is revealed in this chapter. Madara also was able to tame, so, he was sandaime Mizukage? they have two kages with the ability to tame monsters? Unlikely, if you ask me,something's fishy about all of this

But maybe it'll explain once and for all the true purpose of Akatsuki; Pain said he created Akatsuki, Madara said he created Akatsuki, now we find out that even some kages are involved in its creation.

Maybe the true purpose of Akatsuki still is unknown? Well, could be possible.

[Mangakotlar]

About the fourth Mizukage and Madara, something is not right: Yondaime Mizukage was able to tame the tailed beasts, but his face is revealed in this chapter. Madara also was able to tame, so, he was sandaime Mizukage? they have two kages with the ability to tame monsters? Unlikely, if you ask me,something's fishy about all of this

But maybe it'll explain once and for all the true purpose of Akatsuki; Pain said he created Akatsuki, Madara said he created Akatsuki, now we find out that even some kages are involved in its creation.

Maybe the true purpose of Akatsuki still is unknown? Well, could be possible.

It makes perfect sense if Yondaime Mizukage is Madara. It says that the Godaime is at the meeting, not Yondaime. The Yondaime being able to control bijuu, and the fact that he was "manipulated" or not disclosing info to the Mizu council makes perfect sense, because he is the shadow leader of the very organization Godaime is complaining that he didn't report on.

[The Closet Pervert]

Bad Writing? Plot hole? :facepalm

I see a clear queue for position of the Hokage:
1)Jiraya
2)Tsunade
3)Danzo
3.0000000001)Kakashi

Jiraya is dead. Tsunade is incapacitated for an indefinite amount of time. That leaves Danzo to be next in the line. What is so illogical about that?


Maybe the true purpose of Akatsuki still is unknown? Well, could be possible.

"Operation Moon's Eye", as Madara put it. That is the true reason or purpose of Akatsuki, I suspect. What that plan is, I have no idea.

[DARK]

How about if people's mental capactity has sunk low? Bad Writing? Plot hole? :facepalm

I see a clear queue for position of the Hokage:
1)Jiraya
2)Tsunade
3)Danzo
3.0000000001)Kakashi

Jiraya is dead. Tsunade is incapacitated for an indefinite amount of time. That leaves Danzo to be next in the line. What is so illogical about that?



"Operation Moon's Eye", as Madara put it. That is the true reason or purpose of Akatsuki, I suspect. What that plan is, I have no idea.

So they DID put the Sannin ahead of Danzou.

Believe me, nobody knows as of yet what the "Moon Eye Operation" is. That's among one of the newer mysteries in the series.

[arslan]

I think Madara just took the support when he could get it, playing the fool all the while he was playing others for a fool. Pain was the front, while Madara was the true mastermind who manipulated the Advisers and used their desire for money/profit as well as the tsuchikage's greed to his own advantage. Akatsuki's true agenda maybe whatever Madara truly intends. I doubt kishimoto is going to introduce more significant players at this point in time. Akatsuki acted useful for others because it was in their own interests. They never were in their control. They truly were a mercenary organization.

[Mangakotlar]

Bad Writing? Plot hole? :facepalm

I see a clear queue for position of the Hokage:
1)Jiraya
2)Tsunade
3)Danzo
3.0000000001)Kakashi

Jiraya is dead. Tsunade is incapacitated for an indefinite amount of time. That leaves Danzo to be next in the line. What is so illogical about that?



"Operation Moon's Eye", as Madara put it. That is the true reason or purpose of Akatsuki, I suspect. What that plan is, I have no idea.

Because Danzo has absolutely no support within the village. The real question should be how Danzo is able to be in a position of power in a ~200 person village, where there is presumably little chance to avoid scrutiny in policy decisions, and command a shadow contra-establishment organization without being absolutely suppressed. Suspicions of his disloyalty were abound both in Sodaime's and Tsunade Godaime's time, yet neither Sodaime, nor Godaime seemed to make any orders about this. Considering that he quite literally contributes NOTHING, yet must certainly appropriate a large chunk of the fiscal budget towards maintaining his shadow terrorist army (which somehow also seems to take the best ninja's), which seems to only be used in spying on key members of the council, certainly makes me suspicious of the town Treasury. Maybe the Godaime should have abolished this "security council" grandfather legal status. Danzo certainly looks broke, so I doubt he's bribing anyone. :eyeroll

Kishi needs to explain this.

As for operation "Moon Eye", I'm guessing that Danzo is Madara's brother, and the "moon" reference is both an allusion to the position in which Madara/Danzo have instilled themselves (Moon is the Sun in the Shadows, the highest position of power at night) as well as to Tsukiyami (however the hell its spelled), which is the illusion using the Moon's power. The illusion is that which Madara and his sibling have perpetrated upon the 5 nations, the villages within, and the Akutsiki organization. They plan to instill themselves in the head of a unified 5 nation government through subversion.

The reason Danzo hides his eye is because it is a permanent "on" sharingan. The EMS is perm. on because it is taken in active form from another's body. This is the same reason why Madara has only his right eye revealed. I know I know, they "hasve the blood"; that is a bit of a plothole. They swapped eyes, one working eye in each body, in order to give one another EMS.

Historically, Danzo is a master of genjitsu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kato_Danzo

"Danzo's first known genjutsu performance was when he had performed the trick of swallowing a cow in front of a rather large crowd of people. When a certain man amongst the crown had seen through Danzo's genjutsu trick, Danzo compensated for this by sowing many moonflower seeds within the ground. After the seeds had hit the ground, they had immediately began to sprout, in which vines and buds grew out of the flower, leading to its bloom. It is said that the flowers were over seventy centimeters in width, which had led to the crowd's astonishment. For unknown reasons, the certain man who had seen through Danzo's trick ended up having his body split into two sections after falling to the ground which made a large noise. The famed Uesugi Kenshin had heard of Danzo's reputation, which had led for him to invite Danzo to his prime castle. Danzo had claimed to Kenshin that his genjutsu abilities had known no bounds and that he could accomplish anything with his powers. Kenshin then tested Danzo's abilities by challenging him to sneak into a certain castle and to retrieve one of his vassal's prized long sword. Guards were employed within every post, along with lights to eliminate the darkness, and to even let loose dogs. However, Danzo had performed don kenjutsu and donjinjutsu to appear before Lord Kenshin with the long sword.

Kenshin then had believed that Danzo would be a very useful ally if he were to become one of his vassals. Kenshin soon realized that Danzo would be no more than a beast who was useful when chains were attached, but would become as furocious as a freed beast if the chains were to be broken. Kenshin had then ordered for Danzo's execution. After Danzo had been completely surrounded by Kenshin's soldiers, he said, "Now, everyone, I would like to show you something amazing". Danzo produced a large gourd and appeared to pour sake into a cup. Twenty dolls came out of the gourd and began to dance. The amusing dancing of the dolls captivated the vassal's attention, and Danzo seized the chance to escape. After this, Danzo decided to visit the famed Takeda Shingen, the nemesis of Kenshin. Just like Kenshin however, Shingen had declared Danzo as a very dangerous illusionist, and he was to be executed. Many believe that Danzo was either shot repeatedly or decapitated."

Madara and his brother has tricked the world into believing that they were dead, and over time wormed their way into power, from the shadows. Now they will stand together. I'm guessing that Sasuke and Naruto will fight on the same side against the combined menace.

[The Closet Pervert]

Because Danzo has absolutely no support within the village.

Considering that he quite literally contributes NOTHING.

Kishi needs to explain this.

When did those become a fact? All I saw was a couple of angry looks from Jounins but that's it. Oh and I'm quite sure he contributes a lot. We haven't seen anything because Danzo is good at what he does (what? saving Naruto's ass by killing the frog suddenly doesn't count as contributing?). You know, good at ninja stuff.

There is no need to explain anything when you are making up your own facts.

[THETRUTH.com]

I question how "illegal" Danzo past actions were. Obviously Tsunade was weary of Danzo, And I hardly believe that if she had dirt on him, She wouldn't use it to stop him. An example would be his dealing with Orochimaru, If that what it was. If it happen before Orochimaru became a missingnin, Then while distasteful, It wouldn't be that terrible.

I would say the reason Danzo didn't jump in as Hokage after Sabutori could be he didn't want to be Hokage yet. I mean, He himself has never stated that he always wanted to be Hokage. We learned of that idea from secondary sources. Why wouldn't Danzo manipulate things once Jiraiya left if his goal was to be the Hokage. The Damiyo may have wanted Jiraiya but that doesn't necessary translate to him wanting the other sannin Tsunade.


Danzou is very secretive, so people not having proof doesn't make what he did legal or sanctioned. Example a criminal kills someone and there is no evidence that doesn't make that murder legal. It would be terrible and illegal if Danzou's involvment include helping Oro with illegal unsanctioned experiments or missions.

Danzou seems very pragmatic to me. I don't think he became hokage after Sarutobi died because he couldn't. Just listen to how his subordinates casually speak of assassinating Konoha-nin if he thought he could kill these shinobi he would have. Also remember he would have had to deal with Itachi. The shinobi who would be his opposition are now out of the picture Tsunade, Itachi, and Jiraiya. Too many variables at the time. He could have tried to manipulate people but as soon as Tsunade and Jiraiya returned he would have been in trouble. Given the fact that he won't go against Naruto due to his popularity with J-man and Tsunade-hime in opposition he would never get the Jounin vote.

@Rikudou King
Getting off topic posts moved to Hangout. (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51358&page=19)

[Tayz]

wow the spoilers are crazy!! so madara is not the 4th mizukage it seems... or is he?

i think madara is the nice guy the spoilers are talking about. the 'nice guy' took madara's sharingan and probably memory and abilities too. thats why he said "my power, uchiha madara's power" in chapter 364

http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000364/18.jpg

[elitefox]

wow the spoilers are crazy!! so madara is not the 4th mizukage it seems... or is he?

i think madara is the nice guy the spoilers are talking about. the 'nice guy' took madara's sharingan and probably memory and abilities too. thats why he said "my power, uchiha madara's power" in chapter 364

http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000364/18.jpg

in due time my friend in due time:)

if this continues and danzou become the leader of the united blah blah and sasuke kill him... this is gonna be a no turning back for sasuke, naruto must realize that he must kill sasuke for everyone's sake now and have made a bad decision keeping sasuke alive and running wild.
heroes makes mistakes too, and sasuke is one :darn

[thornofcarrion]

The new chapter has made Madara/Tobi into a more mystery than he already was. I agree with the idea of elitefox. Until we see true identities of Madara and Danzou, its hard to say how things will turn out.

[Duc :D]

Yondaime lost his memories after the kyubi incident and started to seek for power. Madara got killed during the KYubi incident and so Yondaime Hokage took his powers and eyes that would explain why tobi has yellow flash light-like jutsu. stupid theory i know but since ppl start thinking that tobi|=Madara thats my idea about it xD

[elitefox]

Yondaime lost his memories after the kyubi incident and started to seek for power. Madara got killed during the KYubi incident and so Yondaime Hokage took his powers and eyes that would explain why tobi has yellow flash light-like jutsu. stupid theory i know but since ppl start thinking that tobi|=Madara thats my idea about it xD

Any theory is welcome, if you truly believe in that then so be it :tem


If that's the case then Yondaime wants naruto to be the all out hero that will save Konoha from him :D just like itachi did but didn't work though :darn

[SOLDIER [X]]

Yondaime lost his memories after the kyubi incident and started to seek for power. Madara got killed during the KYubi incident and so Yondaime Hokage took his powers and eyes that would explain why tobi has yellow flash light-like jutsu. stupid theory i know but since ppl start thinking that tobi|=Madara thats my idea about it xD

Cept the Yondaime is using a time space/reverse summon type jutsu to teleport to the points where his summon tags are at. In addition, they clearly stated and showed that to use the Death God summon you had to have your soul taken away forever.

[fassie]

Some people laugh when I mention that Danzo and Madra are brothers. I am glad to see others share my conclusions and the history behind the theory. It makes sense as a writer to tie these characters together. The story ling plot is heading into this direction. We will see out it plays out. Well go to the website below and read the history and make your own conclusions

http://www2.kanawa.com/japan/figure7.html

[Federicoxxx]

dat yondaime mizukage.. tobi or not tobi , madara or not madara

whoever he was.. it seem he really fuck it up lol ..

the new mizukage gurl , dont stop blaming the guy!

btw i love that name "The Bloodmist village"

[Rain0r]

Erm i might have read some of ur comments wrong, but didnt we already know that madara was a former mizukage after his conversation with Kisame? So i think its safe to say that Madara was the mizukage who could control the bijuu.

I have a theory that the end battle might actually be Madara + naruto (controlled by Madara) Vs Danzou an Sasuke!

[Logic]

I am dissapointed to see that more descriptive spoilers hasn't come out yet. Still on the dark assuming blanks. Hope the full japanese spoiler script come out in the next few hours, and let me be totaly spoilled. When that comes out, I will be hoping the translation to come in a flash with the kind help of our generous translators (?) Lol

[Smokes]

Because Danzo has absolutely no support within the village. The real question should be how Danzo is able to be in a position of power in a ~200 person village, where there is presumably little chance to avoid scrutiny in policy decisions, and command a shadow contra-establishment organization without being absolutely suppressed. Suspicions of his disloyalty were abound both in Sodaime's and Tsunade Godaime's time, yet neither Sodaime, nor Godaime seemed to make any orders about this. Considering that he quite literally contributes NOTHING, yet must certainly appropriate a large chunk of the fiscal budget towards maintaining his shadow terrorist army (which somehow also seems to take the best ninja's), which seems to only be used in spying on key members of the council, certainly makes me suspicious of the town Treasury. Maybe the Godaime should have abolished this "security council" grandfather legal status. Danzo certainly looks broke, so I doubt he's bribing anyone. :eyeroll

Kishi needs to explain this.

Epic failure on Tsunade's part. It's mind boggling that she not only knew that Danzou was looking to undermine her, but that he was also issuing orders that directly contradicted hers, and apparently she still felt no need to keep tabs on him. She's a ninja , for crying out loud.....or maybe she gets a pass like Sakura because her specialty is medicine.

Danzou's heading up this nebulous military organization with this vague mandate with apparently no accountability and the hokages just let him be. There had better be more this story.

But when it comes to financing these things, I doubt we can hold Danzou to the traditionally accepted standards. I'm sure he made plenty of money contracting out mercenaries, conducting assassinations, and destabilizing regions.

[nianiote]

The fake spoiler wasn't that bad, except two things: Yamato, Naruto and Kakashi declared missing-nin. And when they said Amegakure was their first common target. but the meeting was actually well written.

[ninjaman]

new spoiler two long and if sasuke got detected alreadyhe would be dogs meat.

[jodi]

Hello everybody,

Many people know a lot more than me about Naruto. But I thought about something that was not yet said. Gaara is in the summit. And I believe that he is the strongest one in the summit.

The only ones that could be as strong as him are Danzou and Raikage.

Gaara was really strong with his bijuu. But now without his bijuu he is able to sleep. The fact that he was not able to sleep before was a huge handicap.

Gaara was always shown as a really strong ninja. When he lost to Deidara it was explained that the reason he lost was that he wanted to protect the village from the bombs. So at that point, gaara was already at the level of akatsuki while Naruto and Sasuke had not yet reached Kakashi's level. It was not shown for nothing. IMO gaara is going to save the day once again. Maybe it will be against madara.

IMO Madara > Kisame=Two faces=Naruto=Gaara > Sasuke

Thanks


you don't know any of the kage jutsus and is declaring Gaara as the strongest?
he may be the strongest, but we are yet to see if thats true

[lvarella]

Erm i might have read some of ur comments wrong, but didnt we already know that madara was a former mizukage after his conversation with Kisame? So i think its safe to say that Madara was the mizukage who could control the bijuu.

I have a theory that the end battle might actually be Madara + naruto (controlled by Madara) Vs Danzou an Sasuke!

Do you really believe that Naruto will be the bad guy and Danzou and Sasuke the good guys at the end? Or you are saying that Madara is good?

[SenninSage]

Yondaime lost his memories after the kyubi incident and started to seek for power. Madara got killed during the KYubi incident and so Yondaime Hokage took his powers and eyes that would explain why tobi has yellow flash light-like jutsu. stupid theory i know but since ppl start thinking that tobi|=Madara thats my idea about it xD

It's crazy, but I honestly believe that to be a real possibility.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Nja forgot the part where Sai tells Sakura how much Naruto likes her and stuff like that which leads to sakura saying when she thinks about it she bursts out and cries.

[SenninSage]

Erm i might have read some of ur comments wrong, but didnt we already know that madara was a former mizukage after his conversation with Kisame? So i think its safe to say that Madara was the mizukage who could control the bijuu.

I have a theory that the end battle might actually be Madara + naruto (controlled by Madara) Vs Danzou an Sasuke!

Call me weird, but I have a strange feeling that tobi may end up being a Naruto ally.

[VASSiLi]

Hello everybody,

Many people know a lot more than me about Naruto. But I thought about something that was not yet said. Gaara is in the summit. And I believe that he is the strongest one in the summit.

The only ones that could be as strong as him are Danzou and Raikage.

Gaara was really strong with his bijuu. But now without his bijuu he is able to sleep. The fact that he was not able to sleep before was a huge handicap.

Gaara was always shown as a really strong ninja. When he lost to Deidara it was explained that the reason he lost was that he wanted to protect the village from the bombs. So at that point, gaara was already at the level of akatsuki while Naruto and Sasuke had not yet reached Kakashi's level. It was not shown for nothing. IMO gaara is going to save the day once again. Maybe it will be against madara.

IMO Madara > Kisame=Two faces=Naruto=Gaara > Sasuke

Thanks
We don't know nothing about the other Kages.. So i think is useless to say that Gaara is strongest in the summit.

[demons_halo]

I think the mizukage is the strongest =P (considering the minst ninjas abilities!)

[-Ren Boy-]

You have only seen 3 people for the mist and you are concluding they are strong people already

they could have some strong people but it would only be a few because those strong people spawned from the deadly chunnin exam AND killed off the over ninja's in progress

[ashher]

Epic failure on Tsunade's part. It's mind boggling that she not only knew that Danzou was looking to undermine her, but that he was also issuing orders that directly contradicted hers, and apparently she still felt no need to keep tabs on him. She's a ninja , for crying out loud.....or maybe she gets a pass like Sakura because her specialty is medicine.

Danzou's heading up this nebulous military organization with this vague mandate with apparently no accountability and the hokages just let him be. There had better be more this story.

But when it comes to financing these things, I doubt we can hold Danzou to the traditionally accepted standards. I'm sure he made plenty of money contracting out mercenaries, conducting assassinations, and destabilizing regions.
No,Tsunade kept Danzo under 24/7 surveillance after the suspicious acts of Sai in Sasuke retrieve arc,only during the time of attack by pain he was able to make his moves unwatched

Also about financing root anbu,hasn't it had been pretty clear that the shady business they deal with is considered essential by advisors(prolly duo to lingering memory of wars and betrayal,and after learning about akatsuki, they do seem to have a vaid point)Sodanzo always held formidable political powers to lobby for budget.I mean he manged to make Third allow his twisted plans about Uchiha,if he has enough influence to pull out something like this,he surely has enough to get his money.

[Jspot]

IIRC sasuke is already in the place, and Samui's team is prohibited from getting into the meeting

Since when was Sasuke already there? He was shown hiding outside when Zetsu pointed Danzou out to him. It is just as likely that Samui was allowed to wait around the same area; a lobby or sorts.

[gold349]

Call me weird, but I have a strange feeling that tobi may end up being a Naruto ally.

tobi is Madara how does that even make sense to become his ally?. Madara is akatsuki leader the kages, Danzou at least knows Madara is still alive...Akatsuki will be a joint task, its the village's/countries own failures that born it. I'm not against the idea the kage's deal with Akatsuki collectively, as allies or some unified group that are able enough to take on the task.

[narengan]

in addition, madara is responsible for the death of narutos father. why should he ally with him oO

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Also it says the 4th Mizukage's name is Yagura which was also the name of the 3 tails host.

[-Ren Boy-]

Security is tight. No one is allowed to be on a mission. The samurai wont hesitate to confront team taka as Team taka is not supposed to be on a mission.

Kishi will make it out that team Samui can't get in so if naruto wants to try and get in he has to do what Sasuke did and sneak in

[Saint Markus]

i'm just waiting to see how all this plays out. right now it's starting to get really confusing. bring killer bee back, yo.

[-Ren Boy-]

Did we ever see the three tail hosts head band?

[narengan]

Did we ever see the three tail hosts head band?

yes, it's from the mist

http://media.narutocentral.com/manga/naruto/420/01-02.png

[demons_halo]

yes, it's from the mist

http://media.narutocentral.com/manga/naruto/420/01-02.png

the 3 tails had no host? :S:S in both the manga and the anime, tobi captured him in that lake. they did not extract him from a host ^^

[narengan]

the 3 tails had no host? :S:S in both the manga and the anime, tobi captured him in that lake. they did not extract him from a host ^^

perhaps the former host

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Bleach spoiler guy posted a few stuff


People seem to think this person's spoiler is correct. Said he gave a correct summary last week

by id: GYq76wv70
四代目水影の名前はやぐら
3尾の人中力にそっくり左目の下から頬にかけて縫い跡
あと前にでてたか知らないけどガアラの前任の風影の顔もでてる（ガアラに似てるけど父親だったっけ？）
あと終わりにサクラとサイの会話

サイとサクラ
ナルトがサスケを売らなかったことを話し、サクラとナルトの約束がどんななのかは知らないけど、
ナルトが本当にサクラのことを好きなのは自分にもわかると言うとサクラが今までのことを思いだし泣き出す
さらにサイはナルトがサクラの約束をずっと背負っていて、一生背負う気でいるようだった、
ナルトとどういう約束をしたかは知らないけど、それはまるでボクがされてるのとものと同じ呪印のようだ、
ナルトを苦しめてるのはサスケだけど、サクラもなんじゃないのかい？と問うて終わり。


Basically it confirms what nja said, says the Yondaime Mizukage's name is Yagura (one Japanese commenter wonders if he's also the Sanbi jinchuuriki since that's supposed to be his name) , says the Sanbi jinchuuriki (they used incorrect spelling/kanji here) had some marking starting from underneath his left eye to his cheek, talks about a picture shown of a former Kazekage (presumably Gaara's dad), and that a Sai/Sakura talk happens after the Kage part (insert rolling eyes here). Sai talks about how he doesn't know what type of promise Naruto made to Sakura, but that she should already know how much he likes her. To which Sakura replies when she thinks about it she bursts out and cries. Sai says some more stuff designed to make Sakura think about it.

Anyway I'm not posting this in the spoiler thread, nor do I want it posted there since it's best to wait for Ohana, but just wanted to let you guys know what was going on in the Japanese board.

Forgot to mention even though it's insignificant, but the guy also said Gaara's dad (when they're talking about the Kazekage) looks exactly like Gaara.


[hr]
FINALLY OHANA POSTED!!!! :wtf

[richtoyz]

am i to understand that suna paid akatsuki to destroy konoha [ the attack of the 9-tail 16 years ago] has anyone else seen that???

[Therryaashan]

Also it says the 4th Mizukage's name is Yagura which was also the name of the 3 tails host.

where in manga does it say so??...

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Danzou tells everyone Madara is the leader of Akatsuki!

[The Closet Pervert]

*mouth falls to the floor*

Is that an all-out fight I see brewing there? All the guardians are brawling with each other or something?

*mouth still on the floor*

*starts drooling*

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

EPIC PAGE IS EPIC :wtf

http://i25.tinypic.com/futjm.jpg

[DarkKakashi]

BAD ASSSSSS PAGE......I smell a war brewing...

:D

[Destined_One]

Is that puppet Sasori? lol doesnt he have the same attachment coming from his hand? and the hair is similar too...

Also Gaara is so cool :wtf love his interaction with the Tschusikage.. and the Sanbi was the yondaime.. seems Hashirama, Madara are the only non jins who can control bijuu.. and Danzou outing Madara as the big cheese, things are getting interesting

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Sasori is back motherfuckers, but seems like Raikage has had enough and is about to start shit off.

Gaara is as badass as ever.

[The Closet Pervert]

Title of next chapter: "The Meeting Goes To Hell" :)

This makes things so much more exiting. I was really and honestly afraid the meeting would end in a boring "alliance of 5 villages" -kind of thing. This is much better outcome!

[THM Nindo]

Wow!!
Huge revelation!!

Yagura, the previous 3-tail host was the Yondaime Mizukage!!?! :blink
He was behind all the Blood mist thing, even if he looks that young!??! :blink

And, the page where everyone jump in his awesome!!!

And we can't just ignore the fact that Sai is actually talking to Sakura about the conversation he had with Naruto!!!

This is going to be one hell of a chapter!!! :D:D:D
[hr]

Sasori is back motherfuckers, but seems like Raikage has had enough and is about to start shit off.

Gaara is as badass as ever.

You know what...
It might bot be Sasori...

It might just be the new stuff that Kankorou was working on.
Remember, he said he just finished working on something!! :D

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Wow!!
Huge revelation!!

Yagura, the previous 3-tail host was the Yondaime Mizukage!!?! :blink
He was behind all the Blood mist thing, even if he looks that young!??! :blink

And, the page where everyone jump in his awesome!!!

And we can't just ignore the fact that Sai is actually talking to Sakura about the conversation he had with Naruto!!!

This is going to be one hell of a chapter!!! :D:D:D
<hr noshade size="1">


You know what...
It might bot be Sasori...

It might just be the new stuff that Kankorou was working on.
Remember, he said he just finished working on something!! :D

It's sasori, no point making an identical puppet, it is exactly like sasori so is sasori. :eyeroll

[shouryuujo]

i am kind interested in sai talking to sakura. I think sakura might finally like naruto now and we can end that debate soon....

[DarkKakashi]

It be cool if it was Sasori..

Also Gaara is just sitting there like whatever...CLASSIC..

F Sakura..I want to see Naruto get on with Hinata..

WTF, she almost died for his ass and he hasnt even talked to her??

[THM Nindo]

It's sasori, no point making an identical puppet, it is exactly like sasori so is sasori. :eyeroll

Okay, I agree.
It would make sense that it is Sasori :p

What the hell are the Swordman (forgot his name) swords?
They don't even look like swords... Are they still sheated, or what?

[shouryuujo]

It be cool if it was Sasori..

Also Gaara is just sitting there like whatever...CLASSIC..

he's got ultimate defense so no worries heh. But i think they are all overreacting. I hope it will delay the "supreme commander" talks

[Destined_One]

Okay, I agree.
It would make sense that it is Sasori :p

What the hell are the Swordman (forgot his name) swords?
They don't even look like swords... Are they still sheated, or what?

Looks like hes holding a giant wok wrapped in bandages lol.. and all the guards jumped, yet the Kages don't seem phased at all.. can't wait for the trans, seems Hiruzen is mentioned as well.. and if next weeks chap is called the summit goes to hell.. all I can say is WAAAAAAAARRR!!! bring the flee on rumor order for Naruto.. he will surpass his father, that if there is even a rumor of his presence in the same country run, hide and pray, (as he might try to convert u? j/k)

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Gaara: Keeping appearances... Honor... That is stupid ancient thinking

what a badass, and he just sits there like a pimp when the guards start fighting.

[Destined_One]

what a badass, and he just sits there like a pimp when the guards start fighting.

And the Mizukage tells old man Tschusikage to be quiet and let his badassness talk.. GaaraxMizukage

[Rotten The Wizard]

What a setoff!!!!

Kankuro Us a don Dadda for Using Sasori's body as a puppet!!(he was technically a puppet afterall)

I wonder what made the raikage lose his shit

[exacta]

This chapter looks epic.

Though I'm getting very tired of Sakura bursting out into tears....

[SenninSage]

Insane!!!!

Gaara is living up to his character and not disappointing at all.

He has that enlightened, new era thinking about him and is schooling the old guard.

[ameya730]

now thats what i call an awesome chapter i guess we have one more mystery on our hands namely what does it mean to control the bijuus in the truest sense

i dont think it really means being in sync with your bijuu cause then yugito would have been included in the list as well

[The Closet Pervert]

Holy sh*t...


Raikage: Konoha! Rock! Sand! Cloud! Akatsuki is made of missing-nins from you villages! And that's not all!! Your predecessor kages included, there are some among you who have made use of Akatsuki before!!
Gaara: Made use...?
Raikage: I cannot trust you all! I did not want to talk to you at all! But I came, and I called you here, to ask your word!!
Gaara: What do you mean, made use of Akatsuki!?
Raikage: They didn't tell you anything, even though you're the Kazekage? Ask the old-timers of your village! You used Akatsuki in previous battles!

Does this mean we will get a war? Pretty please? Please? :faint

That could cause some serious mistrust between the villages. Those kages have egos with sizes of the mountains. That suggestion of Konoha being "the supreme ruler"...that will the final thing needed for the whole place to explode.

[DarkKakashi]

that was a very fucking ignorant thing to say

I doubt he would say something like that to someone of color face to face..yet another show of how tough people on forums could be...

Anyway Raikage is on a ROID binge fueled rant!..and he is right..NO one has done shit but talk.

I like this guy.

[kkck]

Gaara rules, he called the old man an idiot!!!!! The kages are so disagreeable, sasuke should just amaterasued em all....

[patedecarne]

Wow, definitely the shit was thrown in the fan.

A war is just a matter of time, I think there's no more doubts about that.

And the matter of Akatsuki being used in the past by the villages, it just raised some questions about the true purpose of Akatsuki.

If anything, Madara is just another puppet, just like Pain.

Yeah, this is just the tip of the iceberg, cannot wait for more shocking revelations!

[shouryuujo]

is the previous spoiler about them talking about nominating a supreme commander wrong? From the script it hasn't showed up yet?

[The Closet Pervert]

is the previous spoiler about them talking about nominating a supreme commander wrong? From the script it hasn't showed up yet?

The script hasn't been fully translated yet.

[SenninSage]

Yet another example of the corrupt elder establishment types.

It seems the elders inside the Sand kept the fact that they used Akatsuki before a complete secret.

I'm really liking the direction that Kishi is taking this manga. There are so many interesting dynamics to the overall story. The Fourth Mizukage being a Jinchuuruki makes things so very interesting that I don't really know where to begin. Kankurou also appears to have Sasori!!!

[lawlord]

holy crap what an awesome chapter. God damn!

Ohana really didn't let on how cool this chapter was.

Look at freaking Gaara, I love that guy, sitting there like "zzzzz" when the room is in an uproar.

[dct21]

that one guys new puppet looks like sasori

[Jspot]

So, I think it makes a bit more sense now what Killerbee was stated to be able to control bijuu. I think that he was in control of HIS bijuu, and that likewise, the 4th Mizukage was definitely the Sanbi jinchuuriki, and that he could control HIS bijuu when he still had it... and that Madara was likely the only manipulating him.

If the manipulation was heavy enough, I can see why Kisame called him the former Mizukage, I suppose.

[kkck]

that one guys new puppet looks like sasori

I thought that was kankoru's first pupput but it would be interesting if it is a new one. How awesome would it be if kankuro actually took sasori's puppet body?

[Kabuto]

The big rock nin just wants to kill anyone. Danzo is all knowing but so to is the tushikage and raikage. Garra..... mad respect. Kankuro has claimed sasori. The 4th mizukage was the former sanbi. Alot of new doors have been opened so far in these 6 pages worth (im assuming) of spoilers more is prob on way.

[ameya730]

i dont thing there is going to be a war simply because barring raikage who is really pissed off right now the rest seem to be more like think first act later kind of people so i dont think anybody would like to start a war right now

having said that the one person capable of starting a war is conveniently sitting outside getting ready to assassinate the hokage the 5-10 chapters are sure to be really unpredictable

the next chapter's title the kage meeting goes to hell would probably imply the entrance of naruto at this point in the story naruto has become just too important a person not only to konoha but to the 5 countries he is going to be the link that binds them

[Gama]

Security is tight. No one is allowed to be on a mission. The samurai wont hesitate to confront team taka as Team taka is not supposed to be on a mission.

Kishi will make it out that team taka can't get in so if naruto wants to try and get in he has to do what Sasuke did and sneak in

I thought team taka was sasuke's team... :blink

oh... I think I get your point, the samurai will confront anyone since nobody is allowed to be in a mission, they wont care which country is team taka, they will act with the first premise in mind.

It's just that seemed that you were talking about naruto's team as the taka team.

[luffy_boy]

Holy shit kankuru has received an epic upgrade.... He now has an akatsuki member as ........ puppet..

[mangakey]

holy crap what an awesome chapter. God damn!

Ohana really didn't let on how cool this chapter was.

Look at freaking Gaara, I love that guy, sitting there like "zzzzz" when the room is in an uproar.

His techniques doesn't require movement. Hes probably gathering sand from underground, ready to put all those people in a sand coffin.

[Jspot]

His techniques doesn't require movement. Hes probably gathering sand from underground, ready to put all those people in a sand coffin.

As cool as it makes him look, I'll be greatly annoyed if Gaara is still useless without his sand.

[NNGirl]

Really nice spoilers, and with the pics they got better.
Kankuro with Sasori - amazing
Garaa in all his coolness
I like the Raikage moves
and the 4th mizukage was a Jinchuuruk (if madara was controlling him i fear for naruto)
and Danzou as supreme commander give me a chill

i think naruto will not be able to stop this just talking

[vintagemistakes]

Things are getting interesting... I kinda wish I didn't read any spoilers this week.

If Kankuro raided the cave where Chiyo/Sakura battled Sasori - he would have an insane amount of puppet parts to choose from. And, If indeed that puppet that Kankuro is wielding is Sasori... than I don't know if that would be just plain creepy or awesome.

Either way, it looks like a war could be brewing. The Tsuchikage seems to be a real jerk... but thats probably just due to short man's syndrome.

Anyways, the real interesting part of all this to me is that the Sanbi's Jinchuuriki was Mizukage. I sense a ton of crack theories rising up from this. The last time we saw the Sanbi - he had no host... so I wonder if Madaras first attempt at extracting a bijuu was with him. Obviously he failed so that could be what caused him to team up with Pain/Nagato and have him create a jutsu to extract and contain the bijuu...

[Gats]

Danzou saying almost nothing, he is just waiting for the right moment to act, like always. Muahaha !
I like Garaa answers :)

edit : Sakura crying again ?!

[Csdabest]

This chapter is beyond win

[-Ren Boy-]

Sorry I mean Samui's team lool.

[KiSwordsman]

So the three tails Jinchuriki was the forth. Interesting
[hr]

Holy shit kankuru has received an epic upgrade.... He now has an akatsuki member as ........ puppet..

that wold be funny/disappointing if it was Sasori

[Gats]

Things are getting interesting... I kinda wish I didn't read any spoilers this week.

If Kankuro raided the cave where Chiyo/Sakura battled Sasori - he would have an insane amount of puppet parts to choose from. And, If indeed that puppet that Kankuro is wielding is Sasori... than I don't know if that would be just plain creepy or awesome.

I'm quite sure it's Sasori puppet body. That's awesome for me, but I don't think that he also took the Sasori's core flesh, all of his element jutsu come from scrolls :)


Either way, it looks like a war could be brewing. The Tsuchikage seems to be a real jerk... but thats probably just due to short man's syndrome.

I don't think there will be a war, every kages know that there is a big threat called Akatsuki, this is not the time to attack each others, and they would gain nothing from it.


Anyways, the real interesting part of all this to me is that the Sanbi's Jinchuuriki was Mizukage. I sense a tone of crack theories rising up from this. The last time we saw the Sanbi - he had no host... so I wonder if Madaras first attempt at extracting a bijuu was with him. Obviously he failed so that could be what caused him to team up with Pain/Nagato and have him create a jutsu to extract and contain the bijuu...

This is the most logical theory.

[SenninSage]

Yea.. the 3 tail had no host at all. It would really be funny if Madara attempted to extract the 3 tail and simply failed.

Nagato's ability to use any jutsu he desired would be appropriate for creating a necessary jutsu to do exactly that.

[KiSwordsman]

But If that puppet is Sasori, Kankarou has moved up on my favorite character list

[THM Nindo]

Wow, this chapter is soooo good!!

All power to Danzou, Naruto being the core of the alliance, Sakura "realizing" something.

Awesome chapter! Total epicness!!

[Gats]

WaoW ! Danzou finally tells the kages about Madara and Akatsuki, Sai's work was not for nothing after all. But maybe Danzo knew before this.

[Zibi234]

Well Sakura is so dull.... she never cared for naruto and now she crys becouse of her promise naruto is suffering.... Sai is a stupid bastard too... eh butts into others people's lifes adn their feelings.... if naruto doesnt wanted to confess than he doesnt wanted to confes.... if sakura didnt wanted to think of haveing feelings for naruto than she shouldt bother about this now... after all those years she realizes things after haveing other person tell her >__< and she was supposed to be smart...

But I would be glad if Naruto rejected sakura now :P (like sakura did for all those years towards narutos)... Naruto has to give an answer to hinata before that.... or does Kishi want to plan a tringle.... Hinata -> Naruto <- sakura.... similar like in bleach with that orohime and rukia...

But anwyay Sai with this "Narutoi likes you..." made lose some points in my view.... talk abouit the promise ok but not that naruto likes sakura its cruel to talk about this behind narutos back... and its like foreceing sakura to think about naruto more.... (if she wasnt thinking about him than why bother.... she loves sasuke she allways loved him...)


But the correct guideing Naruto is the key pisses me off somehow.... its like foreceing others ideals on naruto who has his own ideals and way of tihnking.... he wont agree to be seen as a weapon to deal with problems by force.... I kinda hope that naruto will jump into the meeting and say that he wont listen to Danzou since he doenst recognize him as hokage... :P:P naruto would tell his ideals and make people rethink

I wonder how Garra will react to know how much burden they want to place on naruto now...... and with this danzou will restrict naruto from leaving the village for sure.... like he is the important final weapon if something happens....

From this meeting Mizukage doesnt say much the worst are rock kage and raikage.... both old geezers with old fashioned ideals.... they yell and "huh?" a lot..... I guess Raikage throught that he will be asigned with the "leader" duty..... adn use that to save killerbee.....

guhh but Danzou should at least say that this info comes from naruto and not from himself... like he is showing himself in pure light of knowing everything.... yet it come from naruto (adn his dad)....

[Gama]

Sorry I mean Samui's team lool.

:D then I suppose I didn't get you at all.
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OMG... this is not the spoiler thread sorry. :facepalm

[Darth Executor]

So, if that kid was the 4th mizukage maybe madara was the 3rd. But he looked like a mere anbu when Itachi saw him. I hope kishi makes sense of this timeline.

[Rody naruto]

So the three tails Jinchuriki was the forth. Interesting
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that wold be funny/disappointing if it was Sasori

why would that be disappointing?

[vintagemistakes]

I don't think there will be a war, every kages know that there is a big threat called Akatsuki, this is not the time to attack each others, and they would gain nothing from it.

The five countries don't have to fight one another for there to be a war. There are plenty of other smaller countries/villages out there that might be loyal manipulated by Madara.

Not to mention, the spoilers make it sound like Akatsuki isn't just 9 missing nins... but that there could possibly be more of them. Not necessarily S-class shinobi like the nine of them mind you, but random fodder shinobi. IIRC, when Pain told Hidan about Akatsukis goals, he mentioned that they needed a large amount of money to hire shinobi and be the worlds premiere militia. This seems to be in line with what we are being told here and could possibly be part Madaras "eye of the moon plan" or whatever it was called.

[-Ren Boy-]

ok what I was trying to say is. That Kishi is setting something by denying team samui from going into the meeting which will set up naruto's sneaky mission to get into the summit

[SenninSage]

Wow, Danzou brought up Uchiha Madara as the possible leader of Akatsuki! :D

The Raikage's methods may be a bit rash, but boy does he ever know what the hell he is talking about. What he is saying are things that need to be said and any logical person would be suspicious of all that has gone on.

Things are becoming so incredibly interesting. All that's truly required to help bring this thing full circle is a way to somehow work in a major fight with a Byakugan user later. I'm also now extremely excited to see Kankurou fight because what he has is clearly Sasori of the Red Sands!

In all of this excitement, I actually forgot that Sasuke and his team are inside the meeting area. Surely Sasuke would have to be suicidal to try anything against right now when it seems a major fight could begin any moment.

[Gats]

Mifune: Now, only Konoha has a Jinchuuriki... The way he's guided is the key... So how about giving the supreme command of the alliance to the Hokage?

Here we come. A new role for Naruto. Will Naruto be the new Alliance's dog ? Or he will be able to put his conditions (sasuke).

Can't wait the next chapter, if Raikage will hear it's Naruto....big emotion !

[Gama]

this whole sanbi=yondaime mizukage thing really confuses me.

If tobi really was a mizukage as Kizame claimed, then he had to be one of the prior three... because making him also a jinchuuriki is too much.

But the fifth mizukage mentions something about the yondaime mizukage being manipulated, and maybe is here where tobi fits in, but then why kizame called him "mizukage-sama"? maybe tobi isn't madara after all...

man, I'm really confused here.

[jodi]

yes, this is not spoiler thread so please don't talk about it here
I don't see spoilers anymore \o/

[Gats]

The five countries don't have to fight one another for there to be a war. There are plenty of other smaller countries/villages out there that might be loyal to Madara.

Not to mention, the spoilers make it sound like Akatsuki isn't just 9 missing nins... but that there could possibly be more of them. Not necessarily S-class shinobi like the nine of them mind you, but random fodder shinobi. IIRC, when Pain told Hidan about Akatsukis goals, he mentioned that they needed a large amount of money to hire shinobi and be the worlds premiere militia. This seems to be in line with what we are being told here and could possibly be part Madaras "eye of the moon plan" or whatever it was called.

Ok I thought you were talking only about the five countries. I don't know if smaller villages will have the guts to challenge the big five, even with Akatsuki. Maybe Akatsuki big argument would be the big bijuu weapon, with this every country can challenge the power of the alliance of five countries, but it seems it can't be used without every bijuu, MAYBE.

Maybe Madara knew that there would be an Alliance against him under the command of the Hokage, that's why he pushed Sasuke towards danzou, cut the head and let's chaos prevail or something like that.

[THM Nindo]

this whole sanbi=yondaime mizukage thing really confuses me.

If tobi really was a mizukage as Kizame claimed, then he had to be one of the prior three... because making him also a jinchuuriki is too much.

But the fifth mizukage mentions something about the yondaime mizukage being manipulated, and maybe is here where tobi fits in, but then why kizame called him "mizukage-sama"? maybe tobi isn't madara after all...

man, I'm really confused here.


You want to get even more confused?
Yagura, the 3-tails Jinchuriki was the 4th Mizukage, now that's a fact.

He has a huge scar on his left eye.
Tobi has only shown his right eye.

... Coincidence!? :blink
Maybe, Tobi is actually Yagura!
Or... Madara is Yagura! :tem:tem

I can't wait to see all the new theories that will come out of this new info! :P

[sarutobi_sensei]

Disagreements on the table, Kankuro's new puppet looks like Sasori, Temari still has her big fan and the 4th Mizukage was actually a Jinchuuriki x)

This is some great stuff!

[Gats]

If the Hokage will be the supreme commander, Danzou will win the jounin's vote, but we know that something will happen before this.

[Darth Executor]

If the Hokage will be the supreme commander, Danzou will win the jounin's vote, but we know that something will happen before this.

Sasuke kills him, making Naruto's job of getting him a pardon from the rest of the alliance a thousand times harder.

[Wilco]

Damn, I know why I'm GAARA FAN the guy is just BADASS!!!!! That chapter looks great, although there are lots of things I still don't understand what the Raikage meant by the other Kage or some Kage used Akatsuki??? Could somone explained that to me please??? Also Danzou is too quiet the way he sits there just listening the guy is not right!!!

[THM Nindo]

Sakura should tell Naruto to stop.
I mean... she knows that it's hopeless now.

Sasuke is in Akatsuki, his job is to get Jinchuriki (Naruto included), to conquer the world with bad guys.

If she would tell Naruto to let it go, he might actually stop his foolish quest and take upon him to kill Sasuke, instead of bringing him back.
That's something I'd like to see!!

[KiSwordsman]

why would that be disappointing?

because of the fact that Sasori was an awesome character in his own right, and Kankuro would become awesome only because he'd have sasori's puppet body in his possession. That's my veiw on it anyway.

[yaminaruto]

i think tobi may be able to change his face, which is why kisame recognized him as a former mizukage,

[Mircus]

Wait, what? Where does it says Yagura's a Jinchuuriki? From what I read it's: Danzou: In the first place, the only people who could ever control bijuus in the true sense were Uchiha Madara and the first Hokage, Hashirama... And the fourth Mizukage, Yagura ...There was also the brother of the Raikage, Killer Bee, but...

The bold/underline is a sentence on it's own. If it was "There was the fourth Mizukage, Yagura and brother of Raikage, Killer Bee, but..." I would have consider Yagura a Jinchuuriki if it was written like that.

[nianiote]

Who is the 4th Akatsuki guy (4th from the right) on the picture ? Orochimaru ?

http://i30.tinypic.com/15qydr7.jpg

[Darth Executor]

Wait, what? Where does it says Yagura's a Jinchuuriki? From what I read it's: Danzou: In the first place, the only people who could ever control bijuus in the true sense were Uchiha Madara and the first Hokage, Hashirama... And the fourth Mizukage, Yagura ...There was also the brother of the Raikage, Killer Bee, but...

The bold/underline is a sentence on it's own. If it was "There was the fourth Mizukage, Yagura and brother of Raikage, Killer Bee, but..." I would have consider Yagura a Jinchuuriki if it was written like that.

Yagura's a jinchuuriki. Kishi has shown him on the page with the jinchuuriki and in the artbook. This isn't new information.

[THM Nindo]

Wait, what? Where does it says Yagura's a Jinchuuriki? From what I read it's: Danzou: In the first place, the only people who could ever control bijuus in the true sense were Uchiha Madara and the first Hokage, Hashirama... And the fourth Mizukage, Yagura ...There was also the brother of the Raikage, Killer Bee, but...

The bold/underline is a sentence on it's own. If it was "There was the fourth Mizukage, Yagura and brother of Raikage, Killer Bee, but..." I would have consider Yagura a Jinchuuriki if it was written like that.

I'm not sure what you mean, but Yagura is the Yondaime Mizukage (as stated in this chapter) and the previous host for the 3-tails (as stated in the Art book that came out this month).

[Darth Executor]

Who is the 4th Akatsuki guy (4th from the right) on the picture ? Orochimaru ?



Most likely, yeah.

[THM Nindo]

Who is the 4th Akatsuki guy (4th from the right) on the picture ? Orochimaru ?

http://i30.tinypic.com/15qydr7.jpg

Yeah, you can see the snakes around him.

To be even more precise, I would say it's the following (from left to right) :
Kakuzu, Deidera, Itachi, Kisame, Konan, Pain, Sasori, Orochimaru, Zetsu, Tobi, Hidan.

[Cykai]

[QUOTE=TheHomeMade Nindo;1485918]
Sakura "realizing" something.

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yeash!


cant wait to see some action tho... maybe sasuke will be like.... "...fuck this if i try anything i'll get own" and leave.

[Gama]

Wait, what? Where does it says Yagura's a Jinchuuriki? From what I read it's: Danzou: In the first place, the only people who could ever control bijuus in the true sense were Uchiha Madara and the first Hokage, Hashirama... And the fourth Mizukage, Yagura ...There was also the brother of the Raikage, Killer Bee, but...

The bold/underline is a sentence on it's own. If it was "There was the fourth Mizukage, Yagura and brother of Raikage, Killer Bee, but..." I would have consider Yagura a Jinchuuriki if it was written like that.

It's because of the picture they show of Yagura, is the same guy that showed in the 9 jinchuurikis cover as the sanbi. They didn't need to say it.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Yagura is the Jinchuuriki for the Sanbi, actually the former Jinchuuriki for the Sanbi.

[Therryaashan]

Who is the 4th Akatsuki guy (4th from the right) on the picture ? Orochimaru ?

http://i30.tinypic.com/15qydr7.jpg

yea it pretty much looks like orochimaru...the numbers shown are 11 and considering tht they are depicted in pairs, its most likely the person u pointed out must be orochimaru since he was the older partner of sasori..

[videogamer64]

I don't think Naruto is gonna be the alliance's dog. In fact if Gaara weren't Kazekage I'd expect Naruto to be caged up in the village.

[nianiote]

Yeah, you can see the snakes around him.

To be even more precise, I would say it's the following (from left to right) :
Kakuzu, Deidera, Itachi, Kisame, Konan, Pain, Sasori, Orochimaru, Zetsu, Tobi, Hidan.

OK. I'd change Kakuzu with Tobi though.

[Gama]

OK. I'd change Kakuzu with Tobi though.

Ditto, since Tobi was partner with deidara. And Kakuzu was Hidan's partner.

[Mircus]

Yagura's a jinchuuriki. Kishi has shown him on the page with the jinchuuriki and in the artbook. This isn't new information.

I smell plot-hole then. That, or the 4th Mizukage turned into it's bijuu. Which doesn't make sense since Danzou stated Madara, Hirashima and Yagura can control bijuus. That being said Yagura shouldn't had turn into his bijuu, or why would it says the Sanbi didn't have a host?

[bighawke5]

hmmm...wtf is sai's business in naruto and sakura's relationship? is he trying to make her love him or something? naruto dont need that right now, she should stay in love wit sasuke cuz all she's done is hurt naruto's feelings....plus what does he think she'll do? help him? how? she's only gonna get him beat up in battles...

anyhow looks like raikage's stubborn, the guy blames ppl and points fingers like nobody else and SEEMS TO FORGET WHAT HIS OWN VILLAGE HAD DONE TO KONOHA IN THE PAST!...hypocrite....

the small kage guy (one that looks like senin mode jiraiya) is the annoying type...he's the type that strikes low blows...

anyways cant wait for chapter

[THM Nindo]

OK. I'd change Kakuzu with Tobi though.

Well, Kakuzu was a lot taller than everyone else...
So, I picked the taller and said it was Kakuzu.

But, I guess you could be right :D

[Gats]

Sakura should tell Naruto to stop.
I mean... she knows that it's hopeless now.

Sasuke is in Akatsuki, his job is to get Jinchuriki (Naruto included), to conquer the world with bad guys.

If she would tell Naruto to let it go, he might actually stop his foolish quest and take upon him to kill Sasuke, instead of bringing him back.
That's something I'd like to see!!

Sasuke does not consider himself as a part of Akatsuki, his job was to get one Jinchuriki, now he doesn't care at all even if he failed with Killerbee, he's just Madara's puppet now. But if you say it with Sakura/villages point of view, ok.

It's possible to see her requesting Naruto to stop, but I don't really think it would stop Naruto now. Kill sasuke even less. (and he told Itachi that he we'll protect Konoha without hurting Sasuke so...)

[Darth Executor]

I smell plot-hole then. That, or the 4th Mizukage turned into it's bijuu. Which doesn't make sense since Danzou stated Madara, Hirashima and Yagura can control bijuus.

And killerbee. Killerbee still is a jinchuuriki. Just because you can control your bijuu doesn't mean you can't turn into one if you're the jinchuuriki.



That being said Yagura shouldn't had turn into his bijuu, or why would it says the Sanbi didn't have a host?

How is that a plot hole? Yagura was probably dead by that point and the bijuu could've escaped after a failed extraction and re-implantation into a new host.

[Frostal]

OK so either we just got one quantum leap closer to Narusaku or we just got one step further away, it's too hard to tell =)
And where is Naruto at the moment? I want those Omoi and Samui to witness his awesomeness when it happens.

Interesting to hear that besides the first and Madara others are able to control the biyuu.

One important thing tho, is Killerbee in that list because his just listeren/cooperates with him or can he literally(even if it doesn't want to) make it do whatever he wants.
I'm thinking the first option
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Well Sakura is so dull.... she never cared for naruto and now she crys becouse of her promise naruto is suffering.... Sai is a stupid bastard too... eh butts into others people's lifes adn their feelings.... if naruto doesnt wanted to confess than he doesnt wanted to confes.... if sakura didnt wanted to think of haveing feelings for naruto than she shouldt bother about this now... after all those years she realizes things after haveing other person tell her >__< and she was supposed to be smart...

But I would be glad if Naruto rejected sakura now :P (like sakura did for all those years towards narutos)... Naruto has to give an answer to hinata before that.... or does Kishi want to plan a tringle.... Hinata -> Naruto <- sakura.... similar like in bleach with that orohime and rukia...

But anwyay Sai with this "Narutoi likes you..." made lose some points in my view.... talk abouit the promise ok but not that naruto likes sakura its cruel to talk about this behind narutos back... and its like foreceing sakura to think about naruto more.... (if she wasnt thinking about him than why bother.... she loves sasuke she allways loved him...)


But the correct guideing Naruto is the key pisses me off somehow.... its like foreceing others ideals on naruto who has his own ideals and way of tihnking.... he wont agree to be seen as a weapon to deal with problems by force.... I kinda hope that naruto will jump into the meeting and say that he wont listen to Danzou since he doenst recognize him as hokage... :P:P naruto would tell his ideals and make people rethink

I wonder how Garra will react to know how much burden they want to place on naruto now...... and with this danzou will restrict naruto from leaving the village for sure.... like he is the important final weapon if something happens....

From this meeting Mizukage doesnt say much the worst are rock kage and raikage.... both old geezers with old fashioned ideals.... they yell and "huh?" a lot..... I guess Raikage throught that he will be asigned with the "leader" duty..... adn use that to save killerbee.....

guhh but Danzou should at least say that this info comes from naruto and not from himself... like he is showing himself in pure light of knowing everything.... yet it come from naruto (adn his dad)....

Spoken like a true Naruhina supporter:p
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I thought that was kankoru's first pupput but it would be interesting if it is a new one. How awesome would it be if kankuro actually took sasori's puppet body?

99.99% it's sasori. The hair, the posture, the barels in his handpalms through which he blasted flames,etc.

[Mircus]

And killerbee. Killerbee still is a jinchuuriki. Just because you can control your bijuu doesn't mean you can't turn into one if you're the jinchuuriki.


How is that a plot hole? Yagura was probably dead by that point and the bijuu could've escaped after a failed extraction and re-implantation into a new host.

Then I'm to assume he volunteered/forced to have his bijuu extracted? I guess that question will have to wait then, it's far off-topic.

[DARK]

Sasuke does not consider himself as a part of Akatsuki, his job was to get one Jinchuriki, now he doesn't care at all even if he failed with Killerbee, he's just Madara's puppet now. But if you say it with Sakura/villages point of view, ok.

It's possible to see her requesting Naruto to stop, but I don't really think it would stop Naruto now. Kill sasuke even less. (and he told Itachi that he we'll protect Konoha without hurting Sasuke so...)

Sasuke just wants to kill the people in Konoha.

[Gama]

And killerbee. Killerbee still is a jinchuuriki. Just because you can control your bijuu doesn't mean you can't turn into one if you're the jinchuuriki.


but what about the nibi jinchuuriki?, she could turn into her bijuu at will as hidan said, I wonder why they are not mentioning her then.
Or maybe danzou has to explain exactly what does he men by saying "being able to control them", is he refering to any bijuu? or only the one they're host? madara could control any bijuu or only the kyuubi? the same goes to hashirama...

with so many people capable to control the bijuu I'm starting to feel sorry for Minato :s

[nianiote]

OK so either we just got one quantum leap closer to Narusaku or we just got one step further away, it's too hard to tell =)
And where is Naruto at the moment? I want those Omoi and Samui to witness his awesomeness when it happens.

Interesting to hear that besides the first and Madara others are able to control the biyuu.

One important thing tho, is Killerbee in that list because his just listeren/cooperates with him or can he literally(even if it doesn't want to) make it do whatever he wants.
I'm thinking the first option
The second option fits better with the notion of "control bijuus in the true sense".

[Kouzen]

Anyways, the real interesting part of all this to me is that the Sanbi's Jinchuuriki was Mizukage. I sense a ton of crack theories rising up from this. The last time we saw the Sanbi - he had no host... so I wonder if Madaras first attempt at extracting a bijuu was with him. Obviously he failed so that could be what caused him to team up with Pain/Nagato and have him create a jutsu to extract and contain the bijuu...

Good point there. And Tobi was assigned to capture Sanbi so i think it's all fit. Kinda like he want his pet back

[DARK]

Good point there. And Tobi was assigned to capture Sanbi so i think it's all fit. Kinda like he want his pet back

Yes, but as of now, we still do not know how the Three Tails went from having a Jinchuriki as Mizukage to residing in some lake somewhere.

[SenninSage]

but what about the nibi jinchuuriki?, she could turn into her bijuu at will as hidan said, I wonder why they are not mentioning her then.
Or maybe danzou has to explain exactly what does he men by saying "being able to control them", is he refering to any bijuu? or only the one they're host? madara could control any bijuu or only the kyuubi? the same goes to hashirama...

with so many people capable to control the bijuu I'm starting to feel sorry for Minato :s

Turning into her bijuu doesn't mean she could control it. It probably just means that she was desperate so she completely surrendered herself to the beast.

Naruto, even with no control at all, can do the same.

[DARK]

Turning into her bijuu doesn't mean she could control it. It probably just means that she was desperate so she completely surrendered herself to the beast.

Naruto, even with no control at all, can do the same.

The only Jinchuriki known to have been able to control his Tailed Beast was Killer Bee. The other Jinchuriki had some straining relationships with their beasts.
Besides, Yugito just transformed into a smaller version of the Tailed Beast during the battle against Hidan.

[Darth Executor]

I'd like to note that my Frankentobi theory explains why yagura and not madara is the 4th mizukage quite nicely.
[hr]

Turning into her bijuu doesn't mean she could control it. It probably just means that she was desperate so she completely surrendered herself to the beast.

Naruto, even with no control at all, can do the same.

Databook said she could control it. Although danzou said "absolute control" according to the spoilers so her control probably wasn't perfect.

[Gama]

The only Jinchuriki known to have been able to control his Tailed Beast was Killer Bee. The other Jinchuriki had some straining relationships with their beasts.
Besides, Yugito just transformed into a smaller version of the Tailed Beast during the battle against Hidan.
could you tell me where is stated that all the other had this straininf relationships? smaller version? who said it were a bigger version? she released all the two tails.

And she did it at will, Naruto never have been capable to fully release at will, it's not the same thing. If I understand, you're saying that she surrendered herself to the nibi knowing that she would never comeback to be herself? I don't think so.

[Arrogance]

Man I'm really liking Gaara's speech right now. Its basically saying F*ck You to the other kages for not taking any action. I love it :D. Then he ends up paying some homage to Tsunade and that must be pissing off Danzou deep down :p. Things aren't all happy go lucky at this meeting and there is a nice clashing of personalities that is making this work so well, can't wait for the rest of it :D.

[Alexis]

Hmm, so I wonder if Hinata die soon? Because there's no such thing as unhappy love or a love triangle in most stories like this. Either one party is evil, or someone dies.

That the Three Tails Jinchuuriki was the fourth Mizukage came as a big surprise though. I expected it to be Madara. Kisame recognized his face, so I'm assuming he was one of the previous Mizukage's then. And now I'm really not sure which Mizukage Zabuza tried to assassinate. Perhaps it's irrelevant to the story after all.

And wow, if Kankurou's puppet really is Sasori, he's gotten a serious upgrade. And much needed. As the "only" constant puppet wielder in the series, you'd expect him to be in a class of his own. But he really has failed to impress so far.


Anyways, the real interesting part of all this to me is that the Sanbi's Jinchuuriki was Mizukage. I sense a ton of crack theories rising up from this. The last time we saw the Sanbi - he had no host... so I wonder if Madaras first attempt at extracting a bijuu was with him. Obviously he failed so that could be what caused him to team up with Pain/Nagato and have him create a jutsu to extract and contain the bijuu...
Yeah, I'm wondering about this as well. The whole Mizukage-Madara relationship seems to have become a lot more complicated with this chapter. Since Yagura is always portrayed as very young, I assume he died young as well. Quite possibly due to a bijuu extraction.


So, if that kid was the 4th mizukage maybe madara was the 3rd. But he looked like a mere anbu when Itachi saw him. I hope kishi makes sense of this timeline.
You mean this?

http://a.imagehost.org/0641/Madara.png

Well he did have a mask on, but the rest doesn't look much like ANBU attire. It's possible he just wore a mask for concealment, like he does now.

[Darth Executor]

The only Jinchuriki known to have been able to control his Tailed Beast was Killer Bee. The other Jinchuriki had some straining relationships with their beasts.

Yagura could too according to the latest spoilers.
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You mean this?

http://a.imagehost.org/0641/Madara.png

Well he did have a mask on, but the rest doesn't look much like ANBU attire. It's possible he just wore a mask for concealment, like he does now.

I mean this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/08/

It's an Anbu mask.

He doesn't look like a konoha anbu, but neither did haku:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/16/03-04/

[Alexis]

Yagura could too according to the latest spoilers.
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I mean this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/08/

It's an Anbu mask.

He doesn't look like a konoha anbu, but neither did haku:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/16/03-04/

That's the mask I was referring to, yeah. And Haku had left the Mist village, so him wearing that mask didn't seem to reflect his position in the village. I think it may be the same with Madara.

[Sunburn74]

hey is the 4th mizukage one of the previous jinchuurikis? he looks like that guy in the jinchuuriki spread

edit: yeah he is

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8586/jinchuuriki.jpg

Holy crap. So how can madara be tobi and the 4th mizukage? and how did he get separated from his bijuu and live?

[Alexis]

hey is the 4th mizukage one of the previous jinchuurikis? he looks like that guy in the jinchuuriki spread
Yes, that's him.

http://a.imagehost.org/0341/Yagura.jpg

[Therryaashan]

with so many people capable to control the bijuu I'm starting to feel sorry for Minato :s

well need not be sorry coz, apart from fighting the bijuu he had his hands full to even handle Madara at the same time, which definitely needs some credit...

[Sunburn74]

so i guess that kills the whole madara is tobi is the 4th mizukage thing.

[Jspot]

Well damn, if Yagura is the reason that the Mist was called the "Bloody Mist", I think we've finally encountered the story of an evil jinchuuriki.

[Gama]

so i guess that kills the whole madara is tobi is the 4th mizukage thing.

man, you need to catch up with the last posts.

[THM Nindo]

so i guess that kills the whole madara is tobi is the 4th mizukage thing.

Well, it only means that Madara is Tobi who is the 3rd Mizukage (or the 1st, or the 2nd)

[vintagemistakes]

Simple explanation on why Yugito wasn't mentioned.... she kept her level of control a secret from Raikage. Based on what Kirabi has said in the past, it seems like being a Jinchuuriki in Kumo isn't that great.. so maybe she kept her abilities a secret... or something...:notrust

Anyways... this Kage Summit is already living up to my expectations. Usually when I get excited about something, it takes forever for that moment or situation to appear in the manga and when it does - I had my fill and just want it to be over, but with this(thankfully), its not the case.

[Sunburn74]

if madara is a mizukage, he'd have ot be the third or earlier. quite frankly, i think thats a bit much to believe. that he lost to the 1st hokage and within 10 or 20 years was the leader of the water village without the first hokage who was the stronger ninja knowing about it.

remember how the 3rd hokage instantly knew something was up with the kazekage when oro tried to impersonate him?

[Natoma]

Well, it only means that Madara is Tobi who is the 3rd Mizukage (or the 1st, or the 2nd)

Most likely the 3rd because Kisame recognized him as Mizukage. Given how young the 4th Mizukage looked and it seems that he had to have been around the time when Zabuza and Kakashi were kids (Minato's reign for all intents and purposes), he probably only ruled for a decade or so.

If Kisame is in his 40s now that would be a good timeline for the 3rd to be Madara. I estimate 40s since he seemed to be older than Zabuza by several years, and Zabuza and Kakashi should've both been in their early 30s by the start of part 1.

That said the 4th Mizukage was the host and could've had his Bijuu extracted which would have killed him. Or he could've died and the Bijuu been freed in the process where it lay in the lake until being captured by Deidara and Madara.

[Darth Executor]

so i guess that kills the whole madara is tobi is the 4th mizukage thing.

Not with my theory. Which states Madara could've taken the 4th mizukage's head and masqueraded as him.

[1TrueSensei]

For some reason, I really like that panel with the Akatsuki silhouettes. Akatsuki means, "Red Dawn", and there go all the AK members, standing in front of a rising sun. It has a somewhat ominous feel to it, despite the fact that you can't see a single one of their faces. Just one of those little moments that makes me like Kishi's work more.

[vejita_sempai]

Holy crap. So how can madara be tobi and the 4th mizukage? and how did he get separated from his bijuu and live?

kisame called tobi "former mizukage / madara"
.... but the 1st the 2nd and the 3rd mizukage are former mizukage too...

[1TrueSensei]

Um...isn't it just more likely that Madara was the Sandaime Mizukage? We've seen how fast a village can go through Kages when shit starts happening (two in three years for Suna, three in almost four years for Konoha), so it's not that far of a stretch.

[Sunburn74]

in my mind, there is just no way in hell madara could be the leader of a rival village without konoha knowing. i mean look how quickly they found out he was the leader of a much more clandestine faction.

[Gama]

Simple explanation on why Yugito wasn't mentioned.... she kept her level of control a secret from Raikage. Based on what Kirabi has said in the past, it seems like being a Jinchuuriki in Kumo isn't that great.. so maybe she kept her abilities a secret... or something...:notrust


But then this means that there could be even more unmentioned jinchuurikis (and non-jinchuurikis like hashirama or madara) who were able to control the bijuu.
I hope kishimoto wont get us more surprises about this topic like the danzou's sharingan, suddenly anybody with the eye covered could have the sharingan, please don't tell me that anybody could be suspicious of being able to control a bijuu too.

[Natoma]

in my mind, there is just no way in hell madara could be the leader of a rival village without konoha knowing. i mean look how quickly they found out he was the leader of a much more clandestine faction.

They only found out because Naruto was told by his father that "Tobi" was behind the Kyuubi attack.

Kakashi put two and two together regarding it being Madara since "Tobi" had the Sharingan.

Then Sai relays the information to Danzo via the ink bird. This revelation happened only in the past few hours in the manga timeline.

[Gama]

oh! oh! another thing... as far as I understand, Hashirama wasn't able to control the Kyuubi but restrain him, isn't right?