Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[Ryodraco]

Sasuke apparently wasn't fully healed from his fight with Itachi, but I'll be honest in saying that at no point during Sasuke's fight with Killer Bee did I notice any sign of his being injured or not being at 100%. The only signs that came were the moments in which Killer Bee landed his attacks on Sasuke.
I'm not saying it was apparent either, but the fact that Kishimoto had Juugo take notice of it was obviously done for a reason, that reason being that Sasuke was likely not at his best in that fight when it came to strength, speed and reaction time.

[DARK]

I'm not saying it was apparent either, but the fact that Kishimoto had Juugo take notice of it was obviously done for a reason, that reason being that Sasuke was likely not at his best in that fight when it came to strength, speed and reaction time.

Would it really have made a difference if Sasuke was at full strength against Killer Bee? KB still had that sickass 7-handed sword technique and effortedly defeated Juugo and Suigetsu (who weren't fighting at all).

[dagger31]

so sasuke is really going to the dark side or its been manipulating by someone???

:s i think is the second option :S (hope so....)

[Weapon_X]

Sasuke should use his sword more often.

He has used his sword most of the time in every fight that he had in Part 2. Against Naruto and Co, he used his sword. Against Deidara, he used his sword. I can't remember if he used it against Itachi though...but he used it against Bee to retrive Suigetsu's sword and other stuff. Sasuke is quiet the swordsman. :tem


so sasuke is really going to the dark side or its been manipulating by someone???

:s i think is the second option :S (hope so....)

It could be both. I want to believe the second option as well, it just seems weird for Sasuke to change his mind so quick. Even Suigetsu was surprised...

[SenninSage]

It did seem to me that Sasuke was a more dangerous shinobi when he had Orochimaru inside of him along with the cursed seal.

He had truly unbelievable versatility. He has that without Orochimaru and the cursed seal, but we can't deny Sasuke used those snake jutsu pretty impressively.

[DARK]

so sasuke is really going to the dark side or its been manipulating by someone???

:s i think is the second option :S (hope so....)

Most likely manipulation. Sasuke wasn't as cruel as he was until he met Madara anyway.

[zerocooldx]

so sasuke is really going to the dark side or its been manipulating by someone???

:s i think is the second option :S (hope so....)

So whos "manipulating " Sasuke? Danzo from inside his room? Madara from where ever Naruto is? Or could it be that Sasuke is just doing what he set out to do.

[SenninSage]

I'm not saying it was apparent either, but the fact that Kishimoto had Juugo take notice of it was obviously done for a reason, that reason being that Sasuke was likely not at his best in that fight when it came to strength, speed and reaction time.

Definitely. If Kishi puts it in there, that's the way it is. He was obviously trying to tell us that Sasuke wasn't at his best.

And to be honest, Sasuke still didn't do so bad a job. Yea, he was severely injured and was nearly killed twice during the fight, but even so, fights won't always be pretty. When all was said and done, Sasuke and taka managed to put together a decent enough push back. It didn't look too flattering for them, but they ultimately survived and held their own as best as they could. It ended with a result that they felt was a favorable to them

Killer Bee, in his own right, was clearly also capable of much more. No doubt about that much.

[Jadedmariner]

An "enormous leap"? Really? Sasuke took down the 8 tails with just one blast of Amaterasu. And if Killer Bee wasen't working with his Bijuu then Tsukuyomi would have ended the battle then and there. So tell me again why would Sasuke beating the Raikage be a "enormous leap" in progress?

He was struck with two fatal blows in that fight. With Juugo as he is now he is basically limited to a single healer now. More importantly the Raikage is escorted by 2 elite Jounins. Taka should be busy dealing with the Jounins meaning Sasuke gets 1 chance in this fight rather than 3. In addition, it's incredibly questionable whether or not Sasuke really did beat Killerbee in that fight.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/14/

The discussion between Killerbee and his Bijuu seems to imply very strongly he intentionally allowed himself to be hit by Amaterasu in order to leave Kumo rather than escaping from his captors at the last second. In fact the statements of Orochi only make sense in the context that Killerbee was pretending to be caught to escape Kumo. However, he does make it clear that Sasuke was powerful and not a joke as he probably felt Juugo and Suigetsu were.

[benelori]

An "enormous leap"? Really? Sasuke took down the 8 tails with just one blast of Amaterasu. And if Killer Bee wasen't working with his Bijuu then Tsukuyomi would have ended the battle then and there. So tell me again why would Sasuke beating the Raikage be a "enormous leap" in progress?

Sasuke after one use of amaterasu and a probably 2 tsukiyomi, he used MS on that fodder kumo nin. After this he couldn't grab a glass. So my guess MS will come in the last instances of the fight. So setting aside MS which was countered or dodged by killerbee, sasuke has lightning jutsu against RAIkage and firejutsu. Also considering the use of normal sharingan had no effect against killerbee without bijuu help, i don't think it will have no effect on raikage either. So it is a enormous leap, of course not mentioning MS

[zerocooldx]

He was struck with two fatal blows in that fight. With Juugo as he is now he is basically limited to a single healer now. More importantly the Raikage is escorted by 2 elite Jounins. Taka should be busy dealing with the Jounins meaning Sasuke gets 1 chance in this fight rather than 3. In addition, it's incredibly questionable whether or not Sasuke really did beat Killerbee in that fight.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/14/

The discussion between Killerbee and his Bijuu seems to imply very strongly he intentionally allowed himself to be hit by Amaterasu in order to leave Kumo rather than escaping from his captors at the last second. In fact the statements of Orochi only make sense in the context that Killerbee was pretending to be caught to escape Kumo. However, he does make it clear that Sasuke was powerful and not a joke as he probably felt Juugo and Suigetsu were.

I sure hope you strongly believe all of that, because sooner or later Sasuke's most likely going to crush it. :darn

@benelori: Yeah, who needs the MS i mean we can just eliminate it right. -_-"

[warbandit66]

If he's being manipulated then it's a bit of a cop out really, it would just be Kishi giving Sasuke an excuse for poor behaviour.

[benelori]

I sure hope you strongly believe all of that, because sooner or later Sasuke's most likely going to crush it. :darn

@benelori: Yeah, who needs the MS i mean we can just eliminate it right. -_-"

Whatever man, MS will be seen, sasuke wants to test something, but until then he'll have a hard time that's all

[gold349]

So whos "manipulating " Sasuke? Danzo from inside his room? Madara from where ever Naruto is? Or could it be that Sasuke is just doing what he set out to do.

another option, could be Zetsu, the guy was asked if he was ready and I don't think it was just to have his neck broken that guy is still mysterious and maybe is possessing Sasuke...the 'coldness' 'darkness' karin senses and the complete switch in approach that was Sasuke is gone, we'll see.

[misterchaos]

another option, could be Zetsu, the guy was asked if he was ready and I don't think it was just to have his neck broken that guy is still mysterious and maybe is possessing Sasuke...the 'coldness' 'darkness' karin senses and the complete switch in approach that was Sasuke is gone, we'll see.

maybe thats zetsu special abiliy

[zerocooldx]

another option, could be Zetsu, the guy was asked if he was ready and I don't think it was just to have his neck broken that guy is still mysterious and maybe is possessing Sasuke...the 'coldness' 'darkness' karin senses and the complete switch in approach that was Sasuke is gone, we'll see.

What we are seeing now is most likely similar to this (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/351/12-13/) but non-the-less that shows Sasuke doing a complete 180 and getting very serious.

[pancheda]

Well sounds good so far, was kinda hoping for something bigger after the week break.

Sasuke didn't kill killer bee, i am seeing that coming out during the fight, but greatly see Raikage calling it a Bluff. Killerbee is also > Susake tbh. calling him being weak from itachi's fight is gimp.

First he was about to let his team die trying to get the 8 tails. Second He has no practice or Training at all sense he left oroachimaru. He's just Sloppy.

the fool thinks Sharrigan > ALL.

Madara is Dumbfounded that Naruto gained Nagato to his side. Madara wants to figure naruto out. Question is can Naruto Change madara's thought Process. TBH Who Else in the entire manga could take down Pain? Not Even Sasuke unless he got another Freebie. Madara doesn't care if he gets caught by anyone because he can just use space/time tech to get away.

[Jadedmariner]

Madara's actions seem to be as confusing as always. He still seems to have no intention of personally capturing Naruto and must be afraid of repercussions with Sasuke if he views him as a threat and refuses to capture or kill him.

[Alien81]

Waw Madara meet Naruto, how did he find Naruto in the first place? I am starting to think that Kishimoto has given Madara way too much power for anyone to handle; I am wondering how will Naruto defeat him.

Right now I am eager to see what jutsus Raikage got, I am sure he was not made a kage for just been big. I am starting to feel bad for Sasuke he might end up getting capture if Madara would not help him. :tem:tem

[zr0]

it makes sense that madara is currently controlling sasuke on the attack. well it explains to me how pain was controlled and regarded as madara's underling. so he had a secret genjutsu that sasuke is currently trapped under, i can't help but think that itachi knew about this and gave naruto a dispel key.

[Xiraiya]

Waw Madara meet Naruto, how did he find Naruto in the first place? I am starting to think that Kishimoto has given Madara way too much power for anyone to handle; I am wondering how will Naruto defeat him.

Right now I am eager to see what jutsus Raikage got, I am sure he was not made a kage for just been big. I am starting to feel bad for Sasuke he might end up getting capture if Madara would not help him. :tem:tem


Well Minato did say Madara couldn't be beaten without a special power that the Kyuubi seemingly plays a part in.

I'm really not surprised he found Naruto, he does seem to be very close to where the Kage Summit is taking place.

[Ryodraco]

Sasuke didn't kill killer bee, i am seeing that coming out during the fight, but greatly see Raikage calling it a Bluff. Killerbee is also > Susake tbh. calling him being weak from itachi's fight is gimp.
That's your opinion. Even if it was executed poorly, the AUTHOR seems to want us to know that Sasuke's injuries from fighting Itachi did effect his fight with Killer Bee.

First he was about to let his team die trying to get the 8 tails.[/quote]
"Let his team die"? What the heck are you talking about? It was the threat of them dying and thoughts of camaraderie with his old team that helped him awaken his own Amatarasu. And as Juugo noted it was only because of each of them that any of them got out alive.


Second He has no practice or Training at all sense he left oroachimaru. He's just Sloppy.

the fool thinks Sharrigan > ALL.
Its been said in many series that actual combat is the best teacher. ;) I suspect Sasuke has learned a great deal from his encounter with Killer Bee.


Madara is Dumbfounded that Naruto gained Nagato to his side. Madara wants to figure naruto out. Question is can Naruto Change madara's thought Process. TBH Who Else in the entire manga could take down Pain? Not Even Sasuke unless he got another Freebie.
Are you talking about living characters? Because if you're not then we already have it from Pain's own mouth that if Jiraiya knew the things Naruto knew then Pain could never have beaten him (which could be interpreted in a few different ways).

[demons_halo]

it makes sense that madara is currently controlling sasuke on the attack. well it explains to me how pain was controlled and regarded as madara's underling. so he had a secret genjutsu that sasuke is currently trapped under, i can't help but think that itachi knew about this and gave naruto a dispel key.

that my friend is a damn great theory!

[Ryodraco]

Madara's actions seem to be as confusing as always. He still seems to have no intention of personally capturing Naruto and must be afraid of repercussions with Sasuke if he views him as a threat and refuses to capture or kill him.
Well it would be very risky to keep a ninja as powerful as Naruto locked up for however long it takes to find Killer Bee and then seal the 8 tails. Sure he could cripple Naruto to render him helpless and keep him alive but Naruto's regenerative powers could very well be able to heal even injuries as great as that.

[Darth Executor]

calling him being weak from itachi's fight is gimp.

Blame kishi. He decided it. Sasuke's stronger than he was in the killerbee fight, particularly since it's hinted he awoke the third MS ability.


First he was about to let his team die trying to get the 8 tails.

Huh? He did all the dying.


Second He has no practice or Training at all sense he left oroachimaru. He's just Sloppy.

No argument there. His second death could've been easily avoided if he hadn't assumed his genjutsu paralyzed killerbee.

[Jadedmariner]

Well it would be very risky to keep a ninja as powerful as Naruto locked up for however long it takes to find Killer Bee and then seal the 8 tails. Sure he could cripple Naruto to render him helpless and keep him alive but Naruto's regenerative powers could very well be able to heal even injuries as great as that.

Because waiting to capture him has worked out so well? Every day they wait Naruto becomes increasingly powerful and dangerous to Akatsuki. Refusing to capture him earlier allowed him to acquire FRS and Sage Mode. Keeping him prisoner may be difficult, but allowing him to continue to progress is bone headed.

[SenninSage]

I don't think Madara controlled Nagato in any way. I just feel that Madara feels he had a pretty good understanding of the type of person Nagato was, and how unflinching he was in the things he decided to do.

He must have realized what kind of massive feat would've been required to so completely change someone like Nagato who was so absolute and set in their ways ,and followed them with a deadly precision. He didn't bat an eye at killing his former master.

He defeated Amagakure all by himself.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/09/

Salamander Hanzou's legend

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/10/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/13/

Page 13 of that chapter ultimately gets to the very reason why I believe Madara is interested in learning how it is Naruto got Nagato to change his beliefs. More than his incredible jutsu, it was his level ruthlessness that made him most dangerous.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/14/

Even clients of the village were wiped out.

[Alien81]

I don't think Madara controlled Nagato in any way. I just feel that Madara feels he had a pretty good understanding of the type of person Nagato was, and how unflinching he was in the things he decided to do.

He must have realized what kind of massive feat would've been required to so completely change someone like Nagato who was so absolute and set in their ways ,and followed them with a deadly precision. He didn't bat an eye at killing his former master.

He defeated Amagakure all by himself.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/09/

Salamander Hanzou's legend

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/10/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/13/

Page 13 of that chapter ultimately gets to the very reason why I believe Madara is interested in learning how it is Naruto got Nagato to change his beliefs. More than his incredible jutsu, it was his level ruthlessness that made him most dangerous.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/14/

Even clients of the village were wiped out.



Yeah agree Naruto greatest strength is his ability to change people, Madara want to find out how Naruto does it, so that he will not let the same thing happen to Sasuke.:D

[SenninSage]

Also, Jiraiya and that scroll frog were talking about some special jutsu that they think the Fourth wanted Naruto to master. Just what in the world could that thing be?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

I bring it up because with Madara wanting to speak with Naruto personally, it seems to me that we should be getting at least a hint of what special power Naruto is going to require to fight someone like Madara.

Wait a minute.. perhaps the missing piece of the puzzle to the Fourth's Death God technique was having 2 souls inside himself, as opposed to just his own? Naruto, if he used that technique, may actually be able to escape with his life if he sacrifices the Kyuubi's soul instead of his own. I have a very strange feeling that Kakashi knows the Death God technique as well ;)

[vintagemistakes]

Madara likes to play games. Him appearing in front of Naruto and asking about Nagato is probably just him toying with Naruto. Pretty similar to what he did to Naruto when they first met as well.

His ultimate purpose in being there is probably to inform Naruto of what Sasuke is doing so that Naruto will act. In the end, this could get Naruto and Sasuke to fight. Sasuke will lose and be forced to take Itachis eyes... which is exactly what Madara wants him to do.

[Csdabest]

Remember all the talk about uchiha chakra. And how its suppose to be unparralled in strength and madara chakra was the strongest and sasuke chakra was like madara which contained such power and was more sinister than kyuubis. Maybe the darkness karin is sensing is from sasuke chakra finally awakening. Sasuke chakra growth was halted by curse seal so maybe it starting to grow. Mixing his feelings and chakra is most likely making sasuke dark and cold

[SenninSage]

Madara likes to play games. Him appearing in front of Naruto and asking about Nagato is probably just him toying with Naruto. Pretty similar to what he did to Naruto when they first met as well.

His ultimate purpose in being there is probably to inform Naruto of what Sasuke is doing so that Naruto will act. In the end, this could get Naruto and Sasuke to fight. Sasuke will lose and be forced to take Itachis eyes... which is exactly what Madara wants him to do.

Yep, I think that's his ultimate goal as well. However, I also think while Madara won't dare allow Naruto or anyone else to come in between him and his ambitions, he just may be starting to develop some serious respect for Naruto, similar to level of respect he had for the First.
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Remember all the talk about uchiha chakra. And how its suppose to be unparralled in strength and madara chakra was the strongest and sasuke chakra was like madara which contained such power and was more sinister than kyuubis. Maybe the darkness karin is sensing is from sasuke chakra finally awakening. Sasuke chakra growth was halted by curse seal so maybe it starting to grow. Mixing his feelings and chakra is most likely making sasuke dark and cold

I'm liking the sound of this. Perhaps this is the start of when we see Sasuke's true power.

[Zachc2009]

Yep, I think that's his ultimate goal as well. However, I also think while Madara won't dare allow Naruto or anyone else to come in between him and his ambitions, he just may be starting to develop some serious respect for Naruto, similar to level of respect he had for the First.
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I'm liking the sound of this. Perhaps this is the start of when we see Sasuke's true power.


sasuke might have come up with a kirin + susano combo?

(if itachi gave him susano)

[Makayo]

i wouldn't go so far as to say madara respects naruto, just because he defeated one of his toy soldiers, or dare compare him to the first. I think we are all forgetting the firsts greatness he beat madarra and encountered the sharingan more often than once. to the point he climbed above the uchiha clan.

Now in the manga the rule about combating the sharigan involve backstabbing and running, he fought them straight on, and also fought the mangekou and whatever dangerous tech that, that brought with it. Putting naruto on the same level as the first is saying alot, i dont think he is there even to extend the respect.

Remeber naruto is just like sasuke, in essence. As he is the same generation, and around if not more or less in power. Madara is an arrogant man that has lived hundereds of years, and just as you cant tell a man of 60 something, try tellin a man of 100+. he has probably seen it all and heard it all. he is set in his ways... the thing i think is just more manipulation

[Weapon_X]

sasuke might have come up with a kirin + susano combo?

(if itachi gave him susano)

Isn't Susano'o enough haxed already? :)

On topic -

I still wonder what Madara wants to gain from this. Why don't he just capture Naruto right there and then? It's just weird...he is gonna regret it when he decided to capture Naruto by himself and then he can't. :blink

[Shadoguardian]

Those are some good theories and I'm willing to bet that they'll backfire, especially when the power Itachi gave Naruto awakens.

[Csdabest]

Yep. I think we are going to see what sasuke is capable of and his true power. And the power of a healthy uchiha prodigy

[kazeofsilence]

Those are some good theories and I'm willing to bet that they'll backfire, especially when the power Itachi gave Naruto awakens.

I agree once Naruto's Itachigan awakens, Madara's plans are in big trouble. On another note, Sasuke and Naruto have always be shown to be the same with the minor differences that make Sasuke believe Naruto is too different to understand him. I believe Kishimoto has more about Naruto's bloodline waiting to pop up soon. Sasuke is played off as the last Uchiha of Konoha, could this mean Naruto is the last Senju? Now mind you, I'm going off on a tangent that involves Sasuke being Madara's Great Grandnephew(number of greats could be too most likely) being he resemble's Madara's brother alot more than Madara himself. To parallel Sasuke, I would then guess that Naruto is Tobirama Great Grandson(probably the same number of greats) which therefore makes him Hashirama's Grandnephew.

[Rikudou King]

This chapter looks like it's heading in a good direction, Aside from them watching Danzo. All I hope is that Sasuke isn't being manipulated or anything like that. It's about time he started to act like a ninja and a villain.

[Xiraiya]

Like Sasuke needs anymore power, Itachi Eyes should be the only and last powerup he should ever have in this Manga.

Given Kishi's history with Sasuke based plots not being overly enjoyable, I feel I know what to expect coming and it makes me apply my palm to my face.

Though I have hope that it may not happen the way I think it might.

[Smokes]

It did seem to me that Sasuke was a more dangerous shinobi when he had Orochimaru inside of him along with the cursed seal.

He had truly unbelievable versatility. He has that without Orochimaru and the cursed seal, but we can't deny Sasuke used those snake jutsu pretty impressively.

I loved those techniques.Not just the way they looked but the functionality. I don't really understand the logic behind him not having them anymore. 'Cause it seems like once you know a jutsu, you just know it, but I guess the serpent stuff was special. I'm also a little disappointed he trashed Manda, more because I liked the parallel with Naruto and his summons.

But,IMHO, I bet Kishi did away with the snake jutsu so he wouldn't have to spend so much time drawing all that detail on all those snakes:p.

[DARK]

This chapter looks like it's heading in a good direction, Aside from them watching Danzo. All I hope is that Sasuke isn't being manipulated or anything like that. It's about time he started to act like a ninja and a villain.

A ninja? Sasuke just appears right in front of them. That's not ninja-like.

[misterchaos]

This chapter looks like it's heading in a good direction, Aside from them watching Danzo. All I hope is that Sasuke isn't being manipulated or anything like that. It's about time he started to act like a ninja and a villain.

of course sasuke i being controlled why did he want to kill everyone

[-Ren Boy-]

Like Sasuke needs anymore power, Itachi Eyes should be the only and last powerup he should ever have in this Manga.

Given Kishi's history with Sasuke based plots not being overly enjoyable, I feel I know what to expect coming and it makes me apply my palm to my face.

Though I have hope that it may not happen the way I think it might.

I would bet money on Kishi rushing Sasuke gaining itachi's eyes. Like come on Sasuke only got a OMGWTFBBQ! upgrade like 50 chapters ago...so maybe another 40 chapters will do :p

But seeing how fast the story is going I think Kishi will F*** it up real bad. The pacing of this bad has been a fault because it has been too fast. So hopefully Kishi does not continue the pace in the next arc and cools down.

But I still bet he does F*** it up :\

[DARK]

of course sasuke i being controlled why did he want to kill everyone

Perhaps Sasuke wants to prove that his clan, the Uchiha, are superior to any other clan from any other land. And he's probably not being "controlled." Manipulated is a better word to use.

[misterchaos]

Madara likes to play games. Him appearing in front of Naruto and asking about Nagato is probably just him toying with Naruto. Pretty similar to what he did to Naruto when they first met as well.

His ultimate purpose in being there is probably to inform Naruto of what Sasuke is doing so that Naruto will act. In the end, this could get Naruto and Sasuke to fight. Sasuke will lose and be forced to take Itachis eyes... which is exactly what Madara wants him to do.

of course the plan eye od the moon is that give sasuke itachi's eyes

[laughing@you]

Madara likes to play games. Him appearing in front of Naruto and asking about Nagato is probably just him toying with Naruto. Pretty similar to what he did to Naruto when they first met as well.

His ultimate purpose in being there is probably to inform Naruto of what Sasuke is doing so that Naruto will act. In the end, this could get Naruto and Sasuke to fight. Sasuke will lose and be forced to take Itachis eyes... which is exactly what Madara wants him to do.

I personally think sasuke is not gonna defeat the raikage.

[misterchaos]

I personally think sasuke is not gonna defeat the raikage.

if sasuke doesnt use MS i think he would be defeated

[Weapon_X]

if sasuke doesnt use MS i think he would be defeated

Even if he uses MS, I have a feeling that the Raikage is gonna mandhandle Amaterasu and curbstomp any other techniques! FTW! That would be pawnage! :lmao

[Csdabest]

Sasuke sasuke sasuke sasuke muhahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahaaha. I really hope kishi redeems sasuke. In his fight. His pay check depends on it.

[SenninSage]

i wouldn't go so far as to say madara respects naruto, just because he defeated one of his toy soldiers, or dare compare him to the first. I think we are all forgetting the firsts greatness he beat madarra and encountered the sharingan more often than once. to the point he climbed above the uchiha clan.

Now in the manga the rule about combating the sharigan involve backstabbing and running, he fought them straight on, and also fought the mangekou and whatever dangerous tech that, that brought with it. Putting naruto on the same level as the first is saying alot, i dont think he is there even to extend the respect.

Remeber naruto is just like sasuke, in essence. As he is the same generation, and around if not more or less in power. Madara is an arrogant man that has lived hundereds of years, and just as you cant tell a man of 60 something, try tellin a man of 100+. he has probably seen it all and heard it all. he is set in his ways... the thing i think is just more manipulation


The First's defeat of Madara, and his talent for fighting against the Uchiha clan and the Sharingan certainly place him in a league of his own, but as infamous as the Senju and the Uchiha were in their time, and continue to be, I don't think they serve as the primary measuring stick for all other talented shinobi.

Even without having the First's unique abilities, I still think it is the case that he has been surpassed by other shinobi since or that it was certainly possible for other shinobi to fight on equal footing with him. He just so happened that he was uniquely equipped to deal with someone like Madara.

It's all about match ups. Just because Madara may have been able to see through all that the Fourth tried against him doesn't necessarily mean that the Fourth did not, in fact, surpass the 3 hokage that came before him. Even Kakuzu fought against the First Hokage, and was still alive to talk about it. He also didn't talk about his encounter with the First in a fashion that would indicate he was outclassed in anyway, and Naruto made short work out of Kakuzu. The way Tsunade, Jiraiya and Kakashi all talk about the Fourth, it really does seem as if he was the most powerful.

Kakashi says that Naruto is the only person who can surpass the Fourth for a reason.

[Rikudou King]

A ninja? Sasuke just appears right in front of them. That's not ninja-like. It doesn't mention that Sasuke appearing right in front of them. Team Taka was sneaking around since arriving, So I don't see why they would stop it.


of course sasuke i being controlled why did he want to kill everyone That's probably how it will turn out, But I can still dream.

[kdowns]

What i think might happen is the Madara captures Naruto and Sauske Goes to akasuki base and sees Naruto Captured and Sasuke gonna pull is EMO tricks and remebers the time when he and naruto where little kids hanging out and realizes that naruto is gonna die if he does something and sasuke is gonna keep his Nickname Sasgay afterwards............

[Kshunsui]

Saske been pawned by the raikage, killer bee style would be priceless

[SenninSage]

What i think might happen is the Madara captures Naruto and Sauske Goes to akasuki base and sees Naruto Captured and Sasuke gonna pull is EMO tricks and remebers the time when he and naruto where little kids hanging out and realizes that naruto is gonna die if he does something and sasuke is gonna keep his Nickname Sasgay afterwards............

Sasuke rescue Naruto? No way in hell.

I would literally stop reading the manga if it turned into a Sasuke has to rescue Naruto type deal.

[Alien81]

I am starting to think that Madara map all this so that Sasuke get a beating from Raikage to only come back to him for itachi’s eye’s, after all Madara wanted Sasuke to take them but he refuse. I think Sasuke will get school from Raikage probably nearly get kill by Raikage, but end up been safe by Naruto or Madara, after this Sasuke will go to Madara for Itachi’s eyes. Madara want to show Sasuke how weak he is compare to the kages.


Let’s ask our self a question why would he send or make Sasuke go where the kages are having there meeting?, knowing that most of them are kage level fighters?

Why betray him in the middle of his mission to kill Danzo? And why Let his enemies know that his in the village?:tem:tem

[Jadedmariner]

A ninja? Sasuke just appears right in front of them. That's not ninja-like.

Kinda depends. Anything that provides him with a tactical advantage is ninja-like. However, if he just walks up to him and challenges him to a fight or something than you are pretty much absolutely correct.

[Kusachu]

Wtf. So Sasuke's hatred has it's own persona now? Oh this better be real good...or not true. Or I might have to laugh really really hard for a long time...right before I cry. :eyeroll
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I am starting to think that Madara map all this so that Sasuke get a beating from Raikage to only come back to him for itachi’s eye’s, after all Madara wanted Sasuke to take them but he refuse. I think Sasuke will get school from Raikage probably nearly get kill by Raikage, but end up been safe by Naruto or Madara, after this Sasuke will go to Madara for Itachi’s eyes. Madara want to show Sasuke how weak he is compare to the kages.


Let’s ask our self a question why would he send or make Sasuke go where the kages are having a there meeting?, knowing that most of them are kage level fighters?

Why betray him in the middle of his mission to kill Danzo? And why Let his enemies know that his in the village?:tem:tem

If Itachi's eyes aint totally rotten by now I'm so calling shenanigans on this manga. :facepalm

[sarutobi_sensei]

I agree once Naruto's Itachigan awakens, Madara's plans are in big trouble. On another note, Sasuke and Naruto have always be shown to be the same with the minor differences that make Sasuke believe Naruto is too different to understand him. I believe Kishimoto has more about Naruto's bloodline waiting to pop up soon. Sasuke is played off as the last Uchiha of Konoha, could this mean Naruto is the last Senju? Now mind you, I'm going off on a tangent that involves Sasuke being Madara's Great Grandnephew(number of greats could be too most likely) being he resemble's Madara's brother alot more than Madara himself. To parallel Sasuke, I would then guess that Naruto is Tobirama Great Grandson(probably the same number of greats) which therefore makes him Hashirama's Grandnephew.
Noooo, I want Naruto to be Tsunade's Grandson thus being Hashirama's Great Great Grandson (yes it's Great Great cause it's 2 generations of grandsons. If Minato really is Tsunade's son, that would make him Hashirama's Great Grandson.)

Anyways, I want him to be Shodaime's GGGrandson because it would mean that he was always destined to be better, fucking Sasuke over the limit xD (I don't mind if Sasuke's Izuna's great great grandson).


I personally think sasuke is not gonna defeat the raikage.

I'm beginning to think that he will. Why? Simple. That way, Naruto will stop him from killing the Raikage and fight against Sasuke @ full power. I know that I usually say: heh Sasuke has no chance, but just this once I wish he can beat the Raikage without much effort. Just for the sake of a full power battle against Naruto.

[xXOffspringXx]

Sasuke rescue Naruto? No way in hell.

I would literally stop reading the manga if it turned into a Sasuke has to rescue Naruto type deal.

i call BS on that you'd still read until the very end

[Darth Executor]

I'm beginning to think that he will. Why? Simple. That way, Naruto will stop him from killing the Raikage and fight against Sasuke @ full power. I know that I usually say: heh Sasuke has no chance, but just this once I wish he can beat the Raikage without much effort. Just for the sake of a full power battle against Naruto.

Sasuke and Naruto won't fight until Sasuke gets the EMS and Naruto gets full control of the Kyuubi.

The only reason why sasuke might not beat raikage is to give him a reason to go back to madara and beg for itachi's eyes.

[Rikudou King]

Noooo, I want Naruto to be Tsunade's Grandson thus being Hashirama's Great Great Grandson (yes it's Great Great cause it's 2 generations of grandsons. If Minato really is Tsunade's son, that would make him Hashirama's Great Grandson.)

Anyways, I want him to be Shodaime's GGGrandson because it would mean that he was always destined to be better, fucking Sasuke over the limit xD (I don't mind if Sasuke's Izuna's great great grandson). That's not needed. Naruto's already the Child of Prophecy, He really needs nothing more to make him better.

[videogamer64]

My predictions

1. Sasuke will defeat the Raikage because it seems odd to build up Sasuke's hate only to lose to the Raikage so quickly

2. I now put the odds of Naruto and Sasuke fighting in this arc at 80%. They are both in the same area. Everything seems to be building for it.

BOLD

3. After noticing this cold chakra Karin will agree with Naruto's arguement for Sasuke's sake

EXTREMELY BOLD

4. Sasuke's going to kill Sakura in cold blood

[Destined_One]

Naw the Raikage won't beat Sasuke, it will be Danzou, that way it will fuel his desire once again to gain the strength to exert his revenge (EMS). Just as it did when Itachi slapped him around in part 1. Also if Sasuke is being controlled, or at least influenced to some degree, it might explain Nagato's sudden change? It would indeed make perfect sense that something as nostalgic as the legend of the Gutsy ninja which housed the very beliefs of Nagato himself, would break through whatever illusion/influence he was under. IMO I think Madara simply tells Nagato/Sasuke what they need to hear to fuel there own hatred. I wouldn't put it past Madara for setting up the whole Hanzo situation, or this confrontation now against Danzo who has just been outed for having the Sharigan of the man his older brother was accused of killing. In many ways it would confirm Madara's story, in Sasuke's eyes anyways.

Can't wait for the scripts, should be interesting

[xXOffspringXx]

My predictions

1. Sasuke will defeat the Raikage because it seems odd to build up Sasuke's hate only to lose to the Raikage so quickly

2. I now put the odds of Naruto and Sasuke fighting in this arc at 80%. They are both in the same area. Everything seems to be building for it.

BOLD

3. After noticing this cold chakra Karin will agree with Naruto's arguement for Sasuke's sake

EXTREMELY BOLD

4. Sasuke's going to kill Sakura in cold blood

bold indeed.... i just cant see that last thing happening, there's just too much foreshadow of sasuke redeeming himself

[Yusaku Jon 3]

so raikage has sakura's strength....interesting lolsUh...:blink

For the first several times we've seen him, Raikage's been showing off massive superhuman strength. The man is practically the Hulk of the Narutoverse.

[Makayo]

well we know that the uchiha have great genjustu powers and the uchiha shunsui or whoever danzou stoll his eye from had the power of influencing people without them even knowing so we couldn't madara do the same, just a possibility. Also sasuke hada hard time again killer b i wonder if he will have a hard time against his kage brother. iunno since killer said the only one to every make him show the 8 tails was his brother, so he has to be tough. I think this would be a good fight.

ohh i cant wait to see the actual fight violence for all

[Darth Executor]

well we know that the uchiha have great genjustu powers and the uchiha shunsui or whoever danzou stoll his eye from had the power of influencing people without them even knowing so we couldn't madara do the same, just a possibility. Also sasuke hada hard time again killer b i wonder if he will have a hard time against his kage brother. iunno since killer said the only one to every make him show the 8 tails was his brother, so he has to be tough. I think this would be a good fight.


Raikage is stronger than killerbee (Kishi IDs him as the strongest man in kumo). OTOH, Sasuke probably awoke his third MS ability and he no longer has the injuries from the Itachi fight so he's stronger than he was when he faced killerbee. Not to mention that raikage has no bijuu to block both amaterasu and susanoo for him. skill wise it could go either way.

[laughing@you]

bold indeed.... i just cant see that last thing happening, there's just too much foreshadow of sasuke redeeming himself

:err Really? redeeming?:blink

Here i thought kishi was foreshadowing sasuke getting whooped!!!

[Black124C41]

Raikage is stronger than killerbee (Kishi IDs him as the strongest man in kumo). OTOH, Sasuke probably awoke his third MS ability and he no longer has the injuries from the Itachi fight so he's stronger than he was when he faced killerbee. Not to mention that raikage has no bijuu to block both amaterasu and susanoo for him. skill wise it could go either way.

During the killerbee fight he got whooped left, right and center. The only (yes only) thing he could do was use Ameterasu.

As far as general Ninja "skill" goes, Bee was leagues above Sasuke in their fight, and if Riakage is stronger than that, Sasuke will have to rely 100% on his sharingan.....


Oh wait thats what he always does.

[xXOffspringXx]

:err Really? redeeming?:blink

Here i thought kishi was foreshadowing sasuke getting whooped!!!

well that too but in the end redemption

[M3J]

I'm reopening this topic. I deleted some of the recent offtopic posts here. Talk about Sharingan and etc in its thread, not here. This thread is to talk about Chapter 459 and make predictions about 460.

[Rikudou King]

Raikage is stronger than killerbee (Kishi IDs him as the strongest man in kumo). When was it said that the Raikage was stronger then Kirabi? The Raikage being the strogest in Kumo could merely be meant as literal, Like how Zetsu called Naruto as being stronger then Sasuke.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

The way things are, if sasuke manages to defeat Raikage, next stop Danzooo. As far as Naruto Vs. Sasuke is concerned its a bit far away. Unless madara decides to take naruto to sasuke or tell naruto where sasuke is and what he is planning to do with danzo and elders.

[laughing@you]

If sasuke manages to defeat or kill 1 or two kages in that summit, i will join the ranks of Patdecarne and stop reading naruto.

In the naruto-verse humans are stronger than demons.

[Alien81]

Raikage is stronger than killerbee (Kishi IDs him as the strongest man in kumo). OTOH, Sasuke probably awoke his third MS ability and he no longer has the injuries from the Itachi fight so he's stronger than he was when he faced killerbee. Not to mention that raikage has no bijuu to block both amaterasu and susanoo for him. skill wise it could go either way.

Before we start judging what Raikage can do or could not do, we should wait and see what he can do, for all we know now is that he is a kage level fighter and he got more experience than Sasuke. Yeah Sasuke got Amaterasu and maybe Susano but we have no idea about Raikage jutsu’s.

one thing I see happening is that, this battle will not be to the death because if it is then the fight will take about four to five chapters before we can see both Sasuke and Raikage use all their jutsu’s, in which case both will be out of chakra and badly injury, either that or Sasuke get capture or someone intervene to safe Sasuke before he get capture but I just could not see the fight going that long so someone will interfere.

[Jadedmariner]

The way things are, if sasuke manages to defeat Raikage, next stop Danzooo. As far as Naruto Vs. Sasuke is concerned its a bit far away. Unless madara decides to take naruto to sasuke or tell naruto where sasuke is and what he is planning to do with danzo and elders.

If Sasuke actually beats the Raikage and continues to go after Danzou during this arc it's just going to be stupid. Because either Sasuke easily defeats the Raikage, his stamina has grown dramatically, or he is an imbecile that goes after Danzou after fighting to the point of exhaustion.
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Btw when the Mizukage says killing is off limits who the heck is she talking about? Killing Danzou, Sasuke, or killing in general?

[Alien81]

If Sasuke actually beats the Raikage and continues to go after Danzou during this arc it's just going to be stupid. Because either Sasuke easily defeats the Raikage, his stamina has grown dramatically, or he is an imbecile that goes after Danzou after fighting to the point of exhaustion.
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Btw when the Mizukage says killing is off limits who the heck is she talking about? Killing Danzou, Sasuke, or killing in general?

That’s why I said this battle will not go that far, someone will intervene, Danzo, Naruto , Madara the kage’s and their bodyguards or samurais. There is a 70% chance of Sasuke getting capture.

[_Rin_]

I do not know whether Sasuke is possessed by a hate and darkness, but from stupidity... certainty is.

Sasuke will die surely later in the manga IMO...nobody can forgive him now...even Naruto...


For that Madara knows where are all, and appears where he wants...I disagree.
I think that Zetsu is the one who knows that. He always spied the others, their battles, as well gather information. It is no accident that the one part of Zetsu went with Madara. While the white Zetsu has been being with Sasuke, the Dark Zetsu has searched Naruto. Zetsu has found Naruto and has told to Madara where is he....IMO.

[SenninSage]

i call BS on that you'd still read until the very end

One thing about me is I don't bluff. If that were to happen, I'd never read the manga ever again because it would totally go against all that Kishi has basically been building towards, and it would signify to me that either Kishi is no longer in charge of the manga, or Kishi has succumbed to some kind of pressure to make Sasuke the star.

Nonetheless, however Kishi is going to handle this Raikage and Sasuke encounter, it's probably going to be extremely cool. I don't see Kishi allowing a shinobi like the Raikage who seems to have such powerful shinobi underneath him getting whipped up on by Sasuke. If anything, what may happen is both of them showcase how impressive they are and Sasuke brings out something special that really shocks the Raikage, and as he's about to respond to it, someone else interrupts. I doubt either Sasuke or the Raikage will be embarrassed. Their encounter is going to be good.

[The_Drunk]

I'm sure Sasuke is being controled by Zetsu.... I mean Zetsu is a guess but he is being controlled by someone other than Madara and Danzo.... so... that only leaves Zetsu. I say this because Karin making a refrence to the shadow behind Sasuke is a pretty strong indication that he's being controlled. We've seen this technique once already by J-man. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/371/16/ I'm sure everyone will remember this one.

[NaruHina-X]

I hope Sasuke loses! I was hoping Naruto would fight Raikage. Sasuke has been getting to much fights lately.

Rookie 9 should be the ones getting some good fights.

[The_Drunk]

if you think about it if Sasuke would have confronted Raikage without being controlled Sasuke would have told him the truth that his brother is not dead. Now that Sasuke is under the control of Zetsu, he won't even bother telling Raikage the truth and they'll go at it until someone dies besides those weak as samuri.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

It says that madara is going to talk to naruto just like itachi did before he went and died. Doesn't madara needs 9 tails to complete his plans. So why doesn't he capture him now. Is he waiting for kisame to capture 8 tails and sasuke to sync with that statue. If that's the case why doen't he capture him now and seal later once both thos things is done. Or is he waiting for naruto to get even more stronger to make the kyuubi even stronger.

[Xeduz]

It says that madara is going to talk to naruto just like itachi did before he went and died. Doesn't madara needs 9 tails to complete his plans. So why doesn't he capture him now. Is he waiting for kisame to capture 8 tails and sasuke to sync with that statue. If that's the case why doen't he capture him now and seal later once both thos things is done. Or is he waiting for naruto to get even more stronger to make the kyuubi even stronger.

Nah, from how I see it. I think it's as someone else said: Both check out on Naruto, but also play a mindgame on in. If we can say Naruto is born with a silverspoon in his mouth when it comes to talk, madara is certainly having goldenspoon to counter it with.

I'm more curious about the fight between Sasuke and Raikage, since it will mean a lot to the story and fans. I just prey for fight which is intervened, since I can't see Sasuke getting out of this fight without being serious injured if he do win anyway.

While I'm hoping we will see something new between the Naruto and Madara, they might even serve madara some tea along with it, but frankly - I'm interested in seeing Madara's wordplay and their fight with words. :)

[Blanka]

Madara wants Sasuke as an ally. However he has to reign him in first. If Sasuke would stay and fight 'till his death instead of prudently retreat, then he would be a wasted ally. I think Madara is banking on the fact that Sasuke will either get lucky and take out Danzou (doubtful) or cause a huge commotion and make a hasty retreat. Bringing him ever closer to being under Madara's thumb. This seems to just be a ruckus to break Sasuke and rebuild loyal followers. Sasuke must be utterly defeated to seek out the strength Akatsuki can provide.

Naruto perplexes Madara by being direct speaking from the heart. Whereas Madara wills through suggestion. That and leaf ninja keep wiping the floor with his minions. Madara is borderline immortal (he won't die of old age, but he can be killed). Time is not a factor for him, so talking with Naruto and not capturing him are a small price to learn about his opponent.

Zetsu is either two identical twins fused like one of Orochimaru's barrier maker, or possibly able to seperate his yin and yang chakra into seperate bodies. I personally think the latter, and he can resurrect his whiter half, so there is no risk in appearing. Most likely you would have to kill both.

The Raikage said that Naruto was naive (something like that) and was going to kill Sasuke. I think Raikage will beat him, but not finish him. A capture (with a later escape) or Sasuke getting rescued are likely.

An all-out war will not occur, yet. That will not happen until Naruto has enough strength and allies to stop a great shinobi war. The conference will be cancelled quickly with Danzou avoiding being questioned.

[SenninSage]

Naruto and Madara about to have an Oxford Style Debate.

My money is on Naruto.

The topic is : Can hatred truly be defeated and can people truly come to an understanding?

Madara will be arguing the negative and Naruto will argue the affirmative.

No canned, pre-prepared arguments allowed.

[Krik]

Please don't do it Kishi! Cancel this fight now. There is no way Sasuke will survive a real physical confrontation with Raikage. I just won't buy him winning even with his box of win eyes. This is where Naruto should be intervening. I can see why Naruto feels he doesn't understand Sasuke as much as he thought.

Sasuke appears to have a different agenda then just vengeance and hes behaving like a man possessed ;)

[Razziel]

It would be quite impossible for Sasuke and Raikage to have an all out fight just 1v1.
I got the feeling that they met like 100m from the meeting place (not far) so others at the meeting would probably notice a fight of this scale going on.
And ofcourse join in.

(Sasuke surrounded? 360 amaterasu spin hahah) xD

[Ryodraco]

If Itachi's eyes aint totally rotten by now I'm so calling shenanigans on this manga. :facepalm
With all the other things they can do in the Naruto world you find it hard to believe they can preserve eyes? For all we know Madara has Itachi's body in some state of suspended animation where decay can't touch it.


iunno since killer said the only one to every make him show the 8 tails was his brother, so he has to be tough.
Actually I think he said his brother was the only one who had ever dodged an attack from him when using the 8 tails chakra cloak, until he met Sasuke that is.


If sasuke manages to defeat or kill 1 or two kages in that summit, i will join the ranks of Patdecarne and stop reading naruto.
You do realize that not all kages are created equal right? Deidara defeated Gaara, a kage, and in turn was defeated by Sasuke (or tied with and forced to suicide if you want to see it that way). More to the point Deidara wasn't trying to kill Gaara and was low on supplies, but still won (yes by dirty means but he used dirty means on Sasuke too), while against Sasuke he was fully stocked, trying to kill him, and had minor help (Tobi).


In the naruto-verse humans are stronger than demons.
You say this and yet think it would be wrong for Sasuke to overcome a kage? One of the great things about Naruto is how every human character is ultimately vulnerable in a very human way no matter how strong they are.


I hope Sasuke loses! I was hoping Naruto would fight Raikage. Sasuke has been getting to much fights lately.

Rookie 9 should be the ones getting some good fights.
I agree about wanting to see more rookie 9 members fighting, but I don't see how you can say Sasuke has been getting too many fights "lately." We haven't seen him in a real fight since kIller Bee.


It says that madara is going to talk to naruto just like itachi did before he went and died. Doesn't madara needs 9 tails to complete his plans. So why doesn't he capture him now. Is he waiting for kisame to capture 8 tails and sasuke to sync with that statue. If that's the case why doen't he capture him now and seal later once both thos things is done. Or is he waiting for naruto to get even more stronger to make the kyuubi even stronger.
The closest thing we have to a given reason is that keeping Naruto confined and alive would cause problems as all the Leaf Ninja's forces would become desperate to find him and could ruin everything. But there may be more to it.

But as for the sealing we know they can't do it until the 8 tails is sealed, and the 8 tails can't be sealed until the statue gets someone else to sync with it, nor can it be done until the 8 tails is captured.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

What if sasuke decides leave raikage to juugo and the other guy to hold him off and he decides to go straight to danzo.

[The_Drunk]

Please don't do it Kishi! Cancel this fight now. There is no way Sasuke will survive a real physical confrontation with Raikage. I just won't buy him winning even with his box of win eyes. This is where Naruto should be intervening. I can see why Naruto feels he doesn't understand Sasuke as much as he thought.

Sasuke appears to have a different agenda then just vengeance and hes behaving like a man possessed ;)

Raikage doesn't have a tailed beast in him. Sasuke has his eyes.... there is no way Raikage will win this fight unless other Kages show up. Sorry, but I think it's Raikage who picked the wrong fight. I know he's doing it for his brother, but he'd better take off the weights on his arms and legs if he wants to avoid Sasuke.

[redred]

If Sasuke actually beats the Raikage and continues to go after Danzou during this arc it's just going to be stupid. Because either Sasuke easily defeats the Raikage, his stamina has grown dramatically, or he is an imbecile that goes after Danzou after fighting to the point of exhaustion.
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Btw when the Mizukage says killing is off limits who the heck is she talking about? Killing Danzou, Sasuke, or killing in general?
i think mizukage was probably talking to her subordinates
maybe she doesnt want any blood spilled on her behalf
because shes trying to get away from the reputation
of the "blood mist"
and also maybe cause its got nothing to do with her ;D


btw, something that i thought of just now;
sasuke was still injured from the itachi fight, and everyone brings that up.
but right before they fought, killerbee was training with the 8 tails, he was completely transformed in that dark cave and he was shown turning back right before. so we can assume he was training.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/16/
whos to say he was 100% just because he didnt act fatigued in front of sasuke and co.

[Blanka]

The sick thing about Danzou is both Ao and Kakashi took an eye during battle most likely to supplement a damaged one.

Danzou probably had shinsui captured and forcibly removed before the Uchiha genocide to ensure his power. I am guessing his right side is being affected by the implanted eye.

Both Danzou and Kabuto most likely have a similar affliction. The new tissue resists the host body. Shinsui's due to hatred, and Orochimaru's due to reincarnating cells. Kabuto is being taken over by Orochimaru's cells. Danzou is being immobilzed by Shinsui's eye.

There most likely needs to be a level of respect and acknowledgment by the donor to fully utilize the foreign tissue.

Danzou has had his eye bandaged since the great war, and at some time before the present he received shinsui's eye. He uses a cane now possibly because of the stolen eye.

[Krik]

Raikage doesn't have a tailed beast in him. Sasuke has his eyes.... there is no way Raikage will win this fight unless other Kages show up. Sorry, but I think it's Raikage who picked the wrong fight. I know he's doing it for his brother, but he'd better take off the weights on his arms and legs if he wants to avoid Sasuke.

No, we have no real clue as to what he's capable of even without a tailed beast. One can say that there have been more than enough subtle nudges to suggest he's extremely powerful.

This is the guy who continued to stockpile jutsus during a downtime between other countries.

[Lelo]

So Sasuke kills two motherf*^*^*s? Finally :tem Is he beiing controlled, if yes then I wonder if Madara has that same power as Danzou? Most likely yes

[dflynchimp]

The sick thing about Danzou is both Ao and Kakashi took an eye during battle most likely to supplement a damaged one.

Danzou probably had shinsui captured and forcibly removed before the Uchiha genocide to ensure his power. I am guessing his right side is being affected by the implanted eye.

Both Danzou and Kabuto most likely have a similar affliction. The new tissue resists the host body. Shinsui's due to hatred, and Orochimaru's due to reincarnating cells. Kabuto is being taken over by Orochimaru's cells. Danzou is being immobilzed by Shinsui's eye.

There most likely needs to be a level of respect and acknowledgment by the donor to fully utilize the foreign tissue.

Danzou has had his eye bandaged since the great war, and at some time before the present he received shinsui's eye. He uses a cane now possibly because of the stolen eye.

Ao did battle with an Hyuga, and gained an eye. This means either he killed the Hyuga or injured him to the point where he could forcibly take the person's eye. You are wrong in that regard.

Kakashi is probably the only one that gained his eye as a part of a friendship.

Danzo's eye and arm I'm still going to guess was taken after the massacre. My argument here is that three of the Uchiha police members examined and investigated Shisui's death, and questioned Itachi about it. All they said was that Shisui killed himself via drowning. If Danzo took Shisui's eye and arm before he died wouldn't the Uchiha's find out when they found his body? My guess is Danzo retrieved Shisui's body after he was dead for a bit (and the other Uchihas were also dead) and did his little implant stint. The damage I'd assume was from incompatibilities or Shisui's body having started to go bad.

As for the cane, I think Danzo keeps it as a false pretense of weakness. We see him move and fight just fine when he massacred those 17 shinobis ambushing him.

[Ryodraco]

The sick thing about Danzou is both Ao and Kakashi took an eye during battle most likely to supplement a damaged one.

Danzou probably had shinsui captured and forcibly removed before the Uchiha genocide to ensure his power. I am guessing his right side is being affected by the implanted eye.
Except the Uchiha found his body didn't they? And he apparently was killed in a way that could be seen as suicide, albeit suspicious.

[SenninSage]

Raikage doesn't have a tailed beast in him. Sasuke has his eyes.... there is no way Raikage will win this fight unless other Kages show up. Sorry, but I think it's Raikage who picked the wrong fight. I know he's doing it for his brother, but he'd better take off the weights on his arms and legs if he wants to avoid Sasuke.

Come on.. there's no way someone as obsessed with gathering all the most powerful jutsu as the Raikage would appear to be, doesn't know how to fight a Sharingan user.

Also, do we really want to go down the path that suggests you can't beat an Uchiha unless you have a tailed beast? There are ways for Uchiha to be beaten, even without their opponent having a tailed beast.

[Jadedmariner]

Raikage doesn't have a tailed beast in him. Sasuke has his eyes.... there is no way Raikage will win this fight unless other Kages show up. Sorry, but I think it's Raikage who picked the wrong fight. I know he's doing it for his brother, but he'd better take off the weights on his arms and legs if he wants to avoid Sasuke.

Raikage was powerful enough to force Killerbee to remain at the village against his own wishes. There is a reason that he had to fake his own death to escape the village and it isn't because he was afraid of being pursued by weak sauce anbu.

[dflynchimp]

Raikage doesn't have a tailed beast in him. Sasuke has his eyes.... there is no way Raikage will win this fight unless other Kages show up. Sorry, but I think it's Raikage who picked the wrong fight. I know he's doing it for his brother, but he'd better take off the weights on his arms and legs if he wants to avoid Sasuke.

Hashirama beat Uchiha Madara.

End of discussion.

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Period.

[M3J]

Stick to talking about the spoilers for Chapter 460 please. This is just a warning by the way, as I see some discussion that could possibly veer to something else.

[Jadedmariner]

Actually it'd be interesting if Naruto went Sage Mode and it actually allowed him to strike Madara. Even if it wasn't very effective it would be nice to see that it is at least possible for somebody to slap the guy.

Edit: Additionally it would be an excuse for him to interfere in the Raikage v. Sasuke fight.

[ThaGreatOne]

An "enormous leap"? Really? Sasuke took down the 8 tails with just one blast of Amaterasu. And if Killer Bee wasen't working with his Bijuu then Tsukuyomi would have ended the battle then and there. So tell me again why would Sasuke beating the Raikage be a "enormous leap" in progress?

um we all know the only reason Sasuke is around is because of Kishi's Law. You know just like everyone else Sasuke and his team was getting raped that ENTIRE fight (see sword attacks: FAIL, Sasuke Kick: FAIL, Chidori: FAIL, Team Hawk: FAIL, Killerbee clothesline to blow sasuke's chest off: FAIL) until kishi used the only method possible of keeping sasuke alive: killerbee transforming + sasuke hax: "oh now I have full mastery over an attack I've used for the second time".

No Raikage might not have a biju but we don't know a whole lot about him. You never know he could be smarter than killerbee and just as powerful or have even better techniques. Sad thing is kishi just keeps finding ways to keep sasuke alive so yes it is an enormous leap.
[hr]

Also, Jiraiya and that scroll frog were talking about some special jutsu that they think the Fourth wanted Naruto to master. Just what in the world could that thing be?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/11/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/13/

I bring it up because with Madara wanting to speak with Naruto personally, it seems to me that we should be getting at least a hint of what special power Naruto is going to require to fight someone like Madara.

Wait a minute.. perhaps the missing piece of the puzzle to the Fourth's Death God technique was having 2 souls inside himself, as opposed to just his own? Naruto, if he used that technique, may actually be able to escape with his life if he sacrifices the Kyuubi's soul instead of his own. I have a very strange feeling that Kakashi knows the Death God technique as well ;)

but wouldn't that kill naruto too since it's basically ripping the 9-tails out of him like the akatsuki does? Either that or the 4th created a way to safely get the 9 tails out

[DARK]

Actually it'd be interesting if Naruto went Sage Mode and it actually allowed him to strike Madara. Even if it wasn't very effective it would be nice to see that it is at least possible for somebody to slap the guy.

Edit: Additionally it would be an excuse for him to interfere in the Raikage v. Sasuke fight.

And here I thought that Naruto ran out of clones for the Sage Mode... Still I wonder how Madara was "captured?"

[Jadedmariner]

And here I thought that Naruto ran out of clones for the Sage Mode... Still I wonder how Madara was "captured?"

Umm....He doesn't need to use a clone to enter sage mode. They are so that he can spam Sage mode without stopping to gather nature energy. Considering they are just hanging out having a conversation he could easily be gathering the energy as we speak. And if it failed we would at least learn that the Sharingan gained yet another power and can see nature energy.

[DARK]

No. The clones were summoned from the mountain to Konoha in order for him to dispel them and re-enter sage mode when he ran out of Sage Chakra.

Oh yeah... Still he ran out of the clones. But really I don't see the reason why Naruto SHOULD be using Sage Mode right now. I doubt this will escalate to a full-scale fight.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

Oh yeah... Still he ran out of the clones. But really I don't see the reason why Naruto SHOULD be using Sage Mode right now. I doubt this will escalate to a full-scale fight.

Naruto V Madara fight is very far away. Unless kishi decides to kill Naruto.

They are just going to talk about the usual things such as hatred, pain, darkness, etc..

[Jadedmariner]

Oh yeah... Still he ran out of the clones. But really I don't see the reason why Naruto SHOULD be using Sage Mode right now. I doubt this will escalate to a full-scale fight.

I don't expect it to escalate to a full-scale fight, but I don't expect Naruto to sit down and have a cup of tea with the guy who killed his Father and is corrupting Sasuke either. My point was it can both be interesting and move the plot forward. You can have him succeed at hitting hitting Madara, but fail at damaging him much. Then have him immediately sense Sasuke and run after him allowing him to intervene in the Raikage fight.

[DARK]

naruto doesn't need to sit still any more to enter sage mode. remember when he went to seek out Nagato, he enter sage mode after he got to the entrance without sitting still. this is naruto we are talking about. nothing is inposible or out of reach for him.

Thought that was a Kyubi-Sage hybrid. I guess that means that Naruto is going to use both now.

[M3J]

I deleted off topic posts. It had to do with sage mode, and it wasn't even about Chapter 460. There are appropriate topics for that, and if there aren't, make one in Toshokan section or one of its subforum.

Anyway, if the spoilers are really true, I am so looking to the discussion between Madara and Naruto. What's Madara gonna say, how's he gonna try to manipulate Naruto, if he is? And how will Naruto react.
The spoilers, if I recall, said Madara asked how Naruto changed Nagato. This makes me think Madara isn't as evil as we thought, or this is his attempt to mess with Naruto's mind like he did with Sasuke or like Nagato did with Naruto.

[Raizen]

i hope the rest of taka beats the shit out of whoever is controlling sasuke.
Don't bet on it. THe rest of team taka is a bunch of loser who I couldn't acre less about. I hope the konoha rookies beat their ass

[Montai]

You guys think Danzo could have known about Sasuke already? In the "psycho-bomber" battle, Sasuke revealed that the Sharigan gives color to chakra. Even when the bombs were underground, Sasuke could still see them. So Danzo should be able to see people through the bandages and through the walls.

If Danzo was controlling Mifune, then Danzo's technique is working through the bandages, do you think that his tech would work on someone on the other side of a wall? If that is so, then he could very well be manipulating Sasuke with his ability. That could also be what Karin is sensing from Sasuke, and why he killed that Samurai.

Or it could be one of Zetsu's powers. *sigh* -_-

[DEATHBOTT]

i'll be interested to see if tobi admits to releasing the 9 tails on konoha to naruto and if he aknowleges the 4th as narutos father and that the attack was actually to make konoha suspicious of the uchiha. i think that danzou and tobi used to work togather but then danzou betrayed tobi or something like that. i think their relationship if any will come out soon enough though.

[ThaGreatOne]

Don't bet on it. THe rest of team taka is a bunch of loser who I couldn't acre less about. I hope the konoha rookies beat their ass

um taka is garbage without sasuke. Killerbee displayed that easily. Karin can't fight and I don't see them holding their own against Raikage's team. Especially suigetsu who should be VERY weak against lightning jutsu. They will probably get sidwswiped and mollywhopped again then it will just be sasuke vs raikage.

and to think suigetsu thought he could beat Kisame.... :XD

[TeAm#7FoReVer]

I am really suprised by Sasuke, I never imagined that he would kill the samurais ( I hoped that they were stronger.) Its hard to tell if he is being manipulated without seeing the pictures, I believe that someone possesed him (maybe black Zetsu) like Ino did a few times with people and animals, because is really strange that he change his mood so quickly.

[Jadedmariner]

You guys think Danzo could have known about Sasuke already? In the "psycho-bomber" battle, Sasuke revealed that the Sharigan gives color to chakra. Even when the bombs were underground, Sasuke could still see them. So Danzo should be able to see people through the bandages and through the walls.

If Danzo was controlling Mifune, then Danzo's technique is working through the bandages, do you think that his tech would work on someone on the other side of a wall? If that is so, then he could very well be manipulating Sasuke with his ability. That could also be what Karin is sensing from Sasuke, and why he killed that Samurai.

To be honest I'm still not sure wtf to make of that tweak Kishi made to the Sharingan. The entire reason people who have implanted eyes covered them was supposed to be to save chakra by deactivating them the only way you could. However, if all of a sudden it is like a chakra x-ray and can see the color of chakra through everything then how do you ever turn the damn thing off? It wouldn't completely shock me if Danzou was controlling Sasuke, but at the same time I'm not positive how it really helps his situation.

[ameya730]

kakashi and yamato subdue madara i would love to see how they managed to do that even when they that their actions were useless since madara can just phase out

i dont think madara's plan initially involved naruto cause naruto coming to the summit was an act of impulse made at the last moment so i guess either madara wants to genuinely talk with naruto or he changed his plans when he realized naruto was in iron country

[Jadedmariner]

kakashi and yamato subdue madara i would love to see how they managed to do that even when they that their actions were useless since madara can just phase out

i dont think madara's plan initially involved naruto cause naruto coming to the summit was an act of impulse made at the last moment so i guess either madara wants to genuinely talk with naruto or he changed his plans when he realized naruto was in iron country

Or he realizes that Naruto could screw up his plan and is trying to keep him distracted as long as possible.

[DEATHBOTT]

kishi needs to set rules for the sharingan and stick to them.
Know fricken normal sharingan have individual techs and can do anything byakkugan can do.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

i dont think madara's plan initially involved naruto cause naruto coming to the summit was an act of impulse made at the last moment so i guess either madara wants to genuinely talk with naruto or he changed his plans when he realized naruto was in iron country

Plus he wouldn't have thought that nagato will be defeated by naruto or any of the konoha shinobi for that matter.

[M3J]

You guys think Danzo could have known about Sasuke already? In the "psycho-bomber" battle, Sasuke revealed that the Sharigan gives color to chakra. Even when the bombs were underground, Sasuke could still see them. So Danzo should be able to see people through the bandages and through the walls.

If Danzo was controlling Mifune, then Danzo's technique is working through the bandages, do you think that his tech would work on someone on the other side of a wall? If that is so, then he could very well be manipulating Sasuke with his ability. That could also be what Karin is sensing from Sasuke, and why he killed that Samurai.

Or it could be one of Zetsu's powers. *sigh* -_-

Dirt might not be as solid as wall. But that doesn't make sense as Kakashi couldn't see Zabuza in the mist or even detect his chakra with his Sharingan, I think (not totally sure). Danzou can't be controlling Sasuke, but of course, Danzou is quite intelligent. He might have found out a way to do that. Anyway, I think it could be the same way Itachi cast genjutsu with his finger that Danzou is using on Mifune and others if he really did manipulate Mifune's mind.

[Mack]

Hey Guys, I wanna ask, why Suigetsu has his sword in new manga, when they left it in Raikiro after the fight with bee. Pretty strange, isnt it?

[Montai]

Also, how in the hell did Tobi know where Naruto was? I wonder if they guy could "teleport" people too. I would guess not, because he'd have all of the beasts, right?

" The mystery that is Tobi "

[ThaGreatOne]

kishi needs to set rules for the sharingan and stick to them.
Know fricken normal sharingan have individual techs and can do anything byakkugan can do.

kishi will do whatever he can to keep sharingan alive and well....especially when sasuke is in trouble..im sure there will be some new ability or wtf aspect of sharingan that kicks in during this showdown

[Raizen]

um taka is garbage without sasuke. Killerbee displayed that easily. Karin can't fight and I don't see them holding their own against Raikage's team. Especially suigetsu who should be VERY weak against lightning jutsu. They will probably get sidwswiped and mollywhopped again then it will just be sasuke vs raikage.

and to think suigetsu thought he could beat Kisame.... :XD
Exactly what I said.
Karin has shown nothing more than a annoying asss healer on her period every single day
Suigetsu is a cocky bastard who to me is nothing but a weaker version of zabuza
Juugo is another retarded CS user who can only do lame straightforward attacks

The raikage's 2 assistant will handle them

[SenninSage]

kishi needs to set rules for the sharingan and stick to them.
Know fricken normal sharingan have individual techs and can do anything byakkugan can do.

Not true, there are a number of things the Byakugan does now that the Sharingan still doesn't do, and that list will only grow larger once we see a true heir of the Byakugan get a real fight, like Neji.

[Montai]

Another thing! The person with the humongous chakra, who could it be? Kisame would be my first choice, but wouldn't she had sensed Killer b too? Or maybe killer b got away... hmm...

Guys, try and keep it on topic with the spoils. This topic may also get locked. <.<

[Sean79]

Another thing! The person with the humongous chakra, who could it be? Kisame would be my first choice, but wouldn't she had sensed Killer b too? Or maybe killer b got away... hmm...

My guess is the Raikage.

[DEATHBOTT]

Not true, there are a number of things the Byakugan does now that the Sharingan still doesn't do, and that list will only grow larger once we see a true heir of the Byakugan get a real fight, like Neji.

i know i was exagerating.

[lonelytaka]

sasuke kill raikage is a big crime, he will be dead. so sasuke will have dissapear and hide away from raikage while he angry inside the meeting.

[Kaizoku-O Luffy]

My guess is the Raikage.

Spoiler says the chapter ends with sasuke running towards raikage. That means the humongous chakra must be raikage's.

[Sean79]

Spoiler says the chapter ends with sasuke running towards raikage. That means the humongous chakra must be raikage's.

Exactly... I don't know why people are saying crazy things like its Kisame's :confused:

[lonelytaka]

i wanna want to see all the kage argument and quarrel against danzo. i also want to see danzo assasinated by sasuke.

[adbanginwar]

My guess is the Raikage.

As per the spoiler Raikage left to seek sasuke. so i really doubt if its Raikage.
It could be Kisame making his entry or may killer bee.

[Sean79]

I most interested in Madara's 'Eye of the Moon' plan.

He has already set things in motion by sending white zetsu into the meeting...

What is he trying to achive??

[adbanginwar]

Exactly... I don't know why people are saying crazy things like its Kisame's :confused:

He runs toward Raikage that true but this huge chakra guy was before he runs into Raikage i.e. when sasuke is killing samurais.

[Kinmagan Gil]

My guess is the Raikage.

I was thinking the Raikage too. I think Kirabi was left to Kisame, so he's being hunted, no?

[Jadedmariner]

He runs toward Raikage that true but this huge chakra guy was before he runs into Raikage i.e. when sasuke is killing samurais.

They sensed a huge chakra appearing and next panel likely is Raikage. I'm not saying it can't be a trojan horse, but it seems pretty unlikely.

[Montai]

Exactly... I don't know why people are saying crazy things like its Kisame's :confused:

I guess I missed that part ^.^ My bad~! lol In all honesty, I hope Raikage beats his eyes out then. He has to anyways. If he wants to keep up with Naruto (table has finally turned ^0^), he'll need them.


He runs toward Raikage that true but this huge chakra guy was before he runs into Raikage i.e. when sasuke is killing samurais.

Oh~?

[DEATHBOTT]

i dont see why kisame would be there what does he have to do with sasuke.

[Katz]

Unless Kisame somehow defeated killerbee, recovered, and traveled to the summit....yea, I don't think so

[Destined_One]

i dont see why kisame would be there what does he have to do with sasuke.

The only other person it could be IMO is Naruto, he is in the Iron country, and with Madara around the Kyuubi chakra might be swelling. Though the Raikage is the obvious candidate.

[LiL_JiRiyAya]

i love naruto its the only show were you can just sit down and have a spot of tea while making idle chat with your enemies

[Jadedmariner]

i love naruto its the only show were you can just sit down and have a spot of tea while making idle chat with your enemies

Nah it's a pretty common thing. It also seems to run the gambit as far as what genre you are watching. It's especially common in spy movies/shows/comics.

[weehoo107]

He runs toward Raikage that true but this huge chakra guy was before he runs into Raikage i.e. when sasuke is killing samurais.

It's raikage. someone that enraged would be easy to sense.

[dflynchimp]

i love naruto its the only show were you can just sit down and have a spot of tea while making idle chat with your enemies

I think you mean sake?;)

[Montai]

It's raikage. someone that enraged would be easy to sense.

We really don't know how easy it is for her to sense people. She sensed Kisame though. Right before the Itachi vs Sasuke thing.

[weehoo107]

We really don't know how easy it is for her to sense people. She sensed Kisame though. Right before the Itachi vs Sasuke thing.

she also sensed Konoha when they were coming for them in that little town. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/365/03/) sensing a huge chakra less then a mile away must not be so hard for her, since they were well outside the town. they were far enough away for Taka to get on the move again before they even reached the town.

[Frostal]

As per the spoiler Raikage left to seek sasuke. so i really doubt if its Raikage.
It could be Kisame making his entry or may killer bee.

OR OR ........ wait for it .......

NARUTO!!!!

I know it's far fetched, but uhm couldn't the chat with Madara be like @ a different time? considering that he was sleeping right before the chat and the fighting doesn't seem to occur @ night?

Most likely it's the Raikage tho, but I hope it's Naruto. Naruto's chakra pool has to have increased even further since the last time they met no?
But again, most likely it's Kishi hyping up the Raikage.

[Kusachu]

I wonder if Sasuke will tell Raikage that Bee is still alive?? Or if he will just try to kill him along with Danzou...hmmm...or maybe someone else will tell him that Bee is alive. I could see Karin doing that. Like, Raikage's all, "YOU TOOK MY BROTHER!" And Karin would be like, "NUH UH!! WE FAILED! HE MUST HAVE DIPPED ON YOU!!"

Since Karin is obviously the smart one of the bunch and all...lol.

[Strider's♥Death]

I wonder if Sasuke will tell Raikage that Bee is still alive?? Or if he will just try to kill him along with Danzou...hmmm...or maybe someone else will tell him that Bee is alive. I could see Karin doing that. Like, Raikage's all, "YOU TOOK MY BROTHER!" And Karin would be like, "NUH UH!! WE FAILED! HE MUST HAVE DIPPED ON YOU!!"

Since Karin is obviously the smart one of the bunch and all...lol.

It may go down like that or sasuke may get a beat down from the rai and right when the raikage is going to nail the final blow karin opens up her big mouth ;)

Hate sasuke with like a burning passion right around my crotch region, but I doubt this is his logical thinking of the situation slaying samurais down, my bet is that he is getting influenced somehow :oh that or he has gone b-a-n-a-n-a-s

[weehoo107]

I wonder if Sasuke will tell Raikage that Bee is still alive?? Or if he will just try to kill him along with Danzou...hmmm...or maybe someone else will tell him that Bee is alive. I could see Karin doing that. Like, Raikage's all, "YOU TOOK MY BROTHER!" And Karin would be like, "NUH UH!! WE FAILED! HE MUST HAVE DIPPED ON YOU!!"

Since Karin is obviously the smart one of the bunch and all...lol.

tis a sad, sad day when Karin is called the smartest of the bunch... lol.

but I don't think Raikage would simply absolve Sasuke like that even if he knew Bee was alive. Sasuke attacked his brother, and that's all that matters to him. besides, Raikage is a violent person and mad at all the other kages for having some part in forming Akatsuki. to represent Kumo, he'd probably kill Sasuke to show how amazing his village is and how his hands aren't tainted with Akatasuki to Mifune.

I hope their fight is interrupted...

[demons_halo]

why do I keep getting this weird feeling that sauske knew this was gonna happen?

[uchiha-Kakashi]

why do I keep getting this weird feeling that sauske knew this was gonna happen?

BECAUSE HE IS A GENIUS.

There is no way he can lose against Raikage, but he will beout of chakra and will possible get blind after the fight so Danzou could maybe attack
him:s

[weehoo107]

why do I keep getting this weird feeling that sauske knew this was gonna happen?

nah, that's probably just him being all cocky and calm at the same time ;)

How would he know this would happen? intuition? either way, he's kinda screwed right now. Raikage's not Raikage for nothing. he's either as strong as Bee, or stronger, so Sasuke isn't gonna walk away from this battle with a few scratches. I expect him to go blind before the battle is finished.

[demons_halo]

nah, that's probably just him being all cocky and calm at the same time ;)

How would he know this would happen? intuition? either way, he's kinda screwed right now.

haha that might be it =P

that much I can agree on, but naruto will eventually sweep in and save the day XD

[digitaldude]

nah, that's probably just him being all cocky and calm at the same time ;)

How would he know this would happen? intuition? either way, he's kinda screwed right now. Raikage's not Raikage for nothing. he's either as strong as Bee, or stronger, so Sasuke isn't gonna walk away from this battle with a few scratches. I expect him to go blind before the battle is finished.

Yeah, using chidori on the leader of the lighting village,lol, I agree that he might go blind in the battle, for obvious plot reasons.

[uchiha-Kakashi]

nah, that's probably just him being all cocky and calm at the same time ;)

How would he know this would happen? intuition? either way, he's kinda screwed right now. Raikage's not Raikage for nothing. he's either as strong as Bee, or stronger, so Sasuke isn't gonna walk away from this battle with a few scratches. I expect him to go blind before the battle is finished.

only because almost everyone hates Sasuke doesn't mean that he is lack in tastic like Naruto (said himself). Everyone acknowledge Madara is great and unpredictable, it is the same with Sasuke but the Sasuke haters ( = Hinata lovers) won't see that.

[weehoo107]

only because almost everyone hates Sasuke doesn't mean that he is lack in tastic like Naruto (said himself). Everyone acknowledge Madara is great and unpredictable, it is the same with Sasuke but the Sasuke haters ( = Hinata lovers) won't see that.

I'm not a Sasuke hater. but I'm not really a Sasuke lover, either. not right now, anyways. (and I'm not fond of Hinata. enough with your assumptions.)

Sasuke, is predictable because his life has been ruled by hate. Revenge is his main reason for living right now, and Sasuke has always done whatever he thinks will give him better advantage to get his revenge. so, if you read ahead, Sasuke is somewhat predictable in these areas.

Sasuke isn't as strong as you think he is, compared to some. he needs a power boost, and I think that may be where Madara comes in.

Sasuke had a lot of problems with Bee, he barely escaped with his life, and lost some of his vision. since Raikage is as strong or stronger then Bee, Sasuke is (probably) gonna get his ass kicked. it's not because I hate him, it's because that's the probable outcome. ( and I say probable because the only way he doesn't get his as kicked is if someone interferes. Like Naruto.)

[demons_halo]

Sasuke isn't as strong as you think he is, compared to some. he needs a power boost, and I think that may be where Madara comes in.


Not a bit. I believe that sauske still has 3 MS jutsu of his own to discover.

[uchiha-Kakashi]

I'm not a Sasuke hater. but I'm not really a Sasuke lover, either. not right now, anyways. (and I'm not fond of Hinata. enough with your assumptions.)

Sasuke, is predictable because his life has been ruled by hate. Revenge is his main reason for living right now, and Sasuke has always done whatever he thinks will give him better advantage to get his revenge. so, if you read ahead, Sasuke is somewhat predictable in these areas.

Sasuke isn't as strong as you think he is, compared to some. he needs a power boost, and I think that may be where Madara comes in.

Sasuke had a lot of problems with Bee, he barely escaped with his life, and lost some of his vision. since Raikage is as strong or stronger then Bee, Sasuke is (probably) gonna get his ass kicked. it's not because I hate him, it's because that's the probable outcome. ( and I say probable because the only way he doesn't get his as kicked is if someone interferes. Like Naruto.)
Remeber when Sasuke said that he doesn't need the 8-tails power because he thoght he had the power to destroy Konoha. We are going to if it is true or just bullshit.

[weehoo107]

Not a bit. I believe that sauske still has 3 MS jutsu of his own to discover.

wow, completely forgot about MS. way to go me :facepalm

However, I still think Madara will teach Sasuke something, even if he does just lecture him. it's still knowledge. like I said, if Sasuke does indeed fight Raikage, then he will probably go blind, and Madara will convince him to take Itachi's eyes. He probably won't need much convincing though. His revenge drives him to do anything... still, do you think he would take Itachi's eyes? just because he said he wouldn't doesn't mean he won't. he could see then, after all.


Remeber when Sasuke said that he doesn't need the 8-tails power because he thoght he had the power to destroy Konoha. We are going to if it is true or just bullshit.

don't get me wrong, he probably will obtain the power to destroy Konoha. He may have it now. but his performance up till now has been somewhat lacking. He may have the power, but he has not been displaying it well.

[uchiha-Kakashi]

wow, completely forgot about MS. way to go me :facepalm

However, I still think Madara will teach Sasuke something, even if he does just lecture him. it's still knowledge. like I said, if Sasuke does indeed fight Raikage, then he will probably go blind, and Madara will convince him to take Itachi's eyes. He probably won't need much convincing though. His revenge drives him to do anything... still, do you think he would take Itachi's eyes? just because he said he wouldn't doesn't mean he won't. he could see then, after all.



don't get me wrong, he probably will obtain the power to destroy Konoha. He may have it now. but his performance up till now has been somewhat lacking.

Does that mean that he will get Sussanoo if he takes Itachis eyes
[hr]

wow, completely forgot about MS. way to go me :facepalm

However, I still think Madara will teach Sasuke something, even if he does just lecture him. it's still knowledge. like I said, if Sasuke does indeed fight Raikage, then he will probably go blind, and Madara will convince him to take Itachi's eyes. He probably won't need much convincing though. His revenge drives him to do anything... still, do you think he would take Itachi's eyes? just because he said he wouldn't doesn't mean he won't. he could see then, after all.



don't get me wrong, he probably will obtain the power to destroy Konoha. He may have it now. but his performance up till now has been somewhat lacking. He may have the power, but he has not been displaying it well.
Be patient. He will prove that he is a UCHIHA

[weehoo107]

Does that mean that he will get Sussanoo if he takes Itachis eyes

no... Itachi said that Susann'o took root in his eyes along with Mangekyo...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/02/

if he takes Itachi's eyes, he'll get Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (EMS). he'll never go blind, and he'll get a completely new eye technique that we know nothing about :thumbs
that's my definition of a power up.




Be patient. He will prove that he is a UCHIHA

I shall wait for the day :nod
my idea of Sasuke proving he's an Uchiha would be him acting more like Itachi. in my eyes, Itachi is the Uchiha all Uchihas should model after. he would have made a great clan leader.

but now we're getting off topic.

[zerocooldx]

Madara likes to play games. Him appearing in front of Naruto and asking about Nagato is probably just him toying with Naruto. Pretty similar to what he did to Naruto when they first met as well.

His ultimate purpose in being there is probably to inform Naruto of what Sasuke is doing so that Naruto will act. In the end, this could get Naruto and Sasuke to fight. Sasuke will lose and be forced to take Itachis eyes... which is exactly what Madara wants him to do.

Sasuke won't take Itachi's eyes. Just like he didn't kill Naruto to obtain his Mangekyou Sharingan. He purposly did things his own way, which he has been doing the entire series. Hes the one that uses people and then in the end he cuts all ties with them. If there is one thing Sasuke despises is when people try to dictate what he is doing. And i think it's safe to say that Sasuke knows that Madara is trying to manipulate him. And if anything Madara is just trying to start a war, and having Konoha nin invade the Iron Village, especially since Danzo is under suspicion would not look very good. But hey if anything Naruto is the one that Madara is actually going to manipulate now. Especially considering the fact that the only reason Sasuke was with Akatsuki was because he wanted Danzo. But now Naruto is going to end up being Madara's little puppet and run straight into the Iron Village to "stop Sasuke" and in the process cause a huge mess.

[Therryaashan]

no... Itachi said that Susann'o took root in his eyes along with Mangekyo...


that said wat I have noticed is Susanno as such has nothing to do with Mangekyou though he got it on the very fateful day...Itachi proved it all along towards the end of the fight tht he didnt even need a sharingan to use Susannoo...tht gives me another hunch on wat ninjutsu he must have transferred to naruto...as naruto is one with no Sharingan and is one who is very weak against Genjutsu(which Itachi knows only too well) personally I feel Susanno must have been the technique he must have transferred over to Naruto as a self defense and at the same time a counter attack against Sasuke should the circumstance arise...it even makes sense why Itachi had hoped such a circumstance never arise tht being to force Sasuke into eternal genjutsu as was done with orochimaru...it also makes sense why Zetsu had mentioned oro had been in search for Susanno(the sword to be in precise) when oro himself didnt have a sharingan

[Black124C41]

Personaly I think Sasuke is being manipulated, very well in fact, by himself.

Madara is playing on Sasuke's hatred and desire for revenge and Sasuke himself is just falling deeper into a pit of his own twisted emotions, which in effect is what is compelling him onwards and onwards, where will he stop? will he ever be able to stop?

However yes, I agree Naruto will end up being manipulated by Madara but that is practicaly inevitable seeing as Naruto is the way he is, if he didn't rush to stop/save/whatever at the very mention of Sasuke he wouldn't be the same charcter.

[ashher]

Sasuke won't take Itachi's eyes. Just like he didn't kill Naruto to obtain his Mangekyou Sharingan. He purposly did things his own way, which he has been doing the entire series. Hes the one that uses people and then in the end he cuts all ties with them. If there is one thing Sasuke despises is when people try to dictate what he is doing. And i think it's safe to say that Sasuke knows that Madara is trying to manipulate him. And if anything Madara is just trying to start a war, and having Konoha nin invade the Iron Village, especially since Danzo is under suspicion would not look very good. But hey if anything Naruto is the one that Madara is actually going to manipulate now. Especially considering the fact that the only reason Sasuke was with Akatsuki was because he wanted Danzo. But now Naruto is going to end up being Madara's little puppet and run straight into the Iron Village to "stop Sasuke" and in the process cause a huge mess.

You got it right when you said Sasuke fancies himself to be the self-made man using others.
But that just makes him easier to manipulate.
Itachi toyed with him till he died and remember how sasuke bragged about seeing through all illusions with his eye.

Madara is real puppet master here and I don't think he is gonna find Sasuke much of a trouble.But manipulating naruto might gonna be quite a task,but still very much possible for him.

[weehoo107]

that said wat I have noticed is Susanno as such has nothing to do with Mangekyou though he got it on the very fateful day...Itachi proved it all along towards the end of the fight tht he didnt even need a sharingan to use Susannoo...tht gives me another hunch on wat ninjutsu he must have transferred to naruto...as naruto is one with no Sharingan and is one who is very weak against Genjutsu(which Itachi knows only too well) personally I feel Susanno must have been the technique he must have transferred over to Naruto as a self defense and at the same time a counter attack against Sasuke should the circumstance arise...it even makes sense why Itachi had hoped such a circumstance never arise tht being to force Sasuke into eternal genjutsu as was done with orochimaru...it also makes sense why Zetsu had mentioned oro had been in search for Susanno(the sword to be in precise) when oro himself didnt have a sharingan

I thought that by combining Tsukyomi and Ameteratsu Itachi developed Susann'o.

[zerocooldx]

You got it right when you said Sasuke fancies himself to be the self-made man using others.
But that just makes him easier to manipulate.
Itachi toyed with him till he died and remember how sasuke bragged about seeing through all illusions with his eye.

Madara is real puppet master here and I don't think he is gonna find Sasuke much of a trouble.But manipulating naruto might gonna be quite a task,but still very much possible for him.

Ok well Itachi manipulated pretty much everyone and anyone, hes the king puppeteer. And Naruto is far easier to manipulate than Sasuke. All you have to say is "Sasuke" and bam! Naruto is under your complete control. And as we have seen Sasuke has already become a headache for Madara. He hasen't done a single thing Madara has wanted him to do, unless you call wanting Danzo dead Madara's "wish". But Sasuke didn't "take" Itachi's eyes, he didn't "capture" the 8 tail, and now he left/betrayed Akatsuki. Not to mention the fact that he attacked Madara as well, and trusts him about as much as he trusts anyone else. So if anything Madara has probably given up on Sasuke and is going for Naruto now. And by manipulating Naruto he probably hopes to get closer to Sasuke himself.

[tatsudoshi]

I thought that by combining Tsukyomi and Ameteratsu Itachi developed Susann'o.

I thought all three of Itachis's MS techniques awoke within his eyes the day he killed Uchiha Shisui. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/02/

[Black124C41]

he didn't "capture" the 8 tail,.

I don't think you can count that, I mean Madara did get Sasuke to do it for him, he just didn't expect Sasuke to fail, I mean even Sasuke thourght he had captured him.

[tatsudoshi]

Ok well Itachi manipulated pretty much everyone and anyone, hes the king puppeteer. And Naruto is far easier to manipulate than Sasuke. All you have to say is "Sasuke" and bam! Naruto is under your complete control. And as we have seen Sasuke has already become a headache for Madara. He hasen't done a single thing Madara has wanted him to do, unless you call wanting Danzo dead Madara's "wish". But Sasuke didn't "take" Itachi's eyes, he didn't "capture" the 8 tail, and now he left/betrayed Akatsuki. Not to mention the fact that he attacked Madara as well, and trusts him about as much as he trusts anyone else. So if anything Madara has probably given up on Sasuke and is going for Naruto now. And by manipulating Naruto he probably hopes to get closer to Sasuke himself.

You contradicted yourself. If Madara had given on Sasuke, why then would he go out of his way in hopes of getting closer to Sasuke himself? This indicates that Madara in fact, has not given up on Sasuke and is just going about getting closer/gaining the trust of Sasuke through the manipulation of Naruto.

[zerocooldx]

You contradicted yourself. If Madara had given on Sasuke, why then would he go out of his way in hopes of getting closer to Sasuke himself?

Given up on directly trying to control/manipulate Sasuke. So now he will try to do it through another source, that being Naruto.

[firesalamander]

it even makes sense why Itachi had hoped such a circumstance never arise tht being to force Sasuke into eternal genjutsu as was done with orochimaru...it also makes sense why Zetsu had mentioned oro had been in search for Susanno(the sword to be in precise) when oro himself didnt have a sharingan

I think the sword and susanoo are separate things

Btw, does anyone think that Kakashi's and Madaras MS techniques are somewhat similar? As per Madara's is used on himself

[eternalshiva]

I think we're gonna see Naruto fall back into his hyper-overreactive ways. Gonna rush in, beat the shit out of things, fail and ask questions later.

Kishi is destroying all character development... starting with ignoring Hinata, turning Sakura back into a crying mess and Naruto, I guarantee, will be overtly emotional / crazed hearing about Sasuke.

And wtf. That shadow thing looks creepy as hell. What is that? IS that some MS move? I don;t see how that's Zetsu's / Madara control.

Almost looks like a tailed beast...

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

It looks like the kyuubi behind Sasuke.

[eternalshiva]

It looks like the kyuubi behind Sasuke.

Yeah I was about to say that but... How would the kyuubi end up there? Something's real weird. the beast lacks the slits though.

[Weapon_X]

I swear that "aura" thing behind Sasuke looks like the Black Zetsu for some reason. You can see those spikes things on the bottom of the pic, though it looks like the Kyuubi as well.

And is the Raikage using Raiton? It looks like Chidori Nagashi! FTW!

[Jadedmariner]

It looks like the kyuubi behind Sasuke.

I don't know. I look at it and am like 90% sure it is Zetsu.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I don't know. I look at it and am like 90% sure it is Zetsu.

Hmm the mouth doesn't match Zetsu though.

[eternalshiva]

Maybe Naruto's gone sage mode GPS and it manifests as a really messed up Kyuubi.

>.> I know, I'm grasping desperately.

[Weapon_X]

I don't know. I look at it and am like 90% sure it is Zetsu.

I agree, it does look like Zetsu. I mean, why would he have the Kyuubi behind Sasuke? It's not like the Kyuubi can control him or have any contact with him. Also you can see the outline of those spikes on the bottom of the pic as well, I think it really is Zetsu. Hence why Madara said to the black Zetsu "begin".

Also why didn't Madara just phase in and out <.< I bet he is just doing this on purpose to gain their trust. Though Kakashi looks like he was hesitating with the Chidori.

See the Raikage? Woah, he is using Raiton :) It would be cool if the Raikage has a better Raiton Jutsu then Sasuke.

[tatsudoshi]

Given up on directly trying to control/manipulate Sasuke. So now he will try to do it through another source, that being Naruto.

I figured that's what you meant to say.

So, we get the Raikage and his escorts confronting Sasuke at the end of the chapter, interesting. Will these two titans fight one another, or will this encounter be interrupted?

My guess is that they will end fighting, but not for very long and then the fight will be interrupted; but by whom? I'd say Naruto, hence why Madara is talking him and I bet that Madara informs Naruto of Sasuke's current predicament. But, alas, perhaps that is too much to expect; I mean the manga is called Naruto afterall and having him save Sasukes ass would definitely be epic.

Lets say Naruto does interrupt this encounter/fight, if and when Naruto and Sasuke end up fighting one another, I'd much prefer both combatants to be 100%. The point I'm making is that if Naruto ends up saving Sasuke, they will fight and I believe Sasuke will be at a disadvantage, which I don't want, because then Sasuke fan boys will use that as an excuse for him losing to Naruto.

[Mack]

Hell, is it kyubi or black zetsu, i can't recognise.

But it would be another surprise. We should start geting use to it. Kyubi controling sasuke, LOL!

[zerocooldx]

From the last spoiler picture it just looks like Sasuke is being Sasuke, although in a very serious and tense way. And that "shadow" thing is pretty much a reflection of Sasuke's hate. Also both Naruto's and Sasuke's eyes seem to be a little dark. I don't know what that is suppose to symbolize but its there. Also i love the FRS tattoo on the Raikage lolz.

[eternalshiva]

I have the feeling the manga is taking a much darker turn, which I've been waiting for :P The plot is definately getting more and more interesting.

I'll give Kishi that, he managed to surprise all of us with Madara showing up in front of Naruto, he must be really bothered by Pain's defeat.

He strikes me as the OCD type of guy, things - have - to go his way or he'll come looking for you. He's crazier then Nagato.

[Gats]

Hell, is it kyubi or black zetsu, i can't recognise.

But it would be another surprise. We should start geting use to it. Kyubi controling sasuke, LOL!

Kyuubi has fangs, not this guy in the shadow, besides how can it be this fox by the way ?

It's probably Zetsu.


From the last spoiler picture it just looks like Sasuke is being Sasuke, although in a very serious and tense way. And that "shadow" thing is pretty much a reflection of Sasuke's hate. Also both Naruto's and Sasuke's eyes seem to be a little dark. I don't know what that is suppose to symbolize but its there. Also i love the FRS tattoo on the Raikage lolz.

Yep I wonder what does that mean. Is Madara trying to push Naruto to hate Sasuke or something like that ?

It seems that Raikage family has a strong afinity with lighting.

[.Storm]

Source: AL
Verication: Confirmed

Italian Translation


Al summit.
Il Raikage prende Zetsu bianco per la gola e gli chiede dove sia Sasuke.
Zetsu: “Darti un indizio non potrà far male, suppongo”
Non appena Zetsu dice questa frase, la sua gola di rompe con un suono fragoroso. E’ forse morto?
La Mizukage dice: “Uccidere va oltre al limite”
A tutti viene ordinato di tenere sotto controllo l’Hokage mentre gli altri kage escono per andare alla ricerca di Sasuke.

Si passa a Naruto.
Madara arriva da Naruto mentre lui sta dormendo. Naruto se ne accorge e non appena Madara chiede se possono parlare, Naruto per risposta lo attacca con un Rasengan.

Kakashi e Yamato arrivano nella camera di Naruto e vedono Madara.

Madara: “Ero solo curioso di sapere come sei riuscito a far cambiare idea a Nagato e quindi sono venuto per chiedertelo”.
Naruto: “Non ha importanza come. Dimmi dove si trova Sasuke”.
Madara: “Come vuoi. Parliamo di Sasuke il quale è caduto negli abissi dell’oscurità del mondo degli shonobi, carico di odio e vendetta”.

Si cambia a Sasuke.
Senza alcuna esitazione Sasuke fa fuori i samurai che si mettendo davanti alla sua strada, ma notano qualcuno di strano attorno a loro.
Suigetsu nota anch’esso questo particolare e dice: “Perché mi hai detto di non uccidere, non è il motivo per il quale siamo qui ?”
Karin percepisce un inusuale “scuro” e “freddo” chakra pervenire da Sasuke e poi qualcuno con una massa enorme di chakra appare!!!
Il capitolo si conclude con Sasuke che si trova di fronte al Raikage e alle sue due guardie del corpo.

Second Italian Translation


Sul dorso del volume c’è Tsunade, sulla copertina ci sono Naruto e Sasuke (si affrontano, e gli occhi di Sasuke sono come quelli di un morto)

Il Raikage afferra Zetsu bianco al collo egli chiede: “Dov’è Sasuke?”
Zetsu bianco: Penso che non ci sia nulla di male a darvi un aiutino
Non appena dice questo, il collo di Zetsu viene spezzato, facendolo accasciare. Zetsu bianco è morto?
Il Mizukage dice: "Niente uccisioni!"

Agli altri viene ordinato di controllare l’Hokage, mentre il Raikage sfonda un muro e va a cercare Sasuke

Madara si reca nel posto dove Naruto sta dormendo e gli chiede: “Potremmo fare due chiacchiere?” Ma viene accolto all’instante con un Rasengan
Subito dopo appaiono Yamato e Kakashi che afferrano Madara
Sono venuto qui solo per parlare. Mi interessava sapere come sei riuscito a convertire Pain/Nagato
Naruto lo contro interroga: “Cosa più importante, cos’è successo a Sasuke?”
Va bene, ti racconterò come Sasuke Uchiha è caduto nell’oscurità, nell’odio e nella vendetta che non sono altro ciò di cui il mondo degli shinobi è fatto.

Sasuke senza esitazione uccide i samurai che stavano pattugliando la zona dopo ave notato qualcosa di strano
Suigetsu vede questo e dice: “Non mi avevi detto di non uccidere nessuno, e ora non lo stai facendo tu stesso?

Con la sua abilità karin avverte anche una strana oscurità e freddezza provenire da Sasuke
Una persona con una quantità di chakra così grande… *

Termina con il Raikage e i suoi due sottoposti che incontrano Sasuke



*Nell'altro spoiler la frase è invece tradotta
E poi qualcuno con una incredibile quantità di chakra appare...

[ashher]

It might be black Susanoo
[hr]
Sasuke is looking cool.
[hr]
Seems to be a chapter of pure good artwork.
Tobi is also looking so cool sitting there like damn-care.

[laughing@you]

Naruto in akatsuki.

wow that would be turn things around.

The reason i say this, is because last time madara said he wanted to talk, sasuke ended up joining akatsuki. Could it be madara is just trying to add another level of control to sasuke?

Will naruto join if madara makes the correct sale's pitch?

[ashher]

Heh there are other ways to use a person than recruiting him.That's prolly what Madara is trying to do

[laughing@you]

Could it be that sasuke is getting way out of control, even for madara?
[hr]

From the last spoiler picture it just looks like Sasuke is being Sasuke, although in a very serious and tense way. And that "shadow" thing is pretty much a reflection of Sasuke's hate. Also both Naruto's and Sasuke's eyes seem to be a little dark. I don't know what that is suppose to symbolize but its there. Also i love the FRS tattoo on the Raikage lolz.


It symbolize that they are under madara's jutsu!!:blink

:facepalm lol

[Black124C41]

Interesting. Very interesting.

I deffiently still hold the opinion that Sasuke is either under the control or being "compelled" by someone or something, or has completely lost it.

[Gats]

Could it be that sasuke is getting way out of control, even for madara?

No it's working fine for him, I'd not surprised that he pushed Sasuke there to kill or at least attack every kages, not only the Hokage despite Sasuke.

[Strider's♥Death]

Raikage is gonna open a can a of woop ass on sasuke. Sasuke better hope he lands Emoterasu or Tsukuyomi on him.

[Artuir]

All likely related to the "Moon's Eye Plan" spoken of in 453. Does Madara have a genjutsu comparable to Shisui's? It's so difficult to tell what's going on, but if things weren't like this it'd be boring. :)

[laughing@you]

All likely related to the "Moon's Eye Plan" spoken of in 453. Does Madara have a genjutsu comparable to Shisui's? It's so difficult to tell what's going on, but if things weren't like this it'd be boring. :)

Well the theory is that madara was controlling the mizukage, as per Ao he uncovered the ubber powerful jutsu the mizukage was under. Madara's omnipresence jutsu would allow him to keep the mizukage under his jutsu.

[Weapon_X]

I think Sasuke is going to freak out like the way Gaara did against Naruto. When Gaara lost against Naruto and was saying stuff like "Stay away from me! What do you want! You are a monster!" etc...I have a feeling that Sasuke is going to loose badly and just go out of control, like full retard, not quarter retard or half retard, full retard.

[zerocooldx]

Could it be that sasuke is getting way out of control, even for madara?
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It symbolize that they are under madara's jutsu!!:blink

:facepalm lol

lolz riiiight, and hey didn't i tell you that the Raikage would go ape-shit all over the Iron Village after he found out about Sasuke!? And again this is probably Madara using Naruto to try and get to Sasuke in another way. Seeing as the "direct" approach has failed miserably, mainly because Sasuke hasen't done anything successfully that Madara has asked of him. And we all know how easily manipulative Naruto becomes when you mention the name Sasuke. So looks like Naruto will run straight into the Iron Village, followed by Kakashi and Yamato and do "his thing". All the while the Hokage is under surveillance for what "he did", which will all result in a lot of good opinions about Konoha. And if someone attacks Naruto then Gaara will get involved and protet him. And then we will have a nice little mess full of combustible components. :o

[ameya730]

damn that looks like sasuke has got sage mode eyes nonetheless he looks like someone from DBZ came into naruto by mistake

[makko]

Could it be that sasuke is getting way out of control, even for madara?
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It symbolize that they are under madara's jutsu!!:blink

:facepalm lol

Maybe, but i doubt it. Sasuke is still too easily controlled. "go to the summit or fight me" ... "grr, ok". I think Madara is trying to figure Naruto out. I really do believe that Pain was not suppose to die.

Madara was ok with Pain not retrieving the Kyuubi... but dying wasn't even in his thought process. Especially needing him for that resurrection jutsu. I have a feeling the other half of the Kyuubi is in Madara. I've been saying it for a while but i think it is. That's probably the main reason they want the Kyuubi to be done last. Then Pain was suppose to bring him back to life after the extraction. Now he wants to know what Naruto might know. Naruto is the only wrinkle in his plan because he can't predict what Naruto will do. Naruto is bugging the hell out of Madara. He needs to understand him... as well as maybe tell him some things that might screw with his head.

[ameya730]

Maybe, but i doubt it. Sasuke is still too easily controlled. "go to the summit or fight me" ... "grr, ok". I think Madara is trying to figure Naruto out. I really do believe that Pain was not suppose to die.

Madara was ok with Pain not retrieving the Kyuubi... but dying wasn't even in his thought process. Especially needing him for that resurrection jutsu. I have a feeling the other half of the Kyuubi is in Madara. I've been saying it for a while but i think it is. That's probably the main reason they want the Kyuubi to be done last. Then Pain was suppose to bring him back to life after the extraction. Now he wants to know what Naruto might know. Naruto is the only wrinkle in his plan because he can't predict what Naruto will do. Naruto is bugging the hell out of Madara. He needs to understand him... as well as maybe tell him some things that might screw with his head.

thats a damn good theory and if it comes true then it means we would probably see the rinnegan sometime in the near future since madara needs it to come back to life

[DEATHBOTT]

lolz riiiight, and hey didn't i tell you that the Raikage would go ape-shit all over the Iron Village after he found out about Sasuke!? And again this is probably Madara using Naruto to try and get to Sasuke in another way. Seeing as the "direct" approach has failed miserably, mainly because Sasuke hasen't done anything successfully that Madara has asked of him. And we all know how easily manipulative Naruto becomes when you mention the name Sasuke. So looks like Naruto will run straight into the Iron Village, followed by Kakashi and Yamato and do "his thing". All the while the Hokage is under surveillance for what "he did", which will all result in a lot of good opinions about Konoha. And if someone attacks Naruto then Gaara will get involved and protet him. And then we will have a nice little mess full of combustible components. :o

that would be awsome if naruto gaara and sasuke work togather to fight the raikage mizukage and tschikage. All i know is shit is gonna hit the fan.

i dont like sasukes short sleaved outfit, i miss his akstsuki robe, why did kishi give both naruto and sasuke awsome outfits and then take them away after one fight.

they black things eyes reminds me of naruto 4tailed form eyes but that wouldnt make any sense. if it is black zetsu shouldnt it have one eye? i think it is something new that tobi somehow knew about already, 10 tails:o

[midman]

I have a feeling the other half of the Kyuubi is in Madara. I've been saying it for a while but i think it is. That's probably the main reason they want the Kyuubi to be done last. Then Pain was suppose to bring him back to life after the extraction. Now he wants to know what Naruto might know.

Wonderful theory, many praises. Never thought of it, but it seems to be very likely...

If it is like this, maybe Madara will try to reach a truce with Naruto. Or he really will try to understand Naruto's motives. His speech is looking like "I know what You know, wanna hear more of it?"

[juUnior]

Actually right now it looks as a quite good chapter.. I like 3 things, really:

- Raikage and a neck of Zetsu = pro <3<3 <I think now, that Raikage is the best candidate for some alliance, if there will be any>
- Madara and his "talking" - man, his so old and yet he didn't witness anything similar to Naruto's "friend no jutsu"? : O
- Raikage on the panel with some raiton on his body? Man, it's looks awesome.

What I don't like: Sasuke will have another fight with some another superb character? I don't like that vision at all, his got too much screen.. mangatime on fights. If there will be fight Sasuke vs Raikage, I'm somewhat dissapointed : ( <on the other hand, I like probably the raiton all over Raikage in his battle position, so ont he other hand seeing someone, who probably is the "better god of lightining" wooping the ass of "god of lightning" = more epic jutsu from raiton arsenal? That sounds:
1. awesome
2. zero elemental advantages in that one particular nature chakra element
Somewhat epic xd>
Still, I can't wait for full chap.

[Yusaku Jon 3]

It's probably Zetsu. I'm willing to go with that. Zetsu can't be a pushover if he practically has the job as Madara's right-hand man. :shifty

It's looking like a good chapter. The manga seems to be stepping things up in scale as Kagecon gets interrupted. Maybe Kishimoto will have a few more surpises to throw at us as we go along. :oh

[THM Nindo]

Some stuff to say :

1.
No Sakura this week :(

2.
What the hell is this thing behind Sasuke!? Is this the shadow that Karin was talking about, or is it the massive chakra!?

3.
Sasuke doesn't look like himself in the last picture, looks more like a Saiyan-like power-up (and I don't like it!!)

4.
Zetsu is probably not dead. I mean, come on...
Even the Kage are stupid to think that he's dead...
Could they really think that an Akatsuki member could be killed that easily... (unless Zetsu doesn't care about his clone and will just create a new White Zetsu)

5.
Madara clearly wanted to be captured. He didn't even try to resist. I wonder what he wants...
My guess : he will tell Naruto the story about Itachi and the Uchiha massacre (and that will reenforce his will to save Sasuke and will decrease his trust in the village of Konoha).

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I think we'll have Team Kakashi vs Madara and not a really short one, with more jutsus even some from Madara.

[Smokes]

damn that looks like sasuke has got sage mode eyes nonetheless he looks like someone from DBZ came into naruto by mistake

That image behind him reminds me of D Grayman. Like he's being controlled by that same entity that is in Allen....a Noah?

Madara just showed up in Naruto's room all kicked back like he was invited for a sleep over or something. Looks like the idea of being actually hurt is of absolutely no concern to him at all. Like he's just playing around.

[juUnior]

2.
What the hell is this thing behind Sasuke!? Is this the shadow that Karin was talking about, or is it the massive chakra!?
Yes, intriguing. On the other hand I don't like any comparisons, but I also had an idea aka Bleach style with one of the main protagonist fight with some psycho <without spoilers> And that "villain" at the time had something like "aura" with skeleton behind or sth like that the main hero, so.. I thought here about Raikage and sth similar :p <but it's rather joke>


Madara clearly wanted to be captured. He didn't even try to resist. I wonder what he wants...
He said that he wants to talk :p

[nianiote]

When he's done talking with Naruto,
Madara will teleport as easily as he escaped Shino's bugs cloud.

[zerocooldx]

Well apparently Karin says something along the lines of Sasuke posessing "great chakra". Much like the Kyuubi (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/03/) said about Sasuke when they first met. And also that "killer instinct" is most likely the same as it was here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/351/12-13/). So this isen't Sasuke being "controlled" by anyone, it's just Sasuke "letting loose" sort of speak.

[ameya730]

this would have been the ideal time for kakashi and yamato to unmask madara they should have atleast tried

i guess this puts things into perspective kyubbi warning to sasuke not to kill naruto sasuke finally having the sinister chakra that kyubii mentioned

looks like naruto is going to save sasuke and bring him back from the dark side

[jaymizzo]

Well apparently Karin says something along the lines of Sasuke posessing "great chakra". Much like the Kyuubi (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/03/) said about Sasuke when they first met. And also that "killer instinct" is most likely the same as it was here (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/351/12-13/). So this isen't Sasuke being "controlled" by anyone, it's just Sasuke "letting loose" sort of speak.

It would be annoying if sasuke had a demon in him, or some sort of fukd up monster or power... it would really piss me off....

[misterchaos]

It would be annoying if sasuke had a demon in him, or some sort of fukd up monster or power... it would really piss me off....

yeah that would be suprising, sasuke being a pseudo-jinchuuriken, hahahahha :XD

[jaymizzo]

yeah that would be suprising, sasuke being a pseudo-jinchuuriken, hahahahha :XD

lets not give people ideas... lol We dont want people trolling in the forum saying stuff abt sasuke being a Pj..lol

[ameya730]

yeah that would be suprising, sasuke being a pseudo-jinchuuriken, hahahahha :XD

dude please dont mention something like this again it reminds too much of the worst arc in the history of naruto the *shudders*sora arc *shudders*:closed

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

It would be annoying if sasuke had a demon in him, or some sort of fukd up monster or power... it would really piss me off....

Yeah, it would be equivalent of Naruto with the Sharingan.

[-Ren Boy-]

It would be annoying if sasuke had a demon in him, or some sort of fukd up monster or power... it would really piss me off....

Well looking at it religously Sasuke has got lots of spiritual demons in him. The demons are the ones who are tempting Sasuke to do all of this and maybe Kishi just wants to emphasize it, that Sasuke has demons in him.

Demons=Evil...

^^just saying

[makko]

Wonderful theory, many praises. Never thought of it, but it seems to be very likely...

If it is like this, maybe Madara will try to reach a truce with Naruto. Or he really will try to understand Naruto's motives. His speech is looking like "I know what You know, wanna hear more of it?"

Thanks, i started thinking of it back when Madara was telling Sasuke about his "amazing chakras" and when we started hearing that the Kyuubi had to be last. Kishi has a million options but this just has seemed the most likely to me so far.

Yea and seems like Zetsu was at that fight as well. Cause if he wasn't he wouldn't know that Naruto convinced Pain of anything as oppose to just beating him... which he also did. Maybe he will try to present some kind of truce... although i think it'll be a fake one.

[eternalshiva]

It would be annoying if sasuke had a demon in him, or some sort of fukd up monster or power... it would really piss me off....

lawlorocurseseal.

If naruto accepts the truce from the man he KNOWS killed his father and KNOWS is manipulating Sasuke, manipulated Pain - I'm losing all respect for him.

and he KNOWS the masked akatsuki guy wants him dead and take his bijuu.

Kishi can't possibly reduce his main hero to a complete fucking retard. If he does, he's totally ignored all character development. everything.

I'm throwing the book if he does. I swear to god D:

[Lego_Man]

Well ppl are saying that Sasuke's being controlled by madara..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/18/

Madara says that Sasuke is not good for them if he can't control him.. but if he had that mind controllling jutsu, why would he say that anyways.. it doesn't make sense.. unless there were some circumstances in which this so called "control jutsu" can be used.. I dunno...

[ameya730]

raikage looks all charged up for the fight (sorry for the awful pun but just had to get it out of my system)

its kinda ironical how the fighting styles of naruto and sasuke have been in part 1 naruto was the kind of person who would rush into a fight and get beaten up or saved by someone else and sasuke would be all strategy and stuff and now in part two its been the exact opposite with sasuke doing what naruto did and vice verse

i wonder if this deliberately done by kishi or just is a coincidence

cause his forthcoming fight with the raikage it seems like sasuke is just attacking mindlessly

if raikage indeed knows chidori nagashi it would be interesting to see from who he learned it cause kakashi and sasuke are the only ones who know chidori till now

[piscesking]

to me it looks like "Kyuubi"

[Lego_Man]

to me it looks like "Kyuubi"

If it's anything like the Kyubbi, its 4 tails only.. so I wouldn't say that really.. why would it be 4 tails if he has seen kyubbi himself

Is as mysterious as it looks, nothing can be said about it right now

[Destined_One]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/

Could this be the shadow behind Sasuke? Many have mentioned this, and after seeing the spoiler pic, I think it could be entirely possible. Maybe the spirit of the MS or something like that begins to possess those who over use it. With Sasuke's own hatred it has accelerated the process. Even once Madara lost his sight he took the eyes of his brother, and is now some psycho who wants world domination. And it could also explain why Itachi was willing to go as far as he did. I mean killing your family for peace is pretty extreme. However maybe Sasuke was the one who bought him back, and he has suppressed the craving for power bought about by whatever this so called being is. Maybe Homemade_Nindo is right, this may actually be the tengou king?

[juUnior]

yeah that would be suprising, sasuke being a pseudo-jinchuuriken, hahahahha
Actually he should know how to be a "pseudo-jinchuuriki"; back then with CS and Orochimaru in him he had all the traits to be somewhat called jinchuuriki <Oro was in him xd> After the fight with DeiDei-chan he had some regenerative abilities of white snake, and during Sasuke vs Itachi fight he even had the inner voice of the demon.. I mean Oro to release him and everything would be fine. Sounds familiar, isn't it? xD

[capri86]

I can't wait till kakashi asks him, "So you're uchiha madara after all aren't you?".... I'm excited to hear what madara has to say when he realises that they know who he is, but it wouldn't be of any importance because right now nobody is capable of beating him because no one knows his abilities properly to form a successful strategy~
Times like this, I wish the 1st hokage was still around~

[Lego_Man]

Has anyone noticed that in this chapter particulary the characters look as they've had eye-lined their eyes?:blink especially naruto and sasuke


http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/naruto460-o.jpg?w=200http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/naruto460-k.jpg?w=200


Does that mean something?.. :S

[ashher]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/

Could this be the shadow behind Sasuke? Many have mentioned this, and after seeing the spoiler pic, I think it could be entirely possible. Maybe the spirit of the MS or something like that begins to possess those who over use it. With Sasuke's own hatred it has accelerated the process. Even once Madara lost his sight he took the eyes of his brother, and is now some psycho who wants world domination. And it could also explain why Itachi was willing to go as far as he did. I mean killing your family for peace is pretty extreme. However maybe Sasuke was the one who bought him back, and he has suppressed the craving for power bought about by whatever this so called being is. Maybe Homemade_Nindo is right, this may actually be the tengou king?

Interesting theory.However the shadow thing does not look like the monster thing on those two pages.
Also if your theory is right then shouldn't such thing appear with a connection to transplant,not a mere fight?I mean that minster thing was shown only when sharingan transplant among uchihas was being discussed.Appearance of that very thing right now in a normal fight feels kinda out of place and irrelevent.

[ameya730]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/

Could this be the shadow behind Sasuke? Many have mentioned this, and after seeing the spoiler pic, I think it could be entirely possible. Maybe the spirit of the MS or something like that begins to possess those who over use it. With Sasuke's own hatred it has accelerated the process. Even once Madara lost his sight he took the eyes of his brother, and is now some psycho who wants world domination. And it could also explain why Itachi was willing to go as far as he did. I mean killing your family for peace is pretty extreme. However maybe Sasuke was the one who bought him back, and he has suppressed the craving for power bought about by whatever this so called being is. Maybe Homemade_Nindo is right, this may actually be the tengou king?

but that would mean that kakashi would also start showing these symptoms (for lack of better word) sooner or later

or maybe because he is not a true uchiha he is unaffected

[ashher]

Has anyone noticed that in this chapter particulary the characters look as they've had eye-lined their eyes?:blink especially naruto and sasuke


http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/naruto460-o.jpg?w=200http://edgarluvitug001.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/naruto460-k.jpg?w=200


Does that mean something?.. :S

Are you hinting that is a side-effect/symptom of being controlled by Madara?

[anrufen]

lawlorocurseseal.

If naruto accepts the truce from the man he KNOWS killed his father and KNOWS is manipulating Sasuke, manipulated Pain - I'm losing all respect for him.

and he KNOWS the masked akatsuki guy wants him dead and take his bijuu.

Kishi can't possibly reduce his main hero to a complete fucking retard. If he does, he's totally ignored all character development. everything.

I'm throwing the book if he does. I swear to god D:

Madara didnt kill Minato i think!!! Minato did engage madara, but as a last resort had to settle with sealing kyuubi!

[whiteTiga2k]

the story is REALLY taking a turn here... i don't think anyone expected madara turning up to face naruto like that! hahaha still doesn't give a crap about naruto! hahaha but then again... his madara! hahaha

naruto will need to need to learn to control Kyuubi... master sage mode all the time... and his dads space time movement... to have a chance against madara

[Destined_One]

yea Ive read this theory else where just seeing the shadow in the spoiler thread made me remember it. I don't think its actually visible to those around him, but it is something within Sasuke.

[Lego_Man]

Are you hinting that is a side-effect/symptom of being controlled by Madara?

Perhaps.. or perhaps it's because the characters are going through a lot of stress.. or maybe kishi decided to make them look "dark" I dunno man:eyeroll

[laughing@you]

lolz riiiight, and hey didn't i tell you that the Raikage would go ape-shit all over the Iron Village after he found out about Sasuke!? And again this is probably Madara using Naruto to try and get to Sasuke in another way. Seeing as the "direct" approach has failed miserably, mainly because Sasuke hasen't done anything successfully that Madara has asked of him. And we all know how easily manipulative Naruto becomes when you mention the name Sasuke. So looks like Naruto will run straight into the Iron Village, followed by Kakashi and Yamato and do "his thing". All the while the Hokage is under surveillance for what "he did", which will all result in a lot of good opinions about Konoha. And if someone attacks Naruto then Gaara will get involved and protet him. And then we will have a nice little mess full of combustible components. :o

Well madara sensed sasuke wanted out of akatsuki, so his pulling all the stops to try and keep him. I guess in this case trying to use naruto.

If that jutsu Ao was talking about works, naruto's long exposure to madara might changed are beloved hero without anybody noticing whats going on.

[Weapon_X]

Are we really going to see another Cloud nin whooping Sasuke's ass again? Oh yes we are! :tem Cloud are really interesting, I want to see what Raiton Jutsus the Raikage has. From the looks of it, it looks he is covering himself with it like armour. Anyway, the Sasuke V Raikage(as expected) fight is heating up now, the battle royale is coming closer and closer. :tem

[chess4]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/

Could this be the shadow behind Sasuke? Many have mentioned this, and after seeing the spoiler pic, I think it could be entirely possible. Maybe the spirit of the MS or something like that begins to possess those who over use it. With Sasuke's own hatred it has accelerated the process. Even once Madara lost his sight he took the eyes of his brother, and is now some psycho who wants world domination. And it could also explain why Itachi was willing to go as far as he did. I mean killing your family for peace is pretty extreme. However maybe Sasuke was the one who bought him back, and he has suppressed the craving for power bought about by whatever this so called being is. Maybe Homemade_Nindo is right, this may actually be the tengou king?


maybe its the tengu king like you said, but whatever it is, its the same thing thats behind itachi and madara in those picks. im sure it has to to do with extreme emotions. the only people so far that has had it is madara who hated the senju and the leaf and itachi who wanted to save his bro, and know sasuke for what the elders did to itachi. im sure thats the reason the 9 tails said the uchiha were a cursed clan.

if whatever that is in turns gives sasuke more power then he a naruto will be exactly the same

[eternalshiva]

but that would mean that kakashi would also start showing these symptoms (for lack of better word) sooner or later

or maybe because he is not a true uchiha he is unaffected


During the Itachi / Sasuke battle, itachi said something along the lines that the eye transfer EMS and its abilities could only happen within the clan / Uchiha.

Kakashi will not be affected by the eye since he's not Uchiha and he can't attain EMS.

From my understanding anyways. Kishi's full of breaking his own rules lately.

EDIT: anyways I'm off topic D: I think the eyes in that chapter are just lined darkly, seems to happen alot lately. I don;t think there's any meaning to it.

EDIT - by unleashing the Kyuubi on the village and forcing Minato to commit suicide by sealing the Kyuubi inside Naruto, Madara is a direct cause of his death. There was no other option offered to Minato to avoid death even if it was by his choice. It was a forced choice: Me or village.

[benelori]

I's still wondering about that shadow thing. Karin is a talented chakra sensor, so i think she sees something related to killing intent. And if sasuke is gathering his sinister chakra full of killing intent then I really believe we might see that thing he wants to test, at least that's what i like to think.

We saw back in part 1 when naruto battled sasuke, naruto was getting enveloped by kyuubi chakra, and while this was happening sasuke saw with his sharingan the silhouette of kyuubi which was in fact the chakra's killing intent.

So IMO these two situations resemble and sasuke will show us something terribly evil

[misterchaos]

I's still wondering about that shadow thing. Karin is a talented chakra sensor, so i think she sees something related to killing intent. And if sasuke is gathering his sinister chakra full of killing intent then I really believe we might see that thing he wants to test, at least that's what i like to think.

We saw back in part 1 when naruto battled sasuke, naruto was getting enveloped by kyuubi chakra, and while this was happening sasuke saw with his sharingan the silhouette of kyuubi which was in fact the chakra's killing intent.

So IMO these two situations resemble and sasuke will show us something terribly evil

i think karin only sees the chage of sasuke's chakra, sasuke now ha only one chakra that his...

[eternalshiva]

Seems to be the sinister chakra Kyuubi mentioned, the kind of chakra even the Kyuubi is weary of.

Interesting.

[Mythsoul]

Are we really going to see another Cloud nin whooping Sasuke's ass again? Oh yes we are! :tem Cloud are really interesting, I want to see what Raiton Jutsus the Raikage has. From the looks of it, it looks he is covering himself with it like armour. Anyway, the Sasuke V Raikage(as expected) fight is heating up now, the battle royale is coming closer and closer. :tem

hmmmmm that would be awesome......and I just saw the movie....battle royale....hopefully Kishi takes a few pointers from that....hehehe.....but that dark shadow.....could it be the final jutsu of hte MS........control of people.....who knows......and where the hell is Dark Zetzu....his ohter half just got snapped like a toothpick

[Darth Executor]

I's still wondering about that shadow thing. Karin is a talented chakra sensor, so i think she sees something related to killing intent. And if sasuke is gathering his sinister chakra full of killing intent then I really believe we might see that thing he wants to test, at least that's what i like to think.

We saw back in part 1 when naruto battled sasuke, naruto was getting enveloped by kyuubi chakra, and while this was happening sasuke saw with his sharingan the silhouette of kyuubi which was in fact the chakra's killing intent.

So IMO these two situations resemble and sasuke will show us something terribly evil

I sure hope so (in particular, I hope it's his third MS technique), I don't want to see Susanoo again TBH. It's a damn cool jutsu, probably the strongest we've seen in the manga so far, but leave Itachi's uber jutsu as something unique to him.
[hr]

hmmmmm that would be awesome......and I just saw the movie....battle royale....hopefully Kishi takes a few pointers from that....hehehe.....but that dark shadow.....could it be the final jutsu of hte MS........control of people.....who knows......and where the hell is Dark Zetzu....his ohter half just got snapped like a toothpick

The shadow does look similar to Dark Zetsu. Black, round eyes, and the tendrils are there.

[xXan]

Seems to be the sinister chakra Kyuubi mentioned, the kind of chakra even the Kyuubi is weary of.

Interesting.

Hmm... intresting. Perhaps the Uchiha got some super sinister chakra that can control the kyuubi and also make them immortal(Madara) but not all of them got it that powerfull.

The way Kyuubi said it the first time Sasuke got to see him it apears only Madara and Sasuke has 'that" chakra.

To bad the first hokage is not around to kick Madara's ass again :D

[Wrouf]

for me, what is explaining Karin about sasuke's chakra reminds me Gaara in the first part of Naruto, just like he wants to kill but also he have to kill.

[makko]

Are we really going to see another Cloud nin whooping Sasuke's ass again? Oh yes we are! :tem Cloud are really interesting, I want to see what Raiton Jutsus the Raikage has. From the looks of it, it looks he is covering himself with it like armour. Anyway, the Sasuke V Raikage(as expected) fight is heating up now, the battle royale is coming closer and closer. :tem

yea it'll be a good fight if they do get to go at it. Being that he from the "cloud"... i'm guessing he has a jutsu way more powerful than the one Sasuke used against Itachi when he controlled the thunder.