Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[-Ren Boy-]

why do people think danzou is madara? cuz ppl like making conspiracies

because there was a reasonable amount of evidence for the Danzou=madara (i did not believe it)

People are basing it off one panel and a false script they read in the spoiler thread last week

[zerocooldx]

Why can't people stick with the idea that Kishi was trying to emphasize that Sasuke is evil now, and he is in the hands of the "devil" UNTIL anything else is stated.

Well if there is one thing that Kishi is doing is giving a very good sense of both sides of the fence. And obviously hes trying to relay the message that not everything is so black or white.

[Yondaime Uzumaki]

nice but im pretty sure he trusted in his chidori blade too much. if u continue on with the chapter he can dodge his attacks until the 8tails comes in to play.

that's not a fair assessment. his weapons were stuck in Sasuke, so he never used them again. Sasuke was just outmatched. you can't say killerbee's speed wasn't a problem because sasuke would've already been dead in a fair fight. even if you assume that sasuke relied too heavily on his chidori, it would still be irrelevant because you still wouldn't be hit if speed wasn't a problem.

[Googlez_kun]

What the hell is up with Sasuke??
is he in the final emo stage now?
i mean he is suddenly killing people,he has never done that actually,though it's kind of good seeing sasuke as a real villain now...
eventhough i have to admit that he is a bit too naive,heading for the raikage like that is just dumb!!!it looks like he's on steroids:oh

[br4nd0nh347]

I think the shape behind Sasuke is a representation of how sinister and avengeful he feels. But somethink tells me the "flesh" he recieved from Juugo might also have an affect on him. Like how Juugo can go totally mad F Cking insane, it might affect Sasuke in the same way. But yeah more a symbol so far as how i see it.

But earlier on Sasuke said that he had a new power, strong enough to wreck Konoha. After the Killerbee fight. Maybe this has something to do with it? Or maybe its Juugo insanity thats on him?

I think regardless of anything Sasuke is a lot stronger from then. Juugo did something to him and from their comments I think they know.
We also know that Kyuubi knows that Sasuke has sinister chakra, I never believed it much until now. Maybe it's finally really coming out.
Edit: Looking at this
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/09/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/10/
maybe that's what Sasuke will go through and eventually obtain his brother's eyes.

Sasuke is probably going through the same thing.

[Muhbaer]

I think that the mistery "thing" behind Sasuke, is actually just his killer intent. Remeber, he was healed by Juugo's Cursed Seal, this could very well be a side effect. It also looked as if Juugo recognized something after Sasuke killed the samurai.

that is a very nice idea!
what if sasuke now gained juugo's rampage sickness? *thumbsup* would be a nice twist imo. better than anyone controlling sasuke

[apainlessend]

Not true, there is no 8-tails until AFTER the mass stabbing of Sasuke.

His sharingan is good but it is tested against opponents as strong as these.

KillerBee was probably on par with Raikage, and we all saw what happened to Sasuke TWICE...he was dead.

I stand by my prediction that Raikage will dominate the fight but will draw on a technicality in one of the next couple of chapters.

Also, lets not forget that the 8 tails told Killer Bee, "Why did you summon me, you could beat these weaklings without me!!"

He wasnt jsut talking about sasuke...
Killa bee wanted to escape from Raikage..
And apparently he couldnt do it on his own...

Plus Kirabee said that only Raikage could stop his bull attack..


and as far as SPeed??
Dude Zetsu can disappear into the ground, yet Raikage got his his ass, and ZETSU even points out how fast he is....


You know what????????

I am willing to bet that Zetsu killed those samurai...
Its about to be Sasuke -vs- Raikage, but then Zetsu is gonna step in..
Watch.

[Hachigeneral]

Boy oh boy are you ever in for a rude awakening. Especially since your entire point is being held up by your obvious hate for Sasuke lolz. Sasuke is the man character 1-B, Naruto being 1-A. And just like Naruto hasen't lost a battle neither will Sasuke.

My entire point is that Sasuke is not Raikage level and therefore should lose. In other anime the weaker characters don't just stomp the strongest out of nowhere.

Ya know something, Sasuke lost plenty of times before. Killer Bee beat him twice and Sasuke would be dead without outside interference. That fight was like 4v1 and Sasuke was getting owned to near death. Heh...and hes supposed to beat someone STRONGER than Killer Bee 1v1? Goodluck.

[Radlic]

Imo he'll just lose, then explain whole danzo-uchiha situation, and thefore danzo'll be owned

[Mangakotlar]

My entire point is that Sasuke is not Raikage level and therefore should lose. In other anime the weaker characters don't just stomp the strongest out of nowhere.

Ya know something, Sasuke lost plenty of times before. Killer Bee beat him twice and Sasuke would be dead without outside interference. That fight was like 4v1 and Sasuke was getting owned to near death. Heh...and hes supposed to beat someone STRONGER than Killer Bee 1v1? Goodluck.

Welcome back to real life, where Naruto is a fantasy cartoon :eyeroll

And it was never said that Raikage was stronger that Killerbee. It'd be fairly rediculous for that to be true. You're telling me that Killer Bee, who is probably just under the skill level of Raikage w/o Demon shroud, is somehow beaten when he dons the body & chakra of a mythical chakra beast eclipsed only by the Kyuubi? It'd be like saying that because Orochimaru was far stronger that Naruto in 3 tail mode, he could kick his ass in full Kyuubi release :blink

And Sasuke has already demonstrated himself to be on Kage level. He fockin took down the 8-tail. That was something that any of the Akatsuki teams would have trouble with, sans possibly Pain full power or Kisame + Itachi. The fact that Sasuke, with almost NO battle experience was able to do this, despite the fact that killerbee disguised himself as a freakin' tentacle and ran away (plot-hole-no JUTSU WAAAH!:facepalm), should indicate that not only is he AT Kage level (for who but the strongest could take down the 8 tail), but his latent potential is far beyond that, owing to his relative lack of experience, and complete inexperience with the Mangkyo.

[jdw]

My entire point is that Sasuke is not Raikage level and therefore should lose. In other anime the weaker characters don't just stomp the strongest out of nowhere.

Ya know something, Sasuke lost plenty of times before. Killer Bee beat him twice and Sasuke would be dead without outside interference. That fight was like 4v1 and Sasuke was getting owned to near death. Heh...and hes supposed to beat someone STRONGER than Killer Bee 1v1? Goodluck.

Also add in that Naruto lost to Sasuke, so Naruto is not unbeaten. The sound 4 beat Sasuke, and Lee beat him as well. But that isn't really the topic anyway. It is going to be an interesting fight. I am not calling it for either side because we have only seen raikage breaks walls, floors, and necks.

[gold349]

My entire point is that Sasuke is not Raikage level and therefore should lose. In other anime the weaker characters don't just stomp the strongest out of nowhere.

Ya know something, Sasuke lost plenty of times before. Killer Bee beat him twice and Sasuke would be dead without outside interference. That fight was like 4v1 and Sasuke was getting owned to near death. Heh...and hes supposed to beat someone STRONGER than Killer Bee 1v1? Goodluck.


I agree BEE was a problem and Raikage is going to be difficult too though this new Sasuke isn't going to be like he was against BEE. Sasuke isn't going to die that's a given, he will survive one way or another. At max power, fully healed both parties should give us a great kage level fight and its never been stated or hinted that Raikage is stronger than BEE.

Its not fair IMO to rubbish Sasuke/Takka against BEE, we know capturing/detaining someone alive isn't the same at all from straight out trying to kill the opponent. Takka/Sasuke mission was to capture BEE alive, who knows how it would have went if it had been to kill from the start also IMO it was done so the 8tail jin was shown to be something as he has a role to play as current situations has all to do with him. Don't get me wrong BEE was very strong and Sasuke hurt/injured still was his toughest opponent to date who knows if this thought included his brother as they have also sparred.

[Hachigeneral]

And it was never said that Raikage was stronger that Killerbee. It'd be fairly rediculous for that to be true. You're telling me that Killer Bee, who is probably just under the skill level of Raikage w/o Demon shroud, is somehow beaten when he dons the body & chakra of a mythical chakra beast eclipsed only by the Kyuubi? It'd be like saying that because Orochimaru was far stronger that Naruto in 3 tail mode, he could kick his ass in full Kyuubi release :blink

And Sasuke has already demonstrated himself to be on Kage level. He fockin took down the 8-tail. That was something that any of the Akatsuki teams would have trouble with, sans possibly Pain full power or Kisame + Itachi. The fact that Sasuke, with almost NO battle experience was able to do this, despite the fact that killerbee disguised himself as a freakin' tentacle and ran away (plot-hole-no JUTSU WAAAH!:facepalm), should indicate that not only is he AT Kage level (for who but the strongest could take down the 8 tail), but his latent potential is far beyond that, owing to his relative lack of experience, and complete inexperience with the Mangkyo.

Sasuke did not beat Killer Bee...his entire team did. Killer Bee was obviously stronger than him in that fight. I recall seeing Sasuke LOSE to Killer bee twice 1v1 and as a group they all would have lost if Suigetsu didnt play human shield and save them all. Not only did Sasuke lose but he got pretty much one-shotted both times...wasn't even a close fight.

Yeah, he Amatarasu'ed him but I don't think he would have gotten that far without the extra lives and teamwork, sorry. Definitely can not solo the eight tales at this point in the manga. He did not even beat the guy because Killer Bee tricked him and faked his own defeat...

Raikage is obviously stronger than Killer Bee. He wouldn't go after Sasuke if he was weaker than Killer Bee because there would be no point. Killer Bee would be their Kage if Raikage was a weak so people need to accept that he is not fodder and has importance to the storyline.

Why would there be a meeting with Naruto about revenge if Raikage is going to get stomped? He is going to beat Sasuke to an inch of his life then something will stop him, maybe he will think about the cycle of hate that Naruto warned him about...maybe not.

[jdw]

Sasuke did not beat Killer Bee...his entire team did. Killer Bee was obviously stronger than him in that fight. I recall seeing Sasuke LOSE to Killer bee twice 1v1 and as a group they all would have lost if Suigetsu didnt play human shield and save them all. Not only did Sasuke lose but he got pretty much one-shotted both times...wasn't even a close fight.

Yeah, he Amatarasu'ed him but I don't think he would have gotten that far without the extra lives and teamwork, sorry. Definitely can not solo the eight tales at this point in the manga. He did not even beat the guy because Killer Bee tricked him and faked his own defeat...

Raikage is obviously stronger than Killer Bee. He wouldn't go after Sasuke if he was weaker than Killer Bee because there would be no point. Killer Bee would be their Kage if Raikage was a weak so people need to accept that he is not fodder and has importance to the storyline.

Why would there be a meeting with Naruto about revenge if Raikage is going to get stomped? He is going to beat Sasuke to an inch of his life then something will stop him, maybe he will think about the cycle of hate that Naruto warned him about...maybe not.

It is rather absurd to say that Raikage would only go after Sasuke (who he thinks beat Bee) if he were himself stronger than Bee. Raikage may or may not be stronger than Bee, but even if he was weaker, as the Raikage and as the brother of Bee, he could feel compelled to fight Sasuke. Additionally, even if he is weaker than Bee, the skill sets of the shinobi come into play, not just who beat whom. As of right now, Raikage may have significant info on Sasuke, and Sasuke may have none on Raikage.

[Jadedmariner]

Its not fair IMO to rubbish Sasuke/Takka against BEE, we know capturing/detaining someone alive isn't the same at all from straight out trying to kill the opponent. Takka/Sasuke mission was to capture BEE alive, who knows how it would have went if it had been to kill from the start also IMO it was done so the 8tail jin was shown to be something as he has a role to play as current situations has all to do with him. Don't get me wrong BEE was very strong and Sasuke hurt/injured still was his toughest opponent to date who knows if this thought included his brother as they have also sparred.

Actually Taka themselves said they were going to the kill and hoping that by doing so they would end up capturing him.

[W0lf]

I agree BEE was a problem and Raikage is going to be difficult too though this new Sasuke isn't going to be like he was against BEE. Sasuke isn't going to die that's a given, he will survive one way or another. At max power, fully healed both parties should give us a great kage level fight and its never been stated or hinted that Raikage is stronger than BEE.

Its not fair IMO to rubbish Sasuke/Takka against BEE, we know capturing/detaining someone alive isn't the same at all from straight out trying to kill the opponent. Takka/Sasuke mission was to capture BEE alive, who knows how it would have went if it had been to kill from the start also IMO it was done so the 8tail jin was shown to be something as he has a role to play as current situations has all to do with him. Don't get me wrong BEE was very strong and Sasuke hurt/injured still was his toughest opponent to date who knows if this thought included his brother as they have also sparred.

u realize that sasuke didnt know he can turn amaterasu down ? read again imo, also that is somehow linked with his new move but i dont know how

[Weapon_X]

Its not fair IMO to rubbish Sasuke/Takka against BEE, we know capturing/detaining someone alive isn't the same at all from straight out trying to kill the opponent. Takka/Sasuke mission was to capture BEE alive, who knows how it would have went if it had been to kill from the start also IMO it was done so the 8tail jin was shown to be something as he has a role to play as current situations has all to do with him. Don't get me wrong BEE was very strong and Sasuke hurt/injured still was his toughest opponent to date who knows if this thought included his brother as they have also sparred.

Even if they wanted to kill Bee from the start. The outcome would have been the same.

This http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-411/page019.html and
this http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page010.html would have still happened. Amaterasu would have still occured, they were fighting for their lives against Bee.

Anyway the Raikage has to be strong. He was able to keep up with Bee in cloak form without a Sharingan or without anyone resurrecting him from the dead.

Edit - Actually, they did plan to kill him here http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page007.html

(Thanks googlez aka nald's McDo :D)

[Googlez_kun]

Even if they wanted to kill Bee from the start. The outcome would have been the same.

This http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-411/page019.html and
this http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page010.html would have still happened. Amaterasu would have still occured, they were fighting for their lives against Bee.

Anyway the Raikage has to be strong. He was able to keep up with Bee in cloak form without a Sharingan or without anyone resurrecting him from the dead.

they wanted to kill him!here:http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page007.html
but they failed anyway:lmao

[Bleachigo]

i Really Wish Sasuke Would Die after this Next chapter. Everyone believes hes gonna stay until the end. But I Really think that he's gonna get killed off :). And Naruto's Just Gonna Turn into a convict and kill everyone that hurt sasuke :)..
But thats just a Theory...

Now..
Raikage is gonna own The shit out of sasuke..but Aloe Vera (Zetsu) is gonna Step in and Kick Some ones ass.. xD

[W0lf]

if itachis eyes die in wain imma /wrist...sasuke apsolutly must obtain em :D especially since hes gonna lose eyesight in this fights :D

[Cueil]

Also add in that Naruto lost to Sasuke, so Naruto is not unbeaten. The sound 4 beat Sasuke, and Lee beat him as well. But that isn't really the topic anyway. It is going to be an interesting fight. I am not calling it for either side because we have only seen raikage breaks walls, floors, and necks.

Naruto didn't "lose" to Sasuke... he simply didn't kill the boy... that attack could have been aimed at his face or neck instead of just being used to scratch his forhead protector
[hr]

Actually Taka themselves said they were going to the kill and hoping that by doing so they would end up capturing him.

No... it was a suggestion made

[narutokuro]

What are you people taking about. SASUKE WILL NOT BEAT RAIKAGE. As soon as everyone gets wind of sauske fighting the cloud. Every nin will collapse onto sasuke like a fat boy on free donuts. Sasuke has a plan to get around the cloud and pursue Danzou. Every second that sasuke remains fighting in one area the greater the chance he and hawk will be goners. They have to keep moving.

Also SASUKE DID NOT BEAT KILLER BEE. Sasuke round 1 got stabbed to death. Sasuke round 2 got his chest split open to the white meat. Sasuke round three failed to kill or capture KBee. Killer Bee just wanted to be left alone and have some free time to himself. Sasuke didn't beat itachi. itachi got sick and died on the spot, seriously. geez sasgay lovers...

[jdw]

Naruto didn't "lose" to Sasuke... he simply didn't kill the boy... that attack could have been aimed at his face or neck instead of just being used to scratch his forhead protector

Please read my reply in the hangout: click me! (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1531230#post1531230)

[lordHokage]

Sasuke did not beat Killer Bee...his entire team did. Killer Bee was obviously stronger than him in that fight. I recall seeing Sasuke LOSE to Killer bee twice 1v1 and as a group they all would have lost if Suigetsu didnt play human shield and save them all. Not only did Sasuke lose but he got pretty much one-shotted both times...wasn't even a close fight.

Yeah, he Amatarasu'ed him but I don't think he would have gotten that far without the extra lives and teamwork, sorry. Definitely can not solo the eight tales at this point in the manga. He did not even beat the guy because Killer Bee tricked him and faked his own defeat...

Raikage is obviously stronger than Killer Bee. He wouldn't go after Sasuke if he was weaker than Killer Bee because there would be no point. Killer Bee would be their Kage if Raikage was a weak so people need to accept that he is not fodder and has importance to the storyline.

Why would there be a meeting with Naruto about revenge if Raikage is going to get stomped? He is going to beat Sasuke to an inch of his life then something will stop him, maybe he will think about the cycle of hate that Naruto warned him about...maybe not.


I agree with you that Sasuke is going to get stomped again. Almost all of the opponents Sasuke fought so far except for Huku and Akaduo Yoroi were unwell. Sasuke doesn't stand a chance against an opponent who is in good physical shape. :p

[gold349]

u realize that sasuke didnt know he can turn amaterasu down ? read again imo, also that is somehow linked with his new move but i dont know how


I know Sasuke worked out that he could put amaterasu out at the end, the mission was to capture him alive. Read again, it was stated twice in the battle, once when Juugo remarked at Suigetsu that akatsuki wants him alive and karin said she could still feel his chakra's and then Suigetsu himself after they had all tried...said to turn the tactics around, try to kill him then will they capture him. Had he known amaterasu could be put out, wouldn't he have shot it earlier? had it been to kill from the start things may have been done differently the end of the fight when it was either kill BEE or die showed that.


Even if they wanted to kill Bee from the start. The outcome would have been the same.

This http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-411/page019.html and
this http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-413/page010.html would have still happened. Amaterasu would have still occured, they were fighting for their lives against Bee.

Anyway the Raikage has to be strong. He was able to keep up with Bee in cloak form without a Sharingan or without anyone resurrecting him from the dead.

Edit - Actually, they did plan to kill him here http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-412/page007.html

(Thanks googlez aka nald's McDo :D)

the battle would not have been the same, it takes different skills to capture/detain to try and kill. Once they was fighting for their lives...that's how most of that battle would have went. They wouldn't have been so retarded, they may have not held back on techniques for the reason that they wanted him alive...Sasuke 1 shot him with amaterasu and it was all over. Given BEE had them on the ropes from the start, I don't think it would be replayed like that had Takka/Sasuke started the battle to kill IMO the ending of the fight when it was to kill or die had it started that way things would have been different.

[Zachc2009]

what people seem to be forgettin is that sasuke had never recovered from his fight with itachi as stated by Suigetsu or Juugo i forgot which 1 (lol)

i don't think it would of made much difference to the fight though

sasuke is way to overconfident he underestimates his opponents too much and ends up getting cut up and running away

some genius he is huh?

[W0lf]

I know Sasuke worked out that he could put amaterasu out at the end, the mission was to capture him alive. Read again, it was stated twice in the battle, once when Juugo remarked at Suigetsu that akatsuki wants him alive and karin said she could still feel his chakra's and then Suigetsu himself after they had all tried...said to turn the tactics around, try to kill him then will they capture him. Had he known amaterasu could be put out, wouldn't he have shot it earlier? had it been to kill from the start things may have been done differently the end of the fight when it was either kill BEE or die showed that.

no he didnt know he can turn it off or whatever he did it to KILL bee and save his team, only time he did amaterasu was itachis amaterasu on madara that madara turned off not sasuke

[gold349]

no he didnt know he can turn it off or whatever he did it to KILL bee and save his team, only time he did amaterasu was itachis amaterasu on madara that madara turned off not sasuke

read my post, Sasuke worked it out the end of the fight that he can put out amaterasu. Karin was hit with BEE tentacle that was set alight with amaterasu Sasuke put it out...this was the second time he sparked amaterasu the first time he used it was on Madara which Itachi had set up I never said anything to the contrary or mentioned it.

[Hachigeneral]

What are you people taking about. SASUKE WILL NOT BEAT RAIKAGE. As soon as everyone gets wind of sauske fighting the cloud. Every nin will collapse onto sasuke like a fat boy on free donuts. Sasuke has a plan to get around the cloud and pursue Danzou. Every second that sasuke remains fighting in one area the greater the chance he and hawk will be goners. They have to keep moving.

Also SASUKE DID NOT BEAT KILLER BEE. Sasuke round 1 got stabbed to death. Sasuke round 2 got his chest split open to the white meat. Sasuke round three failed to kill or capture KBee. Killer Bee just wanted to be left alone and have some free time to himself. Sasuke didn't beat itachi. itachi got sick and died on the spot, seriously. geez sasgay lovers...

Gotta agree, people forget that Sasuke vs. Itachi was not a 1v1 fight since Orochimaru also attacked Itachi to drag the fight out longer...

Remember that Itachi had Sasuke FINISHED with Susanoo then Orochimaru pops out and helps Sasuke by attacking Itachi with his strongest summon. Since Itachi LET SASUKE WIN anyway I don't think it would have changed the outcomes, but it would have made it more clear to the reader that Itachi won that fight. Itachi would just be standing there for like 10 minutes staring at Sasuke and waiting to die if Orochimaru didn't show up, because Sasuke was out of tricks and DEFEATED while Itachi could have just one shotted Sasuke with Susanoo. Pretty obvious that Itachi was still stronger even when sick and blind.

[redred]

what people seem to be forgettin is that sasuke had never recovered from his fight with itachi as stated by Suigetsu or Juugo i forgot which 1 (lol)

i don't think it would of made much difference to the fight though

sasuke is way to overconfident he underestimates his opponents too much and ends up getting cut up and running away

some genius he is huh?

killerbee had been training as the 8-tails before they showed up, im sure that he was at it for a while too because he stated his amazement at the time change when he came out of the cave.
thing is, killer bee was just too strong for taka, thats all there is to it. people need to stop arguing that sasuke coulda won from the start.
they forget that killer bee is a jinchuuriki, just like naruto, if he had been hit with something lethal, he woulda gone to cloak mode and HEALED.
and then slaughter or transformation

anyway feels like eternity waiting for this chapter. i really want raikage to whup sasuke out of whatever little dark killing spree he seems to wanna start

[Young Aizen]

honestly sasuke had him beat with the genjutsu...but the 8-tails saved em...but nonetheless he got beat...

[Smokes]

I'm wondering if kyuubi is going to have some sort of reaction. He knows what Madara's chakra feels like. It seems like he knows what's going on outside Naruto's body. He's sleeping in his cage and all of a sudden Madara is right next to him.
And Naruto can't afford to be going kyuubi right now. all the failsafes are used up.

[Rikudou King]

I'm wondering if kyuubi is going to have some sort of reaction. He knows what Madara's chakra feels like. It seems like he knows what's going on outside Naruto's body. He's sleeping in his cage and all of a sudden Madara is right next to him.
And Naruto can't afford to be going kyuubi right now. all the failsafes are used up. I doubt that. Nothing was shown before when the seal was weaker, So I don't see how it could happen now that the seal has been fixed.

[narutokuro]

honestly sasuke had him beat with the genjutsu...but the 8-tails saved em...but nonetheless he got beat...

How can you honestly say sasuke beat KB? Sasuke got his chest busted open and had to be healed while KB waited around. I don't get it hahhaha. KB simply pwned him then used ninjutsu to escape with sasuke being non-the-wiser. Advantage>>>> KB !

[Hachigeneral]

honestly sasuke had him beat with the genjutsu...but the 8-tails saved em...but nonetheless he got beat...

I recall Killer Bee defeating Sasuke 1v1 with swords. Sasuke was defeated in like three seconds in a fair sword duel. Then that part with the Genjutsu, well, Killer Bee does have a tailed beast but it is kind of like his own power similar to how Sasuke has a sharingan. I mean, when Sasuke fights someone without a Sharingan it really isn't fair, so I consider the tailed beast an equalizer. Kinda boring if you can beat your opponents just by opening your eyes and looking at them. Killer Bee simply humiliated him by one shotting him again when his beast got him out of the genjutsu. Overall, Sasuke got handed a defeat worse than when Rock Lee owned him.

[Rikudou King]

I don't see how Sasuke's battle with Kirabi would factor into his fight with the Raikage. The Raikage has none of the advantages that Kirabi had.

[elitefox]

I know Sasuke worked out that he could put amaterasu out at the end, the mission was to capture him alive. Read again, it was stated twice in the battle, once when Juugo remarked at Suigetsu that akatsuki wants him alive and karin said she could still feel his chakra's and then Suigetsu himself after they had all tried...said to turn the tactics around, try to kill him then will they capture him. Had he known amaterasu could be put out, wouldn't he have shot it earlier? had it been to kill from the start things may have been done differently the end of the fight when it was either kill BEE or die showed that.



the battle would not have been the same, it takes different skills to capture/detain to try and kill. Once they was fighting for their lives...that's how most of that battle would have went. They wouldn't have been so retarded, they may have not held back on techniques for the reason that they wanted him alive...Sasuke 1 shot him with amaterasu and it was all over. Given BEE had them on the ropes from the start, I don't think it would be replayed like that had Takka/Sasuke started the battle to kill IMO the ending of the fight when it was to kill or die had it started that way things would have been different.

Yup yup, you got a point. but if KB didn't get struck by amaterasu, sasuke will be in coma and KB will own all them in an instant faster that using amaterasu as the last option.

Oh well maybe karin hold back too much, secret love love jutsu. Juugo holding back? maybe because he is calmer but what can he really do, I know he is the curse seal origin and shape shift to anything he like but he is too slow for KB. I hope suigetsu unleash his strength at least match one of the raikage trusties and oh he is weak against lightning attacks though.

[sarutobi_sensei]

I'm wondering if kyuubi is going to have some sort of reaction. He knows what Madara's chakra feels like. It seems like he knows what's going on outside Naruto's body. He's sleeping in his cage and all of a sudden Madara is right next to him.
And Naruto can't afford to be going kyuubi right now. all the failsafes are used up.

I wonder that too. Will the Kyubii start talking to Naruto on this chapter or later? Like: LIES You liar! Naruto don't believe in him! Or something liek that xD

[elitefox]

I don't see how Sasuke's battle with Kirabi would factor into his fight with the Raikage. The Raikage has none of the advantages that Kirabi had.

Well, we aren't certain about that, is KB winning against raikage? If yes, sasuke might have a chance, but if it turns out that raikage is often/always winning the duel. Raikage is strong as hell even for a jinjirukii.
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I wonder that too. Will the Kyubii start talking to Naruto on this chapter or later? Like: LIES You liar! Naruto don't believe in him! Or something liek that xD

Haha, if tobi is really madara or have something that madara-like chakra, maybe;)

[Young Aizen]

How can you honestly say sasuke beat KB? Sasuke got his chest busted open and had to be healed while KB waited around. I don't get it hahhaha. KB simply pwned him then used ninjutsu to escape with sasuke being non-the-wiser. Advantage>>>> KB !


yo calm down...it is what it is.... Killer dropped him first with the swords..ok im not taking away from that...but sasuke would have KO'ed kb off that genjutsu but his tailed beast nullified that...im not trying to say he won or anything like that...chill on the over reacting

[g1534]

Well, we aren't certain about that, is KB winning against raikage? If yes, sasuke might have a chance, but if it turns out that raikage is often/always winning the duel. Raikage is strong as hell even for a jinjirukii.
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Haha, if tobi is really madara or have something that madara-like chakra, maybe;)


You know, you are all forgetting that kishi gave Sasuke an "excuse" for sucking so bad during his fight with Bee. Namely that his wounds from his fight with itachi still hadn't fully healed.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/13/

This also leaves him a plot hole bandage for when he makes Sasuke whip Raikage's ass.

I'm not a huge fan or hater of sasuke, but I have a feeling Kishi is going to have Sasuke fistfuck somebody in the next few chapters, and its going to be an unanswered fistfucking at that...Unless Naruto dishes out his punishment, nobody will.

[Rikudou King]

Well, we aren't certain about that, is KB winning against raikage? If yes, sasuke might have a chance, but if it turns out that raikage is often/always winning the duel. Raikage is strong as hell even for a jinjirukii. I don't see what you mean? I never said anything about Kirabi being weaker or stronger then the Raikage. All I said was that Kirabi had several advantages in his fight with Sasuke that the Raikage doesn't have.

[jodi]

I don't see how Sasuke's battle with Kirabi would factor into his fight with the Raikage. The Raikage has none of the advantages that Kirabi had.


Killerbee stated that Sasuke was the strongest AFTER his brother and stated that Raikage was able to dodge his attack even with tails on

[elitefox]

You know, you are all forgetting that kishi gave Sasuke an "excuse" for sucking so bad during his fight with Bee. Namely that his wounds from his fight with itachi still hadn't fully healed.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/13/

This also leaves him a plot hole bandage for when he makes Sasuke whip Raikage's ass.

I'm not a huge fan or hater of sasuke, but I have a feeling Kishi is going to have Sasuke fistfuck somebody in the next few chapters, and its going to be an unanswered fistfucking at that...by anybody but Naruto.

hmm, a person with after training fight vs an injured person. But they both looked fine though, but taking the fact that KB is lazy bum and not even seriously fighting. I really think he can kill the whole taka in a flash if he was serious(at least this is how I see it) TAKA hold back(we can make that excuse), KB not even serious in fighting which had a result killed sasuke 2 times in a row. The cow already said, he could defeat them even without unleashing the cow bijuu, but he is really thinking of a vacation(really a lazy bum:facepalm)

[g1534]

Killerbee stated that Sasuke was the strongest AFTER his brother and stated that Raikage was able to dodge his attack even with tails on

Actually, he stated that nobody has dodged the 8th sword (his tails mode) since his brother... So that's not to say Sasuke is more OR less strong..

BUT...

After the fight, as I stated above, Juugo stated that Sasuke's wounds were not healed from his fight with Itachi.

[elitefox]

I don't see what you mean? I never said anything about Kirabi being weaker or stronger then the Raikage. All I said was that Kirabi had several advantages in his fight with Sasuke that the Raikage doesn't have.

I am just saying that he can disperse a genjutsu with his massive chakra, it just take massive chakra to disrupt a genjutsu, if the raikage can match KB in full form, he must be like kisame with massive chakra or just specialize in powerful hax jutsu like sasuke.
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Anyways, let us just wait for the next chap if the fight will begin,

I think it will be speed match first. Did anyone notice raikage have a weapon?

[Smokes]

I wonder that too. Will the Kyubii start talking to Naruto on this chapter or later? Like: LIES You liar! Naruto don't believe in him! Or something liek that xD

That's exactly what i was thinking. Madara tells his story and then Kyuubi sets the record straight and Naruto calls Madara a liar. Kyuubi has never really had a reason to initiate a conversation with Naruto before, except to push him to lose it so he can come out and play. But if Madara starts spouting lies, maybe kyuubi feels a need to throw in his two cents worth.
I know, it's wishful thinking, but it's getting pretty silly that Naruto still hasn't even tried to ask Kyuubi about what happened in the past. Worst thing that can happen is Kyuubi doesn't spill the beans. It's as big an oversight as Naruto finding out about his clone learning so long after he mastered the technique.:mad
Heck, he certainly got all chatty and cryptic when Sasuke stopped by. Sounded like he had plenty to say.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Well, we aren't certain about that, is KB winning against raikage? If yes, sasuke might have a chance, but if it turns out that raikage is often/always winning the duel. Raikage is strong as hell even for a jinjirukii.



Haha, if tobi is really madara or have something that madara-like chakra, maybe;)

Nono, I'm saying that because the Kyubii will be referring to him not being Madara xD

[scuppo]

Well, we aren't certain about that, is KB winning against raikage? If yes, sasuke might have a chance, but if it turns out that raikage is often/always winning the duel. Raikage is strong as hell even for a jinjirukii.
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Haha, if tobi is really madara or have something that madara-like chakra, maybe;)

Wasnt Tobi being Madara already confirmed? Plus was reaffirmed last week when Kakashi asked.

Dying to see naruto go ape shit on Madara.

[Rosebunse]

Ok, everyone, here is why Sasuke has to win: From a writer's stand-point, why would Kishi let him loose at this point? He is possessed by some sort of evil-I'm not even going to try to guess about that-and is only digging himself a deeper grave by fighting the Raikage. If he kills him, then that will start a huge World War, and more or less condemn him. Everyone will be out to get him. Danzou will come up with some bogus story about how he got his Sharingan, everyone will will believe him for whatever plot-hole Kishi comes up with, and Madara will then use Sasuke for whatever he's doing. How is anything gonna happen that would put Sasuke and Naruto at odds if Sasuke loses?

[jdw]

Ok, everyone, here is why Sasuke has to win: From a writer's stand-point, why would Kishi let him loose at this point? He is possessed by some sort of evil-I'm not even going to try to guess about that-and is only digging himself a deeper grave by fighting the Raikage. If he kills him, then that will start a huge World War, and more or less condemn him. Everyone will be out to get him. Danzou will come up with some bogus story about how he got his Sharingan, everyone will will believe him for whatever plot-hole Kishi comes up with, and Madara will then use Sasuke for whatever he's doing. How is anything gonna happen that would put Sasuke and Naruto at odds if Sasuke loses?

From a writing standpoint, losing could force him to seek power from Madara, possibly including Itachi's eyes so he can have EMS. Sasuke losing could put them at odds with Naruto if Sasuke undertakes any more assignments for Akatsuki, or if Sasuke is sent to obtain Naruto himself. Also, losing to Raikage doesn't let Danzou off the hook, does it? Attacking the Hokage could put Sasuke & Naruto at odds.

[rocklee87]

I am just saying that he can disperse a genjutsu with his massive chakra, it just take massive chakra to disrupt a genjutsu, if the raikage can match KB in full form, he must be like kisame with massive chakra or just specialize in powerful hax jutsu like sasuke.
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Anyways, let us just wait for the next chap if the fight will begin,

I think it will be speed match first. Did anyone notice raikage have a weapon?

I feel that Raikage's weapon is his body. He seems to train like lee (those gauntlets must weigh a ton) and he is very fast and powerful (if I could punch through walls I wouldn't use a damn door either).

He also seems to have some sort of energy around him....I hope it isn't wind element chakra cause that would fuck him in a fight with Sasuke. It looks like a lightning element and that could be used to enhance the destructive and defensive capabilities of his gauntlets and I think the belt is special but I'm just grasping at straws.

[Rikudou King]

I am just saying that he can disperse a genjutsu with his massive chakra, it just take massive chakra to disrupt a genjutsu, if the raikage can match KB in full form, he must be like kisame with massive chakra or just specialize in powerful hax jutsu like sasuke.
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Anyways, let us just wait for the next chap if the fight will begin,

I think it will be speed match first. Did anyone notice raikage have a weapon? It wasn't just massive chakra. It was the Hachibi that release Kirabi. So the Raikage is out of luck. And it was never said that the Raikage could match Kirabi in full cloak form, Only that he was able to dodge Kirabi in cloak form.

P.S. No the Raikage doesn't seem to have any weapons.

[rocklee87]

From a writing standpoint, losing could force him to seek power from Madara, possibly including Itachi's eyes so he can have EMS. Sasuke losing could put them at odds with Naruto if Sasuke undertakes any more assignments for Akatsuki, or if Sasuke is sent to obtain Naruto himself. Also, losing to Raikage doesn't let Danzou off the hook, does it? Attacking the Hokage could put Sasuke & Naruto at odds.

Naruto doesn't give a shit about Danzo

[jdw]

Naruto doesn't give a shit about Danzo

Speculation. And even if he does not, he gives a shit about the "hokage" and the village. Even if he has differences with Danzou's actions, he will not just let Sasuke kill the hokage. Sorry. It would be an international spectacle to serve up ones own hokage to a terrorist/missing-nin.

[elitefox]

Wasnt Tobi being Madara already confirmed? Plus was reaffirmed last week when Kakashi asked.

Dying to see naruto go ape shit on Madara.

haha, I won't accept it until he shows his ems, anyone can tell everyone he is madara :D

anyways that is just me though:p

[apainlessend]

I don't see how Sasuke's battle with Kirabi would factor into his fight with the Raikage. The Raikage has none of the advantages that Kirabi had.

Plus sasuke now has this:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/thumb/b/b4/Sasun%27ox.JPG/578px-Sasun%27ox.JPG

And if he has the sword..like Zetsu said, he is invincible...
Here is the problem...

Sasuke didnt copy Lee's taijustsu, jsut elements from it. The boys body can not hang dude!
He switches to cursed mark even with his JUUGO battle like 2 minutes in...The boy has inherited and stole....

Sorry...
Naruto has been fighting and training non-stop. Just like Goku.
Only difference...Goku PWNS bad guys...
Naruto barely wins, Albiet, he did spank pein pretty good there in the end, and the way he was furious when talking to Nagato...I dunno...
I think we are gonna see a new Naruto...


Actually...I am read for a Time skip...
I would much rather See a story about Konohamaru helping to mentor Hinata and Naruto's child...

[rocklee87]

No its more of a hypothesis based on the fact that he hates Danzos militaristic stance and his methods. They are a direct contrast from Naruto's which is a fairly obvious fact imo.

[DEATHBOTT]

Naruto doesn't give a shit about Danzo

if naruto let sasuke kill the hokage there would be no chance for redemption, every one in the ninja world would want him dead.

[elitefox]

From a writing standpoint, losing could force him to seek power from Madara, possibly including Itachi's eyes so he can have EMS. Sasuke losing could put them at odds with Naruto if Sasuke undertakes any more assignments for Akatsuki, or if Sasuke is sent to obtain Naruto himself. Also, losing to Raikage doesn't let Danzou off the hook, does it? Attacking the Hokage could put Sasuke & Naruto at odds.

yeah, if he loses to raikage, he will eventually want more power, and madara will give him his thirst for power just like oro did.

[sarutobi_sensei]

apainlessneed - it's not confirmed that Sasuke has Susanoo.

[jdw]

No its more of a hypothesis based on the fact that he hates Danzos militaristic stance and his methods. They are a direct contrast from Naruto's which is a fairly obvious fact imo.

I would love to continue this here but it is going a bit off from the current chapter. Forgive me for cutting it short on my own. If you would like to continue, I'd join you in the hangout thread.

[elitefox]

Plus sasuke now has this:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/thumb/b/b4/Sasun%27ox.JPG/578px-Sasun%27ox.JPG

And if he has the sword..like Zetsu said, he is invincible...
Here is the problem...

Sasuke didnt copy Lee's taijustsu, jsut elements from it. The boys body can not hang dude!
He switches to cursed mark even with his JUUGO battle like 2 minutes in...The boy has inherited and stole....

Sorry...
Naruto has been fighting and training non-stop. Just like Goku.
Only difference...Goku PWNS bad guys...
Naruto barely wins, Albiet, he did spank pein pretty good there in the end, and the way he was furious when talking to Nagato...I dunno...
I think we are gonna see a new Naruto...


Actually...I am read for a Time skip...
I would much rather See a story about Konohamaru helping to mentor Hinata and Naruto's child...

I really don't doubt that sasuke will reach this level, but as of now, I really don't think he is. I hope itachi didn't give him susanoo :D

Itachi is more like Minato giving hax abilities to their heir.

If sasuke now has susanoo, he is theoretically invicible. but what kind of contract or requirements to summon this?

[DEATHBOTT]

yeah, if he loses to raikage, he will eventually want more power, and madara will give him his thirst for power just like oro did.

i think he will beat the raikage with ms but his eye sight will go down hill causeing him to need itachis eyes. The only way sasuke would want more power is if raikage beats all of his ms techs which i doubt he could do. Sasuke is not gonna need more power until someone beats all of his ms techs so the reason i think he is gonna need itachis eyes is because he starts to go blind. Tobi doasnt want sasuke to lose he just wants him to keep using ms so his eyes start to fail. Having a plan that rest on sasuke losing a fight to a kage who wants him dead but surviving at the same time would be pretty risky.

[elitefox]

It wasn't just massive chakra. It was the Hachibi that release Kirabi. So the Raikage is out of luck. And it was never said that the Raikage could match Kirabi in full cloak form, Only that he was able to dodge Kirabi in cloak form.

P.S. No the Raikage doesn't seem to have any weapons.

if this is the case then rock lee really has a chance to be one of the super powers, if he can just control chakra and emit some element like lightning or fire... fire fist drunken master :p

[apainlessend]

apainlessneed - it's not confirmed that Sasuke has Susanoo.



Tsukiyomi - check.
Amaterasu - check.

So logically,

Susano-o - check.


We don't know how he stopped the flames...and amaterasu isnt supposed to be able to be stopped.....

I assume he used Susano-o's ability to stop the flames as Susano-o can stop any attack.

According to the 3rd Databook, these techniques are standard among Uchiha Mangekyou users.

[jdw]

I really don't doubt that sasuke will reach this level, but as of now, I really don't think he is. I hope itachi didn't give him susanoo :D

Itachi is more like Minato giving hax abilities to their heir.

If sasuke now has susanoo, he is theoretically invicible. but what kind of contract or requirements to summon this?

It is an MS jutsu that eats away the life of the user, seemingly no contract required. Info in the spoiler.


NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

Main text

There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

Captions

-In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

-Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

Picture comments

-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

-The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

-The Sword of Totsuka
One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective. LINK (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1175216&postcount=1)

[elitefox]

i think he will beat the raikage with ms but his eye sight will go down hill causeing him to need itachis eyes. The only way sasuke would want more power is if raikage beats all of his ms techs which i doubt he could do. Sasuke is not gonna need more power until someone beats all of his ms techs so the reason i think he is gonna need itachis eyes is because he starts to go blind. Tobi doasnt want sasuke to lose he just wants him to keep using ms so his eyes start to fail. Having a plan that rest on sasuke losing a fight to a kage who wants him dead but surviving at the same time would be pretty risky.

if some of the kage will join the fight, I think sasuke will run and use MS to escape, ie Gaara or tsukikage joining.

There are a lot of possibilities, but if raikage is gonna pawn him and sasuke cannot escape on his own, I think Gaara will intervene and stop raikage resulting to sasuke's escape.
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It is an MS jutsu that eats away the life of the user, seemingly no contract required. Info in the spoiler.



so it eats the life of the user, can you give any reference? it is still a possibility since itachi's life is so short:(

I think raikage can counter the 2 ms jutsu, then sasuke will be push to his limit unleashing susanoo, that will be very cool for him using his brother's arsenal.

[DEATHBOTT]

if some of the kage will join the fight, I think sasuke will run and use MS to escape, ie Gaara or tsukikage joining.

There are a lot of possibilities, but if raikage is gonna pawn him and sasuke cannot escape on his own, I think Gaara will intervene and stop raikage resulting to sasuke's escape.

if tobi's plan hinges on the interference of the other kages then he is a fool. If anyone interferes to save sasuke it will be black zetsu or white zetsu if he is alive or maybe tobi. He cant base his plan on variables he cant control. Either tobi knows sasuke is strong enough to survive or he or someone he is controling is gonna interfere.

[jdw]

i
so it eats the life of the user, can you give any reference? it is still a possibility since itachi's life is so short:(

The reference is in the spoiler tag of the post. It is taken directly from databook 3.

Reproduced here:


NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

Main text

There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

Captions

-In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

-Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

Picture comments

-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

-The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

-The Sword of Totsuka
One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective. LINK (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1175216&postcount=1)

[elitefox]

Now I wonder how powerful zetsu is if he likes to intervene, raikage is too fast for him lol. so tobi will now show himself to the world? hehe, it will like be "hunt me if you can".

I also wonder how fast tobi can materialize and dematerialize. I hope he shows more of his techniques, he really is a mystery. what is in his left eye since it is hidden?

[apainlessend]

I think raikage can counter the 2 ms jutsu, then sasuke will be push to his limit unleashing susanoo, that will be very cool for him using his brother's arsenal.


I guess, but lets think about this..
susanoo is nothing more than Charka forced to take shape in the material world...


In fact, the Users Chakra...

A Bijuu is an unfathomally large amount of chakra taking physical form...e.g. 8 tails...


If Raikage stopped a Bijuu.....susanoo wont much matter...


I think killabee is gonna train Naruto......to be a REAL jinnchurikki...
and Madara is gonna take over with sasuke where Orochimaru left off..........more butt sex.

The real Sasuke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJpvRDCpqYo

[rocklee87]

I would love to continue this here but it is going a bit off from the current chapter. Forgive me for cutting it short on my own. If you would like to continue, I'd join you in the hangout thread.

No thanks I consider that a concession. I WIN. Kidding, I don't care that much and someone else brought up a good point for your stance so I'm done debating.

[DEATHBOTT]

I guess, but lets think about this..
susanoo is nothing more than Charka forced to take shape in the material world...


In fact, the Users Chakra...

A Bijuu is an unfathomally large amount of chakra taking physical form...e.g. 8 tails...


If Raikage stopped a Bijuu.....susanoo wont much matter...


I think killabee is gonna train Naruto......to be a REAL jinnchurikki...
and Madara is gonna take over with sasuke where Orochimaru left off..........more butt sex.

The real Sasuke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJpvRDCpqYo

Susanoo can deflect anything and seal anything apparently while biju like the eighttails can be hurt by amatersu. also kb only said that raikage can dodge his 3 tailed attack not that he could defeat the eight tails.

i used to think naruto was gonna be trained be kb but then we found out that kb can control biju which is probably why he can maintain control in it full form. would he be able to teach naruto how to do that?

[apainlessend]

Susanoo can deflect anything and seal anything apparently while biju like the eighttails can be hurt by amatersu. also kb only said that raikage can dodge his 3 tailed attack not that he could defeat the eight tails.

i used to think naruto was gonna be trained be kb but then we found out that kb can control biju which is probably why he can maintain control in it full form. would he be able to teach naruto how to do that?

Why would Killer Bee even ATTACK Raikage anyway?
Unless they were training...

which means ONE OF TWO THINGS:

Raikage has the experience fighting and training against a fucking Bijuu outright..


Or Killerbee tried to escape several times before only to be man handled by raikage. To the point he is willing to risk an INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT because he couldnt get away otherwise!


Either way, sasuke is about to get his ass handed to him.
If they fight.

[elitefox]

The reference is in the spoiler tag of the post. It is taken directly from databook 3.

Reproduced here:



Thanks for the info :D
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Why would Killer Bee even ATTACK Raikage anyway?
Unless they were training...

which means ONE OF TWO THINGS:

Raikage has the experience fighting and training against a fucking Bijuu outright..


Or Killerbee tried to escape several times before only to be man handled by raikage. To the point he is willing to risk an INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT because he couldnt get away otherwise!


Either way, sasuke is about to get his ass handed to him.
If they fight.

haha, why didn't raikage think of that, don't he trust his brother's abilities to escape lol:p

Expect the unexpected from Kishi ;)

[DEATHBOTT]

Why would Killer Bee even ATTACK Raikage anyway?
Unless they were training...

which means ONE OF TWO THINGS:

Raikage has the experience fighting and training against a fucking Bijuu outright..


Or Killerbee tried to escape several times before only to be man handled by raikage. To the point he is willing to risk an INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT because he couldnt get away otherwise!


Either way, sasuke is about to get his ass handed to him.
If they fight.

your first point still doesnt mean he can beat a full biju just dodge a significantly weaker version. if he says that he trained against a full biju then ill believe he could match ones power.

and bee only escaped then because he thought they kumo wouldnt be looking for him because he dead.

[Mangakotlar]

Sasuke did not beat Killer Bee...his entire team did. Killer Bee was obviously stronger than him in that fight. I recall seeing Sasuke LOSE to Killer bee twice 1v1 and as a group they all would have lost if Suigetsu didnt play human shield and save them all. Not only did Sasuke lose but he got pretty much one-shotted both times...wasn't even a close fight.

Yeah, he Amatarasu'ed him but I don't think he would have gotten that far without the extra lives and teamwork, sorry. Definitely can not solo the eight tales at this point in the manga. He did not even beat the guy because Killer Bee tricked him and faked his own defeat...

Raikage is obviously stronger than Killer Bee. He wouldn't go after Sasuke if he was weaker than Killer Bee because there would be no point. Killer Bee would be their Kage if Raikage was a weak so people need to accept that he is not fodder and has importance to the storyline.

Why would there be a meeting with Naruto about revenge if Raikage is going to get stomped? He is going to beat Sasuke to an inch of his life then something will stop him, maybe he will think about the cycle of hate that Naruto warned him about...maybe not.

Haha, hold on. His team is a bunch of scrubs. Even in Akatsuki you are supposed to go 2 S-level guys (kage level) for 1 Jinchuuriki. Sasuke was taking on the most powerful one, and due to his lack of experience got beat up before he took over. However, he DID win. Not his team. He had support, but that's normal.

Regarding the KB vs Sasuke fight not being close: Both got very beat up. Sasuke would surely have died early on without support, but that was due to carelesness and cockyness. It was a lack of experience. He didn't even know that a 2nd chakra source could get someone of Tsukioyama. How experienced could he have been? Itachi, with YEARS more experience, would still have had a tough time with the 8 tail. Heck, Kisame, who is mega strong, had trouble with what, the 4 tail Jinchuuriki? And KB has FULL mastery over his beast, something which was not explicetly stated for the others.

It was also Sasuke's first time using Mangekyo. He was testing it out, and basically messing with KB. As the latter was with him. But regardless, Sasuke still came out on top, and TBH, given the fact that KB has the 8tail, and TONS of fighting experience, the fact that Sasuke, on his first outing with MS was able to do what he did is a testatement to how uber-powerful he is (Kishi fanservice or not).

Raikage is NOT more powerful than Killerbee. Nowhere was it stated, and it is also a completely rediculous notion that Raikage - who was narrated to *possibly* be stronger than KB ~ 3 tails (shroud) - would be more powerful, than a fully chakra'd up Mythical Beast Killerbee/8 tail beast. This is the 2nd most powerful tailed beast, with a very strong host, and you think that Raikage is stronger? Even PAIN got his ass HANDED to him by an 8 tail naruto, heck, even a 6 tail. Naruto, who had only 1/2 the chakra of the real thing, and Naruto, who was not in control of his host, was running wild. Not to mentino that Naruto is most likely weaker 1:1 compared to KB. Kishi himself has stated that while 9 tail is the strongest, it's not something like 10x stronger than 8 tail. 8 tail is very competitive.

And as far as "he wouldn't go after him if he wasn't stronger blah blah" going after Sasuke has nothing to do with logical calculation, but because his FREAKIN BROTHER just got killed. What would you do? It's not like he sat there a while and said, HEY you know what I've studied Sasuke long enough to know that I can beat him. I'm so much stronger than my brother that this is going to be a sure win. That's why I'll go.

No, he was flipping a shit, like he seems to do all the time, and is super pissed and wants revenge. That's how fights start.



Anyways, its a moot point. Kishi will not have Sasuke lose here. Sasuke's last two were already 2 "pseudo ties", and has been discredited each fight (itachi - wasn't going hard, killerbee - let him escape through carelesness). Raikage has been set up as a very strong opponent to be a showcase for Sasuke's talent.

[apainlessend]

Plot wise I suppose Sasuke Winning would be best...
Madara keeps Naruto preoccupied, while Sasuke does something stupid...
and turns the whole ninja world against him.

[jdw]

Plot wise I suppose Sasuke Winning would be best...
Madara keeps Naruto preoccupied, while Sasuke does something stupid...
and turns the whole ninja world against him.

He already did the stupid thing to turn the whole ninja world against him. Anything else is just icing on the cake at this point.

[Lord.Strife]

Correct me if i am wrong but didn't the sword of kusangi fail to cut 4 tailed naruto cause of the chakra density

[jdw]

Correct me if i am wrong but didn't the sword of kusangi fail to cut 4 tailed naruto cause of the chakra density

Yes, it failed (though I can't recall if it was specifically stated as due to chakra density--I just checked and it does not say that link (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/296/03/) ). It also did not cut Enma when he was in staff form.

[ashher]

As i have been saying from the very start of this thread,the most important part in this chap is still danzo.he has again slipped out of focus.And look to what extent madara is going to prevent him becoming hokage,for to me, it seems to be the real reason why he is bothering to tell naruto,and most importantly kakashi and yamato all of this.these two are important jonins.

[Butriy Nina]

Sasori, Hidan, Kakudzu, Tobi They are immortall in different ways. Pein who can control death. Danso fought with 1 hokage. How old is he? This reminds me Orochimaro. He found the way to be immortall. I mean Maadara is a great ninga but not so mutch:blink

[Jadedmariner]

Sasori, Hidan, Kakudzu, Tobi They are immortall in different ways. Pein who can control death. Danso fought with 1 hokage. How old is he? This reminds me Orochimaro. He found the way to be immortall. I mean Maadara is a great ninga but not so mutch:blink

Kakuzu and Madara both fought against Shodaime. Danzou was the rival of the Sandaime not Shodaime.

[Xiraiya]

Sasori, Hidan, Kakudzu, Tobi They are immortall in different ways. Pein who can control death. Danso fought with 1 hokage. How old is he? This reminds me Orochimaro. He found the way to be immortall. I mean Maadara is a great ninga but not so mutch:blink

Danso?...

If you're referring to Danzou then no, he never fought the first, he fought the third, it seems him and Sarutobi were rivals at one point.

But this isn't the thread for that.

[Lord_Orochimaru]

I really don't doubt that sasuke will reach this level, but as of now, I really don't think he is. I hope itachi didn't give him susanoo :D

Itachi is more like Minato giving hax abilities to their heir.

If sasuke now has susanoo, he is theoretically invicible. but what kind of contract or requirements to summon this?

susaano isnt a summon it is a mangekyou technique and i doubt he has it. i would like that to be unique to itachi 1

[Asahina]

My prediction is that Sasuke defeats or causes massive damage to Raikage after 4 awesome pages of action. Then You'll see Naruto being told that Sasuke is on his way to kill Danzou..and the conversation becomes infinitival.

Garra would probably want to join in on some action...can't wait...
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[elcongo]

susaano isnt a summon it is a mangekyou technique and i doubt he has it. i would like that to be unique to itachi 1

Its NOt. like every Sharinga has the same abilities.. look at kakashi its diferent.
SO susano. does not Belong to Sasuke.. I hope.....

[xXOffspringXx]

My prediction is that Sasuke defeats or causes massive damage to Raikage after 4 awesome pages of action. Then You'll see Naruto being told that Sasuke is on his way to kill Danzou..and the conversation becomes infinitival.

Garra would probably want to join in on some action...can't wait...
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that would be awesome to see gaara fight again. i hope sasuke doesnt fight raikage i want him to kill danzou soon but thats wishful thinking.....
[hr]

Its NOt. like every Sharinga has the same abilities.. look at kakashi its diferent.
SO susano. does not Belong to Sasuke.. I hope.....

yea i agree i want sasuke to get his own unique techniques

[tasuki00]

Its NOt. like every Sharinga has the same abilities.. look at kakashi its diferent.
SO susano. does not Belong to Sasuke.. I hope.....

this just sounds like your agreeing...

[ashher]

I really want sasuke to have all,and i mean all the MS techs. amataesu, tsukiyami, kamui, susanoo..you name it.
Why?
Cause i wanna see Naruto beat all of them.
Oh yeah,let sasuke have a MS tech of his own as well

[Mangakotlar]

I really want sasuke to have all,and i mean all the MS techs. amataesu, tsukiyami, kamui, susanoo..you name it.
Why?
Cause i wanna see Naruto beat all of them.
Oh yeah,let sasuke have a MS tech of his own as well

That's true. I want Sasuke to eclipse Madara, and then show Naruto to be at his level. I don't think this anime will end with Naruto forcefully subduing Sasuke. I think it will end with them coming to terms. Kishi isn't a stupid man, he isn't going to turn this into a infinitely-eclipsing power struggle, and it would go against Sasuke's character to be broken by another man.

[tasuki00]

I would be happy with Naruto using just Wind chakra to cut something during a fight.

[Hachigeneral]

Haha, hold on. His team is a bunch of scrubs. Even in Akatsuki you are supposed to go 2 S-level guys (kage level) for 1 Jinchuuriki. Sasuke was taking on the most powerful one, and due to his lack of experience got beat up before he took over. However, he DID win. Not his team. He had support, but that's normal.

How did he win? He lost two times to Killer Bee and needed phoenix downs both times. He also failed to capture Killer Bee which was his goal. I don't see any sort of win for Sasuke? He lost the fights and failed to complete his mission.


Regarding the KB vs Sasuke fight not being close: Both got very beat up. Sasuke would surely have died early on without support, but that was due to carelesness and cockyness. It was a lack of experience.

Sounds like a personal problem for Sasuke then. The fact is he died without those "scrubs" as you put it helping them. Killer Bee beat him twice even with Sasuke being supported by his teammates. How can you honestly believe Sasuke won that fight when he got destroyed so badly. Heheh.


Raikage is NOT more powerful than Killerbee. Nowhere was it stated, and it is also a completely rediculous notion that Raikage - who was narrated to *possibly* be stronger than KB ~ 3 tails (shroud) - would be more powerful, than a fully chakra'd up Mythical Beast Killerbee/8 tail beast. This is the 2nd most powerful tailed beast, with a very strong host, and you think that Raikage is stronger? Even PAIN got his ass HANDED to him by an 8 tail naruto, heck, even a 6 tail.

Well man, you say he isn't, I say he is. We'll find out soon. But pain definitely didn't do bad against the fox. Pain lost mostly to Sage mode combined with summon frogs if we were watching the same fight. Who took out all the bodies? It certainly wasn't the fox. Actually, pain did quite well against the fox and he technically had the fox subdued with Chibaku Tensei until Naruto came back in sage mode. But how do we know Raikage doesn't have enough power that can hurt/subdue Killer Bee in beast form? He might be pain x 2 for all you know.


And as far as "he wouldn't go after him if he wasn't stronger blah blah" going after Sasuke has nothing to do with logical calculation, but because his FREAKIN BROTHER just got killed. What would you do? It's not like he sat there a while and said, HEY you know what I've studied Sasuke long enough to know that I can beat him. I'm so much stronger than my brother that this is going to be a sure win. That's why I'll go.

If Raikage thought he was weaker than Sasuke he would be more willing to form that Alliance and go after Sasuke together. What did he do? He went after Sasuke ALONE. Because he thinks he is stronger than him and can smash him to pieces. The Raikage is stronger than Bee, can't really be argued man.

[ScorpionGR]

this chapter i don't think we gonna see a fight with Raikage and sasuke after tell him that his brother is not dead .. Sasuke only wants to fight with danzu .. all this is a plan from Tobi to make his move ... for that purpose he send sasuke to deal with danzu at kage meeting...

[tasuki00]

To be honest I think the Sasuke getting knocked down twice was kinda bs and bad writing. I mean Kishi needed a new opponent but Sasuke's already beaten 1000 ninja's without killing one, beat deidara, then judging by your opinion beat Itachi. So with 3 tough ninjas backing him and the mange he gets ko'ed twice. He just needed a new bigger badder guy to face and he didn't have one. A guy with 8 swords even...c'mon.

Oh and any thoughts on that new dark chakra that's going to make Sasuke finally kill people(but probably not really). Black Zetsu will revive the white one.

[Mangakotlar]

If Raikage thought he was weaker than Sasuke he would be more willing to form that Alliance and go after Sasuke together. What did he do? He went after Sasuke ALONE. Because he thinks he is stronger than him and can smash him to pieces. The Raikage is stronger than Bee, can't really be argued man.

The only thing that can't be argued is that you don't know the difference between perception and objective standing.
[hr]

Sasori, Hidan, Kakudzu, Tobi They are immortall in different ways. Pein who can control death. Danso fought with 1 hokage. How old is he? This reminds me Orochimaro. He found the way to be immortall. I mean Maadara is a great ninga but not so mutch:blink

Yeah it used to be that immortality was coveted and hard to come by. Now in part 2 people can swap limbs at will, make immortal dolls out of themselves, swap body parts like their legos...:p
[hr]

I would be happy with Naruto using just Wind chakra to cut something during a fight.

I want him to get Rinnegan. That would be fuckin badass. He needs to get rid of the Kyuubi eventually.

[M3J]

He's not evil he's full of anger and self loathing... he's confused and trying to figure out a way to get away from Madara's control... I think one he's being manipulated here or two he's about had it up to here with the BS and is going to go Naruto Style to get his goal completely... that means all out and run over everyone in the way
The fact that he's trying to kill for revenge does show a bit of his evilness. I want to point out that killing the samurai also makes him evil, but he could be trying to make sure they don't get in his way.
Let's not forget the first sign in Part II, the fact that he tried to kill Naruto and Sakura, his old comrades. He was somewhat evil, but so far, the demon probably shows how evil he is, or at least how angry. He was willing to let an innocent jinchuuriki die for power.


As i have been saying from the very start of this thread,the most important part in this chap is still danzo.he has again slipped out of focus.And look to what extent madara is going to prevent him becoming hokage,for to me, it seems to be the real reason why he is bothering to tell naruto,and most importantly kakashi and yamato all of this.these two are important jonins.

He didn't slip out of focus though, I think. Ao was told to keep an eye on him, and we still saw Danzou. The scene didn't really revert back to either of them, I guess. After few panels, it was mostly Naruto/Madara/Kakashi/Yamato and the Clouds and Taka/Samurai. Madara could suspect Itachi using Naruto as a backup plan and thus, trying to make Naruto be less inclined to talk to Sasuke into changing his plans or at least distract him from meeting Sasuke.

I so wanna see Madara and Naruto talking, but I guess Sasuke and Raikage's fight will come first, and it'll be few weeks. <__<'

[sgrey]

why is that hard for people to believe that a ninja might be more powerfull than a tailed beast? Kisame beat one just by himself, and we have no idea how others were captured. I can see Raikage to be more powerwfull than killerbee. and 9-tails can be easly controlled by madara or sasuke and poossible other uchiha.
from what I've seen in the last chapter - Sasuke killed samurai in a nutral country, aimed to kill hokage and fighting one of the kages... there is already no chance of redemption. I think he will die. I mean if Naruto forgives - other people will not. There is no going back...

[Mangakotlar]

why is that hard for people to believe that a ninja might be more powerfull than a tailed beast? Kisame beat one just by himself, and we have no idea how others were captured. I can see Raikage to be more powerwfull than killerbee. and 9-tails can be easly controlled by madara or sasuke and poossible other uchiha.
from what I've seen in the last chapter - Sasuke killed samurai in a nutral country, aimed to kill hokage and fighting one of the kages... there is already no chance of redemption. I think he will die. I mean if Naruto forgives - other people will not. There is no going back...

This is a big plot no jutsu. The tailed beasts were originally introduced as monstrous sources of power. So severe that entire countries were destroyed by them, and that they were such massive weapons of war, that 1st Hokage dolled them out to each nation as a fantastical MAD (mutual assured destruction) balancing wane. They are nuclear weapons. They are thermoberic bombs.

Now, every other ninja has the power to defeat one. Hell, SASUKE, a 16 year old kid, roughly a precocious jounin, just took out the 2nd most powerful one in existence.

The other reason that it is hard to believe is that its chakra reserves are through the roof, far outstripping raikage. Killerbee is his brother, and presumably has similar levels of skill. Even if he is weaker naturally, he has supertonic on his side, never mind all sorts of crazy techs associated with it. So yes, very hard to believe.

It seems like this generation of young jounins got some sort of HGH/steroid injections from birth, along with Ender Game like programming, because they seem to be a HELL of a lot more capable than any of the experienced, mature ninjas of the past. Hell, the only two that seem even REMOTELY comparable are Hashirama and Madara, but it seems obvious that even Madara will be killed by Sasuke.

Oh and another thing. Nagato, who seems to have had power on the level of Hashirama, was not only controlled by a 100 year old teleporting geezer with 1 eye, but lost to a 16 year old kid. Nagato, who had the most powerful doujutsu, whose techs could seal the tailed beasts, seemed to such a rediculous moron that he literally exploded a couple nuclear warheads worth of chakra before fighting the mythical 9tail.

Final plot no jutsu: If only half of kyuubi is in Naruto, what the hell were they going to do to get the other half? Presumably the Gedo needs the entire Kyuubi.

[sgrey]

This is a big plot no jutsu. The tailed beasts were originally introduced as monstrous sources of power. So severe that entire countries were destroyed by them, and that they were such massive weapons of war, that 1st Hokage dolled them out to each nation as a fantastical MAD (mutual assured destruction) balancing wane. They are nuclear weapons. They are thermoberic bombs.

Now, every other ninja has the power to defeat one. Hell, SASUKE, a 16 year old kid, roughly a precocious jounin, just took out the 2nd most powerful one in existence.

The other reason that it is hard to believe is that its chakra reserves are through the roof, far outstripping raikage. Killerbee is his brother, and presumably has similar levels of skill. Even if he is weaker naturally, he has supertonic on his side, never mind all sorts of crazy techs associated with it. So yes, very hard to believe.
Sasuke didn't really take kb out, kb faked his defeat, the issue have already been addressed before, but tha fact stays - we saw at least one beast beatten by a single ninja and we know that they can be controlled.
Also it was never stated about skill level of raikage compared to killerbee, but we know that killerbee was afraid of him and couldn't escape. I'm not saying that Raikage is stronger, I'm saying it is possible.
Plus the way it's going - everybody getting crazy powerups and becaoming more powerfull.

[Saint Markus]

Its quite obvious that is the 9 tails behind sasuke. Anyone ha been reading the manga or keen enough to be waiting on japanese releases every week should know what the kyubii demon looks like. Now the question is....Why?

just because sasuke encounter the nine tails doesn't mean it's with him too now.

could be kishi's way of showing sasuke's hatred. or his killing intent that he expressed against jugo and suigetsu when those two were fighting.


:eyeroll

Took out the inappropriate part of the post.

[enmymiguel]

ok in the past of ninja the beast tails was the most powerful thing around.
but after generation after generation the ninja world have change.
now single ninja can control/beat or go tour to tour we a beast tail.

they powerful but not unbearable or can't not be stop.

go!!!! sasuke u in every fight you show us what the manga is all about. ninjutsu/taijutsu/gensutsu and skills with blade and shuriken.
i forget and unbelievable forbidden jutsu

[Kage Level]

is no one understanding that Karin is a chakra sensor, and this demonic shadow is how she is seeing Sasuke's chakra? we've seen it before. it's almost like seeing his aura.

there is no beast except for Sasuke's hatred. whether it's being influenced or not, his hatred is growing and affecting his chakra.

[Parth]

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I want him to get Rinnegan. That would be fuckin badass. He needs to get rid of the Kyuubi eventually.

i REALLY doubt him getting rid of the QB. minato said that the only way to defeat 'TOBI' was to useSPECIAL POWER.. and he also made it wuite clear that the special power would be kyuubi's chakra.
according to naruto's character it would be more 'correct' if he did it himself.. but i would prefer tobi to be SOO strong, that there is NOO way at all to defeat him but use special powers.
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just because sasuke encounter the nine tails doesn't mean it's with him too now.

could be kishi's way of showing sasuke's hatred. or his killing intent that he expressed against jugo and suigetsu when those two were fighting.


:eyeroll

Took out the inappropriate part of the post.

hmm.. no one can be fully sure abt this whole topic.. but, it could be somewhat like the face itachi had while talking to sasuke, wen he asked, 'so uve seen the real me?' ill post a link if anyone asks,, but its JUST BEFORE the actual fight starts..
may be MS awakens something inside u/makes u more power hungry..
(also inputs more strenth in the fact that itachi killed shisui before everyone else)
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This
Final plot no jutsu: If only half of kyuubi is in Naruto, what the hell were they going to do to get the other half? Presumably the Gedo needs the entire Kyuubi.

could mean that only half the QB chakra was stored in naruto, in a way that he could use it.. the other half was just stored in him, but he cant use/actiavate it.

i like to think that QB's chakra had 2 parts.. good and bad (yin and yang) so, if the god is SO destructive, the bad must be WORSTT. hence Minato only stored the 'slightly calmer' chakra into naruto in place of the entire thing..

LONG TIME PREDICTION:- the way to fight tobi would be to spread a HUGE amount of CHAKRA, ALL THROUGH out the possible areas of his 'teleportaion'. the chakra being strong enough to hold him there, or may be something else..

[W0lf]

i REALLY doubt him getting rid of the QB. minato said that the only way to defeat 'TOBI' was to useSPECIAL POWER.. and he also made it wuite clear that the special power would be kyuubi's chakra.


manga would be called 9 tailed demon fox then :)

[Strider's♥Death]

manga would be called 9 tailed demon fox then :)
How would that make the manga be called 9 tail?

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

Sasuke didn't really take kb out, kb faked his defeat, the issue have already been addressed before, but tha fact stays - we saw at least one beast beatten by a single ninja and we know that they can be controlled.
Also it was never stated about skill level of raikage compared to killerbee, but we know that killerbee was afraid of him and couldn't escape. I'm not saying that Raikage is stronger, I'm saying it is possible.
Plus the way it's going - everybody getting crazy powerups and becaoming more powerfull.
actually it WAS implied and posibily proven that Raikage is infact stronger than the 8 tails look here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/04/
he said not since his brother has anyone been able to deflect 8 tails.
that itself proves that the Raikage is a complete BEAST.
edit- and also i don't understand where people keep getting the idea of Sasuke beating Killerbee.
1.The WHOLE TEAM had to fight him not just Sasuke and even then Sasuke almost died two times and if it wasn't for jugo and karin he would be dead.
2.as someone else said Killerbee FAKED being defeated inorder to get away so i definetly wouldn't call that a victory for sasuke and even if it was and still wouldn't be sasuke's victory but Team Taka's victory

[xXOffspringXx]

manga would be called 9 tailed demon fox then :)

that reminds me of when people used to say "they might as well call the manga sasuke" back when he was init alot

[Strider's♥Death]

actually it WAS implied and posibily proven that Raikage is infact stronger than the 8 tails look here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/04/
he said not since his brother has anyone been able to deflect 8 tails.
that itself proves that the Raikage is a complete BEAST.

Not necessarily, it just proves one factual thing, that the raikage was able to deflect that 3 tail cloak attack.

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

Not necessarily, it just proves one factual thing, that the raikage was able to deflect that 3 tail cloak attack.
dude u must have read it wrong,
he said "number 8" not "number 3" meaning he was refering to the 8 tails itself.
also if i'm not mistaken killerbee was using 4 tails in the form

[xXOffspringXx]

dude u must have read it wrong,
he said "number 8" not "number 3" meaning he was refering to the 8 tails itself.
also if i'm not mistaken killerbee was using 4 tails in the form

ya but him referring to the 8 tails itself isnt him saying that his brother took on all 8 tails

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

ya but him referring to the 8 tails itself isnt him saying that his brother took on all 8 tails
excuss me but wut?
he was refering to the number of tails and he said number 8 and when all the tails of a beast is released it becomes that beast which is why when killerbee released all 8 tails he actually BECAME the 8 tails.
so Raikage had to have taken on the 8 tails

[yonjuushichi]

actually it WAS implied and posibily proven that Raikage is infact stronger than the 8 tails look here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/413/04/
he said not since his brother has anyone been able to deflect 8 tails.
that itself proves that the Raikage is a complete BEAST.

I don't think so. People who are able to control bijuus fully seem to be the strongest ones :) Basing on what we know so far Kirabi might be stronger. Still, it appears we don't know what Raikage's powers are. IMHO further discussion on who's stronger is a waste of time.

Getting back on the track, I assume a third party is going to interrupt this battle. There is no effing chance that Sasuke or Raikage kill each other.
I'd love to see a great comeback of Kirabi :)

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

I don't think so. People who are able to control bijuus fully seem to be the strongest ones :) Basing on what we know so far Kirabi might be stronger. Still, it appears we don't know what Raikage's powers are. IMHO further discussion on who's stronger is a waste of time.

Getting back on the track, I assume a third party is going to interrupt this battle. There is no effing chance that Sasuke or Raikage kill each other.
I'd love to see a great comeback of Kirabi :)
but i'm not talking about "Controlling" them i'm talking about fighting them. here's and example,
the 1st Hokage was able to controll ALL tailed beast through a certain technique but does that mean he's stronger?
the answer NO.
Madara could controll 9 tails through the use of EMS, but does that mean he is stronger?
answer NO.
know the strongest ninja in Konoha history "even stronger then the 1st acording to Sarutobi" the 4th Hokage took on the 9 tails and couldn't find a way to beat the 9 tails.
know does that mean he is weaker than the 1st?
ofcoarse not. so there is a HUGE diffrence in being able to controll a tailed beast and being able to fight one.
Raikage actually FOUGHT the 8 tails and is implied to have been able to hold him off wich proves that Raikage is EXTREMELY strong

[Jadedmariner]

excuss me but wut?
he was refering to the number of tails and he said number 8 and when all the tails of a beast is released it becomes that beast which is why when killerbee released all 8 tails he actually BECAME the 8 tails.
so Raikage had to have taken on the 8 tails

No he is simply referring to the 8 tails as his 8th weapon.

[Drybones]

I predict that: sasuke had a plane to screw Madara, and it dident go so well..
Actually i predict that kakashi gives naruto his fatahers space-time kunai.
so he can protect himself from Madaras soon to be released bad ass jutsus.


Itatchi:
is not dead.. :)
hope i get alot of u mad now :D
but there is now freaking way he's dead..
Sasuke just needed to think he's dead..
Sharingan awakens by feelings not reality..


OrochiButo\Kabutomaru:
He will fight naruto \ sasuke and lose, so the Oro-flesh he implanted will take over, and BOOM, ORO WILL BE BACK WITH..


Migty Guy; sry guys i love this guy... but he gotta die..
Lee will never ever be able to compete in the same arsenal as naruto if his sensei doesent die...

[xXOffspringXx]

I predict that: sasuke had a plane to screw Madara, and it dident go so well..
Actually i predict that kakashi gives naruto his fatahers space-time kunai.
so he can protect himself from Madaras soon to be released bad ass jutsus.


Itatchi:
is not dead.. :)
hope i get alot of u mad now :D
but there is now freaking way he's dead..
Sasuke just needed to think he's dead..
Sharingan awakens by feelings not reality..


OrochiButo\Kabutomaru:
He will fight naruto \ sasuke and lose, so the Oro-flesh he implanted will take over, and BOOM, ORO WILL BE BACK WITH..


Migty Guy; sry guys i love this guy... but he gotta die..
Lee will never ever be able to compete in the same arsenal as naruto if his sensei doesent die...

blasphemy! jk... interesting/bizarre theories.... some more than others .if itachi is alive i'll buy you a coke

[Gats]

I don't know why you think Naruto will have his father's space time jutsu, he died young and Kakashi was very young, even if he was a genius the chance to know how Minato's jutsu works is very small.

[Drybones]

If Kakashi's kalidoscope can cut of deidaras arm, cant he fire it off right @ madara, take him in current time space and woopass.. ? shud work no?

btw how possible is it for sigetsu to actually get kisame's sword?
if kisame easy takes down a biju ?
no wonder Sigetsu is sticking to sasuke (he doesent stand a chance alone :D)



Wonder if in the end we will we Konahamaru and Naruto fight for the hokage title :) that would be great :)
[hr]

I don't know why you think Naruto will have his father's space time jutsu, he died young and Kakashi was very young, even if he was a genious the chance to know how Minato's jutsu works is very small.

Well then i predict that naruto will make his own space time jutsu...


naruto has enormus chackra pool riight?
and replacement teqneque requiers alot..
If naruto makes a 100 clones, i think he can use repleacement jutsu and trade places with a clone.. he will also require sage mode for the Speed


would be cool

[Gats]

Well then i predict that naruto will make his own space time jutsu...


naruto has enormus chackra pool riight?
and replacement teqneque requiers alot..
If naruto makes a 100 clones, i think he can use repleacement jutsu and trade places with a clone.. he will also require sage mode for the Speed


would be cool

This is not Naruto fighting style. Jiraya or Tsunade (I don't remember well right now) stated that Naruto fight style is not like his father's.
Even if Naruto has sage mode, he is not really the type to be a speedy ninja like Sasuke or his father in a way, he is a very tricky ninja, he fights by doing a lot of tricks with his clones.

[enmymiguel]

ok to defeat madara
naruto only need to have sasuke to hes side and it over or the original kakashi team.

they don't need space-time jutsu. they only need to find a way to fight it.

[naruto78]

Naruto may have a space time jutsu with his kagebunshins ! bunshins will replace the kunai and he will be able to travel thanks to them. The real body will switch with the bunshins wherever they are.

[Drybones]

Naruto may have a space time jutsu with his kagebunshins ! bunshins will replace the kunai and he will be able to travel thanks to them. The real body will switch with the bunshins wherever they are.

Exacly.. ive been thinking this for 2-3 years now..
know he's a tricky ninja instead of a fast one, but what would be more tricky then travel among the clones unseen..

[hbk334]

naruto will gain control over 9 tails cause he requireda partner to get him out of genjutsu and the beast is perfectly suited for that.And i believe raikage is gonna die then 8 tails will atk konoha to get revenge

[David Gill]

Ok this is may take on whats going to happen:

1) Sasuke eventually gains the upper hand over Raikage after an equal fight.
2) Killerbee arrives at the endroit of battle and confronts Sasuke.
3) Sasuke gets beaten but not killed.
4) Naruto intervenes, and eventually a battle pans out between killerbee and the nine tails.

[Mack]

Back to the disscussion about new Manga, we are forgetting, that raikage has backup. team Samui is somewhere close, and they might be waiting for Raikage to call them to fight...

[bennibb]

I wonder if Sasuke wil tell Raikage that Bee sliped away. Not that Raikage is gonna beleve anything anyway. But Sasuke may be pissed now couse Zetsu betrayed him. So maybe Sasuke atleast wil try... But then again... Sasuke is pissed aswell... and might not even admit failure

[Jadedmariner]

I wonder if Sasuke wil tell Raikage that Bee sliped away. Not that Raikage is gonna beleve anything anyway. But Sasuke may be pissed now couse Zetsu betrayed him. So maybe Sasuke atleast wil try... But then again... Sasuke is pissed aswell... and might not even admit failure

Sasuke may tell Raikage about KB at some point, but it isn't gonna be for a couple chapters. They are both beyond discussions at this point, so most of the talking is going to come from their subordinates and cut aways to the other two groups.

[911119]

My guess is most probably Sasuke will tell Raikage that his brother some how escaped through him .... but still Raikage will use him as a Punching bag :D :D :D

[Gats]

My guess is most probably Sasuke will tell Raikage that his brother some how escaped through him .... but still Raikage will use him as a Punching bag :D :D :D

In chapter 460, Sasuke seems not in the mood to say anything.

[Tiraga]

I hope this chapter stars to explain what is happening to Sasuke.
All I need:p

Anyway...there are no spoilers?:oh

Indeed the fight is going to be kick*ss, but I'm desperately waiting for the talk between Madara and Naruto. That talk should clear up alot about Sasuke's mental problems :blink

[-Ren Boy-]

Ok this is may take on whats going to happen:

1) Sasuke eventually gains the upper hand over Raikage after an equal fight.
2) Killerbee arrives at the endroit of battle and confronts Sasuke.
3) Sasuke gets beaten but not killed.
4) Naruto intervenes, and eventually a battle pans out between killerbee and the nine tails.

there is a likely chance that Killerbee DOESN'T know about the kage meeting. The only way he would find out is if he went to a ninja and asks whats going on. And that ninja would just pass the info onto the Raikage that Killerbee is alive

[gold349]

Sasuke may tell Raikage about KB at some point, but it isn't gonna be for a couple chapters. They are both beyond discussions at this point, so most of the talking is going to come from their subordinates and cut aways to the other two groups.


I'd like to see a great fight between Sasuke and Raikage but have a feeling that it isn't going to be to the death. Madara and Naruto's chit chat will get some panel(s)/page(s) time. Given that many want to see both of these without interruption skipping from one to the other...Danzou basically being held as a prisoner that situation, the tense atmosphere could crumble with Danzou getting up to leave there could become 3 or even more groups creating a situation needing chapter(s)/page(s) that would be sick.

[-Ren Boy-]

Sasuke may tell Raikage about KB at some point, but it isn't gonna be for a couple chapters. They are both beyond discussions at this point, so most of the talking is going to come from their subordinates and cut aways to the other two groups.

Did you not see the last chapter(Well you did i know :p). Raikage ran through walls to hunt for Sasuke, and Sasuke ran through "20" samurais to get to danzou. Both of them are inflactuated with anger, there is no speechs in this battle.

It would also lose tension that Kishi has been trying to build up for the last 10 chapters. One of the main things we have been thinking is "OMGWTFBBQ SASUKE AND RAIKAGE, IN THE SAME BUILDING W000T!" and Kishi would dissapoint if they have a little chat as if nothing major is not going in eachothers lives -_-;

Leave the speaches and more fights, we need to get the Sasuke back who says very little words but just totally rips up everyone(when he killed those 1000 nins :p)

[Tiraga]

Did you not see the last chapter(Well you did i know :p). Raikage ran through walls to hunt for Sasuke, and Sasuke ran through "20" samurais to get to danzou. Both of them are inflactuated with anger, there is no speechs in this battle.

It would also lose tension that Kishi has been trying to build up for the last 10 chapters. One of the main things we have been thinking is "OMGWTFBBQ SASUKE AND RAIKAGE, IN THE SAME BUILDING W000T!" and Kishi would dissapoint if they have a little chat as if nothing major is not going in eachothers lives -_-;

Leave the speaches and more fights, we need to get the Sasuke back who says very little words but just totally rips up everyone(when he killed those 1000 nins :p)

LoL I guess this was Sasuke's first real kill :darn I think you're revering to those nins back in his apprenticeship under Oro? He didn't kill a single one of them :p

But yeah there will be a LOT of fighting the upcoming chaps :D but like the depth the manga has build up with just chatting :amuse so don't skip the chatting please :p but THIS fight doesn't need chats in there ;)

[Jadedmariner]

Did you not see the last chapter(Well you did i know :p). Raikage ran through walls to hunt for Sasuke, and Sasuke ran through "20" samurais to get to danzou. Both of them are inflactuated with anger, there is no speechs in this battle.

It would also lose tension that Kishi has been trying to build up for the last 10 chapters. One of the main things we have been thinking is "OMGWTFBBQ SASUKE AND RAIKAGE, IN THE SAME BUILDING W000T!" and Kishi would dissapoint if they have a little chat as if nothing major is not going in eachothers lives -_-;

Leave the speaches and more fights, we need to get the Sasuke back who says very little words but just totally rips up everyone(when he killed those 1000 nins :p)

Did you even bother reading what I actually said? I said he may at some point tell him, but definitely not for a few chapters. I even stated the exact reason you cite for them not talking immediately. Seriously!

[Weapon_X]

Raikage is gonna bust up Sasuke's chest again :lmao

[-Ren Boy-]

Did you even bother reading what I actually said? I said he may at some point tell him, but definitely not for a few chapters. I even stated the exact reason you cite for them not talking immediately. Seriously!

your saying there could be a speach in a couple of chapters and i am sayingthere is going to be no speachs through the battle straight up

Sasuke thinks of Raikage as a block, so Sasuke is going to destroy everything in his way simple as. He has been saying that for a long time

[Muhbaer]

w00t spoiler.
someone can translate it ? ^^

edit: babelfish trans -.-
As for title >< where you forget as for the back cover [katsuyu] When vengeance immediately nearly is, with anger calmness not to hear either that [sasuke] which was applied says [jiyuugo], special attack to do in the thunder shadow(Raikage?), according to of gal man information also technique of the blowing [tsu] throwing & the thunder is let flow with the person who can produce the wall of the water 遁 of the gal man, the fellow uses, also the attribute having shelf [ikemeso] fire 遁 of the thunder being direct, because it seems, it neglects the defense with the water 遁, is, that [re]… of water monthThe [tsu] [te] which information of [sasuke] leaks and sows it is it is When [ikemeso] stops the movement, the electric vision thunder luminous pillar (even solar fist like is) [jiyuugo] receives the vision technique where vision technique extent [sasuke] is crushed completely flatly in the thunder shadow, but [sasuke] does solution and water month catches single blow of the thunder shadow, but at that time the dismissal kitchen knife breaks into true [tsu] two and the arm makes broken, (as for the damage when improbable but water month it is dense the fragment we which is not there is no single blow, the bone of the arm is sloppy with water something… [sasuke] excessive thing >< To the board room as for us as for the ~ blue which how is done as for the vigilance ~ Earth Shadow(Tsuchikage?) of the Don elephant(danzo?) as for the waiting ~ offering/accompanying woman seeing [sasuke] which did the [deidara] older brother as for the like ~ un pan as for weight ~ [gaara] of the earth shadow(tsuchikage?), the kind of air which answering does not come out yet >< is from this with to [sasuke] the return If [ikemeso] so you say, because already one person was the ~ to accompany is searched, after the gal man [jiyuugo] fellow who is asked does perception type first unless [jiyuugo] becomes 呪 sign type and 2 becomes homicide impulsive bare type the [ze] ~ killing!!! It rides in the thunder shadow figure the ~!!　At the place where it thrusts with the [tsu] the finishing [naruto] did not come out this time one time.

no naruto this chapter?


edit: the second spoiler(english) is a fake.(edit2: 2nd spoiler was removed)

[Jadedmariner]

your saying there could be a speach in a couple of chapters and i am sayingthere is going to be no speachs through the battle straight up

When did I ever say there would be a frickin speech? Raikage is definitely going to say something about his brother in anger. This isn't going to be some silent mime fight. Whether Sasuke actually responds or not, hell if I know, but I'm not going to rule it out. That doesn't mean they are going to stop fighting and have some stupid monologue.

[gold349]

Raikage is gonna bust up Sasuke's chest again :lmao


LOL Juugo has boosted that area from flat chest to 36DD :p.

Sasuke is acting all hauty/full of himself Raikage puts a hole in him now and Sasuke is as good as captured.

[The Closet Pervert]

w00t spoiler.
someone can translate it ? ^^

edit: babelfish trans -.-

Use translate.google.com, I think it gives more sensible answers :)

Anyway, looks like this chapter is focused on the Sasuke's fight. I wonder if Kishi is going to show the Naruto & Madara talk at all. That'd be a twist. Especially if Kishi intends to show it as flashbacks or something.

Hmm I wonder *waits patiently for a proper translation*

[-Ren Boy-]

Raikage is gonna bust up Sasuke's chest again :lmao

Lol nah it wont be again, but if Sasuke's chest gets targeted and hurt this will be him

"WTF man, don't use two know how to play fair! Gosh it must run in the family...attack the opponents chest. I am going to eat your first child!"

[ameya730]

the google translation seems to have naruto's name in it so i guess there must be some thing or else its just sasuke remembering naruto

[Weapon_X]

Something says about Juugo going CS2 and threating to kill people...I think he is going ape shit. ;) And apparently there is a lot of Lightining Jutsus flying about and Sasuke gets hit by Lightining.

[Ichiro Suzuki]

the google translation seems to have naruto's name in it so i guess there must be some thing or else its just sasuke remembering naruto

Doesn't seem like it.


Naruto is also one did not come out this time.

That's what it says. It says that randomly after saying about juugo going to lvl 2.

[midman]

the google translation seems to have naruto's name in it so i guess there must be some thing or else its just sasuke remembering naruto


I guess it's just Nja adding that Naruto is not present in this episode.

By the way, does the spoiler mean, that Juugo got caught up in his Cursed Seal and went on rampage?

[gold349]

chapter covers part of Sasuke fight as well as the tensions at the meeting table. Danzou is being practically kept there, I can't see him acting a prisoner, Danzou making a move the meeting could become another battle ground.

[Jotaro Kujo]

Sorry but...the last line of the nja's spoiler says naruto there isn't in this chapter but in the second spoiler of the topic we talk about him ... the second is a fake?:p

[midman]

Moreover, I am truly dissapointed that Naruto will "miss" this episode, if the google translation was okay. Hope his chat with Madara will be a great one, worth waiting for.

Sasuke's fight with Killerbee took about 5 episodes. That's a month in real life. I won't be surprised if his fight with Raikage will last that long too. This means... boredom. Anyone agrees?

[ameya730]

Moreover, I am truly dissapointed that Naruto will "miss" this episode, if the google translation was okay. Hope his chat with Madara will be a great one, worth waiting for.

Sasuke's fight with Killerbee took about 5 episodes. That's a month in real life. I won't be surprised if his fight with Raikage will last that long too. This means... boredom. Anyone agrees?

i dont think his fight will take 5 episodes and even if it takes that many episodes i am sure kishi is not going to to focus only on sasuke there is too much happening currently to just focus on the fight

he would probably divide his time between the summit the fight and the conversation with more emphasis on the fight

[The Closet Pervert]

After so long without any Sasuke fights, I think focusing more on Sasuke for once is a good thing. I mean almost whole Pain arc (nearly 30 chapters or more?) without any Sasuke. That's a long time.

It's Sasuke's turn to get the spotlight!

[Muhbaer]

I hope the chapter is not only filled with this fight

[David Gill]

After so long without any Sasuke fights, I think focusing more on Sasuke for once is a good thing. I mean almost whole Pain arc (nearly 30 chapters or more?) without any Sasuke. That's a long time.

It's Sasuke's turn to get the spotlight!

lol, Sasuke's had the spotlight since the word GO! If anything he needs to die.

[Koen]

Reminder: this thread is to discuss about a spoiler's content. It may REGULARLY happen people will post to label a certain spoiler as fake. Please report them instead of spamming the thread with these posts since we'll eventually have to delete these posts and reporting makes it easier for us all ;) anyway thanks for your understanding ^^

[Muhbaer]

the google trans says something about danzo offering his help. maybe we see another danzo interaction

[Drybones]

OP is the first manga out of the top 3 to be released on thursday/early friday.

J is long gone :p
<hr noshade size="1">

:facepalm i know what you can predict...THIS chapter

This is not a spoiler :) just my imagination :D
Naruto Manga 461

-Sasuke fights Raikage
-Raikage beasts sasuke to the ground
-Sasuke has allready Raikage in his illusion
-Sasuke tells Raikage that killerbee is alive and well,
he never ment to catch him for akutski he allways knew what he brought back to them (the tentacle)


Changes to naruto:
Madara tells naruto whats going on with sasuke, and that he is going to kill all the kages..
Naruto blow up in rage, him kakashi and yamato desides to pickup lee and shikamaru and neji.

Changes to sasuke:
-the other teams catchs up to sasuke and reikage, they attack sasuke
-sasuke disapares in crows like itatchi did when talking to naruto

Change back to naruto:
-They are all ready to leave @ the old\new konaha gate:
Neji - lee - shikamaru
Kakashi - yamato and naruto
Naruto says: got to go 2 Frogmountan a sec with some bushins
Kakashi:?
Yamato:?
Naruto goes: Pof. Back

Changes back to sasuke
Karin: they are still looking for us sasuke.. what do we do now?
Sigetsu: lets look for Kisame
Sasuke: Sigetsu all in good time, lets finish of danzo first
Karin: he is on his way back to konaha, on his chackramovement it looks like his in a hurry...

Sasuke: lets go...


After some running in the woods, and some crap talk naruto (++) meets danzo in the woods, and sasuke is only minutes away...

NEXT WEEKEND Manga 462

[gold349]

Moreover, I am truly dissapointed that Naruto will "miss" this episode, if the google translation was okay. Hope his chat with Madara will be a great one, worth waiting for.

Sasuke's fight with Killerbee took about 5 episodes. That's a month in real life. I won't be surprised if his fight with Raikage will last that long too. This means... boredom. Anyone agrees?

your kidding yes?, this is epic, Sasuke vs ? have been a little boring but I feel different about this fight. Raikage is serious and so is Sasuke neither of them are messing about...Raikage 'you will feel my wrath, brat' has me on edge, excited for this battle for sure.

[Mack]

lol, Sasuke's had the spotlight since the word GO! If anything he needs to die.

Yeah! That's the spirit!

More so: Last year was mostly about Sasuke, this time, i want him get off and let naruto handle this. I know, it may not happen...

[Muhbaer]

I wonder how strong Raikage is(brute strength).
Maybe as string as gai since he had no problems pushing a sand nin through the wall during the orochimaru invasion.
And the spoiler tells something about...broken arms?!

[midman]

the google trans says something about danzo offering his help. maybe we see another danzo interaction

If it is true, than Danzou acts very wisely. His ass was nearly burnt by Ao's discovery, and now he maybe tries to purify himself/replace the tension center from him/get away from Sasuke.

With Sasuke engulfing in the fight, Juugo going wild and probably Suigetsu interfering (some water jutsus in the google text, if I'm right) there is no stop to Raikage fight. Awesome showdown of hatred and power. Some people discussed if Sasuke will reveal not killing Killerbee. Well, it's seems it won't go that way.

[Jadedmariner]

It says something about Deidara and Gaara.

[Muhbaer]

It says something about Deidara and Gaara.

wasn't deidara an earth-nuke-nin?
it says something about older brother?

[midman]

your kidding yes?, this is epic, Sasuke vs ? have been a little boring but I feel different about this fight. Raikage is serious and so is Sasuke neither of them are messing about...Raikage 'you will feel my wrath, brat' has me on edge, excited for this battle for sure.

No, I'm not kidding. I would rather see Naruto's chat with Madara or Danzou's future that some "bang bang, you're dead". Hope the fight will regularly interrupted by the scenes mentioned above. Or that the battle ends in a completely improbable way!

[peinsensei]

wasn't deidara an earth-nuke-nin?
it says something about older brother?

may be older brother of sasuke i.e. itachi.

[Jadedmariner]

wasn't deidara an earth-nuke-nin?
it says something about older brother?

Yeah I think it says that Deidara was the older brother of the kunoichi from Iwagakure.

After cycling through all my firefox plugins translations, they all seem to translate that line in different orders and different ways. Seems kind of up in the air.

[EL Patrao]

Bottom line is....Its Good Ole Sasuke's Tym Ta Shine!:facepalm

[gold349]

the spoiler mentions Juugo and Suigetsu...so far they haven't displayed anything memorable. Kishi should charge/boost them up a bit, Sasuke companions should be shown to have jutus/techniques power of their own to be mixing it up here...out of the 3 suigetsu who aims to take samahada from kisame (kage level +) at least should be shown to have at least potential so when the time comes its not all taken out of his ass when he does that?.

[Jadedmariner]

The only thing I can say for sure is the spoiler ends with Juugo going CS2 and having his huge murderous intent. I also seem to get something about his arms being broken in a single blow earlier in the spoiler by about half the translators that FoxLingo provides.



Edit: Btw if you have firefox I recommend getting the FoxLingo plugin. It allows you to translate the page using about 8-10 different translating sites. They still don't give you a great translation, but it let's you piece things together somewhat.

[lvarella]

I was thinking, when Madara said that Nagato was supposed to use the jutsu that revive people, maybe he was not talking about him, but about Sasuke. Imagine you dying and someone bring you back to life, for sure you gonna be grateful and respectful to that person and follow Madara like a puppet.

What do you guys think?

On topic: Seems to be a great fight is happening and Juugo, Sasuke and Sugeitsu get hurt. Lighting all over the place. Raikage is not fodder.

[midman]

The only thing I can say for sure is the spoiler ends with Juugo going CS2 and having his huge murderous intent. I also seem to get something about his arms being broken in a single blow earlier in the spoiler by about half the translators that FoxLingo provides.

You're right. I also suspect that in the beginning of the fight Raikage and his minions power overwhelm and demolish Sasuke's squad. Maybe Juugo going to 2nd level means turning tables in the next episode.

Sasuke promised to be Juugo's cage. In the middle of the fight Juugo goes crazy. What will eaten up by hatred Sasuke do? If he won't stop Juugo, than he is unworthy being Taka's commander for me. This may be the end of Taka.


From the last spoiler: <<"Sea truly solve the copy wheel eye Sasuke! ! ! ! " - google translation>>
Wow! Shii was able to see through the Sharingan? Shii is sharingan-proof?"

[Darth Executor]

Sasuke promised to be Juugo's cage. In the middle of the fight Juugo goes crazy. What will eaten up by hatred Sasuke do? If he won't stop Juugo, than he is unworthy being Taka's commander for me. This may be the end of Taka.



Huh? Why should he stop Juugo in the middle of a fight? Juugo didn't want to kill innocent people, but if he chose to fight these people let him go nuts on them.

[Lego_Man]

Wasn't Juugo a kid BEFORE they discovered them? O.o

[g1534]

What sucks is that it says naruto wasn't even in this chapter. That completely blows.

[alarulrajan]

Do anybody think where the Zetzu guy present? Is he betrayed Sasuke?

[juUnior]

CS2 Juugo - we haven't seen him in this whole form before, it will be interesting sight <3<3
And Sasuke vs Raikage = just more awesomeness in fights <3<3
Even sth with the meeting, nice.
And no Naruto - he will be back in next chapter, hyhy <3

[Mythsoul]

hehe....this will be an awesome fight......wonder if Sasuke will tell the Raikage that they didn't capture killerbee.......after the Raikage makes him eat a few of his fist........and ditto I can't wait to see Juugo with full on CS2

and where the hell is Karin.....she ran away o_O??

[sarutobi_sensei]

:o interesting, Juugo CS2 x)

Sasuke's so busted x)

[jdw]

The beginning of the end of Taka? If so, this is the best type of chapter. I can't wait until Taka is completely obliterated.

As for those saying it has been forever since we had a sasuke fight, he got molested by Bee not all that long ago and the only real fight since then was Naruto v. Pain.

[The Closet Pervert]

Sasuke uses genjutsu to hide Juugo from enemies sight..? That's pretty clever. They all focusfire Sasuke while Juugo attacks them (unnoticed)?

The fight looks very promising this far. But the enemy (Raikage + his 2 lackeys) know Sasukes abilities pretty well, Sasuke needs to pull something completely new out of his ass to win this battle.

[jdw]

hehe....this will be an awesome fight......wonder if Sasuke will tell the Raikage that they didn't capture killerbee.......after the Raikage makes him eat a few of his fist........and ditto I can't wait to see Juugo with full on CS2

and where the hell is Karin.....she ran away o_O??

Well, she does seem to be aware of the level of craziness going on, she would be wise to split.

[Weapon_X]

So the Raikage can use Suiton also...preety cool.

[Nagaki]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

This chapter at least has some serious action Guys, come on!!

Like a Bar Fight gone wild!! YES!!

[TeAm#7FoReVer]

Sasuke uses genjutsu to hide Juugo from enemies sight..? That's pretty clever. They all focusfire Sasuke while Juugo attacks them (unnoticed)?

The fight looks very promising this far. But the enemy (Raikage + his 2 lackeys) know Sasukes abilities pretty well, Sasuke needs to pull something completely new out of his ass to win this battle.

I noticed that too, they (including Raikage) seems to already know Sasuke´s abilities and jutsus. Sasuke will need to show an amazing attack to surprise and defeat them (with his team of course). A question comes to my mind, where is Karin? Was she so scaried when she saw that shadow?

[Gats]

Raikage: Don't get too furious!

Raikage saying this is...weird !

[ophidial]

From the last spoiler: <<"Sea truly solve the copy wheel eye Sasuke! ! ! ! " - google translation>>
Wow! Shii was able to see through the Sharingan? Shii is sharingan-proof?"

Maybe Shi is the result of all the studies the cloud did on the hyuuga. The chapter is shaping up to be awesome, even though the tide is most likely gonna change pretty soon, I'll just enjoy the beatdown while it lasts.

[Gats]

So the Raikage can use Suiton also...preety cool.

I think it's one of his ninja who made this jutsu.

[jdw]

Raikage saying this is...weird !

Maybe he thinks Sasuke has no right, and that it is his place to be furious. But it does sound a little strange even so. No matter what he has done, Sasuke has a right to be furious if someone is trying to kill him, lol

[sarutobi_sensei]

Raikage saying this is...weird !
XD He's even mocking them!

I'm loving this xD

[Weapon_X]

Finally a proper fight...it's been nearly 20 chapters since we saw a proper and a major fight like this. Wow 20 chapters is a lot which contained Negato's flashback/death/revival no Jutsu/Naruto getting beat up/ 5 Kages etc...;)

[Destined_One]

I noticed that too, they (including Raikage) seems to already know Sasuke´s abilities and jutsus. Sasuke will need to show an amazing attack to surprise and defeat them (with his team of course). A question comes to my mind, where is Karin? Was she so scaried when she saw that shadow?

Tis true they know his abilities. But the data they have is likely Konoha account of Sasukes fighting attributes, which would consist of his part 1 abilities and the brief encounter with team 7. Sasuke's latest power up, Mangekyou Sharigan will be the turning point, as the Raikages water wall will have lil affect against Ametarasu, and possibly Tsyukomi. But id rather this fight not carry on to long, hopefully a small skirmish to hype either side.

[gold349]

No, I'm not kidding. I would rather see Naruto's chat with Madara or Danzou's future that some "bang bang, you're dead". Hope the fight will regularly interrupted by the scenes mentioned above. Or that the battle ends in a completely improbable way!

Sasuke vs Raikage is very important to the whole scheme of things involving Sasuke. How things go in this fight...chatting will be kept to a minimum that could be assumed, Sasuke's future, what is intentionally or unintentionally let out of info will determine Sasuke punishment for invading/attack Kumo/BEE and how Naruto plays things from now on concerning Sasuke...it would be a waste of all build up if decent enough portion wasn't given to this battle. There are other situations beginning, chit chat over there and a hard core battle this side the spoiler seemed to indicate 2 thirds was fight and the rest back at the meeting if its like that then it will be all good.


I was thinking, when Madara said that Nagato was supposed to use the jutsu that revive people, maybe he was not talking about him, but about Sasuke. Imagine you dying and someone bring you back to life, for sure you gonna be grateful and respectful to that person and follow Madara like a puppet.

What do you guys think?

On topic: Seems to be a great fight is happening and Juugo, Sasuke and Sugeitsu get hurt. Lighting all over the place. Raikage is not fodder.


I think so too, Raikage, he is coming across a beast, actually he has trained/sparred with a beast, BEE, he has to be long way off from being fodder. The land of Iron is going to need builders and carpenters like konoha when this battle ends lol. Madara's chit chat could become kidnap/capture Naruto, as he has sent kisame of to hunt kirabi. Sasuke and Raikage fight should suck them in too, Naruto, Kakashi and Yamato are not enough to stop Madara and Sasuke battle with Raikage needs to end with out a kill, both parties could come handy in escaping?.

[Gats]

Maybe he thinks Sasuke has no right, and that it is his place to be furious. But it does sound a little strange even so. No matter what he has done, Sasuke has a right to be furious if someone is trying to kill him, lol

Well after reflexion, I guess he said this to Juugo in CS2 berserk mode, because I'm not sure that he's the type of guy to say "kill him" when he is normal.

But it's still weird !

[ameya730]

wow kishi is really showing awesome fight sequences i was never expecting it to be an all out fight

i am glad kishi did not stick to a "raikage: i will fight him alone" kind of cliche

this just makes the fight more enjoyable and complex it looks like this fight will have all the fighting styles

[Weapon_X]

LOL Since the Cloud team have info on Sasuke, if Sasuke gets defeated here I bet people are gonna say "OH! A Handicap! Unfair battle! The cloud had info on him!" There's bound to be some peeps mentioning it...like the way they did with Naruto against Pain. -_-;

[Saint Markus]

i can see raikage literally killing everyone there right now, i mean sasuke and his group barely survived fighting killer bee.

what's up with zetsu, did raikage really kill his other half?.

[jdw]

LOL Since the Cloud team have info on Sasuke, if Sasuke gets defeated here I bet people are gonna say "OH! A Handicap! Unfair battle! The cloud had info on him!" There's bound to be some peeps mentioning it...like the way they did with Naruto against Pain. -_-;

No way. Hell-to-the-no! Even though they have info, he has the element of surprise, and he attacked the Kage Summit. He can't cry about it later and neither can his fans. He came to them! He decided when the fight would begin, he could have done recon instead but he chose not to.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

No way. Hell-to-the-no! Even though they have info, he has the element of surprise, and he attacked the Kage Summit. He can't cry about it later and neither can his fans. He came to them! He decided when the fight would begin, he could have done recon instead but he chose not to.

Not really, Zetsu/Madara decided when the fight should start.

[Weapon_X]

No way. Hell-to-the-no! Even though they have info, he has the element of surprise, and he attacked the Kage Summit. He can't cry about it later and neither can his fans. He came to them! He decided when the fight would begin, he could have done recon instead but he chose not to.

Yeah but...you or I ain't no Professor Xavier that we could enter people's mind and change their views about the fight. :lmao There will always be "he hasn't recovered from Bee" "Sasuke doesn't have any info on the Raikage but the Raikage had info on him" etc...but anyway, they were testing his abilities out fair and square. It's going to be a fair fight. After all, we do agree on that that's what ninjas do but there will be commotion LOL

[Gats]

LOL Since the Cloud team have info on Sasuke, if Sasuke gets defeated here I bet people are gonna say "OH! A Handicap! Unfair battle! The cloud had info on him!" There's bound to be some peeps mentioning it...like the way they did with Naruto against Pain. -_-;

When ninjas are fighting we should not expect a fair battle, everything is good to use, they are not warriors or samurais.
For me cloud having intel on him is part of weapon, too bad for Sasuke if he didn't think to ask Zetsu or Madara some intel about other kages abilities in case.

[Destined_One]

No way. Hell-to-the-no! Even though they have info, he has the element of surprise, and he attacked the Kage Summit. He can't cry about it later and neither can his fans. He came to them! He decided when the fight would begin, he could have done recon instead but he chose not to.

Well they would likely only know what Genin Sasuke possessed, if it was the information from Konoha. So Kirin, MS and anything not shown to Team 7 is unknown. Cloud don't know as much as they think tbh. Considering Sasuke's basic Katon/Raiton jutsu's aren't what they need to watch out for.

[michael-ds]

Traduccion español
By: michael-ds http://uyanime.wordpress.com
Sasuke comienza atacando al Raikage
Entonces Sasuke lo atacan con un Suiton Jutsu, entonces utiliza el elemento rayo para contra atacar.
Subordinado 1: La información es correcta. Su elemento natural es el elemento rayo.
Subordinado 2: el puede utilizar el jutsu de fuego también. No se olvide de utilizar el Suiton Jutsu para su defensa.
Suigetsu: OH. Han conseguido información sobre las técnicas de Sasuke?

Subordinadas 2: Tiene que detener su movimiento este utiliza un Raiton Flashlight Jutsu (similar a un kamehameha de Dball)
Juugo es derribado. Sasuke recibe un puñetazo del Raikage, Sasuke utiliza un genjutsu y Suigetsu bloquea el ataque de Raikage. Suigetsu: Si no soy yo, su codo ya ha roto.

La escena cambia a la sala de la reunión
Ao está viendo en Danzou. Tsuchikage está a la espera y su acompañante junto a él dice que le gustaría ver el tipo que mato a Deidara, Gaara los queda mirando.
La escena cambia de nuevo a Sasuke
Subordinadas dos: hay otro por aquí una vez que lo encuentre se lo dejo a usted
Juugo: Este sujeto es del tipo que puede buscar por medio de chakra
Juugo cambia al nivel 2 de marca de maldición: comienza a hablar”Mátalo”
Raikage: no te pongas muy furioso!
El capítulo termina.
No hay señales de naruto esta semana.

[jdw]

Not really, Zetsu/Madara decided when the fight should start.

Sasuke set the stage going to the kage summit, getting found out isn't a big deal even if zetsu told, there are guards and other shinobi anyway. He set the stage for this, no crying later, sorry. If he didn't go there to fight, there would be no fight, right?

[The Closet Pervert]

Unfair fight? It doesn't matter if "it's an unfair fight" if you are dead and I am not. ;)

As the saying goes, "There are no rules in love and war".

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Sasuke set the stage going to the kage summit, getting found out isn't a big deal even if zetsu told, there are guards and other shinobi anyway. He set the stage for this, no crying later, sorry. If he didn't go there to fight, there would be no fight, right?

But he went there to fight Danzou not Raikage, and the timing is a big thing, he obviously didn't want to attack so early. But either way you were wrong, he clearly didn't decide when to begin the fight, otherwise he would be the first one to go on the offensive not defensive.

[mackbotk]

Otra al español. By Mackbotk

Sasuke comienza atacando al Raikage
Entonces Sasuke es parado por un Suiton Jutsu (Muro Campamento de Agua ¿?), pero Sasuke usa el jutsu de rayo para atacar.
Subordinado 1: La informacion es correcta. El puede usar el elemento rayo.
Subordinado 2: También puede usar el elemento fuego. No te olvides de usar Suiton Jutsu para defender.
(Nota mia: Imagino que hablan con el raikage)
Suitgetsu: Oh, ¿quién ha filtrado la información de las tecnicas de Sasuke?
Subordinado 2: Hay que evitar que se mueva. Raiton Flashlight Jutsu. (Este ataque es bastante similar al Destello solar en Dragon ball)
Juugo es atacado. Sasuke se trago un puñetaso del Raikage.
Sasuke usa un genjutsu. Suitgetsu bloquea el ataque del Raikage.
Suitgetsu: Si no fuera por mi, en este momento tubieras el codo roto.
Sasuke: ...

La escena cambia a la reunion.
Ao esta vigilando a Danzou. El Tsuchikage esta impaciente. Kuratsuchi dice que le gustaria ver al sujeto que ha eliminado a Deidara.
Gaara solo permanece en silencio.

De nuevo con Sasuke.
Shi: Hay otro más aquí. Cuando lo encuentre, te lo dejo a tí. (Se refiere a Karin)
Juugo: Ese tipo es de los que puede sentir el chakra.

Juugo libera el segundo nivel del sello maldito.

"Mátalo".

Raikage: ¡No te enfurezcas/ os enfurezcáis demasiado!
Fin del capítulo.
Naruto no sale esta semana.

[jdw]

But he went there to fight Danzou not Raikage, and the timing is a big thing, he obviously didn't want to attack so early. But either way you were wrong, he clearly didn't decide when to begin the fight, otherwise he would be the first one to go on the offensive not defensive.

Invading the summit is taking the offensive. You are wrong. That was the first move. If you skip steps of course I will look wrong.

[Weapon_X]

So much for "let's wait and ambush Danzou" -_-; Ninjas never keep their words apart from Naruto. :lmao Taka could have just gone away and wait, now they caused all sorts of commotion. Though C was gonna notice them anyway...;)

[ouhei]

Is that spoiler saying Sasuke's elbow is broken?

Looks like he's going to be getting beat up by another Cloud nin, only to be saved by plot no jutsu.

I really hope he loses here and has to escape defeated.

[Smokes]

But he went there to fight Danzou not Raikage, and the timing is a big thing, he obviously didn't want to attack so early. But either way you were wrong, he clearly didn't decide when to begin the fight, otherwise he would be the first one to go on the offensive not defensive.

He didn't have to fight anyone. He could have just run away and used Karin to search for Danzou. It was surprising to me when he just decided to charge the summit. He just lost it. We still have no idea why Zetsu did what he did, but it didn't trap Sasuke in a showdown. They were looking for him and he decided to attack.


Well they would likely only know what Genin Sasuke possessed, if it was the information from Konoha. So Kirin, MS and anything not shown to Team 7 is unknown. Cloud don't know as much as they think tbh. Considering Sasuke's basic Katon/Raiton jutsu's aren't what they need to watch out for.

If only that were true. I present you with scope out no nojutsu (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/12/). LOL

[The Closet Pervert]

Ahh, proper translation <3

Looks like I was right: Sasuke really needs to step things up, or get help from somewhere. Looks like these Raikage's little helpers aren't exacly Fodder.

It's lovely to see an actual team vs team battle where no-one is useless (well...or in other words, "both teams have useful members").

[mooangus]

I am predicting that at the end of this battle, at least Juugo will face death.
If he turns into CS2 in this fight (which in my opinion is like his trump card), then it means he will most likely show his strongest abilities.

Plus, most likely Sasuke has some sort of a new sinister curse seal chakra. I think Juugo has done his part, we know his backstory-ish and, what the hell, I just 'enjoy' when an important character actually dies in a manga!

[jdw]

Ahh, proper translation <3

Looks like I was right: Sasuke really needs to step things up, or get help from somewhere. Looks like these Raikage's little helpers aren't exacly Fodder.

It's lovely to see an actual team vs team battle where no-one is useless (well...or in other words, "both teams have useful members").

I hope C finds Karin. If she has any other skills, it would be a good time for them to be shown. That or a good time for her to die.

[patedecarne]

Oh, great, and here we go again with another Sasuke fight :mad

though "fight" is a bit too much for that, considering the actual situation of Team Hawk. And why the others kages aren't helping Raikage? This way,Sasuke would be disposedin no time, finally moving the plot.

But I don't see Sasuke taking this one, probably Raikage isn't even trying yet.

[Weapon_X]

LOL Suigets's sword gets smashed into 2 pieces. That's what he gets for being a grave robber. :lmao

[danzouismadara]

sasuke wont use MS or kirin on raikage because he needs all his strength for danzou's butt whoopin lol my guess is that he will toy around with raikage a bit and get lucky and kill raikage. Im pissed he dont get to see what tobi has to talk about with naruto I wonder if he will tell naruto about itachi to manipulate naruto to help sasuke kill danzou.

[zad67]

Maybe the reason for tobi/madara to convince sasuke to go after danzo is so he can get danzo all alone making everyone distracted by sasuke because it seems that tobi/madara might want danzo's eye so he can control sasuke. Tobi even says it him self that theres no point in sasuke getting stronger than Nagato if he cant control him.

[jdw]

LOL Suigets's sword gets smashed into 2 pieces. That's what he gets for being a grave robber. :lmao

This might mean that he won't be facing Choujurou, since a sword fight seems unlikely. If he sees him, maybe he will just fight him using ninjutsu and try to steal his sword anyway. Zabuza's sword seemed pretty weak when compared to Samehada. I wonder if Choujurou's swords have any abilities.

[DARK]

Epic chapter right here.
Seems that Raikage also knows Suiton techniques, tells Sasuke to "not be cocky." LOL
Suigetsu's sword is broken and Juugo goes into CS2.

[THM Nindo]

I am predicting that at the end of this battle, at least Juugo will face death.
If he turns into CS2 in this fight (which in my opinion is like his trump card), then it means he will most likely show his strongest abilities.

Plus, most likely Sasuke has some sort of a new sinister curse seal chakra. I think Juugo has done his part, we know his backstory-ish and, what the hell, I just 'enjoy' when an important character actually dies in a manga!

I hope someone dies... from Taka...
I think Juugo is a good candidate for that...

[jdw]

I hope someone dies... from Taka...
I think Juugo is a good candidate for that...

Agreed, he is fairly useless. I would like to see Taka completely killed (not Sasuke) though, that is the best ending for this wild stunt IMO. Let Sasuke mull over taking him team off on a stupid mission.

[Gats]

After that, Gaara asks the other Kage in the meeting room about when they threw away their sense of self (rose above themselves or gained such self restraint)?

How should I understand this sentence ?

[gold349]

Agreed, he is fairly useless. I would like to see Taka completely killed (not Sasuke) though, that is the best ending for this wild stunt IMO. Let Sasuke mull over taking him team off on a stupid mission.

a harsh lesson as that could be what he needs, its not all about Sasuke, he should get to realise that.

[Jadedmariner]

How should I understand this sentence ?

He's asking how they are able to just sit there and wait. Although, it seems to be more condescending and insulting more like calling them wusses.

[Weapon_X]

Atleast the 2 guards aren't fodder, they can do Suiton Ninjutsu, tracking abilities, Genjutsu like Tien from DBZ...sooner or later Darui is gonna do the destructo disk and Raikage the Kamehameha wave. :amuse

[Destined_One]

Agreed, he is fairly useless. I would like to see Taka completely killed (not Sasuke) though, that is the best ending for this wild stunt IMO. Let Sasuke mull over taking him team off on a stupid mission.

This would be interesting, however Id still like Sasuke to win. Some don't wish Sasuke to get stronger, but I embrace it, it makes his fall from grace at Naruto's hand that more satisfying :p Lets hope he busts out Susanoo, give some of the Uchiha lovers something to cream over, only to be torn at the complete an utter failure of the Sharigan to Naruto's prowess.

[jdw]

This would be interesting, however Id still like Sasuke to win. Some don't wish Sasuke to get stronger, but I embrace it, it makes his fall from grace at Naruto's hand that more satisfying :p Lets hope he busts out Susanoo, give some of the Uchiha lovers something to cream over, only to be torn at complete an utter failure of the Sharigan to Naruto's prowess.

I don't mind Sasuke getting stronger. I want him to win battles as well. I just don't want it to be done in a poorly written way. If he beats Raikage or Danzou in a sensible way, I couldn't care less.

[Gats]

He's asking how they are able to just sit there and wait. Although, it seems to be more condescending and insulting more like calling them wusses.

Why does he say this while he's staying with them ? :blink

[Elite_user]

What's going to happen if sasuke kills the raikage. Will the quasi-truce between the leaf village and the cloud village fall apart and then there will be war?

Will the other 4 villages be able to work together more because the raikage isn't complaining, or would they just trust sasuke and naruto and the leaf village even less and then things get worse.

I wonder if naruto will have to stop sasuke.

[mangaruto]

Spoiler Spanish

Esta es una traducción e interpretación del primer spoiler.
FUENTE: mackbotk (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/member.php?u=74130)




Spoiler 461 Naruto
(http://www.mangaruto.com)


Sasuke starts to attack on Raikage



Then Sasuke got blown out by Suiton Jutsu (Water Encampment Wall), then he uses the lightning element jutsu to attack.

Subordinate one: The information is correct. He has natural affinity on lightning element.

Subordinate two: He can use fire element jutsu too. Don't forget to use Suiton Jutsu for defense.

Suigetsu: Oh. Who leak out the information of Sasuke?

Subordinate two: Have to stop his movement. Raiton Flashlight Jutsu (similiar to Solar Flare in DragonBall)

Juugo gets hit. Sasuke eats a fist from Raikage.
Sasuke breaks the genjutsu. Suigetsu blocks the attack from Raikage.
Suigetsu: If not me, your elbow has already broken.
Sasuke:

Scene changes to the meeting room
Ao is watching on Danzou. Tsuchikage is waiting and the girl beside him says that she would like to see the guy who kill Deidara.
Gaara has no response.

Scene changes back to Sasuke
Subordinate two: There is another one here. Once I find the guy, I leave it to you.
Juugo: That guy is chakra sensing type.
Juugo releases the second level curse seal.

"Kill him"

Raikage: Don't get too furious!
The chapter ends.
Naruto is not shown up this week.

[ibi]

wer the hell is naruto, if we dont see him next week, then thats just waste. cumon man, id rather see his talk wid madara plus i want to see him face off wid sasuke,,, they dont even have to fight, just one of those meetings after all these yrs!!!!!

[zerocooldx]

I'm just happy that Juugo is finally going to let loose and we all get to see why he was so feared. Also Suigetsu "loosing" Zabuza's sword only means hes most likely going to get Chojiro's. I believe Chojiro does have two swords, or at least two handles, so it would make sense for Suigetsu to get one of them. Also for a big bad Kage the Raikage sure does use a lot of back up when fighting lolz. But i guess eventually it will come down to 1 vs 1 battles while Karin searches for Danzo.

[Invader]

dont get to see what tobi has to talk about with naruto I wonder if he will tell naruto about itachi to manipulate naruto to help sasuke kill danzou

Hmm - I expect that we won't actually ever see Madara 'tell the story'. I mean - he spend like almost TEN chapters telling most of the story to Sauske. I sure as heck don't want to see all that again. I'd much rather see a fight, and just have them flash back to Naruto AFTER Madara has told the story. I mean - really - we already know the whole Sauske story in gruelling detail. I don't need or want to see it 'talked about' for chapters on end. Fast foward to the good stuff plz...

[ibi]

I'm just happy that Juugo is finally going to let loose and we all get to see why he was so feared. Also Suigetsu "loosing" Zabuza's sword only means hes most likely going to get Chojiro's. I believe Chojiro does have two swords, or at least two handles, so it would make sense for Suigetsu to get one of them. Also for a big bad Kage the Raikage sure does use a lot of back up when fighting lolz. But i guess eventually it will come down to 1 vs 1 battles while Karin searches for Danzo.

i still think that's a crap way for the story to carry on, how boring!!!!!

[gold349]

Why does he say this while he's staying with them ? :blink


its a meeting that was called he is obliged to represent Suna, Gaara wouldn't go to the club/pub with them. They are old school and Gaara is young and has lots to learn even though I agree with I'm that some lines you don't cross and self esteem is important and to forget/throw away some important traits of self to meet a goal there's no justifying that.

[jdw]

Hmm - I expect that we won't actually ever see Madara 'tell the story'. I mean - he spend like almost TEN chapters telling most of the story to Sauske. I sure as heck don't want to see all that again. I'd much rather see a fight, and just have them flash back to Naruto AFTER Madara has told the story. I mean - really - we already know the whole Sauske story in gruelling detail. I don't need or want to see it 'talked about' for chapters on end. Fast foward to the good stuff plz...

Yeah, more than Madara just telling stories, I want to find out if he is actually telling the truth for the ones told already. Perhaps Sasuke will get a chance to chat with Danzou, at which point Danzou may confirm Madara's story about the Uchiha massacre, or he may reject the story in whole or part.

[DARK]

This would be interesting, however Id still like Sasuke to win. Some don't wish Sasuke to get stronger, but I embrace it, it makes his fall from grace at Naruto's hand that more satisfying :p Lets hope he busts out Susanoo, give some of the Uchiha lovers something to cream over, only to be torn at the complete an utter failure of the Sharigan to Naruto's prowess.

Susanoo? The only attack from Itachi Sasuke is confirmed to use was Amaterasu and that alone took a toll on him.

[BaddAzzKenpachi74]

sasuke wont use MS or kirin on raikage because he needs all his strength for danzou's butt whoopin lol my guess is that he will toy around with raikage a bit and get lucky and kill raikage. Im pissed he dont get to see what tobi has to talk about with naruto I wonder if he will tell naruto about itachi to manipulate naruto to help sasuke kill danzou.
excuss me but TOY with Raikage?
your obviously diliusianlal dude if u think for 1 second Raikage is going to be a walk in the park for Sasuke lol.
this is the Big Brother of Killerbee. The same killer bee that almost killed Sasuke 2 times with little effort.
and your saying Sasuke is going to TOY with Raikage,
thats REALLY funny on sssoooo many levels.
here's my take
1.Sasuke is going to have to pull out ALL the stops to even be able to fight Raikage and that includes Amaratsu and MS, Kirin and even his new attack he mentioned a couple chapters back.
2.Raikage will then show why he is the ONLY guy that is able to handle and train with his lil brother Killer Bee "aka 8 tails"
3.it will be a very epic battle but i believe Sasuke will lose judgeing by his fight with Killer bee and this is the Raikage were talking about "KAGE" ok.
4.Naruto will arrive with Madara and thus spark a Naruto and Sasuke moment about bonds and yada yada yada.

[Weapon_X]

Madara's chat with Naruto will definitely happen offscreen with a little spice *coughs* lies *coughs* added to it to make it interesting but for the remaining chapters, it's going to be Sasuke V Raikage. We need a proper fight, it's been 20 chapters without a major battle...sooner or later, the battle will go down to 1 on 1. I really want the Raikage to win, he already has the upperhand. If the Raikage had landed that punch of Sasuke then his arm would have been broken, shame Suigetsu stepped in. When the Raikage takes those weights off, he is gonna cause earthquakes!

[michael-ds]

Spanish Translation Script
By: michel-ds http://uyanime.wordpress.com
Sasuke comienza atacando al Raikage
Entonces Sasuke lo atacan con un Suiton Jutsu una pared de agua que lo lanza hacia atrás, entonces utiliza el elemento rayo para contra atacar.
C: La información es correcta. Su elemento natural es el elemento rayo.
Darui: el puede utilizar el jutsu de fuego también. No se olvide de utilizar el Suiton Jutsu para su defensa.
Suigetsu: OH. Han conseguido información sobre las técnicas de Sasuke?

Darui: voy a detener a sasuke y su equipo con un genjutsu llamado “Dengenraikouchuu” similar a una técnica de Tenshinhan’s de Dball es atrapado juugo por esa técnica. Sasuke recibe un puñetazo del Raikage, Sasuke disipa el genjutsu con el sharingan y Suigetsu bloquea otro ataque del raikage con su espada que se rompe en dos y quiebra también su brazo que se rompe como un chapuzón de agua.

La escena cambia a la sala de la reunión
Ao está viendo en Danzou. Tsuchikage está a la espera y su acompañante junto a él dice que le gustaría ver el tipo que mato a Deidara, los kages debaten que van hacer pero gaara no tiene una respuesta.
La escena cambia de nuevo a Sasuke
Darui: hay otro por aquí una vez que lo encuentre se lo dejo a usted
Juugo: Este sujeto es del tipo que puede buscar por medio de chakra
Juugo cambia al nivel 2 de marca de maldición: comienza a hablar ” yo a Mátarlos ”
Raikage: no te pongas muy furioso!
El capítulo termina.
No hay señales de naruto esta semana.

[DARK]

Madara's chat with Naruto will definitely happen offscreen with a little spice *coughs* lies *coughs* added to it to make it interesting but for the remaining chapters, it's going to be Sasuke V Raikage. We need a proper fight, it's been 20 chapters without a major battle...sooner or later, the battle will go down to 1 on 1. I really want the Raikage to win, he already has the upperhand. If the Raikage had landed that punch of Sasuke then his arm would have been broken, shame Suigetsu stepped in. When the Raikage takes those weights off, he is gonna cause earthquakes!

I agree- Sasuke is going to have his hands full for quite a while. He has his Katon countered by the subordinates' Suiton while Raikage's Raiton techniques are better than Sasuke's. The only gamble shot he has right now is utilizing his Mangekyo Sharingan and Amaterasu.
Although I do wish for the other Kage to get involved as well.

[Weapon_X]

I agree- Sasuke is going to have his hands full for quite a while. He has his Katon countered by the subordinates' Suiton while Raikage's Raiton techniques are better than Sasuke's. The only gamble shot he has right now is utilizing his Mangekyo Sharingan and Amaterasu.
Although I do wish for the other Kage to get involved as well.

Since Gaara came back with that little tuant, the Tsuchikage got pissed. Maybe he will face off against Gaara...and Ao is looking at Danzou, Danzou might face off against the Mizukage if he tries to do anything dodgy or try to bypass Ao.

The stage is set. Just a matter of time the contestants enter then ring really. ;)

[DARK]

Since Gaara came back with that little tuant, the Tsuchikage got pissed. Maybe he will face off against Gaara...and Ao is looking at Danzou, Danzou might face off against the Mizukage if he tries to do anything dodgy or try to bypass Ao.

The stage is set. Just a matter of time the contestants enter then ring really. ;)

It would be awesome to have a Kage on Kage battle, especially during a moment where they are supposed to be cooperating together.

[elitefox]

I'm just happy that Juugo is finally going to let loose and we all get to see why he was so feared. Also Suigetsu "loosing" Zabuza's sword only means hes most likely going to get Chojiro's. I believe Chojiro does have two swords, or at least two handles, so it would make sense for Suigetsu to get one of them. Also for a big bad Kage the Raikage sure does use a lot of back up when fighting lolz. But i guess eventually it will come down to 1 vs 1 battles while Karin searches for Danzo.

as well as sasuke's group don't forget;)

[David Gill]

Maybe the reason for tobi/madara to convince sasuke to go after danzo is so he can get danzo all alone making everyone distracted by sasuke because it seems that tobi/madara might want danzo's eye so he can control sasuke. Tobi even says it him self that theres no point in sasuke getting stronger than Nagato if he cant control him.

Hey, great post, Think you might be right.

[elitefox]

I agree- Sasuke is going to have his hands full for quite a while. He has his Katon countered by the subordinates' Suiton while Raikage's Raiton techniques are better than Sasuke's. The only gamble shot he has right now is utilizing his Mangekyo Sharingan and Amaterasu.
Although I do wish for the other Kage to get involved as well.

Gaara blocking amaterasu yeah

[DARK]

Gaara blocking amaterasu yeah

As I said before, right now is Taka VS Raikage and subordinates.
Unless Raikage has some badass jutsu that can get rid of very hot, black flames... I'd say Sasuke has this in the bag if he is able to readily use the attack.
There's a higher chance of Gaara fighting Tsuchikage or Danzou than Sasuke right now.

[Destined_One]

Susanoo? The only attack from Itachi Sasuke is confirmed to use was Amaterasu and that alone took a toll on him.

Hence why I said "hoped" , I never inferred he had it. However it is entirely possible that Sasuke has other MS abilities. The Databook states that Susanoo is the result of the Mastery of Both Tsyukomi/Ametarasu. there is always the possibility.