Naruto Volume 49 (Ch. 545-463) Discussion

[elcongo]

And what is this with Sasuke getting Susanoo? Can't Itachi have some unique jutsus himself? What can't Sasuke develop new MS abilities instead of just taking others. Really dumb. Susanoo is haxed as it is, i hope it doesnt rear its head for too much longer.

i know, while nAruto Needs to impprove new Techs, Sasuke is getting Gift From HEavens,,
And IF Naruto has a Mystical power, everybody start talkin crap, but now, that is Suke who has the GOd, Justsu, they dont fuckin COmplayin!!,,

[peinsensei]

what if raikage also has 8-tails chakra. means its same as kyubi chakra. as both raikage and killerbee have yin and yang chakara of hachibi.

[Moon Stricken]

[QUOTE=ThaGreatOne;1558208]well how would he be able to spar with killerbee then? It's just a comparison. It was said Kisame has a large chakra pool comparable to the kyuubi so whats the big deal. QUOTE]

No, Neji stated that a 30% Kisame had a chakra pool comparable to a 1-tail Kyuubi Naruto that he fought at the Chunin Exams. It might be safe to say that Kisame as a Chakra pool similare to the 3 tailed Bijuu, but the Kyuubi still dwarfs Kisame's chakra.

[jdw]

[QUOTE=ThaGreatOne;1558208]well how would he be able to spar with killerbee then? It's just a comparison. It was said Kisame has a large chakra pool comparable to the kyuubi so whats the big deal. QUOTE]

No, Neji stated that a 30% Kisame had a chakra pool comparable to a 1-tailes Naruto that he fought at the Chunin Exams. It might be safe to say that Kisame as a Chakra pool similare to the 3 tailed Bijuu, but the Kyuubi still dwarfs Kisame's chakra.

That wasn't even a single tail. Naruto received a chakra droplet against neiji: http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-104/page005.html

[ThaGreatOne]

[QUOTE=ThaGreatOne;1558208]well how would he be able to spar with killerbee then? It's just a comparison. It was said Kisame has a large chakra pool comparable to the kyuubi so whats the big deal. QUOTE]

No, Neji stated that a 30% Kisame had a chakra pool comparable to a 1-tail Kyuubi Naruto that he fought at the Chunin Exams. It might be safe to say that Kisame as a Chakra pool similare to the 3 tailed Bijuu, but the Kyuubi still dwarfs Kisame's chakra.

but my point is what is the big deal about a kage having alot of chakra. Not like he'll kill sasuke anyways so what's the problem? Why can't he have that. Sasuke just got susanoo and if I had to choose I'd take susanoo of "having biju power" any day. Even though it's not complete and we don't know exactly which way susanoo will turn out but still the kage being said to have biju level power is not a big deal to me. Having biju level power doesn't make you unbeatable

[ascalon]

what if raikage also has 8-tails chakra. means its same as kyubi chakra. as both raikage and killerbee have yin and yang chakara of hachibi.

That would be an interesting plot device, and would shed light on the nature of the sealing Minato did, splitting the kyuubi chakra and all. Killer Bee mentioned during his fight that Raikage was the only one ever able to counter/defeat him or at least one of his moves. I think he implied that raikage was stronger than him in some way.

This:

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1558223&posted=1#post1558223

And then all the other times he talked about his brother raikage and seemed to hold his power in great esteem.

[zerocooldx]

well how would he be able to spar with killerbee then? It's just a comparison. It was said Kisame has a large chakra pool comparable to the kyuubi so whats the big deal. Kishi did a good job shutting down the people who claimed sasuke could end the battle with ameratsu. No problem with that it's time to see new things anyways. Sasuke broke through so Raikage isn't unbeatable but he's a kage and it's theres nothing wrong with Raikage showing raikage strength. It isn't like kishi isn't protecting sasuke with susanoo. Last time I checked it was a great jutsu (even though people claimed that sasuke's kirin did some damage to itachi BUT now claim sasuke can't be touched -weird I know-).

Itachi was powerful because he was more experienced, always had a plan, had more than just lightning, katon, and ms jutsus. He had the exploding clones, water clones, and was a strong genjutsu user. I mean he pointed at naruto and he was done. Itachi had more battle experience and training. Sasuke hasn't had that kind of training time since he took over orochimaru.

Kisame has a lot of chakra just like Naruto does. Not the Kyuubi Bijuu itself. All that Neji saw of Naruto was when Naruto used a tiny bit of the Kyuubi's chakra. This was even before Naruto used the Bijuu cloak let alone the entire Kyuubi. While here is Karin, who fought a completely transformed 8 tails Bijuu, and is now comparing the Raikage's chakra level to a complete Bijuu. Naruto and Kisame have nothing to do with this comparison. Also Kishi had de-graded both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, even before Itachi died. It happened during Itachi's and Sasuke's battle. But considering the fact that it was a Sharingan against a Sharingan and Itachi didn't want Sasuke dead then that was ok. But Sasuke, who got all of Itachi's MS jutsu suddenly can't even do anything with them. So what was the point of Itachi transferring his MS jutsu to Sasuke if Sasuke can't do anything with them now!? If it was all about training and experience then why not let Sasuke awaken his own MS jutsu!? That would give him far more experience and battle knowledge if that was the key. Thats why i'm saying de-grading Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi makes no sense at all.

[Syphin]

That would be an interesting plot device, and would shed light on the nature of the sealing Minato did, splitting the kyuubi chakra and all. Killer Bee mentioned during his fight that Raikage was the only one ever able to counter/defeat him or at least one of his moves. I think he implied that raikage was stronger than him in some way.
Pseudo eight-tails? some of the eight-tails chakra sealed in the Raikage?

[pranabowjake]

I'd expect nothing less from the Raikage :tem

BTW, Water's weakness is Fire, not Lightning. Lightning attacks against Sugetsu wouldnt affect his form in the same manner as fire... which makes me wonder whether he'll end up dying at the hands of a kanton user ;)

1. waters weakness is earth, it is strong to fire

[KiSwordsman]

I find the spoilers absolutely hilarious. what's really funny though, is the fact that people are so pissed off at this development.

The fact of the matter is, Sasuke is not Itachi. It's not really surprising that Sasuke is not able to use Itachi's MS techniques the way Itachi was able to use them. So I really don't know what everybody is having a hissy fit about.

[ThaGreatOne]

Kisame has a lot of chakra just like Naruto does. Not the Kyuubi Bijuu itself. All that Neji saw of Naruto was when Naruto used a tiny bit of the Kyuubi's chakra. This was even before Naruto used the Bijuu cloak let alone the entire Kyuubi. While here is Karin, who fought a completely transformed 8 tails Bijuu, and is now comparing the Raikage's chakra level to a complete Bijuu. Naruto and Kisame have nothing to do with this comparison. Also Kishi had de-graded both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, even before Itachi died. It happened during Itachi's and Sasuke's battle. But considering the fact that it was a Sharingan against a Sharingan and Itachi didn't want Sasuke dead then that was ok. But Sasuke, who got all of Itachi's MS jutsu suddenly can't even do anything with them. So what was the point of Itachi transferring his MS jutsu to Sasuke if Sasuke can't do anything with them now!? If it was all about training and experience then why not let Sasuke awaken his own MS jutsu!? That would give him far more experience and battle knowledge if that was the key. Thats why i'm saying de-grading Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi makes no sense at all.

Hey take that up with Kishi I'm not the author of this manga. All I'm saying is it's not like Itachi just woke up one morning and was like: "hey I've mastered all three ms jutsu and can control them perfectly". It had to take some time and a few battles to understand the jutsus. Maybe if sasuke didn't just run off to try to kill danzo at a kage summit and stayed around to try and get used to his powers or plan then maybe it would be slightly different. It's not like itachi knew sasuke would just run straight into battle and could give him a quick users manual. I did however want some original ms jutsu for sasuke but hey we can't change it. It's not a full de-grading. Just because it didn't kill him doesn't make it sorry but who wants to see and bunch of battles using the same 1 technique and then it's over. To me ameratsu failing set up the susanoo appearing and we knew sooner or later he would get susanoo.

[pranabowjake]

I refuse to believe that the Raikage has a chakra level rivaling the 8-tails. That is simply ridiculous. The Bijuu were chakra monsters created from all the hate and evil in the world. How in the world would a person have enough chakra comparable to the 2nd strongest Bijuu in the Narutoverse? Just not possible. A more realistic deduction would be that the Raikage's chakra level rivaled one fo the lower level Bijuu's. Karin said his chakra is like that of a bijuu, not the 8-tails bijuu. I would say the Raikage is comparable to Kisame when it comes to his chakra pool.

If the Raikage has similar speed to Minato and an such an enormous chakra pool, then where the hell was he in defeating Akatsuki? He just decides to wait for all of this crap to happen to suddenly make a move? All of this after he scolded the other countries for using Akatsuki as mercenaries. He is no better than them, considering he had the apparent power to stop most of them and yet did nothing.

And what is this with Sasuke getting Susanoo? Can't Itachi have some unique jutsus himself? What can't Sasuke develop new MS abilities instead of just taking others. Really dumb. Susanoo is haxed as it is, i hope it doesnt rear its head for too much longer.


u gotta remember though, he has the power of the bijuus, or equal power, and just what has akasuki been doing? beating down the bijuus, capturing them alive. if they could just kill the bijuus they never would have had any trouble, they could just kill the raikage, im sure he would take a few of them down in the process but he would eventually drop. i doubt he could have fought hidan and kakuzu, especally since they were defeated by plot armor

[ThaGreatOne]

I find the spoilers absolutely hilarious. what's really funny though, is the fact that people are so pissed off at this development.

The fact of the matter is, Sasuke is not Itachi. It's not really surprising that Sasuke is not able to use Itachi's MS techniques the way Itachi was able to use them. So I really don't know what everybody is having a hissy fit about.

exactly. I think it's the fact that SO MANY people claimed sasuke could just ameratsu raikage from the start but now they have egg on their face thanks to kishi lol.

[Nagaki]

I refuse to believe that the Raikage has a chakra level rivaling the 8-tails. That is simply ridiculous. The Bijuu were chakra monsters created from all the hate and evil in the world. How in the world would a person have enough chakra comparable to the 2nd strongest Bijuu in the Narutoverse? Just not possible. A more realistic deduction would be that the Raikage's chakra level rivaled one fo the lower level Bijuu's. Karin said his chakra is like that of a bijuu, not the 8-tails bijuu. I would say the Raikage is comparable to Kisame when it comes to his chakra pool.

If the Raikage has similar speed to Minato and an such an enormous chakra pool, then where the hell was he in defeating Akatsuki? He just decides to wait for all of this crap to happen to suddenly make a move? All of this after he scolded the other countries for using Akatsuki as mercenaries. He is no better than them, considering he had the apparent power to stop most of them and yet did nothing.

And what is this with Sasuke getting Susanoo? Can't Itachi have some unique jutsus himself? What can't Sasuke develop new MS abilities instead of just taking others. Really dumb. Susanoo is haxed as it is, i hope it doesnt rear its head for too much longer.

:blink Dude, you too?! You sound like me, tryin to make sense out of all this chakra and these chronic and unexplained power-ups everytime a major battle breaks out!

[KiSwordsman]

to tell you the truth, no one can really talk mess about the Raikage now. I mean yeah, people may still think he is annoying but we all have to admit at this point that the guy has the skills to back up his personality.

[pranabowjake]

:blink Dude, you too?! You sound like me, tryin to make sense out of all this chakra and these chronic and unexplained power-ups everytime a major battle breaks out!

ya gotta remember that they were called the ultmate chakara weapon, not the ultmate chakara, so ninjas like kisame and the raikage could have amazing chakara levels. such like the 4th was trying to do with naruto hes just trying to have him basicly absorbe the chakara rather than using the chakara weapon

[elitefox]

To be honest having the Raikage possess near Bijuu amount of chakra is a bit over the top for me. I mean we are seeing a comparison between a human and a giant monster made of pure chakra. The guy could basically fight all day and night and do so with insanely powerful techniques. There had better be some kind of big backdrop to the Raikage's power, otherwise this guy would be unbeatable. But i am also very intrigued to see how Susanoo will impact this battle. Because thus far Kishi has shamed both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu in a pretty bad way. Which makes me think how and why Itachi was so powerful, especially since we was all about his MS. When Itachi used Tsumuyomi and Amaterasu he basically just one hit KO anyone. While Sasuke apparently can't even land a hit on someone, or if he does they break through it. And seeing as how they are the same techniques i don't see how there could be such a huge difference. It's not as if Sasuke is some fodder nin who Kishi picked up off of the street. Also on a side note, i would pay money to see Bee and the Raikage fight together in a 2 vs 2 battle. That would simply me epic, in every imaginable way.

Itachi is a genius... he fights sasuke seriously to die and demonstrate his ms techniques which he will pass on, thus you really cannot compare them. even though itachi may possess other techniques which is likely but he is there to demo his ms tech so that sasuke will not have a hard time using them later.

[Xiraiya]

On the subject of Sasuke's chakra, I think people are taking Karins comments too literally.

It's probably just that Sasuke's chakra has distorted so much that it SEEMS like the chakra of a beast rather than a human.

Doesn't mean Sasuke is becoming a Bijuu or has one in him, his emotions are so severe that it just makes the chakra feel wild and beastly.

That's what I think anyway.

[elitefox]

Actually it's like the gaara vs lee fight. Raikage is wailing on him and it looks like he's winning but he's not doing any actual damage. Where the hell did you get "nothing is working" anyway? Amaterasu didn't, but susanoo is working just fine. So did chidori.

haha yeah chidori is pretty effective though 2nd joint of a finger distance from the belt to his stomach, that would mean it can only touch raikage's skin. susanoo on the other hand really is effective since raikage can't do more damage to him than like normal damage...

I agree again on that raikage is not doing much damage but don't you think sasuke is self destructing to unleash all the ms techs?

[elitefox]

Now I wonder if Danzo can keep up with raikage? he pronouced himself as hokage, he should at least be able to par with raikage...

[Xiraiya]

I have no issues with Raikage's power, what do you expect, He's a damn kage.

[NNGirl]

I refuse to believe that the Raikage has a chakra level rivaling the 8-tails. That is simply ridiculous. The Bijuu were chakra monsters created from all the hate and evil in the world. How in the world would a person have enough chakra comparable to the 2nd strongest Bijuu in the Narutoverse? Just not possible. A more realistic deduction would be that the Raikage's chakra level rivaled one fo the lower level Bijuu's. Karin said his chakra is like that of a bijuu, not the 8-tails bijuu. I would say the Raikage is comparable to Kisame when it comes to his chakra pool.

If the Raikage has similar speed to Minato and an such an enormous chakra pool, then where the hell was he in defeating Akatsuki? He just decides to wait for all of this crap to happen to suddenly make a move? All of this after he scolded the other countries for using Akatsuki as mercenaries. He is no better than them, considering he had the apparent power to stop most of them and yet did nothing.

And what is this with Sasuke getting Susanoo? Can't Itachi have some unique jutsus himself? What can't Sasuke develop new MS abilities instead of just taking others. Really dumb. Susanoo is haxed as it is, i hope it doesnt rear its head for too much longer.

well kisame has a chacra pool that was compared with a bijuu one time, so is not rare that other people could have that large amount of chacra

[elitefox]

alot of crying and raikage hate going on this week and the funny thing it;s from people who criticize those that "hate" on sasuke...I'm actually concerned for Kishi's well being now. I mean if people on these boards are that pissed off now imagine what's happening in his neighborhood :blink

I can't imagine lol, raikage's bad ass make sasuke look sissy... it is his fault that he is in this mess though, so don't blame raikage for sasuke's cockiness.

[ThaGreatOne]

I have no issues with Raikage's power, what do you expect, He's a damn kage.

Thank you I don't know whats so hard to accept about that!! Maybe it's because people expected

Suigetsu to show out: nothing yet
Juugo to show out: now he's wallpaper and did ZERO damage in the process
Ameratsu to work: and yet it FAILED because Raikage was too fast
Chidori to really hurt: but it just made a two inch deep flesh wound.

the funny thing is that some people claimed Raikage had a plot-no-jutsu just because sasuke didn't use ameratsu off the bat but now we have seen that EVEN IF HE USED THE ATTACK IT WOULD HAVE FAILED!!! lol

also take notice of the people who are upset......see any similarities? lol

[DEATHBOTT]

i knew he would use ms and i knew sasuke would have susanoo and it makes sense that he cant control it the first time he used it or else the raikage would be done for. he needs to work up to that for the big fight against naruto. I also knew he would try to escape.
can someone clear something up for me is karin saying raikages chakra is comparable to a tailed beast or that sasukes is?

[ThaGreatOne]

anybody else remember how "sasuke's hate" was supposed to make his chidori so powerful? what happened? :facepalm

[elitefox]

i knew he would use ms and i knew sasuke would have susanoo and it makes sense that he cant control it the first time he used it or else the raikage would be done for. he needs to work up to that for the big fight against naruto. I also knew he would try to escape.
can someone clear something up for me is karin saying raikages chakra is comparable to a tailed beast or that sasukes is?

that is if and only if he can hit raikage:blink
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anybody else remember how "sasuke's hate" was supposed to make his chidori so powerful? what happened? :facepalm

its just his resolution no more no less:s

[NNGirl]

Kisame has a lot of chakra just like Naruto does. Not the Kyuubi Bijuu itself. All that Neji saw of Naruto was when Naruto used a tiny bit of the Kyuubi's chakra. This was even before Naruto used the Bijuu cloak let alone the entire Kyuubi. While here is Karin, who fought a completely transformed 8 tails Bijuu, and is now comparing the Raikage's chakra level to a complete Bijuu. Naruto and Kisame have nothing to do with this comparison. Also Kishi had de-graded both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, even before Itachi died. It happened during Itachi's and Sasuke's battle. But considering the fact that it was a Sharingan against a Sharingan and Itachi didn't want Sasuke dead then that was ok. But Sasuke, who got all of Itachi's MS jutsu suddenly can't even do anything with them. So what was the point of Itachi transferring his MS jutsu to Sasuke if Sasuke can't do anything with them now!? If it was all about training and experience then why not let Sasuke awaken his own MS jutsu!? That would give him far more experience and battle knowledge if that was the key. Thats why i'm saying de-grading Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi makes no sense at all.

I think taht the problem is not that Amatseratsu and Tsukuyomi had less power now, the problem is Sasuke, the boy only have less than a month with MS and as we know he never trained his MS; and now he is using all the techniques of MS against a kage and everybody are expecting that he will use it perfect.

[pranabowjake]

i think this will be a great chapter, i really want to see some wrestling kage action. "whatcha gonna do sasuke when these 24 inch pythons run wild on you!!!," -raikage

he:s even got that hogan look going on, just needs a bandana

[ThaGreatOne]

the real problem is that Raikage isn't getting beat up by sasuke like all his fans hoped for and now taka has been swept aside, c is getting back up, sharingan didn't work on raikage and ameratsu missed because raikage was too fast an dthey are upset and can only hope that susanoo becomes complete.

[DEATHBOTT]

there is no way sasuke can win this now unless he gets an unexplained powerup. he is either gonna get saved by a baddy or the fight is gonna be interupted by a goody.

[NNGirl]

haha yeah chidori is pretty effective though 2nd joint of a finger distance from the belt to his stomach, that would mean it can only touch raikage's skin. susanoo on the other hand really is effective since raikage can't do more damage to him than like normal damage...

I agree again on that raikage is not doing much damage but don't you think sasuke is self destructing to unleash all the ms techs?

well that says a lot abut the power of the chidori.
about sasuke, i almost can see him using one after another of his MS jutsus trying a miracle hit.
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the real problem is that Raikage isn't getting beat up by sasuke like all his fans hoped for and now taka has been swept aside, c is getting back up, sharingan didn't work on raikage and ameratsu missed because raikage was too fast an dthey are upset and can only hope that susanoo becomes complete.

my real fear is that this battle ends like the battle with killerbee, and half dad sasuke beats a full power raikage, just to show the mighty sharingan

[pranabowjake]

the real problem is that Raikage isn't getting beat up by sasuke like all his fans hoped for and now taka has been swept aside, c is getting back up, sharingan didn't work on raikage and ameratsu missed because raikage was too fast an dthey are upset and can only hope that susanoo becomes complete.

this is probably true for most people posting. for me i just hope there are no more "dragoball" revive moves left. atleast in dragonball their was a plot device for bringing people back other than ぶるしとのじつ. sasuke should not win this fight, at most he should be able to pull out a double weaken to get away or a dash off to take out danzou. sasuke hasnt perfected his ms jitsus he hasnt gotten itachis eyes yet and yet hes suposed to be stronger than a kage? once he hits his final stride, yes he will be, but not before then. naruto on the other hand could probably take out the raikage as long as hes in sage mode. naruto is almost to his maxium potential now. like the light side and the dark side of the force. on the dark side you get great power quicker than the light side, but the light side has a higher sealing of power

[elitefox]

I think taht the problem is not that Amatseratsu and Tsukuyomi had less power now, the problem is Sasuke, the boy only have less than a month with MS and as we know he never trained his MS; and now he is using all the techniques of MS against a kage and everybody are expecting that he will use it perfect.

i don't think that because tsukuyomi and amaterasu are handed down by itachi perfectly like a gun, he just need to shoot it but how is the question.

Itachi has a lot of experience and was a true genius and even saw wars or even participated in them. Itachi might just have use 20-30% of his power(not chakra), i mean fighting capability... and that is why we expect sasuke to do good against someone that is on par with Itachi... Naruto on the other hand is on advantage too, mostly pain's battle capability is cut down to 40% since he can't use deva pain but I think pain in good condition can fight on par with kages

[ThaGreatOne]

well that says a lot abut the power of the chidori.
about sasuke, i almost can see him using one after another of his MS jutsus trying a miracle hit.
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my real fear is that this battle ends like the battle with killerbee, and half dad sasuke beats a full power raikage, just to show the mighty sharingan

well as soon as the sasuke fans send hate mail to kishi I'm sure this will happen. I pretty much expect this to happen in every sasuke fight. Shame that nobody can complain about sasuke but once he looks like he's in trouble and Raikage shows him up it's the Trail of Tears in here. It's actually been worse on other forums but it might get worse here once the chapter comes out but forreal just accept it and move on without the whinning

[KiSwordsman]

alot of crying and raikage hate going on this week and the funny thing it;s from people who criticize those that "hate" on sasuke...I'm actually concerned for Kishi's well being now. I mean if people on these boards are that pissed off now imagine what's happening in his neighborhood :blink

I honestly don't know why people are hating on the Raikage because of the recent development. I mean it's not like Sasuke is going to die. Hell, he might actually win, as unlikely as it seems right now, one of his team members might jump in to save his life, dying in the process. If that happens something inside Sasuke might snap and it will go straight down hill for the Raikage from there. Of course this is all speculation. But it's ridiculous to be mad at the Raikage for Sasuke's current predicament.

I mean come on, did people honestly expect that once Sasuke pulled out his MS techniques that the battle would be over from there. If that were the case Kishimoto could have had Sasuke Amaterasu the entire building.

[elitefox]

the real problem is that Raikage isn't getting beat up by sasuke like all his fans hoped for and now taka has been swept aside, c is getting back up, sharingan didn't work on raikage and ameratsu missed because raikage was too fast an dthey are upset and can only hope that susanoo becomes complete.

C is getting back up after been hit by tsukiyomi?
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well that says a lot abut the power of the chidori.
about sasuke, i almost can see him using one after another of his MS jutsus trying a miracle hit.
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my real fear is that this battle ends like the battle with killerbee, and half dad sasuke beats a full power raikage, just to show the mighty sharingan

shit if that is gonna happen, then this is not anymore a battle of power but

a battle of PURE LUCK:o

[jdw]

I think taht the problem is not that Amatseratsu and Tsukuyomi had less power now, the problem is Sasuke, the boy only have less than a month with MS and as we know he never trained his MS; and now he is using all the techniques of MS against a kage and everybody are expecting that he will use it perfect.

Meh. This sounds like an excuse wrapped in a hug. Sasuke has been using his eyes to focus on objects since he was an infant. That's all it take for Amaterasu. Raikage is so fast he could not focus on him. Amaterasu fail. Sharingan predictive ability fail.

[elitefox]

I honestly don't know why people are hating on the Raikage because of the recent development. I mean it's not like Sasuke is going to die. Hell, he might actually win, as unlikely as it seems right now, one of his team members might jump in to save his life, dying in the process. If that happens something inside Sasuke might snap and it will go straight down hill for the Raikage from there. Of course this is all speculation. But it's ridiculous to be mad at the Raikage for Sasuke's current predicament.

I mean come on, did people honestly expect that once Sasuke pulled out his MS techniques that the battle would be over from there. If that were the case Kishimoto could have had Sasuke Amaterasu the entire building.

well, karin can jump up and tell sasuke to suck her again:facepalm

[nat]

I think his plan fell apart when Zetsu backstabbed him. Then he went psycho and just stopped thinking altogether.


Makes me wonder what will happen when Madara shows his face, prolly next chapter :D
If Sasuke lost his cool after Madara put him in that predicment, things should get interesting when Madara goes to the summit.
First the old guy sends sasuke on danzou's trail with a sob story, then he rats him out. Enough to shake anyone.

I'm somewhat annoyed that kishi is destroying everything that is MS in one chapter.... He could divide the work at least, make his ex-favorite character look decent.


And another thing, I agree with whoever said "if raikage was so strong, how come he didn't fight akatsuki before?"

It's clear he can outdo Deidara, hidan, maybe kakuzo etc...Since he is near damn impossible to catch, and he has chakra comparable to bijuu.

[peinsensei]

tobi has just finished his conversation with naruto may be he will just appear in raikage and sasuke fight and shows the difference between his and sasuke sharingan and saves sasuke's ass.
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well, karin can jump up and tell sasuke to suck her again:facepalm

she is saving her ass by hiding herself. why would she show herself to raikage.

[pranabowjake]

i don't think that because tsukuyomi and amaterasu are handed down by itachi perfectly like a gun, he just need to shoot it but how is the question.

Itachi has a lot of experience and was a true genius and even saw wars or even participated in them. Itachi might just have use 20-30% of his power(not chakra), i mean fighting capability... and that is why we expect sasuke to do good against someone that is on par with Itachi... Naruto on the other hand is on advantage too, mostly pain's battle capability is cut down to 40% since he can't use deva pain but I think pain in good condition can fight on par with kages

well pain at 100% was probably a good deal stronger than most kages if not all. naruto took pain on at about 50 to 60% because he used alot of devas power but he also took him one on one w/o karins paper cloans to help him, but in narutos current state, in sage mode he is on combat level par with the kages especally with frs which is suposed to be the strongest jitsu in the narutoverse + we havent even seen the kyubisage frs use (such as his own personal speed increase and throwing speed increase) and until sasuke masters his ms then he will not be on par with the kages

sorry no ' before the ses, its in a real difficult place to get to on this keyboard

[ameya730]

man i am going to enjoy this chapter immensely for the simple reason that the fight is going on as i wanted we already knew that raikage being a kage would be a hard man to beat and would have some pretty awesome moves and we knew that since sasuke was atleast kage potential if not kage level and that is also being shown pretty well

so far the fight looks pretty even the only way for sasuke to get out of this fight is for madara to intervene cause his techniques have been neutralized by the raikage atleast one of his teammate is out of the fight the other one cant use his sword and the last one cant fight

whereas the raikage is still in good form he still has a few tricks up his sleeve darui is still fighting and it looks like shi is getting up as well

i think we might see madara intervening next chapter hopefully we might see madara in action

[pranabowjake]

just imagine the raikage as a black gai...

who has lighting armor and usese wrestling moves

[NNGirl]

well, karin can jump up and tell sasuke to suck her again:facepalm

i almost can see her jumping in the middle of a raikage's attack to save sasuke and ...
karin >> :laser << raikage

[e-maney]

yay-sasuke is a fool using ms while it does nothing but eats away his life
dond mind if he dies

[Kusachu]

Oh I get it! Sasuke is now like a psudo-kyuubi!! Oh wait, no, they used that as a lame filler plot already. :facepalm

BUt hahaha! Sasuke can suck Karin...that's great. :rofl I want to see that again. :lick

[Strider's♥Death]

Oh I get it! Sasuke is now like a psudo-kyuubi!! Oh wait, no, they used that as a lame filler plot already. :facepalm

BUt hahaha! Sasuke can suck Karin...that's great. :rofl I want to see that again. :lick

._.

Anyways, looks like sasuke is in a pickle. But knowing the all and powerful hax, sasuke will come out victorious in the end.

[brizzlle]

i think kishi might grow some nuts this time around and let sasuke loose.

[Thabor]

well how would he be able to spar with killerbee then?

Sparring isn't a real fight. You don't have to be at the same level to do it. Its no different from Ten Ten practicing with Neji.

[Kusachu]

i think kishi might grow some nuts this time around and let sasuke loose.

But Sasuke always loses a lot. He just comes out alive is all.

[elitefox]

Sparring isn't a real fight. You don't have to be at the same level to do it. Its no different from Ten Ten practicing with Neji.

well raikage I think isn't a man who holds back even with a sparring with his brother lol, just my thought
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But Sasuke always loses a lot. He just comes out alive is all.

I think so too he'll be alive with great regrets on having a fight the raikage at least now he had experience kage level.


I still don't want sasuke to come to the light, since this is naruto's driving force and will to get stronger...

[Thabor]

atleast in dragonball their was a plot device for bringing people back other than ぶるしとのじつ.

Want to try you hand at kanji as well, so you can misspell Japanese word's three different ways at the same time? :facepalm I can only guess that mangled bit of hiragana is supposed to say "plot hole no jutsu". Also, for future reference foreign words are normally written using katakana unless they were adopted into the mainstream language a long time ago.

And Dragonballs are every bit as much of a magical plot device as Rinnegan.

[USC Trojans]

Good to finally see an insanely strong taijutsu guy. Rock Lee can learn something from Raikage.

[elitefox]

Good to finally see an insanely strong taijutsu guy. Rock Lee can learn something from Raikage.

well yeah except he can use chakra:eyeroll

and so that is what you say if you open the 8 gates even if you are an average ninja you will be a kage level momentarily

[danzouismadara]

its not that he cant use it its just that he sucks at controlling it worse then when naruto couldnt create bunshins but if lee did learn how to he'd be a beast
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imagine 5 rock lee's comin at cha lol scc~ar~y~~( gin lol)

[Thabor]

well raikage I think isn't a man who holds back even with a sparring with his brother lol, just my thought

I understand what you are saying, but by definition that would not be sparring then. Could just be a bad word choice by the translator though.

[elitefox]

I understand what you are saying, but by definition that would not be sparring then.

yeah, but for KB to unleash the 8 tail beast at some point, I can't imagine that he is not trying to hurt raikage :p

[SenninSage]

anybody else remember how "sasuke's hate" was supposed to make his chidori so powerful? what happened? :facepalm

The hatred filled Chidori caused a flesh wound.

Now, I have no idea how this will all end, but Kishi is doing it yet again, are people paying attention this time? He is, yet again, showing us that Sasuke isn't this unstoppable force that people like to make him out to be. He's powerful, he has immense skill and talent, and on top of that he's smart, even though he may not act like it a lot of the time.

People always talk about potential fights that Sasuke may get into, and instantly make wild assumptions about how easy the fight will be for him because this or that person simply isn't on his level, or he'll just use Amaterasu and end the fight in an instant.

The funny part about anyone thinking like that, is that its exactly the way Sasuke actually thinks. Kakashi took notice of it as well. Sasuke has a serious superiority complex. He seems to no longer think he is bounded by any limits. This fight could end up however, and I'm certain Sasuke has some other major MS secret to reveal, but look at the trouble he's having, and he actually expects to take Danzou's head, when, besides the one he's fighting now, there are 4 other Kage at this meeting who are probably capable of taking him the distance?

It's also interesting how easy he felt he could kill Madara by striking him with that Chidori.

What's more, if there was any doubt whatsoever before that Sasuke would have absolutely went ahead with his stated intentions to kill all the innocents of Konoha, his actions so far at this Kage meeting should serve as the evidence that he would. He would have unleashed his "hate" inside Konoha, and probably would have killed little boys and girls, and old ladies in the process.

[Krik]

Good to finally see an insanely strong taijutsu guy. Rock Lee can learn something from Raikage.

This is what I enjoy the most about this battle. Although he is lightening enhanced, Raikage is proving Taijutsu can be devastating. Kudos to Kishi for balancing the tools of combat for a change.

Now I want to know if weaponry is still useful...

[SenninSage]

This is what I enjoy the most about this battle. Although he is lightening enhanced, Raikage is proving Taijutsu can be devastating. Kudos to Kishi for balancing the tools of combat for a change.

Now I want to know if weaponry is still useful...

We'll find out when Naruto brings out the Monkey Enma and fights with that pole.

[e-maney]

We'll find out when Naruto brings out the Monkey Enma and fights with that pole.

naruto cant summon monkey king enma- only bunta and his merry toads

[SenninSage]

naruto cant summon monkey king enma- only bunta and his merry toads

Konohamaru may just have something to teach Naruto yet!

Konohamaru is clearly being position as a future student, and rival, for Naruto. I think it's something he will have access to the contract necessary for Enma, and will pass it along to Naruto so that he can use Enma if needed.

[elitefox]

The hatred filled Chidori caused a flesh wound.

Now, I have no idea how this will all end, but Kishi is doing it yet again, are people paying attention this time? He is, yet again, showing us that Sasuke isn't this unstoppable force that people like to make him out to be. He's powerful, he has immense skill and talent, and on top of that he's smart, even though he may not act like it a lot of the time.

People always talk about potential fights that Sasuke may get into, and instantly make wild assumptions about how easy the fight will be for him because this or that person simply isn't on his level, or he'll just use Amaterasu and end the fight in an instant.

The funny part about anyone thinking like that, is that its exactly the way Sasuke actually thinks. Kakashi took notice of it as well. Sasuke has a serious superiority complex. He seems to no longer think he is bounded by any limits. This fight could end up however, and I'm certain Sasuke has some other major MS secret to reveal, but look at the trouble he's having, and he actually expects to take Danzou's head, when, besides the one he's fighting now, there are 4 other Kage at this meeting who are probably capable of taking him the distance?

It's also interesting how easy he felt he could kill Madara by striking him with that Chidori.

What's more, if there was any doubt whatsoever before that Sasuke would have absolutely went ahead with his stated intentions to kill all the innocents of Konoha, his actions so far at this Kage meeting should serve as the evidence that he would. He would have unleashed his "hate" inside Konoha, and probably would have killed little boys and girls, and old ladies in the process.

I think that is the time when naruto will really have the determination to stop him at all cost...
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Konohamaru may just have something to teach Naruto yet!

Konohamaru is clearly being position as a future student, and rival, for Naruto. I think it's something he will have access to the contract necessary for Enma, and will pass it along to Naruto so that he can use Enma if needed.

that's not impossible, I bet enma has been serving sarutobi clan for generations:blink

but first try to find the contract scroll or whatever

[Montai]

But Sasuke always loses a lot. He just comes out alive is all.

I can't wait to see how much of his eye sight he's going to lose from this battle. Is anyone else but Sasuke's group and Raikage shown this chapter?

[Syphin]

There's Naruto and Madara, who knows about that "brave" Samurai (the samurai have been disappointing so far).

[elitefox]

There's Naruto and Madara, who knows about that "brave" Samurai (the samurai have been disappointing so far).

yeah pretty much, I like to see the power of the iron country too, having the same sword technique with sasuke is not a good excuse for the defeat of samurais

[Kravmaga]

There's Naruto and Madara, who knows about that "brave" Samurai (the samurai have been disappointing so far).

I concur; what a disappointment.
They gave the impression of being silent badasses whose fighting skills made ninjutsu obsolete in their country but now it turns out they are pretty much a bunch of lesser ninjas who use swords and generic elemental manipulation...
Kakashi+Gai+Yamato could probably invade the land of iron by themselves.

[Murdock]

yay-sasuke is a fool using ms while it does nothing but eats away his life
dond mind if he dies

I am afraid that Kishi will speak out of this somehow so Susano'o won't eat Sasuke's life .... believe me

[lee-nus]

ooo, can sasuke die now please? the last thing i want to see is raikage dead, he might be the best thing since sliced bread! :)

[danzouismadara]

Im sure so bored of this fight............... :mad

well anyways since madara done with naruto what is naruto and kakashi going to do????

[Osprey]

I never expected the samurai to amount too much. Not every character or group is going to be amazing fighters who gain tons of fanboys like the Raikage. You need mooks and grunts too.


Konohamaru may just have something to teach Naruto yet!

Konohamaru is clearly being position as a future student, and rival, for Naruto. I think it's something he will have access to the contract necessary for Enma, and will pass it along to Naruto so that he can use Enma if needed.
Naruto already has the toads and I doubt we will see Enma again. The person who should have received the contract was Asuma after his father died. Enma would have come in handy against Hidan and Kakuzu. But it seems Enma was retired when Hiruzen died.

The only thing the Sarutobi clan might have given Naruto was the chakra knives, but they are property of Shikamaru now.

[benjymon]

I hope konohamaru gets enma one day. Konohamaru and naruto will have ultimate team.

I hope naruto comes to stop this battle. Will piss raikage off and piss sasuke off aswell. Though i hope naruto gives sasuke a choice to either continue on his revenge or stop with his revenge. If he continues on, naruto gives him a ass whoop along.

[Thabor]

I think that is the time when naruto will really have the determination to stop him at all cost...
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that's not impossible, I bet enma has been serving sarutobi clan for generations:blink

but first try to find the contract scroll or whatever

Looks like the Sarutobi has a long stand monkey connection is literature as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarutobi_Sasuke

[LiL_JiRiyAya]

wat if this is all a genjutsu? i highly doubt it because it would piss off the readers bu t i think jugo will interfere and give sasuke time to use Amaterasu ok raikage in order to retreat. or naruto sense danger for sasuke and goes off to the iron village to save sasuke. also sasuke is ass compared to itachi..

[danzouismadara]

wat if this is all a genjutsu? i highly doubt it because it would piss off the readers bu t i think jugo will interfere and give sasuke time to use Amaterasu ok raikage in order to retreat. or naruto sense danger for sasuke and goes off to the iron village to save sasuke. also sasuke is ass compared to itachi..

dude itachi can run rings around sasuke lol itachi is the sickest character in the manga and prolly the only dude capable of giving madara a fair fight lol

[Katz]

So now that Sasuke is the proud owner of Susanoo, a tech he DEEPLY does not need, is that all for his MS techs?....or is he gonna pull out something unique to him?, I just feel Kishi didn't put alot of thought into Sasuke's MS, it looks kool, but it just seems to be a copy of Itachi's, just less powerful.....alot less powerful

[da_ni]

Naruto already has the toads and I doubt we will see Enma again. The person who should have received the contract was Asuma after his father died. Enma would have come in handy against Hidan and Kakuzu. But it seems Enma was retired when Hiruzen died.

well thought...i never remebered that...and that could be an extra point for asuma's fighting..he is so well marked in the databook stats, and made so little in real fighting...he only shown us two attacks...very laime!!
as for naruto being abble to summon monkeys, i don't think that's possible, we haven't seen anyone (apart from pain, but he is in a hole different level) summonig more that one species of animals...
Toads-Naruto, Jiraya, and Minato;
Snakes-Orochimaro, Sasuke, and Kabuto;
sludges (or whatever!)- Tsunade (maybe Sakura and Shizune);
dogs-Kakashi;
lizards - that kumo nin;
weasel - temari;
etc...

Returning on topic...i think that, for what i read of this chpater, it proves wrong all the persons that thought that for sasuke to win a battle all he would have to do was using amaterasu at it was all done!!! raikage WAS abble to dodge it (quite easily it appears) at counter-attack through it.. raikage turned out to really make honnor to the name "kage" as it appears he earsn at leats 5 at speed, taijutsu, power, and stamina, at least!!

[gold349]

vered of NF, posted a comment: 'oh by the way ,sasuke complete Susoono form is supposed to be of hawk,tenjuu with hawk face.the same shape like the one in the Temple'.

...maybe the half formed sasoono starts to resemble something like that to make that statement.

[elitefox]

dude itachi can run rings around sasuke lol itachi is the sickest character in the manga and prolly the only dude capable of giving madara a fair fight lol

Agreed that is what I am telling, Itachi is a prodigy. He is 100 levels above his brother. No comparison must be done.:s
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well thought...i never remebered that...and that could be an extra point for asuma's fighting..he is so well marked in the databook stats, and made so little in real fighting...he only shown us two attacks...very laime!!
as for naruto being abble to summon monkeys, i don't think that's possible, we haven't seen anyone (apart from pain, but he is in a hole different level) summonig more that one species of animals...
Toads-Naruto, Jiraya, and Minato;
Snakes-Orochimaro, Sasuke, and Kabuto;
sludges (or whatever!)- Tsunade (maybe Sakura and Shizune);
dogs-Kakashi;
lizards - that kumo nin;
weasel - temari;
etc...

Returning on topic...i think that, for what i read of this chpater, it proves wrong all the persons that thought that for sasuke to win a battle all he would have to do was using amaterasu at it was all done!!! raikage WAS abble to dodge it (quite easily it appears) at counter-attack through it.. raikage turned out to really make honnor to the name "kage" as it appears he earsn at leats 5 at speed, taijutsu, power, and stamina, at least!!

Well deserve title really, I am really wondering if sasuke fights danzou now, what will be the outcome? Is danzou just a show off and piss his pants or he can defeat this current sasuke not to say with ease also... so kishi is really saving sasuke since if danzou is his enemy now, both of them is determined to kill for their own purposes then danzou will have more than one sharingan eye :D

[ashher]

Agreed that is what I am telling, Itachi is a prodigy. He is 100 levels above his brother. No comparison must be done.

Itachi was cool in his own way......but if it comes to battle efficiency then I think Sasuke was very close to him during that fight,and after getting MS he has probably surpassed Itachi,or is going to surpass him very soon.

[Gats]

After his battle against Itachi, Sasuke didn't use a single time snake jutsu, seriously I thought that he has signed a contract with snakes, not that Orochimaru was the only one to be able to use this. Is it just a coincidence or he really can't summon snakes ?

[DEATHBOTT]

Itachi was cool in his own way......but if it comes to battle efficiency then I think Sasuke was very close to him during that fight,and after getting MS he has probably surpassed Itachi,or is going to surpass him very soon.

there is no doubt sasuke will surpass itachi, even tobi thinks so but at the moment itachi would win with his complete mastery of ms.

[gold349]

once Sasuke has a few years exp with MS under his belt he would have surpassed Itachi for sure...its the theme of manga.

[elitefox]

After his battle against Itachi, Sasuke didn't use a single time snake jutsu, seriously I thought that he has signed a contract with snakes, not that Orochimaru was the only one to be able to use this. Is it just a coincidence or he really can't summon snakes ?

I am not going to argue sasuke will surpass itachi but right now, solid nope, he is planning to die from the start and mostly hold back his combat power to minimum so that sasuke can reach it so. madara also stated this, if Itachi wants to kill you are dead, no questions ask. of course the alive one sasuke will eventually surpass the dead since it cannot grow anymore.

I think he still can summon snakes but will it be effective against a monster kage or just KB

[Krik]

Itachi was cool in his own way......but if it comes to battle efficiency then I think Sasuke was very close to him during that fight,and after getting MS he has probablcy surpassed Itachi,or is going to surpass him very soon.

Pretty close. To his credit, when Sasuke doesn't have his head up his ass he's usually very efficient, adaptive and ingenious in battle. Feeding his anger has done him more harm than good. Sure he has gained power but his fundamentals have taken a vacation.

[elitefox]

there is no doubt sasuke will surpass itachi, even tobi thinks so but at the moment itachi would win with his complete mastery of ms.

I don't think it is just of his mastery of ms that Itachi will win a fight over and over again with sasuke. I do believe Itachi demonstrated his power to sasuke so he can grasp the concept of it later after he pass it down, because if he didn't, he will be like naruto "what did itachi gave me?" thought... but I don't think it is all itachi can do, I believe he can defeat sasuke easily even without ms.

anyway this is another topic, so I wont reply to anymore of this

[lawlord]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

[SacredNic]

Agreed that is what I am telling, Itachi is a prodigy. He is 100 levels above his brother. No comparison must be done.:s

Yep, totally. From what we've seen of Itachi, his way of fighting has been shown to be more efficient and deadly then Sasuke.. who seems to be even more reckless with his moves then previous battles, and lacks self-control over his emotions.

Just look at how he's charging front on at the Raikage, and then has his ass handed to him. Even his teammates are pointing out his flaws right in front of him... he's pathetic!

[ashher]

After his battle against Itachi, Sasuke didn't use a single time snake jutsu, seriously I thought that he has signed a contract with snakes, not that Orochimaru was the only one to be able to use this. Is it just a coincidence or he really can't summon snakes ?

This is really an intersting question.
I dunno,this battle with RK,to me it seems only for showing sasuke's newly acquired powers.But it may be because as RK said,sasuke thought he could defeat anyone with MS.But as he is getting stretched now may be he will show those snake jutsus.
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Yep, totally. From what we've seen of Itachi, his way of fighting has been shown to be more efficient and deadly then Sasuke.. who seems to be even more reckless with his moves then previous battles, and lacks self-control over his emotions.

Just look at how he's charging front on at the Raikage, and then has his ass handed to him. Even his teammates are pointing out his flaws right in front of him... he's pathetic!

When did that happen?

About being reckless,that has always been a part of sasuke's style.

Itachi had to use all his MS techs to defeat a non-MS sasuke.That should be something to consider.

[Krik]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

No Raikage is not a random enemy. I don't understand why it's so impossible that knowledge and skill can stand up these powerful techs. Who is to say he doesn't have a weakness? You should commend Kishi for emphasizing that a Shinobi is more than a set of uber jutsu.

[DEATHBOTT]

This is really an intersting question.
I dunno,this battle with RK,to me it seems only for showing sasuke's newly acquired powers.But it may be because as RK said,sasuke thought he could defeat anyone with MS.But as he is getting stretched now may be he will show those snake jutsus.
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When did that happen?

About being reckless,that has always been a part of sasuke's style.

Itachi had to use all his MS techs to defeat a non-MS sasuke.That should be something to consider.

he didnt he could have defeated him straight off the bat he didnt want to kill him just force him to use up all his chakra to release oro so he could be sealed.

anyway back on track, it would be cool if he could use the hydra technique but i doubt he could, i cant think of any other snake related justsu he could use that could help him considering manda is dead.

[ameya730]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

dude i dont agree with you all the jutsu's shown in naruto have been powerful yet can be countered take any jutsu one it own merit it has potential to do serious harm yet it can be negated why should it be any different for amaterasu its kinda like FRS once it hits you no chance for you but thats only if it hits you

also why should the raikage not be a powerhouse it has already been established by kishi that cloud country were gathering tech to make their country more powerful it makes sense that the people of such a country would be really powerful and him being a kage he has to be the most powerful

i dont think he has been given any insane plot no jutsu skills considering the fact that sasuke was able to wound him even though he had a raiton shield also raikage seems insanely talented in taijutsu hence he is able to beat up sasuke

[elitefox]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

I think this is kishi's way of saying that if an ubersome ninja using ms techs will still be better than an above average ninja using ms techs

[Blackout286]

Sasuke is still to "new" with MS in some way. But Kishi will most likely give Sasuke some sort of power-up transformation in the next chapter. Probably involving amaterasu and susanoo. I know this sounds way off, but still Kishi doesn't want to kill off his favorite. He's only letting Sasuke get his ass kicked cause that's what the Sasuke haters want. Kishi will let his favorite get beat around alot to make haters happy, then give Sasuke a power-up to beat Raikage in the end. Or he'll get Madara to save Sasuke. Either Way, Sasuke is coming out of this alive but greatly beaten.

[elitefox]

This is really an intersting question.
I dunno,this battle with RK,to me it seems only for showing sasuke's newly acquired powers.But it may be because as RK said,sasuke thought he could defeat anyone with MS.But as he is getting stretched now may be he will show those snake jutsus.
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When did that happen?

About being reckless,that has always been a part of sasuke's style.

Itachi had to use all his MS techs to defeat a non-MS sasuke.That should be something to consider.

As far as I see it, Itachi just demonstrated the techs so that sasuke will have an idea how to use them:D
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Well as far as I am concern, sasuke is away from harm... if he meets danzou as he is now... with that sharingan obsess old geezer, I tell yah, his eyes is gonna get scoop like itachi's genjutsu about :tem

[ashher]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

Perhaps u should remember that sharingan is only nin-weapon and it is only as good as its user.I am not saying Sasuke is bad nin.....its just that this is his first time using MS techs and so its really unfair to compare his MS with Itachi's MS right now. I mean look at his susanoo.

Also Naruto's fights have always been about strategy than raw powers......this skills of RK would have been nothing against Pain.....but Pain could very well have trouble against MS. So its not BS in any way.

[Gats]

Stop with Raikage being God mod seriously. He looks like a sage mode only because he is physically very strong. If you imagine a Raikage with Sage mode he will kill the speedy Raikage we know easy, he lost at speed yes but he doesn't need to touch his enemy to punch him, so even if the speedy Raikage dodged he would be more than K.O and the Sage raikage have also his amazing strenght power up. (RAIKAGE IN SAGE MODE JUST IMAGINE HIS HEAD LOL)

This raiton jutsu is very powerful FOR a guy like Raikage, not for a random ninja.

He is strong, but he seemed to be a very specialized type. It's difficult for Sasuke because he is also a raiton user (it's an advantage too but..), if Raikage was against a Sasuke with wind affinity it would be much easier for the Uchiha to hurt him (but not necessarily beat him).

[ashher]

As far as I see it, Itachi just demonstrated the techs so that sasuke will have an idea how to use them:D
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Well as far as I am concern, sasuke is away from harm... if he meets danzou as he is now... with that sharingan obsess old geezer, I tell yah, his eyes is gonna get scoop like itachi's genjutsu about :tem

As far as I can see it,if Itachi hadn't demonstrated his techs.....sasuke's Kirin would've sent him to afterlife a little too early for his liking:p

sasuke defeated both Tsukiyami and Amataresu....Itanhi trumped him only with his hidden card Susanoo

[elitefox]

As far as I can see it,if Itachi hadn't demonstrated his techs.....sasuke's Kirin would've sent him to afterlife a little too early for his liking:p

sasuke defeated both Tsukiyami and Amataresu....Itanhi trumped him only with his hidden card Susanoo

Itachi can finish it sooner than wait for sasuke to be out of chakra, I think Itachi doesn't want long fights

damn I answered again, anyways this is getting out of hand, topic now is becoming who is stronger Itachi or Sasuke

[SenninSage]

oh nice kishi go create some super uber ninja with no pitfalls, speed, strength, ninjutsu to go and make ameratsu and Susanoo, let alone Tsykuomi (where the F is that) unable to work and look pathetic.

Great, now that you've eclipsed Sasuke with a ninja I don't care about how about Naruto too? Oh wait... raikage is practically sage mode naruto but better.

Rubbish. I'd expect these kind of ridiculously powerful enemies in DBZ.


For those people who say "im not surprised he's a kage". Tsunade was a kage. 3rd Hokage, Kazekage. This guy has been given insane plot no jutsu skills. Oh cool Sharingun doesn't work. Oh cool Itachi's legacy in the most insane techs don't work. Cool give the random guy everything possible with no weaknesses yet.


I hate seeing awesome jutsu watered down, and random enemies having counters to jutsu they could have never conceived of.

itachi just got shat on this chapter by insane plot BS skills from Raikage.

Now now, we can't help that Sasuke is being exposed as a poor man's Itachi. It's clear who Madara and Orochimaru really wanted for their own ends, but Itachi was too much for them to control so they resorted to their fall back guy. They resorted to the inferior, yet still highly talented, but significantly more foolish and easily manipulated younger brother.

I didn't think people would take the Sharingan not proving to be the be all end all so badly. Don't worry though, Sasuke has a new, and fairly impressive MS jutsu that he hasn't revealed as of yet. He will probably use it to deactivate the Raikage's Raiton Shield, and then things will become very interesting, to say the least.

And if you think the Raikage is practically Sage Mode Naruto, but better, then you clearly have no idea what it is you're saying. The Raikage doesn't possess frog katas, he doesn't possess Naruto's unbelievable chakra sensing ability, he doesn't possess one of the more significant benefits of using Sage Mode in the first place, you are using external energy so your recovery is much quicker as a result after performing techniques.

The Raikage may not be showing it yet, but all of what he's using is his own power, and even though he may have a lot of it, depending on how long and hard he fights for, he can't escape the reality of what comes at the cost of using your energy. I also don't see the Raikage tossing highly condensed quick spinning chakras.

The Raikage is also strong, but consider me not convinced that he could toss a massive boss summon with the same ease that a Sage Mode Naruto did, or even at all. Kicking Sasuke around doesn't exactly take ungodly levels of physical strength.

[lawlord]

dude i dont agree with you all the jutsu's shown in naruto have been powerful yet can be countered take any jutsu one it own merit it has potential to do serious harm yet it can be negated why should it be any different for amaterasu its kinda like FRS once it hits you no chance for you but thats only if it hits you

also why should the raikage not be a powerhouse it has already been established by kishi that cloud country were gathering tech to make their country more powerful it makes sense that the people of such a country would be really powerful and him being a kage he has to be the most powerful

i dont think he has been given any insane plot no jutsu skills considering the fact that sasuke was able to wound him even though he had a raiton shield also raikage seems insanely talented in taijutsu hence he is able to beat up sasuke

ninjas usually specialise in a few areas.

Here we have Raikage:
* stronger than sage mode (imagine if Raikage kicked god pain)
* faster than ANYONE
*More chakra than Kisame
*Insane ninjutsu, almost impenetrable armor
*ridiculous reflexes
*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)
*Immune to fkn Ameratsu and bypasses Susanoo apparantly
*makes my favourate character Itachi, and his legacy and techniques look like TRASH.

This has gone too far with his power.

This has made sage mode seem cheap. Made itachi cheap.

[Xiraiya]

People are moaning about Raikage, but to be fair, This is exactly every other village had to deal with when Konoha had it's first four Hokage's,

If Raikage keeps it up, I'll consider him Hokage rank soon. (Until Tsunade, The Hokage was like a Jounin among Chuunin)

[ashher]

ninjas usually specialise in a few areas.

Here we have Raikage:
* stronger than sage mode (imagine if Raikage kicked god pain)
* faster than ANYONE
*More chakra than Kisame
*Insane ninjutsu, almost impenetrable armor
*ridiculous reflexes
*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)
*Immune to fkn Ameratsu and bypasses Susanoo apparantly
*makes my favourate character Itachi, and his legacy and techniques look like TRASH.

This has gone too far with his power.

This has made sage mode seem cheap. Made itachi cheap.

No idea where u found these infos.and perhaps u didn't bother to read all those posts saying Sasuke's MS is nowhere near Itachi's MS yet.I repeat look at his Susanoo

[elitefox]

ninjas usually specialise in a few areas.

Here we have Raikage:
* stronger than sage mode (imagine if Raikage kicked god pain)
* faster than ANYONE
*More chakra than Kisame
*Insane ninjutsu, almost impenetrable armor
*ridiculous reflexes
*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)
*Immune to fkn Ameratsu and bypasses Susanoo apparantly
*makes my favourate character Itachi, and his legacy and techniques look like TRASH.

This has gone too far with his power.

This has made sage mode seem cheap. Made itachi cheap.

hmm, sasuke and naruto is still not kage level to be a start and both of them fight their ubersome enemies at 30-40% battle efficiency. though I think raikage is still holding back until darui says he is kinda serious

[ashher]

Now now, we can't help that Sasuke is being exposed as a poor man's Itachi. It's clear who Madara and Orochimaru really wanted for their own ends, but Itachi was too much for them to control so they resorted to their fall back guy. They resorted to the inferior, yet still highly talented, but significantly more foolish and easily manipulated younger brother.


Judging a novice Sasuke against a pro Itachi when it comes to MS use..... is really harsh.U could atleast have added "a guy with more potential" in that CV for Sasuke as testified by nearly all people relevent.

[Beldin]

*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)
maybe because his chakra sistem is electric charge by the raiton armor: electricity makes the chakra circulatory system continually disturbed, doing the same thing the biju did for killerbee

just a theory

[ameya730]

ninjas usually specialise in a few areas.

Here we have Raikage:
* stronger than sage mode (imagine if Raikage kicked god pain)

i dont think he is stronger than sage mode simply because naruto missed a punch and the other guy was still knocked out where as raikage's punches though powerful are nowhere near that level




* faster than ANYONE
*More chakra than Kisame
*ridiculous reflexes


i dont see any problem with the above three some one is always going to be faster or have more chakra than someone else



*Insane ninjutsu, almost impenetrable armor

sasuke was able to wound him with chidori so it dont think its impenetrable





*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)

i agree i am confused about that part also



*Immune to fkn Ameratsu and bypasses Susanoo apparantly

susunoo incomplete and ametarasu well like i said every jutsu can be countered



*makes my favourate character Itachi, and his legacy and techniques look like TRASH.


sorry cant contradict you there its you personal opinion and well i agree:s




This has gone too far with his power.
This has made sage mode seem cheap. Made itachi cheap.

so i dont think sage mode has been made to seem cheap and let us not forget that sage mode is still only a tech as such susceptible to counter

[lawlord]

No idea where u found these infos.and perhaps u didn't bother to read all those posts saying Sasuke's MS is nowhere near Itachi's MS yet.I repeat look at his Susanoo

let me give you an idea:

1. Stronger than sage mode - when naruto kicked god pain while in sage mode he was thrown like 20 m and didn't get up for a bit. When Raikage punched juugo it sent him through several concrete barriers and punched a hole in armor we know can block steel with.

2. Speed, we have never seen anyone exceed his speed without space time. He dodged ameratsu, something Sasuke couldn't do. Generally when someone is really powerful, they dont get rediculous speed to match. oh wait Raikage did...

3. Reflexes - faster than a flash of light

4. Chakra - = a tailed beast. Oh so he's a chakra beast too then... zzz

5. ninjutsu - so his body lightning is a sheild that can block chidori swords, and chidori can't even get through properly. Bet a rasengan wouldn't either.

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.

7. Immunity to sharingun - so fast even the sharingun can't see it. That is just trash. How can you miss ameratsu with a sharingun...

[elitefox]

Judging a novice Sasuke against a pro Itachi when it comes to MS use..... is really harsh.U could atleast have added "a guy with more potential" in that CV for Sasuke as testified by nearly all people relevent.

dont be too hot headed, sasuke has a potential right on the spot... but now he is still a novice so let them call sasuke novice, nothing is wrong with that and hope kishi will surprise us after madara trains him more or less to be more capable as he is now... he will use the video from aloe vera as a reference lol :D

Itachi is a prodigy no less...

[The Closet Pervert]

let me give you an idea:

*lots of good points*


High speed, close combat abilities, high endurance, brutal strength...sounds awfully like Sage Mode Naruto yes? :) One could count this fight as a prelude to what we can expect on Naruto vs Sasuke!

Maybe with experience from Raikage, Sasuke won't get his ass kicked so badly when he goes against Naruto.

[Beldin]

i agree i am confused about that part also

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.
i've trying to explain this: probably i'm wrong, but at least read me:)

[Gats]

ninjas usually specialise in a few areas.

This is the case for Raikage : Speed and Physical Strenght.



* stronger than sage mode (imagine if Raikage kicked god pain)

uh why ? Naruto stopped a huge animal summon and throw it away like nothing, he one shot one Pain body with a punch.




* faster than ANYONE

This is what his jutsu is designed for, but it seems that Minato was already better.


*More chakra than Kisame

Impossible to know, all we have about Kisame is Neji saying he has never seen a huge chakra like this since Naruto, and Kisame showed only 30% of chakra AND lend some to Itachi.


*Insane ninjutsu, almost impenetrable armor

It's just a question of elemental affinity, take Sasuke specialised in wind jutsu, the Raikage raiton protection would be crappy.



*ridiculous reflexes

=> raiton jutsu


*immune to genjutsu (WHY?)

We have nothing to say since we don't know why, maybe it's like Gaito's method.



*Immune to fkn Ameratsu and bypasses Susanoo apparantly

This is not immunity, since he is really fast, it is quite normal that he can dodge these power (and Susanoo was incompleted).


*makes my favourate character Itachi, and his legacy and techniques look like TRASH.

So you are choked because for one time Sharingan doesn't rule the world ?


This has gone too far with his power.

Sasuke doesn't have the right tools or didn't use it efficiently. If Sasuke just burn him like this, we can say that this has gone too far with Sharingan power.


This has made sage mode seem cheap. Made itachi cheap.

No way, put him in face of Naruto, Raikage would dodge him with his speed but Naruto would punch him since he doesn't need to touch him.



And he is far older than Sasuke, experience difference means something. It would be ridiculous that Sasuke would beat him like nothing just with MS power, a guy who knew war (and put everything in military strenght) and certainly already fought Uchiha ninjas. Sasuke might be a genius but he is still a youngster.

And for the rest, just read my previous post.

[ameya730]

oh damn just saw the pics on NF raikage hits sasuke through amaterasu LOL its proper WWE going on currently
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i've trying to explain this: maybe i'm wrong, but at least read me:)

i read your post but that was after i had posted this :facepalm

[Beldin]

oh damn just saw the pics on NF raikage hits sasuke through amaterasu LOL its proper WWE going on currently
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i read your post but that was after i had posted this :facepalm
well, what do you think? this can be a possible explanation?

[ashher]

let me give you an idea:

1. Stronger than sage mode - when naruto kicked god pain while in sage mode he was thrown like 20 m and didn't get up for a bit. When Raikage punched juugo it sent him through several concrete barriers and punched a hole in armor we know can block steel with.

2. Speed, we have never seen anyone exceed his speed without space time. He dodged ameratsu, something Sasuke couldn't do. Generally when someone is really powerful, they dont get rediculous speed to match. oh wait Raikage did...

3. Reflexes - faster than a flash of light

4. Chakra - = a tailed beast. Oh so he's a chakra beast too then... zzz

5. ninjutsu - so his body lightning is a sheild that can block chidori swords, and chidori can't even get through properly. Bet a rasengan wouldn't either.

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.

7. Immunity to sharingun - so fast even the sharingun can't see it. That is just trash. How can you miss ameratsu with a sharingun...

Well let me give u my counters......

1.Naruto in sage mode totally devastated a body of pain....I don't see RK doing that to Juugo.

2.Its sasuke's amataresu we are talking about.Even though he had better control over it,his isn't as fast as Itachi's yet.Remember how even Karin had time to run around before getting caught.

3.What's wrong with RK having fastest reflex?Cloud nins seem to be better at Taijutsu in general.

4.Chakra- even Kisame was said to be so.And so is Sasuke.

5.Strange- why can't Kage level Raiton user can't have a sheild of lightning?after all chidori is spear like lightning tech.

6.He merely said sharingan won't work on me.....he didn't specify Tsukiyami....and also Jiraya said by creating large chakra genjutsu can be broken.Sasuke broke tsukiyami. So why not a Kage?

7.Again its basic that if can't aim,u can't hit.Do u think 4th hokage woul've been hit by sahringan?Also....Kakashi the copy nin could'nt even see Itachi making seals with his sharingan.

And what about Susanoo?And about Sasuke still not being fully accomplished in MS?What's ur opinion about these 2 points?

[3c]

To me it's ridiculous how Sasuke has "mastered" Amaterasu to a level higher than what Itachi did. What the hell do the cloud ninja know? Itachi would have devestated Sasuke if he wanted to. Sasuke may have won his fight against Itachi, but so did Itachi in a way. They both won. Sasuke played his role, as did Itachi. Let's not forget that Itachi would have been far deadlier that what he was in his fight against Sasuke if he was his "normal" self. Meaning if he wanted to, plus his stamina and strenght was decreased thanks to his disease.

Sasuke may have more potential than Itachi. Though I refuse to believe this. If you compare their achievements at the same ages, they're vastly different. To me Itachi was always the Uchiha prodigy, while Sasuke was more of a hard worker, but still very talented. But still inferior to Itachi.

It seems to me like Kishi doesn't have any other choice than to make Sasuke a spontanious and sudden master of his MS. As he can't train without going rapidly blind and Kishi can't afford the screen time needed for Sasuke's training without damaging the plot. It's sad, but unfortunately necessary.

[benjymon]

Cant say sasuke will lose because his still young. If naruto was fighting raikage right now, raikage would get his a$$ kicked.

[Jadedmariner]

let me give you an idea:

1. Stronger than sage mode - when naruto kicked god pain while in sage mode he was thrown like 20 m and didn't get up for a bit. When Raikage punched juugo it sent him through several concrete barriers and punched a hole in armor we know can block steel with.

2. Speed, we have never seen anyone exceed his speed without space time. He dodged ameratsu, something Sasuke couldn't do. Generally when someone is really powerful, they dont get rediculous speed to match. oh wait Raikage did...

3. Reflexes - faster than a flash of light

4. Chakra - = a tailed beast. Oh so he's a chakra beast too then... zzz

5. ninjutsu - so his body lightning is a sheild that can block chidori swords, and chidori can't even get through properly. Bet a rasengan wouldn't either.

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.

7. Immunity to sharingun - so fast even the sharingun can't see it. That is just trash. How can you miss ameratsu with a sharingun...

Firstly both 2 and 7 are the same damn thing. It isn't even the first time Sharingan has failed to follow an opponent or jutsu in the manga. Secondly his strength, speed, the ability to sense chakra, and immunity to genjutsu are all related to the same jutsu he is using. For god sakes Sage Mode grants strength, speed, reflexes, and healing power to its user. Lastly, using a chakra shroud type technique is going to require an enormous amount of chakra to use. This was true of Sage Mode and its true of the Raikage's technique so it isn't surprising he would have a huge supply of chakra. The point is that everything on your list is connected to a single jutsu, which is a specialization of the Raikage. It isn't like he has a separate technique or jutsu that is giving him all these different skill sets.

As far as Chidori not killing him that should be frickin obvious. The fact Chidori even injured him is actually to a degree surprising because is an A class Raiton jutsu piercing what almost assuredly is a S-class chakra shroud technique. To be honest the Rasengan should be more effective against the Raikage's technique simply because it has no elemental affinity, but I wouldn't want it to damage him much because it greatly degrade his jutsu.

To be honest looking at the Raikage's jutsu and his skill set the guy was tailor made to fight and lose to Naruto. Defeating him would likely require a skill on the level of Sage mode and a Fuuton affinity. However, I could just as easily see Madara killing him while saving Sasuke.

[ameya730]

well, what do you think? this can be a possible explanation?

yes but i think that raikage would have to send the electricity internally or else it would not work but then that would be dangerous for the body cause we have seen sasuke do that once and it took the wind out of him

i think that raikage probably sends tiny electric shocks to his brain periodically so that if any of his senses are under genjutsu they would be shocked back to normal got this idea when i was thinking about what you said

[TheLoneWarrior222]

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So looks like Susanoo let's an attack through. Where's Darth Executor? I'm sure he has something to say about this. Though, he'll probably deny he said that Susanoo didn't let said attack through.

[Krik]

let me give you an idea:

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.

7. Immunity to sharingun - so fast even the sharingun can't see it. That is just trash. How can you miss ameratsu with a sharingun...

Oh come on! How long are people going to use the no tailed beast excuse? When and if Kishi shows other means of genjutsu countering, are we going to keep screaming plot hole? You also don't take into consideration Sasuke's skill level. Sasuke still has a long way to go towards mastering the Sharingan. There is nothing unfeasible about what Raikage is doing in comparison to Sasuke's current skill level.

[Beldin]

The point is that everything on your list is connected to a single jutsu, which is a specialization of the Raikage.
yes, and his raiton armor is probably an S-rank jutsu just like FRS or Kirin

an S-rank jutsu is obviously amazing in terms of power

[ashher]

dont be too hot headed, sasuke has a potential right on the spot... but now he is still a novice so let them call sasuke novice, nothing is wrong with that and hope kishi will surprise us after madara trains him more or less to be more capable as he is now... he will use the video from aloe vera as a reference lol :D

Itachi is a prodigy no less...

Hey u said u ain't gonna talk about this any more:D

There is a nice thread in Toshokan,only explaining about Sasuke and why Sasuke isn't really bad.....I have forgotten who wrote that and also name of that.Kindly go there.

Sasuke is a better prodigy than Itachi...:D

[lawlord]

Oh come on! How long are people going to use the no tailed beast excuse? When and if Kishi shows other means of genjutsu countering, are we going to keep screaming plot hole? You also don't take into consideration Sasuke's skill level. Sasuke still has a long way to go towards mastering the Sharingan. There is nothing unfeasible about what Raikage is doing in comparison to Sasuke's current skill level.

um wasn't it Sasuke who overcame Tsykuomi with a normal sharingun? Didn't Zetsu comment how Sasuke was the master with the stone beating the kunai user.

I agree he has to develop Susanoo, but Ameratsu being unable to hit someone because Sasuke's sharingun couldn't see it? This chapter already proved it, if Sasuke can land a hit on the guy, how could he possibly be so fast his sharingun couldn't even look at him...

[Gats]

let me give you an idea:

1. Stronger than sage mode - when naruto kicked god pain while in sage mode he was thrown like 20 m and didn't get up for a bit. When Raikage punched juugo it sent him through several concrete barriers and punched a hole in armor we know can block steel with.

2. Speed, we have never seen anyone exceed his speed without space time. He dodged ameratsu, something Sasuke couldn't do. Generally when someone is really powerful, they dont get rediculous speed to match. oh wait Raikage did...

3. Reflexes - faster than a flash of light

4. Chakra - = a tailed beast. Oh so he's a chakra beast too then... zzz

5. ninjutsu - so his body lightning is a sheild that can block chidori swords, and chidori can't even get through properly. Bet a rasengan wouldn't either.

6. Immunity to genjustu- "sharingun wont work on me". Plot hole of why no tsykuomi as he has no tailed beast.

7. Immunity to sharingun - so fast even the sharingun can't see it. That is just trash. How can you miss ameratsu with a sharingun...

1. It means absolutely nothing, you just forget that Naruto has thrown away a huge beast. We are not even sure that he put all of his strenght in his punch.

2. I don't get it. Why it would be impossible that a shinobi with higher speed than Sasuke should not exist ?

3. This is what his jutsu is for.

4. It's about the amount, and tailed beast doesn't have the same strenght or chakra amount. Karin would certainly faint or peed in her pants if she felt the nine-tail chakra.

5. Just take a strong wind jutsu and his raiton protection is done. It's all about element.

6. Many explanations, Gaito method, or something with the power up of his raiton jutsu on his chakra flow system.

7. The Sharingan shows future location of the move of the ennemy, but if the ennemy is very fast it's possible that Sasuke cannot see in time his futre location, even more if Raikage doesn't stop to move. Just read the fight between Sasuke and Naruto in kyuubi mode, see what happens when he saw Naruto moves, and multiple it by 100, even Sasuke can't predict it fast enough, even if he could his reflexes to stop the move would be too low.
It's easy to dodge Amateratsu if Sasuke cannot follow your speed with his eyes.

[DEATHBOTT]

To me it's ridiculous how Sasuke has "mastered" Amaterasu to a level higher than what Itachi did. What the hell do the cloud ninja know? Itachi would have devestated Sasuke if he wanted to. Sasuke may have won his fight against Itachi, but so did Itachi in a way. They both won. Sasuke played his role, as did Itachi. Let's not forget that Itachi would have been far deadlier that what he was in his fight against Sasuke if he was his "normal" self. Meaning if he wanted to, plus his stamina and strenght was decreased thanks to his disease.

Sasuke may have more potential than Itachi. Though I refuse to believe this. If you compare their achievements at the same ages, they're vastly different. To me Itachi was always the Uchiha prodigy, while Sasuke was more of a hard worker, but still very talented. But still inferior to Itachi.

It seems to me like Kishi doesn't have any other choice than to make Sasuke a spontanious and sudden master of his MS. As he can't train without going rapidly blind and Kishi can't afford the screen time needed for Sasuke's training without damaging the plot. It's sad, but unfortunately necessary.

we have a very powerful character from the manga stating that sasuke has more potential than itachi vs your opion.:facepalm
And how has sasuke mastered ms, all his attempts to use it have failed apart from using amaterasu on bee and his sussonoo is clearly imcomplete.:facepalm

How fuck can the raikage punch through amaterasu?

[Beldin]

5. Just take a strong wind jutsu and his raiton protection is done. It's all about element.
that's depend from the level of the jutsu: if the raiton armor is S-rank, the fuuton must be at least an A-rank


How fuck can the raikage punch through amaterasu?
it seems that amaterasu doesn't effect his armor

[The Closet Pervert]

Hah! Raikage punching trough "Susanoo + Amaterasu" armor of Sasuke is one badass picture!

But looks like Raikage cought fire. That could prove to be a problem for him, if he can't finihs Sasuke off right now (I doubt he can). I guess.

Some really cool effects you got there!
[hr]
Yes, Raikage has that full-body-armor-made-of-lightning. That protects him from Amaterasu I guess. As long as he has chakra left.

[3c]

we have a very powerful character from the manga stating that sasuke has more potential than itachi vs your opion.:facepalm
And how has sasuke mastered ms, all his attempts to use it have failed apart from using amaterasu on bee and his sussonoo is clearly imcomplete.:facepalm

How fuck can the raikage punch through amaterasu?

That statement can be taken in a lot of ways. As far as we've seen I see nothing that can change my opinion about Sasuke having more potential than Itachi. Madara can say all he want. For all we know it can mean that Sasuke's eyes will surpass Itachi's in the way they can be of use for Madara. Not necessarely in power. Though it remains to be seen. Unless we see Sasuke being stronger than Itachi at an equal age I'll let my opinion stay.

C clearly asked himself if Sasuke's skill with Amaterasu exceeds Itachi. That's what I thought was ridiculous. I agree with you. I didn't say Sasuke was a master, far from it. He still has ways to go to master the Sharingan as well as Itachi had.

[Jadedmariner]

um wasn't it Sasuke who overcame Tsykuomi with a normal sharingun? Didn't Zetsu comment how Sasuke was the master with the stone beating the kunai user.

I agree he has to develop Susanoo, but Ameratsu being unable to hit someone because Sasuke's sharingun couldn't see it? This chapter already proved it, if Sasuke can land a hit on the guy, how could he possibly be so fast his sharingun couldn't even look at him...

The Raikage increases his chakra shroud once he see's Sasuke use MS. In otherwords, he likely made the shroud even more powerful increasing his speed to yet another level.

[Gats]

This chapter already proved it, if Sasuke can land a hit on the guy, how could he possibly be so fast his sharingun couldn't even look at him...

Sasuke could hit him because raikage was just rushing toward him and he thought that his raiton protection would be ok. Since Raikage is surprised to see that Sasuke is able to hurt him.

[3c]

Holy crap Raikage slaps Sasuke like a little bitch through his own Amaterasu shield.

Raikage is really the definition of badass.

To me, Kumogakura = synonymous with badass.

[Cueil]

I am not going to argue sasuke will surpass itachi but right now, solid nope, he is planning to die from the start and mostly hold back his combat power to minimum so that sasuke can reach it so. madara also stated this, if Itachi wants to kill you are dead, no questions ask. of course the alive one sasuke will eventually surpass the dead since it cannot grow anymore.

I think he still can summon snakes but will it be effective against a monster kage or just KB

I think that Sasuke is going to understand that he's got to use his natural skill to beat the Riakage... leaning on the MS is only going to cause him problems... next is his analytical style of fighting... either that or Madara put a bijuu in him, like I said a couple weeks ago, without his knowing

[TheLoneWarrior222]

Holy crap Raikage slaps Sasuke like a little bitch through his own Amaterasu shield.

Raikage is really the definition of badass.

To me, Kumogakura = synonymous with badass.

Yeah, first Sasuke took an epic clothesline from Killer Bee.

Now he's taking a huge chop to the neck from Raikage.

He has no luck against the brothers of bad ass.

[Gats]

that's depend from the level of the jutsu: if the raiton armor is S-rank, the fuuton must be at least an A-rank


Of course, what I said is meaningless if it wasn't at the same level as Chidori (or a little lower). I just said "just imagine Sasuke with the same jutsu but wind, not raiton".

[Cueil]

Holy crap Raikage slaps Sasuke like a little bitch through his own Amaterasu shield.

Raikage is really the definition of badass.

To me, Kumogakura = synonymous with badass.

I'd like to see how his style stacks up against a sage like Naruto... I dont think he could stand toe to toe in a beat down with Naruto

[lawlord]

my point is, this guy has too many skills. He's TOP tier in everything. He's too strong in comparison to previous Kage's and I don't like ultra strong characters being introduced with ways to counter previously way hyped jutsu.

Either way I'll see how Raikage gets out of the Ameratsu attatched to himself (at least it looks like it).

[toyin]

ENOUGH!!... Raikage is the kage of the cloud village, do we expect sasuke to just beat him up easily. Why can't he be this strong, It is clear that he might have had an experience with a sharingan before(kakashi or even Itachi judging from what C said).

Honestly, no one was complaining when Rock lee had all this characteristics. The enemy of the sharingan is extreme speed, if you are to fast for the eye to catch up then you win. Sasuke has been fighting like an amateur lately, his rage is not making things better. See how easily he could defeat naruto, sai and yamato in the beginning.

Back on Topic, I think sasuke might still have some Ms moves because he is just using Itachi ms techniques, every Ms has there own unique techinque.

[TheLoneWarrior222]

my point is, this guy has too many skills. He's TOP tier in everything. He's too strong in comparison to previous Kage's and I don't like ultra strong characters being introduced with ways to counter previously way hyped jutsu.

Either way I'll see how Raikage gets out of the Ameratsu attatched to himself (at least it looks like it).

He's one of the 5 strongest people in the world, he's supposed to be ridiculous. Look at all the badasses the Leaf has produced. Why can't the Cloud have 2?

Also, he's not top tier in genjutsu. So he's not top tier in everything.

[David Gill]

Well, the spoiler pics show that Sasuke doesn't even have a scratch! lol

[TheLoneWarrior222]

Well, the spoiler pics show that Sasuke doesn't even have a scratch! lol

Look at the picture where Sasuke's getting chopped. His face looks pretty scratched up to me.

[3c]

I'd like to see how his style stacks up against a sage like Naruto... I dont think he could stand toe to toe in a beat down with Naruto

Naruto would probably beat the Raikage. He has the necessary skills to do so. He can match his speed, plus even if they face off in taijutsu even if Naruto misses he'll still knock a billion brain cells out of Raikage's brain. Raikage's strength wouldn't be super effective against Naruto either because of Naruto's insane durability while in Sage Mode. He has a chakra mass to compete with Raikage, plus his fuuton would be super effective against Raikage's armor. The challenge would be to be able to land a successful hit with FRS, which would be insanely hard with Raikage's speed and strength. I doubt two clones could hold him down like he was gonna do against God Realm Pain.

Would definitely be a interesting fight. Sad that we probably never will see it.

[Jadedmariner]

my point is, this guy has too many skills. He's TOP tier in everything. He's too strong in comparison to previous Kage's and I don't like ultra strong characters being introduced with ways to counter previously way hyped jutsu.

Either way I'll see how Raikage gets out of the Ameratsu attatched to himself (at least it looks like it).

Except his only shown 2 total. He has a chakra shroud and he has Taijutsu. You act as though he is behaving like Orochimaru or Sarutobi and using a wide array of techniques. The guy has created a chakra shroud around himself and has used Taijutsu, that's it. And of course people are going to be able to counter moves like FRS, Amaterasu, and Tsukiyomi. Do you have any freaking idea how boring this manga would be if Naruto or Sasuke could just use their strongest jutsu and one hit KO any enemy they face?

[Gats]

my point is, this guy has too many skills. He's TOP tier in everything. He's too strong in comparison to previous Kage's and I don't like ultra strong characters being introduced with ways to counter previously way hyped jutsu.

Either way I'll see how Raikage gets out of the Ameratsu attatched to himself (at least it looks like it).

No he hasn't many skills, it's just that ONE jutsu power up greatly his basic fight skills, he is a very good jutsu technician.

And it seems that the black flames are on his kind of armlet so his body is still safe, I think this is what he intended, that's why he doesn't care much about it.

[Jadedmariner]

Naruto would probably beat the Raikage. He has the necessary skills to do so. He can match his speed, plus even if they face off in taijutsu even if Naruto misses he'll still knock a billion brain cells out of Raikage's brain. Raikage's strength wouldn't be super effective against Naruto either because of Naruto's insane durability while in Sage Mode. He has a chakra mass to compete with Raikage, plus his fuuton would be super effective against Raikage's armor. The challenge would be to be able to land a successful hit with FRS, which would be insanely hard with Raikage's speed and strength. I doubt two clones could hold him down like he was gonna do against God Realm Pain.


I largely agree, however the one issue that Naruto might have in that fight is he would likely have to use FRS as a normal Rasengan which might still be excessively self damaging. The Raikage just seems to fast to be hit by a projectile.

[Cueil]

Naruto would probably beat the Raikage. He has the necessary skills to do so. He can match his speed, plus even if they face off in taijutsu even if Naruto misses he'll still knock a billion brain cells out of Raikage's brain. Raikage's strength wouldn't be super effective against Naruto either because of Naruto's insane durability while in Sage Mode. He has a chakra mass to compete with Raikage, plus his fuuton would be super effective against Raikage's armor. The challenge would be to be able to land a successful hit with FRS, which would be insanely hard with Raikage's speed and strength. I doubt two clones could hold him down like he was gonna do against God Realm Pain.

Would definitely be a interesting fight. Sad that we probably never will see it.

I'm hoping that it's Naruto who shows up to stop the Riakage... but that's just wishful thinking... but I think the biggest problem Naruto will have is the time restrictions he has with Sage Mode... I think he'll negate that by using it then using the The Shroud of Kyubi as a sort of infinit sorce of natural energy

[lawlord]

He's one of the 5 strongest people in the world, he suppose to be strong. Look at all the badasses the Leaf has produced. Why can't the Cloud have 2?

Also, he's not top tier in genjutsu. So he's not top tier in everything.

Raikage doesn't match preconveived notions of the power of a kage. He is so strong he could have dealt with half of Akatsuki alone.

I don't like the fact that past Kages are being left in the dust. I liked the fact that Orochimaru had enough power to take out the 3rd and the Sand kage. What I don't like the fact is that the new Kage could take out half of Akatsuki, is too similar to Naruto, somehow evades or has skills against things which should be a threat to him (genjutsu?).

Ah well, I'll see how the rest of the fight goes.

But seriously
Tsunade = strong + medical
Raikage = strong + lightning armor + insanely fast + massive chakra+immune to genjutsu+faster than sharingun+punches through Susano

It just seems past Kages are crap compared to this one, and I like my Narutoverse to make sense in terms of power. Akatsuki members should be able to take down a Kage on their own, generally. This has happened (oro, Diedara). Raikage has me thinking he could take down half of Akatsuki by himself, and thats just not consistent.

[3c]

Except his only shown 2 total. He has a chakra shroud and he has Taijutsu. You act as though he is behaving like Orochimaru or Sarutobi and using a wide array of techniques. The guy has created a chakra shroud around himself and has used Taijutsu, that's it. And of course people are going to be able to counter moves like FRS, Amaterasu, and Tsukiyomi. Do you have any freaking idea how boring this manga would be if Naruto or Sasuke could just use their strongest jutsu and one hit KO any enemy they face?

Totally agree. Naruto and Sasuke's opponents have to be able to counter their 1 hit KO jutsus at this point. Because they use them to rapidly, and if they would get hit right away it'd be over in no time. It's a reason why Naruto had to throw 5 FRS at Pain before he could defeat him. And even then he didn't defeat him with FRS, but a simple Rasengan.

It's become to much "power" lately in my opinion. It's still entertaining to watch. But a ninja battle shouldn't be about explosions, but tactics. Lately it's been to many explosions and rushing at each other, which kinda took away the feeling of ninja battles that we got in part 1. That's why I enjoyed the last chapters of Naruto vs Pain a lot. Because there Naruto had devised a plan, and executed a multi-step plan which was almost at Shikamaru's level of thinking ahead. The fight we're seeing now is fun to watch, but it's just an all out war. It's no "tactics" in the true sense, at least not from Sasuke's part.

[Beldin]

It just seems past Kages are crap compared to this one, and I like my Narutoverse to make sense in terms of power. Akatsuki members should be able to take down a Kage on their own, generally. This has happened (oro, Diedara).
3rd was weak because of the age, also they are inside a barrier made by oro's ninja; Gaara sacrifice himself for the village. Sarutobi was considered the most powerful kage of his age, that's includes raikage

for me, you underestimated the kages, no offense

[David Gill]

Why isn't one kage allowed to be uber strong?! You're only saying that because Konoha's Hokage is weak. I'm actually liking the fact that outside of konoha stronger shinobi exist. Before Killerbee was introduced i dont think there was any one character outside of konoha who was super uber strong, except Gaara maybe.

[Xiraiya]

my point is, this guy has too many skills. He's TOP tier in everything. He's too strong in comparison to previous Kage's and I don't like ultra strong characters being introduced with ways to counter previously way hyped jutsu.

Either way I'll see how Raikage gets out of the Ameratsu attatched to himself (at least it looks like it).

*puts a hand on lawlords shoulder* I Know, I know you're struggling with this lawlord, But you see... Sasuke just isn't the seemingly unkillable Prodigy Kishi made him out to be for so many chapters, he had to be snapped back to Reality eventually.
Don't fret, I'm sure Kishi will come to his senses and find some bullshit way for Sasuke to win, he has been reliable like that.

If hypothetically Raikage fought Minato or Hashirama etc, I'd imagine they'd beat him.

Sarutobi as well probably could beat Raikage. Naruto has an instant advantage over raikage with a massive wind jutsu that is strong against lightning.

I think Raikage is just awesome, It makes me want to see the other Kage's fight, especially Gaara.

[Jadedmariner]

But seriously
Tsunade = strong + medical
Raikage = strong + lightning armor + insanely fast + massive chakra+immune to genjutsu+faster than sharingun+punches through Susano
[/B]

We've never actually seen Tsunade in a legitimate fight. Orochimaru and Kabuto avoided that by using her fear of blood to put her at an enormous disadvantage. Pain wasted every last bit of Tsunade's chakra in saving the people of Konoha from his Ultra Mega Shinra Tensei.

Sandaime fought against both the Shodaime and Nidaime at the same fricking time and damn near forced Orochimaru into a stale mate. All of this while fighting well past his prime.

Gaara lost in a similar fashion to Tsunade. He sacrificed himself in order to save his village. Raikage is not being put in a similar position. What would he do if Sasuke was aiming that Amaterasu at Kumo?

[Xiraiya]

I just think it's a good reality check, these teenagers taking over the world so soon would seem a little silly.

[Jadedmariner]

3rd was weak because of the age, also they are inside a barrier made by oro's ninja; Gaara sacrifice himself for the village. Sarutobi was considered the most powerful kage of his age, that's includes raikage

for me, you underestimated the kages, no offense

Dunno we can necessarily confirm that. It seems more likely Raikage is from Jiraiya's generation.

[3c]

Raikage has me thinking he could take down half of Akatsuki by himself, and thats just not consistent.


Agree. Raikage would be fine with good speed instead of the insane speed he's showing. His speed combined with his strength make the characters that doesn't have the durability skills to survive his hits extremely vulernable against him.

I still believe Kishi could have nerfed the Raikage sligthly without making Sasuke's loss unbelievable. Bee was also insanely strong, but I can imagine Akatsuki members like Kisame putting up a good fight in a 1 on 1 fight against him. While against the Raikage I have trouble seeing that possibility. He's just that strong. Gaara was a OK Kage to me. Very powerful, but could still be defeated by the right jutsu and skill. Deidara took him on alone. And even though Gaara was at a slight disatvantage because of Deidara targeting his village, Deidara was too because of his lack of preparation. They still put up a great fight, which is IMO the skill level Akatsuki should be on.

[TheLoneWarrior222]

Dunno we can necessarily confirm that. It seems more likely Raikage is from Jiraiya's generation.

I agree. Maybe Minato's. Though Raikage does have some age to him.

[devilitachi]

Since when does beating Sasuke make you able to take down half of akatsuki? I want an answer to my question!

[eternalshiva]

After his battle against Itachi, Sasuke didn't use a single time snake jutsu, seriously I thought that he has signed a contract with snakes, not that Orochimaru was the only one to be able to use this. Is it just a coincidence or he really can't summon snakes ?

He got the boss of snakes killed while escaping from Deidra's suicide bomb and Itachi pulled Oro out of Sasuke's control. He only had snake control because he had Oro in a genjutsu inside his mind.

He lost all his super hax powers after Itachi got rid of the curse seal and Oro's control. He even says in one panel "I'm healing faster because of Orochimaru" before he meets Itachi.

It's like you guys forget super important scenes. Anyways I'm off topic.

Sasuke's getting a lesson on his averageability. Raikage is Raikage for a reason. I always expect the top nin of the village to be retarded strong or I would be severely disapointed that only Konoha produced haxed ninjas.

Come on, don't be mad that Sasuke's getting a lesson in humility. Rejoice! At least now we'll see other panels then Sasuke going "KILL! REVENGE! KILL!"

Now he'll be going "MUST GET STRONGER! KILL! REVENGE!", I'm looking forward to -not- skipping the chapters he's in.

[3c]

Since when does beating Sasuke make you able to take down half of akatsuki? I want an answer to my question!

It's simply a measuring of Raikage's ability. With his strength, speed, chakra and jutsu he's more than capable of taking on several members of Akatsuki. It's not because he's beating up Sasuke, but because we're measuring how powerful he is.

[toyin]

A simple wind jutsu can defeat Raikage, why are we taking him to be too strong. Itachi can put up a good fight with the raikage, Pain will crush him so badly. Sasuke is just using jutsu's without understanding his opponent, besides the raikage has intel on sasuke abilites we can see how drew back when sasuke went Ms

[Beldin]

well, and the problem is? obviously the kage can take out most of the akatsuki members

they are the kage, the most powerful ninja of the most powerful country

A simple wind jutsu can defeat Raikage, why are we taking him to be too strong.
that's false. all depends of the level of the jutsu. if the raiton armor is S-rank, the wind jutsu must be at least A-rank, or more

also, if raikge has the same phisics durability than his brother, even a powerful jutsu isn't a big deal. killerbee take a chidori in the chest with no chakra cloak without a scratch

and says: "a simple X jutsu can take out a kage" is a nonsense, no offense

they are kage for some reason.

[Krik]

Raikage doesn't match preconveived notions of the power of a kage. He is so strong he could have dealt with half of Akatsuki alone.


[/B]

That's not true at all.

No one has mentioned him but I do hope to see a page of Danzo at the end of the chapter. I don't believe hes done just yet.

[3c]

A simple wind jutsu can defeat Raikage, why are we taking him to be too strong. Itachi can put up a good fight with the raikage, Pain will crush him so badly. Sasuke is just using jutsu's without understanding opponent, besides the raikage has intel on sasuke abilites we can see hw drew back when sauke went Ms

Wow talk about underestimating Raikage. I'd like to see a wind jutsu hit Raikage. He probably wouldn't have big problems with dodging FRS, and that's a very fast projectile jutsu. Amaterasu is a very fast technique, still he's able to outrun it. Even if Raikage got hit by a "simple" wind jutsu, it wouldn't be enough. It's not farfetched to guess that it would have to be a very powerful jutsu to defeat him.

I agree on the rest though. Pain would devestate him, and Itachi would have put up a much better fight than Sasuke is.

[Shaunlim]

It's simply a measuring of Raikage's ability. With his strength, speed, chakra and jutsu he's more than capable of taking on several members of Akatsuki. It's not because he's beating up Sasuke, but because we're measuring how powerful he is.

Exactly who would those Akatsuki members be? Let's not forget that most of them has unique abilities which in turn would put Raikage at the disadvantage as well. Taking on more than a single Akat member is not as easy as it seems to some.

[David Gill]

The only reason Sasuke's getting beaten so easily/badly is because he's being impulsive without thinking of the consequences. Sure you have the MS, the Amaterasu, the Susanoo, just like whne he fought Itachi " the guy with the stone is tronger than the guy with the kunai if he knows masters his weapon well". Basically Sasuke's using all these magekyou Sharingan tech's without a plan. His arrogance is costing him, and will hopefully make him crippled.

[toyin]

well, and the problem is? obviously the kage can take out most of the akatsuki members

they are the kage, the most powerful ninja of the most powerful country

that's false. all depends of the level of the jutsu. if the raiton armor is S-rank, the wind jutsu must be at least A-rank, or more
and says: "a simple X jutsu can take out a kage" is a nonsense, no offense



I might have used the word simple because of the way people are taking the raikage power to be too strong. A good wind technique, even Asuma chakra absorbing knife can do some damage to the Raikage. Sasuke is attacking lighting with lighting how dumb can he get!!

[DEATHBOTT]

next chapter i reckon tobi is gonna pop up blocking the raikage kick with one arm then precede to speed blitz him astonishing everyone there. that would be sweet.

[samsiufan]

Agree. Raikage would be fine with good speed instead of the insane speed he's showing. His speed combined with his strength make the characters that doesn't have the durability skills to survive his hits extremely vulernable against him.

I still believe Kishi could have nerfed the Raikage sligthly without making Sasuke's loss unbelievable. Bee was also insanely strong, but I can imagine Akatsuki members like Kisame putting up a good fight in a 1 on 1 fight against him. While against the Raikage I have trouble seeing that possibility. He's just that strong. Gaara was a OK Kage to me. Very powerful, but could still be defeated by the right jutsu and skill. Deidara took him on alone. And even though Gaara was at a slight disatvantage because of Deidara targeting his village, Deidara was too because of his lack of preparation. They still put up a great fight, which is IMO the skill level Akatsuki should be on.

Fair point but I don't think the raikage is insanely strong...we are talking about Sasuke here who arguably reached Kage level in almost no time...But even within the Kage Level, there are levels...and the raikage seems to be close to the pinacle of that....

I think Bee is only extremely strong because of the Bijuu...if not I don't think he will be as strong as the Raikage.

When all is said and done, we are talking about Sasuke...and it is not over yet!

[Tias]

Ok, i'm not sure if i'm just the one who cant see so good here, but isthe raikage just puncing/attacking Sasuke EVEN with the amaterasu armor he has up? o.O
Isn't he supposedto be burning up when he comes in contact with it? <_<

And Sasuke controling the flames, not abig surprise imo, sasuke has used the Chidori/lightning for so long, lets not forget he's alsoa fire user, and i'm sure he might be able to come up with more variants for Amaterasu, like, a black flame (chidori style? xD) around his hand? :P

[Beldin]

it's only me or it seems that the initial chidori doing nothing to raikage? he has no wound after that

Ok, i'm not sure if i'm just the one who cant see so good here, but isthe raikage just puncing/attacking Sasuke EVEN with the amaterasu armor he has up? o.O
Isn't he supposedto be burning up when he comes in contact with it? <_<
well, you have a jutsu that burn everything in contact, and you have a jutsu (raiton armor) that cover the user with lightning that can protect him from damage: which wins?

[jdw]

it's only me or it seems that the initial chidori doing nothing to raikage? he has no wound after that

well, you have a jutsu that burn everything in contact, and you have a jutsu (raiton armor) that cover the user with lightning that can protect him from damage: which wins?

There is a reason raikage didn't let amaterasu land on him, IMO.

[gold349]

Ok, i'm not sure if i'm just the one who cant see so good here, but isthe raikage just puncing/attacking Sasuke EVEN with the amaterasu armor he has up? o.O
Isn't he supposedto be burning up when he comes in contact with it? <_<

And Sasuke controling the flames, not abig surprise imo, sasuke has used the Chidori/lightning for so long, lets not forget he's alsoa fire user, and i'm sure he might be able to come up with more variants for Amaterasu, like, a black flame (chidori style? xD) around his hand? :P

Raikage upped his chakra levels to what karin said to be bijuu level I would think that he is routing that to his raiton shroud? plus we saw that the cuffs on his hands are not just for decoration they may have something also to do with why he is able to land a hit on Sasuke with his amatersu armour.

[soDeq05]

Spanish Translation

Spanish Translation

Sasuke vs Raikage.

Sasuke esquiva el ataque del raikage, ataca con su chidori pero no logra hacerle mucho daño ya que le da sobre el cinturon, el raikage piensa que es muy fuerte y probablemente esa técnica se la enseño Kakashi. Por lo que parece el Raikage toma a sasuke y grita “Este es tu final!! Lo golpea contra el suelo con la técnica llamada Raiga Bomb! y provoca una explosión, la técnica es similar a la de lucha libre (en el manga ocupa 2 paginas esa golpe), pero Sasuke es salvado por un Susano incompleto.
Karin comenta que el chakra de Sasuke parece el de los biju.
A Sasuke le comienzan a sangrar los ojos… Activa el Amaterasu el raikage se da cuenta de eso y da pasos hacia atras
Cambiar escenas a Naruto. Madara le dice a Naruto es inútil tratar de convencer a Sasuke como lo hizo Nagato y debe olvidarse de él. Kakashi pregunta cuál es el propósito de reunir las bestias este responde que tiene que ver con la venganza de los Uchiha. Madara dice que es simple es para buscar la perfeccion (o el buscar el cuerpo perfecto… realmente no está seguro) Luego dice que fue divertido hablar con ellos y desparece con su jutsu de espacio tiempo.
Volvemos con sasuke
El fuego del Amaterasu ataca al Raikage pero no puede darle debido a su técnica shunshin que se basa en la velocidad. Sasuke forma una barrera con los huesos incompletos de Susano, pero no puede atacar dentro del Amaterasu. De alguna manera el raikage atraviesa con un golpe la barrera y Sasuke es derribado y Termina con el Raikage saltando encima de el y gritando que es su final. Parece que el titulo para la semana que viene es la caída de guillotina.

[Beldin]

There is a reason raikage didn't let amaterasu land on him, IMO.
well it's normal to avoid a direct hit, but raikage has no problems to hit sasuke covered by amaterasu and susanoo

if he fears amaterasu, why he land an hit?

[kheopz]

Based on the pic, C was able to carry Darui. Does that mean that C beat the crap out of Suigestsu? I mean would sugestsu be around to save Sasuke again?

[toyin]

I think it was Dariu carrying C, besides Sasuke got his ass toasted..hehehe

[3c]

Based on the pic, C was able to carry Darui. Does that mean that C beat the crap out of Suigestsu? I mean would sugestsu be around to save Sasuke again?

I didn't think about that. It must at least mean that Suigetsu no longer poses a threat to them. I hope he didn't get beat up off screen though, I'd like to see him in a somewhat serious fight. But since Suigetsu's name isn't even mentioned once in the scripts that are posted, I'll assume he got his ass kicked off screen.

[gold349]

Based on the pic, C was able to carry Darui. Does that mean that C beat the crap out of Suigestsu? I mean would sugestsu be around to save Sasuke again?

it should be the other way round Darui carrying shi..shi was the one who fell for Sasuke gen.

[jdw]

well it's normal to avoid a direct hit, but raikage has no problems to hit sasuke covered by amaterasu and susanoo

if he fears amaterasu, why he land an hit?

He could have prepped for an attack after avoiding it and landing his hit. I didn't say he feared it, only that he chose not to let it land for a reason. Upping his chakra could have been the reason, etc.

[Xiraiya]

Either way, it's safe to assume Sasuke is the only one left of his platoon who is remotely combat ready at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Madara saved Sasuke now, it seems as if he expected this would happen and doesn't overly care if Sasuke loses, at the same time I think he has enough faith in Sasuke to know he won't actually die.

To me, most likely Scenario is Sasuke "barely" manages to retreat, though I feel like he may end up on his own with his team left behind or most of them anyway.
Sasuke will feel humiliated and want revenge disguised as rescuing his team after he finally takes Itachi's eyes.

[jdw]

His faith in Sasuke might have been affected by Sasuke bringing home a useless tentacle instead of a real jinchuuriki.

[pranabowjake]

i never noticed this until know and i'm sure i'm late, but in addition to the hogan hair styles he also has a championship belt around his waist. maybe anyone can challenge him to a steel cage match to take the title from him and become the new raikage.

[gold349]

Madara interfering could be possiblty...Madara comes in saves Sasuke at the same time putting Raikage out of action defeating/killing him, that would make Madara day...it would be seen as Sasuke and comrades taking out Raikage which would put cloud village on war footing, any who come in their way would be seen as sympathizers with Sasuke and as equal enemies.

[Xiraiya]

His faith in Sasuke might have been affected by Sasuke bringing home a useless tentacle instead of a real jinchuuriki.

I don't get that at all, It wasn't like Sasuke bought back a Tentacle, he still bought back Killerbee, he was just a tad unhurt which made his escape easy.

[jdw]

Madara interfering could be possiblty...Madara comes in saves Sasuke at the same time putting Raikage out of action defeating/killing him, that would make Madara day...it would be seen as Sasuke and comrades taking out Raikage which would put cloud village on war footing, any who come in their way would be seen as sympathizers with Sasuke and as equal enemies.

IMO, Madara saving sasuke should come with a price: the rest of Taka gets left behind. If Madara saves the whole platoon I am calling shenanigans.

[Belisar]

next chapter i reckon tobi is gonna pop up blocking the raikage kick with one arm then precede to speed blitz him astonishing everyone there. that would be sweet.
would be not. there is no way madara can block such a kick with one hand. no one can do that. not even pain. if madara were that strong, then he would be like god and don't needed the bijuu.

[TheLoneWarrior222]

I don't get that at all, It wasn't like Sasuke bought back a Tentacle, he still bought back Killerbee, he was just a tad unhurt which made his escape easy.


Could sworn he brought back a tentacle. Killer Bee was hanging out underwater.

[jdw]

I don't get that at all, It wasn't like Sasuke bought back a Tentacle, he still bought back Killerbee, he was just a tad unhurt which made his escape easy.

Bee was never there. He was never in Akatsuki's hideout. He was in Cloud the whole time, just in the water in a tentacle kawarimi. Sasuke brought back a tentacle and Madara said to Sasuke that Sasuke was tricked. It has already been decided.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/06/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/419/13/

[NaruHina-X]

IMO, Madara saving sasuke should come with a price: the rest of Taka gets left behind. If Madara saves the whole platoon I am calling shenanigans.

Everyone predicted Madara would rescue Sasuke from Killer Bee but it didn't happen. Madara is a gambler!

[3c]

Either way, it's safe to assume Sasuke is the only one left of his platoon who is remotely combat ready at the moment.

I'd be surprised if Madara saved Sasuke now, it seems as if he expected this would happen and doesn't overly care if Sasuke loses, at the same time I think he has enough faith in Sasuke to know he won't actually die.

To me, most likely Scenario is Sasuke "barely" manages to retreat, though I feel like he may end up on his own with his team left behind or most of them anyway.
Sasuke will feel humiliated and want revenge disguised as rescuing his team after he finally takes Itachi's eyes.

Though how he's going to manage to escape is a whole other question. It would suck beyond imagining if he managed to somehow knock out Raikage when the Raikage is running him over at the extent he is at the moment.

I really don't want to see Raikage be bested. Raikage is after all synonymous with badass. But we all know that Sasuke won't die here, and at this rate it doesn't seem like Raikage is going to let Sasuke go alive.

[jdw]

Everyone predicted Madara would rescue Sasuke from Killer Bee but it didn't happen. Madara is a gambler!

Clearly the fight isn't over yet, saving could happen at any time, what better time than when he faces the most danger?

[laughing@you]

I say sasuke is getting the whooping he deserves. I'm gonna be extremely disapointed if kairin manages to get to sasuke and heals him.

I wonder how will sage-mode match up against the raikages almost yellow flash quickness?


Totally didn't expect the raikage to go MMA on sasuke. This manga is awesome.

[chess4]

could sasanoo be a 10th unknown bijuu?

[jdw]

could sasanoo be a 10th unknown bijuu?

It didn't appear to have a tail, so it would be the no-tails beast? lol. Nah, databook has it listed as its own thing. And none of it really comes off as a bijuu. It is available to any Uchiha who has mangekyou who opens amaterasu and tsukiyomi. So if two Uchiha were to meet the requirment, both would possess the bijuu, if that were the case, then 3, then 4, and so on.


NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI: Susanoo (Mysterious, All-Encompassing Assistance Ability*)
User: Uchiha Itachi
Offensive; Defensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none

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There are two doujutsu the use of which is allowed exclusively to those who have awakened to the clairvoyant eyes of Heaven, the Mangekyou Sharingan: Amaterasu, which speaks of Light and the material world, and Tsukuyomi, symbolizing the spiritual world and Darkness**. Only in them who hold both of those, dwells the power of the wild, rampaging god... Susanoo. The materialized chakra shapes itself after the wargod's commanding face and powerful physique, and the fierce spirit won't subside until the destruction of all the enemies in its line of sight...!!

There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

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-In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

-Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

-In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

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-Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

-The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

-The Sword of Totsuka
One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

-The Mirror of Yata
The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.

[Darth Executor]

Heh. Sasuke doesn't even have a spec of dirt on him after Raikage slams him. I was 100% correct in my susanoo analysis. On your knees before me, unbelievers.

[kheopz]

it should be the other way round Darui carrying shi..shi was the one who fell for Sasuke gen.

Either way, Suigestsu got beat off screen which is my point. I just mixed the names that's all but the Black dude was the one who fought with Suigestsu and the other was caught in Sasuke's Genjutsu. Either way, where Suigestsu right now that Sasuke is again in a pickle?

[Beldin]

Heh. Sasuke doesn't even have a spec of dirt on him after Raikage slams him. I was 100% correct in my susanoo analysis On your knees before me, unbelievers.
yes, expecially when raikage destroy susanoo covered by amaterasu and hit sasuke in the face.....

[Xiraiya]

Heh. Sasuke doesn't even have a spec of dirt on him after Raikage slams him. I was 100% correct in my susanoo analysis On your knees before me, unbelievers.

Remind me again exactly what you were going on about in the first place?

[Darth Executor]

yes, expecially when raikage destroy susanoo covered by amaterasu and hit sasuke in the face.....

Susanoo covered by amaterasu is still there...

He just knocked Sasuke down. Like he did with the drop. Big whoop.

[The Closet Pervert]

So after seeing what Raikage can do, Akatsuki suddenly seems weak?

Why the frack did you think they were collecting the bijuus instead of conquering the world with their skills alone?

Maybe this chapter will tell you why.

[Darth Executor]

Remind me again exactly what you were going on about in the first place?

That Susanoo makes the user invincible or near invincible and thus raikage's hits were pretty much useless. Raikage's drop didn't even dirty Sasuke's clothing.

[Beldin]

That Susanoo makes the user invincible or near invincible and thus raikage's hits were pretty much useless. Raikage's drop didn't even dirty Sasuke's clothing.
raikage hit in the face isn't useless

he bypass susanoo. itachi can't be hit, becasue susanoo stops sasuke attack. sasuke's susanoo can't stop raikage punch. raikage doesn't hit susano and blows susanoo and sasuke away, he hits sasuke directly

[warbandit66]

Sasuke is losing, he may have been the only one to cause damage (minimal) but he's being dominated, his hand is being forced and he has very little left to play with, summoning Susanoo right after using Amerterasu will end up causing him more harm than good in this fight.

[The Closet Pervert]

That Susanoo makes the user invincible or near invincible and thus raikage's hits were pretty much useless. Raikage's drop didn't even dirty Sasuke's clothing.

Think of Susanoo as an unbreakable suit of armor. Nothing will get trough the suit and reach your skin.

Yet with that suit you wouldn't survive a 10km freefall, because the armor doesn't prevent you from moving. Forces associated with moving will hurt you because they will reach the human body no matter where you are.

Susanoo does not make user invincible.

[The Closet Pervert]

Susanoo stopped kirin with no bones around? Are you fanboys so far gone that you think a raikage punch is stronger than kirin now? heh...

Susanoo used by Itachi was complete. Sasuke's Susanoo is not complete. Not complete susanoo means it's not perfect.

[jdw]

Susanoo used by Itachi was complete. Sasuke's Susanoo is not complete. Not complete susanoo means it's not perfect.

Also with respect to completeness, the databook states that the perfect defense is provided by Yata's mirror, not by plain Susanoo. I did not see Sasuke's Susanoo weilding Yata's mirror.

[Gats]

He got the boss of snakes killed while escaping from Deidra's suicide bomb and Itachi pulled Oro out of Sasuke's control. He only had snake control because he had Oro in a genjutsu inside his mind.

He lost all his super hax powers after Itachi got rid of the curse seal and Oro's control. He even says in one panel "I'm healing faster because of Orochimaru" before he meets Itachi.

It's like you guys forget super important scenes. Anyways I'm off topic.



I didn't forget these scenes that's why I was talking ONLY about snake summons. Not Orochimaru healing or what else. We are not even sure that the death of the so called "boss" of snakes (truly, we don't know if it's true even if Manda seems to be the more powerful) has a consequence on the contract, snakes didn't see him dying this way and you summon an animal to fight, if it died so be it.
It's just a bit strange that Sasuke wouldn't made a contract since he has the summon tatoo on his left arm.

AND Suigetsu made the summon once with Sasuke's blood, so normally it has nothing to do with Orochimaru in Sasuke.

[TheLoneWarrior222]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn177/Aintnoprophet610/10l35l9b256n.jpg

Sasuke face looks like it's got some dirt, blood or scratches on it. The chop obviously got through. There is some blatant impact going on there.

[Nagaki]

:blink Um, like why does everyone keep thinking the person who provoked ALL OF THIS will now going to suddenly show up to save Sasuke?!

Remember "BEGIN!" (?:huh?) - unless Madara has something to gain He does things only for himself, he started this for a reason, He therefore will play it out...

IAnd don't see Sasuke being owned just yet - yes, He is being tossed around like a rag doll but at the same time considering the manitude of the Raikage's power and attacks I'm actually impressed He is still standing, let alone Has the Raikage about to go all it appears very soon.

I think either Sasuke will find a way to prevail here forcing the Raikage to withdraw OR this fight will end IF the Raikage is about to do a <Freeza-to-the-face-of-Vegita-blow> and discovers at that moment KB is alive and being hunted by Kasime somehow... I just don't see either of them killed by this though, especially Sasuke, that we all know.

[gold349]

Either way, Suigestsu got beat off screen which is my point. I just mixed the names that's all but the Black dude was the one who fought with Suigestsu and the other was caught in Sasuke's Genjutsu. Either way, where Suigestsu right now that Sasuke is again in a pickle?

we don't know that...suigetsu, like Drui is helping out shi could be attanding to Juugo.


Susanoo used by Itachi was complete. Sasuke's Susanoo is not complete. Not complete susanoo means it's not perfect.

Itachi sasoono came together slowly too, Sasuke could be in the initial stages aswell.

[jdw]

:blink Um, like why does everyone keep thinking the person who provoked ALL OF THIS will now going to suddenly show up to save Sasuke?!

Remember "BEGIN!" (?:huh?) - unless Madara has something to gain He does things only for himself, he started this for a reason, He therefore will play it out...

I don't see Sasuke being owned just yet - yes, He is being tossed around like a rag doll but at the same time considering the manitude of the Raikage's power and attacks I'm actually impressed He is still standing let alone Has the Raikage about to go all it appears very soon.

I think either Sasuke will find a way to prevail here forcing te Raikage to withdraw OR this fight will end IF the Raikage is about to do a <Freeza-to-the-face-of-Vegita-blow> and discovers at that moment KB is alive and being hunted by Kasime somehow...

Madara could be forcing Sasuke to seek the power of Itachi's eyes, or to show him just how weak he is and why he should follow Madara. He has plans for Sasuke and will do things that allow him to bring those plans about and control Sasuke.

[warbandit66]

I'm surprised that Sasuke didn't come up with a similar raiton supercharging technique like the Raikage's

[jdw]

I'm surprised that Sasuke didn't come up with a similar raiton supercharging technique like the Raikage's

He may not be capable of creating/sustaining that jutsu. If he is capable, maybe he can copy it and go from there now that he has seen it.

As an aside, he probably wishes he escaped Deidara's blast without killing Manda because he could use a Snake right now to slide around and die :)

[gold349]

:blink Um, like why does everyone keep thinking the person who provoked ALL OF THIS will now going to suddenly show up to save Sasuke?!

Remember "BEGIN!" (?:huh?) - unless Madara has something to gain He does things only for himself, he started this for a reason, He therefore will play it out...

IAnd don't see Sasuke being owned just yet - yes, He is being tossed around like a rag doll but at the same time considering the manitude of the Raikage's power and attacks I'm actually impressed He is still standing, let alone Has the Raikage about to go all it appears very soon.

I think either Sasuke will find a way to prevail here forcing te Raikage to withdraw OR this fight will end IF the Raikage is about to do a <Freeza-to-the-face-of-Vegita-blow> and discovers at that moment KB is alive and being hunted by Kasime somehow...

I could think of a couple of reasons, 1) the lesson he wanted to teach Sasuke may have been taught by now, have his ass handed to him, show him he still lacks power and now be willing to take Itachi's eyes or the other option of sync with gedo mazo. 2) Madara kills Raikage and he will be thought to be sasuke comrade, Sasuke comrade killing Raikage, makes the cloud village ready for war making it so so difficult for Naruto to take Sasuke side otherwise he will just be bringing war to konoha, no?.

[Nagaki]

Madara could be forcing Sasuke to seek the power of Itachi's eyes, or to show him just how weak he is and why he should follow Madara. He has plans for Sasuke and will do things that allow him to bring those plans about and control Sasuke.

Logical thinking, and Madara clearly doesn't want Naruto near Sasuke so He has intrest in him that's clear too, but Sasuke knew He was betrayed by Madara when this started - If He doesn't manage to get the revenge He will claim He was so close to getting, the Boy will be pissed to say the least...not good for Madara even...
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I could think of a couple of reasons, 1) the lesson he wanted to teach Sasuke may have been taught by now, have his ass handed to him, show him he still lacks power and now be willing to take Itachi's eyes or the other option of sync with gedo mazo. 2) Madara kills Raikage and he will be thought to be sasuke comrade, Sasuke comrade killing Raikage, makes the cloud village ready for war making it so so difficult for Naruto to take Sasuke side otherwise he will just be bringing war to konoha, no?.

Madara is the great munipulater here, I guess all is possible...

[gold349]

Logical thinking, and Madara clearly doesn't want Naruto near Sasuke so He has intrest in him that's clear too, but Sasuke knew He was betrayed by Madara when this started - If He doesn't manage to get the revenge He will claim He was so close to getting, the Boy will be pissed to say the least...not good for Madara even...
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Madara is the great munipulater here, I guess all is possible...

I'd agree that things might get a little tense between Madara and Sasuke but even if he thinks Madara sold him out and is pissed at both him and zetsu...when he is being offered more power which he needs clearly then zetsu actions or what he thinks at moment off Madara may just get over looked this time.

[Jadedmariner]

He may not be capable of creating/sustaining that jutsu. If he is capable, maybe he can copy it and go from there now that he has seen it.

As an aside, he probably wishes he escaped Deidara's blast without killing Manda because he could use a Snake right now to slide around and die :)

Yeah I really think the issue is that he wouldn't have the chakra reserves to sustain the jutsu. Judging by the comment of Karin the Raikage has chakra reserves that are up there with Naruto and Kisame. Sasuke has solid stamina, but it isn't even approaching those levels.

[CBlitz]

I still don't understand how Sasuke managed to become so proficient with amaterasu, the first time he used it, he was having a hard time stopping it, now apparently he's better than Itachi? How could he practice with it, it freaking ruins your eyesight!!!

[Smokes]

Makes me wonder what will happen when Madara shows his face, prolly next chapter :D
If Sasuke lost his cool after Madara put him in that predicment, things should get interesting when Madara goes to the summit.
First the old guy sends sasuke on danzou's trail with a sob story, then he rats him out. Enough to shake anyone.

I'm somewhat annoyed that kishi is destroying everything that is MS in one chapter.... He could divide the work at least, make his ex-favorite character look decent.


And another thing, I agree with whoever said "if raikage was so strong, how come he didn't fight akatsuki before?"

It's clear he can outdo Deidara, hidan, maybe kakuzo etc...Since he is near damn impossible to catch, and he has chakra comparable to bijuu.


I really don't think you have to worry about ms. It won't be too long until Sasuke is doing all sorts of new stuff. I think Kishi is just laying the groundwork to justify why the guy is going to get even more powers. Heck, it still could happen in this fight. He's already doing stuff that Itachi couldn't or didn't do.
Don't worry, Kishi still loves Sasuke more than anybody in the whole wide world.

[Darth Executor]

Think of Susanoo as an unbreakable suit of armor. Nothing will get trough the suit and reach your skin.

Yet with that suit you wouldn't survive a 10km freefall, because the armor doesn't prevent you from moving. Forces associated with moving will hurt you because they will reach the human body no matter where you are.

Susanoo does not make user invincible.

Hitting the earth and hitting raikage's fist is similar. Susanoo didn't prevent raikage from slamming sasuke into the ground and yet he came out of it without as much as a spec of dust. Why would a punch suddenly hurt him? Are raikage's punches stronger than him grabbing an opponent and slamming him head first into the ground? It just makes no sense.
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http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn177/Aintnoprophet610/10l35l9b256n.jpg

Sasuke face looks like it's got some dirt, blood or scratches on it. The chop obviously got through. There is some blatant impact going on there.

There was blatant impact before and it did nothing. Again, do you people think raikage's punches are better than kirin or his own slam?

If it was a direct punch (nay, a left handed punch even!) Sasuke should be dead. We've all seen what his punches did to juugo. No normal person could survive that.

As for the blood, spoiler says he used amaterasu so it's probably from that.

[Gats]

Hitting the earth and hitting raikage's fist is similar. Susanoo didn't prevent raikage from slamming sasuke into the ground and yet he came out of it without as much as a spec of dust. Why would a punch suddenly hurt him? Are raikage's punches stronger than him grabbing an opponent and slamming him head first into the ground? It just makes no sense.

Well because Raikage just powered up again after seeing Sasuke's eyes going MS ?

Or because Raikage was able to counter Sasuke with his own black flames when you see the pictures ?

[jodi]

Question:

Whats the difference between Chidori and Raikage's Raiton techniques?

[The Closet Pervert]

yet he came out of it without as much as a spec of dust

Because like I said, nothing can come from outside to inside but the force of slamming into ground can cause internal injuries, because YOU are also slamming against an armor.

Have you ever been on a chair that which's legs break under you? Or bed or any similiar platform? The flat chairpiece you are sitting on is still intact but still it hurts when you hit the ground.

[Darth Executor]

Susanoo used by Itachi was complete. Sasuke's Susanoo is not complete. Not complete susanoo means it's not perfect.

Itachi's susanoo was not complete when he stopped kirin, it was just getting started.

[The Closet Pervert]

Question:

Whats the difference between Chidori and Raikage's Raiton techniques?

Sasuke focused all that lightning into one single point, Raikage spread it out to cover his whole body?

So if both had same amount of chakra Raikage's version would be weaker when compared to Chidori, when chidori hits. But their chakras are not equal.
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Itachi's susanoo was not complete when he stopped kirin, it was just getting started.

My point was really that Itachis and Sasukes Susanoos are not equal, so their effect is not equal either.

[Darth Executor]

Because like I said, nothing can come from outside to inside but the force of slamming into ground can cause internal injuries, because YOU are also slamming against an armor.

Have you ever been on a chair that which's legs break under you? Or bed or any similiar platform? The flat chairpiece you are sitting on is still intact but still it hurts when you hit the ground.

How come the force of slamming sasuke into the ground didn't cause any injuries? What you people are saying is the exact opposite. A fall didn't hurt sasuke but his punch suddenly did.

And btw, all hits can cause internal injuries in the exact same way. Some anti-tank projectiles are built to send shockwaves inside the tank and kill the people inside even if it can't pierce the armor. This is applicable to ALL hits. It doesn't matter if they're from gravity or raikage's punch. physically, there is no difference between you falling and hitting an object and an object flying and hitting you.

[Mythsoul]

I'm surprised that Sasuke didn't come up with a similar raiton supercharging technique like the Raikage's
it's simple.....Sasuke does not have the amount of chakra to do such jutsu.... in the other hand....Naruto could use a jutsu like that to enhance his Sennin mode......to make him more of a badass.......

[Gats]

There was blatant impact before and it did nothing. Again, do you people think raikage's punches are better than kirin or his own slam?

Because Raikage powered up after seeing that his previous slam does nothing.


If it was a direct punch (nay, a left handed punch even!) Sasuke should be dead. We've all seen what his punches did to juugo. No normal person could survive that.

As for the blood, spoiler says he used amaterasu so it's probably from that.

Darui just said to Raikage to use his left arm so it means that it is something really powerful. And for Juugo it wasn't really a punch and it was not the uber left arm and Raikage didn't step at "SUPER SAYAN 2".

[jdw]

Hitting the earth and hitting raikage's fist is similar. Susanoo didn't prevent raikage from slamming sasuke into the ground and yet he came out of it without as much as a spec of dust. Why would a punch suddenly hurt him? Are raikage's punches stronger than him grabbing an opponent and slamming him head first into the ground? It just makes no sense.
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There was blatant impact before and it did nothing. Again, do you people think raikage's punches are better than kirin or his own slam?

If it was a direct punch (nay, a left handed punch even!) Sasuke should be dead. We've all seen what his punches did to juugo. No normal person could survive that.

As for the blood, spoiler says he used amaterasu so it's probably from that.

IMO, it is unclear if Sasuke actually takes any damage. He may emerge from Susanoo unscathed or he could be wounded from indirect impact. I am of the opinion that an incomplete Susanoo without Yata's mirror may leave a user vulnerable to attack, because it seems it is not invincible without it. You are of the opinion that an incomplete susanoo, even without Yata's mirror, provides adequate protection from attacks of Raikage's level. The chapter will decide the issue when it comes out.

[The Closet Pervert]

How come the force of slamming sasuke into the ground didn't cause any injuries?

And how do we know that?

The picture with Raikage hitting Sasuke is too unclear and in the last picture we don't see Sasuke's face.

[jodi]

And how do we know that?

The picture with Raikage hitting Sasuke is too unclear and in the last picture we don't see Sasuke's face.


he used Susanoo to defend himself against that

[Hrathgrath]

[QUOTE=Darth Executor;1558807]Hitting the earth and hitting raikage's fist is similar. Susanoo didn't prevent raikage from slamming sasuke into the ground and yet he came out of it without as much as a spec of dust. Why would a punch suddenly hurt him? Are raikage's punches stronger than him grabbing an opponent and slamming him head first into the ground? It just makes no sense.
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There was blatant impact before and it did nothing. Again, do you people think raikage's punches are better than kirin or his own slam?

If it was a direct punch (nay, a left handed punch even!) Sasuke should be dead. We've all seen what his punches did to juugo. No normal person could survive that.

As for the blood, spoiler says he used amaterasu so it's probably from that.[/QUOTE/]

Two things. Why not copy his jutsu, not only would that be sick and freak out raikage seriously, Maybe thats what this whole thing with amaterasu is. And he just hit amaterasu directly. Meaning his arm is about to burn... and spread.

[The Closet Pervert]

he used Susanoo to defend himself against that

That's like saying someone wasn't injured based on the fact that they were wearing a bullet-proof vest. <--This judgement was made before seeing the actual person.

Then we remember that some guns have armor piercing bullets.

[Darth Executor]

My point was really that Itachis and Sasukes Susanoos are not equal,


Show me where it says that.


so their effect is not equal either.

Since sasuke survived raikage's slam practically untouched, you're wrong. The effect is pretty much the same.
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And how do we know that?

The picture with Raikage hitting Sasuke is too unclear and in the last picture we don't see Sasuke's face.

I'm talking about him doing the lee lotus ripoff, not the final punch. We see sasuke after that with susanoo around him and completely untouched.

[jdw]

How come the force of slamming sasuke into the ground didn't cause any injuries? What you people are saying is the exact opposite. A fall didn't hurt sasuke but his punch suddenly did.

And btw, all hits can cause internal injuries in the exact same way. Some anti-tank projectiles are built to send shockwaves inside the tank and kill the people inside even if it can't pierce the armor. This is applicable to ALL hits. It doesn't matter if they're from gravity or raikage's punch. physically, there is no difference between you falling and hitting an object and an object flying and hitting you.

If raikage knocked Sasuke around while he is in susanoo, and sasuke does suffer injuries from hitting the armor itself, then Raikage has delivered damage to Sasuke. If Sasuke was not hit directly and takes no damage from hitting the armor itself, Raikage's attacks have failed.

[The Closet Pervert]

Show me where it says that.

1)I don't see a soul draining sword

2)Databook says Itachi had sword + mirror to enchance susanoos effect. This far there is no evidence that Sasuke has those 2.


Since sasuke survived raikage's slam practically untouched, you're wrong. The effect is pretty much the same.

No, Sasuke was slammed into the ground (he was immobilized, even if it was temporarily), thus effect was not the same.

Unless it's all a genjutsu?

[Darth Executor]

IMO, it is unclear if Sasuke actually takes any damage. He may emerge from Susanoo unscathed or he could be wounded from indirect impact. I am of the opinion that an incomplete Susanoo without Yata's mirror may leave a user vulnerable to attack, because it seems it is not invincible without it. You are of the opinion that an incomplete susanoo, even without Yata's mirror, provides adequate protection from attacks of Raikage's level. The chapter will decide the issue when it comes out.

Well, I think it's mostly decided by the pic with susanoo around an untouched sasuke (he activates it when raikage slams him into the ground).

If raikage finds a counter to it, it won't be until next chapter.

[e-maney]

I still don't understand how Sasuke managed to become so proficient with amaterasu, the first time he used it, he was having a hard time stopping it, now apparently he's better than Itachi? How could he practice with it, it freaking ruins your eyesight!!!

that was probably a chance he was willing to take to destroy konoha

[Gats]

Since sasuke survived raikage's slam practically untouched, you're wrong. The effect is pretty much the same.

Since you think that Raikage slam is not stronger than Kirin, why do you say this ? The effect might be lowered but was able to protec since the Raikage slam was not stronger than Kirin right ?

[Darth Executor]

1)I don't see a soul draining sword

Completely irrelevant. Sasuke has the partial susanoo itachi had when he blocked kirin. The sword, bottle and mirror are not needed to be invincible.


2)Databook says Itachi had sword + mirror to enchance susanoos effect. This far there is no evidence that Sasuke has those 2.

It says it makes susanoo's offense and defense perfect. Sasuke's defense isn't perfect. He can take hits without getting hurt but has no stability. yata's mirror provides that stability and thus makes his defense perfect. None of this disproves anything I've said. Itachi was rendered invulnerable by a complete susanoo because he blocked kirin without the mirror. Likewise, sasuke blocked raikage's slam without the mirror.

[Darth Executor]

Since you think that Raikage slam is not stronger than Kirin, why do you say this ? The effect might be lowered but was able to protec since the Raikage slam was not stronger than Kirin right ?

Because the power behind kirin's above what a person can produce. Anyway, it's not crucial to my argument as sasuke blocked a badass hit from raikage without getting touched. I'm bringing up kirin to add to the already existing evidence that an incomplete susanoo renders the user more or less impervious to any harm.

[jdw]

Well, I think it's mostly decided by the pic with susanoo around an untouched sasuke (he activates it when raikage slams him into the ground).

If raikage finds a counter to it, it won't be until next chapter.

There is a chance that you are right but those pics don't even reveal the truth because they lack detail. It was like last week when you said Juugo was no longer in the wall in the raw pages at the end of the chapter when he was definitely stuck in the wall at the end of the chapter in the release :)

I didn't forget :p

[Gats]

Because the power behind kirin's above what a person can produce. Anyway, it's not crucial to my argument as sasuke blocked a badass hit from raikage without getting touched. I'm bringing up kirin to add to the already existing evidence that an incomplete susanoo renders the user more or less impervious to any harm.



The slam to the ground isn't the problem, we can easily say that Sasuke was OK after this, the main point is the left punch by Raikage 2.0.

[The Closet Pervert]

Just to make it clear, I'm arguing here that Kishi did not give Raikage "Plot No Jutsu" to penetrate the Susanoo.


Completely irrelevant.

It says it makes susanoo's offense and defense perfect. Sasuke's defense isn't perfect.

No it's not completely irrelevant. If 1 part of Susanoo was different, other parts may be too. Maybe Sasukes Susanoo shield is weaker enough to allow Raikage finish Sasuke off.

And in that bold statement you just agreed with me.

[Invincible Uchiha]

Think of Susanoo as an unbreakable suit of armor. Nothing will get trough the suit and reach your skin.

Yet with that suit you wouldn't survive a 10km freefall, because the armor doesn't prevent you from moving. Forces associated with moving will hurt you because they will reach the human body no matter where you are.

Susanoo does not make user invincible.

according to Zetsu it dam near is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/09/

[The Closet Pervert]

according to Zetsu it dam near is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/09/

We have all seen how "perfect/ultimate/absolute defences" get beaten time after time. Prime example being Lee beating Gaaras "absolute defence".

Nothing is absolute, ultimate, perfect or invincible.

[jdw]

according to Zetsu it dam near is
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/393/09/

It is not naked susanoo he is referring to. It is Susanoo + mystical items.

[kataomoi]

We have all seen how "perfect/ultimate/absolute defences" get beaten time after time. Prime example being Lee beating Gaaras "absolute defence".

Nothing is absolute, ultimate, perfect or invincible.

Yeah I agree, Susanno probably has a pretty good weakness to it.

If anything Susanno probably uses up a good amount of chakra so if Raikage can just ware sasuke out then it should be game over.

[e-maney]

QUESTION:
since raikage punched troug the armor and amaterasuhis hands caught the flames but did sasuke too?