Official Dragon Slayers Thread

[kkck]

I have been thinking about this for a while; why did the dragons teach a bunch of kids the dragon slaying magic?

On a first impression it would seem kind of dumb for a dragon to teach someone the magic that would be specifically serves the purpose of killing dragons. Another thing I find unusual is that the dragon slaying magic makes the user have the physical constitution of a dragon. Why would the very magic which is meant to kill a dragon give the user such an affinity to a dragon? IMHO none of that makes sense.

What all of this made me wonder is whether the dragons taught those kids such a magic for so that they may kill them at some point. For instance igneel taught natsu the fire dragon slaying so that natsu could kill him at some point for some reason. That would of course suggest there is a reason to eradicate the dragons.

Now, we have seen the name zereff pop out quite a few times in the manga. He has been a mayor driving force behind most if not all of the arcs in the story. The death flute at the beginning of the manga, deliora, tower of paradise. Basically grey and erza are who they are because of some direct or indirect connection to zerref.

We have also seen natsu and lucy are connected to the number 7. Lucy showed her mom died in july, the day 7 in the year 777. We know the dragons left 7 years ago. If lucy's mom died 7 years ago, it would mean it was at the same time the dragons disappeared.

Now seeing everything, it would seem it is likely zeref is linked to the number 7. If that's the case, then zeref would have some connection to basically every event which has defined the main characters and most importantly to the dragons.

Maybe with zerefs awakening it will become a necessity to kill the dragons which is why the dragons chose a bunch of kids to slay them at some point.
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Above I included what I thought were important points regarding the topic and a theory of mine. Even though I added a theory of mine, feel free to discuss things which would be out of the bounds of my theory as long as it involves anything regarding the ultimate purpose of the dragon slaying magic.

edit: A more recent find(technically not recent, I just recently noticed it lol)
I just found something else which further suggests there is a deep relationship between zerref, the dragons and the dragon slayers:
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/46/13/
Gerard has been planning something with the DS from the very beginning. I have no clue about what it could possible be though. Safest assumption would be that zerefs awakening has something to do with the DS and the dragons.

[hongoasdf]

I pretty much thought of the same.

But in my opinion, for Zeref to resurrect, the Dragons must be alive. Seeing as he is an evil mage, the Dragons saw fit to teach their adopted human sons the only magic capable of destroying them, thus preventing Zeref's resurrection.

Well, that's the most basic thing I could come up with, but Lucy's mother (And Lucy, seeing that she carries her blood) will have a pretty big role in the future.

Also, this has been mentioned quite a few times already, but there are probably seven Dragon Slayers, and seven Dragons (Maybe eight, considering the "Dragon King Feast" or something like that which was mencioned by Grandine in chapter... 101?)

Now, this seven Dragons (And their respective childs) have an affinity to some element

Considering Gazilles metal affinity, there is a high chance that Mashima is using the chinese "Wu Xing" elements, which are Fire, Water, Wood, Earth and Metal. But that would render us short on two elements, so I may be wrong, or Mashima simply decided to add two more random elements:Air/Heaven/Wahetever for Wendy, and one more which could be... I don't know, the REAL lightning Dragon Slayer, or maybe some element like Ice or Darkness, who knows.

Only time will tell.

[Unlucky Boy]

I believe the dragons themselfs are the keys for the zeref seal. The dragons somehow knew Grimoire Heart are planning to capture and control them in order to free Zeref so each one trained his child so that they could kill them if it comes to that. Remember how Urtear said she can manipulate any creature? http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/42/12/

About Lucy's mother, it may sound crazy but maybe she is a dragon? In Rave the dragons had a human form so the dragons in FT might be able to change into human form as well. Supposed it's true Layla didnt die in 777, but rather just disappeared with the rest of the dragons. And if that is true then Lucy was supposed to be a dragon slayer?
The fantasy seven elements are- Fire (Natsu), Air (Wendy), Metal (Gazil), Water, Wood, Earth and Aether. Aether means the pure essence where the gods lived and which they breathed (The stellar spirit plane?). I dont know why Lucy wasnt trained like the others (maybe because of her father?) but if this crazy theory might be true she must be the dragon slayer of aether. She is the main character and Aether is the main element that is composed of all the others. It also reminds of Elie which had the power of Aetherion.

[kkck]

In phantom guild, there was the element 4. Each represented one element which were air, water, fire and earth. So far two out of this four have a confirmed dragon slayer which obviously are wendy and natsu. If those are really elements maybe we should expect to see a water and an earth dragon slayer in the future.

I doubt layla or lucy are dragons but I do believe they will eventually serve a deeper purpose in the story.

[Ero-Sanji]

I thought Jura was a dragon slayer because of the Hat and the scale marks on his arms but it's quite clear that he isn't....

The only elements we know are Fire, Metal and Sky/Air. The ancient Greeks thought of a new element besides the typical four and that was Aether. That would probably be the magic Lucy will learn cause it sorta fits with the case about her mother.

But according to the Godai Sky and Air is not the same which makes me believe that if Midnight is a dragonslayer he will be the dragonslayer of air.

[kkck]

At first I thought the guy was a DS too. I guess mashima wanted to throw us off with that one.

I don't think there will be an air and sky DS. For one thing, both of them would eat air.

[Ero-Sanji]

Maybe, maybe not.

The reason why i think they are is that it would sorta fit with the arc. Midnight the fierce demon vs Wendy the little innocent lass. Both of them has the same type of element but not the same area kinda like metal, earth and wood or Water and Ice and maybe just maybe Fire and lava...

Now according to the Godai Sky is one thing and Air/wind another and since the Godai is a japanese philosophy it really fits.

And in the end it will be Midnight vs Wendy and Natsu battle of the dragons!!

[kkck]

I just found something else which further suggests there is a deep relationship between zerref, the dragons and the dragon slayers:
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/46/13/
Gerard has been planning something with the DS from the very beginning. I have no clue about what it could possible be though. Safest assumption would be that zerefs awakening has something to do with the DS and the dragons.

I will add this to the opening post.

[Unlucky Boy]

I just found something else which further suggests there is a deep relationship between zerref, the dragons and the dragon slayers:
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/46/13/
Gerard has been planning something with the DS from the very beginning. I have no clue about what it could possible be though. Safest assumption would be that zerefs awakening has something to do with the DS and the dragons.

I will add this to the opening post.

I remember this, and there's also this page http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/23/20/

Does that mean that Gerard knew that Urtear is fooling him and that the tower of paradise isnt the real way to revive Zeref?

[kkck]

I do not see how the link you provided suggest what you said about him knowing about urtear fooling him. Could you elaborate on that?

[Unlucky Boy]

Well it is certain that Gerard knows something about Natsu (and Igneel as well) and like you said before it is probably because he needs them for reviving Zeref (Maybe thats also why he helped Wendy, he needs the DS to grow strong). And if he knows thats the real way to do it he must know Urtear is manipulating him.

Something else I just realised while writing this message- Gerard and Mistgun arent the same person. Mistgun should know already that Natsu is in FT.

[kkck]

Well it is certain that Gerard knows something about Natsu (and Igneel as well) and like you said before it is probably because he needs them for reviving Zeref (Maybe thats also why he helped Wendy, he needs the DS to grow strong). And if he knows thats the real way to do it he must know Urtear is manipulating him.

Something else I just realised while writing this message- Gerard and Mistgun arent the same person. Mistgun should know already that Natsu is in FT.

That is true. I think mistgun is gerards actual twin brother(which will be a fun revelation considering seiglien claimed to be gerards brother when he was actually gerard)

[cleodux]

Mitsgun said he knows Gerard but the later doesn't know him. I also don't think they are twin. One of them probably resulted from experiment product, or *guess what* time travelling. Can't help it just finished reading Rave not long ago... >.<

Now about Lucy's mother, i think i missed the part where and when actually she died. If she died at 7-7-777 thats mean she is part of the mystery too. Gah its like 9 Sept all over again lol. Mashima really likes to make us wondering. And like Unlucky Boy had state, she is probably the DS Aether user(if the crazy theory happen). It also will explain why Lucy will get the next 3 golden key if she is going to win Angel (because she still has a long way to go in term of power)

Mashima previous work Rave. The heroine of the story serves big purposes, so i believe Lucy will has too, but what we still don't know.

[Unlucky Boy]

Mitsgun said he knows Gerard but the later doesn't know him. I also don't think they are twin. One of them probably resulted from experiment product, or *guess what* time travelling. Can't help it just finished reading Rave not long ago... >.<

Now about Lucy's mother, i think i missed the part where and when actually she died. If she died at 7-7-777 thats mean she is part of the mystery too. Gah its like 9 Sept all over again lol. Mashima really likes to make us wondering. And like Unlucky Boy had state, she is probably the DS Aether user(if the crazy theory happen). It also will explain why Lucy will get the next 3 golden key if she is going to win Angel (because she still has a long way to go in term of power)

Mashima previous work Rave. The heroine of the story serves big purposes, so i believe Lucy will has too, but what we still don't know.

The exact date of Layla's death wasnt told but the year she died is engraved on her grave http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/68/16/
And we all know it cant be a coincidence that she supposedly died on the same year the dragons disappeared.

Oh and I'm glad to see someone actually thinks my theory may be true =p

Edit:
something I just thought about... if Lucy is really an aether magic user she may be able to power up any elemental magic as aether is composed of all the elements. Thats maybe how she powered up Juvia's water, achieving magical fusion or unison raid or whatever http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/87/17/

[hongoasdf]

I'm starting to like your theory about Aether and Lucy's mother. I mean, Mashima does like to make similarities between Rave and Fairy Tail, so making Aether the ultimate element, and making the heroine the key to that element could be possible.

Regardless of that, it is obvious that Lucy's mother will be very important in the future of the series. Maybe the Heartphilia familiy was something like... an ancient royal family of sorts. Would help explain why they are so influential in the present of the series.

Anyways, it's still a long way until the Dragon arc, presumably the last arc of the series. Let's hope Mashima's got something big in mind.

[kkck]

What exactly is arther? Shouldn't that be like wendy's magic?

[Unlucky Boy]

What exactly is arther? Shouldn't that be like wendy's magic?

Wendy's magic is "sky magic" and I think it can be considered as a type of air magic because she eats air. I dont think there's going to be another air/wind DS since they'll have to eat the same thing.

Aether is an element the ancient greeks believed fills the region where the gods lived and it's equivalent to our air. It is also composed of all the other basic elements, making it the main element.

We already know this element exists in the FT world, known as Aetherion and it's really composed of other elements http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/98/04/

Also judging from the descripition of aether, it might be possible that this element is what the stellar spirit world is made of, knowing normal people cant even breath there http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/17/11/
And that can explain why Lucy is a steallr spirit mage and not something else... I actually thinks she inherited her first keys from her mother, I dont see her getting 3 golden keys on her own...

[hongoasdf]

Good Call. I'm getting ever more convinced of your Lucy-Aetherion theory.

[cleodux]

Wendy's magic is "sky magic"
Also judging from the descripition of aether, it might be possible that this element is what the stellar spirit world is made of, knowing normal people cant even breath there http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/17/11/
And that can explain why Lucy is a steallr spirit mage and not something else... I actually thinks she inherited her first keys from her mother, I dont see her getting 3 golden keys on her own...

*sweats* now that i think of it, Lucy only been away for what 2 years? and she couldn't posibbly can get 3 Gk on her own, more over Aquarious is still hostile towards her. But 2 Years is a long time, she could get on her own too.

Back to DS purposes. I think it will be sad you know... for the dragons to train humans just to make them kill yourself. What if they train them for upcoming battle at Dragon Feast festival, something like Battle Royal >.<and the winner will defend their magical world againts Zeref. What if the reason why Natsu and Gazille can't pass through the barrier not only because of their age, but because their nature. (non human) So they are actually dragon race who trained under different Master and somehow for obvious reason forgot about that. They think that they are human, it gives me creep to see Gazille eating all the metal scrap and he can stomach them lol.

Well anyway it is only my random imagination. But if Mashima is really like to use things from Rave universe and apply to Fairy Tail, it is possible to expect another apocalypse end of the world judgement day plot story towards the end. It will be cliche but if he can execute better why not.

[Unlucky Boy]

I think it will be sad you know... for the dragons to train humans just to make them kill yourself. What if they train them for upcoming battle at Dragon Feast festival, something like Battle Royal >.<and the winner will defend their magical world againts Zeref. What if the reason why Natsu and Gazille can't pass through the barrier not only because of their age, but because their nature. (non human) So they are actually dragon race who trained under different Master and somehow for obvious reason forgot about that. They think that they are human, it gives me creep to see Gazille eating all the metal scrap and he can stomach them lol.

It's not that rare to see such sad stories in Mashima's works...
Anyway if it ever comes to that I'm sure Natsu and the others wont kill the dragons, saying "there must be another way!". And Zeref will return for sure cause the battle against him is going to end up the manga probably, so the dragons can't die.

[darkkaitor]

umm speaking of gazelle eatin, when DS eat like element stuff, when they go to the bathroom to do their "thing" wat usually com outs? Cuzs im imagining right now natsu eatin fire then when he go do his thing, fire comes out of his ass

[Newkerzy]

oh god.... that would be a horrible image.....:faint:iik:barf

[Enma Ai]

I think in the future the dragons will become evil and it's up to the dragon slayers to stop them. Or the dragon slayers will succeed the dragons in the future.

[Unlucky Boy]

New theory about the remaining DS elements-

On Rave SiegHart was an elementalist mage which was said was able to control water, thunder, fire, wind, earth, and poison. (I'm not too bored to look for the exact chapter but it says so on many web sites).

So maybe the DS elements are these six plus metal? If so we can expect DS of water, earth, poison and a real thunder one.

[kkck]

A poison DS... magellan anyone lol. That's bound to be interesting lol.

[Ero-Sanji]

I do not think there will be any more Thunder DS cause of it being like introducing a new Enel, i mean thunder is a powerful element so i think leaving only Luxus with it is fine.

The Wind dragon and the Sky dragon are two separate things imo.
And guess what i think Midnight is the Wind dragon...

And remember Sieg Hart also new som Space element magic... Lucy perhaps...

[kkck]

I could see a real thunder DS introduced into the manga if:
1.- Luxus eventually looses his lachrima
2.- It is meant to be a rival for luxus(not that luxus needs one)

[Unlucky Boy]

I dont see any problem with a new lightning DS. I think the lachrima couldnt give Luxus a magic that doesnt exist, so the arc of lightning dragon slaying is a real thing.

And if a new lighting DS shows up I can him turning bad or dying so Luxsus will take his place in the final arc.

What I dont understand is why you think Midnight is a DS, and a wind one on top of that.
From Wendy's description it seems to me that her element is air, she eats air and her magic depends on the air around... what would a wind DS eat?

[Ero-Sanji]

Hehe, I know it's rather weird but from what we have seen he made his carpet float freely in the sky and the fact that he also did this:

http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/134/14/

Ooh and the tattoo on the right shoulder is always a bonus!...
It matches is with all the current "real" DSs.

What does he eat?

Wind?

I know it's odd but think about it if there were a water DS will he/she be able to eat ice and vise versa and how about Gazille can he eat all the different metals the world has to give??

Another crazy theory of mine(I have many :P) is that some powers have two sides e.g. Wind and Air, Water and Ice. One fighter type and the other is more defensive and supplementary and to go with it the different trainers has different appearances, the fighter types are more like typical western or far eastern dragons while the other type is perhaps like fairys...

[Unlucky Boy]

Well we'll have to wait and see but to me it doesnt seem right to have 2 DS of almost the same element when there are lots of other options to choose from (I also dont expect ice and water DS to co-exist).
It also doesnt seem right to throw in another wind magic user in this arc when there are already 2 (Ren and Wendy), and there was already a fight between 2 mages that use the same magic...
The carpet could be just a magical item to let Midnight follow the others while he's asleep.
And there's also the father issue, If he's a DS his father should be a dragon, not Blaine.

[Ero-Sanji]

As I said it's a crazy idea.

But the father issue can be solved it's easy, Blaine just took him in.

Edit; You're obviously right i mean it would be cool to have an awesome wind battle. But as you said there has already been a fight between people using the same kind of magic or wait i can count to 2.

Earth and Stellar spirits...

[kkck]

Even if midnight is a DS(which I doubt) it would not make sense that he is the air dragon(wendy's title is sky dragon but if she eat air, then her element is air). I would think he is some sort of space dragon, if he turns out to be a dragon at all.

[Ero-Sanji]

Yeah that's correct Wendy is the Air dragon but in my theory which no longer exists sincce Cobra was a dragon slayer he would have been the dragon slayer of Wind. Wind and not Air...

[Lee-tyme7]

I didn't realize the date of Lucy's mom death, good catch.
[hr]
Natsu eats fire, & Gazille eats iron, then what do an Aether dragon slayer eat?

[Gustmin]

lucy eats her stellar spirits

[Lee-tyme7]

umm...that's a lil extreme don't you think? after all that talk about "stellar spirits are your friend and should be repected".

[kazille]

My theory is that the Dragons teached DS magic to the kids is that they could kill them. Cause Zeref controls the Dragons. ;p lol. haha. just being crazy.

[kkck]

It's not crazy, it's in the opening post(which I wrote lol). Thinking about it, DS magic also gives the user dragon-ish bodies so in that sense the best magic to kill a DS is that of a DS. Now, recently we have seem the introduction of a new "modern" generation of DS magic which originated from dragon lachrima. The origin of this lachrima is overall questionable and so far every possessor seems to be somewhat of an antagonist(not sure on whether the lachrima actually makes the user go wild though). It is possible this lachrima is related to zerref(since everything in fairytailverse seems to be related to the dude) and the DS purpose is not only to defeat the dude but also to get rid of the new new school DS.

[AngelEngine]

It's not crazy, it's in the opening post(which I wrote lol). Thinking about it, DS magic also gives the user dragon-ish bodies so in that sense the best magic to kill a DS is that of a DS. Now, recently we have seem the introduction of a new "modern" generation of DS magic which originated from dragon lachrima. The origin of this lachrima is overall questionable and so far every possessor seems to be somewhat of an antagonist(not sure on whether the lachrima actually makes the user go wild though). It is possible this lachrima is related to zerref(since everything in fairytailverse seems to be related to the dude) and the DS purpose is not only to defeat the dude but also to get rid of the new new school DS.

I disagree.

I think the dragons taught them, for the sake of defense. The ONLY magic abilities that the Dragons could possibly teach their children is the Dragon slayer arts. i mean, apart from the fact that the DS magic works fairly great against normal humans, and im damn sure that someone like Zereff could also kill dragons even without the useage of DS, it makes no sense for DS to be taught specifically for the purpose of killing the dragons.

In regards to the Lachrima, no, i dont think it makes people wild. Weve seen flashbacks of Lacksus as a child, and he seemed pretty damn normal, and according to his father, the lachrima was placed in his body at a very early age.

[kkck]

Well, the manga does confirm the dragon slaying magic is meant to slay dragons so it kinda would not make sense that the DS never fight either each other or actual dragons. Seriously, what ultimate purpose could there be for DS magic other than DS? Also, it is true other magics could kill dragons but it is also true DS magic is a lot more specific and effective for such a thing.

Also, why would the only magic the dragons could possibly teach the children be DS? It could be true but we have no real way of knowing such a thing.

[uglymonkey]

Or, they taught the kids dragon slaying magic because Zeref is a dragon... a dark dragon oooooohhhh....

[Unlucky Boy]

There's something ese in common for the dragon slayers that we havent discussed. They got similar zig-zag scars.

Natsu- on his neck
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/10/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/101/05/

Gazeel- on his arm
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/62/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/117/03/

I tried finding one on Wendy as well but it's either hidden under her dress or healed by her power.

I had a theory that the dragons might be hiding inside of their pupils bodies, so maybe those scars are the mark left by the dragons entering the DS body?

[kkck]

So, this is the second time we have seen dragon force.
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/98/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/160/02/

Given that it seems to be something well known among strong mages (gerard and zero, probably a few more have heard of it) it seems to have some significance to the story as a whole. It basically seems like a massive powerup but to some extent it also seems to be related to natsu's state as a dragon or something. What do you all think?

[mr.danly]

So, this is the second time we have seen dragon force.
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/98/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/160/02/

Given that it seems to be something well known among strong mages (gerard and zero, probably a few more have heard of it) it seems to have some significance to the story as a whole. It basically seems like a massive powerup but to some extent it also seems to be related to natsu's state as a dragon or something. What do you all think?

I'm a little confused as to why such mages would know anything about Dragon Slayers at all. The only ones who know all the secrets of Dragon Slayer magic are supposedly the dragons, and the dragon slayers themselves, and there's only 7 true ones. So then how would anyone other than these 7 know about a Dragon Slayer's Final Form? Hell, Natsu's one of the 7 and HE barely knows anything about his abilities.

[kkck]

DS slayer is a very well known magic, it simply is considered to be extremely old and basically extinct. Most mages introduced so far at the very least have heard of the term although they always seem to be surprised the magis is still around.

[soulbane_zp]

How come there is no thread for Natsu? :p

Beside the fact that he is a fire Dragon Slayer and that he has learned that from Igneel we don't know much about him (still waiting for Natsu background/Dragon arc to happen :p). There is the question of his age and how he ended up alone in a forest in the first place when Igneel found him.

Also there is the scar he has on his neck, which is probably the reason why he wears a scarf

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/45436/2295703210105936045S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/13083/2436889950105936045S600x600Q85.jpg

If Mashima bothers to draw a scar everytime he has his scarf off, it has to have some meaning.

[Unlucky Boy]

About the scar- I think it's common for all the dragon slayers for some reason.

Gazille has similar scars on his arms
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/62/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/117/03/

Igneel too has many scars
http://www.onemanga.com/Fairy_Tail/101/10-11/

[soulbane_zp]

Then Wendy must have one too.

If all of them have similar scars then maybe that's how they get their DS magic, the dragons infuse them with it. Maybe that's why they couldn't pass the age barrier, the thing they are infused is older then 80 years :blink.

[Solfy]

That's actually a nice theory you got there, sir.

[kkck]

Maybe the scars are the result from their training. Dragon slayer magic gives the user the constitution of a dragon. That means dragon scales, dragon claws, teeth and a magical element based on a dragon. That said, for a dragon to teach DS magic it should be capable of using said magic. In that sense, DS magic is more than perfectly capable of causing said injuries to other DS. Basically the DS got the scars from their respective dragons when they were in training.

[Unlucky Boy]

Maybe the scars are the result from their training. Dragon slayer magic gives the user the constitution of a dragon. That means dragon scales, dragon claws, teeth and a magical element based on a dragon. That said, for a dragon to teach DS magic it should be capable of using said magic. In that sense, DS magic is more than perfectly capable of causing said injuries to other DS. Basically the DS got the scars from their respective dragons when they were in training.

Then why would Mashima try to hide them like that?
I believe the scars are the result of the dragons entering their children's bodies in order to hide there.
Wendy might have no scar because of her healing power or because Grandine has the power to turn into that ball of light or air and walk through her. That's probably how he got into Natsu and talked with Igneel.

[Solfy]

Hah, I like this theory a lot too ! It sounds perfect.

[soulbane_zp]

Then why would Mashima try to hide them like that?
I believe the scars are the result of the dragons entering their children's bodies in order to hide there.
Wendy might have no scar because of her healing power or because Grandine has the power to turn into that ball of light or air and walk through her. That's probably how he got into Natsu and talked with Igneel.

Grandine and Igneel little chat is after the ToP arc, Wendy was no where near Natsu and the scenery was mountains and caves, so i seriously doubt that the dragons are hiding inside them .

[Unlucky Boy]

Grandine and Igneel little chat is after the ToP arc, Wendy was no where near Natsu and the scenery was mountains and caves, so i seriously doubt that the dragons are hiding inside them .

We dont know how far can Grandine go in that form (I believe the light ball is an astral projection or something of the sort, the real dragon is somewhere else), or even where did the group rest after the TOP exploded, it might be that Wendy was close to that place.

And the magic of DS converts the body of the mage to a dragon's consitution- a fiting place for a dragon to hide. Of course it is magic...the inside of the DS may look like anything...

[soulbane_zp]

I also want to know from where Natsu knew Wendy. When she first appeared he was acting like he knows her from somewhere but couldn't remember.

I hope the next arc will be about Natsu, since he is supposed to be the main character but his story is the least developed so far. We had Grey arc, Lucy arc and two times ErzaxGerard. I think it's finally time for some Natsu story.

[HappyStealer]

I would just like to believe that the dragons are hiding at places in their respective element. Igneel = Fire = Volcano, Granadine = Sky = Clouds/Atmosphere, Metalicana = Iron = Somewhere in the ground where iron is found like the mantle of the planet or something. But I do agree that there needs to be a natsu history arc soon besides that he was raised by igneel.....

[sabret00the]

I too subscribe to the theory that the Dragons are within their students. If you read the chapter (101) over, it just seems to make plain sense. You look at the dialogue and Grandine says she felt that Igneel was close by, but it's obvious Igneel isn't wandering. It would seem that for some reason, the Dragons have had to withdraw from the world, though the reason is what? I also think that it has something to do with Zeref? Is it possible that he's a dragon too? I'm also of the opinion that Gérard is a Dragon Slayer.

That said, Natsu is sheerly frustrating. He's been shown to be one of the strongest in Fairy Tail on several occasion, perhaps only bettered by the likes of Makarov. However, all of his power ups are only temporary. How is it that Ganjeel for example is an S-Class level mage and yet Natsu isn't? We're all forgetting that Natsu beat Luxus and has beat many of the enemies that have bettered Fairy Tail but the author seems to keep on coming back to this idea that Natsu only done it via a cheap temporary power up or through his power of friendship and using those same excuses for over 150 chapters is nothing short of boring. I also object to the fact that Natsu's temperament and maturity are being kept at that of a five year old in order to facilitate the gags of the manga.

The fact of the matter is, Gray is a cool character but he should be at least a tier below Natsu now. But it won't happen because it's handy for the gags that they're equal. How the fuck Ice Magic is supposed to be at the same strength as Dragon Slayer magic is beyond me, but whatever. Natsu should be on par with Elza (using the spelling that Mashima romanised in-story) right now at least, though I feel he should've bettered her by now. That said, I do think that Lucy should be keeping pace Natsu. Her strength should be visibly growing as she accumulates gold keys and the strength of her Stellar Spirits should be growing along with her. There should be an arc in the making where she'll be forced to up her own combat skills in order to better support her Spirits but I doubt that will happen because it's not very gag-useful to have her being strong and dependable.

All in all, when you look at this manga, it took the art work of One Piece, the fundamental principles of the story, upped the gag factor and kinda shot itself in the foot at that point. I'm sure that while Mashima is enjoying the merchandising money that he's undoubtedly raking in right now. And yes it's blatantly a motivating factor given the introduction of Charle. He has no intention of turning this into a great manga, merely a fun one for the kids that seems to want to actually not want to go anywhere. Congratulations to him, selling out your own manga is fun!

[Wrath]

Given how fond the mangaka is of temporary power-ups for Natsu, I've been wondering if the dragons have split their powers between their children and their cat companions. That way at the end Natsu gets to take power from Happy, then return it to get his friend back.

[DeathnTaxes]

I somehow seem to think that Natsu killing Igneel is impossible. The theory of Dragon slayers killing the dragons may be true. But it makes no sense that the fire dragon slayer could kill the fire dragon. The magics are equal in their element. They would simply eat each others magic.

I think that the Dragon slayer magic has something to do with the big badass black dragon that gildartz encountered on the 100 year quest. Perhaps he is an evil dragon that is pivotal to the story line and that DS humans need to kill. Maybe the dragons cannot hurt each other, but the DS humans can. So they train their own "Aspects" so to speak, so that they can team up and fight the big black dragon.
It's also strange that Igneel was concerned about Natsu and Wendy meeting. I cannot remember the chapter number and cant search for it now, but it is odd.
Maybe even Zeref is the Black DS. His magic does seem to revolve around death magic. Or dark/evil magic. Maybe the dragons cannot interfere with each other directly. Then the black dragon trains Zeref as a Dark DS, so the other dragons in order to maintain a balance train their own elemental DS humans to counter Zeref and his possible resurrection.

[Sollum]

Well, the general idea of <creature>slayer is that the person possess special magic meant to counter <creature>.

At the moment I dont see how any of current Dragon Slayers are "slayers", apart from the ability to consume specific elements to restore his/her mana pool.

So i strongly assume that magic that Dragon Slayers use is simple Dragon Magic, whereas their true abilities will be shown later...

In some stories/plots, Dragons are spawns of darkness.
First i thought that Ignell and the other DS teachers are just simple dragon renegades, BUT... i seen somewhere that dragons have a "king", and Grandine said something like "bla bla bla want to meet you at dragon king party bla bla", so i would assume that Dragon King is actually Zeref himself, since they cant meet him now, but will meet him when Zeref is released.

[kkck]

Well, the general idea of <creature>slayer is that the person possess special magic meant to counter <creature>.

At the moment I dont see how any of current Dragon Slayers are "slayers", apart from the ability to consume specific elements to restore his/her mana pool.

So i strongly assume that magic that Dragon Slayers use is simple Dragon Magic, whereas their true abilities will be shown later...

In some stories/plots, Dragons are spawns of darkness.
First i thought that Ignell and the other DS teachers are just simple dragon renegades, BUT... i seen somewhere that dragons have a "king", and Grandine said something like "bla bla bla want to meet you at dragon king party bla bla", so i would assume that Dragon King is actually Zeref himself, since they cant meet him now, but will meet him when Zeref is released.

Well, it hasn't been seen but it has been repeatedly stated DS magic is specially effective against dragons. Also, the bodies of the DS makes it so that the body of the user turns into something like that of a real dragon. We have even seen scales, claws and whatnot from several DS.

[Sollum]

Well, it hasn't been seen but it has been repeatedly stated DS magic is specially effective against dragons. Also, the bodies of the DS makes it so that the body of the user turns into something like that of a real dragon. We have even seen scales, claws and whatnot from several DS.

I agree on this, but...

I play lots of games and there's particularly one class that really amazes me - Anti-Mage. They also use magic to kill enemies, and specific magic against casters.

What i mean is that, lets take Natsu for example

"Dragon Slayer" Skills: Fists on fire, fireballs out of mouth, fire nova. Basic Fire Magic, but enchanted with some nasty stuff, like turning your lungs into the dragon lungs, for more fire power.

REAL Dragon Slayer techniques: Consume fire to replenish mana pool, "scales" that make you immune to fire and lots of stuff we dont know yet


In other words - What we see now is not full potential of Dragonslayer, because slayers need to have special skills to SLAY <creature>, what we see now is just Fire+Draconic Enchanted magic ramping all over the place and i really dont think that Ignell or <insert random fire dragon> will die from a fireball

[DeathnTaxes]

In other words - What we see now is not full potential of Dragonslayer, because slayers need to have special skills to SLAY <creature>, what we see now is just Fire+Draconic Enchanted magic ramping all over the place and i really dont think that Ignell or <insert random fire dragon> will die from a fireball

This is kinda what I was getting at as well. But even with their "True DS powers not being unlocked yet" I don't see Igneel dying to a fireball of any kind, regardless of how much Natsu grows. Both Natsu and Igneel can consume their element, regardless of the source and use it to power up. Now I would imagine that this ability has its limitations.
As in natsu in his current growth state could not take a 100% power fireball from Igneel and still live. Because I would assume there is a limit to the amount of magic that they can consume.
I also dont see a human growing in power to exceed an ancient dragon by that same power gap, that would make igneel overload from consuming Natsu's fireball.
The scales make them immune to their element to a certain degree, based on their power as well. So the DS users would be in a stale mate with their teachers, but perhaps not quite a stale mate with a different dragon.
I am also not convinced that the dragons have trained dragon slayers to eventually come and kill their masters (The whole self sacrificial martyr just does not make much sense) .

I think that there are good and bad factions within the dragons ranks, in some way. The dragon magic is ancient and only ancient magic can defeat a dragon, but there is some limitation on the dragon's themselves, that they cannot fight the evil dragon(s) directly. SO they train the DS users and give them the ability to wield the ancient magic that has the capability to kill a dragon.... The bad one(s).

Zeref being the dragon king? Plausible.
Perhaps Zeref has somehow crippled the dragons against him many years ago. Then the dragons foresaw his return and made adequate preparations to battle him, the DS users.

[kkck]

It seems dragon slayers have some significance in edoras at this point. Wasn't it said they actually hold the power of dragons? I think the edoras people might be trying to gather the DS magic to harness dragon force. Perhaps we will see a few interesting things in the future. It also seems like the exceed do fear the DS though since they specifically wanted to kill them. Perhaps the queen is a dragon lol.

[Jiggy-Ninja]

Is Zeref a Dragon Slayer? Specifically, one of the Old Style like Natsu.

Dragons (even though they haven't really shown up) and their Dragon Slayers have been hinted at having a very important, even crucial role in the Fairy Tail plot. We still don't know exactly what his is, but since Zeref, the most evil and powerful mage in all of history is still alive (and has recently been formally introduced into the story), it's a very good bet the plot's going to be about stopping him.

A bit of direct evidence, in Chapter 208, when Zeref yells at Elfman and Evergreen to stay away, he has pointed teeth. This is a distinct feature of all 5 of the known Dragon Slayers we've seen.

Second, he seems to have a dragon counterpart as well. He was known as the "Black Mage", and before the Edolas arc we found out that Gildartz ran into (and got totally trashed by) a "Black Dragon". The Black Dragon doesn't seem quite so friendly to people as Igneel, Metalicana, and whatever Wendy's dragon was, and is obviously very, very powerful. A fitting partner/mentor for someone of Zeref's caliber.

All in all, seems probable.

[kkck]

Igneel was not exactly friendly when we saw him/her though. Igneel was actually quite aggressive towards grandine. Who is to say igneel won't rip to shreds a puny human who dares to annoy him? At the moment it seems very likely zeref is indeed a DS and the purpose of natsu and the others is to indeed exterminate him. Zeref being a DS means a DS would be the ideal enemy for him.

I have been thinking about the fake DS too. What if the DS lachrima was also created for the purpose of fighting zeref?

[sarutobi_sensei]

I've been meaning to post this since Sunday but I completely forgot.

Ok, so here are my theories about Zeref, Natsu and the Dragons and Dragon Slayers.

We know that Zeref gave birth to countless demons. We know that he knows Natsu. We know from what we've seen, that something doesn't add up to the tale of him being evil. We also know that he knows what Fairy Tail is (Oh this island is administrated by the guild?). We also know that Natsu has no recollection of him. We also know that Natsu kinda knew of Wendy's name. He was stunned to hear her name, like he was trying to remember something. We also know that Poliuska made a prophecy about 3 Dragon Slayers and Fairy Tail. More contents of that we don't know.

Now, what we don't know is how has all this happened.

Looking back, Zeref's, Wendy's, Gajeel and Natsu's clothing style is similar. They have older looking clothes. A style that probably comes from another kingdom or something. It's not normal to wear those clothes.

Now, we also know that the Dragons disappeared 7 years ago, on 7/7/777. What could it be that triggered their disappearance? Zeref awakening.

Now, Zeref mentions something about Natsu still not being able to break him. We know that Natsu wasn't able to pass the barrier, so this can only mean 1 of 3 things:
Natsu has been shrunk into baby form because of extreme magical power use from before the current timeline. Probably centuries (400 years I think that it was mentioned during the Oracion Seis arc that the world was constantly @ war 400 years ago) Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, other Dragon Slayers were fighting against the same person, Zeref, who was being controlled by someone.

Now where do the dragons fit in to all of this? Simple. They were the ones that had been raised by Natsu and co, and when they used all their power to either seal Zeref or destroy whoever it was who was controlling him, they reverted to their child form, with no memories @ the time (probably going to be awakened soon) and they were frozen in time, being monitored by the Dragons, and Zeref, now free from his controller.

Then when the time came, Natsu and the others woke up, an Igneel took care of him as a son, giving him back all the love that Natsu had given him when he was his master.

Natsu also doesn't have any recollection of what happened to him before Igneel.

Remember that Grandine said something about believing in the humans and... Zeref. So the guy can't be bad @ all.

Further on, we see that in Edoras, Natsu seems younger and Wendy seems older (well she is older). But here, Natsu seems older and Wendy seems younger, she is way too young looking for a 12 year old.

Basically, I'm saying what other people have said before, that Natsu, Wendy, Gajeel are actually centuries old and that they have a connection with Zeref.

Now another thing could've happened.

Natsu and the other Dragon Slayers belonged to a cult or tribe or something. Zeref was the leader of the group and started going mad. Natsu was the only one that could stand up to him and could fight him one on one, opening Zeref's eyes but not being able to save him, thus he ended up using all his power to send him to another land, unable to move to near people again.

One thing's for sure, I'm probably going to be wrong on both of them, but I'm sure it'll be epic.

[meepers4982]

I've been meaning to post this since Sunday but I completely forgot.

Ok, so here are my theories about Zeref, Natsu and the Dragons and Dragon Slayers.

We know that Zeref gave birth to countless demons. We know that he knows Natsu. We know from what we've seen, that something doesn't add up to the tale of him being evil. We also know that he knows what Fairy Tail is (Oh this island is administrated by the guild?). We also know that Natsu has no recollection of him. We also know that Natsu kinda knew of Wendy's name. He was stunned to hear her name, like he was trying to remember something. We also know that Poliuska made a prophecy about 3 Dragon Slayers and Fairy Tail. More contents of that we don't know.

Now, what we don't know is how has all this happened.

Looking back, Zeref's, Wendy's, Gajeel and Natsu's clothing style is similar. They have older looking clothes. A style that probably comes from another kingdom or something. It's not normal to wear those clothes.

Now, we also know that the Dragons disappeared 7 years ago, on 7/7/777. What could it be that triggered their disappearance? Zeref awakening.

Now, Zeref mentions something about Natsu still not being able to break him. We know that Natsu wasn't able to pass the barrier, so this can only mean 1 of 3 things:
Natsu has been shrunk into baby form because of extreme magical power use from before the current timeline. Probably centuries (400 years I think that it was mentioned during the Oracion Seis arc that the world was constantly @ war 400 years ago) Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, other Dragon Slayers were fighting against the same person, Zeref, who was being controlled by someone.

Now where do the dragons fit in to all of this? Simple. They were the ones that had been raised by Natsu and co, and when they used all their power to either seal Zeref or destroy whoever it was who was controlling him, they reverted to their child form, with no memories @ the time (probably going to be awakened soon) and they were frozen in time, being monitored by the Dragons, and Zeref, now free from his controller.

Then when the time came, Natsu and the others woke up, an Igneel took care of him as a son, giving him back all the love that Natsu had given him when he was his master.

Natsu also doesn't have any recollection of what happened to him before Igneel.

Remember that Grandine said something about believing in the humans and... Zeref. So the guy can't be bad @ all.

Further on, we see that in Edoras, Natsu seems younger and Wendy seems older (well she is older). But here, Natsu seems older and Wendy seems younger, she is way too young looking for a 12 year old.

Basically, I'm saying what other people have said before, that Natsu, Wendy, Gajeel are actually centuries old and that they have a connection with Zeref.

Now another thing could've happened.

Natsu and the other Dragon Slayers belonged to a cult or tribe or something. Zeref was the leader of the group and started going mad. Natsu was the only one that could stand up to him and could fight him one on one, opening Zeref's eyes but not being able to save him, thus he ended up using all his power to send him to another land, unable to move to near people again.

One thing's for sure, I'm probably going to be wrong on both of them, but I'm sure it'll be epic.

thats a really good analysis :) i was skimming through previous chapters and in almost every major arc we have some characters past revealed like with grey in the galuna arc, erza in the tower of heaven arc, lucys past was also mentioned somewhere too, and wendy with the oracion seis (somewhat). With natsu we only know a little bit and its not even that much and gajeel we dont know anything.
I think along that with poliuskas predicton and the presence of gajeel, natsu, and wendy on the island is coincidence... and of course zeref :). I hope we get an explaination as to why zeref is acting the way he is or why what we heard about him so far doesnt really reflect the character that we were presented with.

[Igtenes]

It's pretty twisted that dragons would adopt kids and teach them magic that is specifically harmful to them, unless the purpose of the dragon slayers is to slay an actual dragon.
Why is DS essential to stopping Zeref? Are all Dragon Slayers actually dragons themselves? Maybe Igneel is Natsu's real father and Natsu will one day take Igneel's place as the fire dragon.
Gildartz did hint that Natsu is not human when he was talking to Happy, saying that no human could stop the black dragon but maybe Natsu could one day.
There are so many ways this could go, but there are some very interesting theories in this thread:D.

[kkck]

DS have been stated to have the power of dragons and to have bodies with characteristics of that of a dragon. They might never actually become giant lizards but I do think they are by all intents and purposes dragons. In that sense if there is a reason they were taught DS magic is that they are to slay either dragons or DS or perhaps both. I wrote something similar years ago in this thread if I recall.

[chess4]

I've been meaning to post this since Sunday but I completely forgot.

Ok, so here are my theories about Zeref, Natsu and the Dragons and Dragon Slayers.

We know that Zeref gave birth to countless demons. We know that he knows Natsu. We know from what we've seen, that something doesn't add up to the tale of him being evil. We also know that he knows what Fairy Tail is (Oh this island is administrated by the guild?). We also know that Natsu has no recollection of him. We also know that Natsu kinda knew of Wendy's name. He was stunned to hear her name, like he was trying to remember something. We also know that Poliuska made a prophecy about 3 Dragon Slayers and Fairy Tail. More contents of that we don't know.

Now, what we don't know is how has all this happened.

Looking back, Zeref's, Wendy's, Gajeel and Natsu's clothing style is similar. They have older looking clothes. A style that probably comes from another kingdom or something. It's not normal to wear those clothes.

Now, we also know that the Dragons disappeared 7 years ago, on 7/7/777. What could it be that triggered their disappearance? Zeref awakening.

Now, Zeref mentions something about Natsu still not being able to break him. We know that Natsu wasn't able to pass the barrier, so this can only mean 1 of 3 things:
Natsu has been shrunk into baby form because of extreme magical power use from before the current timeline. Probably centuries (400 years I think that it was mentioned during the Oracion Seis arc that the world was constantly @ war 400 years ago) Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, other Dragon Slayers were fighting against the same person, Zeref, who was being controlled by someone.

Now where do the dragons fit in to all of this? Simple. They were the ones that had been raised by Natsu and co, and when they used all their power to either seal Zeref or destroy whoever it was who was controlling him, they reverted to their child form, with no memories @ the time (probably going to be awakened soon) and they were frozen in time, being monitored by the Dragons, and Zeref, now free from his controller.

Then when the time came, Natsu and the others woke up, an Igneel took care of him as a son, giving him back all the love that Natsu had given him when he was his master.

Natsu also doesn't have any recollection of what happened to him before Igneel.

Remember that Grandine said something about believing in the humans and... Zeref. So the guy can't be bad @ all.

Further on, we see that in Edoras, Natsu seems younger and Wendy seems older (well she is older). But here, Natsu seems older and Wendy seems younger, she is way too young looking for a 12 year old.

Basically, I'm saying what other people have said before, that Natsu, Wendy, Gajeel are actually centuries old and that they have a connection with Zeref.

Now another thing could've happened.

Natsu and the other Dragon Slayers belonged to a cult or tribe or something. Zeref was the leader of the group and started going mad. Natsu was the only one that could stand up to him and could fight him one on one, opening Zeref's eyes but not being able to save him, thus he ended up using all his power to send him to another land, unable to move to near people again.

One thing's for sure, I'm probably going to be wrong on both of them, but I'm sure it'll be epic.

ITS LONG BUT BEAR WITH ME PLEASE

couple of things to add. she didnt mention 3 dragon slayers, she was talking about drgon slayers in general.

also. remember the laxus arc, when natsu tried to get outside the barrier, it wouldn let anyone above the age of 80 leave the building, hinting at that natsu is over that age.

also dragon slaying magic is only learned from dragons and is a very anceint magic.

the biggest question is, why would dragons teach humans how to beat them? and why would they leave the children, when they raised them like their own?

my theory is that the dragons knew that they were going to do something terrible one day, so they trained the children how to beat them, and the reason they left them was because they wouldnt want their emotional ties get in the way of fighting.

i dont think zeref is the ultimate bad guy, i think he is the scapegoat for a much bigger threat. i think he was being controlled by someone or something. i also think he is the black dragon slayer, and the same thing that happened to natsu and the others happended to him.

this kinda reminds of the PS1 game legend of dragoon,, for all those who have played it. where the character rose, who wore the blaCK dragon armor and commanded the black dragon took the burden of doing terrible things to preserve the world by prevented a much worse enemy form coming and was branded the black monster by the very world she was protecting she did so until it was time for the rest of the dragoons anad the rest of the dragons were ready, whe the prophecy started to reveal itself. i said all that to say that zeref took the fall for omething more senester in the works.

like you said that natsu when natsu heard wendy, it was like he heard the name before. i think zeref just got more of his memory back than the others and tht how he remembers natsu. the reason he is crying is because he remembers natsu from the past and what good friend they were.

he said natsu was the only one who could stop him hinting at the natsu has done it before. the mystery surrounding the dragons and the slayers, im will to bet the guild tattorus(spelling?) has something to do with it.

[Igtenes]

I still don't think that Natsu and the other Slayers are human. Cobra mentioned in chapter 150 that dragon slaying magic was restricted to dragon's themselves, and that there was no conventional way for a human to simply be taught that magic.

[chess4]

my prediction of zeref is that he is the dark dragon slayer and was once a good guy. i think he fought beside natsu, wendy, and gajeel long ago vs and even bigger threat and he took the fall to save the world.

what we know is that zeref is old but he doesnt like it. remember during the laxus arc, when natsu was trying to leave the and help fight, he couldnt because he was over 80 years old.

also when wendy was 1st introduced that natsu said wendy to himself like he had heard of her before. i think zeref just got more of his memory back.

i think long ago all the dragon slayers had to do something exteme to save the world, but zeref had to make the biggest sacrifice.

i also thought it funny why would the dragons teach people how to beat them?

my theory is that were involved in something a long time ago and that they would do something terrible again, so somehow the current slayers were reverted to children and had an anti aging spell placed on them. when the time was right the dragons took the children to train them. the reason they left them was because they knew they would have to face them in battle, so they didnt want any emotional ties holding them back.

I Think that tatorus is involved in the mystery behind the slayer
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why does markorov have to survive. Laxus knows hi grandfather loves him and his his son is a lost cause.

its like in naruto when jaraiya was killed, he didnt have a chance to talk to naruto or make ammends with him or when the 3rd hokage was killed in orachimaru's raid.

most of the great manga's have a great death in them. remeber the cats vision of natsu and the other girls crying. someone dies and i cant see mishima killing off someone really important to the story like the one of the slayers or grey.

[subaru daemon]

am I the only one who thinks that Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel are actually Dragons instead of Dragon Slayers?

I mean, when Natsu fought with Cobra he said something about he, as a "new style" dragon slayer (with Lacryma), was an original dragon slayer, and someone being teached by dragon was "quite unbelieveble".

So, we also know that Natsu and the other DS have more then 80 years old by the Fairy Tail Tournament arc, when Natsu and Gajeel couldn't get pass by the enchantment on the guild. And Zeref seems to mean Natsu for long time. Considering Zeref a very "old" mage, old enough to be a legend to be told, Natsu could be as old as him. And like @sarutobi_sensei said, their clothes (except for wendy) ressembles something really old if you compare with their companions.

So why do I think Natsu, Gajeel and Wendy are dragons? Well, the manga left some clues to us. First, they ultimate attacks (mainly when in Edoras, when the three of them unite they ultimate powers) make real dragons appear "as spirits" or something like that. Natsu talk about Igneel being his father (we know it as an adoption, but why cant he is actually his father?). The three of them can morph dragon-like parts on their bodies (like scales). They can eat their respective element (I mean, how can someone teach a kid to eat fire? I think that someone have this power since his birth, it isnt something to be teached). And they have more then an ordinary people's age (deducing that Natsu have more then 80 years).

[swordsaintscoot]

So I had this idea about Mest's possible connection to the Dragon Slayers and Zeref.

One thing I always think about when I read or watch Fairy Tail is "I wonder how old Natsu is?" Obviously because of that time in the Fighting Festival Arc where Dragon Slayers could not pass through Fried's runes.

A lot of people think that it could just be because Dragon Slayer magic changes a persons body composition that prevented them from passing through the rune. I have a different idea though.

What if Dragon Slayers are just really old? What if living with Dragons and learning their magic increases your lifespan? If they were this old you'd think they'd know that, but what if Mest's magic (which so far seems to be a memory manipulation) was used on them to create a sense that the time they spent with their foster 'parents' was on scale with normal time during the time they spent with dragons?

It would somewhat make sense to me. We've never had the pleasure of encountering the families of any Dragon Slayer, but as we all know, there's been no lacking in family development of other characters like Gray, Lucy and even Makarov/Laxus/Ivan. To say family isn't important in this story would be a grave ignorance in my opinion.

What if the Dragon Slayers obvious lack of family is because they've outlived them?

Another piece I've been thinking about is how people are assuming Zeref is also a very old Dragon Slayer who's prolonged his own life by the death of others. What if he was the Dragon Slayer of death/darkness, and he feeds on death. If it truly was this that prolonged his life, then maybe Natsu eating fire, Gajeel eating metal and Wendy eating air has increased their life? Though this bit is unlikely due to the fact we've seen a younger Natsu. However I still think the time they spent with their respective dragon is on a much bigger scale than what we've been led to believe.

[k-dom]

To me the dragon slayer are also older than how they appear. That's why the barrier stopped them.
We know that Natsu remember Wendy and that Zeref remembers Natsu. So I think they were alive and knew each other before Zeref was put to sleep.
I also think that Zeref may be the dragon slayer raised by the black dragon Gildarts fought

[kkck]

Well, everyone agrees in that the DS are in fact over 80 years old. The mainstream theory is that they were to sleep by the dragons and awoke only recently though.
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Recently I went through the fight with natsu and cobra and wondered how exactly natsu became a DS. DS magic is special in that the body of the user actually becomes akin to one of an actual dragon. But is that something that can be learned? Even elfman who transforms into monsters and whatnot apparently does so by possesing monsters and absorbing then or something of the sort. I think DS are not trained but rather they are made. Perhaps real dragons leave a part of themselves in humans so that they would acquire such power(scales, soul, magic, could be anything). In turn fake dragons slayers perhaps do something similar. The dragon lachrima which makes fake DS perhaps simply mimics the process by which a real dragon makes a DS out of a real human.

[1337 haxor]

What I am going to say sounds a bit disturbing but I think that true DS are actually half-human and half-dragon.

It`s simply too fancy to believe that on a certain day a dragon finds an orphaned kid, takes pity on it and raises that kid not only as his son but also as someone who could actually kill him.

In my opinion the Dragon Slayers were conceived by the Dragons and the Mages who sealed Zeref as the ones who would later face him off towards his ultimate defeat.

It all began when Zeref, the Black Dragon Slayer, was conceived by the affair of the Black Dragon with a human (probably some powerful sorceress) and thus was the first DS born.

Since it happened on a likely distant past one can assume this caused an uproar of epic proportions that eventually led to Zeref`s mother being executed, Black Dragon hating humanity and Zeref becoming the son of a bitch he was.

However, something in Zeref (and probably related to his mother) allowed him to have control over dragons and that made it impossible for them to confront him directly.

This is were the DS come in, being of the same kind as Zeref and sporting a human side which dragon enchanting magic cannot control they were the only ones who could truly stand a chance against him.

But were does Lucy comes into all this?

I think her bloodline has something to do with Zeref`s sealing and that the keys made from Zeref`s seal along with the celestial keys were their doing.

Probably the day when the dragons took off and Lucy`s mom disappeared was also the day when Zeref in his current form awakened for the first time and the dragons fearing they would fall under Zeref`s control again fleed to unknown regions.

Lucy`s mother probably was alerted of that fact aswell and fled to keep the identity of her daughter`s bloodline in secret (I dare anyone to confirm she is dead after Lisanna returned).

If we think of the DS as dragon-human hybrids it would explain why they doesn`t age despite evidence showing they are several decades old at least.

Perhaps they were put into some kind of deep hybernation on early childhood which erased their memories of their true origins, that would explain why Zeref could have seen Natsu as a child but the latter forgot him.

Also explained would be Wendy`s age difference, if something occured which delayed her awakening she ended up younger than her peers and had less time to be taught by Grandine.

[Barayosei]

I think DS are not trained but rather they are made. Perhaps real dragons leave a part of themselves in humans so that they would acquire such power(scales, soul, magic, could be anything). In turn fake dragons slayers perhaps do something similar. The dragon lachrima which makes fake DS perhaps simply mimics the process by which a real dragon makes a DS out of a real human.

I actually think this is true as well. It would explain why the real and fake DS all have scars (except for possibly Wendy, unless hers is somewhere unseen). The scars could be from where dragons inserted the magic into the DS, and also the same goes for the dragon lachrima for the fake DS.

[elitefox]

To kill dragons?

hahaha, as Gildartz said, they are the only one who can match dragons

[Koen]

To kill dragons?

hahaha, as Gildartz said, they are the only one who can match dragons

That maybe but I am also believing their purpose has something to do with Dark Magic. I had the feeling that Natsu could somehow resist Zeref's dark magic as a Dragon Slayer. Not sure if the result would have been the same with a mage who isn't a dragon slayer

[swordsaintscoot]

I wanna know what the hell is up with Natsu's scarf.

[xela]

I think that Zeref is not of the Black Dragon (if he actually is a Dragon Slayer). *drum roll*

I believe that Zeref is of the Dragon King himself *gasp* And here I will present my weak argument. :D

It is my belief that Zeref, if he indeed is a Dragon Slayer, is a cut above the rest. His abilities are not those that of a normal Dragon Slayer (Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy), though he seems to believe that Natsu can possibly over power him. Legends abound that Zeref is one of the most powerful Mage to exist, and that he gave birth to 'tens of thousands of demons' according to Ultear.

Again, this is if he is indeed a Dragon Slayer.

Now, I will continue about him in a while. In the meantime, let us examine the beings who taught the Dragon Slayers their abilities: The Dragons themselves.

Dragons are beings of immense power that needed the invention of a new branch of magic to battle them: The Dragon Slayer magics.

There are currently only 5 dragons mentioned within the series: Igneel, Metalicana, Grandine, the Black Dragon, and the Dragon King.

Now, I mentioned that I believe that Zeref could be the Dragon King's, not the Black Dragon's, foster son.

We really don't have an idea what kind of power the Dragon King wields, but it presumably is immense. It is my belief that the Dragon King somehow has control over 'Life' and 'Death' that are reflected in Zeref's magic.

I think that Zeref 'eats' life (his Death Magics) and somehow utilizes this to use as his 'Living Magic'.

Crazy, I know. Guess I took too much hits in the head :chair
:XD

[Aloysius]

I think Natsu has been made of Igneel. He is a part of Igneel, or an avatar of Igneel. So, he is as old as Igneel, or maybe he has as already lived many lives. The current Natsu may look to be a 18 year old or so, but he probably has past lives.
This is why he remembers Wendy. He already encountered her in some of his past live/incarnation, and the encounter ended badly, according to Grandine. And then, Wendy is younger that the other two DS, probably because of that encounter...

Last but not least : look the scar Natsu has on his neck. Doesn't it looks very similar to Igneel's scars ?

[ca12nag3]

Hmm about Zeref if the Zeref is a dragonslayer at all i do believe his magic to be pure death magic, And that of a death dragon *if thats the same as the black dragon i dunno*

Also the magical releases we see from this current Zeref are not those of the dark lord Zeref. Somehow the dark lord is inside this guy, either not awakend or something like that.

So this magic atm is wreckless and random.

Also the dragon king i do not think is a death magic user but if anything at all a life magic user. *holy dragon*

So in my opinion so far?

Fire-Dragon *Igneel*
Air/wind-dragon *Grandine*
Iron-Dragon *Metalicana*
Black-Dragon *unknown*
Holy/light-Dragon *dragon king*

What the dragonslayers might be is speculation, at the least they are destined to do something together, why the dragons dont interfere also unknown.

[Bhoot]

Hmm how about : all the DS are just normal mages who were extremely powerful in their prime . They protected the world from the rampaging dragons who would have otherwise destroyed the world in their pride of being superior to Humans . They could consume and replenish their energy using their respective elements .


One day an evil mage named Zeref appeared . He had the old but classic multiple personality disorder . As the evil side of the coin , he created legions of Armys under his control to bring down the Magic society which at that moment was the bigger evil [or atleast according to him] so he went into the darkness and somehow gained some power that the mystics [DS] had stored which allowed initially gave them their powers .

Seeing as Zeref was too strong the DS were called upon for help . Being very old as they were , they seal the Zeref person , but were left too weak . So they tried to absorb as much of their element as possible . They overdid it somehow and managed to heal their body so much that it trascended the barrier of time and space . Becoming little midget pipsqueeks who go mama when someone holds them .

Now the Dragon King had been instated the dragon king by the DS who had defeated the old EVIL ruler . So to pay them back , he asked the Dragons of their respective elements so take care of 'em and teach 'em .

And them Fairy Tale begins . Oh ofcource , Lucy's mom was the only one of the ancients who didnt get so hurt so she kept a look on them and that the Dragons did as they promised . Day she died , the king did as promised and left the DS to do their own and unexpectedly , the Dragons [atleast some the them grew close to the DS who they once hated/feared/honored/rivaled] .

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Plot predictions :

Wendy is actually the same age as Natsu and Gajeel , she has been acting like al ittle girl coz no one would suspect her and giving info to FTs enemies

Yes i dont like over sweet ppl , Wendy should DIE [So should Meldy]

[Igtenes]

There are a lot of interesting theories here. :)
Does someone have a good idea as to why Wendy's age was included in her bio cover, but in Natsu's and Gajeel's bios they weren't.
I thought this was strange since Wendy is also a "real" dragon slayer, why only keep Natsu and Gajeel ages a mystery?

[ghostexiled]

probably cause she actually has a past (sorta). We saw her when she was recused by Mistogun and then given to the ghost tribe.

So since she is the freshest of the bunch... which also accounts for her inexperience with DS.

Where as when we saw Natsu... there really was no mention of him not really knowing how to use his DS power.

[danaholland]

I def like the theory about zeref and I think it makes a lot of sense.

[Zancrow]

whats with the dragon slayers second names? igneel might have named natsu but where does dragneel come from or where does redfox come from ? why didnt the dragons named the DS like natsu igneel or gajeel metalicana ? maybe the dragon had some kind of connections with a human and they somehow gave birth to the DS and they adopted their human parents surnames? and maybe all of the ds human parent died when they were born ? imagine Grandine giving birth to wendy but unlikely lol

[MAX_COLA_POWER!]

Their purpose? To kick ass and chew bubblegum, and they have enough bubblegum to last them for ages ;).

[White Silver King]

Does someone have a good idea as to why Wendy's age was included in her bio cover, but in Natsu's and Gajeel's bios they weren't.

Uh oh, me thinks Mashima mades a boo-boo.

[Distantgeek]

Besides of course being the main character in a shounen :P

Just seems to me that his strength is fueled by his rage / emotion, reflecting fire.

Wendy is gentle like the wind. Gajeel is cold as steel but solid and unbreakable.

Thoughts?

and hello! First night on the forums ^_^

[Newkerzy]

If Zeref IS a DS, and his element is dark, then I'd say his personality of distancing himself from everything reflects loneliness and darkness. So yeah, it really fits his traits.

[ravaha]

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v19/c160/1.html

Dragon force is supposed to be the power of a dragon and unstoppable AKA destroys everything. This is stated by Zero and his archive magic probably gave him that info.

Zero was completely owning Natsu, but that was because Natsu wasnt using the technique right until the end. But this also means that Zero is far stronger than Jella, who couldnt handle Natsu who wasnt using DF correctly at all.
I wonder if Makarov or Hades can take on that attack from Natsu?


http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v20/c161/5.html

and the next few pages show Natsu using DF corectly to completely obliterate the strongest spell that has been shown in the manga. Thats debatable of course, but it is definitely top 3.

It doesnt matter what spell is used on DF Natsu because Dragon Force has the ability to destroy everything (including any spell thrown at him) and anyone.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/1.html

Wendy's dragon states that Wendy and Natsu had a previous relationship that was not to fond of each other, and that maybe this time around they will have a good relationship. This would mean Natsu and Wendy were most likely reborn or something into new bodies just like Zeref. Same thing with Gazeel.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/1.html

Also they speak of meeting at a dragon king feast which sounds prety cool.

So if you compile all this information. Their is no doubt whatsoever that Natsu, Wendy, Zeref, Gazeel, and other DS were reborn into this world after some big incident.

I mean Gazeel and Natsu cant go through a barrier because they are over the age of 80( according tot he barrier). Zeref knows Natsu, and knows Natsu is the only mage that can destroy him. And Wendy's dragon states that Natsu and Wendy had a previous relationship and that they are going to meet again and hopefully their relationship goes better this time around.

I dont know if this info has been put together already or not before on these forums, but it does leave little doubt that The spell that is keeping Zeref in his dormant state is also keeping Natsu,Gazille, and Wendy in their dormant states.

My theory is that Natsu, Gazille, and Wendy will all get their powers unlocked when Zeref has his powers unlocked. Although it is wierd that Zeref is the only one of them that can remember the past. Maybe they did that so when he grows up he will know who he does not want to become? I expect that they will get 3xor more strength onces their powers are unsealed? It took 3 of them to kill a fake dragon, and even then they were out of magic power.

Maybe Natsu was able to draw on this power after he ate Etherion and the Flame of Rebuke? Maybe those 2 substances were able to temporally unseal Natsu's powers and allow him to use his Dragon Force? I also do not think that they will recover their previous personalities because they were sort of reborn. I think Zeref will remain the same, except his powers will be through the roof.

It does seem that if you review all of the information that Author has provided and hinted to, that Mashima is not pulling wins out of nowhere for Natsu, he has planned all along for Natsu to be the strongest mage in the manga. And According to Zeref Natsu might have already previously been the strongest mage in the world. Zeref is only referred to as the strongest evil mage in the manga, not the strongest mage. There is a big difference. I wonder who the strongest good mage was?
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EDIT: JUST FOUND THIS IMPORTANT DETAIL:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v19/c160/3.html

Doesnt it seam weird that earlier i said their powers would triple,when their powers are unsealed, and after Natsu ate the flame of rebuke he feels like his powers have tripled. I mean it took exactly 3 dragon slayers to kill the FAKE dragon in edolas, which i would think means they have at least 1/3 their power sealed away. It was also strange that Natsu had significantly less magical power than the fake dragon slayers and had to rely on secret techniques that he was taught by igneel to defeat the fake DS.
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I think It is going to be awesome if Mashima follows my theory :)... I was right about my Kuma/Revolutionary/Garp theory and it turned out to be 100% accurate........

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http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v06/c046/12.html

It seems That Ur didnt use half her power when she fought Natsu the first time and that Gerrard had some plans for him that did not include him fighting him in the tower of heaven.. Which means Gerrard knows there is something special about Natsu that also has yet to be revealed.

Also Urtear is not able to fight right now or even carry Zeref so she will be far worse than half strength when NAtsu finds her and defeats her. What will happen if or when Zeref is in the hands of fairy tail and under their protection? Will hades eventually step in and own Natsu and Take Zeref and leave the rest of the 7 kin to get arrested?

[shuha27]

Do the artificial dragonslayer's magic count as lost magic?

[RaveDragon]

^i doubt it could count as lost magic since it is a magic that was artificially created in this era not almost forgotten and such

Zeref and the black dragon being connected would be a really cooll and now foreshadowed plot twist.


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Does someone have a good idea as to why Wendy's age was included in her bio cover, but in Natsu's and Gajeel's bios they weren't.
Uh oh, me thinks Mashima mades a boo-boo.

or maybe Natsu and gajeel are either older than they look or reincarnations or had been put to sleep while wendy is a fresh new DS.

[Darjaille]

or maybe Natsu and gajeel are either older than they look or reincarnations or had been put to sleep while wendy is a fresh new DS.
Nope, remember the talk between Igneel and Grandine? Natsu and Wendy know each other though they don't remember it, in the past, they hadn't good relationship.

On this topic, little cute Wendy - bad relationship with anyone? No way :D It's probably that DS grow up and then reborn/reincarnate.

[RaveDragon]

Nope, remember the talk between Igneel and Grandine? Natsu and Wendy know each other though they don't remember it, in the past, they hadn't good relationship.

On this topic, little cute Wendy - bad relationship with anyone? No way :D It's probably that DS grow up and then reborn/reincarnate.

Oh yes you're right then I gues i would go with the reincarnations or the sleeping for a long time we have seen it before so why not them
[hr]
I was thinking what if the dragons were actually humans? and they need the dragon slayers to turn them back from thier curse? like that story oneshot Mashima once wrote with the main guy who was turned into a dragon and the girl who was a Lucy look alike

[swordsaintscoot]

I've been thinking, what if natsu is the only dragno slayer of the 3 we know of (natsu, gazille, wendy) that is actually over 80?

wendy's age has bene given.

so far its onyl natsu and gazille that hasnt, but the rune...it had two rules, over 80 and stone can't pass through. natsu is the fire dragon so he's obviously not stone or any earth element material...but gazille is steel...

[Ifrit]

I've been thinking, what if natsu is the only dragno slayer of the 3 we know of (natsu, gazille, wendy) that is actually over 80?

wendy's age has bene given.

so far its onyl natsu and gazille that hasnt, but the rune...it had two rules, over 80 and stone can't pass through. natsu is the fire dragon so he's obviously not stone or any earth element material...but gazille is steel...

I wanted to know the answer of that for sooo long now...since the ep where they both couldn't get out Fried spell. And now we see that Zeref met Natsu...and Zeref is 400 years....ur right Wendy age is given...but when Natsu first heard her name...he told Gray that he know some1 named Wendy but can't remember ....so not sure Wendy also could be old maybe not same age Natsu n Gazille but still very old.

[ca12nag3]

It could also be realy simple. All the dragonslayers have a fusion or a part of the dragons that raised them. In essence the 80+ crap is due to this fusion.

As for Zeref remembering a Natsu. Its not said that he actualy knows him, its just that he recognizes him and says to him that he expected him to be strong enough to kill him but isnt(roughly).

Another option is that zeref and natsu as kids met due to their dragonparents meeting. < a option right.

So there are tons of ways to explain things there is no need to jump to conclusions yet.

Its just that Natsu aged normaly along with the other kids of FT, how can someone age normaly but be over 80 years old at that stage. The only way thats actualy explainable is that the dragonpart of them is what triggers the 80+ stuff

[swordsaintscoot]

I've often theorised that even the real dragon slayers have lachryma inside them, much like the fakes. Instead of making them over 80 it'd just mean they couldn't pass because they literally have stones inside them lol.

[Uriel]

Two years later, I read this thread. *slowpoke*

I think the link between the dragons is the most likely one, after the fight in Edolas when we saw all the dragons attacking the fake one we can assume there is a high chance of it.

Although I don't know why you guys says Zeref is a DS. Did I miss something? :O

[Ifrit]

Two years later, I read this thread. *slowpoke*

I think the link between the dragons is the most likely one, after the fight in Edolas when we saw all the dragons attacking the fake one we can assume there is a high chance of it.

Although I don't know why you guys says Zeref is a DS. Did I miss something? :O

mmm...I think why some think he's a DS is :

Someway he's connected to the Dragons..Zere was mentioned when Grandine n Igneel met !!

Zeref seem to know Natsu not heard about him...he met him be4 this is why he recognize Natsu face when he first saw him.

The Black dragon attacked Gildartz while doing the 100 year quest n caused him to fail it...might be the Zeref Dragons...so Zere is a Darkness dragon slayer

Zeref could be the boy who stare at the sea n also a FT member with the mark of FT on his shoulder just like Gajeel wendy n Natsu (all dragon slayers seems to have the mark there)

This is not what I think...just what others posted.

[Darjaille]

mmm...I think why some think he's a DS is :

Someway he's connected to the Dragons..Zere was mentioned when Grandine n Igneel met !!

Zeref seem to know Natsu not heard about him...he met him be4 this is why he recognize Natsu face when he first saw him.

The Black dragon attacked Gildartz while doing the 100 year quest n caused him to fail it...might be the Zeref Dragons...so Zere is a Darkness dragon slayer

Zeref could be the boy who stare at the sea n also a FT member with the mark of FT on his shoulder just like Gajeel wendy n Natsu (all dragon slayers seems to have the mark there)

This is not what I think...just what others posted.

+ you can see sharp teeth on some pictures, just like wendy, gajeel and natsu sometimes have

[Uriel]

Well, I read everything on this thread. EPIC ideas has come from here. Although I still don't see Zeref as a DS.
If I'm not mistaken, Hades described something as the source of magic and was mention some times that every magic has the same source or the same origin at least. Maybe the strongest magic are closer to the core of magic.
I think Zeref is somewhat the closer to that core of magic.

Maybe Urtear is the one that made Hades young with her magic, and somewhat this girl is close to the core as well. I don't know, I think it's just too simple for her to be the daughter of Ur and nothing else. Anyway, that's only a branch of this riddle that don't necessarily fits DS directly.

And well, as I was saying...The core of magic is the place where Humans take their magic. And this is where DS are so important...Their magic comes from their Dragons, from a completely different place. Maybe the same core, but a completely different branch or even closer to it being part of nature.
I think this because what Cobra said, the reason why Zeref only believe in Natsu, the barrier...Almost everything points that Natsu and the rest of the Dragons are different from the other magic.

[ca12nag3]

The thing is there is never any mention of what Zeref is, only that he got to the source of magic. There is no law that states dragonslayers cannot do anything but roar and stomp like dragons :P.

Zeref has the link to Natsu knowing him. Also he has the fangs. Serious fangs. His magic is all named black black black. And then there is the Black dragon that Gildartz encounterd.

Giving all this its in the likelyhood that Zeref is the Black dragonslayer. However he is most likely much stronger and has more magical abilities then just being a slayer (if he is one).

Also this gets the entire Zeref + dragon disapearing storylines intwined. So its not in the lvl of impossibilities.

Well just have to wait and see ^^

[lordoffantasy]

The thing is there is never any mention of what Zeref is, only that he got to the source of magic. There is no law that states dragonslayers cannot do anything but roar and stomp like dragons :P.

Zeref has the link to Natsu knowing him. Also he has the fangs. Serious fangs. His magic is all named black black black. And then there is the Black dragon that Gildartz encounterd.

Giving all this its in the likelyhood that Zeref is the Black dragonslayer. However he is most likely much stronger and has more magical abilities then just being a slayer (if he is one).

Also this gets the entire Zeref + dragon disapearing storylines intwined. So its not in the lvl of impossibilities.

Well just have to wait and see ^^

i disagree. dragon slayers seem have secret powers, for there is definitely more to a dragon than raw power. i mean, didn't one do a force ghost type to talk to igneel?
no, zeref is not a dragon slayer. he does not EAT anything i can see. how he has existed is simply that he is fairy tail's voldemort. going os deeply into twisted magic he can't even age. never expected him to be a frail looking dude like that. was expecting a big evil old wizard or somethin. hell, i think he must have literally been possessed by whatever he found. he sounds horrified by the thought of awakening again.

[Ifrit]

i disagree. dragon slayers seem have secret powers, for there is definitely more to a dragon than raw power. i mean, didn't one do a force ghost type to talk to igneel?
no, zeref is not a dragon slayer. he does not EAT anything i can see. how he has existed is simply that he is fairy tail's voldemort. going os deeply into twisted magic he can't even age. never expected him to be a frail looking dude like that. was expecting a big evil old wizard or somethin. hell, i think he must have literally been possessed by whatever he found. he sounds horrified by the thought of awakening again.

+ the reasons above of why ppl think he's Dragon Slayer. Zeref being a Dragon slayer is not that hard to believe. We could be wrong but ...we didn't exactly seen Zeref fighting yet so we don't know if he's one or not. btw don't forget the "AGE " thing Zeref is very old like 400 + ...Natsu n Gajeel are expected to be 80 + also ...they both couldn't get out of Fried spell. So the idea of Zeref being a Dragon slayer is not unlikely. I didn't think of it be4 but after I read this thread linking events it actually might be true. But just like what " ca12nag3 " said we have to wait and see :)

[RaveDragon]

I think you're right

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/9.html

what Grandine said here about wendy meeting Natsu and actually having a friendly relationship THIS TIME

so The DS meet and they were not on the same side...

[Quantized]

The current chapter discussion thread was getting a bit off topic on this subject, so thought continuing the discussion here would be better instead of going more astray of the topic elsewhere.

So, what exactly is Natsu and the other Dragon slayers...? Lets get some hypotheses and theories going (:

Facts we know of:
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7223-14/fairy-tail/chapter-108.html
Natsu's ... ahem... age problem.... KA-BO--NK!!

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v20/c166/17.html
"Humans can't go against that thing, but perhaps a dragon can make it"

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v20/c166/18.html
"If Natsu, one day..."

http://www.mangareader.net/135-40441-8/fairy-tail/chapter-161.html
When using his powers to his so far best potential, a dragon appears and scares the the living hell out of whoever Natsu is fighting.

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7238-18/fairy-tail/chapter-123.html
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/258/20
The obvious, but fact anyway, there are many other Dragon Slayers around.
So far we know of 5 authentic Dragon Slayers, 6 if including Zeref assuming his also a dragon slayer. Laxus is not a pure Dragon Slayer, but one could say he's the 7th if you like.

Thoughts...? What do you think a Dragon Slayer truly is...? What are they cable of...? Your ideas! :)

[Schabrak]

Please check you links, second and third aren't working, will edit it to a real post afterwards.

[Quantized]

There you go, all links should be working now :)
Apparently the two links broke as I copied it from my earlier post, but just in case I took new links from another manga site, so link two and third should work as well now.

Cheers!

[ravaha]

I think they were all reborn into this world under certain circumstances. Zeref (stuck on Tenrou Island) The door could contain the true magical power of Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel. IT could also be a gateway to the dragons hiding place.

1. The prophecy is obviously all based on Natsu. Maybe he has to reach a certain point and he will regain his powers and memories?

A dragon slayer IMO is Natsu is his Dragon Force mode. They are supposed to have the power of a dragon.

Here is a theory i made from over a year ago and i think it still holds up.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v19/c160/3.html

Dragon force is supposed to be the power of a dragon and unstoppable AKA destroys everything. This is stated by Zero and his archive magic probably gave him that info.

Zero was completely owning Natsu, but that was because Natsu wasnt using the technique right until the end. But this also means that Zero is far stronger than Jella, who couldnt handle Natsu who wasnt using DF correctly at all.
I wonder if Makarov or Hades can take on that attack from Natsu?

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v20/c161/6.html

and the next few pages show Natsu using DF corectly to completely obliterate the strongest spell that has been shown in the manga. Thats debatable of course, but it is definitely top 3.

It doesnt matter what spell is used on DF Natsu because Dragon Force has the ability to destroy everything (including any spell thrown at him) and anyone.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/9.html

Wendy's dragon states that Wendy and Natsu had a previous relationship that was not to fond of each other, and that maybe this time around they will have a good relationship. This would mean Natsu and Wendy were most likely reborn or something into new bodies just like Zeref. Same thing with Gazeel.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/11.html

Also they speak of meeting at a dragon king feast which sounds prety cool.

So if you compile all this information. Their is no doubt whatsoever that Natsu, Wendy, Zeref, Gazeel, and other DS were reborn into this world after some big incident.

I mean Gazeel and Natsu cant go through a barrier because they are over the age of 80( according tot he barrier). Zeref knows Natsu, and knows Natsu is the only mage that can destroy him. And Wendy's dragon states that Natsu and Wendy had a previous relationship and that they are going to meet again and hopefully their relationship goes better this time around.

I dont know if this info has been put together already or not before on these forums, but it does leave little doubt that The spell that is keeping Zeref in his dormant state is also keeping Natsu,Gazille, and Wendy in their dormant states.

My theory is that Natsu, Gazille, and Wendy will all get their powers unlocked when Zeref has his powers unlocked. Although it is wierd that Zeref is the only one of them that can remember the past. Maybe they did that so when he grows up he will know who he does not want to become? I expect that they will get 3xor more strength onces their powers are unsealed? It took 3 of them to kill a fake dragon, and even then they were out of magic power.

Maybe Natsu was able to draw on this power after he ate Etherion and the Flame of Rebuke? Maybe those 2 substances were able to temporally unseal Natsu's powers and allow him to use his Dragon Force? I also do not think that they will recover their previous personalities because they were sort of reborn. I think Zeref will remain the same, except his powers will be through the roof.

It does seem that if you review all of the information that Author has provided and hinted to, that Mashima is not pulling wins out of nowhere for Natsu, he has planned all along for Natsu to be the strongest mage in the manga. And According to Zeref Natsu might have already previously been the strongest mage in the world. Zeref is only referred to as the strongest evil mage in the manga, not the strongest mage. There is a big difference. I wonder who the strongest good mage was?
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EDIT: JUST FOUND THIS IMPORTANT DETAIL:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v19/c160/3.html

Doesnt it seam weird that earlier i said their powers would triple,when their powers are unsealed, and after Natsu ate the flame of rebuke he feels like his powers have tripled. I mean it took exactly 3 dragon slayers to kill the FAKE dragon in edolas, which i would think means they have at least 1/3 their power sealed away. It was also strange that Natsu had significantly less magical power than the fake dragon slayers and had to rely on secret techniques that he was taught by igneel to defeat the fake DS.
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I think It is going to be awesome if Mashima follows my theory ... I was right about my Kuma/Revolutionary/Garp theory and it turned out to be 100% accurate........

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http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fairy_tail/v06/c046/12.html
It seems That Ur didnt use half her power when she fought Natsu the first time and that Gerrard had some plans for him that did not include him fighting him in the tower of heaven.. Which means Gerrard knows there is something special about Natsu that also has yet to be revealed

[crimsonlink310]

I think that there are some other Dragon Slayers yet to be reveled to the world. A Water Dragon Slayer and one more Dragon Slayer of a certain element. I'm guessing Earth. I'm 90% sure that a Water Dragon Slayer will be introduced later on in the series. I dunno about the last one though, it might just be 4 Dragon Slayers.

I do like your theory and I agree with most of it. Natsu not getting through the barrier is something to be alarmed about. Also I wonder if the new Dragon Slayers introduced are natural or lacrima grown Dragon Slayers.

[MONKEYS]

I think you're right

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/9.html

what Grandine said here about wendy meeting Natsu and actually having a friendly relationship THIS TIME

so The DS meet and they were not on the same side...

Actually, I think she was just referring to Gajeel.

The thing that has me the most confused is the fact that dragon slayers seem to be really old. Given that they were unable to escape from Fried's spell:
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7223-14/fairy-tail/chapter-108.html
I'm pretty sure he's not a statue (I don't get how that would even work), so he must be (chronologically) over 80.

My theory is that he, and the other dragon slayers, went into hibernation a long time ago (last airbender style :hee). I assume this was before Zeref fell from his evil dominance in the war (since Zeref knows Natsu by name).
All in all I'm getting a Resha Valentine/Elie (see Rave Master, Hiro Mashima's other manga) vibe from the DS's situation.

As to why they believe they were abandoned in the year 777, well, that's just because they were all programmed to wake up then (they were probably enchanted to awaken when a new threat arose).

Anyway, hopefully the double DS's of Sabretooth will be able to shed some light on the mystery once they get thoroughly beaten in this arc.

[dragons4life]

I think with the whole "Natsu and Gajeel not being able to go out of Freid's barrier" thing is that Natsu got his fire dragon power from Igneel and that fire dragon power is (I think) Igneel's lifeforce and Igneel is probably hundreds years old and since Natsu got Igneel's power/lifeforce. Natsu is maybe 17/18 years old but his magic is hundreds years old, because of Igneel.

Just a theory

[kkck]

If I recall, the rule was "people over 80 and statues cannot pass". At least if we take things literally then the lifeforce reason would not quite make sense as natsu would not be over 80 himself and the lifeforce would not technically be neither people nor a statue. Zeref seems to be personally acquainted with natsu though, it should be a strong indication that natsu was around 400 years ago.

[Ifrit]

it should be a strong indication that natsu was around 400 years ago.

I agree with you on this one. I like the idea of them not going out because of the magic they use, but I think kkck theory is more closer to the truth for more than just Natsu n Zeref. Grandine also said to Igneel that she hope Wendy n Natsu meet and better bonding will happen this time.

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7216-10/fairy-tail/chapter-101.html

This could mean that Natsu, Wendy, and Gajeel perhaps lived in another time where they weren't exactly fond of each other.

To be more clear. When Natsu first heard Wendy name he told Gray that he heard about that name, but he can't remember where.

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7248-6/fairy-tail/chapter-133.html

[Airgrimes]

I just wanna know, has it been made clear on the variety of elements that the Dragon Slayers are of?

Since we know Fire, Lightning, Wind, Metal, Poison, MUST exist but Poison I only know exists as an element in freaking Pokemon.

So suggesting their could possibly be 15+ Dragons isnt out there right?
Also, Ive been reading this story closely for many years so I dont think I missed this out, but was Acknowlodgia's element revealed?

[Ifrit]

I just wanna know, has it been made clear on the variety of elements that the Dragon Slayers are of?

Since we know Fire, Lightning, Wind, Metal, Poison, MUST exist but Poison I only know exists as an element in freaking Pokemon.

So suggesting their could possibly be 15+ Dragons isnt out there right?
Also, Ive been reading this story closely for many years so I dont think I missed this out, but was Acknowlodgia's element revealed?

I don't think Acknowlogia element was revealed, but if you need a hint look at Zeref Magic.

Dark Light maybe ?

About how many dragons. I read theories here some people say that since there is a lightning Lachryma n Posion Lachryma then there must be a Dragon for each one. Also means that there was a REAL DRAGON SLAYER WHO SLAYED THEM TO GET THOSE.

The question is"Is Mashima planing on going this far?" If the manga stayed for long. I'm sure it will go this far.

With how things are going now. If Laxus transferring his Lachryma to Natsu theory did not work, and it gets taken from him. By the end of this Arc. opening the gate to the Dragons world "Zeref World". Who knows maybe Laxus will meet the real Lightning Dragon.

Problem there is a lot of theories none can be reliable or close from truth, because not a single hint was given about this matter.

[kkck]

Well, if zeref is indeed the DS trained by acknologia then we have a pretty good clue of what his element is. His magic was called living magic or something and we saw zeref absorb life from others. In this regard zeref's element, as lame as it sounds, is likely something like life or souls. If the whole one magic thing is actually related to the whole thing then his element itself is magic though.

[Rarhyx]

atm there are only 3 "real ds-elements"
laxus and that poisen guy have just the dragon lachryma without the elements
normally laxus is a lightning mage infused with dragon powers, same goes for that poisen guy.
while sting and rogue got trained by dragons (with elements) they are real DS who increased their power with dragon lachryma(without elements).

About zeref: dunno if he is a ds or not.

[Ifrit]

while sting and rogue got trained by dragons (with elements) they are real DS who increased their power with dragon lachryma(without elements).

Says who ?

You don't believe that those 2 jokers actually killed a dragon do you ? Judging form the people who was participating in the tournament the past 7 years. They did not even met Jura or Kagura or even Raven Tail...hell they did not even met Lyon....So who was competing with them ?

Sting n Rouge gonna get their asses handed to them..just wait...

P.S (Remember Zancrow. He thought HADES was a GOD, so the idiot was convinced that a GOD trained him.)

[Rarhyx]

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/18

I think they didn't really "kill" a true dragon, more some kind of illusion or someone from edolas.
And I think it was just one person/"dragon" who taught them instead of two persons/"dragons"
(http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/19) "we destroyed it" instead of "we destroyed them".

maybe dragons can't really die, instead of dying they disappear for a specific time period and then come back/revive (like a phoenix)

[Airgrimes]

atm there are only 3 "real ds-elements"
laxus and that poisen guy have just the dragon lachryma without the elements
But surely then an actual dragon for those elements exist no?



normally laxus is a lightning mage infused with dragon powers, same goes for that poisen guy.
So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

[Rarhyx]

But surely then an actual dragon for those elements exist no?

Imo they don't exist.
atm we only know about 4 real dragons.


So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

When he got dragon lacryma implanted and train a bit to get used to it, then yes.

[THM Nindo]

So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

Well, if he had a Ice Dragon Lacryma, he certainly could.
But, I doubt it would happen.

Even if right now, I find that Gray is falling behind in importance in the manga...
(Let's be honest, he's not as important as Lucy and Wendy... and even Gajeel seems more important than him now...)

Although, that would really make him the best rival for Natsu...
Fire dragon vs Ice dragon.

But, in any case, I don't consider the fake-DS as being important.
They are just wannabes...

The real ones are only Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel.

[kkck]

Well, sting and rogue are also very real DS so I would argue they are every bit as important to the plot as natsu, wendy and gajeel. Their DS lachrima is a pretty good supplement though.

As for the importance of DS lachrima users... I don't think they will be unimportant in the end. Ultimately their magic is very real and works to the same effect as actual DS magic. granted there might be some unknown perks to real DSs however as far as simply using the magic I don't think there will be many differences. Maybe something with dragon force or whatnot.

Also, I doubt it was ever said laxus was was a lightning mage with dragon slayer lachrima. The manga has stated laxus can also use a number of other elements, under that logic laxus would be an all element DS. I think the lachrima laxus has is specifically for DS lightning magic which is also why natsu got DS lightning magic.

[THM Nindo]

What I meant by importance is "importance to the plot".
The story pretty much revolve around the disappearance of the dragon 7 years ago (now 14 years ago).

And Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel are looking for the dragon that raised them.
That makes them really important to the plot.

I know that Sting and Rogue are true DS as well, because they have cats with them too.
But, I don't feel that they will have the same importance as those three, since they don't seem to share the same love for the dragons.

I guess it's not impossible that they will change mind and that they will join FT in the end though...

[NAM61]

i think natsu somehow became like sting and rogue after eating what laxus gave him to fight hades. i think sting and rogue will have to elements like natsu. one from their dragon and one form the lachrima. i think we will find out soon laxus accidentally gave part of his or all of it to natsu.

[Tame]

The number 7 has some apparent significance for the dragons; they disappeared 7 years ago (now 14 years ago) on 7/7/X777 etc. Anyone think that there might be (or have been) a total of seven dragons? Or seven dragons besides the Dragon King or something like that?

In response to some of the views expressed on this most recent page:
Yes, potentially there could be 15+ types of Dragon Slayer Magic (either 1st or 2nd Generations). For example, there may be any of the following:
Water
Blood
Ice
Snow
Lava
Light
Earth
Stone
Wood/Plants
Paper
Wax

I don't think that there's necessarily a dragon corresponding to each element of 2nd Generation Dragon Slayer, but there could be.

I think 2nd Gen. DSes have a Dragon Lachryma implanted in them that corresponds to their particular element. So, for example, Laxus, even if he knows many different types of elemental magic (I don't remember it ever mentioning that he does), he can only use Lightning Dragon Slayer Magic. So yes, Gray could use Ice Dragon Slayer Magic if he was infused with Ice Dragon Lachryma. But I really don't see that happening.

Story-wise I don't think 2nd Gen. DSes are going to be as important as 1st or 3rd Gens because they have no connection to the Dragons (and the Dragons are one of the big mysteries of the series; at some point that mystery is going to come to the forefront of the story). They're just an excuse for Mashima to show us different types of bad-ass, awesome-to-see Magic (let's face it, plot importance aside, seeing Laxus fight is damn entertaining) and there's nothing wrong with that. That's not to say that their Magic is any less "real" than non-artificial DSes (though personally if I lived in the FT 'verse I wouldn't want someone jamming Lachryma inside me, even if it did give me DS powers. I'd feel like a cheat, though I wouldn't judge others who did it).

I also think that Gajeel's back-story might be explored in this arc; every arc from Galuna Island onwards has delved into one or more characters' backgrounds;
Galuna Island: Gray
Phantom Lord: Lucy (her's has been covered elsewhere too, though there are still things that have yet to be explored fully, mainly about her mother.)
Loke Arc: Erm... can't remember...
Tower of Heaven: Erza
Fighting Festival: Laxus
Oracion Seis: Wendy
Edolas: Happy and the other Exceeds, Mystogan
Tenrou Island: Cana

Rogue and Sting are prominent in this arc and Rogue has some specific interest in Gajeel, which is why my bets are on Gajeel being the one whose background is explored this arc.

[Uriel]

Cana? Tenrou was mostly about Zeref and his relationship with Natsu IMHO.

[Tame]

Cana? Tenrou was mostly about Zeref and his relationship with Natsu IMHO.

I agree that Cana's backstory wasn't central to the Tenrou Island Arc, but you can't say that her past wasn't explored pretty much fully during it. I don't agree that Zeref and Natsu's relationship was central either however, since it was only hinted at and we still have no solid information about the nature of that relationship, but that's beside the point.

I remembered yesterday that 100 Exceeds were sent to eliminate the Dragon Slayers, indicating that there may be as many as 100 Dragon Slayers (assuming that there is one Exceed per Dragon Slayer; the Edolas people may have sent more than Exceeds than there are Dragon Slayers to increase the chances of success).

[kkck]

The story about sending exceed to destroy the DS's was a lie though. They sent the cats to earthland so that the exceed race may continue after the destruction of their floating islands in edolas, the whole thing about DSs was but a ploy. It is a pretty big coincidence (so far) that every real DS has an exceed companion though.

[dragons4life]

I have been thinking this through and after thoroughly reading the theories i have come up with several theories to back your well thought out theories.

1. Since Mashima likes to make similarities from Rave Master in Fairy Tail the whole Natsu and Gajeel not being able to go through Fried's runes is because like Resha/Elie they trained with their dragon parent about 400 years ago (that's how Zeref knows Natsu) and went into deep slumber and woke up 7/7/X777

2. Also the with Zeref not living up to his nickname Black/Dark Mage Zeref is because of he was infected of Nirvana. The old ghost dude said that he created Nirvana 400 years ago so that probably means that the Nirvit tribe used the power on Zeref and he turned into the Zeref we know in the Tenroujima arc, not in the Galuna or Lullaby arc. So that is probably when Natsu, Gajeel and maybe Wendy too fell into this deep slumber and woke up on that day.

3. I believe that Zeref is a DS. Mainly because of the image on ch. 208 page 15 the bottom panel.

4. This is actually not a theory I'm just stating that Sting is going mad with power after rereading the current ongoing arc and I say he is a douchebag! But not Rogue, he got my respect in chapter 281 after that socalled guildmaster Gemma fired poor Yukina because of one measly stupid loss (I know this isn't the right thread but I just wanted to lift it out of my chest:mad)

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[Rarhyx]

well maybe when sting and rogue will become (maybe) FT Members, he will change (or after some other incident).
I mean lookt at Gajeel and Laxus, they changed by 180° the first time we saw 'em.
(also Gerard, Urtear, Meredy, Leon, etc.)

[dragons4life]

I'm not entirely sure if Sting can switch sides because he is going mad with power. He doesn't even care for anyone. I mean, he could have felt sorry for Yukina because she was her nakama but nooo he just had to say she was weak and got along with it. He is just so freaking cocky!!!!!:nerve
I was hated Rogue the first time I saw him and found more about how he killed his dragon parent but after with Yukina he earned my respect for cheering up that idiot little exeed Froch.:thumbs I think he will most likely go and join Fairy Tail after Sting gets his ass beat up by Natsu :)

[Rarhyx]

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7175-13/fairy-tail/chapter-60.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7176-18/fairy-tail/chapter-61.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7177-19/fairy-tail/chapter-62.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7178-17/fairy-tail/chapter-63.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7162-17/fairy-tail/chapter-47.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7162-21/fairy-tail/chapter-47.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7161-17/fairy-tail/chapter-46.html

does gazeel look there, how he is now?
at that point nobody thought of gazille joining FT.

Or Laxus, when he went on a rampage.
Pretty much a different character now.

http://www.mangareader.net/135-7238-16/fairy-tail/chapter-123.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7239-13/fairy-tail/chapter-124.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7239-18/fairy-tail/chapter-124.html

[SerpentTailedAngel]

I'm not entirely sure if Sting can switch sides because he is going mad with power. He doesn't even care for anyone. I mean, he could have felt sorry for Yukina because she was her nakama but nooo he just had to say she was weak and got along with it. He is just so freaking cocky!!!!!:nerve
I was hated Rogue the first time I saw him and found more about how he killed his dragon parent but after with Yukina he earned my respect for cheering up that idiot little exeed Froch.:thumbs I think he will most likely go and join Fairy Tail after Sting gets his ass beat up by Natsu :)

Actually, Sting does show some degree of understanding for the who comrades thing. His first appearance has him looking down on a dark guild for abandoning their allies. Plus, he's been at the top for a while now, so he's either already mad, or it's not gonna happen. It seems especially unlikely when he pretty much had a wtf face at least once per chapter since Natsu started rampaging in his hotel-he knows he's not the most powerful one there. He's not a wizard saint, and even Jura didn't score over 9000 (sorry).

He seems to think more highly of the idea of Saber Tooth being on top then he does of any one individual though. He warned Yukino not to disgrace the guild ahead of time and she not only lost but bet her life on the match and had to be shown mercy (It was the bet/mercy that got her kicked out, btw) He needs a wake up call before he can make the mandatory dragon slayer switch to Fairy Tail, but it's completely doable.

[dragons4life]

Yeah, but you can see him shaking in exitement and laughing that evil laugh "kukuku" after Natsu went rampaging at Sabertooth. Plus he doesn't care about anything else but Natsu and did you see him after Chariot? He totally didn't care about nakama there when he said "that is just trash" after Natsu said that heartmoving speach about his nakama!

As for Gajeel and Laxus. Gajeel actually cared for his nakama from Phantom Lord but never actually admitted that, you can see him smiling when he finds out about Totomaru. Laxus is the same as everybody else in Fairy Tail, because he was like Natsu only worse when he started The Battle of Fairy Tail, 'cuz in the end of that arc when he released Fairy Law nobody got hurt, because he always cared for his nakama.

Natsu is gonna beat Sting half to death if Sting goes into Fairy Tail and starts caring for his nakama. And if (just IF) Sting gets his wake up call and joins Fairy Tail I will put a sexy image of Sting as my profile picture

[Rarhyx]

well defendeing someone whose character already changed is way easier then someone we know almost nothing.
and gazille carrying for his namaka?
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7162-17/fairy-tail/chapter-47.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7164-4/fairy-tail/chapter-49.html
(mid right panel)
http://www.mangareader.net/135-7174-7/fairy-tail/chapter-59.html
really?

after rereading this pages/chapters, Sting reminds of the old gazille, when he was still in Phantom.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

Natsu is gonna beat Sting half to death if Sting goes into Fairy Tail and starts caring for his nakama. And if (just IF) Sting gets his wake up call and joins Fairy Tail I will put a sexy image of Sting as my profile picture

Thus far the only dragon slayer not to end up in Fairy Tail and at least develop tsundere-esk nakama qualities was an artificial slayer working for a dark guild. When it comes time, I recommend you find a colored version of him waking up shirtless.

Edit: Also, Sting beating beaten silly just about guarantees he goes to Fairy Tail. For the sake of drama the Natsu/Sting fight will be the deciding factor in who wins the tournament. He's already been warned that he'll be punished if he screws up again. If he loses and gets kicked out, having been in the number 1 guild up until now, he's likely to try to go to the new number 1 guild, which happens to have his formal idol turned worthy opponent.

[SlayerKisame]

I am not sure I want to see every DS introduced join Fairy Tail. I just about lost it when Gajeel joined and I wasn't a fan when Wendy had been in a fake guild for years. I know Sting and Rogue will probably get kicked out (or leave) if they lose the tournament, but I think it's time that Mashima forges a different path for them. Don't get me wrong, I think having every DS in Fairy Tail would be pretty cool on paper and would probably permanently make them #1 guild in Fiore. But I think it's already cliche and would be better for Sting/Rogue to both find a guild outside of Fiore that fits them better.

[Shadow Limiter]

Though this may have been discussed before, but is it possible that the reason the Dragon Slayers are weak to transportation (i.e., having motion sickness), is because they lack the wings like a real Dragon have.

I mean if we consider that the wings of a Dragon actually helps them stay in balance with the things around, then the DS Magic users would obviously feel difficulty in someway because even if there bodies have similar consistency to that of a Dragon the still lack the wings to keep them in balance.

Maybe this is also the reason that when Exceeds use there wings to help the DS fly around, it doesn't cause problem to them as they are moving is with the help of wings.
Though this part of the theory doesn't hold that much support because other than Natsu no one has used the help of the Exceed to fly around that much. Well Gazelle had flown with Happy's help but it was recently proven that he was not as experienced as a DS as Natsu was. On the other hand Wendy has flown with Charlie but it seems she is most likely immune to that effect as she is technically the medical specialist of the DS (and is able to use spell which can cure that problem temporarily).

Well there maybe a possibility that the Exceeds may have a connection to the Dragons (thats why they make good pairing with the Dragon Slayer's) but we aren't sure about that yet.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

Going with the reason Mashima made up on the spot for why Gajeel had previously been okay with transportation, I think Wendy will probably get motion sick too once she's a little more experienced with DS magic.

[kkck]

Though this may have been discussed before, but is it possible that the reason the Dragon Slayers are weak to transportation (i.e., having motion sickness), is because they lack the wings like a real Dragon have.

I mean if we consider that the wings of a Dragon actually helps them stay in balance with the things around, then the DS Magic users would obviously feel difficulty in someway because even if there bodies have similar consistency to that of a Dragon the still lack the wings to keep them in balance.

Maybe this is also the reason that when Exceeds use there wings to help the DS fly around, it doesn't cause problem to them as they are moving is with the help of wings.
Though this part of the theory doesn't hold that much support because other than Natsu no one has used the help of the Exceed to fly around that much. Well Gazelle had flown with Happy's help but it was recently proven that he was not as experienced as a DS as Natsu was. On the other hand Wendy has flown with Charlie but it seems she is most likely immune to that effect as she is technically the medical specialist of the DS (and is able to use spell which can cure that problem temporarily).

Well there maybe a possibility that the Exceeds may have a connection to the Dragons (thats why they make good pairing with the Dragon Slayer's) but we aren't sure about that yet.

Actually that makes a lot of sense, I really like that theory. It fits way to perfectly to say the least. I don't think it is a matter of how experienced someone is though. As far as we know gajeel has been a DS for as long as natsu at least. Laxus could have easily been a DS for even longer. I think it would be more of a matter of to what extent the user has acquired a dragon constitution which could easily be more of a varying factor between individuals.

[John 92]

about sting and rouge,they will definitely change,they are less "mad" than gajeel and laxus were,like somebody said,the drak guild and now fighting for lector shows it and rouge questioned sabertooth

there is a high chance they will join FT since gemma will probably kick them out when they lose,he already told sting he will give him one last chance

[Uriel]

I think it's not related to experience, but power. When you acquire certain power related to Dragon Slayering magic you start to feel motion sickness due the lack of wings.

I loved that theory, makes a lot of sense.

[Zancrow]

i really hope sting and rouge do not join fairy tail , if they did , the rest of the guild wont get much screen time , id rather see erza anyday over sting and rouge , but rouge's cat , fro , is too cute haha but i dont mind them over jellal cuz im sick of that guy ... or maybe they could join the guild but be travelling mages like how gildarts was when he wasnt in the guild much cuz he was doing that 100 year quest

[SerpentTailedAngel]

I don't think they could take much screentime from Erza. They'd be like Gajeel, occaisonally popping up for group scenes ad background jokes but only getting serious focus for things involving slayers

[THM Nindo]

I'm not sure I want them to join the guild.
I'd rather if they would be outside allies (kinda like Lyon, for example).

It certainly wouldn't be impossible though...
Especially if they are "true Dragon Slayers".

I mean... Makarov did say something about Porlyusica prophecy or something like that (can't find the link...)
I don't know if he was referring specifically to 3 Dragons slayers, or if it was more about having a lot of dragon slayers in Fariy Tail.

If it's the latter, it would make sense to have both Sting and Rogue joined the guild.

[Rarhyx]

Sting was raised by a Dragon, Weisslogia, who taught Sting White Dragon Slayer Magic.
Rogue was raised by a Dragon, Skiadrum, who taught him Shadow Dragon Slayer Magic.
source:
http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_Cheney
http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Sting_Eucliffe


Anyone knows where it was mentioned?

[kkck]

The way I see it ST would have to have some inherent changes in its policies if rogue and sting are meant to remain in it. Lector and frosh are weak exceed, that by default makes them incompatible with STs philosophy. More so, sting has not excuses left, if he loses here he is basically out. Rogue is basically disagreeing with how sabertooth works. I think that in the end sting and rogue will be revealed to carry the spirit of fairy tail and whatnot and end up there. Dunno to what extent they could just add them though. If all the main characters get a fight in any given arc then we are talking about a lot of fights lol. Well, that does not really happen though. Anyone noticed that with sting, rogue, natsu, gajeel, wendy, laxus and cobra there are in total 7 DSs in the series? I wonder if they will stop at that number....

[Rarhyx]

Anyone noticed that with sting, rogue, natsu, gajeel, wendy, laxus and cobra there are in total 7 DSs in the series?

yeah, but only 5 of them are "real" dragon slayers.
and it was only said they got dragon lacryma implanted and not lightning/poisen dragon lacryma.
maybe it's a mistranslation

[Schabrak]

Anyone knows where it was mentioned?
That's the conclusion from last weeks chapter (http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/19349560/22). Weisslogia for Sting because it's the german word for white. Skiadrum for Rouge, because skia is the greek word for shade.

edit[below]: That's part of the eleven pages of discussion. :P We don't know why Natsu was not allowed through the barrier, it seems like Igneel spoke to ghosts.

[Rarhyx]

Didn't see that at all...
And does that mean Natsu, Wendy and Gazeel are real dragons while Sting and Rogue are humans?
I assume it's Igneel who is talking there. And is he "really talking" to them personally or just to their "ghosts", when personally then Sting and Rogue are just posers 'bout killng a real dragon...

[kkck]

yeah, but only 5 of them are "real" dragon slayers.
and it was only said they got dragon lacryma implanted and not lightning/poisen dragon lacryma.
maybe it's a mistranslation

I don't particularly remember the manga specifying if dragon lachrima had an element, I might have just assumed that. Still, aren't dragon abilities biological as far as we know? If each dragon is biologically capable of an element then it would make sense the lachrima would also have said element.

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Now, about dragon force... I wonder if it really is something which should be surprising from a DS. Isn't that the ultimate form of the DS? The manga has described DF as the power of dragons so wouldn't it be expected that at some point all DS learn how to use said power? Now, the power was attributed to their third generation thing although I do think using lachrima and DS magic is kinda cheating here. Natsu has accessed DF before by means of consuming a butload of power(ethereon and flame of rebuke). My idea here is that entering DF is a matter of power and skill with DS magic. DS magic is all about making yourself more dragonlike. Basically having more power makes you in itself more dragonlike and being skillful with DS magic also makes you more dragonlike. Now, if being more dragonlike is the issue here then the effect lachrima has on sting and rogue is clear. Having the lachrima allows them to artificially become dragonlike enough for them to access DF with less power behind them. Now, the issue here is that second origin could perhaps be just enough for gajeel and natsu to access DF if there actually is a minimum amount of magic needed or that they are close enough for them to access it without things as extreme as flame of rebuke or ethereon. It would be interesting to see natsu or gajeel use DF now. With their current level they would perhaps be as strong as gildarts with DF.

[Rarhyx]

rethought the whole 7-dragon-element thing and noticed something:

we have 7 DS but only 5 of them are real ones (6 if zeref is also a DS)
and we have 6 Dragons: Igneel, Metalicana, Grandeeney, Acnologia, Weisslogia, Skiadrum (7 seven if the Dragon King is also a Dragon and not something else - I will laugh hard if plue is the dragon king xD)

so if mashima sticks with the 7 dragon thing then there isn't any poisen or lightning dragon.
if my theory is correct (and zeref is also a DS) then we have to see the 7th DS in upcoming arcs.

The 7th DS could also be trained by the Dragon King himself.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

I don't doubt that there is a dragon king's slayer, but I find it highly unlikely that a new character will be introduced with that role. If there really is a dragon king it will likely turn out to either be Acknologia or Igneel, and Zeref is the #1 candidate for Acknologia's slayer.

[dark angel KaRamo]

I think Natsu should just use Thunder Flame Dragon mode to beat Sting, because if Natsu uses DF now whats going to be the surprise if natsu has to fight the mysterious person with the magic like zeref. He's going to need some kinda edge of that fight if it's him, then again why is this mysterious person observing the Grand Magic Games every year?. Is that person looking for someone?, and is that person in fairy tail, because Zeref was looking for natsu to have Natsu destroy him in tenroujima arc.

[Shadow Limiter]

so if mashima sticks with the 7 dragon thing then there isn't any poisen or lightning dragon.

Well i would say that their are or were Poison and Lightning Dragon's, or else how did the Dragon Lacrima come into existence in the first place.

From what i understand about the Lacrima's, it is a crystalline object which has the power to store magical power inside itself (along with elemental properties, if it is included as well). Thats how the large Lacrima in the ToP was created using the Etherion's power or Laxus created the Lightning Lacrima for the usage of Thunder Palace.

So that means at some point in the past, those 2 Dragon's filled there elemental power inside the Lacrima Crystals to create the Dragon Lacrima's.

Now the only question is what are the conditions for a Dragon to create a Dragon Lacrima. Can they simply create them like Laxus was able to create Lightning Lacrima's or like Urtear was create hers or do they lose there life in creating the Lacrima (i.e., either they die after making the Lacrima or after they die there magical energy gets converted into the Lacrima).

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Now on the point of Dragon Force, i think the reason it is a surprising factor for a Dragon Slayer to activate it is because i believe it is something that would only activate when the DS is facing a real Dragon (of the same element as the DS).

I mean look at the times Natsu activated his DF, one time it was after he consumed Etherion Lacrima, and the next after he ate the Flame of Rebuke. Both of which are extremely powerful.

So, that means for a DS to enter DF state, he needs a high amount of powerful elemental magical energy (either from a spell or an item or object).

Now, if we think about it, Igneel's flames would obviously be more powerful and destructive than even the Flame of Rebuke or the Etherion Lacrima. So, if Natsu were to fight Igneel it would be quite easy for him to enter DF.

Now the question of why it is a surprising factor. Well first of all to activate the DF, as i said above, a highly powerful elemental magical energy is required. So, it obvious that it would be difficult to obtain as the more powerful a spell is the more power a user would need to use that spell. So, that leaves only a select few mages of the level of say around S-Class or above. So, that decreases the amount of people who could help in activating the DF directly for the DS.

Now if we take all those powerful mages, not everyone can use a powerful spell of a certain element. I mean even Makarov can use Fire type spells, but we haven't seen him help out Natsu by give him a powerful Fire Spell to eat, that means even though he can use Fire Spells he can't use the most powerful ones (like Flame of Rebuke) to help Natsu activate DF (i mean he should have the knowledge as to how to activate DF for Natsu).

This is also the reason why the 2nd Gen DS's DF looks much weaker than the ones of the 1st Gen DS. I mean in order to enter the DF state, they take in the power from the Dragon Lacrima inside them, which even though contains the power of a real Dragon isn't enough as the same Dragon Lacrima is being used to give the person DS abilities before entering the DF state (that means the Dragon Lacrima's power is being divided).

But in the case of 3rd Gen DS, the case would differ if what i said is true. Its because they already have turned themselves to DS before getting the Dragon Lacrima, that means the power of the Dragon Lacrima isn't divided and can help them enter DF state much easily and give them much higher level of power boost.

Well these are just my thought, which can be wrong easily. And sorry for the long post.

[Zancrow]

since natsu is a 1st generation dragon slayer , how old is he actually because mavis knows what dragon force is and mavis is actually older than makarov....

does that mean there were dragon slayers since long ago and what happened to them if they were ? and is natsu the first fire dragon slayer or were there others before him , maybe after you killed your dragon and gained their powers , you become a dragon yourself and train another dragon slayer to keep the dragon bloodline going

maybe natsu is born from a egg lol...

[Schabrak]

I can see Dragon Slayers turning into dragons when they use to much Dragon Force, which could limit the usage and make Natsu think about using it, not wanting to lose his ability to live and work with his friends. Not sure that I would want this theory to come into reality though.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

since natsu is a 1st generation dragon slayer , how old is he actually because mavis knows what dragon force is and mavis is actually older than makarov....

Um, just because someone is old doesn't mean that anything they know about is also that old. DS magic itself has been around for a while, but Sting and Rogue were stated to have been kids before the time skip, and they meet all the qualifications of a 1st gen. Mavis being old means nothing for Natsu's age. Also, the author has stated that he's not secretly over 80.


From what i understand about the Lacrima's, it is a crystalline object which has the power to store magical power inside itself (along with elemental properties, if it is included as well). Thats how the large Lacrima in the ToP was created using the Etherion's power or Laxus created the Lightning Lacrima for the usage of Thunder Palace.

So that means at some point in the past, those 2 Dragon's filled there elemental power inside the Lacrima Crystals to create the Dragon Lacrima's.

Now the only question is what are the conditions for a Dragon to create a Dragon Lacrima. Can they simply create them like Laxus was able to create Lightning Lacrima's or like Urtear was create hers or do they lose there life in creating the Lacrima (i.e., either they die after making the Lacrima or after they die there magical energy gets converted into the Lacrima).

We don't know for sure that it takes a dragon to make DS lacrima. In fact, Cobra's disbelief in the idea that dragons still exist would indicate that this isn't the case at all. It's been shown that lacrima starts leaking magic when damaged (Jellal's tower) and if dragons had been extinct then and lacrima would have started to drain from natural wear and tear.



Now on the point of Dragon Force, i think the reason it is a surprising factor for a Dragon Slayer to activate it is because i believe it is something that would only activate when the DS is facing a real Dragon (of the same element as the DS).
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Now, if we think about it, Igneel's flames would obviously be more powerful and destructive than even the Flame of Rebuke or the Etherion Lacrima. So, if Natsu were to fight Igneel it would be quite easy for him to enter DF.

I like that theory.


This is also the reason why the 2nd Gen DS's DF looks much weaker than the ones of the 1st Gen DS.

Don't agree with this part. Laxus didn't look that weak when it took Natsu and Gajeel teaming up and him having a freakout moment in order to be defeated.

[kkck]

How about this for a crackpot theory.... Assuming the dragon king is indeed an element, what sort of magic would he have? Earlier in the manga it was said that ethereon is made of a number of elements. What if the dragon king is an ethereon user?

[Uriel]

I thought the Dragon King was Ingeel. O-O

Also, the author has stated that he's not secretly over 80.
Where? :O

[SerpentTailedAngel]

It's in the Q&A section in the back of volume 15.

Question: So why is it that Natsu and Gajeel couldn't get out of the Jutsu-shiki trap?

Lucy: If I remember right, the rule went something like, "stone statues and people over 80 years old may not leave." Or something like that, I think.

Mira: there was also a hint in volume 4 and volume 13 when it mentioned that Natsu and Gajeel's ages were unknown.

Lucy: Eh!? But that sort of gives the answer away, doesn't it? Are you sure it's okay to say that!? That Natsu and Gajeel are both actually over 80 years old!?

Mira: Sorry. Wrong.

Lucy: Eh?

Mira: Beyond that would be revealing an important plot point, so I can't say anymore.

[Uriel]

Well, they can be older or reincarnated. Or stone statues for what matters.

xD

[SerpentTailedAngel]

Mira says they aren't over 80, so I don't think they can be older. Because Zeref knew Natsu I've been going with the reincarnation theory.

[Zancrow]

who is mira ? the voice actress ? mira isnt hiro mashima...

[DEATHBOTT]

who is mira ? the voice actress ? mira isnt hiro mashima...

mirajane, the satan soul user. i havn't read the quote. a link would be nice. if it is from the manga then those are the words of hiro mashima.

[Schabrak]

Words that the mangaka let's the characters say. Those are within the knowledge of the character, while Mashima is omnipotent, being the creater of the story.

We've seen Natsu grow from a kid to an young adult, we've got confirmation from Mashima that he's not as old as the Magic Festival barrier made him seem to be. I always imagines that he couldn't because his "magic" is such an old one.

[THM Nindo]

Well, maybe it's not Natsu that was old, but something on him...
I mean, we already know that the scarf is magical, and has a big link to Igneel.

Remember how it was the one to "be injured" with Zeref's black magic, instead of Natsu, and that it could be "healed" by Wendy, just as if it was a being.

So, maybe Natsu couldn't pass because of his scarf... Just a though...

As for Gajeel, well, does he have a memento from his dragon father?
Maybe all the piercings? (Well, he IS a metal dragon, after all! :tem)

[SerpentTailedAngel]

Well, they can be older or reincarnated. Or stone statues for what matters.

xD

Actually... now that I think about it, what the stone statue thing is why they couldn't pass through? Maybe Cobra was right about humans not really being able to learn DS magic. All the 1st/3rd gen slayers were raised by their dragons. Since long enough ago for them not to remember having human parents. So if the dragons planted lacryma in them at the time then they wouldn't know. The difference between the generations then becomes whether they were properly trained in using the lacryma once it was inside them, or if they just popped it in and figured everything out on their own. In 3rd gen's case it becomes how much lacryma they're running on. If the slayers had little bits of magic crystal imbedded in their body or flowing in their blood stream or however it works, then Freed's spell could have registered them as statues and blocked them for that reason.

[iRawrMix]

just an idea about the whole statue thing :O , i thought maybe the dragons made some sort of deal with zeref in exchange to make a living being [natsu & other DS] who will kill the evil dragons?? that would explain why zeref knows natsu and why natsu couldnt pass the barrier because hes actually made of zerefs magic which is very old, but yeah this is a very lame idea tho xD

[khaja_200923]

Pre Time Skip in year x784 http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/295/19 here Sting is at max 10 yrs old, and claims to have killed his dragon parent.
All The Dragons disappeared in year x777, so if he did defeated a dragon he must have done it before they had disappeared. At that time Sting and Rogue must have been 2 or 3 yrs old.
How the hell can a 3 yr old baby kill a mighty dragon. Moreover can babies even remember things from when they were 2/3 yr old. Much less the desire or motivation to kill someone..
Clearly they weren't lying when they said they killed their dragon parents to lecter, natsu & gajeel.
Then the obvious answer is that their memory of killing dragons is manipulated one.
-->Now to which point is their memory a manipulated one? who manipulated their memory?
and to what end?
Sting and Rogue are 1st gen dragon slayers who had dragon slayer magic lacrima inserted in them. so that means they have two dragon slayer magic’s in them yet they both each have one element only(holy and shadow). whereas when Natsu took Laxus magic he became lightning flame dragon slayer,so he has two elements(lightning, flame).this means that the lacrima Sting and Rogue had inserted in them must be of the same element as their original magic to supplement them. we know that dragon slayer magic lacrima is very rare magic and can amount to a fortune if need to buy/sold from Ivan dreyar wanting to take back implanted lacrima in Laxus.http://www.mangareader.net/135-7243-21/fairy-tail/chapter-128.html and we know of only 2 2nd gen dragon slayers(Laxus, Cobra).

Now here's the point what is the probability of getting implanted with very rare dragon slayer magic lacrima in a very rare dragon slayer magic user with the same element, its inconceivably small. Unless they are not 3rd gen dragon slayers but 2nd gen dragon slayers who had lacrima implanted in them in a special two step process instead of normal direct implantation, where the second part of the lacrima is implanted after the first part of lacrima became stable and grew in the user's body so that the magic lacrima can be used to it's full potential or exceed it's full potential. and the user is capable of using dragon force and easily using dragons slayer magic.

Their memory may also be implanted because if one thinks he is genuine he will show more power and progress when compared to one who know that he is fake or a human experiment(basic flaw in 2nd gen dragon slayers). their memory of killing dragons must be to provide them with superiority feelings,confidence over 1st gen dragon slayers, so that they themselves will strive to become stronger than those other dragon slayers who were not capable of killing dragons.:super

[Krono]

No, they were definitely trained by dragons, or we wouldn't have had Igneel noting them as being the creations of the white dragon Weisslogia, and the shadow dragon Skiadram.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

^ That.

Also, they said that their dragons didn't disappear on July 7 777. It's never stated if they killed them before then or if the dragons hung around. Considering that they were, at most, 5 at the time I'd believe it if they didn't leave. My personal theory was actually that another dragon had attacked them for not leaving, and they put the dragons out of their misery afterward.

By the way... the poll options...

[khaja_200923]

No, they were definitely trained by dragons, or we wouldn't have had Igneel noting them as being the creations of the white dragon Weisslogia, and the shadow dragon Skiadram.
you are right, i didn't understood what igneel was trying to tell until now. http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/293/22
but that doesn't solve the mysteries surrounding them of how they came in possession of dragon slayer magic lacrima of their same element. and their memory of killing their dragon parents.and who really did kill their dragons if they are dead in the first place. this thread can go only if the title can be changed to sting and rogue. i dont know how to change it. can it even be changed?


By the way... the poll options...sorry! it's my second thread so i don't know what to put in polls.

[crimsonlink310]

Well in Sting and Rouge's defense, they simply might not have shown the 2nd magic yet or 3rd gen DS special power is the ability to go Dragon Force at will.

[SerpentTailedAngel]

If that theory thread got merged with the dragon slayers thread, can we possibly remove that dumb poll that didn't let you disagree? (The only person who even voted on it was the guy who set it up)

[SlayerKisame]

Can you believe it? Sting's been saying it for the past million chapters about how he killed his dragon. It's hard to think he (or Rogue) is lying at this point. But why? Sting and Rogue seem like good guys. They do put on a tough cover but they don't seem like jerks.

The dragons teach you magic and you go off and kill them? No remorse or feelings for doing so? Why even do that unless they were attacking you? So what was their motivation?

[sarutobi_sensei]

Can you believe it? Sting's been saying it for the past million chapters about how he killed his dragon. It's hard to think he (or Rogue) is lying at this point. But why? Sting and Rogue seem like good guys. They do put on a tough cover but they don't seem like jerks.

The dragons teach you magic and you go off and kill them? No remorse or feelings for doing so? Why even do that unless they were attacking you? So what was their motivation?

Either to gain power, or because the dragons were already dying and they just finished the job ending their suffering.

[Tame]

I don't think they killed a dragon who was fighting at full power - I just can't see it. If they killed their dragons, I think the dragons were weakened, not fighting full power or wanted/let them to kill them. As for them being good guys, they stood by and watched a guild mate be stripped and humiliated. Good guys my ass. At least Rogue questioned it.

[Impossibility]

There is probably some backstory. There is obviously no way they actually took on the dragons in battle. Even seriously weakened, their dragons should've been too much for them. Let's think about it, as they are now they wouldn't be anything more than pests to any dragon. And they claim to have done it as kids, when they obviously would've been significantly weaker. My guess is that they did something stupid, and that act coincided with the disappearance of the dragons. And from that, they've come to the wild conclusion that they've killed their dragons. I, honestly, see no way they would've been able to so much as scratch a dragon.

[Bigfoot187]

Natsu couldn't do shit to acnologia
Sting n rouge's strongest technique DF couldn't stop natsu
sooo ya really believe they killed a dragon?

[Darjaille]

Natsu couldn't do shit to acnologia
Sting n rouge's strongest technique DF couldn't stop natsu
sooo ya really believe they killed a dragon?

Well Sting and Rogue really believe that they did. Now if it was only some genjutsu...

I wouldn't really bring pre-timeskip Natsu up though.

[dragons4life]

Well i think that their minds were manipulated, including their dragons, but Weisslogia broke through the manipulation and freed Skypeah as well from his manipulation but couldn't make it in time to break Sting and Rogue, and because Sting and Rogue were their sons, they couldn't bear themselves to kill their own child so they killed them and the mind manipulation spell is still active today and they believe that what they did was right, but it wasn't.

Just a tiny little theory:^_^

[SerpentTailedAngel]

My guess is that they did something stupid, and that act coincided with the disappearance of the dragons. And from that, they've come to the wild conclusion that they've killed their dragons. I, honestly, see no way they would've been able to so much as scratch a dragon.

I'm not sure how likely that is. I always figured they grew up together and maybe conspired to kill their (elderly) parents or were there when the dragons were seriously injured and had to put them out of their misery, but Rogue isn't even in the background of the flashbacks. It made me think that maybe the dragons planned something. Like Weisslogia and Skiadrum both decided to try and raise humans who could overpower dragons, then the two were put to the test and because they wanted them to succeed, they let them. Rogue and Sting then met because they heard about one another bragging about having killed a dragon parent who had seemingly betrayed them and been defeated... if that makes any sense. I may have done a bad job explaining it.

Well, it wouldn't have to be exactly like that, but I was thinking of something along those lines.

[Roman]

It's obvious, guys. The young punks are just confused. Just how they were confused thinking they'd own Natsu and Gajeel. There is certainly more to "we killed our dragons with our bare hands" story. There was a situation with a lot of variables which ended with that as their knowledge. But I seriously doubt they killed their masters, specially now that Natsu kicked their douche ass all over the place.

[Jirachier]

Natsu couldn't do shit to acnologia
Sting n rouge's strongest technique DF couldn't stop natsu
sooo ya really believe they killed a dragon?

True but just like dragon slayers are on a different level from each others dragons must also not be all of the same strength and my guess is, Acnologia and Igneel are the 2 strongest.

[hoeru]

Natsu couldn't do shit to acnologia

Yeah... Like how much time was left between him winning over Hades and Acnologia appearing on Tenrou? I didn't see Natsu charge Acnologia at full power, did you?

So how can this be any source for a serious discussion on whether or not Sting and Rogue killed their dragons?

[Rarhyx]

New theory about DS, don't know if someone else already had the same idea, if yes then sorry.

1. Generation: Wendy, Natsu and Gazille are actually the "real" children from their dragons. But due some incident they got transformed into Humans or they didn't transform into dragons yet (maybe this will be happening soon).
Or it already happened but they didn't realize it because the duration was to short:

http://www.mangareader.net/135-56017-20/fairy-tail/chapter-194.html
http://www.mangareader.net/135-56261-4/fairy-tail/chapter-195.html

no one except the edolas king saw that.

During "that incident" some magic was spelled on them and they slept for 400 years/time traveled 400 years into the future/or whatever it explains why zeref knows Natsu but not vice versa.

2. Generation: Just Dragon Lacryma implanted into human bodys. And after some time the dragon lacryma is actually fusing with the human body and the human gets dragon like power but ofc he won't be as strong as the first generation without special training. And the human body gets also the dragon weakness:

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/276/12

3. Generation: Rogue and Sting are actually humans but they got Dragon lacryma implanted in their bodys and were trained by dragons, so they could become stronger then the second generation.

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/293/21

I think Rogue and Sting where fighting/training with their dragons on 7/7/777 then suddenly the dragons disappeared and those idiots now think they killed them


Yeah... Like how much time was left between him winning over Hades and Acnologia appearing on Tenrou? I didn't see Natsu charge Acnologia at full power, did you?

So how can this be any source for a serious discussion on whether or not Sting and Rogue killed their dragons?

and you think ~10 year (or less) kids could kill dragons?
this isn't naruto where 10 year old children are genius at fighting

acnologia was attacked by the strongest ft members and still got no scratch.

[hoeru]

and you think ~10 year (or less) kids could kill dragons?
this isn't naruto where 10 year old children are genius at fighting

Reread my post again, please, and more closely. I never said, I'd believe they killed dragons. A weakened Natsu who was recovering from a fight that depleted all of his magic power, simply can't be taken to prove that neither Sting nor Rogue were able to kill their dragons. It's simply ridiculous to use that as an argument.

BTW, I give a -somethingsomething- about whether this is Naruto or not or any other manga that isn't Fairy Tail in this forum.


acnologia was attacked by the strongest ft members and still got no scratch.

Are you serious?! It's because the only magic working against dragons is dragon slayer magic. We all read this in the beginning of the manga, which was repeated when Gildarts showed Natsu what Acnologia did to his body.

The only magics being even stronger than that and that could affect dragons possibly, without any confirmation are Godslayer, Zeref's and The One Magic. IMHO. And none of the FT members knew them.

[ca12nag3]

Are you serious?! It's because the only magic working against dragons is dragon slayer magic. We all read this in the beginning of the manga, which was repeated when Gildarts showed Natsu what Acnologia did to his body.

The only magics being even stronger than that and that could affect dragons possibly, without any confirmation are Godslayer, Zeref's and The One Magic. IMHO. And none of the FT members knew them.

I dont agree, there is no basis to say that Godslayers Zeref or anyone else can kill a dragon. Its clearly stated that Dragonslayers can do this. Its not just powerlevel that determines a victory here.

Fire beats ice, water beats fire, etc etc. And then there is the aspects of dragonslayer godslayer and god knows what more. The point is its not just numbers that you need to look at.
We cant just put a mage on a gage and say he scores a 1000 points so he will always win from someone with 999 points and below. Since you forget inteligence, preperation and the aspect of the said mages power.

So come short you cant just say that a Godslayer can or cannot kill a dragon, proof first then we talk :)

[hoeru]

So come short you cant just say that a Godslayer can or cannot kill a dragon, proof first then we talk :)

I'll make it bold this time... :-_-


The only magics being even stronger than that and that could affect dragons possibly, without any confirmation are [...]

I already said what you repeated. :m3j

[ca12nag3]

I'll make it bold this time... :-_-



I already said what you repeated. :m3j

sigh thats not an answer, possibly and without any confirmation, look that way even erza,mirajane,makarov and all the saints could kill dragons. Since they are all more or less stronger then natsu&co.

Where is the basis to believe a godslayer can do anything against a dragon? Even Gildartz got whiped in 10 seconds. What you see as a possibillity without confirmation is Wendy getting beaten by a Skygodslayer > Wendy is the weakest of all dragonslayers, on top of that she was abandoned at the youngest age without even knowing how to roar. ON top of that! she is a healer not so much a fighter.
And for Zancrow that dude lost to Natsu so how can that typ of magic kill a dragon while Natsu cant beat Gildartz yet.

Where is that possibility?

[Alanious]

I guess all the questions or most of them will be answered in 300. I believe Fairy Tail has more Dragons Slayers to introduce, the graveyard says it all, so many dragons! we can assume that alot of dragon slayers are missing, and this could be the fault of 1 dragon slayer which probably still has to be introduce. It could be "The Dragon King". so pumped to see whats next

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I believe we might see some big revelations in the chapter 301.
I believe we might get some revelations about Dragons and Dragonslayers.:)

[Zasz]

I believe we might see some big revelations in the chapter 301.
I believe we might get some revelations about Dragons and Dragonslayers.:)

But more than everything we will get to know who is the Dragon King and what exactly is the Dragon Festival.
Obviouosly I too desire to know why all genuine DS have transportation issues and why Natsu and Gajeel seem to be older than they look.

[Zancrow]

the dragon festival is about the dragn king being pissed and just wants to watch the world burn and destory everything in sight ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRUB_Z6no0E&feature=related

[SerpentTailedAngel]

So if your dragon slayer magic becomes too powerful or if you actually slay a bunch of dragons or something like that you can turn into a dragon yourself.

Everyone's debating the implications in the thread for this weeks chapter, but I thought I'd mention it in the actual dragon slayer thread.

(would be kind of cool if dragon killing is a requirement to see that one coming back to haunt Sting or Rogue)

[Jorge D. Dragon]

The thing I've just thought about, if the usage of DS magic makes you closer to the actual Dragon, so if you use two or more types of DS magic at the same time, then you will become Dragon even faster, so there might be an option when Sting gives his element to Natsu and Rogue gives his element to Gaziele... Would be an interesting idea.:) It currently seems that Gazeele already got way stronger than Gray and Natsu just with his fire seems to be stronger than Elza or Mirajane, so if they get another power-up they might be able to fight an actual Dragon like Acnologia in duo.;)

[275]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but a recent chapter revealed that Acnologia is a former DS/Human.

We also recently saw that Sting revealed the name of the dragon he defeated, Weisslogia.
Maybe a little over-thinking on my part, but is it possible that Weisslogia has a connection to Acnologia(keyword - logia) and maybe Weisslogia is a former human also?

I say this only because of the disappearance of Igneel, Grandine and Metalicana was 7 years before the TS, yet Sting and Rogue would have been swimming in some dudes testicles at that time.

I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

[Zasz]

I'm sure that someone else brought up this topic, but I wish we could discuss this throughly.


http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q744/Miroku921/fairy-tail-1470242_zps304aedb7.jpg

http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q744/Miroku921/m017_zps68f917bd.jpg


The fact that Mashima drew Natsu with a cape and horns, laughing maniacally like Acnologia, is just a coincidence or Mashima has in his mind something big for the next arcs?
What makes me think about the latter possibility is the fact that Zyrconis (sorry if I wrote his name wrong) didn't tell Natsu and the others the king's name.

Am I just overthinking things or there will really be a plotwist of such kind?

[dex]

wow...thx for bringing that up...they look ridiculously similar...i wonder if mashima is foreshadowing things like oda does :mono

[Zasz]

If it is indeed a foreshadowing, I wonder how Mashima will play this out.

[EMS]

I didn't notice that but we might find out soon. I think the dragons will make the entrances and another questions will be answer..
The first one why. Disappeared and. Leave their children behind without a word.

[mak123]

Well, Zancrow (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Zancrow?file=Zancrow_in_anime.JPG) is always like that too :)

[Zasz]

Well, Zancrow (http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Zancrow?file=Zancrow_in_anime.JPG) is always like that too :)

Yes I know, but still don't you find strange that Natsu was in the same pose of Acnologia, wearing horns and a cape?
It could be just a reminescence of the past or like I already said, there's more to it?

[SerpentTailedAngel]

There is a chance that it's just Mashima's go to pose.
Would be nice if it was foreshadowing, though.

[Shounenfan]

Probably has something to do with Zeref talking about Natsu and saying "Not yet..."
He's probably acnologia's son of some sort...

[Sollum]

Acnologia: Natsu...
Natsu: Oh no, not this Star Wars shit!
Acnologia: ... i am your...
Natsu: Oh no! Fu**ing no!
Acnologia: ... brother!
Natsu: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!... wait... what?

[EMS]

there is something between those two, zeref was so happy to finally meet natsu, i guess natsu is the child of the prophecy of fairy tail.

[albinoeva]

Funny I was just looking at the earlier sketches Mashima did of Natsu then I saw this post. Maybe it is more than just a coincidence.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100416192833/fairytail/images/6/6d/EarlyNatsu.jpg

[hoeru]

So Natsu is going to look like this while he improves?

[Shekinah]

well, i thought about everthing for a little while... and still my brain got nuts. but i made a theory...
first off: we got natsu and gajeel and wendy trained by theire dragons. all of them dissapeared on the same date: 7, 7 777.
but what i was allways woundering, why does mashima sensei make such a big secret about the age of natsu and gajeel. i mean, it shouldnt be that big deal or? but then... here is the point.
both, gajeel and natsus dragon dissapeared on the same day... makarove found natsu in the forest (about gajeel we dont know till now). he entered ft during his childhood. so basicly he should be at the age of 16- 17 by now. but in the lFT Battle arc he couldnt escape the barrier from fried. so how old is he really? my personal guess is about the "younger 400" years old. basicly.... natsu was born back in the year 370 or so. we already know a spell that keeps you in a frozen state where you dont age, fairy sphere; what would also connect the whole dragon thing more to ft and deeper to ft roots. natsu used to live only with his dragon in the forest as we know, so it mustnt nessasarly mean that he really know about the date where he was with his dragon parent. so by any mean... anything happend in the year on 7, 7 377 where igneel didnt saw any other way to save him as to keep him in a frozen state. everything he left for him was the muffler and natsu awakens in the year 7,7 777 and his dragon was suddenly dissapeared. if igneel casted that spell on him while he was at sleep, natsu wouldnt notice at all (same as fairy sphere). and so 400 years passed without even noticing it (by natsu).
the same thing could be the case with sting and rouge just in a diffrent way. lector was friends with him since he was a kid. vicelogia and skydrum could have made a similar move to theire dragon slayer, but they let it look like sting and rouge actual killed them.
then we got wendy, she is 12 years old and grandine dissapeared 7,7 777. so we could guess that grandine was still arround. since she was saved by mistgun back in these days, the only thing we can say is that grandine was arround for that time.
now its going to be a bit complicated;
now comes our lovely zeref; what part does he play in that thing? arcadios said that he is immortal. so he could lived for this 400 years without any problems. the fact that he knows natsu, but natsu doesnt seem to know him was mokking me. so i thought, how about that: could it be that zeref was friends with the human- liking - dragons? it could really be that it was zeref itself who put natsu asleep. zeref allways used to speak about natsu in a.... lovely way? like he was a little brother to him? in the year 377 on july the 7th something terrible was about to happen, and igneel asked zeref to safe natsu? and zeref took care of him for the time natsu was asleep?
that also could explain why zeref knows him, but natsu not him. so... now another guess. when it was zeref who transformed the person into acnologia. maybe that happend in the time 400 years ago. he recognized that he did something terrible and wanted to stand up for his crimes and decided to help the dragons fighting accnologia. in the end they couldnt make it and had to escape. they started to train theire dragon slayers (natsu, gajeel) and acnologia was affraid of the power. so he went after them. maybe something like that happend on july 7th in the year 377. igneel didnt saw any other way to save his "child" as to ask zeref for help.
zeref saved natsu, the dragon dissapeared to somewhere. as we know zeref is close to the source of magic. maybe he invented the god slayers by himself by teaching them dragon slayer like art of fighting with the source of magic. would also explain why jellal feeled the same kind of magic when shelia was fighting. he did that on purpose to fight against acnologia the time beeing, while the young dragon slayer were asleep. accourding to my threat, that would have happend in the 7-9 years after 377. so natsu woked up in the age of 7 or something like that while zeref was still sleeping...
zeref must have figured that acnologia is able to sense his magic, so he didnt saw any other way to protect them as to lay himself asleep in his own body and on tenroujima iland that seal on himself broke too and acnologia could sense him again and attacked the iland. would also explain the expression on zeref at this page: http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/253/17
also why he was so god damn angry at grimoure heart, since they tried to breake that sleeping seal to awake him. he said, they would pay for the crimes... well its just matches so hard.
ahhh, even while im trying to explain that, my brain gets more and more nuts.....

[SerpentTailedAngel]

Going to say this again. Mashima stated in a Q&A section in one of the published volumes a while back that Natsu is not over 80.

[c420smokey]

It seems they are the only ones of the generations to be able to absorb other dragonslayer magic and make it theres (though I could be wrong), sure the other generations can enter dragon force mode, but being able to absorb more than one dragonslayer power is a greatpower up, fyi im hoping wendy gets cobras power added to hers, wind and poison

[suraj5898]

1st generation dragon slayers r better then 2nd and 3rd because they r original :teehee and original is always better then copy & fake :nerd

[Schabrak]

In which way are the third ones fake though? They've just added additional power to being normal dragon slayers as far as we know.

[suraj5898]

In which way are the third ones fake though? They've just added additional power to being normal dragon slayers as far as we know.

bro i was joking and as for why 1st is better then 2nd and 3rd is we cant say anything just like we have no idea that natsu is 16-17 years old or more then 80 years old

[revas]

i think 3rd are the strongest overall... the lacryma acts like a bonus magic source, that allows them to start DF on their own (much like how you use shock to quickstart the heart). however, they are just weaker overall than natsu and gajeel... may it be battle experience, magical power or whatever... and btw, natsu is 17, but he was sent through time from year 370 or so (he was probably born on year 360, which technically makes him 417 years old in year 784, same as gajeel, wendy, and probably sting and rogue).. but that is a theory i am working on :D

[redhairSH]

i think 3rd are the strongest overall... the lacryma acts like a bonus magic source, that allows them to start DF on their own (much like how you use shock to quickstart the heart). however, they are just weaker overall than natsu and gajeel... may it be battle experience, magical power or whatever... and btw, natsu is 17, but he was sent through time from year 370 or so (he was probably born on year 360, which technically makes him 417 years old in year 784, same as gajeel, wendy, and probably sting and rogue).. but that is a theory i am working on :D

I like your theory on how old the dragon slayers are, that actually makes sense now that we know about the eclipse gate

But the 3rd generation dragon slayers don't seem like their dragon force is as strong as the dragon force transformations that natsu has had. The 2nd generation dragon slayers, Laxus and Cobra, when they were first introduced, had to enter dragon force to use their dragon slayer magic, they were strong, but their dragon force was nothing like what natsu used against zero and gerard. I think that Sting and Rogue are using the 2nd generation version of Dragon Force, its strong and gives them a power boost, but not as strong as the original first generation's dragon force is, which they also have the potential to awaken.

[revas]

yeah, it could be the scaled down version of the real thing - artificial DF.. but i think that Natsu was just that stronger. Like in the fight with Zero.. Natsu entered DF, but Zero had little trouble fighting him. However, no doubt that current Natsu's DF would just blow everyone away.

[jues]

i think 3rd are the strongest overall... the lacryma acts like a bonus magic source, that allows them to start DF on their own (much like how you use shock to quickstart the heart). however, they are just weaker overall than natsu and gajeel... may it be battle experience, magical power or whatever... and btw, natsu is 17, but he was sent through time from year 370 or so (he was probably born on year 360, which technically makes him 417 years old in year 784, same as gajeel, wendy, and probably sting and rogue).. but that is a theory i am working on :D

As we've seen it may not be that black and white: even if the 3rd generation may have some fancy skills that are enabled due to them having progressed "further" in terms of being a dragon slayer, in the end it still didn't mean that they were stronger than Natsu / Gajeel. I sort of like that because of course it shouldn't be so obvious, series that actually manage to consider the envirnomental and situational things in battles are the most enjoyable.

However in Fairy Tail the whole overcoming everything with a power of friendship feels a bit dull.. In One Piece it's at least done in a great fashion instead of being too generic :P. Don't get me wrong, I like Fairy Tail a lot, but there's always room for improvement and I hope that Hiro Mashima realizes that.

[Schabrak]

In the end not Natsu nor any other known living Dragonslayer is a 1st gen, Natsu, Gajeel and Wendy may have been trained like the originals from the war, but so were Sting and Rouge, they even got an upgrade. Of course those 3rd gens without nakama-ai-mahou-powers have stayed weaker than Natsu in their match up.

[Blanka]

Zirconis is a candidate for the villainous team's arc deserter. It happens like clock work that a good mage rehabs a dark magic user. I consider the Dragons the start of a new arc, so new roster for rehab. He is likeable and getting tons of screen time.

The question / Theory I propose is ...
Q1) With 7 new dragons will a new dragon slayer be created by or from a dragon?
Q2) Will any of the current DS absorb a new magic to hybridize their Lost magic?
----------------------------
A1) Yes either taught by Zilconis (rehabed) to one of the 4 pervs of Blue Pegasus or Romeo bathing in Atlas Flame's Power.
A2) Yes but not by Gajeel or Natsu (they already have 2 each). Laxus is too boss to need it from Atlas. Wendy is still way below her maximum with her first. Likely either Cobra or Sting, doubt Rogue.

Thoughts?

[amitnaruto]

Hey

First time making a thread. Don't know if this was ever done most likely, but I'm wondering based on the last few chapters, if you had the ability to be a dragonslayer what kind of dragon slaying abilities do you think you would like to have or see in the manga (topic goes into elemental abilities, physical abilities or anything you can imagine).

[EclipseHunter]

I like the Holy Dragon but I want healing/priest powers and fighting powers, a Paladin without a sword or armor. I'm interested in the Jade Dragon but not the stripping part but I am interested in the Jade part. It would be cool to make Jade armor and Jade constructs kind of like Ice Make but Jade Make, dragon style.

[THM Nindo]

Hey guys, now that we got our 7 Dragon Slayers, and that we know just how the number 7 is important in Fairy Tail.
Do you think those are all the Dragon Slayers we will see in this manga, or are you expecting more to be revealed?

[Crystal Black]

Logically there should be a great number of them out there, but at this point of the story I think it will be kind of redundant for more Dragon slayers to appear from no where and all of a sudden have some relevance.

[Rarhyx]

mayve they will appear in flashbacks or maybe even in a timetravel arc but I guess those seven are the main DS and there won't join any new ones (only exception if laxus and cobra will be replaced by 1. or 3. generation DS)

[FirenX]

In phantom guild, there was the element 4. Each represented one element which were air, water, fire and earth. So far two out of this four have a confirmed dragon slayer which obviously are wendy and natsu. If those are really elements maybe we should expect to see a water and an earth dragon slayer in the future.

I doubt layla or lucy are dragons but I do believe they will eventually serve a deeper purpose in the story.


If you look closely on the fight between Acnologia and Fairy Tail, you will see, that, before The Dragon King ''obliterated'' Tenrou Island with his Signature Dragons Roar, he sucked up a huge amount of water.
So my point behind that is the theory that Acnologia may be the (former) Water Dragon Slayer and maybe through his slaying of a whole herd of Dragons and thorugh Zeref, even got a 2 or even Multiple Dragon Mode himself (like Lightning-Flame-Dragon-Mode and Iron-Shadow-Mode f.e.) and therefore is so incredibly powerful (being able to erase an entire country of the world map with one single strike and of ruling the future on his own).

[kkck]

I just checked the fight in the manga and the anime and neither actually look like if acknologia is gathering water. The resulting explosion from his dragon breath does not appear to be the result of water either for that matter.

[Newkerzy]

Hey guys, now that we got our 7 Dragon Slayers, and that we know just how the number 7 is important in Fairy Tail.
Do you think those are all the Dragon Slayers we will see in this manga, or are you expecting more to be revealed?

I have to agree with Crystal. Mashima has made it a point to make the number 7 significant in the story, so I don't think we'll be seeing more. Flashbacks of the earlier dragonslayers (older than Natsu & Gajeel) is possible, though.

On another note, why hasn't anyone drawn a good fanart of the seven DS yet?? I want it to replace my old sig.....

[Knight of Heaven 0]

T^T But i want an Ice dragon.Why? Look at my avatar >.>.Fire dragons and FDS magic are boring =.=

[Newkerzy]

T^T But i want an Ice dragon.Why? Look at my avatar >.>.Fire dragons and FDS magic are boring =.=

LOL, you're not the only one. I was actually hoping for one of the dragons that came out of the gate to be an ice dragon. But maybe we'll see soon. There's still two more dragons whose element hasn't been revealed.

But maybe you'd like Jura to be a 2nd gen Stone DS?? I'm kind of hoping for Jura to get the stone dragon's lachryma and implant it in himself. But then again, he'd overpowered as hell and become the Madara of FT.

[Knight of Heaven 0]

LOL, you're not the only one. I was actually hoping for one of the dragons that came out of the gate to be an ice dragon. But maybe we'll see soon. There's still two more dragons whose element hasn't been revealed.

But maybe you'd like Jura to be a 2nd gen Stone DS?? I'm kind of hoping for Jura to get the stone dragon's lachryma and implant it in himself. But then again, he'd overpowered as hell and become the Madara of FT.
:lmao It mightnot be too farteched for Jura to be a DS,But he still is good and powerful without using DS magic :XD He doesn't need a lacrima and be a DS.He's good as he is.But Gray is just so weak in comparision to Natsu and other Dragon slayers =.=.I really hope that Hiro has plans for him.He's one of the main characters for crying out loud.