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destinator
October 04, 2006, 08:32 AM
Get the yummies on the tummies over here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=9306.0)!

Ok this was a early realease...its a long time ago we had a chapter this early!

So yeah who is this new guy? He looks like Wonderweis but seriously he cant really be Wonderweis *is really confused*
Seems more like a fun chapter this time but its good too see something like that between the more seious chapters.

And the end of the chapter is just awesome...Renji and Rukia <333 okay the was really a big surprise! Rukia seems to have a pretty nice attack for that hollow there. So yeah we can expect too see some new techs soon... :)

Predict away :)

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bax
October 04, 2006, 11:21 AM
So... as an early prediction, I would say:

1. Finally they managed to get into Las Noches after seemingly chasing a "mirage" in Chapter 245
2. We get to see if there are others just like Nell and his "brothers"
3. Rukia and Renji explain why they're there in HM (if they really sent by SS or just broke into HM by themselves).

Not too much action in the next chapter, I bet it's another "tell-you-all-everything" Chapter next week.

Fortisdiablos
October 04, 2006, 11:25 AM
Ichigo will say something like "what the hell are you guys doing here!" I have a feeling that they got Byaukuya to get Yamamoto to let them go, since they aren't even captain level and don't serve much use against Arrakals. Kubo isn't as misleading with titles as Kishimoto, so I think they might reach Las Noches at the end of the next chapter (Rukia has some kidou that lets them break through the barrier that keeps it so far, or maybe it's just really far).

Or...

Maybe Renji got promoted to captain...and Rukia is is vice captain. That would be pretty bitchin. The rest is the same though.

Urazz
October 04, 2006, 03:37 PM
Ichigo will say something like "what the hell are you guys doing here!" I have a feeling that they got Byaukuya to get Yamamoto to let them go, since they aren't even captain level and don't serve much use against Arrakals. Kubo isn't as misleading with titles as Kishimoto, so I think they might reach Las Noches at the end of the next chapter (Rukia has some kidou that lets them break through the barrier that keeps it so far, or maybe it's just really far).

Or...

Maybe Renji got promoted to captain...and Rukia is is vice captain. That would be pretty bitchin. The rest is the same though.

I figure they either went against the Gotei 13to go on the rescue mission (I can picture Ichigo joking at Rukia that she better not get sentanced for execution again for going against the rules. lol) or they managed to convince them to let them go.

Anyways, I think they will get to Las Noches next chapter or the one after that. There is no reason to delay it anymore really.

bax
October 04, 2006, 03:39 PM
I just hope it's not Aizen's Shikai setting a trap for them....

princeandrew01
October 04, 2006, 04:13 PM
So all the people are assembled, i was wondering if it would just be the three of them i had a feeling rukia and renji wud come (well not so much renji but consider rukia wud go renji wud follow).

Anyway as for a prediction we wud see how come those two are there cuz im pretty sure they going against soul society but then again has that stopped them in the past.... Probably will figure out how to get into LH with the help of that kid and his friends.

Urazz
October 04, 2006, 04:30 PM
So all the people are assembled, i was wondering if it would just be the three of them i had a feeling rukia and renji wud come (well not so much renji but consider rukia wud go renji wud follow).

Anyway as for a prediction we wud see how come those two are there cuz im pretty sure they going against soul society but then again has that stopped them in the past.... Probably will figure out how to get into LH with the help of that kid and his friends.

Yeah, I figured Rukia and Renji would come too if they could get out and to HM. Well, more Rukia would go and Renji would follow since Rukia seems to have Renji wrapped around her finger. lol

mangadictus
October 04, 2006, 06:26 PM
Next chapter, we'll definitely see more explaining and discussion about those two that just arrived. And also they'll setup a "fight plan" on how to rescue Inoue. I don't think we'll see that much action on the next one. Hopefully we get lots of 'em. But that's just me :)

erieru
October 04, 2006, 08:13 PM
so does this means that we will get to see Byakuya soon?? He is always involved where Rukia is, regardless :)

I don't like the comic ways of these past chapters, I mean, they are breaking into HM which was suppose to be worst than SS and they are all joking and screwing around, it's kinda stupid. I thought it was going to be more serious :notrust :noworry

mugen
October 04, 2006, 08:38 PM
I just know that we're going to see Rukia's bankai pretty soon. And Renji & Rukia are going to teach Ichigo some kido. With Ichogo's reitsu he does'nt even need the incantation.By the way the reason I think Ichigo does'nt like doing kido is because he feels like a dork saying those incantations. :p

Debu
October 04, 2006, 10:13 PM
"What are you 2 doing here?" "What are you 3 doing here?" "What are you 4 doing here with these 3?" "What are you 5 doing here?" Whew!

Prediction:

We'll find out why Rukia and Renji are there. I predict they explicitly went against SS and that Urahara sent them.

Rationale: they went against SS, or else:
* SS is dumb; it's clear that Ichigo was going to find a way to HM, so they should have put someone on Ichigo watch to keep him from going. For them to say "Oh, he did what was obvious, but we really need his power so we should bail him out" is ridiculous.

* They won't be able to be in the same group as Ishida! If they went against SS, then he'll welcome them with open arms.

Rationale: Urahara sent them, or else:
* It's weird that they found Ichigo & co so easily. HM is a huge place, so they'd either need to have a way to track them and enter wherever they want, or else they just took the same entrance as Urahara.

erieru
October 04, 2006, 11:31 PM
Without the humor there wouldn't be a Bleach. Its a staple and if they take it out then either chapters would be much smaller and the story would go really fast or half the chapter that were about jokes are replaced for seriousness then it'd get all emoish ><.

yeah I agree, however, everything show be in it's rigth balance and time, I agree with humor here and there, specially in between fighting arcs and when they are healing after battles, things like that, but I was not expecting all this humor at this part, IMHO I think this part should have been more serious that's all

andy3004
October 05, 2006, 12:18 PM
I just hope it's not Aizen's Shikai setting a trap for them....

Yes. That what exactly what I was thinking when I saw Rukia and Renji in the last page. I mean: for some reason Aizen doesn't seem to want Ichigo & co. die right now (otherwise he might have just let Grimjoe let off his hook) and it somewhat fits right with Aizens personality that he would play around with the three a bit too... well, to achieve whatever fits his whim. So, besides the other already listed predictions, I could also imagine that the story continues for a few episodes with Ichigo and all others making into Las Noches, until they encouter a peacefully smiling Aizen, at which point Rukia and Renji dissappear, as they were only illusions created by Aizen. :o

nohm
October 05, 2006, 06:30 PM
Yes. That what exactly what I was thinking when I saw Rukia and Renji in the last page. I mean: for some reason Aizen doesn't seem to want Ichigo & co. die right now (otherwise he might have just let Grimjoe let off his hook) and it somewhat fits right with Aizens personality that he would play around with the three a bit too... well, to achieve whatever fits his whim. So, besides the other already listed predictions, I could also imagine that the story continues for a few episodes with Ichigo and all others making into Las Noches, until they encouter a peacefully smiling Aizen, at which point Rukia and Renji dissappear, as they were only illusions created by Aizen. :o


So then my question is...when did Aizen have the chance to show them his shikai so that Ichigo and crew were put under hypnosis? The last time he showed anything was before he retreated from soul society, and even then he didn't reveal his shikai.

Interesting hypothesis though...

dfcarolinaguy
October 05, 2006, 10:23 PM
I believe we will see the viazards show up soon, and i think we will see some new techinques by Rukia and Rengi

DesiSkull
October 06, 2006, 02:33 AM
awesome chapter.. now its the party of five. cant wait for the next chapter. i think after Yamamoto found out that Ichigo and etc. left for the hollow world. he decided to send renji and rukia considering they are encounter with the Aranncar and they know Orihime and they are not captain level. as for predictions like i have read. they will enter the palace and preceed as first rukia and renji tell how they got to be here. they might go back where NELL lives and he probably can tell them a short cut with very important information and stuff like that.

venicia777
October 07, 2006, 05:03 PM
Yup!! this chapter should reveal how rukia and renji got there. Did they disobey orders or what? And was kisuke involved? If they didnt disobey orders then how and who managed to convince yamamoto and the others leaders to allow them to leave?

and we should at least get to the point where they finally proceed to Los Noches- possibly meeting another enemy and it might be renji's turn to dispose off that one before the biggies come in.

Master O
October 08, 2006, 02:27 AM
awesome chapter.. now its the party of five.


In a few chapters, you'll probably say "now, it's a party of 10!"

Think about it, 9 or 10 arrancares and Aizen vs the following 10 people: Ichigo, Chad, Ishida, Renji, Rukia, Urahara, Yoruichi, Tatsuki, and the other SS Captains....

Who knows?......

mugen
October 08, 2006, 02:06 PM
I think we're going to see Ichigo fighting a "sword" next week. Dattebayo!!
Of course though it's not going to be one on one. Most likely Ichigo & Renji team up

erieru
October 08, 2006, 05:44 PM
I'm a little dissapointed to see rukia and renji, I mean, we already know what level they are in and know most of their skills and moves, I was hoping to see someone new we haven't seen yet. *sight* oh well, I guess I will have to wait a little to see Isshin in action

DesiSkull
October 08, 2006, 07:24 PM
I'm a little dissapointed to see rukia and renji, I mean, we already know what level they are in and know most of their skills and moves, I was hoping to see someone new we haven't seen yet. *sight* oh well, I guess I will have to wait a little to see Isshin in action
dude come on! dont u wanna see Rukia's Bankai. i for one do.

bakashijinsan
October 08, 2006, 07:27 PM
maybe we'll see next chapter, Ichigo and the gang (including Rukia and Renji) getting help from the arrancar bros on how to infiltrate Los Noches.

Another_Sky
October 08, 2006, 10:10 PM
I knew it the shingami are the bad guys. I bet the Arrancar isn't bad at all. I think some arrancar will join against Aizen. You know it seems like not all of them wants to be part of this. After the arrancar arc I wonder what's next. Going after some baddys in the underworld? I bet their will be a whole arc considering Kaien. He was just refered then it was over... NO not gonna have that wanna know what happened Kaien bad. Is he really dead? Or did he reborn as someone else?

Ashe
October 09, 2006, 07:24 PM
Prediction: Next chapter takes us back to Urahara and co. and has nothing to do with Renji, Rukia, Ichigo, and the other kids at all.

Because Kubo is a tease.

Krillos
October 10, 2006, 02:02 AM
I think the first chapters will have a explaination of how & why Rukia and Renji came here. And in the last chapters, during Aizen's meeting, Aizen will introduce the first Vasto Lorde-Arrankar member (who's face not revealed for us viewers XD) for the surprised Espada and it ends with of what role he/she gains from Aizen.

Narasu
October 10, 2006, 03:02 AM
I think Ichigo and company will become overwhelmed by the arrankar and Isshin, Ryuuken, or Urahara will help (in the next few chapters).

OGunslinger
October 10, 2006, 05:47 AM
grimmjow will meet ichigo at the end of the chapter, Leaving us wanting the next chapter to come out *asap*


also... i think this will just be the same as the rukia rescue arc...

Krillos
October 10, 2006, 09:08 AM
grimmjow will meet ichigo at the end of the chapter, Leaving us wanting the next chapter to come out *asap*


Grimmjow won't meet Ichigo since he's stuck at the Espada meeting, remember?

Narasu
October 10, 2006, 11:19 AM
Grimmjow won't meet Ichigo since he's stuck at the Espada meeting, remember?


Well it's possible though if it's somewhere near the end, because yeah the meeting would last a few pages probably.

Dark Zeza
October 10, 2006, 12:04 PM
There will be some flash back on how Renji and Rukia get to Hueco Mundo. I dont think Captain Yamamoto would allow them to come. However if he really did allow them, I bet the other captains in the 13-Squad will come as well.

infyquest
October 10, 2006, 01:17 PM
No other captains will come I think those are the only two.
And there can be other enterances from his friends. ;)

Koyuki
October 10, 2006, 01:21 PM
I cannot reconcile Yama-jii condoning any shinigami going to Hueco Mundo at the moment. He knows they are no match for the Arrankar. Any good leader will prevent as many unnecessary deaths as possible. In Yama-jii's mind, sending Renji and Rukia to Hueco Mundo is the same as sentencing them to die.

There is only one way that Yama-jii would ever condone such a bold move, and that requires an even more off-the-wall move. He would only allow shinigami to go if those shinigami had gained power comparable to the Arrankar. I cannot see a SS-sanctioned forming of new Vaizards.

bax
October 10, 2006, 02:19 PM
That's why I'm thinking the other possibilities outside the normal thoughts about Renji and Rukia. I'll just quote myself (taken from another thread) since I'm very lazy right now to type...



3. Here is what weird. Remeber that Rukia and Renji initially made a request to Yamamoto to stay on earth and go to HM to bring back Inoue. Which ended with Byakuya and Kenpachi escorted them back. So, SS already knows the relationship of those two to Ichigo and co., and they already stated their intention although refused. So, why they are in HM? Sure SS will keep close watch on Rukia and Renji. Unless someone like Byakuya or Urahara is pulling the strings from behind, I don't see how they could arrive here. If this is true, what we saw maybe was just Aizen's Zanpakutou playing around again. That may support Aizen's calmness.

Logikl
October 10, 2006, 04:47 PM
Im tending to agree with others that they will go into how Renji and Rukia got into HM and disobeyed SS orders... Kubo is going to keep us waiting for the good s^%$....

I would like to see whats goin on with Urahara and if he has some sneaky little plan for Tatsuki and co... (maybe Isshin comes into the mix too?... *wishful thinking*)

graphic_content
October 11, 2006, 12:16 AM
personally I feel that the re-appearance of Renji and Rukia was a horribly weak choice to go storywise. I love them as characters, but Ichigo's desperation going into Hueco Mundo w/o Shinigami help - I believe helped to strengthened the arc, and establish Ichigo's overall resolve as a solitary powerhouse - which more than anything is what he needs to break out that mask for more than 11 seconds.

of all the characters to re-introduce - I think Kubo should have chosen the Vizards ( a series of characters with obvious depth, just dying to be explored and backgrounds revealed ); having Renji and Rukia go 'a-wall' on SS - just seems to - whats the word....expected?!?! and I cant help but feel disappointed.

obviously the next chapter is gonna be more of the usual -

Ichigo: WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE!
Renji: Isnt it obivious we are here to help - we all know you couldnt do this on your own.
Ichigo: WHAT DID YOU SAY!
Rukia: Stop fighting!, Inoue needs our help! C'mon, well explain the details later.

[END CHAPTER]

if THIS was an illusion set by Aizen - it would simply soldify his badass status...truly. :)

Urazz
October 11, 2006, 05:38 AM
Why is it that everyone thinks Aizen is using his shikai when something unbelieveable or wierd happens? I think it's impossible cause Ichigo, Chad, and Ishida never saw Aizen's shikai.

Dark Zeza
October 11, 2006, 06:12 AM
Why is it that everyone thinks Aizen is using his shikai when something unbelieveable or wierd happens? I think it's impossible cause Ichigo, Chad, and Ishida never saw Aizen's shikai.


Yea, there need some steps to make the illusion, and is it possible for his illusion to use Rukia soul slayer ability?



obviously the next chapter is gonna be more of the usual -

Ichigo: WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE!
Renji: Isnt it obivious we are here to help - we all know you couldnt do this on your own.
Ichigo: WHAT DID YOU SAY!
Rukia: Stop fighting!, Inoue needs our help! C'mon, well explain the details later.

[END CHAPTER]



Haha, that's most likely to happen.

About how they got here, if Captain Yamamoto did not allow them, they sneaked out from the SS then, possible?

bax
October 11, 2006, 07:11 AM
Yea, there need some steps to make the illusion, and is it possible for his illusion to use Rukia soul slayer ability?


If I may to comment on that (this is my observation only). Nell said that to defeat Runaganga, you need water. But, Rukia's Zanpakutou is an ice type:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3640/bleachch20203ew4.png

Judging from the whole Bleach story, even Hyourinmaru (Hitsugaya's Zanpakutou) does not use water in it's attacks. Yes, Hitsugaya used water in the atmosphere to create ice, but the attack is still ice, not water.
Obviously, that attack that Rukia uses on Runaganga is water, and because she is holding her Zanpakutou, which means she did used her zanpakutou to attack.

Note : This theory came because the lack of information of Rukia's Zanpakutou. Sodeno Shirayuki is the only attack we saw so far.

rocklee87
October 11, 2006, 01:25 PM
yea they are def going against his orders, maybe they quit being shinigami and that is where the send wayward death gods

body flicker
October 11, 2006, 04:19 PM
well if this is not aziens shikai playing tricks on ichigo and the gang i could totaly see captain yamamoto letting rukai and renji go because they are really captain and vice captain level

rocklee87
October 11, 2006, 05:35 PM
but captains and vice captins have already been rocked by aizens crew

body flicker
October 11, 2006, 07:31 PM
i wasnt talking about the fights i was talking about them being there pireod

but you right though and i really want to see somthig else from renji's banki then just a canon

bax
October 12, 2006, 04:07 AM
Actually the next Chapter will be the "stand by" phase before they storm into Los Noches. Think about it. Perhaps someone like Ichigo will just burst into Los Noches already. But Rukia is there. She's known as a realistic and calculated character. She will absolutely disallow Ichigo to go into Los Noches yet. Not with only the five of them.

Either Rukia will say "We need a strategy" or "We'll wait for the backup first" (either from SS or Urahara). I don't think SS allows them to go to HM. So, perhaps SS has forbidden the use of the dimensional door to prevent this. So, it's logical that Rukia and Renji has met Urahara before they jumped into HM. Naturally, judging from the coseness of Soi Fong to Yoruichi, she maybe the mole inside SS telling the news of the trio's departure to HM.

Lohnt
October 12, 2006, 01:53 PM
Aizens power is either being over estimated... or he's way too overpowered, if he can do what people are saying with Renji and Rukia.

I really hope Ulq doesn't do something dirty to Inoue.. I can just imagine what goes on in that horny little boys mind when he's alone in her jailcell with her..

Deerkiller
October 12, 2006, 03:31 PM
I want to know what Inoue was doing before Ulq walked into the room unannounced.

zetsuie
October 12, 2006, 03:42 PM
that chapter was boring

walkie
October 12, 2006, 04:09 PM
i dont think this chapter was boring..although was not the best but it was something expected...they should re-unite, talk before somethings happens right :D

and when ichigo said "lets go renji", i thought they will do something like 2-men attack which they did against aizen but they didnt :(

mangadictus
October 12, 2006, 04:16 PM
Aizens power is either being over estimated... or he's way too overpowered, if he can do what people are saying with Renji and Rukia.

I really hope Ulq doesn't do something dirty to Inoue.. I can just imagine what goes on in that horny little boys mind when he's alone in her jailcell with her..


You just activated the left part of my brain. I wouldn't say "thinkers are doers" though. Or is it? Anyway, This chapter is kinda average rated on the excitement scale. Hope they pick up the pace on the next one.

ttxdragon
October 12, 2006, 04:22 PM
i kinda liked this chapter.
just because of rukias words of being a team.
it didn't sound like 'we are a team' more like 'we will always be together, ichigo.' from her xD
or 'dont make me confirm our bond again!' and 'why didn't you trust your partner?'
call me a hopeless interpreter, but that's the way it seemed...

the only thing that made me wonder:
why do they both attack that damn wall...
ichigos and renjis attacking kind is so damn different, that just doesn't fit together....

Urazz
October 12, 2006, 06:00 PM
I want to know what Inoue was doing before Ulq walked into the room unannounced.

I figured she was changing into the clothes we saw her in. They look pretty good on her I think.

Anyways, this was a pretty good chapter for me. I liked how Rukia hit Ichigo and then tagged Renji to hit him also. And then there was Rukia questioning about Nell and his friends. lol

erieru
October 12, 2006, 09:12 PM
this chapter was ok... I think they are taking too long to show us something good. I like the idea that Inoue now knows about her friends being there to save her, which draws me to the theory that those walls are kinda similar to the ones they had Rukia in SS that does not allow her to feel Ichigo's reiatsu.
I think she will eventually try to reveal against the f*($# Espada and join her friends, but she is wearing their clothes now, that's all I liked about this chapter. everything else was totally lame and not needed :s

bax
October 13, 2006, 05:40 AM
I figured she was changing into the clothes we saw her in. They look pretty good on her I think.


I don't know about this "look pretty on her" thing. I wanna see her in full with that clothing before I judge on this. But, at first glance, yeah, looks good. White is the colour for her (generalizing with Aizen's suit).

Looks like Ulq is really going easy on Ichigo and co. His expressionless face makes me itchy to see him in combat again. I for sure, disagree on that Ulq is a traitor, he's a loyal servant of Aizen. Too bad, we don't get to see other Espada.

So, Byakuya is the one who letting the duo went to te human world before Urahara sent them into HM. He's kinda nice. I remember after the battle against Ichigo, when he commented that "Ichigo is fighting the law of SS". Seems like Byakuya has developed a sense of self-justice now, eh?

Urazz
October 13, 2006, 06:16 AM
I don't know about this "look pretty on her" thing. I wanna see her in full with that clothing before I judge on this. But, at first glance, yeah, looks good. White is the colour for her (generalizing with Aizen's suit).

Looks like Ulq is really going easy on Ichigo and co. His expressionless face makes me itchy to see him in combat again. I for sure, disagree on that Ulq is a traitor, he's a loyal servant of Aizen. Too bad, we don't get to see other Espada.

So, Byakuya is the one who letting the duo went to te human world before Urahara sent them into HM. He's kinda nice. I remember after the battle against Ichigo, when he commented that "Ichigo is fighting the law of SS". Seems like Byakuya has developed a sense of self-justice now, eh?

Yeah, and I found it hilarious that Byakuya was able relay an insult to Ichigo from Rukia and piss him off.

Dark Zeza
October 13, 2006, 01:17 PM
So Captain Yamamoto did not allow them to go after all but did not expect Byakuya to let them sneak out. Well... wanna see full pic of Orihime new suit. :)

Free_Man
October 14, 2006, 01:53 AM
I doubt Orihime will go against the Espada, because i think Aizen will threaten to crush her friends like bugs (which he very well will be able to do). But im interested to see if Aizen taught her any tricks, thereby making her more formiddable in battle (although, i doubt it).

Urazz
October 14, 2006, 02:49 AM
I doubt Orihime will go against the Espada, because i think Aizen will threaten to crush her friends like bugs (which he very well will be able to do). But im interested to see if Aizen taught her any tricks, thereby making her more formiddable in battle (although, i doubt it).

She hasn't been gone that long though so why would she learn any tricks from Aizen? If she learned anything new it would've been by herself and would be caused from Aizen's explanation of her powers in detail. Unless that is what you meant.

Also, why would Orihime go along with Aizen now anyways? Aizen will most likely just kill them anyways even if he just captures them to use as bait. Hell, he's gonna kill Orihime once he finishes using her for his plans anyways. Orihime is no idiot so I think she can come to that conclusion herself. She's just a bit crazy and innocent. lol.

mangadictus
October 14, 2006, 11:29 AM
Quite true. The only change with Inoue since she arrived at HM is her suit, nothing else.

bax
October 14, 2006, 11:56 AM
Quite true. The only change with Inoue since she arrived at HM is her suit, nothing else.


You're forgetting about her powers. You see, Inoue does heals Ichigo and others many time in SS and material plane. But, in HM, she actually "restored" a missing part of a body (Grimmjaw's arm). I dunno whether her powers are evolving or just because the environment in HM influencing her powers like what happened to Ishida.

mangadictus
October 14, 2006, 12:44 PM
You're forgetting about her powers. You see, Inoue does heals Ichigo and others many time in SS and material plane. But, in HM, she actually "restored" a missing part of a body (Grimmjaw's arm). I dunno whether her powers are evolving or just because the environment in HM influencing her powers like what happened to Ishida.


I forgot that one, my bad. But aside from those 2, nothing much has happened for her. I think the environment has got nothing to do with it. Wheter it's in SS or HM, it'll still be the same. Well, Ishida's case is different, of course.

Koyuki
October 14, 2006, 02:05 PM
I like the idea that Inoue now knows about her friends being there to save her, which draws me to the theory that those walls are kinda similar to the ones they had Rukia in SS that does not allow her to feel Ichigo's reiatsu.

I doubt this. In one of the previous chapters, there was a shot of Orihime in that room. The area around her showed that something major was happening. This all happened when they first entered Hueco Mundo and the arrankar were muttering about them busting in. So, I think she knows they're there. She's just playing dumb to not show too much interest in their happenings. All in all, she's worried about them.

Narasu
October 14, 2006, 02:08 PM
The chapter wasn't too bad... though I was dissapointed to find out that Aizen was not using his shikai to create illusions of Rukia and Renji. Hope the next chapter has more action.

mangadictus
October 14, 2006, 02:32 PM
The chapter wasn't too bad... though I was dissapointed to find out that Aizen was not using his shikai to create illusions of Rukia and Renji. Hope the next chapter has more action.


Why didn;t I think of that? If that's hell true, then everything about this chap is a big lie. Now which would you like most? Chap is true but average, or, chap is false but rather very exciting since we will surely get to see action if Ichigo and co finds out that those two are just mere illusions only? Hmmm...

Narasu
October 14, 2006, 02:36 PM
Why didn;t I think of that? If that's hell true, then everything about this chap is a big lie. Now which would you like most? Chap is true but average, or, chap is false but rather very exciting since we will surely get to see action if Ichigo and co finds out that those two are just mere illusions only? Hmmm...


Heh, I definitely wouldn't mind it being "false but rather exciting" to a certain degree that is. Even if Rukia and Renji were Aizen's illusions, that wouldn't make the whole chapter false, since we knew Ishida and Chad were real from the beginning. Anyway, we know that they're real now. I'm sure we'll see what else Aizen has up his sleeve in a few chapters ^_^

Urazz
October 14, 2006, 05:16 PM
The chapter wasn't too bad... though I was dissapointed to find out that Aizen was not using his shikai to create illusions of Rukia and Renji. Hope the next chapter has more action.

How would Aizen use his shikai on them if they never seen him use it? That's the only way Aizen can hypnotize them from what we've been told so far.

Narasu
October 14, 2006, 05:28 PM
How would Aizen use his shikai on them if they never seen him use it? That's the only way Aizen can hypnotize them from what we've been told so far.


I forgot that Ishida and chad didn't see it. Ichigo for sure saw Aizen's zanpakuto, given by the fact that he was almost sliced in half. As far as seeing the zanpakuto goes, maybe with his bankai you don't have to look at it. We'll find out eventually.

Urazz
October 15, 2006, 07:28 PM
I forgot that Ishida and chad didn't see it. Ichigo for sure saw Aizen's zanpakuto, given by the fact that he was almost sliced in half. As far as seeing the zanpakuto goes, maybe with his bankai you don't have to look at it. We'll find out eventually.

You had to see him awaken his zanpakuto in order to be put under the hypnosis from what I've read in chapter 171.

Narasu
October 15, 2006, 10:33 PM
You had to see him awaken his zanpakuto in order to be put under the hypnosis from what I've read in chapter 171.


The only thing is, we don't know if he awakened it or not while Ichigo attacked him.
I know Aizen is really strong, but him stopping both Ichigo and Komamura's zanpakuto with just his fingers could be a sign that they were under his hypnosis.

Komamura obviously saw Aizen release his zanpakuto somewhere in the past, but I'm only speculating that Ichigo was also under the hypnosis because he blocked Aizen's zanpakuto and actually had to "look" at it.

We don't have enough evidence right now to say whether he was or wasn't under the hypnosis though. Although, it would be cool if he was ^_^

mangadictus
October 16, 2006, 04:44 PM
But what about those who were just watching. I bet they didn't see Aizen release his Shikai when he was attacked by Ichigo and Komamura unless he already released it even before the rest of the Gotei 13 got there. Again, just speculations.

Narasu
October 16, 2006, 08:40 PM
But what about those who were just watching. I bet they didn't see Aizen release his Shikai when he was attacked by Ichigo and Komamura unless he already released it even before the rest of the Gotei 13 got there. Again, just speculations.


I agree that if Aizen did release his zanpakuto, the others probably didn't see it. It's not for sure whether he even released on Ichigo at this point though.

Heh, it would make the story more interesting because Ichigo will fall under the hypnosis (if he hasn't already). So eventually we may see some Ichigo counter-hypnosis attacks ^_^

mangadictus
October 16, 2006, 09:07 PM
I agree that if Aizen did release his zanpakuto, the others probably didn't see it. It's not for sure whether he even released on Ichigo at this point though.

I do believe he already released it and was still in effect from the time that he used it on Renji and Rukia when they were getting away.



Heh, it would make the story more interesting because Ichigo will fall under the hypnosis (if he hasn't already). So eventually we may see some Ichigo counter-hypnosis attacks ^_^

Well, that'd be nice if it happens but you think Ichigo can escape it? He's not the Kidou type, you know. :eyeroll

Narasu
October 16, 2006, 09:13 PM
I do believe he already released it and was still in effect from the time that he used it on Renji and Rukia when they were getting away.


This is very likely and I hope it's true ^_^ I really just want to see Ichigo vs. Aizen again, but the espada are going to get in the way >_<

mangadictus
October 16, 2006, 09:21 PM
One quick question though: Do we have an indication if Aizen is gonna release his Shikai?

Narasu
October 16, 2006, 09:30 PM
One quick question though: Do we have an indication if Aizen is gonna release his Shikai?


Honestly, there isn't a 100% way to tell when he releases it, unless he gives us some obvious clues.. like when he fought Hitsugaya.
Hmm an example is when Ichigo blocked Aizen's zanpakuto... Aizen could've released it but made it so it wasn't an obvious release, I mean he blocked Ichigo's zanpakuto with his fingers later on in that battle lol.

So to answer that question, I don't think there is any indication of when he actually "releases" it, because the reader will probably only figure that its even released "after" we see him use the hypnosis.

mangadictus
October 16, 2006, 09:40 PM
That's what I thought so. Lucky him he has a kick-ass zanpakutou or he'll get owned by Ichigo. Can't wait for the next chap. : :dance