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Gold Knight
October 04, 2006, 04:28 PM
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Are you ready for 'em, Kakuzu?!

Geez, RAWs on Wednesday? Well, that also means my Comments will be out that much quicker this week! Let's see if I can get 'em all written before the weekend this time... ;)

As I promised last week, I'll be doing the Naruto ones on RAW Days from now on, at least. (Yes, even when RAW Day arrives this early...!) And to start off, I'll be using Yume's scanlation for the initial pics. But expect more higher quality images to come later on. Incidentally, if you want to clean any for my Comments, just send a PM my way.

Many thanks to NJT, Hisshou, and Yoshitsune for their translations. And most of all, to Touch for finding the chapter on the 'net - he's got mad RAW-hunting skills.

Well, the chapter's mostly action this time around, so not too much to say, but here goes. Have fun and feel free to comment on whatever grabs your interest. :)


* * * Gold Knight's Ten Comments on Naruto Chapter 326: Desired Pain...! * * *


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Probably not...

1. Sore Loser. Oh, yeah, like I'm going to sympathize with "poor" Hidan here. Yeah, so Asuma cut his freaking head off. But the guy himself was also just about to relish in causing some serious pain, too... except he was stopped short due to Shikamaru's quick thinking. So who is he to be complaining about being on the receiving end for a change? Tsk, tsk...

All of Hidan's bellyaching is starting to remind me of a little wimpy kid that I used to know in the third grade - and not especially good memories, either.

One more thing. Did anybody notice that Hidan asked Asuma flat-out, "Do you have any idea how much it stings?" - typically, I'd think being decapitated would have resulted into, gee, maybe PURE agony, instead of just some tingling pain as Hidan seemed to imply that it felt like to him!

Sure, Hidan's reacting a lot more violently this time than when Izumo and Kotetsu stuck their swords inside him, but he actually seems to be the one here with no real idea of what REAL pain is... and I think there's a reason for that. Somehow, I believe his body has been designed to save him from experiencing extreme pain.

Almost as if he's running on anaesthetics or something similar... although, he clearly still feels pain to some degree.

Edit: I think I may have been misled a bit by njt's translation. Some of the other translations did seem to say that Hidan was in tremendous pain. So, yeah.


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Maybe Shikamaru just needs to go to the bathroom?

2. Gettin' Tight...! Okay, now we know that forcing Hidan out of the pentagram, while being a very impressive feat, still took all Shikamaru had.

I'm not too surprised, because otherwise he would have seemed like a stamina freak not unlike Naruto. Still, that's bad. This really doesn't bode too well for Asuma's team at all if the kid can't support them with his Kagemane anymore.

No wonder Asuma was finally contemplating retreat, even though they seemingly only had one Akatsuki left to tackle. If they fought on, without Shikamaru being there to save their behinds, they really did have to make all their next moves count.


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Kung fu time, beeyotch!

3. Unfinished Business...! Well, of course Kakuzu wasn't just going to let his bounty get away just like that! Makes Hidan look like a slowpoke here, doesn't he? Though, all right, Asuma did just have his leg stabbed by Hidan's voodoo jutsu, so that limited his dodging ability here. Much easier to knock away here than Shikamaru was for Kakuzu.

Still, Kakuzu still seems pretty fast...! He moved around that area as though as he was teleporting for a while there.

I wonder why Kakuzu didn't just take care of Asuma right there and then, though... after all, Izumo and Kotetsu couldn't have been able to do anything about it at that instant, since they were both too far away. Hmm.

Kakuzu must have been preoccupied more with getting Hidan's head back to his body than anything else. And it almost seemed like he held back his punch, too (after all, wasn't too long ago that we saw him crush a rooftop). Maybe he's just trying to keep Asuma in one piece so it'd be easier to carry his body back downstars. Heh.


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You won't feel any pain... err, forget it.

4. Dr. Kakuzu to the Rescue! Man, these two really are the perfect pair. I didn't expect Kakuzu to have a hand in actually re-attaching Hidan's head to his body aside from just stacking the two together again.

I don't think Hidan would have needed Kakuzu's stitches if he had more time to recuperate, but they didn't have any time to waste and Kakuzu was making sure that his head wouldn't fall off again if it was hit by, say, a kunai.

I've gotta say, though, Izumo and Kotetsu made a major mistake here. They should have taken Shikamaru in arm and carried him TO Asuma, so that they could at the very least protect both of their exhausted teammates at the same time. And in doing so, they ALSO would have daunted Kakuzu from getting to Hidan's body, just in case. Now, they're all in deep trouble...


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Blunt and to the point, eh?

5. Akatsuki Teamwork...!? Well, finally. I've always been kind of annoyed that we'd get all these solo Akatsuki battles despite these guys usually running around in pairs. The last time we've seen the Akatsuki team up in an actual battle with other shinobi was with Itachi and Kisame against Kurenai and Asuma, but they admittedly held back out of fear of attracting more attention to themselves from the rest of the village.

After that, we've only seen Itachi and Kisame return separately as fakes against Kakashi's team and Gai's team, then Deidara against Gaara, then Sasori and Deidara (again) in battles of their own, and then Hidan foolishly believing that he could take on Asuma's team all by himself. And yeah, I know that we also got to see Tobi and Deidara against the Sanbi, but I don't really count that one as it was against a bijuu - you'd think that would definitely call for teamwork, after all.

Anyway, I don't believe that if Sasori and Deidara would have lost if they had just fought together against Kakashi's team. I mean, just imagine Deidara distracting them all with his explosions just enough that Sasori would be able to poison them with his metallic shards. Game over...!

Similarly, I also think that Asuma's team would have been finished from the start if Kakuzu and Hidan had both attacked simulateously in the first place. Shikamaru wouldn't have been able to save Asuma from Hidan's "Pentagram of Doom," at least, not while worrying about Kakuzu punching him every moment.

It's just scary to think of what the Akatsuki can do when they're working together in a battle. And now we're probably about to get a glimpse of it here...


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Okay, so how does he manage to hold it up?

6. Like Master, Like Weapon...? Okay, I'm calling Kotetsu's spiny weapon a massive club, because I have absolutely no idea what it would be called otherwise. Fitting that it'd reflect his spiky hairstyle in its shape, though.

Though it seems an awkward weapon, I suppose it'd be effective in breaking somebody's head. Hey, if cutting the heads off doesn't work, let's smash 'em to pieces, huh? Also seems like the top could be disengaged from the hilt, as well... perhaps a hidden trick?

Well, all in all, I'm just glad that we're finally seeing some new jutsus and weapons from some of the other jounins in the village. Looks like Kishimoto has been on a more creative roll lately.


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Yummy...!

7. The... Candyman...?! Okay, that's one jutsu nobody could have expected. "Field of the Syrup Candy?" Whoa.... Izumo must've been so popular when he was a kid! Now we know what he'll be doing after he retires - start a candy shop. (Sidenote: Looks like he's the water type, huh?)

But anyway, actually, I like it. Very good example of what some good teamwork can usually accomplish and Izumo and Kotetsu have obviously been through a lot of battles together...!

Kotetsu already knew even as they started their attack what his partner was going to do. When he summoned his weapon, he was able to quickly prepare his feet with chakra in rapid succession so that he would be able to skid along the same sticky liquid that would hold the enemy in place.

And the combination usually would have happened so fast that the other guy wouldn't even have a chance to defend himself against the falling blow. But of course, Kakuzu wasn't just any opponent...!


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Say "Uncle," folks...!

8. In the Cold Clutches of Kakuzu...! Well, now we know what the clips on Kakuzu's arms were all about. Creepy. Must've operated on his own body at some point.

Looks as though as Kakuzu's a little bit like Shino in some respects - but whereas Shino controlled bugs inside his body, Kakuzu instead has moving cords of some kind inside his own so that he can control them in order to stretch his forearms and probably other parts to far distances. Did he replace his tendons with these...?

Considering his name comes from "Bishop," and he has the ability to be able to take out an enemy several squares away, though, the technique is fitting. I don't know about bishop pieces in shogi, but if it's like chess, definitely appropriate.

A little too similar to Sasori, though, in some respects. Kakuzu seemingly treats his own body like a puppet, too, but I suppose in this case, he's alive instead of being a wooden imitation. Or is he a zombie...? Heh, a zombie and a skeleton together, that'd be all we need.

Sidenote: I hate to say it, but I saw two things here that kind of peeved me. First, Kotetsu was about to smash his weapon on Kakuzu's head. Even though he was suddenly choked, he that still wouldn't have stopped the momentum of his weapon from falling down on his head. Heck, Kotetsu could have even let it go and that would have caused a headache for Kakuzu for sure.

Second, why didn't Kakuzu just punch them both down? Granted he probably wanted to keep them from moving around, but yeesh... although, Kakuzu probably could move his cords in order to strike at their necks in much the same matter as Shikamaru might use his Kage Nui. Uh-oh!


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Oh noes...!

9. Back to Square Circle One! Aw, man. I was thinking that Shikamaru's team would be somehow at least remove the "voodoo curse" Hidan has on Asuma before he was able to get back to the pentagram. Looks like that's not the case, though. Oh, nuts.

Actually, I think that three-bladed scythe would probably have done Asuma in all by itself, that struck right into the stomach. Hope either Izumo or Kotetsu is a healer. Asuma sure looks like he's going to need one, now.

I'm very surprised by this turn of events. I didn't expect Kishimoto to come back to the pentagram being a major factor again in the battle, especially so soon.


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This guy likes seppuku way too much...!

10. The End of Asuma...?! Of course, having a healer in the vicinity is the least of Asuma's worries right now. Oh boy. Is he going to survive this one? Doesn't look likely, does it? :s

That would be far too anticlimatic for Hidan to just kill Asuma like that, though, so I've got to think there's still something Kishimoto has in store for Asuma. Might be that Hidan will miss his vital spot, or something? Doesn't look like he exactly hit his own heart there. Still, ouch!

And I suppose Shikamaru running instead of doing the Kagemane again means that he's totally out of gas now. Yikes.

I've gotta admit I'm kinda getting sick of Hidan now. Initially he was fun, but now he's starting to annoy me a bit. I don't think Naruto and Kiba qualifies anymore as the loudest mouths in the world right now - Hidan definitely takes the cake there.

No Crackhead Theory this week. Just don't have one in mind, sorry.

RATING: 3 out of 5 stars. Yep... even though I was startled a lot, this chapter only gets a '3' despite all the action. I wasn't too impressed to tell the truth. There were too many scenarios in this battle where I saw that I think Kishimoto clearly let himself get carried away just to provide a little more extra drama. But all that doesn't matter if the storytelling was sloppy. However, nice to see Izumo and Kotetsu in action and finally to find out what Kakuzu can do, though.

Predictions: Heck if I really know what'll happen next. Shikamaru isn't going to be able to solve this one - he's the only man standing right now capable of doing anything, and I'm not sure what he could do. And, unfortunately, I don't think he'll still have the time to do any kind of meditation at all!

Credits: Thanks to Yume for her scanlation, and also to the Touch for the early RAW! Good job to NJT, Hisshou, and Yoshi for their respective translations, and finally to my mod staff for taking care of everything so that I could concentrate on my Comments.

Hope you enjoyed, and looking forward to seeing what you think!


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Comment... or it's Choke no Jutsu time! XD

Luckas
October 04, 2006, 05:20 PM
Earlier comments, this is really a lucky day. I enjoyed reading them, but I'll comment tomorrow: too sleepy to think clearly. :sleepy :sleepy :sleepy :sleepy :sleepy :sleepy

CupofDice
October 04, 2006, 05:28 PM
Just noticed that Kotetsu's weapon looks like the Sanbi. Interesting. Wonder if it can 'move', 'bite', spit out water. I wonder if it is like Sasuke's sword, and Asuma's knives, able to accept his element (if he has one). It would make sense since it is hard to image a water user using a sword like that. Also I just thought of Kakuza as being an Undertaker (which explains his 'medical' abilities). I can imagine him roaming around graveyards digging/burying bodies. The Grim Reaper and the Undertaker. They are a good team :smile-big. I think I may like Kakuza now, since Kishi obviously knew what he was doing with them (shame on me for doubting :mad). And one more thing is that suiton is basically like Asuma's katon (not quite fire, not quite water). I'm jutsu obsessed, what can I say. I definitely think Asuma is going to die, but I still want him to do a wind type jutsu where he blows out wind from his mouth. That should take Hidan out of his pentagram. I think Kotetsu and Izumo are dead too, and I really think Hidan and Kakuza are going to torture Shikamaru and let him run back to Konoha as a message of what is to come. Shika definately can do with a darker personality to match his shadows. I think Kakuza didn't hit those two because he wanted to hold them, not knock them out of reach (he is still in that suiton afterall). Kotetsu not hitting him doesn't make since though. Anyway I loved this chapter. By your standards :smile-big 5 out of 5 for me. :smile-big

ibra87
October 04, 2006, 05:30 PM
Great comments :thumbs, but seems like you've (for once) forgotten something xD There is a backup team on the way!!!!! How the **** will Shikamaru all alone with no chakra be able to take on a group of two, whom each is probably able to beat the crap out of him one-on-one? The backup team must be pretty bad-ass. Let's say... Kurenai's team? Then again, it's two people who are most likely as strong as Itachi and Kisame, so unless someone like Gai or Jiraiya is sent, it'll probably end up with Akatsuki winning this round.

Also... it would be too silly for Asuma to die. It's very normal for manga series to show you someone getting stabbed at the end of the chapter, then having this same person surviving in the very start of the next one. But now Asuma's shown us his trump card, so I guess he'll die anytime soon anyway ^^

That's all. I am really happy to see the comments on the raw day xD

glasskatana
October 04, 2006, 06:40 PM
I'm actually surprised you only gave this chapter a 3 out of 5. As that's what I gave it when I read it and you usually rate the chapters higher than I do. :p

Will comment more later.

Gold Knight
October 04, 2006, 08:03 PM
Just quick note that I'm going to edit my calling Kotetsu's weapon an axe and call it a massive club, instead.

I'll come back and reply to everybody's posts later (or at least as many as I can ^^)

glasskatana
October 04, 2006, 08:13 PM
O.K. Here are my initial comments.

1.) Nothing to say. Good points.
2.) I agree, but it still seems like Shikamaru's gone down a little too quickly. Oh well.
3.) Oh, you didn't catch it GKsr? Asuma used Plot-no-justsu in the nick of time to slow down Kakuzu's punch and confuse him into re-attaching Hidan's head instead of going straight for the kill. :p
4.) Me-thinks Kakuzu may have been the one that re-attached Deidara's arm. I agree, Izumo and Kotetsu aren't thinking like ninja, though actually thinking like ninja is rather rare in Naruto. It's more common to think like warriors or anime characters or...not think at all.
5.) To gain great power one must pay great costs. Most of the Akatsuki members have more than likely isolated themselves and become rather anti-social in order to gain such great powers. That means they probably aren't very good when it comes to working as a team.
6.) His weapon reminded me of a crustacean. Or the Sanbi. Also, is that a hole in the weapon? Perhaps he shoots things out of it.
7.)... That's all I have to say. Truth be told though, that's probably a very useful tool for ninja.
8.)I found Kakuzu's powers so far, un-impressive and a bit unoriginal. Also, about the sidenotes, I agree, but that's what happens in manga and anime. (it's similar to the fact that even though everything takes place in a split second, characters still have the time to scream out the name of their attack. :notrust)
9.) So is that the same pentagram from before, or what? Also, it would have been smart if they had destroyed the pentagram instead of simply moving Hidan out of it.
10.)I'm actually kind of hoping for an Ichigo-like moment here (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i58/glasskatana/manga-rainbleach-ch173-18.png) where the hero comes at the last moment in a very cool, attack-stopping, eye-popping way. It may be Naruto who does it. It may be someone else. If it does turn out to be Naruto, then Hopefully we get some kick-ass new techniques from him. I can't wait. (note: don't count on this, if you do you may become dissapointed. I have learnt to deal with the dissapointment of my theories. :crying)

On a sidenote of my own, this chapter confirmed something for me. If possible, every ninja team really REALLY does need a medical ninja. It's fundamental, and would be very useful especially in this situation.

Gold Knight
October 04, 2006, 10:20 PM
4.) Me-thinks Kakuzu may have been the one that re-attached Deidara's arm. I agree, Izumo and Kotetsu aren't thinking like ninja, though actually thinking like ninja is rather rare in Naruto. It's more common to think like warriors or anime characters or...not think at all.


Good thought there - hadn't thought of that at all. I think I commented a while ago that I thought one of the last remaining Akatsuki we've yet to see was a healer, but looks as though Kakuzu may be that person. How weird that would be, though...

I still hope Naruto won't appear in this fight, though.

ChuckinUpDueces
October 04, 2006, 11:52 PM
First I was surprised that you rated this chapter so low. After last weeks turn of events, I would have thought that this kind of rebound for Akatsuki would be lauded as great storytelling. Differing opinions I suppose. Enjoyed the comments none the less. :)

Some thoughts:
I think that weapon looks like some sort of forged shell from a sea creature. I guess it's just a hard weapon to dodge, what with the spikes on it and everything.

That field of candy syrup looks like a pretty useful technique, too bad these idiots forgot they were messing with Akatsuki and they pale in comparison. I agree it's pretty dumb how complacent, and star struck these "ninjas" get when facing guys that Itachi of all people considers strong. :blink

One thing I gotta say is putting someone's neck in a deathgrip doesn't just illict "let me get one more move off" reactions, however it's interesting that no one has made a move for a Kunai yet too possibly sever the tendons, instead there watchin Asuma get skewered. Ow! :darn

Just how many of those poking-sticks does Hidan have hidden in that cloak of his? :eyeroll

Asuma must really be hurting to not even try and slice Hidan's main weapon in half or at least dodge and cut that rope he's controlling it with. Such mind numbing events. I think see now why you didn't like this chapter GK! :amuse All Shika said was the curse doesn't work outside the circle, obviously him gettin more of Asuma's blood won't spare him any from what he's got already. How foolishly dimwitted!

The Fourth
October 04, 2006, 11:58 PM
so early man so early
I just woke up and we have scanlations and comments
I'll comment your comments just asec... I need to remove this tear of joy from my eyes :amuse

1: I hate Hidan :notrust
2: "Where is the backup where is the fucking backup??!!" "They wont come boys. But Trouble is on its way"
4: Now that was weird. they both look like Frankensteins now
6: That is a really odd looking weapon. I agree with you guys it looks like the Sanbi. It must be more then just a big, silly looking club.
7: Now this is real teamwork :)
8: Kakuzu is a freak :notrust
He stopped the club and those 2 with those things in him. Just like Shikamaru made Hidan immobile with his shadow jutsu. I dont like that :notrust
and he probably has those things all over his body. I know its silly but somehow he reminds me of Bane. :notrust
9: Oh no not again ! :notrust
10: I hate Hidan even more :notrust
but I wont believe that someone is dead untill I see the others at that persons funeral :)

it was an interesting chapter. Somehow things are going to turn. perhaps Asuma does something with his last strenght so Shikamaru can escape. Or backup arrives, or here is my last idea:
Shikamaru pierces through Asumas body at the same spot where Hidan pierces through his own and so Asuma survives :blink
I know this sounds weird but
this chapter confused my mind :blink

venicia777
October 05, 2006, 12:15 AM
1) Hidan is still in the process of becoming my favorite akatsuki (until the others we dont know much about get their moment). But he sure talks a lot. Here he was yapping about how painful Asuma's action was to him and yet he was the one who stabbed asuma as well as try to kill him by piercing his through his heart.

I guess it is one way to get his mind a little off of the pain he inflicts on himself all the time.

2) Yeah!!! i was really proud when Shikamaru managed to pull an Akatsuki member -hidan- out of that pentagram. Even though i dont think it took too long but it sure took a lot out of shika. at least that demonstrates his growth as well as the frightening power of an Akatsuki.

I was quite surprised though the kotetsu said they had an advantage because of being a man up (in terms of uninjured team members). Didnt he hear **long ago** from Asuma that the Akatsuki pair were each stronger than he is. i guess they thought they could handle it- although i wasnt impressed at all at forgetting so soon they were the ones who suggested retreat to Asuma not long ago.

3) you certainly have a point there. i thought Kakuzu could destroy all 4 of them (2 basically out of commision) if he wanted. But it looked like getting Hidan's body back in time was predominant on his list of things to do. Or was it that apart from this reason seeing how Shikamaru and asuma easily deciphered Hidan's jutsu he didnt want to take any chances (like he at least gave them some respect).

Anyways- that was incredible teamwork.

will continue later.

bax
October 05, 2006, 12:33 AM
It's rare for us to have the RAW in Wednsdays, but sure some good surprises this week :grin


One more thing. Did anybody notice that Hidan asked Asuma flat-out, "Do you have any idea how much it stings?" - typically, I'd think being decapitated would have resulted into, gee, maybe PURE agony, instead of just some tingling pain as Hidan seemed to imply that it felt like to him!

Geesh... It must hurt a lot. I wonder how he can stand it. Or frankly speaking, he's the only one who can experience it ;)



Kakuzu must have been preoccupied more with getting Hidan's head back to his body than anything else. And it almost seemed like he held back his punch, too (after all, wasn't too long ago that we saw him crush a rooftop). Maybe he's just trying to keep Asuma in one piece so it'd be easier to carry his body back downstars. Heh.

I completely forgot they're battling just outside the bounty post :p From the pic only, I say Kakuzu is really fast. Even a Jounin (although an injured on) can see fast movements. But it seems that since kakuzu attacked Asuma's back. either Asuma is really out of this one or Kakuzu is simply blazing.


4. Dr. Kakuzu to the Rescue! Man, these two really are the perfect pair. I didn't expect Kakuzu to have a hand in actually re-attaching Hidan's head to his body aside from just stacking the two together again.

Well so much the Shadow Sewing technique I suppose... I never expected that from Kakuzu and I had hoped a better idea from Kishi. First the FreddyvsJason scene at the end of the last Chapter, and now Kakuzu's technique is like the incarnation of the monster in JeepersCreepers. All in all, I see Kakuzu is the one who repaired Deidara's arms. He's like a dark medic nin to me.

Strategically, better take Kakuzu out fast. No use if fighting other members of Akatsuki if there's someone like Kakuzu is there to "repair" everything, especially Hidan.


Though it seems an awkward weapon, I suppose it'd be effective in breaking somebody's head. Hey, if cutting the heads off doesn't work, let's smash 'em to pieces, huh? Also seems like the top could be disengaged from the hilt, as well... perhaps a hidden trick?

A large ancient seashell to me. Who made that weapon in the first place? Very unpractical. I bet it's heavy. hard to use and eventhough it's big, I'm pretty sure it's slow. Yeah like you said, this is for bashing something that is not moving. That's why they cast the glue jutsu first..


7. The... Candyman...?! Okay, that's one jutsu nobody could have expected. "Field of the Syrup Candy?" Whoa.... Izumo must've been so popular when he was a kid! Now we know what he'll be doing after he retires - start a candy shop.

Uhuh.. This jutsu, what a weird name? The jutsu is good but, the name is really out. Syrup candy? Whoever created this jutsu must love candies. Must have been created by a candy shop owner in Konoha. Free supplies I should say...


Looks as though as Kakuzu's a little bit like Shino in some respects - but whereas Shino controlled bugs inside his body, Kakuzu instead has moving cords of some kind inside his own so that he can control them in order to stretch his forearms and probably other parts to far distances. Did he replace his tendons with these...?

Kishi really likes movies huh? At soon as I see this, I imagined the sentinels in Matrix. These "tendrils" or whatever they are called must be pretty strong. I would imagine they are not some kind of blood vessels or rope or wire. Just imagine it. To be able to use it strongly even though at a long ranges, that tendrils must have something to make sure they are quite durable. I don't see someone came up and be able to cut them easily.


That would be far too anticlimatic for Hidan to just kill Asuma like that, though, so I've got to think there's still something Kishimoto has in store for Asuma. Might be that Hidan will miss his vital spot, or something? Doesn't look like he exactly hit his own heart there. Still, ouch!

Aaahh... Don't worry about Asuma. He isn't finish. Well this last scene is either perfect for a cliffhanger or for some surprises next week. I don't buy that Asuma will die. If he should ever die, he'll die in a more dramatic way than this, after all his the Sandaime's son. Give him a proper death if he's not gonna make it.

Hoenestly, Kishi has put more twist into this plot. Really, only Itachi thus far in the Akatsuki who is normal. Akatsuki is like a group of weirdos playing circus. Fishman, flytrap, talking hand, dr voodoo, wire stomach and now we got a tailor who can just sew about anything.

Really, as you did, this Chapter didn't deserve to have high ratings IMO. Sure is nice that he got a glimpse on Kakuzu, but somehow all the efforts done by Shikamaru and the others were just been thrown away into the drain. They are back to square one and only to found out they got no chance fighting these two monsters.

Good comment as always. I just hope the backup arrives soon. So, that we may see a great encounter. My prediction : The backup arrives and made some mistake by attacking Hidan - Asuma will suffer. And a glimpse on Naruto. It's been too long now.

white silver
October 05, 2006, 01:20 AM
[b][font=verdana][size=1]So it's back to the pentagram again, have you noticed Shikimaru always uses the most tiresome technique to catch the opponent. Like Temari for instance.... he did say he had other "methods" to catch her. Maybe this time he'll really surprise us again!

*If this is like chess, Asuma's the Sacrifical piece, then I *speculate* that this is all part of Shikimaru's plan...... come on [color=red]GK you have to agree with me on this*

Siedhr
October 05, 2006, 02:46 AM
A bit of copycat here, though I don't think it is intentional. Kakuzu's arms are exactly like Kurotsuchi's arms (from his battle with Ishida).

Re Hidan: I stopped liking him when he got into his skeleton mode. I don't like this design, looks like a bad Halloween costume.

Luckas
October 05, 2006, 06:07 AM
My thoughts:

1) I believe Kishimoto wanted to show us a furious Hidan, but he failed miserable because we didn't get this feelings.

2) I agree with you, I think it's realistic that after Shikamaru forced an Akatsuki member to move with his jutsu, he is exhausted.

3) Maybe Kakuzu want to leave some enemy for Hidan or his actions are related to the way his jutsu works.

4) The complementarity of their abilities was totally unexpected for me, I think there could be more about the Akatsuki pairs than we thought.

5) Until now more than teamwork they apparentely divide the enemy between themselves to avoid interferences from their "partner".

6) 7) Interesting weapon and jutsu, but what is the meaning if they were rendered useless in a couple of pages? This seem poor planning by Kishimoto, but I could be wrong.

8) I think in a panel we see some Kakuzu's tendril attached to the Kotetsu weapon's grip, that could explain why Kakuzu isn't hit. Maybe I'm saying something obvious, but I think the tendrils could be similar to the web of one of the sound four, so they are powered by chakra and Kakuzu could perform in many way with them without worrying they could breaking or having enough force.

9) This scene was really confusing for me: in a panel I see a black tendril near Asuma foot :confused (what's the meaning) and it isn't clear if Asuma is sufferring for the scythe which hit Hidan before he reenterd the pentagram.

10) First thought was: Asuma is doomed, but when I saw it was the last panel it became clear he isn't dead, at least for now. But Shikamaru's behaviour is strange, why running, even if he is totally out of chakra: he lost his head (strange, maybe out of character) or he has a plan (improbable, but not impossible)?

Finally, this chapter didn't impressed me, but I can't clearly grasp why. The action isn't too predictable and there is an interesting twist, even if it isn't very original, probably the fault is of the drawnings which were too confusing without reasons.

Robotic Red
October 05, 2006, 01:18 PM
9) This scene was really confusing for me: in a panel I see a black tendril near Asuma foot :confused

Top of page 11, we see Hidan throwing one of his black pikes at Asuma. It missed.


10) First thought was: Asuma is doomed, but when I saw it was the last panel it became clear he isn't dead, at least for now. But Shikamaru's behaviour is strange, why running, even if he is totally out of chakra: he lost his head (strange, maybe out of character) or he has a plan (improbable, but not impossible)?

Or maybe he's just worried about his sensei. Occam's Razor.

Luckas
October 05, 2006, 04:19 PM
Top of page 11, we see Hidan throwing one of his black pikes at Asuma. It missed.Thanks, that cleared a lot.


Or maybe he's just worried about his sensei. Occam's Razor.

I get what you mean, but acting without thinking will not help his sensei.

midnight789
October 06, 2006, 12:14 AM
Man, if I didn't think Hidan and Kakuzu we're the greatest duo of all time before this chapter, I definitely think so now. I agree with you that Hidan is definitely one of the biggest loud mouths in all of the Narutoverse, but he never gets old to me (He's just way too amusing). Also, about Asuma, I think he's dead as a doornail, or will be at some point next chapter. Even if he survived Hidan shoving a steak through his heart, he was already really badly injured by the scythe in Hidan's abdomen from before that. That would probably have killed him eventually anyway, even without Hidan shoving a steak through his chest. Also, no one seems to think he's dead, so it'd be a real shocker. As for the backup, I predict it will show up really really soon. Or at least I hope they do, 'cuz the A-Team is pretty badly screwed, especially if Asuma is dead.

HisshouBuraiKen
October 06, 2006, 08:18 AM
Remember the backup that was on its way? Yeah, it's gonna be

a) Kurenai, and
b) too late.

Asuma is toast :P

Navid.
October 06, 2006, 09:39 AM
Great comments on the chapter as usual Gold Knight :)

One thing wich caught my eye during this chapter was this series of frames:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/navid00/Blood_Drop.png

Why devote so many frames to a couple of blood drops inside the pentagram?
Wasn't the pentagram created/drawn from Hidan's own blood in the first place?
Am I just reading too much into this? (dont answer that... :) :p)

Basically I'm just wondering what youre thought's are on this...


Keep up the great comments...
(looking forward to reading your One Piece and Bleach comments once you get the time to post them :))

white silver
October 06, 2006, 11:06 AM
Great comments on the chapter as usual Gold Knight :)

One thing wich caught my eye during this chapter was this series of frames:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/navid00/Blood_Drop.png

Why devote so many frames to a couple of blood drops inside the pentagram?
Wasn't the pentagram created/drawn from Hidan's own blood in the first place?
Am I just reading too much into this? (dont answer that... :) :p)

Basically I'm just wondering what youre thought's are on this...


Keep up the great comments...
(looking forward to reading your One Piece and Bleach comments once you get the time to post them :))


[b][font=verdana][color=green][size=1]I think it's the purpose to "surprise" the reader. As the blood falls, the scene expands REVEALING that Hidan is now back to his own pentagram, I guess this builds the "shocking" scene upon realizing that now Asuma is now back in square one. *I noticed that as I used CDisplay viewing a very large image view from the manga, as I read through each frame*

Gold Knight
October 06, 2006, 01:02 PM
Agreed with White Silver on that, Navid. The point was to do a suspenseful pulling shot from the blood on the ground to reveal that Hidan was standing on the pentagram, which was a big "uh-oh" scene for Asuma.

Although Kishimoto didn't do very dynamic angles, so he didn't quite make it all that startling. He does it like the anime would have.

I'm just going to comment on anything that caught my eye here, because I still really don't have time to go back and respond to everybody (sorry)...



Man, if I didn't think Hidan and Kakuzu we're the greatest duo of all time before this chapter, I definitely think so now. I agree with you that Hidan is definitely one of the biggest loud mouths in all of the Narutoverse, but he never gets old to me (He's just way too amusing). Also, about Asuma, I think he's dead as a doornail, or will be at some point next chapter. Even if he survived Hidan shoving a steak through his heart, he was already really badly injured by the scythe in Hidan's abdomen from before that. That would probably have killed him eventually anyway, even without Hidan shoving a steak through his chest. Also, no one seems to think he's dead, so it'd be a real shocker. As for the backup, I predict it will show up really really soon. Or at least I hope they do, 'cuz the A-Team is pretty badly screwed, especially if Asuma is dead.


We all thought Neji would have died too, after that battle he had with Kidoumaru, but he didn't. Asuma MAY be a cold stiff eventually, but I don't think it'll happen next chapter. Like I said - I think it would be too anticlimatic...




Just noticed that Kotetsu's weapon looks like the Sanbi. Interesting. Wonder if it can 'move', 'bite', spit out water. I wonder if it is like Sasuke's sword, and Asuma's knives, able to accept his element (if he has one). It would make sense since it is hard to image a water user using a sword like that.

We don't know yet if Kotetsu is a water user ( Izumo is the one who did the field of the syrup candy ). But that's a pretty interesting theory, if he is one. Maybe we'll find out next chapter.

Wish Kotetsu's weapon was shaped like a tiger, though. Winterlion told me that the name Kotetsu can mean "tiger's path" so that would have been appropriate.


Also I just thought of Kakuza as being an Undertaker (which explains his 'medical' abilities). I can imagine him roaming around graveyards digging/burying bodies. The Grim Reaper and the Undertaker. They are a good team :smile-big. I think I may like Kakuza now, since Kishi obviously knew what he was doing with them (shame on me for doubting :mad).

Kakuzu, the Undertaker, huh - heh. Yeah, Kishimoto did a nice job designing them both. They go with each other well.


And one more thing is that suiton is basically like Asuma's katon (not quite fire, not quite water). I'm jutsu obsessed, what can I say. I definitely think Asuma is going to die, but I still want him to do a wind type jutsu where he blows out wind from his mouth. That should take Hidan out of his pentagram.

That's a pretty good idea... blowing wind out of his mouth, heh. Superman-esque, huh. But he should've done it sooner if he could have been able to do that, I think.


I think Kotetsu and Izumo are dead too, and I really think Hidan and Kakuza are going to torture Shikamaru and let him run back to Konoha as a message of what is to come. Shika definately can do with a darker personality to match his shadows. I think Kakuza didn't hit those two because he wanted to hold them, not knock them out of reach (he is still in that suiton afterall). Kotetsu not hitting him doesn't make since though. Anyway I loved this chapter. By your standards :smile-big 5 out of 5 for me. :smile-big


Well, if that happens, it'll definitely validate the Akatsuki's menace for me. But at the same time it'd be sad. :/

And Shikamaru with a darker personality - I can't imagine it, he's always been so carefree, heh.



Great comments :thumbs, but seems like you've (for once) forgotten something xD There is a backup team on the way!!!!! How the **** will Shikamaru all alone with no chakra be able to take on a group of two, whom each is probably able to beat the crap out of him one-on-one? The backup team must be pretty bad-ass. Let's say... Kurenai's team? Then again, it's two people who are most likely as strong as Itachi and Kisame, so unless someone like Gai or Jiraiya is sent, it'll probably end up with Akatsuki winning this round.


I didn't forget- actually, but like Hisshou said, they'd be too late. Izumo already said it'd be at least thirty minutes before they got there. The battle's going too fast right now.



A bit of copycat here, though I don't think it is intentional. Kakuzu's arms are exactly like Kurotsuchi's arms (from his battle with Ishida).

Yeah it is a little bit like that, but I don't think it's intentional either.

I'll come back later guys ^^

midnight789
October 07, 2006, 12:00 AM
We all thought Neji would have died too, after that battle he had with Kidoumaru, but he didn't. Asuma MAY be a cold stiff eventually, but I don't think it'll happen next chapter. Like I said - I think it would be too anticlimatic...

Hmm, while he's may not be dead immediately from the steak in Hidan's chest I still think he will be dead next chapter. After Hidan got back on his pentagram thingy and took his scythe in the abdomen, Asuma was on the floor looking like he was going to die anyway. Although my main question is how his death is going to affect Shikamaru. :(