One Piece 552 Discussion/553 Predictions Thread

[Raijū]

I wonder how garp survived after he found out that ace and luffy turned pirates...
by the way when did ace ate the "mera mera no mi"? it say that he was a logia before meeting Shirohige

[Black Lagoon]

Hopefully Iva ate the hormone fruit. She would have died of a heart attack after each new big revelation Luffy is telling her :-)

Agree, what Oda's given to us lately isn't suitable for cardiac :tem

[bboytempo]

i guess if whitebeard wasnt hurt he could have taken out all of the admirals by himself.. even though rayleigh found it hard fighting with 1 admiral. Guess that makes whitebeard same level as pirate king if not his first mate.

[Romanov D Paul]

Great revelations there guys, this chapter and the whole war are truly serious stuff :)
But, there's something I wish to discuss: remeber Robin speaking of the Goro Goro no Mi of one of the "invincible powers"? By then I taught that this title was reserved for Logias, and not everyone also. Trough time and mostly now I've almost changed my mind(since WB was called "earthquake man"by Sengoku it's quite easy to assume his fruit his a Paramecia, since I can't see how earthquake could be considered an element at all). Paramecia actually cover an incredible vast array of powers, since any superhuman ability that don't involve elemental control or animal shape change is a potential Paramecia ability. And some of them may very well be better then elemental control and elemental form, as provided by a Logia, let alone animal change shape (unless u are Chopper, maybe...). Waddya think about it? Taking a closer look, some Paramecia shown til now have some of the charateristics of a Logia, or better, they even let u produce and manipulate an almost infinite amount of a given substance or the like(Doru Doru, Doku Doku, and Awa Awa also) OR turns your body into a given substance(Gomu Gomu, Supa Supa), but never both ability. Maybe this is the real difference between very powerful Paramecias and Logias, who knows. That's quite a quirk indeed.

[DARK]

i guess if whitebeard wasnt hurt he could have taken out all of the admirals by himself.. even though rayleigh found it hard fighting with 1 admiral. Guess that makes whitebeard same level as pirate king if not his first mate.

Whitebeard was said to have been on par with Gol. That means he is stronger than Gol's first mate.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Actually, I think that Whitebeard is a quake man and not an earthquake man : I think there will be mistranslations.
That means he is suppose to be able to do quakes on everything and not only on the ground. That is why thanks to seaquakes, he was able to create a tsunami.
This picture (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f6c02d43510186) shows what I mean : quake man, not earthquake man.

[DARK]

Actually, I think that Whitebeard is a quake man and not an earthquake man : I think there will be mistranslations.
That means he is suppose to be able to do quakes on everything and not only on the ground. That is why thanks to seaquakes, he was able to create a tsunami.
This picture (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f6c02d43510186) shows what I mean : quake man, not earthquake man.

Aren't seaquakes just underwater earthquakes?

[Lord Rayleigh]

Aren't seaquakes just underwater earthquakes?
Normal seaquakes, yes. But here, I thought that the seaqueakes he has done were only because he affected/quaked the water itself. I do not think that WB made the island of the MHQ quake to create the seaquake (otherwise, we would have seen MHQ quake) or that he quaked the seabed from his ship (without making everything between him and the seabed quake) either.

What I mean is that WB can quake everything and not only ground. He does not need earthquakes to quake thing : he is a quake man.
For example, if WB punches you, he can make your body quake, and if he touches air, he can make air quake, and if he touches water, he can make water quake and thus seaquakes, and if he touches ground, he can make ground quake and thus earthquakes.

[Romanov D Paul]

well, that's an interesting theory.
also, I'm not used to almost random prediction but... in the last chap, Akainu's hear was put in very clear display before the coming of the MD, right? like he was aware of the coming events more then the other admirals altough they noticed something too... MAYBE his power could be related to hearing, I know it doesn't sound any exciting but what if it is, by any chance, the same power of Gol D Roger? "he had the power to hear the voice of all things", said Rayleight. We know that two identical DF can exist but not at the same time, right? I guess it would be very significant for the marines to have such a man among their rank... IF Roger's power was due to a DF and IF Akainu really eat it... Nope it's fascinating but I think it's really not very probable :)

[sh4dx]

well, that's an interesting theory.
also, I'm not used to almost random prediction but... in the last chap, Akainu's hear was put in very clear display before the coming of the MD, right? like he was aware of the coming events more then the other admirals altough they noticed something too... MAYBE his power could be related to hearing, I know it doesn't sound any exciting but what if it is, by any chance, the same power of Gol D Roger? "he had the power to hear the voice of all things", said Rayleight. We know that two identical DF can exist but not at the same time, right? I guess it would be very significant for the marines to have such a man among their rank... IF Roger's power was due to a DF and IF Akainu really eat it... Nope it's fascinating but I think it's really not very probable :)

once again..the power to hear the voice of all things isn't because he had very good earing of hid df power it's more "metachorically" pls stop the stupid theories..and akainu became an admiral because he has very good supersonic hearing ability ? come on pls..o yes an admiral that hears everything "akainu: guys something coming go to fight and i'm goin to listen everything"...

[Organizized]

once again..the power to hear the voice of all things isn't because he had very good earing of hid df power it's more "metachorically" pls stop the stupid theories..and akainu became an admiral because he has very good supersonic hearing ability ? come on pls..o yes an admiral that hears everything "akainu: guys something coming go to fight and i'm goin to listen everything"...

We don't know for sure what the "ability to hear all things" is so don't state it as a fact. It's just as possible that it's DF related, although I also think it is meant in a metaphorical manner, but there's just as little proof behind that opinion.

Also, I think Akainu's devil's fruit power is a lot more flashy than the supersonic hearing thing. IF, and only if, he did have this awesome hearing power then it would probably not be all he had, but rather some kind of Zoan fruit of some animals with really awesome senses type. I don't think he's a Zoan user, though, since him being a logia user makes more sense and puts him more on the same level as the other two admirals.

Also, obviously the people who post these "stupid theories" don't think they're stupid or they wouldn't post it. This is a damn discussion thread, man, this is where you discuss each others' opinions. I'm of your opinion on pretty much everything you said in your post but you can't ask that anyone who isn't should stop posting.

[Romanov D Paul]

Well, a part from clearly stating that it is not at all very probable, I think that u're missing something in your reasoning; I mean, we dunnoa damn about that "power," we don't know if it's "metachorically"(I guess u meant "metaphorical") or if is a DF, and mostly I highly doubt that it would be limited to give u a good hear... It was the power of the latter Pirate King, "ehm"...

[Raijū]

Wait a minute... doesn't the "power to hear the voice of all things" look like mantra (can be it since Roger went to Skypiea)

[elitefox]

uhmm, does anybody remembers who on one piece has two df power?

is it aikanu?

[sh4dx]

i didn't tell anyone to stop posting..i just said about some stupid theories that's all..i know it's just a discussion forum but be more "realistic"(for OP world ofc xD) that an admiral that he is one of the greatest marine power to be zoan or a BLOOD-ADMIRAL or has a superhearing ability..it's just too lame.no offence to anyone but that's the truth..like the other 2 admirals i'm sure he is logia and he is lava/magma

[Raijū]

Great revelations there guys, this chapter and the whole war are truly serious stuff :)
But, there's something I wish to discuss: remeber Robin speaking of the Goro Goro no Mi of one of the "invincible powers"? By then I taught that this title was reserved for Logias, and not everyone also. Trough time and mostly now I've almost changed my mind(since WB was called "earthquake man"by Sengoku it's quite easy to assume his fruit his a Paramecia, since I can't see how earthquake could be considered an element at all). Paramecia actually cover an incredible vast array of powers, since any superhuman ability that don't involve elemental control or animal shape change is a potential Paramecia ability. And some of them may very well be better then elemental control and elemental form, as provided by a Logia, let alone animal change shape (unless u are Chopper, maybe...). Waddya think about it? Taking a closer look, some Paramecia shown til now have some of the charateristics of a Logia, or better, they even let u produce and manipulate an almost infinite amount of a given substance or the like(Doru Doru, Doku Doku, and Awa Awa also) OR turns your body into a given substance(Gomu Gomu, Supa Supa), but never both ability. Maybe this is the real difference between very powerful Paramecias and Logias, who knows. That's quite a quirk indeed.

It was said at that time that except luffy no-one could defeat him and that his power where the most fear (you can't cut him, shoot him neither and the only thing he need to do is giving you an electric choc and you're out...)

[Organizized]

uhmm, does anybody remembers who on one piece has two df power?

is it aikanu?

It's impossible for a Devil Fruit user to consume a second DF, gaining two powers. It's all discussed among the CP9 here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/03/). If you eat another one, already being a fruit user, you're a goner.

[elitefox]

It's impossible for a Devil Fruit user to consume a second DF, gaining two powers. It's all discussed among the CP9 here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/03/). If you eat another one, already being a fruit user, you're a goner.

I remember there is a person only one that has taken 2 df and survive.
but I dont remember who exactly or I was mistaken :facepalm

Can anybody else confirm this?

[Raijū]

I just noticed a strange thing on Akainu' cheek (supposly under his eye)http://img139.imageshack.us/i/onepiece2t.jpg/. Is that supposed to mean he has some strange/special eye(s), thus giving him the reason to cover his upper face (maybe he is blind?)

[Lord Rayleigh]

I remember there is a person only one that has taken 2 df and survive.
but I dont remember who exactly or I was mistaken :facepalm

Can anybody else confirm this?

No, you are mistaken. For the moment, it has been said to be impossible and nobody managed to eat 2 DFs and survive.

[DARK]

uhmm, does anybody remembers who on one piece has two df power?

is it aikanu?

Since when does it mention about somebody having more than one Devil Fruit power? When was it confirmed that Akainu is a DF user to begin with?

[sh4dx]

When was it confirmed that Akainu is a DF user to begin with?

it will be confirmed at the next chapter :)

[chitgoks]

wow even though there aint much action here, this is still a great chapter! great to see shanks again and lotsa other new characters
[hr]

Since when does it mention about somebody having more than one Devil Fruit power? When was it confirmed that Akainu is a DF user to begin with?

no one can have two df's. well.. unless vegapunk managed to put two in a pacifista ... he he he

[JC123]

NO ONE can have a second DF.

Lucci (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/03/) mentions about being destroyed by a second devil.

[kkck]

You said he can control the earth and the sea. I've seen in a pic that he can also do airquake. That means he is not an earthquake man but rather a quake man.
So, that's why I sum up with the 4 elements saying he cannot control them but affect them on purpose with his powers.

Meh, technicalities, I wasn't being that deep in my post. I meant that for whatever direct or indirect reason he could control earth and the sea....

[jamjamstyle]

I wonder who the moustache guy is in the new spoilers... is anyone able to read what they're saying?:confused

[Dr. Vegapunk]

Perhaps Akainu has the GLUTTON FRUIT!!!!! A fruit ability that allows you to eat consecutive amounts of DFs and/or steal a DF power!!!! MUahahahahahaha. This would just be too monstrous and I doubt Oda would do this

But what about this.......

Ace is working undercover for the WG this whole time......hmmmmmmmm.....WB get out its a TRAP!!!!!

[cachaco99]

I wonder who the moustache guy is in the new spoilers... is anyone able to read what they're saying?:confused

i was thinking the same thing. there are 3 guesses

1-a division captain in whitebeards crew

2-a pirate in ace's crew

3-doesnt he look a lot like laffite? remove the mustache and he looks a bit like lafitte and with his clothes and hat. maybe its him
[hr]
i decided to take a closer look into the mustache man in the spoiler pic. i dont know how to place pics in these posts but i'll give you the link

mustache man - lafitte

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Lafitte

first look at the spoiler pic and then look at lafitte in the wikia link

the hats are the same - thats 1

now notice the ear rings on both (the same) - thats 2

next look at how MM's hand is touching his mustache and then look at how lafitte is touching his hat (the same) - that's 3

now look at the shape of the face (almost the same) that's 4

look at the chest - nothing really but i'll add it

MM is either lafitte or his dad but i think MM is lafitte

plus how did blackbeard gather his crew? did he pull a luffy and gather them slowly and one by one or did BB gather pirates from whitebeards crew since he was there

its pretty safe to say that MM is lafitte but ive been wrong b4. guess we'll find out

anyone agree?

[Organizized]

He hasn't got the cold, psycho eyes Lafitte has *cough*my avatar*cough*. I don't see what Lafitte would be doing on Whitebeard's ship either, nor why no one seems to be bothered about it. I'd say it's a divison commander, or someone of Whitebeard's crew at least. If he was in Ace's crew he wouldn't be grinning like that while Ace was being tossed around like a toy.

He might just be someone similar looking to Lafitte? :p

[cachaco99]

He hasn't got the cold, psycho eyes Lafitte has *cough*my avatar*cough*. I don't see what Lafitte would be doing on Whitebeard's ship either, nor why no one seems to be bothered about it. I'd say it's a divison commander, or someone of Whitebeard's crew at least. If he was in Ace's crew he wouldn't be grinning like that while Ace was being tossed around like a toy.

He might just be someone similar looking to Lafitte? :p

that cracked me up lol. i actually wanted to make a point about the eye cuz youre right. they are not the same. lafitte was a cruel and sick man and thats why he was banished. i still stick by my "thats lafitte theory" but u could be right too and maybe he's just a look a like. but i think its really lafitte.

sick avatar by the way. dont know why but when i first saw lafitte he creeped me out lol just his face lol but i think he's badass. cant wait to see him fight

[Organizized]

You never know, it might be a FAKE MUSTACHE *DON~~~*. Perhaps Blackbeard recruited him long ago and brought him with him onto Whitebeard's ship in a disguise. :o Maybe all of his members were in fact undercover Blackbeard pirates on Whitebeard's ship!!!

I think I might be on to something here... :police

[cachaco99]

You never know, it might be a FAKE MUSTACHE *DON~~~*. Perhaps Blackbeard recruited him long ago and brought him with him onto Whitebeard's ship in a disguise. :o Maybe all of his members were in fact undercover Blackbeard pirates on Whitebeard's ship!!!

I think I might be on to something here... :police

lol thats actually a cool idea if you think about it more. it brings to question - how did blackbeard gather his crew? i'm sure if more of whitebeard's crew went with blackbeard we would have heard something. and about MM smiling. we dont really know if he's smiling because of ace and if he is then he might be cruel and likes to watch ace being beaten up.

[Cloudbits]

NO ONE can have a second DF.

Lucci (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/03/) mentions about being destroyed by a second devil.

He just saying what he think, Blueno said that Grand Line scientist have already uncover the truth BUT those scientist is probably working for the WG. This eating 2 fruit will kill you is probably something the world government spread out to scare pirate from having multiple power.

[Organizized]

Yay~~~~ RAW is out!

Okay, seems the mustache guy really was a division commander, since he's with Whitebeard in present timeline. Also some that look like he could be Jinbei's brother is among them as well. :tem

Ace's flashbacks just keep getting better and better the more I look at them. I don't care what people say; this chapter looks a lot more epic and awesome than the latest ones.

[Mugiwara_no_Jack]

So RAW is out and it's again a awesome chapter.
I am surprised that Oda can give us every week a wtf-that's-awesome-epic moment.
Oda you're the man :)

[Lestat]

i dont know if its already raise in this thread but what type of devil fruit is the gura gura no mi of WB?.

[nillut]

Man I can't wait for the trans, looks like Aokiji didn't freeze either of the waves though.

@Lestat: It's paramecia.

[monkey D luffy]

just saw the raw and didnt understand anything!!!!! :D but im pumped up!!!!
i dont think the admirals can stop those tsunamis. aokiji might start to freeze it but its too damn big and he will be overwhelmed, lets not forget he will have to actually tuoch it because blowing on it will do nothing...

[Kaiser Will]

Now that I see the raw, aparentelly WB can, just like Rayleigh, strike a logia user too.
And even make them bleed.

[Sachsenhesse]

not only whitebeard

jimbei too, on dry ground

[Kaiser Will]

Oh yeah, I forget to mention him too.

BTW, WB appearence in the last page of chapter 551 he didn't have his scar in the middle of his chest, and some flashbacks in chapter 552 it doesn't appear as well, but in the same chapter it appears right into his spot. Did Oda missed this thing?
Because if I remember well that scar was made by Roger himself.

Anyway, Oda you're the man. Excellent chapter.

[Lestat]

if some kind of imba-nature's-wrath earthquake fruit is existing I wouldnt mind to see a storm storm fruit (dragon anyone?)

[dragonballz66]

Has anybody noticed on chapter 551, when Ace was introduced to Luffy, Luffy was already wearing a straw hat like the one given to him by Shank? Didn't Shank gave Luffy his hat when Luffy was older?

[Sachsenhesse]

jeah dragon, its my first guess

just because the strength of mother earth vs. the worldgovernment

its just ironic, that world government who rules the world, cannot rule the strongest powers of the earth

[gfire2]

scanlation out thanks sks :D

wow awesome chapter, if WB had that earthquake move then wat did roger have lol

edit: so ace was a former shiki?

[plex]

wow awesome chapter, if WB had that earthquake move then wat did roger have lol

Maybe he could perform a spirit bomb like Goku and gather energy from all over the universe:p

[sindergi]

I couldnt understand a single word but it looks great......
....but Ace tried to assassinate WB while he is sleeping or tried to hit him with an axe from behind - thats poor !!!!!!

And WB´s tsunami looks awesome, a good weapon against the DF-nonswimmer :D

[nillut]

Loved the flashback! Marco is awesome, can't wait to see him fight!

gfire2: It just said Ace was offered the post of shichibukai. We're not actually told if he accepted it, but I assume he didn't. That's in Svg's trans, dunno about sks' scan tho.

And dragonballz66 it was either a change in drawing style that made Luffy look younger or Oda accidentally drew the hat out of habit. He also missed WB's scar, but considering all the new characters he had to pull out of his hat for last chapter who can blame him.

[slippy]

scanlation out thanks sks :D

wow awesome chapter, if WB had that earthquake move then wat did roger have lol

edit: so ace was a former shiki?

it says he was offered the position as a shichibukai, but not that he accepted it. but he probably did =o

[chitgoks]

shouldnt whitebeard just make tsunamis here and there without showing himself? :D

[Black Lagoon]

shouldnt whitebeard just make tsunamis here and there without showing himself? :D

Ace risque get hurt

[arsene.lupin]

Loved the flashback! Marco is awesome, can't wait to see him fight!

gfire2: It just said Ace was offered the post of shichibukai. We're not actually told if he accepted it, but I assume he didn't. That's in Svg's trans, dunno about sks' scan tho.

sks scan using Svg trans.

another great chapter from Oda. Luffy already knew Ace was Roger's son :D

[sindergi]

a really great chapter - it looks great and now i can even read it :D

the new chapter :
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/

[SilversDKRayleigh]

chapters up on onemanga!

I can't wait to see everyones reaction to luffy appearing.

[Dalyup!]

Ace will probably be pissed; also, no doubt Ace told WB about him so maybe he'll recognise him by his strawhat (he could also know because it used to belong to Shanks).

Seems the spoiler about 50,000 marines getting owned and Aokiji freezing a tsunami was false... Man, I wish they'd stop doing that

Awesome chapter, though. Looks like Akainu is a bit old considering the lines under his eyes.

[Zeltrax]

The tension just keep raising.
Oda pwns.
Kindda shocked that luffy is ace's brother though.
Well, considering how he can't keep a secret and is a idiot...
& You gotta love the relationship between ace & Whitebeard during the flashback.
Kindda touching IMO.
Expecting more flashbacks ~
Luffy will be like an ant jumping into a storm, so I won't expect much from him, even though he's the main character, right now ace is in the center of attention.

[Black Lagoon]

Luffy takes things easy as always, me and Ace don't have the same dad, Ace's dad is Gold Roger you know, just like that, it's normal :gigglebunny

[Tomgoood01]

So neither Admiral has yet stepped in to stop the waves. The War will Finally start next week unless they skip it and go back to Luffy which would be gay, doesn't seem like there are anymore flashbacks so....

On With The War!!!

[Black Lagoon]

the famous phrase of Shanks, THIS CALL FOR A CELEBRATION!! :rofl

[Tomgoood01]

LOL on page 4-5 second Panel there a division commander (I think) that looks like a Moria well a Mini Moria actually i wonder what his powers are? LOL

[Black Lagoon]

LOL on page 4-5 second Panel there a division commander (I think) that looks like a Moria well a Mini Moria actually i wonder what his powers are? LOL

Lol, good point, he maybe his brother ^^

[chitgoks]

awesome chapter! thought aokiji stopped the wave. so we have to wait till next week to find out what happens next.

[Black Lagoon]

I was waiting for him to stop the wave, but seems there was a mistake in the spoilers :)

[NoLimit89]

wow there's no talk of 50000 marine will die if Akainu can't stop it soooo .... fake spoiler translations.

but seriously, I'm sure the marines can force the waves back with haki or something. like maybe mihawk can slash the tidal wave apart or garp will use haki or admiral uses their powers etc etc ...

ON WITH THE WAR!!!

and I can't wait to see Luffy joining but I dunno how much he can do. since there's no training in One Piece, I can see Luffy come up with something new and surpassing himself somewhere in this arc.

[Black Lagoon]

it's the second time we got a fakes spoilers translation, last time the bounty and now the 50000 marines + Aokiji ... minor details ^^

[Tomgoood01]

So far from what i seen in this chapter i can somewhat make out the WB 14 division Captains so here the list to my best the funny thing is the Wb guys on page 15 -16 half of them are switched up. LOL

Division 1 Marco
Division 3 Jozu
Division ? Mini Moria guy
Division ? Man with a mustache and black top hat
Division ? Tall long Blond hair wearing a cap with a WB tattoo on his chest
Division ? Square face guy with a goatee wearing headphones and a rocket Launcher on his back
Division ? Another Guy with long Blond hair shorter with sunglasses wearing a long chain
Division ? Guy having short curly black hair wearing a sword on his back with black coat
Division ? Fatter man with black spiked hair wearing a spotted shirt
Division ? Kid size guy wearing a longer cap holding a black handle sword
Division ? Older guy with a beard smoking cigarette wearing a black cape and hat
Division ? Another taller guy with long Black hair with a viking hat with a WB tattoo on his chest

well of those captains there are 12/14 supposedly WB division captains

[NoLimit89]

it's the second time we got a fakes spoilers translation, last time the bounty and now the 50000 marines + Aokiji ... minor details ^^

note to self, whenever there's any numbers involved, e.g. bounty, it's probably fake.

[Black Lagoon]

So, the fight between Ace and Jimbei ended in a tie, or not...^^

[FluffBall]

lol ace kept on trying to kill WB after he got on the Moby Dick but its cool how we see a fight between jimbei and ace

[iKeno]

Shanks is not going to sit around to let Luffy's 'brother' (and his former captain's son hehe) get executed and that's for sure.

[Akainu]

So far from what i seen in this chapter i can somewhat make out the WB 14 division Captains so here the list to my best the funny thing is the Wb guys on page 15 -16 half of them are switched up. LOL

Division 1 Marco
Division 3 Jozu
Division ? Mini Moria guy
Division ? Man with a mustache and black top hat
Division ? Tall long Blond hair wearing a cap with a WB tattoo on his chest
Division ? Square face guy with a goatee wearing headphones and a rocket Launcher on his back
Division ? Another Guy with long Blond hair shorter with sunglasses wearing a long chain
Division ? Guy having short curly black hair wearing a sword on his back with black coat
Division ? Fatter man with black spiked hair wearing a spotted shirt
Division ? Kid size guy wearing a longer cap holding a black handle sword
Division ? Older guy with a beard smoking cigarette wearing a black cape and hat
Division ? Another taller guy with long Black hair with a viking hat with a WB tattoo on his chest

well of those captains there are 12/14 supposedly WB division captains
The character designs are a little weeird. One of them looks like Laffite only with a black moustache and another one looks like jimbei in short, so does that have anything to do with jimbeis debt?

[tharkun]

The beginning of the battle is magnificent. After knowing WB's Devil Fruit, its clear now that Marine patrol ships were most probably wiped out by WB's tsunamis. Kizaru is good for close combat but not good against giant waves. Only Aokiji is good against water by freezing it of course. Akainu is a question mark. Even with such an awesome ability, its sad why WB couldn't even reach Raftel and become the Pirate King. Hope Luffy get a piece of the action soon. Sengoku should show some of his power too.

[Gcat88]

This chapter was awesome. amazing to see Aces backstory. u really see how much he grew wen he went alone, hell kid even got an offer to be a shiki!!! he isnt WB only son, i thought he was. this chapter answered a lot of questions for me but also posed a lot of other ones too. its time, WAR TIME!!!!

[Raijū]

LOL on page 4-5 second Panel there a division commander (I think) that looks like a Moria well a Mini Moria actually i wonder what his powers are? LOL

He look more like a fishman (look at his neck)

[Belisar]

The character designs are a little weeird. One of them looks like Laffite only with a black moustache and another one looks like jimbei in short, so does that have anything to do with jimbeis debt?
the 3rd commander's face looks like that of the giant who joined trafalgar law.

http://www9.picfront.org/picture/wTs9xKcDrB/img/18-19.jpg (http://picfront.de/d/wTs9xKcDrB/18-19.jpg)http://www9.picfront.org/picture/v69rxxLq0HF/img/18.jpg (http://picfront.de/d/v69rxxLq0HF/18.jpg)

[Deepak5191]

Now that I see the raw, aparentelly WB can, just like Rayleigh, strike a logia user too.
And even make them bleed.

And then fall asleep as if it was nothing :D

But seriously with power like that and no roger to hold him back I have to wonder why he isn't pirate king yet?

Some insanely strong natural occurrence that they haven't been able to overcome yet maybe?

[Duc :D]

maan greaat chapter was nice to see aces pirate career in a short flashback^^ the killing tries were the most exciting xD

anyone else noticed akainu in the last panel looks pretty old? and the two waves seem to destroy part of the pirate armada as well dunno cant wait for the next chapter^^

[Polemidis]

And then fall asleep as if it was nothing :D

But seriously with power like that and no roger to hold him back I have to wonder why he isn't pirate king yet?

Some insanely strong natural occurrence that they haven't been able to overcome yet maybe?


who knows.. he might have his own reasons like him being to old for that shit and he wants a new-age pirate to take the crown prob coz he knows what one piece is... it could be the very idea of the pirate-adventure life. or maybe if he went for it the other 2 Yonkou might go against him and he didnt want to take that risk.. maybe if he was younger or coz the power balance in the world might screw up

Shanks fought with kaidou since he attempted to attack WB.. he might not be in condition to appear.. y think its possible to see a glimpse of him in last page or something?

about the waves i think they will reduce the damage but they will still have casualties.. maybe some DF users will become numb if they get caught :P

[gold349]

So, the fight between Ace and Jimbei ended in a tie, or not...^^

Ace stood back up to square off against WB...Jimbei wasn't shown, Young Ace, Ace overall imrpesses me.

this chapter, how Shanks knew of ace was cleared up, ties up why Shanks came to visit WB to ask him to call Ace of BB's hunt.

[Lord.Strife]

Nice chapter well it seems all the crap we argued about last week has been comfirmed or gone out the window. I want to know how ace found out who luffys parents are.
Since ace told luffy who his dad was and we know that luffy didn't know he had parents.

prediction:
WB will die
Garp is gonna fight WB. He just looks like hes getting ready to fight besides he did give the warning that the wave was coming.

Wish list which could happen:
Boa will be hurt and luffy save her/ gets fkn angry and smashs marine and wb crew like an out of control monster.
When this is all over luffy punches ace really hard with haki so that aces df is suppressed. Just cause i wanna see it. Fist of love.

[Raijū]

Did someone noticed that the Ace of Spades' flag and Mugiwara's look the same, specially the skull & bones part?

[jamjamstyle]

Wish list which could happen:
When this is all over luffy punches ace really hard with haki so that aces df is suppressed. Just cause i wanna see it. Fist of love.

I think that Luffy punching Ace a certain possibility is. Seeing how Ace is regretting everything he did and that's where luffy give him his punch of love to get Ace back to his senses.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Shanks is not going to sit around to let Luffy's 'brother' (and his former captain's son hehe) get executed and that's for sure.
Actually, he already has done a very important thing. He has prevented Kaidou's crew from fighting WB's. If the both Yonkou had fought, the WB crew would not have made it in time to MHQ and Ace - and Luffy too - would have died.

[Kaiser Will]

And then fall asleep as if it was nothing :D

But seriously with power like that and no roger to hold him back I have to wonder why he isn't pirate king yet?

Some insanely strong natural occurrence that they haven't been able to overcome yet maybe?

I think that WB don't really want to be the pirate king, seriously, I don't know why, maybe there's a reason for it, and problably has, but if WB wants to be the PK he would have been a long time, and instead he, as Sengoku said, wants to make Ace the next pirate king, but Ace don't want too, so just leave to us Luffy and BB. The final showdown for the PK title.

[Nonlife]

What I don't get is Ace like it was a startling news to hear Roger was his father (like it was for the 1st time) Now we just found out that he knew for a long time, probably at a young age - so did Luffy - and he even told WB. What's up with that contradiction? I hope Oda didn't take advice from Kishimoto.

[Moogle Mango]

No, it was more like he doesn't want people to know who his father is.

GREAT chapter! WG is in troubleee!!

[gucci mane]

LOL on page 4-5 second Panel there a division commander (I think) that looks like a Moria well a Mini Moria actually i wonder what his powers are? LOL

He looks like a mix between Moria and Jimbei AY! :o If that is true, than it is pretty much settled that Moria is a girl and Jimbei is one sick fishman lol AY!.

About Jimbei and Ace tying, they were on the ground AY!. We have seen how ridiculously powerful Jimbei is in the water AY!. If Ace can only tie on the ground, then just give Jimbei a pond and Ace is getting a ass whopping AY!.

Last thing, is Marco Canadian? He says 'eh' more than I say 'AY!' AY!.

[zidane]

Did someone noticed that the Ace of Spades' flag and Mugiwara's look the same, specially the skull & bones part?

Wow really!? Skull and Bones on a pirate flag, now that you mention it, the similarities are scary!

/me facepalms

They both look like Pirate flags, hai hai.



Last thing, is Marco Canadian? He says 'eh' more than I say 'AY!' AY!.

No, he's not. You just read a scanlation with svg's translation on, and he decided to put it like that...:

We're hated all around the world, eh. [[Marco ends some of his sentences with "yoi", it reminds me of Canadians saying "eh", so I'm going with that]]

[Drmke]

This was one hell of a chapter!! And it should put to rest the annoying theories that Luffy is also Gol D. Roger's son.

Awesome to find out that Ace was approached to be a Shichibukai. Never would have thought that.

And holy crap!! Whitebeard's power is un-fucking-believable lol Earthquake is a badass power. I guess that also puts to rest the theory that only newer pirates really used Devil Fruit powers.

This probably means lots of the older pirates have Devil Fruit powers, they just don't need to use them as often cause they're so powerful already.

[goddess00]

My prediction:
Dragon with the WIND power.
Gold Roger with the power to COPY or SUPPRESS other Fruit power. This is the reason why he fought with Garp who had no DF power in many occasions.

[cachaco99]

my "mustache is lafitte" theory is wrong. in pages 04-05 in the second panel from the top right i can see mr mustache.

oh well guess i was wrong like i thought i would be. maybe mr M is lafitte's dad or brother or just a look a like

[tothx]

Look at the picures of Whitebeard sleeping! Same nose bubble as the D.'s!

[kkck]

Epic chapter, much better than what I would have expected. What surprised me the most was WB strength, the guy is many times stronger than what I initially though. Seriously, the guy fought ace head on and was constantly underhandedly attacked and he easily took out ace many times. Not only that, but it was confirmed the guy can hurt logia's which means the admirals have got nothing on him. I am also more convinced that at least the top commanders are capable of fighting on par with the admirals.

WB quake powers were epic, he can cause them even on the air. Can't help but wonder what kind of power roger had though.... To be able to match and maybe even best WB... Buggy is way over his head in this one, there is no way he can actually kill WB and even if he does he would have every WB division commander after his head....

I wonder what kind of power sengoku has though. He has been around for quite some time which would suggest he has a very decent amount of power. Cant wait for the next chapter.

[DARK]

I just read the chapter myself and it was great.
Love Ace's flashback with Whitebeard and Teach. It was touching to see Whitebeard and the other crewmates fighting the World Government for Ace. It is a parallel to the Enies Lobby confrontation, surprisingly placing similarities of Whitebeard to Luffy (who in turn has traits similar to Roger, WB's rival). It seems Whitebeard's abilities allow him to form quakes in any location he chooses, including the air, but they still call him an "earthquake man." Overall, what a great chapter to begin the long war. Compared to how Bleach is starting the Vizard/Arrancar battle on a faulty start, One Piece is actually doing a great job.

[Scias]

Good Chapter with bad ending in my opinion.

I really hoped that WB wouldnt rely on the power of a DF.

Maybe next chapter we see WB demonstrating a way to overcome the curse of DF ...
At least it looked like he floats the whole MHQ. If he would do so then noone who posesses the power of a DF will stay alive afterwards without getting rescued by normal people.

Lucky that we know WB is no ordinary guy. He wouldnt sacrifice himself so easy and if this earthquake would be big enough to sink everything, he wouldnt use it in front of Ace while him not beeing able to help him (coz DF curse).

From now on I really am interested in this logia-kicking ability.
Jimbei and WB were able to hit Ace who posesses one of the logia-types.

I never doubted that pirates like Shanks and WB could defeat logia-types, but now that it is about to be confirmed, I'm looking forward to see him kick the asses of these goddamned admirals.

Im also wondering if WBs fruit is a logia or a paramecia.

[Duc :D]

Anyoneelse noticed that the 3 daughter ships of WBs own fleet are simply small moby dicks?xD^^

[Bugzee]

AMAZING CHPATER!!! Full of everything! Love the flashbacks!!! LOL spade pirates rule and that shanks meeting was cool.

I can understand why the marines reported that WB was no where to be seen and 'all commmunication have been cut with the patrolling ships' becasue they got SEAQUAKED!!!!! LOL

If WB's DF's power is so monstrous and he battled with Roger so many times, plus the fact that Garp had battles with Roger so many times, i think Garp must have some awesome DF ability/power as well. (off course Roger must have had a power on the same level or even better to WB's!!!!)

I can see Shanks appearing after reading this chapter but towards the end i guess with Rayliegh. LOL that was funny when Luffy revealed Ace is father to the Okama queen/king loool!

and WOW that Jinbei and Ace battle AWESOME!!!!

Anywayz, Oda i WANT MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! Great chapter!!!!!

[chess4]

so it seems that either whitebeard and his army or the WG will crumble during this fight. wow the one piece world will be shakened

[happy GIN smily]

man Ace really lost some credit with his failed assinations of WB.
and Shanks is just great. whenever he meets someone, he wants to make party with him

[kkck]

Good Chapter with bad ending in my opinion.

I really hoped that WB wouldnt rely on the power of a DF.

Maybe next chapter we see WB demonstrating a way to overcome the curse of DF ...
At least it looked like he floats the whole MHQ. If he would do so then noone who posesses the power of a DF will stay alive afterwards without getting rescued by normal people.

Lucky that we know WB is no ordinary guy. He wouldnt sacrifice himself so easy and if this earthquake would be big enough to sink everything, he wouldnt use it in front of Ace while him not beeing able to help him (coz DF curse).

From now on I really am interested in this logia-kicking ability.
Jimbei and WB were able to hit Ace who posesses one of the logia-types.

I never doubted that pirates like Shanks and WB could defeat logia-types, but now that it is about to be confirmed, I'm looking forward to see him kick the asses of these goddamned admirals.

Im also wondering if WBs fruit is a logia or a paramecia.

I had hoped for that too but after seeing his ""omfg USSJ I pawn everyone F U" fruit, I would not have it any other way. Also, he is still capable of fighting quite a bit on his own, his fruit should not allow him to hurt logias. I would expect he is capable of quite some haki...

[Moogle Mango]

man Ace really lost some credit with his failed assinations of WB.
and Shanks is just great. whenever he meets someone, he wants to make party with him

haha!! Yeah Shanks is looking for any excuse to party and drink! Mihawk, don't want to fight?! PARTY! Ace, you are Luffy's brother?!! PARTY!! :D

[Scias]

... and he easily took out ace many times. Not only that, but it was confirmed the guy can hurt logia's which means the admirals have got nothing on him...


I doubt that the admirals dont have a chance.
We dont know yet if Akainu has a logia-type DF or any DF at all.
Also this logia-powers can quite far be understimated. Kizaru and AoKiji dont look like guys who just rely on the DF. Furthermore even if WB can touch them it can also be like Luffy vs Enel.
If a logia-type is fast enough with this material-transform evade, it doesnt matter if you can touch them. Kizaro may be even faster as Enel since he is sunlight.
On top of that I really doubt that its easy for him to evade or block a shot from Kizaru.

In my opinion its at least one chapter too early to predict this. But I myself hope that it will be the case :)

[sh4dx]

very good chapter.i'm not surprised although that ace had a shchibukai offer because it's clear that bb beating ace and giving him to wg makes him automatic shich..

[monkey D luffy]

so it seems that either whitebeard and his army or the WG will crumble during this fight. wow the one piece world will be shakened

literally :p:D

damn he air quaked! he broke the dimantion and made cracks in the air. thats bad ass.

i dont think sengoku was joking when he said that wb can destroy the world, with that df he can possible split the earth in 2.

[Scias]

I had hoped for that too but after seeing his ""omfg USSJ I pawn everyone F U" fruit, I would not have it any other way. Also, he is still capable of fighting quite a bit on his own, his fruit should not allow him to hurt logias. I would expect he is capable of quite some haki...

Yepp .. probably Haki or something similar to it.

Maybe years of training with haki techniques and super super inhuman power you can swim with the DF if you go all out.

I just cant think of WBs power as superior. If he makes one mistake he sinks himself and will just be a hammer in the sea. Thats also the fact why I dont like the idea of him posessing a DF power.

It makes OP look like everyone who wants to be in the top 10 of the strongest has to eat a ass-kicking DF.

[SenninSage]

man Ace really lost some credit with his failed assinations of WB.
and Shanks is just great. whenever he meets someone, he wants to make party with him

No, that's One Piece at it's finest.

Those attempted assassinations of WhiteBeard were meant to be funny and they were. Ace is a very powerful person, clearly exampled by the fact that he was invited into the Shichibukai and seemed to decline the invite. He was also able to fight with the likes of Jinbei evenly for 5 days straight.

It just goes to show how powerful WhiteBeard is to be able to do such a thing to a Logia type with virtual ease.

BlackBeard was clearly special in such a way that it seems even WhiteBeard himself realized the potential risk in Ace going after him by himself and was trying to warn Ace off and let this one instance be an exception to his rule, but Ace wouldn't have any of it. This makes WhiteBeard's character all the more amazing as he had the foresight to assume that things wouldn't end quite so simply if Ace went after Teach by himself.

You know what else was interesting with this chapter? The World Government's stressing of the D. in Ace's name. It seems we may be approaching a point in the manga where the significance is made more explicit? Still, this is an all around incredible chapter.
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Yepp .. probably Haki or something similar to it.

Maybe years of training with haki techniques and super super inhuman power you can swim with the DF if you go all out.

I just cant think of WBs power as superior. If he makes one mistake he sinks himself and will just be a hammer in the sea. Thats also the fact why I dont like the idea of him posessing a DF power.

It makes OP look like everyone who wants to be in the top 10 of the strongest has to eat a ass-kicking DF.

Not necessarily because even the ones with the DF prove that they have unbelievable power beyond just their DF. Also, as with Ace, there is proof that even if someone has an unbelievable DF, it doesn't yet mean they've reached their full potential. As powerful as Ace was, he was predicted to begin showing the potential to lead the new age of pirates.

I love how WhiteBeard and the crew won't allow Ace to take responsibility for his mistake even after they warned him not to go lol.

[llmcduff]

WB is more than a DF user!!!!!!! Ace, w/ his logia fruit power, couldn't touch WB in his sleep! For those of you who are disappointed that he is a DF user - come on!!!

[kkck]

I doubt that the admirals dont have a chance.
We dont know yet if Akainu has a logia-type DF or any DF at all.
Also this logia-powers can quite far be understimated. Kizaru and AoKiji dont look like guys who just rely on the DF. Furthermore even if WB can touch them it can also be like Luffy vs Enel.
If a logia-type is fast enough with this material-transform evade, it doesnt matter if you can touch them. Kizaro may be even faster as Enel since he is sunlight.
On top of that I really doubt that its easy for him to evade or block a shot from Kizaru.

In my opinion its at least one chapter too early to predict this. But I myself hope that it will be the case :)

I didn't mean to say thr admirals didn't have a chance, I simple meant to say the logias greatest and most dangerous power(immunity to physical attacks) is useless against WB. I do think that WB is stronger than them though. Seriously, WB was strong enough to easily hurt and defeat ace(who IMO could already fight close to an admiral), WB really must be a monster among monsters.

[AiddonValentine]

solid chapter, though I'm still not buying into this Ace-Roger bollocks (luckily it looks like I can just sweep it under the rug). What I'm more interested in is how the Shichibukai are going to act as it's clear that the majority have motives that aren't in the best interest of the Marines. Heck I half-expect Hancock to gank Ace in the confusion and plop him in front of Luffy as an engagement gift.

I also doubt Dragon is going to pass up this opportunity to wreak havoc on Mariejoa since the Marines have their hands overly full with Whitebeard.

[SenninSage]

I'm really thinking about this thing the wrong way.

Shanks wanted Marco to join his crew so that alone tells me that it's clear WhiteBeard isn't the only powerhouse here.

The Admirals, combined with the Shichibukai won't be pushovers, but anybody that is impressive enough to have Shanks want him to be in his crew is one to watch out for.

I have a hard time believing that someone like Ace wouldn't be able to fight on Admiral level... I really do so it just might be the case that WhiteBeard is just that damn powerful.

[ssj4jw]

I'm new to this (my 2nd post) but I was wondering with the whole world knowing of this conflict, how are the Gorousei reacting to this? Haven't heard of them since they got the news of Whitebeard and Shanks meeting.

[kkck]

I really think that the only reason there still is a marine fortress there is because ace is on it. IMO if ace wasn't there, WB would have just use his power to sink it.... WB does seem to be THAT powerful, even to the point where even the admirals don't seem to match up.

[TheBlackLotus]

Yepp .. probably Haki or something similar to it.

Maybe years of training with haki techniques and super super inhuman power you can swim with the DF if you go all out.

I just cant think of WBs power as superior. If he makes one mistake he sinks himself and will just be a hammer in the sea. Thats also the fact why I dont like the idea of him posessing a DF power.

It makes OP look like everyone who wants to be in the top 10 of the strongest has to eat a ass-kicking DF.

I dunno, the water weakness helps balance out the DF users so I really hope there isn't a way around it, because that basically would confirm DF always have advantage.

There's plenty of strong people without confirmed Devil Fruits yet. Akainu (though heavily implied, since the other admirals are logia DF, that many believe he has DF, and possibly logia too), Mihawk, Shanks, other Yonkou, Sengoku, Roger, Rayleigh. I mean there's nothing verifying that they don't have one either, but I don't see Oda making EVERY strong character a DF user, there's gotta be those out there who became powerful through sheer will rather than the aid of a fruit. Still don't believe Shanks to have one for example.

As for WB's DF ability, it's definitely Paramecia. I can't think of how WB's fruit could possibly be Logia type?

It also makes sense that he is a quake man, given how OP is, I could believe that if he wanted to, he could create one severe enough to split the world in two. Now given the power of such a DF, it makes sense that only someone who is considered the strongest man in the world could have such a power, and anyone else who may have had such a power would probably be able to rise to such a position if they mastered it correctly.

[zerooo]

Interesting enogh is that red dog was seated in the middle of the three admirals and since we don't know his powers (as the only admiral) yet, but know that he is absolte ruthless and don't seem to have any facial expression what so ever, not even eyes untill proven otherwise, i've got a felling that he will be the strongest of the admirals

[ZZPallando]

I don't know why but I can picture Luffy falling from the sky with his navy ship (due to Whitebeard's tsunamis). ^^

[Mr. Crocodile]

Ok i don't know if anyone has mention this already but there are a couple of things i wanted to point out...

1. For all those people who a complaining about WB's scar..When we see WB on ace's flashback he already had those scars, and then when we see him for the first time in our current time line he was had patches on his chest which were covering those scars, and again when shanks and WB met he still had them. Son imo Oda didn't make a mistake, i guess the only place where he forgot to put them was during ace's mini flashback on impel down. Also someone mentioned that the big scar on WB was given to him by roger but he only said to shanks that the wound giiven to him by that "bastard" ached everything he saw shanks. So we don't know who that is just b/c roger was shanks captain we can't assume he did it or Oda would have stated so.

2. We see Shanks one more time on a winter island. remember that we saw him there another time when WB was introduced. So this could mean that he's using this island as a base of operations after leaving luffy's hometown(except for that one time that mihawk visited him). Or it could be an entirely different island, he just likes the cold :p

3. I always wondered how ace got his devil fruit and from what we see on this flashback his jolly roger already had those flames around it, so that means he got it before leaving luffy. My bet is that Dadan gave it to him as a gift for completing his training and since luffy already had one he couldn't give it to him.

4. And about Jimbei being able to hurt logias me thinks is b/c his advanced form of fishmen karate is not really physical attacks b/c for what we saw on impel down is more like shockwaves..and since those are not physical attacks he could hurt any logia with that.

I really liked this chapter...Ace is shaping up to being a very interesting character who has gone through a lot of drama during his life.

[Roarchu]

I thought Ace wasn't one to cause such trouble like Luffy, but DAMN!!! He actually really is caused this war!!! Of course without meaning to

I also liked how Oda showed that Ace was really difficult to tame and that WB tried to stop him. I had thought that WB wasn't very wise when Shanks told him to stop Ace and he didn't. It was just that he couldn't, he was only protecting his son. He's an awesome character

Awesome chap

[Magellan]

Wow all that Akainu and Aokiji stopping the waves discussion was total bull! I love how much confusion was caused over it. :P

Anyways great chapter in my opinion, Ace's past totally opened more possibilities. I think that once Luffy's crew is re-joined and such, Luffy is going to encounter a Yonkou that wants him to join the crew or he'll kill him. I think it could set up a great match! Luffy vs Unknown yonkou, or Kaidou. :) Hell, I'm just dreaming though.

Also Jinbei owes WB a favor, could it possibly be because of the fishman in his crew that seems awefully similar looking to Jinbei? Top right, second to the right panel.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/04-05/

I could just be reading too deep, I doubt that character will even get any development >.<

Also if WB is in fact "Edwar D Newgate" We see him sleeping while Ace attacks him only for him to briefly wake up, defend, and fall back to sleep.
This could definitly help support the connection between instant sleep and the will of D.

Those waves are going to be stopped, Theres no way that they'd let the first wave wipe out marines with power equivilent to Coby, Helmeppo and I believe Smoker was in there too, So theres bound to be some more devil fruits lurking in the crowd.

Also does this guy sort of remind you of that Tap-dancing top-hatted fairy boy in Black beards crew, Seems like he could be his father or something. I just get that vibe from him, it`s probably just me.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/12/

[Zoro-kun]

I got a feeling that marco is very strong. Just see how calm he looks when they're attacking, and that concidering it beeing 3 admirals and 5 schichi there.. Luffy can't even beat 1 of those alone(!). I doubt WB can handle all of those either.

1 thing, in the spoiler it said that Aokiji freezed the one tsunami, that didn't happen..? =P

[Lord Rayleigh]

I really think that the only reason there still is a marine fortress there is because ace is on it. IMO if ace wasn't there, WB would have just use his power to sink it.... WB does seem to be THAT powerful, even to the point where even the admirals don't seem to match up.
Yes I completely agree with you. If Ace was not there, he could use his powers to destroy MHQ.

The beginning of this war show how strong WB is. There is not doubt that with his powers, WB could totally destroy MHQ : he just has to do earthquakes to destroy the whole island (even Sengoku said with his powers, he could destroy the Earth).
The problem is that Ace is in the middle of MHQ. That is why he only uses submarine earthquakes to create a tsunami : he only wants the marines at the entry of MHQ to be hurt.

[Mythsoul]

awesome chapter....I wonder how will the admirals and the shichibukai respont to that big ass wave that is coming to them....and what part will luffy play in all this

[happy GIN smily]

I don't know why but I can picture Luffy falling from the sky with his navy ship (due to Whitebeard's tsunamis). ^^

thats a nice idea. i would love to see that. and the faces of Garp, Sanghok, Ace, Smoker, Hancock, Moria, Kizaru, .... and many many more

[Superman]

Maybe Akainu has the power of Zoros demon stuff....wait does Zoro posess this ability because of his swords or doesnt he need them for this??? Answer please!!!

Anyway maybe Akainu can create illusions, god i hope not.
But maybe:D he has the smelly smelly no mi logia! He can make himself smell so bad that his opponents become unconcious.....er or he is just laser. Kizaru is light and Akainu is laser:D:D:D:barf:nuts:wtf

Well on to my prediction. I think Whitebeard will be taken out fast from Kuma which means WB vanishes as well. Kuma doesnt hesitate and doesnt talk he just do his job. First the Marine has to take on all the others WB has to wait. He is so strong that the Marine need all their forces for him alone. Kuma dont let the WB crew vanish because the Marine want them in jail right now.

[Zoro-kun]

what's up with this picture?? isn't this jimbei?? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/04-05/
top right, 2 panel.

Even tho it's not jimbei, he looks just the same xD wierd
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Well on to my prediction. I think Whitebeard will be taken out fast from Kuma which means WB vanishes as well. Kuma doesnt hesitate and doesnt talk he just do his job. First the Marine has to take on all the others WB has to wait. He is so strong that the Marine need all their forces for him alone. Kuma dont let the WB crew vanish because the Marine want them in jail right now.

that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard

[Superman]

what's up with this picture?? isn't this jimbei?? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/04-05/
top right, 2 panel.

Even tho it's not jimbei, he looks just the same xD wierd
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that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard

Maybe thats Jimbeis girlsfriend or so. :D

Nah come on this prediction is so awe....ccco.....i have no words for it i just agree with you.

[Black Lagoon]

haha!! Yeah Shanks is looking for any excuse to party and drink! Mihawk, don't want to fight?! PARTY! Ace, you are Luffy's brother?!! PARTY!! :D

he can't stop drinking
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/ssj_fighter/shanksdrink.gif?t=1240000578

[Max Mojito]

what's up with this picture?? isn't this jimbei?? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/04-05/
top right, 2 panel.

Even tho it's not jimbei, he looks just the same xD wierd
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that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard

yaa that guy loooks pretty badass, i hope its jimbei lil bro or something, because he looks like the same species as him... its goood to know the WB captains are so diverse, they have Logia types to fishman, and a Laffite look alike

[Black Lagoon]

what's up with this picture?? isn't this jimbei?? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/04-05/
top right, 2 panel.

Even tho it's not jimbei, he looks just the same xD wierd

I will not say Jimbei but Moria ^^

Edit : Superman Dammit you nailed it she's his girlfriend :tem are you happy?? : p

[SenninSage]

There's no doubt that Luffy's entrance will be pretty damn legendary. He's also going to be bringing quite a bit of firepower with him.

There is way too much power among the marines for them to be taken out like this, as impressive as it is.

Garp, Sengoku (can this guy even fight or what because he confuses the hell out of me sometimes with how he acts. He acts as if he just commands, but never fights himself) Smoker, etc.

I suspect Akainu may be the most powerful Admiral as well. He is dead center of the other 2 admirals and has this look of a veteran who is completely unchallenged in the power department and who commands the utmost respect from all around him, even the other admirals. His facial expression didn't change once and he doesn't seem remotely concerned about taking about the possibility of taking on WhiteBeard.

I figure he would be the powerful non fruit user where it doesn't matter if all that water comes his way. I have a feeling that Akainu is a time man. I believe he can rewind or fast forward time. He might be able to reverse the course of the 2 gigantic tsunamis and return to them what they were before WhiteBeard sent them sailing towards them.

It's going to be very interesting to see where this battle goes. I wonder when it is that the

[Belisar]

Maybe Akainu has the power of Zoros demon stuff....wait does Zoro posess this ability because of his swords or doesnt he need them for this??? Answer please!!!
it was zorro's aura btw. killer intent.

i don't see the pacifista there. they can't be left out in such a fight.

[Zoro-kun]

i've many times tried thinking of the abilities to Gol D. Roger and others. But i can't really seem to come up with many more ideas.

I've thought about something like earthquake ability be4, but never really thought of it as that good, even tho WB's ability seem super strong. like some of u said, something about "time".

Could everyone just try say some abilities Gol D. Roger / marco / shanks / anyone could possible have?

since we've seen fire (ace) and heat, i think we probably could see something with "cold"?

[SenninSage]

Akainu is a time man, I'm calling it.

[Zoro-kun]

i guess these also could be some abilities:

- sun
- wind (maybe dragon has this ability)
- melting
- slippery (like flubber :P)
- stone/rock man

im really out of ideas.. =/ :P

common help me =)

[DARK]

Shouldn't there be a thread for this?

[Zoro-kun]

Shouldn't there be a thread for this?

well, we could say we're predicting the last admirals abilities or marco's abilities.. then this thread is fine, isn't it? =)

[jiminy]

i think that in the confusion and destruction caused by the tsunami, Luffy and co and the entire ship will appear in the center of mariejoa. The tsunami that whitebeard caused started far out in the ocean and carried their ship to where the main battle is. The marines, confused about the arrival of a marine ship, are unsuspecting that it is full of pirates rather than marines. Luffy and co burst out and start to wreck havoc once again. This will enter the second Rescue Ace Arc

[Superman]

Nothing is more powerfull than time. IT would be a little too extreme

[Zoro-kun]

Nothing is more powerfull than time. IT would be a little too extreme

well.. to be able to stop the time completly would be over powered, but that a guy with the power of time wouldn't be to unlikely, i mean what abilities left are there??

[rockin_robin]

Wow...every new chapter is a shock to me!It was nice learning a bit about Ace's life and the fact that Luffy knew all along that Ace is Roger's son kinda freaks me-don't ask why!

What I don't understand is why WB hasn't claimed the title of the Pirate King yet...I mean he's freakishly strong and apart from the influence he has and the numerous pirate ships under his command,his DF gives him a tremendous power that could demolish every oponent...and he's been in that situation all those years.I realise that the other Yonkou must be equally strong,but still it kinda makes me wonder....

And why did Ace kept trying to assassinate Whitebeard:blink?

I can't wait for next chapter,I hope Luffy will finally arrive at Marine HQ!!

[k-dom]

Hey with the war, Oda is entered into a double page mode :-) Not that I complained since it is always great moment that deserve it.
Finally we don't know how the marine will deal with the double tsunami but that should not be to difficult, the only question is if the admirals will deal with it or not.
With Ace flashback, Luffy entrance and the door mistery is postponed. Even if the latter may take some time before being explained, I really hope that Luffy will enter in the action in next chapter.

Also, in AP they say that there is a double issue coming. Does it mean no chapter next week or the week after that ?

[Superman]

To be honest i dont like that the fight is more or less on the sea. Marineford is just too small it has to be at least 10 times bigger but thats just me. Anyway.

Here some fruits for akainu. Water logia Wind/Air logia, or he can control flowers and stuff, he is immortal and to be honest i hate all of them.
Ah he can shrink things and can let things grow as well:nuts:D..........

[kkck]

The tsunami is easy, aokiji can simply freeze it. He freezed a much larger portion of ocean whenhe first met luffy....

[Raijū]

really!? Skull and Bones on a pirate flag, now that you mention it, the similarities are scary!

/me facepalms

They both look like Pirate flags, hai hai.


No, he's not. You just read a scanlation with svg's translation on, and he decided to put it like that...:

I don't think you undersstood what i said. what are the possibilities that 2 people in 2 different place at a different time would draw the skull praticly extacly the same way (knowing that ussop didnt knew ace)

[Zoro-kun]

To be honest i dont like that the fight is more or less on the sea. Marineford is just too small it has to be at least 10 times bigger but thats just me. Anyway.

Here some fruits for akainu. Water logia Wind/Air logia, or he can control flowers and stuff, he is immortal and to be honest i hate all of them.
Ah he can shrink things and can let things grow as well:nuts:D..........

ye i was thinking about the flower and shirinking/grow stuff too.. I dunno how they could be any good powers tho.. Water ability.. =) i never thought of that lol^^ but that is very likely to be an ability. a strong one too

[Bugzee]

i wonder what the 'Doma gand' is? Could it be something to do with Doma the Pirate?

[Belisar]

i would be happy for none abilities. it takes a lot from someone if he gained his strength with devil fruit. rayleigh was probably the third strongest man in his prime without abilities.

[Superman]

Doo-Doo no mi.....or some syrup but hes an admiral his fruit has to be respected as well.
I cant imagine that he will (in the next chapter) try to stop the wave by being a doo doo man.
Think about it:D and than imagaine he starts fighting with Marco.

Sfx Flutsch!!!
MArco: Hiiiyaaaa FATHER HES THROWING WITH DOO-DOO:...WB: Then show him what you got son!!
Marco: Damn sure i will eh!
Akainu: What is that?!
Marco: The most powerfullest zoan.....iam EH dragon!!!(subtitled with: Very confident)
Akainu:....... sfx flutsch
Marco: EEEHHHH DAMMIT YOU BASTARD THAT WAS STRAIGHT IN MY EYE STOP THAT!!
Akainu: Iam Admiral Sakazuki one of the 3 greatest military forces of the Marine HQ.
Marco: WHATS UP WITH THIS LATE INTRUDUCION AFTER THIS SHIT DO YOU ALWAYS THROW DUNG BEFORE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF?!?!??!?!!
Akainu:.....................................................it wasnt me!
Marco: HELL YEAH YOU WAS IT, I SAW IT YOU LIAR AND HOW DO PLAN TO DEFEAT ME WITH THIS ANYWAY?!??!?!?!!!!!
Sengok: AKAINU GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF THIS ISNT A GAME!!!!
Akainu:......understood..........................................................................
Marco/ Sengok: WHAAAAAAAAAATT NOW HE DOES NOTHIIINNGG!!!!!
Sengok: I DONT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO STAND STILL AND QUITE OVER THERE!!!!!
Akainu: ROGER THAT SIR!!!
Sengok: Pah this guys can only do a good job under pressure:barf:D:D
Akainu: IAM ADMIRAL SAKAZUKI ONE OF THE 3 GREATEST MILITARY FORCES OF MARINE HQQQQQQQ!!!!!
Marco: I KNOW ALREADY WHO YOU ARE STOP REPEATING AND WHY ARE YOU YELLING ANYWAY!!!
Akainu: NOW IAM MOTIVATED!!!! UOOOOOOOHHHHHHH
Marco: EHHH LOOK GUYS HE REALLY IS!!!! SO FAST HOW???
Sengok whispers: oi dont overdo yourself
Akainu: OOOOOOOoooo.....................
Sengok: DAMMIT HE HEARD IT!!!:D:D


Doo Doo no mi doesnt fit. He is an intelligent and strong person and not.....That!!!

[Lee-tyme7]

I have read that WB is sick and will die soon whatever happens in some of the first spoilers. I do not remember if it was true or not, but that could explain why WB always wears a black bandana covering all the top of his head. Indeed, I do not think he has that from the beginning of this piracy as it is not really beautiful and useful either.
It may be that he does not have hair anymore because of a cancer or another kind of illness. Thus, he would have decided to wear a black bandana after he would have lost his hair. That would explain why he has got nurses to take care of him on his boat.

And the true is also that I would really like to see later a flashback of the both rivals for the PK title and with a heary WB. :p

I do not want to imagine/learn that WB has always been bald. :facepalm


LOL!! just because he wears a bandana doesn't mean he has cancer. This is One Piece all Pirates wear bandana or he just didn't want anyone seeing him bald underneath.

[c0nflikt]

the wind fruit is definately dragons df, its obvious from when he appeared in loguetown and the little flashback with iva and him, so akainu is going to be another awesome paramecia i think, because the possibilitys for paramecia fruits are endless and the extent of the powers could be anything.

[Winlyx-chan]

I loved this chapter! All hail Oda, Especially "This calls for a celebration" (Shanks) :beer

However after reading over this and the last chapter again I think Oda might have made a mistake in Luffy's age somewhere along the line. I don't think Luffy met Ace first then Shanks. During Ace's flashback with Shanks, Shanks was getting ready to draw his sword and attack Ace until Ace mentioned that he was Luffy's brother. Which meant that Shanks never met Ace or even heard about him from Luffy. Shanks was surprised as well when he found out about Luffy having a brother. However from what I gather from different sites is that Shanks stayed on Luffy's island for about a year. If that's true then how did Shanks not know about Ace. And even if that isn't true isn't it a little weird that Luffy never mentioned even once to Shanks about Ace. After all they seemed to be very close. So why wouldn't at one point Luffy mention Ace?

I think that Oda either made a mistake on the age Luffy met Shanks or the age he mt Ace. I can't see any other reason why Shanks wouldn't know about Luffy's brother.

[sh4dx]

the wind fruit is definately dragons df, its obvious from when he appeared in loguetown and the little flashback with iva and him, so akainu is going to be another awesome paramecia i think, because the possibilitys for paramecia fruits are endless and the extent of the powers could be anything.

don't be so sure.remember mihawk visited shanks to show him the first bounty of luffy.the weather was cloudy first but after shanks saw luffy poster and became happy suddenly sun came out.or when shanks visited wb at moby dick first it was a sunny day but after they talked about stop ace to get bb and both get nervous suddenly clouds came out and when they "fought" the sky was split in 2.so i think that some very powerful characters can control the weather or something like that with haki or a power that we don't know and not because of DF.

[SenninSage]

I loved this chapter! All hail Oda, Especially "This calls for a celebration" (Shanks) :beer

However after reading over this and the last chapter again I think Oda might have made a mistake in Luffy's age somewhere along the line. I don't think Luffy met Ace first then Shanks. During Ace's flashback with Shanks, Shanks was getting ready to draw his sword and attack Ace until Ace mentioned that he was Luffy's brother. Which meant that Shanks never met Ace or even heard about him from Luffy. Shanks was surprised as well when he found out about Luffy having a brother. However from what I gather from different sites is that Shanks stayed on Luffy's island for about a year. If that's true then how did Shanks not know about Ace. And even if that isn't true isn't it a little weird that Luffy never mentioned even once to Shanks about Ace. After all they seemed to be very close. So why wouldn't at one point Luffy mention Ace?

I think that Oda either made a mistake on the age Luffy met Shanks or the age he mt Ace. I can't see any other reason why Shanks wouldn't know about Luffy's brother.

Why hasn't Luffy talked about defeating Gecko Moria? Why hasn't he made a big deal about any of his accomplishments?

Why hasn't Luffy ever mentioned that his grand father was a famous marine or that his father was Dragon, the most wanted man in the world? Luffy isn't one to come out and talk about certain

Luffy's entire crew never knew he had a brother until they actually met Ace and Luffy just casually mentioned it as if it weren't that big a deal. It's similar to how Luffy just casually mentioned that he and Ace didn't have the same father and that Ace's father is Gol D. Roger.

That's just Luffy's character. He has never been one that seemed eager to fill people on details of what he has done or those he has been involved with. Everything he mentions is random and off the cuff. He would've never felt the need to mention Ace unless the subject ran on it. It's sorta how Luffy never bothered to even think about asking Rayleigh about One Piece.

[NANLIT]

I loved this chapter! All hail Oda, Especially "This calls for a celebration" (Shanks) :beer

However after reading over this and the last chapter again I think Oda might have made a mistake in Luffy's age somewhere along the line. I don't think Luffy met Ace first then Shanks. During Ace's flashback with Shanks, Shanks was getting ready to draw his sword and attack Ace until Ace mentioned that he was Luffy's brother. Which meant that Shanks never met Ace or even heard about him from Luffy. Shanks was surprised as well when he found out about Luffy having a brother. However from what I gather from different sites is that Shanks stayed on Luffy's island for about a year. If that's true then how did Shanks not know about Ace. And even if that isn't true isn't it a little weird that Luffy never mentioned even once to Shanks about Ace. After all they seemed to be very close. So why wouldn't at one point Luffy mention Ace?

I think that Oda either made a mistake on the age Luffy met Shanks or the age he mt Ace. I can't see any other reason why Shanks wouldn't know about Luffy's brother.
Last chapter when Garp left Luffy with Ace and Dadan, he already had the Straw Hat and scar, so this was after Shanks was gone and Luffy was at least 7. I think you are just assuming Luffy is younger than 7 because of how he looks, but that is just the effect of Oda's art style being different now compared to when he did chapter 1.

As for why Shanks never met Ace since he was at Fuschia Village for about a year, maybe Ace wasn't living there at the time. We know he was born in South Blue; we do not know where Dadan raised Ace for the first 10 years of his life. It's possible Ace and Dadan didn't go to Fuschia Village until after Shanks left for good, at which point Garp left Luffy with them as well.

[M.D.Ace]

couple things

@winlyx.... maybe i didnt see it properly but i dnt think shanks was getting ready to draw his sword against ace

i have been thinking. if enel was in this war on whitebeards side, lol this war would have been over. because enel and whitebeards powers are similar in terms of destruction power and the large scale it could cover. if enel were to use the big cloud thing he used on angel island with what whitebeard just used, the government would definately be done for....i just wish enel comes down to the blue sea. dam

ive also been thinking, what if ace gets rescued and he then joins in the war. again, that would be wtf pwnage for the government cuz ace is hella strong but i doubt it anyway since he would need rest before he could fight

i predict a smoker vs luffy battle here.. i think the only battle luffy will have here in which he could use haki

and for all the people sayin that whitebeard must have some different power that we dnt know of to be able to kick logia around..the answer is no - _ -...its just haki

[sh4dx]

the wind fruit is definately dragons df, its obvious from when he appeared in loguetown and the little flashback with iva and him, so akainu is going to be another awesome paramecia i think, because the possibilitys for paramecia fruits are endless and the extent of the powers could be anything.

don't be so sure.remember mihawk visited shanks to show him the first bounty of luffy.the weather was cloudy first but after shanks saw luffy poster and became happy suddenly sun came out.or when shanks visited wb at moby dick first it was a sunny day but after they talked about stop ace to get bb and both get nervous suddenly clouds came out and when they "fought" the sky was split in 2.so i think that some very powerful characters can control the weather or something like that with haki or a power that we don't know and not because of DF.
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and one more thing.i know ace is strong etc etc BUT propably he hasn't haki because it's obvious that if he had he could nutilify(don't remember how it's writing xD) bb's power but from what we saw the last attack was based on his fruit.

[Winlyx-chan]

Last chapter when Garp left Luffy with Ace and Dadan, he already had the Straw Hat and scar, so this was after Shanks was gone and Luffy was at least 7. I think you are just assuming Luffy is younger than 7 because of how he looks, but that is just the effect of Oda's art style being different now compared to when he did chapter 1.

As for why Shanks never met Ace since he was at Fuschia Village for about a year, maybe Ace wasn't living there at the time. We know he was born in South Blue; we do not know where Dadan raised Ace for the first 10 years of his life. It's possible Ace and Dadan didn't go to Fuschia Village until after Shanks left for good, at which point Garp left Luffy with them as well.

Then if Ace wasn't living there at the time then that means that Ace and Luffy haven't met yet.

M. D. Ace: The picture of when Ace first meets Shanks and tells Shanks he wanted to greet him Shanks was holding his sword and Ace right away went "No Thats not what I meant!" Meaning that Shanks was acting as if it was a battle and Ace had to clarify that he didn't want to fight Shanks.

Also for all of Luffy's non braging mentions then why did he brag to Ace about Shanks? After all Ace did say "My brother was always bragging about you, the one who saved your life."

I still think that the time line for the OP world is Luffy meets Shanks then he meets Ace.

[Mr.Popo]

Seems the spoiler about 50,000 marines getting owned and Aokiji freezing a tsunami was false... Man, I wish they'd stop doing that
Not reading spoilers might help as well ;)


i dont think sengoku was joking when he said that wb can destroy the world, with that df he can possible split the earth in 2.
I don't think that splitting the world in two would destroy the earth, it would be just one long volcano. But i don't think WB can actually do that nor that Sengoku meant that. I think he meant that quaking everything into peaces would destroy the livelihood of every being.


rayleigh was probably the third strongest man in his prime without abilities.
If it wasn't for Hachi Rayleigh would have died a long time ago from drowning. That does not mean he has a DF, but you cannot say has not.

And everyone who thought that there was a "plot hole" last chapter it is now clear that Luffy met Shanks before he met Ace. Shanks did not know about Ace, but Ace wanted to thank Shanks on Luffy's behalf.
So Oda did everything right with the strawhat and the scar.

But what i don't get: why was Ace so desperately trying to kill WB? He was friendly toward Shanks.

And did he abandon his crew?

[Gcat88]

He wanted to kill whitebeard because he felt that what whitebeard did to him and his crew was wrong and he wanted revenge. he didnt abandon his crew but they were basically taken hostage and have heard of them since. he was friendly towards shanks because luffy told him to be. i love that he had a crew of his own, and got offered a spot as a shiki. cant wait for the battle!!! if u really want to know wat happened to his crew o well, doubt theyll ever talk bout that again!!

[M.D.Ace]

we know that sengoku knows that gold roger is ace's dad... but then here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/06/ , sengoku says to garp "ide be makin you take responsibility for you entire damned 'family's' actions about now garp"..... so if he knows that luffy and ace are not related, the reason he says 'familys' instead of 'family' must mean he knows that about dragon being garps son and luffys dad....but it doesnt seem like he considers luffy much of a threat at the moment. i would have thought that him knowin luffy is a the son of a criminal like dragon would make him consider luffy to have that same potential he saw in ace to become dangerous in the future.

and also, http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/06/. here it looks to me that the marines acknowledge people with D's in their name. like here the marine says "its a pirate ship, ive never seen that mark before. D..!!..where is he from"....again, it makes me wonder, shouldnt the government see luffy as more of a threat than they already see him as.

[sh4dx]

anyone else think that ace hasn't haki ? from what we saw between him vs bb his last best attack was based on his fruit plus if he had haki i think he could nutillify bb ability

[Gcat88]

P.S. i wouldnt doubt that Ace beat the entire Doma crew and that is now why they are allies. in case ppl didnt notice a lot of times if u beat someone but u believe they are respectable you befriend them and move on, prob. wat happened to doma and Ace.

[Mr.Popo]

He wanted to kill whitebeard because he felt that what whitebeard did to him and his crew was wrong and he wanted revenge.
What did WB to his crew???
I mean Ace startet it (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/07/), he wanted to meet WB to fight against him and probably kill in the first place (i'm assuming that because he fought against Jinbei).

[Gcat88]

Ace wanted to be the best, so he had to defeat the best, but i believe that once he saw whitebeard hurt his crew he wanted revenge so he attacked him over and over and over till he finally changed his mind

[rockin_robin]

I'm sorry I'm not quoting but I totally agree with what someone said a few posts before....The Marines should feel that Luffy is a greater threat than what they do now...I mean Ace was pretty strong but he didn't go all the way to declare war against WG!And he was offered a Shichibukai place even before he met WB....I don't know but to me Luffy looks to be a bigger threat than Ace was when he was Captain of his own crew!

I don't know about haki...maybe he does have it,maybe not...but what happens when two people who posses haki fight?I mean it's possible that BB has it that's why his fight with Ace was so spectacular...Like between Shanks and WB.

[Franckie]

Is it me, or does anyone else find WB sending a giant tsunami at MHQ conflicting to WB's goal of saving Ace?


the wind fruit is definately dragons df, its obvious from when he appeared in loguetown and the little flashback with iva and him, so akainu is going to be another awesome paramecia i think, because the possibilitys for paramecia fruits are endless and the extent of the powers could be anything.

It's more probable that Akainu possesses a logia DF since it'd be consistant with both Aokiji and Kizaru.

[Mr.Popo]

Ace wanted to be the best, so he had to defeat the best,
Longing for the throne of the best might be a reason, but why didn't he tell that his crew? They didn't know Ace's motivs either.


but i believe that once he saw whitebeard hurt his crew he wanted revenge so he attacked him over and over and over till he finally changed his mind
to give up and leaving after realising that he cannot defeat/kill WB would be understandable, but he instead joined his crew!
This is the other mystery.

* why did Ace "hate" WB in the first place?
* why did Ace "forgive" WB in the end?

[SenninSage]

Is it me, or does anyone else find WB sending a giant tsunami at MHQ conflicting to WB's goal of saving Ace?



It's more probable that Akainu possesses a logia DF since it'd be consistant with both Aokiji and Kizaru.

I thought about that one myself lol, but perhaps he knows it's going to take a lot more than that to take out ace or WhiteBeard is expecting the Fishman members of his crew to get busy once the Tsunami drops :)

[chess4]

i think the spade pirates were absorbed into the whitebeard pirates. i think that the next chapter will start off with luffy telling everyone about ace and gol rogers

[NANLIT]

we know that sengoku knows that gold roger is ace's dad... but then here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/06/ , sengoku says to garp "ide be makin you take responsibility for you entire damned 'family's' actions about now garp"..... so if he knows that luffy and ace are not related, the reason he says 'familys' instead of 'family' must mean he knows that about dragon being garps son and luffys dad....but it doesnt seem like he considers luffy much of a threat at the moment. i would have thought that him knowin luffy is a the son of a criminal like dragon would make him consider luffy to have that same potential he saw in ace to become dangerous in the future.

and also, http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/552/06/. here it looks to me that the marines acknowledge people with D's in their name. like here the marine says "its a pirate ship, ive never seen that mark before. D..!!..where is he from"....again, it makes me wonder, shouldnt the government see luffy as more of a threat than they already see him as.
What makes you think Sengoku does not think Luffy is a threat? He knows he beat Crocodile and Moria, knows about the Enies Lobby and Tenryuubito incidents, and in that scene learned that Luffy was actually still alive and broke into Impel Down.

You're confused about the word 'family's', right? What sounds correct: your damned family actions or your damned family's actions?

[chess4]

so whitebeard knew the whole time that shanks was telling the truth, even though he through the empty sake bottle at him. shanks helped whitebead anyway by fighting kaidou. i guess he knew whitebeard would react the way he did to him.

SIDENOTE

i love how oad at the end gave us the 2 opposong forces in this arc..............the WG and the warlords on one side and whitebeard leading a crew of 47 ships, but we whitebeard there im sure everyone has forgotten about luffy and his "crew". them forgetting about luffy "i think" will be what will save ace in the end

[Junior]

Not reading spoilers might help as well ;)


I don't think that splitting the world in two would destroy the earth, it would be just one long volcano. But i don't think WB can actually do that nor that Sengoku meant that. I think he meant that quaking everything into peaces would destroy the livelihood of every being.


I think you're expanding the idea of "destruction" too much. Splitting the Earth in half isn't the only way to destroy it.

Destroying the livelihood of every being (animal, plant, etc) would essentially be destroying the Earth. Whitebard is surely capable of doing that..or, if not that, at least capable of doing it on a wide scale.

[DARK]

i think the spade pirates were absorbed into the whitebeard pirates. i think that the next chapter will start off with luffy telling everyone about ace and gol rogers

Yes, but weren't the Spade Pirates let go? Only Ace remained on the ship.

[sh4dx]

ace hasn't haki

[kkck]

How do you know? At the very least I would think he knows about it....

[chess4]

Yes, but weren't the Spade Pirates let go? Only Ace remained on the ship.

dont know for sure but when ace ask luffy to join whitebeard, he said his crew could join too, so i would like to think that the spade pirates joined too

[pirateninjahunter]

I would like to say that I'm really impressed with WhiteBeard.

We saw that ace=jinbei in a fight. And that WhiteBeard was still A LOT stronger than ace. So WhiteBeard is A LOT stronger than shichibukais? Or was jinbei one of the weakest?

Anyways, I think that WhiteBeard is A LOT stronger than the shichibukai and than the admirals. And there is nobody alone that could go against him except Garp and Sengoku.

I still dont know how strong is Magellan, and I dont know if that is important since we might never see him again. But I think I know the importance of Magellan. He is going to be a leveler for BB, BB needs to defeat Magellan to get out of ID. Once he defeats magellan we will know that BB > Magellan > Jinbei = crocodile.

Well I just want to trace the power hierarchy of One Piece...

thanks

[sh4dx]

How do you know? At the very least I would think he knows about it....

because if he had he could nutillify bb's power but as we saw he's last & probably best attack was based on his DF

[kkck]

because if he had he could nutillify bb's power but as we saw he's last & probably best attack was based on his DF

Why would haki nullify DF powers though? If haki has any effect on logia's it will certainly not be to nullify their power, it will only be the ability to hurt them. The ability to nullify DF powers is held only by BB. There would not be a point to BB's power if anyone with haki could do such a thing lol.

[rockin_robin]

because if he had he could nutillify bb's power but as we saw he's last & probably best attack was based on his DF

How do you know that BB doesn't have haki too?That would mean that they were on the same level....And Luffy has haki but he can't nulify anyone's powers coz it's not developed....maybe the same goes for Ace too.

[sh4dx]

Why would haki nullify DF powers though? If haki has any effect on logia's it will certainly not be to nullify their power, it will only be the ability to hurt them. The ability to nullify DF powers is held only by BB. There would not be a point to BB's power if anyone with haki could do such a thing lol.

by nutilify i mean for e.g rayleigh v kizaru he was able to hit logia, so if ace had haki he could use it for bb's kurozo(spelling) to avoided get touched and as i said his last n probably best attack was based on his fruit and not on his physic power.
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How do you know that BB doesn't have haki too?That would mean that they were on the same level....And Luffy has haki but he can't nulify anyone's powers coz it's not developed....maybe the same goes for Ace too.

dude i didn't say bb hasn't haki. i'm sure he has.the thing i want to say it's all of you think of ace as a powerfull monster etc etc but his haki it's not developed ?if he has such power then it's hard to believe that he can't develop/control his haki..

[kkck]

by nutilify i mean for e.g rayleigh v kizaru he was able to hit logia, so if ace had haki he could use it for bb's kurozo(spelling) to avoided get touched and as i said his last n probably best attack was based on his fruit and not on his physic power.

I guess nullify is a bad word for it then.... I mean, raileght was able to hit kizaru but that does not mean kizaru wasn't a light man anymore. As we all saw, kizaru had full access to all of his powers as evidenced by the light sword he was using. I really doubt haki would stop BB from absorbing anyone, it will simple enhanced attacks(as seen with the kuja's arrows) allow the user to physically hit logia's.
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How do you know that BB doesn't have haki too?That would mean that they were on the same level....And Luffy has haki but he can't nulify anyone's powers coz it's not developed....maybe the same goes for Ace too.

I think BB also has haki and quite a bit of it. What he has shown us so far simply does not add up to what has been said about him hurting shanks. He also has spoken about it quite some times so I would think he is fairly knowledgeable about it.

[rockin_robin]

dude i didn't say bb hasn't haki. i'm sure he has.the thing i want to say it's all of you think of ace as a powerfull monster etc etc but his haki it's not developed ?if he has such power then it's hard to believe that he can't develop/control his haki..

This conversation is kinda pointless,coz we can't tell for sure what's everyone's power especially since we haven't seen them in a lots of fights!There can be a million reasons why Ace lost that fight to BB....The thing is,Ace is a powerful monster,we have more than a few scenes proving it.

Slightly off topic....you called me 'dude'...for some reason I find it hilarious lol!

[Poneglyph420]

dude i didn't say bb hasn't haki. i'm sure he has.the thing i want to say it's all of you think of ace as a powerfull monster etc etc but his haki it's not developed ?if he has such power then it's hard to believe that he can't develop/control his haki..

OK. I really came here to write about how amazing 552 was..
But first..
IN 552 we see Ace and Jimbei face off in a long fought and seemingly even battle. Even as Jimbei seems to knock Ace down he gets up. He had the mental conviction to withstand a battle with a Shichibukai. And let's remember this is when he was Capt. of the Spade Pirates. As a rookie he was a feared and sought after pirate. Not only that he is a "D" and Roger's son. SO it seems fair to consider Ace as a MAJOR player in the events from here on in. If he had no evolution or growth in the upcoming arcs we wouldn't respect his rise in power. He'd just be some nasty strong guy.

I also think it's essential he got pwned by BB when he did. It shows that no one is safe, and anything can happen.

Finding Whitebeard is a Gura Ningen (Quake Man) is amazing, but only takes the masses out of the fight. The elite of the elite will duke it out from here.. I have never seen Sengoku with such terror on his face as when he saw the dual tsunamis headed right for the mass of his troops. :D


I dont' think the Marines are fully aware of all that's headed their way, which will allow for gaps, and Somehere someone wrote that Don flamingo could of allied with BB to allow entrance from Impel Down to HQ...
Sounds like a good idea, but if so it could spell the end of the Shichibukai for good....

Sorry to interrupt the Davy Back Fight. :tem

[sh4dx]

I guess nullify is a bad word for it then.... I mean, raileght was able to hit kizaru but that does not mean kizaru wasn't a light man anymore. As we all saw, kizaru had full access to all of his powers as evidenced by the light sword he was using. I really doubt haki would stop BB from absorbing anyone, it will simple enhanced attacks(as seen with the kuja's arrows) allow the user to physically hit logia's.

there are different forms of haki.i don't believe that IF ace has(i don't believe he has anymore) is like that of kuja's..it'll be TOO lame for SUCH "powerfull" character.about bb's kurozo you think this will work on wb and other REALLY powerfull chars? come on accept it ace hasn't haki it's obvious..i'll say it once again.remember the LAST n PROBABLY best attack of ace.it was based on his DF and not in his psychical power.

[rockin_robin]

I really can't understand or figure out BB's plan...it's obvious that he wants power and he doesn't care what he has to do to get it,but I still don't understand him much.The theory about Don Flamingo and the gates is a plausible one,although I think that in the end we will be more surprised than we expect...Oda tends to offer his fans this kind of surprises!

I still support my own theory of the SH making an unexpected entrance!

sh4dx I think you underestimate Ace too much....

[sh4dx]

OK. I really came here to write about how amazing 552 was..
But first..
IN 552 we see Ace and Jimbei face off in a long fought and seemingly even battle. Even as Jimbei seems to knock Ace down he gets up. He had the mental conviction to withstand a battle with a Shichibukai. And let's remember this is when he was Capt. of the Spade Pirates. As a rookie he was a feared and sought after pirate. Not only that he is a "D" and Roger's son. SO it seems fair to consider Ace as a MAJOR player in the events from here on in. If he had no evolution or growth in the upcoming arcs we wouldn't respect his rise in power. He'd just be some nasty strong guy.

I also think it's essential he got pwned by BB when he did. It shows that no one is safe, and anything can happen

so what?luffy who is a rookie defeated 2 shich( my opinion is that he didn't actually defeated them but it was tie coz both croc n luffy felt unconcious and same goes with moria).i don't say anything for the upcoming arcs i said that until NOW ace as a 2nd division of the WORLD MOST STRONGEST MAN doesn't look SO strong.and about his haki remember him fighting with smoker(i know it was too early and we didn't know anything about haki but come on he is MONSTER as you call him and he wasn't able to do a thing with a logia marine captain ?)beside that he fought to tie with jinbei as captain of spades, but after ranked as 2nd divison captain he wasn't able to develop his haki ? this is just ridiculous for me..

[DARK]

so what?luffy who is a rookie defeated 2 shich( my opinion is that he didn't actually defeated them but it was tie coz both croc n luffy felt unconcious and same goes with moria).i don't say anything for the upcoming arcs i said that until NOW ace as a 2nd division of the WORLD MOST STRONGEST MAN doesn't look SO strong.and about his haki remember him fighting with smoker(i know it was too early and we didn't know anything about haki but come on he is MONSTER as you call him and he wasn't able to do a thing with a logia marine captain ?)beside that he fought to tie with jinbei as captain of spades, but after ranked as 2nd divison captain he wasn't able to develop his haki ? this is just ridiculous for me..

I know- power is inconsistent throughout the series.

[sh4dx]

[QUOTE=!sh4dx I think you underestimate Ace too much....[/QUOTE]

i don't underestimate ace i'm just saying my opinion.i expected more from a tie with a shich and fearing other pirates from 2nd division commander of wb pirates.

[cachaco99]

i wonder who's gonna fight the 3 admirals?

marco and jozu might fight them alongside whitebeard or maybe marco and jozu will fight the shichibukai

or maybe shanks will appear and help out and he and luffy can see eachother :D

RED hair shanks vs AKAinu lol both are red lol kinda stupid but i would LOVE to see shanks in the war but maybe he'll fight mihawk if he shows up

and then who fights garp? or sengoku? or the others? cant wait until the fighting happens

but the last page kinda scared me. it says whoever wins, whoever loses this era will come to an end. does that mean the pirate era is over and its the end of the series? i like to think its the end of the OLD era and the start of the new era in which the younger pirates (luffy, ace, kid, law and others) will rule.

i think we'll have a 1000 + chapter series with one piece. i know noone here wants to see one piece go bye bye any time soon

[DARK]

i don't underestimate ace i'm just saying my opinion.i expected more from a tie with a shich and fearing other pirates from 2nd division commander of wb pirates.

Ace tied with a Shichibukai, but the latter are especially powerful people.
The only people I can think of that can rival them are Gol Roger and his crew, the Yonkou, and the Admirals.

[sh4dx]

Ace tied with a Shichibukai, but the latter are especially powerful people.
The only people I can think of that can rival them are Gol Roger and his crew, the Yonkou, and the Admirals.

hmm ok..and what about ace vs smoker ? a 2nd division captain couldn't win a logia marine captain ?i don't say he is not strong but imo he's not a MONSTER(maybe he'll become at the future!).there are plenty of people who can easily beat him..

[DARK]

hmm ok..and what about ace vs smoker ? a 2nd division captain couldn't win a logia marine captain ?i don't say he is not strong but imo he's not a MONSTER.there are plenty of people who can easily beat him..

I know- power is inconsistent in the series. It's like saying how Luffy defeated a Shichubukai and yet lost to a member of CP9 100 episodes later.

[rockin_robin]

but the last page kinda scared me. it says whoever wins, whoever loses this era will come to an end. does that mean the pirate era is over and its the end of the series? i like to think its the end of the OLD era and the start of the new era in which the younger pirates (luffy, ace, kid, law and others) will rule.

Wow you're being a bit too dramatic!It says that the world will change,not that the pirate era is over...It won't be that easy for the WG to eliminate all pirates even if WB goes down!There are still 3 other Yonkou and not to mention that even the Shichibukai could turn against WG if they felt like it.

And one thing about power....it's not only physical...the influence and position you're in matter a lot too!Look at Shanks....he doesn't have a DF power but he's awfully strong and has a lot of influence over too many people!

[DARK]

Wow you're being a bit too dramatic!It says that the world will change,not that the pirate era is over...It won't be that easy for the WG to eliminate all pirates even if WB goes down!There are still 3 other Yonkou and not to mention that even the Shichibukai could turn against WG if they felt like it.

There's no doubt that a full-scale battle between the strongest people in the world (Shinchubukai, Admirals, Yonkou) is going to change the world. It was ominous how they did mention "Win or lose, this will be the end of the era." Can't wait for the anime's intake on this.

[Vizard5]

ace is a monster, it is pretty ignorant to say he is not. ofcourse there are people who can beat him, but they aren't exactly weaklings. (ignoring the smoker issue, cause it is over used, and will never be solved.) about ace haveing or not having haki.. we have no idea how haki is used in battle, all we have is assumptions of some ways it migth be used.. for all we know we might have witnessed ace using haki not knowing... and it isn't haki that makes you strong anyways.

[sh4dx]

I know- power is inconsistent in the series. It's like saying how Luffy defeated a Shichubukai and yet lost to a member of CP9 100 episodes later.

personal i don't take it as a defeated coz i told before they both fell unconcious just like with moria.but ok let's be realistic(in OP world ofc) luffy wins and after 100 episodes lost from lucci.BUT he actually defeat croc coz he found out his weak point.if he hadn't it's to difficult for me to believe he could win against him..and don't forget that cp9 were the best undercover
agents of WG(wich again doesn't make sense coz at new world their powers would be useless..)

[sertas-sertas]

Im not sure about this, but didnt kuma say something about 3 days and 3 nights you will be gone or something like that? (maybe it was just a wrong spoiler) But if he said it, isnt there a possibility all the strawhats will get warped back to the arpilego + the boat will just be finished, and that robot kuma will also be warped back at the same time. So all the strawhats can show their new power boost by destroying the robot kuma? Just thought it was worth a mention..

Great chapter, but i think almost all chapters lately have been awesome.

[DARK]

personal i don't take it as a defeated coz i told before they both fell unconcious just like with moria.but ok let's be realistic(in OP world ofc) luffy wins and after 100 episodes lost from lucci.BUT he actually defeat croc coz he found out his weak point.if he hadn't it's to difficult for me to believe he could win against him..and don't forget that cp9 were the best undercover
agents of WG(wich again doesn't make sense coz at new world their powers would be useless..)

Still, it felt a bit weird. Government dogs vs Government spies. Besides, Croc is only one of the weakest members of the Shinchubukai while Lucci was the strongest of the CP9.

[sh4dx]

ace is a monster, it is pretty ignorant to say he is not. ofcourse there are people who can beat him, but they aren't exactly weaklings. (ignoring the smoker issue, cause it is over used, and will never be solved.) about ace haveing or not having haki.. we have no idea how haki is used in battle, all we have is assumptions of some ways it migth be used.. for all we know we might have witnessed ace using haki not knowing... and it isn't haki that makes you strong anyways.

oh yes it's haki that make you strong.and from what we saw until now ace hasn't.and just think about this, wb's 2nd division commander(most of people believe that the commanders are on admiral level, i think that only marco can surely beat an admiral, all the other would have hard time.) strongest attack is a big ball of fire and compared to aokiji that probably lot of you believe that he don't stand a change coz ace is fire i say that aokiji could easily froze him (he froze an entire sea forfun)
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Still, it felt a bit weird. Government dogs vs Government spies. Besides, Croc is only one of the weakest members of the Shinchubukai while Lucci was the strongest of the CP9.

why people think croc as weakest of shich ?i personal believe he can beat ace sand > fire xD.lucci was the strongest yes but if they are going to fight and lucci can't find his weak point croc could easily kill him.

[Vizard5]

personal i don't take it as a defeated coz i told before they both fell unconcious just like with moria.but ok let's be realistic(in OP world ofc) luffy wins and after 100 episodes lost from lucci.BUT he actually defeat croc coz he found out his weak point.if he hadn't it's to difficult for me to believe he could win against him..and don't forget that cp9 were the best undercover
agents of WG(wich again doesn't make sense coz at new world their powers would be useless..)

unless you are overwhelmingly stonger than the opponent it is pretty hard to defeat him unless you find a weakness.(at least when it is impossible to hurt him without it..) luffy defeated crocodile, but the score is still 2-1 in favor to crocodile..

[DARK]

why people think croc as weakest of shich ?i personal believe he can beat ace sand > fire xD.lucci was the strongest yes but if they are going to fight and lucci can't find his weak point croc could easily kill him.

So basically you're stressing that "Oh, he's stronger than me. I can't win unless I find this guy's weakpoint?"
Personally, I do not think this really matters. The point is, Shinchubukai= powerful former pirates.

[Vizard5]

[QUOTE=sh4dx;1489553]oh yes it's haki that make you strong.and from what we saw until now ace hasn't.and just think about this, wb's 2nd division commander(most of people believe that the commanders are on admiral level, i think that only marco can surely beat an admiral, all the other would have hard time.) strongest attack is a big ball of fire and compared to aokiji that probably lot of you believe that he don't stand a change coz ace is fire i say that aokiji could easily froze him (he froze an entire sea forfun)
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if it is haki that makes you strong then how come luffy defeated the boa sisters how are good at controlling haki, without using haki, but just brute force?? give a weakling powerfull haki and he is still a weakling.

there are very few people who can stand up to an admiral.. i don't know if ace could defeat an admiral.. noone knows.. (mb oda :amuse) but SO WHAT?? luffy has tryed his luck vs 2 admirals and lost horribly both times, but he is still pretty strong. ace is a monster. but there are lots of scaryer monsters than ace..

[pirateninjahunter]

WB, Yonkou, Sengoku, Garp > Admirals, Magellan > Shichibukai, Ace, Smoker, BB > Luffy, Supernovae

That's what I think. But I think that BB could prove to be stronger, but for now that is where I place him in the hierarchy. I need other fight results from him to better place him in the hierarchy. And luffy and some of the supernovae are going to get stronger. I dont know if ace is going to get stronger because it seems to me that he did not improve, or at least, his growth was not show for the last years.

I want to re-read OP so that I might be able to predict things better!

[DARK]

if it is haki that makes you strong then how come luffy defeated the boa sisters how are good at controlling haki, without using haki, but just brute force?? give a weakling powerfull haki and he is still a weakling.

there are very few people who can stand up to an admiral.. i don't know if ace could defeat an admiral.. noone knows.. (mb oda :amuse) but SO WHAT?? luffy has tryed his luck vs 2 admirals and lost horribly both times, but he is still pretty strong. ace is a monster. but there are lots of scaryer monsters than ace..

Luffy was stated to have the strongest Haki type of all and while untapped, it was still to be extraordinarily powerful.

Yes, you pretty much summed up everybody's thoughts. Luffy (as well as 4 of the other Supernova captains) lost to Admirals. Ace is strong, no doubt, but nothing compared to the big forces in the sea- Yonkou, Shichibukai, Admirals, and New World Pirates.

[sh4dx]

So basically you're stressing that "Oh, he's stronger than me. I can't win unless I find this guy's weakpoint?"
Personally, I do not think this really matters. The point is, Shinchubukai= powerful former pirates.

yes that's what i mean.unless you think that e.g lucci can defeat croc without find his weak point

[gucci mane]

oh yes it's haki that make you strong.and from what we saw until now ace hasn't.and just think about this, wb's 2nd division commander(most of people believe that the commanders are on admiral level, i think that only marco can surely beat an admiral, all the other would have hard time.) strongest attack is a big ball of fire and compared to aokiji that probably lot of you believe that he don't stand a change coz ace is fire i say that aokiji could easily froze him (he froze an entire sea forfun)
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why people think croc as weakest of shich ?i personal believe he can beat ace sand > fire xD.lucci was the strongest yes but if they are going to fight and lucci can't find his weak point croc could easily kill him.

How do you disprove your point in the same post AY!? Oda seems to really care about elemental advantages and disadvantages AY!. If Luffy wasn't made out of rubber, Enel would have fried him AY!. An elemental advantage can go a long way AY!. Ace would beat Akoiji, not easily but he would beat him AY!. I also think that Ace is highly under estimated AY!. He was fighting Blackbeard who has the "once in a series" hax ability AY!. To be able to turn of a guys DF power by touching him is almost the equivalent of the Sharingan and Aizen's Shikai AY!. Most people would have a hard time with him AY!. Didnt Shanks get his scar from him AY!. Also, we have no idea how strong Smoker is AY!. Has he ever been defeated by anybody except Dragon AY!? My point is, that Ace is a beast AY!.

[DARK]

yes that's what i mean.unless you think that e.g lucci can defeat croc without find his weak point

Let's see- master of the Rokushiki style and carnivirous Zoan-type Devil Fruit user VS sand user and moisture absorber with a giant hooked weapon.
In the desert, one would think that Crocodile would win, but anywhere else, likely it would be a draw.

[sh4dx]

How do you disprove your point in the same post AY!? Oda seems to really care about elemental advantages and disadvantages AY!. If Luffy wasn't made out of rubber, Enel would have fried him AY!. An elemental advantage can go a long way AY!. Ace would beat Akoiji, not easily but he would beat him AY!. I also think that Ace is highly under estimated AY!. He was fighting Blackbeard who has the "once in a series" hax ability AY!. To be able to turn of a guys DF power by touching him is almost the equivalent of the Sharingan and Aizen's Shikai AY!. Most people would have a hard time with him AY!. Didnt Shanks get his scar from him AY!. Also, we have no idea how strong Smoker is AY!. Has he ever been defeated by anybody except Dragon AY!? My point is, that Ace is a beast AY!.

man i was just kidding about croc v ace pls..ace at this time i doubt he can win against aokiji.and at this time ace is NOT a beast.sure he is powerful but no a beast.maybe in the future..
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Let's see- master of the Rokushiki style and carnivirous Zoan-type Devil Fruit user VS sand user and moisture absorber with a giant hooked weapon.
In the desert, one would think that Crocodile would win, but anywhere else, likely it would be a draw.

come on.. how lucci can defeat croc without know his weakness?either in desert or anywhere else croc will beat lucci unless he has haki,but as we know at this time he hasn't

[DARK]

come on.. how lucci can defeat croc without know his weakness?either in desert or anywhere else croc will beat lucci unless he has haki,but as we know at this time he hasn't

So you're practically saying Rokushiki isn't going to do anything on Croc because he's Logia?

[Lord.Strife]

From what i remember ace hasn't mastered his devil fruit. I can remember that crocodile has reached a lvl where he is sand all the time so sneak attacks won't work unless you find his weakness. Ace on the other hand still can get hit by physical attacks if caught unawares. The only thing that has protected ace is wbs name otherwise he would have been stomped by heaps of guys in the new world. Croc did say that there are plenty of silver medalists.

[sh4dx]

So you're practically saying Rokushiki isn't going to do anything on Croc because he's Logia?

for 3rd time YES i'm saying that rokushiki at least from cp9 isn't going to do anything on croc without to know his weakness.

p.s don't ask the same question again pls.
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From what i remember ace hasn't mastered his devil fruit. I can remember that crocodile has reached a lvl where he is sand all the time so sneak attacks won't work unless you find his weakness. Ace on the other hand still can get hit by physical attacks if caught unawares. The only thing that has protected ace is wbs name otherwise he would have been stomped by heaps of guys in the new world. Croc did say that there are plenty of silver medalists.

he's my dude.exactly just like you said it.It's true ace is powerful BUT not enough to compare him with admirals/yonkou.a shichibk it's logic as we know he has an offer BUT he's not the monster you all believe at this time.

[Vizard5]

for 3rd time YES i'm saying that rokushiki at least from cp9 isn't going to do anything on croc without to know his weakness.

p.s don't ask the same question again pls.

i agree with you on this one. the enitre cp9 wouldnt be able to beat crocodile (or any other logia) w\o knowing his weakness. but i think it is kinda silly how you think using haki to defeat him is ok, but finding the elemental weakness is not.

[sh4dx]

i agree with you on this one. the enitre cp9 wouldnt be able to beat crocodile (or any other logia) w\o knowing his weakness. but i think it is kinda silly how you think using haki to defeat him is ok, but finding the elemental weakness is not.

ah i must have done a mistake.i mean that cp9 can defeat croc ONLY finding the elemental weakness OR with haki.

[Vizard5]

he's my dude.exactly just like you said it.It's true ace is powerful BUT not enough to compare him with admirals/yonkou.a shichibk it's logic as we know he has an offer BUT he's not the monster you all believe at this time.

i just realized that we have been agreeing the whole time.. i do not believe ace is an almighty god, who can take on any1 in the op universe. but he is pretty powerfull. it just seems like you put another meaning to the word "monster" than i do..

[gucci mane]

Well Ace obviously cant compete with a Yonkou but he is strong enough to take on a certain admiral AY!. I will stick to my case that Ace can beat Akoiji because he is his natural enemy AY!. Put ice in a fire it melts, put Akoiji in Ace, no more Akoiji AY!. If Luffy never found out that water was Croc's weakness, no more Luffy AY!. Elemental advantages and disadvantages are a crucial part of battle in one piece AY!.

[sh4dx]

Well Ace obviously cant compete with a Yonkou but he is strong enough to take on a certain admiral AY!. I will stick to my case that Ace can beat Akoiji because he is his natural enemy AY!. Put ice in a fire it melts, put Akoiji in Ace, no more Akoiji AY!. If Luffy never found out that water was Croc's weakness, no more Luffy AY!. Elemental advantages and disadvantages are a crucial part of battle in one piece AY!.

yes i know about the elemental advantages but i still believe at this time ace cant win against aokiji..i believe the only in the crew that can win against an admiral is marco.all the other will have hard time against them.

[DARK]

We all know that Ace < Yonkou, Shichubuki, Admirals, etc.
I must have stated for the upteenth time already.

[sh4dx]

i just realized that we have been agreeing the whole time.. i do not believe ace is an almighty god, who can take on any1 in the op universe. but he is pretty powerfull. it just seems like you put another meaning to the word "monster" than i do..

yes imo "monster" at the time are dragon , yonkou/admirals garp-sengoku(i want to believe xD) maybe the silver metalist some of the shich(mihawk, kuma, maybe donfla) rayliegh for sure and maybe other chars in the future.

[gucci mane]

We all know that Ace < Yonkou, Shichubuki, Admirals, etc.
I must have stated for the upteenth time already.

Ace can beat a Shichubuki AY!. And also read my previous post about the admiral and yonkou AY!.

[DARK]

yes imo "monster" at the time are dragon , yonkou/admirals garp-sengoku(i want to believe xD) maybe the silver metalist some of the shich(mihawk, kuma, maybe donfla) rayliegh for sure and maybe other chars in the future.

You pretty much stated the obvious. Ace is obviously not in their tier.

[sh4dx]

Ace can beat a Shichubuki AY!. And also read my previous post about the admiral and yonkou AY!.

hmm he fought only one of them and it was tie.

[DARK]

hmm he fought only one of them and it was tie.

Two if one counts Blackbeard (he wasn't a Shichubukai at the time) and in that battle, it was a loss for Ace.

[sh4dx]

You pretty much stated the obvious. Ace is obviously not in their tier.

yes i said it coz lot of people thinking of ace as a "monster" that he's not right know.
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Two if one counts Blackbeard (he wasn't a Shichubukai at the time) and in that battle, it was a loss for Ace.

sure i believe bb counts so we have 1 lose 1 tie.So i don't see 2nd division commander of the WORLD STRONGEST MAN as a monster yet.

[DARK]

yes i said it coz lot of people thinking of ace as a "monster" that he's not right know.

I don't see why Ace would be considered to be one of the "monsters" like Whitebeard or the rest of the Yonkou. I mean come on, Whitebeard can literally destroy the world. Even Sengoku claimed that with 5 of the Shichubukai and the Admirals, believe that the World Government would lose in the end. He had to be a "monster" if people were terrified of his power. I don't think people felt that scared of Ace.

[Vizard5]

yes imo "monster" at the time are dragon , yonkou/admirals garp-sengoku(i want to believe xD) maybe the silver metalist some of the shich(mihawk, kuma, maybe donfla) rayliegh for sure and maybe other chars in the future.

yes relative to the 3 world power ace is imo, top tier of yonkou's crew (obviously.) about mid tier(maybe a little over) in the shichibukai. and the top tier of the VA's..

[gucci mane]

hmm he fought only one of them and it was tie.

Are you talking about the Black Beard fight, because he lost that one AY!. But then again, Blackbeard is a special case, you do not want him touching you AY!. Also, I think he could beat any of them, but it would be one hell of a fight AY!. He was able to fight 5 days straight with Jimbei before he became mature with his power (Ofcourse if there was even a pond around, Ace would have got his ass handed to him in 5 minutes), and he was asked to join the Shich before he joined WB, where his career really took off AY!.

[sh4dx]

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I don't see why Ace would be considered to be one of the "monsters" like Whitebeard or the rest of the Yonkou. I mean come on, Whitebeard can literally destroy the world. Even Sengoku claimed that with 5 of the Shichubukai and the Admirals, believe that the World Government would lose in the end. He had to be a "monster" if people were terrified of his power. I don't think people felt that scared of Ace.

Ace tied with a Shichibukai, but the latter are especially powerful people.
The only people I can think of that can rival them are Gol Roger and his crew, the Yonkou, and the Admirals.
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man in previous post you placed ace even at roger's strenght..
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Are you talking about the Black Beard fight, because he lost that one AY!. But then again, Blackbeard is a special case, you do not want him touching you AY!. Also, I think he could beat any of them, but it would be one hell of a fight AY!. He was able to fight 5 days straight with Jimbei before he became mature with his power (Ofcourse if there was even a pond around, Ace would have got his ass handed to him in 5 minutes), and he was asked to join the Shich before he joined WB, where his career really took off AY!.

no i'm talking about ace v jinbie which end in tie(even as spades captain) and after 2nd division commander he lost against BB(even if he wasn't at that time.)and pls dont say he is a special case.. he's just a very strong at the moment char.

[chitgoks]

hmm he fought only one of them and it was tie.

but that was before he was in whitebeard's crew. by this time he should have improved way more than he was before

[sh4dx]

but that was before he was in whitebeard's crew. by this time he should have improved way more than he was before

yes he has improve so much that he lost against bb who wasn't a shichbk at that time and couldn't even beat a logia marine captain(smoker).

[Lord.Strife]

Look i said this before but WB offered ace his mark so that he could ravage the sea with nothing bad happening to him. Ace has been protected for years just by WB. WB obviously thought that he would get owned real soon and thats why he offered him a place. This came at about the same time that the marine started to think he was a annoyance and could be come very dangerous. And to top it off ace maybe the son of the king but he doesn't have the same personality and drive as roger.

Luffy on the other hand only has garp and dragon to protect him maybe ace. Marines are getting very pissed at him but don't want to do anything cause they will lose face to a rookie. and garp doesn't help much.

Prediction luffy will declare himself to the world at the execution.

TO sum it up ace has been protected by Wb so he can't get stomped. If he was so powerful have wb to protect him it would seem shameful if you so powerful that you need someone to protect you. Thats my opinion.

[DARK]

yes he has improve so much that he lost against bb who wasn't a shichbk at that time and couldn't even beat a logia marine captain(smoker).

Perhaps this is a result of the 12-13 year run One Piece currently has, not remembering every little detail there is to the series.

[gucci mane]

yes he has improve so much that he lost against bb who wasn't a shichbk at that time and couldn't even beat a logia marine captain(smoker).

BB is a special case, his DF is a hax AY!. Most people would loss to him AY!. We also have no idea how strong Smoker is AY!. Damn, Im piling up post, Jr. Member here I come AY!.

[sh4dx]

Perhaps this is a result of the 12-13 year run One Piece currently has, not remembering every little detail there is to the series.

i didn't understand your post :s
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BB is a special case, his DF is a hax AY!. Most people would loss to him AY!. We also have no idea how strong Smoker is AY!. Damn, Im piling up post, Jr. Member here I come AY!.

I don't care what most people would done against bb i'm talking about ace right know.I don't take bb as a special case he is just a very strong char at the moment.I don't care if you see his DF as hax or whatever you want it's just HIS DF.As for smoker yes we dont know BUT back at arabasta he was just a logia marine captain that WORLD STRONGER MAN 2nd division commander couldnt do a thing and just said "oh our powers are tied "

[DARK]

i didn't understand your post :s

I was mentioning that One Piece had a very long run and perhaps Oda did not remember the battle against Smoker. That was over 400-500 chapters (10-12 years) ago.

[sh4dx]

I was mentioning that One Piece had a very long run and perhaps Oda did not remember the battle against Smoker. That was over 400-500 chapters (10-12 years) ago.

hmm i dont think so.I believe Oda will give smoker even his own arc against SH at the new world.

[gucci mane]

i didn't understand your post :s
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I don't care what most people would done against bb i'm talking about ace right know.I don't take bb as a special case he is just a very strong char at the moment.I don't care if you see his DF as hax or whatever you want it's just HIS DF.As for smoker yes we dont know BUT back at arabasta he was just a logia marine captain that WORLD STRONGER MAN 2nd division commander couldnt do a thing and just said "oh our powers are tied "

You were comparing Ace's strength to BB so I compared BB strength to every other person in One Piece for a better perspective AY!. You were not talking just about Ace, otherwise you would have just said 'Ace is weak' AY!. And about the Smoker fight, more than likely, from what he showed in the BB fight, he was holding back tremendously AY!.

[toxun]

Luffy on the other hand only has garp and dragon to protect him maybe ace. Marines are getting very pissed at him but don't want to do anything cause they will lose face to a rookie. and garp doesn't help much.

Prediction luffy will declare himself to the world at the execution.

TO sum it up ace has been protected by Wb so he can't get stomped. If he was so powerful have wb to protect him it would seem shameful if you so powerful that you need someone to protect you. Thats my opinion.

So why World Government put bounty on Luffy head? If marines on his tail, they're will chase him. The only moment while marine didn't put a pirsuit on him while he reunite with His Gramp, Coby & Helmeppo on Water Seven. About opening Gate of Justice aside of Shirohige or Revolution Army act, it also possible it's an act of WG itself without Sengoku knowledge, who wanna unite all nuisances at once & then eradicate them in one attack (I do believe WG held a powerful ancient weapon). Marine casualities are compromised because it's WG style, as long as target eradicated.

[DARK]

hmm i dont think so.I believe Oda will give smoker even his own arc against SH at the new world.

Why give Smoker his own arc? He'd be lucky if he got his own title page mini-arc, but right now, the Straw Hats have that right.

[sh4dx]

You were comparing Ace's strength to BB so I compared BB strength to every other person in One Piece for a better perspective AY!. You were not talking just about Ace, otherwise you would have just said 'Ace is weak' AY!. And about the Smoker fight, more than likely, from what he showed in the BB fight, he was holding back tremendously AY!.

hmm if you didn't read my last posts at the last 2 pages yes you don't know that all this time i am talking ONLY about ace and that he is NOT a "monster" bust just a strong char at this time.
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Why give Smoker his own arc? He'd be lucky if he got his own title page mini-arc, but right now, the Straw Hats have that right.

if you remember oda forshadowing smoker when all the SH got bounty after enies lobbie.He was talking to tashigi and told her that he is definatly gonna crush straw hat in NEW WORLD.

[Dark God Zeus]

Blackbeard is the worst enemy for....any devil fruit user pretty much, unless they have learned other means of fighting. I forgot whom, but someone said those who rely too much on their devil fruit will not beat Blackbeard.

And Smoker/Ace's powers were smoke and fire, pretty much equals in logia power aspects. Reflects how they both rely too much on their devil fruits.

But Oda set Smoker up to come back in a later arc, I could see him playing Roger's Garp, to Luffy. He believes in justice, and kind of hates the world government.

[flam1a4]

yes he has improve so much that he lost against bb who wasn't a shichbk at that time and couldn't even beat a logia marine captain(smoker).

you cant really say that ace couldn't beat smoker cuz they weren't fighting seriously.

[sh4dx]

Blackbeard is the worst enemy for....any devil fruit user pretty much, unless they have learned other means of fighting. I forgot whom, but someone said those who rely too much on their devil fruit will not beat Blackbeard.

And Smoker/Ace's powers were smoke and fire, pretty much equals in logia power aspects. Reflects how they both rely too much on their devil fruits.

once more he proved my theory that ace isn't that monster char at the moment but just a strong one..and don't be so sure about bb and that he is the worst and the last enemy..we'll have at least 450-500 more chapters i doubt that oda will keep bb in the "game" for 10 more years..after all oda always surprises us, so we don't even now what the "nightmare" that moria told to luffy about NEW WORLD is
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you cant really say that ace couldn't beat smoker cuz they weren't fighting seriously.

ok forget about smoker.doesn't change the think that as spades captain tied with Jinbei and after becoming 2nd division commander for years at WB pirates he went and lost to bb who wasn't a shich at that time.so ace isn't a monster he's just strong char.

[gucci mane]

once more he proved my theory that ace isn't that monster char at the moment but just a strong one..and don't be so sure about bb and that he is the worst and the last enemy..we'll have at least 450-500 more chapters i doubt that oda will keep bb in the "game" for 10 more years..after all oda always surprises us, so we don't even now what the "nightmare" that moria told to luffy about NEW WORLD is
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ok forget about smoker.doesn't change the think that as spades captain tied with Jinbei and after becoming 2nd division commander for years at WB pirates he went and lost to bb who wasn't a shich at that time.so ace isn't a monster he's just strong char.

Ace is the reason BB became a Shich AY!. Also, BB has not gotten any stronger from what I have seen between not being a Shich and being a Schich AY!. I agree on the fact that he isnt a monster, but he can compete with any of the Shich and beat Akoiji AY!.

[Lord.Strife]

So why World Government put bounty on Luffy head? If marines on his tail, they're will chase him. The only moment while marine didn't put a pirsuit on him while he reunite with His Gramp, Coby & Helmeppo on Water Seven. About opening Gate of Justice aside of Shirohige or Revolution Army act, it also possible it's an act of WG itself without Sengoku knowledge, who wanna unite all nuisances at once & then eradicate them in one attack (I do believe WG held a powerful ancient weapon). Marine casualities are compromised because it's WG style, as long as target eradicated.

Do you really think that the world government would want to acknowledge just how dangerous a rookie is. They sent kuma so that nobody would know that luffy tied/beat moria. If they acknowledge a rookie by giving him a really huge bounty what do you think everyone in the world will think. My opinion everyone will want a piece of this shitty wg cause they will be seen as weak.

I hate super weapons it ruins mangas for me so I don't think that the wg has a super weapon but i do believe they have more strong fighters than what is in the marinesc ause if the marines failed they would be completely fked. Who the hell has dragon been fighting up till now. WG might be having trouble fighting on more than one front. I waana see if the garosei are real strong.

The WG is not concerned about luffy in the whitbeard war atm that is. Luffy was even told that he will be basically trying to walk with giants.
Sengoku is really pissed cause luffy seems to be fking up marine plans all the time which is because hes just crazy. If the marine wanted luffy dead badly he would be dead by now. Luffys just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Summary luffy does some crazy shit but seems to be protected by the fact thats hes a rookie and WG doesn't want to look weak because it could have disastrous consequences.

[ekw]

About that super weapon, im assuming you guys are referring to Poseidon. Some say blackbeard would get a hold of it or get a clue of it at the bottom of impel down, which would fit the name poseidon. BB is also foreshadowed as the last opponnent of the strawhats. And if he does get a hold of poseidon, the strawhats would need to recreate pluton.(no one knows if franky read the schematics!).

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000399/10.jpg

Like others said i don't think the super weapon Poseidon would appear in this battle.

[elitefox]

Do you really think that the world government would want to acknowledge just how dangerous a rookie is. They sent kuma so that nobody would know that luffy tied/beat moria. If they acknowledge a rookie by giving him a really huge bounty what do you think everyone in the world will think. My opinion everyone will want a piece of this shitty wg cause they will be seen as weak.

I hate super weapons it ruins mangas for me so I don't think that the wg has a super weapon but i do believe they have more strong fighters than what is in the marinesc ause if the marines failed they would be completely fked. Who the hell has dragon been fighting up till now. WG might be having trouble fighting on more than one front. I waana see if the garosei are real strong.

The WG is not concerned about luffy in the whitbeard war atm that is. Luffy was even told that he will be basically trying to walk with giants.
Sengoku is really pissed cause luffy seems to be fking up marine plans all the time which is because hes just crazy. If the marine wanted luffy dead badly he would be dead by now. Luffys just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Summary luffy does some crazy shit but seems to be protected by the fact thats hes a rookie and WG doesn't want to look weak because it could have disastrous consequences.

yup unlike wb that whole marine is assembled and fought.

I didn't see any of the admirals stop any of the tsunami, so some of the lines were fake afterall:o

[choke_a_beech]

that tsunami will probably get rid of the marine fodder and lead on to some one on one action between admirals, those giants, royal shitbukkake against whitebeard and his boys

[Mr. Crocodile]

I've been thinking about how ace got offered the Shichi position..i wondered who took his place..i'm thinking crocodile cuz i think he's the newest member

[maxhrk]

Do you really think that the world government would want to acknowledge just how dangerous a rookie is. They sent kuma so that nobody would know that luffy tied/beat moria. If they acknowledge a rookie by giving him a really huge bounty what do you think everyone in the world will think. My opinion everyone will want a piece of this shitty wg cause they will be seen as weak.

I hate super weapons it ruins mangas for me so I don't think that the wg has a super weapon but i do believe they have more strong fighters than what is in the marinesc ause if the marines failed they would be completely fked. Who the hell has dragon been fighting up till now. WG might be having trouble fighting on more than one front. I waana see if the garosei are real strong.

The WG is not concerned about luffy in the whitbeard war atm that is. Luffy was even told that he will be basically trying to walk with giants.
Sengoku is really pissed cause luffy seems to be fking up marine plans all the time which is because hes just crazy. If the marine wanted luffy dead badly he would be dead by now. Luffys just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Summary luffy does some crazy shit but seems to be protected by the fact thats hes a rookie and WG doesn't want to look weak because it could have disastrous consequences.

that bold is my empasis, i want to know where you get that quote from.. However I don't think Luffy care about whatever gaints is around the corner. If he want to save Ace, he will go through the fire no matter how much he was warned about it.

[Cloudbits]

I will acknowledge that MAYBE Luffy will not get any stronger in this arc, but we have no reason to believe that the wg will not give luffy a huge bounty. Most pirate get the world government attention just by pillaging from civilian or in some case just fight with whoever trying to arrest them but Luffy is clearly picking a fight with the wg: Enies Lobby, defeated 2 Shichibukai, punch those noble guy, and break into their impenetrable prison Impel Down. What the hell maybe in this arc he will get a lucky shot at Sengoku while trying to save Ace and apparently is the 3 person to land a hit on him beside Roger and WB. There are camera everywhere transmitting the battle ground to the entire world, you can't expect the government to no longer denies this little pest problem they been having. Oh yeah! Luffy's Haki is getting stronger as the story progress so I wouldn't be surprise if it explode at the battlefield and rival other Yonkou (beside WG of course since Luffy is not at that state yet) This arc is the best arc ever in my opinion, would Oda really keep Luffy the same after he witness godlike power from WB and the strongest power the WG have to offer. Well that is my prediction....