One Piece 555 Discussion/556 Predictions Thread

[AiddonValentine]

almost correct because as we have seen for SURE king's haki(and shanks + rayliegh haki even if we don't know if they have king's haki or another type of haki) IS the power to knock out people but we might be sure that
it not just that but something more."big"

Uh, knocking people out is probably just a normal Haki technique not unique to users of Haoushoku. Haoshoku is just described as a Haki that's more powerful than usual (as demonstrated clearly when Luffy knocked out people who are used to regular Haki).

[sh4dx]

Uh, knocking people out is probably just a normal Haki technique not unique to users of Haoushoku. Haoshoku is just described as a Haki that's more powerful than usual (as demonstrated clearly when Luffy knocked out people who are used to regular Haki).

yes that was what i mean i just didn't say it correct..!

[M-Joe]

There is OARS III ship In the left corner, also it's the biggest:blink
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/
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Why most of the discussion is about Haki?

[DARK]

Just saw the pics myself. Oars Jr. does not look much like his father or ancestor. His face is a lot more humane than Oars.
Seems that Hancock found a loophole in the contract. Surprised the other Shichibukai aren't attacking the Marines either.

[D.King]

lol i would love if the luffy where to come from behind and kick sengoku off the tower lol


lol That would be more than EPIC! :darn:darn




this new oars seems alot smarter than the old one lol

At least he wears somethings and will no die due to the cold weather like the old one

[DARK]

There is OARS III ship In the left corner, also it's the biggest:blink
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/
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Why most of the discussion is about Haki?

I haven't noticed it before. I guess we can all assume that Oars Jr. isn't simply a member of WB's crew.
Believe me, M-Joe. I have no clue. People have been talking about Haki ever since yesterday even though this chapter had little if nothing at all to do with it.

[Schabrak]

"That" being his ship was said since his first appearance and not really part of this chapter. Stop skinning and start reading and looking at the drawings before posting such aged data. :) The talk about haki is out of place too, it may was caused from the Anime eps 413/414. There are enough threads about haki available.

Since one side of the Marine HQ is down and we haven't seen much from Whitebeards commanders, I await some more insight to them in the coming chapters.

[DARK]

"That" being his ship was said since his first appearance and not really part of this chapter. Tha talk about haki is out of place too, it may was caused from the Anime eps 413/414. There are enough threads about haki avaible.

Since one side of the Marine HQ is down and we haven't seen much from Whitebeards commanders, I await some more insight to them in the coming chapters.

Whitebeard's commanders? We have seen them through the past 2 chapters. If you're referring to the captains and their crews that have alligned themselves with Whitebeard, you're right. We have not seen much of them aside from their names and that they are powerful and well-known New World Captains.

[Schabrak]

Whitebeard's commanders? We have seen them through the past 2 chapters. If you're referring to the captains and their crews that have alligned themselves with Whitebeard, you're right. We have not seen much of them aside from their names and that they are powerful and well-known New World Captains.
I meant the commanders over his 16 divisions, but it seems more likely that all of them are fooder, all but Jozu and Marco.

[SenninSage]

Finally, the war is taking a much more serious turn now.

WhiteBeard for the first time in this encounter is becoming even more emotionally attached to this encounter. Ace is already bad enough, but now to see something like this happen to Oars. All the Shichibukai have made their move in this chapter as well.

Man, Boa is awesome in this chapter. I love her fighting style. I would love to see both her and Jinbei join the strawhat crew, but that may not happen unfortunately. BoA will supposedly die without Luffy by her side though, so how exactly is oda going to deal with that matter?

[gesgift]

Whitebeard's commanders? We have seen them through the past 2 chapters. If you're referring to the captains and their crews that have alligned themselves with Whitebeard, you're right. We have not seen much of them aside from their names and that they are powerful and well-known New World Captains.

If Oda continues chronologically, it's logical to start with some SB's, Admirals and some Giants. Next will probably be some other NW pirates (we already saw the one with the pocket fruit) and the VA's 'cause we still don't know their powers...

God I hope Oars will survive. Next chapter WB will bring out his bataljon of Nurses! Cure little Oars Jr. ladies!

[sage mode]

I meant the commanders over his 16 divisions, but it seems more likely that all of them are fooder, all but Jozu and Marco.



only the first 3 divisons are unique because of the df powers.Thats what i think.4th division commander lost his df to blackbeard.(I think wb plan is that every commander schould have a df)So the other divisions are normal divisions

[DARK]

I meant the commanders over his 16 divisions, but it seems more likely that all of them are fooder, all but Jozu and Marco.

Well if the division commanders really are assigned by strength level, then all of the commanders after the 4th are worthless fodder to be killed by a Shichibukai or Admiral's attack.

[sh4dx]

only the first 3 divisons are unique because of the df powers.Thats what i think.4th division commander lost his df to blackbeard.(I think wb plan is that every commander schould have a df)So the other divisions are normal divisions

totally wrong..Oda never said something about the d.comanders + df or anything about "wb plan" please..and what's this "so the other divisions are normal divisions" ?each division has one commander but we have seen only the strongest..i also want at least 3-4 more d.commanders to be shown because atm i believe that marines+SB have the upper hand.Even if luffy n co arrive i don't see that they can make much difference even if boa changes sides(i don't believe this though).so it's up to bb ..

[sage mode]

totally wrong..Oda never said something about the d.comanders + df or anything about "wb plan" please..

i said that this is my thought


and what's this "so the other divisions are normal divisions" ?each division has one commander but we have seen only the strongest..

i mean that only the first 3 divisions have special df abilitys and the other not.So the other division are normal/regular divison

[gesgift]

Boa is like easily 'killing' all these uys, so why don't they make te women fight her? They might actually stand a chance?

And I'm wondering why WB brought so many minions to fight, who don't stand a chance against anyone who's already at a certain level. Because it is war? Or to warn the enemy out? But still, they're wasting an awefull lot of lives to save just one.

Well, if real human are seldom logical, why should Oda's character be it?

[sh4dx]

what do to mean by "special df abilities", that they have the strongest df among the other d.commanders or that the other d.commanders don't have df ?anyway i don't think any of those..it's just that those 2(jozu,marco) we just saw and ace-thatch(killed anyway!) are the strongest and has nothing to do with special df abilities or a plan..although i hope to learn at least 3 more d.commanders(names n powers).
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Boa is like easily 'killing' all these uys, so why don't they make te women fight her? They might actually stand a chance?

And I'm wondering why WB brought so many minions to fight, who don't stand a chance against anyone who's already at a certain level. Because it is war? Or to warn the enemy out? But still, they're wasting an awefull lot of lives to save just one.

Well, if real human are seldom logical, why should Oda's character be it?

about the woman fight even if at AL-arc we saw that the women of the island "fell" in love with boa easily i don't believe that right now at this war a woman will "fell" in love so i believe that it's a good chance woman vs woman.

I believe that WB didn't brought HIMSELF the minios BUT the minions wanted to come with him to save ace..

[gesgift]

what do to mean by "special df abilities", that they have the strongest df among the other d.commanders or that the other d.commanders don't have df ?anyway i don't think any of those..it's just that those 2(jozu,marco) we just saw and ace-thatch(killed anyway!) are the strongest and has nothing to do with special df abilities or a plan..although i hope to learn at least 3 more d.commanders(names n powers).
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about the woman fight even if at AL-arc we saw that the women of the island "fell" in love with boa easily i don't believe that right now at this war a woman will "fell" in love so i believe that it's a good chance woman vs woman.

I believe that WB didn't brought HIMSELF the minios BUT the minions wanted to come with him to save ace..

Would make sense. And if Ace didn't follow his order NOT to chase BB, then why should they follow the order not to come (if they ever were given that order)...

[cheaptrick]

I just hope by the end of this war we get to see the full extent of Hanock's power which would be her Haki i assume. Cause if Haoushoku Haki is so rare and feared by i wonder what can such a skill possible do? Plus if Oda does show the power of such Haki we can see what will be in store for what luffy can do. (being that they have the same Haki) Then if that's the case then Oda will not show her full powers for that be making Luffy future growth predictable.

So in conclusion with the reasoning i have shown Hancock will not show her Haki only what we have seen already which is kinda gay but she might play i different part in this war.


hey, you do have a point! hancock couldn't care less about this war afterall and she's probably only going to use her df ability to keep back the fodder wb pirates trying to rush at her... she doesn't have any reason or motivation to take the initiative against any top tier; so i also think she'll just fool around and maybe she'll use the only king haki technique known by the readers (the haki burst used by shanks, luffy and rayleigh) to make space for luffy when he'll reach the war front.

btw what are akainu, aokiji and mihawk doing atm?

[Akainu]

Please stop spamming this thread with useless off topic comments, especially one liners and so on. If you want to chat come to irc or search for the fitting topic in the tree of knowledge <.<

[Mr. Crocodile]

btw what are akainu, aokiji and mihawk doing atm?

Oda can't show every single character in just one chapter, it would be too much. Just give the man some time and he'll deliver.

[Ishido]

yes this chapter it's only for the Shichibukai to show off.

[luffy_boy]

totally wrong..Oda never said something about the d.comanders + df or anything about "wb plan" please..and what's this "so the other divisions are normal divisions" ?each division has one commander but we have seen only the strongest..i also want at least 3-4 more d.commanders to be shown because atm i believe that marines+SB have the upper hand.Even if luffy n co arrive i don't see that they can make much difference even if boa changes sides(i don't believe this though).so it's up to bb ..

there is still the possible side-changing kuma, maybe garp action. etc..

And i hope not all of WB-commanders are these kind of powerhouses, because it would make his crew to strong. I think the top 5 are special, but as commander nr.4 is dead there maybe one 1 powerhouse.

Also it could be that only 1,2,3 are powerhouses because they where the only ones who had a introduction before this arc.
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i miss luffy... and the rest of the crew even more....

I atleast want to see luffy, and i wonder what mister fleet admiral would say if he sees his nr. 1 irriation.

[kilm]

i miss luffy... and the rest of the crew even more....

I agree, it's been 40+ chapters (since 512) when all of them were together.

It's interesting how Oars Sr gets around 10 chapters worth of action, and Jr gets 1, lol. He'll probably just be rezzed by Moria and set up for a Oars ver. 2.0 fight =.= How boring would that be?

[kaizoku king]

the fighting is nice and all but i can only take like 3-5 chapters of all the fighting and i want luffy back

[Rhary]

guys forget that luffy is not at 100% percent like WB so he is probally going to collapse and that is what i want to see and know how he recovers from it

[DARK]

I agree, it's been 40+ chapters (since 512) when all of them were together.

It's interesting how Oars Sr gets around 10 chapters worth of action, and Jr gets 1, lol. He'll probably just be rezzed by Moria and set up for a Oars ver. 2.0 fight =.= How boring would that be?

I'll find it weird if Moria actually uses Oars Jr., especially given that he just lost a leg and is beaten down in battle. He should have learned from last time.

[ScorpionGR]

what the hell is going on .. All the sichibukais are fighting against oars jr.. That means oars jr. is very strong ..... and because of that they fighting all together to put him down ... At least i want oars jr.. to make some damage to one of the sichibukais and like to be dofla to take the damage ... i don't think he is dead so maybe whitebeard is gonna to protect him from death .. The one who i want to die in this war is Gecko Moria but in the end oda never gonna show us death

[DARK]

what the hell is going on .. All the sichibukais are fighting against oars jr.. That means oars jr. is very strong ..... and because of that they fighting all together to put him down ... At least i want oars jr.. to make some damage to one of the sichibukais and like to be dofla to take the damage ... i don't think he is dead so maybe whitebeard is gonna to protect him from death .. The one who i want to die in this war is Gecko Moria but in the end oda never gonna show us death

It could very well be the fact that Oars Jr. may or may not be the direct descendant of Oars, a bloody vicious monster of the most violent giant tribe in One Piece. Or perhaps Moria and Doflamingo just want Oars Jr. as a weapon?

[Shadoguardian]

After this battle, Luffy is so going to collapse and suffer from the side effects of the vigour hormones, if not within the battle.

[ScorpionGR]

hehe in the end we gonna see a fight dofla vs moria for oars .jr corpse .... but i don't think dofla has interest to oars .jr ... he show us no mercy to oars... by killing him to the death

[sarutobi_sensei]

Yeah he would kill him back to life right? -.-

Anyway, tomorrow the chapter should be up so I'm gonna get in bed x)

[Kshunsui]

is Oz Junior not Oars Jr, i just wanna know the ability of doflamingo and his interest in Oz jr

[DARK]

is Oz Junior not Oars Jr, i just wanna know the ability of doflamingo and his interest in Oz jr

Actually the correct romanization is "Oars Jr."

Judging by the spoiler, one would assume Doflamingo would be a String String man (somebody mentioned that he had "invisible strings" in the translation). I have no idea why Doflamingo would want Oars Jr. other than some theory that he would want to control a giant in battle.

[Shadoguardian]

Actually the correct romanization is "Oars Jr."

Judging by the spoiler, one would assume Doflamingo would be a String String man (somebody mentioned that he had "invisible strings" in the translation). I have no idea why Doflamingo would want Oars Jr. other than some theory that he would want to control a giant in battle.

If Donflamingo is a string man, then this is kind of odd thing for Oda to do since this is the second string user in the story, the first being Priest Shura in the Skypiea arc. Oda doesn't usually give characters (especially important are high ranking characters) the same weapon (except for the usual like guns and swords) and is usually very varied. I always thought Donflamingo's ability might have been blood.

[maaghms]

Many people have been talking about 'King's haki', but the fact is that human population nowadays is 6.78 billion. I'm sure about the population of the whole One Piece World, but even if you assume that there are 1 billion people, there would be approximately 1000 people with 'King's haki' because the manga says that 'only one in a million people possesses it'.

[DARK]

If Donflamingo is a string man, then this is kind of odd thing for Oda to do since this is the second string user in the story, the first being Priest Shura in the Skypiea arc. Oda doesn't usually give characters (especially important are high ranking characters) the same weapon (except for the usual like guns and swords) and is usually very varied. I always thought Donflamingo's ability might have been blood.

I doubt Shura's powers were the result of a Devil Fruit. But judging on how the spoiler said it, they claim Doflamingo was using "invisible string." He either created it by DF power or the same way that Shura did in Skypeia only on a masterful level.
Of course Oda can be "unpredictable" sometimes; he can give certain characters DFs nobody would expect them to have. On the other end, he might give a character a DF that everybody predicts. Namely how Akainu ended up having some DF related to fire/volcano.

[Katz]

Many people have been talking about 'King's haki', but the fact is that human population nowadays is 6.78 billion. I'm sure about the population of the whole One Piece World, but even if you assume that there are 1 billion people, there would be approximately 1000 people with 'King's haki' because the manga says that 'only one in a million people possesses it'.

Well even if the population of the OP world is 1 billion, we're not gonna see 1000 characters with "king Haki"...IMO that'd make it super-overused, I'm happy with luffy and Boa being the only users so far, cause honestly I think along with his gears, haki will become Luffy's trump card against logia's

[lacrooz]

well I must say even though that there are many epic battles and very surprising user of DF this manga without luffy or somebody of his crew becomes something boring.

[Shadoguardian]

I doubt Shura's powers were the result of a Devil Fruit. But judging on how the spoiler said it, they claim Doflamingo was using "invisible string." He either created it by DF power or the same way that Shura did in Skypeia only on a masterful level.
Of course Oda can be "unpredictable" sometimes; he can give certain characters DFs nobody would expect them to have. On the other end, he might give a character a DF that everybody predicts. Namely how Akainu ended up having some DF related to fire/volcano.

I never said that Shura had a DF power. I know they were cloud string. I'm just saying it's unusual for Oda to use similar skills or weapons twice (outside of the usual swords or guns) outside a group, crew or organisation.

[deprince69]

If Donflamingo is a string man, then this is kind of odd thing for Oda to do since this is the second string user in the story, the first being Priest Shura in the Skypiea arc. Oda doesn't usually give characters (especially important are high ranking characters) the same weapon (except for the usual like guns and swords) and is usually very varied. I always thought Donflamingo's ability might have been blood.

the only ones in skypiea that had a devil fruit power was Enel n luffy n no one else
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n damn we still haven't seen luffy yet this is getting boring

[obamamania]

This is great, if Doflamingo's power isn't simple control of someone else's body then it's fightable and not as broken as Magellan's power. If it is string, which would make him the puppet master of sorts (Very fitting due to his mysterious nature that seems to have to do with what is happening now). I really want another explanation though because this is really interesting.

[Dark God Zeus]

Regarding doflamingo though. A popular theory is him having a string devil fruit. Originally I thought this, but looking back the hand pose flamingo has doesn't with with a puppeteer. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/03

He doesn't move his hands or anything, he just extends out his middle finger/thumb/pinky and holds it like that, not making any movements. So unless he controls them mentally instead of by hand movements, I think that shows he doesn't have a string/wire/puppet devil fruit.

Plus with strings the soldier at the meeting would have felt them, wouldn't he? Instead they just said something was controlling their bodies.

So, we've seen Doflamingo be able to control at least one person at a time, and somehow be able to cut off limbs of people well above the size of a giant. With this, I think doflamingo has a power that enables him to control a parts of his targets bodies (IE, kind of like 7th espada from Bleach, although a bit different). Directly controlling their muscles, controlling their bones, their brain (which would allow him all of that), I can't see blood working but it's possible.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/76274f46739938/

He has the middle finger, pinky, and thumb gesture in this pic too which he had when he was controlling the marine (in this case, after he just somehow cut off Oar's foot), which augments my theory, as in he was controlling them and made their body do it.

[bittman]

I want to save my theories for my review, but I've just got to agree with Dark God Zeus here. Just because Doflamingo sliced the leg off Oars and jumped two hundred metres into the air doesn't mean he has the string fruit. (though it's actually still my favoured theory...but I like hypotheticals...)

Some guessed blood fruit way back, if he can really control blood he may be able to use it to slice out.

Some guessed muscles and what not, also somehow possible in that he seperated them at a point somehow.

Final theory is that he has a random fruit for puppetry and sliced the foot with something else. People can use two different techniques, Oda has been known to tease us this way before (Kuma's lasers vs reflection)

[Fox666]

Well even if the population of the OP world is 1 billion, we're not gonna see 1000 characters with "king Haki"...IMO that'd make it super-overused, I'm happy with luffy and Boa being the only users so far, cause honestly I think along with his gears, haki will become Luffy's trump card against logia'sI think that "one in a million" is more an expression than an fact.


Regarding doflamingo though. A popular theory is him having a string devil fruit. Originally I thought this, but looking back the hand pose flamingo has doesn't with with a puppeteer. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/03

He doesn't move his hands or anything, he just extends out his middle finger/thumb/pinky and holds it like that, not making any movements. So unless he controls them mentally instead of by hand movements, I think that shows he doesn't have a string/wire/puppet devil fruit.

Plus with strings the soldier at the meeting would have felt them, wouldn't he? Instead they just said something was controlling their bodies.

So, we've seen Doflamingo be able to control at least one person at a time, and somehow be able to cut off limbs of people well above the size of a giant. With this, I think doflamingo has a power that enables him to control a parts of his targets bodies (IE, kind of like 7th espada from Bleach, although a bit different). Directly controlling their muscles, controlling their bones, their brain (which would allow him all of that), I can't see blood working but it's possible.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/76274f46739938/

He has the middle finger, pinky, and thumb gesture in this pic too which he had when he was controlling the marine (in this case, after he just somehow cut off Oar's foot), which augments my theory, as in he was controlling them and made their body do it.While he was controlling Sarkis, people were saying "why don't Bellamy move?" so I think he can control more than one people at time...

Other than that, I would say he can control as many people as he has enough fingers to move them.

He can be using strings just like Kakuro and Sasori from Naruto, I have seem some power like that on other anime too.
http://www.onemanga.com/Saint_Seiya_-_The_Lost_Canvas/20/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Saint_Seiya_-_The_Lost_Canvas/21/10/

But it can just be a mental like power. If so, he would just, let's say, moved Oars foot to one direction, and his leg on another... that would be overpower, ok, but his opened arms indicate it, doesn't?

[Are-Sama]

Here some pics translated to spanish from Idol"s spoiler by me;
cleaned and edited by me too

http://i32.tinypic.com/2ia4xaw.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/optvys.jpg

[tharkun]

Its great to see the Shichibukai in action although its sad to see Oars Jr. get waste so fast. I wonder how would Luffy's group make a contribution to this battle. Its good to know that Luffy is on Hancock's exception list of men (the only one). The Shichibukai is really an unpredictable bunch. If the war did turn against the World Government at some later stage, then it can make it more convenient for some Shichibukai to betray WG. Hopefully, a Pacifista reinforcement of some sort will feature.

[Yans86]

Did u notice in chap 234 that the VA controlled by DoFlamingo is one of those standing against WB's commander?! :-P
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/02/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/10-11/ the second from the left...

[cheaptrick]

Many people have been talking about 'King's haki', but the fact is that human population nowadays is 6.78 billion. I'm sure about the population of the whole One Piece World, but even if you assume that there are 1 billion people, there would be approximately 1000 people with 'King's haki' because the manga says that 'only one in a million people possesses it'.

I think that line meant "only one among a milion haki users has the king haki" and i really doubt there are more than 1 million people who can use haki out there in the NW... and 4 king haki users are already too many imho, so i'd like oda to not give Ace that type of haki, or any type at all (even if he's roger's son, he's already a freaking logia damnit). i'm saying this because there was a fake spoiler saying that a breach appeared somewhere after ace's anger burst

[Katz]

Question, who are the 4 "king haki" users, I know there's Luffy and Boa..who am I missing?....can't believe I forgot them already >>

[sage mode]

shanks and raleigh.its not confirmed but its the same thing luffy did.And 4 people are very rare

[Ero-Sanji]

Regarding doflamingo though. A popular theory is him having a string devil fruit. Originally I thought this, but looking back the hand pose flamingo has doesn't with with a puppeteer. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/03

He doesn't move his hands or anything, he just extends out his middle finger/thumb/pinky and holds it like that, not making any movements. So unless he controls them mentally instead of by hand movements, I think that shows he doesn't have a string/wire/puppet devil fruit.

Plus with strings the soldier at the meeting would have felt them, wouldn't he? Instead they just said something was controlling their bodies.

So, we've seen Doflamingo be able to control at least one person at a time, and somehow be able to cut off limbs of people well above the size of a giant. With this, I think doflamingo has a power that enables him to control a parts of his targets bodies (IE, kind of like 7th espada from Bleach, although a bit different). Directly controlling their muscles, controlling their bones, their brain (which would allow him all of that), I can't see blood working but it's possible.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/76274f46739938/

He has the middle finger, pinky, and thumb gesture in this pic too which he had when he was controlling the marine (in this case, after he just somehow cut off Oar's foot), which augments my theory, as in he was controlling them and made their body do it.

As someone mentioned before check Kankuro from Naruto out and you'll notice the same thing, oh and he's a puppeteer.

It's really hard to do some hand(finger) movements on one little picture.
And by the way if he possessed such an ability as "body part" control he wouldn't have to move as oars III attacked since he simply could have taken control of his brain, no?

And imo it makes sense why he didn't try to take control over oars III, if he's a string man. Cause as we have seen all targeted have made some minor struggling against these wires (the wires seems to be tougher than steel). Now imagine that struggle from a giant, correction a super giant I think Oars III would succeed in breaking free.

Edit: Wtf are the admirals doing? They are the ones supposed to guard Ace and yet the shichibukai are the ones to finally finish oars III of... lame!

[sh4dx]

shanks and raleigh.its not confirmed but its the same thing luffy did.And 4 people are very rare

that has nothing to do with king's haki.it was never confirmed that ray n shanks have king's haki.just because people felt unconcious doesn't mean thay have the same haki.

[sage mode]

but thats the kings disposition the other types are diffrent.Ok maybe its another trick but it looks similar


For Haki discussion in particular, please continue here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35040). More posts focusing on it will be deleted as off-topic talk. Let's keep this thread for the discusion on the current spoilers only, yeah?

[ScratchmenApoo]

I think that Luffy will get to the island, see the war and Ace and start attacking someone strong and then Jinbei steps in and says the priority is saving Ace. They save Ace, get the hell out of there (the war still going on) and meet the other strawhats (who then explain how they got to the archipelago so fast) and head on to merman island...

Oh wait... that can't happen in just 1 chapter.

[Krisel]

From what i have read, I'm like "lol mixed with omfg". Lol at Boa saying (other than "him") and OMFG at Jr. That was amazingly sad. Oda u crazy nwebster!

[DARK]

Its great to see the Shichibukai in action although its sad to see Oars Jr. get waste so fast. I wonder how would Luffy's group make a contribution to this battle. Its good to know that Luffy is on Hancock's exception list of men (the only one). The Shichibukai is really an unpredictable bunch. If the war did turn against the World Government at some later stage, then it can make it more convenient for some Shichibukai to betray WG. Hopefully, a Pacifista reinforcement of some sort will feature.

I agree. The Shichibukai, which were nearly absent throughout the series as a whole, finally shown off their abilities. If Gecko Moria had such a powerful attack (Horned Lizard), he should have used it back in Thriller Bark. Also the chances of Doflamingo have some string-related DF has also increased. Oars Jr. expectedly acts childish, charging into battles without knowing the enemy, only thinking of saving Ace.
Luffy and co. will probably not arrive to Marineford for a long amount of time, considering how little action is placed into each chapter.

[AiddonValentine]

At this rate it looks like all that Luffy's entourage is going to do is gank Ace and GTFO while everyone else are busy fighting each other. The Marines and Whitebeard's forces are evenly matched, though I fully expect more than a couple characters on the Marines' sides of this to switch their priorities when Luffy arrives.

[Ardus]

I don't think that Luffy and Co. will just be able to snatch Ace and run. There are still plenty of uber powerful marines that haven't joined the fray (Shichibukai, Smoker, Garp, etc...).
Not to mention the fact that over half of the crew on Luffy's ship is hellbent on killing Whitebeard (Including two of the sneakiest characters in the series, Buggy and Crocodile)

Whitebeard won't make it out of this one alive.
(I also think this because of what someone in the manga said about Whitebeard grooming Ace to be Pirate King)

My guess is that Ace will end up taking over whatever is left of Whitebeard's crew, and become another friendly (or unfriendly, depending on how he views Luffy's role in Whitebeard's death) rival of Luffy's for Pirate King.

I still have no idea how Oda is going to incorporate bringing the Mugiwara's back together, but the only way I see that happening is them all cheesily descending upon this war depite the fact that it is in the middle of the calm belt.

[DARK]

That is obvious. About half of the "enemies" he has to fight are ones that he had fought before and could not defeat them (or in Gecko Moria's case, required the help of several hundred people). And if Luffy is just going to charge in like he always does, it certainly does not help his situation.
Besides, I don't see any reason to instanly bring Luffy and co. to the mix. We have just seen the abilities of some of the most unseen characters in the series. Bringing in Luffy means less screentime for Akainu, Jozu, Marco, Hancock, etc.

[SenninSage]

At this rate it looks like all that Luffy's entourage is going to do is gank Ace and GTFO while everyone else are busy fighting each other. The Marines and Whitebeard's forces are evenly matched, though I fully expect more than a couple characters on the Marines' sides of this to switch their priorities when Luffy arrives.

I don't know, I think Luffy and his accompanying party will also play a major role in the combat. There's no way Luffy simply arrives to this thing, gets Ace, and makes a run for it. He's going to do something that truly announces his presence to the New World in a way that none of his previous exploits ever did. This is what this entire arc has been building towards.

I'm also being very careful to not forget about Black Beard. He has something planned, and whatever it is, I suspect it will lead to White Beard's death. I can only imagine where the fight goes from here. I wonder if the Marine's Commander is going to make a move anytime soon?

[sage mode]

think Luffy and his accompanying party will also play a major role in the combat. There's no way Luffy simply arrives to this thing, gets Ace, and makes a run for it. He's going to do something that truly announces his presence to the New World in a way that none of his previous exploits ever did.

i think that luffy beat moria again and now the whole world would know it.Or moria scremms that damn strawhat dont beat me again or something^^

[sh4dx]

luffy just being in the war is a presence for NW..even if he just save ace and leaving he'll shock everyone, so i don't believe that he will get a "name" for beating someone but just for being at the war and maybe for saving ace.

[mp44chris]

luffy just being in the war is a presence for NW..even if he just save ace and leaving he'll shock everyone, so i don't believe that he will get a "name" for beating someone but just for being at the war and maybe for saving ace.
yes interesting idea... may become true who knows...

I just read the spoilers... And i have to say this must be awesome chapter!
555 cant w8 for 666!

[jamjosef]

yes interesting idea... may become true who knows...

I just read the spoilers... And i have to say this must be awesome chapter!
555 cant w8 for 666!

wth??


i think that oars will do some major damage before dying (if he dies) but seriously if he could break their formation so easily why didnt they arranged a planned attack with him as thier forte? instead they let him goo to his doom... it would be cool if he had a DF!!!

[chess4]

since the kings haki is so rare, i think that luffy will have an explosion of haki like he did against the snake sisters and the WG, especially sengoku will realize thaey have to take him out before he learns how to control it. im sure that the kings haki will have ties to the old kingdom that was destroyed.

[DARK]

since the kings haki is so rare, i think that luffy will have an explosion of haki like he did against the snake sisters and the WG, especially sengoku will realize thaey have to take him out before he learns how to control it. im sure that the kings haki will have ties to the old kingdom that was destroyed.

I don't think the King's Haki will work on any of these guys (Shichibukai, Admirals, etc.) though.

[gesgift]

since the kings haki is so rare, i think that luffy will have an explosion of haki like he did against the snake sisters and the WG, especially sengoku will realize thaey have to take him out before he learns how to control it. im sure that the kings haki will have ties to the old kingdom that was destroyed.

Haki havin' to do with the old kingdom? I doubt that? I'm seeing it more as willpower, and he happens to come from a family with a strong will (although we still don't know anything about his mom). I doubt if Luffy in his current state will be able to do anything with his Haki, especialy since he does not know how to control it. But I would love to see more of him in the next chapter.

And I'm still voting for a powerup of WB by Ivanokov!

[chess4]

I don't think the King's Haki will work on any of these guys (Shichibukai, Admirals, etc.) though.

im sure it wouldnt knock them out but im sure it will get everyones attention. im sure the reason shanks is so strong is because of his haki, and im sure the world government wouldnt want that to happen
[hr]

Haki havin' to do with the old kingdom? I doubt that? I'm seeing it more as willpower, and he happens to come from a family with a strong will (although we still don't know anything about his mom). I doubt if Luffy in his current state will be able to do anything with his Haki, especialy since he does not know how to control it. But I would love to see more of him in the next chapter.

And I'm still voting for a powerup of WB by Ivanokov!

the only other person who has been confirmed to have it is boa. maybe shanks and rayleigh both have king haki also but up to this point that hasnt been confirmed. just like the will of d, im sure everyone that can use kings haki has ties to the old world, but i guess we will see. luffy getting any face time should be a few chapter off so all the other pirates and vice admirals can shine. this battle is going to be long and bloody. i think the whitebeards will lose a lot of people.

he must really want ace to be pirate king since he is risking his entire crew to save him

[sarutobi_sensei]

I don't think the King's Haki will work on any of these guys (Shichibukai, Admirals, etc.) though.

Probably not work, but it will shock them alright, except for Boa x) She knows it already x) But she might feel kinda dizzy too :x


Haki havin' to do with the old kingdom? I doubt that? I'm seeing it more as willpower, and he happens to come from a family with a strong will (although we still don't know anything about his mom). I doubt if Luffy in his current state will be able to do anything with his Haki, especialy since he does not know how to control it. But I would love to see more of him in the next chapter.

And I'm still voting for a powerup of WB by Ivanokov!

Hmm, my guess is that everyone has Haki, some can demonstrate it, others can't. Zoro has it, though he doesn't know about it. My guess is that the others also have it, but it's not so noticeable x)

But damn, that would be cool, WB gaining some life thanks to Iva-chan x)


im sure it wouldnt knock them out but im sure it will get everyones attention. im sure the reason shanks is so strong is because of his haki, and im sure the world government wouldnt want that to happen
Oh they want to take him down fast, yes they do x) They probably still don't know that Luffy has escaped ID, when they do, they'll have to worry even more x)

[chess4]

@sarutobi sensei............ i think you are right that everyone has haki,

this is off subject but rayleigh will may or may not show up to help the WB forces, but he can no longer fly under the radar since the WG now knows about him. he will have to start sailing again he and shakuyaka. i think they both will join a crew. i see only a 1 option and that is the red hairs. he would overshadow luffy if he joined their crew and he wouldnt join any of the other crews, so i see him being a red hair

[Manny.F]

My prediction for the next chapter is that Ace upon seeing Oars Jr. die for him is overwhelmed by his emotions and goes Super sayian 2 breaking his chains and then we will get a few pages of reaction shots and the chapter will conclude with Ace facing down Flamingo and Moria for what they did to his friend as they are astounded by his power level as their scouters explode.

[Yans86]

Marines would piss in their pants if Rayleigh show up............GARP clearly said that....

[sage mode]

when zorro learn to use haki he can be a big match against logia.Maybe that the reason why he fly to the ghost girl^^


PS.: I think one or 2 of the Shichibukai will die in the next chapters

[Krisel]

My prediction for the next chapter is that Ace upon seeing Oars Jr. die for him is overwhelmed by his emotions and goes Super sayian 2 breaking his chains and then we will get a few pages of reaction shots and the chapter will conclude with Ace facing down Flamingo and Moria for what they did to his friend as they are astounded by his power level as their scouters explode.

When I finished reading this comment I loled so hard.
Yea that's what I'm expecting too but it sounds too predictable.

[Dim]

i think everyone has taken this kings haki out of context! everyone has to remember that amazon lily is pretty secluded and they dont know much about anyhting! luffy has a large amount of haki from what they said! who knows if it can run out (you getting exhausted quickly etc) i initially thought it was your spirit moving before you do and thats how they can predict your movements, however there are so many grey spots about it!!! regarldes! i want don flamingo dead lol i hate that guys cockiness! i want to see him against MR1 to see how much he can cut, or who he can control! I think it isfor sure though that ace's execution is going to be sped up because whitebeard is comming close and thats when luffy will see what is happening!

would b awsome if luffy lets out a bit of haki and then realises what he just did! But we shall see

Nami will come with an airballon! i wonder whether sunny will be bale to fly!!!
Franky will fly with a jet pack :p
Zoro will GHOST RIDE!!!
chopper will fly over with one of those huge brids!
dont know about sanji or robyn or brook!

In the end luffys gear second seems to do pretty well against haki, as he is moving beyond his own capabilities! A gear 3 haki pistol wopuld be sooooooo sweet! TKO

[sarutobi_sensei]

My prediction for the next chapter is that Ace upon seeing Oars Jr. die for him is overwhelmed by his emotions and goes Super sayian 2 breaking his chains and then we will get a few pages of reaction shots and the chapter will conclude with Ace facing down Flamingo and Moria for what they did to his friend as they are astounded by his power level as their scouters explode.

XD If that happens I'll send you a postcard xD


Marines would piss in their pants if Rayleigh show up............GARP clearly said that....

Yes they would x)


when zorro learn to use haki he can be a big match against logia.Maybe that the reason why he fly to the ghost girl^^


PS.: I think one or 2 of the Shichibukai will die in the next chapters

I always thought that there was a reason to where the Strawhats were sent. But the only ones that I can really think of are Luffy, Robin, Nami and Franky. Luffy it's obvious, Robin to probably meet with the RA and learn more stuff, since that bridge was being constructed since 700 years ago, Nami to learn more about weather? Franky, it's obvious x)

Zoro being sent to the Ghost Girl to learn how to control his Haki? Hmm, doubt it...


When I finished reading this comment I loled so hard.
Yea that's what I'm expecting too but it sounds too predictable.

You never know my friend, you never know x)

[Dim]

zoro was sent to cut was is not able to be cut without HAKI! i reckon Zoro has simlar HAKI to luffy, everyone thus far int he series has always said how he is like a captain etc alot of the techniques he seems to use some form of haki!!! lol you get confused whether its haki or Zoro is just really intimidating hahahaha
[hr]
anyone noticed that boas kiss thing or love heart thign she makes is similar to ivankovs death wink????

[sarutobi_sensei]

Ivankov's Death Wink is either a Haki based attack or it works because of his DF. Though I srsl think that it's Haki.

[sh4dx]

Ivankov's Death Wink is either a Haki based attack or it works because of his DF. Though I srsl think that it's Haki.

why it's based on haki i don't understand if you want explain it to me..
probably works because of his df

[Skyrius]

Psh, since when does anything have to have a logical explanation in the One Piece world? I mean, this is the world with giant flamingo headed sea snakes and round rainbows. I'm just content to go with the whole shounen manga stereotypical awesome attacks and enjoy reading about a nice helping of asskicking. <3

That aside, there's always the possibility that an attack is just...well an attack. You know, not haki or DF based. Heck, Zolo shoots shockwaves from his sorts, so it's definitely possible.

[gold349]

I don't think the King's Haki will work on any of these guys (Shichibukai, Admirals, etc.) though.

I think 'will power' will be the 'force' required to deal with them guys, its just that the cover stories seem to be pointing towards his crew gaining some sort of powers (power ups) Luffy should too IMO. Haki, the kings disposition, Boa Hancock can use it though she hasn't mastered it, maybe she, we will get a chapter when Luffy makes it to the battle Boa giving him a lesson/tips on how he can control that power?...otherwise Luffy is way out of his depth, I just can't see him waltzing in unseen and saving Ace and leaving unseen.

[sarutobi_sensei]

why it's based on haki i don't understand if you want explain it to me..
probably works because of his df

How do you want me to explain something that I'm not certain of?

If it's Haki then it's haki concentrated on his eye lashes, just like the Kuja concentrate it on their arrows, swords, etc.

If it's his DF power then his DF produces more than hormones.

[iKeno]

I think 'will power' will be the 'force' required to deal with them guys, its just that the cover stories seem to be pointing towards his crew gaining some sort of powers (power ups) Luffy should too IMO. Haki, the kings disposition, Boa Hancock can use it though she hasn't mastered it, maybe she, we will get a chapter when Luffy makes it to the battle Boa giving him a lesson/tips on how he can control that power?...otherwise Luffy is way out of his depth, I just can't see him waltzing in unseen and saving Ace and leaving unseen.
Sorry if this is offtopic but I just want to say that was a mistranslation.

[Dim]

why it's based on haki i don't understand if you want explain it to me..
probably works because of his df

well look at hancoks ability to shoot that love heart with a kiss- and ivankovs wink

she turns ppl to stone
he has a hormone fruit!

the attacks arent related to teh DF

[Blanka]

If it's Haki then it's haki concentrated on his eye lashes, just like the Kuja concentrate it on their arrows, swords, etc.

If it's his DF power then his DF produces more than hormones.

That is an interesting theory. The Okama queen's DF never explained the death wink. Mastered Haki would account for eyelashes and rayleigh's ability to stop light with a sword.

Ohh seeing Nami on the cover got me jonesin' real bad.

This is turning into a battle royale, i am missing the SHats, but i am intrigued because i cannot forsee how this incident will play out

[SilversDKRayleigh]

so i guess we r not seeing zoro until after brook.

[ScratchmenApoo]

Did anyone else notice that the old weather wizard looks like one of the women on Amazon Lily... Are they related or something ?

[Duc :D]

wtf is going on its been the first since .... can't remember how many month that there is Naruto Chapter coming out before OP?^^

R.I.P. Oars Jr. (Hope that Ace doesn't has the King Haki, too.)

[Lord Rayleigh]

If it's Haki then it's haki concentrated on his eye lashes, just like the Kuja concentrate it on their arrows, swords, etc.
If it's his DF power then his DF produces more than hormones.

It should be both. His hormone DF allows him to be able to do the attack with his eye (to move air) and the Haki explains why this attack is so strong.
I do not expect to see another one able to do that.

[Katz]

I wonder if WB has haki or another un-explained power, cause in the flashbacks with Ace he was able to stop every assassination attempt, and Ace being a logia type, I don't think any Logia would be a problem for WB since he was able to be 1/2 asleep and stop Ace from stabbing him...yay for WB, haki ftw


Looking past the war for a second, I wonder how Luffy is gonna find his crew, I mean their scattered all over the grandline and possible the east blue as well (could be wrong there), He doesn't even have his ship with him anymore, thats gonna be a long arc if he has to retrive his ship, if its even still intact than hunt down every single member of his crew.

OH! poor Oar's as well, maybe he has a regenerative DF...lolz

Don is offically a badass Mofo now, we'll see how much more he can do in the upcoming chapters hopefully

[FluffBall]

yeh its probably gonna take a long time before they meet up again but they would have to meet up sometime even if it takes a long time. *sigh* i feel sorry for ace as his friend was pwned before his eyes just before reaching him and so R.I.P oz jr.

[Ero-Sanji]

Damn Oda really saved the best for "last".
The Shichibukais are so unique and marvelous, that I came up with a profession and a nationality to each and one of them.

Kuma - Heartless and on duty (Spanish conquistador)
Hancock - Amazingly beautiful and arrogant (Brazilian Model(You know Amazon)
Jimbei - Honest and Fair (Japanese Knight(Samurai)
Doflamingo - Flamboyant and up-to-date (French fashion designer)
Crocodile - Powerful and corrupt (Italian mobster)
Moria - Mad and curious (N-German/Soviet Scientist)
Mihawk - Respected and Noble (English Gentleman)
Blackbeard - Free and dirty (American Hobo)

[Roarchu]

Wow that's awesome, those nationalities and professions really fit those guys, seriously it's perfect!

And seeing Oars jr. fall before him...will Ace release some crazy damn Haki or what? I really hope Ace gets loose sometime during the war and starts recklessly taking out marines

[javimgol]

Damn Oda really saved the best for "last".
The Shichibukais are so unique and marvelous, that I came up with a profession and a nationality to each and one of them.

Kuma - Heartless and on duty (Spanish conquistador)

Thanks for the compliments, you have read LOTS of Spanish History to say :facepalm
And why not a Swedish rapist, like in Stieg Larsson books? It would have the same logical as the sentence you have said.

About the chapter, it's sad that we had seen Oars Jr. for just two chapters. But it's really nice to see Shichibukai finally moving.
Next week, I hope we'll finally see Luffy and Co. arriving

[kkck]

Nice chapter, my only complain is the amount of double pages which make the chapter kinda short....

Oars backstory is interesting but I did felt it lacked something. The guy really appreciated the kindness ace showed him but it kinda lacks something. Why would oars be so happy about such a thing? Maybe a little more development is in order for the guy lol.

This is quite a development for moria, that attack was insanely powerful. He actually had an easy time impaling oars. Of course oars was already hurt and everything but still. I have always believed moria did not show most of his fighting power in TB arc given that he never fought by himself head on, I guess this chapter kinda supports that.

As for doflamingo, they guy was awesome pure pawnage. I have the impression that he is a "thread man, he can create a number of invisible threads from his fingers and control them. That would explain how he mutilated oars so easily and was able to manipulate people back then.

[Ero-Sanji]

Thanks for the compliments, you have read LOTS of Spanish History to say :facepalm
And why not a Swedish rapist, like in Stieg Larsson books? It would have the same logical as the sentence you have said.

About the chapter, it's sad that we had seen Oars Jr. for just two chapters. But it's really nice to see Shichibukai finally moving.
Next week, I hope we'll finally see Luffy and Co. arriving

Easy, Easy I'm sure the Indians of America saw the Conquistadors as saints...

Well you know what I had to expect that, so I apologies if any one was offended :(

If Ivankov was a Shichibukai I would definitely make him swedish.

[sage mode]

This is quite a development for moria, that attack was insanely powerful. He actually had an easy time impaling oars. Of course oars was already hurt and everything but still. I have always believed moria did not show most of his fighting power in TB arc given that he never fought by himself head on, I guess this chapter kinda supports that.


at thriller bark moria was very strong with his 1000 shadow power up.It was just a diffrent fight situation^^

[gesgift]

This is quite a development for moria, that attack was insanely powerful. He actually had an easy time impaling oars. Of course oars was already hurt and everything but still. I have always believed moria did not show most of his fighting power in TB arc given that he never fought by himself head on, I guess this chapter kinda supports that.

Moria needed Oars dead for his corpse, but needed the sh's alive for their shadows (fighting skills etc.), big difference!
+ Oars was a giant who's impossible to miss, while Luffy is quite fast and not so easy to hit...

Zombie Oars looked a lot more agile than his grandson to me.

And Off-topic perhaps, but if any SB could be linked to a nationality: DoFlamingo would be from Belgium (Flamingo is italian for somone from Flanders=part of Belgium ;) )

[UchihaSharingan]

It's sad that Oars Jr's gonna die soon. He seemed like a gentle giant. Must be agonizing for Ace to see his pal get destroyed right before his eyes. :(

[Ero-Sanji]

Well the chapter was good!

Hancock was great, Kuma was great as always even though he was on one little pic, doflamingo was über and Moria was surprisingly good as well!

I think this shows us that Mihawk is on a little higher level then the rest.

but what was really bugging me was the admirals, what are they doing???

[sarutobi_sensei]

All I gotta say is: Oars Jr ain't dead. He wasn't stabbed in the heart X)
[hr]

Moria needed Oars dead for his corpse, but needed the sh's alive for their shadows (fighting skills etc.), big difference!
+ Oars was a giant who's impossible to miss, while Luffy is quite fast and not so easy to hit...

Zombie Oars looked a lot more agile than his grandson to me.

And Off-topic perhaps, but if any SB could be linked to a nationality: DoFlamingo would be from Belgium (Flamingo is italian for somone from Flanders=part of Belgium ;) )
I have to say it: it was because he had Luffy's shadow inside him.

[Katz]

but what was really bugging me was the admirals, what are they doing???

Well Kiz is probably still fighting to a stalemate with Macro, since they both seem to be able to negate each others attacks

"Iceman" is probably re-forming himself somewhere or he pretended to be shattered to either get a advantage or just to skip out on the battle

and Mr.Volcano is probably still throwing fireballs at WB or something of the sort

[Yans86]

Well Aokiji reformed after stopping the tsunami to freeze the bay http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/06-07/

[Krisel]

I can't believe Whitebeard got nervous about how reckless Jr. was acting. Contrary from my previous thoughts, WB does care a lot about people.
With what happened I expect Ace to flip out and break the chains. Why do I get the feeling he's gonna roast Sengoku's goat? Baaaaaaa! Yea "Baaaaa" all u want but no moar peipperz for u to eat, lil byotch!

[Black Lagoon]

It's sad that Oars Jr's gonna die soon. He seemed like a gentle giant. Must be agonizing for Ace to see his pal get destroyed right before his eyes. :(

well, he may die if he receives another attack, but if WB shows us how he's really...(I mean, takes the initiative, move...)

[Junior]

Nice chapter, my only complain is the amount of double pages which make the chapter kinda short....

Oars backstory is interesting but I did felt it lacked something. The guy really appreciated the kindness ace showed him but it kinda lacks something. Why would oars be so happy about such a thing? Maybe a little more development is in order for the guy lol.


Yeah, I think the reason why he was so happy about it was...what you said in the previous sentence. Being a gigantic, ogre monstrosity...I doubt Oars had known many people to be genuinely nice to him. I even doubt many people would have ever taken the time out to make him anything special or care for his well being (probably not even his father). Nearly everyone he ran across, more than likely, immediately feared him and headed the other way.

but Ace has that Luffy spirit. Instead of fearing Oars like everyone else, he treated him like a friend/human being..which must have been rare. That's why he was willing to go through the entire Military force to repay Ace.

A little cliche but yeah. I don't think it was a LOT of developmemnt but I think it was enough for a character that doesn't seem to be sticking around for very long.

..and yeah, I'm almost certain now that Donflamingo is a Manipulator -- someone that controls Marionettes. That would explain why he's always moving his fingers before he controls people (look at his hands when he flips above Oars). Since manipulators use strings/wires to manipulate the marionettes..it also explains how he was able to cut through Oars' leg.

[Black Lagoon]

I can't believe Whitebeard got nervous about how reckless Jr. was acting. Contrary from my previous thoughts, WB does care a lot about people.
With what happened I expect Ace to flip out and break the chains. Why do I get the feeling he's gonna roast Sengoku's goat? Baaaaaaa! Yea "Baaaaa" all u want but no moar peipperz for u to eat, lil byotch!

Hey, don't mess with the goat, it maybe the head (of the WG) :p, remember Bepo (the bear) from Law's (one supernova) crew :tem

[Junior]

I also love how Sengoku seems to have stayed in the same spot the entire time..he was perfectly still behind Ace even after Oars was getting closer.

I doubt it's because he had faith in the Shichibukai to stop things before they got out of hand. I honestly think..Sengoku is going to turn out to be a beast.

[sh4dx]

very good chapter.dofla pure pwn, i expected that he's a beast, cutting oars leg so easily and laughing as always.kuma's urshus shock back at TB he destroyed the whole island and now it just hit odz, probably he didn't do it at full power.i want more from hancock to fight a "big name" even if she changes side when luffy arrive i don't care!and moria showing us moves that back at TB never did and this says a lot about his fight with luffy.
anyway very good chapter.probably at the next chapter we get some Mihawk doing something, and where is garp?seriously he can't be the dog VA..i hope he and sengoku do something at the next chapter.

[Black Lagoon]

I also love how Sengoku seems to have stayed in the same spot the entire time..he was perfectly still behind Ace even after Oars was getting closer.

I doubt it's because he had faith in the Shichibukai to stop things before they got out of hand. I honestly think..Sengoku is going to turn out to be a beast.

he had/has faith in the goat :fan

from the first meeting between him and WB after a long time, WB's words tells that he's ... mmmh ... powerful?? his only defect IMO is that he's melodramatic -_-;

[chess4]

man i cant believe oars is done for. even if ace is saved from being killed he will regret goinga fter BB since a lot of his pals will be killed. this battle is going to be long and bloody. ims ure the Wg has a trump card up there sleeve, i wouldnt be shocked if the WB pirates were wiped out completely here

[kkck]

at thriller bark moria was very strong with his 1000 shadow power up.It was just a diffrent fight situation^^

IMHO the 1000 shadows actually weakened him though. It was by far more than what he could take, and in the end he turned into a giant ranting idiot almost incapable of any form of reasoning. Right now moria is in his normal mode with his senses at 100% and the first thing he does is deal the finishing blow to a creature as massive as oars. Oars did have a lot of damage on him but it is still impressive that he is capable of attacks of that magnitude.

[Akainu]

Some details that might have gone under the radar so far due to the Shichibukais awesomenes:

- Nami is not running away? Instead she is doing business again (seems to have bought something). I guess she's trying to pull a fast one on those people and run for her life next week :D

- Ace learned how to make those hats in Wano - the place where Ryuma was from and where some supposed the SH to go (swordsmen - Zoro connection).
Also this connects TB to what happend now in another even more weird way.

- Despite not reaching Ace, Oars helped the the Pirates to even reach the Plaza. At least that's how I'd interprete the speech bubble on panel 4 page 18. So the war can continue at some fresh new places with new surprises and heavy losses *.*

[k-dom]

Even if that was a short chapter, Oars allowed to fasten the war since a huge amount of pirates is now on the plaza. That means that the outside ships are now almost useless.

on the side note, we can see on page 5, the hole made by Joz iceberg, quite impressive again...
Also, the remark about Ace being fire when he made the hat, reminds me of the long topic from mega convo about logia being always elemental or having 2 separate forms... Isn't that stating in favor of the first one ?

[Gcat88]

i actually teared up. i thought Oars would last a little longer than that. i jus hope that moria doesnt get him or else well have a Thriller Bark 2. jking. but damn good chapter, as always!!!
P.S. Akainu i never noticed that before thanks for pointing that out.

[chess4]

i cant wait for luffy to show up....................he, jinbei, croc, and buggy will jump off the baot looking like straight gangstas. ace will probably be shocked that luffy and jinbei are there

[trunterzx]

After reading the chapter, I kind of felt sad for Oars...

[Black Lagoon]

Some details that might have gone under the radar so far due to the Shichibukais awesomenes:

- Nami is not running away? Instead she is doing business again (seems to have bought something). I guess she's trying to pull a fast one on those people and run for her life next week :D

- Ace learned how to make those hats in Wano - the place where Ryuma was from and where some supposed the SH to go (swordsmen - Zoro connection).
Also this connects TB to what happend now in another even more weird way.

- Despite not reaching Ace, Oars helped the the Pirates to even reach the Plaza. At least that's how I'd interprete the speech bubble on panel 4 page 18. So the war can continue at some fresh new places with new surprises and heavy losses *.*

that's right, Shichibukais and oars are taking all our attention.
you're totally right, Damn, I can't see Nami going around idly with no business :tem

[DSJump]

Now that the chapter is out, we can asume that Doflamingo is a puppet master!!
I mean maybe he cut off Oars leg with a very powerful string. And the way he hold his hands when he takes control of people.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/16-17/

We can see his right hand without his ringfinger pulled like he usually does, so maybe he didn't need to cuz it would mess up the strings?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/03/

Looks like he moves his hand slightly when one of the guys attack the other.

But that's just my theory.

[neovenom]

one main thing i like about this arc is how oda is giving us some insight on Ace's connections with some of the characters involved in this war such as Whitebeard, Jimbei, and Oars jr via flashbacks. It's like he's reminding us that Ace did go through his own adventures and made friends along the way just like how luffy is doing now.

Awesome chapter, its like oda dedicated it to the many readers who felt that the shichibukai were trash and all of them except kuma and mihawk were gonna get pwned easily by whitebeard's forces forgetting the fact that the shichibukai make up 1/3 of the world's 3 great superpowers. flamingo was pure win this chapter and hancock omg is it just me or was she not totally hot in that panel when she kicked the crap out of the one pirate that started to crack lol

[Greenwichkid]

Hey I know I'm a new poster, but there's something I'd like for people to acknowledge. It'll only take a minute.

The first thing I'd like to say is that I'm going to be absolutely furious if oars hand just falls to the ground before ace. The reason why is not because I'd think it'd be sad or unjust but because its just plain illogical.

If Oars body functions similarly to that of human beings than right now he'd be pumping enormous amounts of adrenaline. Now before anyone replies by going "well he did get his leg chopped off and a spear through his chest" I'd like to point out that neither of those attacks are immediately fatal. The shadow spear didn't go through his heart, just through the middle of his chest. At the very least from the way he's falling Oars will land right next to Ace and if there's any logic in this manga he should just grab that damn podium and through it into the sky and toward whitebeard. If Sengoku like chops his head off as he falls than I'll accept that, but if he just falls to the ground dead I'm going to be pretty angry. That's my 5 cents.

[ANBU4U]

Some details that might have gone under the radar so far due to the Shichibukais awesomenes:

- Nami is not running away? Instead she is doing business again (seems to have bought something). I guess she's trying to pull a fast one on those people and run for her life next week :D

- Ace learned how to make those hats in Wano - the place where Ryuma was from and where some supposed the SH to go (swordsmen - Zoro connection).
Also this connects TB to what happend now in another even more weird way.

- Despite not reaching Ace, Oars helped the the Pirates to even reach the Plaza. At least that's how I'd interprete the speech bubble on panel 4 page 18. So the war can continue at some fresh new places with new surprises and heavy losses *.*

Also, if you'll notice. Nami's on the ground. Weatheria is actually hovering above wherever they are (you can see it in the top left -hand corner). They clearly used that little Hot Air/Bubble ship thingy next to them to travel down to...wherever they are.

I can only think of three reasons Nami hasnt already jacked the ship and headed towards Rayleigh:

1. She doesnt know how to navigate with it yet. (and or..)
2. Shes wants to learn more about Weatheria (or..)
3. Shes actually in the process of stealing it now, and next week we see her ride into the wind.

If shes not underway next chapter (and I dont think she will be, as nobody else has been shown setting out) bet on option 2.

[k-dom]

The title says "business ON the island" so I suppose she is still there

[ANBU4U]

The title says "business ON the island" so I suppose she is still there

Shes not. You can literally SEE (http://http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/01/) Weatheria in the sky on the left. And furthermore there's an airship right next to them.

The logical conclusion is that they floated weatheria to their destination somehow, then took the little airship down to the island below in order complete their buisness.

In fact, judging by that sheet the old man is holding I'd guess he's SELLING weather conditions. It seems like he's selling these particular customers rain.

I guess Weatheria will just hover above the place and drop rain somehow??

Who knows, that was just an educated guess. But I AM sure that Nami and the old man are off of Weatheria.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Hmm I think Oda could have done better this chapter, the Oars part of the chapter was a bit meh, the Shichibukai stuff was good though, but I never really cared about that oars guy falling right at the end, it wasn't very tragic when I think it was meant to be. Maybe Oda should have focused on one thing this chapter, make it less rushed and it would feel more emotional.

[gesgift]

Hmm I think Oda could have done better this chapter, the Oars part of the chapter was a bit meh, the Shichibukai stuff was good though, but I never really cared about that oars guy falling right at the end, it wasn't very tragic when I think it was meant to be. Maybe Oda should have focused on one thing this chapter, make it less rushed and it would feel more emotional.

If less hapened, THAT would be the critic, not? It was a good chapter to show the strenghth of the SB, and make clear that 'simple brute force' wont make it till Ace. And remember, there are a lot of characters whom we haven't seen fighting yet, and Hina and Smoker don't seem weak...

[sh4dx]

Hmm I think Oda could have done better this chapter, the Oars part of the chapter was a bit meh, the Shichibukai stuff was good though, but I never really cared about that oars guy falling right at the end, it wasn't very tragic when I think it was meant to be. Maybe Oda should have focused on one thing this chapter, make it less rushed and it would feel more emotional.

he had to show us the flashback with ace just to understand his "passion" for saving ace.me too just don't care if he fell down with a cut leg and stabbing from moria i found it good to show doflamingo powers & moria's new attacks.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

If less hapened, THAT would be the critic, not? It was a good chapter to show the strenghth of the SB, and make clear that 'simple brute force' wont make it till Ace. And remember, there are a lot of characters whom we haven't seen fighting yet, and Hina and Smoker don't seem weak...

I like the Shichibukai part but I wish Oda focused on that for one whole chapter (and/or with something else) rather than mixing it with some guys death which many won't feel sad about, it gives the feeling it's a bit of canon filler. LOL

He could still have showcased Dofla's and Moria's talent but not on that Oars guy.

[Cruewk]

Chapter is pretty good, Oda knows how to express emotion.

Pretty sure Donflamingo is a String String man, something similar to Kawakami Bansai's attacks from Gintama. We know he can manipulate others and cut off Oz's legs...so it has to be something with strings. I imagine is limitation is contraoling a maximum of 10 body parts as he only has 10 fingers to control a puppet.

Prediction for next chapter is Shichibukai final opponents get decided and the real war begins.

[ololiuhqui]

he could used the oars thing to make ace use his haki idk, i wouldnt be surprised if he had the kings haki too

[Mr. Crocodile]

I found something to be pretty odd in this chapter...how come that if Hancock despised being a slave so much she named her attack slave arrow? And also it seems that the attack petrifies some people completely but only in certain parts in others..my guess is that it depends on how powerful the person is, so the small fries get petrified right away..and Oars Jr. is wearing the same hat that samurai Ryumma did..so apparently the country of Wano will play an important role in the future.

[Polemidis]

I found something to be pretty odd in this chapter...how come that if Hancock despised being a slave so much she named her attack slave arrow? And also it seems that the attack petrifies some people completely but only in certain parts in others..my guess is that it depends on how powerful the person is, so the small fries get petrified right away..and Oars Jr. is wearing the same hat that samurai Ryumma did..so apparently the country of Wano will play an important role in the future.

beacuse propably she means that she enslaves her enemies hearts.

[neovenom]

I found something to be pretty odd in this chapter...how come that if Hancock despised being a slave so much she named her attack slave arrow? And also it seems that the attack petrifies some people completely but only in certain parts in others..my guess is that it depends on how powerful the person is, so the small fries get petrified right away..and Oars Jr. is wearing the same hat that samurai Ryumma did..so apparently the country of Wano will play an important role in the future.

i guess naming it "slave arrow" is meant to imply that whoever gets hit by it becomes her love slave maybe lol it's not like she's traumatized to the point of not wanting to associate anything with the word "slave"

and for the guy who is petrified on a part of his body only, if you see the panel before that one, he wasn't petrified partially when she unleashed the slave arrows therfore i concluded that she applied part of her devil fruit powers to her hand to hand combat as you can see he becomes petrified after receiving her kick which would be awesome if it is in fact true.

[Tsukisama]

I am glad that Oda didn't spend this chapter just on fighting and showing off people's powers. IMO, having a chapter of only flashy techniques does not make a good story, and Oda always does a good job with making each chapter full of good story.

The Oars portion of the story is quite important IMO, as it provides signigicant characterization not just for Oars, Jr., but more importantly for Ace. When I first saw all of the forces that showed up for Ace and their candor to save him, I was quite impressed. They all seemed to care quite a lot for him, and I wondered whether it was because of his position and as a favor to Whitebeard or if their feelings were genuinely inspired by Ace. This chapter supports the latter.

This chapter gives us a better glimpse of Ace's kind and gentle heart and allows us to see from the perspective of one of the forces trying to save him (outside of Luffy and Whitebeard's crew) why he means so much for him. Ace's generosity and caring moved Oars, Jr. so profoundly. It was really rather touching to me. Oars, Jr. had little to no concern for his own life in this affair, only Ace's well-being; that speaks volumes and adds greater depth to the fight.

The only place where I think Oda could have done a bit better in this regard is having Oars, Jr. only be a part of the story so briefly. The emotional impact at which he was obviously aiming seems to have not been as deep as perhaps he may have wanted. I can see the dramatic effect of introducing a character quickly only to have it perish in an emotionally charged way; when done correctly, it could show the ephemerality of life and tragedy of the war, but I think this was a bit too abrupt for the audience and it just comes off as a waste of time that way.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

I agree it was too quick, he came and wentand I don't like seeing a death where it doesn't feel tragic to the reader when it was supposed to be, it felt too rushed, I think Oda could have stretched it for another chapter. The Ace flashbacks are nice, but an improvement could be would be drawing the flashbacks larger instead of the small panels, because it would help to emphasize the relationship between Ace better, and get to know/acknowledge Oars a bit better I guess.

[chess4]

i think this chapter will be better in the anime


SIDENOTE

i think the only reason Oars jr was introduced was because he will be a zombie crewman for moria in the new world

[Ilyes84]

I like the Shichibukai part but I wish Oda focused on that for one whole chapter (and/or with something else) rather than mixing it with some guys death which many won't feel sad about, it gives the feeling it's a bit of canon filler. LOL

He could still have showcased Dofla's and Moria's talent but not on that Oars guy.

I would have liked a chapter focused on little Oars, followed by one in which all the Shicibukai team up (and I use that term only in its vaguest sense) to bring him down, much like the SHs did with Oars I.
Don't know why, but I somewhat liked Doflamingo's cruelty; isn't this the first time we see something like this in OP?

[blackking187]

I was wondering how strong is ozz jr. ? Is he stronger than ozz in his normal form? Is he stronger than zombie ozz with luffy's shadow?

I hope that luffy will soon join the battle because i wanna see him put his stamp in this war. And i hope ace isn't being to long with handcuffs because we can see a crazy war without the wb pirates worry about safing ace but i think this will be in the end of the war.

[RichardMNixon]

Luffy-Oars Sr. was definitely a lot faster, unless the Ursa Shock just really messed up Oars Jr. It's hard to talk about strength because we don't really know how strong DoFlamingo is.

[Akainu]

The only place where I think Oda could have done a bit better in this regard is having Oars, Jr. only be a part of the story so briefly. The emotional impact at which he was obviously aiming seems to have not been as deep as perhaps he may have wanted. I can see the dramatic effect of introducing a character quickly only to have it perish in an emotionally charged way; when done correctly, it could show the ephemerality of life and tragedy of the war, but I think this was a bit too abrupt for the audience and it just comes off as a waste of time that way.

Ahh, I think Oda did that on purpose. He surely could have introduced him way back in TB or somewhere else, but if he was there too long it would on the one hand be too emotional for the readers and on the other hand it would ruin the effect he imo intended (Admittedly this character feels like something Oda wove in later on, maybe around TB whereas the other things were planned already?).
In short it is a reduction to what WB said about Oars: there is a diffrence between heroism and being plain suicidal. The introduction (showing the ship & showing him) being so close to his "death" furthers this point. Oars was a fool to rush in without tactics without hesitation and so on.
Now he didn't exactly fail in breaching the enemy frontline and making way for his comrades, but that might heavily backfire on all of that that got to the Plaza first. I like how Oda is showing us that war really is war and not just a children's birthday party.

[Black Lagoon]

I won't be surprised if Ace uses some kind of Haki as Rayleigh did here, If i'm not mistaken :sweathttp://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000044661/19.jpg

well, not what exactly he did here, but how he managed to unleash himself... it's gonna be awesome and just in front of Sengoku's eyes :amuse

[Aikidoka]

I am glad that Oda didn't spend this chapter just on fighting and showing off people's powers. IMO, having a chapter of only flashy techniques does not make a good story, and Oda always does a good job with making each chapter full of good story.

The Oars portion of the story is quite important IMO, as it provides signigicant characterization not just for Oars, Jr., but more importantly for Ace. When I first saw all of the forces that showed up for Ace and their candor to save him, I was quite impressed. They all seemed to care quite a lot for him, and I wondered whether it was because of his position and as a favor to Whitebeard or if their feelings were genuinely inspired by Ace. This chapter supports the latter.

This chapter gives us a better glimpse of Ace's kind and gentle heart and allows us to see from the perspective of one of the forces trying to save him (outside of Luffy and Whitebeard's crew) why he means so much for him. Ace's generosity and caring moved Oars, Jr. so profoundly. It was really rather touching to me. Oars, Jr. had little to no concern for his own life in this affair, only Ace's well-being; that speaks volumes and adds greater depth to the fight.

The only place where I think Oda could have done a bit better in this regard is having Oars, Jr. only be a part of the story so briefly. The emotional impact at which he was obviously aiming seems to have not been as deep as perhaps he may have wanted. I can see the dramatic effect of introducing a character quickly only to have it perish in an emotionally charged way; when done correctly, it could show the ephemerality of life and tragedy of the war, but I think this was a bit too abrupt for the audience and it just comes off as a waste of time that way.
I agree with Akainu. When Hancock (or anybody else) slaughtered the nameless soldiers, did you feel any pity for them? I know I didn't. Just giving someone a name does a lot to boost their "importance" in the story. At the very least, it brings them closer to reality and makes us sympathize with them better.

At the same time Oda couldn't have let Oars Jr. have too much screentime. You may have wanted it to be less abrupt, but I feel that this brevity is crucial to what Oda wanted. He gave us just a glimpse into Ace's impact on the New World and its pirates; he left the rest of it to our imagination. If Oda had given Oars more screentime, and therefore more characterization, our window into Ace's life would have become enclosed by a frame, in a sense--dictated by Oda rather than left to our own imagination. He gave us just enough of a glimpse to get a sense of who Ace was, who Oars was, why his death was significant. If he had given us more of a window into Oars and Ace, Oda would have restricted our imagination--rather than feeling what we individually felt (ranging from nothing to sorrow for Oars)--we would feel what Oda felt. And that could potentially have "ruined" what he wanted to convey.

I'm not sure if anyone will actually understand my pseudo-Lit thing...

[mr.danly]

I agree with Akainu. When Hancock (or anybody else) slaughtered the nameless soldiers, did you feel any pity for them? I know I didn't. Just giving someone a name does a lot to boost their "importance" in the story. At the very least, it brings them closer to reality and makes us sympathize with them better.

At the same time Oda couldn't have let Oars Jr. have too much screentime. You may have wanted it to be less abrupt, but I feel that this brevity is crucial to what Oda wanted. He gave us just a glimpse into Ace's impact on the New World and its pirates; he left the rest of it to our imagination. If Oda had given Oars more screentime, and therefore more characterization, our window into Ace's life would have become enclosed by a frame, in a sense--dictated by Oda rather than left to our own imagination. He gave us just enough of a glimpse to get a sense of who Ace was, who Oars was, why his death was significant. If he had given us more of a window into Oars and Ace, Oda would have restricted our imagination--rather than feeling what we individually felt (ranging from nothing to sorrow for Oars)--we would feel what Oda felt. And that could potentially have "ruined" what he wanted to convey.

I'm not sure if anyone will actually understand my pseudo-Lit thing...

I get it, and I agree. Oda did it very well. And someone else said that Oars Sr. was a lot faster than Oars Jr? Oars Sr. was only fast because he had Luffy's shadow in it, and therefore all of Luffy's battle capabilities and techniques. No Giant should naturally be that swift, particularly one of the Oars family's size.

EDIT: LOL, http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/18-19/, if you look in the upper left hand corner, the very point of the spear is in the shape of a Gecko. I guess Moria decided to add a little touch to his spear.

[skydevilnooj]

I don't think oars is done in quite yet...yeah he took a Ursus Shock from Kuma head on and his leg was chopped off by Don Flamingo and his heart was pierced by Gecko Moria's Horned Shadow Spear attack but like we all know when it comes to one piece a bad ass like Oars Jr. not gonna even let death stop him from reaching Ace...And he's survived the New World...He won't die but he might collapse from the pain but I have a feeling either Whitebeard or Josu will come to his aid...the person I have the most eerie feeling about is Fleet Admiral Sengoku...If the 3 Admirals are as strong and lethal as their reputation I'm curious to see why Sengoku has and maintains a title of such stature...what could his power be and how much strength does he possess? Can he take on Whitebeard one on one? That's what I cant wait to see. Also Whitebeard has yet to make a move from the Moby Dick yet, for the guy with the title of "Worlds Strongest Man" you'd think he'd free Ace by now unless he's aware of how dangerous the Fleet Admiral truly is...And I wonder if Blackbeard is gonna show up and finish the final touches of his master plan....For those who haven't figured it out yet: Blackbeard remained under the radar when he was part of Whitebeards crew in the New World and killed a comrade for a devil fruit...he fled in search of his own crew and a 100 million+ bounty to turn over to the government to gain the status of a Warlord and go from a crew of five to a crew of five backed by the entire World Government and Marines to match, if not surpass Whitebeards massive army... turning over Portgas D. Ace wasn't exactly what he intended to do so soon but in the end it moved his plans forward a lot quicker and drew in Whitebeard... Now he's using the government to take out his biggest competition and threat to the One Piece, his ultimate goal of obtaining the rarest treasure and becoming the Pirate King... And by starting this war he also cripples the Marines and World Government in size and power weakening them so there not as much as a threat to him in the future...He's already battled Red Hair Shanks and left him with a scar so he can probably take Red Hair and it was Shanks that held Kaidou at bay from Whitebeard so he could hurry to save Ace... So if Shanks is on par with Kaidou and Blackbeard can scar or take Shanks in a fight then he can take Kaidou as well... Meaning Blackbeard has set up all the world powers to collide with one another all at once and has enough strength to take them in fights if he goes at them full strength and backed by his crew, especially with the help of his new edition Level 6 inmate of Impel Down Shiryuu(most likely his 1st Mate now)... SO REALLY BLACKBEARD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A FORCE THAT NOBODY CAN STOP... EXCEPT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE BY OUR FAVORITE KICK ASS CREW: THE STRAW HAT PIRATES.

This is what Bartholomew Kuma might have been worried about when he gave the report to Gecko Moria of Blackbeard becoming the new Warlord on Thriller Bark...Also it could be a reason why Kuma sent the Straw Hat Pirates their separate ways to power up not only to survive the New World but maybe survive long enough for Luffy to rendezvous with his father Dragon in the New World to somehow become even stronger... enough so that he can challenge Blackbeard for the One Piece and keep him from obtaining the worlds greatest treasure...Remember Kuma gave props to Luffy for gathering a good loyal and honorable crew when he was on Thriller Bark and Kuma was a pirate in the past and probably recognizes the potential of the Straw Hats...BASICALLY I CANT WAIT TO SEE HOW ALL THIS CRAZY SHIT WILL UNFOLD...CANT WAIT, WHO'S WITH ME?

[Saint Markus]

awesome chapter. another great week from oda. poor oars jr.

[ScorpionGR]

next chapter moria is gonna attack doflamingo ... !! and maybe we gonna see luffy and the others... Most of all i wanna see blackbeard !!!!!

[Mr. Crocodile]

So I'm thinking that unless Oda decides to introduce any other NW captains or VA, we'll be seeing luffy on the next chapter..maybe we'll first see briefly what happened to Oars and everyone's reaction..and then it will switch to luffy, or maybe Garp.

[jimm120]

man i cant believe oars is done for. even if ace is saved from being killed he will regret goinga fter BB since a lot of his pals will be killed. this battle is going to be long and bloody. ims ure the Wg has a trump card up there sleeve, i wouldnt be shocked if the WB pirates were wiped out completely here

Ace was the key to starting all this but this is something that the World Government had obviously been planning for a while. They've obviously been thinking of challenging Whitebeard or else they wouldn't have done what they did (which was take ace hostage). So, it isn't so much Ace's fault and more like this even was inevitable...just someone else being held hostage.

[xstationcubed]

it could go either way, that's the interesting part. in most manga, you pretty much know how its gonna end, even if only vaguely. we have no idea whether Oda's gonna kill WB, destroy the WG, or something completely unexpected.

[obamamania]

Well, he could destory marine HQ and yet not destroy the WG, since we can't forget about VegaPunk and his pacifistas, as well as Pluton that I suspect will be the weapon that beats whitebeard. Something big needs to happen, a simple battle with one side winning would be...actually lame but knowing Oda this is going to kick ass no matter how he writes it.

[RichardMNixon]

And someone else said that Oars Sr. was a lot faster than Oars Jr? Oars Sr. was only fast because he had Luffy's shadow in it, and therefore all of Luffy's battle capabilities and techniques.

That's why I said "Luffy-Oars Sr."

I'm also really looking forward to Sengoku fighting. We've seen him as an admiral before so it's not like he got some kind of shoe in to the Fleet Admiral; I imagine he's every bit as powerful as the other three if not moreso.

Still waiting on Blackbeard as well...

Is the next cover also of Nami? The Chopper one said Final Volume whereas Nami's didn't.

[Yans86]

Just another little point.......Luffy-Oars Senior was a corpse..........he couldn't feel pain.....Oars junior is alive...so he does have felt a lot of pain actually...

Anyway,the little boy sure did a lot of huge damage, and I can't see WB backups yet(new world pirates)......
But also Jinbei's impact will be huge.....get ready for this ihihi

[k-dom]

2 covers like for every other I suppose

About the quick fight, I think it also shows that Oda did not forget he tries to get faster until the new world, maybe we won't see any long fight during this war.

For next chapter I suppose that we will have more spread about the vice admirals and the new world captains.
Now that every shichibukai has made its move, maybe we will see Luffy arrive, that should allow us to see what Smoker is doing.

[Seleno]

Poor Oars Junior. Reading the complete chapter was even sadder than just to know the spoilers <<
Boa's attack on the other hand was very impressiv and kinda funny xD

Prediction for the next Chap.:
Whitebeard will say something like "I should have know it, but he just didn't wanna listen to me."
Then Moria will say some words to the striked down Oars and perhaps some of the Marines will say something about Flamingo's strength. I hope Luffy will finally arrive there at this point of the fight seeing that even someone like Oars Jr. was trying to save Ace (he will definitely recognize him even if he's not the same one). The only question then would be how Luffy will find out bout the relationship between Oars Jr. and Ace.


For next chapter I suppose that we will have more spread about the vice admirals and the new world captains.
Now that every shichibukai has made its move, maybe we will see Luffy arrive, that should allow us to see what Smoker is doing.

Not only what Smoker is up to do when he see Luffy will be interesting. aybe there will be a whole chapter just showing the reactions of the people when Luffy arrives with his crew. xD

[Black Lagoon]

For the next chapter I guess that we'll back to see the fights which are already on going

[Zeltrax]

I'm still wondering if Oars Jr really perished
I mean, Oda doesn't kill the good guys right?

[Black Lagoon]

I'm still wondering if Oars Jr really perished
I mean, Oda doesn't kill the good guys right?

Now things are getting more serious, we must get used to this kind of situation, though I can't see him killing people.
but think of it, at the end he is gonna kill the main character, no he's killing him gradually by gear second...

[k-dom]

It seems they continue to mess with the cover story numbers. Why is Nami number 16, shouldn't she be 17 and Chopper 16 instead ? Usopp was 15.

[Akainu]

Choppers coverstory was totally messed up. there was no text about it being a short term cover serial, it was numbered with No.1 instead Vol.1 in the first of the two chapters ...so yeah, whoever got that mistaken really succeeded in doing so :DDD

Also thx to whoever pointed out that Nami was actually down on earth again ... seems like they are selling weather to some people :amuse

[gesgift]

Now things are getting more serious, we must get used to this kind of situation, though I can't see him killing people.
but think of it, at the end he is gonna kill the main character, no he's killing him gradually by gear second...

Seeing there is a war hapening, Oda doesn't have a lot of choice except to kill of people or not? Although at first impression I can't remember to much people have died during the civil war in Alabasta.

I think that in the next chapters, we actually might see characters die, and not only by Hancocks petrification!

[Black Lagoon]

Seeing there is a war hapening, Oda doesn't have a lot of choice except to kill of people or not? Although at first impression I can't remember to much people have died during the civil war in Alabasta.

I think that in the next chapters, we actually might see characters die, and not only by Hancocks petrification!

until now Hancock is the killer of one piece
she's the Jason (Friday 13) of One piece :p

[ScorpionGR]

next chapter if luffy is gonna show up ... for sure he is going to attack oars jr. because thinks is with moria ... The funny from all this is gonna be when oars jr. is going to free ace and be stopped from luffy ... lol ... Hancock when she see luffy she quit the matches and some others sichibukais gonna tell her the reason why she stopped to fight .... and maybe in the end hancock get attacked from some admiral .. i think akainu is gonna attack her and then we see luffy very very angry and he is going to use some new techniques another gear ??!?! and of course the most powerfull haki from all version ..


dammit i want to see brook in the next cover story .... and the girls showing panties to him

[Black Lagoon]

next chapter if luffy is gonna show up ... for sure he is going to attack oars jr. because thinks is with moria ... The funny from all this is gonna be when oars jr. is going to free ace and be stopped from luffy ... lol ... Hancock when she see luffy she quit the matches and some others sichibukais gonna tell her the reason why she stopped to fight .... and maybe in the end hancock get attacked from some admiral .. i think akainu is gonna attack her and then we see luffy very very angry and he is going to use some new techniques another gear ??!?! and of course the most powerfull haki from all version ..


dammit i want to see brook in the next cover story .... and the girls showing panties to him

Her heart will ... will :hearts, and She's gonna petrify everyone :tem

[Yabe]

Yeah, I think the reason why he was so happy about it was...what you said in the previous sentence. Being a gigantic, ogre monstrosity...I doubt Oars had known many people to be genuinely nice to him. I even doubt many people would have ever taken the time out to make him anything special or care for his well being (probably not even his father). Nearly everyone he ran across, more than likely, immediately feared him and headed the other way.

but Ace has that Luffy spirit. Instead of fearing Oars like everyone else, he treated him like a friend/human being..which must have been rare. That's why he was willing to go through the entire Military force to repay Ace.

A little cliche but yeah. I don't think it was a LOT of developmemnt but I think it was enough for a character that doesn't seem to be sticking around for very long.
That was a beautiful interpretion. I was also the one didn't feel into Oars' flashback and the cause of his strong devotion on Ace that much, I didn't think Oda made it that clear. It remotely moved me when he was abused awfully by Dofla and Moria, but you nailed it out pretty well in that post. Thanks.


and for the guy who is petrified on a part of his body only, if you see the panel before that one, he wasn't petrified partially when she unleashed the slave arrows therfore i concluded that she applied part of her devil fruit powers to her hand to hand combat as you can see he becomes petrified after receiving her kick which would be awesome if it is in fact true.
I had pretty much the same impression too. Good that Oda's having Hancock showed that hand-to-hand combat finally; because I'd had the thought that her DF ability was something to do with the inner feeling from her introduction... Now it looks more like that was just words to hype up the sound of her power, but the fact basically may be she can turn anything to stone regardless whether someone would be charmed by her or not, and to prevent that power of her you need to give yourselves the immediated physical pain like how Momonga did? And the reason that Luffy wasn't turned to stone confronting her power back then was simply because he's made of rubber? If so then I doubt she's able to tactlessly turn other logia DF users in this battle into stone easily as well, hence, much better fighting technic is required and expected from her here.

[deffkryz]

Prediction for next chapter



Since there are many points still open from my former predictions, I just have one minor one for the next chapter:

Ace's Haki/Haoushoku is going to explode, just like Luffy's when Sandersonia was about to crush the petrified Margaretto.

[Black Lagoon]

that way he can unleash himself as Rayleigh did

[chess4]

i dont think we will se luffy for a at least 5 0r 6 chapter. if luffy and the crew is shown, it will be only a snippet and it will shoe their reaction to ace being rogers son and buggy changing his mind about killing whitebeard

[Raijū]

that way he can unleash himself as Rayleigh did

We don't clearly know how Rayleigh freed himself, and if Ace was able to unleash himself it would be stupid to not do so sooner...


i dont think we will se luffy for a at least 5 0r 6 chapter. if luffy and the crew is shown, it will be only a snippet and it will shoe their reaction to ace being rogers son and buggy changing his mind about killing whitebeard

Luffy already told 'em about it (by accident...)

[Ero-Sanji]

I had pretty much the same impression too. Good that Oda's having Hancock showed that hand-to-hand combat finally; because I'd had the thought that her DF ability was something to do with the inner feeling from her introduction... Now it looks more like that was just words to hype up the sound of her power, but the fact basically may be she can turn anything to stone regardless whether someone would be charmed by her or not, and to prevent that power of her you need to give yourselves the immediated physical pain like how Momonga did? And the reason that Luffy wasn't turned to stone confronting her power back then was simply because he's made of rubber? If so then I doubt she's able to tactlessly turn other logia DF users in this battle into stone easily as well, hence, much better fighting technic is required and expected from her here.

I see your point and I agree and disagree. The mero mero merrow is only effective on somebody with dirty thoughts towards the user and Hancock who is regarded as the most beautiful woman in the world even making women affected is the most suited person for the fruit.

Now Luffy can also get affected but you have to guide him into thinking dirty, remember Alabasta when they peeked at Vivi and Nami?
Well, Luffy was there and he also got...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/213/19/

So why didn't he react the same way when he faced Hancock?
The answer is simple, he was thinking of other things than her naked body, at first he focused on the tattoo and when she fired the beam he got afraid of it, thinking it would be the Noro Noro beam. And yes I do think Luffy can become stone as well. He's just to stupid to realize such things...

As for her other abilities. Let's start with Pistol kiss.
When she fired it at Luffy, he thought it would bounce of like a bullet naturally would but it didn't because of its shape, so it impaled him instead. Now we don't know for sure but I think the pistol kiss is a lesser version of the Slave arrow.

Check them out:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/518/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/08-09/

Quite similar, no?
Anyways as I was saying the pistol kiss and the slave arrow has the same effects and that is turning the enemy into stone if he/she gets hit while thinking dirty thoughts of her. But this sort of attacks can get evaded or blocked. So the Mero Mero has an additional powers for just this circumstances and they are the Mero Mero Merrow and the perfume femur.

In other words the mero mero merrow can be used against logia types... But as we have seen in the manga the Logia type users are not the types to fall in love.

What about the Perfume femur?
We will have to see more, but what I do think is that this is the ability that has nothing to do with the enemies emotions/thoughts since the sword also broke apart.

[BlackHair]

My prediction for the next chapter: Moria gets control over Oars Jr. Seeing that someone will step in (maybe WB himself, tho it's too soon for him)

[Rotten The Wizard]

With Oars Jrs size.....Imagine he had a df, specifically a logia, SPECIFICALLY Ace's logia
Hell on Earth Incarnate


ps. I know that would be really unwise since he's so huge and its near impossible for him to stay completely out of the sea

[Sachsenhesse]

why logia? give him to gomu gomu no and then gear third... well that would be hell on earth... ^^

[Black Lagoon]

We don't clearly know how Rayleigh freed himself, and if Ace was able to unleash himself it would be stupid to not do so sooner...

:facepalm I guess you get me wrong, I meant the same way how Luffy used his Haki, he's just gonna discover it by the effect of anger... :tem

[Mr. Crocodile]

why do people think Ace has any type of haki? maybe he does but certainly not the king's haki..being the son of the PK is not enough proof..if he did why didn't he use it in his battle against smoker or blackbeard?

I personally dnt think he's got any.

[kkck]

why logia? give him to gomu gomu no and then gear third... well that would be hell on earth... ^^

You might as well have him combine hear two with gear three as luffy did in TB arc lol. All in all, giving someone like oars jr or even a giant a fruit is a hax in itself. The range and overall firepower the user would have is just incredible. Just imagine a giant/oars with any fruit seem so far an you get an instant hax..... I can already see it lol.


giant/oars with kizaru's fruit
giant/oars with akainu's fruit
giant/oars with aokiji's fruit
giant/oars with gum gum fruit(we already saw that one though)
giant/oars with mr 1/ jozu's fruit
giant/oars with fire fruit
giant/oars with buggy's fruit(way too awesome IMHO, this would be an absurd hax with someone who could use it properly)
giant/oars with leopard fruit

and so on.....

[Freakzin]

just wait a second, I read 4 pages to make sure I wouldn't repeat others thoughts. But didn't Moria with his Spear cut Oars in HALF??? I mean look at it, he just made his body in two, half waist up, half waist down. I can't how he would contribuite to the war with just his upper body, just arms and head bleeding to death from the cut below.

[Black Lagoon]

just wait a second, I read 4 pages to make sure I wouldn't repeat others thoughts. But didn't Moria with his Spear cut Oars in HALF??? I mean look at it, he just made his body in two, half waist up, half waist down. I can't how he would contribuite to the war with just his upper body, just arms and head bleeding to death from the cut below.

IMO he just passed through Oars's stomach

[gesgift]

Why would Moria be able to do that? I wonder if next chapter we'll see more of the SB, or the other pirate crews /VA's. Haki burst from Ace?

More awesome DF's? I'm still wondering about the one VA, who looks like Marsupilami...

[Black Lagoon]

Why would Moria be able to do that? I wonder if next chapter we'll see more of the SB, or the other pirate crews /VA's. Haki burst from Ace?

More awesome DF's? I'm still wondering about the one VA, who looks like Marsupilami...

DO what??
you mean this (Look at the big panel)
http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000219862/18-19.jpg

[Mythsoul]

hmmmmm about Oarz being controlled.....Moria needs a very powerfull shadow to do that.....and in the mist of battle.....how the hell is he gonna implant the shadow.....and as we saw with Oz......it takes time for the Zombie to obey Moria.....and I assume there has to be some sort of preparation done by the good doctor ....to the body......

kinda sucks that Oarz dies.....he seem like a cool dude......when Ace is rescued .....he's gonna be one pissed mofo........AND WHERE THE HELL IS LUFFY....TIME FOR HIM TO GET IN THE ACTION.........

and on another note....I do wanna see what abilities don Flamingo has...hmmm

[gesgift]

DO what??
you mean this (Look at the big panel)
http://media2.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000219862/18-19.jpg
I was referring to your previous post, with the suggestion of 'cutting Oars through the waist'?

Why did it look that for Luffy to get from one Gate of Justice to another to take only 2 minutes, but an eternity before he gets @ Marineford? Where are those big whalesharks when you need them anyway?!?

[Black Lagoon]

I was referring to your previous post, with the suggestion of 'cutting Oars through the waist'?

Why did it look that for Luffy to get from one Gate of Justice to another to take only 2 minutes, but an eternity before he gets @ Marineford? Where are those big whalesharks when you need them anyway?!?

everything's happening at the same time, by now Luffy should be right behind WB, and when we are to see him, Oda's gonna do a flashback of 2 minute, before he reach to WB... well, this is my opinion :tem

[Akainu]

Why did it look that for Luffy to get from one Gate of Justice to another to take only 2 minutes, but an eternity before he gets @ Marineford? Where are those big whalesharks when you need them anyway?!?
Maybe he's already there and we just don't see him.. k, that's hell of a unlikely thought because he's the protagonist, but they'd need to sneak in either way.
Also since from the one side there's the battle-field, maybe they'll be coming from the other side to get to Ace from the back?

As for the whalesharks, Jinbei already considered ID dangerous for them, I don't think he would call them there since he seems to be one of the few fishmen that values fishes to some extent.

[Lord Rayleigh]

just wait a second, I read 4 pages to make sure I wouldn't repeat others thoughts. But didn't Moria with his Spear cut Oars in HALF??? I mean look at it, he just made his body in two, half waist up, half waist down. I can't how he would contribuite to the war with just his upper body, just arms and head bleeding to death from the cut below.

First of all, you can see at the low tip of the spear the shadow that is coming from the bottom. So, it is very unlikely that Moria created a spear that he made slide from the left to the right to cut Oars in half.
Secondly, that is totally unlogical knowing the fact that Moria wants Oars'body. When he saw that Oars lost a feet because another one tried to beat him, he decided to finish him up to avoid any kind of others damages on the body of his future zombie.

[Zehahaha]

As for the whalesharks, Jinbei already considered ID dangerous for them, I don't think he would call them there since he seems to be one of the few fishmen that values fishes to some extent.

ID is dangerous for them because of the monsters, since ID is in Calm Belt, which is not the case for Marinford

[Akiyama]

I really like the back story between Oars and Ace. It shows that he has a brain and a heart unlike his ancestor (yes I know that the he was a zombie and frozen before you start talking :notrust) He almost made it to Ace but not close enough :crying, But in OP what doesn't kill you , makes you stronger. :D

[Akainu]

@ Zehaha: and the second they try to get Jinbei, Luffy, Ivankov and Ace out there, just to name a few, Aokiji does his ice age move and they are all fresh frozen fish. or boiled to death by Akainu.... Or one of the many other options present with so many strong fighters; it's war and that's imo too dangerous for them.

[Wowzers]

Maybe he's already there and we just don't see him.. k, that's hell of a unlikely thought because he's the protagonist, but they'd need to sneak in either way.
Also since from the one side there's the battle-field, maybe they'll be coming from the other side to get to Ace from the back?

He he... I can just picture a four page spread of the fighting area, with everyone and everything to scale and we have to do a search for Luffy, "Where's Waldo" style. :D

[beastboy]

well I think don flamingo has the power to control everything at molecular level, so he just splitted some of oz jr cells and cutted is leg..

[Black Lagoon]

Maybe he's already there and we just don't see him.. k, that's hell of a unlikely thought because he's the protagonist, but they'd need to sneak in either way.
Also since from the one side there's the battle-field, maybe they'll be coming from the other side to get to Ace from the back?

WTF !! XD good Idea, no one could expect this, and with WB's massive attack the Guardians are all summoned in the entrance...

[c0nflikt]

I really have no clue whats going to happen next, i hope ace does use haki, there are too many haki hypers and nay sayers. It would be neat if they collabed ace using haki, Luffy showing up and taking the shadow spear and absorbing the shadows again. it would be win all around.

[Tsukisama]

I agree with Akainu. When Hancock (or anybody else) slaughtered the nameless soldiers, did you feel any pity for them? I know I didn't. Just giving someone a name does a lot to boost their "importance" in the story. At the very least, it brings them closer to reality and makes us sympathize with them better.

At the same time Oda couldn't have let Oars Jr. have too much screentime. You may have wanted it to be less abrupt, but I feel that this brevity is crucial to what Oda wanted. He gave us just a glimpse into Ace's impact on the New World and its pirates; he left the rest of it to our imagination. If Oda had given Oars more screentime, and therefore more characterization, our window into Ace's life would have become enclosed by a frame, in a sense--dictated by Oda rather than left to our own imagination. He gave us just enough of a glimpse to get a sense of who Ace was, who Oars was, why his death was significant. If he had given us more of a window into Oars and Ace, Oda would have restricted our imagination--rather than feeling what we individually felt (ranging from nothing to sorrow for Oars)--we would feel what Oda felt. And that could potentially have "ruined" what he wanted to convey.

I'm not sure if anyone will actually understand my pseudo-Lit thing...

Did I feel pity for the nameless marine soldiers? No, but I don't think Oda was trying to get me to empathize with them either.

I understand what you are saying, and it actually doesn't contradict what I said in my post. My post was in response to earlier posts which called the time spent on Oars, Jr. in this chapter a waste of time. I stated why I thought it wasn't a waste of time, and I then offered a counterargument for balance as to why perhaps the readers who did not see the value of the page time spent on Oars, Jr. was necessary.

I also think that Oda did a great job on his handling of Oars, Jr., and the majority of my post presents that opinion.

[gesgift]

@ Zehaha: and the second they try to get Jinbei, Luffy, Ivankov and Ace out there, just to name a few, Aokiji does his ice age move and they are all fresh frozen fish. or boiled to death by Akainu.... Or one of the many other options present with so many strong fighters; it's war and that's imo too dangerous for them.

Oda is Japanese, i forgot. Japan is used to fish the oceans dry(forgot which species, but I remember the part where they cut of sharkfins for the soup), and maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to give the WG an excuse to go walehunting after the war because Jimbei sent them after (if he would ofcaors, this is al pure asumtion).

Maybe I'm stretching things to far...

[ScorpionGR]

i always reading haki and haki .... I don't think haki is so powerfull for strong people ... I mean luffy used king haki in amazon lily at arena and all in there got fainting because they were weak .... Kikyou was strong enough to withstand haki without fainting ... Haki is only for weak persons and is the way to fight with logias devil fruits until now that's only explanation and if ace gonna use hakki only the rookies gonna fall unconscious and maybe coby and Helmeppo but i don't think !!!!

[skydevilnooj]

HAKI is a lot stronger than u give it credit for...It does more than just make weak ppl faint...thats just a basic use of it to remain from fighting unnecessary battles...the other capabilities are:

Defense(repel physical attacks like Sandersonia did to Luffy's Gomu Gomu No Stamp) Also it can be used to predict an opponents movements and attacks, another use is Imbue objects such as normal arrows with haki to enhance the destructive force like the Kuja Pirates Arrows or Sentoumaru who Imbued himself with Haki to strengthen his attacks against Luffy...And it can DISABLE devil fruit users powers like Rayleigh did to Kizaru and Sentoumaru and the Gorgon Sisters did to Luffy...so HAKI is used only by those with strength and knowledge of the power and the Kuja are not weak...they view STRENGTH as beauty and the Kuja Pirates are a feared and powerful pirate crew and being that the whole Kuja Tribe can use Haki they all can take on a Logia Devil Fruit User in battle...Tell me how Usopp and Brook handled a Logia User like Kizaru oh wait they didn't cuz they couldn't even lay a finger on him... Also I doubt Ace can use Haki or his battle with Blackbeard would have been a lot different... He's a young, stubborn guy who relies on his Logia's intangible powers too much... his fight with Blackbeard has definitely wised him up

[chess4]

THIS IS OFF THE SUBJECT BUT.....................i think luffy will make it to ace 1st and will just about get him out of there when BB will show up and WB will sacrifice himself to save ace. luffy jinbei, inazuma, invankov and a fre other will retreat to SA to get luffy's ship and the other strawhats will met back there as well(with the help of the vivi cards) and then they will retreat to fishman island with the marines hot on their trail. a battle will take place with the strawhats all showing their new abilites, and a fishman will want to join. they will then head to the NW leaving jinbei behind to gather his cew back up. inazuma and invankov will take their leave and rendevous back bavk up with dragon.

ace will meet back up with the survivors of his crew and lead them the rest of the way. or maybe marco

[k-dom]

I think Oda will continue with the devil fruit powers before using Haki.
Until now they are sufficient to the fight . Haki will be used when the battle will need a power up.
Also I think that when Luffy will arrive, we will know who opened the gate

[chess4]

I think Oda will continue with the devil fruit powers before using Haki.
Until now they are sufficient to the fight . Haki will be used when the battle will need a power up.
Also I think that when Luffy will arrive, we will know who opened the gate


forgot about that. i have no idea who it could be. maybe its dadan

[RichardMNixon]

forgot about that. i have no idea who it could be. maybe its dadan

My impression was that Whitebeard's fleet was under him and pushed it open from below. The only problem would be in wondering where Luffy is now if the fleet already made it there.

Also, I don't think Flamingo magically controls 'stuff', I think it's just more like Legato Bluesummers and Millions Knives put together. 'Guy with mono-atomic wire' is an anime trope. It's probably a DF but it could even potentially be just a really special weapon.

[mr.danly]

My impression was that Whitebeard's fleet was under him and pushed it open from below. The only problem would be in wondering where Luffy is now if the fleet already made it there.

Also, I don't think Flamingo magically controls 'stuff', I think it's just more like Legato Bluesummers and Millions Knives put together. 'Guy with mono-atomic wire' is an anime trope. It's probably a DF but it could even potentially be just a really special weapon.

that's true..... but string-string fruit seems very liekly. Especially since almost all of the shikibukai have DF abilities. If it were just some kind of string-weapon then he probably couldn't control people; he would just slice right through all of them. Whereas if he had a string-string fruit he would probably have a variety of "strings" that he could use. He ALWAYS looks like a puppeteer with his finger-action going.

[DutchPhoenix]

ofc he has DF ability, its not like much strong people are in OP withoud df ability, thats extremely rare

[CP10]

Can't Wait to see how Luffy gonna show up

Awesome Chapter as always. To me Divisions in WB command are just like the division in Bleach. All the commanders in WB are in the same rank.

CAN"T WAIT FOR NEXT CHAPTER YOHOHOHHO!!!!

[Ykee]

Maybe he's already there and we just don't see him.. k, that's hell of a unlikely thought because he's the protagonist, but they'd need to sneak in either way.
Also since from the one side there's the battle-field, maybe they'll be coming from the other side to get to Ace from the back?

Well first of all I don't think much time passed since we last saw Luffy but more important I'm pretty sure that they WILL be coming from the other side of MF, why ?

Let's see a little comparison :

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9764/777lbq.jpg

Ok, the left one is from chapter 449 (bottom of the page):

http://media4.mangahelpers.com/download/manga-images/6438c27be537003d0cd1bbbba99a2df1/4a99cf6c/38829/8/8.png

And the one on the right is from 550 :

http://media4.mangahelpers.com/download/manga-images/441081d5490bbebf9238012fb0b3d433/4a99d2fb/43790/8/8.png

Now if you look at the poles spot AND at the front of both building, you can clearly see that there is no bay and that the poles in front are just beside the see on the left one whereas on the right one the poles in front are way back from the see.

Plus I don't see them coming from behind all the pirate ships with their battleship. I mean the pirates will be like "OMG WTF SINK THAT THING!".

In fact I can see Luffy climbing on the top of the main building with a clear and nice view of EVERYTHING and shooting something so that everybody will be like "Wtf ?!".

[Raijū]

I personnaly wanna know how Doflamingo was able to jump way over Oars with such ease.

[Shadoguardian]

This latest chapter was awesome. However I'm willing to bet that the Marines counter-attack begins now. The pirates have penetrated the bay area, so now any trump card they've been keeping until now, will be used. These would either be the senior vice-admirals, Garp alone, the Pacifista's, or Sengoku himself.

[KouYa Danni]

I'm guessing Rayleigh is the one who opened the gate for Luffy. Another group that would come in the coming fight would be Roger's friends other than Rayleigh.

Then will see how strong Roger's former team.

[FluffBall]

I personnaly wanna know how Doflamingo was able to jump way over Oars with such ease.


he could be like super athletic or something.......:tem

[Ero-Sanji]

I personnaly wanna know how Doflamingo was able to jump way over Oars with such ease.

That's a very good question but I who believes in the String String/Thread Thread man theory also believes he used his wires, but the question is on what?

I also think that Flamingo opened the gates believing that BB was the one coming. Yes, I do believe in an alliance between those men.

[Zeltrax]

555 is a good number.
Sorry, thats kindda random and off topic :D
anyway,
after quite some time, the only battle that is set
is kizaru vs marco.

This arc is also a trigger for one piece to develop "another protangist".
in the past, Ace has been somewhat of a supporting character, compared to the strawhats.
But after seeing his comrades dying and how much they sarcifaced for him,
Ace will be carrying those burdens and as of sengoku said,
"to make ace pirate king".
After this arc, everything in the world will change, Luffy obviously will play a big part and since Ace is quite the contrary of luffy. He's probably gonna take everything to himself, blaming himself for every sarciface .

[Shadoguardian]

This arc is also a trigger for one piece to develop "another protangist".
in the past, Ace has been somewhat of a supporting character, compared to the strawhats.
But after seeing his comrades dying and how much they sarcifaced for him,
Ace will be carrying those burdens and as of sengoku said,
"to make ace pirate king".
After this arc, everything in the world will change, Luffy obviously will play a big part and since Ace is quite the contrary of luffy. He's probably gonna take everything to himself, blaming himself for every sarciface .

Your sort of making it sound like a reverse Naruto situation, y'know?

[sage mode]

i always reading haki and haki .... I don't think haki is so powerfull for strong people ... I mean luffy used king haki in amazon lily at arena and all in there got fainting because they were weak .... Kikyou was strong enough to withstand haki without fainting ... Haki is only for weak persons and is the way to fight with logias devil fruits until now that's only explanation and if ace gonna use hakki only the rookies gonna fall unconscious and maybe coby and Helmeppo but i don't think !!!!

the sisters on amazon lilly said that luffy´s kings haki would be very dangerous if he can controll it.So its not only 4 weak people

[gesgift]

It would be fun if the pacifista's AND Kisaru all opened their mouths to shoot lasers. I don't know why, but I really want Kisaru to do that, instead of using his hands or legs....


I'm guessing Rayleigh is the one who opened the gate for Luffy. Another group that would come in the coming fight would be Roger's friends other than Rayleigh.

Then will see how strong Roger's former team.

Then we would have a bunch of very strong old people and WB's crew fighting the finest defenders of 'Justice'? Well, any former Nakama of Roger who survived until now, will probably feel obligated to intervene (EXCEPT maybe for Buggy...)

[elitefox]

This latest chapter was awesome. However I'm willing to bet that the Marines counter-attack begins now. The pirates have penetrated the bay area, so now any trump card they've been keeping until now, will be used. These would either be the senior vice-admirals, Garp alone, the Pacifista's, or Sengoku himself.

Its too soon for the prime power to be unleash, trumps can only be use once, that is to erase all of them or wb himself:blink
[hr]

It would be fun if the pacifista's AND Kisaru all opened their mouths to shoot lasers. I don't know why, but I really want Kisaru to do that, instead of using his hands or legs....



Then we would have a bunch of very strong old people and WB's crew fighting the finest defenders of 'Justice'? Well, any former Nakama of Roger who survived until now, will probably feel obligated to intervene (EXCEPT maybe for Buggy...)

haha yeah Buggy is an exception...

[zozo96]

At last, a chapter with decisive conclusion. That's why I love Oda so much. First, he left us in curiosity and thirst. After that, he bring us into an awesome paradise of great story-telling. What a stupendous chapter! This chapter show us at last how serious is the situation. It's about dead or alive!

Yes, we cannot confirm Oars' death, yet. But, the amputation is serious enough. it seems that Oda prefers amputating a character instead of killing him. I mean, he already 'amputated' Shanks, Honor Sef and now Oars Jr. I hope Oars Jr will survive.

Before this chapter, I didn't really like Boa. But, after I watch the latest chapters of the anime and her last actions here, I'm seriously in love with her.

[jinsomnia]

surely we'll get what kind of df doflamingo has next chapter. also, whitebeard crew will be pissed off and do something to counter this. looking at the situation, WB part doesn't look so bright eh? thats unless we're gonna have another major player next chapter..

[Romanov D Paul]

Indeed, the chapter was great. Little Oars Jr. just made his totally unexpected appearence and he's already my favourite character! Damn u Doflamingo for cutting off his lig, heaven' judgement will fall upon you! (when u need Enel he's nowwhere to be found). I know it will never happen, be it only for logistc reason, but I totally want him to join the SH crew, he even has his Strawhat! Ahahah! And likes it a lot too, seeing how his grandfather come back to life with luffy's shadow and how he prize his hat just like him makes me wander if they are distant blood related :D

[sh4dx]

personally i didn't feel anything about oars just the opposite.he was a good "chance" to show us the power of dofla & moria's new attacks that we didn't see back at TB.hope oars is dead,i mean it's a war, and it MUST end with some dead people from each side

[Black Lagoon]

I personnaly wanna know how Doflamingo was able to jump way over Oars with such ease.

might be able to fly, but not fly ... fly, same as Buggy or Miss Valentine (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/7/7e/MissValentineportait.png)

[BlackHair]

personally i didn't feel anything about oars just the opposite.he was a good "chance" to show us the power of dofla & moria's new attacks that we didn't see back at TB.hope oars is dead,i mean it's a war, and it MUST end with some dead people from each side
There will be deaths. But is is similar to the Alabasta War. There have been deaths too, but not named charackter. Oars is a named charackter, so he wont die.

[Yans86]

I'm guessing Rayleigh is the one who opened the gate for Luffy. Another group that would come in the coming fight would be Roger's friends other than Rayleigh.

Then will see how strong Roger's former team.

I really like it!!!!
Now that Ace is known Worldwide as Roger's only son what will Roger's formers team and friends do???!!!!
That was really a bad move from the WG,an honorable guy like Shanks won't let something like this to happen that easily....at the beginning he didn't knew that Ace was his former's captain son....just "Luffy's brother" and a skilled fighter but not enough strong to take on BB...the one that gave him the scar....but now he also knows that he is his former captain son.....

WG is screwed!!!!

[Black Lagoon]

personally i didn't feel anything about oars just the opposite.he was a good "chance" to show us the power of dofla & moria's new attacks that we didn't see back at TB.hope oars is dead,i mean it's a war, and it MUST end with some dead people from each side

Boa has killed so many now, well, some might stay alive but not for long, cuz a petrified body in a war is ... is ... obvious :p

[sh4dx]

There will be deaths. But is is similar to the Alabasta War. There have been deaths too, but not named charackter. Oars is a named charackter, so he wont die.

well, when i mean deaths i mean for named people..i know there aren't many chances for this to happen, but it would be a good "chance" to change this(i mean that no one dies in OP) cause when SH will enter the NW personally i find it strange if no one dies(ofc none of the main, but at least some side characters or the bad ones) and all this (TB arc zombies, now a cut leg) i see it like a "pre-message" that in the NW the series will be more "serious".

[Black Lagoon]

There will be deaths. But is is similar to the Alabasta War. There have been deaths too, but not named charackter. Oars is a named charackter, so he wont die.

Alabasta war was a minor war, a civil war, besides, who was fighting SH vs Baroque band?? it was as a fight between 2 bands. But this war is extreme and a real war, it might will contain a lot of epic moment, which means Named character are gonna die... IMO :tem

[Akainu]

might be able to fly, but not fly ... fly, same as Buggy or Miss Valentine (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/7/7e/MissValentineportait.png)
yes maybe, though a little more explaining would do, no?

Assuming that he has the power to create invisible strings and such I would guess he connected to Oars horns and swung himself up somehow.

Also deaths for major characters won't happen unless in flashbacks or not properly shown. You know Oda ;)

[sh4dx]

yes Oda never kills his characters, but think about it, when the SH enters at the NW a sea that the most evil,strong etc etc pirates are it would be strange if NOBODY(ofc not the main, but as i told before some side characters killed from the "bad guys" or even the bad guys as well) dies.And all this tb arc zombies, and now this cut leg makes me believe that is a "pre-message" that in the NW the "nobody-dies" will stop.

[sarutobi_sensei]

forgot about that. i have no idea who it could be. maybe its dadan

Who the hell is Dadan? That's been bothering me for a while :\ Dragon?

But my guess the ones that opened the gate are WB crew.


Well first of all I don't think much time passed since we last saw Luffy but more important I'm pretty sure that they WILL be coming from the other side of MF, why ?

Let's see a little comparison :

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9764/777lbq.jpg

Ok, the left one is from chapter 449 (bottom of the page):

http://media4.mangahelpers.com/download/manga-images/6438c27be537003d0cd1bbbba99a2df1/4a99cf6c/38829/8/8.png

And the one on the right is from 550 :

http://media4.mangahelpers.com/download/manga-images/441081d5490bbebf9238012fb0b3d433/4a99d2fb/43790/8/8.png

Now if you look at the poles spot AND at the front of both building, you can clearly see that there is no bay and that the poles in front are just beside the see on the left one whereas on the right one the poles in front are way back from the see.

Plus I don't see them coming from behind all the pirate ships with their battleship. I mean the pirates will be like "OMG WTF SINK THAT THING!".

In fact I can see Luffy climbing on the top of the main building with a clear and nice view of EVERYTHING and shooting something so that everybody will be like "Wtf ?!".

Can't see the pictures or what you posted on the spoiler tags.

But hmm, I guess that's just the image showing MarineFord from the Sky. But if that's it, then they're in for a great shock x)


I'm guessing Rayleigh is the one who opened the gate for Luffy. Another group that would come in the coming fight would be Roger's friends other than Rayleigh.

Then will see how strong Roger's former team.

That would be so AWESOME!


I really like it!!!!
Now that Ace is known Worldwide as Roger's only son what will Roger's formers team and friends do???!!!!
That was really a bad move from the WG,an honorable guy like Shanks won't let something like this to happen that easily....at the beginning he didn't knew that Ace was his former's captain son....just "Luffy's brother" and a skilled fighter but not enough strong to take on BB...the one that gave him the scar....but now he also knows that he is his former captain son.....

WG is screwed!!!!

Nope, they won't stay still, I so wanna see them all in there, Rayleigh, Shanks and all the others x) Even Crocus and Laboon could go there xD

[Black Lagoon]

yes maybe, though a little more explaining would do, no?

Assuming that he has the power to create invisible strings and such I would guess he connected to Oars horns and swung himself up somehow.

Also deaths for major characters won't happen unless in flashbacks or not properly shown. You know Oda ;)

Agree, same as the main reason of all what this story's about, the taper which lit the straw of pirates... (Roger)
I dunno if I expressed myself well :sweat

[Lord Rayleigh]

Who the hell is Dadan? That's been bothering me for a while :\ Dragon?
Luffy said he never met his dad and Dragon said that the time they will first meet will come soon. Besides, Dadan is a friend of Garp, not his son.
Thus, Dadan is not Dragon but probably an old important person like Garp linked to the WG/Marine/justice side.

[chess4]

just looking at the pirates vs the marines and the shichbukai, it seems like the pirates have an adavantage. im sure the WG has some type of trick up its sleeve.

cant wait til luffy and jinbei get their. this war is will be a seesaw battle. right now the pirates have a small adavantage, im sure the world government has something up their sleeve. when luffy and the crew show up the pirates will gain the edge again, but when BB shows up and take WB out the ball will be in the WG's court

SIDENOTE

does anyone think that cp9 will show up again in the new world? if so does anyone think that rob lucci will join BB
[hr]

Luffy said he never met his dad and Dragon said that the time they will first meet will come soon. Besides, Dadan is a friend of Garp, not his son.
Thus, Dadan is not Dragon but probably an old important person like Garp linked to the WG/Marine/justice side.

@sarutobi sensei

dadan is garps close friend and the one who help raise luffy and ace. he also taught them how to fight. whoopslap also knows who he is

[Ero-Sanji]

Since the last chapter was about the Shichibukai I have a question about Kumas power or perhaps Zoros speed.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/11/

Here you can clearly see that Kuma says that his pressure cannons can travel at the speed of light, so how was Zoro able to evade them?

Was it perhaps a miss in the translation?

[chess4]

Since the last chapter was about the Shichibukai I have a question about Kumas power or perhaps Zoros speed.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/11/

Here you can clearly see that Kuma says that his pressure cannons can travel at the speed of light, so how was Zoro able to evade them?

Was it perhaps a miss in the translation?

cpould be possible that he was holding back.

SIDENOTE

i forgot this...............in that link he said cyborg franky, tour power is just that. seems like at that moment he knew franky had to get stronger, and thus is why he sent him to vegapunks home island, as well as the other strawhats.

[BlackHair]

Since the last chapter was about the Shichibukai I have a question about Kumas power or perhaps Zoros speed.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/484/11/

Here you can clearly see that Kuma says that his pressure cannons can travel at the speed of light, so how was Zoro able to evade them?

Was it perhaps a miss in the translation?
"It uses air that travels at speed of light.." So the canon itself is not at speed of light.

[Black Lagoon]

Someone have to face WB in a one on one, I guess Sengoku, Grap or might be BB...
Akainu I think will fight against someone from Luffy's temporary crew


I do also expect him to be able to incorporate the knowledge of vegapunk past researches on him or even manipulate it to be more powerful. but still, that is past researches, he has to do a lot of work

I guess that he'll be the man who's gonna beat Kuma (if Kuma's definitely going against Luffy).

For the next chapter I think we're gonna see more about Kirazu vs Marco, Luffy might appear, well... at least no more add/introduction...

[sarutobi_sensei]

Luffy said he never met his dad and Dragon said that the time they will first meet will come soon. Besides, Dadan is a friend of Garp, not his son.
Thus, Dadan is not Dragon but probably an old important person like Garp linked to the WG/Marine/justice side.

Oh yeah right, forgot that. So Dadan's probably they're old Master or something. We've got yet another strong fighter to see (I think)


just looking at the pirates vs the marines and the shichbukai, it seems like the pirates have an adavantage. im sure the WG has some type of trick up its sleeve.

Sure they have, we still also need to see the Gourosei fight, my guess is that they're far more powerful than any of the marines (though they'll probably only fight when the Marines are completely eradicated or something like that)

cant wait til luffy and jinbei get their. this war is will be a seesaw battle. right now the pirates have a small adavantage, im sure the world government has something up their sleeve. when luffy and the crew show up the pirates will gain the edge again, but when BB shows up and take WB out the ball will be in the WG's court

Once they get there, the marines will be @ an even bigger disadvantage. Sure they they still have Smoker, Garp, Sengoku and many others, but damn, there's just too many people fighting against them.

Unless sometime on the next chapters we see the Marines using Ancient Weapons.

SIDENOTE

does anyone think that cp9 will show up again in the new world? if so does anyone think that rob lucci will join BB

Hmm, I bet that they could even appear on this war. This is a chance to take down the Marines that they once protected and turned they're backs on them.

@sarutobi sensei

dadan is garps close friend and the one who help raise luffy and ace. he also taught them how to fight. whoopslap also knows who he is

Yeah yeah I remember now, the president from Luffy's island also knows him.


cpould be possible that he was holding back.

SIDENOTE

i forgot this...............in that link he said cyborg franky, tour power is just that. seems like at that moment he knew franky had to get stronger, and thus is why he sent him to vegapunks home island, as well as the other strawhats.

He was probably holding back, Kuma has a part on this, he's probably one of the good guys x)

Yes he did, and that's what I think kuma did, send them to their destinations to make them stronger somehow.

[elitefox]

I guess that he'll be the man who's gonna beat Kuma (if Kuma's definitely going against Luffy).

For the next chapter I think we're gonna see more about Kirazu vs Marco, Luffy might appear, well... at least no more add/introduction...

but his df is really something... too imba for a paw paw hand lol, can do anything even transfer pain

[chess4]

Oh yeah right, forgot that. So Dadan's probably they're old Master or something. We've got yet another strong fighter to see (I think)



Yeah yeah I remember now, the president from Luffy's island also knows him.

He was probably holding back, Kuma has a part on this, he's probably one of the good guys x)

Yes he did, and that's what I think kuma did, send them to their destinations to make them stronger somehow.

his name is whoopslap. kuma is a strange character. maybe dragon saved him a long time ago and on the verge of death dragon took him to vega punk, who knows. i agree kuma did send them to where they needed to go.

[Akainu]

Please don't carry the discussion off topic with posts about the Strawhats, Nami excepted.thx
edit: moved the whole string here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42574)

[Black Lagoon]

Does anybody think/expect from Oda to leap in the events?? and then gives some flashback gradually about what happened??

[BlackHair]

Actually I was expecting the whole war in flashbacks or just the winner to be announced. I wasn't really expecting a detailed drawn battle. But since we were shown this much, I don't expect the rest in flashback or any like.

[Bigall]

Hope you can see them now Raysen? :amuse

Also his abbility looks more and more like strings/piano wires used in more than one way, puppeteering and cutting to be exact. (Could be Ito Ito no Mi in the end)

Good call, that must be is ability. But does he need to be fruit user to have that power? I mean using strings to cut and control persons can be obtain by trainning, kind of like a ninja or something... I wonder...

[Black Lagoon]

Actually I was expecting the whole war in flashbacks or just the winner to be announced. I wasn't really expecting a detailed drawn battle. But since we were shown this much, I don't expect the rest in flashback or any like.

who knows?? It isn't late yet, we saw only the beginning and the abilities of the strongest characters... it isn't Oda's style but we have to consider any possibility, even if it's a bit unlikely :tem

[c0nflikt]

I'm thoroughly enjoying the war, i hope next chapter luffy shows up. I totally hate doflamingo and oda has done a good job of making him hated. But i cannot wait till the SHs get back together.

[k-dom]

I wonder if Oda will be able to make a volume with almost only double spreads. Since volume 57 will probably start with chapter 553 that could be possible :-)

[chess4]

I'm thoroughly enjoying the war, i hope next chapter luffy shows up. I totally hate doflamingo and oda has done a good job of making him hated. But i cannot wait till the SHs get back together.

i think it will be a long time before luffy shows up because he will take away from the new world pirates that has be introduced. plus i think luffy will not show up until the new world pirates are at a disavantage

[sarutobi_sensei]

his name is whoopslap. kuma is a strange character. maybe dragon saved him a long time ago and on the verge of death dragon took him to vega punk, who knows. i agree kuma did send them to where they needed to go.
Yeah yeah I know, I noticed that you were refering to him x)

Kuma is one of the ??? factors of OP XD My guess his true self will only be revealed near the end or something x)

He sure did x)


Does anybody think/expect from Oda to leap in the events?? and then gives some flashback gradually about what happened??

I'd hate that, imagine: Luffy gets there and the chapter ends.

Then we have like 10 chapters of flashbacks and story telling with people appearing on the middle of those chapters, damn I'd sure hate that :\

Of course Ga-Rei 0 was kinda like that, but I liked that one x) but I'd hate it on OP.


who knows?? It isn't late yet, we saw only the beginning and the abilities of the strongest characters... it isn't Oda's style but we have to consider any possibility, even if it's a bit unlikely :tem

still I'd hate it :\


i think it will be a long time before luffy shows up because he will take away from the new world pirates that has be introduced. plus i think luffy will not show up until the new world pirates are at a disavantage

I don't think so. Next week or possibly the week after we should see Luffy getting there or we should see them seeing the island and saying: Ace wait for me, I'm getting there, and Croc saying: the time is almost coming or something, and buggy: omgz this is it, I'm about to be crowned the Pirate King, while iva-chan says: now where is dragon? XD

the different reactions they have are gonna be great x)

[Gimbo TJ]

hmm I didnt know that hancock could petrify objects too.. I thought that her df powers where limited to humans only.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c555/5.html

[Lord Rayleigh]

while iva-chan says: now where is dragon? XD
Luffy already told Iva that Ace was not Dragon'son and Sengoku confirmed it officially. So, for him the chance that Dragon shown came back to what it was before he learnt about the relationship between Ace and Dragon. When he was in ID and did not think Luffy and Ace were Dragon'sons, he said he would stay in LVL 5.5 waiting for Dragon to act and thus he could not help Luffy in his quest. That means, he did not think that Dragon would show for the war. Then, knowing that the relation with Ace does not exist actually, Iva does not expect Dragon to show anymore.

[Raijū]

Doflamingo's ability to make invisible string seem to be a good idea but in the same looking at this (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v55/c555/10.html) image, Oars' expression feel like his leg just "disappeared". Even more, if his leg was really cut she shoulda stay on ground, not starting floating in mid hair.
I personally think is df ability allow him to possess, own what he want. That would match with the fact that he used to own a slave trade center.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Luffy already told Iva that Ace was not Dragon'son and Sengoku confirmed it officially. So, for him the chance that Dragon shown came back to what it was before he learnt about the relationship between Ace and Dragon. When he was in ID and did not think Luffy and Ace were Dragon'sons, he said he would stay in LVL 5.5 waiting for Dragon to act and thus he could not help Luffy in his quest. That means, he did not think that Dragon would show for the war. Then, knowing that the relation with Ace does not exist actually, Iva does not expect Dragon to show anymore.

Hmm, I guess you're right, but then again, Dragon could probably appear. @ Least I'd like all the great fighters to appear x)