Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 12 and 13 Discussion/Predictions

[Atobe the king]

Raw is out..discuss

Man i hate this chapter set...not bad it's just that they set us up for epicness next month...Blanka VS Blanka and Koshimae VS Kazuya looks sounds about right...

Oh..and since Kazuya is lefty he's going to be awesome.

[Bowser]

Where is it :p I cant find it...?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Where is it :p I cant find it...?
http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/51358
Just finished downloading. Now I'm gonna finish watching Power Rangers RPM(DON'T LAUGH. IT'S AWESOME.) and read the raw.

[javimgol]

I think 14 and 15 will be focused in Koshimae and Kintaroh's match.
My bet? Rookies are totally owned. It would be very sad if those kids are just the best non-professional players of Japan, and, as I said in another post, we need a Ryoma's defeat

And well, next month we'd have Tachibana - Kadowaki (Kippei deserves to win 7-0), Kabaji VS Jirou (go Jirou, go!), and maybe, if Konomi wants to finish the matches, Chinen-Tanishi (I bet for Fatty),Amane VS Kurobane (I expect another joking match), Rin VS ?, Sengoku VS ?. There are no great duels, so it can be completed with just a few panels each one.

We'll have to wait for the Tooyama - Chitose, I'd really want to see that match.

One thing: is the conclusion of the Bunta VS Jackal in the chapter of this month?

[Sherlock Holmes]

I really want to know what Mizuki said after he won his match. This month's chapters were nothing special though...Could have been better, I suppose.

[Bowser]

Whats the point in having Ryoma losing? Sure, we dont expect him to spam Teni Muhou, which supposedly the thing Nanjiroh had that kept him winning but Echizen is the main character, we won't see him lose (I hope). End of.

For a monthly chapter it was nothing special, I agree. Do you still own the internet ><

[Freecs]

I can't discuss de topic because I don't understand Japanese... but the images and the last mini spoiler were interesting...

I hope that somebody translate the RAW to English... and I'am waiting for the next month issue...

Whats the point in having Ryoma losing? Sure, we dont expect him to spam Teni Muhou, which supposedly the thing Nanjiroh had that kept him winning but Echizen is the main character, we won't see him lose (I hope). End of.

For a monthly chapter it was nothing special, I agree. Do you still own the internet ><

maybe he will show another technique...

Cheers!

[Sai_the_Shaman]

I'll have a translation out later on along with a better raw and such...just dont know my timeline ^^;;

I'll try to get chapter 12 out tonight at the very least

[Freecs]

I'll have a translation out later on along with a better raw and such...just dont know my timeline ^^;;

I'll try to get chapter 12 out tonight at the very least

Man, that would be nice.. I really want to translate English to Spanish... and I'm a big fan of u... u are always the first in translate NPOT... u Rox..

Well... Cheers!! and I'll wait ur translation!!

[Sea Dragon]

Thanks Sai, can't wait for the translation! Heh heh... looks like Oni and Kazuya could easily return Echizen's Samurai Drive, judging by their rally. How do we know that it's Kazuya vs. Echizen and Oni vs. Kintaro?

[Sai_the_Shaman]

Chapter 12 is translated and a better raw is uploaded (from a while before). Enjoy XD

I'll start on 13 in a bit and may finish it before heading to bed.
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13 tl and MQ/HQ raw is out now

[Sherlock Holmes]

Thanks for the translation Sai!

I'm sticking to my theory that Mizuki won by poisoning Inui.

So, Zaizen REFUSED to come to the camp? Interesting...Hope he joins it though.
I think Renji resigned because Inui lost and he wanted to hang out with him. Nice chapters, I wouldn't mind them at all if the series was still weekly, but since it's monthly I kind of wanted some development to happen. Would it kill to give us one page of Sanada, for example?

[Bowser]

Why is it annoying :O? Dang it, that still makes his skills unknown apart from his reputation. Echizen v Minami huh? That means Momo is defo playing Sengoku...?


Would it kill to give us one page of Sanada, for example?
Yes, Konomi is trying to make us forget about him and then suddenly reintroduce him to surprise us...


I think Renji resigned because Inui lost and he wanted to hang out with him.
I dont really have a reason to say why he resigned, but damn ,he was owning!

Mizuki damnit, "What a beautiful win?" hahaha...I was thinking that too Sherlock! Love how Renji says how pitiful...I sure hope the high schoolers dont reject their offers for playing :S

[Sai_the_Shaman]

It wouldn't surprise me if they did decline the match since they were the ones to stop the original terrible high school players from continuing to challenge the middle schoolers. I can somewhat see Tokugawa be like "Wait for the Shuffle Matches" or something.

I really hope Zaizen ends up staying cause I really want to see what his play style is.

We never got to see the end of the Jackal/Marui match up. It makes me wonder if they played at all.....
Then again, they never show us the results for that actual set.....Ryoma was a no show, but they didn't cross his name out.

Jackal and Bunta may have walked off the court....(they leave it kinda ambiguous)......or are possibly still playing.....

Koharu vs Gin never shows Koharu's name being crossed out (granted its implied Gin won).

Well there are only 8 matches left (7 is you assume Ryoma was made to forfeit his lol). Kintarou's is next, but he's gonna no show either. Out of the rest, I think no one really cares about the characters and Konomi might just show the results.

There was an interesting suggestion on 2ch about how these matches are really just to divide the middle schoolers in seperate groups in reality. So the Winners will form their own training team and the losers will form their own.

[Sherlock Holmes]

There was an interesting suggestion on 2ch about how these matches are really just to divide the middle schoolers in seperate groups in reality. So the Winners will form their own training team and the losers will form their own.
If that's the case, Renji resigning(to be in the same team as Inui) makes a lot of sense.

[Ravsieg]

That'd be nice, but then again Sanada would be out of place.

[Atobe the king]

HOLY SHIT!

Gins' Hadokyou according to Koharu is 218 KM/h...thats 135 miles...when a player cracks 180 k/m or 115 mph that usually a deadly shot..only two players hit about 120 mph (agassi and monfils i think) that's incredible..

PoT> Real life yet again

SO it's revealed that Akutsu took Banda's offer and trained abroad..i'd like to see what kind of beastly tennis he has come up with..and he wants revenge against Koshimae

[Bowser]

Wait when was he offered by Banda o.O? Chapter please?

Dang, its only it's only lvl 7 as well! What the hell is Lvl 108 then , and even better, what about the Daisharin Yama Arashi?

[kobashi]

Chapter 116.

[javimgol]

I'd personally love the idea of two groups. In the "losers" there are several very interesting characters (Sanada, Nioh,Ibu, Renji, and I personally liked a lot the doubles masters Shishido and Oishi).

And if Ryoma has forfeited, and he is with the losers (maybe with Kintaroh, too), the level would be really similar:

Winners: Yukimira, Tezuka, Atobe, Fuji, Shiraishi and Chitose/Kintaroh. The others are good people like Yagyyu, Akutsu, Gin, Akaya, Kite...

Losers: Ryoma, Kintaroh/Chitose, Sanada, Nioh, Renji. Well, the rest aren´t at the level of the "middle class" of the winners, but they have the PoP boy and, IMAO, the next'll get it, Toyama Kintaroh

[KuwabaraTheMan]

That's certainly an interesting theory. It would definitely hold water if Ryoma and Kintarou are forced to forfeit by not being present. It'd all be like the first chapter of the original series, when Ryoma lost due to showing up late to his match. :p

I wonder, since Akutsu was training overseas, maybe one of the foreign teams will be coached by whoever trained him, or have people on it he knows. It would be an interesting way to keep him relevant.

[Ravsieg]

Indeed I don't get it. Mizuki got a win automatically because Inui couldn't play already, why didn't Minami?
There shouldn't be that much of a difference between shouting from the toilet that you were late, and not being there at all. Main character treatment hoping we don't notice, meh.

[Atobe the king]

Well he just happens to be late..Inui flat out defaulted..

Also Kirihara is like the first character to destroy a racket right?

[Ravsieg]

If you mean intentional, then yeah. Koshimae broke his against Ibu. It's fitting to be Kirihara.

[Sea Dragon]

I'm under the impression that Oni and Kazuya are going to decline Echizen's and Kintaro's challenges. They were the ones that stopped the high schoolers from challenging more of the middle schoolers, saying that it was kind of stupid to test the opponent's strength like that or something, right? Plus, I think Oni and Kazuya are a bit too cocky to accept challenges from under-five-feet-tall middle school 7th graders. But who knows...

I also find it a bit interesting that Echizen and Kintaro are both planning to play a match with a need to go use the toilet nagging at them. I would never do that, lol.

[Ravsieg]

Their passion for tennis is so immense that they're probably thrilled enough for their intestines to stop working, lol.

[kobashi]

If you look very carefully on the left side of chapter 13 page 4, you can see Higa's Hirakoba sitting next to who looks like Yamabuki's Higashikata. So I think the rest of the matches will be Hirakoba vs. Higashikata and Momo vs. Sengoku (they are standing next to each other on page 3).

[Ravsieg]

If you look very carefully on the left side of chapter 13 page 4, you can see Higa's Hirakoba sitting next to who looks like Yamabuki's Higashikata. So I think the rest of the matches will be Hirakoba vs. Higashikata and Momo vs. Sengoku (they are standing next to each other on page 3).

That's correct. Higashikata was so hidden I had noticed Hirakoba and Krauser on the other side, but not him.

[Bowser]

Wait if thats so, the Jimmies were pretty smart and didn't fall for the "we play in doubles" trick.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I had counted out Higashitaka since Minami was matched up with Ryoma, but I guess their combination is better than we thought.

And man, that's pretty harsh. Yamabuki gets twice as many members there as Rokkaku? Poor Saeki.

[javimgol]

Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I had counted out Higashitaka since Minami was matched up with Ryoma, but I guess their combination is better than we thought.

And man, that's pretty harsh. Yamabuki gets twice as many members there as Rokkaku? Poor Saeki.

Poor Saeki? Maybe the only man in Prince of tennis with no special abilities (except being Fuji's friend and very popular for fangirls), shots and a character that had lost all of his singles matches (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52418)?
Minami-Higashikata was stated to be a National level doubles, so it's fair to have them.And Akutsu and Sengoku deserved screentime

Mmm, Sengoku VS Momo Round 2, as several of you predicted. Sounds good, but compared to the Kazuya-Oni-Koshimae-Kintaroh it's nothing...XD

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Poor Saeki? Maybe the only man in Prince of tennis with no special abilities (except being Fuji's friend and very popular for fangirls), shots and a character that had lost all of his singles matches (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52418)?
Minami-Higashikata was stated to be a National level doubles, so it's fair to have them.And Akutsu and Sengoku deserved screentime

Mmm, Sengoku VS Momo Round 2, as several of you predicted. Sounds good, but compared to the Kazuya-Oni-Koshimae-Kintaroh it's nothing...XD

Yeah, but I meant from the perspective that Saeki was so hyped up and was then so disappointing. He lost his chance at redemption. Rokkaku just always seems to get the short end of the stick.

I completely agree about Minami and Higashitaka being deserving, I'll give no argument there.

[Fayte]

Guys lets give it up for Kadowaki and Richard for being invited!

*clap....clap....clap.... silence*

[Bowser]

Yay.

Most the people who got invited are just more well known players. I mean the Jimmies lost to some unknown pair from Nagoya and they got replaced by foreigners. None of them made it to the camp. Why the hell did St Rudolph even make it to the camp when they couldnt make it to Kantou is a good question.

[Fayte]

Yay.

Most the people who got invited are just more well known players. I mean the Jimmies lost to some unknown pair from Nagoya and they got replaced by foreigners. None of them made it to the camp. Why the hell did St Rudolph even make it to the camp when they couldnt make it to Kantou is a good question.

Dude Mizuki is no effin joke. He'll poison ya juice.

[Bowser]

I don't make Inui juice :S

Remember one of those Afterschool manga where Mizuki makes "Inui Juice" good tasting juice? And then Akazawa says if its good Inui Juice it isnt Inui Juice? :D

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Yay.

Most the people who got invited are just more well known players. I mean the Jimmies lost to some unknown pair from Nagoya and they got replaced by foreigners. None of them made it to the camp. Why the hell did St Rudolph even make it to the camp when they couldnt make it to Kantou is a good question.

Well, St. Rudolph missed out on Kantou, but keep in mind that they come from the strongest Prefecture in the country; having to play against both Seigaku and Hyoutei is no joke. I would take St. Rudolph above Midoriyama, even though the latter made it all the way to the Nationals.

[javimgol]

Dude Mizuki is no effin joke. He'll poison ya juice.

And Mizuki was beaten only by people like Fuji and Atobe. I think he's a good player, better than middle class like almost the whole Rokkaku or even a few Hyotei's (Hiyoshi, Gakutoh or even, in singles, Shishido or Choutaroh). Data tennis seems to be really useful (look to Yanagi and Inui, they are maybe the third and the fourth best players of the two most powerful teams)
And it's nice to see your comments again, Fayte, where have you been?

[Fayte]

And Mizuki was beaten only by people like Fuji and Atobe. I think he's a good player, better than middle class like almost the whole Rokkaku or even a few Hyotei's (Hiyoshi, Gakutoh or even, in singles, Shishido or Choutaroh). Data tennis seems to be really useful (look to Yanagi and Inui, they are maybe the third and the fourth best players of the two most powerful teams)
And it's nice to see your comments again, Fayte, where have you been?

Yeah, Mizuki is a character I thought was pretty good. Just bad luck.


And Sai banned me for a month because I used a Chinese scan.

[Atobe the king]

Back on topic guys...you're not actually supposed to discuss things like that (members being banned or the reasons for example)

[Ravsieg]

Indeed. On FTST Mizuki is actually pretty good. Above-average.

[Atobe the king]

I never played with him too much...but i gave his special serve to kaido..it was very fitting.

[Ravsieg]

I played as him just to wipe the floor around, and ask my opponent for a free serve on his service game. That was pure gold.

By the way.

From FET:


Doubles 1
Minami Kentarou
Higashikata Masami
4-6
Katou
Isogai

The Jimis lost their doubles to the Japanese Nagoya Seitoku players. So tell me why they should be on the camp rather than them. Don't tell me it's because of their individual skills. Their doubles skill is what makes them ... unique... and still, they lost at doubles to nobodies. They suck, plain and simple.

[javimgol]

I played as him just to wipe the floor around, and ask my opponent for a free serve on his service game. That was pure gold.

By the way.

From FET:



The Jimis lost their doubles to the Japanese Nagoya Seitoku players. So tell me why they should be on the camp rather than them. Don't tell me it's because of their individual skills. Their doubles skill is what makes them ... unique... and still, they lost at doubles to nobodies. They suck, plain and simple.

And they weren´t the best pair of Nagoya, remember than Japan players were supposed to be worse than the Europeans guys of the Semifinal...

Well, the Jimmis were stated to be National Level Doubles. And they lost only 6-4. It's the only explanation. And it would be very weird if Nagoya's National players appear in the Tournament, after no screentime and been substituted in SFs.

The conclusion is that the next best doubles after the ones of Seigaku, Hyotei and Rikkai should be Jimmis. And they are supposed to be better than other doubles pair who played in the Nationals, like Funny Pair (because Hitouji isn´t in the camp), Higa's Doubles 1, Rokkaku's Saeki & Itsuki...

[Ravsieg]

That's my point, there's no little evidence that shows the Jimis are better than the others. Much to the opposite. So, they're weaker than both Nagoya's Japs and foreigners.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Well, they might have been invited because they had a much better reputation. The Jimmies are famous as a top level doubles pair, even more so than the Golden Pair was, so that could be an explanation. From an in universe perspective, Nagoya definitely got the short end of the stick, though. They were one of the Top 4 teams, and only get a single member of their team invited.

[Fayte]

Nagoya definitely got the short end of the stick, though. They were one of the Top 4 teams, and only get a single member of their team invited.

Like I've said many times, Krauser was the only talented person. Everyone else had to be mediocre. Here is what we know,

-Jackal, Bunta, and Yagyuu just threw in the towel without trying.
-Kirihara put all his effort into it.
-Renji and Niou rolled kids
-Sanada sent singles home crying

So if doubles 1 and singles 1 were destroyed on Nagoya, we have to assume doubles 2 and singles 3 would have been owned if Rikkaidai didn't throw the matches away.

That leaves Krauser being the only one who can put up a real fight, therefore making it accurate to have only him in the camp.

[javimgol]

Like I've said many times, Krauser was the only talented person. Everyone else had to be mediocre. Here is what we know,

-Jackal, Bunta, and Yagyuu just threw in the towel without trying.
-Kirihara put all his effort into it.
-Renji and Niou rolled kids
-Sanada sent singles home crying

So if doubles 1 and singles 1 were destroyed on Nagoya, we have to assume doubles 2 and singles 3 would have been owned if Rikkaidai didn't throw the matches away.

That leaves Krauser being the only one who can put up a real fight, therefore making it accurate to have only him in the camp.

It's obvious that Rikkai>>>>>Nagoya.
But we don´t know if Nagoya's level is similar to Hyotei-Shitenhouji, Fudoumine-Higa or Yamabuki-Rokkaku-etc. If they reached Nationals SFs, they can not be so bad

[Avi]

What do you guys think of the opponent Ryoma was supposed to face? For someone with a "Simple Look" he's most likely top tier, neh?

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Like I've said many times, Krauser was the only talented person. Everyone else had to be mediocre. Here is what we know,

-Jackal, Bunta, and Yagyuu just threw in the towel without trying.
-Kirihara put all his effort into it.
-Renji and Niou rolled kids
-Sanada sent singles home crying

So if doubles 1 and singles 1 were destroyed on Nagoya, we have to assume doubles 2 and singles 3 would have been owned if Rikkaidai didn't throw the matches away.

That leaves Krauser being the only one who can put up a real fight, therefore making it accurate to have only him in the camp.

Did you miss the point about how a Nagoya doubles pair beat Minami and Higashitaka, though? That was the point. Why were they invited over players from Nagoya? It would make no sense for the replacement players to be weaker than the team that beat Yamabuki, so they must have a doubles pair that is better than that.

[Fayte]

Why were they invited over players from Nagoya? It would make no sense for the replacement players to be weaker than the team that beat Yamabuki, so they must have a doubles pair that is better than that.

Easy, because we have no idea who Nagoya even is. Naturally Konomi will roll with someone he has shown before.


What do you guys think of the opponent Ryoma was supposed to face? For someone with a "Simple Look" he's most likely top tier, neh?

Kazuya is from court 1, so yes.

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Easy, because we have no idea who Nagoya even is. Naturally Konomi will roll with someone he has shown before.

Well, yeah. That's the out of universe explanation. I just wonder what the reason in universe was for them snubbing a semi-finalist. I'd guess maybe it's just partly based on reputation.

[Fayte]

Well, yeah. That's the out of universe explanation. I just wonder what the reason in universe was for them snubbing a semi-finalist. I'd guess maybe it's just partly based on reputation.

I believe it was stated that Konomi actually thought of introducing Nagoya to be a new team that beats Rikkaidai, but then changed his mind and stuck with Rikkai being the finals. I'm glad he did because that would have been a load of crap. Again, which is why Rikkaidai should have WON in Kantou..

[kangclaw]

Shin POT is really good, its one of my favourite mangas. I also liked seeing Rikkaidai in the National Finals.


Whats the point in having Ryoma losing? Sure, we dont expect him to spam Teni Muhou, which supposedly the thing Nanjiroh had that kept him winning but Echizen is the main character, we won't see him lose (I hope). End of.
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I would not want to see my favourite character loosing. The main character does not have to loose for the story to be good. Echizen only lost to Tezuka, not including his dad; and the story turned out good.

Note: I am not saying that: if he looses that the story will be bad either, just that i don't want to see him loose.

We haven't really seen Echizen and Kintaro play seriously yet in the manga. I think that the mangaka may show us their current level by allowing them to play against these opponents. He is showing them together because Kintarou is his true rival. Also there are the 20 first string members. I am assuming that they are better than the second string string team, which includes this Kazuya guy?

Unless this Kazuya is temporarily in the second string team due to some reason?


I'd personally love the idea of two groups. In the "losers" there are several very interesting characters (Sanada, Nioh,Ibu, Renji, and I personally liked a lot the doubles masters Shishido and Oishi).

And if Ryoma has forfeited, and he is with the losers (maybe with Kintaroh, too), the level would be really similar:

Winners: Yukimira, Tezuka, Atobe, Fuji, Shiraishi and Chitose/Kintaroh. The others are good people like Yagyyu, Akutsu, Gin, Akaya, Kite...

Losers: Ryoma, Kintaroh/Chitose, Sanada, Nioh, Renji. Well, the rest aren´t at the level of the "middle class" of the winners, but they have the PoP boy and, IMAO, the next'll get it, Toyama Kintaroh

True Echizen and Kintaro are part of the losers because of they defaulted? LOL

I assumed that Teams were invited not individuals?

I am getting to like this Krauser guy from Nagoya, I like how his opponents end up stuck to some fence; he must be powerful.

Could it not be, that from Nagoya only one was able to come as all of them were foreign students? They could have had prior arrangements?

I can't wait for the next couple of chapters. I want to see how Echizen and Kintarou will do against their respective opponents.

[jrodrick4]

http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/51358
Just finished downloading.

Thanks for the information...!!:)

[Sherlock Holmes]

Anyone has any idea when the spoilers should start to appear?