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Yabe
September 17, 2009, 12:01 PM
If you haven't seen the goodies yet, you can check them out in the Spoiler Pics & Summaries (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1576232#post1576232) thread. This is where you can discuss all about them. But remember no spamming.

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Chapter can be found here (http://mangahelpers.com/m/one-piece/chapters/558)

dragonballz66
September 22, 2009, 05:16 AM
The spoiler's out. Something about a grave miscalculation. Luffy tried to rescue Ace and was stop by Kizaru.

sarutobi_sensei
September 22, 2009, 05:16 AM
It says something about the bears miscalculation, so I take it it's Kuma's miscalculation.

The island shakes.

Marco is mentioned

2 are backing up luffy and whitebeard

Iva's also mentioned.

gesgift
September 22, 2009, 05:33 AM
very curious about more details, but thanks for the info :D

TwEeD
September 22, 2009, 06:04 AM
Hehe I thought I'd try to google translate the spoiler and it came out hilarious :D

Seems it's going to be an interesting chapter with some interaction between luffy, marco & Ivan, can't wait!

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 06:06 AM
Hmmn id say that kuma sent him and the rest flying to keep them from disturbing the meeting but i have no idea why he would send them to islands which would help them all progress. ALso why would he send them flying when kizaru clearly had them beaten??? Something does not add up about that kuma im telling u.

We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation. I mean seriously he is learning to control it better and the way luffy learns best is through fights, the more he fights the stronger he becomes the more hell learn to control this new "power". My guess is that he will fight with an admiral soo will marco and maybe whitebeard. Before you all say WHY WHITEBEARD FIGHTING AN ADMIRAL I do not believe that sengoku is ALL THAT ... seriously hes a tactitioner he doesnt have to be "strong" to lead the Marines (some relevent strength but not overpowering the admirals, would not take my word or this but i could be graverly wrong).

MagneticMonkey
September 22, 2009, 06:15 AM
We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation. I mean seriously he is learning to control it better and the way luffy learns best is through fights, the more he fights the stronger he becomes the more hell learn to control this new "power".
Seriously he hasn't displayed any kind of control over his "willpower". He isn't even aware of it.



My guess is that he will fight with an admiral
So you wish that luffy dies? Cause how can he fight an admiral if he isn't aware of his "willpower" abilities? An uncontrolled "willpower" wave wouldn't knock an admiral you know... And even someone as experienced as rayleigh had trouble against kizaru.



soo will marco and maybe whitebeard. Before you all say WHY WHITEBEARD FIGHTING AN ADMIRAL I do not believe that sengoku is ALL THAT ... seriously hes a tactitioner he doesnt have to be "strong" to lead the Marines (some relevent strength but not overpowering the admirals, would not take my word or this but i could be graverly wrong).
Sengoku has been an admiral before he got his current position.

Me2Ecchi
September 22, 2009, 06:24 AM
Seriously he hasn't displayed any kind of control over his "willpower". He isn't even aware of it.


So you wish that luffy dies? Cause how can he fight an admiral if he isn't aware of his "willpower" abilities? An uncontrolled "willpower" wave wouldn't knock an admiral you know... And even someone as experienced as rayleigh had trouble against kizaru.


Sengoku has been an admiral before he got his current position.

He could control it, in ID when he knock out the wolfs that where atacking him and bon-chan

Underpowered
September 22, 2009, 06:30 AM
We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation.


To be honest I doubt that. Even with his haki, I dont see him coming even close to Kuma, Mihawk or Marco/Whitebeard.
So why should he be able to beat the admirals? They wouldnt be the world governments ultimate power if every haki user could pwn them.

Hope we'll get a translation soon. \:D/

adios_emvrios
September 22, 2009, 06:33 AM
He cannot control it by the definition of control.His haki is named "king's disposition".When luffy gives an order with all his might,haki activates(breaking Margaret,fightinf wolves).

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 06:40 AM
Seriously he hasn't displayed any kind of control over his "willpower". He isn't even aware of it.


So you wish that luffy dies? Cause how can he fight an admiral if he isn't aware of his "willpower" abilities? An uncontrolled "willpower" wave wouldn't knock an admiral you know... And even someone as experienced as rayleigh had trouble against kizaru.


Sengoku has been an admiral before he got his current position.

Yes but look at garp. Garp is a vice admiril for crying out loud hes about as old as Sengoku .... Garp back in the day used to fight with rodger to death. What im trying to say is that i do not believe that we will see any kind of Devil Fruit from Sengoku. He seems like the kind who will have gained his position like Garp through use of haki (maybe) or by just pure brute strength.

Anyway you look at it as far as im concerned people like that are not as dangerous as people who have DF abilities thats why i have hypothesised that he is NOT as strong as the admirals ... just a guess however.
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He cannot control it by the definition of control.His haki is named "king's disposition".When luffy gives an order with all his might,haki activates(breaking Margaret,fightinf wolves).

Your forgetting the incident in Impel Down. Kings disposition is only one form of haki use. Look at the snake princesses sisters and also the broadaxe weilding dude related to kizaru. They filter their haki through there bodies. Kings disposition is just releasing it all at once. Also if you look back at impel down when he hit BB, BB even noticed that his HAKI had improved. Us the readers would have had NO clue if it wasnt mentioned by BB himself.

Also it was mentioned that the snake princess and her sisters haki were on different levels. Hence another reason to believe that their are more then one haki use, kings disposition is just a rare type of haki use i guess :S displayed by few

sarutobi_sensei
September 22, 2009, 06:43 AM
are you sure it's kizaru? Cause I can see there "he's stopped by water" so I'm taking it's Aokiji and not Kizaru.

ScratchmenApoo
September 22, 2009, 06:49 AM
This chapter has a lot of Kizaru in it. My guess is that Kizaru wants to attack Luffy, but Ivankov steps in to protect him.

deffkryz
September 22, 2009, 06:52 AM
Hmmn id say that kuma sent him and the rest flying to keep them from disturbing the meeting but i have no idea why he would send them to islands which would help them all progress.

Actually, that part has always been a suggestion by fans (a "myth") based on a unhearable chat between Rayleigh and Kuma - and Kuma's reply to Kizaru that he won't answer the admiral's question what Kuma was actually doing. Nothing more.

(That's why I don't like those current anime fillers at all, since they're implying that all the Mugiwaras will gain new abilities and powers for definitely-super-sure!)


ALso why would he send them flying when kizaru clearly had them beaten???

Because he was allowed to do so... He's a shichibukai not a Marine. If he didn't have any interest in letting Kizaru beat them, why shouldn't he interfere and rescue them? He's been given immunity to everything he's doing unless he won't attack a country lead by the WG.


Something does not add up about that kuma im telling u.

Until now, he was just doing whatever he wanted to.


We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation.

We have no idea neither how Luffy could do on his own against untouchable admirals nor that haki negates DF powers. So "Luffy beating an admiral" is a fan's wish so far. Let's see whether or not Oda satisfies it.


He could control it, in ID when he knock out the wolfs that where atacking him and bon-chan

That wasn't "controlling" it - that was another massive break out.

jeffrey91
September 22, 2009, 06:52 AM
Marco and Luffy fight Kizaru...Luffy is in danger....Garp saves Luffy.......Garp has a Zoan Bear fruit =p

MagneticMonkey
September 22, 2009, 06:53 AM
He could control it, in ID when he knock out the wolfs that where atacking him and bon-chan

He just told the wolves to go away. The same thing happened when he shout at the boa sisters. It also happened when he shout at Kuma...
When you have control over it you are 1) aware of it, can feel it 2) you can use it in various ways with your fighting techniques ---> boa sisters, and boa hancock, rayleigh.


Yes but look at garp. Garp is a vice admiril for crying out loud hes about as old as Sengoku .... Garp back in the day used to fight with rodger to death. What im trying to say is that i do not believe that we will see any kind of Devil Fruit from Sengoku. He seems like the kind who will have gained his position like Garp through use of haki (maybe) or by just pure brute strength.
We have no evidence that gap and/or sengoku don't have a DF...Garp being able to create a huge iron ball to throw it at the SHs with the help of DF is much more probable than the hammerspace theory.



Anyway you look at it as far as im concerned people like that are not as dangerous as people who have DF abilities thats why i have hypothesised that he is NOT as strong as the admirals ... just a guess however.
Look all the admirals we have seen so far are insanely strong. Now why would it be different for sengoku? The admirals are the best marines weapon. Don't ignore it.




Your forgetting the incident in Impel Down. Kings disposition is only one form of haki use. Look at margret and also the broadaxe weilding dude related to kizaru. They filter their haki through there bodies. Kings disposition is just releasing it all at once. Also if you look back at impel down when he hit BB, BB even noticed that his HAKI had improved. Us the readers would have had NO clue if it wasnt mentioned by BB himself.

Kings disposition isn't releasing your willpower in a wave.... Where did you get that information? Did you see hancock do that? Just because luffy has it and did it once against the wolves and the boa sisters? If it is the highest form of willpower it would be highly retarded to be just the abilty to release a wave to knock out animals and fodder...

Have you also noticed that luffy punching BB without using willpower means BB won't sense (that's assuming he can sense it) anything? And if you think that luffy has a permanent aura then wouldn't you think that the amazons (willpower specialists) would have been able to sense it as soon as they met luffy first? But no in fact they only felt it when he released it in the arena.

So no! BB is probably only talking about the normal ambition as we know it from english not in a one piece context.

OdaForPresident
September 22, 2009, 06:56 AM
I also read some stuff about Aokiji and wax. So I guess we'll see some of mr. 3 as well this chapter.

PaLLl
September 22, 2009, 06:58 AM
Marco and Luffy fight Kizaru...Luffy is in danger....Garp saves Luffy.......Garp has a Zoan Bear fruit =p
You sure ?

Yeah the rough translation from the google had smth to do with - Kizaru , Luffy , Ivankov (saying - "Are you okay?") , Marco ,
and smth about "Recover immediately collapse Aokiji island horror
Sengoku "Pooh!貴様!" Bear "is quite mistaken ..." before staring Sengokugapuiwan bear ... "No way!"
Ends"

???

Is it me...or Sengoku is a Bear :D ?
or there was something about Kuma ? Mistaken by Kuma ??? :D
Maaaan we need a translation !

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:00 AM
Marco and Luffy fight Kizaru...Luffy is in danger....Garp saves Luffy.......Garp has a Zoan Bear fruit =p

OHHH God that would make my day a Zoan Bear Fruit ahaha :facepalm how much did you have to smoke before you came up with that i wish i thought of it first!!!

Being serious now How did Raleigh stand his own against Kizaru ??? He had no DF as far as we know as he didnt transform all he did was use haki from the begining hence why we are all assuming haki has the ability to negate / hit an enemy who has a df ability. Examples - When his kick stoped kizaru's and hence why kizaru went all out knowing that he couldnt just rely on his flashy light tricks because "haki" is soo dangerous when used in the right hands (like raleigh). I really really believe this otherwise im sure kizaru wouldnt of gotten out his lightning sword, also it would mean that the admirils are vertually indestructible.

hamad138
September 22, 2009, 07:08 AM
Garp has an Mythic Zoan Fruit "Bear"

Zojo
September 22, 2009, 07:09 AM
Hmmn id say that kuma sent him and the rest flying to keep them from disturbing the meeting but i have no idea why he would send them to islands which would help them all progress. ALso why would he send them flying when kizaru clearly had them beaten??? Something does not add up about that kuma im telling u.

We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation. I mean seriously he is learning to control it better and the way luffy learns best is through fights, the more he fights the stronger he becomes the more hell learn to control this new "power". My guess is that he will fight with an admiral soo will marco and maybe whitebeard. Before you all say WHY WHITEBEARD FIGHTING AN ADMIRAL I do not believe that sengoku is ALL THAT ... seriously hes a tactitioner he doesnt have to be "strong" to lead the Marines (some relevent strength but not overpowering the admirals, would not take my word or this but i could be graverly wrong).

Whaa~~aat?! You can't possibly be serious about Sengoku, can you? Whenever you see each side depicted...it's always Whitebeard as the head of the pirates and Sengoku shown as the Head of the marines...and they're portrayed pretty equally.
Honestly, I think neither have made any significant moves yet (except Whitebeard causing a tsunami...which was just Oda introducing Whitebeard's powers) because they're watching each other. They both know that the other is the most powerful enemy present...and that when one moves, the other will intervene immediately.

Yeah, something is up with Kuma. Probably a revoluationary...my guess anyways.

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:12 AM
He just told the wolves to go away. The same thing happened when he shout at the boa sisters. It also happened when he shout at Kuma...
When you have control over it you are 1) aware of it, can feel it 2) you can use it in various ways with your fighting techniques ---> boa sisters, and boa hancock, rayleigh.


We have no evidence that gap and/or sengoku don't have a DF...Garp being able to create a huge iron ball to throw it at the SHs with the help of DF is much more probable than the hammerspace theory.


Look all the admirals we have seen so far are insanely strong. Now why would it be different for sengoku? The admirals are the best marines weapon. Don't ignore it.




Kings disposition isn't releasing your willpower in a wave.... Where did you get that information? Did you see hancock do that? Just because luffy has it and did it once against the wolves and the boa sisters? If it is the highest form of willpower it would be highly retarded to be just the abilty to release a wave to knock out animals and fodder...

Have you also noticed that luffy punching BB without using willpower means BB won't sense (that's assuming he can sense it) anything? And if you think that luffy has a permanent aura then wouldn't you think that the amazons (willpower specialists) would have been able to sense it as soon as they met luffy first? But no in fact they only felt it when he released it in the arena.

So no! BB is probably only talking about the normal ambition as we know it from english not in a one piece context.

I agree with what your saying for most of it but not all, Like seriously why would oda make everyone whos powerfull have DF abilities. There NEEDS to be some who got there like mihawk and (GARP <- Assumption) and Shanks (<Assumption) who did it through other means like haki use.

And also no i dont mean he has a constant aura im saying that like u say he doesnt realise it but he releases like a force or whatever through his ambition all around him, far as we know kings disposition is the most unknown type of haki use so lets not continue on about it as we will most probly both be proven wrong later on haha.

As for the other haki i do believe that he has learnt to control it a TINY bit dont jump down my throat. He learns quite quick soo i dont understand why he wouldnt be able to learn from watching the amazon people who use haki to enhance there attacks and defences. <this is proven fact haki enhances attacks / defences the degree is most likly related to how strong the person is.

Razh
September 22, 2009, 07:14 AM
Garp has an Mythic Zoan Fruit "Bear"

How is bear a mythical zoan? :(

If he is a bear, which I really doubt, that what's up with the whole dog theme? I don't buy it.

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:14 AM
Whaa~~aat?! You can't possibly be serious about Sengoku, can you? Whenever you see each side depicted...it's always Whitebeard as the head of the pirates and Sengoku shown as the Head of the marines...and they're portrayed pretty equally.
Honestly, I think neither have made any significant moves yet (except Whitebeard causing a tsunami...which was just Oda introducing Whitebeard's powers) because they're watching each other. They both know that the other is the most powerful enemy present...and that when one moves, the other will intervene immediately.

Yeah, something is up with Kuma. Probably a revoluationary...my guess anyways.

Yeah im most probly wrong i just got a feeling he cant be all that. He could be EXTREMLY POWERFUL and be able to kill the admirals in like a second (exagerating) but i just got a feeling he isnt as strong as he looks. :facepalm my theory is getting beatdown here haha but WE WILL SEEE

Zojo
September 22, 2009, 07:15 AM
I agree with what your saying for most of it but not all, Like seriously why would oda make everyone whos powerfull have DF abilities. There NEEDS to be some who got there like mihawk and (GARP <- Assumption) and Shanks (<Assumption) who did it through other means like haki use.

And also no i dont mean he has a constant aura im saying that like u say he doesnt realise it but he releases like a force or whatever through his ambition all around him, far as we know kings disposition is the most unknown type of haki use so lets not continue on about it as we will most probly both be proven wrong later on haha.

As for the other haki i do believe that he has learnt to control it a TINY bit dont jump down my throat. He learns quite quick soo i dont understand why he wouldnt be able to learn from watching the amazon people who use haki to enhance there attacks and defences. <this is proven fact haki enhances attacks / defences the degree is most likly related to how strong the person is.

Ah, Luffy will probably naturally learn it. He noticed it on Amazon Lily...and when Sentamaru (forgot his name) attacked him.

I doubt he will fight an admiral now, though....that's like top rank in One Piece. Luffy's still got a ways to go...otherwise it'd be a boring downhill.

sarutobi_sensei
September 22, 2009, 07:15 AM
Agreed. Garp a Bear Zoan user? I really doubt it. But hey it's Oda.

hamad138
September 22, 2009, 07:17 AM
How is bear a mythical zoan? :(

If he is a bear, which I really doubt, that what's up with the whole dog theme? I don't buy it.

hmm like Marco Bird with fire. Poor luffy he is to weak for those people

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:18 AM
Ah, Luffy will probably naturally learn it. He noticed it on Amazon Lily...and when Sentamaru (forgot his name) attacked him.

I doubt he will fight an admiral now, though....that's like top rank in One Piece. Luffy's still got a ways to go...otherwise it'd be a boring downhill.

True i think a lot of people (including me) are just making assumptions. Because we are all curious in what part luffy will have in this war. Seriously if he cant fight an admiral then who the vice admirals bar garp are weak in comparison. Maybe he will fight garp that would be hell cool haha.

jeffrey91
September 22, 2009, 07:18 AM
hmmm a dog with tree heads would be cool (I dont remember how its called).

NANLIT
September 22, 2009, 07:20 AM
hmmm a dog with tree heads would be cool (I dont remember how its called).
Cerberus.

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:20 AM
hmm like Marco Bird with fire. Poor luffy he is to weak for those people

Yeah but its soo hard to seee a mythical bear?? how can a bear be mythical. Bears are comon phoenix is a myth hence why pheonix is a mythical zoan, bear wouldnt even be a zoan seriously it would just be a normal animal df like what we saw of that government agency (dp9 or someshit)

jeffrey91
September 22, 2009, 07:20 AM
Cerberus its called, and that would be a mythical zoan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus

Razh
September 22, 2009, 07:21 AM
hmm like Marco Bird with fire. Poor luffy he is to weak for those people

Marco is a Phoenix. It's not just a bird with fire.

And as far as I know there are no especially famous bears in world mythology.

Jayden_kropp
September 22, 2009, 07:21 AM
2 mythical zoans in one war would even out the teams unless garp changes sides. However highly doubt seeing another 1 untill NewWorld ark

Razh
September 22, 2009, 07:22 AM
HellHound - Cerberus

Hellhound could be just a dog that breathes fire. There's no need for 3 heads at all.

guiguizmo
September 22, 2009, 07:22 AM
hmmm a dog with tree heads would be cool (I dont remember how its called).

It is Kerberos (greek name)/Cerberus.

Dofla
September 22, 2009, 07:24 AM
This thread is closed untill we get legit spoilers.

hamad138
September 22, 2009, 11:31 AM
Man 1 Hit Luffy is down :facepalm

HEs to weak. Whitebeard can kill the admirals but hes looking at Senghok:s

LordZet
September 22, 2009, 11:46 AM
I feel bad for luffy...he's still getting curb stomped by the admirals

Tyrant4U
September 22, 2009, 11:48 AM
i hope that luffy can figure out how to use his haki at least a little in his fight against kizaru, cause if he doesn't then he is screwed. SCREWED!!! but i really don't want a bunch of people coming to his rescue. I don't mind strong guys backing him up, but if he can;t defeat at least one strong guy with his own strength, then he shouldn't be there.

I just want Luffy to get stronger. No one should look down on him after this war. NO ONE.

Rotten The Wizard
September 22, 2009, 12:11 PM
The suspense is literally KILLING me!!! I want more!!! what is it that Kuma did?!!

jamjosef
September 22, 2009, 01:11 PM
I feel bad for luffy...he's still getting curb stomped by the admirals

i wont believe it until i see pics...

LoS
September 22, 2009, 11:06 PM
Okay, can I just say this now. Can we all please refrain from the I told you so's, and I knew Kuma was working for the Revolutionaries. Tons and tons of people all thought it.

Aside from that, pretty cool. Luffy has outclassed Hina, which is pretty reassuring.

Mr. Crocodile
September 22, 2009, 11:10 PM
Yep..so the Kuma thing is pretty much confirmed..and apparently Hina is no match for luffy..obviously..it would be lame if he lost to her too lol.

Waiting for more pics..

toxun
September 22, 2009, 11:16 PM
From the spoiler right now, all I saw Luffy meddle with Hina & Hina herself is no match for current Luffy speed. About Kuma, why he shot laser, while he had his paw? I think his paw more lethal/powerful than his laser.

Shadoguardian
September 22, 2009, 11:25 PM
LOL! Brook decides to right a song while those worshipers are being robbed blind?! And the guys try to tempt him with their underwear?! That's just wrong!

Those early spoilers must be mostly fake. None of them mention Hina. I'm looking forward for the rest of the chapters.

elitefox
September 22, 2009, 11:41 PM
wow luffy is making his name more and more popular, I wonder how much bounty they will put on him after the war... if he outclass most of the VA and other small time but have reputations, it will turn sky rocket

Katz
September 22, 2009, 11:43 PM
It's obvious now that Kuma works with/for the revolution...Hopefully that's explained further soon....does that mean that Vegapunk is in on it too? or is he just an accessory to the fact...of course no one know for sure but hopefully more and more is explained.....this is why one piece is the best manga of the top 3, great story, backgrounds for the majority of characters...no random "friendship" power ups and random shit like that....Oda ftw


wow luffy is making his name more and more popular, I wonder how much bounty they will put on him after the war... if he outclass most of the VA and other small time but have reputations, it will turn sky rocket
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Most certainly his bounty is gonna grow massively...he will grow past the 11 supernova's and be in his own category "furture Pirate Kings" only club

Duc :D
September 22, 2009, 11:48 PM
if the sentence is real
WB:Marco, don't let that boy die <3<3
awesome as ever^^

and hina had some screentime again <3 although I've never liked her DF and it is good that she cannot even stand Luffys Speed not to speak of his strength.

elitefox
September 22, 2009, 11:48 PM
damn, new pics showed WB is not letting luffy die and asking marco :D

luffy really is an eye catcher :d

Shadoguardian
September 22, 2009, 11:49 PM
if the sentence is real
WB:Marco, don't let that boy die <3<3
awesome as ever^^

and hina had some screentime again <3 although I've never liked her DF and it is good that she cannot even stand Luffys Speed not to speak of his strength.

Agreed!!:D
Awesome how Luffy took down a giant.

Akaii
September 22, 2009, 11:51 PM
this chapter looks awesome..and it would seem the more we know about kuma the more he is connected with the revolutionaries no dragon in someway...can't wait for the whole chapter

elitefox
September 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
they are releasing pics and translations 2 pages at a time, hate that and loving it at the same time :d

d3death
September 22, 2009, 11:56 PM
here is the spread merged by brenn ... not good .. but still
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/338/joined.png

and yea.. i liked that part about not letting luffy die.. rest was somewhat predictable

chitgoks
September 22, 2009, 11:59 PM
who's hina?

hmmm seems boa may get away with suspicions in bringing luffy to impel down as the marines may pin the blame on kuma.

Trafalgar
September 23, 2009, 12:00 AM
Seriously this is becoming TOO EPIIIIIICCC !!!!!
Luffy beating a giant with a gear 3 like it was nothing!!!!!!!!!!!
And in top of that WB sending marco as a bodyguard^^
Oda never stops to amaze me. He is a genius...

Katz
September 23, 2009, 12:01 AM
Hina is smoker's I guess you could call her his "get me outa trouble" card, she's always with him and seemingly deathly loyal to him...her DF is a net type

Hina has eaten the Devil Fruit Ori Ori no Mi granting her the ability to let others pass through her body, in the process getting encaged in a ring of iron. She is also a skilled unarmed combatant, being able to best Mr 2 Bon Kurei in a one-on-one fight

(source One piece wiki)

d3death
September 23, 2009, 12:01 AM
who's hina?

hmmm seems boa may get away with suspicions in bringing luffy to impel down as the marines may pin the blame on kuma.

she was with smoker..

black-cage hina i guess.. has lock lock fruit..
tried rounding up Strawhats after croc defeat...
in the end got fooled by BON

Edit:beaten

xstationcubed
September 23, 2009, 12:16 AM
Luffy getting a bounty raise for this assumes that the WG still stands at the end of this war. I honestly can't say that it will. it seems more and more stacked against them. when the dust settles, will the WG still stand? Will Ace keep his head? Will Whitebeard? Only Oda knows...

senewe
September 23, 2009, 12:25 AM
it is WOW...

i don't know, but is there anyone think that his gear 3 is getting bigger??

and i wonder if he will be small after use this. or maybe he has improved...

xstationcubed
September 23, 2009, 12:28 AM
it is WOW...

i don't know, but is there anyone think that his gear 3 is getting bigger??

and i wonder if he will be small after use this. or maybe he has improved...

if nothing else, Oda is consistant. he'll be small when he stops using G3.

jamjosef
September 23, 2009, 12:38 AM
im so glad that i didnt believe the fake spoilers

luffy destroy a giant with a giant hand = WIN
hina unable to see luffy = Epic Fail
these two instances already make this chapter a win for me
so full of win!!!
btw it looks as if luffy switches from G2 to G3 almost instntly in the pic with the giant i wonder if he's combining again

SilversDKRayleigh
September 23, 2009, 12:54 AM
I was right in saying Luffy taking on a giant in gear 3, can't wait till i get to see everyone's reactions to small Luffy.

elitefox
September 23, 2009, 01:01 AM
Luffy getting a bounty raise for this assumes that the WG still stands at the end of this war. I honestly can't say that it will. it seems more and more stacked against them. when the dust settles, will the WG still stand? Will Ace keep his head? Will Whitebeard? Only Oda knows...

even if the marines get defeated, I don't think they will vanish like bubble. surely they will loose reputation. and its not like the 3 admirals will die(I assumed they are unkillable) and I think the marines are just front for the tenribito and gorusei
[hr]
I am wondering if he learn something from magellan lol like

venom hydra = gomu gomu hydra
venom road = gomu gomu road
venom gas = gomu gomu smoke bomb

just fanticising :D

TheBlackLotus
September 23, 2009, 01:05 AM
Luffy getting a bounty raise for this assumes that the WG still stands at the end of this war. I honestly can't say that it will. it seems more and more stacked against them. when the dust settles, will the WG still stand? Will Ace keep his head? Will Whitebeard? Only Oda knows...

It would perhaps start the "new era" that has been referred to, but let's not rule out the WG yet, so far it's been one sided, but something will happen to the pirates. I can't believe they'd win this war completely unscathed, but can't say what will happen.

Read the spoiler thread, hard to tell which are real. Glad it's finally been revealed that Kuma is a double agent. This may help to answer the question that's been pending for almost 50 chapters now...why were SH's sent to these specific islands, how they'll get back together, and what Kuma's plan and what he told Rayleigh happens to be.

Looking like a very good chapter coming up, and a lot of potential to get even better from this point.

RichardMNixon
September 23, 2009, 01:07 AM
Chapter looks incredible - Luffy just going on a rampage through everyone, getting some cover from Whitebeard and Marco.

Wonder if Kuma has some kind of contingency worked out with Dragon.

LoS
September 23, 2009, 01:30 AM
About Kuma, why he shot laser, while he had his paw? I think his paw more lethal/powerful than his laser.

because he isn't trying to kill his comrade in arms, he is only putting up a front for the World Government, so they think he really is doing his duty. He would rather fight Iva himself making it look like he is really trying to harm him rather than some other fighter actually fight Iva and do him real harm.

mamuwyllie
September 23, 2009, 01:52 AM
Holy Crap luffy is going mental. It is soooooo awesome. If the translation is correct then all those people who said that Kuma was in league with Dragon, congratulations you were right. I can't wait for the scanlation, Luffy is like fantastic.

ssj4jw
September 23, 2009, 01:58 AM
I bet when Luffy turns chibi Hancock will go ga ga over him. If somebody tries to attack him at that state Marco will save him.

bittman
September 23, 2009, 02:22 AM
Hahaha, what? Is Brook being offered male-panties? Appears he has to rescue that woman at all costs.

Chapter looks good, can't wait for the entire thing to be shown. But on what we've seen:

Little disappointed by Hina, but at the same time I've always thought she'd be a follower of Smoker in the end, so being shown as weaker than Luffy now is ok in my books. That said, holy crap she made a lot of jail stuff. If Luffy wasn't in gear 2 he would probably be caught. Don't know if any other Strawhat is evasive enough to beat her...
Iva thinking about Kuma seems to provide a pretty definite link between Kuma and Dragon. On the other hand, do comrades go for the kill so quickly? It's almost as if Kuma wanted to erase Iva who seems to know his secret...I still put Kuma as a bit of an independent force and a planner in his own right. Be good if he's playing all the sides to some extent.
Giant fist on giant-san = giant erection.

Overall, this chapter is making me happy because it shows Luffy's growth. Ok, so he doesn't pull out Gear 4 or use Haki, which is how 90% of you rate growth for Luffy nowdays. But we've just seen Luffy chain Gear 2 and 3 in very quick succession, his build up to both techniques is nearly non-existent. Remember when he had to take a stance and build the power?

Point is, I'm imagining a Luffy that continuously chains Gear 2 and 3 attacks without suffering drawback. You can keep looking forward to Haki and Gear 4, but meanwhile this is the Luffy I'm after.

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 02:30 AM
Well it didn't take long for Whitebeard to see Luffy potential.
He already was smiling at the end of last chapter, now he support him with hist strongest crewmate.

kilm
September 23, 2009, 02:45 AM
Some big text:

Ace: Why did you come?!
Luffy: I'm your little bro!

Lots of "WTF he's Dragon's son?!"

Well at least it's to the point. Some of the other text... eye straining.

SilversDKRayleigh
September 23, 2009, 02:53 AM
I'm wondering if the pic with everyone suprised is him taking out the giant by himself or small Luffy.

ksfst
September 23, 2009, 02:58 AM
I'm wondering if the pic with everyone suprised is him taking out the giant by himself or small Luffy.

They are actually surprised to know that Luffy is Dragon's son, if I understood it well.

LoS
September 23, 2009, 03:00 AM
yes Sengoku is telling everyone on the page prior where you can see Luffy's giant fist in mid air that he is the son of Dragon.

dogfood911
September 23, 2009, 03:00 AM
because he isn't trying to kill his comrade in arms, he is only putting up a front for the World Government, so they think he really is doing his duty. He would rather fight Iva himself making it look like he is really trying to harm him rather than some other fighter actually fight Iva and do him real harm.

That's not Kuma, it's a Pacifista.

Zojo
September 23, 2009, 03:11 AM
That's not Kuma, it's a Pacifista.

He already used Ursa Shock on Oars Jr. So...can't be a Pacifista. He's just attacking Iva with an easier attack to dodge so he can keep his cover up.

TwEeD
September 23, 2009, 03:20 AM
And seems this is going to be another epic chapter :D


You gotta love
"Garp: I don't care... there's no point in hiding it anymore.
Besides Luffy is already an outlaw who made a name for himself, such label means nothing...!"

Almost seems like his praising him heh

eskigma
September 23, 2009, 03:25 AM
:D man this is really awesome . is really Dragon made a move? I can't wait to see details.

Sachsenhesse
September 23, 2009, 03:33 AM
jimbei pwning moria xD awesome

Akainu
September 23, 2009, 03:36 AM
Dragon made no move, they just mentioned him rather casual causing unrest in Sabaody :D
Also it is Kuma lasers are probably just way less certain to hit his comrade than Ursa shock and so on.
Hancock is os sweet, I wonder when she and Kuma will turn around - probably not at all as long as their goals and loved ones are not in danger :/

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 03:38 AM
Hum is there any difference between Luffy tactic and Oars Jr one :-) ?

OK so we now know who knew (basically Sengoku and Garp).
Moria mainpower won't be that much of any help (do you think Jinbei know already or that Luffy told him)
And more important, what is happening in Shabondy, that they need to report to HQ... ?

Otherwise I'm always surprised to see how they understand eachother so easily from one side of the bay to the other, isn't there suppose to be the noisest battle ever in the middle :-))

Zojo
September 23, 2009, 03:41 AM
Dragon made no move, they just mentioned him rather casual causing unrest in Sabaody :D
Also it is Kuma lasers are probably just way less certain to hit his comrade than Ursa shock and so on.
Hancock is os sweet, I wonder when she and Kuma will turn around - probably not at all as long as their goals and loved ones are not in danger :/

Yeah, if you think about it, Kuma has no obligation to anyone in the battle except his nakama (Iva and Luffy(kinda)) and his obligations as a Shichibukai. Really...Kuma has no reason to kick Whitebeard Pirate arse.
I mean, it may be easier for Revolutionaries to overthrow the marines than the Pirate Alliance.

Hancock is more devoted to Luffy, though. She'll fight whoever Luffy fights...which Luffy just wants to save Ace.

tharkun
September 23, 2009, 03:52 AM
One epic after another. Now everybody knows that Luffy is Dragon's son. It was said that the Shichibukai would be the key to the battle between World Government and Whitebeard. It would be interesting if Dragon crashes the party, either at the present battlefield or at Mariejoa. I don't really think Dragon would do nothing while his son steal the global spotlight.

Hopefully Luffy get a control over his haki in the course of the battle. Its seems the occasion is right for Luffy to evolve once more.

NoLimit89
September 23, 2009, 03:52 AM
oh sweet. now the whole world is gonna know Luffy is THE Dragon's son. that is epic. (first time I've used epic and meant it)

plex
September 23, 2009, 03:53 AM
Right now Hancock is a brainless puppet, who'd do anything for Luffy; she's totally blinded by love *lol*

SenninSage
September 23, 2009, 03:53 AM
Haha amazing! Luffy says he's going to rescue Ace, even if he dies, then WhiteBeard immediately tells Marco to make sure that Luffy doesn't die :)

It's so awesome to see Luffy speak on such equal standing with THE Whitebeard, and the secret that he's Dragon's son was heard by everybody! :D

soDeq05
September 23, 2009, 04:07 AM
Traduccion de las ultimas 5 Pic
Capitulo: Hermano Menor o Hermanito (es como Oni-chan!)
Episodio Final: Satan comienza a componer música
Pic2
Iva-san : Kuma!!
*Esquiva el Rayo* rodada estética!! HEEWHAAA!
Iva-san: Bartholomew Kuma…!
¿Como te atreves?!! Entiendo que quieras defender tu título de Shishibukai…Pero, No dispararas rayos lazers a un conocido como yo?, Cierto??!!
Pic 3
Hina: “Hina No te dejará pasar!”… Awase-baori!!(Me acuerdo que ella habla en 3ra persona xD)
LuFfy: “Eres tú!! Regresaste desde Alabasta??!!
Hina: ” Todo lo que pasa atravez de mis movimientos… Serás Capturado!!
Luffy: “Estoy arto de las Carceles” (Estas de Joda verdad?? xDDD)
???: Hey!! Hina…vigilalo!
Hina: Él es demaciado Rápido…no pude verlo… ! Hina está sorprendida!( xD)
Pic 4
Giant marine: OoooooooohhhH!!!!!
Luffy: Gomu Gomu no…. Gigant Rifle!!
Pic 5
Luffy: AAAAACCEEEE!!!!
Di lo que quieras!! Te voy a salvar aunque muera
Barbablanca:Marco… No dejes que ese niño Muera!..
Marco:Roger!

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 04:10 AM
oh sweet. now the whole world is gonna know Luffy is THE Dragon's son. that is epic. (first time I've used epic and meant it)

What is epic about that. Like Garp said, who cares ! Luffy already made a name of himself on his own

iFrozt
September 23, 2009, 04:27 AM
holy one piece is seriously too epic

it gives out some really epic details and leaves some good cliffhangers...
this is why one piece is the best manga

Adrizsnk
September 23, 2009, 04:30 AM
After seeing this spoilers, we understand better what's going to happen. Now it's about 90% that Kuma has bonds with Dragon.
And it's becoming clear that Sengoku has something realy big up his sleeves... Let's wait and see.

chitgoks
September 23, 2009, 04:36 AM
reading the spoiler "Jinbei splashes the zombies with sea water, and they all go down."

haha.. poor moria...

MilkMHer
September 23, 2009, 04:38 AM
Basically Jinbei can own Moria and Crocodile in second...

chihoho
September 23, 2009, 04:38 AM
luffy you can do it ! The news is out, luffy son of dragon. Like luffy care whoes blood he has. He had better things to do save ace, then find his nakama and then find one piece and become pirate king. the fights has already begun. The story climax is rising, for one piece is the best for having a strong story line.

jimbei vs moria
ivan vs kuma
luffy vs every marines, vice admirals and admirals


rising
One piece : top story line and spectalur plottwist
failing
naruto : To much revenge and bit to yaoi.
bleach : bad plot story that doesn't go anywher

chitgoks
September 23, 2009, 04:46 AM
That's not Kuma, it's a Pacifista.

could be possible. 's why he said we won't meet again coz he knew the consequences in helping the SH escape.

even if he's carrying a bible oda may have done it on purpose to fool us and the WG that it is still the real kuma who is there. after all, he barely speaks much so it's all the same.

until i see more kuma powers... this has some possibility
[hr]
now that luffy's broadcasted all over the world, im sure dragon and shanks will see the news as well...

if the battle will last long, they might get a chance to catch up if either one of them decides to help luffy. im leaning more on shanks than dragon. im sure shanks knows what level luffy still is and he may think that it's a dangerous situation for him being there. he aint going to just let his lost arm go to waste. he's going to preserve it, just like what rayleigh said.

though.. that is.. if shanks and crew catches up

Akaii
September 23, 2009, 04:48 AM
all this dragon talk makes me wonder if this is some kind of hint by oda towards that dragon "might" intervene in this war?..still this chap is super epic..and now the whole world knows the "secret" of luffy being the world most wanted mans son..now we have a "criminal" father son duo~

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 04:50 AM
The battle will be quite quick. They have to save Ace before marines "preparation" are finished.

ScratchmenApoo
September 23, 2009, 04:52 AM
So I don't get it.. It's confirmed for you guys that Kuma is friends with the Revolutionary Army ?

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 04:57 AM
HOLY S**T!! EPIC CHAPTER AGAIN
LOVE THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN LUFFY AND ACE :XD
AND GARP IS SMILING LIKE IF HE ALWAYS KNEW THOSE TWO LITTLE BRATS ARE DESTINED TO BE GREAT PIRATES... :XD

and calling this chapter "epic" is an understatement

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 04:58 AM
well at least they know each other pretty well according to what Iva is saying

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 05:11 AM
WTF!! Iva pretty much confirms Kuma as one of theirs. XD

benjymon
September 23, 2009, 05:28 AM
I never really liked one piece as much as naruto but this is pure awesome.

Kickass chapter! Go luffy!

PaLLl
September 23, 2009, 05:38 AM
I think Iva knows every rookie from those days :D

But still indeed another good chapter....
I <3 Kuma. He's always a quiet person.
And by the look of it...I think Kuma actually is somekind of agent , friend or smth to the RA...

So WB actually has some respect for the kid ) Atleast Luffy will be under guard.

OunknownO
September 23, 2009, 05:43 AM
this arc is better then sex

ScratchmenApoo
September 23, 2009, 05:51 AM
this arc is better then sex

I agree, even though I am a virgin.

Maybe Ivankov is ruining Kuma's cover? Kuma will be pretty pissed if that would happen. (if Kuma is actually their friend)

maxiflo
September 23, 2009, 05:53 AM
Traduction

Soruce: AP
Credit: Aohige_AP
Verification: Confirmed


Mirco pic 1
Barbe Blanche: Ils veulent executer Ace plus tôt!? Tu es sûr d'avoir bien entendu?
Luffy: Ils ont dit se préparé à faire quelque chose...
mais le reste était codé, je n'ai rien compris de plus.
Je sais que tu es là toi aussi pour sauver Ace, c'est pour ça que je t'en parle!

Barbe Blanche: Je vois... c'est une information précieuse, merci!
Luffy: C'est bon, ne t'en fais pas pour ça!!

Others: Comment peut'il parler à BB comme à son égal!! Quelle impudence!?

Mirco pic 2
Barbe Blanche: Je vois, donc pour eux l'horaire est secondaire... s'ils affrontent des pirates.
Il nous reste une chance, c'est qu'ils attendent que "quelque chose soit prêt"...
Luffy: UOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Marco: Hey pops! J'ai entendu les marines dirent qu'ils allaient exécuter Ace plus tôt...!!
Barbe Blanche: Oui, je sais.

Barbe Blanche: Mais gardons notre calme. Surréagir à la moindre fuite... serait sûrement jouer leur jeu.
Nous laisser "accidentellement" entendre leur plan... ce n'est pas le genre d'erreur qu'un tel homme ferait!!

Kizaru: The tenryuubito nous ont demandé de te capturer, Luffy au chapeau de paille.
pirates: L'Amiral Kizaru!! Ce chapeau de paille est un homme mort!!

Mirco pic 3
Ace: Va t'en Luffy!!!
Luffy huh.. !!!! Dégage de là!!
Barbe Blanche: .....
Ace: Ressaisis-toi!! On est des pirates!! On a choisit notre propre route sur l'océan!!

Micrco pic 4
Ace: J'ai ma propre aventure!! Mes nakamas!! Tu n'as rien à faire au milieu de tout ça!!!
Marco: Ace....
pirates: Sauve Ace!!

Ace: Tu penses que je pourrai te pardonner, un pleurnichard comme toi qui viens me sauver!?
Tu sais à quel point tu m'insultes en faisant ça!?
Rentre chez toi Luffy!!!! Pourquoi t'es venu!!!
Jinbei: Ace....

Ace: (Je t'en prie Luffy, Je ne veux pas te voir entrainé dans ma chute....!!! Tout est de ma faute!!!)

Mirco pic 5
Luffy: On est frère!!!!
Ace flashback
Ace: Tu le savais pas? On a échangé notre saké... on est devenu frères!
>Depuis ce jour... On est frères!!

Luffy: Je m'en fous des règles des pirates!!
Ace: Sale petit entété....!!

Mirco pic 6
Sengoku: Que vas-tu faire!! Ne laisse pas un simple rookie changer le courant de la bataille!
Giant: Hors de ma vue, je vais le massacrer!!
Sengoku: Cet homme est un danger lui aussi pour le futur!!!
Il est le frère de Ace, ils ont grandis ensemble... et il a le meme sang que....
C'est le fils de Dragon le Révolutionnaire!!!

Marine: !!?
Luffy Gear third!!!

Mirco pic 7
Marines: Tu veux dire LE Dragon?
Buggy: Quoii!?
Helmeppo: C'est ce qu'il a dit...
Coby: Luffy-san!!
Moria: !!!
Mihawk: Ce n'est pas étonnant.
Hancock: Je me fiche de tes origines... Je... Je....(coeurs qui flottent)
(Kuma reste silencieux, merde!, dis quelque chose)
Doflamingo: Je vois, C'est pour ça que Ivankov s'est associé à lui!!
Jinbei: Je vois, je ne le savais pas...
Smoker: Maintenant je comprends pourquoi il descendait comme ça à Logue Town...
Reporter: Vous avez entendu ça!?
HQ!! HQ!!! Ici le parc Sabaody!!
Crowd: Comment ce... LE Dragon!?
Reporter: C'est un énorme scoop!!! Il faut faire circuler ça dans le monde entier!!
Garp: Qu'importe... ça ne sert à rien de le cacher plus longtemps.
Depuis que Luffy est un pirate qui à su se faire un nom par lui-même, un tel nom ne signifie plus rien...!





Voilà une petite trad rapide pour les anglophobes, désolé pour les imprécisions...

bittman
September 23, 2009, 06:00 AM
You're all jumping to assumptions. Even if Iva and Dragon have an out loud talk about Kuma being there agent, unless Kuma personally says he is working for the revolutionaries you cannot prove it.

Like I said earlier, nothing to say he's not a triple agent, or even just out for himself. I wouldn't put it past Oda to make Kuma look like a sure agent placed in the Shichibukai by Dragon to then turn Kuma around as a bad guy in his own right.

So my point is, you cannot trust the word of anyone except the man himself.

sarutobi_sensei
September 23, 2009, 06:02 AM
Damn this is beyond EPIC if that exists.

Srsl, Luffy talking @ the same level as WB?
Now it's confirmed that Kuma knows Iva and Dragon and is probably working with them

All hell's breaking loose right now.

DARK
September 23, 2009, 06:10 AM
I've gotta say. One of THE best chapters of One Piece ever.
- Iva thinking in his/her head that Kuma is an "acquaintance," perhaps meaning that Kuma is working with the Revolutionaries. May explain why he teleported the Straw Hats away instead of capturing them as ordered.
- Luffy talking on the same level as Whitebeard.
- So yeah, Luffy and Ace became "brothers" by drinking each others' sake. What are you doing giving a little kid alcohol?
- Everybody finds out that Luffy is Dragon's son.

Zojo
September 23, 2009, 06:14 AM
You're all jumping to assumptions. Even if Iva and Dragon have an out loud talk about Kuma being there agent, unless Kuma personally says he is working for the revolutionaries you cannot prove it.

Like I said earlier, nothing to say he's not a triple agent, or even just out for himself. I wouldn't put it past Oda to make Kuma look like a sure agent placed in the Shichibukai by Dragon to then turn Kuma around as a bad guy in his own right.

So my point is, you cannot trust the word of anyone except the man himself.

You cannot trust what Kuma says anyhow. He's a man who has been heavily modified into a cyborg by the Marine Scientists, Vegapunk. Kuma may not even have complete free will (whether he knows it or not). We don't even know Vegapunks ambition. A genius will have great ambition, no doubt...probably using the Marines as a safe outlet to research further.

But, we'll have to learn of Kuma's past better. Was he a friend of Dragon before or after he become a cyborg? Became a shichibukai? At lot of good questions.

Whatever the case, he has some sense of honor and didn't kill the Strawhats. I doubt he's completely evil (of his own will, at least)

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 06:18 AM
I guess this could now possibly mean the WG has only 3 real Shichibukais..Moria, Doflamingo and Mihawk, the others are corrupt :fan

DARK
September 23, 2009, 06:20 AM
I guess this could now possibly mean the WG has only 3 real Shichibukais..Moria, Doflamingo and Mihawk, the others are corrupt :fan

Moria? Moria was trying to make a pirate crew out of zombies and become the Pirate King. Hell, he was trying to use some giant zombie. If it weren't for his army being defeated, he would have probably left the Shichibukai. Moria is corrupt as the word itself.

Don't know about Doflamingo or Mihawk though, given that they have been the least seen of the Shichibukai.

Besides, there's no real confirmation as to what Kuma's true affliation lies.

Zojo
September 23, 2009, 06:22 AM
I guess this could now possibly mean the WG has only 3 real Shichibukais..Moria, Doflamingo and Mihawk, the others are corrupt :fan

Ha! So true! I love it!
I mean, technically 4 out of 8 shichibukai are already going to be/have been stripped of there titles....and they're all part of this war!
I mean...Crocodile is out, Blackbeard and Hancock will be due to the Impel Down ruin...and Jimbei just outted himself.

Heh...and now Kuma is next on the line.
Oda knows how to make it interesting.

DARK
September 23, 2009, 06:27 AM
Ha! So true! I love it!
I mean, technically 4 out of 8 shichibukai are already going to be/have been stripped of there titles....and they're all part of this war!
I mean...Crocodile is out, Blackbeard and Hancock will be due to the Impel Down ruin...and Jimbei just outted himself.

Heh...and now Kuma is next on the line.
Oda knows how to make it interesting.

Officially though, only Crocodile and Jimbei have been stripped of their titles.
Although there may be some chance that Hancock and/or Blackbeard would have done the same if people knew of their intentions.
It doesn't really matter- Luffy still has to face the Admirals and most of the present Shichibukai.

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 06:28 AM
Moria? Moria was trying to make a pirate crew out of zombies and become the Pirate King. Hell, he was trying to use some giant zombie. If it weren't for his army being defeated, he would have probably left the Shichibukai. Moria is corrupt as the word itself.

Don't know about Doflamingo or Mihawk though, given that they have been the least seen of the Shichibukai.

Besides, there's no real confirmation as to what Kuma's true affliation lies.

my bad :sweat, even if Mihawk and Doflamingo are loyal to the WG, I don't think they will stand and fight against Yonkous (in the future), cuz alone they can't do miracles...

Zojo
September 23, 2009, 06:30 AM
Officially though, only Crocodile and Jimbei have been stripped of their titles.
Although there may be some chance that Hancock and/or Blackbeard would have done the same if people knew of their intentions.
It doesn't really matter- Luffy still has to face the Admirals and most of the present Shichibukai.

Still, when it's all said and done, it seems like the Shichibukai will become nonexistant. Since Moria just spent his days at Thriller Bark, I doubt he did much for the WG. Also, Mihawk seemed like the most distant Shichibukai...probably there just to make the Shichibukai even more frightening.
Those two will probably dissolve since they don't really care about the WG.

No idea about Doflammingo.

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 06:41 AM
Ha! So true! I love it!
I mean, technically 4 out of 8 shichibukai are already going to be/have been stripped of there titles....and they're all part of this war!
I mean...Crocodile is out, Blackbeard and Hancock will be due to the Impel Down ruin...and Jimbei just outted himself.

Heh...and now Kuma is next on the line.
Oda knows how to make it interesting.

Exactly :amuse, but the WG is aware of the Shichibukai's intentions, they were (and still) great pirates, so when BB arrives and does some s**t for the WG, they will forget ID's incident, cuz he'll be a great ally


Officially though, only Crocodile and Jimbei have been stripped of their titles.
Although there may be some chance that Hancock and/or Blackbeard would have done the same if people knew of their intentions.
It doesn't really matter- Luffy still has to face the Admirals and most of the present Shichibukai.

I think Kuma for sure

OunknownO
September 23, 2009, 07:07 AM
Kuma is for now most interesting and mysterious character

PS. This is the best arc in one piece.... Man we won't see anything like this till the end of one piece

Yans86
September 23, 2009, 07:44 AM
99% confirmed.....Kuma is a revolutionary!!!
I don't know how people can go back on it,since it is from TB that we all had this theory and more things hinted to this....

Predicted last chapter that Luffy's bloodline would be revealed in few chapters,couldn't image it would be the chapter after :-P POWWWWWWWWW :-D

WB's words about SenGoku are interesting.....this mean that the Pacifista army will come very soon...

Luffy's bounty....can't even imagine what will be after this.....beat Moria,Tenryubito,break in and break out ID with 245 people,going to war,announced Son of Dragon,Brother of Ace(Roger's son),beating lots of marines and a giant VA like a cockroaches......

Anyway,Ivankov's words make me think that Dragon is kinda like a chess player that was making secret preparative to make a 3 moves checkmate to the WG!!!

1) move:Ivankov breakout from ID but in another way(maybe Dragon wanted him there for the same reason BB went there.....something/someone able to disrupt the WG is secretly hided there...)...as u remember Ivankov wasn't suppose to move for "uncertain" reasons..

2) move:In a crucial moment,Kuma had to turn against the WG/marines,backstabbing someone important.But also,from his positions he can gather all the informations Dragon needs to make his movements...

3)move:Something involving the ancient history....The will of D.......Ohara and Robin(rescued by revolutionaries probably called by Kuma).....The new era leaded by a new D......his son......(http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/19/ http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/21/)


Luffy's being son of the most "evil"/"researched criminal" of the world,just made him the "indesiderable pirate no.1".....beautiful :-D

loloy
September 23, 2009, 08:15 AM
Kuma is for now most interesting and mysterious character

PS. This is the best arc in one piece.... Man we won't see anything like this till the end of one piece

Oda's speech

in order to preserve this, we have to keep moving forward, even though there might be some who have the delusion that once you've reached popularity, you can just stop at that point and work on routine. But if you do that, you're no longer "preserving" - you're "regressing". To release repetitions is the same as releasing old stuff."

Even entering your eleventh year of serialization, you're still burning with enthusiasm for manga.

"I always want to keep creating something that's better than what I've ever done before. Of course, if you want more people to read your creation, you need to have that feeling"

imagine what kind of epic upcoming/future arcs will be,to beat this arc

senewe
September 23, 2009, 08:28 AM
i think dragon will make a move soon. but not in this war...
when the power of WG, which is marine, is facing a great war. so WG is defendless now...

or maybe, marine is not the only army WG have. maybe they have ground army, (or air force. Lolz)...

and maybe marco was former air force fleet admiral.. LOLZ....

Adrizsnk
September 23, 2009, 08:42 AM
This chapter makes me wonder what will Ace do if he is rescued?
Will he simply go "thank you Luffy without you I would be dead for sure now... See you later, I go back to my crew and am going to make WB pirate king (or if WB is dead he would say"I").

Back in Alabasta, Ace said that to Luffy=> http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/159/18-19/

But maybe he will realise that's it. Luffy has raised to the top.
I don't know what to expect, it would be strange if Ace joined the Strawhat, i think he will go by himself, but I'm sure that he will do something for his brother, even if I don't know what^^.

chess4
September 23, 2009, 08:44 AM
i think ace will try to get out of there. sengoku definitely has something up his sleeve. more importantly i cant wait to see what garp will do

gesgift
September 23, 2009, 09:19 AM
i think ace will try to get out of there. sengoku definitely has something up his sleeve. more importantly i cant wait to see what garp will do

Garp doesn't look like it, but for me the guy is one big enigma for the present being.

And or Sengoku is glad Luffy there 'cause that way he'll be able to deal with him now, of Luffy might actualle stop the plans of the evil marines.

Yans86
September 23, 2009, 09:29 AM
I don't think that the emotional Garp can fight against Luffy and Ace,not saying that if Dragon shows up,having him killing his son and his two grandsons would be too cruel...

Even if sad,I can expect even something like having both Garp and WB deaths,trying to protect their childs....

Kaidou_
September 23, 2009, 09:49 AM
what do you think about Kaidou who is fighting against Shanks ??

maybe he will win ,intervene in the war and attack whitebeard

Razh
September 23, 2009, 10:17 AM
So, I guess giants are fodder for Luffy as well now.

This seems to be an awesome chapter. Can't wait to see it. Luffy is finally kicking ass.

beastboy
September 23, 2009, 10:34 AM
if that giant was a vice admiral.. I must say I overrated the vice admirals.. cause he was to damn weak... (well a pacifista was smashed to smithreens with that attack.. but it was the finisher not the first attack..)

But the chap is awessom... but I want to see the strategy.. it will be so damn awessom.. I don't think is a pacifista army.. it must be something like ... a mashroom gatling haha.. funny and random haha

or maybe a combined attack betwin the 3 admirals... aokiji places ice mirrors all around the bay.. kizaru reflects in them smashing everybody.. and then akainu melts the Ice making the survivors fall to the water..
or something even more amazing like... shiny Ice apocalipse.. kizaru just spams beams.. aokiji spams ice rocks to the sky and akainu does volcano punch... that would be beautiefull
[hr]

I'm pretty sure you're not doing it right.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

sarutobi_sensei
September 23, 2009, 11:17 AM
Ok so let me get this straight.

Luffy gets in there, talks on the same level as him (WB), gets cover from him, yells to anyone and everyone that gets on his way, his father is revealed, everyone's in shock and hancock's even more in love with him xD

This is so damn good!

Come on hancock, change sides girl! you're loved one's waiting!

Junior
September 23, 2009, 11:26 AM
I love this series. Every chapter just reaffirms everything I believe OP to be.

When I first saw the spoiler pics (I didn't read the translation) I thought Luffy had jabbed off on Kizaru and I almost shat brix. Then I realized he actually hit a VA and less brix were shat (but they were still shat).

Luffy just walks up on this battlefield and has the audacity to converse with Whitebeard on a level of familiarity? Then he finds it within himself to deem Whitebeard worthy of sharing intelligence with? Then he charges in and slaps punches the taste out of a Vice Admiral's mouth? Then everyone and their momma finds out that he's Dragon's son?

THIS. IS. EPIC.

He fit so much into this chapter and still made it flow at reasonable pace. I just..I just don't know.

Ero-Sanji
September 23, 2009, 11:28 AM
Go kuma, Go kuma, you're a rebellion!

But I wish he could talk some more...

Sherlock Holmes
September 23, 2009, 11:32 AM
Luffy: I don't care about the pirate's rule!!
Ace: Stubborn bastard....!!

Someone tell me I wasn't the only one who thought of Pirates of the Caribbean when I read that.

cachaco99
September 23, 2009, 11:42 AM
boa hancock is the ultimate cougar - hot, sexy and in love with a younger man. she is said to be somewhere between 27-36 and luffy is only 17 (he aint even legal yet. just goes to show you that the future pirate king can get a hotty like hancock). i do wish she'd switch sides and join luffy tho

so kuma is in some way connected to dragon. i'm thinking he's a spy for the revolution.

i said it before - whitebeard dying can further the story line than him being alive. its like Gilligan's island. if they made a boat and got off the island its the end of the show. if whitebeard lives then what comes of it. sure oda has more ideas but whitebeard dying leads to lets say buggy being a yonkou, ace going for the title of pirate king, blackbeard making his ultimate move, a luffy vs ace fight, jinbei joing ace, ace being the captain of a the new whitebeard pirates left to him by whitebeard. alot of things can and will happen. lets say whitebeard wins and destroys the marines. then what is dragon for? the marines being destroyed would lead to no more smoker, coby and such (yes it is an exaggeration) but the marines need to still be here for the story to move in a good direction. of course the marines are gonna take a major hit but whitebeard dying has infinite possibilities. the old age is coming to a close, its time for a new era, a new generation. new yonkou or greater pirates. ace taking over for whitebeard, luffy for shanks, buggy using the opportunity to become a "great" pirate, koby being the next garp type chasing luffy like how garp chased roger.

DEATH TO WHITEBEARD - love ya but its time for the next generation. you had your chance and you became a bad a$$ but now its others turn.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Boa_Hancock

Firebird
September 23, 2009, 11:44 AM
Go kuma, Go kuma, you're a rebellion!

But I wish he could talk some more...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3919/protegon200.jpg
[top right]

Maybe because he is pacifista?

Junior
September 23, 2009, 11:49 AM
boa hancock is the ultimate cougar - hot, sexy and in love with a younger man. she is said to be somewhere between 27-36 and luffy is only 17 (he aint even legal yet. just goes to show you that the future pirate king can get a hotty like hancock).


LOL, there are no statutory rape laws on the open seas!

and I'm not mad at Boa or Luffy. I've dated women about 5-6 years older than me and it was a pretty good deal. Boa obviously sees what she likes and she's going after it, high five!

Razh
September 23, 2009, 11:51 AM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3919/protegon200.jpg

Maybe because he is pacifista?

It's Kuma, not a Pacifista.

Kuma can shoot lasers from his mouth too, as demonstrated right after Zoro slashed him. Besides, he has a Bible, and he wasn't especially talkative to begin with. If you can remember, he never said a word during that first Shichibukai meeting in Mariejoia.

Raijū
September 23, 2009, 12:03 PM
if that giant was a vice admiral.. I must say I overrated the vice admirals.. cause he was to damn weak... (well a pacifista was smashed to smithreens with that attack.. but it was the finisher not the first attack..)

You know a giant is just an oversized human, not a cyborg like the pacifistas. and luffy in gear 3rd was able to destroy a Buster Call ship, so it's not the VA giant was weak but luffy's attack was powerful.

zozo96
September 23, 2009, 12:04 PM
boa hancock is the ultimate cougar - hot, sexy and in love with a younger man. she is said to be somewhere between 27-36 and luffy is only 17 (he aint even legal yet. just goes to show you that the future pirate king can get a hotty like hancock). i do wish she'd switch sides and join luffy tho

Boa may be older, but her heart is as simple as a young maiden! She will be a perfect match for Luffy. I vote for Boa-Luffy relationship!


i said it before - whitebeard dying can further the story line than him being alive. its like Gilligan's island. if they made a boat and got off the island its the end of the show. if whitebeard lives then what comes of it. sure oda has more ideas but whitebeard dying leads to lets say buggy being a yonkou, ace going for the title of pirate king, blackbeard making his ultimate move, a luffy vs ace fight, jinbei joing ace, ace being the captain of a the new whitebeard pirates left to him by whitebeard. alot of things can and will happen. lets say whitebeard wins and destroys the marines. then what is dragon for? the marines being destroyed would lead to no more smoker, coby and such (yes it is an exaggeration) but the marines need to still be here for the story to move in a good direction. of course the marines are gonna take a major hit but whitebeard dying has infinite possibilities. the old age is coming to a close, its time for a new era, a new generation. new yonkou or greater pirates. ace taking over for whitebeard, luffy for shanks, buggy using the opportunity to become a "great" pirate, koby being the next garp type chasing luffy like how garp chased roger.

DEATH TO WHITEBEARD - love ya but its time for the next generation. you had your chance and you became a bad a$$ but now its others turn.

Nice plot you have here. I think you are very smart for this. Only a few can or will predict this kind of story development. But, this is Oda we are talking about. He is beyond smart. Sorry, I really want to agree with you, but I prefer to just sit and wait for the moments when Oda will amaze us again. Btw, I stopped long-predicting OP long time ago.

Vizard5
September 23, 2009, 12:07 PM
It's Kuma, not a Pacifista.

Kuma can shoot lasers from his mouth too, as demonstrated right after Zoro slashed him. Besides, he has a Bible, and he wasn't especially talkative to begin with. If you can remember, he never said a word during that first Shichibukai meeting in Mariejoia.


that dosn't really prove he is not a pacifista, however the fact that he used ursa shock on oars jr. does..

Junior
September 23, 2009, 12:16 PM
Btw, I stopped long-predicting OP long time ago.

I feel you on this and I'm going to take the same route now. You may be able to get some of the small things with OP but..guessing the whole picture is going to take a phone call to Ms. Cleo.

cachaco99
September 23, 2009, 12:24 PM
LOL, there are no statutory rape laws on the open seas!

and I'm not mad at Boa or Luffy. I've dated women about 5-6 years older than me and it was a pretty good deal. Boa obviously sees what she likes and she's going after it, high five!

you know it lol something about older women is just awesome but this is the first time that i can remember seeing it in an anime. i was reading up on boa and then luffy and i noticed the age difference lol

but boa joining the crew would be awesome. like if she goes down to fishman island and sees the beautiful mermaids lol wonder how she'll act or they'll be all over her too

on another note luffy is just getting a bigger rep. hitting the world noble, breaking in and out of impel down, being in the war, and now everyone knows he is dragons son. his bounty increase is gonna make his current bounty look like a joke. cant wait for that
[hr]

Nice plot you have here. I think you are very smart for this. Only a few can or will predict this kind of story development. But, this is Oda we are talking about. He is beyond smart. Sorry, I really want to agree with you, but I prefer to just sit and wait for the moments when Oda will amaze us again. Btw, I stopped long-predicting OP long time ago.

lol by all means. i know oda is unpredictable but if you look at the most unlikely thing then it could happen lol but imagine buggy being a yonkou lmao. in some ways i just gave up on trying to predict oda but sometimes i just think about what could happen and i cant resist lol im a true one piece geek lol but its also fun just making up stories. it helps me with my ideas for writing and manga and stuff.

Adrizsnk
September 23, 2009, 12:37 PM
In my opinion Luffy and Co will come to the New World with the perfect timing. Moments before, New World was said to be ruled by the 4 Yonkous, as super-powerfull captains and crews.
Know it's shaking, WB will probably die (what's the point with the "I Want Ace to be Pirate King, if not... for One piece 2 XD?). And Red hair Pirates VS Kaidou can Lead to the fall of a second younkou. More to that, the current war will change many things too.

So the new era will spread

deffkryz
September 23, 2009, 12:51 PM
that dosn't really prove he is not a pacifista, however the fact that he used ursa shock on oars jr. does..

Kuma already stated he IS a pacifista himself. (Ch485, p.9) The only three things that made him different from those "PX" called Pacifistas are:


Kuma's main DF power: Nyuku Nyuku no Mi thus he had no lasers on his palms and is able to move incredibly fast.
Kuma's bible
Kuma spoke


About those spoilers... DamnitallOdagimmeabreak!!! :shakefist Please, at least one chapter that's worse than the one before - or please, at least a bit less awesomeness. :worship2

Lord Rayleigh
September 23, 2009, 12:56 PM
Kuma already stated he IS a pacifista himself. (Ch485, p.9) The only three things that made him different from those "PX" called Pacifistas are:


Kuma's main DF power: Nyuku Nyuku no Mi thus he had no lasers on his palms and is able to move incredibly fast.
Kuma's bible
Kuma spoke



And Kuma's past.

That chapter is SO SO EPIC.

TwEeD
September 23, 2009, 01:09 PM
she is said to be somewhere between 27-36 and luffy is only 17 (he aint even legal yet. just goes to show you that the future pirate king can get a hotty like hancock).

He ain't legal in the US which isn't the whole world you know, most European countries the legal age of consent is 16 ;)

PaLLl
September 23, 2009, 01:22 PM
Marines destroyed...
What about their main Brain - WG.
Don't forget them.

I think they are more powerfull then marines...I think all Marines from their ranks ar just soldiers...or troops....Plus why should WG do something if they have Marines , Pacifistas , Agents and lots more we don't even know....

Razh
September 23, 2009, 01:30 PM
Marines are the WG army.

If the WG were more powerful than Marines, then there wouldn't be three great powers, but four great powers.

cachaco99
September 23, 2009, 01:39 PM
He ain't legal in the US which isn't the whole world you know, most European countries the legal age of consent is 16 ;)

its meant to be a little joke :facepalm

ScratchmenApoo
September 23, 2009, 01:42 PM
He ain't legal in the US which isn't the whole world you know, most European countries the legal age of consent is 16 ;)

14 here ;)

I always thought that Pacifistas are made after the Original, who was Kuma, and he had a mind that could think, whereas the PX's are just killing machines.. Guess I was wrong...

I really want to see more Ace & Luffy flashbacks, and I'm sure 559 will show that...

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 02:20 PM
Looks like none of the Schichibukais really care about help the government.

and by the way this is epic

Luffy : AAAACCCCCEEE!!!
Say whatever you want! I'm going to save you even if I die!!!
Whitebeard: Marco.... don't let that boy die.
Marco: Roger!

sarutobi_sensei
September 23, 2009, 02:30 PM
Exactly, before Kuma was modified he was a Pirate, probably only after he got his title he became modified by Vegapunk.

Either way, he's one of the revolutionaries x)
[hr]

Looks like none of the Schichibukais really care about help the government.

and by the way this is epic
Yes my friend, that is indeed EPIC.

Every chapter of OP gives a new definition to epicness, on this chapter, that's it.

beastboy
September 23, 2009, 02:46 PM
18 here I think.. but I think in jap is 13 for the men and 14 for the women.. or something around that..

I was about to stop predicting manga when I predict that namikaze minato would appear..
So I want another lucky shot.. but this time with God...

so here it goes:
559
-Luffy goes on a rampage and is almost in the platform
-Marco steel fights Kizaru
-Boa stays were she is..
-Awessom cliff hanger (Black beard appears??)

And I won't say that something is eppic.. cause everything in One Piece is epic...

But I'm steel betting in a time time no mi... that would be indeed epic...

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 02:49 PM
Next reaction of everybody is when they see chibi Luffy.

I'm a bit disapointed with Kizaru :-) After his big words from yesterday, he didn't scratch one single escapee... Btw I wonder how Iva death wink can deflect his laser. This attack is definitly full of surprises.

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 02:49 PM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3919/protegon200.jpg
[top right]

Maybe because he is pacifista?

Nah, he used his paw paw fruit power already to ursus shock

DARK
September 23, 2009, 03:02 PM
Moria is using the same old bag of tricks. Using zombies in an area near seawater where even the slightest amount of it can purify them. My guess is that Moria isn't that smart.

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 03:04 PM
Well not everyone is supposed to know about their weakness. I wonder how Jinbei did

Razh
September 23, 2009, 03:06 PM
Moria is using the same old bag of tricks. Using zombies in an area near seawater where even the slightest amount of it can purify them. My guess is that Moria isn't that smart.

He used what he had at his disposal. And after all, the battle is near the sea. You can't call him stupid based on that.

Maybe the zombies weakness isn't that unknown among other Shichibukai and Marines.

DARK
September 23, 2009, 03:10 PM
He used what he had at his disposal. And after all, the battle is near the sea. You can't call him stupid based on that.

Maybe the zombies weakness isn't that unknown among other Shichibukai and Marines.

Whatever happened to Doppelman or the Tsuno-Tokage? I'm surprised that Moria is actually using zombies... Weak ass zombies in a battle alongside other Shichibukai and WB's pirates. Obviously the weakness was known considering that Jimbei was able to effortlessly defeat them with that method.

Razh
September 23, 2009, 03:18 PM
It's not like it's his best attack. It's probably effortless to him, and besides, he likes others to fight for him.

DARK
September 23, 2009, 03:28 PM
It's not like it's his best attack. It's probably effortless to him, and besides, he likes others to fight for him.

Obviously. Would have figure he'd use Doppleman instead.
It really doesn't matter. Zombies were just fodder anyway.

k-dom
September 23, 2009, 03:45 PM
The thing is that he only have one doppelman whereas there is probably many dead in the battle
what could be a good move to is still the shadow of pirates with doppleman (which can't be hurt) so that they die in the sunlight

Razh
September 23, 2009, 03:48 PM
I don't think that he can steal shadows that easily. He'd probably be the biggest threat on the battlefield if he could do it like that.

chess4
September 23, 2009, 03:49 PM
ok cool now we are starting to get some match ups. seems like jinbei will fight moria, and marco will fight kizaru.

so as for the WG's strongest fighters, the ones left are aokiji, akainu, sengoku, garp, mihawk, doflamingo, kuma, and boa.

boa is done for, she is lovestruck and will not harm luffy. garp is still holding his cards, and kuma and invankov seem to be friends of some sort. it still seems that the pirated have the advantage. only thing is, what ever the world government is planning it must be big.

hope we get to see buggy fight doflamingo. buggy has to gshine this arc, he is a perfect opponent for doflamingo. buggy is a rogers pirates, he is bound to do something great

BurnSchulz
September 23, 2009, 03:52 PM
WB: Marco.. dont let that one die...
Marco: Roger that.

My heart is jumping up and down...

I really LOVE this .

DARK
September 23, 2009, 04:01 PM
My heart is jumping up and down...

I really LOVE this .

WB takes interest in Luffy not only by his similarity with Shanks and Gold but also because he's Dragon's son. Yet he was also able to make a name out of himself.
I doubt Luffy is going to want protection from Marco.

Trafalgar
September 23, 2009, 04:05 PM
This chapter is epic but it could be even more epic if zoro joins the battle (i don't know how but i trust oda's imagination^^) in the 559...
Why zoro in particular? cause he's the vice captain, the first mate, a suprenova...He has to be in this battle of the strongests...
Maybe he'll fight mihawk, that would be AWEESSOMMMEEEEEE!!!!

Allright i admit it, i'm a zoro fan^^

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 04:11 PM
so now Luffy can crush giants like mosquitoes :XD

this quote

Luffy: I AM YOUR BROTHER!!!!
Ace flashback
Ace: Did you know? we drink from each other's sake cup... and we become brothers!
From this day on... we are brothers!!
and the whole conversation between Ace and Luffy makes Garp understand more and more why they've chosen that way.
he's just in the middle ... between the two brothers... and that smile make me believe that he won't stay idly anymore.

Lord Rayleigh
September 23, 2009, 04:20 PM
I wonder what is doing Crocodile in this chapter ? He is still on the Moby Dick, behind some WB pirates and very close to Luffy and Whitebeard.

SilversDKRayleigh
September 23, 2009, 04:25 PM
SO is Buggy going to give up on getting Luffy now?

chess4
September 23, 2009, 04:32 PM
SO is Buggy going to give up on getting Luffy now?

i dont think he will get a chance to. im sure he will get dragged into this war one way or another. buggy is considered one of the master minds behind the jail break so i dont think they will just let him walk out of there. plus buggy has to make his name bigger because shanks cant have any weak people on his team:p

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 04:36 PM
I wonder what is doing Crocodile in this chapter ? He is still on the Moby Dick, behind some WB pirates and very close to Luffy and Whitebeard.

WB does not give a s**t about him, I guess that he'll tell WB that when this war is over, they will settle their accounts with none bothering them.

Mr. Crocodile
September 23, 2009, 04:37 PM
I predict that Garp will eventually protect Luffy from an attack by Akainu, and the two of them will have a little skirmish while luffy goes directly against Sengoku..and then WB appears to protect him!! lol..not sure who can keep Aokiji occupied though.

BurnSchulz
September 23, 2009, 04:40 PM
WB takes interest in Luffy not only by his similarity with Shanks and Gold but also because he's Dragon's son. Yet he was also able to make a name out of himself.

I disagreee at this one point.
Because i dont think that WB is a man who got interests in someone because of their parents.
I think he got interests in Luffy because of his "spirit". - if you know what i mean

DARK
September 23, 2009, 04:42 PM
WB does not give a s**t about him, I guess that he'll tell WB that when this war is over, they will settle their accounts with none bothering them.

Luffy doesn't give two craps for WB either. He's only interacting with him because they both want to save Ace (and WB is an important person to Ace).

neomaster121
September 23, 2009, 04:50 PM
This chapter is epic but it could be even more epic if zoro joins the battle (i don't know how but i trust oda's imagination^^) in the 559...
Why zoro in particular? cause he's the vice captain, the first mate, a suprenova...He has to be in this battle of the strongests...
Maybe he'll fight mihawk, that would be AWEESSOMMMEEEEEE!!!!

Allright i admit it, i'm a zoro fan^^

lol yea i wish he was hear to be involved

i guess he'll get his limelight later in the story

Bugzee
September 23, 2009, 04:50 PM
Very exciting chapter, thanks for the spoilers! I have a few interesting ideas/views after reading the spoilers, ill wait to read the legit chapter and then ill enlighten you all (whether the fu*k you care or NOT!) lol

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 04:53 PM
how did that attack of Kirazu ended?
I can't see it well, but I guess Luffy dodged it.

this pic doesn't stop to amaze me, it resume a lot of stuff, Ace, WB's reaction and how he's standing watching how luffy's beating down giants, that smile of Garp (which means a lot to me)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2043/584790.jpg

Gimbo TJ
September 23, 2009, 04:53 PM
when u think about it Luffy is only doing what ace would have done in his place. If Ace hadnt comfronted BB back then then it (maybe)would have been luffy that was on that platform instead of ace about to be executed.
And because he is Dragons son it would have the same effect as ace being Rogers son or just as importent.
And I dont think Ace would have let his brother be executed before his eyes either, so Luffy is kinda just repaying the favour for "saving" his life from BB?

1nfamous
September 23, 2009, 04:55 PM
sengoku must of planned all this. I have a feeling sengoku knows half the pirates are DF users. Thats why he sent WG Df users away in different locations so they wont get hurt by sengokus plan. I think hes gonna bring in tons of sea stones to neutralize the whole battle field.

Of course luffy probably will spoil his plan. . . . . .

Razh
September 23, 2009, 05:06 PM
sengoku must of planned all this. I have a feeling sengoku knows half the pirates are DF users. Thats why he sent WG Df users away in different locations so they wont get hurt by sengokus plan. I think hes gonna bring in tons of sea stones to neutralize the whole battle field.


Did I miss something here?

Rotten The Wizard
September 23, 2009, 05:11 PM
how did that attack of Kirazu ended?
I can't see it well, but I guess Luffy dodged it.

this pic doesn't stop to amaze me, it resume a lot of stuff, Ace, WB's reaction and how he's standing watching how luffy's beating down giants, that smile of Garp (which means a lot to me)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2043/584790.jpg

it wasnt an attack, it was a distraction. The same technique he used on Hawkins


the funny thing about this situation is that if luffy and Ace's positions were switched the marines would be in MUCH MUCH deeper shit. We're talking Dragon, Shanks, Rayleigh, Ace and likely whitebeard cause whitebeard wouldnt let ace go to war alone =O luffy has way too many god connections(mind the Eneru pun)

beastboy
September 23, 2009, 05:17 PM
WoW.. ways to get this more epic, and not hurting the plot:
Rayleagh apearring
Enel falling from the moon
CP9 appearing in the war with a big big boost
Black Beard showing is plans..

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 05:31 PM
it wasnt an attack, it was a distraction. The same technique he used on Hawkins


the funny thing about this situation is that if luffy and Ace's positions were switched the marines would be in MUCH MUCH deeper shit. We're talking Dragon, Shanks, Rayleigh, Ace and likely whitebeard cause whitebeard wouldnt let ace go to war alone =O luffy has way too many god connections(mind the Eneru pun)

I'm getting exited by just thinking of it, Luffy has the bigwigs as allies, the WG won't be able to endure such a pressure.
Sengoku will commit suicide...

Chester86
September 23, 2009, 05:32 PM
Really nice Chapter..
You all got very good Ideas how the War could go on but..
None of thought about the highest Instance of the World Government, the GOROUSEI. I don't know what their Part in this War will be, but one Thing is for Sure:
They will definetely play a role in this war, i mean its the biggest war in One Piece History, I can't imagine that they will sit back,relax on watch on Screens how the war will continue

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 05:46 PM
yep, the aftermaths of this war would have a big impact in the world and the winner will have much to say from there onwards, but still BB has to make his entrance.

back on topic :

Dammit! The Goat doesn't appear in this chapter, i wanna see what this enigmatic animal can do. It might be the last one to stand against Luffy, it may have eaten some mythical zoan (unicorn :p)

MeramEranomi
September 23, 2009, 05:49 PM
or maybe it was cooked and eaten?

daman246
September 23, 2009, 05:50 PM
really nice chapter
just cant wait till the crew shows up again one piece still has alot of of secrets and enemies left first what are dragons plans and blackbeard too what do they wana acomplish

cachaco99
September 23, 2009, 06:05 PM
i got really bored and started writing. this should in no way be taken serious. i just felt like writing. i know its no where near as good as what oda could come up with but im practicing my writing and story telling. i like the end and thats about it to be honest

luffy gets really close to ace. around him are some crazy battles. people fighting everywhere. luffy gets close to oars jr.

luffy: hey i know you
oars jr: ???
luffy: oops wrong guy (notices he isnt oars)
oars jr: mugiwara save ace-gun (he talks funny remember) i could only make it this far until that bastard cut my leg off (doflamingo)
doflamingo: fufufufufufufu so youre the rookie everyones been talking about fufufufufu
oars jr tries to attack but gets his hand cut off instead. doflamingo's power is revealed.
oars jr: that bastard shichibukai stands in the way of ace-gun
luffy: ??? so he's a shichibukai. ok you pink bird bastard get out of my way.
marco being told to protect luffy is there. marco decides to fight doflamingo in luffy's place. moria tries to get to luffy but is being held back by jinbei. iva makes his way towards luffy while fighting. kizaru gets tied up with someone else. akainu shows up with his powers active and attempts to attack luffy. but he is saved by iva's death wink

luffy: who is this magma bastard?
iva: thats a marine admiral named akainu
luffy: so this is another admiral
akainu: i cant allow you to get closer strawhat
luffy: OUTTA MY WAY luffy shows a little haki
akainu: (thinking) this brat has this sort of power? he's going to be a problem in the future if we let him go as he pleases

luffy starts to attack but iva tells him to only focus on ace from here on

iva vs akakinu

on top of th platform sengoku and garp are talking.

sengoku: this family of yours is a problem garp
garp: (thinking) now what? i cant defend him. that idiot
sengoku: garp your orders are to take care of strawhat with your own hands
garp: ???///
sengoku: is there a problem?
garp: sorry luffy

and garp begins to attack luffy

luffy: stupid old man. how can you just sit there and watch ace die?
garp: i cant help it, he is a criminal
luffy: but he's family
garp: ...

aokiji puts his hands on garp and says this isnt the time and freezes garp so that garp and luffy wont have to fight.

luffy: this ice bastard again? im sorry but youre in the way
aokiji: am i now?

whitebeard orders his pirates and allies to back up luffy. more try to get there but are wiped out by mihawk.

whitebeard: looks like im up
mihawk: ... (doesnt say a word)

but jozu or jose shows up. round 2

whitebeard decides to go toward luffy is

ace: pops, luffy

whitebeard easily makes his way to luffy while other people are fighting other people.

whitebeard: well strawhat? having trouble you snot nosed brat
luffy: shut up old man
whitebeard: cheeky bastard. go on ahead. i'll take care of this popsicle.

whitebeard vs aokiji

luffy: ace im almost there
ace: you idiot i told you not to come here
sengoku: you realize i cant let you go now strawhat
luffy: who's this?
sengoku: i am the man in charge of executing your brother

luffy gets beyond pissed

out of no where we hear screams. darkness is enveloping the battle field. weaker men succumb to this and are destoryed leaving the more powerful to be on the field. blackbeard shows up with all the level 6 prisoners

prisoners: DEATH TO WHITEBEARD
blackbeard: zehahahahaha we've come to take your head "captain"
whitebeard: so you've show yourself

blackbeards main crew lines up. also the 3 legends are now apart of bb's crew. san juan wolf, basco shot, and catarina devon.

blackbeard: GO CREW TAKE WHITEBEARDS HEAD
prisoners: YEAAAAAAAH

even more choas break out

there were some things i wanted to add like shanks showing up and us getting to see shanks vs mihawk.

basically after the war is done im thinking iva will join the army again and report back everything that happened. about whitebeard's death, blackbeard showing up, things about luffy

then lufy gets his bounty raise and then i dont know how he is gonna get his crew back but maybe kuma appears with dragon and iva and he'll bring his crew back. robin is with dragon hearing everything thats happened and so on

Rotten The Wizard
September 23, 2009, 06:05 PM
I'm getting exited by just thinking of it, Luffy has the bigwigs as allies, the WG won't be able to endure such a pressure.
Sengoku will commit suicide...

no seriously LOL
I actually called Sengoku comiting suicide a while back. I thought the ID breakout would push im over the edge, seriously, Luffy has been a real pain in the ass for the goat man

beastboy
September 23, 2009, 06:13 PM
I just want to see luffy reaction to the goat.. I think luffy is going to stole the goat...
And right after that WB saves ace and orders retreat..
sengoku is pissed not only cause he lost.. but cause he can't no longer destroy paper....

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 06:32 PM
Just come out with an interesting point about Luffy, which was the last meal he has had??
this question might have a great impact on this war, cuz imagine if after all Luffy get to Ace and when he's about to unleash him, his stomach makes a sound and has no more energy left, then a simple marine come with a Kairouseki handcuffs and end of story, it would be terrible. :XD
or he may eat the goat, who knows? :p

kilm
September 23, 2009, 06:57 PM
Just come out with an interesting point about Luffy, which was the last meal he has had??

The last known meal seems to be when he ate a few days worth of provisions at Impel Down. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/539/03/

So the question is did he eat on the boat from Impel Down towards Marinford? And how long was that boat ride?

sarutobi_sensei
September 23, 2009, 06:59 PM
Poor goat it doesn't deserve being killed and eaten by luffy. No. It should be their new pet instead of Chopper xD

Anyway, I really wonder if we'll see some of the strawhats on this war, maybe someone has the power to teleport itself anywhere and get them.
[hr]
No he probably didn't. His last meal was in level 5.5, so he's fucked up right now.

And he doesn't have his bento!

But I think Iva's vigour and adrenaline hormones help him on this field.

chitgoks
September 23, 2009, 07:07 PM
WoW.. ways to get this more epic, and not hurting the plot:
Rayleagh apearring
Enel falling from the moon
CP9 appearing in the war with a big big boost
Black Beard showing is plans..

if cp9 were to appear, that would be real epic.. more epic than other powerful characters possibly appearing.

BurnSchulz
September 23, 2009, 07:07 PM
What
his last meal was just a few hours ago...
How on earth will he became hungry after less than half a day?

srsly guys...
u really think he need more than 1000lbs of food in 3-4 hours?

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 07:09 PM
Moria's face when he hears that Dragon's Luffy's daddy is ridiculous, man look at it, an eye's opened the other one 50/50 -_-;
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1765/585930.jpg

chitgoks
September 23, 2009, 07:10 PM
yep, the aftermaths of this war would have a big impact in the world and the winner will have much to say from there onwards, but still BB has to make his entrance.

back on topic :

Dammit! The Goat doesn't appear in this chapter, i wanna see what this enigmatic animal can do. It might be the last one to stand against Luffy, it may have eaten some mythical zoan (unicorn :p)

or the goat could be just a prop like lucci's pigeon

Anusnymous
September 23, 2009, 07:10 PM
What
his last meal was just a few hours ago...
How on earth will he became hungry after less than half a day?

srsly guys...
u really think he need more than 1000lbs of food in 3-4 hours?

Yes, he fought after he ate all the stuff, so it's possible that he's hungry yet again. It doesn't matter anyway whether Luffy is hungry or not because the hormones Ivankov gave him should overshadow this.

Natsu Dragonil
September 23, 2009, 07:13 PM
I wonder what Dragon did that strong chracters are fearing him more than WB.
Sengoku revealed Luffys bloodline to make the fighter more eager to stop Luffy but it seems that the opposite was reached cause most of them sees not to want and hurt dragons son.

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 07:17 PM
What
his last meal was just a few hours ago...
How on earth will he became hungry after less than half a day?

srsly guys...
u really think he need more than 1000lbs of food in 3-4 hours?

you seems not familiar with Luffy or don't know him very well :facepalm

I guess we should stop this, cuz for now it is off topic (only Spoilers Discussion) :tem
( it feels good to play mod :p)

BurnSchulz
September 23, 2009, 07:34 PM
you seems not familiar with Luffy or don't know him very well :facepalm

I guess we should stop this, cuz for now it is off topic (only Spoilers Discussion) :tem
( it feels good to play mod :p)

Stop saying that :mad

i know one piece since 2003 (first time it was in TV at Germany)
But there was NEVER
NEVER a fight what depends on his stomach...
Not as in Dragonball i wont see any possibility that he will became weak just of being hungry
That will be real lame
(Also he eats realy much just a couple of ours or less ago)

But i agree: An Arguement about his possible stomach condition is way to off topic...

But if you ask me. I see more Flashback moments there.
Like the Day Ace left to be a Pirate 3 Years ago. !!!

bittman
September 23, 2009, 07:41 PM
I wonder what Dragon did that strong chracters are fearing him more than WB.
Sengoku revealed Luffys bloodline to make the fighter more eager to stop Luffy but it seems that the opposite was reached cause most of them sees not to want and hurt dragons son.

Well Whitebeard may be the strongest man in the world, but Dragon is the most dangerous. What that equates to is Dragon being an active threat to the WG with an army probably large enough to make Whitebeard's 1600 crew + New World comrades look like a joke.

I mean, if you think about Alabasta having an army of over 1 million, and then think that Dragon possibly has control of a collection of countries, some of which are probably Alabasta's size, it's no small force he's probably running.

So though executing Ace may "Spark a war", it's a local war that the WG will only have to fight once over Ace in a direct power showdown.

If Luffy was getting executed, Dragon would have his army attacking on many fronts in many forms of warfare such as espionage, direct battle, blockades, siege's, infiltrations, sabotage, etc. The battles would not end even if Luffy was dead, whereas if Ace died, WB would go on a small RAGE-ATTACK!!!! but ultimately would be unable to sustain a war for as long.

Rotten The Wizard
September 23, 2009, 08:16 PM
Well Whitebeard may be the strongest man in the world, but Dragon is the most dangerous. What that equates to is Dragon being an active threat to the WG with an army probably large enough to make Whitebeard's 1600 crew + New World comrades look like a joke.

I mean, if you think about Alabasta having an army of over 1 million, and then think that Dragon possibly has control of a collection of countries, some of which are probably Alabasta's size, it's no small force he's probably running.

So though executing Ace may "Spark a war", it's a local war that the WG will only have to fight once over Ace in a direct power showdown.

If Luffy was getting executed, Dragon would have his army attacking on many fronts in many forms of warfare such as espionage, direct battle, blockades, siege's, infiltrations, sabotage, etc. The battles would not end even if Luffy was dead, whereas if Ace died, WB would go on a small RAGE-ATTACK!!!! but ultimately would be unable to sustain a war for as long.
and that my friend is why Sengoku never made the call on luffy
Theres no other reason why he wouldnt send an admiral or atleast a small platoon after such a troublesome grew, especially knowing his lineage

Max Mojito
September 23, 2009, 08:30 PM
sooo is it confirmed that the giant that got pwned is a VA, the 1 with the mask called Larrox or something that whitebeard smashed was a VA, but i maybe think that this giant was just part of the giant sqaud and not a VA, even tho i wish he was

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 08:34 PM
and that my friend is why Sengoku never made the call on luffy
Theres no other reason why he wouldnt send an admiral or atleast a small platoon after such a troublesome grew, especially knowing his lineage


this makes him looks like a good strategist (don't go after Luffy) but it's obvious -_-;
unless he's acting stupid to stay out of the sight of others but deep down he's a great strategist, although this strategy itself is stupid...
are you able to get my point?:tem

zerocooldx
September 23, 2009, 08:40 PM
Is it just me or do Iva and Kuma seem to know each other? This relationship could end up being both, pretty telling and interesting.

sarutobi_sensei
September 23, 2009, 08:44 PM
What
his last meal was just a few hours ago...
How on earth will he became hungry after less than half a day?

srsly guys...
u really think he need more than 1000lbs of food in 3-4 hours?

Lol, luffy ate on the Puffing Tom and after he fought Blueno he ate again x)

So yeah, after battles he eats and if he's with a full stomach he fights better x)

But since Iva used his vigor and Adrenaline boost hormones he will only stop on the day after all this.


Is it just me or do Iva and Kuma seem to know each other? This relationship could end up being both, pretty telling and interesting.
Yeah Iva implies that he and Kuma are acquaintances

yoichi-san
September 23, 2009, 09:10 PM
and that my friend is why Sengoku never made the call on luffy
Theres no other reason why he wouldnt send an admiral or atleast a small platoon after such a troublesome grew, especially knowing his lineage

I guess he just noticed his bloodline. Well maybe after Garp let him fled after the Water 7 Arc? Sengoku did send Kuma. Well who knows. Maybe the marines are just trying to not mess with Dragon. I mean they already have so many ppl on their sleeves now. They got Whitebeard wanting to attack them and they have Shanks vs Kaidou on the sea. If they were to try to eliminate Luffy and accidentally draw Dragon into the scene they'd be screwed

zerocooldx
September 23, 2009, 09:16 PM
Yeah, Luffy is only alive because of his family. If the marines were to kill him then they would have Dragon and even Garp going after them. If you think about it, Luffy is even more protected than Ace.

Black Lagoon
September 23, 2009, 09:22 PM
sooo is it confirmed that the giant that got pwned is a VA, the 1 with the mask called Larrox or something that whitebeard smashed was a VA, but i maybe think that this giant was just part of the giant sqaud and not a VA, even tho i wish he was
I dont think so, look carefully ... he's carrying some thing (seems like a prehistorical Mace)
and look at this, none of the VA's carrying such a thing
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000211552/10-11.jpg

Tomgoood01
September 24, 2009, 12:27 AM
I dont think so, look carefully ... he's carrying some thing (seems like a prehistorical Mace)
and look at this, none of the VA's carrying such a thing
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000211552/10-11.jpg

What you trying to say that pic are the only Vice adrmirlas in the Marines. There is Garp ,tsuru, yamakaji, komir, John Giant for examples. also to be more obvious when that giant fell from WB attack the the marines yelled out for him as Vcie admrial Ronse. Please do some reseach before you make a statement like that!

elitefox
September 24, 2009, 12:58 AM
I just can't get enough of the spoilers, though I can't say it for naruto and bleach :D

luffy will shorten after that attack right? and his hands is even bigger than a whole giant damn, if he can only connect that with kizaru :D lol flattened lightbulb

captain simple
September 24, 2009, 01:45 AM
Well Whitebeard may be the strongest man in the world, but Dragon is the most dangerous. What that equates to is Dragon being an active threat to the WG with an army probably large enough to make Whitebeard's 1600 crew + New World comrades look like a joke.

I mean, if you think about Alabasta having an army of over 1 million, and then think that Dragon possibly has control of a collection of countries, some of which are probably Alabasta's size, it's no small force he's probably running.

So though executing Ace may "Spark a war", it's a local war that the WG will only have to fight once over Ace in a direct power showdown.

If Luffy was getting executed, Dragon would have his army attacking on many fronts in many forms of warfare such as espionage, direct battle, blockades, siege's, infiltrations, sabotage, etc. The battles would not end even if Luffy was dead, whereas if Ace died, WB would go on a small RAGE-ATTACK!!!! but ultimately would be unable to sustain a war for as long.

Don't let your fanboy enthusiasm get the better of you. Garp said there are 3 world powers. The Shichi, the Marines, Yonkou. They never said the revolutionaries. I believe the reason being is because they liberate countries, not take them over. They are revolutionaries. I don't know if they have many people that would fight for their cause.

BTW Dragon obviously can't take out the WG (yet) with just his organization otherwise he would have. One things for sure, if his crew showed up, the WG would be in a lot of trouble. Also, I doubt he would put the organization at risk because Luffy was getting executed. He would try to save him probably.

deffkryz
September 24, 2009, 03:26 AM
OMG... Look at those guys raising their capes!!! So Brook finally gets to see some pants!! :faint

And did you notice Mihawk's eyes after Sengoku told the audience about Luffy being Dragon's son? I've never seen him that shocked, have we? :s

Oh, and BTW. Let's not forget about where Luffy was beaten in Impel Down - he looked for food on Level 4... While I don't think that is a matter right now because of Iva-san's Vigorous Hormones from back in ID, I believe Luffy wouldn't decline a plate of meat right now since this is clearly his "spinach".

k-dom
September 24, 2009, 03:34 AM
Do you understand it like Brook saved the girl that was kidnapped ?

Akainu
September 24, 2009, 03:37 AM
I rather think he still has to save her, that's why he got men-panties (is that his new muse?) and is writing some musci now - seems like Oda is going into a musical direction with his attacks =3

BlackHair
September 24, 2009, 03:54 AM
As I predicted, WB is not moving yet. ;P

Anyway, I agree with both bittman (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1588991&postcount=202) and captain simple (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1589419&postcount=213).

Yes it was said the 3 great powers of the world are the Yonko, MHQ, and the 7Gods. But the MHQ and the Sichibukai are powers which are working or which belong to the WG. At the same time they are not "directly" included in the power balance. In my opinion the reason for that is that the WG is a political power which is formed by over 170 Nations and not a fighting power like the other. But technically they are the greatest power in the world, since they control most of the world and 2 of the greet great powers belong to them.

We were told by Robin that Dragon's revolution army is a direct threat for them. Revolutions are done by taking out the former government and those who represented it (King, Royal familiy etc). So for example lets say Corsa's revolution army of Alabsata was part of Dragon's organisation. Then those men would be part of Dragon's army. And if they had succeeded, then Alabasta (led by Corsa) would be part of the revolution army of Dragon's and not anymore one of the 170 Nations of the WG. I know this is not the case, Im just making an example. I explained in this post, how I believe the revoltion system in the one piece world is working. (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1578148&postcount=383)

But as captain simple correctly said, the revolutions army isn't powerful enough to take out the WG, otherwise they would have.

Akaii
September 24, 2009, 04:20 AM
i don't think revolution army in one piece is based on the idea of global domination or warefare more or less towards a political movement to free countless countries from the puppet control of WG (the criminal organisation from 900 years) hence war is simply a way to subjugate the opossition towards the revolution of the new thinking and truth or something along those lines..i suppose we will know more once we know more about void century....

BlackHair
September 24, 2009, 04:38 AM
i suppose we will know more once we know more about void century....Yes indeed. At this point we can only make assumption... we need more information in how the whole system works.

Anyway, about the chapter. I was somehow expecting more. Can't really tell what is missing. But Garp sure is made as whimsy in the last couple of chapter. Not that I don't understand is position.. but c'mon. He is the damn carefree Ironfirst. Go beat the crap out of Sengoku. Also Buggy seriously.. that guy for Gorusai :P

predsfan
September 24, 2009, 04:40 AM
Awesome chapter. Now the whole world knows Luffy's Dragon's son. I loved the shocked faces, and Hancock looked cute as usual :p.

Anyways, the thing I found interesting in this chapter is even though Gear 3 makes Luffy's giant and extremely hard, he can still do the Gomu Gomu no Rifle. Isn't that the one where he twists his arm up as he stretches it. I didn't think it would possible in Gear 3.

And I guess Brook is composing a new attack? One of the guys is pointing like saying "Shouldn't you go save her?" And only Zoro's left. So I guess in 3 more chapters (barring no color spreads) we'll know if Oda is going to expand more on the side stories or if two pages per character is all we are going to get until they show up in the actual chapters themselves.

Poneglyph420
September 24, 2009, 05:08 AM
Yes indeed. At this point we can only make assumption... we need more information in how the whole system works.

Anyway, about the chapter. I was somehow expecting more. Can't really tell what is missing. But Garp sure is made as whimsy in the last couple of chapter. Not that I don't understand is position.. but c'mon. He is the damn carefree Ironfirst. Go beat the crap out of Sengoku. Also Buggy seriously.. that guy for Gorusai :P

I really liked that we finally see Luffy in action and the Jailbreak crew is out!
I wanna know why Iva us acquainted with Kuma...??
More signs Kuma could have a connection to the Revolutionaries..
Also really awesome that WB asked Marco to protect Luffy..

We also get a few match ups and more famous Oda building........

I also want to se more out of Garp.. But knowing he we will lose his position and possibly his life, of course he's conflicted. It's good it's not overly impulsive.

I'm hoping we can see what Sengoku has planned....
Still watching Luffy show up and kick ass is amazing for me...

BlackHair
September 24, 2009, 05:12 AM
Yes I forgot about Iva and Kuma. I know it's not official, but hell for me its enough: Kuma is a member of Dragon's organisation, hence a "spy".

Iva: "I get that you wanna keep you title as a SHICHIBUKAI.."

Black Lagoon
September 24, 2009, 06:01 AM
What you trying to say that pic are the only Vice adrmirlas in the Marines. There is Garp ,tsuru, yamakaji, komir, John Giant for examples. also to be more obvious when that giant fell from WB attack the the marines yelled out for him as Vcie admrial Ronse. Please do some reseach before you make a statement like that!

Please reread my post (quote included) before you make a statement like that, first I said look carefully and then look at this (I think it's obvious i was talking about 2 pic) if you check what I quoted, you'll find that Max Mojito was talking about this pic (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/55055/15), so I've posted this pic (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000211552/10-11.jpg) to tell him it wasn't a VA.
your advise turned against you...

ScorpionGR
September 24, 2009, 06:08 AM
great chapter as always ... anyway why whitebeard told to marco to protect luffy .. because he heard luffy is dragon son ... or because of ace ..

Black Lagoon
September 24, 2009, 06:14 AM
great chapter as always ... anyway why whitebeard told to marco to protect luffy .. because he heard luffy is dragon son ... or because of ace ..

because of being Luffy, IMO nothing related neither with Dragon nor with Ace :XD

sarutobi_sensei
September 24, 2009, 06:21 AM
great chapter as always ... anyway why whitebeard told to marco to protect luffy .. because he heard luffy is dragon son ... or because of ace ..


because of being Luffy, IMO nothing related neither with Dragon nor with Ace :XD

Exactly, Luffy earned WB's respect, or @ least something compared to respect, by saying what he said.

Luffy's just like that.

ScorpionGR
September 24, 2009, 06:24 AM
in the anime it say dragons is the worst traitor man in the world and here i read is the most dangerous man anyway kuma story is starting to get interesting ..
.. finally we gonna see zorooo at cover story .... i think kuma sent PX-1 at the same place where zoro is and we gonna see zoro defeating him .... or to get all the pain out ...

Black Lagoon
September 24, 2009, 06:30 AM
Exactly, Luffy earned WB's respect, or @ least something compared to respect, by saying what he said.

Luffy's just like that.

somehow he's seeing Roger in him, last time i've made a possible conversation between WB and Roger (which is the same as the one between Luffy and WB)

Roger : hey!! big mustache (:p), I heard you wanna be the pirate king, right? well, I'm gonna tell you something, and you better keep it in mind mustache, I'm gonna be the pirate King , so forget your dream and opens a restaurant as Red-Leg (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/thumb/3/33/Zeff1.jpg/250px-Zeff1.jpg) did...
WB : you Son of a ... (*speechless*)... f**king bastard, are you gonna tell me what to do and what not?? :XD

gesgift
September 24, 2009, 06:34 AM
great chapter as always ... anyway why whitebeard told to marco to protect luffy .. because he heard luffy is dragon son ... or because of ace ..

If Ace's brother was a wimp, WB probably wouldn't sent a captain to watch his back (although he's still the WB and protects his nakama). I think Luffy especially made a good first impression by showing his persistence to save his bro himself, whitout fearing anything or anyone!

sarutobi_sensei
September 24, 2009, 06:39 AM
Yup, that's just who Luffy is.

So who do you think that'll fight Akainu?

Black Lagoon
September 24, 2009, 06:44 AM
If Ace's brother was a wimp, WB probably wouldn't sent a captain to watch his back (although he's still the WB and protects his nakama). I think Luffy especially made a good first impression by showing his persistence to save his bro himself, whitout fearing anything or anyone!

Exactly, you nailed it :tem

after knocking that giant he will be in a great danger, because now he's very small, like an ant in a battlefield.
but wait ... wait, now he has Marco's divine protection :XD

Akainu
September 24, 2009, 06:50 AM
I'm tempted to ask why you think he is in danger when he is small...
sure his attacks wouldn't be the same, but his evasive power would be a lot higher, meaning: being an ant in a battlefield they wont get him easily.
That btw. is the diffrence between Oars III. and Luffy, Oars was too big ot break through, while Luffy could become even smaller and slip under their radar, especially with a commander guarding him, which in turn is simply amazing.

Natsu Dragonil
September 24, 2009, 06:56 AM
Well its not like Marco can watch Luffys back all the time.He will get attacked form a strong enemy for sure.So it would be fatal for Luffy if he would turn into chibi luffy.

So it seems like Iva will have to hold Kizaru busy so that Luffy can advance forward.I'm dissapointed that it seems that Jinbei is going to fight Moria,still hoping that he will got another opponent.

For me its clear that WB will have to fight Sengoku but both seem to wait for the other one to make a mistake.

Luffy will free Ace and then we will see a tag-team from both against Akainu.

Black Lagoon
September 24, 2009, 07:03 AM
I'm tempted to ask why you think he is in danger when he is small...
sure his attacks wouldn't be the same, but his evasive power would be a lot higher, meaning: being an ant in a battlefield they wont get him easily.
That btw. is the diffrence between Oars III. and Luffy, Oars was too big ot break through, while Luffy could become even smaller and slip under their radar, especially with a commander guarding him, which in turn is simply amazing.

LOL :XD
well, seeing it that way all are advantage.
when I said he will be in a great danger I was thinking about Lucci and how did it go then?
but your idea is awesome :XD

Superman
September 24, 2009, 07:50 AM
Hmmn id say that kuma sent him and the rest flying to keep them from disturbing the meeting but i have no idea why he would send them to islands which would help them all progress. ALso why would he send them flying when kizaru clearly had them beaten??? Something does not add up about that kuma im telling u.

We all know that now luffy has the capability to fight an admiral and win, all he needs to learn is to control his "willpower" as thats the prefered english translation. I mean seriously he is learning to control it better and the way luffy learns best is through fights, the more he fights the stronger he becomes the more hell learn to control this new "power". My guess is that he will fight with an admiral soo will marco and maybe whitebeard. Before you all say WHY WHITEBEARD FIGHTING AN ADMIRAL I do not believe that sengoku is ALL THAT ... seriously hes a tactitioner he doesnt have to be "strong" to lead the Marines (some relevent strength but not overpowering the admirals, would not take my word or this but i could be graverly wrong).

The strawhats are in some way imprtant and dangerous to the future so Kuma saved them from Kizaru and he send them on those different islands to make them stronger, dammit!

And somehow a lot of people misunderstand the strengh of Haki!
Its like people think, that if Luffy can control his current Haki, he can even kick Whitebeards ass!!! THAT IS WRONG! ITS WRONG, ITS WRONG, ITS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How the hell do you think Luffy can stomp an motherfucking admiral with his current strenght?! He is nothing against Kizaru!!! Even if Kizaru wouldn`t have his light fruit or any fruit, he would fuck up Luffy like shit! Im trying to say, that the light-ossan is physically strong as well. It would be laughable if he wouldnt!
And with light fruit hes even stronger, so no, Luffy would patheticly die in an one on one fight!! Only because he has King Haki he cant fight equal with an admiral right now that would be pathetically disappointing and would ruin the whole manga!!!

Anyway i can tell from what you are saying that you are reading Bleach and Naruto!!!


He could control it, in ID when he knock out the wolfs that where atacking him and bon-chan HE WAS CONTROLLED FROM EMOTIONS!! HE DIDNT HAD ANY CONTOLL OVER THAT!!! YOU SHOULD REALIZE THAT BY JUST LOOKING AT THE PICS!!!!

Anyway! Is the manga out already???

k-dom
September 24, 2009, 07:52 AM
In fact Iva send a death wink at luffy so that it makes him flew away from kizaru laser. I'm not sure she is able to stop him like Rayleigh did

Superman
September 24, 2009, 08:00 AM
How is bear a mythical zoan? :(

If he is a bear, which I really doubt, that what's up with the whole dog theme? I don't buy it.

Maybe he is a...dog throwing bear or something!!!! God thats so stupid! Another idea please:D:D:D A MANDOGBEAR now thats mytical isnt it!!! Or he is a Dragon!!

Razh
September 24, 2009, 08:04 AM
Well its not like Marco can watch Luffys back all the time.He will get attacked form a strong enemy for sure.So it would be fatal for Luffy if he would turn into chibi luffy.


Luffy's chibi time is equal to the time he spends in Gear 3. So he'll probably won't be chibi for more than 10 seconds, if he used it only to take down the giant.

Superman
September 24, 2009, 08:12 AM
HOLY S**T!! EPIC CHAPTER AGAIN
LOVE THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN LUFFY AND ACE :XD
AND GARP IS SMILING LIKE IF HE ALWAYS KNEW THOSE TWO LITTLE BRATS ARE DESTINED TO BE GREAT PIRATES... :XD

and calling this chapter "epic" is an understatement

..................................????..................Epic..............????????? When i say "LUFFY" or "ACE" you say "EPIC" aint i right??!!!! Thats a good chapter as always but to see even the word epic as an understatement is a little......wait are you gay and want to see Luffy ripping his clothes off and save Ace??? Or you think ACE is cute and love him in your dreams. So please i dont wanna offend you but that chapter is not Epic unless you are gay!!! He is just talking with his brother so nothing we dont know yet!!! Epic pffff thats weird and soooo not fitting into this chapter!

gesgift
September 24, 2009, 08:14 AM
In fact Iva send a death wink at luffy so that it makes him flew away from kizaru laser. I'm not sure she is able to stop him like Rayleigh did

Iva seems to have 'lesser power' then Ray-san, but she still seems to have lots of qualities. I wonder how Luffy will advance, and when akainu will attack...

The reason they aren't all attacking all together has probably to do with Sengoku's plan. I don't know if Sengoku's plan can be crossed by Luffy, probably by BB.

cachaco99
September 24, 2009, 09:00 AM
i think with this arc the 3 powers are gonna fall or maybe just take a major hit. think about it

whitebeard might die
either shanks and/or kaidou are gonna get injured fighting

2/3 of the yonkou have taken taken a hit leaving one heathly yonkou we dont even know about

jinbei is no longer a shichibukai
blackbeard might be stripped of his title for what happened in impel down
hancock might be caught out with helping luffy and have her title taken
kuma has a relation with dragon in some way and it might be that he's a spy

mihawk doesnt look like he's doing anything bad
doflamingo will just use the marines and do all sorts or bad things so he'll want his title
moria isnt doing much but could be stripped of his title cuz he wants to be pirate king

crocodile could be invited back if the marines are desperate to fill the shichibukai again but unlikely

4/5 of the shichibukai might not be there anymore

and lastly the marines

this war is gonna leave them with a major hit, i dont think the admirals will die but vice admirals are another story.

garp might do something and be considered an out law. thats about it

by the end of this arc the 3 powers might be destroyed only leaving room for the new generation like luffy, ace, kid, law (they could even make a new yonkou with these 4)

Akaii
September 24, 2009, 09:01 AM
whichever plan sengoku might have WB might already have planned something in a way which could be considered equal...perhaps even accounting the new intel he got from luffy..now the main question is what exactly are those plans by those two..in order to find that we have to keep reading op....:( waiting every week for a chap~ which is by the way awesome and epic from each week

deffkryz
September 24, 2009, 09:25 AM
I don't know if Sengoku's plan can be crossed by Luffy, probably by BB.

BB was still at Impel Down right before the fight broke out so he can't prevent Sengoku from succeeding since the battle has been taken place in less than five hours so far.

We know that it takes about five hours from ID to MHQ from chapters 541p7
He isn't interested at all in taking place within that fight - otherwise he would have stayed in the MHQ
He just got back on his feet when the jailbreakers already captured a marine vessel and were on the Tarai Current.


So - there's no need to expect BB to show up.

gold349
September 24, 2009, 09:37 AM
sengoku may have made his ultimate/big mistake, letting out Luffy is Dragons son, now, soon enough that could make world news and if Dragon gets a whif of it...he is coming down, the marines will surely be doomed if that happens...Dragon meeting Luffy, coming to this war is real possible now.


where are the spoiler pics now?


Where can you see/down. the scan version?

raw is out check 1st post.

dogfood911
September 24, 2009, 09:47 AM
Sengoku's plan is having all of Luffy's nakama captured, and tied up in front of Ace.This will cause Luffy to make a hard decision.

Lord Rayleigh
September 24, 2009, 10:10 AM
Luffy's chibi time is equal to the time he spends in Gear 3. So he'll probably won't be chibi for more than 10 seconds, if he used it only to take down the giant.
Was it said in a SBS because I do not remember that ?

d3death
September 24, 2009, 10:17 AM
he said that during fight with lucci i guess..

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/423/04/

mp44chris
September 24, 2009, 10:32 AM
....
2/3 of the yonkou have taken...
they are 4s, yonkou=are the 4 great pirates who rule the second half of the Grand Line.
from onepiece.wikia.com

List of Pirate Emperors

1. "Red-Haired" Shanks
2. Edward Newgate ("Whitebeard")
3. Kaidou
4. Unknown

United_Ummah
September 24, 2009, 11:19 AM
My theory is that the goat will join the mugiwaras :)

taimoor2
September 24, 2009, 11:32 AM
Whitebeard: Marco don't you dare let this boy die.
Marco: Roger that!

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If whitebeard dies, Marco may join the strawhats to "prevent him from dying!" He could be the trainer! Of course, it might be too much for the crew but it might happen.