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The Underscore
September 17, 2009, 01:16 PM
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374 Grey Wolves, Red Blood, Black Clothes, White Bones

Hey there everyone, welcome to yet another Bleach review with chapter 374 in the spotlight this week. With an early release this week and my total lack of motivation towards my homework assignments I am also able to write this review a bit sooner than usual -remember kids, do your homework before you have fun- though this may come back to me one way or another. But I’ll deal with those consequences after dealing with this chapter. So using the early SleepyFans scanlation -thanks to them for the quick release- I’ll go over this week’s chapter, but not before going over last week’s poll.


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Poll Results

So this week’s chapter revealed Starrk’s assailant, whom turned out to be someone I wasn’t expecting at all, though I wanted to see what you guys would predict in last week’s poll. There should be another day left for the poll at the time I’m writing this, but as I doubt people would wait to read the chapter until they vote in this poll I’ll just go with the current results consisting of 40 voters.
So of the eight options, two were apparently seen as even less likely than the Butler attacking Starrk, being Yoruichi and Hacchi. Apparently people thought it would be impossible for Yoruichi to suddenly show up like that -can’t blame anyone for that- though one person was hoping she might -can’t blame him/her either- though there was also just one person who thought Hacchi might have taken the time to join the battle against the Primera Espada. Another contender who scored lower than one would expect, with two votes, was Rose using a follow up attack or his Bankai. Even though Kubo couldn’t have built up the tension as much as he has right now if it would have been Rose, the odds of him being the attacker were still there as I explained last week. There were three people, however, who thought the shifty Shinji would have played a part in the surprise attack as he has the qualifications to do such a thing.
Then in fourth place, five voters better versed in detective novels figured this was a case of a classic “the Butler did it” plot. Though none of these voters were able to say who this butler would be, they didn’t leave out the possibility.
Third place was for Ukitake to make a miraculous comeback with six voters who may have thought along the same lines as I did thinking it may have been a physical diversion of his own damage. Or maybe they were hoping to see Ukitake so they could find peace in the knowing he is still alive.
In second place there were eight voters who just didn’t know! With all the people around in the fake Karakura town, the people suddenly popping up or having the opportunity to pop up, it was difficult enough to make a list of plausible options. But then there were fourteen voters who were sure that it was who they thought it would be. Some of these gave their thoughts on the culprit behind the stabbed Espada, though I mercilessly shot those ideas down -with mercy of course. And in the end my predictions were wrong once more -as they should be- as it turned out that the culprit is none other than…!


Solving the Mystery
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And here we were complaining because the suspense was killing us

The battered Rose and Love look up surprised as they see the Primera Espada looking down at the blade sticking out of his body. Where his look was surprised at the end of last week’s chapter, he starts to grimace at the display of a rather familiar looking blade. So with the conditions of last week’s chapter set, the chapter proceeds with revealing the true culprit starting with the strangely familiar looking blade. The blade retracts into the shadows as Starrk looks around at what is happening. Following his own shadow, Starrk sees the person who attacked him rising from the shadow, quite literally at that.


The Culprit
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It’s the pervert Captain, with a Zanpakutou, in the Shadow

How wrong could I have been by deciding that Kyouraku wouldn’t be someone to attack from the shadows? Based on the previous chapters with Kyouraku I deduced that his Zanpakutou would be based on the wind element aimed at deceiving his opponents. At least the deceiving part wasn’t too far off target, though I was the one who became the victim of Katen Kyokotsu’s deceptive ability. As Kyouraku rises from the shadow coming face to face with his opponent again, Starrk is the one to utter the surprise at the fact that Kyouraku has the ability to appear from the shadows like that. So why would Kyouraku not use the ability to transport himself through the shadows while firing gusts of wind at his opponent? It turns out the attack Kageoni wasn’t available to him as his Katen Kyokotsu wasn’t in the mood, which of course means he wouldn’t be able to do such a thing.


Let the Games Begin!
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Fighting the Primera Espada like it’s child’s play…

So what does the Flower Sky, Crazy Bones, or better known as Katen Kyokotsu do exactly? It can make children’s games turn into reality! I won’t be able to give a decent explanation beyond what has been explained in the chapter on these games as they differ greatly from the children’s games I grew up with. But I’ll see how far I can manage. After releasing the Katen Kyokotsu, an area is created from Kyouraku’s Reiatsu in which the rules created by Katen Kyokotsu apply to both himself as well as anyone else who enters. The Takaoni attack we witnessed a few chapters back was based on a child’s game where the one who is in the highest place wins. The Kageoni attack that surprised us all, on the other hand, is based on a game where the one to step on a shadow loses. The latter game seems strange to me as I used to play a game of tag where the purpose was to step on other’s shadows, just to explain why I won’t be able to give a more decent explanation or any predictions on Kyouraku’s abilities as I just don’t know these games.
So Katen Kyokotsu creates a zone in which everything goes according to its rules based on children’s games, affecting reality itself in the progress. But the most important rule that stays in place is that if you win, you live, and that if you lose, you die. That sounds fair doesn’t it? Kyouraku then let’s us know that he finds Katen Kyokotsu’s rules to be quite bothersome as they affect him as well, but at least he loves his Zanpakutou nonetheless. You’d figure that someone who keeps being pushed around by someone with more authority wouldn’t do the same to others, though Kyouraku happily does the same to poor Nanao as we could see in chapter 105 where he forced her to throw flower petals for him. Leaving the hypocritical behavior of Kyouraku aside, he resumes the game of Kageoni as he stabs into the shadow. But this time Starrk is prepared as he flees into the sky.


Twister with a Twist
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The lone wolf finally gets to play like the other kids

As Starrk leaps into the sky, old thoughts of loneliness come to mind. But he is unable to reminisce too long as Kyouraku charges at him. Starrk then forms a (pair of) sword(s) made of Reiatsu in the shape of his sealed Zanpakutou -if memory serves me right- (from his guns**), guarding himself from Kyouraku’s assault. Kyouraku then starts another game, this time the Irooni -color demon if guessed right- with the color grey. He then strikes Starrk’s right arm with enough force to cut off the arm, only to result in a shallow wound. In spite of the -according to his senses- severe pain, Starrk shows off the analytical ability we saw when he started to fight Kyouraku as he notices there is a new game name (Irooni), the color grey was mentioned, he’s got gray arms, and that Kyouraku has no grey on him. Kyouraku then urges Starrk to pick a color as it is his turn now. Starrk reacts by calling the color white, surprising Kyouraku by his sudden increase in speed as Starrk is the one to do a back attack this time.

** I just glanced over the chapter again, Starrk only drew one sword at this point and it was made in the same way as the wolves by taking Reiatsu from his ammunition belt. That's what you get for being too hasty :darn


Legalized Gambling
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Good thing you weren’t facing a Quincy

Unable to dodge the attack entirely, Kyouraku is hit by the Espada’s attack. But in spite of the wound being relatively shallow, it suddenly becomes even bigger in a moment’s notice. Kyouraku then starts to praise Starrk for his ability to analyze the game in one go as Kyouraku explains the rules for Irooni -Wonderweiss probably would have had some trouble with this game. Irooni has a player choose a color during his turn which he is allowed to attack, the power of the attack then in turn is affected by the amount of color that same color the attacking player has in proportion to the defending player. Meaning that if Starrk chose blue -assuming neither one of them has anything blue on them- Starrk’s attack wouldn’t have done any damage at all, as seen by the fact that Kyouraku wasn’t able to do a lot of damage based on the color gray. Based on Kyouraku’s counter attack, it seems that the area which is attacked doesn’t have to be the same color as was chosen, so as long as he has anything white on him he can still attack a black area and do the same amount of damage.
One thing to note about Katen Kyokotsu is the fact that it actually dominates the attack forms available to Kyouraku from what we have heard here. Where most Shinigami appear to be able to use their Zanpakutou’s abilities as much as they want under the conditions such as the Shikai and the Bankai form, Kyouraku’s Katen Kyokotsu decides how the ability manifests. I say how it manifests instead of which ability he is allowed to use as I hypothesize that Katen Katen Kyokotsu’s ability is that of manipulation of reality bound by certain rules -in this case Children’s games- where the chosen set of rules decide what can be manipulated within an area based on Kyouraku’s Reiatsu. Though the games chosen by Katen Kyoukotsu are probably influenced by Kyouraku to some extend, the impressive thing on Kyouraku’s part is the fact that he’s able to communicate with his Zanpakutou during the battle to figure out which rules apply at that time. Perhaps he is constantly conversing with his Zanpakutou while it is being released or maybe it is something he’s learned to do through experience, but it is impressive nonetheless if you look at his current opponent who doesn’t allow slipups. Kyouraku also acknowledges the fact that his opponent is tough as he resumes the battle against Starrk, who suddenly starts to think back to his own past.


Loneliness
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One is the Loneliest number that you’ll ever know

As Kyouraku counterattacks, probably based on the color white, Starrk thinks to himself Kyouraku is a tough opponent. Starrk then asks himself why he is the one that has to fight strong opponents as he looks back at his past as a Vasto Lorde (!!!). Starrk then gives us some insight on his past revealing a few interesting points. First off, I was right in saying that Starrk and Lillynette split into two because they were lonely and they couldn’t have anyone around. The only thing that I assumed was that Starrk is the one who created Lillynette, though it seems it isn’t even clear to Starrk who was the original Hollow. So to counter the loneliness they experienced as a Hollow, Starrk and Lillynette split into two beings. But the cause of the loneliness is both impressive as well as pretty sad as it turns out that their companions couldn’t even stand to be around them without dying. In the same way Tatsuki’s soul almost shattered under Yammy’s power, Starrk’s power crushed the Hollows around him just by being around them. The primera was also cursed by the fact that they surpassed the Gillian stage as they were no longer able to become part of a Gillian as he was already the dominant soul. Perhaps Starrk and Lillynette were the two strongest souls in the Menos, resulting in the two forms we have now come to know, as the usual Adjuchas and Vasto Lordes are the dominant souls of the Gillian stage in the Menos Grande class. Envying the fact that weak Hollows are able to congregate into a whole, he wanted to be weak so he could do the same, or find someone as strong as he is to keep him company. From the looks of things here, it turns out the last part of his wish came true in the form of the former captains and now Kyouraku. The latter one, however, may give him more than he bargained for.


The Primera’s loss?
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That’s what you had coming by revealing your name Coyote Starrk

Rudely waking Starrk from his daydream, he suddenly sees the eight squad’s emblem floating in front of him. Striking at the robe, it turns out the owner isn’t wearing it. Coming from below, Kyouraku strikes with the color black as the condition for the attack as he slashes Starrk with an upward move. So would this be the end of Coyote Starrk? The Hollow regeneration doesn’t seem to be working as well as I had expected, so maybe Katen Kyokotsu’s ability prevents him from regenerating. Perhaps the Primera Espada will be save by the fact that there are other Starrks lurking about as they may be able to either heal the Espada or take him outside Katen Kyokotsu’s area of effect. Or perhaps a certain Gingerback may turn out to play a bigger part in all of this than we could have predicted. Only time will tell as the chapter ends with this sudden counter by Kyouraku.


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Overview

Was this a great chapter or what? We finally learn exactly how Kyouraku’s Zanpakutou works and we see how overpowering it can be even though it is still in its Shikai form. A part of Starrk’s past is also revealed in this chapter as we learn that he was a Vasto Lorde with so much power that just being around other Hollows was enough to crush their souls. So with the tables turning for Starrk it would almost seem that he may yet meet his end as the conditions of a flashback and his entire name have already been met. With a good pace in the chapter, plenty of story development, and it being drawn out rather nicely I am once more pleased with this installment in the Bleach Manga. But this means that I have even greater expectations for the next chapters with things happening such as…



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Predictions

Starrk will live. That is one thing I’m pretty sure of as Starrk hasn’t shown signs of turning into ash or whatever’s left of Hollows once they die. Starrk will find a way to counter the effects of Kyouraku’s Koten Kyoukotsu, either using the wolf pack, his guns, or even a Gran Rey Cero to disturb Kyouraku’s Reiatsu field in the same way Grimmjow’s Gran Rey Cero caused a disturbance in the sky of Las Noches. The fight will start with the Primera Espada and Kyouraku in the next chapter. The fight between the Primera and Kyouraku will resume, though the question may be who the Primera Espada will be. Perhaps Lillynette will be the one to go into her resurrección next week where Starrk will be the one to act as the Zanpakutou. The odds are greater that the wolves Starrk released in the previous chapter will cause enough mayhem for Starrk to recover, though a player sub could work out nicely. The only thing that could happen if Lillynette was to take over is that she may pull a Nelliel on us by turning into an adult form as well, though from what we could see in the flashback she was a kid back then as well. The reason I mention this is that this wouldn’t necessarily work out so well as it has already been done by Nelliel, but we’ll have to see if it is even possible for Lillynette to do a resurrección.
Now this is what could happen once the fight between Starrk and Kyouraku resumes, but this may be the moment for Kubo to change scenes to Harribel vs. Lisa as both of them may have interest in the other fight. So Kubo may decide to give Harribel the spotlight before returning to Kyouraku vs. Starrk and Lillynette.

Well, that’s it for this week’s review. I think I covered everything this chapter had to offer, so I hope you guys enjoyed it. Be sure to let me know if I overlooked anything, share your thoughts on this chapter and/or review, and be sure to vote in this week’s poll. I’ll see you next week!

Tsukisama
September 17, 2009, 01:47 PM
Hello, The Underscore! Lovely review.

I was one of the silent voters in your previous review who voted for "I know who it was, it was..." (or something like that). I had already stated several times in the chapter discussion thread why I thought it was Shunsui and didn't feel like going back and forth at the time with you on the subject, since I read all of your posts on why you were convinced Shunsui couldn't be the stabber. :amuse


The primera was also cursed by the fact that they surpassed the Gillian stage as they were no longer able to become part of a Gillian as he was already the dominant soul. Perhaps Starrk and Lillynette were the two strongest souls in the Menos, resulting in the two forms we have now come to know, as the usual Adjuchas and Vasto Lordes are the dominant souls of the Gillian stage in the Menos Grande class.

This quoted part of your review confused me a bit. What do you mean Starrk and Lilinetts were the two strongest souls "in the Menos... as the usual Adjuchas and Vasto Lordes are the dominant souls of the Gillian stage in the Menos Grande class"? Are you trying to say that Starrk and Lilinette were the two most powerful Menos Grande of all, since by the point we are seeing them they should already be Menos Grande and not plain hollows?

MAX_COLA_POWER!
September 17, 2009, 02:04 PM
Profound review there Underscore. Katen Kyokotsu is one mean Pirate Lady (for those of you who are watching the Zanpakuto spirit filler arc). To be able to play games that can even hurt the user. I just hope they don't include that ability in the anime, in the filler I mean. Anyway, I guess we can safely say that the Bleach games did not hit the nail on the head with this one, unlike with Nejibana. Is it me, or was Starrk crying when he was remembering his past? I know it may have been just a sweat drop, but it really did look like that. Tite did a really good job in representing his aspect of death, I almost felt as depressed as he did. Now all that's left, is Tia's Sacrifice, which we still do not know what it is. Also, I wanna believe that even though Shunsui made a powerful blow towards Starrk, suprisingly enough we're not calling him Coyote, that somehow he'll still be alive to be friends with Shunsui. Another thing, and not to sound mean, but it's Katen Kyokotsu, KA-TEN KYO-KO-TSU!

rykarreolacr
September 17, 2009, 02:27 PM
Very good review!!!!

wooticus
September 17, 2009, 03:11 PM
i really like your idea of lilynette and starck changing "positions", but i can't see that actually happen. just because the character of lilynette is not too much into this whole developement, meaning there's nothing to talk about with shunsui or the others.
but maybe they will actually show something like a segunda etappa just by fusion together once again, i mean this resureccion actually can't be their true form, their united soul because they actually still talk to each other.
i still hope to see kyourakus bankai.. but i just can't see where it shall lead in means of power.

maybe the fight will end in somewhat of a double ko, both of them bleeding and one, or both together calling the color red.

The Underscore
September 17, 2009, 03:25 PM
Hello, The Underscore! Lovely review.

I was one of the silent voters in your previous review who voted for "I know who it was, it was..." (or something like that). I had already stated several times in the chapter discussion thread why I thought it was Shunsui and didn't feel like going back and forth at the time with you on the subject, since I read all of your posts on why you were convinced Shunsui couldn't be the stabber. :amuse



This quoted part of your review confused me a bit. What do you mean Starrk and Lilinetts were the two strongest souls "in the Menos... as the usual Adjuchas and Vasto Lordes are the dominant souls of the Gillian stage in the Menos Grande class"? Are you trying to say that Starrk and Lilinette were the two most powerful Menos Grande of all, since by the point we are seeing them they should already be Menos Grande and not plain hollows?

Thanks.
Oh well, I guess I was too stubborn in being open to other options other than the ones I posted. And to continuously have to repeat yourself would be rather tedious as well -though you could have put up a clip note version of your suspicions of Kyouraku :amuse.
Now as for the quoted part. I know I should have explained it a bit better with some examples but I got plain lazy in writing it. But hey, I might as well explain it here.
Well, the two strongest souls in the Menos has to do with the way Menos Grandes are formed based on the information given in previous chapters, amongst which the historia de la pantera y su sombras (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/284/05/) chapter. It explains that Menos are formed by "normal" Hollows piling up to form one Menos Grande. As all these Hollows are souls gone bad they all have their own individuality, but only the strongest individual within the Gillian is able to become the self of the Adjuchas and Vasto Lorde stage -see Grimmjows history for the full explanation.
Now coming to my theory, as Starrk -going with Starrk's name as the original Vasto Lorde that spawned Starrk and Lillynette- was so powerful that he was unable to be around other Hollows he tried to remedy that by using his Soul Splitting ability -which he used for the wolves- to create another individual to be with. This resulted into two individuals known as Starrk and Lillynette. But they each need their own personality to function as "normal" individuals. So of all the souls that made up the Vasto Lorde Starrk, Starrk's soul and Lillynette's soul were the strongest, creating those two individuals.
So yes, when we saw them they were already Menos Grandes -Vasto Lorde given that I'm right- and they were the two souls with the strongest sense of self within the Menos to become the individuals Starrk and Lillynette. Or at least that is what I think based on the interpretation of chapter 284 and what we've seen in this chapter. But I hope this cleared things up. If not you can always ask again ;)


Profound review there Underscore. Katen Kyokotsu is one mean Pirate Lady (for those of you who are watching the Zanpakuto spirit filler arc). To be able to play games that can even hurt the user. I just hope they don't include that ability in the anime, in the filler I mean. Anyway, I guess we can safely say that the Bleach games did not hit the nail on the head with this one, unlike with Nejibana. Is it me, or was Starrk crying when he was remembering his past? I know it may have been just a sweat drop, but it really did look like that. Tite did a really good job in representing his aspect of death, I almost felt as depressed as he did. Now all that's left, is Tia's Sacrifice, which we still do not know what it is. Also, I wanna believe that even though Shunsui made a powerful blow towards Starrk, suprisingly enough we're not calling him Coyote, that somehow he'll still be alive to be friends with Shunsui. Another thing, and not to sound mean, but it's Katen Kyokotsu, KA-TEN KYO-KO-TSU!

Why thank you.
I was expecting something entirely different with the pirate theme we've seen in the Anime fillers, that's for sure. I'd almost say that the twins we see with Ukitake in the fillers fit him better with what we've seen in this chapter, but ALMOST mind you :amuse. I'm sad to say I don't have any Bleach games to compare Zanpakutou with.
As for Starrk crying, I didn't see it as I assumed it was Starrk sweating and it looks to me like it is dripping too far on the side of his face to be a tear. Now we'll have to see how Harribel's sacrifice will be shown and whether Starrk and Kyouraku will be friends or not. As for the spelling of Katen Kyokotsu, due to the fact that I keep referring to Kyouraku as Kyouraku I actually started to call the Katen Kyokotsu the Katen Kyouraku, so in the quick editing I accidentally forgot to edit it :facepalm. Oh well, I noticed I made a mistake when it comes to Starrk's swords as well, so I can edit that after posting this :amuse


Very good review!!!!

Thanks! :D


i really like your idea of lilynette and starck changing "positions", but i can't see that actually happen. just because the character of lilynette is not too much into this whole developement, meaning there's nothing to talk about with shunsui or the others.
but maybe they will actually show something like a segunda etappa just by fusion together once again, i mean this resureccion actually can't be their true form, their united soul because they actually still talk to each other.
i still hope to see kyourakus bankai.. but i just can't see where it shall lead in means of power.

maybe the fight will end in somewhat of a double ko, both of them bleeding and one, or both together calling the color red.

Starrk and Lillynette are still two souls at this point, so a unison would make for quite the spectacle. It would also be more interesting than Lillynette suddenly taking over I guess, but I wouldn't put it past Lillynette to flip at Starrk and at least try to take things over. Kyouraku's Bankai would mean his power could up to tenfold, which would be quite the overkill. But Kyouraku hasn't shown us anything Genryuusai wouldn't be able to do with his Shikai either I think if you look at the actual damage he can do -cut off a Hierro enforced arm in one go-, thinking about it I wouldn't know what his Bankai could look like after seeing this. Anyway, ending with a double KO using the color red would be pretty epic I guess. I'm still curious as to what could happen. The downside of an early release is as always that we have to wait for the next chapter even longer :(

Rubicant
September 17, 2009, 03:38 PM
Thanks for the review as always.

You sound as if you feel there is new evidence in this issue that Starrk is a VL? I agree that he must be, but are you just reasserting that or is there something more here? "(!!!)"

Also, I wonder if Starrk might have been alluding to the fact that with great power comes great danger. Perhaps the nature of his existence was one of constant fighting and those around him often got caught up and destroyed in the chaos; rather than being obliterated by his enormous reiatsu.

Tsukisama
September 17, 2009, 04:50 PM
Thanks.
Oh well, I guess I was too stubborn in being open to other options other than the ones I posted. And to continuously have to repeat yourself would be rather tedious as well -though you could have put up a clip note version of your suspicions of Kyouraku :amuse.

That is true that I could have posted something, but if you had checked the main chapter discussion thread for the previous chapter, you would have seen a lot of strong believers for options that didn't really seem very logical like Gin or Ryuuken. After reading and even responding to so many of those posts, I just didn't feel it was doing that here when your mind seemed pretty made up on something else, but next time I'll speak up. ;)

Concerning this poll, I voted for the Lilinette showing her resurreccion option. I chose this, because I believe that Starrk and she are going to fuse together as Starrk's next power-up and given how Starrk has made a point to say he can't recall which one was more dominant, I think Lilinette will probably be the dominant one for a surprise factor. That poll option seemed the closest to this.

If you think about it, that seems to fit rather well actually. Lilinette is the one always convincing Starrk to take action, and given that the original self wanted to make itself a lot weaker, why not separate it (the dominant persona) off into the seemingly weak Lilinette? That's my theory anyway.


Now as for the quoted part. I know I should have explained it a bit better with some examples but I got plain lazy in writing it. But hey, I might as well explain it here.
Well, the two strongest souls in the Menos has to do with the way Menos Grandes are formed based on the information given in previous chapters, amongst which the historia de la pantera y su sombras (http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/284/05/) chapter. It explains that Menos are formed by "normal" Hollows piling up to form one Menos Grande. As all these Hollows are souls gone bad they all have their own individuality, but only the strongest individual within the Gillian is able to become the self of the Adjuchas and Vasto Lorde stage -see Grimmjows history for the full explanation.
Now coming to my theory, as Starrk -going with Starrk's name as the original Vasto Lorde that spawned Starrk and Lillynette- was so powerful that he was unable to be around other Hollows he tried to remedy that by using his Soul Splitting ability -which he used for the wolves- to create another individual to be with. This resulted into two individuals known as Starrk and Lillynette. But they each need their own personality to function as "normal" individuals. So of all the souls that made up the Vasto Lorde Starrk, Starrk's soul and Lillynette's soul were the strongest, creating those two individuals.
So yes, when we saw them they were already Menos Grandes -Vasto Lorde given that I'm right- and they were the two souls with the strongest sense of self within the Menos to become the individuals Starrk and Lillynette. Or at least that is what I think based on the interpretation of chapter 284 and what we've seen in this chapter. But I hope this cleared things up. If not you can always ask again ;)(

I see. Thank you for the explanation. I suppose I was a bit confused on this as I would have thought that was something that would go without stating. Each of the espada encountered thus far are collections of countless hollow, and their persona is controlled by the most dominant hollow in the conglomerate, right? So, the same should also be the case with Starrk and Lilinette.

The only part of your assessment with which I would disagree is that they don't have to necessary be the two most dominant hollows of the original conglomerate. Obviously, one of the contains the original most dominant persona, but if the one with the most powerful persona also contained the next powerful persona as well, then the other would contained whichever hollows not taken and would have the persona of whichever hollow is most dominant from this leftover assortment.

The Underscore
September 18, 2009, 03:14 AM
Thanks for the review as always.

You sound as if you feel there is new evidence in this issue that Starrk is a VL? I agree that he must be, but are you just reasserting that or is there something more here? "(!!!)"

Also, I wonder if Starrk might have been alluding to the fact that with great power comes great danger. Perhaps the nature of his existence was one of constant fighting and those around him often got caught up and destroyed in the chaos; rather than being obliterated by his enormous reiatsu.

You're welcome.
I'm just reasserting the Starrk is a Vasto Lorde part just to point out that there is no proof for him being anything less. Unless the splitting of himself caused him to take a human form to stabilize his forms...
As for the danger coming with the great power, it was something I thought of as well though I don't mind the idea of Starrk just being so insanely powerful that other Hollows just get crushed under the pressure of being around him :amuse


That is true that I could have posted something, but if you had checked the main chapter discussion thread for the previous chapter, you would have seen a lot of strong believers for options that didn't really seem very logical like Gin or Ryuuken. After reading and even responding to so many of those posts, I just didn't feel it was doing that here when your mind seemed pretty made up on something else, but next time I'll speak up. ;)

Concerning this poll, I voted for the Lilinette showing her resurreccion option. I chose this, because I believe that Starrk and she are going to fuse together as Starrk's next power-up and given how Starrk has made a point to say he can't recall which one was more dominant, I think Lilinette will probably be the dominant one for a surprise factor. That poll option seemed the closest to this.

If you think about it, that seems to fit rather well actually. Lilinette is the one always convincing Starrk to take action, and given that the original self wanted to make itself a lot weaker, why not separate it (the dominant persona) off into the seemingly weak Lilinette? That's my theory anyway.



I see. Thank you for the explanation. I suppose I was a bit confused on this as I would have thought that was something that would go without stating. Each of the espada encountered thus far are collections of countless hollow, and their persona is controlled by the most dominant hollow in the conglomerate, right? So, the same should also be the case with Starrk and Lilinette.

The only part of your assessment with which I would disagree is that they don't have to necessary be the two most dominant hollows of the original conglomerate. Obviously, one of the contains the original most dominant persona, but if the one with the most powerful persona also contained the next powerful persona as well, then the other would contained whichever hollows not taken and would have the persona of whichever hollow is most dominant from this leftover assortment.

You've discovered my greatest flaw on this forum; I'm too plain lazy to find the time to prowl the chapter discussion forum! I do look at it once I find the time :tem, but mostly laziness :darn.
Lillynette being the dominant one with their primary wish realized within her does sound like a really plausible theory. I hadn't even looked at it like that as I was too focused on Starrk with Lillynette having disappeared in this chapter. If Lillynette was to release as well, combining with the released Starrk to become the original Primera, Lillynette's persistence and attitude combined with Starrk's analytical abilities would make for quite a monster.

Glad to hear you got my explanation. Not only that, you summarized it to the point that it made more sense than my ramblings :D. Now as for what you said on the dominant persona, you mean that when Starrk and Lillynette split into two it was just the division of the conglomerate into two parts and the selection of the dominant persona came afterwards, right? Depending on how the splitting of the original went that could be the case. My theory, however, starts with choosing the dominant persona to take on part of the power first, before the splitting started. So Starrk or Lillynette -depending on who was first first- pulled the second most dominant soul out who then took part of their powers with it at the same time. Hopefully we'll find out more on how the splitting of the Primera occured at some point -perhaps after the fusion of both or Lillynette's resurreccion, given that either one will happen- to find the theory behind how it could have happened. Or maybe Kubo will reveal it outside of the Manga itself through the data book or an interview, who knows.

blackjack612
September 18, 2009, 03:15 AM
That was a great review as always. I had a feeling that it was Kyoraku. Although, I thought the shadows might have been the result of Bankai when I made my prediction last week. But it's better this way, because there's still more for Kyoraku to show us. :tem

And I doubt that Starrk will be finished anytime soon. I think that he'll survive shikai with little problems, and I have a feeling that his guns can still do more than he's let on. And you may be on the mark with Lilynette having her own resurrecion too. So my guess is that last chapter, Starrk was gonna let loose with one of his unshown abilities to finish off Love and Rose, and that this ability will force Shunsui into bankai. But before that happens, there'll probably be an interlude where Harribel finally lets loose now that Hitsugaya has created enough water for her to use. Because really, she's going to have to die before Starrk does.

Jamil2009
September 18, 2009, 11:24 AM
Another smashing review Underscore-sama. Your entertaning thoughts were as delectible as always.

Concerning last week's poll I was just as surprised that you did not include Kyoraku in the options. Though I voted for the Shinji option I somewhat thought that Kyoraku had more reasons to want to stab Starrk in the back seeing as Starrk practically did the same thing to him some chapters ago by shooting him in the back while Kyouraku was trying to avenge Ukitake.

About this week's review, I strongly agree with you that Starrk is a Vasto. I mean as was explained by Toushiro the Vastos are the MOST humanoid and of the Espada releases (or even Arrancar) Starrk and Barragan's are the most humanoid. Harribel and Ulquiorra, though they looked like they were close to attaining Vasto status they simply look like very powerful adjuchases with Ulquiorra's wings and Harribel's fins.

Also, I think Kyouraku's bossy nature is perfectly mirrored by Katen Kyoukotsu otherwise it would ruin the essence of a Zanpakutou which is to mirror the Shinigami's personality. So Katen Kyoukotsu is just as bossy to him as he is to Nanao-chan...

'Tonikaku', a sumptious review again and I hope you get your homework done in time. But 'ansuruna'...if you end up not being able to finish on time and your lecturer proves insufferable or gives you a nasty score, just send me their contact addy and...well they should get to meet that fourth grade teacher of mine who tried to make me do homework (wink, wink).

Jana

Snake_Cowboy
September 18, 2009, 11:58 AM
Nice review again, Underscore. :D

Like Tsukisama, I was one of the people who chose the "I know who it was"-option, believing it was Kyouraku, but didn't bother to post it as I'd already done so elsewhere. Another member gave me the idea that it could have been Kensei: he seems like the type to attack any Arrancar ruthlessly, especially if his friends are in trouble, but I guess I was right in my initial guess after all.

And on that note, I've been wondering: what the heck are Kensei and Mashiro doing? Tousen seems to be a bit tied up with Komamura, Shinji and Hisagi already, so I don't think they're going to join in that fight. And with Fura/Superchunky and his Gillians dead and Wonderweiss knocked to the ground... It seems like the perfect opportunity for Kensei and Mashiro to attack Aizen and Gin. But I think that Aizen will stick to his word of not lifting a finger in this battle...

But that's something for another chapter. Now back to this one.

I think Katen Kyokotsu's ability is pretty awesome and very original. This is one of the reasons I love Bleach. It just suits Kyouraku's character and it shows that, despite his playful nature, he can be surprisingly deadly. It's pretty funny that Kubo managed to misdirect us too; with the first few attacks of Katen Kyokotsu, it seemed it had abilities to control the wind, like we'd initially expected, and then he goes and surprises us with this. Gotta love it.

This chapter also served as further reinforcement that the top 4 Espada are Vasto Lordes: Barragan and Stark are without a doubt. However, I disagree with how 'our' Stark and Lilynette came to be. I think that, initially, the 'combined' Stark was the single dominant personality in the mass of Hollows that formed a Gillian. As he evolved, this single personality remained. However, as he became a Vasto Lorde, he grew lonely to the point that he developed a split-personality. He was always alone, talking to Lilynette in his head - or perhaps Lilynette was alone, talking to Stark in her head.

I'm pretty certain that Aizen got Stark/Lilynette on his side by promising him/her to end his loneliness: remember, Stark already explained that, when Aizen turned Stark/Lilynette into an Arrancar, rather than sealing their power into a Zanpakutou, they split into two seperate beings. I guess all of this doesn't matter too much, but this is just my take on the situation.

Now, as for next chapter, I'm certain that Stark isn't dead yet. Either Lilynette will force Stark to get serious and show all their combined strength or Stark/Lilynette actually triggers a Segunda Etappa. However, I don't think the latter will happen. Either way, next chapter will probably mark the beginning of the end for the Primera - I think Stark will unleash his most powerful attack and so will Kyouraku, ending the fight in a double knock-out.

The Underscore
September 19, 2009, 04:43 AM
That was a great review as always. I had a feeling that it was Kyoraku. Although, I thought the shadows might have been the result of Bankai when I made my prediction last week. But it's better this way, because there's still more for Kyoraku to show us. :tem

And I doubt that Starrk will be finished anytime soon. I think that he'll survive shikai with little problems, and I have a feeling that his guns can still do more than he's let on. And you may be on the mark with Lilynette having her own resurrecion too. So my guess is that last chapter, Starrk was gonna let loose with one of his unshown abilities to finish off Love and Rose, and that this ability will force Shunsui into bankai. But before that happens, there'll probably be an interlude where Harribel finally lets loose now that Hitsugaya has created enough water for her to use. Because really, she's going to have to die before Starrk does.

Thanks.
You're right when it comes to Kyouraku, with his Bankai still available we'll be sure to see plenty of actiion from him in some of the upcoming chapters -unless Kubo doesn't want to show his Bankai at all.
But we'll see whether Starrk will be able to force a Bankai from Kyouraku or not as there should still be options for him to recover himself (e.g. standard hollow regeneration, possible extra resurrección, Lillynette taking over). Let's just wait and see whether this is the moment where Starrk will reveal another trump card, or if Harribel gets to show off some of her bigger moves.


Another smashing review Underscore-sama. Your entertaning thoughts were as delectible as always.

Concerning last week's poll I was just as surprised that you did not include Kyoraku in the options. Though I voted for the Shinji option I somewhat thought that Kyoraku had more reasons to want to stab Starrk in the back seeing as Starrk practically did the same thing to him some chapters ago by shooting him in the back while Kyouraku was trying to avenge Ukitake.

About this week's review, I strongly agree with you that Starrk is a Vasto. I mean as was explained by Toushiro the Vastos are the MOST humanoid and of the Espada releases (or even Arrancar) Starrk and Barragan's are the most humanoid. Harribel and Ulquiorra, though they looked like they were close to attaining Vasto status they simply look like very powerful adjuchases with Ulquiorra's wings and Harribel's fins.

Also, I think Kyouraku's bossy nature is perfectly mirrored by Katen Kyoukotsu otherwise it would ruin the essence of a Zanpakutou which is to mirror the Shinigami's personality. So Katen Kyoukotsu is just as bossy to him as he is to Nanao-chan...

'Tonikaku', a sumptious review again and I hope you get your homework done in time. But 'ansuruna'...if you end up not being able to finish on time and your lecturer proves insufferable or gives you a nasty score, just send me their contact addy and...well they should get to meet that fourth grade teacher of mine who tried to make me do homework (wink, wink).

Jana

Thanks, glad to hear you enjoyed the review.
I guess I should have included Kyouraku in the polls as I also included Ukitake, but I think I already made it clear why I left him out in the thread :amuse.
Hopefully we'll find out whether Harribel is a Vasto Lorde or not, sadly we won't get a flashback on Ulquiorra's part on his previous status -unless Aizen miraculously decides to look back at the Espada he created. The line between Adjuchas and Vasto Lorde still isn't too clear in the Arrancar state as the hybridization process also gives them a human form. As for Katen Kyokotsu, she -going by the anime- certainly is bossy and quite negligent of the expectations like Kyouraku, meaning it really is part of Kyouraku. His love for his Zanpakutou could mean he is very content with himself, however.
As for the homework, the Friday morning was productive enough to dodge the bullet, now to finally plan my homework so I won't do it at the last moment anymore!:eyeroll


Nice review again, Underscore. :D

Like Tsukisama, I was one of the people who chose the "I know who it was"-option, believing it was Kyouraku, but didn't bother to post it as I'd already done so elsewhere. Another member gave me the idea that it could have been Kensei: he seems like the type to attack any Arrancar ruthlessly, especially if his friends are in trouble, but I guess I was right in my initial guess after all.

And on that note, I've been wondering: what the heck are Kensei and Mashiro doing? Tousen seems to be a bit tied up with Komamura, Shinji and Hisagi already, so I don't think they're going to join in that fight. And with Fura/Superchunky and his Gillians dead and Wonderweiss knocked to the ground... It seems like the perfect opportunity for Kensei and Mashiro to attack Aizen and Gin. But I think that Aizen will stick to his word of not lifting a finger in this battle...

But that's something for another chapter. Now back to this one.

I think Katen Kyokotsu's ability is pretty awesome and very original. This is one of the reasons I love Bleach. It just suits Kyouraku's character and it shows that, despite his playful nature, he can be surprisingly deadly. It's pretty funny that Kubo managed to misdirect us too; with the first few attacks of Katen Kyokotsu, it seemed it had abilities to control the wind, like we'd initially expected, and then he goes and surprises us with this. Gotta love it.

This chapter also served as further reinforcement that the top 4 Espada are Vasto Lordes: Barragan and Stark are without a doubt. However, I disagree with how 'our' Stark and Lilynette came to be. I think that, initially, the 'combined' Stark was the single dominant personality in the mass of Hollows that formed a Gillian. As he evolved, this single personality remained. However, as he became a Vasto Lorde, he grew lonely to the point that he developed a split-personality. He was always alone, talking to Lilynette in his head - or perhaps Lilynette was alone, talking to Stark in her head.

I'm pretty certain that Aizen got Stark/Lilynette on his side by promising him/her to end his loneliness: remember, Stark already explained that, when Aizen turned Stark/Lilynette into an Arrancar, rather than sealing their power into a Zanpakutou, they split into two seperate beings. I guess all of this doesn't matter too much, but this is just my take on the situation.

Now, as for next chapter, I'm certain that Stark isn't dead yet. Either Lilynette will force Stark to get serious and show all their combined strength or Stark/Lilynette actually triggers a Segunda Etappa. However, I don't think the latter will happen. Either way, next chapter will probably mark the beginning of the end for the Primera - I think Stark will unleash his most powerful attack and so will Kyouraku, ending the fight in a double knock-out.

Thanks.
It seems I had less faith in Kyouraku than most other people, even though he's one of my favorite captains :(. Never will I doubt him again!...Unless he deserves it of course :amuse.
I honestly have no idea what Kensei and Mashiro could be doing right now. Somehow I can imagine them doing things such as annoying each other -mainly Mashiro annoying Kensei of course-, Mashiro annoying Shinji for being hit, Mashiro annoying Genryuusai as she tries to tell him what she's been up to, or maybe even poking Ukitake's wound to see if he's still alive. Kensei is probably preventing her from doing any of the above. The better question would be what Genryuusai is doing as I honestly expected him to have started to burn all creation a lot sooner, though he's surprisingly calm with the arrival of the Vizards. We'll just have to wait and see what the current inactive members of this war are doing.

Katen Kyokotsu's ability did fool us nicely indeed, the fact that my prediction was way off again as well as my initial thoughts on the Zanpakutou was wrong, made this chapter even better. There's little point in reading a story when you already know everything right? ;)

The primera's loneliness indeed seems to be the reason behind most of his actions as a Hollow. Aizen probably manipulated Starrk easily with such a clear motive, promising companions in the form of the Espada. I wouldn't mind getting more information on the gathering process of the Espada, especially the top five (4 to 0).

The next chapter is one with plenty of options as this final attack by Kyouraku can be used to switch to several situations as a break in the primera's fight. The fight could continue, Harribel's fight can come up -the same way her fight transitioned to Starrk and Kyouraku fighting in a previous chapter-, Tousen's fight could also be shown, the situation of plenty of other (former) Gotei 13 members can also be shown. Let's wait and see which one Kubo will pick :tem.

delapaz13
September 19, 2009, 07:10 AM
about lilynette's surname maybe it's a reference with the movie gingersnaps?

benelori
September 19, 2009, 11:32 AM
Hello Underscore,nice review...since the spoilers came out. I was itching to read UR review and see UR opinion on the color game, becuz the spoilers were confusing and also U write clever stuff...now the chapter came out and I thought I understood it...when I posted my opinion, nobody really found a flaw, so I thought I was right...I was surprised when I read UR post and U said, that a player of the color game can attack other color as well...basically if someone called white he can attack black as well...and U did so judging from Kyouraku's counter...but I disagree and I base my arguments on starrk's attack, he aimed for a white part and that kyouraku himself said:http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/374/12/

Anyway thanx for the review again,it was a pleasure reading and posting here...

cmb572
September 19, 2009, 06:25 PM
good stuff Underscore...as always. I was looking forward to this review alot b/c of the childrens game thing. You helped clear up quite a few things for me. Thanks mate! I agree starrk will still be alive next chapter but ya gotta figure after him revealing his last name and recalling past events his time is limited right? Isnt that the way it goes in bleach for these poor poor Espada?

The Underscore
September 20, 2009, 06:32 AM
about lilynette's surname maybe it's a reference with the movie gingersnaps?

-Googles gingersnaps...- Seeming as how it is a movie about werewolves and the wolf theme she and Starrk have going there's always a chance that Lillynette's name is based on that. Sadly I'm not familiar with either Kubo's taste in movies or the movie itself, so I can't say for sure. But there's always a chance he chose the name based on the movie.


Hello Underscore,nice review...since the spoilers came out. I was itching to read UR review and see UR opinion on the color game, becuz the spoilers were confusing and also U write clever stuff...now the cha[ter came out and I thought I understood it...when I posted my opinion, nobody really found a flaw, so I thought I was right...I was surprised when I read UR post and U said, that a player of the color game can attack other color as well...basically if someone called white he can attack blackas well...and U did so judging from Kyouraku's counter...but I disagree and I base my arguments on starrk's attack, he aimed for a white part and that kyouraku himself said:http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/374/12/

Anyway thanx for the review again,it was a pleasure reading and posting here...

Thanks.
There's one reason I chose to say any color could be cut in spite of what Kyouraku said in the chapter other than the counter by Kyouraku. If you look at the black areas Starrk has on him as well as the motion made to cut Starrk there are but a few areas that can be cut. So either Starrk's head gets split open where his hairline starts and he bleeds from his goatee, or the man known as Starrk is no longer a man :sweatdrop. Seeming as Kyouraku is one of my favorite captains, I don't want to take cool points from him as, and I quote: "It doesn't matter Butters! You never shoot a guy in the dick! Everyone knows that! Shooting a guy in the dick!? That's just.. that's just weak. ..I can't believe you Butters.", where the shooting can be replaced by cutting in my book. So let's stick with my theory for now both for Starrk and Kyouraku's sake -_-;.
Also, looking at how the blood streams from Starrk, it would suggest that it comes from his body rather than his head. But if Starrk's upper body is cut in the last frame it could also suggest that he'll regenerate due to Katen Kyokotsu's effect and that he actually dodged the attack with all the black he has on him. I hadn't even thought of that yet :amuse, that would mean that Starrk will be back in a jiffy in spite of the dramatic ending of this chapter. Unless shadow cast on someone counts as black as well... Now I REALLY want to read the next chapter :darn.


good stuff Underscore...as always. I was looking forward to this review alot b/c of the childrens game thing. You helped clear up quite a few things for me. Thanks mate! I agree starrk will still be alive next chapter but ya gotta figure after him revealing his last name and recalling past events his time is limited right? Isnt that the way it goes in bleach for these poor poor Espada?

Thanks.
Glad to hear I helped clear up things for you. Starrk's future isn't too bright from where things stand now, though there's still a very slim chance that Starrk will live or at least live longer looking at Grimmjow -still alive, I think... Whatever happened to him after Nnoitra cut him?-, and Harribel -revealed her name about 15 chapters back and is still around (for now)- and Barragan revealed his full name ages ago, though after his release he did die pretty quickly... Like I said, things aren't looking too good for Starrk. Unless of course I'm right about what I just thought up and Starrk dodged with all the black parts he has on him and he regenerates due to Katen Kyokotsu's effect.

benelori
September 20, 2009, 08:32 AM
Thanks.
There's one reason I chose to say any color could be cut in spite of what Kyouraku said in the chapter other than the counter by Kyouraku. If you look at the black areas Starrk has on him as well as the motion made to cut Starrk there are but a few areas that can be cut. So either Starrk's head gets split open where his hairline starts and he bleeds from his goatee, or the man known as Starrk is no longer a man :sweatdrop. Seeming as Kyouraku is one of my favorite captains, I don't want to take cool points from him as, and I quote: "It doesn't matter Butters! You never shoot a guy in the dick! Everyone knows that! Shooting a guy in the dick!? That's just.. that's just weak. ..I can't believe you Butters.", where the shooting can be replaced by cutting in my book. So let's stick with my theory for now both for Starrk and Kyouraku's sake -_-;.
Also, looking at how the blood streams from Starrk, it would suggest that it comes from his body rather than his head. But if Starrk's upper body is cut in the last frame it could also suggest that he'll regenerate due to Katen Kyokotsu's effect and that he actually dodged the attack with all the black he has on him. I hadn't even thought of that yet :amuse, that would mean that Starrk will be back in a jiffy in spite of the dramatic ending of this chapter. Unless shadow cast on someone counts as black as well... Now I REALLY want to read the next chapter :darn.


I see...predicted such an answer and I admit, it makes sense...but then starrk's wound is pretty serious...I guess it depends on the next chapter how things are really standing...if the hollow hole can be counted as black, then if shunsui aimed for that is no surprise, due to the fact that shunsui finally got serious...anyway see ya next chapter...or spoiler discussions

Aikidoka
September 21, 2009, 11:15 PM
I voted that Lilynette would give another pep-talk to Starrk. I feel like it would make sense despite being redundant -- Starrk is someone who feels depressed due to his loneliness, and wishes for "bonds". Lilynette, as a manifestation of his desire for comradeship, (or vice versa), should be his strength in a way, supporting him and allowing him to fight on in the same way the "weak" Hollows do so. To have Lilynette come out and release herself would dodge or subvert who Starrk is.

I'm pleasantly surprised by Shunsui's Shikai ability, Kubo had me hoodwinked too into believing that his was a wind-type. Like you pointed out, Katen Kyokotsu's ability is something it's mostly in charge of, which I like because it's unique -- it's the first time where we've seen that the Zanpakutou has more control over its ability than Shunsui does.

Obscenity
September 22, 2009, 09:03 AM
I'm not too worried about Starrk, just yet. I mean we saw that the attacks of Shunsui's ability can look and feel extremely dangerous, (ie. when Starrk thought he'd lost his hand) but actually be a lot less damaging. Of course according to our understanding of the rules of the game so far, it does seem that things look grim for La Primera, so all we can do is wait. I also enjoyed the insight into Shunsui's relationship to his zanpakuto. I think he was going to go bankai, simply because his sword was being lazy about drawing out it's full shikai power. He was probably on the ground this whole time talking to it, trying to convince the thing that he needed its help.I highly doubt that he'll show his bankai in this cycle, I think that if Starrk pulls out a powerup that has him outclassing Kyoraku again, we're much more likely to see a dual bankai beatdown from Love and Rose. This war is the Vizards time to shine, and I think Kubo is enjoying making us squirm for Shunsui's bankai, among others. I think there's gonna be a scene change, but honestly I could not tell you which fight it'll switch to. Awesome chapter, but I worry about this game. I think the fight is gonna end when one of them has an aha! moment and figures out some loophole that'll let him KO the other. Anyhow, I'd better get going, thanks again for the hard work, Underscore. Always enjoy those whacky theories of yours!

Stone
September 22, 2009, 10:34 AM
Nice review as usual, but The Vastoroodo part seem to still be to early to say imo

I'm also very curious about what child games we might see in the future.

Sportgal1
September 22, 2009, 06:23 PM
Great review Underscore!

This may be a stupid question, but is Shunsui in shikai or bankai? Because if he's in shikai still, he's really pushing the 1st Espada. The form didn't change for bankai though, and Kubo usually has a big revealing scene for bankai. So if Shunsui still has bankai left, Stark would be screwed unless he had a second release like Ulquiorra.

The Underscore
September 23, 2009, 02:57 AM
I see...predicted such an answer and I admit, it makes sense...but then starrk's wound is pretty serious...I guess it depends on the next chapter how things are really standing...if the hollow hole can be counted as black, then if shunsui aimed for that is no surprise, due to the fact that shunsui finally got serious...anyway see ya next chapter...or spoiler discussions

To think you'd expect me to quote Southpark in my answer :p. The next chapter will have to reveal the actual damage dealt to Starrk, so we'll see whether shadows count as black as well, including the hole in Starrk's chest.


I voted that Lilynette would give another pep-talk to Starrk. I feel like it would make sense despite being redundant -- Starrk is someone who feels depressed due to his loneliness, and wishes for "bonds". Lilynette, as a manifestation of his desire for comradeship, (or vice versa), should be his strength in a way, supporting him and allowing him to fight on in the same way the "weak" Hollows do so. To have Lilynette come out and release herself would dodge or subvert who Starrk is.

I'm pleasantly surprised by Shunsui's Shikai ability, Kubo had me hoodwinked too into believing that his was a wind-type. Like you pointed out, Katen Kyokotsu's ability is something it's mostly in charge of, which I like because it's unique -- it's the first time where we've seen that the Zanpakutou has more control over its ability than Shunsui does.

Lilynette has already given a pep talk in this fight, so we'll have to wait and see whether she'll keep that up. Lilynette seems to be the Primera Espada's spunk if you look at it.
As for Katen Kyokotsu, it does seem to have more control over the abilities than Kyouraku, but it does come through in a pinch as we've seen in this chapter. Perhaps it responds to the opponents strength or Kyouraku's safety to choose which game is played. But up until now it is the most unique zanpakutou around.


I'm not too worried about Starrk, just yet. I mean we saw that the attacks of Shunsui's ability can look and feel extremely dangerous, (ie. when Starrk thought he'd lost his hand) but actually be a lot less damaging. Of course according to our understanding of the rules of the game so far, it does seem that things look grim for La Primera, so all we can do is wait. I also enjoyed the insight into Shunsui's relationship to his zanpakuto. I think he was going to go bankai, simply because his sword was being lazy about drawing out it's full shikai power. He was probably on the ground this whole time talking to it, trying to convince the thing that he needed its help.I highly doubt that he'll show his bankai in this cycle, I think that if Starrk pulls out a powerup that has him outclassing Kyoraku again, we're much more likely to see a dual bankai beatdown from Love and Rose. This war is the Vizards time to shine, and I think Kubo is enjoying making us squirm for Shunsui's bankai, among others. I think there's gonna be a scene change, but honestly I could not tell you which fight it'll switch to. Awesome chapter, but I worry about this game. I think the fight is gonna end when one of them has an aha! moment and figures out some loophole that'll let him KO the other. Anyhow, I'd better get going, thanks again for the hard work, Underscore. Always enjoy those whacky theories of yours!

Glad to hear you enjoyed the review.
I too think Kubo is having a great time teasing us with Kyouraku and his Bankai while showing off the Vizards at the same time. But something tells me Kyouraku could have been able to use his Bankai from the start, perhaps forcing Katen Kyokotsu to start immediately instead of letting it choose one game at a time. Lets see if the next chapter shows whether Kyouraku will have to use his bankai or not.


Nice review as usual, but The Vastoroodo part seem to still be to early to say imo

I'm also very curious about what child games we might see in the future.

Thanks.
Well, the Vasto Lorde could be early, but going with the information given throughout the story it is very likely for me -have to stay tentative as there hasn't been a "He's a Vasto Lorde" or "I'm a Vasto Lorde" from anyone yet- which is why I am sticking to it with a 95% certainty :amuse.
These child games do seem to be the kinds you would expect to see on playgrounds, so if someone is familiar with such games (s)he could be able to predict some other games we'll see later. Maybe the game theme means that Kyouraku's Bankai turns an area into a giant board game or something :p.


Great review Underscore!

This may be a stupid question, but is Shunsui in shikai or bankai? Because if he's in shikai still, he's really pushing the 1st Espada. The form didn't change for bankai though, and Kubo usually has a big revealing scene for bankai. So if Shunsui still has bankai left, Stark would be screwed unless he had a second release like Ulquiorra.

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Well as there is no such thing as a stupid question I only wonder what you expect me to answer when you've already answered the question yourself ;). My guess is that Kyouraku is in his Shikai state for the same reasons you've mentioned -no big scene or major form change. So Starrk has to pull out the big guns if he still wants to stand a chance against Kyouraku. We shouldn't forget that Starrk already felt more than confident enough to force a Bankai from Kyouraku and Starrk isn't one to overestimate himself as much as he tends to underestimate himself. We'll have to wait and see whether Starrk is powerful enough to survive and if he was just overtook by the rather peculiar power Kyouraku used. Given that Starrk survives, he'll be back to force out a Bankai -or three if he gets Love and Rose to join in as well- to show that the title of Primera isn't just to intimidate people.