View Full Version : Theory Theory on Madara, Danzou, Itachi and the power Itachi gave to Naruto.
ForMotherRussia
September 25, 2009, 11:02 AM
Where shall i start...
The facts:
1)16 years ago 9tails attacked Konoha, controlled by Madara.
2)After some time, probably 6-7 years Itachi met Madara and made a pact with him (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/09/), "To take revenge on the clan, but not to harm the rest of the village"
3)After that, Uchiha Shisui was killed by someone, the Konoha police force came to Itachi's house with "Shisui's suicide note (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/07/)"
4)The next thing we see is that Itachi rages out (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/11/)and attacks them.
5)Next, the uchiha massacre happens.
6)We know that Madara was the former Mizukage. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/01/)
7)We know Uchiha Shisui's power (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/459/15/), We know that Danzou has an arm and an eye oh Uchiha Shisui, We also know that some people think previous Mizukage was actually controlled by jutsu, similar to uchiha shisui's.
Btw. we also know that Shisui was also known as Shisui of the Mirage (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/07/).
Now, here are my thoughts about it all. The first suspicious thing is why all-powerful godly Uchiha Madara would make a pact with Itachi? My guess is that Controlling 9tails was madara's last resort to take revenge on Konoha, and after that he somehow lost his EMS or the ability to awaken it. So he took an opportunity to kill all uchihas without EMS. However before the Uchiha Massacre he assassinated Shisui together with Danzou, and each of them took an eye from him. Now it was said somewhere, that in MS, one sharingan controls genjutsu, another controls ninjutsu. Danzou got the genjutsu eye, and madara got the ninjutsu eye, which allows him to move at unbelievable speed and avoid all attacks. This pretty much explains why Danzou has only one sharingan, and why there's only one sharingan on Madara's face.
The other thing is that Itachi didn't kill Shisui and only when he heard of his death and he knew who it was, he awakened MS. It was still not completely developed though (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/223/02/), but this gives us explanation to how the MS is really awakened, and it is when one feels he lost somebody dear to him. This also explains how Kakashi got his MS.
And i also doubt that those "secret writings in uchiha meeting place" about killing your best friend were real, i can hardly believe that Madara and his brother killed their friends (and they were the first ones to awaken MS), and all these "secret writings" are fabrication of Madara to take his revenge on Uchihas.
Now, for the last part: Itachi's gift to Naruto.
In my opinion, what Itachi gave naruto is not some weapon or jutsu, but a knowledge of Shisui's jutsu and the way to counter it. Here's some logic: What can be passed on through genjutsu? Definetely not a weapon or something physical. Information is the most possible thing, and imo that's exactly what it was. I think Itachi knew that Naruto won't need his help to turn Sasuke back, but he will need help fighting Madara.
Delbi
September 25, 2009, 11:22 AM
There is one fatal flaw in your theory, both Danzou and Madara posses a Sharigan in their right eye. Shisui didn't have two right eyes, so one of them would have to have his left eye.
ForMotherRussia
September 25, 2009, 11:27 AM
There is one fatal flaw in your theory, both Danzou and Madara posses a Sharigan in their right eye. Shisui didn't have two right eyes, so one of them would have to have his left eye.
There's nothing wrong with putting one eye into another eye socket, it's not like with feet or arms, an eye is an eye, it's identical :D
Delbi
September 25, 2009, 05:15 PM
There's nothing wrong with putting one eye into another eye socket, it's not like with feet or arms, an eye is an eye, it's identical :D
Is it? I thought you had to replace eyes into the correct sockets because of the ocular nerves and shit. I'm not a doctor, but I swear I've heard that was the case somewhere. Could have been on House lol.
SharkJAW
September 25, 2009, 05:29 PM
Is it? I thought you had to replace eyes into the correct sockets because of the ocular nerves and shit. I'm not a doctor, but I swear I've heard that was the case somewhere. Could have been on House lol.
You were correct in your earlier post. An eye may fit into the socket, but that does not necessarily mean it can function that way. However, this is the Narutoverse where people can spit fire and summon giant toads, it's probably possible in this crazy world created by Kishi...
Also, what would be the point of putting it an alternate socket if you have the option to put it in the correct socket?
Shinomori Aoshi
September 27, 2009, 11:49 AM
Where shall i start...
The facts:
1)16 years ago 9tails attacked Konoha, controlled by Madara.
2)After some time, probably 6-7 years Itachi met Madara and made a pact with him (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/09/), "To take revenge on the clan, but not to harm the rest of the village"
3)After that, Uchiha Shisui was killed by someone, the Konoha police force came to Itachi's house with "Shisui's suicide note (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/07/)"
4)The next thing we see is that Itachi rages out (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/11/)and attacks them.
5)Next, the uchiha massacre happens.
6)We know that Madara was the former Mizukage. (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/404/01/)
7)We know Uchiha Shisui's power (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/459/15/), We know that Danzou has an arm and an eye oh Uchiha Shisui, We also know that some people think previous Mizukage was actually controlled by jutsu, similar to uchiha shisui's.
Btw. we also know that Shisui was also known as Shisui of the Mirage (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/222/07/).
Now, here are my thoughts about it all. The first suspicious thing is why all-powerful godly Uchiha Madara would make a pact with Itachi? My guess is that Controlling 9tails was madara's last resort to take revenge on Konoha, and after that he somehow lost his EMS or the ability to awaken it. So he took an opportunity to kill all uchihas without EMS. However before the Uchiha Massacre he assassinated Shisui together with Danzou, and each of them took an eye from him. Now it was said somewhere, that in MS, one sharingan controls genjutsu, another controls ninjutsu. Danzou got the genjutsu eye, and madara got the ninjutsu eye, which allows him to move at unbelievable speed and avoid all attacks. This pretty much explains why Danzou has only one sharingan, and why there's only one sharingan on Madara's face.
The other thing is that Itachi didn't kill Shisui and only when he heard of his death and he knew who it was, he awakened MS. It was still not completely developed though (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/223/02/), but this gives us explanation to how the MS is really awakened, and it is when one feels he lost somebody dear to him. This also explains how Kakashi got his MS.
And i also doubt that those "secret writings in uchiha meeting place" about killing your best friend were real, i can hardly believe that Madara and his brother killed their friends (and they were the first ones to awaken MS), and all these "secret writings" are fabrication of Madara to take his revenge on Uchihas.
Now, for the last part: Itachi's gift to Naruto.
In my opinion, what Itachi gave naruto is not some weapon or jutsu, but a knowledge of Shisui's jutsu and the way to counter it. Here's some logic: What can be passed on through genjutsu? Definetely not a weapon or something physical. Information is the most possible thing, and imo that's exactly what it was. I think Itachi knew that Naruto won't need his help to turn Sasuke back, but he will need help fighting Madara.
Actually, we now know that the fourth Mizukage was controlled by someone, so maybe that someone was Madara.
ForMotherRussia
September 27, 2009, 11:58 AM
Actually, we now know that the fourth Mizukage was controlled by someone, so maybe that someone was Madara.
remember when Tobi took off his mask for Kisame? And he called him Mizukage. So i've assumed that all rain village ppl THOUGHT that their mizukage was manipulated by someone, but in reality it was Madara, who was the mizukage
Shinomori Aoshi
September 27, 2009, 12:26 PM
Maybe. Whatever, this doesn't actually affect your theory in any way, I was just pointing that out.
MinatoNamikaze
September 27, 2009, 11:38 PM
With Danzo stealing parts from Uchiha Shisui it helps explain how he was appointed to be the 6th acting hokage as as long as Tsunade is in a coma. Does anyone have any predictions to make about her?
ganjabuss
October 01, 2009, 11:16 PM
itachi's gift to naruto would be sword of totsuka and yata's mirror...both non physical objects can be passed via genjutsu...he didn't want sasuke to be sealed for eternity...so he checked naruto's resolve b4 giving them...
ForMotherRussia
October 03, 2009, 08:54 PM
itachi's gift to naruto would be sword of totsuka and yata's mirror...both non physical objects can be passed via genjutsu...he didn't want sasuke to be sealed for eternity...so he checked naruto's resolve b4 giving them...
except the fact that he was using them during the fight with sasuke
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You were correct in your earlier post. An eye may fit into the socket, but that does not necessarily mean it can function that way. However, this is the Narutoverse where people can spit fire and summon giant toads, it's probably possible in this crazy world created by Kishi...
Also, what would be the point of putting it an alternate socket if you have the option to put it in the correct socket?
i thought about the answer for a long time, but the answer came up just now, and it's very simple. Remember the time when Danzou was fighting with Nagato? His eye was injured that time, so thinking logically, he wouldn't replace his only healthy eye with sharingan if he could place sharingan into empty socket :D
Razh
October 04, 2009, 06:05 PM
From Itachi's words, when he said that he hoped that Naruto doesn't have to use his gift, I assume that it's something that can be used against Sasuke. Maybe it's not something serious. Maybe Itachi said it just because he hoped that everything eill be resolved pecefully between Naruto and Sasuke.
Anyway, I think Itachi transferred some type of Genjutsu into Naruto, which supposedly activates while Naruto and Sasuke are fighting. Maybe it's a message for Sasuke from Itachi, something similar to Minato inside Naruto. Remember, Itachi never told Sasuke everything. Madara conveniently filled the blanks for him.
Also, maybe it's a genjutsu that will erase Sasuke's memory completely.
I'm sure it's something that is supposed to bring Sasuke down. My guess is that Itachi had foreseen that he'll fall under Madara's influence.
mannenntihnmo
October 09, 2009, 05:11 PM
remember when Tobi took off his mask for Kisame? And he called him Mizukage. So i've assumed that all rain village ppl THOUGHT that their mizukage was manipulated by someone, but in reality it was Madara, who was the mizukage
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/458/03/
isn't it said here, that yondaime mizukage was a guy called yagura?
elitefox
October 19, 2009, 08:09 AM
From Itachi's words, when he said that he hoped that Naruto doesn't have to use his gift, I assume that it's something that can be used against Sasuke. Maybe it's not something serious. Maybe Itachi said it just because he hoped that everything eill be resolved pecefully between Naruto and Sasuke.
Anyway, I think Itachi transferred some type of Genjutsu into Naruto, which supposedly activates while Naruto and Sasuke are fighting. Maybe it's a message for Sasuke from Itachi, something similar to Minato inside Naruto. Remember, Itachi never told Sasuke everything. Madara conveniently filled the blanks for him.
Also, maybe it's a genjutsu that will erase Sasuke's memory completely.
I'm sure it's something that is supposed to bring Sasuke down. My guess is that Itachi had foreseen that he'll fall under Madara's influence.
if that is the case then why did Itachi said to naruto that I hope you will never use this...
Jspot
October 19, 2009, 11:45 AM
Is it? I thought you had to replace eyes into the correct sockets because of the ocular nerves and shit. I'm not a doctor, but I swear I've heard that was the case somewhere. Could have been on House lol.
Entire eye transplants are not even possible with modern-day technology, so the rules for such a procedure do not exist. Because of this, the procedure in Naruto is fictional and can be handled any way Kishi wants, so until such a requirement is expressly stated in the manga, it is still a possibility.
if that is the case then why did Itachi said to naruto that I hope you will never use this...
He just told you why. Because Itachi would rather such extremes not be taken by Naruto against his little brother.
ibi
October 19, 2009, 01:47 PM
remember when Tobi took off his mask for Kisame? And he called him Mizukage. So i've assumed that all rain village ppl THOUGHT that their mizukage was manipulated by someone, but in reality it was Madara, who was the mizukage
i just want to point out that that the land of rain is completely different from the land of water, the mizukage isnt the leader of rain, that used to be hanzo but he was defeated by pain in the civil war and now becuz of the deth of pain, konan is the ruler of the rain at the moment,,,
i also wanted to say,,, we kno that the 4th mizukage was quite yung and kisame acknowledged madara as the mizukage, so why duz that mean he cant be the 3rd, durrrrh!!!
we also kno that the MS all have similar or the same powers, so why cudnt the master of the EMS use similar powers to shisui,,,,,, moreover, why wud he need to use it wen he can use tsukuyomi!!!!
and if he has lost his power, i think pein cud use a genjutsu powerful enuf to control the 4th mizukage....so thers goes the need for madara to steel shisuis eyes......
but i do agree that itachi might have just found out bout shisuis death wen the police came to his house
im done for now :)
Diablos
October 19, 2009, 02:52 PM
Gotta agree with some points of yours. Danzou cooperating with Madara is also probably a most likely thing to happen.. Check last right pannel http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/461/11/ ... Saying same stuff as Madara in other words..
CBlitz
October 19, 2009, 09:38 PM
I think ROOT will end up helping Madara/Akatsuki too, they're all gonna get kicked out of Konoha anyway
conn-man
October 20, 2009, 10:24 AM
and it is when one feels he lost somebody dear to him. This also explains how Kakashi got his MS.
sounds to me like kakashi got mangekyo becuse of sauske.
also mother russia great job on tieing all that stuff together, it really helped get a good perspective on a huge plot.
bananax
October 20, 2009, 10:55 AM
Where shall i start...
Now it was said somewhere, that in MS, one sharingan controls genjutsu, another controls ninjutsu. Danzou got the genjutsu eye, and madara got the ninjutsu eye, which allows him to move at unbelievable speed and avoid all attacks. This pretty much explains why Danzou has only one sharingan, and why there's only one sharingan on Madara's face.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/408/03/
here is a scene where Sasuke uses Genjutsu , uses only one eye
fyuriusjorge
October 20, 2009, 04:32 PM
Personally, I think too many people pay too much mind to Madara as speaking the gospel. I seriously question everything he says with a very high degree of skepticism. After all, we are talking about a manga that has its very premised based on deception. He could very well be telling the truth, just his oddball version of it. I am not trying to shoot down the theory here mind you, there is a lot here that I think has many foundations that make sense but I am sensing it is peppered with right and wrong speculation. I guess it is why I like Naruto, it keeps me guessing.
If I had to guess, I would say there is a very real chance almost everything he has told Sasuke is just a well conceived variation on the reality of what happened. A part of me really wonders how much of Itachi actually killed off his clan of his own volition and how much of it was him under control. I partially guess in a way that he was manipulated in to killing Shunsui but via his implanted eyes Itachi was controlled in to killing the clan. I highly question that they were plotting a coup at all. I prefer to think that Danzou himself wanted to rule Konoha but couldn't due to him being an asshat. He conspired with Madara to achieve equal means, a quid pro quo. Madara cons Itachi to kill his friend, they get his eyes which provides Danzou the means to control Itachi and the elders in to agreement.
Once Itachi comes out of it he knows there is no turning back, there isn't any reclaiming his life and falls in line with Madara and possibly provides info back to trusted sources (possibly Jiraiya). Frankly, it would shock me if what he put in Naruto is nothing more than the truth about what happened, a sort of memory that will show Sasuke what a dumbass he is for swallowing Madara's BS the same way he likely did. That in effect Sasuke has repeated Itachi's sins in a way by repeating Itachi's mistakes.
About the coup, I really question whether or not that was even real. I think the real coup may have just been Danzou's group. I think there is a real chance the Uchiha knew about it and they had to be dealt with, either that or they knew Madara was a threat. Either way, something tells me most of what Madara says is just outright fabrication to manipulate and control things. Just because he speaks rationally doesn't mean he is a rational person.
ForMotherRussia
October 20, 2009, 06:04 PM
i just want to point out that that the land of rain is completely different from the land of water, the mizukage isnt the leader of rain, that used to be hanzo but he was defeated by pain in the civil war and now becuz of the deth of pain, konan is the ruler of the rain at the moment,,,
i also wanted to say,,, we kno that the 4th mizukage was quite yung and kisame acknowledged madara as the mizukage, so why duz that mean he cant be the 3rd, durrrrh!!!
we also kno that the MS all have similar or the same powers, so why cudnt the master of the EMS use similar powers to shisui,,,,,, moreover, why wud he need to use it wen he can use tsukuyomi!!!!
and if he has lost his power, i think pein cud use a genjutsu powerful enuf to control the 4th mizukage....so thers goes the need for madara to steel shisuis eyes......
but i do agree that itachi might have just found out bout shisuis death wen the police came to his house
im done for now :)
scuse me, i meant the water willage ofc.
rao.dushyanth
October 21, 2009, 06:18 AM
There's nothing wrong with putting one eye into another eye socket, it's not like with feet or arms, an eye is an eye, it's identical :D
LOL..... socket sounds kind of funny like socket 939, 476, LGA 1366!!!!....
its like buying motherboards(sauske body) with multi (eye)sockets.. and fit everything (sasuke+itachi eye) parallel..or replace an low end processor(sasuke's eye) with a faster processor(itachi's eye)
Kishi.. is a hardcore fan of computer hardware..i guess
he is assembling now in human bodies without a glitch....like danzou having shisui's arm and eye etc..and stuff like that...
Guys,, this is not an insult to anyone.. instantly i found it funny to reply.. thats all...Laugh out loudly and carry on with the discussion..:)
cheers...
Tazered
October 22, 2009, 03:08 PM
But what I haven't heard is this... could 'Madara' really be Danzo in disguise? Think about the timing of events, things like kage bunshin and Madara's instant transport ability as well as the fact that they both only have one sharingan eye exposed and the one person able to tell the difference was absent when Madara appeared before the five(four) Kage.
Add to that the fact that Danzo seemes to have kept his sharingan a secret from the Hyuuga and Madara's penchant for playing roles (Tobi is a good boy!) is it so far fetched in a manga with people who have split personalites, are able to possess other bodies and turn into a giant monster fox?
Forever_Melody
October 22, 2009, 03:33 PM
But what I haven't heard is this... could 'Madara' really be Danzo in disguise? Think about the timing of events, things like kage bunshin and Madara's instant transport ability as well as the fact that they both only have one sharingan eye exposed and the one person able to tell the difference was absent when Madara appeared before the five(four) Kage.
Add to that the fact that Danzo seemes to have kept his sharingan a secret from the Hyuuga and Madara's penchant for playing roles (Tobi is a good boy!) is it so far fetched in a manga with people who have split personalites, are able to possess other bodies and turn into a giant monster fox?
There's a whole thread dedicated to "Madara is Danzou"(link (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33703)) so the idea has been done to death and back lol :p Don't worry, it's been mentioned before...a lot :XD
Basically, in a sense it works, but the actions that Danzou & Madara took wouldn't make sense in the scenario that they were the same person.
For example, why would Danzou want to stop Naruto from coming back from Myoubokuzan(by killing the messenger toad) when Pain invaded Konoha? That would make little sense considering Madara would want Naruto to get captured by Pain.
pjoto
October 24, 2009, 05:51 PM
if that is the case then why did Itachi said to naruto that I hope you will never use this...
He just told you why. Because Itachi would rather such extremes not be taken by Naruto against his little brother.
I think you're thinking wrong, try doing it backwards.
Maybe Itachi said "I hope you never have to use this" because he hoped Sasuke would follow his own path for freedom instead of coming back to Konoha for revenge and war, the very thing Itachi tried to protect him from.
Not because he was afraid Naruto was going to hurt his little brother, but because he didn't want a situation where it would be neccesairy to use this new "skill" to ever appear in the first place.
I think Naruto and Sasuke will meet, fight, talk and Naruto will convince Sasuke to surrender his anger, he will accept, but in that moment Danzou turns up and injures/kills one of his Hebi-members. Sasuke snaps and uses Mangekyu Sharingan on Naruto to get past him, and in that moment Itachi will appear in front of him from Naruto's mind and tells him the whole truth and ask him for forgivenes. Sasuke will break down in tears, meanwhile Sakura tears Danzou a new one and heals whoever got hurt/near killed and all will be well in the city of Konoha.
Or it could be the ability to controll the Kyubii, Naruto just hasn't activated it yet, it needs a trigger, like Sasuke's Sharingan trying to kill him or something.
pirateninjahunter
November 03, 2009, 08:24 PM
Let me tell you something. If what you say is right, would madara want to show his face to Sasuke?
If sasuke had seen that Madara has only one eye, he would think that it is weird.
Madara was about to show his face to sasuke, and that means that he had nothing weird to show.
I have another theory, the theory that Tobi is not an uchiha. He is only using one of the uchiha's eyes, but he is not an Uchiha. It is actually just a wild guess.
peinfollower
January 03, 2010, 01:06 AM
We can only imagine what Itachi's power to Naruto is until his fight with Sasuke, but just imagine how epic it is if its the Totsuka blade!
Ukun
January 08, 2010, 03:01 PM
We can eliminate the possibility that Danzo is Madara for the soul fact that Sasuke's Amaterasu is set to activate upon seeing his(Madara's) Sharingan. Plus the one guy from kirigakure said that Danzo's eye was of Shisui's.
I agree with Pjoto in that the "power" Itachi gave Naruto is not necessarily something that can damage Sasuke, but was a fail safe in case Madara got to Sasuke anyway and told him lies(or truth) to gain his trust. Perhaps the power in Naruto is one that will show Sasuke the truth directly from Itachi or something like that.
Straw.Hat Luffy
January 08, 2010, 04:38 PM
Nice theories MotherRussia
The other thing is that Itachi didn't kill Shisui and only when he heard of his death and he knew who it was, he awakened MS. It was still not completely developed though, but this gives us explanation to how the MS is really awakened, and it is when one feels he lost somebody dear to him
Very well pointed out! Itachi was waiting for Sarutobi to talk over the "killing Uchihas" thing, so there is no way he'd kill Shisui before receiving the order to massacre the clan. Also, Itachi knew Danzo was the one behind that, because he warned him to "Not lay a finger on Sasuke" and that means "don't take his eyes".
zimzumzerito
May 29, 2010, 04:50 PM
Do you guys think this power will be the key to defeat sasuke?
leito
May 29, 2010, 05:09 PM
hmmm... There is something that I thought about:
1. We know that Sharingan was unefective on Jinjurikies (Bee's and Sasukes fight).
So we know that Sasuke only Sharingan weapon against a Jinjuriki is his Amaterasu and Susanoo
2. OK we dont know whats Sasukes EMS power is....
3. We also dont really know what Kyubis "real" power is...
4. So I think that Itachi somehow implanted the Amaterasu defensive something like he did on Sasuke, so if Naruto should fight Sasuke under some circustances that are unknown know (yes they met lastly and Itachis gift did not appeared), Itachis gift would take efect
5. Or my second thought... It could be some kind help in controlling Kyubis inside Naruto. It would not wonder me If controlling Kyubi would be impossible (beside the Sharingan controll). OK, so Itachis gift as help for controlling Kyubi but I can't imagine what kind of "form" this gift would take
hawaplop
May 29, 2010, 08:07 PM
Well if it's "like what Itachi did for Sasuke" then Naruto would've had to of seen Sasuke's sharingan for it to activate, and Naruto didn't see Sasuke's sharingan when they last met, so the "gift" didn't happen.
I definitely believe there was a reason why Naruto didn't showup until Sasuke's sharingan was inactive.
Alterno
May 29, 2010, 11:12 PM
Do you guys think this power will be the key to defeat sasuke?
I don't think it will be the key to defeat Sasuke, but I believe it will play a major role in getting Sasuke back to being good.
fullmoon
May 30, 2010, 12:54 AM
"What kind of power Naruto receives from ITACHI?"
My poor imagination can only reach to a scene like Itachi shows up in Sasuke mind and lecturing him.
Do you guys think this power will be the key to defeat sasuke?
This one I can answer...
Nah, it's not for Naruto to defeat Sasuke; it's for stopping him, returning him to the good side. Itachi loved his brother and he want Sas to be strong, right? Then helping others to beat Sasuke black and blue not gonna be the case :hbunny
Cykai
May 30, 2010, 01:54 AM
whatever it is i can only hope it happens before naruto and sasuke fight. i would hate to see the series end on naruto winning because an uchiha. i mean talk about a kick to the nuts! " you only won because of my clansmen" POW!
hopefully it's just a prep talk for naruto, and it having itachi saying something along the lines of " my brother cannot be saved you must end his life to ensure the future of konoha" giving naruto to will to kill sasuke.
or maybe that's just me day dreaming again.
juUnior
May 30, 2010, 04:48 AM
I don't think it will be the key to defeat Sasuke, but I believe it will play a major role in getting Sasuke back to being good.
I think exactly the same. It can be - simple - just some "nice" info from Itachi to Sasuke, for example of course.
exdahzy
May 30, 2010, 08:17 AM
he sealed part of his mind inside naruto like the 4th did in his seal, to help confront sasuke
kazeofsilence
May 30, 2010, 08:28 AM
I believe the Itachigan is going to end up being a special Tsukuyomi that shows both Sasuke and Naruto the truth about everything we have limited knowledge about. Itachi's meetings/interactions with Shisui including the 'assassination of Shisui'. His orders from Danzou, meeting Madara and training with him, the truth of who did what exactly in the Uchiha Massacre such as who really killed Sasuke and Itachi's parents (something that to me seemed like Itachi did not actually do and Sasuke just ran in on him looking at what Madara might have done himself.), and the most important facts that Kishi has been holding back from us all this time: Tobi's true identity, the reason Madara has a mausoleum labortatory, why every Akatsuki members' goal/abilities/etc related to immortality, and finally the means in which to defeat Uchiha Madara once and for all.
Jspot
May 30, 2010, 09:24 AM
Know what would be totally awesome?
If Itachi's "gift" to Naruto wasn't a gift at all, and instead, was a planted weakness to allow Sasuke's sharingan to effectively work on him. A furtherance of his love for his brother.
It would make absolutely no sense, and I'm 100% positive that this will never happen (nor do I want it to), but it'd have everyone going, "WHAAAAAAT?!"
Realistically, it's probably a genjutsu.
drakend
May 30, 2010, 09:53 AM
This one I can answer...
Nah, it's not for Naruto to defeat Sasuke; it's for stopping him, returning him to the good side. Itachi loved his brother and he want Sas to be strong, right? Then helping others to beat Sasuke black and blue not gonna be the case :hbunny
Since when international terrorists are accepted on the good side? :)
Here it isn't a "rescue Sasuke arc" anymore... Naruto can convert him back all he likes, but Sasuke will need to go through a trial where he could be sentenced to death or life prison most likely.
shinsengumi
May 30, 2010, 10:06 AM
i always believed it was some kind of genjutsu which will be triggered on some point ,maybe an interruption inside of a genjutsu sasuke created himself
and i dont believe it is something about power at all . like the 4th talked to naruto ,itachi will appear to sasuke and they will have 1 real talk after so long and like the other people said above , it will have the strongest impact on sasuke's changing heart in the end . maybe we will hear the real story this time from itachi's voice!!
gnut
May 30, 2010, 02:57 PM
maybe it's something to help in his fight with the kyuubi.itachi was smart,he might have planned this might happen if naruto turned out strong enough.
Shinomori Aoshi
May 30, 2010, 03:52 PM
I believe the Itachigan is going to end up being a special Tsukuyomi that shows both Sasuke and Naruto the truth about everything we have limited knowledge about. Itachi's meetings/interactions with Shisui including the 'assassination of Shisui'. His orders from Danzou, meeting Madara and training with him, the truth of who did what exactly in the Uchiha Massacre such as who really killed Sasuke and Itachi's parents (something that to me seemed like Itachi did not actually do and Sasuke just ran in on him looking at what Madara might have done himself.), and the most important facts that Kishi has been holding back from us all this time: Tobi's true identity, the reason Madara has a mausoleum labortatory, why every Akatsuki members' goal/abilities/etc related to immortality, and finally the means in which to defeat Uchiha Madara once and for all.
I would love it if that was to happen! Especially the bolded part. And also what shinsengumi said.
hawaplop
May 30, 2010, 10:53 PM
maybe it's something to help in his fight with the kyuubi.itachi was smart,he might have planned this might happen if naruto turned out strong enough.
This doesn't really fit in with Itachi's quote "i hope the day never comes when you will need to use this power."
Why would he say that about Naruto pwning the Kyuubi?
It's about Itachi hoping that his bro doesn't become such a douche that Naruto would need his power to either stop/help him in some way.
fullmoon
May 31, 2010, 12:58 AM
Since when international terrorists are accepted on the good side? :)
Here it isn't a "rescue Sasuke arc" anymore... Naruto can convert him back all he likes, but Sasuke will need to go through a trial where he could be sentenced to death or life prison most likely.
Ui.. I stated that the power Itachi gave Naruto will help making Sasuke lets go of his revenged obsession. Maybe not much or may be the key point for Sas to come back, I honestly don't know but that's the purpose of the crow Itachi fed Naruto imo (ew.. :s) which is the comment for this topic.
This is also not the "will Sasuke be rescued?" thread... I believed.
I agree with u that Sasuke comes back is not easy but I think there is a thread discuss it here (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60772)
Edit: Hope u not mad with the way I rep, nothing personal, really.. :eyeroll
Eprst
May 31, 2010, 08:41 AM
He implanted Sasuke one of his MS eyes - remember how it reacted to Madaras sharingan, it shooted Amaterasu.
So that means other eye is implanted to Naruto, and it will shoot Sasuke with Tsukuyomi. Or it might be Izanagi - now Naruto can die once and still be alive...
shinsengumi
May 31, 2010, 09:24 AM
He implanted Sasuke one of his MS eyes - remember how it reacted to Madaras sharingan, it shooted Amaterasu.
So that means other eye is implanted to Naruto, and it will shoot Sasuke with Tsukuyomi. Or it might be Izanagi - now Naruto can die once and still be alive...
i liked the explanation you made there , implanting the source of the eye -amaterasu on sasuke -tsukiyomi on naruto (this can explain how it is possible if itachi really appears as a genjutsu)
..BUT ..
izanagi ? seriously ? i mean, we all know that you need a sharingan eye to be able to do that ,wrong ? its not about sharingan powers or MS powers or EMS powers ,for all we know the eye doesnt even need to be active or working ,danzo just had them like buttons stitched on his skin (through biological jutsu experiments) but it was enough for izanagi to work . the actual eye is all you need and it can not be the gift itachi gave naruto
and all in all , even if it was true , naruto has to know that he has a sharingan eye implanted in him and he has to know at least some basics about izanagi too .at this point without any reason to believe naruto knowing anything about izanagi ,even if he had the tech he wouldnt be able to use it
DanielKnoT
May 31, 2010, 09:58 AM
Itachi love his brother, and Naruto dont want to kill Sasuke, so I doubt that Itachi gave to Naruto a power or a jutsu of that level to kills Sasuke..
I like the idea of some kind of Genjutsu when naruto looks the new Sharingan EMS of Sasuke it triggers a Genjutsu were Itachi appears and speaks with Sasuke to tells him the truth about the massacre of his Clan and Madara...
Something like the seal that Minato left inside of Naruto when he realese 8 tails of the Kyubi..
Gats
May 31, 2010, 10:21 AM
Itachi love his brother, and Naruto dont want to kill Sasuke, so I doubt that Itachi gave to Naruto a power or a jutsu of that level to kills Sasuke..
I like the idea of some kind of Genjutsu when naruto looks the new Sharingan EMS of Sasuke it triggers a Genjutsu were Itachi appears and speaks with Sasuke to tells him the truth about the massacre of his Clan and Madara...
Something like the seal that Minato left inside of Naruto when he realese 8 tails of the Kyubi..
I don't think, since Itachi told Naruto that he hoped that the day he will have to use this power will never come. So it should be something dangerous for Sasuke.
Eprst
May 31, 2010, 11:41 AM
I don't think, since Itachi told Naruto that he hoped that the day he will have to use this power will never come. So it should be something dangerous for Sasuke.
I agree - it must be something very dangerous and surprising - it might be his Susanoo. We will probably see it at the very end of manga. And i don't think that it will make Sasuke good, it probably should kill Sasuke!:o
fullmoon
May 31, 2010, 12:27 PM
I don't think, since Itachi told Naruto that he hoped that the day he will have to use this power will never come. So it should be something dangerous for Sasuke.
I think when he said "that day will never come" means the day Sasuke knows the truth then attacks the village and Naruto will have to fight him --> that power Itachi left is in need.
I just can't think of Itachi would do smt dangerous to Sas. What did he gave up for his brother so far?! I can always see Kishi's respect to brother/family-hood this entire story.
Gats
May 31, 2010, 12:37 PM
I think when he said "that day will never come" means the day Sasuke knows the truth then attacks the village and Naruto will have to fight him --> that power Itachi left is in need.
I just can't think of Itachi would do smt dangerous to Sas. What did he gave up for his brother so far?! I can always see Kishi's respect to brother/family-hood this entire story.
No he said the day that naruto would have to use his power, not just the day. Besides it would change nothing even if you were quoting right. So it's the day when Naruto will fight Sasuke.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
THM Nindo
May 31, 2010, 12:51 PM
About that, it better only be a little message for Sasuke and not a cheat for Naruto to win...
I want Naruto to win on fair ground, not win because of Itachi! :mad
I think it might just be something that will help Naruto to convince Sasuke once he defeated him.
Maybe Sasuke will be like : "You might have win this fight, but I'll continue on! I'll never stop! For the sake of my brother, Itachi!"
And then the message will pop and Itachi will appear in front of him, or something like that...
PS: I could swear there was another thread for that topic... :notrust
boyakist4649
May 31, 2010, 12:53 PM
In agreement with everyone else - I think the key statement by Itachi is that 'he hopes that Naruto does not have to use this power'
I am hoping that it will reveal more about the mysteries that shadow the once-proud Itachi clan, but realistically it must be something that will prevent Sasuke from becoming a complete evil in the world of Naruto. As to what it exactly is... it's anyone's guess.
Gats
May 31, 2010, 01:11 PM
About that, it better only be a little message for Sasuke and not a cheat for Naruto to win...
I want Naruto to win on fair ground, not win because of Itachi! :mad
I think it might just be something that will help Naruto to convince Sasuke once he defeated him.
Maybe Sasuke will be like : "You might have win this fight, but I'll continue on! I'll never stop! For the sake of my brother, Itachi!"
And then the message will pop and Itachi will appear in front of him, or something like that...
PS: I could swear there was another thread for that topic... :notrust
I guess I just have to copy/paste my answer :
If it's only something like that, there would be no need for Itachi to hope that it won't happen.
So this will be definitively something dangerous.
Rikudou Sennin
May 31, 2010, 01:17 PM
I guess I just have to copy/paste my answer :
If it's only something like that, there would be no need for Itachi to hope that it won't happen.
So this will be definitively something dangerous.
I agree with you.
It might be Susanno or , even more precisley, this totsuoka sword thing.
Or way more better, something completly new!
enmymiguel
May 31, 2010, 01:36 PM
damn to think sasuke is going to lose against naruto, make me sick.
just because hes the main character.
i mean they not going to make the main character lose twice in a road to the same guy.
i think itachi predict that sasuke was going to take hes eyes.
so he make a jutsu that only work on itachi eyes, and thats what sasuke have.
images if the jutsu is to cancel every EMS jutsu for a day.
THM Nindo
May 31, 2010, 02:38 PM
I guess I just have to copy/paste my answer :
If it's only something like that, there would be no need for Itachi to hope that it won't happen.
So this will be definitively something dangerous.
Not really...
When he said "I hope you'll never have to use it" or something like that, he could simply meant that he hoped that Sasuke would never go to the Dark side.
fullmoon
May 31, 2010, 02:43 PM
No he said the day that naruto would have to use his power, not just the day. Besides it would change nothing even if you were quoting right. So it's the day when Naruto will fight Sasuke.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
With all due respect, it's must be my false for didn't make myself clear enough.
I didn't meant to quote when said "that day will never come", it's just my way of making my sentence less confusing. Sorry I bothering u with that. :)
The 2nd thing is that I do see what day is the day Itachi said. It's "the day when Naruto will fight Sasuke" (like u said) I agree.
But there seems to be 1 thing we disagree here is I also concern about the whole scenario including the part "Sas knows the truth":
Sasuke knows the truth then attacks the village and Naruto will have to fight him --> that power Itachi left is in need.(this is me saying)
which I think would change everything. What Itachi didn't want to happen here first is for Sas to know the truth then lead to the day of Naruto and Sasuke's fight. And since he was talking to Naruto, the only one he mentioned is the day which will directly related to Naruto.
Lets we look at it another way: if Sas don't know the truth then he will become the 'hero' of Leaf like Itachi's plan --> still made Sasuke his priority.
IMO, that shows how much Itachi cared about Sas which is why I think this power will not be dangerous to Sas but will be smt like I stated in my first post in this thread.
Well, that's pretty much everything in my head when I made the post earlier. If u still don't agree then lets just say we see this prob in different ways then. :eyeroll
Eprst
May 31, 2010, 02:49 PM
OMG - just got an idea?
What if Itachi knew about Narutos potencial, and this power should save Sasuke but not kill him?
What if - when Naruto is about to finish the battle with his ultimate "that" jutsu (which is rasengan with Kyubi with 9 tails inside), his hand slips by Itachis power and then his hand pokes Sasuke by Itachi power!
Gats
May 31, 2010, 03:46 PM
Not really...
When he said "I hope you'll never have to use it" or something like that, he could simply meant that he hoped that Sasuke would never go to the Dark side.
Do you really think that Itachi would convince Sasuke to stop when Sasuke knows already very well his brother's wishes but doesn't want to fullfill those ?
It has to be something that is something dangerous for Sasuke. Why ? Because if you remember well, one of the main reason of Sasuke revenge (I think it's the main actually) is convinced (by Madara) that his brother value more his life than Konohas.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/08-09/
That the key point, this is the main trigger that pushed him to go revenge and to activate the almost full hatred Susano'o against Danzou.
If Itachi's wishes couldn't stop Sasuke, the only potential thing that would possibly stop him is to make him realize that his life didn't weigh more than the village from Itachi's point of view (besides what Naruto would say). This will be traduced by something going out from Naruto that Sasuke will recognize as Itachi's power, and this power will be there to kill him or something similar.
All the things the manga is building seem to lead to something like this. That's why I think that Itachi's gift will be dangerous for Sasuke.
@Fullmoon : Itachi cared about Sasuke, but I think we will see (Sasuke too) that he doesn't care about him more than the village for the reasons above.
insid3rkill3r
May 31, 2010, 04:56 PM
Sasuke didnt stop his revenge, because he cares about Itachi too much. His loss is simply way too hard to accept.
The only thing that will stop Sasuke, is none other than itachi himself.
Sasuke kinda respects Naruto, deep inside his heart, he likes him and cares for him, but obviously, the truth about Itachi made the old Sasuke fall down into the ground, now all we see is his anger.
Itachi gave Naruto his power because he believed, that Naruto would be able to save both the village and Sasuke, or at the very least had the desire to.
If Naruto cannot completly save Sasuke from his hatred, the gift will.
Honestly, perhaps none many shares the same opinion as me but, i dont think the fight between Naruto and Sasuke is bound to end, i think it will be interrupted.
Sasuke isnt the primary vilain, he is a peon. His hard life was used to make Madara's plan come true, Madara is the only mastermiind behind all of this. He is the curse that is bound to be broken by the 2 sons of the Sage, which were entrusted to do so before his death.
Sasuke and Naruto vs Madara will happen. Sasuke is bound to die due to the crimes he has commited, wether killing some random samurais or attempting to get killer bee isnt enough for some of u guys, he would be pronouced a criminal that deserves punisher, and for that reason i dont see in any ways, Sasuke living after all the drama is gone. He will be killed, but will redeem his actions.
Itachi planned everything, i think the power he gave to Naruto is an apparition of himself. i thought like some people at first that it could be some immunity to amaterasu, perhaps it could be but i think it went further than that.
Naruto owning his win due to Itachi giving power would indeed make fans angry, and it woulnd indeed not the best scenario i believe, which is why i highly HOPE and BELIEVE that we havent seen Itachi for the last time yet.
He will appear once more to make Sasuke realise that Madara is to blame and that Konoha despiste havent been as white as snow shouldnt be blamed for all of this. Sasuke wont piss on Itachi if he shows up in front of him, he will cry and fall on his knees, there wouldnt be any more effiecient way to turn Sasuke on the right way than having the person he cares the most for appear in front of him once last time.
The last thing Itachi wanted for Sasuke to happpen was to learn the truth because he knew that Sasuke would be broken, that is also why an apparition of himself confirming the truth abotu himself would also be used as a last ressort thing to counter Sasuke's moves.
I hope for that to be what will happen.
Bling
May 31, 2010, 05:05 PM
I'm pretty sure that it's either some way to seal Sasuke's sharingan for ever, OR it's the way for Naruto to learn to use Shiki Fūjin. I'm pretty confident on this, since Naruto's talk over how in the end they will end up killing eachother if they fight again.
Sorry for not linking chapters but im pretty tired atm
pjoto
May 31, 2010, 05:55 PM
Sasuke is all out evhull now, with blood colder than the Kyubii itself. It'll take something epic to change his feelings. He'll have to meet up with Itachi himself and hear the whole truth. Only then can he have a change of heart. But I don't think it'll be as easy as Sasuke using the Sharingan on Naruto and then Itachi showing up in the doujutsu. Remember when Itachi gave Naruto "the gift", he said he hoped Naruto'd never have to use it.
It could mean it's dangerous, or he was just hoping Sasuke would make the right choice, cuz then the gift would be useless, he wouldn't ever have to use it.
Anyway, I can't wait to see their reunion, I'm sure Sasuke's badass fasade'll tear down in secounds and he'll break out in tears like a little kid, screaming for help. Itachi'll tell him the whole truth (whatever it is) and together with Naruto and Team-7 they'll save Konoha and the Fire Country.
Or, possibly, when Sasuke uses Itachi's eyes on Naruto, he'll go blind. A failsafe from Itachi. He won't die, but he can't start a war without his Sharingan/eyes either.
That'll cool him down some, giving Naruto enough time to talk some sence into him.
Maybe they'll team up after some time, go to the Waterfalls of Truth, get rid off Sasuke's inner hatred, give him back that perfect chakra (and mystericly fix his eyes). Then Karin can help Team-7 out as well. She seems kinda cool.
Son-Derling
May 31, 2010, 06:02 PM
I thought Zetsu made the observation that Itachi fought against Sasuke without his normal Items (when Itachi stabbed Orochimarus snake with the sword)....so i thought it was quit obvious that he gave 1,2 whatever items to Naruto...
Xiraiya
May 31, 2010, 08:52 PM
I thought Zetsu made the observation that Itachi fought against Sasuke without his normal Items (when Itachi stabbed Orochimarus snake with the sword)....so i thought it was quit obvious that he gave 1,2 whatever items to Naruto...
No, Zetsu was talking about Itachi being much much weaker than usual. Which was a combination of trying to act out a real fight but also to avoid killing Sasuke, that and he was incredibly ill at the time as well and also going blind.
His Susano'o was indeed equipped with it's regular items, hence how he used the Sword of his Susano'o to remove Orochimaru for good.
M3J
May 31, 2010, 11:14 PM
I think the power has to do something with helping Naruto out when he and Sasuke fight, even if just a bit. It could be genjutsu related or something to fight Sasuke's Mangekyou. It also could be Itachi giving Sharingan to Naruto, only if Naruto sees Sasuke's Sharingan or something.
It could also be Itachi talking with Sasuke in a genjtsu.
THM Nindo
June 01, 2010, 12:07 AM
Do you really think that Itachi would convince Sasuke to stop when Sasuke knows already very well his brother's wishes but doesn't want to fullfill those ?
Well... Sasuke is lost...
He thinks he's doing the right thing!
Just look at when he killed Danzou!
He said «I send you the first, brother!» like if that was what Itachi wanted.
Having a real talk face to face with Itachi would probably help him change his mind.
I don't know... I just don't want Naruto to win or to be saved by Itachi's power, because we will hear forever on those thread that «Sasuke would have win if that wasn't from Itachi's help.»
shinsengumi
June 01, 2010, 05:58 AM
^i agree with you completely
and secondly , i think we cant really estimate how much or what kind of an effect itachi may put on sasuke or may not .. there are too many unknowns blocking our vision and it all depends on what itachi will tell to sasuke (if he will really appears as we expected)
just imaginary senarios;
- what if he tells that madara was also behind the uchiha slaughther ? the hidden hand who helped danzou convince others?
- what if he tells that the revolt of the uchihas were actually plotting for something bigger ? like world-domination for ex. what if he can really show that sasuke&itachi's parents were truly evil behind the scene and they had to be destroyed
-what if he can show what happened during the decision of the massacre ? maybe everyone just denied but the power danzou and elders put was higher so it was accepted anyway .this shows that there is no real hospitality towards the uchihas in the village in spite of how sasuke is picturing it in his mind .
it can also be something completely different which we have no clue on for now .i strongly believe that there are still big and nasty truths awaiting to be told about the past
Gats
June 01, 2010, 11:40 AM
Well... Sasuke is lost...
He thinks he's doing the right thing!
Just look at when he killed Danzou!
He said «I send you the first, brother!» like if that was what Itachi wanted.
Having a real talk face to face with Itachi would probably help him change his mind.
I don't know... I just don't want Naruto to win or to be saved by Itachi's power, because we will hear forever on those thread that «Sasuke would have win if that wasn't from Itachi's help.»
Everyone in this manga, besides Oro/Kabuto, thinks they are doing the right thing.
Sasuke is acting as if Itachi would have to make a choice between Konoha and his brother, it would be his brother first. Which is not the case, Sasuke will discover that he is not more important than Konoha for his brother sooner or later. It will be Itachi's way, it will be harsh.
SilentBob777
June 01, 2010, 12:13 PM
Everyone in this manga, besides Oro/Kabuto, thinks they are doing the right thing.
Sasuke is acting as if Itachi would have to make a choice between Konoha and his brother, it would be his brother first. Which is not the case, Sasuke will discover that he is not more important than Konoha for his brother sooner or later. It will be Itachi's way, it will be harsh.
And what makes you think that Itachi would pick Konoha over Sasuke?
Gats
June 01, 2010, 01:02 PM
And what makes you think that Itachi would pick Konoha over Sasuke?
Because his past story. He is traumatized by war, he worked non-stop for his village and top of this he chose to kill the whole Uchiha Clan, we can also see that he didn't appreciate his clanmates at all. But Sasuke was his little brother who knew nothing about what's going on so he gave him a chance. But now, Sasuke chose his side and decided to attack the village, which put him as the same position as the Uchiha Clan. Sasuke decided to take a path that Itachi fought during all his life, the path of war (a war against the world now), even if he is alone. If Naruto fails, Itachi will show no mercy to Sasuke.
kisame123
June 01, 2010, 01:07 PM
Everyone in this manga, besides Oro/Kabuto, thinks they are doing the right thing.
Sasuke is acting as if Itachi would have to make a choice between Konoha and his brother, it would be his brother first. Which is not the case, Sasuke will discover that he is not more important than Konoha for his brother sooner or later. It will be Itachi's way, it will be harsh.
not really, Sasuke is more important to Itachi, than is Konoha. that is a clear fact, otherwise Itachi would have sacrificed Sasuke to protect the village. he couldn't bring himself to do that because he loved his brother too much, to protect Konoha. if Konoha were really that important, he would have tried to take out Madara much earlier. however, that was only attempted when Madara approached Sasuke, in an effort to keep him away from his brother. in other words, everything revolves around Sasuke. Itachi's power, given to Naruto, is going to be another gift to Sasuke. this time, it is not going to be a power-up (like the EMS) for Sasuke, but rather another form of showing Sasuke, that even in death, Itachi still wants what's best for him. when that power is demonstrated in the battle, it will show Sasuke that Itachi doesn't want him sinking any further and truly wants him to prosper. he had already intended for Sasuke to prosper and live a happy life, and although that failed, he is still going to try to send that message to Sasuke again.
I can already see the ending of that fight. Naruto and Sasuke give it their all, but Sasuke still has one trump card left. Itachi's power manifests itself automatically, changing the outcome. Sasuke screams, being unable to maintain his composure at the sight of his brother communicating through the dead, having a hard time believing that it is really Itachi. Naruto and Sasuke both charge at each other with, you guessed it, Rasengan vs Chidori. Sasuke can't strike Naruto due to the fact that Naruto is basically the last remnant of Itachi, and Naruto's rasengan disappears, with him poking him on the forehead instead. it's basically a repeat of the fight at the valley of the end, when Naruto scratched Sasuke's protector. except this time, it will be Itachi's two-finger poke. Sasuke starts sobbing, and there will probably be a genjutsu message from Itachi, telling Sasuke that a part of Itachi will always be in Naruto. by giving Naruto that power, Itachi is telling Sasuke that Naruto will be a better brother to Sasuke, than Itachi could have ever been. from that point, Naruto and Sasuke will become true brothers, literally, and just as Naruto wanted.
Gats
June 01, 2010, 01:51 PM
not really, Sasuke is more important to Itachi, than is Konoha. that is a clear fact, otherwise Itachi would have sacrificed Sasuke to protect the village. he couldn't bring himself to do that because he loved his brother too much, to protect Konoha. if Konoha were really that important, he would have tried to take out Madara much earlier. however, that was only attempted when Madara approached Sasuke, in an effort to keep him away from his brother. in other words, everything revolves around Sasuke. Itachi's power, given to Naruto, is going to be another gift to Sasuke. this time, it is not going to be a power-up (like the EMS) for Sasuke, but rather another form of showing Sasuke, that even in death, Itachi still wants what's best for him. when that power is demonstrated in the battle, it will show Sasuke that Itachi doesn't want him sinking any further and truly wants him to prosper. he had already intended for Sasuke to prosper and live a happy life, and although that failed, he is still going to try to send that message to Sasuke again.
I can already see the ending of that fight. Naruto and Sasuke give it their all, but Sasuke still has one trump card left. Itachi's power manifests itself automatically, changing the outcome. Sasuke screams, being unable to maintain his composure at the sight of his brother communicating through the dead, having a hard time believing that it is really Itachi. Naruto and Sasuke both charge at each other with, you guessed it, Rasengan vs Chidori. Sasuke can't strike Naruto due to the fact that Naruto is basically the last remnant of Itachi, and Naruto's rasengan disappears, with him poking him on the forehead instead. it's basically a repeat of the fight at the valley of the end, when Naruto scratched Sasuke's protector. except this time, it will be Itachi's two-finger poke. Sasuke starts sobbing, and there will probably be a genjutsu message from Itachi, telling Sasuke that a part of Itachi will always be in Naruto. by giving Naruto that power, Itachi is telling Sasuke that Naruto will be a better brother to Sasuke, than Itachi could have ever been. from that point, Naruto and Sasuke will become true brothers, literally, and just as Naruto wanted.
Sasuke is more important to Itachi, than is Konoha => those are the word of a real manipulator like Madara. The key point.
Seems you have been convinced by Madara just like Sasuke.
The fact that he spared Sasuke doesn't mean that he was MORE important, he could be simply AS important as the village. Do you really think that Itachi would prefer to destroy the village than killing Sasuke when he chooses to take the path of revenge against Konoha ?
And what do you know about him and Madara ? He probably tried but failed who knows. Madara is so cautious, the only way to take down Madara would be by total surprise and the hidden Amateratsu inside Sasuke WAS a big surprise for Madara. Do you really think that Madara would be "in solid phase" when he knew that Itachi was near ?
If you were right on everything and if the power given to Naruto is a gift to Sasuke there is no reason to say all that lecturing about "painful choice" as a ninja :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
kisame123
June 01, 2010, 03:26 PM
see, it's stuff like this:
Which is not the case, Sasuke will discover that he is not more important than Konoha for his brother sooner or later. It will be Itachi's way, it will be harsh.
or this:
If Naruto fails, Itachi will show no mercy to Sasuke.
that shows wishful thinking. I understand it's difficult to accept the fact that an awesome character like Itachi loved a hated character like Sasuke, but they are brothers.
Sasuke is more important to Itachi, than is Konoha => those are the word of a real manipulator like Madara. The key point.
Seems you have been convinced by Madara just like Sasuke.
again, this is just wishful thinking. to strongly believe that everything Madara has told Sasuke, is a complete lie, is nothing more than wishful thinking and completely void of facts. rather than calling me a "brainwashed" fan, why not just accept that fact that, other than the Kyuubi, Madara has told the truth and there is nothing to reject his story?
The fact that he spared Sasuke doesn't mean that he was MORE important, he could be simply AS important as the village. Do you really think that Itachi would prefer to destroy the village than killing Sasuke he chooses to take the path of revenge against Konoha?
again with these ideas that everything Madara has stated is false or a deception? for the last time, tell me, whether it makes any sense for Kishimoto to point out that the Uchiha were rightfully slaughtered or that Sasuke was wrong, and Itachi preferred Konoha over Sasuke? why in the world is Kishimoto going to reveal this during Sasuke's fight with Naruto? I'm not saying that you believe that the Uchiha were rightfully slaughtered, but plenty of people here do and that ties in with the other parts of Madara's story, especially the part about Sasuke being more important than Konoha. all of this would mean Kishimoto will write a twisted conclusion to the story. it doesn't make any sense, none at all.
anyways, when did I say that Itachi "would prefer to destroy the village than kill Sasuke"? I said Sasuke was more important than the village, that's all there is to it. Itachi never expected Sasuke to go on the path of revenge, that was an unexpected outcome. to prepare for the possibility of such an outcome, Itachi gave his power to Naruto to protect Konoha and save Sasuke. this does not mean at all that Itachi wouldn't give a damn about people getting killed by Sasuke. any person of a sane mind would try to prevent that, and giving power to Naruto is simply a way of stopping his brother from committing that act. it doesn't have anything to do with loving Konoha more or even "as" much as his brother. if Sasuke would threaten to annihilate another entire village, Itachi would have likely done the same thing.
if Konoha were "as" important as Sasuke, Itachi would have shown it in his actions during his membership in Akatsuki. as I have stated before, Itachi simply could have taken out Madara or even tried. the fact that he hasn't even tried to do that, means that he doesn't make this idea of protecting Konoha a priority. he sealed an amaterasu into Madara, as an attempt to keep him away from Sasuke so that he cannot be corrupted and that Sasuke would follow the path laid out for him by Itachi, not to protect Konoha. if Konoha were really that important, he wouldn't have threatened to release the village's secrets to hostile nations. don't try to point out that Konoha weighed equally on the scale to Sasuke. leaking intelligence to hostile nations, would mean the end of Konoha and its innocent civilians. would Itachi really have harmed the innocent civilians if his brother was on the line, yes.
And what do you know about him and Madara ? He probably tried but failed who knows. Madara is so cautious, the only way to take down Madara would be by total surprise and the hidden Amateratsu inside Sasuke WAS a big surprise for Madara. Do you really think that Madara would be "in solid phase" when he knew that Itachi was near ?
there is no proof that Itachi had tried to take out Madara beforehand, but there is proof that Itachi kept Madara at bay. Itachi was the one thing stopping Madara, or even Akatsuki for that matter, from attacking Konoha. as Itachi said, Madara is just a shell of his former past. Itachi could have fought Madara and beaten him, given the fact that he was the only thing keeping Madara and his plans on a leash and hence, the only one powerful enough to kill him. as for Madara being in a "solid" phase, it's pointless to argue that because of that Itachi couldn't have killed him.
we have seen that Madara can be damaged and can even feel pain. Madara is naturally in his solid state, unless he feels it necessary to phase his body. this means that Madara has to react to a jutsu if it were to be directed towards him. you say that amaterasu caught Madara was a surprise, but it isn't the only reason why he was caught. Sasuke's eyes, changing into the Sharingan, and then evolving into the Mangekyou is an even more longer and elaborate process than normally launching an amaterasu with the Mangekyou already being on. why couldn't Madara dodge an amaterasu that came on after Sasuke's eyes went through three stages? seeing how he couldn't dodge the jutsu, it clearly indicates that Madara is vulnerable to it and would especially be a target to an amaterasu that is instantaneous and coming from an Uchiha that already has the Mangekyou activated. by virtue of being instantaneous, amaterasu is already a jutsu that boasts the advantage of surprise. Madara didn't need to know whether it was coming or not, because normally a ninja can't tell whether it's coming or not anyway. the only reason why Madara isn't dead, is because that sealed amaterasu was only good for one shot. had someone been ready to use the Mangekyou there and on the spot, a second attack would have burnt Madara to crisp as he tried to recover and recuperate from the first attack, which we know Madara has to do.
If you were right on everything and if the power given to Naruto is a gift to Sasuke there is no reason to say all that lecturing about "painful choice" as a ninja :
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
and yet Itachi gave his power after Naruto claimed to be an even better brother than Itachi ever was. and yet Itachi gave his power after Naruto swore to save both Sasuke and Konoha. you are missing the point, which, in the end, revolves around Sasuke. let me give you an example of why this has more to do with Sasuke than it does with Konoha, hopefully this should end it. Itachi wanted Naruto to use his power to save Sasuke and protect Konoha against Sasuke, but this power has nothing to do with protecting Konoha against Madara. why is that, it's because Konoha comes second to Sasuke. otherwise, Itachi would have likely sealed the power into Naruto with the intention of defeating Madara to keep him away from Konoha, just as he hoped sealing amaterasu would keep Madara away from Sasuke. by keeping Madara away, Sasuke would never commit the horrible act of destroying Konoha, and would live life the way Itachi intended. thus, everything Itachi has done, has done it only for Sasuke. It is his gift to him and his sacrifice, so that Sasuke can live a life that was engineered by his brother.
jdw
June 01, 2010, 07:24 PM
and yet Itachi gave his power after Naruto claimed to be an even better brother than Itachi ever was. and yet Itachi gave his power after Naruto swore to save both Sasuke and Konoha. you are missing the point, which, in the end, revolves around Sasuke. let me give you an example of why this has more to do with Sasuke than it does with Konoha, hopefully this should end it. Itachi wanted Naruto to use his power to save Sasuke and protect Konoha against Sasuke, but this power has nothing to do with protecting Konoha against Madara. why is that, it's because Konoha comes second to Sasuke.otherwise, Itachi would have likely sealed the power into Naruto with the intention of defeating Madara to keep him away from Konoha, just as he hoped sealing amaterasu would keep Madara away from Sasuke. by keeping Madara away, Sasuke would never commit the horrible act of destroying Konoha, and would live life the way Itachi intended. thus, everything Itachi has done, has done it only for Sasuke. It is his gift to him and his sacrifice, so that Sasuke can live a life that was engineered by his brother.
Not necessarily. You say it so easily as if Itachi had another power that he could have placed in Naruto that was capable of taking out Madara but installed one to save Sasuke instead. Prove this.
roymustang86
June 01, 2010, 07:59 PM
Well, the sharingan has the power to control the Kyuubi, so I am guessing he gave that power to Naruto so he can control the Kyuubi
Hojinmaru
June 01, 2010, 08:44 PM
I was doing a little reading on wikipedia regarding the japanese gods that the sharingan jutsu were named after and I had this idea. Purely a theory and I didn't spend much time looking for fine details in the manga to support it but here goes.
Perhaps Itachi had yet another jutsu in his arsenal called Omoikane. Which has the ability to fuse his powers or someone elses with someone. Here's a link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omoikane_(Shinto)) to the page that describes the god, and another link (http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=125) that talk a little more about the story behind him. We saw at the end of the Sasuke vs. Itachi battle that he gifted his brother with his jutsus, and was also able to implant a trap in Sasuke as well, all with a single touch. Itachi was a master of spiritual jutsu, So…
1. What if he implanted a way for Naruto to strip Amaterasu away from Sasuke, or will pull a Minato and appear in Narutos mind to perform a jutsu. Itachi new his brothers strengths and weaknesses. Sasuke is more of a ninjutsu user than a genjutsu user. And now that Naruto is working hard to gain the 9tails as a resource he will have even better (hopefully) genjutsu defense if not perfect, similar to B.
2. Another idea is that, similar to 1, Itachi will appear to Naruto and use Omoikane to bring Sasuke and Naruto together as the two halfs of the clan that has been divided for generations (Senju & Uchiha) ending the feud by having them work out their problems, and fusing their powers to finally defeat "Madara".
Rants, Flames, or collabs welcome!
gnut
June 01, 2010, 09:04 PM
yeah im convinced it's something to help against the kyuubi.i watched episode 152 and itachi smiled when naruto said he'd stop sasuke without killing him. it's his ninja way not to go back on his word.
hawaplop
June 02, 2010, 12:00 AM
why would stopping sasuke's use of amaterasu mean so much?
and how would they fuse their powers together?
like, sasuke gets madara in a genjutsu and naruto uses a rasenshruiken while hes in the genjutsu and somehow its effective?
or do you mean they will fuse into one person?
Hojinmaru
June 02, 2010, 01:17 AM
why would stopping sasuke's use of amaterasu mean so much?
and how would they fuse their powers together?
like, sasuke gets madara in a genjutsu and naruto uses a rasenshruiken while hes in the genjutsu and somehow its effective?
or do you mean they will fuse into one person?
Why would stopping an in-exstiquishable flame be worth it, simply that. Taking away one of his strongest jutsu is a big setback to him, even though he's now been given and even bigger power with his new eyes and unseen jutsu.
Perhaps they could use a form of rinnangan but via some mental connection, one mind, two bodies. And remember that Sakura commented in part one durning the Zabuza arc that Sasuke and Naruto already were able to work seamlessly with each other. There elemental abilities are complementary and if they were to do any sort of combo jutsu it would truly be devastating IMO. I don't think they will literally fuse into one person. Again this was just a quick little theory, something to pass the time till the next chapter comes out.
^Cesar^
June 02, 2010, 11:45 PM
i've craeted a post once telling my theory about what itachi had given to Naruto. I will repost it here and make some new changes:
Since the day sasuke overused his MS for the very first time i had created that prediction.
As everybody knows, Itachi had given some kind of jutso to Naruto before he died. My guess is that's a seal jutso, actually it's a key for a jutso that can seal his own sharingan. Yes, I mean a jutso to seal Itachi's own sharingan, im supposing Itachi knew that Sasuke would implant his eyes somehow in order to get EMS, and then, he had put the seal on his eyes before the last fight and entrusted the activation key to Naruto ...
Thats an ambicious prediction, but makes perfect sense to me.
Would be funny to see Sasuke going blind by an Itachi jutso activated from Naruto hands.
SilentBob777
June 03, 2010, 03:53 PM
Because his past story. He is traumatized by war, he worked non-stop for his village and top of this he chose to kill the whole Uchiha Clan, we can also see that he didn't appreciate his clanmates at all. But Sasuke was his little brother who knew nothing about what's going on so he gave him a chance. But now, Sasuke chose his side and decided to attack the village, which put him as the same position as the Uchiha Clan. Sasuke decided to take a path that Itachi fought during all his life, the path of war (a war against the world now), even if he is alone. If Naruto fails, Itachi will show no mercy to Sasuke.
So, that's just your opinion. I thought maybe I skipped something in the manga because you keep saying it as if it was a fact, which it isn't. Actually the fact is that Itachi was going to spill all of Konoha's secrets to their enemies if they even hurt Sasuke. Which is why Danzou and eldars didn't try anything. That's the fact like it or not, until it's proven otherwise.
Back to the topic of the thread, as some already said I think it could be some sort of a message to Sasuke, maybe with some new information of that mission, but Itachi should be the key for Sasuke to go back to the light (which would be appropriate because technically Itachi already is Sasuke's new light because Sasuke is now using his eyes, to quote Itachi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/386/12/ :o ).
TeamSeven
June 03, 2010, 05:43 PM
I don't think Itachi gave Naruto a power.
Madara thinks he has total manipulation and control of what Sasuke knows and how Sasuke interprets things now that Itachi is dead. Sasuke (and the readers as well to a certain extent) seems to be sold on Madaras version of events.
Itachi didn't want to tell Sasuke the truth at that time - for whatever reason. He, like Minato, seems to have been an extremely intelligent long range planner. He probably knew that if things went a certain way, then Sasuke would eventually need to know the whole truth - not Madara/Tobi's version.
So what Itachi needed was a wild card. A way to get the truth to Sasuke from the grave, but only if it was absolutely necessary that Sasuke have it.
The answer? Put the Itachis real knowledge of what happened inside Naruto in such a way that Sasuke would only see it if he was attacking Naruto (maybe a Tsukuyomi (sp) trigger?) .. which would mean, by extension, that he was attacking Konoha.
So .. I'm guessing what he gave Naruto was knowledge, not an ability or power.
DanielKnoT
June 03, 2010, 08:05 PM
I don't think Itachi gave Naruto a power.
Madara thinks he has total manipulation and control of what Sasuke knows and how Sasuke interprets things now that Itachi is dead. Sasuke (and the readers as well to a certain extent) seems to be sold on Madaras version of events.
Itachi didn't want to tell Sasuke the truth at that time - for whatever reason. He, like Minato, seems to have been an extremely intelligent long range planner. He probably knew that if things went a certain way, then Sasuke would eventually need to know the whole truth - not Madara/Tobi's version.
So what Itachi needed was a wild card. A way to get the truth to Sasuke from the grave, but only if it was absolutely necessary that Sasuke have it.
The answer? Put the Itachis real knowledge of what happened inside Naruto in such a way that Sasuke would only see it if he was attacking Naruto (maybe a Tsukuyomi (sp) trigger?) .. which would mean, by extension, that he was attacking Konoha.
So .. I'm guessing what he gave Naruto was knowledge, not an ability or power.
100% agree with you.. Thats exactly what I think.. Knowledge..
Itachi was a genius, does he will give a deadly power to Naruto, knowing that Naruto doesnt want to kill Sasuke and he have a bond with him like a brother?? I dont think so..
I think that he start to plan this after the last chapter of the first season when he knew that Sasuke went with Orochimaru by his own will..
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/238/19-20/
vahesan
June 04, 2010, 12:26 PM
Sasuke didnt stop his revenge, because he cares about Itachi too much. His loss is simply way too hard to accept.
The only thing that will stop Sasuke, is none other than itachi himself.
Sasuke kinda respects Naruto, deep inside his heart, he likes him and cares for him, but obviously, the truth about Itachi made the old Sasuke fall down into the ground, now all we see is his anger.
Itachi gave Naruto his power because he believed, that Naruto would be able to save both the village and Sasuke, or at the very least had the desire to.
If Naruto cannot completly save Sasuke from his hatred, the gift will.
Honestly, perhaps none many shares the same opinion as me but, i dont think the fight between Naruto and Sasuke is bound to end, i think it will be interrupted.
Sasuke isnt the primary vilain, he is a peon. His hard life was used to make Madara's plan come true, Madara is the only mastermiind behind all of this. He is the curse that is bound to be broken by the 2 sons of the Sage, which were entrusted to do so before his death.
Sasuke and Naruto vs Madara will happen. Sasuke is bound to die due to the crimes he has commited, wether killing some random samurais or attempting to get killer bee isnt enough for some of u guys, he would be pronouced a criminal that deserves punisher, and for that reason i dont see in any ways, Sasuke living after all the drama is gone. He will be killed, but will redeem his actions.
Itachi planned everything, i think the power he gave to Naruto is an apparition of himself. i thought like some people at first that it could be some immunity to amaterasu, perhaps it could be but i think it went further than that.
Naruto owning his win due to Itachi giving power would indeed make fans angry, and it woulnd indeed not the best scenario i believe, which is why i highly HOPE and BELIEVE that we havent seen Itachi for the last time yet.
He will appear once more to make Sasuke realise that Madara is to blame and that Konoha despiste havent been as white as snow shouldnt be blamed for all of this. Sasuke wont piss on Itachi if he shows up in front of him, he will cry and fall on his knees, there wouldnt be any more effiecient way to turn Sasuke on the right way than having the person he cares the most for appear in front of him once last time.
The last thing Itachi wanted for Sasuke to happpen was to learn the truth because he knew that Sasuke would be broken, that is also why an apparition of himself confirming the truth abotu himself would also be used as a last ressort thing to counter Sasuke's moves.
I hope for that to be what will happen.
Yea, no doubt, the power Itachi has given Naruto will play a role in Sasuke's fight vs Naruto. Though, who knows if Sasuke will respond well to Itachi's power. Either Itachi's power is to weaken Sasuke. Or its going to be a genjutsu explaining everything to Sasuke making Sasuke change sides. Though who's to say that Sasuke will react these ways if these two very possible powers are to happen.
I think there's another way for Sasuke to change his position. He said it while fighting Kakashi. Its probably farfetched, but what if Naruto finds a way to revive the Uchiha clan? There's a lot of talk about Naruto master jutsus involving the Death God. Its possible imo, though I wouldn't count on it too much.
Others say Itachi's power might be used against the Kyubi. Its possible, but I dont think so. It sound more for Sasuke directly then anything else.
jdw
June 04, 2010, 05:05 PM
I wouldn't bring them back even if I could do it for Sasuke. Who needs the same bunch plotting again, now with an 8-year gap in living and more to be angry about after having been killed -_-;
Kuranzyan
June 10, 2010, 02:55 PM
It also explains why Itachi snapped and beat the crap out of those three random Uchiha clansmen. He needed an outlet for his frustrations about Shisui's death and the fact he couldn't tell the rest of the clan about his top secret assassination assignment, now that the original plan of removing the Uchiha's from the equation was about to be executed.
THM Nindo
June 24, 2010, 03:38 PM
Maybe the fact that Itachi gave Naruto part of his power, made it so that Naruto now possess everything he need to become the next Rikudou-Sennin.
Senju had the body (physic) and Uchiha had the eyes (Spirit)
He already had the body, and now, with Itachi's gift, he has the Spirit.
What once was separated in two, is now reunited into Naruto.
I'd prefer that a lot more than an actual power.
If Naruto wins against Sasuke because of a power that Itachi gave him (ex: Naruto is about to die, but Itachi appears as a spirit to WFTPWN Sasuke) I'll be really really pissed, because that would mean that Naruto couldn't defeat Sasuke alone.
Although, if the power he gave Naruto, is the other half of the Rikudou-Sennin that would allow him to seal all of the Bijuu inside him.... that would be really great!
I hope I'm right on this!
enlightened monkey
June 24, 2010, 06:40 PM
Personally, I believe Itachi simply rammed a bit of his talent down Naruto's throat.
If you think about it, Naruto's actually been doing fairly better since having the crow put there.
That or a counter against Tsukiyomi itself. My last and only other belief is that Sasuke will unlock some gay uber-new version of Tsukiyomi that only Itachi knew about and Naruto will end up countering it without meaning to and for Sasuke it'll be a one-shot deal meaning all he has left to do is scream that he hates Konoha at Naruto...again (I hate my homeland!! Even though my peoples were planning to destroy it and the homeland defended itself!!). Naruto will then go Sage Mode, do a low punch to Sasuke's pills, throw him over the shoulder and hike back to Konoha.
So what, did I start some theory on Sasuke having or soon getting an uber-Tsukiyomi or Tsukiyomi that Naruto will be able to counter with a crow put down his neck by Itachi now? Because thats' my theory and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than most of the stuff I just decided not to quote/respond to.
SupremeMod
June 24, 2010, 07:39 PM
It's probably going to be some personal message from Itachi to Sasuke.
THM Nindo
June 24, 2010, 08:12 PM
It's probably going to be some personal message from Itachi to Sasuke.
As long as it doesn't save Naruto's life, I don't mind if it's a message.
If it's a message that triggers the moment Sasuke is about to kill Naruto, then I'll be extremely pissed.
Although, I prefer my theory of the Body (Naruto) and the Spirit (Itachi) of Rikudou-Sennin being reunited.
With the body AND the spirit, Naruto would have the same "power" than Rikudou and would be able to seal all the Bijuu inside him.
The only problem with that theory, is that Itachi is talking about Sasuke when he give that power to Naruto, so it HAS to be related to Sasuke somehow... :(
tommax
June 25, 2010, 05:54 AM
I believe the Itachigan is going to end up being a special Tsukuyomi that shows both Sasuke and Naruto the truth about everything we have limited knowledge about. Itachi's meetings/interactions with Shisui including the 'assassination of Shisui'. His orders from Danzou, meeting Madara and training with him, the truth of who did what exactly in the Uchiha Massacre such as who really killed Sasuke and Itachi's parents (something that to me seemed like Itachi did not actually do and Sasuke just ran in on him looking at what Madara might have done himself.), and the most important facts that Kishi has been holding back from us all this time: Tobi's true identity, the reason Madara has a mausoleum labortatory, why every Akatsuki members' goal/abilities/etc related to immortality, and finally the means in which to defeat Uchiha Madara once and for all.
I mostly completely agree with you, and believe this is the most likely-to-happen scenerio. The only thing I disagree with is that Itachi actually killed his parents…he had no other option: he killed them, that's it.
weehoo107
June 27, 2010, 01:50 AM
It's probably going to be some personal message from Itachi to Sasuke.
I sort of doubt that because of this page:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/403/08/
Middle right corner. Of course, who's to say Itachi didn't also give a message to Naruto to give to Sasuke...
gnut
June 27, 2010, 08:12 AM
weehoo is right,why give him a message/vision and then say hope you never have to use it.you guys think it maybe a tech to get past susano'o?
jdw
June 27, 2010, 08:18 AM
The hope that Naruto never has to use it could be born from the fact that if Naruto has to use it (a potential crow power message), it means that Sasuke has fallen. Itachi does not want Sasuke to go down that path.
ashher
June 27, 2010, 01:01 PM
To me this sounds more like an excuse,though i won't put it past kishi, with his love for dialogues-over-violence to actually try and pull this off. However Itachi did say that he shared some of his power with naruto(or was it anime only?). So i think its more likely to be a power/counter jutsu that will be triggered when naruto sees sasuke's ems or when sasuke attacks with some particular jutsu like the sword and mirror which itachi might have given to sasuke.
jdw
June 27, 2010, 01:43 PM
To me this sounds more like an excuse,though i won't put it past kishi, with his love for dialogues-over-violence to actually try and pull this off. However Itachi did say that he shared some of his power with naruto(or was it anime only?). So i think its more likely to be a power/counter jutsu that will be triggered when naruto sees sasuke's ems or when sasuke attacks with some particular jutsu like the sword and mirror which itachi might have given to sasuke.
True, but as we have seen Itachi's primary power was genjutsu, so it could be a justu where it activates upon seeing Sasuke's sharingan, sort of like Tensha Fuuin Amaterasu, which was used to attack Madara using Sasuke's eyes.
gnut
June 27, 2010, 03:32 PM
the more you guys talk about it,to me i think it's something to get past his ultimate defense.just think itachi can't anticipate every jutsu sasuke might learn.but,he does know how powerful susano'o is and that sasuke will definitely use it.
Hojinmaru
June 27, 2010, 03:53 PM
If you look at the encounter, and look at Naruto's weaknesses, I still believe that it will be something that will help Naruto beat a genjutsu. Itachi saw how much Naruto had improved his defence against it but against a sharingan user it would still not be enough so he gave him something that will be able to break any kind of tsukuyomi that Sasuke tries to use against him. Naruto is now strong enough, I believe, to fight against Sasanoo, and any other form of physical attack Sasuke can throw at Naruto, it's the mental games he's still lacking in defence. But we'll just have to wait and see. It would be cool though if he got some kind of ability, but as most say, it's probably not going to happen.
insid3rkill3r
June 27, 2010, 04:00 PM
The power he gave to Naruto, will be used no matter what.
And to me, it will be the key to Sasuke's redemption.
I am one of the strong believer that thinks that Sasuke will die w/o a doubt at the end of the manga, but he will die being good. Perhaps its by helping Naruto defeat Madara, who knows but to me, since Madara has introduced the 2 childs of the sage being chosen to bring peace to the world, Naruto and Sasuke comes to my mind....
The reason why i strongly believe Sasuke will turn good is because Itachi gave everything away to turn Sasuke into a hero and some1 extremely strong, and if Sasuke was to die 'evil' then it would waste Itachi's sacrifice completly, of course Itachi died to protect Konoha as well but as Madara stated, Sasuke's life had priority over EVERYTHING ELSE.
Danzo said Itachi had never failed ANYTHING until Sasuke, and the more the story goes and the more i think Itachi will indeed end the road with a perfect score. HE had implanted 1 failsafe for Madara, and in case this one would fail, he gave 1 to Naruto.
The thing is,, what did he exactly give Naruto?
An immunity to 1 of Sasuke's jutsu? If that would be the case, it would have to be one of the MS jutsu since Itachi didnt really what Sasuke's arsenal would be w/o the MS.
And if it was the MS,, how would that work? I simply think it could since logically, id believe Itachi would need the use of his MS to counter 1 of Sasuke'S MS technique and Naruto doesnt have a sharingan so he cant use the failsaif that he used for Madara because it said in the databook that the Sharingan was needed as medium.
There is only 1 option that seems plausible to me, and i highly hope it will be this one. None other than Itachi himself.
The last thing Itachi wanted to happen was for Sasuke to learn about the trajic life his brother had lived, and it would make sense that he said he was hoping for the day Naruto would need to use that power to never happen.
An apparition of Itachi, is there even a more efficient way to counter Sasuke, then to make Itachi himself appear in front of him???
Seeing Itachi would make Sasuke drop and cry like a little child, i believe that would be Sasuke's ultimate weakness. But what Itachi would do once that happens? Would it be to drop Sasuke's guard? i doubt it, Itachi would obviously try to wake his brother up before trying to harm him in any way.
Would he speak about the fact that Madara controlled Kyuubi on that night? To make him realise that he is the one to blame for everything.
All i know is the way Kishi has establised the manga as well as Itachi and Sasuke's character there is just no way that he would waste Itachi's character and turn Sasuke into the ultimate vilain, but i guess, that is just my opinion.
anrufen
June 27, 2010, 04:30 PM
Lol....recorded Messages.....Lol...new concept brought in by Kishi....his characters are like TIVOs or answering machines nowadays!
Delbi
June 27, 2010, 04:55 PM
Itachi said it was his "power" so I'm sure it's more that some message to Sasuke. Even a message from his dead brother would do little good to stop Sasuke in his hate induced campaign of death at the moment.
Personally, I think it's something that would protect Naruto from the Sealing Statue. A sort of barrier or seal that would make the statue useless on Naruto for some reason or another. Or perhaps its something that can bring him back to life after he dies?
Scenerio: Sasuke fights Naruto and wins, Madara extracts the Kyuubi and Naruto dies. Naruto gets brought back to life by Itachi's power and defeats Madara with Sasuke, or just defeats Sasuke if Madara is already out of the picture.
insid3rkill3r
June 27, 2010, 05:03 PM
Where did i say it was a message or a tape,, my english is bad but some of u guys need to read correctly.
i said the power he gave Naruto would be an apparition of himself that could react, talk, move, do stuff until his chakra runs out, after all, he did give chakra to Naruto, it could just as well be something similar to Minato and Kushina......... Besides, Itachi gave his power to Naruto regarding Sasuke, it wasnt unless it was poorly written regarding anything to protect Naruto from being his bijuu extracted, the power is there to change Sasuke's heart or, to save him from the hatred that restraint him.
anrufen
June 27, 2010, 05:12 PM
Where did i say it was a message or a tape,, my english is bad but some of u guys need to read correctly.
i said the power he gave Naruto would be an apparition of himself that could react, talk, move, do stuff until his chakra runs out, after all, he did give chakra to Naruto, it could just as well be something similar to Minato and Kushina......... Besides, Itachi gave his power to Naruto regarding Sasuke, it wasnt unless it was poorly written regarding anything to protect Naruto from being his bijuu extracted, the power is there to change Sasuke's heart or, to save him from the hatred that restraint him.
Dont worry it was nothing in regards to ur comment....its just there are too many dead characters playing messages to live ones nowadays :P!
DementedKirby
June 30, 2010, 04:55 PM
I think it's a message. Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke and I think that deep down, he didn't want Naruto to, either. Maybe that's why he smiled at Naruto's answer.
Itachi was able to awaken Sasuke's Mangekyou simply by flicking his forehead. So who knows what he could've given Naruto with that crow.
Naruto has enough powers already, so it'd be kinda awkward (stupid) if Naruto was able to use Sharingan abilities. It's probably just a message telling Sasuke about Madara. Sasuke should know it wouldn't be a trick cuz he wouldn't be fooled by genjutsu. Besides the fact that Naruto, like Jiraiya, couldn't use genjutsu to save his life!
ikayto
July 01, 2010, 02:43 AM
I think it's a message. Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke and I think that deep down, he didn't want Naruto to, either. Maybe that's why he smiled at Naruto's answer.
Itachi was able to awaken Sasuke's Mangekyou simply by flicking his forehead. So who knows what he could've given Naruto with that crow.
Naruto has enough powers already, so it'd be kinda awkward (stupid) if Naruto was able to use Sharingan abilities. It's probably just a message telling Sasuke about Madara. Sasuke should know it wouldn't be a trick cuz he wouldn't be fooled by genjutsu. Besides the fact that Naruto, like Jiraiya, couldn't use genjutsu to save his life!
need to read harder, sasuke MS happened from the extreme emotion of losing a loved one--his brother--the head flick just transferred the madara fail safe and some of his skills. The amaterasu of sasuke at that time was exactly like itachis--not sasukes.
solopocolo
July 01, 2010, 01:46 PM
IMO Itachi passed on to Naruto a genjutsu that could be combined with Sasuke Amaterasu. Perhaps just to stop Madara teleportation for an instant.
DementedKirby
July 02, 2010, 11:45 AM
need to read harder, sasuke MS happened from the extreme emotion of losing a loved one--his brother--the head flick just transferred the madara fail safe and some of his skills. The amaterasu of sasuke at that time was exactly like itachis--not sasukes.
Well, that's true. It's just that Sasuke didn't realize that he had awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan because all this time, he thought that he had to kill Naruto to awaken it. But you're right. It was caused by Itachi's death. But only because Madara said that Itachi was a pariah. Because Sasuke hated Itachi. Itachi's death brought him peace. So why would a peaceful outcome awaken his Mangekyou? It was only after he realized that Itachi was in fact a good guy that he became all angry and sorrowful. So the Amaterasu that attacked Madara was all Itachi. Sasuke's own Mangekyou came much later.
Ednometry
July 05, 2010, 12:29 AM
I think that Itachi gave Naruto a jutsu that will activate as Sasuke is about to (try and) kill him and seal his sharingan permanently... or maybe break his chakra system some way making him unable to do jutsus but not kill him...
En Yang Ji
July 05, 2010, 12:41 AM
Maybe Itachi gave Naruto the power to be complete, in the he would have both the RS's body and eyepower. Even if Itachi didn't give him the sharingan maybe he found a way to make it work.
DementedKirby
July 05, 2010, 12:58 AM
I think that Itachi gave Naruto a jutsu that will activate as Sasuke is about to (try and) kill him and seal his sharingan permanently... or maybe break his chakra system some way making him unable to do jutsus but not kill him...
That would so own if Itachi seals away Sasuke's Sharingan: "You do not deserve the title of Uchiha." I'd laugh so hard milk would come out of my nose - and I would be no where near milk! What would happen to Sasuke's pride? He's probably hara kiri right then and there! (I hope :eyeroll)
insid3rkill3r
July 05, 2010, 01:11 AM
Quote ; Databook 3 ;
[Naruto]
While carrying out his task as a member of Akatsuki, Itachi became certain of one thing: Naruto would be able to save Sasuke, as well as the village. This is why he entrusts his feelings to him, together with a great hope...
This almost certainly confirms that in the end, Sasuke will be saved, Itachi's last failsafe isnt there to kill Sasuke, but to save him / help Naruto succeed in redeeming Sasuke, although it doesnt mean Sasuke will live, but it means that Sasuke will die being good, that is how i see. Cause in all honesty, even if i like Sasuke very much, i am one of the strong and firm believer that thinks that Sasuke cannot possibly stay alive after what happened.
He will die what he was bound to do, avenge, although in the end, his revenge will be turned into a common enemy to all, most-likely to all, and for that reason, he will be hailed as a hero, exactly what Itachi sacrificied himself for.
Ednometry
July 05, 2010, 01:21 AM
He also said he hoped Naruto wouldn't have to use it... That implies some sort of big brother spanking IMHO...
Boagrious
July 05, 2010, 01:25 AM
At this point, "who knows??" Maybe Yondaime does, he saw everything that happened from inside Naruto according to himself, but things don't work that way I guess. I think a message right now won't make things better, not even Sasuke, but who knows.
elitefox
July 12, 2010, 07:11 PM
I think it's a message. Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke and I think that deep down, he didn't want Naruto to, either. Maybe that's why he smiled at Naruto's answer.
Itachi was able to awaken Sasuke's Mangekyou simply by flicking his forehead. So who knows what he could've given Naruto with that crow.
Naruto has enough powers already, so it'd be kinda awkward (stupid) if Naruto was able to use Sharingan abilities. It's probably just a message telling Sasuke about Madara. Sasuke should know it wouldn't be a trick cuz he wouldn't be fooled by genjutsu. Besides the fact that Naruto, like Jiraiya, couldn't use genjutsu to save his life!
Itachi doesn't want Naruto to use it if possible but ofcourse it will be use somehow.
I bet it will Make naruto invicible to the sharingan eyes lol.
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Quote ; Databook 3 ;
[Naruto]
While carrying out his task as a member of Akatsuki, Itachi became certain of one thing: Naruto would be able to save Sasuke, as well as the village. This is why he entrusts his feelings to him, together with a great hope...
This almost certainly confirms that in the end, Sasuke will be saved, Itachi's last failsafe isnt there to kill Sasuke, but to save him / help Naruto succeed in redeeming Sasuke, although it doesnt mean Sasuke will live, but it means that Sasuke will die being good, that is how i see. Cause in all honesty, even if i like Sasuke very much, i am one of the strong and firm believer that thinks that Sasuke cannot possibly stay alive after what happened.
He will die what he was bound to do, avenge, although in the end, his revenge will be turned into a common enemy to all, most-likely to all, and for that reason, he will be hailed as a hero, exactly what Itachi sacrificied himself for.
If itachi's gift will save sasuke, why not let naruto use it and not to be alternative which Itachi was hoping that naruto wont use.
peinfollower
July 13, 2010, 03:28 PM
My idea comes from someone on YouTube who made I think around 4 videos specifically about the mysterious power and I gotta agree with him. Basically it might be a crow genjutsu that after Sasuke pushes Naruto to his limit will awaken and severely damage and cripple Sasuke's EMS eyes.
Jspot
July 13, 2010, 03:36 PM
I feel like Itachi telling Naruto that he hopes he never has to use that power means that either the ramifications of the usage of that power will be gravely to either Naruto, Sasuke, or innocent lives... or he simply hopes it doesn't progress so far as to require Itachi's power at all, regardless of what it is.
I'm more inclined to believe the first option... and I think Itachi has provided Naruto an offense against Sasuke. Perhaps when Itachi implanted the Amaterasu failsafe into Sasuke, he also implanted another failsafe... one that would seal Sasuke's eyes.
And the catalyst for that seal? The power he gave to Naruto.
niblack89
July 14, 2010, 05:30 PM
Well for sure Itachi didn't give Naruto any power to help with the kyuubi. Even the scroll key frog thought that Naruto couldn't use the kyuubi's power. Also the power kyuubi, why would Itachi care if Naruto uses the power, if he didn't use the power when he died why would he care if he ever did. Naruto did well without the kyuubi for 16 years.
Second as we seen the 4 element seal was said to be rare and only 4 jinchuuriki were known to be complete jinchuuriki. Bee, Yagura, The 4th mizukage and the Rikudo sennin. Given the information the Uzumaki clan were the only ones capable of using that seal and we know that none except the sage could use that seal. One alive has seen that form. Itachi could have never known that Naruto would gain a form that resembled the sage. Giving Naruto any sort of doujutsu power is just dumb especially if your argument is he looks like the Rikudo sennin.
Since in ever translation is says I will lend you some of my power. I believe that Itachi meant he wont give Naruto any sort of jutsu because every jutsu needs a requirement. Ether training, special eyes or a blood line limit. All Itachi can't give Naruto. But Itachi does have a power that we know of that is bad ass, that can stop Sasuke's attacks in his tracks. Yata's mirror is attached to his susano. Its a weapon that Itachi figured out how to get. Just like Totsuka's sword is an object that anyone could get (Orochimaru knew of its existence).
gnut
July 14, 2010, 05:53 PM
u think naruto will get some kind of defensive form like sasano?that would be cool if it was the shaping of the bijuu instead of the nine tails cloak.
crimsonlink310
July 21, 2010, 02:04 AM
Here is my theory about what Itachi gave Naruto. Itachi gave Naruto the blood of the Uchiha so it can combine with his Uzumaki and Senju bloodline to form the Rinnegan. Which will make him the true chosen one and the new Rikudon sennin of the ninja world so he can spread his and Jiraiya's idea of peace. The appearance Naruto takes after absorbing Kyuubi's chakra and Kyuubi thinking out loud that Naruto looks like the sage is a foreshadowing but this is just my theory lol.
elitefox
July 21, 2010, 08:44 PM
Here is my theory about what Itachi gave Naruto. Itachi gave Naruto the blood of the Uchiha so it can combine with his Uzumaki and Senju bloodline to form the Rinnegan. Which will make him the true chosen one and the new Rikudon sennin of the ninja world so he can spread his and Jiraiya's idea of peace. The appearance Naruto takes after absorbing Kyuubi's chakra and Kyuubi thinking out loud that Naruto looks like the sage is a foreshadowing but this is just my theory lol.
Nah I believe there will be a cooperation between the eyes and the body
but in another/different way, eyes = sasuke and body = naruto.
if it ever happens, I don't know how but kishi will do it
Sasuke + Naruto = peace
iCathyxD
July 23, 2010, 11:47 PM
lol. I personally think that Itachi will give Naruto secret information from the Sage of the Six Path Tablet which will give him power to stop Sasuke.
Skidmore
July 25, 2010, 04:10 PM
Nah I believe there will be a cooperation between the eyes and the body
but in another/different way, eyes = sasuke and body = naruto.
if it ever happens, I don't know how but kishi will do it
Sasuke + Naruto = peace
Yep, this will mostly end up like Drago Ball series, Vegeta turns good, and helps Goku in defeating the ultimate evil.
OutOfTheBlue
July 25, 2010, 04:52 PM
Could it be...
I honestly believe that it could be something that reveals Tobi's secret once and for all maybe his identity or either his weakness.
Itachi was a genius and it wouldn't suprise me at all if he would pull that even though hes dead.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/10/
Tobi: "Fortunately, i managed to keep a few secrets even from him.." I doubt that he knew what Itachi had in store for him..
Tobi: "If i hadn't i'd be dead right now.."
^Itachi knew that he couldn't pull that off since he had an "unknown" illness that caused his death. So he had to share his knowledge to someone that he could trust = Naruto.
gnut
August 06, 2010, 03:31 PM
now we see naruto get to this new level,now we have to assume that this is a vision/flashback for sasuke.right now naruto is more powerful than itachi"i think"lol,so what else could he have given him?
SenninSage
August 07, 2010, 11:13 AM
With the Uzamaki clan's skill at sealing, and the Whirlpool being renowned for their sealing ability as a whole, I'm expecting that Itachi implanted a way for a non-uchiha such as Naruto to utilize his own version of Susanoo, dependent on his life force.
Itachi, being the genius that he is, worked out some secret about Susanoo, and a way in which even powerful non-uchiha could use a similar jutsu. I think he granted Naruto the ability to do such a thing when the time came for it.
If you guy's notice, Naruto's current new Rikudou form that he has already sorta makes him look like Susanoo. You notice some of the same exact visual traits of sorta being spiritual or otherworldly, much different from even the look of the typical demon fox's cloak, or Bee's Hachibi cloak.
I think Itachi made a way for Naruto to get his own hidden technique, or special advanced bloodline limit. Many years from the current time, when people talk about Naruto's jutsu, it will be said that there are rumors that it descended from the ability originally possessed by a very powerful Uchiha.
Morpheus306
August 09, 2010, 12:14 AM
I haven't read through all of the posts but I think that what Itachi gave Naruto was a message for Sasuke that will be triggered by sasukes sharinngan. In anticipating the inevitable fight between naruto and sasuke itachi planted a part of his chakra in naruto, similar to what the 4th and Kushina did. In my opinion to give Sasuke the real story as to what happened to the night he killed off the clan and Tobi's identity. Remember he had to keep up the persona of a cold blooded killer up until the point when sasuke finally killed him, so he had to give him the message somehow. Planting it in Naruto would keep it safe from Tobi because naruto is never without his fellow konaha ninja. Whatever it ends up being, I think that it will be triggered the next time sasuke tries a genjutsu on naruto.
SenninSage
August 09, 2010, 11:39 AM
Perhaps he gave Naruto a means of somehow tapping into his spiritual energy to also summon himself a version of Susanoo, but perhaps one more fitting of what Naruto is like internally.
Or maybe he gave Naruto a massive counter Tsukyomi, one at the level of Itachi's, to turn back the power on Sasuke when he uses his genjutsu against Naruto.
I also still have a feeling that Sage Mode will be an answer of sorts to genjutsu.
gnut
August 09, 2010, 02:27 PM
guys with this new power up,it's got to be a message.i mean another jutsu,i don't think so.maybe learn his dad's,but itachi is only worried about sasuke not naruto.besides,what's the use to give naruto a jutsu he may had never gotten strong enough to use it.muchless stand against sasuke,he new his brother at the time was past naruto in skill.a message that could only be told if itachi died,hence making sasuke fight at full strength.
jiraiyanindo
August 09, 2010, 04:51 PM
I think Itachi gave Naruto some kind of talk no jutsu power up. His current level of talk no jutsu isnt strong enough to affect Sasuke. So with naruto's and Itachi's talk no jutsu combined, Sasuke will finally come to his senses.
Itachi hoped he wouldnt have to use it because it will reveal how shitty Sasuke's parent and clan really is. Itachi probably wanted Sasuke to believe that his family and clan wre something to be proud of but his talk no jutsu will reveal how true horrible the Uchiha clan is.
gnut
August 09, 2010, 07:33 PM
that's what i mean by only if itachi dies speech,because he was going to carry it to the grave if he had beaten sasuke.it also keeps his cover so if naruto was interrogated he has no clue about itachi's past.what's going to be cool is naruto will actually share this vision with sasuke.this maybe connection for sasuke to finally except naruto as a true brother.
omgeggman
August 09, 2010, 08:19 PM
Maybe it's the Uchiha half of the Sage of Six Path's body?
Naruto already has the Senju half , because he's a direct descendant
So maybe Itachi somehow transferred over the Uchiha half?
donyusufahmed
August 09, 2010, 10:00 PM
Maybe it's the Uchiha half of the Sage of Six Path's body?
Naruto already has the Senju half , because he's a direct descendant
So maybe Itachi somehow transferred over the Uchiha half?
That would be just too much. Uchiha half, Senju half, Kyuubi and Sage Mode. He would be uber powerful.
hawaplop
August 09, 2010, 10:47 PM
guys with this new power up,it's got to be a message.i mean another jutsu,i don't think so.maybe learn his dad's,but itachi is only worried about sasuke not naruto.besides,what's the use to give naruto a jutsu he may had never gotten strong enough to use it.muchless stand against sasuke,he new his brother at the time was past naruto in skill.a message that could only be told if itachi died,hence making sasuke fight at full strength.
If it's just a message, then why would Itachi call it a power.
jdw
August 09, 2010, 11:10 PM
If it's just a message, then why would Itachi call it a power.
Part of Itachi's power is genjutsu, so it could be a genjutsu message to Sasuke (and Naruto) and still represent part of Itachi's power, imo.
jiraiyanindo
August 10, 2010, 12:00 AM
If it's just a message, then why would Itachi call it a power.
One of the first things learned in Naruto is that information is very powerful. Honestly it wouldnt surprise me.
jm
August 10, 2010, 08:27 AM
i will say i don't think we know enough yet to say what he could have given naruto. we know that itachi can give other people his eye techniques so who knows.
Brill
August 10, 2010, 10:19 AM
I's say it's probably some form of genjutsu, one that activates in the presence of Itachi's eyes. This was Itachi's final countermove to Madara. He knew that Sasuke would be sought out by Madara after his death. So the power given really depends on whether Itachi's amaretsu was Itachi's final move or a feint to lower Madara's guard so Madara would think he had total control over Sasuke, not noticing the little genjutsu bomb that Itachi put in his own eyes. The bomb would go off when Naruto and Sasuke will meet, once Sasuke has Itachi's eyes. Did Itachi foresee Sasuke using Itachi's eyes to get EMS? I think he did, which is why Itachi gave Naruto this power to counteract the abilities of Sasuke's EMS, since Naruto confessed that he wouldn't kill Sasuke even though everyone else in the shinobi world would.
What is the power, probably some genjutsu image of Itachi that will snap Sasuke out of his stupidity as hard as that may seem. Sasuke will then be free of Madara's manipulation at that point and whether he lives or dies after that is anyone's guess.
jiraiyanindo
August 10, 2010, 12:19 PM
Do you guys think this power will be the key to defeat sasuke?
No. I think the power that Itachi gave to naruto is a crow and as we know crows cant really do much in actual battles besides fly around and stuff.:p
Roflkopt3r
August 10, 2010, 01:09 PM
too bad that I posted this in speculation thread before, but well, it certainly belongs in here:
I think Itachi's "gift" to Naruto will become key in the very end of the plot.
Itachi wants to know what Naruto would do if Sasuke was to attack Konoha, Naruto makes clear that he'ld never give up trying to stop Sasuke without killing him and Itachi smiles. Afterwards, he shares his mysterious power and says:
I shared some of my power with you. Though I hope that the day never comes when you have to use it.
It sounds pretty obvious that it has to do something with fighting Sasuke because of the background. He ensures that Naruto would fight Sasuke if Sasuke was to ignore Itachi's will like he did.
I'ld guess that it isn't some kind of Amaterasu-like destructive skill, that would be too simple and could be avoided as well.
It might be a way to break Tsukuyomi however or something else very special that will only work on Sasuke.
It might be a chakra copy of his, like Minato and Kushina sealed inside Naruto to contact him after their death. We once saw Sasuke entering the room where Naruto can contact the Kyuubi, where also Minato and Kushina appeared. Possibly Naruto, Sasuke and Itachi will meet there during their fight.
Possibly Itachi appears inside Tsukuyomi when Sasuke uses it against Naruto.
Now that Sasuke has Itachi's sharingan and possibly powers, that would be pretty likely I think. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is incredible, and if he predicted Sasuke to take his eyes one day, this would be just perfect. He might preserve Naruto from the effect and contact Sasuke at the same time.
peinfollower
August 14, 2010, 07:06 AM
A very good theory, It really did get me thinking, but I still think the power Itachi gave to Naruto is some sort of crow jutsu that will awaken when Naruto has been pushed to his limit by Sasuke, and will severely cripple and practically destroy Sasuke's Sharingan eyes. Because think about it, Itachi gave Sasuke his Mangekyou Sharingan powers in hopes that Sasuke would use it for good since he never wanted Sasuke to learn the truth. But he also feared that Sasuke would somehow find out the truth and used Naruto just in case Sasuke would use his power to destroy Konoha. Itachi knew that Sasuke with all his hatred, would want to destroy Konoha if he should ever find out the truth somehow and since he was going to entrust Sasuke with a Mangekyou Sharingan anyways after he dies, it makes sense that what he gave to Naruto would take away those powers that he gave to Sasuke should he learn the truth and try to destroy Konoha with them.
Manga sage
August 28, 2010, 10:43 AM
I think it is an eye technique but because naruto is the chosen one it will mutate into the rinnegan or a new god type kekka genki that will help bring price and defeat madara uchiha.
ninjabot
August 29, 2010, 08:10 PM
jiraiyanindo hit the nail on the head IMO. It's a genjutsu meant to show Sasuke just how bad things really were, and how he should change his ways. It may even be a portion of his own chakra ala how Minato and Kushina remained inside of Naruto until a certain amount of time.
Something akin to Itachi (really Itachi) appearing in Naruto's head (when Sasuke catches him with Tsukiyomi) so that he can tell him to chill out, before disappearing completely. Or, it's just a Tsukiyomi counter. It'll have the same effect on Sasuke as it did Itachi when Sasuke broke his Tsukiyomi (leaving him in pain and exhausted).
Alterno
August 29, 2010, 10:42 PM
It sounds pretty obvious that it has to do something with fighting Sasuke because of the background. He ensures that Naruto would fight Sasuke if Sasuke was to ignore Itachi's will like he did.
I'ld guess that it isn't some kind of Amaterasu-like destructive skill, that would be too simple and could be avoided as well.
You know we tend to be linear when we read things first time, even me who consider myself a god of looking trough linear stuff... :p. Haha just kidding. but now being serious it doesn't necessarily means that, when Itachi said:
I shared some of my power with you. Though I hope that the day never comes when you have to use it.
He could have meant, that he hoped that Sasuke would never join Madara or Madara would never succeed in recruiting him. We have seen what his raven are capable of and that's about trapping people in genjutsu, all that his clone is going to do is to show Sasuke something that might be too horrible for Sasuke, even now... about the Uchiha Massacre.
An interesting twist would be that the one who actually killed the Uchiha was Sasuke under the control of Madara, for example.
insid3rkill3r
August 31, 2010, 12:24 AM
Alright, as mentionned before, here is what Itachi said :
I shared some of my power with you. Though I hope that the day never comes when you have to use it.
- Itachi never wanted Sasuke to learn the truth about him
- Itachi never wanted Sasuke to take revenge against Konoha
- Itachi wanted Sasuke to live as a hero to Konoha
Itachi has entrusted to Naruto what would happen in case the set-Amaterasu would fail. And as it was mentionned in the Databook ;
[Naruto]
While carrying out his task as a member of Akatsuki, Itachi became certain of one thing: Naruto would be able to save Sasuke, as well as the village. This is why he entrusts his feelings to him, together with a great hope...
Itachi became CERTAIN that Naruto would succeed in saving Sasuke, wether it includes Sasuke dying or not, ''saving'' would simply mean to bring him back to the good side and to make sure Sasuke would turn out the way Itachi wanted him to, and to me, its obvious and 100% sure that Sasuke will be saved.
So since Itachi is CERTAIN that Naruto will save Sasuke, i dont see the slight possibility of the power he gave to Naruto being some kind of trap or jutsu that would harm Sasuke, it will something that will support Naruto most-likely, not something that will kill Sasuke.
Because seeing Itachi kill and pin Sasuke down would be a serious outrage for Naruto fans, it would make Naruto seem weaker as he was not able to complete the task himself.
The power Itachi has given Naruto, to me can only be something that will either ring the bells inside Sasuke and wake him up about what really happened 16 years ago, or perhaps him appearing as Sasuke is dying to perhaps bid his farewell at last.
Him appearing would very well fit that he never wanted Naruto to have to use it, as he never wanted his brother to learn the truth and die obviously.
Sasuke will be saved, thats obvious, and the power given to Naruto as well as Naruto himself will be what will make him stay on the path Itachi long worked to create for him.
Id like to talk a little about the prophecy to support my argument/opinion on the matter.
Madara himself said that Rikudou had chosen his ''Childrens'' to be the ones to furfill the prophecy and be the one to break the chain of hatred.
He also said that it was because of his choice among the 2 of them that the 'Curse of hatred' was born.
Do you get where im heading now?
Why would it be that Naruto now has some sensing Power? a power that senses Good will and Hatred?
to me its to show us that when he fights Madara, he will notice how much hatred the guy has inside of him.
To me , since Madara has talked about the prophecy at the summit ive always talked about him actually being the 'Curse of hatred' that was created when he wasnt not chosen as the Hokage.
And now with Sasuke and Naruto, i think its only fitting for them to, like the Rikudo entrusted his Childrens to do, break the curse of hatred.
Naruto and Sasuke are the childrens that will break the curse of hatred which is Madara, and Sasuke will die but will be held as a here in the end, and that way, even if he dies, he will be saved by Naruto, and Itachi's life wouldnt be in a vain.
Sasuke and Naruto are meant to be equals till the end, or perhaps Naruto will have the upper hand but its more-likely that they will remain equals and that none of them will die fighting each other, they will die busting their fist against a common enemy.
Hojinmaru
August 31, 2010, 12:30 AM
If you look at the whole context of the encounter as well as what you know of Itachi and Sasuke's relationship. To me it seemed like Itachi was testing Naruto to see if he was able to withstand or possibly break a Tsukuyomi. While Naruto didn't do it, he had shows great improvement in breaking it, and a will never to give up, and the desire to see Sasuke live no matter what. Because of that it only makes sense that Itachi gave him something to combat Sasuke's Tsukuyomi. Either in the form of extra chakra, an implanted jutsu to break it, or an avatar of himself to talk to Sasuke we won't know till it happens, but IMHO it have everything to do with Tsukuyomi and nothing more.
Thabor
September 02, 2010, 12:08 PM
Itachi smiled because he loves practical jokes.. He probably did the same thing to Naruto that he did to Sasuke. Madara has to wear the mask because every time he tries to take it off an Ameterasu pops out of another random person's eye toasting him a bit further.. :amuse
tret16
September 02, 2010, 02:26 PM
did anyone think that maybe the power he gave naruto was the power to prevent Sasuke from being able to stop naruto from using his bijuu powers... I mean the one weakness that naruto has againts sasuke is that sasuke is able to prevent naruto from using his bijuu ability, so why not give naruto something to stop that weakness...
niblack89
September 02, 2010, 10:14 PM
Sasuke can't control the kyuubi in Naruto. Naruto turned the kyuubi's chakra into his rikudou cloak. If Sasuke enters Naruto's head ftheir will be a a caged kyuubi with no chakra. Sasuke can't suppress chakra that isn't the kyuubi's but an add on of Naruto. Tobi waited until the seal was at its absolute weakest when he release the kyuubi from Kushina, that wont happen with Naruto. Naruto's new cage is as good as the rikudou sennin and the kyuubi is a skeleton and weakened. Itachi's power is defiantly not protection against Sasuke taking over the kyuubi.
Its also nothing to help Naruto get rid of genjutsu. If Naruto thinks he already has a way. If stricken by genjutsu all he has to do is switch chakra's, turn the cloak off and on. It should get rid of any genjutsu on him.
What would work logically into a gift is if Itachi transferred his yata mirror at the point of his death. Yata's mirror isn't a power given by MS its something he found during his travels. Its perfect Itachi is protecting Naruto from Sasuke.
Sasuke saw the power and will know it's Itachi's and Sasuke will question his motives, he will know what Itachi wants from him. Sasuke has the sword while Naruto has the mirror. Its Itachi final plan to stop Tobi. A power that both Naruto and Sasuke gained from the greatest shinobi. That's itachi's actual fail safe.
Hojinmaru
September 02, 2010, 10:53 PM
Sasuke can't control the kyuubi in Naruto. Naruto turned the kyuubi's chakra into his rikudou cloak. If Sasuke enters Naruto's head ftheir will be a a caged kyuubi with no chakra. Sasuke can't suppress chakra that isn't the kyuubi's but an add on of Naruto. Tobi waited until the seal was at its absolute weakest when he release the kyuubi from Kushina, that wont happen with Naruto. Naruto's new cage is as good as the rikudou sennin and the kyuubi is a skeleton and weakened. Itachi's power is defiantly not protection against Sasuke taking over the kyuubi.
Its also nothing to help Naruto get rid of genjutsu. If Naruto thinks he already has a way. If stricken by genjutsu all he has to do is switch chakra's, turn the cloak off and on. It should get rid of any genjutsu on him.
What would work logically into a gift is if Itachi transferred his yata mirror at the point of his death. Yata's mirror isn't a power given by MS its something he found during his travels. Its perfect Itachi is protecting Naruto from Sasuke.
Sasuke saw the power and will know it's Itachi's and Sasuke will question his motives, he will know what Itachi wants from him. Sasuke has the sword while Naruto has the mirror. Its Itachi final plan to stop Tobi. A power that both Naruto and Sasuke gained from the greatest shinobi. That's itachi's actual fail safe.
Using the full power of the kyuubi within him may break a Tsukuyomi since it's Sasuke's we're talking about. If it were Itachi's I'd still have my doubts. As for Naruto having the mirror and Sasuke having the sword, what makes you think either of them have them? They were in Itachi's possession when he died and there is no precedence to show that you can pass along an item spiritual or not when you die. The symbol of the raven entering Naruto WAS something, and it was then that Naruto received Itachi's gift, not an IOU for when he died. Sasuke's Sasanoo has a bow and arrow, not a sword.
flex
September 02, 2010, 11:57 PM
i just wanted to post this to see what people thought, i think there is already a thread for this but i cant find it. So i believe that each MS has its own unique abilities this is shown when madara says "so that sasuakes ability"
http://www.narutoverse.org/Naruto/476/08/
But i also believe that each indivual family within uchiha carry same abilities when it comes to the MS which would explain why itachi and Sasuake abilities.
http://www.narutoverse.org/Naruto/477/09/
has you can see on the last panel on the right danzou says he hasnt seen amaterasu since itachi which could mean only those two brother have the abilty
Sakakibara Eitaro
September 30, 2010, 05:06 PM
I couldn´t find a thread about it, so I create one. As u can see, Itachi gave Naruto some of his power.
http://www.cloudmanga.com/Naruto/403/#8
Thats why I think he lost to Sasuke (and lost on purpose), but when will this power awake? I think Itachi is a true strategist and could be a hokage, if it wasn´t for the Uchiha incident.
By the way, whit this Naruto can became the true first ninja (i don´t remember the name) since the uzumaki clan has in it´s blood the rinengan, plus he has the will of fire and the power of Uchiha
Hyuuga_Mugen
September 30, 2010, 07:21 PM
By the way, whit this Naruto can became the true first ninja (i don´t remember the name) since the uzumaki clan has in it´s blood the rinengan, plus he has the will of fire and the power of Uchiha
*Rikudou
All Itachi could have left within Naruto is chakra or information (they're basically one and the same anyway). Chakra for a preloaded technique (which most would like to think is a genjutsu), while info would simply reveal itself to Naruto at a key moment.
The only way he would gain a part of the Uchiha bloodline right now is if Kakashi was to sacrifice his eye or some BS like that. Just IMHO.
I still (think) i agree on what u (might) have been saying about Naruto's possible impending link to Rikudou. We just have to wait and see i guess...
Dattebayo!
September 30, 2010, 08:01 PM
Personally I think Itachi gave Naruto the sword of Totsuka, so if/when it comes to the choice of Naruto Killing Sasuke, he's in that "dream like genjutsu" I *really* doubt Naruto is going to get any type of Dojutsu as his bloodline is linked to The Senju which inherrited the body/life force of the Sage and not any of the eye's.
The story will most likely end with Naruto and Sasuke dying together to save the world, both being linked to one of the sages sons, and also settling a blood war which has spanned generations.
elitefox
September 30, 2010, 08:24 PM
That would be lame, I don't want to see another sharingan anymore XD
What I want is Naruto to pawn sharingan monsters and not to be one of them to prove that they aren't the only guys that can run the show
gnut
October 17, 2010, 06:36 PM
plain and simple,could itachi have given naruto the uchiha blood.not necessarily sharigan but something like madara/tobi.he is uchiha with senju blood,could naruto be senju/uzumaki with uchiha blood.....
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oh yeah,how in the hell does everyone have hashirama's DNA?this is the baddest shinobi since rikudou and everybody has cell samples of him.come on what is the trick....S/T jutsu:blink
zerocooldx
October 17, 2010, 07:37 PM
That would be lame, I don't want to see another sharingan anymore XD
What I want is Naruto to pawn sharingan monsters and not to be one of them to prove that they aren't the only guys that can run the show
Whatever Itachi gave to Naruto it obviously is something thats going to be very harmful to the person its used on. He did tell Naruto that he hopes that Naruto would never have to use it. So going off of that its most likely some sort of a weapon. Either way Sharingan is everywhere in this manga, even though there were only three living Uchiha for years...
Lelo
October 18, 2010, 05:22 PM
It's most likely for genjutsu. Itachi probably sealed part of himself in Naruto(like Minato did with himself and Kushina), so when the time comes he'll appear within Naruto and help him out. I can picture it now, Sasuke places a powerful genjutsu on Naruto and out of no where Itachi appears and Sasukes like Wtf!!!
naruto- the sage
October 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
i m sure of it that itachi-kun has given Naruto a power to counter the Amarterasu.....the Black fire can't be extinguished...and knowing that Madara would influence Sasuke who turned rogue....would not hesitate to use the technique on Naruto...Itachi-kun has given his Black crow's which is a symbol that can withstand the eternal flames...the three legged crow is the only thing that can survive the Amarterasu.......
which means naruto in his current form (yellow flash/control the kyuubi' chakra)...can
* dispel tsukuyomi with his immense chakra..
* withstand Amarterasu with Itachi-kun' power
* fight equally against the final defense of sasuke i.e., Susanoo...with his awesome techniques...
watever it is I trust in Kishi, he'll have sumthing awesome in his magic hat....looking forward to it....
dattebayo...
gnut
October 21, 2010, 05:19 PM
maybe itachi gave naruto the power of the uchiha,he knew naruto was the jinchuriki.he may have also known that he was senju related so maybe this was an access to the uchiha blood:burnkk so to speak....so he to would have izanagi.....:tobi
benelori
October 22, 2010, 11:15 AM
^^It could be...and we also know that Itachi could install programmed ninjutsu in other people, so Naruto may have an Izanagi ready to be performed, once he loses his life...maybe during extraction...Itachi said that he hopes that the day won't come that this power to show its effect, and extracting the Nine tails is pretty much game over...probably, I have mixed ideas...
ninjabot
October 31, 2010, 09:41 PM
What I want is Naruto to pawn sharingan monsters and not to be one of them to prove that they aren't the only guys that can run the show
...By using power that was given to him BY an Uchiha? It's not "proving Uchiha aren't the only one's running the show", when he's using an Uchiha's power TO run the show. What he gets from Itachi may not be a Sharingan, but it's Itachi's power, as stated. That's Uchiha power. He's already indebted to the Uchiha for his pending victory, lol.
Heh. I just got a wierd image of Naruto with a bunch of eyeballs in his arm like Danzou, lol. Since he's about to be a non-Uchiha relying on Uchiha power (that he didn't earn) soon enough. Just like Danzou.
jdw
October 31, 2010, 09:55 PM
Until we know what that power from Itachi is, we cannot say that Naruto will be pwning people with it, or running the show due to Uchiha power.
insid3rkill3r
November 01, 2010, 09:57 PM
Thats the thing with Itachi's power. If it really was an offensive ability, i dont think Naruto 'fans' would appreciate much the fact that Naruto's victory over Sasuke would be because of Itachi.
And i myself, wouldnt want the battle to go that way because of that, it wouldnt make Naruto look as badass as he should be.
If Sasuke vs Naruto happens, and that one of them dies at the end, they have to be put on fair ground, otherwise lots of people will rage over it.
Thats why i kinda came with the conclusion that Sasuke vs Naruto will not be the end of neither of them.
Like some1 said earlier, i believe the power given to Naruto being is some kind of genjutsu that would react at the sight of Sasuke's sharingan.
That genjutsu could very well be Itachi attemping to convince his brother to turn against Madara since he really is the sole responsible for the Uchiha's downfall. And with the knowledge that Naruto now has about what really occured on that night that changed Sasuke and Naruto'life forever it could very well make Sasuke realise that Madara should be the ultimate target for revenge.
It could very well fit with the fact that he NEVER wanted Naruto to have to use that power, because that power being used and Itachi appearing in such circumstances would mean that Sasuke knows the truth, and that was the last thing that Itachi wanted.
But if it really comes down to being some kind of offensive jutsu, i mean, i wouldnt hate so much, but i know a lot of people would indeed dislike it, but now Naruto would partially own his victory to a dead man.
Naruto and Sasuke are rivals, they will match each other in every way, and they have to fight on even terms.
mattiaildivino
November 05, 2010, 04:01 PM
Tobi said Naruto is a Senju,and with the power that Itachi gave to him,i think it's the sharingan,he will use Izanagi!
En Yang Ji
November 08, 2010, 08:53 AM
It seem Orochimaru's goal was becoming a rikudou the whole time. He wanted Harishima's power and the sharingan. He wanted to become the ultimate being and learn all the justu in the world. By becoming a rikudou and gaining the rinnegan eventually, he could definitely become the ultimate being.
Also it seems orochimaru was using Danzo as a Guinea pig, for when he decided to become a rikudou.
- this is what I think is going to happen: baritone eventually awakens his rikudou powers while fighting. Sasuke becomes a rikudou as well when kabuto takes over his body. Than they end up fighting one last time.
Straider
November 08, 2010, 11:56 AM
Maybe the gift from itachi is something like a one-shot izanagi.
That means Naruto has like in a game 2 lives...when he get attacked(maybe in a fight between sasuke and him) an he gets hit by a vital attack then this izanagi will be activated and is will be as nothing happened to naruto.
Joe7133
November 11, 2010, 02:44 PM
My only guess is a vision of Itachi telling Sasuke the truth about Madara and for Sasuke to help out Naruto.
What do you guys think?
zerocooldx
November 12, 2010, 10:06 AM
My only guess is a vision of Itachi telling Sasuke the truth about Madara and for Sasuke to help out Naruto.
What do you guys think?
I don't think Itachi could reveal anything too significant to Sasuke about Madara that would make Sasuke distrust and immediately attack Madara. In large part because Sasuke already doesn't really trust the guy and is just using him for his own benefit. Just like Madara is doing the same to Sasuke. So both guys don't really trust each other and have a purely business based relationship. I think the Raven/Crow will end up being some temporary anti-Sharingan spam weapon to help Naruto.
Fighting Spirit
November 21, 2010, 08:56 PM
What if its the Sword of Totsuka? Wouldn't it fit if Naruto were to come during the war and use against the reanimated shinobi? Imagine rikudou mode Naruto with the sword, wielding it in a way similar to how Itachi did.
LanderZ
November 21, 2010, 11:35 PM
What if its the Sword of Totsuka? Wouldn't it fit if Naruto were to come during the war and use against the reanimated shinobi? Imagine rikudou mode Naruto with the sword, wielding it in a way similar to how Itachi did.
Wouldn't that mean Itachi wouldn't have had it to use vs Orochimaru later on when fighting Sasuke?
Timeline error, unless you think he can copy it, which would be horribly OP'd.
IMO, it's some kind of counter to the Sharingan. Like, when Sasuke tries to mind-screw Naruto, he'll see Itachi, who will talk to him and reverse mind-screw him.
Dattebayo!
November 22, 2010, 03:35 AM
Wouldn't that mean Itachi wouldn't have had it to use vs Orochimaru later on when fighting Sasuke?
Timeline error, unless you think he can copy it, which would be horribly OP'd.
IMO, it's some kind of counter to the Sharingan. Like, when Sasuke tries to mind-screw Naruto, he'll see Itachi, who will talk to him and reverse mind-screw him.
I think more along your lines, perhaps when Sasuke "see's" the Kyuubi inside of Naruto, Itachi will apper and tell him the truth of what happened, that he has been Madara's toy.
But then again I do think it would be possible for it to be the sword of totsuka, it could have been a time delayed jutsu which would have needed Itachi to be dead for Naruto to gain access, although, I already believe Naruto has 1 legendary item with his necklace, plus there is the fact we need to see the true extent of his powers as they stand now.
ashher
November 22, 2010, 08:35 AM
Actually the chance of itachi's gift turning up to be a genjutsu message to sasuke has been considerably lessened imo after kabuto's summoning of itachi. Because if kishi indeed wants to write another confrontation between the uchiha brothers then he can simply let ET itachi face sasuke. In fact this meeting seems almost certainly on the card...so it becomes unlikely that kishi will use up the potentials of 'itachi's gift' storyline to write a third convo between sasuke and itachi.
mattiaildivino
November 22, 2010, 08:49 AM
What if its the Sword of Totsuka? Wouldn't it fit if Naruto were to come during the war and use against the reanimated shinobi? Imagine rikudou mode Naruto with the sword, wielding it in a way similar to how Itachi did.
If Itachi had given it to Naruto,he wouldn't have had the totsuka sword when he fought sasuke
Fighting Spirit
November 22, 2010, 05:24 PM
If Itachi had given it to Naruto,he wouldn't have had the totsuka sword when he fought sasuke
I know its really far fetched, but what if he made it so that it transfers to Naruto after his death? It is more of a spiritual weapon. Maybe Im just grabbing at straws.
daman246
November 22, 2010, 06:03 PM
If Itachi had given it to Naruto,he wouldn't have had the totsuka sword when he fought sasuke
maybe because teh sword is spiritual its like a contract and after itachi died naruto becomes the new owner that would make this much likely to happen or because itachi left part of himself inside naruto he can use the sword or any of itachis techniques later on
insid3rkill3r
November 22, 2010, 11:24 PM
Indeed, with Kabuto summoning Itachi as a edo tensei pretty much does lessen the possibility of the 'gift' being an apparition of Itachi.
So now, what remains?
We know that, Sasuke and Naruto are rivals and pretty much are meant to be equal till the very end, or at least that Naruto takes the edge even tho i think that even that is actually unlikely.
Sasuke cannot be possibly stronger at the end of the manga.
And if Itachi's gift turns out to be an offensive jutsu against Sasuke, i doubt many would enjoy that the gift would be what turns the tide in the favor for Naruto, thus making it look like he would have won the fight because of it...
And i honestly doubt that the gift would turn out to fail / be unsuccessful
since it would pretty much nerf the feeling of anticipation we had towards this so MYSTERIOUS gift entrusted to Naruto.
Honestly, i dont know where Kishi is heading with this, unless he plans to screw Edo Itachi really quick before Sasuke happens, i dont see it being a sort of genjutsu for Sasuke and Itachi to meet as brothers once again...
Could it be a power to actually break Edo Itachi free from Kabuto's control so he could fight with the alliance for a little while? Id say quite unlikely since who the hell would plan for such thing anyways? As smart as he is, i doubt he would have gambled on such thing, he most-likely have put everything he had in something that was most-likely going to happen and not something that 'could happen.
If its an offensive jutsu, which now became more-likely than ever imo. then i highly believe that Sasuke vs Naruto wont simply end, it will be interrupted by the gift and maybe stop there, i want Sasuke and Naruto to be rivals and equal till their death, they have to be put on fair grounds and not own their victory to some stored crow into some1's stomach.
xXan
November 23, 2010, 01:00 AM
Naruto is going to become Rikudo. Perhaps what Itachi gave Naruto is the Uchiha side of Rikudo ? Perhaps by becoming Rikudo he has to make some huge sacrifices and that is why Itachi said he should hope it never happens ? Perhaps Rikudo = spirit form or something like that and you lose yourself ...
ashher
November 23, 2010, 08:12 AM
I've been thinking along the lines of xXan's lines for some time now. I've been wondering if the gift has already been playing a role. 9tails was saying something like "this is rikudo's..." about the naruto's seal. Also there was a necklace like seal around naruto similar to that of rikudo...and the seals were tomoe shaped like that of sharingan. Now there is also a famed necklace in japanese myth, that contains a certain jewel. In naruto we've already seen a jewel left by 1st hokage. It was mentioned that there was another jewel of the 1st (was it anime only?). There can be a few ways to join there dots...it could've been like itachi's uchiha power helped in forming the necklace of naruto. Another option could be like this: itachi could've come to the possession of hashirama's jewel and left that with naruto. My favorite theory is another one...it was said that the younger son inherited the body of rikudo. It could be like the manifestation of those seals signified naruto's body being 'activated' (there has been a mention of 'body activation' regarding sage mode). Among the descendants of the elder son, the uchihas, those who have activated their eyes (in other words possess sharingan) can use izanagi given that they also have a bit of the power of body (the cell of senju). So perhaps those who have activated the body can use another jutsu once they have a bit of the power of the eye and that jutsu being izanami...one goddess yet to be mentioned, yet a very likely one. Perhaps it also comes with a heavy toll on the user like izanagi.
Fighting Spirit
November 23, 2010, 06:30 PM
Naruto is going to become Rikudo. Perhaps what Itachi gave Naruto is the Uchiha side of Rikudo ? Perhaps by becoming Rikudo he has to make some huge sacrifices and that is why Itachi said he should hope it never happens ? Perhaps Rikudo = spirit form or something like that and you lose yourself ...
That would be an epic and fitting end for the manga imo. The only downside would be that hes a bit young to have his life snatched away like that. Then again, so was the fourth.
mattiaildivino
November 24, 2010, 08:36 AM
a question: why did Itachi hope that the power he had given naruto wouldn't been used? i think it's the bad soul of the uchihas
Shadow Limiter
November 25, 2010, 05:04 AM
a question: why did Itachi hope that the power he had given naruto wouldn't been used?
The reason Itachi gave Naruto that power is because in case Sasuke decide to attack/destroy/harm Konoha in any way (which Itachi didn't want to happen), the power would help Naruto in fighting him.
The reason why Itachi wished that Naruto wouldn't have to use it is because if Naruto has to use that power, it means he is going to fight Sasuke in order to protect Konoha from Sasuke.
The two things Itachi wanted to never happen was 'the destruction of Konoha' (the reason he killed his whole clan) & 'Sasuke being safe & alive'. The usage of the power Itachi gave to Naruto signifies that the wish he had wouldn't be completed and Sasuke has chosen the path of 'Hatred & Destruction', which Itachi never wanted to happen.
gnut
November 25, 2010, 11:57 AM
plain and simple,could itachi have given naruto the uchiha blood.not necessarily sharigan but something like madara/tobi.he is uchiha with senju blood,could naruto be senju/uzumaki with uchiha blood.....
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oh yeah,how in the hell does everyone have hashirama's DNA?this is the baddest shinobi since rikudou and everybody has cell samples of him.come on what is the trick....S/T jutsu:blink
this is a post from back in october,itachi is smart enough and read the scroll of the uchiha's.he knows about the bloodlines once being just SOSP's,so in turn came to the conclusion that naruto was capable maybe genetically to become a super sage also.there was alot of things itachi was doing behind the scenes.remember at the same time he was gifting naruto he was about to fight his brother and also gift him with amaterasu.this guy may be the ultimate planner even over minato for what is going on 16yrs later from his plans.even over 80yrs of planning by madara,itachi may have seen this battle from the beginning.
biggchiefmo
June 21, 2011, 09:29 AM
On Itachi's gift to Naruto though it may seem like overkill, it has to be something dealing with the eyes. I mean logic dictates that Naruto has EVERYTHING else. Not saying that it would be something that changes the appearance of his eyes though, I like his stealy blue eyes, kyuubi eyes, and yellow frog eyes.
My theory on Itachi's gift: that whole convo between Itachi and Naruto took place in a genjutsu world of Itachi's making, we all know that if Naruto has a weakness it is genjutsu, since he's the type of fighter that would destroy comrades on the battlefield with his overpowered fighting style his only choice is to fight alone, so the likely hood of a comrade helping him out of a genjutsu is slim at best, and though we clearly see the kyuubi developing a level of respect for Naruto I still dont see him bowing to Naruto's will like the 8 tails does to Bee, so no help from him. That being said the gift from Itachi is most likely a high level genjutsu counter and possibly caster as well. Naruto has EVERYTHING else, adding some adeptness with genjutsu would make him the perfect ninja. But of course this gift will only activate upon seeing Sasuke's EMS. Even with Naruto has RM and SM the playing field will only be leveled by nullifying techs like tsukiyomi that would end the fight before it starts.
^Cesar^
June 21, 2011, 10:37 AM
On Itachi's gift to Naruto though it may seem like overkill, it has to be something dealing with the eyes. I mean logic dictates that Naruto has EVERYTHING else. Not saying that it would be something that changes the appearance of his eyes though, I like his stealy blue eyes, kyuubi eyes, and yellow frog eyes.
My theory on Itachi's gift: that whole convo between Itachi and Naruto took place in a genjutsu world of Itachi's making, we all know that if Naruto has a weakness it is genjutsu, since he's the type of fighter that would destroy comrades on the battlefield with his overpowered fighting style his only choice is to fight alone, so the likely hood of a comrade helping him out of a genjutsu is slim at best, and though we clearly see the kyuubi developing a level of respect for Naruto I still dont see him bowing to Naruto's will like the 8 tails does to Bee, so no help from him. That being said the gift from Itachi is most likely a high level genjutsu counter and possibly caster as well. Naruto has EVERYTHING else, adding some adeptness with genjutsu would make him the perfect ninja. But of course this gift will only activate upon seeing Sasuke's EMS. Even with Naruto has RM and SM the playing field will only be leveled by nullifying techs like tsukiyomi that would end the fight before it starts.
Well, that's a good theory but i still believe Itachi's gift is a key to activate some kind of sealing technique. That seal was intriduced on his own eyes by himself, before sasuke own them.
Perhaps you are wondering what the hell is that seal purpose?
My answer is: Maybe to seal one of sasuke's eyes techniques, or in the worst case, seal the eyes itself, removing it's "light". Would be nice to see sasuke going blind by itachi's jutso. At least that possibility explains better the reason itachi wished naruto had never to use that "gift".
Simple says: "Itachi said that, because if he had to use, it means sasuke has changed to the bad side, something itachi didnt want to." is not enough for me, so thats my theory :P.
biggchiefmo
June 21, 2011, 10:45 AM
Well, that's a good theory but i still believe Itachi's gift is a key to activate some kind of sealing technique. That seal was intriduced on his own eyes by himself, before sasuke own them.
Perhaps you are wondering what the hell is that seal purpose?
My answer is: Maybe to seal one of sasuke's eyes techniques, or in the worst case, seal the eyes itself, removing it's "light". Would be nice to see sasuke going blind by itachi's jutso. At least that possibility explains better the reason itachi wished naruto had never to use that "gift".
Simple says: "Itachi said that, because if he had to use, it means sasuke has changed to the bad side, something itachi didnt want to." is not enough for me, so thats my theory :P.
yeah that's pretty logical as well but that's one thing i dont wish to happen, I'd kind of like to see the manga go on after Madara is defeated with Sasuke becoming the main villian. Taking away Sasuke's Sharingan makes him no threat at all.
Gwym
June 22, 2011, 04:03 AM
Geez I would almost say it was irresponsible to go back to Itachi's gift. Its been how long since it was first mentioned? And I do believe it was only mentioned once.
Arrakesh
June 24, 2011, 04:15 PM
Actually, there is one possibility no one here has mention till now, and I think I have read each of the posts so far. We know for a fact that Madara "gave" Nagato the Rinnegan, eventhough we do not know how. Based on this assumption it is perfectly possible that Itachi may have "given" Naruto the Rinnegan as well, and if we consider that both Naruto and Nagato are Uzumaki clan, therefore, descendants of the younger brother, there is no real hidrance to prevent it.
Regarding what Itachi said later on about hoping he never has to use it, there are 2 main possibilities, or perhaps both at once. First, the one already mentioned that he hoped Sasuke would never go to the Dark Side with Madara, therefore would be no need for this "power" he gave to Naruto. Second, Itachi hoped Madara would be stopped somehow and his plans would never come into work.
Anyway, it would be interesting to see a Kyubi/Senjutsu powered Naruto with Rinnegan.
Just my 2 cents...
Boris999
June 24, 2011, 11:00 PM
It kind of makes sense. Senju descendants are the only people with the physical capability of awakening the Rinnegan, but they cannot simply do it alone as the lack the 'eye power' of the elder brother. So a high level Magekyo Sharingan Uchiha has to willingly give a particularly strong-blooded Senju the ability to awaken the Rinnegan.
It explains why Tobi thinks that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. It also explains why Tobi would do that, since he cannot give himself such eyes. Only someone with the true body of a Senju can inherit it (but not without help from a descendant of the older brother.)
It also explains why the Rinegan has never appeared before, it seems unlikely that it would skip so very many generations completely. However, if it requires a Senju of particularly strong blood, and am Uchiha of particularly strong blood and on top of that it needs them to cooperate; it makes sense that it would not have happened until now. There have, after all, only been a very, very rare few who have awakened the Magekyo Sharingan over the years. And out of those only 3 of them are 'true' Uchiha. Now, on top of that, they had to have been informed enough to -know- that they need to give a gift as powerful as that to a sworn enemy of their clan - and then let them develop it to a level where they might become too strong to control. An extremely complicated and high-risk thing to do.
Is it any wonder, if that is the case, that Nagato is the only Senju/Uzumaki to gain the Rinnegan? It requires such an unlikely teamwork between such rarely powerful individuals of two clans, as well as the knowledge and will required to make such an attempt. Tobi may have been the first. Would it be a surprise if Itachi is only the second?
All in all, it -can- make plenty of sense for Naruto to gain an eye power, despite people not liking the idea. Depends on how it is written.
Arrakesh
June 25, 2011, 09:55 AM
Regarding people not liking the doujutsu idea for Naruto it is not Rinnegan related. What they don't want (me included) is for Naruto to gain a Uchiha's power (sharigan) and only be able to defeat/fight Madara/Sasuke with that power. Specially because Sasuke will keep implying that Naruto was only able to win because of the Uchiha's power he got. Since a Rinnegan is a Senju/Uzumaki ability, I believe it would not matter at all.
Another interesting point related to the rinnegan and Naruto is that Rinnegan is a doujutsu that does not use genjutsus. Meaning, it's abilities are fighting abilities, of physical prowess, instead of mind abilities. And considering how bright and clever Naruto is (specially with genjutsus) the rinnegan would fit properly his fighting styles, whereas a sharigan would just be a cute pair of eyes with nice copying skills.
Boris999
July 01, 2011, 10:20 AM
So just an idea that popped into my head that I haven't seen anyone else mention.
I figure, Itachi's smart guy. He clearly knew a fair share about Madara; possibly a lot more then we give him credit for. If nothing else, he clearly, at some point, practically mindraped Orochimaru who knew quite a lot; so it's not farfetched he knew a lot more then we give him credit for.
So, what if Itachi's gift to Naruto was an immunity to this Moon's eye plan ol' Madara has going. I mean, if there is one person in the world who is capable of resisting such a powerful teqnique is would have to be the greatest Genjutsu master the world has possibly seen - ie Itachi.
It would also fit in with what he said "I hope you never have to use this". I mean, no doubt he would hope that Madara's plan never comes to fruition and as such Naruto will never need the immunity. It would certainly make sense. Also, it would not only show off Itachi's badassery both in intelligence, strategy and genjutsu but it would also mean that Madara (at least temporarily) 'wins' this war. Which is a nice twist imo.
What do y'all think?
jalix
July 08, 2011, 11:02 AM
Naruto's mastery over the 9 tails chakra, and that it reacts with Mokuton is obviously pretty big, which made me think more about what Itachi gave him as well. Itachi only stated taht it was 'some of his power'. But Itachi being an Uchiha, providing Naruto with a portion of what he needs to perform a jutsu like Izanagi, which the original sage supposedly used to create teh world. Assuming Naruto is a descendant of that sage, knowing his reaction to mokuton and Itachi, I think we just slowly picked up a few pieces of what could be used towards the end of the manga to revolutionize the ninja world.
But speaking of Madara... one thing I can't help but think more of, is that maybe Sasuke wasn't as good as we thought he was in his prior fights. I mean this vs. Deidara, and then vs. Danzo. In the Danzo fight, I remember Madara doing something but it not being very clear exactly what it was. Vs. Deidara, we don't have a great deal of proof, but I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, Danzou did something then too. In otherwords, Sasuke may have gotten assists that he isn't yet aware of, which Madara may use to manipulate Sasuke further in the future. Just a theory, but the Danzou fight always came across strange to me.
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