PDA

View Full Version : Discussion Doubles Tier List



Jyten
September 30, 2009, 03:31 PM
This list is currently under construction. Latest update:


S
Tanegashima/Ohmagari

A
Akutsu/Sanada
Atobe/Niou
Kimijima/Tohno
Ochi/Mouri

B
Date/Ban
Kite/Marui

C
Chitose/Tachibana (assuming MnS)
Momoshiro/Kenya
Mutsu/Mutsu
Shiraishi/Kirihara
Taira/Hara

D
Chitose/Tachibana (assuming no MnS)
Kawamura/Kabaji
Miyako/Matsudaira
Nakagauchi/Miyako
Oishi/Kikumaru
Oishi/Niou
Washio/Suzuki

To be tiered
Amane/Kurobane
Chinen/Hirakoba
Fuji/Kawamura
Fuji/Kikumaru
Inui/Kaidou
Kamio/Ibu
Kawamura/Momoshiro
Kikumaru/Momoshiro
Konjiki/Hitouji
Marui/Kuwahara
Minami/Higashikata
Momoshiro/Kaidou
Oshitari/Mukahi
Sanada/Yanagi (?)
Shishido/Ootori
Tezuka/Inui (?)
Yanagi/Kirihara
Yagyuu/Niou

javimgol
September 30, 2009, 03:51 PM
I love doubles, so I thought I was going to love this topic...but the tier is horrible!!
This is a lot more accurate, I think

SS Class
Golden Pair

S Class
Bunta-Jackal
Shishido-Choutaroh

A Class
Renji-Akaya
Nioh-Yagyyu

B Class
Inui-Kaidoh
Gin-Kenya

C Class
Fuji-Kawamura
Jimmies
Ishida-Kamio
Chinen-Rin
Amane-Kurobane
Cancer-Hiyoshi
etc

Jyten
September 30, 2009, 04:10 PM
Well, again like I said wasn't too sure in PoT how much team work really played into things but according to your post its a lot more important that just skill in singles. I tried to compare PoT tennis to real life tennis...and well it didn't work...not that I'm an expert on either subject. Also, edit...mixed some chars up...fixed now...

Also, I'll give this some more thought..and update the Tier list accordingly...for now I'll just go with yours as a starting point and hide mine.

KuwabaraTheMan
September 30, 2009, 04:24 PM
I think Minami/Higashitaka are getting severely underrated. They're at least B, and possibly A. I'd include Akazawa/Kaneda in C class as well. I think they're better than most of the pairs included on that list.

Fayte
September 30, 2009, 06:43 PM
Sorry but Shishido and Ootori are not in the same league as Jackal and Bunta.

Sherlock Holmes
September 30, 2009, 07:07 PM
Also, Nioh-Yagyyu>Renji-Akaya.

Nioh and Yagyuu probably couldn't(though they would have a shot) beat Renji.
But they sure as hell can beat Akaya.

And they work better in doubles. Renji and Akaya don't really play doubles. It's more like Renji "tames" Kirihara. The Gentleman and The Trickster could probably figure something out.

Jyten
October 01, 2009, 10:53 AM
Sorry but Shishido and Ootori are not in the same league as Jackal and Bunta.

I don't know about that. They did quite well against the Golden Pair until they Syncroed and since both Rikkaidai and Hyoutei doubles got rocked by Syncro...I can't say Rikkaidai doubles is that much better than Hyoutei doubles. Not enough information.

Bowser
October 01, 2009, 11:14 AM
The Silver Pair...I dunno either. I think Jackal could probably just run around hitting everything back. Shishido might be able to catch Marui's myogi though.

Renji and Akaya are makeshift double for me, where Renji shows his full worth in a tennis game, killing everyone psychologically and Akaya finishes them. Yagyuu and Niou can think of something yeah.

javimgol
October 01, 2009, 12:26 PM
I think Minami/Higashitaka are getting severely underrated. They're at least B, and possibly A. I'd include Akazawa/Kaneda in C class as well. I think they're better than most of the pairs included on that list.
About Jimmies, remember, they lost VS Kantoh's Golden Pair,and Golden Pair lost in Kantoh Final VS Yagyyu-Nioh
And in Nationals, Jimmies lost VS Nagoya pair,who wasn´t good enough to play in SFs. And even the substitutes of the Nagoya pair who defeated Jimmies were completely destroyed by Rikkai.
Maybe Jimmies could be in Rank B, but personally I think is too much

Lemonphantom
October 01, 2009, 09:35 PM
I think Yagyuu and Niou should be S class. There's a reason why they were Doubles 1 in the Kanto Finals. I also think the Akaya and Renji pair should be S class because with just skills, they can defeat almost any pair. For example, I think Renji and Akaya can return the Scud Serve seeing as how they can return the Waterfall quite easily, so I think they can beat the Silver Pair. And Renji and Akaya are some of the strongest players in POT.

javimgol
October 02, 2009, 10:05 AM
I think Yagyuu and Niou should be S class. There's a reason why they were Doubles 1 in the Kanto Finals. I also think the Akaya and Renji pair should be S class because with just skills, they can defeat almost any pair. For example, I think Renji and Akaya can return the Scud Serve seeing as how they can return the Waterfall quite easily, so I think they can beat the Silver Pair. And Renji and Akaya are some of the strongest players in POT.

Akaya isn´t even in TOP 10, (remember, Seigaku Big 3, Rikkai Big 3, Shiten Big 3 and Atobe).
And if Kikumaru, the man with the best vision and even able to return Yagyyu's Laser Beam, couldn´t stand an chance against Neo Scud Serve, I seriously doubt any other player, except TOP 10 can return it. And return it enough times to break Ootori serve...man, sounds really dificult.Take into account that Golden Pair in Super Saijan mode couldn´t return it...

Bowser
October 02, 2009, 10:50 AM
And if Kikumaru, the man with the best vision and even able to return Yagyyu's Laser Beam, couldn´t stand an chance against Neo Scud Serve, I seriously doubt any other player, except TOP 10 can return it. And return it enough times to break Ootori serve...man, sounds really dificult.Take into account that Golden Pair in Super Saijan mode couldn´t return it...

The only reason why Golden pair couldnt return a neo scud in syncro mode, is cuz syncro meant they are syncronized in play, and put of a wonderful double display. They cant just go into syncro and return a scud, they have limits too. Neo Scud serve and laser beam are different though, the laser beam was rather low and straight, while with neo scud, u had to predict where it would land and return it since it bounces straightaway. Its probably more powerful too I guess.

Jyten
October 02, 2009, 11:42 AM
The only reason why Golden pair couldnt return a neo scud in syncro mode, is cuz syncro meant they are syncronized in play, and put of a wonderful double display. They cant just go into syncro and return a scud, they have limits too. Neo Scud serve and laser beam are different though, the laser beam was rather low and straight, while with neo scud, u had to predict where it would land and return it since it bounces straightaway. Its probably more powerful too I guess.

And this is really what I wanted to understand in PoT, how much does team work really count for? I mean could Sanada + Yuki beat the Golden Pair?

Bowser
October 02, 2009, 02:58 PM
Probably, i mean theyre good enough players to at least know how to play doubles. They probably will win.

Lemonphantom
October 02, 2009, 05:30 PM
Akaya isn´t even in TOP 10, (remember, Seigaku Big 3, Rikkai Big 3, Shiten Big 3 and Atobe).
And if Kikumaru, the man with the best vision and even able to return Yagyyu's Laser Beam, couldn´t stand an chance against Neo Scud Serve, I seriously doubt any other player, except TOP 10 can return it. And return it enough times to break Ootori serve...man, sounds really dificult.Take into account that Golden Pair in Super Saijan mode couldn´t return it...

Well how would you explain Renji and Akay returning the Waterfall...It's only a little bit slower than the Neo Scud Serve...and they returned it quite easily. Akaya would defeat most players like they were nothing. He's better than most of the players in the show. He gave Fuji a hard time so that should account for a lot...and that was before Devil Akaya. And dare I talk about Renji?....Kirihara/Renji Pair is a very good pair that can probably play very evenly with the Silver Pair...seeing as how the Inui/Kaidoh pair did well against the Silver Pair and they got killed by Kirihara and Renji....

javimgol
October 03, 2009, 05:34 AM
Renji returned so easily Waterfall because he knows too much Inui. Remember, the link Renji-Inui was the key to Seigaku's Kanto victory.Now was one of the keys of Seigaku's totally owned in Final's Doubles 1 (just guessing, but even with Kaidoh in Devil Mode and Inui collecting data, if the match would have continue, Seigaku'd have lost 6-2 or sth similar)

I consider that a doubles specialist will be always, if both pairs have the same level, better than the pair formed by two awesome but singles players. Renji-Kirihara has a great doubles (and singles) player, Renji, and one of the most egocentric, selfish and individual, Akaya. Akaya showed not too much doubles knowledge, but he did pretty well anyways because he's very good and could destroy the intelligent part of Inui-Kaidoh pair.

I seriously think everybody underrates Silver Pair only because they are Hyotei's. If their jacket would be yellow and black instead of white there would be no doubts that they are in the same level as Bunta-Marui

Lemonphantom
October 03, 2009, 02:30 PM
But even if you know a person, you still will have a hard time getting a serve like the Waterfall....

Bowser
October 03, 2009, 03:07 PM
I did have a reason to believe that Renji/Akaya is better than Marui and Jackal, but I forgot.

Renji didnt return waterfall cuz they were old friends, renji said it himself - "your hitting course had already been made evident by my data"...and Kirihara returned it too thanks to Renjis data, so you could almost be certain that if Renji can get the data, which he probably would, he could return the neo scud, and so could devil akaya too...and I dont think Shishido will be a problem, Kirihara himself can return Fuu and Rin I believe, so a rising counter shouldnt be difficult for him.

javimgol
October 03, 2009, 03:56 PM
I did have a reason to believe that Renji/Akaya is better than Marui and Jackal, but I forgot.

Renji didnt return waterfall cuz they were old friends, renji said it himself - "your hitting course had already been made evident by my data"...and Kirihara returned it too thanks to Renjis data, so you could almost be certain that if Renji can get the data, which he probably would, he could return the neo scud, and so could devil akaya too...and I dont think Shishido will be a problem, Kirihara himself can return Fuu and Rin I believe, so a rising counter shouldnt be difficult for him.

Your arguments are really very good. But my point here is that data/mind can counter/copy 98% of the moves. There is a 2% of "special moves/abilities" that can not be countered, as we know:
-Muga can not copy Tezuka Zone (but Nioh can)
-Nioh/Shiraishi? isn´t able to counter Hoshi Hanabi
-Zero Shiki Serve seems to be impossible to copy.
-Only Jirou can use Magic Volley because of his natural flexibility
I think, it's just an opinion, Neo Scud Serve is in that list

And remember, Silver Pair isn´t only Neo Scud Serve. They seem to know a lot doubles tactics. Mirage is strange, almost impossible to do in real life but a real very good idea. I can not see Renji/Akaya or Yagyyu/Nioh creating formations

Bowser
October 03, 2009, 04:37 PM
Sure, they're not based on formations, theyre not too bothered. With Renji and Kirihara, they can break mirage, Renji is smart enough, or if Kirihara is bothered, beat them both up. Yagyuu and Nioh are magnificent bastard and gentlemen pair, they can own most ppl with tricks.

My argument is, without neo scud, silver pair are fked.

Regarding to the "uncountable moves", Nioh ciouldn't return Hoshi Hanabi because he wasn't expecting it if you were to ask me + never saw it, and it was very late in the game, Nioh had no time to respond. Zero shiki is unbreakable (how the fk do u return a serve that rolls back on impact? A rising shot from behind?). Magic volley can be prevented if you keep Jirou at baseline. Neo scud is definately breakable, its just a fast serve thats about 3km faster than Inui's serve, besides, ootori only had the chance to use it against a few opponents.

Kaoz
December 16, 2013, 03:40 PM
Revived the old doubles tier list thread so that we can discuss both lists without getting into each others way. Might move some of the posts from the other thread over, not sure yet. Current list can be found in the OP.