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cassaruby
October 01, 2009, 03:39 PM
Let's get our clues together:

Sebastian is suspicious
Aliens linked to human history and culture
Gantz is man-manufacturd
Normal Gantzers are always confused
We don't know who's pulling the strings.
The new robots look like they were inspired by terminator and alien movies.

Eksh
October 01, 2009, 08:26 PM
If Gantz is preparing the human race to survive the Katastrophe:

- The invasion isn't directly related to Gantz [The aliens invading weren't the ones who created Gantz, if they wanna invade Earth they wouldn't train warriors to stop them]
- It could be that if the theory is right, the good aliens may also come to Earth and help the human race survive

If the invasion is indeed of the ones who are behind Gantz

- My theory here? The aliens that all the Gantzers killed in their missions? Those were.. The good guys, yep. The aliens couldn't invade with the aliens on Earth, and after the final misson they could finally do whatever they want. In the end the Onion Kid was the one supposed to save Earth, you'll see! I'd say this is the theory for now, considering most of the aliens didn't attack the Gantzers before they were attacked..

Those are my 2 theories, though I prefer the second. Sebastian imo stands for the first one though, because he didn't care about killing people,maybe he was some kind of an alien spy reporting to his allies?

Damura
October 01, 2009, 08:49 PM
Gantz is not necessarily man-made. It was built by men, yes, but there is a good chance that aliens designed the technology. Katastrophe was on a timer. That means either Gantz initiated the attack or was in some way able to predict it. Assuming the robot meteor things traveled through space to come to earth, it's plausible that Gantz could track them and predict their arrival.

The aliens killed thus far by Tokyo are unlikely to be the good guys. Onion aliens, sure. Maybe. Oni aliens, Vampires and Nurarihyon? No fucking way. Some aliens even fought each other (dino mission). The aliens are mostly likely not working together, and so they can't be the 'good guys'. I'd like to see the aliens we've met with so far take on these robots. 95% would be slaughtered. The aliens didn't attack the Gantzer's because they had no idea who or what they were until they started shooting.

Gantz did not actually train warriors. It collected humans and sent them to fight aliens in order to raise money and influence governments. You can't call Tokyo's Gantzer's "trained fighters" when only two of them have ever used a H-gun, and none of them have flown a bike.

cassaruby
October 01, 2009, 09:14 PM
It's implied Gantz was a betting game, and that could be partly true.
It could have been a lie though.

Vampires and Oni aliens knew something and saw Gantzers as enemies. Other aliens wondered why Gantzers were killing them. Later it's revealed Gantzers emit signals which make Aliens want to kill them. Inconsistent, yet the ending was supposedly being planned long ago. Oku had to make some changes and left some holes through out Gantz. I wonder if he did that for the ending to work.

Nothing has really been revealed, only planned by Gantz. One theme I see is helplessness of people. All the Tokyo Gantzers are trying to keep their loved ones alive. No one knows what's going on.

Possibilities:
It would make sense that Gantz is still in control of the Gantzers and they will all be summoned and informed of how to do something by say Sebastian. The vampires are the enemies with the aliens.

Or Sebastian could be the villian and/or introduce the main villian (vampires?) if someone is actually controlling Gantz.

Gantz could be out of control and complete chaos will ensue.

Edit in response to post below:
That does appear to be the case. Gantz's sole mission is wiping out aliens. But all that glitters is not gold.

Drmke
October 01, 2009, 09:22 PM
I think its just as simple as Gantz is against all aliens so the aliens are forced to be against Gantz.

Obviously not all the aliens are innocent as many have claerly tried to kill lots of innocent people that weren't involved with Gantz, but also, many aliens have no idea what's going on when Gantzers come to get them and don't understand why there are being attacked.

And that's why I don't think Gantz is good either. It seems to just be set on exterminating all the aliens on Earth regardless as to whether or not they are a threat to humanity.

Eksh
October 02, 2009, 12:01 AM
@ Damura - The aliens know about the hunters. In the Nuri mission it was stated that the aliens are getting a "Hunter Signal" from the Gantzers, just like the radar shows alien signals, so the Aliens knew what's coming.

@ cassa - I think It's rally a betting game, but this was the "excuse for the humans". After all, if the bad aliens are behind Gantz, they wouldn't tell the professor how to build a "device that will help them destroy the human kind" right? They probably suggested the betting and the prophit it'll gain to the company to make the professor actually listen and do as his daughter "said"

Damura
October 02, 2009, 01:24 AM
The hunter signal has not necessarily been in effect every mission. It could be thought of as a means for Gantz to ensure that everybody fights. The 'elite' from all over the world watch these fights and gamble on them. It is possible that the signal is only used when necessary. The 'hunter signal' provokes aliens into attacking, but it doesn't show the aliens the Gantzers exact location (which is why Nuri struggled to locate Reika), and it doesn't tell them why they need to fight. Some aliens know about hunters (Oni, Vampires). Other aliens do not (Onion, Tanaka).

- Onion Alien
- Tanaka Alien
- Tae Alien
- Dino Alien (some of them)
- Vampires

None of these aliens were compelled to fight. We've only had proof of the Nuri aliens having an urge to fight.

Anyway my point is that Aliens don't necessarily know about Gantz, and they are probably not always compelled to fight.
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It's implied Gantz was a betting game, and that could be partly true.
It could have been a lie though.

Unlikely to be a lie.

1. No reason from a writer's point of view to lie about this.
2. There was an explanation given in the story to explain why it was being revealed ("no one will believe it anyway" + "most governments and influential people are in on Gantz"), supported by the lack of security in the Gantz factory.
3. It was advertised as a big reveal of Gantz's true purpose.
4. Gantz, at least the gambling side of it, was shut down days(?) before the world was invaded by giant robots.

Amnesiac
October 03, 2009, 02:43 PM
My speculation:

1 - The robots belong to some big bad aliens that routinely attack other civilizations. (maybe they need extra planets, maybe they need some kind of resource, or maybe they just don't want other civilizations to get technologically advanced)

2 - Over the centuries many alien refugees came to earth, some of them would be the source of the nano machines that lead to the existence of the vampires.

3 - A rebel group sent to Earth the information of gantz tech so that maybe we would be able to repel thee coming attack. (marked by the katastrophe timer)

4 - The ones who ended up receiving the information (the german company) used the alien tech to make pointless hunting games, ironically probably many times against aliens that would have helped them fighting off the invasion.

5 - The big bad aliens arrive, and the Earth is fucked.

Then Sebastian would be a herald of the invading forces. Maybe he was the one who distorted the use of gantz tech into hunting games.

kaliayev
October 03, 2009, 11:20 PM
@amnesiac

Mine would add that some of species that were attacked capitulated/became fervent followers, make a few changes to number three (I see gantz as more of a universal force than the creation of a single species. That is, the destructive entity and gantz play out the cliche scenario of good, relatively, vs. evil with various species throughout the universe. With each planet, gantz would adapt its equipment to the technology and body-structure of the dominant species. So far, gantz has been losing, though, as always, there's something special about humanity. XD), and remove number four. While you and I have similar outlooks on the situation, outlines such as these, which promote the idea that gantz is ultimately benevolent, make it difficult to reconcile the defense of the human species against whatever destructive entity underlies the invasion and the targeting of possible refugees during missions. In my mind, with my scenario, the best solution I have is that gantz gave the dominant species of each planet one opportunity to defend their respective native planets, and after the subsequent failure and exodus, said species of refugees were exempt from further assistance. While it would make some sense to seek an alliance with those who have been wronged by the destructive entity than to actively hunt them, gantz supports, while following specific rules, a merit-based reward system, which would necessitate the hunting of the refugee species in order to increase the equipment acquired by the representative hunters of the planet's dominant species. Of course, your speculation that the technology simply fell into the wrong hands, or at least was partially manipulated by the wrong people, solves that problem as well.

p.s. I wouldn't be surprised if Nishi, upon encountering the underlying destructive entity, decided to play the role of turncoat.

p.p.s. Didn't vote because mine shares elements with several of the options, yet is too ambiguous to satisfy any.

Tumerking
October 04, 2009, 09:28 PM
I give up. I've had many many predictions about Gantz and they've all been dead wrong. I've learned to just sit back, let Oku do his thing, and enjoy the ride.

Mushashi
December 11, 2009, 11:34 PM
yeh im pretty much agreeing with tumer, but the way the story is going i think that the aliens and robots are from another planet, gantz in an underground organisation who was originaly trying to fight the alians back in the shadows. although with this theory there are a few flaws, firstly if all gantz needed were more warriors why when the gantzers die they dont just bring them back from there memories like the option for when 100 points is reached, i guess we will have to sit back and let oku do his thing

Amnesiac
December 17, 2009, 02:33 PM
p.s. I wouldn't be surprised if Nishi, upon encountering the underlying destructive entity, decided to play the role of turncoat.

Haha neither would I. Offering powerful equipment in return would seal the deal quite nicely.

BlackSwimmer
February 04, 2010, 03:20 AM
The aliens killed thus far by Tokyo are unlikely to be the good guys. Onion aliens, sure. Maybe. Oni aliens, Vampires and Nurarihyon? No fucking way. Some aliens even fought each other (dino mission). The aliens are mostly likely not working together, and so they can't be the 'good guys'. I'd like to see the aliens we've met with so far take on these robots. 95% would be slaughtered. The aliens didn't attack the Gantzer's because they had no idea who or what they were until they started shooting.

Gantz did not actually train warriors. It collected humans and sent them to fight aliens in order to raise money and influence governments. You can't call Tokyo's Gantzer's "trained fighters" when only two of them have ever used a H-gun, and none of them have flown a bike.smart post, alot of good theories in this thread

Surreaoland
September 09, 2010, 10:02 AM
Demura, nice analysis there. :)

I want to elaborate that I do not think Gantz is a 'gambling game'. The CEO of the manufacturer was:

1 - Lying. He could arrange for reporters' deaths, but perhaps he does not direct the purchased Gantz balls, etc. Maybe he created the technology and could not manage it, which is the reason he would not expose truths when they'd endanger his reputation.
2 - Superficial truth. He created the Gantz from an alien source (perhaps it was via his daughter) and created a secondary purpose for it that's founded upon the alien's purpose as a superficial motive. We have the CEO's motive revealed, but I wonder about the alien's motive who potentially manipulated him.
3 - Alien director. He is an alien and deceived the reporter with a valid story that is consistent with human naure: Greed, utilizing beneficial technology ruthlessly for wealth. His true purpose will be unveiled in due time.

:) I'm very excited to see which one is correct, though, or if there's an alternate possibility.

gantzaccount
September 10, 2010, 05:08 AM
It's God, or someone whose technology is powerful enough to duplicate his powers.

Think about the powers/traits of Gantz:

1. Resurrection.
2. Gives out rather vague rules that you must follow or face horrible punishment.
3. In the end, gives a great reward to those who follow said rules.
4. Seems to hate demons (aliens) on his territory.
5. Writes his commandments in a list like I am here.

Perhaps Sebastian is God, or was hinting that someone using advanced could be indistinguishable from God. If you had nanotechnology infesting everything, you could pretty much cause/control any actions.

Damura
September 10, 2010, 06:22 AM
^

It's not resurrection. Don't have to be a God to be a massive dickhead and not explain the rules. Everyone uses rewards. They attack aliens for sport. Lists have been used for rules since the dawn of time. Lists are fantastic.

Don't think Oku believes in God. Everything we've seen so far has been pretty much explained by some form of technology. Doubt there's a God. God doesn't need to trap nude men inside of his large, black balls in order to perform miracles.

Shion Izumi
September 10, 2010, 10:53 AM
I think the Annunaki aliens are behind the Gantz tech and used the Gantzers to wipe out the random aliens that remained on Earth because they want to use the humans as slaves.

I also think that they are the ones communicating with the fat German girl.

Damura
September 10, 2010, 11:35 AM
^

Fantastic. So how does wiping out some random aliens and not others helps? And how does leaving the Gantzers alive help anybody?

Shion Izumi
September 10, 2010, 04:36 PM
^^

Maybe they want to just neutralize the human population so that they are not a threat in big numbers.

They want to leave as little humans as possible because they can be threatening in numbers?

Just a thought.

Also they named their ship after Tokyo. That must mean that they are somewhat familiar with the planet.

102jayday
September 16, 2010, 04:10 AM
Looking at todays gantz chappter i think its the giant human/horse aliens. Their weapons are like gantz and the zoo with all kind's of aliens there makes sense on where gantz gets aliens from.

Somnus
September 16, 2010, 07:55 AM
Looking at todays gantz chappter i think its the giant human/horse aliens. Their weapons are like gantz and the zoo with all kind's of aliens there makes sense on where gantz gets aliens from.

I don't know, normally the alien of Gantz are very different from those that are in the zoo . I bet the Statue Aliens and Nuri and his army could destroy that spaceship easily.

I think some aliens are Gantz made or are "earthlings" living in another dimension like The Onion aliens, the chibi aliens,Nuri and the yokai, dinosaurs etc... And Others do come out from outerspace like , the Budhas/Statues(I believe they must be some "parasite" that takes control of statues) and the Oni

Sat
September 17, 2010, 03:57 PM
Alright, I had been browsing this forum for some time throughout my following of the Gantz story and I have a rather solid theory that potentially could outweigh Oku's attempts to be forge a feeling of unpredictability and consequently realism.

The signal could not be omitted from an alien to an alien biologically, they all function so drastically different I find the plausibility of a natural signal aliens can pick up on to be highly suspect; it is fair to assume that the aliens were under the Gantz ruleset just as much as the humans were. You getting me?

They were forced to fight, as is evidenced by the shorty alien who cried in his last moments at Kurono's school; this is the basis of my theory. They capture aliens as proven by their own home, and then set them off to engage in Gantz as a form of whatever. Testing? Amusement? Perhaps to see the viability of their targets and their sentiency? It is highly likely Sebastian is an alien's avatar, agent, or even a created experiment to keep in touch with and moderate such an occurence.

A signal that an alien could pick up must be from Gantz tech to other Gantz tech. But since humans cannot see signals and are forced to fight a plethora of opponents, it is equally fair to assume the aliens were engineered to fight more than the humans were; different rulesets between the two sides.

All a fair assumption, as Katastrophie has some link to the aliens.

Further clarifications in my overdue edit:

One of the very very few things Gantz does right is weaving a masterful tapestry of realistic believability and utter bullshit, and the offset between the two will work to confuse you in a way that only real life's own vagueness can. It's a smart way to immerse readers.

But even if you have some hints you are understandably misinterpreting, you couldn't entirely suss it out even if you got them down right - there'd still be some information we haven't gotten yet. And it's the series ability to confuse the readers which creates this inability to distinguish between theorizing and rationalizing.

For one, even if you figure out the puzzle pieces you have, if there's a big bit of the picture missing and you can't find the pieces you will not stitch it back together; sorry. Sebastian and Gantz are the biggest anomalies. We do not know who sent that signal, be it the aliens attacking or some other asshole who meant to give us a means to fight back. We do not know who Sebastian is, or who put Katastrophie there, only that who or whatever did - be it the opponents or someone else - was entirely aware of what's going to happen.

This is a series with materializing H-Guns and Masamune type blades, so you must also call into question the authors over commitment to sci fi horror at the expense of making sense. But we also know he takes breaks and has time to plan things, and is likely cutting corners.

Damura
September 18, 2010, 03:04 AM
How does your theory account for the statue aliens, the Oni aliens and the vampires?

Who says the alien 'signals' are natural? I don't think that they are. Could just as easily be a device similar to the bombs planted inside the aliens head that drives them to fight.

Lith3um
October 09, 2010, 09:00 PM
Everything related to gantz could come from the giant aliens and the aliens could be monitoring earth as a strange form of entertainment?

Damura
October 10, 2010, 03:45 AM
^
There's a few reasons why the aliens are unlikely to have manufactured the Gantz technology:

- The aliens should have detonated the bombs in all of the players when they went to invade.
- Their weapons and technology are advanced, but they don't seem quite up to the standard of Gantz technology. Their guns are inferior to the Gantz guns, for example
- The spray that they used on humans to remove their clothing and other items was ineffective on the Gantz technology. If they built it they should have been able to get rid of it, and if they couldn't they shouldn't have left the Gantzers to roam free.
- Their armor is shit. The Gantz weapons ruin them pretty quickly. As far as exoskeletons go the aliens seem to have inferior technology.

gnut
February 20, 2011, 08:47 AM
sebastian and nuri had to be familiar with each other...the same exact quotes nuri said to kato is the same thing sebastian said to kenichi..."do you feel the presense of god"and"what shape would god take".to me,that is to much of a coincidence...sebastian might be an alien or even a gantzman himself...one who needs no ball to make things occur.seeing sebastian do what he did to the old lady/car/plane...makes me wonder if the tokyo ball was hand picking certain people to become gantzers....

GAT-X252
February 20, 2011, 10:28 AM
But he also mentioned what Inaba and Kurono once said in the room...relatives to them too?

I think he knew what they said and just repeated their words.

gnut
February 20, 2011, 11:55 AM
you're right...but it's as if it was a prepared speech of a sort.it's just funny the strongest alien we've seen...spewwing over religion and god.it makes me wonder if the previous aliens WERE humans...

ownage404
May 21, 2011, 09:25 PM
sebastian and nuri had to be familiar with each other...the same exact quotes nuri said to kato is the same thing sebastian said to kenichi..."do you feel the presense of god"and"what shape would god take".to me,that is to much of a coincidence...sebastian might be an alien or even a gantzman himself...one who needs no ball to make things occur.seeing sebastian do what he did to the old lady/car/plane...makes me wonder if the tokyo ball was hand picking certain people to become gantzers....

yea i just recently found tht relation
Sebastian to me at least, looks alot like Gantz in many ways without the hair. Also what i noticed, when Sebastian disappeared it was exactly the same way Gantz would transfer people(going from head down to the toes). Am I right?

kusomaru
May 22, 2011, 04:12 AM
You're right. What's more is Gantz left his sphere before we met Sebastian and we didn't see him again until after Sebastian transferred away.

ownage404
June 14, 2011, 02:09 PM
Alot of the answers could be related to the fat german girl. As said, she spewed the numbers and formulas to create the gantz technology, so the technology for Gantz aren't from the aliens but from ourselves.
We should all be very clear about the Human's signals. The aliens are able to identify the hunters because of the bomb planted in their heads. As for how Gantz can identify the whereabouts of these aliens, there isn't much concrete evidence for that but you could assume that their is some kind of super computer that watches every person/creature in the world (similar to Batman's computer where he watches over Gotham). It would be better to say though that each Gantz ball watches over each of it's own corresponding city(tokyo ball watches over tokyo, osaka ball watches over osaka etc)

Damura
June 14, 2011, 07:13 PM
^

It was implied that the Germans forced aliens to respond aggressively to Gantzers. Whatever was going on with them in Osaka is not happening with the giants. One of them is even willingly offering Kurono help now... Perhaps Gantz actually created the aliens. Who knows? They definitely have a way of tracking them. They show up on the radars...

The technology didn't come from humans. No way some fat retard developed everything, especially the Katastrophe timer. She's likely psychic, receiving information from somewhere else.

Byder
June 15, 2011, 04:04 PM
Maybe the fat chick was just a receiver for the code. Like some sort of radio tower.

ownage404
June 15, 2011, 07:10 PM
^ yes if you take what Sebastian said, the fat chick is simply just a receiver

Damura
June 15, 2011, 11:35 PM
^

Also, it's common sense. That kid just pulled complex schematics out of her ass. If you want to believe someone that can't even take care of herself figured out a way to develop this technology with zero knowledge of the German language, maths, engineering, anything, and then translated it into morse code or whatever, get the fuck out.|

The only explanation is she's a receiver. Or the old guy was just fucking around and she's just a regular human with a disorder.