This Week Golden 23 Goal 23,24,25 - Discussions and Predictions

[chaos_master]

A very entertaining chapter and I even more so considering I got the most of my prediction right. I was thinking Christiansen would get past Jito without the latter suffering from his injury, but I guess Taka doesn't want to undermine his ability too much. Wasn't too impressed with the naming of Chris' special cross, but it was an interesting one nevertheless ... and he got past Misugi to do it! After that Jito's injury was highlighted again and while it annoyed me to see this being the reason for Japan conceding, this is exactly what the Danish Duo were aiming for and I so love it when a good plan works. Moreover, in my mind Haas would have made a header even if Jito was healthy, but this injury allowed him to switch to the high-altitude volley he made. Didn't like how seemingly easy that got in against Wakashimazu, but I take it he was mentally prepared for a header and the quick switch to a volley caught him off-guard. Of course, this would have never went in against Wakabayashi ...

And last but not least, I loved the way Taka gave Haas' hair life :D

[abo3omar]

Now where the HELL is Soda :s

[chaos_master]

Arguing with the ref :D

[Shinji]

How can you be so sure that Wakabayashi wouldn't have taken that goal?
Espadas used a similar trick and Wakabayashi was just as surprised as Wakashimazu.

Soda is on the left, he's the left sideback. Why?

Anyway... Christiansen getting past Jito because of his injuries was to be expected. I was glad to see how Misugi reorganised the defense, and how he marked Christiansen to prevent him from shooting.
Then the Danish duo pulled of some nice moves.

[Invis]

I have the feeling Haas injured Jito again, before the panel where Jito couldn't jump >_>
He may have jumped on Jito's body or something...

Other than that, really nice and nifty combination of the Danish duo, Misugi and Wakashimazu were 'completely' caught off-guard by this reverse tricks, left instead of right, volley instead of a header.

And 7 pages depicting Haas's jump, volley shot and goal :D

[Shinji]

Nope, Haas did nothing to Jito. There was an sfx indicating that Jito's leg is hurting him, just like before.

[Invis]

Nope, Haas did nothing to Jito. There was an sfx indicating that Jito's leg is hurting him, just like before.

Ah, okay, Haas' and Christiansen's attack really did some serious damage then...

[Haruhi Suzumiya]

Good chapter, I like Chris Special Cross (But I still don't like him). The Jumping Volley by Haas at this range was unstoppable for every goalkeeper,it's not Wakashimazu's fault.

[Shinji]

Ah, okay, Haas' and Christiansen's attack really did some serious damage then...
Though apparently, it was mostly Christiansen landing on his leg that caused trouble to Jito... Looks like the 2 other hits did nothing to him at all.

[Bowser]

Soda is on the left, he's the left sideback. Why?

I always wondered that. I dont even know whether hes right footed or left footed, it seems he can use both!?!

[Stone2191]

wakashimazu couldnt stop it...:P

[Blabble]

wahaha wakashimazu is made of fail, actually I know everything what will happen already. But keep your eyes open.

[Shinji]

Indeed, you should be interested with next chapter, SantaBla.

[Blabble]

Kinda... Yeah...

[abo3omar]

Because of Izawa ha? :D

[Blabble]

Partly, because I wouldn't mind Takasugi as well.

[chaos_master]

I take it Izawa's entrance is more fanservice than anything else. Was actually surprised Jito left, considering he looked quite well after his initial confrontation with the Danish Duo. Still, I was hoping for substitutions in the Japanese team to see some older characters in action.

The thing that disappointed me is the very superficial explanation of how Wakashimazu let that goal in. Were it any other keeper, a simple 'he got fooled by the forward's feint' would suffice, but I've always had a high opinion of Wakashimazu's abilities and this goal seems just too easy ... he didn't even move! And the last time he did that was against the Tornado Shoot, which I believe to be times more powerful than Haas' volley.

Anyway, I can see Matsuyama, Nitta or one of the futsal-combi scoring the next goal for Japan. Most likely an assist from Misaki :)

[Shinji]

Wasn't Wakashimazu's thinking enough of an explanation? It's not a matter of power.
And at point blank range...

[Blabble]

I take it Izawa's entrance is more fanservice than anything else.
Well, if I remember correctly, he did a passcut in the match against Taipei, and it's also not the first time he's reconverted to a defender, for example, against Napoleon. Compared to Sorimachi becoming a defensive forward, that was more fanservice.

Actually, just go on reading, you'll find the biggest one yet. Which I won't spoil to ya.

[Super Master]

I don't care if it's fanservice or not...

The most important about this chapter is...IZAWA WITH 2 PAGES, HELL YEAH!!1!!!ONEONE!11!!SHIFT+ONE!1!!!11

Anyway...I'm looking foward to see more futsal combis =], and some karate moves from Nitta xD

[abo3omar]

I was hoping for Takasugi too.

[Shinji]

If something deserves to be called fanservice, it's Matsuyama being captain, a reminder of Jito's street fighting and the crowd of girls cheering for Misugi...

To me, Izawa getting in is more of a logical choice than fanservice, because in terms of defensive abilities, Izawa is clearly superior to anyone currently on the bench. We all should remember how better he did against Hamburg compared to Takasugi (who I believe is the next best choice in terms of defensive abilities).

The only bugging thing is Izawa's position, if he was indeed the best choice in terms of abilities, the centerback position is weird, so far even if Izawa showed some defensive abilities, it never was as a centerback. It needs some kind of explanation.

[abo3omar]

Hey Shinji, I just read the note.. It's better to be positive anyway, so I have 2 suggestions, one for you and one for..me & santabla I guess..For you, can you at least continue the quick summaries, or since you already did them in french can you provide an english version? That shall at least let us know what happened till now and it will cover the hold of scanlations. For us, I think it's time to fire up the corrections, if you Shinji agree to spend this time correcting.

[Shinji]

Nope, first, because my goal isn't to summarize the manga. Second, I will still work on the scanlation, but on chapters that are ahead of this point, since I have the translation for them, so I won't have the time to do anything else. I just won't release them.

Right now it's on hold only because I'm missing the translations for the next 9 chapters which is very frustrating.

[abo3omar]

Great to know what r u planning..Actually I was thinking about taking a break then reading a bunch of chapters..Looks like this is what will happen..after you finish the next 9 you will release what you will scanlate now, right? Good luck..Anyway it's good to have time to discuss the overall G23 now, and maybe compare with past stuff..And if I find time I may go on with the corrections. Thanx 4 everything boss.

[Super Master]

The only bugging thing is Izawa's position, if he was indeed the best choice in terms of abilities, the centerback position is weird, so far even if Izawa showed some defensive abilities, it never was as a centerback. It needs some kind of explanation.

Yeah, i'm agree with you, but since Izawa is a Defense Mid Fielder, it's no big deal changing position into Center Back, i think would be more strange if he was playing like a Side Back or a Center Foward, for example.

By the way, there's a lot players in real life who can play both in Defense Mid Fielder Position and Center Back...

Edit: Ah yeah... Matsuyama had to change positions in the Sub-15 Tournament... Just like Izawa, he started as a Ofensive Mid Fielder, but then he started to play as a Centre Back and finally, as a Defensive Mid Fielder, so, again, it's no big deal changing from DMF to CB

[Shinji]

Still, as the journalists said, there were better choices as defenders.

But I expressed my concern during Chapter 24. Chapter 25 gave a logical explanation as to why Kira choose Izawa, this way the defense can adapt itself to the opponent's attack, with Izawa switching from CB to DMF and DMF to CB.

[angel1980]

Hi guys,

I've been busy so I haven't been paying attention much to the forum. I noticed chapter 26 was on hold a while ago, and it still is. Can Shinji or someone explain again what is going on? When can we expect the normal release frequency again?

I'm in the process of moving out of the United States. So I'll be busy for a while but I do visit the forum every week to download the releases and glance at the discussions. Thanks Shinji for your dedication, and thanks all for sharing my love for CT.

[Shinji]

I've explained it in the note included in the last released chapter (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/readonline/57592/19), as well as in a comment in the latest release (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/details/57592), as well as in a new in my homepage on mangahelpers (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/news/915).
Guess I'll put it here as well:
I'm sorry to inform you that the scanlation will be on hold until I can find Japanese to English translators who are willing to help.

I don't know when or if it will happen at all.

If you want more details, it has been a while since I was asking for help in the credits pages, while I've had a few helpful submissions (especially from beowulf), none of them lasted. Translation is really the hard part and people easily gets discouraged.
As I've said a few post above, one frustrating thing is that I only lack the translation for a few chapters right now (I'm missing more, but they're waaaay, way ahead).
Since I have the translation for chapters 35 to 108, I'm working on them, but I can't release them as long as the previous ones aren't done.

Yes, I could do it myself, but as I've said it's a very discouraging job. My goal is to catch up, so I'm working on what I can do *quickly* right now. Better for me to scanlate a bunch of chapters a week than barely translate one chapter.

I was seriously hoping for other groups to start scanlating the new chapters of CT since raw-paradise was releasing the raws, or at least getting translators interested in working on them, but I guess that my 3 years effort into making CT popular just failed in the end.
Even the boards activity is decreasing like a Drive Shoot at the end of its course.

[abo3omar]

lol

Shinji, if you ever feel like stopping, please don't..even if I - at least - start to pay you for going on..I noticed the decreasing activity and maybe I was part of it..Maybe most of us start here at some free time and appear very excited then just get busy & go back to life while going on downloading & reading the releases in silent.

[angel1980]

Please don't end, Shinji. You've come so far and we've been following you almost all this time.

Even when I'm not posting on the forums, I'm still really excited and happy when new releases come out. I don't care if we catch up with the manga as it is released. As long as we have some new CT stuff to talk about from time to time, it's all good.

When I first saw Shinji's releases, I was already too old to get jumpy over a manga series again, especially one I've already read quite a bit of. But my interests and connections with CT were reborn here with you guys. And you guys have been sustaining these interests and connections ever since. On my own, I did start playing some old CT games again and downloaded some anime, but if Shinji stops and this forum dies, there goes my adventure with Tsubasa, too.

Maybe you can reach out to translators from other projects. It may not be easy as the most enthusiastic translators out there are working on manga series that are popular among younger demographics. CT is a bit old school.

I recommend trying this guy named Raiha that used to work on the Dragon Quest: Dai's Adventure series. They released frequently and they actually finished the project. As far as I can tell, all translations were from Japanese into English. In his parting words, Raiha expressed his wish to translate for more projects. Here is the contact info for Square Ocean (the scanlating group of DQ that Raiha worked for):

#square_ocean@irc.irchighway.net

and

Email: squareocean123@yahoo.com

p.s. I thought Shinji knew Japanese, English and French?

[abo3omar]

When I first saw Shinji's releases, I was already too old to get jumpy over a manga series again, especially one I've already read quite a bit of. My interest and connections with CT were reborn and sustained here with you guys. I did start playing some old CT games again and downloaded some anime


You got me too on that!

Shinji knows Japanese, but he explained how hard it is, specially that it is written in "Kanjis" now (if I get it right) which is much harder than the other type that CT and WY were written in.

[Shinji]

Please don't end, Shinji. You've come so far and we've been following you almost all this time.
As I've said, I'm not ending, since I'm working on chapters 35-109.


p.s. I thought Shinji knew Japanese, English and French?
I do, and as I've said in the previous post, I'm working on what I can do *quickly* right now. Better for me to scanlate a bunch of chapters a week than barely translate one chapter.
I'll try to contact the one you're talking about, though.

[Invis]

I wish you the best luck for finding a appropriate translator, Shinji.

Take your time in it, so you don't get a let down there.

Then the good thing will be, when you've found a translator, that a bunch of chapters after that will be mass released, right? Those, which you scanlated in the mean time.

The forum activity might drop, but I'll still look up this forum every day, when I find the time. When there's a discussion going I likely take part and sure there more and will be more.

If I knew Japanese well, I'd gladly help, especially for CT and yoz, but it isn't the case, obviously. :/

Anyway, I'll be waiting any time long.

[majed2000]

it is the same for me ,i check the forum about twic a day
to see if there is somthing new.

SHINJI: i am sure that the forum won't end like a drive shot ,the forum still alive and will end like the mircale drive shot and will score here and u will finish ur project.

i realy tried to learn Japanese to help u SHINJI ,and i got CDs for that but it wasn't that good after all.

thanx again SHINJI 4 all ur great effort.

[sita]

SHINJI: i am sure that the forum won't end like a drive shot ,the forum still alive and will end like the mircale drive shot and will score here and u will finish ur project.
.

That's right.
Although finding a translator is important now, but more important is that you have such good friends backing you up.Like Tsubasa who always leads the team to victory and his friends who always support him.

You will be victorious:vbunny

[tyug]

yep, a bunch of us just go here to download things =P But don't join in on the discussion, sometimes because someone already said what we wanted and sometimes we just don't have enough time, or forget about it... but it's a natural thing for me to go onto the download page like... once every 3 days (which is a lot compared to my allotted time now)..

[Parivir]

I don't really post, but I've been lurking in these forums and following the scanlation forever. Just wanted to let you know that you probably have more silent followers than you think and that we appreciate your job.

I don't think you should be discouraged from forum activity dropping either, since the translation is on hold atm, people probably don't know what to post or talk about.

[Silen]

the forum is going slowly maybe because there are many students in here
who are busy with exams or starting up of a new year at school
i hope it's not only because without scanlations there's less to talk about,
Captain Tsubasa world is huge and can give us a lot of hints for discussions

and if Takahashi went on hiatus, i do think Shinji too can hold for a while
just with the same Golden23 and this without causing catastrophes around :s

he needs a good japanese translator, and in my opinion it's totally useless to say
"hay, i'm sorry but i'm not" and keep asking when the next release will come up
instead we all can give him a real, consistent hand, as i already tried to suggest

for example there's still a bunch of previous chapters which need to be corrected,
so when his hard work will come to an end, this easy but annoying little job will be done too
and WE ALL will have our ultimate, one and only Captain Tsubasa scanlation complete

and instead of talking only into the Weekly Release Thread,
the main activity will be taken into the Corrections Thread
maybe re-reading old chapters may lead to new interesting discussions, who knows

please don't misunderstand me, i'm not blaming on anyone of you,
but i still think that anyone of us can contribute a bit in this release
at least keeping this nice forum alive for first ;)

[Stone2191]

ASk me here am having 4 exams next week, not to mention i have NETWORKING and CALCULUS2 on the same day :o:o:o:blink

[angel1980]

Keep it up Shinji. I know somewhere, you're working hard for all us. We'll wait as long as it takes. :)

[chaos_master]

Came back from vacation this week and going through a rough patch at work these days. Nevertheless, I try and log in here when I can and Shinji, don't let anyone put you down, you've done awesome work that no other man has even tried and for that you have my deepest thanks and admiration. Keep it up, once the chapters start coming out, I'm sure this place will be as lively as it used to be, if not more considering the build up of anticipation :)

[kurz]

@shinji
plz check ur inbox :)

[Shinji]

Just to let you know that I'm not slacking off, Goal 35 to 44 are ready and waiting...

[abo3omar]

:woo

[sita]

Hurrahhhhhhhhhhh!
Great!
So does it mean sooner or later we're gonna have a bunch of releases?
If it's the case I'm a bit worried about that, since facing several good things in a short period of time may lessen the pleasure they had if they came alone.
Anyway I can't wait to read them.
There may be some gaps during chapter releases, but these are nothing in comparison with the enjoyment we get from reading CT.
Thank you Shinji, that's really worthy of you.

[abo3omar]

NNNNope..We already had such an experience with the 100+ pages merged chapters in CT and WY..it was great. And, he's saying that he is going on with the other chapters, he still didn't do the 9 next chapters, so it's not that soon ^^

[tyug]

man, that's mean.... lol telling us that they're done yet we have to wait before we can read them!!! Thanks shinji for keeping up the work :P!

[abo3omar]

It's just to let us know that he's not turned off :p

[sita]

he's saying that he is going on with the other chapters, he still didn't do the 9 next chapters, so it's not that soon ^^

And I said sooner or LATER...
It's not important when it'll happen, but as he mentioned before he had already finished 10 chapters (35-44) and if he goes on like this it means that the more it takes to find a translator the more chapters will keep piling up for release.

Just wonder to know about other's intention:
Which one do you prefer?
1-Shinji finds a translator soon so the releases will go on like before.
2-Wait a bit more but on the other hand you'll have more chapters at once.

[abo3omar]

whatever :p

[chaos_master]

Personally, I would like to see Shinji finding a lasting translator and having a bit of the workload on him decreased, since I would really love to see this project catch up with the manga and then start following it, building up a bigger fanbase in the process :)

[Hikaru Matsuyama]

Same here. :)

[Silen]

i agree with the master of chaos too ^_^

[kurz]

hehe im doing a translator test by shinji..more harder than my final exam (jk :P)
hope after my final finish can help him

[abo3omar]

Yeah man..go go go
I'm goin on slowly with the corrections too if any creature noticed..I can use some thanx there > <

[kurz]

wah i not yet starting to help..so early click thanx..hahaha :worrybunny

[abo3omar]

LOL..thanx guys :D

[Silen]

you'll surely do a great job, kurz :cheerbunny

in the meanwhile can someone help a bit the poor abo3omar with corrections? :p

[abo3omar]

looks like no :p I may have more free time in the coming days..I just want your prays ^^

[sita]

Kurz: If you can pass your test with Shinji then you'll definitely become a savior stops our wait.:amuse

Shinji won't go easy on testing you for sure and that's how he can find a reliable translator, however, I hope you are THE ONE! :cheerbunny

Good Luck!.....Good Luck!...Good Luuuuuuuuck!;)

[kurz]

mmm im wondering..nothing to discuss anymore?
if we read back the manga im sure u'll have some doubts that can be discussed here..
hehe

[sita]

What a dreadful silence!

I guess every one come and check the forum to see whether if there is any good news, especially from you Shinji. We’re all waiting to hear from you that translating problem is over. I know it hasn’t been done yet but if you think there is even small promising news, I (and probably others) am willing to hear.

If you still don't wanna reveal anything, you can consider my post just as saying thanks for your efforts.:amuse

[Shinji]

I can only say that Goal 35 to 54 are ready.

[booga]

Hi, i just want to say thank you for all the hard work you do for us, shinji (and all the other people who helps). Please forgive my bad English, it's the first time I write a post in this forum, I just wanted to tell you that there are so many people that loves your scanlations, but due to many different causes don't say thanks for your efforts. I knew you since you wrote the french recapes of golden 23 on your website, but I do prefer scanlations in English, sorry :D
BTW, I would like to bring new life (at least i'd like to try :) ) in this discussion (until the cursed hole from 25 to 34 is filled): I don't know if you all have already discussed about this, but don't you think that futsal combi is a very tecnique version of Tachibana brothers?
It's true, they are very talented, but I see a role for them only as luxury bench players, because Japan has plenty of good midfielders(Matsuyama,Shingo Aoi, Misaki, Akai and let's not forget Misugi RMF -Beckham style, in Road to 2002-); so for certain matches they'll maybe come handy for their skills, but in a ideal formation I can't see them as starter players..what do you think, am I doing a mistake, or you agree with me?

[Shinji]

I felt like they were created just to fill in for Tsubasa and Aoi in the mid field while I'd have prefered Matsuyama and Misugi to go up as offensive mid fielders. But yeah, as soon as Tsubasa and Aoi are back, I think (and hope) they'll go warm the bench, or even better, go back to futsal.
I don't feel like they're similar to the Tachibanas despite their rivalry, though.

[Hikaru Matsuyama]

I've never liked them in the first place. In fact, I don't like seeing new Japanese characters, I mean players. For example, Because of Aoi Shingo, Misaki was hit by truck in World Youth, that's why I don't like Aoi. And same thing is happening now in Golden 23.
I'de be happier If we saw futsal skills from Tachibana Twins or from Mitsuru Sano.

If futsal is really popular in Japan, maybe Sensei wants more people turn their eyes's on the manga. Or maybe he is just trying to show the characteristics of futsal, just like he did for Lucha Libre (Mexico), Muay Thai & Sepak Takraw (Thailand) etc. before.

Well, either way I don't like Futsal Combi. :)

[Shinji]

I'm not sure Aoi was harmful to Misaki though, since he's still an offensive mid fielder even when Aoi is around and seeing how he was the hero of the world youth's finals and all...

[sita]

I don't feel like they're similar to the Tachibanas despite their rivalry, though.

I also agree with Shinji the Futsal combi is not like Tachibana twins, but my opinion is they can come in handy more in this match than Tachibana twins. Because Denmark‘s main characteristic in defense is their physic, being tall and have long limbs, then using Tachibana’s special technique (air soccer)sounds not so good while it’s better use your opponent’s weakness instead of fighting barley against their advantages.
Maybe short and fast passes , can be a better technique to get pass opponent’s defense wall .Futsal combi tried to do this however they couldn’t at first, (considering that this is their first match and did it only on time)but it doesn’t mean they’ll lose next time. Besides Misugi and Matsuyama are perfect midfielders but again in this match a clever defense from Japan is necessary to stop Denmark’s combi so if these two who take key role in managing the defense went up then who do you think can be good replacement for their role?

[abo3omar]

1 - I don't see them as arial / acrobatic / unusual stuff guys like the Tachibanas.

2 - I never found Aoi harmful to Misaki too..He's special, different, and fits greatly with him as Tsubasa's sides.

3 - I LIKE adds to the Japanese team, but not more & more & more no specialities mid fielders. Something like the characters of Kaltz and Diaz for example would be a cool add, or a trio..where I prefer to see the Trio return with something surprising some day. Anywayz what we really need is a forward to combine kicks with Hyuga, and I'm really wishing for Hino. Imagine a Raiju Tornado Twin Blast :D And more special defenders, where I miss Soda's super play..I feel he became useless untill we saw his new tackle, and then nothing. Akai is good because of that but not enough. We need someone to launch Misugi forward.

[booga]

I don't feel like they're similar to the Tachibanas despite their rivalry, though. The similarity is about the fact they're a technical combi as the Tachibanas indeed without their funny side and their mid-air ability. I'd rather prefer only one new player coming from futsal instead of two (there are already two combi in Japan team, plus Hyuga and Sawada, now in U19), maybe playing as second striker. I like very much Nitta, but I think that that position is very important and every big team must have at least two strong forwards. The perfect player in this position may be Ramon Victorino, and Nitta reminds him a lot, but without his ability to score and he has a lower speed, although he's quite quick (and altruist). However the presence of Tsubasa as offensive midfielder covers this lack, in my opinion, but another forward who can often score is very necessary (Taki and Kisugi are not reliable back-ups IMHO).

[abo3omar]

I can't see the Tachibanas as "technicals"..They're only what you said, funny + mid-air. I don't see the monkey keep a big deal.

[chaos_master]

booga's post through my eyes:

I like very much Nitta ... strong forwards. The perfect player in this position ...:D

[abo3omar]

:XD
I was waiting for you really lol

Although I like nitta very much too, but come on..he's 70% a loser till now :D

[chaos_master]

That's 30% of pure WIN! :amuse

[abo3omar]

Well..................YES IT IS :D

[Shinji]

I know everyone would like to see a Hyuga-Hino two top ever since the game on PS1 that was allowing that, but face it guys, Hyuga and Hino said that they just can't coexist in World Youth.
Plus, let's face it, if Nitta isn't scoring as many goals as he should, it's mostly because of the two monsters Hyuga and Tsubasa. I'm also pretty sure Nitta could have scored all the goals Aoi scored in World Youth...

As for Soda, it's not like he's useless, but Takahashi needs some defenders to "disappear", otherwise their opponent would never score and the game would be one-sided. One-sided games are boring.
It was hard enough for them to score with an injured Jito. If he's showing Soda shine on top of that, they wouldn't score at all. And if he's showing him just to lose, the character will suffer from it anyway. So he just isn't here. The only character not suffering from losing is Ishizaki, and he just can't use him every time.
I wouldn't like another super-defender because he'd just steal the job from the other old defenders. And even if I feel like Ishizaki shouldn't be here, seeing his ganmen techniques once in a while is good.

[chaos_master]

I know everyone would like to see a Hyuga-Hino two top ever since the game on PS1 that was allowing that, but face it guys, Hyuga and Hino said that they just can't coexist in World Youth.For one thing they are very similar in play-style and mentality and such a thing wouldn't be "interesting". Moreover, that makes it easier for opponents, since they can use the same defensive measures against both. Don't really agree on them not being able to coexist though, since Tsubasa and Hyuga were also fierce rivals, but went on to become a dream duo for Japan. If that is the case, it will be down to them trying to compete with each other and making the team suffer because of this, but a little team spirit should make them play together perfectly fine in my opinion.


Plus, let's face it, if Nitta isn't scoring as many goals as he should, it's mostly because of the two monsters Hyuga and Tsubasa. I'm also pretty sure Nitta could have scored all the goals Aoi scored in World Youth...
Amen to that! :)

[Shinji]

Tsubasa and Hyuga don't have the same position. Not really the same thing with 2 people wanting to be the absolute ace striker for their teams.

[sita]

:XD

Although I like nitta very much too, but come on..he's 70% a loser till now :D

You got me on that!

Presence of Nitta in Japan's team is more than Aoi but I think he still hasn't done any special thing, but without Aoi Japan could have been in trouble so many times...



Plus, let's face it, if Nitta isn't scoring as many goals as he should, it's mostly because of the two monsters Hyuga and Tsubasa. I'm also pretty sure Nitta could have scored all the goals Aoi scored in World Youth...

If there are monsters like Hyuga and Tsubasa, it's a same situation for all; Nitta and Aoi have the same chance for scoring while Aoi scores but Nitta doesn't.
I also wonder to know when Takahashi wants to show a super play from Nitta?!

[Shinji]

So far, Nitta didn't score because of bad luck (goal bar, goal post...) or because he's facing persistent resistance (Sweden, Brazil).
Nitta did perform a super play during the revenge match against the RJ7 though.
His assist in the 25th anniversary was also a super play, Aoi even got jealous because of Tsubasa's congratulations.

[booga]

As for Soda, it's not like he's useless, but Takahashi needs some defenders to "disappear", otherwise their opponent would never score and the game would be one-sided Yes, I agree with you, but I don't think it's totally correct, because of the presence of great goalkeepers (not only Genzo,every important team has one). In fact, in order to make Wakabayashi (for istance) not save a goal, it is often needed a super play, or an injury. Maybe this trick can be used for defenders too: I'd be very glad if there were more star defenders. Not including the japanese backs, the only very superstars in that position are Salvatore Gentile and above all Mark Owairan (one of my favourite in this manga:D); I'm not including Bunnaku from Thai Youth because his only qualities are physical strength and bad manners :) while I can't understand wether Kaltz do is a defender or not.
Let's hope in Yuji Soga..
BTW, I'm a great fan of Nitta too, maybe if he had born in another country, he would have been the star of the national team. Damn you Tsubasa (and Wakabayashi, and Hyuga, and Misaki, and Mastuyama, and Misugi..:P)

[Shinji]

Well, Denmark scored thanks to an injury of Jito, and super play from Christiansen to get past Misugi. So it's already used for defenders.

Kaltz is a Volante, which means a defensive mid fielder/deep-lying playmaker. Like Matsuyama, Grandios...

I think we've seen many star defenders outside of Japan: Robson (plocking Pierre's shot), Brolin (can block Raiju shots), Gonzales (blocked a destructive twin shoot), Fonseca (Snake mark), Almieja (double tackle), Thoram (special Raiju block), Blueno (can mark Rivaul)...

Yuji Soga seems like a jumper/header specialist. While he certainly beats Jito in this area, I'd still prefer to keep Jito and see him win the jumping/header duels, not by jumping higher, but with his power defense just like he did against Haas.

[sita]

I think most of us used to prior Japan's players and don't have such good feeling about joining new members...futsal combi, Soga, even sometimes Aoi(some of you think of him as harmful one:amuse)seem not to be welcome.

I don't like new members either, but when it comes to creating engrossing matches without repetition, what can poor Takahashi do except inserting new characters?!:huh
Let's hope newcomers become attractive enough...

[Shinji]

What can he do? Well, make the old characters do what the new ones are doing.

[Haruhi Suzumiya]

I think it's normal to see new players: a national team doesn't have the same players over and over :D .

[abo3omar]

I was goin to say that too, but still, we like to see them in positions that lack them..not more and more similiar midfielders.

Shinji, what PS1 game is it? is there a video on YouTube or something if they have combi play? I remember it was possible in CT J on SNES.

[Shinji]

National teams in real life change, but it's CT here. Not to mention it's still the same generation here, while national teams doesn't have such age restriction so it's normal to see a next age of players coming in. But the manga is talking about a golden age and the members of the golden age are changing from arc to arc. It was hard enough for all the members of the japanese golden age to appear in international competitions, and we keep on having more? It's nice when the team has nobodies, like all the other countries, but Japan is already overcrowded.

Combi play? As if having Hyuga with the Raiju shoot and Hino with the Tornado shoot on the same team wasn't already super-powerful as it is. No, they don't have combi play. There are two games on the PS1, it's not the CTJ one, but the other.

[abo3omar]

Well, for me, I won't regret putting Ishizaki on the bench and let him appear from time to time, on the other hand I want to see Takasugi, but anyway I wasn't hoping for something like Akai, which is very similiar to Soda who we already like and has some specialities that we do want to see in action and affective. A main defender is still needed, even if it was Jito like it is now. I'm happy with Jito's upgrade. But the defense relying on Misugi and Matsuyama who deserve the midfield and may even do something as forwards, that's something I don't like.

[booga]

I totally agree with abo3omar. I think that Ishizaki should develop more offensive capacities to remain in the starting eleven(since world youth I remember only one beautiful centering: to Matsuyama vs Taipei, World Youth qualifying round 1). However he's pretty tenacious, and his special "face save" proves it. But he has always some problem against talented wingers, just remember how easy Chumei Oh from China Youth was able to dribble him in many different ways. I'm pretty confident that playing with pros in J-League, like other golden age players, can help him to become a better defender.

[Shinji]

I don't think that Akai and Soda are so similar. Sure, Soda was impressive when he was marking Tsubasa the first time, but mostly because he was playing boldly and violently. Injuring the opponent has its limits, and we saw that as soon as in the match against France jr. Youth: by marking Napoleon too boldly and violently, he had to leave early in the match.
Akai, on the other hand, is really a marking specialist. It does look like he's a bit violent when Aoi is blown away by him, but then he's clearly shown as someone relying on his adaptive marking technique rather than fouling the opponent when he's beaten like Soda. he even injured himself with the Aggressive Chokkaku Feint+Ganmen Block, while Soda would probably have tackled Levin from behind >_>

I think Soda's true abilities aren't his defensive ones (although they can prove useful if he isn't too much carried away) but in his overlaps and kamisori attacks (a variety of shots, passes and centerings). Which is logical since he's a side/wing back, and not a center back. not really something Akai has.

[abo3omar]

fouling the opponent when he's beaten like Soda

when did this happen?

So as you said it, they do have similiarities, but they're not twins or so. Anyway I agree with booga about Ishizaki too..But still, defense is where we will be happy to see a new super player at. We have 64356804 mid fielders and 1 striker lol

[Shinji]

when did this happen?
Everytime he had to mark someone?

[Bowser]

It is about time defenders get space for improvement though (aka Jito), I mean it's quite focused on the attackers if you get my gist - though Japan is an attacking team", they do have a rather impressive defence in Jito and Matsuyama, Misugi etc. Their full backs arent as impressive, but they do have a brilliant mentality to their game.

[abo3omar]

aka means also known as ^^

Shinji, put France aside, give me an example or 2 if possible.

[Shinji]

Well, by putting france aside, you're putting away half of the examples, it's not like we saw him mark someone in every match.
But well... Chapter 60, p.28-29, Tsubasa is feinting, Soda is beaten, Soda fouls Tsubasa, Tackling him from behind.
Starting on p.31-32, Tsubasa gets free, Soda then injures Tsubasa (looks like he's blocking cleanly, but we learn afterwards that Tsubasa is hurt after this, and Soda -how strange- perfectly knows it)
On p.42, Nakanishi says Soda is invariably aiming for the leg.
In Hollanda Youth, p.7-8, Soda is nicely tackling... Hyuga's leg.
In World Youth, chapter 11 p.09-10, even if Soda fails, he's *clearly* aiming for Hino's leg.

[abo3omar]

For me, the last example is what I needed..thanx

[chaos_master]

We have 64356804 mid fielders and 1 striker lol:mad Angry fanboy is angry :D

[abo3omar]

:XD

1 and a half :p

[sita]

As Shinji explained well it seems Akai is better than Soda in sportsmanlike marking .Mind you, even Soda’s boldly defense can be helpful in some cases; especially in this match against Denmark:tem

If I were coach Kira, I would assign Soda to mark either Hass or Christiansen; I guess he can teach them some good lessons:p. You know the only one who can avenge them for what they did to Jito is he.

What I feel like saying is, SOMETIMES some people don’t become aware of their bad behavior unless they’re treated like themselves.:darn
BTW, better that I’m not coach Kira. :amuse

[Dmitri]

WHY TRANSLATE IS STOPPED????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[abo3omar]

GOOD MORNING :D

Shinji is still "scanlating" but he needs a translator to help him with the currently 9 chapters on hold. If he finishes everything and still no one helped him, he will go back to them, but each one may take weeks from him to finish it, that's why he jumped and is doing the rest, but he won't release the already done ones till the on hold chapters are done.

[Shinji]

sita: Just like Misaki said "We musn't take revenge by using the same rough play". Anyway, if Soda was used this way, in that case, you'd have 3 problems:
1°) You don't get to use Soda's offense (right, he didn't use them anyway in this match, I'll give you that much)
2°) You have a hole on the side (Haas and Christiansen are in the center)
3°) You might end up playing at 10.

I wonder though, in the olympics, if Japan is going to face Germany, if Soda is gonna foul that german winger we saw in the prelude. Or if Ishizaki is gonna be the weak point of the defense again... Or if Misugi is going to confront him given his experience as a side mf in FC Tokyo.

Dmtri: I've explained it here (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/readonline/57592/19), as well as here (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/details/57592), and here (http://mangahelpers.com/s/shinji/news/915).

[sita]

Yeah, you’re completely right. The problems we way face in that case is more than its advantage.:(
But still I’m gonna die of angriness to see how disgusting a player can be:mad.How someone can aim for hurting people only for being winner of the match.

[Tsubasa Ozora]

I Love You Shinji.thanks a lot for your translate
Overseas Battle Stage - IN CALCIO – THE END
and we still for japanese translator to help you
Captain Tsubasa Overseas Battle Stage with resume in Spring, 2010
The series will restart with Tsubasa's story in Spain

[abo3omar]

Thanx 4 the info ^^ What's the source? and welcome on board ^^

[Shinji]

Well, it's probably not from here, but my website and my board are pretty much giving the same information.

Captain Tsubasa Kaigai Gekito Hen in Calcio: Hi idzuru kuni no Giocatore has ended.
There's currently a survey for japanese people who can win Captain Tsubasa t-shirts, they must answe 3 questions:
-Who they'd like to see except Tsubasa in goodies.
-If they're practicing sports, and at which level.
-And what kind of project they'd like to see for the 30th anniversary of Captain Tsubasa.
As for the manga, it will be back next spring with la Liga.

CT will be back in the Young Jump next spring for its 30th anniversary.

[abo3omar]

Hmmm..Is anyone really interested in "just" new matches for a full team where we know only Tsubasa (all the others are somehow new and not eventually from the favourites..almost) against new teams? Or will it be another vs Real which must be another win (de ja vu) ? I would rather see the olympics, at least co-existing with La Liga.

[Shinji]

Well, it's going to be Barca-Real in Santiago Bernabeu. The end of Road to 2002 already said it was coming, and after all the Liga isn't won with just one match.

It's true that I'm not really exited since we already had quite a long similar match... And I'm quite confident that Barca will win, no surprise here. Not because of Tsubasa, but because Tsubasa plays along with Rivaul, who is going to be the last opponent of the olympics. The leader of the U-22 Brazilian team just can't lose this one.

However, I'm still curious as to how the fully-recovered Rivaul will fare compared to Tsubasa. I'd like to see him do more than Tsuabsa if he's going to be the last opponent of Japan. I'm also wondering what Takahashi will find for R Madrid and Natureza to put on a decent match, after all when Rivaul was playing at 100%, they were completely helpless...
Lastly, I grew quite fond of Grandios. So I'm actually glad to see one of his match and hope he'll also be in the U-22 spanish team, and face Japan.

Last but not least, after the match between Hyuga and Aoi in serie C1... Well, let's just say that El clasico and players like Tsubasa and Natureza is just more... Promising. Super-play-wise.

[abo3omar]

Oooh..that was a boost..thanx alot ^^

[Tsubasa Ozora]

You can see all chapter of Captain Tsubasa Kaigai Gekito Hen in Calcio here (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fa&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmonogusa-giornale.seesaa.net%2Fcategory%2F744787-1.html&sl=ja&tl=en)
however i think that the story around Tsubasa in Spanish League better than Hyuga in second Italia's League

[Featherwolf]

I can't wait until the new chapters are released ^^! I'm really excited about getting to read about the game between Nigeria and Japan! *weeh Danish myself xD Haas and Christiansen are acting like true danish men xD!*

[Shinji]

Say, since there's not much to discuss, would you like some spoiler pics of already scanlated future chapters?
In a spoiler tag, so you won't "have" to look at them if you don't want to...

[Featherwolf]

Say, since there's not much to discuss, would you like some spoiler pics of already scanlated future chapters?
In a spoiler tag, so you won't "have" to look at them if you don't want to...

Oh yes yes surely =D!! Or well I would love to see it :D

[abo3omar]

I personally won't prefer, since I WILL look at them > < but I won't mind if others want :p

[Shinji]

Well, I'll wait and see if other people are interested.

[majed2000]

of course i am interested n that ,realy CT was almost the only thing that i enjoy for while ,i realy.....reallllllyyyyy mising CT right now........thanx alot SHINJI for all ur efforts again .

i want to aske about kurz did he pass his exames to translate CT?....or ....can't even say it ,i hope he will get A++++++++++++

[angel1980]

I'm also interested in the spoiler pix! Thanks, Shinji.

[sita]

Sounds like a good idea!
BTW you may put this resting forum in motion again, and those who are not interested may wait until.... you know; only God knows how long it takes to find a translator :huh

[Shinji]

The topic is already here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55804) ;)