One Piece 561 Discussion

[_AceOfSpades_]

*sigh* I'll let you guys in on why Sengoku is cutting the broadcast:

Originally, the war was designed to be a straight-out execution of a future threat to the law-abiding world the marines love so, so much. However, out of nowhere came this rookie, a li'l kid among brutal, bloodthirst bastard beings worth 200 million beli plus along with the millions of saintly pirates we all know about, a cute little rubber boy, who at first everyone thought of as an entertaining sideshow relative to the executed party -- until he smashed a captain giant (look at the clothing the giant's wearing...he wears it like an admiral but no he's no giant admiral or the world round would be doing the Chopper faces) while declaring love for his flesh and blood.

The tide of public opinion turned, especially in light of the many pirates who suddenly allied together, killers and people who made Arlong their bitch puppets, lords of the deserts and giant-headed transvestites, all coming together under the banner of the rubber boy saving his brother, a direct lieutenant of the world's strongest pirate. The world was enraptured with his journey. They....they wanted this boy to save his brother, wanted to see at least a neutral, yet happy, ending.

Sengoku, the so-called strategist, therefore realizes that breaking the rules and having both parties killed in cold blood, which comes from rulebroken executions (looks like pirates aren't the only ones who break the rules eh?) and killing a boy who, *sniff* only wanted to save his brother...*sniffles*....you guys get it? It's nothing to do with the pacifistas or anything of that nature -- it's the ideology of the world realizing that pirates may not be all that bad, and that the government is willing to break rules and go that extra mile to 'see justice'. Hmm.

Granted, but that presumes that Sengoku's decision to turn off the broadcast was a spontaneous one. However, judging from the events and Sengoku's reaction - it's more likely that his request was planned and is related to those marine ships that were about to arrive at the bay (with pacifista in them). So what happened before the PX came was not a threat, you can conclude that from Sengoku saying "the tragedy that is ABOUT to occur is too much". Anyhow, we can't be sure, so yours is just as right...
The reason might be also that the Marines are showing a sign of weakness, since they are forced to use such underhanded tactics. The marines are too weak to handle the situation in a more appropriate way ~ That's why they want to execute Ace before the announced time, that's why they are relying on some cyborgs ~ something along those lines might be the cause why the public might lose their faith/trust in the WG ... That's the predictable part of it ... I wonder whether there is also something else going on...

[ArchitectOFate]

I think he turned off the broadcast because he's about to execute ace, and as he is executing him ahead of schedule, not only does that seem very piratelike but its also almost like saying that "we couldn't handle WB, so we will kill ace and try to get him to leave" kind of deal. Sengoku doesn't want the world watching wat, could be considered a loss.
Just my thought :)

[Bugzee]

Sengoku's an arse and his goat!!! lol

Im just itching to see what Garp's gonna do??!?! He cant just sit there!

Sengoku feels invincible right now with all those PX's, hope he gets whats coming to him - a can of whoop assing by WB, Luffy, BB or someone else!!!

[sarutobi_sensei]

*sigh* I'll let you guys in on why Sengoku is cutting the broadcast:

Originally, the war was designed to be a straight-out execution of a future threat to the law-abiding world the marines love so, so much. However, out of nowhere came this rookie, a li'l kid among brutal, bloodthirst bastard beings worth 200 million beli plus along with the millions of saintly pirates we all know about, a cute little rubber boy, who at first everyone thought of as an entertaining sideshow relative to the executed party -- until he smashed a captain giant (look at the clothing the giant's wearing...he wears it like an admiral but no he's no giant admiral or the world round would be doing the Chopper faces) while declaring love for his flesh and blood.

The tide of public opinion turned, especially in light of the many pirates who suddenly allied together, killers and people who made Arlong their bitch puppets, lords of the deserts and giant-headed transvestites, all coming together under the banner of the rubber boy saving his brother, a direct lieutenant of the world's strongest pirate. The world was enraptured with his journey. They....they wanted this boy to save his brother, wanted to see at least a neutral, yet happy, ending.

Sengoku, the so-called strategist, therefore realizes that breaking the rules and having both parties killed in cold blood, which comes from rulebroken executions (looks like pirates aren't the only ones who break the rules eh?) and killing a boy who, *sniff* only wanted to save his brother...*sniffles*....you guys get it? It's nothing to do with the pacifistas or anything of that nature -- it's the ideology of the world realizing that pirates may not be all that bad, and that the government is willing to break rules and go that extra mile to 'see justice'. Hmm.

Good read, I lol'd xD

My 2cents on the turning off of the broadcast:

1 - They're worried of the publics opinion on whatever they're about to do.
2 - They don't want the world to find out about the Pacifista program for 2 reasons: the atrocity of doing tests on Human subjects to turn them into weapons and therefor don't lose some of their allied countries.
3 - They're cutting the broadcast because the Pacifista are going to attack everyone on the bay, destroying anything and everything that stands in their way, Pirates and Marines included
4 - They don't want the same thing that happened 22 years ago during Roger's execution to happen again, they want to end this Pirate Era without any more coming backs.
5 - They don't want to look bad for loosing x)

Now I'm positive that an outside source is going to enter the fight, not to directly involve themselves in the "party" but by allowing it to be known to the world x) And who's better then the Revolutionary Army to do so?

And probably this is going to be crushed because of that WB captain that went missing, maybe he's going to do the same thing Sanji did back in the Ennies Lobby incident (Opening the Gates and stuff) but in this case, redirect the Den-Den-Mushi's signal to an outside source to be redirected to the world x) That or he's a traitor :x

My prediction for next chapter is as follows:
Starts off with the Marines saying: they're going to use the Pacifistas to attack on the bay? But we're still here!
WB comments that that's a low trick on the Marines part
Someone says to Sengoku that there are still too many marines on the bay and that the Shichibukai are still there
Sengoku says that those that are still there have the fault and the Shichibukais can fend themselves or something like now's the time to get rid of them
And "accidentally" the mic is turned on and the Marines and Shichibukais learn that they're going to attack all the 3 parties on the field.
We begin to see the WB commanders and NW captains to attack the Pacifistas
Sentomaru makes his move and begins chasing after Luffy
Luffy keeps running towards the execution platform
Ace shows his face and is still crying -.-
Without the Marines knowledge the broadcast is still happening
The world reacts to that.


And that's probably enough for a chapter right? xD

[maaghms]

I think he turned off the broadcast because he's about to execute ace, and as he is executing him ahead of schedule, not only does that seem very piratelike but its also almost like saying that "we couldn't handle WB, so we will kill ace and try to get him to leave" kind of deal. Sengoku doesn't want the world watching wat, could be considered a loss.
Just my thought :)


Well, I'm not really sure that Whitebeard is the type of person who will leave the battlefield quietly after his 'son' has been killed. In fact, it will most probably make him the angriest man in the world and he will unleash his Ultimate Quake Power + Haki = 'ability to destroy the whole world' as pointed out by Sengoku. Whitebeard running away? Not happening. May be if it was the opposite where WG puts up the white flag and releases Ace, Whitebeard might be willing to forgive them. Even then, it's a very small chance.

[gold349]

If the PX get owned as easily as everyone seems to anticipate, then yeah... I might think just that. Unless someone prepared a strategy beforehand the PX should be rather tough.
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Yes, aside from PX probably going amok on the battlefield and being a not-so-ethical project ... I too wonder whether it's all there's to it. We'll see...

I have a feeling they won't be entirely like they was at shabondy, from DonFlamingo talking about PX0 completion...to complete 'human weapon', I think that the PXs could have also got finished few days ago like him with other abilities than they have already shown and they will not be easy to battle at all.

Anyway if Vegpunk can replicate kizaru DF laser ability the PXs could also have kuma paw paw DF abilities and others maybe too...I imagine them being strong what ever the case maybe and I don't think they will attack indiscriminately but if they get short circuit again then its possible for them to attack friend and foe.

[Yans86]

If what I think is going to happen,there will be a lot of blood.thousands people will die.... MIND MY WORDS!!!

SenGoku:cut the link....we cannot afford to loose peole trust....the tragedy that is going to occur it will be too much for naive people to understand...there is no need for them to know.....

This words just screams ABSOLUTE JUSTICE.The same absolute justice that WIPED OUT Ohara!!!!This is going to become a PACIFISTA BUSTER CALL.
Guys,u gotta look better the panels here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/15/ (bottom right and middle left)
U can notice that there is kinda like a circle of Kuma all around the bay.There are not 10 Kuma's,there are at least 100 it not even more!!!!!

If I understood SenGoku plan,he want to kill all the pirates in the bay,shichibukai included.IMO the marines were fighting just to hold the pirate in the bay.Now something like a countdown will be shown and they will start to retreat before 100 laser will shoot to the center of the bay destroying everything.
All the marines that won't be able to retreat will die with the pirates.
That's the tragedy that Sengoku won't show to the world.And at the end of this,he will "notify" the world...

The absolute justice is necessary in SenGoku eyes right now,killing captains/commodore ecc....won't be a problem...every pacifista is stronger then any captain,and probably only VA can fight them 1 VS 1...

I don't know how they will go out from such a situation,but BB is the only one that can save the day....in the end he is supposed to shock the WORLD with something HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEEE!!!!!O don' know how hewill do it,but next 3-4 chapters will be beyond epic!!!!

[Black Lagoon]

I'll lmao if the WG turned off the broadcast to beg WB for pardon/mercy or somehow to do the same as they've done with Roger (award themselves with the merit of something they haven't done), I know that things are different now, nevertheless I wanted to say something different. :)

[enlightened monkey]

One thing's for sure: Luffy's bounty is gonna be at LEAST 310 million beli after this. Mark my words.

[Bugzee]

I dont think Vegapunk would be able to completely replicate the real Kuma's paw paw fruit! Yea maybe the air pressure type attacks and stuff but defintely not the ability where he can send someone instantly somewhere else! imo

I really hope the WG get humuliated! Im counting on whoever opened the gates of justice to re-activate the den den visuals!!!

[Black Lagoon]

One thing's for sure: Luffy's bounty is gonna be at LEAST 310 million beli after this. Mark my words.

WHAT?? :err only that :o


I dont think Vegapunk would be able to completely replicate the real Kuma's paw paw fruit! Yea maybe the air pressure type attacks and stuff but defintely not the ability where he can send someone instantly somewhere else! imo

I really hope the WG get humuliated! Im counting on whoever opened the gates of justice to re-activate the den den visuals!!!

yeah, even if vegapunk is the greatest genius in One Piece world, there is no way we'll have two different people with the same DF. IMO

[Katz]

After this battle Luffy is gonna have his own category in terms of bounties, he's left the other supernovas in the dust, I thinking maybe 400mil in terms of his bounty after this little incident.

[Yans86]

I dont think Vegapunk would be able to completely replicate the real Kuma's paw paw fruit! Yea maybe the air pressure type attacks and stuff but defintely not the ability where he can send someone instantly somewhere else! imo
!

Or remove pain.....



yeah, even if vegapunk is the greatest genius in One Piece world, there is no way we'll have two different people with the same DF. IMO

Totally agre with u.
To add something more,I don't remember the PX moving/kicking at the speed of light,use light swords,ecc......From what I see Vegapunk can replicate few aspects of a DF...

[goldb]

Yeah so far we've only seen the laser aspect of Kizaru's DF being used by the Pacifistas. It's unclear if that the extent of the replication Dr.Vegapunk has done to them. It's safe to say even without further abilities, they are tough opponents, there will be a lot of casualties on the pirates sides. If anything only the higher tier of pirates will survive the PX assault, remember the difficulty in which the Supernovae pirates and their crews each faced fighting them.

[Gats]

Yeah so far we've only seen the laser aspect of Kizaru's DF being used by the Pacifistas. It's unclear if that the extent of the replication Dr.Vegapunk has done to them. It's safe to say even without further abilities, they are tough opponents, there will be a lot of casualties on the pirates sides. If anything only the higher tier of pirates will survive the PX assault, remember the difficulty in which the Supernovae pirates and their crews each faced fighting them.

I saw Pacifistas hands when they were fighting Luffy's crew, they are different from Kuma's hand, they don't have the mark of the pad or paw paw fruit. We can assume that they don't have the devil fruit abilities...yet ?

edit : and they didn't repel anything for their defense.

[goldb]

yeah they shoot lasers from their hands and mouth( so does the original Kuma) which was replicated from Kizaru's DF by Vegapunk, but the question is, is that all they have from Kizaru's DF? so far we haven't seen them make lightsabers or travelling at the speed of light.

[Bugzee]

I wouldnt like all those PX's to replicate all the major attributes of a devil fruit e.g. Kizaru's and Kuma's. It would kind of be repitative, if vegapunk can manipulate certain df powers and make them more stronger/effective/efficient then thats alright i guess.

I kinda feel sorry for Luffy u no, WB has his crew and all those NW pirates as well. Luffy's by himself :crying But when the SH crew do get reunited they'll kick ass :dance

[Lee-tyme7]

WHAT?? :err only that :o



yeah, even if vegapunk is the greatest genius in One Piece world, there is no way we'll have two different people with the same DF. IMO


If I recall what about those demon guards in ID they have the "Awaken" devil's fruit ability. They didn't explain much or say if they're a defferent type of awaken fruit but I would asume it's the same kind. Maybe Vega Punk found a way to manufacture it. lol!
Oh yeah, it seem he also duplicate Kizaru light beam into Kuma and the Px's.

[chess4]

so far we have only seen 4 members of the jolly rogers pirates. if they were going to show this would be the perfect time to do so. im sure their are a few more of them alive.

[SenninSage]

so far we have only seen 4 members of the jolly rogers pirates. if they were going to show this would be the perfect time to do so. im sure their are a few more of them alive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Garp was once a member of the Roger Pirates. Or, to be more precise, that he was once a Pirate in his earliest years, and was allied with Gold Roger, even if not necessarily as a member of the Roger Pirates.

[Gats]

I wouldn't be surprised if Garp was once a member of the Roger Pirates. Or, to be more precise, that he was once a Pirate in his earliest years, and was allied with Gold Roger, even if not necessarily as a member of the Roger Pirates.


No

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/05/

or for a very short time.

[chess4]

i don think garp was ever a pirate. garp and rogers relationship was that of enimies that respected each other greatly after the numerous battles. rogers knew that garp would protect his child because he knew what kind of man he was. also im sure rogers and his pirates found out something about the will of d and thats another reason rogers trusted garp to tell him that.

it could be possible dadan is a former rogers pirate, but i doubt it. im sure some of the old rogers pirates will show up again. they just have too.

[llmcduff]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/05/
Garp looked like such a badass when he was younger. More than anything - such as who will show up - I'm waiting for what Garp will do and can do. We've seen that he's super-strong but not much else. I'm sure he's a lot more than that. He's torn between family and loyalty to the WG right now. What will he use to justify his action - whatever it will be.

Also, I've not read anyone speculating, but I hope they will show what Sengoku can do - being fleet admiral and all.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Anyway if Vegpunk can replicate kizaru DF laser ability the PXs could also have kuma paw paw DF abilities and others maybe too...I imagine them being strong what ever the case maybe and I don't think they will attack indiscriminately but if they get short circuit again then its possible for them to attack friend and foe.
That would be bad that everyone can get a DF's ability. I think that Vegapunk understood how light could turn into laser by studying Kizaru and that he found a way to duplicate it by technology. After all, we already know how to make lasers.

The PXs changed the tide of the battle. Some people must come to give it back to the pirates. About Dragon, that is still too early. As I already said, I think that Kuma told Rayleigh (that Ace was Roger'son and) that the WG may use the PXs to beat WB and co. That is why Kuma said " Even I have doubts in this matter " : he was not sure they would use it knowing it would be broadcasted. And since Shabondy archipelago, Rayleigh went to rally the ex-Jolly-Roger pirates to help them. I just hope that.

[zozo96]

What a situation! How can they save ace now? I cannot see the light. It's dark, it's awful, it's no hope. I sense despair is in the air. There is no way for the pirates to save ace. Just to escape the battlefield alone seems very difficult for them.

Can this arc have a happy ending like the other arcs? For me, it seems impossible. Anybody with some ideas that can make my gloomy heart shine again?

[Gats]

What a situation! How can they save ace now? I cannot see the light. It's dark, it's awful, it's no hope. I sense despair is in the air. There is no way for the pirates to save ace. Just to escape the battlefield alone seems very difficult for them.

Can this arc have a happy ending like the other arcs? For me, it seems impossible. Anybody with some ideas that can make my gloomy heart shine again?

The impossible doesn't exist in One Piece world. It should be enough for you.

[Poneglyph420]

There have been parts in most of the past few arcs where it seemed like all hope was lost. (In Enies Lobby) It sure seemed like Lucci had Luffy beat and that the Buster Call would clean up the mess...but they found a way out.
In Thriller Bark most of the team lost their shadows and was fading into the sunrise....but they found a way out.

Sure the war just got more messy, but not hopeless.
Luffy has the ability to generate miracles, so don't lose hope.
Not for Ace and Luffy at least...

This war will inflict losses on both sides, but nothing unusual as far as One Piece or Lufy is concerned....

[Lord Rayleigh]

What a situation! How can they save ace now? I cannot see the light. It's dark, it's awful, it's no hope. I sense despair is in the air. There is no way for the pirates to save ace. Just to escape the battlefield alone seems very difficult for them.

Can this arc have a happy ending like the other arcs? For me, it seems impossible. Anybody with some ideas that can make my gloomy heart shine again?
Just read the post above yours.

[M.D.Ace]

i believe that the real formidability of the marine's operation is not in the number of kuma bots they brought out. i believe that the amount is infinate. basicaly i think there are countless px's so every time a px goes down, they are able 2 re-stock immediately making the number of px soldiers infinate which in effect makes the world government's side highly formidable; pretty impossible to beat an opponent who has infinate life

[Saint Markus]

i think by now i can trust Oda with any scenario he brings to One Piece, everything right now will work itself out.

p.s., i hope someone in japan is cool enough to upload a scanlation of "Vol. 0".

[kaowrunagisa]

Why is he an asshole (Don Flamigo)? Its not because of his words is because his acts. I think that he had never been defeated and thats why he is so arrogant. About the phrase of the justice is in the hands who won is the same statement that the winner is who write the history. Why crocodile? Because hes the only one who can face that guys powers, and is just like making a step closer to his objective WB.

And I think Kuma´s explanation is because hes one of the closest friend of Dragon. Simply as that.

See LOL I was right, Croc will fight Don Flamingo because hes the one of the fews that can kill Flamingo. Period.:p:p:p

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Its simple, Shanks or the other Yonkou or the three of them will come to the battle, and if the thing gets worst guess what? Dragon will appear and serious will kick some ass. And nobody listened to me when I said that croc is the one that is going to battle Flamingo. I was right, I was right... And take that....

[M.D.Ace]

Its simple, Shanks or the other Yonkou or the three of them will come to the battle, and if the thing gets worst guess what? Dragon will appear and serious will kick some ass. And nobody listened to me when I said that croc is the one that is going to battle Flamingo. I was right, I was right... And take that....

watt. i was the first one to say croco was gonna fight flamingo. i had a go at someone for trying 2 repeat wat i sed i try claim it as their own idea..was probably you. >:( :mad

[kaowrunagisa]

watt. i was the first one to say croco was gonna fight flamingo. i had a go at someone for trying 2 repeat wat i sed i try claim it as their own idea..was probably you. >:( :mad

Jajaja, let me laugh very loud and clear. Look what Im talking about

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Why is he an asshole (Don Flamigo)? Its not because of his words is because his acts. I think that he had never been defeated and thats why he is so arrogant. About the phrase of the justice is in the hands who won is the same statement that the winner is who write the history. Why crocodile? Because hes the only one who can face that guys powers, and is just like making a step closer to his objective WB.
well,if he had never been defeated before where is the problem ?it's fine to be arrogant when you never beaten before, you just said it.He isn't any weakling and his words+acts prove that.about dofla being bastard from his acts as you said i don't see anything like this.it's a war he cut a leg of his ENEMY and then he took controf of another ENEMY.

No,croc isn't the only one who can face him, there are lot of guys there.but give me a good reason why he will fight against him,this making a step closer to wb isn't a serious reason.dofla will not make any move to stop him from reaching wb, so i don't get your point.

See, this message is going to sh4dx and another dude that cant resists try to make the people bad. Take thaaaaaaaaat....

Ah, I wrote about croc on sept 3 11 42 am, and if you dont believe, here check the link and you will see my comments.

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1548025#post1548025:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Let me see the date of your comment.

[M.D.Ace]

i posted my prediction earlier than that.. sorry. i was literaly the first person to write it. like literaly when jimbei and croc were freed. the only thing is that nobody blasted me about my idea like they did you

[Black Lagoon]

Its simple, Shanks or the other Yonkou or the three of them will come to the battle, and if the thing gets worst guess what? Dragon will appear and serious will kick some ass. And nobody listened to me when I said that croc is the one that is going to battle Flamingo. I was right, I was right... And take that....

Yeah, don't forgot the Jolly Roger pirates (Rayleigh and co), so they kill each other and end of story -_-; (:p)

[kaowrunagisa]

i posted my prediction earlier than that.. sorry. i was literaly the first person to write it. like literaly when jimbei and croc were freed. the only thing is that nobody blasted me about my idea like they did you

Ok, I believe you, but I didnt read your comment, I only entered this forum, registered myself and let my imagination go through, and this as""""oles started to put those thins.
[hr]

Yeah, don't forgot the Jolly Roger pirates (Rayleigh and co), so they kill each other and end of story -_-; (:p)

Nop, the fight will continue until Ace´s will freed, and Im very sure that minimum Shanks will appear and we will see a taste of his real powers...

[Black Lagoon]

Nop, the fight will continue until Ace´s will freed, and Im very sure that minimum Shanks will appear and we will see a taste of his real powers...

In order to have another 500 chapters, I'd like to see only Rayleigh and BB entering the battlefield.

[kaowrunagisa]

In order to have another 500 chapters, I'd like to see only Rayleigh and BB entering the battlefield.

When the thing I said will happened I will personally remind you....;)

[chess4]

In order to have another 500 chapters, I'd like to see only Rayleigh and BB entering the battlefield.

i agree. the yonkou and dragon will wait until they reach the new world. all the pirates being shown in this fight are just getting introduction so we will be familar with them when we see them again. the shichibukai and the big shots in the WG will also be involved in the 2nd half of the manga, so that why we havent seen them go all out yet.

[Black Lagoon]

When the thing I said will happened I will personally remind you....;)

Ok then :D

now there is a wall of pacifista, Admirals, Vice Admirals, Sengoku, Goat and Garp in front of Luffy, just on his way to ace. ... .I'm sure Whitebread will move at least an inch in the next chapter, and things will get tough for both WG&WB, both will show their first aces.

[zozo96]

Just read the post above yours.

Which one is it?

Anyway, I hate Sengoku more now. What an asshole! He is a big old coward cunning arrogant manipulator. Worst of all, he is alive! I have no idea how a man like that can have a control over men like Garp, Smoker and Aokiji. I don't give a shit about Akainu and Kizaru! If there were a defect in OP so far, it would have been Sengoku! Man, this man disgusts me! Please, Oda, kill him!

[Lord Rayleigh]

Which one is it?
That one (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1639146&postcount=524). It was just before you asked for what could change the tide back.

[Lee-tyme7]

There have been parts in most of the past few arcs where it seemed like all hope was lost. (In Enies Lobby) It sure seemed like Lucci had Luffy beat and that the Buster Call would clean up the mess...but they found a way out.
In Thriller Bark most of the team lost their shadows and was fading into the sunrise....but they found a way out.

Sure the war just got more messy, but not hopeless.
Luffy has the ability to generate miracles, so don't lose hope.
Not for Ace and Luffy at least...

This war will inflict losses on both sides, but nothing unusual as far as One Piece or Lufy is concerned....


The one situation for me that seem nearly impossible to get out of for the Strawhats was Thriller Bark. After the sun came up and if Moria hadn't let their shadow go right that second that would of been it for them. I think it has to be Moria's command so that the shadow can return to it's owner, right?

[zozo96]

That one (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1639146&postcount=524). It was just before you asked for what could change the tide back.

Ah, I see your point. Thanks. It will be great if Rayleigh arrives with a bunch of his old friends.

[Black Lagoon]

I guess the fifth division commander Floral Blade Vista (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page012.html) is the Zoro of WB, since Mihawk knows him very well.

[Diablos]

i agree. the yonkou and dragon will wait until they reach the new world. all the pirates being shown in this fight are just getting introduction so we will be familar with them when we see them again. the shichibukai and the big shots in the WG will also be involved in the 2nd half of the manga, so that why we havent seen them go all out yet.

Agree with that, and besides its not as Shanks will be in top shape or in condition to come to this war, lets not forget he was/is fighting another Yonkou... I highly doubt he will apear for that matter.. he is doing already a big help avoiding the other yonkou going against WB

[Bugzee]

^ Yea i agree, the real plans (both Sengoku's and WB's) will take shape next chapter! I feel WB is still reserving something until the right time appears!

Plus, im really concerned now about that Squardo guy, i really wanna see what his up 2!! LOL Buggy will find himself between WB and WG more and more each chapterlol

[Black Lagoon]

i agree. the yonkou and dragon will wait until they reach the new world. all the pirates being shown in this fight are just getting introduction so we will be familar with them when we see them again. the shichibukai and the big shots in the WG will also be involved in the 2nd half of the manga, so that why we havent seen them go all out yet.

sorry i forgot to reply ^^;
and yes, Shanks, Kaidou, Dragon and other big names ... hmmm ... we'll get info about them by the den den mushi. x)

[Bugzee]

^^

I hope we get a little itty peek in whats going on with Shanks whether his confronting Kaidou or not!! It would just add to this sweeettt arc :XD !!!




PS: Someone in this manga please slap Sentoumaru for me lol

[k-dom]

It was said that vegapunk copyed Kizaru laser not kizaru devil fruit. So Ibelieve too that the PX have no devil fruit powers otherwise the would be able to dematerialise and we know they can't.
About the plan, I wonder if they will be used like kamikaze bombs. With everybody in the same tiny place that could be dangourous.

[beastboy]

I'm foreseeing a T_T chapter..
or a O_O chapter

T_T->312 ep

O_O->477 ep!!

[Bugzee]

I'm foreseeing a T_T chapter..
or a O_O chapter

T_T->312 ep

O_O->477 ep!!

Total ownage lol by either WG or the Pirates in the case of the PX's??!! lol

You maybe right, but i think Luffy, WB, Marco and a few others will pull something off. Also hope that Mr.3 gets invovled as well with his DF ability lol. But, if BB was present right he could own all by engulfing everything into darkness!!! :D

[Zoro-kun]

hey, i dunno if some1 has brought this up earlier, but anyone else but me seen the pandaman in this chapter? http://http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/15/

buttom left panel. suukeeee??

he's accualy here too http://http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/14/

buttom first panel, hidden in the middle of the crowd :P

[beastboy]

I think that everybody will be in a death end and then something at going merrys appearance lvl appears and saves the day...

BTW.. don't you think Robin would be the best person to win this war...
200 fleur, catapulta...
Marco catch..
And Ace is in the moby dick..

[Katz]

Hmm the arrival of the PX army seemingly is the best time for an un-expected arrival on the pirates side of the field, I'm thinking possibly Dragon or maybe even the 4th unknown Yonkou, but I think my main money is on Rayleih and maybe Gol D.'s old crew.

[beastboy]

I've my 5€ on Ace & WB will live, everything but that I don't bet 1 cent.. but I like the idea of reyleagh coming with all the jolly roger pirates, and show us a glimpse of what luffy is going to be (when he gets old ahaha)

[Bugzee]

^Rayliegh or Dragon most likely :spaz, i cant see whole of the Jolly Roger crew present (dont get me wrong that would AWESOME:XD) but i just dont feel that its coming!

But seriously, if there are more PX's present then shown in the last chapter. I do feel that the Luffy, WB & the rest of the pirates do need a bit more support!!!

[Katz]

^While rayleigh would be a nice addition to the side of "good",seeing as at even an old age he can seemingly stand toe to toe with a much younger admiral, but against the number of PX's shown surrounding them, he's gonna need to bring a crew with him.

[hdiuy]

I'm still hoping that WB would have some of his nakama(like his first mate and so one) of the old days with him, i don't believe that all of them have died. And hoping that they would appear in this war . Maybe they died of a natural death or get killed by other pirates. Cause if they got killed by the Marines i doubt that WB would let it just go(especially for the more well known ones)

[Dim]

i cant see how he could in the time-
it is evident that all the strawhats are going to see luffy from the big tvs and come to the seen... whether they have all sourced with there viver cards or wateva and found rayleigh first and then the war has begun is the question...

id like the war to finish ace is saved and then the mugiawara to come with there new coated ship... but yeh we will see to many possibilities and scenarios

[Poneglyph420]

I would love for someone like Rayleigh to crash the war.. but I think it's unlikely under the circumstances. Unless Rayleigh is to be the escape strategy for the remaining forces. I think WB and his crew can still get to Ace and get him out. With the PX brigade they will lose their tactical advantage and will prob. lose a bunch more guys too.. But they can still make it without more external support.

I mean he does have to get ALL of the SH back together on their now coated ship..
But that will more likely be the aftermath than a plot twist..
We still have more to see of the other SH for sure, the cover stories can't be all..

[Quetzal]

Garp is gonna help, and then totally die

[Ex-Shadow]

Maybe the time has come for Luffy to unleash his haki? I'd be totally awesome

[chitgoks]

what i want is sentomaru defeated. he's a cocky brat hiding behind the power of PXs. marco can beat him

[Katz]

Luffy has a score to settle with sentomaru, he'll go 3rd gear and destroy fattie and move on to save his brother.

[Dim]

i think its obvious marco can beat sentomaru...
sentomaru has prob been hit in the head to many times thats why hes a bit wierd...

i wonder if you can use haki on things like gyborgs??? no consciousness etc would be cool if they cant...

lol everyone is so hung up about haki its about time lol none of this slow build up crap we want a huge bang boom haki!!
[hr]
speaking of gear 3rd i havent seen luffy go to chibbi mode... maybe hes recovering quicker??? and he is usign a hell of a lot of geard 2nds... after this battle hes going to be like zoro after thriller bark!

[nerevarine]

I don't know how you get the Idea of the Jolly Roger Crew.... even Dragon coming is a bit farfetched....

I think it's rather possible that the red-hair pirates (shanks) arrive, after successfully holding off Kaidou.....

and I believe that Luffy will not unleash his king's disposition, until he sees the marines trying to execute Ace..... then the whole plaza while totally be silent.... (aaah, I can already imagine it ^^ how epic this would be)

[Poneglyph420]

I don't know how you get the Idea of the Jolly Roger Crew.... even Dragon coming is a bit farfetched....

I think it's rather possible that the red-hair pirates (shanks) arrive, after successfully holding off Kaidou.....

and I believe that Luffy will not unleash his king's disposition, until he sees the marines trying to execute Ace..... then the whole plaza while totally be silent.... (aaah, I can already imagine it ^^ how epic this would be)

I tend to agree about the probability of either Dragon or or Roger's crew showing up. I'm not even sure the members of Roger's crew know where each other are.

About Shanks... It's possible but to save Ace and WB?? or to save Luffy??
Seems fishy too...

[Ilyes84]

People keep asking for more and more character appearing on WB's side, while I personally think the Pacifista's appearance has just begun to even the odds. Perhaps Oda will grace us with an old-style, Iliad-like battle where fodder face fodder and the outcome is decided by the big shot's fight.
And I figure this is going to be a departure from the usual "good guys win the fight" rule.

[k-dom]

About the Luffy has become more mature discussion. Do you think that now, he would not be able to do such a thing as back then :-)
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000128552/14.jpg

[_AceOfSpades_]

I think it's rather possible that the red-hair pirates (shanks) arrive, after successfully holding off Kaidou.....


Not to forget, Kaidou is a Yonkou himself - so a worthy opponent. I'm somewhat worried about Shanks and his crew here. It would be just too dramatic if after saving Ace Luffy finds out that some sort of disaster has befallen Shanks and his people... I don't wanna see it happen, maybe it's not likely but we've gotta consider the worst possibility > <

[Jadedmariner]

Not to forget, Kaidou is a Yonkou himself - so a worthy opponent. I'm somewhat worried about Shanks and his crew here. It would be just too dramatic if after saving Ace Luffy finds out that some sort of disaster has befallen Shanks and his people... I don't wanna see it happen, maybe it's not likely but we've gotta consider the worst possibility > <

I don't think we will see anything of that nature. Shanks is too important to badly injure or kill off screen. Additionally, with the Strawhats still spread out the main job right now when this battle ends will be to get the crew back together.

[_AceOfSpades_]

I don't think we will see anything of that nature. Shanks is too important to badly injure or kill off screen. Additionally, with the Strawhats still spread out the main job right now when this battle ends will be to get the crew back together.

I don't think it myself, but seeing what happened to Moria's crew gives me a bad feeling > < But you're probably right, Shanks is too important to be killed off ...

[ArchitectOFate]

Just who i think will turn up to save the day :)

firstly we have Dragon, cuz i just can't see him missing this opportunity to piss off Sengoku.

Sencond we have Rayleigh, cuz at some point he must turn up, cuz all the strawhats are following him, so it would make sense for him to turn up, then the strawhats will all appear after all the fighting's been done.
I can also see how this will happen in the manga. first a 3 pannel page with in the first pannel us looking at the PX's, second us still looking at the PX's but a slight diagonal line has appeared in the middle of all of them, third they r all sliding to the ground.
In the next page you can see Thousand Sunny, but u can't make out any1 on it.
Last is a 2 page spread with Rayleigh and 15-20 people behind him with little boxes and their names and position's and at the top is a big box with "Former Roger Pirates" and Rayleigh's just standing there saying " Sengoku-san, u didn't really think we would miss out an all the fun did you?"

Last is Dorry and Broggy, just cuz i miss em, and we have seen so many old faces, why not, but how epic would it be for them to rock up on Sea Giants and be all like
"yo, hows ya going Strawhat"

anyways thays just my 2 cents

[beastboy]

^
OMFG if on of those gets true my eyes will shiiiiinnnee!!!
just like luffy's when he saw "A BEAAAMMM"...

But I would join to the event were Dragon shows.. Dragon shows up with Robin, Sanji & Vivi, + Alabasta army (imortal falcon, mortal chakal, Vivi's boyfriend and a new bunch of fooders..) + kamabakka kindom army (notice that the main revolotionary army can't come... they have more important things to do!!)

[_AceOfSpades_]

yeah, agreed about the dragon and rayleigh part ^^
But there is also another possibility as for who might arrive together with Rayleigh:
The slaves that were set free by Luffy and his friends - Giant-kun and co xDDDD I'm not sure how many of the slaves are of use, but a bunch of them might be able to fight, or not?

[Me2Ecchi]

Now is the time to BB shock the world... we know that someone opened the door for Luffy and company, my guess is someone from BB side. This same person will put on air the broadcast, and the people will see BB wiping out almost all the pirates and marines/px there. One single pirate able to wipe out so many. Perfect way to shock. And we cant forget, BB is coming from ID, so i guess the 3rd party to join the battle will be BB pirates and prisoners from lvl6.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Now is the time to BB shock the world... we know that someone opened the door for Luffy and company, my guess is someone from BB side. This same person will put on air the broadcast, and the people will see BB wiping out almost all the pirates and marines/px there. One single pirate able to wipe out so many. Perfect way to shock. And we cant forget, BB is coming from ID, so i guess the 3rd party to join the battle will be BB pirates and prisoners from lvl6.

Don't agree... My bet would be that BB's plan doesn't involve the current war. The war is more likely supposed to divert the public eye and the marines from something else, BB is plotting something in the shadows. I also wonder whether as for now BB's plan is to find more capable subordinates, that would explain his actions in impel down. But there might be also something more huge going on, but I don't want to take a guess since we have no clues as for now. I can only imagine that BB would join in the end of the war to take WB's head or sth, but not while everyone is still fighting.
EDIT:/ The part of BB taking advantage of the war by defeating everybody and broadcasting it to the public ain't half bad, but even in that case he would only appear at the end of the war. He'd be at advantage that way, since both parties would be drained and it would make things easier for him. Also, not to forget - The fact that the war between WB and WG started is more or less not planned, since the target was Luffy at first / or any pirate who would make BB a Shichibukai. So the key lies in the title "Shichibukai", the only idea I can arrive at is that BB planned to invade Impeldown from the beginning, his title would make it possible for him to get there via Tarai current. Sounds lame, but I have no clue aside from that... What would BB gain from the "Shichibukai" title...

[cachaco99]

i was thinking about kuma and why he decided to "join" the government and become a pasifista.

my thinking is that kuma work for or with dragon (common theory i know) but the best way to destroy something or an organization is from the inside. having someone on the inside to gather information is how a person can later cripple or completely destroy any enemy. right now kuma is a cyborg, it wouldnt be any trouble for the revolution to install a hidden camera into him so that he could record any secrets the government has and it'll allow the revolution to know exactly who or what the target is. as for kuma being "dead" its hard to believe that someone who hated the government would allow themselves to be totally controlled. if he were working for the revolution maybe someone could even bring kuma's conscience out again or maybe kuma is pulling off a robin (teen titans) were when robin pretended to be red x (sick by the way) and he fought the teen titans without them knowing redx was robin because if they did know then they would have held back. kuma seems to be smart and he might know that any suspicious actions could cause his shichibukai title to be stripped so he has to act as if he is the governments pawn and fight iva as if iva were not an old nakama.

chances are hancock's title will be taken away because smoker saw her help luffy. i do hope this happens as it would give hancock a reason to join the strawhats. but with hancock no longer a shichibukai the treaty she made for her islands protection would become void. but luffy being the bad a$$ he is, he'll pull a whitebeard declaring that no one can touch amazon lily because it is under his control :wtf

@me2ecchi

loved the broadcast idea. i was thinking if my kuma theory was right then maybe the revolution would use footage of the war to show the whole world what the marines are really like. but blackbeard doing it is also pretty sweet. and the level 6 prisoners are almost a must for this battle. they all have grudges against whitebeard and roger (the gold medalist) and it would explain why blackbeard went to impel down. its a simple theory but i like it.

[Black Lagoon]

I can't imagine what could happen if two emperors were to team up....:shifty
[hr]

i was thinking about kuma and why he decided to "join" the government and become a pasifista.

my thinking is that kuma work for or with dragon (common theory i know) but the best way to destroy something or an organization is from the inside. having someone on the inside to gather information is how a person can later cripple or completely destroy any enemy. right now kuma is a cyborg, it wouldnt be any trouble for the revolution to install a hidden camera into him so that he could record any secrets the government has and it'll allow the revolution to know exactly who or what the target is. as for kuma being "dead" its hard to believe that someone who hated the government would allow themselves to be totally controlled. if he were working for the revolution maybe someone could even bring kuma's conscience out again or maybe kuma is pulling off a robin (teen titans) were when robin pretended to be red x (sick by the way) and he fought the teen titans without them knowing redx was robin because if they did know then they would have held back. kuma seems to be smart and he might know that any suspicious actions could cause his shichibukai title to be stripped so he has to act as if he is the governments pawn and fight iva as if iva were not an old nakama.

well, good theory but I don't think Vegapunk wouldn't notice such a thing, although as I have said many times, I hope that Kuma has a backup button hidden somewhere.

[cachaco99]

I can't imagine what could happen if two emperors were to team up....:shifty
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well, good theory but I don't think Vegapunk wouldn't notice such a thing, although as I have said many times, I hope that Kuma has a backup button hidden somewhere.

true i guess but the revolution would be smart enough to account for that.

but i wonder who would "win"

the revolution successfully implanting a hidden camera or vegapunk for discovering it (just theories)

[Bugzee]

I cant see Dragon ignoring this war, whether or not he actually enters at Marines HQ is another thing. But im defintely sure that he is up to something to f*ck the marines maybe in another region. I still hope he does enter this war tho!!!! It would be sweeeet!!!!

I wonder whether lol Sentomaru is just gonna hold his ground while the PX army intervenes with the pirates!?

[Black Lagoon]

true i guess but the revolution would be smart enough to account for that.

but i wonder who would "win"

the revolution successfully implanting a hidden camera or vegapunk for discovering it (just theories)

I guess Vegapunk (he's the genius), and the revolutionaries could just copy his database, so no need for camera IMO :)

[cachaco99]

I guess Vegapunk (he's the genius), and the revolutionaries could just copy his database, so no need for camera IMO :)

thats true - i didnt think of that

[MrHim]

1. i think sentomaru can use haki... and can par with marco... he is the vegapunk head bodyguard... so he must be so strong...

2. the reason doflamingo wants crocodile to join him not because he cannot take jozu alone, i think its more about him + crocodile + jozu to fight whitebeard...

3. maybe kuma n ivankov have blood relative, look at their hair... thats why iva so pissed when kuma attacked her...

[Black Lagoon]

Judging form this chapter, Zoro is no where near Mihawk's level.

and this Picture is awesome (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page005.html), Luffy is so fast and I liked Mihawk's posture x)

[goldb]

Judging form this chapter, Zoro is no where near Mihawk's level.

and this Picture is awesome (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page005.html), Luffy is so fast and I liked Mihawk's posture x)

yeah the difference in level was further confirmed in this chapter I feel. Mihawk's sword slashes are far more powerful and he seems to be able to perform them with great ease( ch 561, pages 1-5 & 9)

[OunknownO]

Mugiwaras have much to learn before they can take on the big fishes

[zerocooldx]

Judging form this chapter, Zoro is no where near Mihawk's level.

and this Picture is awesome (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page005.html), Luffy is so fast and I liked Mihawk's posture x)

The guy effortless cut a frozen Tsunami in half and the falling piece was the size of a glacier, nuff' said.

[Black Lagoon]

I wouldn't be surprised if next chapter Mihawk says that he couldn't stop/fight/kill Luffy since he was unarmed, you know ... it would make sense, because Mihawk said that he wouldn't fight Shanks due to him losing an arm.

[Zehahaha]

yeah the difference in level was further confirmed in this chapter I feel. Mihawk's sword slashes are far more powerful and he seems to be able to perform them with great ease( ch 561, pages 1-5 & 9)

Don't forget too that his sword is better than Zoro's, since it seems that the quality of a sword has some effects in a attack (When Zoro used his slashes the first time with Shuusui, it was bigger that the slashes he was doing with Yubashiri ), but it's clear that the difference in level is great between these two

[cachaco99]

1. i think sentomaru can use haki... and can par with marco... he is the vegapunk head bodyguard... so he must be so strong...

2. the reason doflamingo wants crocodile to join him not because he cannot take jozu alone, i think its more about him + crocodile + jozu to fight whitebeard...

3. maybe kuma n ivankov have blood relative, look at their hair... thats why iva so pissed when kuma attacked her...

believe it or not i always thought 2 things when i looked at kuma.

1-sanji would fight him - no real reason backing that up

2-kuma and dragon are brothers. reason being same skin color but that is a theory not worth taking serious

[Black Lagoon]

I wouldn't be surprised if Buggy takes the credit of WB's death with the cameras off xD, damn clown :fan
(well, if somehow WB dies :noworry)

[Bugzee]

The facial expression that Luffy makes when he sees the damage Mihawk did to that ice lol is classic imo. :XD

You know what ive been thinking about lately? lol - If Ace does get saved and BB arrives, Ace decides to go all out on BB without giving a damn about anybody else. One last battle against BB, Ace warning Luffy that its his fight and he wont let him interfere! And when Ace is on his last breathe against BB, Luffy releases his much-anticipated Kings Haki, BB instantly recognising the power exceeded his prediction/judgement. Well, it kinda came in my head the images and stuff about such a situation!

But, for now go Buggy!!!!!! :spaz

[Black Lagoon]

The facial expression that Luffy makes when he sees the damage Mihawk did to that ice lol is classic imo. :XD

You know what ive been thinking about lately? lol - If Ace does get saved and BB arrives, Ace decides to go all out on BB without giving a damn about anybody else. One last battle against BB, Ace warning Luffy that its his fight and he wont let him interfere! And when Ace is on his last breathe against BB, Luffy releases his much-anticipated Kings Haki, BB instantly recognising the power exceeded his prediction/judgement. Well, it kinda came in my head the images and stuff about such a situation!

But, for now go Buggy!!!!!! :spaz

Good point, everyone is talking about Blackbeard as the final villain, but as you said Blackbeard is for Ace, nevertheless Ace won't go after him from the moment he's been safe, but after meditating the situation and getting even more stronger.

[Bugzee]

Good point, everyone is talking about Blackbeard as the final villain, but as you said Blackbeard is for Ace, nevertheless Ace won't go after him from the moment he's been safe, but after meditating the situation and getting even more stronger.

Yea, i see what you mean. I mean that situation just came into my mind after reading these recent chapters over again plus the Impel down chapters as well!

I would love to see something like that occuring between BB and Ace, it would be very emotional and it would be exciting as well! But, i guess its too early for such a thing to arise. We got the PX army in the way lol.

I wanna see WB 's expression once his aware of BB's DF power!!! lol :XD

[_AceOfSpades_]

I wanna see WB 's expression once his aware of BB's DF power!!! lol :XD

His expression won't change much, mind ... since he didn't want Ace to go after him because he "had a bad feeling about this" and had an idea about the matter Shanks wanted to talk with him about I think that WB expected this much. I think he would be more like "Yappari ... this is going to be troublesome " or sth. WB doesn't seem to be fazed by anything, does he ^^'?

[Bugzee]

His expression won't change much, mind ... since he didn't want Ace to go after him because he "had a bad feeling about this" and had an idea about the matter Shanks wanted to talk with him about I think that WB expected this much. I think he would be more like "Yappari ... this is going to be troublesome " or sth. WB doesn't seem to be fazed by anything, does he ^^'?

Its not like i want him to be totally gobsmacked!!! I just have a feeling that it'll be an interesting scene! I hope BB and WB have a little convo in this war lol!

[Black Lagoon]

I wanna see WB 's expression once his aware of BB's DF power!!! lol :XD

I think he knows more than Ace do of why Blackbeard killed Thatch and the whole matter of that incident, what means he's aware of Blackbeard's DF powers, and he hasn't told Ace because he knows how Ace will react.

[_AceOfSpades_]

Its not like i want him to be totally gobsmacked!!! I just have a feeling that it'll be an interesting scene! I hope BB and WB have a little convo in this war lol!

True ^^ BB and WB clash would be certainly epic. Especially since we would see WB going all out, I doubt that he would go easy on BB after all that had been said and done... Blackbeard and Whitebeard fighting ... that would be destructive.
And yeah, WB seems to have a hunch about the DF and just how dangerous of a situation it has become ...

[Bugzee]

I guess he already knew about all that Thatch and BB fight. I wonder then whether WB has his own plan in regards to BB's intentions. Maybe WB wont die in this war, save ace and lol keep an eye or his priority in making sure BB does not suceed in his true intentions for the long term.

These are just assumptions/theories, dont take them too seriously tho! I personally think it would be a let down if WB does die in this war now, especially due to the recent developments in the story!

[_AceOfSpades_]

I don't wanna see WB die either... But the situation is rather unstable, we don't now how much of an opponent the Marines really are (with the PX joining the fight and all), also BB is out there with unknown intentions ... I am prepared for the worst, even regarding the Kaidou and Shanks thingy.
However, it would be a letdown for me to see an important person from the pirates' side die, so I hope WB and Ace make it out of the whole mess alive. Those two seem to be the main targets of the "this person will die" theories ~

[Black Lagoon]

These are just assumptions/theories, dont take them too seriously tho! I personally think it would be a let down if WB does die in this war now, especially due to the recent developments in the story!

if there are more than 10 PX (well, not 11 or 12 but more :p) then things would be a bit more problematic if Blackbeard appears, and then we can talk about WB's death in the battlefield I guess.

[Bugzee]

^
It'll be interesting to see what the NW pirates will do against the PX's (obviously fight them lol but the way in which they do it). Maybe WB will start giving orders next chapter in countering the PX army. I think it would be overkill if theres more then 10-12! But add BB to it and yes your right LOL it'll be problematic for the Luffy, WB & co!

[Black Lagoon]

every time I re-read the chapter I lmao with this hilarious situation (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page010.html), Gomu Gomu no Jet substitute & Gomu Gomu no substitute, and Buggy ... hmm ... is worthy of the clown title. XD

[Bugzee]

^ LOOOOL i know!!! That was hilarious! and Buggy with 'unforgivable' lol to Hawk Eyes!! :smile-big

I can only see Luffy & Buggy's relationship growing lol hehehe :XD

[Jayden_kropp]

Nobody has really come up with this prediction / theory soo im just going to throw it out their.

What if no-one wins the war? <thats pretty much the only way that the storey line could continue, right ?

What i want to see is ace getting rescued, and then whitebeard and seng both dieing. How epic would that be, the marines top person and the pirates top person DEAD ..... throw in interesting twist into the storey like who will now lead the WB PIRATES and who will now lead the WG in the fight against pirates!

[_AceOfSpades_]

Actually, any situation in which Ace doesn't die can be considered as the marines' loss - whether WB dies or not matters not, because Sengoku already explained that WB thought of making Ace the new leader - so basically - I think that in the situation that sengoku and wb die ace will become a yonkou and the marines will look for a new fleet admiral. However, the public will see it as the marines' loss, because WB's position will be simply transferred to Ace. My theory might be rather far-fetched, but as I see it this war is about Ace's life. Since there is no such thing as half-kill (aside from botamochi lol) this war won't end without a party winning. However, BB's involvement might complicate things...

[pirateninjahunter]

Who is going to take care of Sentoumaro??????????,

[Akaii]

Who is going to take care of Sentoumaro??????????,

who else...monkey d. luffy since he need to payback sentomaru for what he did in shabondy...even a few rushed punches will do since luffy need to save ace more than fight someone...

[Black Lagoon]

Actually, any situation in which Ace doesn't die can be considered as the marines' loss - whether WB dies or not matters not, because Sengoku already explained that WB thought of making Ace the new leader - so basically - I think that in the situation that sengoku and wb die ace will become a yonkou and the marines will look for a new fleet admiral. However, the public will see it as the marines' loss, because WB's position will be simply transferred to Ace. My theory might be rather far-fetched, but as I see it this war is about Ace's life. Since there is no such thing as half-kill (aside from botamochi lol) this war won't end without a party winning. However, BB's involvement might complicate things...

Absolutely, If Ace lives - the WG loses, even though he's the only survivor.
well, someone might say that WB's death is more valuable or all this plot was made to trap him.
both sides are fighting to - one to save Ace and the other one to kill Ace -, so if Ace lives, which side is the winner?? ..


who else...monkey d. luffy since he need to payback sentomaru for what he did in shabondy...even a few rushed punches will do since luffy need to save ace more than fight someone...

maybe, but I think this is neither the time nor the place for revenge or paying back debts

[DEATHBOTT]

does anyone think sengoku is gonna fight. he was an admiral so we know he can fight, high chance he is a logia type too. what would happen if there was a water logia type, they would own. i hope someone has that.

the marines have every thing they have at marineford so the way i see it is unless bb does something huge to make him the primary antangonist the marines cant loose, they have to come out the overall victors.

[Black Lagoon]

this is the first time (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html) that Oda shows us Luffy thinking before doing any attack (Gomu Gomu no ****) :kukuku

[ArchitectOFate]

this is the first time that Oda shows us Luffy thinking before doing any attack (Gomu Gomu no ****)

i don't think this is luffy thinking, this is his haki kicking it, he's reading Mihawks moves with his Haki, and seeing that his hands are about to be cut off

[Black Lagoon]

i don't think this is luffy thinking, this is his haki kicking it, he's reading Mihawks moves with his Haki, and seeing that his hands are about to be cut off

You mean Mantra? well, maybe he's using it unconsciously :)

[gesgift]

You mean Mantra? well, maybe he's using it unconsciously :)

Remember the fight with the Boa-sisters, they also could predict Luffy's moves, So uncounsiously he's using Haki and by that wayhe's forseeing the moves of his foe.

Sorry if this seems off-topic, if this is usage of Haki by Luffy, it will very easy to link Haki to battle experience here, seeing Luffy is growing every battle...

[ArchitectOFate]

You mean Mantra? well, maybe he's using it unconsciously

i think mantra is just the skypia peoples name for haki, i mean u've got both sentoumaru and boa hancock's sisters who can predict attacks/read their opponent's thoughts, whi9ch is why i think mantra = haki :)

[Yoker66666]

I think the broken arm will be censored in anime xD

[Black Lagoon]

Remember the fight with the Boa-sisters, they also could predict Luffy's moves, So uncounsiously he's using Haki and by that wayhe's forseeing the moves of his foe.


yes, I know but I still believe he's just thinking on what could happen if he uses the Gomu Gomu no *** to attack, it wasn't a big deal.
Just my opinion :)


i think mantra is just the skypia peoples name for haki, i mean u've got both sentoumaru and boa hancock's sisters who can predict attacks/read their opponent's thoughts, whi9ch is why i think mantra = haki :)

yeah, it could be since we don't have Oda's confirmation :D

[Bugzee]

Who is going to take care of Sentoumaro??????????,

Well i hope Luffy gets his own back for one thing! :D Secondly, i really want a Jozu confrontation with Sentoumaru! It would be sweet!


this is the first time (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html) that Oda shows us Luffy thinking before doing any attack (Gomu Gomu no ****) :kukuku

:XD Damn right! Our Luffy is growing!!! :smile-big Im swaying more to it being Mantra but im still not entirely sure. I think he just realised the outcome before he initiated his gatling gun/pistol or whatever he was about to use!


I think the broken arm will be censored in anime xD

LOL! You might be right! I cant wait too see these recent chapters in the Anime!

Buggy's plan is getting more exciting!!! :D

[Black Lagoon]

561 chapters of battle experience, plus common sense, is the explanation of Luffy's behavior here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html).
However, if it's Mantra ... then Ok x)

[Bugzee]

Mantra or not :headscratch, it was still evidence that Luffy's maturing in fights. :)

'I do not recall the face... of every insect I crush' lol that was such a sweet line :XD

[beastboy]

ahaha... mihawk and buggy are climbing like fisher tiger through my fav characters list !!
I'm dead for the spoilers..
I wanna know if Oda is going to do something umpredictible or continue like a turtle...
But I want something, at least, at the level of that punch to teh tenryuubito"

[_AceOfSpades_]

But I want something, at least, at the level of that punch to teh tenryuubito"

Yeah, like Luffy picking a fight with Sengoku haha that would be great...

[Black Lagoon]

'I do not recall the face... of every insect I crush' lol that was such a sweet line :XD

Yeah! the bada$$ version of Mihawk XD

Last chapter we were talking about a possible Croco&Dofla vs Diamond Jozu, but for now things seem to have been switched, although it won't last long...

[_AceOfSpades_]

Speaking of Flamingo ... I wonder whether Luffy will run into him. It would be a good opportunity to reveal Doflamingo's power. I wonder whether Luffy will be just as easy to manipulate as everyone else xDD

[beastboy]

For me there won't be match ups.. it will be a fucki*g rumble... where every enemy that stands is the targer!
But I'm hoping fo WB to quake the tower, so that Ace fall forward directly in the plaza, were lots of people could reach him!

[Black Lagoon]

Yeah, like Luffy picking a fight with Sengoku haha that would be great...

It would be great, and I can see that happens.
however, now we are talking about a bit matured Luffy, who only wanna save Ace, and I guess he left his intentions clear here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html) (first panel), that would be highly imprudent on his part IMO.

[Black Hawk]

561 chapters of battle experience, plus common sense, is the explanation of Luffy's behavior here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html).
However, if it's Mantra ... then Ok x)

U must only read the complete Page. ;)
The Question and answer on one site. Mihawk says it u look unusally calm.
A new Ruffy not only a rush on the frontline. Not only forward forward. The Way to the Mantra/Haki. To controll the Haki u must stay calm u must controll your power.

The Better Question are. Why Mihawk know, set Ruffy everytime goes straight forward. That listen more like, i see u fighting everytime.

[Zehahaha]

Last chapter we were talking about a possible Croco&Dofla vs Diamond Jozu, but for now things seem to have been switched, although it won't last long...

That would be lame, i'm glad that the Croco said " Get outta my sight stupid flamingo ", than teaming up with him lol

[Black Lagoon]

U must only read the complete Page. ;)
The Question and answer on one site. Mihawk says it u look unusally calm.
A new Ruffy not only a rush on the frontline. Not only forward forward. The Way to the Mantra/Haki. To controll the Haki u must stay calm u must controll your power.

The Better Question are. Why Mihawk know, set Ruffy everytime goes straight forward. That listen more like, i see u fighting everytime.

well, that's a way of seeing it, but I think he refers to this (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-052/page011.html), Luffy was always defying/challenging every strong guy, but now he's just avoiding opponent after another, because he only wanna get to Ace (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html).

[Black Hawk]

well, that's a way of seeing it, but I think he refers to this (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-052/page011.html), Luffy was always defying/challenging every strong guy, but now he's just avoiding opponent after another, because he only wanna get to Ace (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html).

That´s a good point. But a flashback to the beginning its to long. But Mihawk means, not the moment. For me listen his Words more like a long time.
I remember the scene on Thriller Bark. At the End, there was scene. I was seen green light in the shadow. Possible he mean that. More Place for a free Flashback.

But still your points your sight are great. Possible u right.

[angrynastypeople]

So is one piece 562 comming out this week?

[GoE]

I think WB is gonna crush all PX in one shot and then Sengoku goes WTF??!

[Black Lagoon]

That´s a good point. But a flashback to the beginning its to long. But Mihawk means, not the moment. For me listen his Words more like a long time.
I remember the scene on Thriller Bark. At the End, there was scene. I was seen green light in the shadow. Possible he mean that. More Place for a free Flashback.

But still your points your sight are great. Possible u right.
Thanks :)

Mihawk says (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html) he doesn't remember the face of every insect he crushes, which is not true or to not generalize, it doesn't include the SH, he wants Zoro to be his new opponent instead of Shanks, and the most important he believes in Luffy, not to become the Pirate King but near that level (In Mihawk's eyes) so even an old memory/flashback, he will consider it. :)

[Bugzee]

I would love to see even a glimpse of Mihawks history, it would be awesome!

I think Mihawks will ultimately have the same kinda respect for the SH's (mainly for Luffy & Zoro) as he does for (or what it seems) Red Hair Shanks!

I wonder what Buggy and Mr. 3 will make of all the PX's looool there faces will be classic!

[pirateninjahunter]

Is Hawkeyes ability a EYE EYE Devil Fruit? Or maybe a VISION VISION Devel fruit? Look at this page:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html


That´s a good point. But a flashback to the beginning its to long. But Mihawk means, not the moment. For me listen his Words more like a long time.
I remember the scene on Thriller Bark. At the End, there was scene. I was seen green light in the shadow. Possible he mean that. More Place for a free Flashback.

But still your points your sight are great. Possible u right.

You are talking about which green light?


I think WB is gonna crush all PX in one shot and then Sengoku goes WTF??!

I do believe that WB could take down 10 Pacifistas. But there are other strong people there, that he need to battle. Sengoku, admirals.

[Black Hawk]

Only by the Side.
For my own i like asia Films, no matter which genre. That was Ruffy and Mihawk are doing is like in the old and new historical fights. Everything goes quiet, the fighter close the Eyes. And the fight, is going on in the heads. That was i thinking when i looked, special by the Picture with Ruffy and Mihawk. :D

It´s more offtopic then good for a disussion. :P

@pirateninjahunter
You are talking about which green light?


At the end of the Thriller Bark. There was a picture, where one of teh SHB says.
In the Way of; "I was seen Green light, in the fog" The first and only green light i saw in OP. Only in the Anime :D, is Mihawks small ship. with that green light overall.
And at my sight i mean, Mihawk was still following teh SHB, sometimes. When he speak to Ruffy in this Chapter, from a unusally calm. That mean´s to me. He saw Ruffy fighting, not only one time, more like, different from typical way.

[Black Lagoon]

i actually feel bad for the marines, I mean ... how would they be able to take down all the Yonkou with just what they have, and what could happen if all the pirates (big fishes) decide to team up just to screw the WG. :pwned :guns
even 100 wouldn't be enough -_-;

[Bugzee]

lol The green light may possibly have a meaning to Mihawk's past. For Mihawk's to have a DF like Vision Vision Fruit or something to sharpern his vision well to me would be kinda dull. I think his just developed it through his years as a swordsmen (plus the type of haki he has as well) and more importantly his past experience in combat!!!

I feel the Marines have the upper hand at this precise moment in time!!!

[OunknownO]

We can't predict the next chapter, it's impossible....

[Bugzee]

We can't predict the next chapter, it's impossible....

:( But we can try :p:D!!!

But its true, so many ways that the PX army can get owned!!! lol

I cant wait for more Buggy!

[Black Lagoon]

Is Hawkeyes ability a EYE EYE Devil Fruit? Or maybe a VISION VISION Devel fruit? Look at this page:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page003.html


well ... maybe, but I think those panels are just instantaneous pictures of the battle, like every pic :p, but Luffy is moving so fast and Mihawk doesn't lose the eye contact, IMO those panels are moving in a high speed.
It may seems confusing, but I tried my best to make it understandable.:)

[Bugzee]

well ... maybe, but I think those panels are just instantaneous pictures of the battle, like every pic :p, but Luffy is moving so fast and Mihawk doesn't lose the eye contact, IMO those panels are moving in a high speed.
It may seems confusing, but I tried my best to make it understandable.:)

^ Agreed! I think those panels (when it comes out on Anime) will be fast action-like shots!

I really hope that we get to see Sengoku Vs Whitebeard. We havent seen anything and barely know about Sengoku, especially in his fighting abilities. I think this is a perfect time to show it!!!

LOL i wonder if Jozu can own a PX by simply body-slamming it!!! :D

[Black Lagoon]

^ Agreed! I think those panels (when it comes out on Anime) will be fast action-like shots!

I really hope that we get to see Sengoku Vs Whitebeard. We havent seen anything and barely know about Sengoku, especially in his fighting abilities. I think this is a perfect time to show it!!!

LOL i wonder if Jozu can own a PX by simply body-slamming it!!! :D

Sengoku, Whitebeard, Garp, "Marco", Doflamingo... there are so many. :noworry
Since the PX are already introduced, I guess we will see more of New World captains, it's time for them to collaborate ...

[Black Hawk]

But i dont like the Idea of the Vision Vision Fruit. Someone read Black Cat manga series?? Sven Vollfield was the name with the Visionäre Eye, from his dieing Friend.
In a few Manga u find this, with the Visionäry Eyes. I don´t like that.
Special by Sword fighters, will it be to easy. So it will be a special Haki for Eyes.
Zorro says, a swordfighter with a DF ability, is not realy a Swordfighter. That means Hawkeye, will never have a DF, or the fight with Zorro. Will never be

[Katz]

I wouldn't like Zoro's character if he got a DF, I think it'd take away from his "acheive it all by yourself" aura, he hasn't trained all those years just to eat a fruit and gain an un-fair ability against Hawkeye. speaking off swordsmen and DF's, has it ever been shown in the series, Milhawk in the water?

[Bugzee]

^ To think we've got more to look forward 2!!! Im thinking WB (or the Decalan brothers) will start directing the NW pirates into groups or something to counter the PX's. Im sure Marco and WB not getting invovled too much recently in regards to fights is due to WB's own plan im guessing...
[hr]

I wouldn't like Zoro's character if he got a DF, I think it'd take away from his "acheive it all by yourself" aura, he hasn't trained all those years just to eat a fruit and gain an un-fair ability against Hawkeye. speaking off swordsmen and DF's, has it ever been shown in the series, Milhawk in the water?

Only on his own boat, not actually in the water from what im aware of! So he might still be a DF user!

[Schabrak]

Oh my trying to make him a devil fruit user, eg Eagle-man... please stop it right here. Not everybody has to use a "body"cheat to be on par with the strongest, like Shanks crew. Just like for Zorro I see no need for him to eat one, to just get stronger.

For the next chapter I see Whitebeard using his powers again and some massive damage just everywhere. There are still many silver medalists on their ships behind the PXs who could fight against them.

[Black Lagoon]

he has the Sharingan not the Vision vision fruit -_-;
A swordsman doesn't need any DF power, he's using his swords, but Haki is necessary if one day he has to fight a Logia user.

[Dim]

i know its kind of throwing it out there but maybe he has a hawke type zoan fruit! an eye fruit would be lame, but would make sence considering he has ridiculous vision.

im still hoping he doenst have any DF

IMO MIHAWK and SHIRYUU shouldnt have DF abilities

[Katz]

Milhawk, a huge probably not, but Shiryuu, we really haven't seen much of what he can do, except he's really proficient with a blade, but apparantly he can stand almost on par with magellan, so he must be pretty damn strong with either a yet unknown DF or just pure sword skill.

[Black Lagoon]

I wanna see just one panel of the Gorousei xd, I want to see the face of those 5 geezers. :XD

[molecularpepsi]

predictions for 562:

-the px army will start shooting lasers randomly from the bay taking down pirates and marines alike.

-the admirals suddenly begin attacking from the other side and everyone else is caught in the middle with nowhere to escape or hide.

-one of the warlords almost gets caught by one of their attacks and shouts at them to be careful.

-Akainu or one of the other admirals replies by indicating that with the new PX army the WG no longer requires the services of the shichibukai

-in order to achieve complete justice some marines will be sacrificed in the process

-the warlords and smoker realize this and decide to cooperate with the pirates against this new threat.

-some of the new world pirates finally join the attack and take out a few PXs from behind

can't think of how the chapter will end but it will probably be a real shocker!

-i don't think BB will show up yet
-i don't think ace will be saved or executed yet
-i don't think mihawk will continue his fight with vista
-i don't think WB or sengoku will make their moves yet

too many possibilities!!

[Dim]

i think that is a realistic prediction... i cant see too many marines turning but i can see alot being sacrificsed. It would make sense why the government is turning off the broadcast! Unfortunatly maybe not this chapter but maybe next chapter i think there is a likely hood of an admiral stepping in front of luffy!

[Bugzee]

predictions for 562:

-the px army will start shooting lasers randomly from the bay taking down pirates and marines alike.

-the admirals suddenly begin attacking from the other side and everyone else is caught in the middle with nowhere to escape or hide.

-one of the warlords almost gets caught by one of their attacks and shouts at them to be careful.

-Akainu or one of the other admirals replies by indicating that with the new PX army the WG no longer requires the services of the shichibukai

-in order to achieve complete justice some marines will be sacrificed in the process

-the warlords and smoker realize this and decide to cooperate with the pirates against this new threat.

-some of the new world pirates finally join the attack and take out a few PXs from behind

can't think of how the chapter will end but it will probably be a real shocker!

-i don't think BB will show up yet
-i don't think ace will be saved or executed yet
-i don't think mihawk will continue his fight with vista
-i don't think WB or sengoku will make their moves yet

too many possibilities!!

I love those predictions!!!! I could see that happening! It would be quite an awesome moment! :D

But i totally agree, next weeks chapter will be a shocker! Especially the end!

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

whitebeard better start fighting because I can't take this any longer, having the epic people do nothing while giving buggy a lot of screen time :facepalm

[Katz]

OH cmon TDA don't be hating on buggy, atleast he's doing better than his first meeting with luffy >>

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

You have Whitbeard, Garp, Sengoku, Doflamingo, Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru but no we want to see Buggy. :p

[Bugzee]

LOL its true, i do wanna see more of the big guns! Buggy deserves his screen time lol :p

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

But he got screen time in Impel Down...

[Katz]

Well TDA cross your fingers and maybe buggy will get vaporized by one of the PX lasers...and speaking of Garp he is still such a huge wildcard right now, I doubt he can stand by and watch both his grandson's die, maybe Ace but with the arrival of luffy, I think its almost driven him to turning on the WG to save their lives.

[Black Lagoon]

But he got screen time in Impel Down...
As a coward and still a coward... but his plan may change things

[Bugzee]

To be honest i cant see Buggy ever serious 100%! Its just the way he is lol, its Buggy!! Cant wait when he re-unites with Shanks whether he wants to or not lol!

But seriously, next chapter i think we'll see WB make his move! well the first step of his plan anyway!

[Yoker66666]

561 chapters of battle experience, plus common sense, is the explanation of Luffy's behavior here (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html).
However, if it's Mantra ... then Ok x)

What is the bottom of the last image?

[Katz]

I think its part of the wave that milhawk cuts, it kinda looks like water to me.

[Yoker66666]

I think its part of the wave that milhawk cuts, it kinda looks like water to me.

Yeah ,
surprisingly, remains to be seen in anime

[Black Lagoon]

What is the bottom of the last image?

:err?? (what)


But seriously, next chapter i think we'll see WB make his move! well the first step of his plan anyway!

he'll not have other choice but to do something, I guess after meditating carefully the situation he knows what he gotta do.

[Dim]

i cant wait to be hoenst whitebeards mediocre strike on that giant vice admiral is more powerfull than luffys gear 3rd jet pistol LOL he is awseomeeeeeee
cant wait for him to put the smack down... but its fair enough let the numbers fight it out and then the big boys come out to play. There is no point in whitebeard tiring himself out against 100 pirates who are prob equivellant to sanji or soemthing when he has his own 100 crew of sanjis lol you know what i mean. the risk isnt worth it!

i still wonder how the 5th comander will do, id put him soemwhere between zoro and mihawk- so not top tere but definatly strong!!!

IVE BEEN THINKING I WONDER IF A PX HAS TO EAT? AND IF THEY CAN GAIN DF ABILITIES! THAT WOULD BE DEADLY!

im still hoping to see mihawk be able to cut JOZ- i like JOz but i want to see mihawk use haki or soemthing i mean buggy survived without a problem maybe hawkeyes wasnt using haki then
whitebeard is goign to rock the world soon, and hoepfully garp will join in!

[bittman]

What is the bottom of the last image?

Mihawk's arm? His clothes have a strange pattern...

Anyway, I doubt Whitebeard will move next chapter. He hasn't moved yet, what's some buckets of tin mean to him? That said, I wonder how many PX's there really are? Are we talking 10, 20, 50, 100? Who knows, but even Whitebeard wouldn't be able to take out 20 in an instant.

I still expect they're a distraction. None of the admirals are moving around yet, so most of the next chapter should be Sengoku's plan really coming into motion. The PX's are just the beginning.

[Ykee]

You have Whitbeard, Garp, Sengoku, Doflamingo, Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru but no we want to see Buggy. :p

Whitebeard is like Sengoku, the leader who runs his troops.

Garp wants to stay close to Ace, as being his grandfather (yeah he is, don't comment that).

Doflamingo was shown a lot of time since the beginning of the War (Cutting Oars leg, having a speech about the outcome while taking on Atmos, interacting with Ivankov and fighting Croc/Joz)

We saw the 3 admirals right at the begining showing their power, Kizaru still being on the battlefield. And I think they are important to the rest of Sengoku's plan (whatever it is).

It's been quite well drawn by Oda considering the amount of important characters present actually.

[Yoker66666]

:err?? (what)
This

http://imagehoster.us/images/79006.jpg

he'll not have other choice but to do something, I guess after meditating carefully the situation he knows what he gotta do.

hehehe

[Black Lagoon]

hehehe

Sorry I get it now :sweat
well, I guess ... after getting that if he attacks Mihawk he will lose his arms, he directed the "Gomu Gomu no Jet ***" to the ground in order to not lose his arms, because he was ready to attack... IMO :)

[Bugzee]

Whitebeard is like Sengoku, the leader who runs his troops.

Garp wants to stay close to Ace, as being his grandfather (yeah he is, don't comment that).

Doflamingo was shown a lot of time since the beginning of the War (Cutting Oars leg, having a speech about the outcome while taking on Atmos, interacting with Ivankov and fighting Croc/Joz)

We saw the 3 admirals right at the begining showing their power, Kizaru still being on the battlefield. And I think they are important to the rest of Sengoku's plan (whatever it is).

It's been quite well drawn by Oda considering the amount of important characters present actually.

Thats very true! Props to Oda :D

I think its time tho WB seriously run havoc and ownage on the marines!!!
The way it is now with the PX army adding to the marines strength on the battlefield, i feel its certain that the pirates will need aid from someone else... but i dont know who yet.. too many possibilities!!!

[Black Lagoon]

I'm still impressed with Mihawk being able to track Luffy through a bunch of people... :shakefist

[Bugzee]

What those insects u mean? lol

In Mihawks eyes, that must've been nothing LOL! It would be sweet if we get a flashback of a battle with Shanks!

Well, I hope the Vista fight doesnt just die out and all attention just freezes! I wanna see that fight! For now, im hoping for WB ownage, someone to knock the sh*t out of Sentomaru and Kizaru to die!

[jimm120]

i think that is a realistic prediction... i cant see too many marines turning but i can see alot being sacrificsed. It would make sense why the government is turning off the broadcast! Unfortunatly maybe not this chapter but maybe next chapter i think there is a likely hood of an admiral stepping in front of luffy!

I'm just thinking....

SOMEONE sabotaged the doors to open for Luffy's ship. Maybe someone will sabotage the transmissions...and at the end, the WG WILL end up winning (to a certain extent) but everyone will lose hope/faith in them because of the method because they saw the broadcast.


Seems plausible and might be part of the Revolutionary army's plan. Not Whitebeard but the Revolutionary army (RV). Remember, the RV's goal is to bring down the WG because it thinks its corrupt somehow. There's no way that they're just going to let this opportunity pass.



So, I predict that

-the WG thinks the transmission is cut but it isn't
-the RV do this
-WB and most of the older pirates die in a not so nice way
-This in turns makes the citizens of the world not like the WG.
-Nico is helping the RV infiltrate and carry all of these acts out.
-Ace doesn't die and continues as the "leader" of the WB pirates.



THIS Prediction has been Copyrighted by Jimm120, Inc. Just know that this is where you first heard what will really happen!

.

[Katz]

SOMEONE sabotaged the doors to open for Luffy's ship. Maybe someone will sabotage the transmissions...and at the end, the WG WILL end up winning (to a certain extent) but everyone will lose hope/faith in them because of the method because they saw the broadcast.

If you were referring to the doors at Imperial Down, Mr.2 did that for them, his fate is unknown.

[Bugzee]

^ Well i like your ideas.

For me, it would be a let down for WB to die suddenly in this war - but i would be happy if Ace took over as leader/captain of the WB pirates!

RV's will make the msot of this war. Whether they actually turn up or not at Marines HQ is another thing. Im hoping Dragon will, but right now its hard to tell!

Isn't Nico Robin back in East Blue somwhere? She's probably still helping the RV's back in that particular region!

I defintely think/believe that the den den visuals will be transmitted back up again!!! For the world to see!!!

[kkck]

Interesting... each pacifista is at the very least capable of putting a fight against any of the strong dudes around so as the chapter suggests the tide of the war will suddenly change. The commanders and captains from other crew are certainly capable of taking them IMHO but anyone below that is almost certainly screwed. Luffy certainly can't defeat one on his own, the escaped prisoners can't either(except for crocodile, ivankov and jimbei). All in all, the pirate side is about to experience a more than serious lose in numbers. Of course this only means the pirate side should get backup pretty soon. By now I am expecting someone of caliber to come and help WB. I am inclined to think shanks could make an appearance soon enough while accompanied by raileight. I do think that if BB appears WB will be dead for sure though.

I don't see how luffy is going to rescue ace though. He has to get past the admirals, sengoku and gard. None of them are people luffy could even hope to scratch in battle. He would be squashed as the worthless rookie bug he is....

[Bugzee]

Interesting... each pacifista is at the very least capable of putting a fight against any of the strong dudes around so as the chapter suggests the tide of the war will suddenly change. The commanders and captains from other crew are certainly capable of taking them IMHO but anyone below that is almost certainly screwed. Luffy certainly can't defeat one on his own, the escaped prisoners can't either(except for crocodile, ivankov and jimbei). All in all, the pirate side is about to experience a more than serious lose in numbers. Of course this only means the pirate side should get backup pretty soon. By now I am expecting someone of caliber to come and help WB. I am inclined to think shanks could make an appearance soon enough while accompanied by raileight. I do think that if BB appears WB will be dead for sure though.

I don't see how luffy is going to rescue ace though. He has to get past the admirals, sengoku and gard. None of them are people luffy could even hope to scratch in battle. He would be squashed as the worthless rookie bug he is....

I also agree, the pirates will loose a lot of numbers (injury or death). They need another aid/support - and the only thing that keeps coming back to me is either Dragon OR more likely - Rayliegh & Shanks

[ArchitectOFate]

i'm just wondering, has any1 speculated where the 8? missing divison commanders + there crew are for the fights . . . nuff said IMO

[Dim]

If you were referring to the doors at Imperial Down, Mr.2 did that for them, his fate is unknown.

hes refering to the doors at marine head quatters they opend themselves !!!

revolutionary is a possiblitiy- don flamingo controlling someone is alos a possibility im sure Oda will bring out soemthing new or ridiculous thouhg lol

depending on how many pacifistas there are i suppose. i think there are going to be 50+ but i wouldnt be supprsied if it were some ridiculous number!

i want to see like 10 attack Joz and the beacms going straight through him and reflecting and all of them just to drop hahahah i know it wont happen seeing him fight one combat fist to fist would be awsome coz he is a beat

[Bugzee]

Its a possibility that the rest of the WB division captains/commanders are for the major fights ahead. Some may win, some may struggle, some may even loose!

But im guessing that the PX's have been recently upgraded as well as the original Kuma/PX-Zero. So it could be a tougher then b4! Cant wait to see the quake quake fruit in action again!!!! :XD

[tothx]

Nothing makes sense, having more players involved means more time. The arc is limited by time:

Whitebeard himself, Marco and Jozu are the remaining super big shots that havent gotten their enemy yet. And yet there are 3 admirals and sengoku that needs to be adressed, garp needs some action too, this plot needs more major players unless Luffy is going to beat the crap out of one of those.


Number 2, is ace.

Number 4, Thatch is gone. Unless he got a new one to replace him allready

Number 5 will be fighting on par with Mihawk (and obviously loose)

6-16, fodder (though really powerfull fodder)


Only way I see this working out is that Blackbeards suprise will be the major factor in this battle.


More importaintly though, Luffy is able to predict Mihawks moves thru his Haki now ;) O.o

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/05/ (Below the Bazoo)

[chess4]

Nothing makes sense, having more players involved means more time. The arc is limited by time:

Whitebeard himself, Marco and Jozu are the remaining super big shots that havent gotten their enemy yet. And yet there are 3 admirals and sengoku that needs to be adressed, garp needs some action too, this plot needs more major players unless Luffy is going to beat the crap out of one of those.


Number 2, is ace.

Number 4, Thatch is gone. Unless he got a new one to replace him allready

Number 5 will be fighting on par with Mihawk (and obviously loose)

6-16, fodder (though really powerfull fodder)


Only way I see this working out is that Blackbeards suprise will be the major factor in this battle.


More importaintly though, Luffy is able to predict Mihawks moves thru his Haki now ;) O.o

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/05/ (Below the Bazoo)


i think the rest of WB's commander will get introduced in the next few chapters since i think they will lead the charge against the pacifista.

[pirateninjahunter]

Nothing makes sense, having more players involved means more time. The arc is limited by time:

Whitebeard himself, Marco and Jozu are the remaining super big shots that havent gotten their enemy yet. And yet there are 3 admirals and sengoku that needs to be adressed, garp needs some action too, this plot needs more major players unless Luffy is going to beat the crap out of one of those.


Number 2, is ace.

Number 4, Thatch is gone. Unless he got a new one to replace him allready

Number 5 will be fighting on par with Mihawk (and obviously loose)

6-16, fodder (though really powerfull fodder)


Only way I see this working out is that Blackbeards suprise will be the major factor in this battle.


More importaintly though, Luffy is able to predict Mihawks moves thru his Haki now ;) O.o

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/05/ (Below the Bazoo)


Jozu is already being controlled by DoFlamingo. Somebody needs to break the strings controlling Jozu.

I do not believe Shanks will appear. That would be too much for WG. Buy Rayleigh is probably coming.

People talk about swordsman but forget about Law. He has a devil fruit and he is pretty strong. Maybe stronger than luffy. He also seems to have a sword that could be stronger than those of Zoro. I do not believe that Zoro will be the only swordsman to evolve. Law will become Strong. Maybe Law will be the one to defeat Mihawk. And Zoro will need to defeat Law to be # one.

[Mr. Crocodile]

People talk about swordsman but forget about Law. He has a devil fruit and he is pretty strong. Maybe stronger than luffy. He also seems to have a sword that could be stronger than those of Zoro. I do not believe that Zoro will be the only swordsman to evolve. Law will become Strong. Maybe Law will be the one to defeat Mihawk. And Zoro will need to defeat Law to be # one.

You just pulled Law out of nowhere mate..remember he wants to be the Pirate King too so Mihawk shouldn't really be on his list even though he too is a swordsman. Off topic i know sorry.

[SenninSage]

Yea, the World Government just showed off a major hand, but we have to keep in mind that Whitebeard is still present in this war.

It would be very easy for us to forget just how insanely powerful this man truly is. I wouldn't doubt he alone possessing the ability to wipe out that entire army of Pacifistas, but just because he can, doesn't necessarily mean that that's what about to happen.

[yoichi-san]

Ace is emotionally weak now.. I wonder why people always speculate the idea of Whitebeard dying. One piece would be less fun if he dies after making a momentary impact. Of course everyone would say the marines are to win in this battle if not it'd be illogical. Having pirates won over marines why would they event want to have the headquaters still. So my bet here is for the marines to win. But taking Whitebeard out from the story is kinda inappropriate now. If Wb were to be taken off it might lead to something like

Ace: Pops i'm the one who caused your death. Why did you come... (and all those emotional things)

So i'd prefer Wb to be alive and i predict that the pirates will just grab Ace away and start retreating.

I don't see the pafista goin down too. Since it's kinda stupid for them to go down. If you actually remember, i guess Sentomaru once said the cost of building one is equivalent to the cost of a fleet battleship.

[deffkryz]

Actually, I think that right now the story may continue either way, now that Sengoku's plan has been revealed. I wonder if those Pacifista are completed as Zero-kun and if the Sabaody incident was the right opportunity to have a shakedown of those cyborgs.

Though I don't think that someone just enters that war, we still have to think about who opened the Gate of Justice. Possible candidates are (IMHO):


Mugiwara Pirates with Rayleigh and Shakuyak
Rayleigh and Shakuyak without the Mugiwaras
At least one Mugiwara (remember that Sanji opened/closed the Gate of Enies Lobby all by himself?)
Mugiwaras with some other allies
Some fishmen having heard from Jinbei
Some New World Captain
Shanks and Kaidou (maybe they're thinken "We won't interfere directly but we are at least able to do this for WB and his allies...")
Buggy Pirates without Alvida and their ship. ;)
Some Blackbeard crew member which is yet to be revealed (which was thinking that his captain returned)
Some Revolutionaries
Some Marine that is going to take a leave and become a pirate/an outlaw. (like X. Drake)
Some of the Sabaody rookies.
Ace's crew. (Where have they been so far?)


Those ideas came out of my wicked head - I don't know which one of it will make it into the manga or even if one of them is even coming close. :p I think this is the last thing to reveal before we can determine how the battle is going to end.

My personal opinion though is that Marineford is about to be crushed either way because of the simple reason that both Enies Lobby and Impel Down have been penetrated even though they were guarded heavily. Sure, there are admirals and a lot of vice admirals and now even a lot of Pacifista. But we may not forget what big names are in the pirates' corner - even Luffy is quite a big one since Enies Lobby, and he infiltrated Impel Down. So why not making them crush the final bastion of the WG on the Grand Line?

[Mr.Popo]

WB actually heard about the "human weapon" of the the marine, but i doubt he has countermeasures set up.

I don't think Shanks will show up and i also don't think Rayleigh would make any difference whether he shows up or not. Shanks would bring his strong crew into the equation, but Rayleigh is just ONE old (strong) man.

I still have the words from chapter 550 (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/) in my mind: "the five twisted pirates who my determine the outcome of this battle".

The shihibukai are currently on the WG's side, but with the arrival of the pacifistas they are merely bystanders now (meaning: not determining the outcome).
So i think they (most of them) will change side for the time being.
Of course there has to be a reason for this like the pacifistas attacking them or something like that.

In paricular as I think the WG/marines won't hesitate to kill all pirates (including the shihibukai) at once if they have the chance to do so.

[Black Lagoon]

Which Shichibukais Dofla, Mihawk and Kuma? well we might add Croco...

Edit : Muria's disappeared from the battle ... so what else

Blackbeard might turn his back on the WG and help WB, in order to have a one on one with WB.

[monkey D luffy]

croco has his own agenda here and he cant be counted as a shichi works for the government side here.

[Black Lagoon]

yes, he's on his way but indirectly he's actually helping the WG ...

[monkey D luffy]

not really, he did attack a few marines if i recall correctly and he just attacked a WG assosiate along with WB crew member

[Black Hawk]

Which Shichibukais Dofla, Mihawk and Kuma? well we might add Croco...

Edit : Muria's disappeared from the battle ... so what else

Blackbeard might turn his back on the WG and help WB, in order to have a one on one with WB.


As good the last posts was. This comment are the badest i ever was read. Nothing in the whole world, can make WB and BB as a team. No Pirate with a little pride, will do that.

@deffkryz

Or possible a idiot who push the wrong button.
Or a Marine revolution of some part of it. OR u think anyone in the Marine, likes how the Ways goes. Everything is possible, that make it hard to discuss.

[Isabel]

I kind of think that the Pacifista are going to execute Ace. Kindof like a fire squad.
The admirals can hold of WB and co.

[deffkryz]

I still have the words from chapter 550 (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/) in my mind: "the five twisted pirates who my determine the outcome of this battle".

The shihibukai are currently on the WG's side, but with the arrival of the pacifistas they are merely bystanders now (meaning: not determining the outcome).
So i think they (most of them) will change side for the time being.
Of course there has to be a reason for this like the pacifistas attacking them or something like that.


That's what came to my mind recently, too. We already have Hancock and Jinbei that had a change of heart. H. betrays the WG for Luffy, J. because of his respect for Ace and WB.

I don't expect Hawkeye and Gecko Moria to stay calm once they realize that the Marines think that they don't need the shichibukai any longer. Doflamingo, I guess might have some background arrangement although he gave up his slave trade a couple of days ago.


@deffkryz

Or possible a idiot who push the wrong button.

I don't think they have someone like Luffy within their ranks. :p

[Pepius]

Mugiwara Pirates with Rayleigh and Shakuyak
Rayleigh and Shakuyak without the Mugiwaras
At least one Mugiwara (remember that Sanji opened/closed the Gate of Enies Lobby all by himself?)
Mugiwaras with some other allies
Some fishmen having heard from Jinbei
Some New World Captain
Shanks and Kaidou (maybe they're thinken "We won't interfere directly but we are at least able to do this for WB and his allies...")
Buggy Pirates without Alvida and their ship. ;)
Some Blackbeard crew member which is yet to be revealed (which was thinking that his captain returned)
Some Revolutionaries
Some Marine that is going to take a leave and become a pirate/an outlaw. (like X. Drake)
Some of the Sabaody rookies.
Ace's crew. (Where have they been so far?)





You forgot one very obvious and thats Marines them self considering they all prepared for that and they allready knew what will happen. Sengoku is not called Strategist for nothing i think.

[deffkryz]

You forgot one very obvious and thats Marines them self considering they all prepared for that and they allready knew what will happen. Sengoku is not called Strategist for nothing i think.

I'm pretty sure he never though Luffy would make it neither out of Impel Down nor through Marineford's Gate of Justice. (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/557/10/)

His face faults way too much like this time when he learned about Luffy in Impel Down (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/05/) or like this time (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/04/) or like this time (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/504/04/). He just isn't that kind of actor. ;)

[Akainu]

No talking about spoilers outside the spoiler threads. What's so hard to understand in that rule?
thread closed until everyone found the right place ~

[Black Lagoon]

As good the last posts was. This comment are the badest i ever was read. Nothing in the whole world, can make WB and BB as a team. No Pirate with a little pride, will do that.

thanks for the critic, it was just a speculation and predicting the unpredictable :p

[pirateninjahunter]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/05/
Maybe it was Kinjishi who opened the gates????


The pacifistas need to be as strong as PX0, otherwise they pose no problem.

[Bugzee]

^ lol Kinjinshi, highly unlikely! I'll stick to my gut feeling that it was a member of RV!

[Katz]

I see the possibilty of maybe seeing Kinjishi in the manga in the future, not sure why Oda would mention him if wasn't gonna serve some type of purpose later one, but I doubt he was the one to open the gates.

[Black Lagoon]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/05/
Maybe it was Kinjishi who opened the gates????


The pacifistas need to be as strong as PX0, otherwise they pose no problem.

you mean this freak
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/es/images/thumb/4/4f/OPSTRONGWORLD000-1-.png/290px-OPSTRONGWORLD000-1-.png
Nah, very unlikely, i think he's dead

[Bugzee]

^ Kinjishi is one of the main characters for the new OP Movie 10. I guess it was included in the Impel Down Arc for the movie. If it was him who opened the gates of justice it would be lame! :facepalm

[Black Lagoon]

Lame, makes no sence, ridiculous ... plus he's not concerned, I mean ... if he was the one who opened the gates, it would be as if he wants to get caught again and sent to Impel Down.

[Bugzee]

^ ahahahahah true!

He doesnt look like a guy who could escape again lol! Oh well, that was funny tho!

[bittman]

I'm going to have to go with the revolutionary army or a spy. I doubt it's any really big person by themselves, else there would be more reports than controls to the gate. Famous people always get noticed and probably reported just as quickly.

Means it either had to be someone people trusted (i.e. a spy) or some lowly peon in disguise (i.e. revolutionary army...or lower part of someone's crew...)

[roguehuman]

Kuma has to be the one who opened the gate. he set everything up so far. He had to be part of opening the gate. All you guys are going to be like he a robot. But he set everything else up so perfectly to this point.

If it had to be someone else. It had to be someone who part of WB crew. WB timed it perfectly.

[RichardMNixon]

I was under the impression that WB's underwater fleet just forced the gate open.

[Black Lagoon]

Kuma has to be the one who opened the gate. he set everything up so far. He had to be part of opening the gate. All you guys are going to be like he a robot. But he set everything else up so perfectly to this point.

If it had to be someone else. It had to be someone who part of WB crew. WB timed it perfectly.

Nah, I don't think so, he's unconscious now (to no say dead) and so was few hours ago (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-524/page018.html), so it can't be. ;)

[Gol.D.Roger]

I was under the impression that WB's underwater fleet just forced the gate open.

I agree with this. Oda doesn't need to provide a seperate explanation for the gate opening. There are plenty of people on WB's crew who could have done it; if not the man himself. Opening the gate isn't really a problem for WB or let's say Jozu.

[Black Lagoon]

I was under the impression that WB's underwater fleet just forced the gate open.

you mean by coincidence?? maybe but I think it was someone working for WhteBeard in the Government.

[Razh]

WB fleet probably didn't pass through the gate at all.
I doubt that opening the gate is easy as you described. Tell me, how did they open the gate through the bubble? The bubble which surrounds their ship so they don't all die.

Also, we already know that the gate was opened from the inside. A Marine officer reporting to Sengoku said -The Gates of Justice are opening without any authorization!!! We can't seem to obtain contact with the control room......!!! (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/09/)

[Morlun]

I very much doubt that the Pacifistas, whose arrival will (paraphrasing) "catapult this event into the final stage," will be defeated in a single chapter. Unless their defeat is what sends things into the final stage, with an all-out attack from the Marine forces, but I doubt that.

Anyway, I wanna see Luffy one-on-one with someone. I wanna see the man beat the crap out of an Admiral, save Ace and yell to the cameras "I'm the man who's gonna become Pirate King!"

All hail Gokou Luffy! =D

[Black Lagoon]

WB fleet probably didn't pass through the gate at all.
I doubt that opening the gate is easy as you described. Tell me, how did they open the gate through the bubble? The bubble which surrounds their ship so they don't all die.

Also, we already know that the gate was opened from the inside. A Marine officer reporting to Sengoku said -The Gates of Justice are opening without any authorization!!! We can't seem to obtain contact with the control room......!!! (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/09/)

Absolutely
for now the gates were possibly opened by/from :
the outside Discarded
Kuma is discarded (we have evidence from this chapter (561) and the last ones)
Rayleigh & co (unlikely IMO but still possible)
WhiteBeard's pirates, spies or commanders
Revolutionaries
Somebody else

[Bugzee]

I very much doubt that the Pacifistas, whose arrival will (paraphrasing) "catapult this event into the final stage," will be defeated in a single chapter. Unless their defeat is what sends things into the final stage, with an all-out attack from the Marine forces, but I doubt that.

Anyway, I wanna see Luffy one-on-one with someone. I wanna see the man beat the crap out of an Admiral, save Ace and yell to the cameras "I'm the man who's gonna become Pirate King!"

All hail Gokou Luffy! =D

Me 2!!! :D But its kind ahard right now to tell who his opponent will be on on one (without aid/support from other pirates). But i have faith that eventually he'll have his main opponent b4 he reaches Ace... :tem

[Black Lagoon]

Anyway, I wanna see Luffy one-on-one with someone. I wanna see the man beat the crap out of an Admiral, save Ace and yell to the cameras "I'm the man who's gonna become Pirate King!"

All hail Gokou Luffy! =D

F**k yeah! :shakefist JUST LIKE HERE (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-099/page008.html) :XD

@SenninSage- You're totally right, but I guess this is the wrong thread(it should be in the spoiler discussion:p)

[Bugzee]

^ LOL That did me justice for OP this week loool :XD

I hope something like that happens again with the live broadcast on!!!! Go Luffy!!! That would rock!!

[Black Lagoon]

Standing at the execution platform while Sengoku's kneeling and begging for mercy xd
I know ... I just let my emotions go through... XD

[Morlun]

I just thought of something, along the lines of that theory 2 or 3 pages ago that the Mugiwaras might have opened the gate...

What if the Thousand Sunny, properly coated, with the Mugiwaras, maybe Rayleigh and Cammie (with whom Sanji hitch-hiked to go open the gate) is already there, underwater? :)

[Lee-tyme7]

Can anyone tell me when Luffy tried to Gatling Mihawk and saw a vision of his arm being chopped off, was that Mihawk haki? or was it Luffy's intuition? After that did Luffy punch the ground? I couldn't tell with all those lines.
here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/05/

[Bugzee]

Can anyone tell me when Luffy tried to Gatling Mihawk and saw a vision of his arm being chopped off, was that Mihawk haki? or was it Luffy's intuition? After that did Luffy punch the ground? I couldn't tell with all those lines.
here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/05/

Lasts weeks chapter

Some believe its hawk's haki, but i think its Luffy's intuition. His maturing in his fights and im proud of him! :D

I think Luffy moved back/bounced back to avoid hawks' attack!

[Razh]

I think Luffy moved back/bounced back to avoid hawks' attack!

I think he turned his fist towards the ground since there was no other way to stop them.

I'm not sure what that was. It could be Haki, but maybe he just realized what Mihawk would do when he raised his sword. Luffy always had quick reactions. Like the time when he fought Crocodile. He was going to punch him, but Crocodile planned to catch his fist and dry it up with his sand vortex thing and Luffy stopped his fist with his foot in the last moment.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Yeah, that's true, that's not the first time we see Luffy changing quickly his mind.
But that time, Oda drawn what he had in mind and what would have happened to his hand if he let that attack go. So, I'm more inclined to think it was Haki.

[Bugzee]

I think he turned his fist towards the ground since there was no other way to stop them.

I'm not sure what that was. It could be Haki, but maybe he just realized what Mihawk would do when he raised his sword. Luffy always had quick reactions. Like the time when he fought Crocodile. He was going to punch him, but Crocodile planned to catch his fist and dry it up with his sand vortex thing and Luffy stopped his fist with his foot in the last moment.

Most probably after looking at it again! Yea i think Luffy recognised in time what was about to happen, so he refrained from doing it! If it was anime (not yet:XD), this would've been a speedy moment/contact between the two!


Yeah, that's true, that's not the first time we see Luffy changing quickly his mind.
But that time, Oda drawn what he had in mind and what would have happened to his hand if he let that attack go. So, I'm more inclined to think it was Haki.

lol Haki or Intuition..we will have to wait for now! Because im sure, all will be understood when Luffy actually uses it in this war! :p:D

[Black Lagoon]

Yeah, that's true, that's not the first time we see Luffy changing quickly his mind.
But that time, Oda drawn what he had in mind and what would have happened to his hand if he let that attack go. So, I'm more inclined to think it was Haki.

Probably.
I think I've said this before but anyway, IMO that was just the result of a loooooong 561 chapters of battle experiences and common sense :D

[Bugzee]

Probably.
I think I've said this before but anyway, IMO that was just the result of a loooooong 561 chapters of battle experiences and common sense :D

LOOOL took some time!! :XD:XD

But it was a scary moment when that happened! I cant wait for Zoro to learn all about this! :XD

[Black Lagoon]

LOOOL took some time!! :XD:XD

But it was a scary moment when that happened! I cant wait for Zoro to learn all about this! :XD

Zoro just need to develop his swordsman skills, be a bit more fast, and if Mihawks really has some kind of power in his eyes (Haki, DF or whatever) he (zoro) will have to get something new to counter that power.

[Bugzee]

Zoro just need to develop his swordsman skills, be a bit more fast, and if Mihawks really has some kind of power in his eyes (Haki, DF or whatever) he (zoro) will have to get something new to counter that power.

Yea true, i really hope Zoro develops a technique thats unique to him and which will look awesome against such an opponent like Hawk eyes! :D

But, after seeing Luffy Vs Mihawks, :blink it really did hit home the amount of work Zoro still needs to reach Hawks level! Man, even tho we've seen such awesome Zoro fights already!:amuse

[Black Lagoon]

Seeing Luffy's arm get cut off reminds me Sanji's thought about Luffy's stomach getting ate (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/90/07/) by Arlong :XD

[Bugzee]

LOOOL ^ That was funny!!! I forgot about that! Niice find!! lol :XD :XD :XD

Im gettin more excited to see Mihawk Vs Zoro! :XD but that aint gonna happen soon.. :(

[Black Lagoon]

let just stay on topic :)


Yeah, that's true, that's not the first time we see Luffy changing quickly his mind.
But that time, Oda drawn what he had in mind and what would have happened to his hand if he let that attack go. So, I'm more inclined to think it was Haki.

I forgot to add this : If its not Haki then we must believe that Luffy is actually skilled enough to avoid attacks from Mihawk at a high speed.

[Bugzee]

^ wasnt Luffy in gear 2 at that moment in time?? his fast in that gear, so im thinking it was his speedy reflex as oppose to actually using haki! Unless, the Kings Haki consists of more then one typical form of haki??

[Black Lagoon]

Mihawks speed is beyond the imaginable from 2 to 7 is the (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/02/) prove, and there're some more evidences from chapters ago ... Luffy's doing well.

[Bugzee]

Im proud of Luffy like a proud parent pleased with there child's report card lol :XD

It was an awesome moment! Mihawks power is still :scry in a good way :XD

[Bugzee]

Come to think of it, Mihawk was pretty comfortable and calm in that short fight with Luffy as if it wasnt even a fight! I guess that shows the huge gap in fighting capabilities and experience!

lol when he said 'you remain within my range' with his eyes closed, is he taking the p*ss? lool

[Lee-tyme7]

Yeah he was just toying with Luffy I think he just wanted to test Luffy like he tested WB. He could of defeat Luffy anytime he wants. Beside Mihawk & Shank are buddies he wouldn't cut down the one person Shank admired, would he?

[Black Lagoon]

he was only warming up before start fighting seriously, don't tell me he was just toying with him here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/06-07/) or Here (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/561/04/) -_-;

[Lord Rayleigh]

Seeing Luffy's arm get cut off reminds me Sanji's thought about Luffy's stomach getting ate (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/90/07/) by Arlong :XD
Yeah, I forgot about that. That Sanji :p It looks alike.
But I think we can be sure that this one has nothing to do with Haki/Mantra because it was not a " prediction " : if it was, Luffy would have ended up like that because Sanji did nothing to prevent it. Whereas with Mihawks, it was a prediction and Luffy had to change the direction of his attack to prevent it from coming true.

[Bugzee]

Yeah, I forgot about that. That Sanji :p It looks alike.
But I think we can be sure that this one has nothing to do with Haki/Mantra because it was not a " prediction " : if it was, Luffy would have ended up like that because Sanji did nothing to prevent it. Whereas with Mihawks, it was a prediction and Luffy had to change the direction of his attack to prevent it from coming true.

Thats more then likely what happened, i cant see how haki would've made luffy recognise the consequences of stretching his arms! But im pretty sure Mihawk used some form of haki in those attacks! He's eyes were scary lol

[Black Lagoon]

Thats more then likely what happened, i cant see how haki would've made luffy recognise the consequences of stretching his arms! But im pretty sure Mihawk used some form of haki in those attacks! He's eyes were scary lol

not the consequences but a prediction just like Mantra (if mantra isn't Haki itself)...

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Haki ;)

[Akainu]

that's the diffrence between those. Sanji is smart enough to anticipate what will happen in fights others fight, while Luffy had a totally diffrently designed "vision" of what will happen to himself, when he carries on with his attack, that he already started.
Going by what haki does it is everything else than farfetched and I think we will see Luffy defending from sure hits and maybe hitting a logia himself before the battle is over.

[Black Lagoon]

that's the diffrence between those. Sanji is smart enough to anticipate what will happen in fights others fight, while Luffy had a totally diffrently designed "vision" of what will happen to himself, when he carries on with his attack, that he already started.
Going by what haki does it is everything else than farfetched and I think we will see Luffy defending from sure hits and maybe hitting a logia himself before the battle is over.

Exactly, Luffy just whip it out there without thinking or take in consideration the opponent's strength :XD
and doesn't think till a fight begin ... this is the best way :p

@ Zojo- I forgot to tell you this but you should have wrote your post in the other thread... :facepalm

[Schabrak]

Hm what ability could it be? His whole body seems to have transformed with stretched arms and tower like shoulders. Probably a mystic zoan, as we've seen that they don't have to become typical animals with the MF arc. Or another mud-like logia? ... will try to find that pic in the anime to make out the color of his body.