One Piece 562 Discussion/563 Predictions

[s1833]

May be, just may be, Squardo stabs white beard is protecting white beard instead of trying to kill him.
I believe it is this case because in page 16 when white beard first met Squardo, he told Squardo that he will go out and fight as well, which prettey much mean White beard is going to die because not matter how strong he is, he can not take the attacks from the admirals and all the Pacifistas as well as Shichibukais. Basically white beard is risking his life to save Ace.

Also at the bottom of page 16 Squardo says that all the pirates are in White Beard's debt, and even will sacrifise their life for the White Beard Pirates.
Therefore even though Squardo knew that by attacking White Beard, he will get kill, he will sacrifise himeself so that white beard would not go to the battle field and the best case is White beard eventually flee. I just cannot think of any idiot that would want to hurt White Beard when he/she knew that he/she will get killed instantly.

P.S Lots of pirates like white beard and supporting him does not make them want to sacrifires White Beard's life for Ace.

Just my theory.

[OunknownO]

There is more to it.... I have a feeling that wb told him to do that

[Bugzee]

Well, this weeks chapter was a surprise, i didnt think it would come out like this - :jawdrop

I can understand why some of you are saying that Squardo didnt attack with his own will it might've been Doflamingo but to me that would f*ckin suck! I hate Doflamingo's ability and character, imo he shouldnt be like the last warlord that crosses paths with the SH crew. But anyway, i dont understand why Squardo would do that , on WB's orders? :err

[NoLimit89]

so WB got Dumbledored?

[Gats]

The Okama Queen might be able to somewhat regenerate WB no ? Or he is too old ? :eyeroll

[gesgift]

Oda's genius is just to difficult to understand. But it seems to early for this war to end.

[Bugzee]

Its possible that the Okama Queen can aid WB someway, but i doubt that he/she lol could repair the severe damage that the stab could possibly have caused!

Well, its either Squardo's own doing or Doflam controlling! The pirates really do need aid from another support!!! But just who will actually arrive and enter this war...?...

[Poneglyph420]

After this chapter, I really think that WB will end up dying in order to save Ace. This attack by Squardo won't be the coup de grace or anything, but does open up the desperation of WB and allies. WB must still be combat capable, i think.. And if he really got down to it, I'm sure an active WB could stir hell...

I really don't want to see anyone come help Luffy and co. quite yet..
They just got the best motivation possible, now we have to see the resolve of the WB commanders and allies. Can they keep it together??...If so Ace can be saved IMO.

But if anyone I'd see Rayleigh coming and getting Luffy and Ace from WB..
Having some epic final meeting and the boys crying as they departed..

ahhh dreams..

[Gats]

Its possible that the Okama Queen can aid WB someway, but i doubt that he/she lol could repair the severe damage that the stab could possibly have caused!

Well, its either Squardo's own doing or Doflam controlling! The pirates really do need aid from another support!!! But just who will actually arrive and enter this war...?...

This slash seems nothing compared to Magellan's poison. I think she can do something, and the will of Whitebeard should be enough. But she is too far and fighting Kuma 2.0.

[chaosprophet]

Chapter Out:
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1650319#post1650319

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Serves him right, all he's done is just stood there, thinking he's all great, then he gets stabbed. :facepalm

You have to admit, when you describe this, it makes him look like an idiot. :amuse

[Lord Rayleigh]

chaosprophet, you should destroy the thread " One Piece Chapter 562 Release HQ " because it has nothing to do here.

[chaosprophet]

chaosprophet, you should destroy the thread " One Piece Chapter 562 Release HQ " because it has nothing to do here.

Okay, I'll do that, but where are the releases threads. Last time I was here (a long time ago), all releases had their own seperate forum. Could you point me to where it would be appropriate to post it?

[Akainu]

MH now has it's own forum-less release section: http://mangahelpers.com/m/one-piece/chapters/562


and yes, WB should have moved his ass a little sooner... time was running after all and he knew about the plan to execute Ace early *duh*

[trunterzx]

OMG, white beard is in danger!! But I wonder why he couldn't evade that sword, considering how he could even attack Ace in his sleep...

[Bugzee]

I wonder if it'll be revealed what kinda of DF-type WB has?? maybe very few around him actually know as well!? so squardo might've gambled with the stab in that way. I still find it hard that it was so sudden and just out of the blue that attack man!!!

Wonda how BB will enter now lol

[trunterzx]

I wonder if it'll be revealed what kinda of DF-type WB has?? maybe very few around him actually know as well!? so squardo might've gambled with the stab in that way. I still find it hard that it was so sudden and just out of the blue that attack man!!!

Wonda how BB will enter now lol

WB's DF type? He's earthquake man so isn't it Paramecia?

[jeffrey91]

They better come up with a very good reason why WB was stabbed so easy, b/c as said ace wasn't even able to hurt WB in his sleep >.>

[BlackHair]

WB's DF type? He's earthquake man so isn't it Paramecia?He is defintily a paramacia. So far Logia represented elements, quake is not a element!



the shock on everyone's face indicates that:

WB has never been stabbed that easily from the front before.
i'm guessing he never lets his guard down and this has certainly dumbstruck everyone who is aware of his strength and certainly has shocked WB the most.

what i mean to say is that the reason behind everyone's shock is not squadro's treachery, but rather the fact that he was able to catch WB off guard and actually stab him.
I have to agree. 3 Admirals tried to attck him and he defended them (only 2) with ease. Seeing now how Squardo was able to hurt WB with such a move, should be surprising as hell. In the next chapter Im actually more interested in Sengoku/Garp reaction than the other. Given Squardo's speech, Im thinking more and more that he acted for his own.


Anyway I predict Marco or Jozu will send Squardo flying. Also there is blood behind WB's back. So he is hurt, definitely!

[Black Lagoon]

Anyway I predict Marco or Jozu will send Squardo flying. Also there is blood behind WB's back. So he is hurt, definitely!

yeah! definitely that wound is serious (although it may not be that serious if WB has some kind of special power or his organism can heal him quickly, and the reason for why Ace, Marco, Jozu and Co are surprised is because they haven't expected this s**t from Squardo), but why Marco or Jozu have to send Squardo flying? :blink even if WB is injured he can still beat the s**t out of Squardo, and IMO Squardo's destiny is worst than this VA (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/556/04-05/). :)

[Razh]

I have to agree. 3 Admirals tried to attck him and he defended them (only 2) with ease. Seeing now how Squardo was able to hurt WB with such a move, should be surprising as hell. In the next chapter Im actually more interested in Sengoku/Garp reaction than the other. Given Squardo's speech, Im thinking more and more that he acted for his own.


It's troublesome to write the same stuff again, so I just quoted my take on this.


As I figure, Whitebeard has one weakness. He looks on all of his men like they are his sons. He trusts them. He was betrayed before, and now again. I don't think an enemy would be able to stab him like that but one of his own men...
That's why he was and is surprised.

Someone less trusting and more suspicious would have been on guard of Squadro after he disappeared and came to his ship. But seems that Whitebeard didn't even ask him what he was doing back there.
I fucking hate traitors.

I don't think Squardo's speech should be taken literary. The part where he says he's going to give his life for WB pirates could just as well be bitter sarcasm.
I too think that he acted on his own. He certainly isn't with Blackbeard. People need to realize that one of the NW captains that Whitebeard trusts the most wouldn't act as a pawn for some nobody in Whitebeard's crew who doesn't even have a bounty.
He could be with WG or another Yonkou, but it feels like he really hates Whitebeard and that he wanted to fulfill his own goal, not someone elses.
Well, we'll see in about a week, that's for sure.

[Gats]

I have to agree. 3 Admirals tried to attck him and he defended them (only 2) with ease. Seeing now how Squardo was able to hurt WB with such a move, should be surprising as hell. In the next chapter Im actually more interested in Sengoku/Garp reaction than the other. Given Squardo's speech, Im thinking more and more that he acted for his own.


The 3 admirals attacked Whitebeard with long range power, you can see these coming easy. Squado was near him and WB trusted him as his own son, remember Cesar ?

[beastboy]

It could be some one with the clone clone fruit wich cloned MR2 (he has control over is clones!) and Sqardo is a good guy... that was kidnaped by some MF (mother..._) and this is the replacement! :D

[kastrum]

I am in complete and utter SHOCK!

The thing that I wonder about though, is where did Squado get that sword?! Notice, the sword that we have seen him with in previous shots of him (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/ and http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/12-13/) is still holstered (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/read-online/60144/16?t=1256825477), and it is much smaller than the one in his hand. The sword he holds in his hand is a much different sword than his normal sword. I think that the sword he stabbed WB with has in seastone! Maybe it is the end of WB. Also, notice that he stabbed him directly in the heart! Right in the middle of the chest! WB is done for! Man, this gets me real upset!

[notBowen]

The 3 admirals attacked Whitebeard with long range power, you can see these coming easy. Squado was near him and WB trusted him as his own son, remember Cesar ?
Trusted as his own son? Isn't Squardo just some random captain of the new world? I don't think he's part of Whitebeard's regular crew at all.

[Gats]

Trusted as his own son? Isn't Squardo just some random captain of the new world? I don't think he's part of Whitebeard's regular crew at all.

He was there during the meeting between WB and Shanks and he called WB "Pops". I think it's clear enough right ?

[notBowen]

He was there during the meeting between WB and Shanks and he called WB "Pops". I think it's clear enough right ? More than likely just called him Ojiisan or some shit like that because WB is fuckin' old.

[goldb]

@Gatsuga: Squardo is a New World Captain who is in an alliance with WB as well as many other NW pirates. He is not a member of his crew.

[Gats]

This is what I thought until reading the script with him calling WB "pops". But I guess it's a mistranslation.

[iamsmurf]

maybe squadro was controlled by doflamingo..

[Black Lagoon]

Nah, I don't think so, it's just a way to call him since he's following his orders and everyone in his crew is calling him "pop", it's normal, just take examples of the real life. :tem
[hr]

maybe squadro was controlled by doflamingo..

definitely not ... it's clear that he's did it with all the intention in the world ... -_-; (:p)

[Evec]

anyone think its possible that Squado stabbing WB is part of WB's secret plan or something? It seems WB trusts Squado to an extent if he was thinking of asking him to lead the entire pirate crew before, so maybe he has some sort of plan that he only shared with Squado..

just throwing this out hehe

[OunknownO]

it's impossible that squado pierce wb except if wb didn't let him

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000207372/11.jpg

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000207372/12.jpg

[doflamingo-sama]

can anyone tell me what is in the panel under the aerial view of squadro stabbing WB? yes i know its all reaction shots but there are six panels of reaction and i can only identify luffy, jimbei, jozu, marco, and Ace. Is that someone else in the sixth panel? or is it a far away view of Ace? i can't tell.

[goldb]

anyone think its possible that Squado stabbing WB is part of WB's secret plan or something? It seems WB trusts Squado to an extent if he was thinking of asking him to lead the entire pirate crew before, so maybe he has some sort of plan that he only shared with Squado..

just throwing this out hehe

Nah, I don't think that's WB's style; it seems a bit desperate in terms of tactics. WB is strong enough to take out any enemy in a 1 on 1 fight, plus I don't think he's the kinda guy that goes into unnecessary battles where he doesn't think he can win.

[Razh]

Goddamit, every third page of this discussion is almost identical. Why are people so lazy?

The sixth pic is Ace on the execution stand from distance.
Doflamingo can control people's movements but he can't make them fucking talk or stop talking.
Whitebeard extends his trust not just to his regular crew but to allies as well. It's pretty clear that they obey his every command and while they aren't technically part of Whitebeard's crew, they are still Whitebeard pirates.
[hr]


The thing that I wonder about though, is where did Squado get that sword?!

He probably went to get it on his ship. It's not really important and it was discussed couple of pages back.

[Gats]

it's impossible that squado pierce wb except if wb didn't let him

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000207372/11.jpg

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000207372/12.jpg

Ace wasn't on WB side yet, they all knew that he would try something anytime...unlike now with Squado.

[kaowrunagisa]

I have to be sincere, I didnt expect this move, is shocking really shocking.

My thoughts, because you cant forget all those kumas killing there. Shanks will come, the power proportion is too unequal, and nobody can match this exagarated power and now without WB (wounded) I think is impossible to save Ace. I cant see any exit if Shanks wont appear.

Because if not, somebody important is gonna die there, and maybe will power up Luffy like when Krilin got killed by Freeza, and Goku transformed himself into super saiyayin. He needed that impulse so maybe Luffy need an extra help to get to the next level of power.

[Zojo]

I don't know why this is such a big deal. I mean....c'mon! The big guy didn't even flinch.
I mean, Squardo must be the most powerful ally captain since Whitebeard was going to put him in charge...but I don't think he could fight Whitebeard face to face.
I guess Squardo gets defeated....and Whitebeard goes wild if he decides it's a death blow and he doesn't have much time.

[monkey D luffy]

something's wierd here, that was too unexpected and came out of the blue, first squardo talks to WB with so much respect and you cant see on his face that he is about to attemp something and then the stab, what the hell is oda thinking?! if squardo really intended to kill WB then oda pulled it off poorly this time. IMHO anyway

[DSJump]

Didn't Squardo go missing a few chapters ago? Maybe he was exchenged for a clone or something.

[dacookester]

ok the whole thing about quardo stabbing him was because wb trusted him, wb knew ace was trying to kill him and if you read squardo panel he seem to be acting very suspicious

[RichardMNixon]

Didn't Squardo go missing a few chapters ago? Maybe he was exchenged for a clone or something.

Someone suggested he was killed and zombied by Moria, which I suppose is possible. Maybe one of the VA's agreed to have his shadow put into Squardo's body and was tasked with infiltrating WB's ship as Squardo. It would also explain why he was using that big sword instead of the one on his hip: could be the sword the shadow is most skilled with. Also why we saw Moria talking so excitedly about WB's death.

Seems possible but still far fetched; they need three pieces to come together in a fight this chaotic. Guess they could have used any new world captain though if Squardo didn't bite it.

[Freakzin]

it actually sounds like irony to me. like: "OHHH, everybody is indebted to the "GREAT" Whitebeard, Oh well we can all give our Lives to you HAPPILY!!!!! Ippie Die Hippie YAY!!!!!!!! ...........................................................................................................NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Bugzee]

Well, i just read the official chapter and damn!!! Those Kuma's are owning most of the NW pirates! :darn


something's wierd here, that was too unexpected and came out of the blue, first squardo talks to WB with so much respect and you cant see on his face that he is about to attemp something and then the stab, what the hell is oda thinking?! if squardo really intended to kill WB then oda pulled it off poorly this time. IMHO anyway

Yea it is very odd that Squardo was all calm and sayin how he would give his all for the WB pirates and then stabs him like that! Right in the centre of WB's stomach his a gonna 4 sure now! (not that i want him to die) Well, at the very least, his fatally injured now and he cant do much to attack with the rest of the pirates! Well, he can give all of his last energy to the fight but its still difficult to do in such a position and condition!

Squardo might've have been using/aiding WB for an unknown reason until this moment in time. It might be Doflamingo's doing, but i think Squardo has his own intentions...


Didn't Squardo go missing a few chapters ago? Maybe he was exchenged for a clone or something.

Kuma/PX clones and now Squardo clones now?? IMO that highly unlikely!

He went 'missing' purposely imo.

[Draewer]

I'm pretty sure that Rayleigh will join fight at some point

[beastboy]

something's wierd here, that was too unexpected and came out of the blue, first squardo talks to WB with so much respect and you cant see on his face that he is about to attemp something and then the stab, what the hell is oda thinking?! if squardo really intended to kill WB then oda pulled it off poorly this time. IMHO anyway

That was the point :facepalm
He was talking with respect to WB so WB wouldn't expect this.. its the first ever silent attack in this manga.. normally they come rushing WB I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU DOWN... Squad was smarter.. it was talking normally to WB and then.. STAB..
And I really think that sword as poison, and thats why Squad was ausent.. to prepare that sword!!
Then he came to WB.. who was worried with him..
He says how he likes him.. kills him!!

Kind of tipical soap opera seen.. but original in a shounen!! IMO well played for Oda!!

[k-dom]

Goddamit, every third page of this discussion is almost identical. Why are people so lazy?
.

On there defense, some people do not read the spoiler and join the discussion when the scanlation come out. But I agree that reading the last 3 pages should not be much of an effort

on topic : Once again Buggy is the saviour guy. By preventing the marine to cut the broadcast, he postponed Ace execution. I just wonder how long he will be able to keep it...

[kingkano]

Doflamingo could have still controled Squardo after his chat with WB but I dont think so. Maybe Squadro wants to be a Yonkou so he takes this chance to attack him now in this big war or he just works for the Marines or another Yonkou.

Why do so many peopel think WB will die from this wound? I dont think so.;)
He still has to show us why he is the strongest man in the world. I think he saw the attack coming but he was not sure why one of his sons is about to atack him, so he let it happen. WB will only die in a fight against Sengoku or BB or will sacrifice himself for ace and hes crew in the END of this war to save their lifes.

[Ykee]

Hahahaha I just get something hilarious from this chapter :

Look at this page (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-562/page001.html)

The duck on the right is Zoro, lost and wearing three weapons :D

Nice hint.

[goldb]

Yeah I forgot to mention how awesome Buggy's interview was!!
At first I thought there was a mistake on Oda's part as one page had Buggy's face all bloodied and on the next he was fresh. But reading the chapter now, it makes sense.

@k-dom: Yeah captain Buggy is a saviour, unintentionally helping save Ace. But I think by next chapter the Marines should catch up to the ID prisoners and stop the last video transmission.

[Trikz]

I think segoku was more bothered about people seeing WB's assassination thats why he wanted the cameras turned of bcus he knew Squardo was about to stab WB. And also just after sengoku order the cameras to be turned of Squuardo showed up when he had been missing so he is most probably working with the WG.

[beastboy]

IMO that was lelouch who used is geass on Squad right after he said that sentence!!
Notice that we don't have a look at his eyes so we can't say they're not red!!

hahaha I bet my 2 cents in:
Some One invisible was trying to kill WB, but Squardo saw it and piearce hime and WB at the same time, knowing that that isn't going to kill him!!

ps: WB eyes aren't the eyes of an injured person.. are the eyes of a surprised person ^^!
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/179/08/ those are the eyes of an injured people!

[Lee-tyme7]

who is this Squado guy anyway? Have we seen him in the manga or anime? I can't remember and how are we suppose to be emotionally felt betrayed by him if there wasn't much character development on his part. Why stab WB is he a spy? didn't say.
WB looks like he was caught off guard too guess he really trust him that much for some reason. If there's a spy on board WB ship that make me wonder how many more there are within his crewmates.
First BB now Sqaudo? Could BB actually be innocent then? Maybe he kill Thatch cus Thatch was a spy? By the way BB spoke about dreams and stuff he doesn't seem to be all that bad but he did kill a crewmate. Did WB try to stop Ace from going after BB cus he sense BB is dangerous or cus he know something that he couldn't tell?

[Bugzee]

I think segoku was more bothered about people seeing WB's assassination thats why he wanted the cameras turned of bcus he knew Squardo was about to stab WB. And also just after sengoku order the cameras to be turned of Squuardo showed up when he had been missing so he is most probably working with the WG.

Thats a possibility, i think its one to consider - Squardo would benefit greatly - imo hes with the WG!

Didn't Marco recognise a group of Squad members near WB?? might be an ambush then!! They might hold him hostage (for the time being) and request all WB pirates to surrender! Ace & WB in the bag for the marines! (I know doesnt sound good to me as well, i dont want that to happen but hey im just thinking!)

It would be a perfect time for someone to make an appearance...hehehe :tem

[beastboy]

Squad is a NW captain.. and the person wich WB was going to put in charge of the whole fleet!
Waiting for the fake spoilers :)

[Ykee]

You know maybe that Squardo isn't the only trator and that next week we're gonna see chaos among Pirates.

I don't get why everyone is so surprised at this, they are pirates and Whitebeard is just a pain for most of them as Crocodile said back in Impel Down.

The best way to take him down was to pretend to be his ally during this War actually.

[Bugzee]

You know maybe that Squardo isn't the only trator and that next week we're gonna see chaos among Pirates.

I don't get why everyone is so surprised at this, they are pirates and Whitebeard is just a pain for most of them as Crocodile said back in Impel Down.

The best way to take him down was to pretend to be his ally during this War actually.

Well, thats true. But it was suprising for me because i didn't expect this weeks chapter to focus on WB let alone him being attacked/stabbed!!! I thought the focus would be on the PX's, Sento and Luffy having another obstacle!

Its gonna be interesting whether its gonna be a huge pirate brawl on the battlefield lol. I didn't think there would be more then 10-12 PX's in production :XD

[ScratchmenApoo]

Oh am I glad the spoilers for the computer bug fruit were wrong !
PX army owning everyone and Buggy getting even more fame, Whitebeard getting stabbed in the chest... Epic chapter...
I think after this, the war will begin to end... Whitebeard is critically wounded, and needs to be tended, so the pirates will probably just get Ace really fast, and retreat. Without Whitebeard, their morale is really low, so they won't win this battle.

[TheWhitebeard]

that was so bad -.- maybe stop reading this manga if oda doenst write that good...i mean a someone (in german: Hans-Wurst) comes along, we never really see him and i say hes not really strong, not a level with marco and kizaru etc.,...really bad

[chess4]

its good we got to see 7 other confirmed commanders for WB's crew.

i can say i saw one of the NW pirates double crossing WB a mile away. 2 of the shichibukai betrayed the WG, so its not unlikely that the NW pirates were all on the up and up.

crocodile said there are aq lot of silver medalist pirates out there gunning for the top, and im sure that squado is one of them.

i cant wait to see what happens to WB next chapter. seems like luffy will go to the platform with jinbei.

[hamad138]

Oh am I glad the spoilers for the computer bug fruit were wrong !
PX army owning everyone and Buggy getting even more fame, Whitebeard getting stabbed in the chest... Epic chapter...
I think after this, the war will begin to end... Whitebeard is critically wounded, and needs to be tended, so the pirates will probably just get Ace really fast, and retreat. Without Whitebeard, their morale is really low, so they won't win this battle.

HOW DO YOU THINK WB CAN GO DOWN SO EASY?
HES THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD STRONGER THAN ANY OTHER CHARACTER IN ONE PIECE. HE FOUGHT ROGER(PIRATE KING).

YOU MUST THINK, WHEN ZORRO CAN SURVIVE MANY HITS WHY WB DONT?

I THINK WHITEBEARD WILL UNLEAS HIS HAKI AND KICK THEM ALL AND THAN SENGOKU WILL ATTACK HIM ( THIS IS HIS CHANCE , BECAUSE HES WOUNDED, it is his last HOPE FOR BEATING HIM!)

[Finale]

There are a bunch of PXs but i would think that many of the NW captains should be able to fight at or near the level of one of them. Not to mention that the NW captains should have strong subordinates themselves. Also like Roger before him, the Marines want the world to think that they killed WB and not that he was betrayed as that makes them look weak. Also im hoping to see more from Luffy than him getting tossed around like a pinball. He has needed to be protected almost every step of the way.

[Bugzee]

I get the feeling Sengoku will actually go into battle as well! I bet just b4 he does something else happens...hehe

WB releasing his haki would be awesome, but would it have an effect on the PX's??? Thats the problem right now!

[Superman]

Ha i knew that Sengok was planning to cirle them in. Oda researched again just google "Battle of Cannae"!! I wrote it weeks ago in hear.

I think WB will go and destroy a few Pacifistas with the sword in his belly! He will fight to the last breath like a spartan!!

[chess4]

I get the feeling Sengoku will actually go into battle as well! I bet just b4 he does something else happens...hehe

WB releasing his haki would be awesome, but would it have an effect on the PX's??? Thats the problem right now!

sengoku is definitely not leaving ace's side. i dont think he trust garp that much to leave him alonw with ace. i think luffy will make his way to the platform and garp will have to make a choice............let his boys die or betray the WG. i think we all know what he will do. so i would say 4 to 5 chapters from now.............we will see garp and sengoku duke it out

[hasin]

now it is pretty clear that Sengoku is trying to get the pirates at one place, so that he can use an ancient weapon on them. it is the best opportunity to explain more about ancient weapons...

[Lunatic Scream]

Squad disappears to work with Sengoku, leading to this strike on Whitebeard. He really doesn't need a reason to attack Whitebeard. Every pirate in the New World is in competition for One Piece, expecting an alliance to work flawlessly'd be naive. This won't kill Whitebeard, but I doubt he'll survive the war. If Sengoku is really planning to use an ancient weapon (which is really the only way he could concievably wipe out EVERY pirate in that bay), Whitebeard's final moments might be directly countering an ancient weapon by himself, which would be pretty awesome.

[BlackHair]

Oda sure is the man. Changing from comedy to instant seriousness. The indirect argument of Buggy and Sengoku was just hilarious and awesome.

[dacookester]

if these spoilers wer from nja he has once again made up spoilers remember the tsunami defeating half of the marines what happend to doflamingo beating a pacifta or the robot guy takin them out aswell

[cachaco99]

this chapter was better than last weeks chapter in a way. it was pretty sick but it still didnt have that epic-ness i've seen many times before.

its cool that they showed more division captains but i hoped for some names.

about squad-it said in the spoilers that he was a marine spy but in the chapter it said nothing of the sort. he could just be a pirate looking to be famous or the more obvious answer would be that doflamingo controlled him.

also that chick with the guns. is that a guy or a girl? im hoping its a girl even though in the spoilers it said it was a guy. i hate how some anime so a clearing woman looking character and say its a dude. like haku from naruto and the guy/girl from rouroni kenshin. its better to say they are chicks, you know?

but anyways it still didnt have "it" as far as epic-ness goes in my opinion

[Dim]

i doubt Dofla was controlling him as he was conscious of what he was doing not like when the div 14 was getting controlled etc

im still going with my first guess that he got smashed by whitebeard and this is a perfect option- keep you allies close and your enemies closer!
man whitebeards face- i doubt he hit any vital organs but still... the other Division captains have no chance against Kizaru...

Squad looks like a a backstabber sucha lil dirty fuk
he may have an agreement with Dofla somehow as donfla has huge plans always

but id say more so with the silver medalist hting
or for the WG

BB is very unlikely as he hasnt reached the new world etc

[Musashi_Keiji]

Wow Luffy gets even more reinforcements from some seriously strong people. Buggy saves the day by having a camera on. And whitebeard unexpectedly stabbed through the chest at the end. One Piece never dissappoints with the excitement!

For me trying to predict one piece is nigh impossible. Just going on a whim on how Shanks asked whitebeard to call off Ace from chasing BB, i think he might just show up.

[Nonlife]

Once again, Oda surprised us. No, I remember people stated WB was going to die, but I never thought it would be someone other than Blackbeard. Of course, if Blackbeard did kill WB, his power would be none to all - especially the World Government, who'd consider him a future threat before he turns against them. I Never expected this "squad captain" to do it, which may be two different reasons:
1. Donflamingo controlled him
2. He's a government spy
3. He's got some transformation ability (it's possible, it seems there are numerous fire-type devil fruit users, so why not transformation users as well)

All in all, BB is going to be pissed he missed his chance to take out his former "caretaker." If that guy is really a government spy, BB would kill him off the side, unless he gets there like in the next chapter.

[Bugzee]

LOL i think BB is gonna acknowledge Squardo for doing such a thing! Zehahahaha something like that anyway lol.

Those squad captains who aided Luffy this chapter, they look so cool :XD!
I love that Shark-mermen (killer whale or great white shark looking like mermen?) i wanna see his abilities!!! Anyway, the pirates are receiving a lot of casualties this chapter from the PX's! Will the real Kuma - come back to life to his senses?

[OldSkOoL]

Once again, Oda surprised us. No, I remember people stated WB was going to die, but I never thought it would be someone other than Blackbeard.

I'll wait until the next chapter so see if Whitebeard really is dead, Plenty of people in OP have been stabbed and recovered fine.

[Razh]

Could people just stop regarding the possibility that Doflamingo controlled Squad?
Doflamingo can't control what people under his control will say, let alone make them lie or be sarcastic.

[Cruewk]

Goddamit, every third page of this discussion is almost identical. Why are people so lazy?

'Cause people have lives and don't have time to read 10 pages of thread every day.




He probably went to get it on his ship. It's not really important and it was discussed couple of pages back.

It has to be important or have some sort of significance. I don't understand why Oda would give us a a picture of Squardo stabbing WB with another sword when he has a sheathed sword clearly in the right side of him. Squardo could have just as easily stabbed WB with that one.

[Dim]

yeh dofla controlling the squad guy isnt likely! im not going to repeat what i said before lol...
i like the idea of squad being dead and moria summoned his shadow or soemthing or used his body but again that unlikely

i think hes panicked and realised he might lose his crew- based on teh fact that he is complaining about whiterbeard mkaing orders and everyone put there crew at risk for the white beard pirates

why the fark did he come then! whitebeard doesnt seem like the guy to threatyen ppl to join

most of those ppl seem to respect him from the new world! but then again who knows, maybe his tie with whitebeard isnt that good

[chess4]

the WB pirates are tough..................the strawhats have a long way to go to get to that level.

[Razh]

'Cause people have lives and don't have time to read 10 pages of thread every day.

I just skim through them. Anything interesting catches my eye.
And please, not "people have lives" argument. That's no excuse. Forum discussions should retain some level of quality. Stuff like this happens not because people don't check last 10 pages, but because they don't check last 3 pages.
Also, if you have such a busy life, why waste time here anyway?


It has to be important or have some sort of significance. I don't understand why Oda would give us a a picture of Squardo stabbing WB with another sword when he has a sheathed sword clearly in the right side of him. Squardo could have just as easily stabbed WB with that one.

He went for a bigger sword if you haven't noticed. Whitebeard is a very big man. That other, smaller sword wouldn't cause as much damage as this one.
Why didn't he take it from the start, who knows. Maybe there's a special reason, and maybe there isn't any reason at all.
He had to disappear anyway. It's not like he could get to Whitebeard if he was fighting in the front lines and leading other pirates. He probably knew that Whitebeard would choose him to command.

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Very good chapter, I wish I hadn't read the spoilers, ending would have been more surprising, definitely had a more war feel to it this chapter.

[Cruewk]

He went for a bigger sword if you haven't noticed. Whitebeard is a very big man. That other, smaller sword wouldn't cause as much damage as this one.
Why didn't he take it from the start, who knows. Maybe there's a special reason, and maybe there isn't any reason at all.
He had to disappear anyway. It's not like he could get to Whitebeard if he was fighting in the front lines and leading other pirates. He probably knew that Whitebeard would choose him to command.

That's not very manga-like at all which is why I'm suspicious. Logically, a bigger sword would cause more harm than a smaller one; but generally in manga, the size of the sword doesn't matter as much as who is wielding it.That is why I'd think Squad would have the same effect with his regular sword. I'd guess that the bigger sword is his real one and might give us some clue to who he really is.

Of course, I may be completely off. I just don't think it's very Oda-like to have such a big clue and not go anywhere with it.

[AiddonValentine]

I really have no clue what to think of Squad; having random character #467589-B take out an epic figure like Whitebeard is a bit anti-climactic. Hopefully Oda clears this up soon because there wasn't any sort of build up towards this (unless you wanna count Croc's comments earlier). I just want Ace to get saved already so we can get back to funsies.

[k-dom]

I too have the feeling that the war is going towards its end.
Also I'm not sure about the marine strategy now. With the PX they are force to retreat toward the plaza, which mean it will be more easy for the pirate to reach Ace as the captain noticed.

[Lord Rayleigh]

Don't think that Squardo took out WB. Who could think that WB is already dead because of that ? Who could expect the King of the sea to fall before Squardo's feet ?
Squardo injured badly WB but he did not kill him. I expect WB to beat him quickly and to run towards Ace like he said he would do before Squardo stabbed him. I think that will be the fatal wound that will provoke his death but alone it is not enough to make him die : he must fight in this state against strong guys and do something to save Ace before dying. He is not the kind of guy you can take out so easily with a single attack. Come on, he is the Whitebeard !

[Dim]

squad may have used another sword as he has prob seen whtiebeard fight or been stabbed- i know its a stupid predicition but whitebeard wil;l probably shatter that sword...
most swordsman take pride in there swords and taking care of them, so squad will prob try fighting whitebeard with his own sowrd after this... for some reason i think squad knows this is suicide :(

[Razh]

That's not very manga-like at all which is why I'm suspicious. Logically, a bigger sword would cause more harm than a smaller one; but generally in manga, the size of the sword doesn't matter as much as who is wielding it.That is why I'd think Squad would have the same effect with his regular sword. I'd guess that the bigger sword is his real one and might give us some clue to who he really is.

Of course, I may be completely off. I just don't think it's very Oda-like to have such a big clue and not go anywhere with it.

We can guess and guess but we probably won't get anywhere before the next chapter, or confirmed spoilers at least.
So, here's the possibilities:

Squad just took the bigger sword because it has a higher chance of causing serious damage to man as big as Whitebeard.
Squad went to get the sword of his family member or friend whom Whitebeard killed or ruined.
The bigger sword is poisoned and Squad didn't want to risk poisoning himself by poisoning his regular sword, and besides, the other sword is bigger so it can contain more poison.
Squad's other sword is a snake zoan. If it's a zoan, I can't imagine any other animal which would be of use in this situation.


I think it's option 2. He carried the sword sheathed, as if he held it on his ship for a special opportunity. If it was his regular weapon, he would have entered the battle with it from the start.

Also, I've been thinking how his name could point to his abilities, but no such luck. I've found a flower called Swirling Spider. That's a dead end.
Spiders swirl when they descend with their web...
That's about it.

[beastboy]

that swirl must be cause of his swirl->jump-> stab wich looks like is favourite move!!

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Squardo is a pretty brave guy, the most powerful of pirates will be after his head.

[Dim]

something i didint mention we will prob see a fight between squads crew and some the whitebeards or other new world captains!

prob those two brothers crew! that would be sweet as we have seen limited new world captain action :(

[Rotten The Wizard]

I wont give Oda shit If WB dies like this. Afterall he wasnt outmatched. he was taken out by someone who he trusted and let his guard down

Im sure Oda will Make up for this By having another Big name come in and show the marines real Terror. I would say rayleigh but he's only strong enough to hold off 1 admiral.

Give me SHANKS!!!!!!!!!
He doesnt have to meet luffy, its a battlefield of Chaos. Shanks and his fleet can take on the marines while Luffy makes a run for it with ace to the nw

[exacta]

Although this war seems to be moving slow, I'm starting to really enjoy this......I hope Oda really does have Buggy become a Shichibukai, that would be awesome. No way is Whitebeard dead from that though. Hell, if Luffy could survive bathing in Magellans poison, I expect Whitebeard to at least not die from this wound alone.

I don't think it matters that Squardo stabbed him with his bigger sword and not his small one. I mean, its freaking Whitebeard. He's big by himself, so naturally a bigger weapon would do more damage, and again, he's freaking Whitebeard, if you want to take him down you need to do as much damage as possible. And that one stab might be the only opening Squad gets...

[Dim]

i dunno if shanks would turn up... doesnt seem likely but it could as he was mentioned whilst whitebeard initally made his move- its not that unlikely i mean whtiebeard prob sent a message to msot of the new world captains, however i think two yonkou is a bit much!

im betting there are mor e pacifistas as well! 20 would get smashed by 40+ new world captain and crew + whtie beard pirates only prob is theres mariens as well

the way ive estimated is 1.5 pacifistas is equal to 1 straw hat crew!
and id like to think most of the new world crews are at least on par with the straw hats if not stronger (alot)

[AiddonValentine]

Shanks probably isn't going to show up as his appearance is something to be saved for the end game of the series. The only big name that might show up is Dragon. I actually hope the brawl ends soon as it's getting kinda tiring now and the Marines really need a spanking.

[Junior]

I wont give Oda shit If WB dies like this. Afterall he wasnt outmatched. he was taken out by someone who he trusted and let his guard down

Really?

You wont be mad if the man who's supposed to be the STRONGEST pirate on the seas dies like this?

Now I wont be mad enough to boycott the series forever (I could never be that mad) but it will disappoint me greatly. I figured from the start that Whitebeard would die but I wanted him to die in a manner fitting of a man of his stature..

I mean, I guess Gol D. Roger's end came in n a piss poor way..dying from a disease and then executed... but at least he had a good monologue at the end.

If/when Whitebeard dies I want it to be special. He has to do/say something to inspire his men (especially Ace) to fight on. Dying like this just doesn't seem right.

And besides have you seen how many wounds decorate Whitebard's body? He has surely been stabbed before.

[Nonlife]

I'll wait until the next chapter so see if Whitebeard really is dead, Plenty of people in OP have been stabbed and recovered fine.

I know it's not exactly "when the fat lady sings" - I'm just saying it at the moment. I don't hate WB, but I always thought sometime, somehow, BB would be the "douchbag" and kick WB ass, until someone, like Luffy, kicks his ass...somehow.
[hr]

Really?

You wont be mad if the man who's supposed to be the STRONGEST pirate on the seas dies like this?

Now I wont be mad enough to boycott the series forever (I could never be that mad) but it will disappoint me greatly. I figured from the start that Whitebeard would die but I wanted him to die in a manner fitting of a man of his stature..

I mean, I guess Gol D. Roger's end came in n a piss poor way..dying from a disease and then executed... but at least he had a good monologue at the end.

If/when Whitebeard dies I want it to be special. He has to do/say something to inspire his men (especially Ace) to fight on. Dying like this just doesn't seem right.

And besides have you seen how many wounds decorate Whitebard's body? He has surely been stabbed before.

Like the old sayings: "Best 3 out of 4" or "1 down, 3 to go.

[Dim]

some of you guys are kidding yourselves- whitebeard dying form being stabbed

luffy back in the days was shanked by croc with poision like twice and had the will to sruvive and beat him...

whitebeard has his kid on the line what makes you think he would ever give up???
white beard is going to smash squad and then make his move to help out on the battlefield!

id like him to smash a couple pacifistas and an admiral!

[DRAGON-PEIN-SAMA]

Once again, Oda surprised us. No, I remember people stated WB was going to die, but I never thought it would be someone other than Blackbeard. Of course, if Blackbeard did kill WB, his power would be none to all - especially the World Government, who'd consider him a future threat before he turns against them. I Never expected this "squad captain" to do it, which may be two different reasons:
1. Donflamingo controlled him
2. He's a government spy
3. He's got some transformation ability (it's possible, it seems there are numerous fire-type devil fruit users, so why not transformation users as well)

All in all, BB is going to be pissed he missed his chance to take out his former "caretaker." If that guy is really a government spy, BB would kill him off the side, unless he gets there like in the next chapter.

Omg, it is just so amazing how people overrate BB so much. There is no way in hell BB can even even have the guts to even look at WB in the eyes let alone fight and defeat him. While it is true BB has ONE of the strongest abilities there is, but its nowhere near as strong as WB's destructive ability, which as we all know using his DF might be the only way for BB to resist a little bit against him.

[Dim]

yeh i agree i cant see black beard turning up and killing whitebeard unless the old man is already about to die!
i hoep black beard died against magellan lol would make sense!
all i know it wont be good for the moral of the pirates if whitebeard shows heaps of weakness throughout this battle!

but no odubt he was suprised!

[Poneglyph420]

Without knowing Squardo's motives I can't see why he'd do something so foolish. Of course this alone won't put WB down.. It's a impaling attack, it will have an affect..
Even on the "King of the seas".

I also thought.. WB said to Squardo he was going to fight with everyone. It could be a foolish attempt to "save" WB. Just a thought..

For sure we will see if everyone can keep morale and save Ace. Luffy's on the way for sure. I think Jimbei and eventually Iva will help Luffy while the others keep the Marines and PX's busy.

[maaghms]

Unfortunately, most of the people here seem to be in denial stage..about WB. let's face it, wb is a human being. of course, he'll get hurt. Die? Not likely yet. Some people mentioned about zoro. But has zoro ever gotten impaled like this? For wb, you could see the whole sword going from the front near the ribcage to go out from the other end near the lungs. zoro has gotten slashed, blah blah blah. But flesh wounds are possible to heal. But when somebody gets impaled like this, not even wb is going to be 100% after this, i.e. if he doesn't die from it. If you think a human being getting his ribs broken and getting his lungs punctured is not serious, i think some biology lessons should be in order.

And how are punctured lungs and broken ribs supposed to heal that easily? Unless of course, he's got cure-cure devil fruit which he doesn't.

So what happens if wb dies like this? am i going to boycott the manga? No. why? Because it just shows how realistic one piece can be! Much better than some manga where an individual does not seem to die even after the whole body cutting cleanly into two pieces.

[llmcduff]

Hopefully, we'll be able to say, White Beard Lives!, by the end of the arc.

[blackking187]

is it possible that the pacifista's are stronger then on sharbondy island
maybe vegapunk makes each pacifista stronger after sending them out.
Maybe a pacifsta is just as strong as a admiral.

Hope we will whitebeard and hopefully ace in action ace in kill mode

predict that the sword is poison and that probably some new world crews are on squardo's side.

Too bad zorro isn't here the war would be good experience for him.

[AiddonValentine]

morbid "realism" is really just boring and One Piece isn't that; this is shounen, not seinen (i.e. Berserk, Monster, etc) and as such I don't really care for people thinking death is somehow the end-all be-all of drama. Plus I'm really wondering why Oda decided to use a non-character out of nowhere for this.

[Dim]

to early for the strawhats to be there they arent strong enough!
and luffy was implaed and he still managed to fight in the arabasta arc!!!!
you canott compare a manga to life... luffy heals eating meat??? lol
since kuma has been upgraded apparenlty as the ultimate weapon it is likely that the ohter PX's have some new techniques
it looked like they could FLY???
but that shouldnt be a problem we have a friend in the sky MARCO lol
i wonder if a PX could have a DF that would be dangerous!

white beard will go strong... even at a qoaurter of his strength he can still own luffy-
think abotu it whtiebeards slam smashed that VA luffys had to sue gear 3rd his strongest attack to take down a giant!

[Nonlife]

Omg, it is just so amazing how people overrate BB so much. There is no way in hell BB can even even have the guts to even look at WB in the eyes let alone fight and defeat him. While it is true BB has ONE of the strongest abilities there is, but its nowhere near as strong as WB's destructive ability, which as we all know using his DF might be the only way for BB to resist a little bit against him.

Well, EXCUSE ME for being speculative. It was just a hint since BB's been keeping his fruit power a secret (and given its ability) WB would be caught offguard by the whole "gravity"/rebound power. And I'm not being absolute that WB's initially dead after this chapter (Oda's surprised us before) I'm just more curious as to why the Squad captain did it: treachery, puppet-controlled,etc.?

[kkck]

The more I see the chapter, the more I can't believe WB will die or is out of the fight. It is simply WAY to soon to kill the guy. Not only it will bring down the morale of the entire pirate side but they also lose a fighter who represents a significant portion of the fighting power of the pirates. Not to mention he was a brilliant strategist. Also, seeing squado it simply does not seem like the guy intended to betray WB. It is true he disappeared for a while but his actions right before attacking WB do not scream "traitor" IMHO. I have the impression the next few chapters will be one of those in which oda surprises us all with a WTF, WTH just happened twist(like he has done many, many, many MANY times before). I mean, we haven't even seen WB go all out. I would not really be surprise if squado has some sort of ability which is triggered by actually doing that lol. It'd be interesting if it turns out squado can make WB young once again by stabbing him and give his life up LOL(you heard it here first lol).....

[elitefox]

wow luffy's hat after all the fights still stand strong lol...

and wb can't stand 1 hit, yeah fatal but still I think is a miss in the heart :D

[Ero-Sanji]

Unfortunately, most of the people here seem to be in denial stage..about WB. let's face it, wb is a human being. of course, he'll get hurt. Die? Not likely yet. Some people mentioned about zoro. But has zoro ever gotten impaled like this? For wb, you could see the whole sword going from the front near the ribcage to go out from the other end near the lungs. zoro has gotten slashed, blah blah blah. But flesh wounds are possible to heal. But when somebody gets impaled like this, not even wb is going to be 100% after this, i.e. if he doesn't die from it. If you think a human being getting his ribs broken and getting his lungs punctured is not serious, i think some biology lessons should be in order.

And how are punctured lungs and broken ribs supposed to heal that easily? Unless of course, he's got cure-cure devil fruit which he doesn't.

So what happens if wb dies like this? am i going to boycott the manga? No. why? Because it just shows how realistic one piece can be! Much better than some manga where an individual does not seem to die even after the whole body cutting cleanly into two pieces.


No disrespect but did you miss the whole part when Pell was blown away? Well he survived with minor wounds that is...

Anyway, WB isn't done for I mean come on it's too early or is it?
The revolutionary army could be on it's way so this could be a perfect time for WB to end his life with something spectacular and when his flashback and wish for Ace to live are complete a dark figure stands on top of a building!

Now that would be nice:D

[Raigon]

No disrespect but did you miss the whole part when Pell was blown away? Well he survived with minor wounds that is...

Anyway, WB isn't done for I mean come on it's too early or is it?
The revolutionary army could be on it's way so this could be a perfect time for WB to end his life with something spectacular and when his flashback and wish for Ace to live are complete a dark figure stands on top of a building!

Now that would be nice:D

That I have to agree with. I doubt Whitebeard's going to die that easily. People've been impaled before and still fully recovered. Remember Luffy being impaled by Crocodile and then have his entire body dehydrated?

Why do I think that the impalement of the sword is not betrayal, but rather a power up for Whitebeard? If it is indeed a betrayal, Blackbeard's crew?

It's too soon for Whitebeard to die. And in fact, no significant human character has died except in flash backs. None. Unless Oda's finally going to kill someone off, but it's too early. Where's the revolutionary army? Where's the other yonkous? Where's Luffy's crew? WHERE'S BLACK BEARD?

This is not the end. I hope Oda's going to come back and scare us with a WTF I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT kind of twist. I miss those twists.

Good chapter. I loved the end. Makes one really think, what's going on?

[loloy]

wow luffy's hat after all the fights still stand strong lol...

yeah
luffy's hat is just amazing

[kkck]

yeah
luffy's hat is just amazing

Probably made from chucks norris hair lol......

[gotdott]

hey guys im new to posting and i know this is a bit off topic or maybe it's not, but my first glance at squardo in this chapter reminded me of starscream, and i felt that there was no way he was a good character.

there is something fishy though, since squardo looks all beat up. anyway the only prediction i can see coming true next chapter for sure is mihawk winning against his opponent, since i think there's no way zoro's future opponent would possibly lose to another swordsman at this stage in the manga.

[pirateninjahunter]

Maybe what happened to squalo was: He left the battlefield to receive a proposal to become a shichibukai.

Did you see that many people were surprised at the attack from squalo, but NOT PEOPLE FROM THE MARINES!

[slippy]

i can easily see squardo being a spy from the marine side. but having someone like squardo who just showed up 10 chapters ago be the one to kill/injure whitebeard doesn't really sit well with me. so, i'm hoping that the stab has none or little effect on whitebeard and he just pulls it out, snaps the sword, then snaps squardo.

i kept looking at the final panels seeing if it could possibly be some sort of hoax but it seems like the real thing. so, i'm just hoping whitebeard is strong enough to handle a sword through the stomach =/

[maaghms]

No disrespect but did you miss the whole part when Pell was blown away? Well he survived with minor wounds that is...


indeed, i did. :p but he could have flown to safety above with the pressure of the explosion itself

[natsu32]

its time for shanks or dragon to apear.someone has to stop the execution right?

[Black Lagoon]

It would be really ironic if WB dies now. We've all been waiting to see WB have a major fight and doing something for two months and now he gets cut down by a random minor character (with all due respect an a$$hole :p). But I guess this will never happen till the war is over or Ace's safe. :)

its time for shanks or dragon to apear.someone has to stop the execution right?
Nah, they have better/more things to do. :amuse

[Shadoguardian]

Luffy (even if he is the hero) has been impaled, dried up, poisoned and sliced in the head. If he can survive all that before even becoming a "Supernova". As the worlds strongest man, and a "Yonkou", even if he is old (and perhaps sick), if he can't handle being stabbed, then all that hype was for nothing.

Chances are that the wound might have been inflicted just to keep Whitebeard out of action. For all we know it might be Squardo's own psychotic sense of loyalty to WB, to keep him on the ship so that he doesn't get killed on the battlefield.

[Black Lagoon]

Luffy (even if he is the hero) has been impaled, dried up, poisoned and sliced in the head. If he can survive all that before even becoming a "Supernova". As the worlds strongest man, and a "Yonkou", even if he is old (and perhaps sick), if he can't handle being stabbed, then all that hype was for nothing.

this is one of the big differences between One piece and Bleach, where the main character is the stronger character in the story, but in one piece the main character might be tortured, poisoned, defeated ... ;)

[zagorka]

Whitebeard has been seen not being too healthy. But even now, with his health condition and his stab wound, I doubt that this is the end for him. At most, this is probably an embarrassment, not being able to foresee or understand that there was an enemy beside him. And the morale for the WB pirates will lessen, making the Marines have the upper-hand. I do see Whitebeard dying, but this stab wound is only in my opinion a scratch.

I wonder if Luffy will get pissed to the point of exhibiting his haki. Or even Ace for that matter.

[enlightened monkey]

Squado: "M'stab you, boss. Spider!!!" *stab*

WB: "My eyes can go white too. Check out the black panels, you ugly asshole. (Background: Squado 'Your one to talk') You're a tenth my size and I'm the strongest pirate in the world."

Squado: "I know you're so totally screwed."

[maaghms]

this is one of the big differences between One piece and Bleach, where the main character is the stronger character in the story, but in one piece the main character might be tortured, poisoned, defeated ... ;)


lol...i'd agree...my memories of earlier op chapters have become hazy..but did luffy actually ever get tortured by an enemy such as for extracting information purposes? :amuse


At most, this is probably an embarrassment, not being able to foresee or understand that there was an enemy beside him. And the morale for the WB pirates will lessen, making the Marines have the upper-hand. I do see Whitebeard dying, but this stab wound is only in my opinion a scratch.



yap..may be a bit of an embarrassment not to have foreseen such a traitorous action from his 'son'...it's clear that he didn't really learn his lesson from black beard...

but the wound being only a scratch...um..i'm not really sure about that as i can clearly see the sword going in from one end and exiting from the other side ;)

[Gol.D.Roger]

The more I read the chapter over and over again.. the more suspicious I get of Squardo's betrayel... I think there might be the possibility that Squardo is doing what in his mind is the right thing, which could be:

1. Injure WB so that the WB pirates will retreat away before it's too late, saving a lot of people he cares about, except Ace.


2. Kill WB, and leaving the rest of the WB Crew with little hope of winning, and thus, the only option would be to retreat. I am assuming Marco would take over as soon as WB dies or is mortally injured... If Squardo thinks that Marco is likely to give the retreat order, but never WB... this might be his sick twisted logic.


Of course the most obvious answer is that Sqaurdo is just a simple villian/spy and has fooled them for years... but this just seems too obvious for Oda... I sense something more is going on with Squardo. I think he made his decision to kill/injure WB after seeing the Pacifistas... he specifically wants to know what WB is planning to do.. when he hears what he thought he would hear (total foolish strategy of charging foward) he decides to save a majority of the WB crew, but sacrifice WB, Ace and Himself... because Marco/Jozu will definitely kill him.

I am really going to be dissapointed if WB and Ace both die... wow.. that would just be a trainwreck... Luffy might go insane... Luffy will probalby live for sure... because no matter what happens... Hancock will get him out of there... if not Marco.

[BlackHair]

its time for shanks or dragon to apear.someone has to stop the execution right?Why do u think WB and Luffy are there?

I agree with those who are saying that Squardo might have acted for the pirates sake or for his own good. His word before stabbing WB aren't those of a spy, just my opinon.

[Schabrak]

You don't sneak to somebody you want to assasinate and tell him that you have bad intentions right before him.-_- Whitebeard could just have created a quake into Squardo in that moment, crushing him completely. I really doubt peoples thougt lanes//paths here sometimes.

[BlackHair]

Well first off he didn't sneak or anything. He was trusted by WB, thus he can walk freely in WB's presence. He could have easily attacked him without those lines. If he was just a mere spy then those words were unnecessary. That's why I believe he isn't a spy of the WG. It would make more sense if he acted for his own pirate crew, since they are currently on the loosing side. I mean sacrificing many pirates just to save one allied pirate is maybe not worth in Squardo's eyes.

Of course that's just one of many possibilites. He could be a spy as well. Im just throwing ideas into the discussion.


I really doubt peoples thougt lanes//paths here sometimes.Trust me I agree.

[WIzarDE]

Oh come on I mean a weak character like Buggy has just been seen to be perfectly fine after having a bomb explode to his face, and you think a pirate like whitebeard is going to die of a stab wound , after all we’ve heard and all the hype generated by the fact he is a younko. In One Piece the only way I will believe a character dies is not if he get shot, stabbed or blown up… it will be with a nice decapitation, yup the only reason the Pirate King is dead is because of the disease and not because of the wound inflicted on the execution … what can I say it’s One Piece :P and I like it ! ;D

[hmalik1003]

im tired of people saying squardo is a new character...he has been around since chapter 434 as far as i can remember and he probrably is a spy. Way back when the marines got information that shanks was meeting newgate, it was probrably due to scouting on squardo's part.

thats my little theory n e way

[Black Lagoon]

lol...i'd agree...my memories of earlier op chapters have become hazy..but did luffy actually ever get tortured by an enemy such as for extracting information purposes? :amuse

well, don't take the word tortured literally :facepalm, remember this (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/538/02/).

In the beginning I really thought the pirates had such a huge advantage, just by the looks of all of them. But so far they are taking the most beatings, however, the NW captains are there and a possible force to join "WB" in this war is still shining in the horizon. :amuse

[BlackHair]

Although this war seems to be moving slowI thought u were reading Bleach as well? :p


im tired of people saying squardo is a new character...he has been around since chapter 434 as far as i can remember and he probrably is a spy. Way back when the marines got information that shanks was meeting newgate, it was probrably due to scouting on squardo's part.

thats my little theory n e wayI just checked with hopes Chapter 434 and couldn't find Squardo. I might have missed him, so plz be free to post the page to support ur idea. As far as I know he was firstly introduced in chapter 551, which is kinda new.


Oh come on I mean a weak character like Buggy has just been seen to be perfectly fine after having a bomb explode to his face, and you think a pirate like whitebeard is going to die of a stab wound , after all we’ve heard and all the hype generated by the fact he is a younko. In One Piece the only way I will believe a character dies is not if he get shot, stabbed or blown up… it will be with a nice decapitation, yup the only reason the Pirate King is dead is because of the disease and not because of the wound inflicted on the execution … what can I say it’s One Piece :P and I like it ! ;DWell Im not thinking he is going to die. After all a charckter as hyped as him deserves a better last moment than that. Also Oda didn't even let him fight. So he simply can't die from that. I believe that this wound may the reason for his later fall. But without a proper last fight and with dialogues, he can't die. Oda is not Kubo, who trashed his character after hype (Espada).

Anyway about the bomb vs WB wound thing, it is about panels and frames. Oda gave WB's wound a bigger frame than Buggy's bomb. Naturally in our world Buggy's case would be more dangerous and life threatening, however in the manga world everything is about frames. Since WB got a double page, I believe his wound he way more serious than Buggys. But again, Im not saying he will die from that mere wound alone.

[Bugzee]

I think Squardo's attack on WB will play a role in WB's eventual death in this war! Its hard for me now to think WB will be totally fine at the end of this war and go back to the NW.

Maybe Garp will do something do soon because all attention is on WB now!!! But its still difficult because i think the Admirals are still on the platform.

[hypno]

I'd like to change a bit topic and spend 2 words on Buggy.

He will definitively being blamed for whatever mess Luffy'n'Co. are going to create. LOL

[taz7]

guys has anyone thought of the percentage that the one controlling squardo is DOFLAMINGO
its hard to believe that he would do that,.....................
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its hard to believe that but it could b possible

[Bugzee]

A lot of people have said it might or it is Doflamingo's doing, but the way in which Squardo was speaking to WB b4 the attack (and his manner) and then suddenly suprises WB with th attack seems to be imo his own intentions. But i guess we'll have to wait next chapter to see if its confirmed becuz quite a lot still believe it might've been Doflamingo!!

BTW - To hmalik1003 - I checked the Whitebeard Vs Red Haired Shanks chapter, and theres no talk or appearance from Squardo..you might've meant chapter 551 'Yonkou Whitebeard'!

Anyway, Its definte that Buggy's gonna get a bounty and become famous around the world! LOL i don't know how his gonna cope with the pressure and tracking from the marines once this war is over!

[RichardMNixon]

And imagine his old crew meeting his new crew... they're a bit outclassed.

[BluePheasant]

Surely Whitebeard is fast enough to dodge that. Even if he did trust him he surely should of dodged it incase. I think he stood there to look cool

[Gats]

I just checked with hopes Chapter 434 and couldn't find Squardo. I might have missed him, so plz be free to post the page to support ur idea. As far as I know he was firstly introduced in chapter 551, which is kinda new.


Chapter 434, page 6, in the background. But it is probably just a pirate who barely looks like him.

Maybe WB main weakness is "too much trust"... eh :p

[llamapie]

So if / when Luffy gets to ace, he has the key.. where did he put it?

Anywho I can see this fight resting on the shoulder of Luffy and Ace. :P Will be really cool once they join forces.

[patz]

It would be funny if Buggy is going to be a new Shichibukai after this war (takes Jimbei's place).

[Black Lagoon]

It would be funny if Buggy is going to be a new Shichibukai after this war (takes Jimbei's place).

:err Buggy?? Shichibukai?? :blink
why do you think he will work for the WG? besides the WG won't offer him that title for the simple reason he's screwing Sengoku's plan and people will lose the respect for the WG.

[Bugzee]

So if / when Luffy gets to ace, he has the key.. where did he put it?

Anywho I can see this fight resting on the shoulder of Luffy and Ace. :P Will be really cool once they join forces.

I think that would be really great! Luffy saves Ace, then both go and aid/protect WB! That would be awesome! I still can't believe that Garp will be just sitting on the platform without doing absolutely NOTHING!!!



It would be funny if Buggy is going to be a new Shichibukai after this war (takes Jimbei's place).

LOL Buggy a Schicibukai and his closest friend Shanks a Yonkou!

I wouldnt mind seeing that! But, i dont think Buggy would actually accept that...would he? He wants to become a Yonkou, LOL

[SenninSage]

The real Kuma will be knocked back to his senses, thanks to Luffy's Haki, and he's going to turn the tide of the entire war significantly by stomping all the Pacifista, along with Luffy making use of his Haki.

[pirateninjahunter]

Why is squad doing this against WB now?
I am sure that he had many opportunities to do it before.
I think that he has been proposed the shichibukai title? But which is better: being a shichibukai or being a WB ally?


The real Kuma will be knocked back to his senses, thanks to Luffy's Haki, and he's going to turn the tide of the entire war significantly by stomping all the Pacifista, along with Luffy making use of his Haki.

I don't think it could happen. Luffy is not even fighting kuma right now.

[Lee-tyme7]

It kinda make me chuckle when you think about it. WB have allies on the Marine side (Hancock via Luffy) and Sengoku have allies on the Pirates side.(Squad) LOL!!

[Lord Rayleigh]

im tired of people saying squardo is a new character...he has been around since chapter 434 as far as i can remember and he probrably is a spy. Way back when the marines got information that shanks was meeting newgate, it was probrably due to scouting on squardo's part.
434th chapter ? At first, I thought it was a mistake, but he hasn't even been introduced in the 534 chapters of OP. It was after the 550th and I don't have the time to look for the good one.

[taz7]

o man wt if he was being controlled by doflamingo?????

[Moroboshi]

So, in the end the great strategy Buggy was talking about in chapter 560, was to steal a denden mushi ant to performe that tv show???:D

[chess4]

I think Squardo's attack on WB will play a role in WB's eventual death in this war! Its hard for me now to think WB will be totally fine at the end of this war and go back to the NW.

Maybe Garp will do something do soon because all attention is on WB now!!! But its still difficult because i think the Admirals are still on the platform.

so do I. i have thought since this war was annouced WB was going to die by Blackbeards hand, but since Whitebeard is the strongest in the world, i knew BB couldnt beat him in a even fight. now since WB is injured(maybe).......i think teach can get the better of him, when he shows up

[Wowzers]

hahaha I bet my 2 cents in:
Some One invisible was trying to kill WB, but Squardo saw it and piearce hime and WB at the same time, knowing that that isn't going to kill him!!

Squardo: Oh! Sorry about that! There was this mosquito about to land on you...

WB: Oh! Perfectly all right! You missed it though... BAM Ah! That got it.
So, who's taking over for Squardo again?? :XD

[Black Lagoon]

I'm sure that If somehow the WG does "win", they will start setting up a base in the NW, although Shanks and the other Yonkous won't accept such an audacity. :mad
PS ("win"): they'll win if they kill Ace, but what I mean by win here is, if somehow they annihilate/defeat WB's pirates and his allies.

[sarutobi_sensei]

Hmm, I wouldn't call killing Ace a win. I'd call it the normal result.

Killing WB and the remaining Pirates, now that would be a win.

Lets face it.
WB is "the worlds strongest man". To take him down a force of 100000 Marines, the 3 admirals, A huge number of VA, Captains, etc and the Shichibukai + 1 Traitor is needed.

To Kill ace, a stab in the heart would've been good.

They want to take down WB and the other pirates so that they can be recognized as the ones that took down the worlds strongest man and then impose themselves on the new world, in which, they probably don't rule (or so we think).
[hr]
And can't I post one of Buggy's face from this chapter on my avatar?

[dacookester]

is doflamingo even a confirmed df user he might just use haki

but please its pretty obvios that squad acted on his own

[Lord Rayleigh]

It is not confirmed but it is very likely. We have never seen another one able to control people like Doflamingo does whereas we have always heard/seen more than one person able to use a kind of Haki. Indeed, the Kuja/normal Haki was used by a lot of amazons, the " Mantra " Haki was used by the snake sisters (and probably by Enel), and the King Haki by Luffy and Boa.

[beastboy]

Squardo: Oh! Sorry about that! There was this mosquito about to land on you...

WB: Oh! Perfectly all right! You missed it though... BAM Ah! That got it.
So, who's taking over for Squardo again?? :XD

I said that in a Portuguese forum tough!
but it was a fly not a mosquito:
http://www.forumanime-pt.com/-manga-one-piece-t-1963-6.html#pid42226...

About Doflamingo... he may have some haki habiliti similar to hisoka ^^
I'm okay with haki doing that... I just wouldn't like huge kamehamehas or something like that.. but original abilities and unique ways of using it would be the best option!

[pirateninjahunter]

It kinda make me chuckle when you think about it. WB have allies on the Marine side (Hancock via Luffy) and Sengoku have allies on the Pirates side.(Squad) LOL!!

We do not know yet if he is working for the marines, squard.

Maybe he just wants to kill WB so that he can become the pirate king. We already know that he is super strong, because he was appointed by WB to lead the attack of the NW pirates.

Possibly he is the strongest ally while Marco is the strongest WB crew member. He might be on the same level of Marco or maybe stronger.

[Bugzee]

I think Marco's nearest to WB right now, so i assume he'll be going to attack or check on WB first, but will Squardo be ready?

[Rotten The Wizard]

Oda doesnt make it a habit to kill off characters but Squardro has to die!!!!!

I want marco to teleport and kick him in the head straight to joz who then bear hugs him and shoots diamond spikes through his body, then piss on it

[Bugzee]

Yep, that last page as soon as i viewed - i was like :eek::jawdrop:eek:

:mad Squardo the damn sh*t! I so want him to get owned totally!!!!

I feel tho Sengoku will advance next chapter in regards to pressuring the pirates and cornering them!

[Cruewk]

Squardo's a badass. I like him.

[Bugzee]

BB's a badass, Squardo is a badass and the devil!

I loved the short exchange between Hawk's and Vista! Damn it, i wanted to see more!!!!! I hope we see more of Vista in action i like him!

[pirateninjahunter]

He was really fast. Because he had to turn AND impale WB!
He impaled him really fast!
Did you notice that WB did not have even time to move?
He stood in the same position in which he was before being attacked!

HAWKEYE, don't sword fight Squad if you want to continue living!!!

@Hawkeye VS Vista: does hawkeye mean that he can finish with vista anytime, or what?

[Bugzee]

He was really fast. Because he had to turn AND impale WB!
He impaled him really fast!
Did you notice that WB did not have even time to move?
He stood in the same position in which he was before being attacked!

HAWKEYE, don't sword fight Squad if you want to continue living!!!

@Hawkeye VS Vista: does hawkeye mean that he can finish with vista anytime, or what?

I think they broke up the fight because the PX's were running wild and they dont give a damn who they attack/hit! Ohter then that, I dont think Hawks meant it in a way to say he can own Vista anytime he wants!

Did you see the swords clashing? I think it was even hits/clash of swords!

[mugen]

squadro doesn't seem all that impressive. what happened was a surprise attack and nothing more. You can obviously tell by everyone's reaction. If you read the chapter, you see that Mrco was even surprised Squadro was there but did nothing because he along with everyone else thought of him as an ally. Next chapter though is either squadro dying or running away though. I think its fuckin lame though for whitebeard to have to be done in this way though. I know this won't kill him directly but this is going to be a major burden on him later on :/

[Cruewk]

squadro doesn't seem all that impressive. what happened was a surprise attack and nothing more. You can obviously tell by everyone's reaction. If you read the chapter, you see that Mrco was even surprised Squadro was there but did nothing because he along with everyone else thought of him as an ally. Next chapter though is either squadro dying or running away though. I think its fuckin lame though for whitebeard to have to be done in this way though. I know this won't kill him directly but this is going to be a major burden on him later on :/


I highly doubt that. You can tell by his mini speech right before he stabbed WB that he's serious. Squardo doesn't look stupid to me...why would he stab WB if he knew he'd be killed or running away right after? He has to be super strong.

[mugen]

dude! whitebeard is a yonkou! a yonkou! its bad enough there's bb is like an enigma. squadro was probably intent on it from the beginning, probably why he avoided whitebeard when he was asking for him. Squadro was just one of the many who wanted to take whitebeard down, he saw a chance and took it. If whitebeard knew squadro was hostile from the beginning, he wouldn't have even gotten near whitebeard!

[Poneglyph420]

dude! whitebeard is a yonkou! a yonkou! its bad enough there's bb is like an enigma. squadro was probably intent on it from the beginning, probably why he avoided whitebeard when he was asking for him. Squadro was just one of the many who wanted to take whitebeard down, he saw a chance and took it. If whitebeard knew squadro was hostile from the beginning, he wouldn't have even gotten near whitebeard!

I tend to agree...

Squardo got that close because of the trust WB gives all his allies..
Otherwise he's a spot on the ground.

I need to understand why NOW!!

[mysteries]

Look at the scars on WB's chest, i think its safe to say hes been through worse ;)

[Finale]

What if Squadro is acting on BB's orders? We know that WB wants to make Ace pirate king but what if Squadro wants it to be BB? Remember some chapters ago they said in a flashback that Ace made Doma's crew surrender, what if it was BB that made Squadro surrender to WB and thus made Squadro a believer in his power. Squadro knowing that BB cant take WB heads up decides to injury WB for WB's coming battle with BB. I said about a week ago i didnt believe Squadro was a traitor for the WG otherwise the WG would've know when and how many of WB forces were coming.

[DRAGON-PEIN-SAMA]

What if Squadro is acting on BB's orders? We know that WB wants to make Ace pirate king but what if Squadro wants it to be BB? Remember some chapters ago they said in a flashback that Ace made Doma's crew surrender, what if it was BB that made Squadro surrender to WB and thus made Squadro a believer in his power. Squadro knowing that BB cant take WB heads up decides to injury WB for WB's coming battle with BB. I said about a week ago i didnt believe Squadro was a traitor for the WG otherwise the WG would've know when and how many of WB forces were coming.

Alright here is a question: do u really think BB has wat it takes to make a guy who could earn WB's complete trust surrender?

[Finale]

Alright here is a question: do u really think BB has wat it takes to make a guy who could earn WB's complete trust surrender?

We dont really know what really motivates Squadro. Im just thinking outside the box. We do know that everything that has been happening has gone as BB has planned mixed with alot of luck. Hence the saying fate favors the prepared. Heck maybe BB knew that Squad was really ambitious and that this war was an opportunity he wouldnt pass up.

[Razh]

@Hawkeye VS Vista: does hawkeye mean that he can finish with vista anytime, or what?

I couldn't really tell from the translation. Spoilers said that Mihawk suggested to end the fight and retreat before Pacifistas kill them as well.

But it's different now. It could still be that, or Mihawk suggested that they get serious. Swordsmen such as them probably test each other first, before using all their ability.

[BlackHair]

I couldn't really tell from the translation. Spoilers said that Mihawk suggested to end the fight and retreat before Pacifistas kill them as well.

But it's different now. It could still be that, or Mihawk suggested that they get serious. Swordsmen such as them probably test each other first, before using all their ability.This one (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-562/page010.html) is much clearer and easier to understand. Franky House just did a fast work.

[kilm]

This one (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-562/page010.html) is much clearer and easier to understand. Franky House just did a fast work.

I agree the script is

Mihawk: 勝負は預けよう
The fight is at a stalemate/ Let's leave this battle undecided

Vista: 互いにその方が利点がありそうだね
That's helpful for us both.

[dacookester]

squardo has to be strong hes a captain in the new world the place geko moria is scared to go but i dont think sqaudro has any one on his side because even his crew had no idea were he was but the question is were could he have gone maybe to discuss with soembody

[Razh]

He went to get the bigger sword.

[dacookester]

it ook him all that time to get his sword but were could the sword have possibly been on marineford but yeah that sword must have something specail about it maybe it has poison since his theme is spiders

[Razh]

What all that time? He's been missing probably around 5-10 minutes. Things are moving pretty fast in this battle.
Enough to disappear, probably to his own ship, so that Whitebeard can't make him in charge of the attack. It would be harder for Squad to try to kill Whitebeard if he was fighting in front lines.
While Decalvan brothers were leading the attack, Squad went to get his bigger sword.

Why he got the bigger sword, who knows. Maybe he thought that his regular sword is too small to cause serious damage to Whitebeard, or maybe it belonged to his family member of friend who died because of Whitebeard.
Of course, there are plenty of other possibilities.

[dacookester]

yeah i thought of that .... but he does look like an untrustable character but he was in battle alreeady and that is known because he was shown running in and he appeared again with wounds

[Bugzee]

I couldn't really tell from the translation. Spoilers said that Mihawk suggested to end the fight and retreat before Pacifistas kill them as well.

But it's different now. It could still be that, or Mihawk suggested that they get serious. Swordsmen such as them probably test each other first, before using all their ability.[/QUOTE]

Didn't think about that lol! Your right tho, hopefully they'll continue there fight!!!

[QUOTE=dacookester;1654238]it ook him all that time to get his sword but were could the sword have possibly been on marineford but yeah that sword must have something specail about it maybe it has poison since his theme is spiders

It makes him more suspicious and to me it makes it even more clearer that he might actually have a relationship with the Marines! But, then again that sword might've been hidden on his own ship or something!

I think the idea of poison being on/in the sword and being injected into WB, is a strong possiblity!

[taz7]

well we got one more day to go wr gna find out on monday y squardo did this
[hr]
but the whole chapter is gna b wasted becuz of this man o man,,,,,,,.............

[dacookester]

It makes him more suspicious and to me it makes it even more clearer that he might actually have a relationship with the Marines! But, then again that sword might've been hidden on his own ship or something!

I think the idea of poison being on/in the sword and being injected into WB, is a strong possiblity!

but he was clearly seen running straight to battle from the get go

but maybe his power is zoan spider or some kind of vortex ability but who knows maybe we will find out next week

[OunknownO]

I couldn't really tell from the translation. Spoilers said that Mihawk suggested to end the fight and retreat before Pacifistas kill them as well.

But it's different now. It could still be that, or Mihawk suggested that they get serious. Swordsmen such as them probably test each other first, before using all their ability.

Didn't think about that lol! Your right tho, hopefully they'll continue there fight!!!



It makes him more suspicious and to me it makes it even more clearer that he might actually have a relationship with the Marines! But, then again that sword might've been hidden on his own ship or something!

I think the idea of poison being on/in the sword and being injected into WB, is a strong possiblity!


same as the brook previous crew

[dacookester]

i hope that the new world captains now become split

that would make the battle so much more interesting

[Razh]

yeah i thought of that .... but he does look like an untrustable character but he was in battle alreeady and that is known because he was shown running in and he appeared again with wounds

What I meant to say that he used the chaos of battle to disappear and go get his sword. He does say that pirates are being beaten in the back. It means that he was there.

[Bugzee]

I believe Squardo has the warp-like DF ability! His talkin BS about how the rear guard is taken a lot of damage! He dissapeared! Its not like his giving any indication that he was actually helping the pirates that were taken severe losses!

But, yea i think the NW pirates will divide next chapter. I cant see them all helping each other out now, especially Squardo's crew! U never know! Squardo might've taken his time (out of the battles) to set up a trap himself?? to activate soon??

[anaskr]

i really wanna see WB get killed but at the hands of BB!! am really waiting for that !!

[Jiggy-Ninja]

I believe Squardo has the warp-like DF ability! His talkin BS about how the rear guard is taken a lot of damage! He dissapeared! Its not like his giving any indication that he was actually helping the pirates that were taken severe losses!

But, yea i think the NW pirates will divide next chapter. I cant see them all helping each other out now, especially Squardo's crew! U never know! Squardo might've taken his time (out of the battles) to set up a trap himself?? to activate soon??
An ability like Madara in Naruto? That sounds pretty awesome actually. I don't think it's a spider Zoan, since Onigumo seems to have that fruit. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/14-15/

i really wanna see WB get killed but at the hands of BB!! am really waiting for that !!
Yeah, I was expecting WB to die by BB's hands too.

Personally, I don't think Squard betrayed Whitebeard. I think it was Doflamingo. :blink

[Zehahaha]

An ability like Madara in Naruto? That sounds pretty awesome actually. I don't think it's a spider Zoan, since Onigumo seems to have that fruit. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/14-15/



If actually has such powers... Well, WB must be really a dumb one to not send him rescue Ace instead of doing all this war and stuff

[Finale]

Looking forward to the day that the SHs have to fight off a Kumabot death squad. I feel kinda cheated as i wanted to see WB go all out. Now that he has suffered such an injury he has a handicap and cant fight at 100 percent.

[Super Angillis]

I agree the script is

Mihawk: 勝負は預けよう
The fight is at a stalemate/ Let's leave this battle undecided

Vista: 互いにその方が利点がありそうだね
That's helpful for us both.

It makes me thing Mihawk would rather they finish sometime theres less going on, and they can both focus fully on dueling each other.

[Bugzee]

If Squardo does have a warp-like df ability, it would obviously have some sort of limitation. E.g. The distance he can travel through the use warping. He couldnt rescue Ace if he was miles away in the New world while receiving news of Ace's capture!

Anyway, that panel where we see Kuma/PX-Zero with his hands and it shows the paw hands - it was curious to me - what did he actually make disappear, a random nw pirate?? loool I think he'll get his concious back or might all be a play-on and he might have a plan of his own!

[k-dom]

Do we know if buggy and his menheard Sengoku whenhe said they need tocut the denden muchi before going further ? It's not like I expect them to be able to keep it on for long but every second will be crucial now.

[mamuwyllie]

Looking forward to the day that the SHs have to fight off a Kumabot death squad. I feel kinda cheated as i wanted to see WB go all out. Now that he has suffered such an injury he has a handicap and cant fight at 100 percent.

Yea I'm a bit more optimistic, if Zoro is anything to go by then WB getting that injury will just make him seriously pissed and kick butt. He did get hit in the stomach and not the heart so with the strongest man in the world I hopes it just an annoyance.

[Gats]

Do we know if buggy and his menheard Sengoku whenhe said they need tocut the denden muchi before going further ? It's not like I expect them to be able to keep it on for long but every second will be crucial now.

Buggy is not strong but he seems quite good at surviving so if he takes the den den it would be ok. :amuse

[Bugzee]

Buggy & the prisoners are acting commentators for the war LOL! :XD but aren't doin a great job in telling the world wats actually going on at Marine HQ, only thing important to broadcast is the legendary Buggy the clown!!!! lol more foundation needed next chapter hehehe :XD

[Lord Rayleigh]

Buggy and his minions are doing a great job at MHQ. Without them playing with the den den camera, Ace would have been already executed. They also help the revolutionaries by showing the people the human weapons (PXs).
What Buggy does at MHQ has definitely a lot of impact on the One Piece world despite the fact he is not strong.

[Akainu]

it would be even more fun if Buggy took the den-den-mushi into the air with one hand, to give an overview of "what he has done" which is just the war shown completly from above and almost impossible for the marine weaklings to take down.

something else that occured to me is that the strategy of the marines was to freeze the bay from the beginning on - without that detail, their whole plan wouldn't have worked properly <.<;

[Bugzee]

it would be even more fun if Buggy took the den-den-mushi into the air with one hand, to give an overview of "what he has done" which is just the war shown completly from above and almost impossible for the marine weaklings to take down.

something else that occured to me is that the strategy of the marines was to freeze the bay from the beginning on - without that detail, their whole plan wouldn't have worked properly <.<;

LOOOOOL THATS BRILLIANT!!! I really hope something like that happens!!!!! i can just imagine the facial expressions on everyones face when Buggy reveals that he did all that damage at Marinford!! loool :XD

[fistsofrage]

I just realized luffy can't be knocked unconcious cuz his brain is rubber...too bad kizaru lol. If Whitebeard is unable to command and the pirates lose their will, it will be up to luffy and his king's haki to bring them back to their senses xD.

[taz7]

man o man the more i think
i only get one answer that squardo stabbing whitebeard can play a big role in the outcome of this war becuz now all whitebeard pirates will be mad as hell
and who knows maybe luffy or ACE get a power up becuz of this incident

[PageUpgrade92]

meh this chapter is amazing....the betrayal....dundundn xD

[craziii]

you guys, haven't you all realize yet? in this chapter, luffy, took a kick at the speed of light and stood up afterward like nothing happened.

that says alot about luffy's power atm, compare to the admirals.

[iKeno]

you guys, haven't you all realize yet? in this chapter, luffy, took a kick at the speed of light and stood up afterward like nothing happened.

that says alot about luffy's power atm, compare to the admirals.
lets not forget that Luffy is a rubber man.

[BlindMunkey]

you guys, haven't you all realize yet? in this chapter, luffy, took a kick at the speed of light and stood up afterward like nothing happened.

that says alot about luffy's power atm, compare to the admirals.

true maybe hez getting used to the using the haki unconsciously.

the more marines plan get delayed by buggyz goofiness the better because whitebeard getting stabbed was more like making him immobile for the time being they execute ace. buggy will buy then enough time to refocus there main objective and execute there plan.

for next chapter.. a clif hanger. or side store of strawhats crew?
or if not Squardo is pretty much dead. unless he has time-warp related df. but hands down to ODA. i wouldnt have predicted whitebeard getting betrayed muchless pierced with a giant sword.

[luffy_boy]

true maybe hez getting used to the using the haki unconsciously.



Untill now we have not seen anything that proves that haki decreases the amount of damage you take.
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lets not forget that Luffy is a rubber man.

We can assume that kizaru knows how to use haki, so he will take the damage. rubber man or not.

[NoLimit89]

Untill now we have not seen anything that proves that haki decreases the amount of damage you take.
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We can assume that kizaru knows how to use haki, so he will take the damage. rubber man or not.

This still doesn't make sense. If Mihawk fights on par with Shanks, then wouldn't that mean he knows Haki as well? And if Mihawk knows haki, and what you said is true, then why didn't Buggy get hurt?

[Gats]

you guys, haven't you all realize yet? in this chapter, luffy, took a kick at the speed of light and stood up afterward like nothing happened.

that says alot about luffy's power atm, compare to the admirals.

Kick at the speed of light is still a kick, like a punch. Since Luffy is a rubberman he can deal with it.

[mp44chris]

Kick at the speed of light is still a kick, like a punch. Since Luffy is a rubberman he can deal with it.
still... if i remember correctly kizaru took out of action four (five with zoro) supernovas with that kick... and all that like having a little walk.
Well u have to admit that he is getting better and better.

[Schabrak]

Kick at the speed of light is still a kick, like a punch. Since Luffy is a rubberman he can deal with it.
No it's still a kick at lights speed, not "just" a kick. It's like comparing a stone's throw to a laser beam. :) Last time Kizaru did just kick, he destroyed a whole mangrove at SA.

"not having seen that "proves"" It's not a self-explanatory story. Things are proven by wht we see. We can't always wait for Oda to explain it to us in all the details. Luffy has gotten stronger, even if it's only from the effects of Ivas Hormon vigor cure.

[Razh]

Luffy was always tough. I don't know if any of you believed that one Kizaru's kick would be enough for him. He is a rubber man, and more resistant to blunt attacks than normal people. Not much to it.

[hdiuy]

Kizaru can kick at the speed of light for all he want but he still won't be able to able compare his light speed with real light speed in the real world. So yea, Luffy can handle that kick with all these 'training' he has gone through. Not to mention he has been caught by Jimbei which i think may or may not cushion the kick.

[Gats]

No it's still a kick at lights speed, not "just" a kick. It's like comparing a stone's throw to a laser beam. Last time Kizaru did just kick, he destroyed a whole mangrove at SA.

Two kicks at different speed are kicks. I don't know why you choose the stone and the laser beam since it really isn't the same thing by nature unlike the kick. I didn't talk about the laser beam he did with his foot at SA, he kicked Luffy, he didn't use a light beam, even if it's shining.


"not having seen that "proves"" It's not a self-explanatory story. Things are proven by wht we see. We can't always wait for Oda to explain it to us in all the details. Luffy has gotten stronger, even if it's only from the effects of Ivas Hormon vigor cure.

If Luffy is insensible to this kind of strike, he is whatever the strength of the kick, he would be only hurt if after the kick he'd fall on something more sharper. It's like the battle vs Enel, whatever how much power he put on his lighting strike, Luffy would be still fine.

Remember when giant Moria put Luffy in a box and smash him in the ground => Luffy stayed in good shape.


edit : I've never said he is not stronger or whatever.

[Lord Rayleigh]

No it's still a kick at lights speed, not "just" a kick. It's like comparing a stone's throw to a laser beam. :) Last time Kizaru did just kick, he destroyed a whole mangrove at SA.
You must not confuse the kick at the speed of light and the " kick " that sends an explosion by the foot. When he destroyed the mangrove, his foot never touched it : he threw a laserbeam by his foot.

[Jiggy-Ninja]

Untill now we have not seen anything that proves that haki decreases the amount of damage you take.
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We can assume that kizaru knows how to use haki, so he will take the damage. rubber man or not.
Two incredibly wrong statements in one post. And you contradict yourself too.

Both Sentoumaru and Marigold appeared to use Haki as a defense. Sentoumaru blocked LufFy's Gatling on Shabondy, and Mari blocked his Stamp (and failed at blocking JET Bazooka) on Amazon Lily.

We have seen literally NOTHING to suggest that Kizaru knows how to us Haki. We've only seen him using his Devil Fruit for combat.

still... if i remember correctly kizaru took out of action four (five with zoro) supernovas with that kick... and all that like having a little walk.
Well u have to admit that he is getting better and better.
Kizaru never kicked Zoro, he shot a beam at him.

I don't know how many times we have to say this, but Luffy is a rubber man. Because of that, he is far, far more resistant to blunt force attacks like kicks than most people. Just like Buggy, being a splitting man, is impervious to even Mihawk's sword slashes.

Luffy was literally smashed flat by Moria in Shadows Asgard form, and he got up from that just fine. Kizaru's kick will knock him on his ass and knock the wind out of him, but it won't kill him.

[Bugzee]

Kizaru hasnt used haki as of yet, we dont even know whether he actually has it!

I think Marigold has a simialr defence haki as Sento! I dont think the purpose of haki is primarily to decrease the amount of damage one takes imo. But its too early, we dont know much about it until someone explains it!

[loloy]

luffy's brain is also made of rubber,so he's not unconscious
after kizaru's speed of light kick,this is manga after all

[mr.danly]

Well by the "he's a rubberman, physical attacks don't harm him" logic, why did the minotaur's mace smash his face in? Why was CP9 able to hurt him even without using rokushiki? Luffy isn't impervious to physical attacks. If you punch him in the face, it's going to hurt him. Yes, his ability to stretch and compress is unmatched, which is why he survived getting flattened by moria, but a kick at the speed of light shouldve hurt him.

(as for the mace, I know that people are going to point out that it was spiked, but the main damage of a mace comes from the cfact that it's a really big club. The spikes are going to do much less damage than the clubbing would, and luffy looks to be in pretty bad pain when he gets hit. A couple scratches from spikes isn't going to make him hurt like that.

[taz7]

marco is the coolest man he took on the admiral like he was nothing
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but squardo wtf is wrong with him

[Duzy]

(as for the mace, I know that people are going to point out that it was spiked, but the main damage of a mace comes from the cfact that it's a really big club. The spikes are going to do much less damage than the clubbing would, and luffy looks to be in pretty bad pain when he gets hit. A couple scratches from spikes isn't going to make him hurt like that.

It makes little sense to me. He's being hurt by the spikes and the damage is proportional to the weight behind them. It's the same principle as big sword > small sword. It's the sharp shape that allows damage to be inflicted to Luffy. The spiky ends do damage, the blunt surface doesn't. The blunt bullet will do him no harm, an accurate arrow will kill him.


marco is the coolest man he took on the admiral like he was nothing

Now here I wanted to be a smartass and say that so far Kizaru has been shown unscathed and Marco slightly bruised but... I can't seem to find any bruises on him in any of the recent chapters on onemanga. I would've sworn I've seen it. Perhaps someone took "cleaning" of the scans too earnestly or perhaps I was drunk or something, oh well...

[bittman]

Yeah, as said above: the force behind the mace is the size of it, but the spikes provide additional damage. So what you see with the blood is the spikes scratching Luffy with the entire weight of the mace behind it. It's not like Minotaurus held the mace there and Luffy ran into it. If you touch a nail, it shouldn't cut you. If you hammer it into something, it'll go right into them. Force means everything.

Also on all this Kizaru talk: he doesn't kick at the speed of light, if so we would never see it and no-one in the world would be able to live the sheer force behind it. It would scientifically rip through anything known to man. Kizaru kicks with the power of light and sure, it's fast, but it's not light speed.

I felt like I saw Luffy take a lot of damage there, considering it was just a kick on a man who can take all the blunt force in the world, that's really something else.

[hdiuy]

Also on all this Kizaru talk: he doesn't kick at the speed of light, if so we would never see it and no-one in the world would be able to live the sheer force behind it. It would scientifically rip through anything known to man. Kizaru kicks with the power of light and sure, it's fast, but it's not light speed.


Em chapter 508,Kizaru said it himself.

Kizaru: Well, you see, the thing is...
If I, err, don't find him, I've got nothing to do...
And when my time is free,
I'm not going to let a bountied head like yours go free,
Basil Hawkins!
Speed is weight.
Have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?

As much as we know the terror a kick in light speed, we're in a shounen manga.

[Underpowered]

Em chapter 508,Kizaru said it himself.

As much as we know the terror a kick in light speed, we're in a shounen manga.

Theres still the possibility that Kizaru exaggerated....
Yeah its a shounen manga.....but I didnt see anyone getting ripped into 2 after being kicked by kizaru, so I'll just assume his kick isnt that fast.
(apart from kicking at the speed of light is physically impossible)

[taz7]

Now here I wanted to be a smartass and say that so far Kizaru has been shown unscathed and Marco slightly bruised but... I can't seem to find any bruises on him in any of the recent chapters on onemanga. I would've sworn I've seen it. Perhaps someone took "cleaning" of the scans too earnestly or perhaps I was drunk or something, oh well...

well those BRUISES can be seen when red hair and whitebeard met up in the new world so those didnt come from kizaruz attack thts for sure.
but i really want them to go at it one more time so we can find out the better fighter becuz right now marco seems stronger..

[hdiuy]

Theres still the possibility that Kizaru exaggerated....
Yeah its a shounen manga.....but I didnt see anyone getting ripped into 2 after being kicked by kizaru, so I'll just assume his kick isnt that fast.
(apart from kicking at the speed of light is physically impossible)

Its just that in One Piece in that instance, light speed is just at that speed of Kizaru's kick. Its just like how Luffy's rubber ability can withstand 200mil volts as opposed to natural rubber in real life.

[CBlitz]

its never a good idea to apply real life physics to comics/mangas. It just requires some suspended disbelief

[Gecko Moria]

Theres still the possibility that Kizaru exaggerated....

Judging from his abilities, I don't think Kizaru has any reason to exaggerate the extent of his powers.


Yeah its a shounen manga.....but I didnt see anyone getting ripped into 2 after being kicked by kizaru, so I'll just assume his kick isnt that fast.

While normal humans would get decimated by any decent attack at the speed of light, I think it's important to point out that the most of the characters are not normal humans, and thusly, do it get ripped apart by Kizaru's kicks. There have been many instances throughout the story where our heroes (and villains) have survived attacks that would easily have killed any human (if you want evidence just read a good fight in One Piece).


(apart from kicking at the speed of light is physically impossible)

A man being able to stretch like rubber is physically impossible too. So is a skeleton that can walk, talk and eat. So is a reindeer that can transform into a human. So is a Marine that can freeze an entire sea...
One Piece doesn't really follow the nature of what is physically possible and impossible in our world, and if Kizaru can turn into light itself then it's most likely that he can kick at the speed of light also.

[Duzy]

well those BRUISES can be seen when red hair and whitebeard met up in the new world so those didnt come from kizaruz attack thts for sure.
but i really want them to go at it one more time so we can find out the better fighter becuz right now marco seems stronger..

Nah, I found it all right (it was either finding it or going to a clinic ;)).

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/557/11/

Middle right panel. First time showing him since his clash with Kizaru so I take it as an immediate aftermath. He seems to be much better now though.

[Razh]

Theres still the possibility that Kizaru exaggerated....
Yeah its a shounen manga.....but I didnt see anyone getting ripped into 2 after being kicked by kizaru, so I'll just assume his kick isnt that fast.
(apart from kicking at the speed of light is physically impossible)

Seriously, who cares?
His kick may be as fast as light, or maybe it's slower. He said that he can kick with the speed of light, and since he has a light logia and can move with the speed of light, then he can probably kick with the speed of light.
Kicking someone with that speed would certainly cut the person into two, but Oda probably didn't care.
People in One Piece are tougher than normal people anyway.

[SenninSage]

I use to think that there was absolutely no chance at all that the other Straw Hat Pirates would show up in this war, but I'm seriously starting to think that they will now.

I suspect that it won't just be Luffy that ends up doing something big here, but one or more of his crewmates, will also do something big during this war.

[dragonballz66]

I got a hunch that Frankie will show up and have something to fight all those Kumas.

[chitgoks]

next chapter may not have much action at all. we'd see a lot of reactions from all major characters involved. would probably take half the chapter's total pages

[Sena]

I had a hunch that WB was going to die. Its pretty well explained when WB tells Ace that he wants him to become King of the Pirates. WB has no personal interest in One Piece. He wants Ace to use him as a tool to find it.

So in the end i'm almost sure that WB will save Ace, but he dies doing it... And then Ace will be elected has Captain! Replacing WB

[mr.danly]

I had a hunch that WB was going to die. Its pretty well explained when WB tells Ace that he wants him to become King of the Pirates. WB has no personal interest in One Piece. He wants Ace to use him as a tool to find it.

So in the end i'm almost sure that WB will save Ace, but he dies doing it... And then Ace will be elected has Captain! Replacing WB

haha i think just about everyone had that hunch. But I don't think WB will die just yet. He'll be pretty severely wounded, but he'll absolutely destroy Squado. This just puts more of a timetable on WB's countdown.

[obamamania]

God, this cliffhanger is so good that I can't even speculate on what will happen because I want WB to be fine but at the same time I don't know how such a wound will affect him if he is fine. We just don't know enough about the guy, but if he's this hurt, then the pirates are just done. WB's health symbolizes their success, this blow is probably the deadliest thing to happen so far, it's basically a crushing blow to moral and nobody could possibly think that this won't cause them to lose concentration if WB is really hurt. I have no clue where this is gonna go.

[bittman]

Who knows about Squadro actually. Everyone so far has gone "OH MY GOD WHITEBEARD IS GOING TO TEAR HIM A NEW HOLE!", but really Oda doesn't name entire chapters about someone who is forgotten 4 pages later.

Perhaps Squadro is a part of something much bigger. I would find it hard to believe this is not part of Sengoku's plan and that this is not just a prelude to the real battle at hand.

I expect Squadro to live through this if only for a revenge arc for the Ace-beard pirates down the track...wow that's a long term prediction...

[CBlitz]

I figure that Squadro is probably with the Government, that or he has his own agenda by backstabbing WB

[obamamania]

I figure that Squadro is probably with the Government, that or he has his own agenda by backstabbing WB

True, but what confused me was how even AFTER the chapter was out, everyone was proclaiming that Squardo was a government spy and all of this subjective stuff, when in the chapter all we got was one page with him stabbing Whitebeard. It's likely, but why was everyone just convinced as if this was actually stated.

[CBlitz]

True, but what confused me was how even AFTER the chapter was out, everyone was proclaiming that Squardo was a government spy and all of this subjective stuff, when in the chapter all we got was one page with him stabbing Whitebeard. It's likely, but why was everyone just convinced as if this was actually stated.

I think one of the spoilers said that, which was why everyone thought he was with the government. But damn, that truly was a backstab, it came out of nowhere

[Ero-Sanji]

I'm starting to think that Squado is a good man know!
Oda is a genius in surprises, everybody is so focused on squado being bad that you are already have starting to speculate the reason why. BUT what if he's good, think about it the last words WB told squado was I'm going to fight too. So is it that hard to think that perhaps this attack was like a power-up??

If it isn't then I'm 100% sure that WB won't die from it as I said before pell survived the blast from a bomb capable of destroying a whole town so why should the lord of the sea die from this...
And if this will be fatal for WB then Oda has made his first mistake imo...

[Wisteria]

Maybe Squardo is a member of Blackbeard pirates and the show that BB talked about is finally starting :D

[gigotigo]

I think the guy/s who opened the gates for luffy and the others will be the biggest surprise of this war.

[Dim]

Maybe squadro has like a squad squad fruit and can create mutiple versions of himself- like a whole division??? make him pretty damn tough if hes strong!

whitebeard will be fine!

one thing is for sure squad is most definetly one of the strongest captains from the new world considering whitebeard wanted him in charge-

will be interesting to see he his motives-

something to do with the new era undoubtedly and he has prob has discussed with the marines or made a deal!
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white beard IMO will have to do some real damage to an admrial or VA etc to further show his strenght and what to expect from LUFFY in the future! kinf od like a precedent of strength

my prediction is at the end whitebeard massively f@cked up- saying to luffy and ace- im getting too old for this- you boys carry on- follow your dreams or soem crap! and then thats the end you never know whether he dies or not and is l3eft behind holding everyone back whilst they escape

[llamapie]

Maybe Squardo is a member of Blackbeard pirates and the show that BB talked about is finally starting :D

Didn't really think of it that way. Good point though. Every member so far has been a parallel to a member in Luffy's crew.

The wrestler would be Sanji's.
The psycho from empel down, who happens to be good with swords would be Zoro's.
The sniper would be Usopp.
The Reaper would be chopper.
Not sure who Franky's opponent will be.
But if Squardo is a member of BB pirates I think he would match up to Brook pretty good.

[Dim]

i doubt it- BB hasnt been in the new world yet form what we know... and for squad to be a memeber of BB pirates so would the rest of the squad pirates... whihc would make the BB pirates crew pretty big comparitive to what it is now!

[NoLimit89]

i doubt it- BB hasnt been in the new world yet form what we know... and for squad to be a memeber of BB pirates so would the rest of the squad pirates... whihc would make the BB pirates crew pretty big comparitive to what it is now!

No, BB came FROM the new world. He was part of WB's crew after all.

[monkey D luffy]

true but after betraying WB he fled to the other side of the red line and he has been there ever since, so as a captain he never was in the NW.

[c0nflikt]

What if Squadro is part of bb's crew and bb shows up and somehow takes control of the PX army he'd be formidable then.

[deffkryz]

What if Squadro is part of bb's crew and bb shows up and somehow takes control of the PX army he'd be formidable then.

Why... Oh, why would that ever happen?! :blink No... Seriously... Why? Or did you skip irony/sarcasm tags?

I desperately hope that Squawdo is not a member of BB's crew. An ally, or a sympathizer maybe ... But why should he make Shiryuu his comerade if he already had someone to stab WB?! "Better more swordsmen than to few of them?"