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Akainu
November 18, 2009, 06:44 AM
Please post everything related to chapter 0 in here, that includes expectations and spoilers as well as discussion once the chapter is out.
We will try to collect all important information in the first post.

For the regular chapter, please go here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1679706#post1679706) to see the spoilers and here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1679707#post1679707) to discuss them.

First spoilers (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1684539&postcount=42) arrived 11/23 - not confirmed and not too detailed either confirmed by Nja - thanks go to Apprentice, Aohige and Idol

11/25 we finally have some pictures here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1687597&postcount=70), here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1687607&postcount=71) and here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1687611&postcount=73) - thanks to cepillon for posting.
11/25 part 2: further pics (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1687830&postcount=85) brought to us by protegon

11/26 raw is out (1 (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/63769),2 (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/details/63776)) have fun ;)

Spaceman-Spiff
November 18, 2009, 12:18 PM
Background news:
- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-10-18/2009-one-piece-moviegoers-to-get-manga-vol-0-in-japan
- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-11-02/eichiro-oda-one-piece-episode-0-to-be-animated
- http://mainichi.jp/enta/cinema/news/20091016mog00m200065000c.html
- http://natalie.mu/comic/news/show/id/22588
- http://natalie.mu/comic/news/show/id/23257

By the way, it's Volume 0, not chapter 0. It's a whole book with more than 1 chapter.

ANBU4U
November 18, 2009, 12:29 PM
Ok....so is this thing Canon or what? Its IN the manga....it has manga chapters....its in the Anime....Oda wrote it....so all signs point to yes.

Except the fact that the time-line for WHEN this takes place makes NO sense. I mean it can only be during the voyage between Thriller Bark and the Redline correct? And yet going back and reading that voyage gives NO clue that something so monumental happened...which is stranger still seeing as how that would actually have been a believable time to slip something like this in.....

So why would someone as meticulous as Oda fail to slip in one or two pages of "man that golden Lion thing was crazy" when apparently he had already decided before then that he wanted to make this movie canon?

Im so confused, this just makes no sense. Why would Oda sink so much time into establishing the continuity of this movie without establishing a point in his story it could have happened clearly? I can only assume he didn't initially plan on it being 100% canon...but that it just became that way overtime...otherwise there just NO reason (given all the other stuff hes alluded to in-manga) not to establish a clear point during the Thriller Bark to Redline scenes that some adventure happened...

urlaub
November 18, 2009, 12:36 PM
As I understand it, they even tried not to make a logical timeline for the shiki film. It isn't really important for Oda and others.

sarutobi_sensei
November 18, 2009, 01:10 PM
It's from 20 years ago. So it's in the past, not in the present.

Akainu
November 18, 2009, 01:11 PM
Background news:
- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-10-18/2009-one-piece-moviegoers-to-get-manga-vol-0-in-japan
- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-11-02/eichiro-oda-one-piece-episode-0-to-be-animated
- http://mainichi.jp/enta/cinema/news/20091016mog00m200065000c.html
- http://natalie.mu/comic/news/show/id/22588
- http://natalie.mu/comic/news/show/id/23257

By the way, it's Volume 0, not chapter 0. It's a whole book with more than 1 chapter.

no sir, that's not what we are talking about!

the next issue of weekly shounen jump (#53 this year) will have a special chapter with background to the upcoming movie as it seems, which is known as "chapter 0"
volume 0 on the other hand is what the first 1.5 million people get, that enter the cinemas to watch said movie.

That said, please differentiate those from now on, this thread is - for now - strictly about chapter 0

ANBU4U
November 18, 2009, 01:22 PM
It's from 20 years ago. So it's in the past, not in the present.

The Movie, the Current Anime Episodes and such happen in the present day.

Chapter 0 and Volume Zero are simply about GL when and before he was incarcerated.. I.e. 20 years ago.

ScratchmenApoo
November 18, 2009, 02:20 PM
So I read there is an upcoming chapter/volume 0 which talks about the story of One Piece 20 years ago when Gold Lion Shiki broke out of Impel Down. I am not sure, but I hope it's not only about Gold Lion Shiki but also about a lot of significant people during the rise of the Golden Era of Pirates.
That is also the time when Ace was born (or yet to be born) and Whitebeard took over the title of Strongest Man. But is that so? Was Whitebeard the second strongest during Roger's time?
Were all strong & old characters 20 years ago the same people and have the same status as they do now ?
What do you think were the positions of people like Whitebeard, Vegapunk, Shanks, Aokiji, Akainu, Sengoku,Garp, the Gorousei, the Yonkou (did they even exist then?) etc.?
What are your theories on who they could have been that time?
Or has nothing really changed over that time?

I'm sure most could elaborate better when the chapters are actually out, but I would want to know what opinion or insight you have before that happens.

Samui
November 18, 2009, 02:58 PM
It's not actually a 20 years ago, but before Roger's death, because chapter 0/volume 0 shows Roger and Kinjishi's fight and not only Kinjishi's breaking out of Impel Down.
Anyway, 20 years ago the current Admirals were just VC Admiral and Sengoku was an Admiral, we know it from Robin's flashback.

Spaceman-Spiff
November 18, 2009, 03:03 PM
no sir, that's not what we are talking about!

the next issue of weekly shounen jump (#53 this year) will have a special chapter with background to the upcoming movie as it seems, which is known as "chapter 0"
volume 0 on the other hand is what the first 1.5 million people get, that enter the cinemas to watch said movie.

That said, please differentiate those from now on, this thread is - for now - strictly about chapter 0


After rereading the news, I think you're right. The first news does say Volume, and the second says Episode (chapter).

Ok, this is getting confusing...

So, there's a Volume 0, which is backstory from 20 years ago: The upcoming "One Piece Kan-Zero" bonus gift will depict the world of One Piece of 20 years ago. - (Ref (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-10-18/2009-one-piece-moviegoers-to-get-manga-vol-0-in-japan))

And there's also a chapter/episode 0, which is a also a story from 20 years ago??: This manga story will depict the world of One Piece 20 years ago — in particular, the Pirate King Gold Roger versus the legendary pirate "Gold Lion" Shiki. - (Ref (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-11-02/eichiro-oda-one-piece-episode-0-to-be-animated))

I guess we'll find out more next week :blink

LordZet
November 18, 2009, 03:37 PM
SO wait Shiki is roger tier? How the **** can Luffy even last a second against him? ugh.

Samui
November 18, 2009, 03:41 PM
SO wait Shiki is roger tier? How the **** can Luffy even last a second against him? ugh.
No. He fought him once, but probably was completely overwhelmed. If Luffy fights Whitebeard now, does it mean he's Whitebeard tier? No, it doesn't.

Saint Markus
November 18, 2009, 03:59 PM
Volume 0 is supposed to be "limited" to people who actually go to see the "Strong World" film correct?. that sucks, i hope someone scanlates the entire Volume, would be appreciated greatly.

jeffrey91
November 18, 2009, 04:43 PM
So Chapter 0 will be about 20 years ago...as background information for the movie..?
This chapter will be included in Volume 0?
And what's the relation with the current OP episode and the Manga? Or is it anime-only. For me the last Episode was a little lame why would it be included in the anime, if it's only like the beginng of the movie...

arisemut
November 18, 2009, 11:39 PM
this is what Oda says about the movie Strong World in One Piece vol.55

i'm a perfectionist, so when they ask me to write a scenario for movie, i always said "hell no!". but, year 2009 is OP anime's 10th years and the movie that out that year will be the 10th movie, so i accept the job. for this two and a half years, i thought i am gonna dead because of the overwork. i also making holes on the series in Jump. i make a lot of people angry. but i don't want to make the series and the movie a lame one!!! i want to make everything as exciting as possible!!

chapter 0 and volume 0 is the same. the only difference is the volume will be a book and have cover, i pressume.

sorry for my bad english. :p

BlackHair
November 19, 2009, 02:38 AM
Anyone knows how many pages chapter 0 will have? Or the limited volume 0?

Honestly Oda is doing great jop here. I never heard from a movie as much hyped as this one. Extra volume, extra chapter and even for the movie dedicated anime episodes. I rly have great expectations for this one. This is also why Oda's OP is my favourite manga. The past movies of OP was.. well they were crap, except 1 to 5. While 5 was my favourite. Looking forward to everything OP is bringing me in the future.

Fox666
November 19, 2009, 02:54 AM
I never looked at the movies of One Piece, Naruto or Bleach... I looked at some from Dragonball, but yet there are a lot that I never watched and don't intend to.

But this one I will be looking for.

Akainu
November 19, 2009, 07:04 AM
For discussions about the movie please go here (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28145) this thread is for the upcoming chapter 0 only. thank you.

Yoker66666
November 19, 2009, 09:45 AM
Thanks for info

ScratchmenApoo
November 19, 2009, 10:15 AM
So it's still a special long chapter, rather than a long series ?
That means it won't shed light to a lot of the story 20 years ago.
Only the facts about Gold Lion Shiki escaping from Impel Down and how the World Government deals with it, would be rather... empty.

Black Lagoon
November 19, 2009, 12:15 PM
OneManga (http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=2720724&postcount=93) I don't know if this is appropriated ^^;

Jump 53 --Nov 30 in Japan----Nov 26/27 online--OP chapter zero is going to be published.It will contain shikis story.Chapter zero has been animated too...The events of Chapter 0 have already been turned into an animated...short(?)...episode(?) and will be put to limited edition mail-in-campaign 3000 DVDs. They suggest that these DVDs will be the only way to see it. I dunno about that since there's an opportunity for them to make money BUT it will probably be the only way to see it for the time being.

Schabrak
November 19, 2009, 02:11 PM
"Again gaijins fell into a rage because they were excluded from great things japanese people created!" XD Well at least the other 99% of people there will feal enraged too.

@ScratchmenApoo: It's promp forthe movie so does not have something to do with anybody but Shiki. Showing Roger and Co. would just take their mistery away and make OP much worse imo.

Akainu
November 19, 2009, 03:16 PM
well only shiki would be a little weak, don't you think? they should at least show the position he had in the pirate world, for which showing roger/beardy and some of the others shouldn't be that bad. doesn't mean Oda would be giving anything away about rogers pirates.
it would also be cool to get a glimpse of what the marines were like back then, Sengoku was still an admiral, Kuzan and Sakazuki not yet and Garp at his prime...

NoLimit89
November 19, 2009, 04:52 PM
I thought JSK was Roger tier, how is it that Luffy is fighting against him.

Quite BS.

Akainu
November 19, 2009, 05:05 PM
Like Samui already said, fighting someone doesn't mean they are equal in power.

Otherwise, there still is the fact that Shiki equaling Roger is a more or less canon thing, but Luffy fighting Shiki only happens in the not-canon movie, which is not the topic here...

beastboy
November 19, 2009, 06:42 PM
Luffy can fight him cause he is old as hell now...

Truefan21
November 19, 2009, 11:56 PM
so whats chapter 0 all about i am confused

Schabrak
November 20, 2009, 03:38 AM
It's about Shiki 1.escaping and/or the (prequel to his) fight with Roger. It's written in the ANN link on the first page.
But this weeks Anime seems to be prequel to movie.


Luffy can fight him cause he is old as hell now...
Shiki seems to be a gold medalist, so when did Luffy get a power up to even compete with an admiral or Shichubukai on an even level without any help? Not in the Manga I read. Old as hell means in his 20s, if he is even that old now.

Dekker
November 20, 2009, 04:55 AM
Old as hell means in his 20s, if he is even that old now.

Its rather obvious he ment Shiki is old. Or do you believe Shiki was able to flee from impel down as a newborn baby?

Razh
November 20, 2009, 06:49 AM
Shiki seems to be a gold medalist, so when did Luffy get a power up to even compete with an admiral or Shichubukai on an even level without any help? Not in the Manga I read. Old as hell means in his 20s, if he is even that old now.

Silver medalist is just a term used for the people who couldn't quite make it because there were pirates stronger then them. By that logic, Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Kaidou and the other one would be gold medalists.
Why do you call Shiki a gold medalist?

And I agree, just because he was around Roger's level back then, doesn't mean that he's just as strong now. And of course, he's not a logia so he can be beaten.

beastboy
November 20, 2009, 03:32 PM
So what he can make things Fly!! Luffy can scratch is arms to catch flying things :D.. and he can fight pretty well in the air..! *_*
But other people would have trouble! Cause if you put me flying and then threw me a knife, I would be stabbed cause I have no means to avoid it!

Fox666
November 21, 2009, 07:01 AM
What's the problem with Luffy confront a guy who fought Roger? Luffy beat Moria who was said to be equal to Kaidou

Not to say that Luffy beat Enel with an advantage that was not fair...

MeramEranomi
November 21, 2009, 09:57 PM
What's the problem with Luffy confront a guy who fought Roger? Luffy beat Moria who was said to be equal to Kaidou

Not to say that Luffy beat Enel with an advantage that was not fair...

i agree. shiki being a strong pirate was years ago (like 20), and plus he's old as hell now, at least WB's age. and just from the last 2 chapters, WB explained that people get weaker, so there's no waaaayyyy shiki is still at his prime. should be a piece of cake for luffy (he just has to get beat up for about 100 minutes), no?

fdbgdg
November 22, 2009, 12:09 AM
What's the problem with Luffy confront a guy who fought Roger? Luffy beat Moria who was said to be equal to Kaidou

Not to say that Luffy beat Enel with an advantage that was not fair...

was that really said? i thought it was only mentioned that moria was defeated by kaidou in the new world.

Zehahaha
November 22, 2009, 07:57 AM
was that really said? i thought it was only mentioned that moria was defeated by kaidou in the new world.

Some weakass pirate whose shadow was stolen by Moria said that he's considered as the equal of Kaidou after one of his subordinates asked him about the return of the shadows and if it could be someone who defeated Moria

But there's no way in hell that Moria is equal of Kaidou, his crew was obliterated by Kaidou ( It's like we're saying that Squardo is the equal of Roger... Which is not the case)

Anyway, i'm waiting for this chapter just to see some Roger's action, that would be definitely cool

Fox666
November 22, 2009, 02:01 PM
But there's no way in hell that Moria is equal of Kaidou, his crew was obliterated by Kaidou ( It's like we're saying that Squardo is the equal of Roger... Which is not the case)Or Kaidou's crew was stronger than Moria's old crew http://mangahelpers.com/forums/images/icons/No%20Trust.png

The Yonkou aren't emperors just because they are strong by themself, just look at the Whitebeard pirates, we saw the top 3 commanders and the 5º fighting with the Marine Admirals and Shichibukai.

And I can imagine how strong Moria's old crew was... no doubt it's frustating to loose something like that, which you probably won't conquer again in life.

Zehahaha
November 22, 2009, 02:50 PM
Or Kaidou's crew was stronger than Moria's old crew http://mangahelpers.com/forums/images/icons/No%20Trust.png

The Yonkou aren't emperors just because they are strong by themself, just look at the Whitebeard pirates, we saw the top 3 commanders and the 5º fighting with the Marine Admirals and Shichibukai.

And I can imagine how strong Moria's old crew was... no doubt it's frustating to loose something like that, which you probably won't conquer again in life.

I agree, but still they way Moria talked about his defeat and stuff, it showed me that Moria himself got his ass kicked by Kaidou... Plus, the Younkou are that scary because of their own reputation and strength to begin with and of course the crew too, but it's mostly because of the captain (Just look at Sengoku speech, whenever he talks about WB pirates, it's the WB himself who is a the real danger to him )

elitefox
November 22, 2009, 11:24 PM
I agree, but still they way Moria talked about his defeat and stuff, it showed me that Moria himself got his ass kicked by Kaidou... Plus, the Younkou are that scary because of their own reputation and strength to begin with and of course the crew too, but it's mostly because of the captain (Just look at Sengoku speech, whenever he talks about WB pirates, it's the WB himself who is a the real danger to him )

well the same for the marines, if you talk about marines and mere admirals(as said by some of WB crew lol)

you talk about admirals and fleet admiral to be the greatest threat, as long as they are alive the fight can turn around any moment

senewe
November 23, 2009, 12:42 AM
so oda was busy researching stuff because of this chapter??
I hope after releasing this one, there will be no more double issue on OP

anyway, looking forward to see this
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@elitefox
i like your signature

Fox666
November 23, 2009, 03:45 AM
I agree, but still they way Moria talked about his defeat and stuff, it showed me that Moria himself got his ass kicked by Kaidou... Plus, the Younkou are that scary because of their own reputation and strength to begin with and of course the crew too, but it's mostly because of the captain (Just look at Sengoku speech, whenever he talks about WB pirates, it's the WB himself who is a the real danger to him )Them Yonkou are strong because there are great chances of someone with such a crew being strong. But Buggy, for example, has 200 fellows which every single one is stronger than himself.

plex
November 23, 2009, 04:07 AM
Them Yonkou are strong because there are great chances of someone with such a crew being strong. But Buggy, for example, has 200 fellows which every single one is stronger than himself.

Character assassination, blasphemy!:XD

Idol
November 23, 2009, 07:56 AM
Soruce: 2ch
Credit: ID:y0Ds1wncO
Verification: Confirmed

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ロジャー、金獅子、センゴク、ガープ等のロジャーが捕らえられた頃の話。
当時ロジャーと金獅子はライバル関係だった。金獅子はライバルと認めていたロジャーが、捕まった事がどうし ても信じられず、自らインペルダウンへ確認しにいく。
しかし捕まってしまう。金獅子は自分の両足を切り脱獄する。という内容。ちなみに、センゴクが大将の時はコ ング元帥。







Soruce: AP
Credit: Aohige_AP
Verification: Confirmed

After much debating with myself, I decided hell why not, I'll post them.
These are spoilers by Apprentice, a spoiler provider who posts One Piece spoilers on a cellphone only forum.

Keep in mind, the only thing identifying him as the same poster is his cellphone model.
Meaning, anyone with the same model phone could impersonate him... although that should end up having two different Apprentice posts, which hasn't happened yet. And no one has attempted to do so yet either, making his posts fairly reliable.

But please be aware, even though he has provided accurate early spoilers for several month, I don't usually use his spoilers until Nja or someone else confirms it a few days later, due to the lack of secured identity. Due to this nature I don't consider his posts as reliable as Nja (who secures his handle with a tripcode), even if he has consistently provided real spoilers.

Anyways, here goes.


Chapter 0
Story takes place back when Roger, Gold Lion Shiki, Sengoku and Garp were in their prime, and Roger was captured.
Back then Roger and Shiki were rivals. Hearing that Roger was captured, Shiki could not believe someone he considered his rival would be captured by the marines, and decided to find out the truth by inflitrating Impel Down himself.
But Gold Lion was captured. He cuts his own legs off to escape.
Back then, Sengoku was an Admiral, and the top was Fleet Admiral Kong.







Soruce: JJT (http://juinjutsuteam.forumcommunity.net/)
Credit: Idol
Verification: Confirmed

Come spiegato da Aohige_AP su AP,l'utente che ha postato questi spoiler è Apprentice uno dei tanti spoiler provider di One Piece che posta su 2ch tramite cellulare.
E' stato possibile riconoscerlo grazie al modello di cellulare con cui scrive i post.
Questo però vuol dire anche che chiunque sia in possesso di un cellulare dello stesso modello può impersonarlo e postare boiate.
Finora quest'ultima,tragica possibilità,non si è mai verificata,quindi siamo fiduciosi.
Siate quindi consapevoli che potrebbe essere un fake come potrebbe essere lo spoiler reale.
Apprentice ha postato per diversi mesi gli spoiler confermati di One Piece,confermati il giorno dopo da Nja che ha un identificazione sicura su 2ch.



Capitolo 0.
La storia prende luogo indietro nel tempo,quando Roger,Gold Lion Shiki, Sengoku e Garp erano nel fiore della loro età.
Roger fu catturato.
Shiki e Roger al tempo erano grandi rivali.
Shiki non riusciva a credere che un uomo,ritenuto da lui stesso un degno rivale,fosse stato catturato dalla marina.
Decise cosi di scoprire la verità infiltrandosi da solo ad Impel Down.
Sfortunatamente anche Shiki fu catturato,ma riusci a fuggire tagliandosi una gamba.
Sengoku all'epoca era un ammiraglio,sopra di lui c'era l'ammiraglio di flotta Kong.

Razh
November 23, 2009, 08:03 AM
Kong? Could be one of the ape race.

He could have had a gorilla devil fruit but that kinda seems too obvious.

beastboy
November 23, 2009, 08:16 AM
I like that... so Shiki infiltrated Impel Down... :D

BlackHair
November 23, 2009, 08:19 AM
WTF.. Shiki was actually equal to Roger? Equal as in fighting strength? I rly hope that's not true.

I hope Shiki was the only was seeing himself equal to Roger or sth.. Idk I don't want him to be equal to Roger. Considering that he will be beaten by Luffy. Even if he is past his prime and lost his legs.. I still don't want that.. xD

Akainu
November 23, 2009, 08:21 AM
sounds pretty good even if shikis move was dumb as hell (Luffy anyone?)
Oda revealing the former fleet admiral is a surprise, not that this character matters much, but a new bigshot is always good :amuse

beastboy
November 23, 2009, 08:33 AM
well from what I saw... Shiki is for Roger what Buggy was for Luffy :) he concideres Roger his equal but I guess he is the only one that sees it that way ;)

urlaub
November 23, 2009, 11:20 AM
KOng could have had the devil fruit of celestial ape import. Something inbetween of Lucy from Fairy tail and the 3rd hokage

Metal D. Reaper
November 23, 2009, 11:40 AM
or Kong doesn't have any DF but is a master in the art of Haki and strategy
Not all strong chapters have DF (zorro killer and so on)

well from what I saw... Shiki is for Roger what Buggy was for Luffy he concideres Roger his equal but I guess he is the only one that sees it that way
Hopefully because I never red that Shiki infiltrated ID it was only stated that he escaped and in the lmanga you see Magellan saying that Luffy is the first who ever infiltrated ID
And most likely sees Shiki himself a rival to Roger but always gets his ass kicked by him (luffy ---> Buggy)

LordZet
November 23, 2009, 12:33 PM
No roger fighting shiki lame.

Lord Rayleigh
November 23, 2009, 01:38 PM
The spoiler for this chapter is very likely to be fake :
It was said in the manga that there was already one man that escaped ID (Gold Lion Shiki) but that Luffy was the FIRST ONE in all ID's history to invade ID
Roger and the PK crew have never been captured according to Rayleigh.

Antera Caramichael
November 23, 2009, 01:47 PM
Wrong: It was said that Shiki already broke out of Impel Down, Luffy just made the greatest escape of the history of the gaol.
Secondly: It was stated by Rayleigh himself that the Marines hid the fact that Roger surrendered in order to make it more spectacular, no one exept the Marine and Roger's Crew knew about it, so there is no problem to say "capture" since it is a general truth. After all, there would be no reason for Shiki to investigate if he knew Roger surrendered...

Lord Rayleigh
November 23, 2009, 02:00 PM
Wrong: It was said that Shiki already broke out of Impel Down, Luffy just made the greatest escape of the history of the gaol.
Secondly: It was stated by Rayleigh himself that the Marines hid the fact that Roger surrendered in order to make it more spectacular, no one exept the Marine and Roger's Crew knew about it, so there is no problem to say "capture" since it is a general truth. After all, there would be no reason for Shiki to investigate if he knew Roger surrendered...
It was said that Shiki already broke out of ID but that Luffy was the first one (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/530/06/) to invade ID as I already said. Then, the spoiler contradicts the manga unless it was a mistranslation in the 530th chapter.
About the rest, that's right. In fact, more than twenty years ago, Roger gave himself to the marines, so that can fit.

Razh
November 23, 2009, 02:17 PM
The spoiler for this chapter is very likely to be fake :
It was said in the manga that there was already one man that escaped ID (Gold Lion Shiki) but that Luffy was the FIRST ONE in all ID's history to invade ID
Roger and the PK crew have never been captured according to Rayleigh.

Spoiler says that Shiki infiltrated Impel Down. It could mean a lot of things.
Like letting himself captured just to find out what happened with Roger.
If he's crazy enough.
Roger let himself be captured...

Anyway, I'm surprised that you think it's fake just because of that.

fallou
November 23, 2009, 02:19 PM
Luffy broke in, shiki was captured, so his plans to infiltrate failed. I don't see no contradiction. And yes, everyone thought Roger had been captured...or yeah shiki actually let himself be captured, but it's not the same thing Luffy did,...That really doesn't tell that the script's fake

DARK
November 23, 2009, 03:13 PM
Right now is too early to determine the validity of the spoilers from both this and the regular manga chapter.

Yans86
November 23, 2009, 05:25 PM
guys,do u seriously think that Oda would have shown Roger fight and his power(haki,DF or anything else)????This would just ruin some mistery and would give us a steppin stone to let us understand how far Luffy has to go.....ehich I don't think is Oda way of thinkin seein how he is handling WB(old-sick-injured but still a beast,but maybe beatable now)...

Dragon Slayer
November 23, 2009, 09:32 PM
guys,do u seriously think that Oda would have shown Roger fight and his power(haki,DF or anything else)????This would just ruin some mistery and would give us a steppin stone to let us understand how far Luffy has to go.....ehich I don't think is Oda way of thinkin seein how he is handling WB(old-sick-injured but still a beast,but maybe beatable now)...

to tell u the truth if it took 3 admirals to block just one of his attacks it would take all three of them together to beat him or else one on one. NO CHANCE.
i wanna c some more of jozu. he almost killed crocodile in 1 blow. :facepalm

Rotten The Wizard
November 23, 2009, 10:00 PM
wow this guy was out of his mind, just like luffy

Darkever
November 23, 2009, 10:10 PM
to tell u the truth if it took 3 admirals to block just one of his attacks it would take all three of them together to beat him or else one on one. NO CHANCE.
i wanna c some more of jozu. he almost killed crocodile in 1 blow. :facepalm
If Kizaru was able to take Railegh one-on-one, even whithout much effort (at the end of their fight, Railegh was quite exhausted, but Kizaru was fresh and clean), then a single admiral should be able to take WB one-on-one in his current conditions. Mostly depends on devil fruit interactions.

Similar case with Croc vs Jozu... Croc's df seems nearly useless against him. But, yeah, I'm curious to see more Jozu, Vista, and most of all Marco in action. Btw I hope the role of the Shichibukai isn't just finished like that. We saw really few of them.

luffi_2009
November 23, 2009, 10:35 PM
hi everyone here :blink

i have questions .

what is chapter 0 ?

chapter 0 after the movie or what ?

and when is the one piece movie 10 Display ?

am i my grammar good or bad because i am learning english now ?
:)

BlackHair
November 24, 2009, 01:14 AM
to tell u the truth if it took 3 admirals to block just one of his attacks it would take all three of them together to beat him or else one on one. NO CHANCE. Well thats not true. Its not like the Admirals had to combine their powers to block one of WB's attack. I mean they weren't exhausted or anything, so that's quite wrong. Its jsut easier to team up to block one attack, that was probably the reason. I have to agree with Darkever.


@luffi_2009 (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1685432&postcount=61): This post (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1679959&postcount=2) might help you.

Foxdie
November 24, 2009, 02:36 AM
Who thinks that maybe we will never see Shiki in the Anime in future?
and this movie only just like other movies, not related to the story, even if Sengoku-Ginsai mentioned before his name (Golden Lion Shiki)??

For me, I don't think this movie is the end of Shiki .. I mean, I think it's the beginning of his story .....

Idol
November 24, 2009, 01:15 PM
Soruce: 2ch
Credit: ID:y0Ds1wncO
Verification: Confirmed

0巻
ロジャー、金獅子、センゴク、ガープ等のロジャーが捕らえられた頃の話。
当時ロジャーと金獅子はライバル関係だった。金獅子はライバルと認めていたロジャーが、捕まった事がどうし ても信じられず、自らインペルダウンへ確認しにいく。
しかし捕まってしまう。金獅子は自分の両足を切り脱獄する。という内容。ちなみに、センゴクが大将の時はコ ング元帥。







Soruce: AP
Credit: Aohige_AP
Verification: Confirmed

After much debating with myself, I decided hell why not, I'll post them.
These are spoilers by Apprentice, a spoiler provider who posts One Piece spoilers on a cellphone only forum.

Keep in mind, the only thing identifying him as the same poster is his cellphone model.
Meaning, anyone with the same model phone could impersonate him... although that should end up having two different Apprentice posts, which hasn't happened yet. And no one has attempted to do so yet either, making his posts fairly reliable.

But please be aware, even though he has provided accurate early spoilers for several month, I don't usually use his spoilers until Nja or someone else confirms it a few days later, due to the lack of secured identity. Due to this nature I don't consider his posts as reliable as Nja (who secures his handle with a tripcode), even if he has consistently provided real spoilers.

Anyways, here goes.







Soruce: JJT (http://juinjutsuteam.forumcommunity.net/)
Credit: Idol
Verification: Confirmed

Come spiegato da Aohige_AP su AP,l'utente che ha postato questi spoiler è Apprentice uno dei tanti spoiler provider di One Piece che posta su 2ch tramite cellulare.
E' stato possibile riconoscerlo grazie al modello di cellulare con cui scrive i post.
Questo però vuol dire anche che chiunque sia in possesso di un cellulare dello stesso modello può impersonarlo e postare boiate.
Finora quest'ultima,tragica possibilità,non si è mai verificata,quindi siamo fiduciosi.
Siate quindi consapevoli che potrebbe essere un fake come potrebbe essere lo spoiler reale.
Apprentice ha postato per diversi mesi gli spoiler confermati di One Piece,confermati il giorno dopo da Nja che ha un identificazione sicura su 2ch.





Sorry guys,
I have forgotten to say that Nja has confirmed the spoiler script of Apprentice :facepalm

So this spoiler is confirmed

iKeno
November 24, 2009, 01:57 PM
If Kizaru was able to take Railegh one-on-one, even whithout much effort (at the end of their fight, Railegh was quite exhausted, but Kizaru was fresh and clean), then a single admiral should be able to take WB one-on-one in his current conditions. Mostly depends on devil fruit interactions.

Similar case with Croc vs Jozu... Croc's df seems nearly useless against him. But, yeah, I'm curious to see more Jozu, Vista, and most of all Marco in action. Btw I hope the role of the Shichibukai isn't just finished like that. We saw really few of them.

Yeah Raleigh hasn't been active for years of course some of his monstrous strength would have been washed away. Kizaru looks way younger than him which gives him that upper hand on the stamina. Kizaru couldn't go after luffy and co. know why? Because old man Raleigh was holding him off. Yeah Raleigh was the vice captain and I don't know how strong roger was but surely he would have been stronger than the vice captain and let's not forget that whitebeard and roger fought equally. Knowing this we can assume that one admiral can't dream of taking down WB by themselves.

Croco boy's df seems hax against him..he can just grap the parts that aren't covered with diamonds and hax him? Nah I don't think that would but the full ability's of crocs fruit haven't been revealed as of yet :D

DARK
November 24, 2009, 06:02 PM
In the end, this spoiler is confirmed.
I want to see Fleet Admiral Kong and Sengoku as an Admiral.

BurnSchulz
November 24, 2009, 08:47 PM
Please... in this whole One Piece discussions, please dont talk about Strength.


Oda is way to genious to let it end likke Dragonball, where you can make a ranking of wich one is the strongest...

bittman
November 24, 2009, 11:25 PM
Yes! Fleet Admiral Kong and young Sengoku!

I'm looking forward to seeing how Shiki got captured. I mean, if he was Roger's level how strong a security force did Impel Down have to actually capture Shiki in his prime?

Then again Magellan is already something else, if you imagine a security force with a loyal Shiryuu and Magellan, modern day Impel Down was probably already at a level where someone like a Yonkou could be stopped. Still, I wonder if they'll show what existed before Magellan + Shiryuu?

cepillon
November 25, 2009, 05:11 AM
pics!!

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8211/118yvd27c5as.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/118yvd27c5as.jpg/) http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5502/118yvd17c5ap.th.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/118yvd17c5ap.jpg/)

http://c.pic.to/118yvd

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5605/14aeix282d4.th.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/14aeix282d4.jpg/) http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/743/14aeix182d4.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/14aeix182d4.jpg/)

http://e.pic.to/14aeix
http://a.pic.to/1bd1y0

cepillon
November 25, 2009, 05:29 AM
mORE pics from chapter 0

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5093/10g1u329caf.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/10g1u329caf.jpg/) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9476/10g1u319caf.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/10g1u319caf.jpg/) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2936/17c54v26173.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/17c54v26173.jpg/) http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7225/17c54v16173.th.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/17c54v16173.jpg/)

Xenos3421
November 25, 2009, 05:35 AM
iz that doflamingo? O shit. it is.

wow. he's gonna be an important piece of everything from now on...

BOUT TIME!!!

cepillon
November 25, 2009, 05:41 AM
http://b.pic.to/1046dk

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8185/1046dk1f492.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/1046dk1f492.jpg/) http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2430/1046dk2f492.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/i/1046dk2f492.jpg/)

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 05:42 AM
I do not understand those pictures, it seems as two of those people were young flamingo and Mihawk, but on the same page as shanks and buggy, what's up whit that? Oda doesn't introduce stuff by accident.

Familiar faces popping up again in here. Young chef and stuff. Happy times for fans, I am psyched!!!

Kibate
November 25, 2009, 05:58 AM
I do not understand those pictures, it seems as two of those people were young flamingo and Mihawk, but on the same page as shanks and buggy, what's up whit that? Oda doesn't introduce stuff by accident.

Familiar faces popping up again in here. Young chef and stuff. Happy times for fans, I am psyched!!!
it's most likely their reactions to rogers death

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 06:00 AM
it's most likely their reactions to rogers death

Or maybe somthing to do with Shiki? Neh, probably not. Buggy is crying like a fish.

monkey D luffy
November 25, 2009, 06:06 AM
woohoo so many familiar faces, probably with the news about roger! awesome chapter! someone scanlate it already!

Goos
November 25, 2009, 06:39 AM
Guys, I think that was the Roger execution.
If you see the picture in which there are DoFlamingo, Buggy, Hawkeyes, Shanks & Dragon, there is rain. They seem to be in the same scenario, which probably is LongueTown 20 years ago.

Also, other people are shown, for example Robin Lucci, the treasure guy - from the really begining of the series-, Garp playing with kid-Luffy.

Another point is the issue on Impel Down, where Shiki's two-cut-legs are shown in the shackels.

Anyway, it is promising! Hahaha :).

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 06:54 AM
Guys, I think that was the Roger execution.
If you see the picture in which there are DoFlamingo, Buggy, Hawkeyes, Shanks & Dragon, there is rain. They seem to be in the same scenario, which probably is LongueTown 20 years ago.


Why is dragon in logue town? For a walk/vacation? Or to see a legend die? Or to get some inspiration? Or to see what trigers the new era? This could be an other fact that can be interpreted differently and can be subject to many heated discussions in the tree of knowledge section, eheh.

Fox666
November 25, 2009, 07:33 AM
Huh? When I first looked I feel quite obvious it was Roger execution, and Buggy is crying there...

I wasn't expecting Doflamingo would be such an important character! And Moria or Kuma aren't there as I would expect

Hmm, wait, they are too big to rid beetween normal people watching the execution, that's ok

Razh
November 25, 2009, 07:41 AM
Oda just shows important characters of today how they were in the past. There wouldn't be much point in showing some important people who were there but died long before our story even started.

So Dragon added his tattoos in the next 12 years after the execution. I'm saying that because he had them in Vivi and Dalton flashback on Drum.

I hope we get to see more than "just" Impel Down and Roger's execution.

sarutobi_sensei
November 25, 2009, 08:38 AM
ZOMG so many familiar faces!

That baby who looks like sanji, is it sanji or duval? xD

But damn this is going to be a blast!

goldb
November 25, 2009, 08:50 AM
OMG MIhawk!!!! I'm physically on the edge of my seat wait for this chapter!!! awww and baby Duval with the curlybrow

Idol
November 25, 2009, 08:53 AM
Soruce: JJT (http://juinjutsuteam.forumcommunity.net/)
Credit: Idol
Verification: Confirmed

Please, if you want post this translation on your forum/site, put the credit :)



Capitolo 0.
La storia prende luogo indietro nel tempo,quando Roger,Gold Lion Shiki, Sengoku e Garp erano nel fiore della loro età.
Roger fu catturato.
Shiki e Roger al tempo erano grandi rivali.
Shiki non riusciva a credere che un uomo,ritenuto da lui stesso un degno rivale,fosse stato catturato dalla marina.
Decise cosi di scoprire la verità infiltrandosi da solo ad Impel Down.
Sfortunatamente anche Shiki fu catturato,ma riusci a fuggire tagliandosi una gamba.
Sengoku all'epoca era un ammiraglio,sopra di lui c'era l'ammiraglio di flotta Kong.

IMMAGINI SPOILER CAPITOLO 0

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PRIMA IMMAGINE



Originally Posted by Aohige_AP View Post
Madre(?): Oh no, è terribile!
Un bambino è nato maledetto!!
Dev'essere la maledizione dell'era dei pirati!
Duval: Bwaaaaahnurabeccha waaahnurabeccha!

SECONDA IMMAGINE


Si vede un giovane Mihawk.

TERZA IMMAGINE


Garp: Qui,qui piccolo dolce Ace!! E' lo zio Garp!!
Ace: Aaaah! aaahh!
Dadan?: Oh, hey Garp!!.... Voglio dire, Mr Garp, non sapevo che fossi tornato!?

LOL Duval parlava quello strano dialetto anche appena nato.

QUARTA IMMAGINE



Un piccolo Lucci e la futura CP9 si allenano.
Marine: La giustizia dev'essere forte!!! FORTE!! Dev'essere piu forte!!!

QUINTA IMMAGINE



Shiki: Jihahahahaha..... Hai visto le mie due spade?
Sono entrambe spade straordinarie! L'Outou, e la Kogarashi.
Hannyabal: S...s...stai facendo un ottima promozione!! (penso alle spade)
Oooops, volevo dire, Shiki!!!

SESTA IMMAGINE:



Doppia pagina color

SETTIMA IMMAGINE:


Compaiono dei giovani Mihawk,Buggy,Doflamingo,Shanks e Dragon senza tatuaggio in faccia.

OTTAVA IMMAGINE



Shanks: Sono venuto qui perchè ho sentito molto parlare di un uomo chiamato Yasopp.
Oh, dimenticavo... io sono Shanks,un pirata.
Yasopp: !

Merry: "Going Merry".... yeah!! Vorrei poter costruire una nave simile un giorno!

Zeff: Gold Lion,eh?
Pirate: Dicono che sia un pirata in grado di volare.

Kureha: Il mio piccolo sta schiumando dalla bocca... (il resto non si legge.)

ULTIMA IMMAGINE:


Gaimon: MA CHE!? Dannazione!! Non riesco ad uscire!!! Merda, Miracle Fit!!!
Laboon: BWOOOOO!!!

zagorka
November 25, 2009, 09:35 AM
I'm looking, but I don't understand when this will be released? Maybe I missed something? I'm not asking for an exact date, but at least a just a reference. This week? Next Week? Are these installments of Volume 0 coming out every week from now on?

Protegon
November 25, 2009, 09:53 AM
News Pics i find it in 2ch :P

Source; Fedor (2ch)

http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459744.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459744.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459745.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459745.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459746.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459746.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459747.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459747.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459748.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459748.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459749.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459749.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459750.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459750.jpeg)

moved the pics here from the 565 spoiler thread

LALAPUI
November 25, 2009, 10:00 AM
OMG!!! Looks awesome!

goldb
November 25, 2009, 10:02 AM
Wow, amazing new pics.

Moria looks weird though. And I think that's Vivi's mum on the first image. and the cut off panel has the giants at Enies Lobby.

DaoneLuffy
November 25, 2009, 10:03 AM
Man this is freakin epic am I wrong or in that panel with zeff is that a young Dr. Vegapunk, cuz that would be sweet.

Gats
November 25, 2009, 10:09 AM
Oh my... Crocodile's face is not showed, now I'm almost sure that he was a woman (his big secret). :D

Akainu
November 25, 2009, 10:09 AM
the whitehaired guy? no that's merry who constructed the going merry, the strawhats very first ship

goldb
November 25, 2009, 10:15 AM
If volume 0 is gonna be something more than this, then I'm really looking forward to that too; maybe it'll just be a more in-depth thing. But it's really hard to explain and express how happy I feel to see this chapter of OP's history 20 years ago. the panel with the Marines look like some disfunctional family.

Yans86
November 25, 2009, 10:17 AM
OK.........I'm just................WOW!!!!!! I'm sorry to saying everytime that Oda is god,that he is beyond awesome...that the chapter is EPIC ecc......ecc.....but well..........................................................................THIS IS BEYOND EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I mean,there's not another manga outthere(And I'ver readen a lot of them since I was a baby) that are on this level of....WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!
Everything Oda does is just shocking fantsticawesome!!!!!!!!!!!

Darkever
November 25, 2009, 10:20 AM
Wow! The three Boa sisters before being kidnapped! I'm gonna love this number 0!

I guess the only straw hats we'll see are Brook, Franky and Robin. Not sure about Robin, but she should be old enough... All the others are still unborn at that time...

DaoneLuffy
November 25, 2009, 10:22 AM
Oh so it wasn't Vegapunk dammit I guess that was wishful thinking, and another thing Moria looks hardcore I bet he is slim and not all fat and overweight.

Hitsug@ya ta1ch0u
November 25, 2009, 10:22 AM
HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude Moria young and skinny looks like a badass. I can believe he fought on par with Kaidou.

Darkever
November 25, 2009, 10:25 AM
There should be little Smoker near Roger's execution platform, too.
We know he witnessed it.

Btw I was curious to see Croc's face 20 years ago... but it seems every character gets a single appearance, and in that one Croc is seen from behind... :-(

sarutobi_sensei
November 25, 2009, 10:27 AM
DAMN we might even see Dadan since it mentions him in the spoilers!

ZOMG!

J M Fangio
November 25, 2009, 10:29 AM
everything in chapter 0 looklike a classic story :D

chess4
November 25, 2009, 10:57 AM
mORE pics from chapter 0

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5093/10g1u329caf.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/i/10g1u329caf.jpg/) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9476/10g1u319caf.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/10g1u319caf.jpg/) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2936/17c54v26173.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/17c54v26173.jpg/) http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7225/17c54v16173.th.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/17c54v16173.jpg/)

does usopp have hurcules(the guy from his cover story) hat on?
[hr]

Oh my... Crocodile's face is not showed, now I'm almost sure that he was a woman (his big secret). :D

never thought about that. could it be possible he use to be a women.


also most of the people oda has shown in the pics so far, seem to be relevant in the story now. so does that mean lucci is coming back?

i hopw we gwt to see more people from rogers crew

Protegon
November 25, 2009, 11:20 AM
Selin, those pics was posted for me in the six page:
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55399&page=6

and with thumbnails

The translation, thanks Aohige :D

monkey D luffy
November 25, 2009, 11:21 AM
it mustve took oda a hell of a lot of time. to show every single character we saw for almost 600 episodes when they were younger, wow that massive amount of pages. i think this chapter is going to be something like 60 pages and if thats true then the 3 breaks he had in the last couple of monthes were dedicated to this thing and its reasonable. wow, absolutly wow.

Protegon
November 25, 2009, 11:24 AM
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Translation of pics by Aohige


Young Aokiji (Kuzan) is there also, he's working under Garp.
Garp stormed out of Fleet Admiral Kong's office, even though Kong wasn't done with him.
Kong: I'm not done with you!!
Garp: Well I am. I don't care if you're not.

Kuzan: Hey Mr Garp, you declined another offer to be promoted didn't you? Man, you're so cool!
Garp: I don't want any higher rank than my current one if I plan to stay free and do what I want.
Hey Otsuru-chan, let me on your ship if you're going out!
Otsuru: You didn't get the permission to go, did you? No way, I don't want you on my ship. You always destroy ships right away.
Garp: Come on, don't say that... Roger is mine, I'm the one who's gonna put an end to him.

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 11:26 AM
What is on the head of the bat wings-guy or possibly Magellan or someone, or is it his head? It seems to me that something is dropped on his head by Shiki? Or is this a new character who is attending to Shiki or something?

msg
November 25, 2009, 11:27 AM
For those who complain and whine that Oda is taking a lot of breaks, you can suck your own ****.Just wow!..Young Don Krieg!!!

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 11:34 AM
Where is young Don Krieg?

sarutobi_sensei
November 25, 2009, 11:37 AM
lol if croc was a woman before I'll be partially shocked because it was joked when Iva said he knew a secret of him xD
[hr]
It's Diamond-head-ossan. Montblan Cricket and not Don Krieg xD

is that Saulo?

Aokiji looked happy when he was young and not a vice admiral yet.

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 11:40 AM
Is that Ace or Luffy?

What the heck is on the head or is it the head of someone in Impel Down? The guy Shiki looks down on.

Googlez_kun
November 25, 2009, 11:43 AM
this chapter's gonna rock sooo hard!!!really looking forward to it!!:D

dacookester
November 25, 2009, 11:47 AM
lol if croc was a woman before I'll be partially shocked because it was joked when Iva said he knew a secret of him xD
.

Ivas hormones to change arent permanent so i dont think he was a woman but maybe i want to see the cp9 as kids that looks pretty cool

sarutobi_sensei
November 25, 2009, 11:51 AM
Is that Ace or Luffy?

What the heck is on the head or is it the head of someone in Impel Down? The guy Shiki looks down on.

It's Ace. In one of the images Garp is saying hey there little ace.


this chapter's gonna rock sooo hard!!!really looking forward to it!!:D

not just the chapter, the entire volume 0 X)

goldb
November 25, 2009, 11:52 AM
So Garp not being an Admiral is simply by choice because he wants to be free. Seeing how the Gorosei were upset at Aokiji for leaving without warning, I can understand Garp's decision.

Googlez_kun
November 25, 2009, 11:54 AM
It's Ace. In one of the images Garp is saying hey there little ace.



not just the chapter, the entire volume 0 X)

that's even better!!:dance
the best thing is seeing all those characters in the past!

urlaub
November 25, 2009, 11:59 AM
But still the guy from Impel Down?

msg
November 25, 2009, 12:02 PM
It's Diamond-head-ossan. Montblan Cricket and not Don Krieg xD


*edited* Don Krieg and Cricket looks simillar..Oh well..We have to see but Cricket doesnt have a beard.I still go with Don Krieg

LOL..it is Cricket!..sorry

monkey D luffy
November 25, 2009, 12:31 PM
thats not don krieg, the diamond head ossan had these sideburns

Ustegius
November 25, 2009, 12:54 PM
But still the guy from Impel Down?

You mean the one Shiki is looking from up? Seemed to Hannybal for me. He had that weird 'faraoh-ish' hairdo/thing.

chess4
November 25, 2009, 02:39 PM
http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459744.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459744.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459745.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459745.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459746.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459746.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459747.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459747.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459748.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459748.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459749.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459749.jpeg) http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459750.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459750.jpeg)

Translation of pics by Aohige

i knew it. garp is stronger than a normal VA. he was offered the position of admiral, but he declined.

street_san
November 25, 2009, 02:59 PM
aight guys i'm might sound really noob but i'm taking the chances

What is really this chapter 0. I mean wasn't it supposed to be only reliated to Shiki and Roger ?

And how many pages will this chapter have ? Will their be a continuation next weeks ?

Akainu
November 25, 2009, 03:06 PM
no, this is a one-time only production that is supposed to show us a little background for the upcoming 10th One Piece movie.
it seems that Oda thinks it's necessary to know what shiki went through to understand what he acts like... and along comes a lot of cool scenes with known characters :amuse

how many pages this will have we don't know yet, but seeing how many unrelated pics there are already it could probably have full one-shot length, i.e. about 50 pages in the best case.

Fox666
November 25, 2009, 03:07 PM
Moria is not fat hahaha, I wasn't expecting that. He does not have that neck, maybe he wasn't gigantic early, just like Hancock sister?

Except for Blackbeard or Kuma all other Shichibukais there. I hope we see something about the Shichibukai formation.

Seems like we don't see nothing about Whitebeard there, hmm...

street_san
November 25, 2009, 03:09 PM
thank you very much.

It's kinda cool then to see some really important characters when they were young. Just like Chess4 said, knowing that Garp has been offered a rank above VA is something that can help us deducting the strength of Garp.

I mean, if he is soo confident that he can fight with Roger, could he be on par with Whitebeard. If both man are old and lost some of their strength, maybe their equal.

Anyway, thx for the info Akainu ^^

Ohh, and now I hope Oda'll stop taking some major breaks xD

cepillon
November 25, 2009, 03:28 PM
More pics ?

http://i.pic.to/10vyd6

Black Lagoon
November 25, 2009, 03:33 PM
that freak maybe Moria's Daddy :fan

Razh
November 25, 2009, 03:43 PM
Moria is not fat hahaha, I wasn't expecting that. He does not have that neck, maybe he wasn't gigantic early, just like Hancock sister?


It's not really a surprise. We did know that he changed his philosophy and got lazy and fat only after he lost completely against Kaidou.
He reminds me of Kid.
[hr]

Ivas hormones to change arent permanent so i dont think he was a woman but maybe i want to see the cp9 as kids that looks pretty cool

Sex change hormones aren't permanent? I don't remember reading that anywhere. Care to elaborate?

Oda sure loves to keep teasing us about Crocodile's sex.

chess4
November 25, 2009, 03:44 PM
i want to see crocodiles face now. i wonder what secret invankov knows about him? i think lucci and cp9 will make a comback in this story eventually.

Razh
November 25, 2009, 03:51 PM
i want to see crocodiles face now. i wonder what secret invankov knows about him? i think lucci and cp9 will make a comback in this story eventually.

I can almost see them as Revolutionaries.

Let it be noted that I was the first to say it. If there was someone else before, I apologize.

MAX_COLA_POWER!
November 25, 2009, 03:54 PM
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2936/17c54v26173.jpg , the person on the left of kid Shanks, is that Dragon or Kaidou? Cause if it's Dragon, without the face tattoo, it kinda feels like it's not him.

goldb
November 25, 2009, 03:58 PM
That's Dragon before he had his tattoo. I wonder how Moria got fat. Was it the depression from losing to Kaidou?

chess4
November 25, 2009, 03:59 PM
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2936/17c54v26173.jpg , the person on the left of kid Shanks, is that Dragon or Kaidou? Cause if it's Dragon, without the face tattoo, it kinda feels like it's not him.

yea, that dragon without the tats on his face

Metal D. Reaper
November 25, 2009, 04:00 PM
we never saw that garp was already a vice-admiral at that time soo we don't know if he declined that offer
Also garp fought on par with roger several times
Roger stated that they fought that many times and almost killed each other a dozen of times ==> Roger = Whitebeard = Garp (20 years ago)

Everybody young that a surprise didn't expect that seriously Oda you're the god of writers
The secret of croc has nothing to do with his sex that would be Lame (big L) I think that it has more to do with his life before being shishibukai he had only a 80.000.000 bounty for such a streng he had to do something pretty awesome
Hopefully will see Roger fighting with garp and whitebeard that would be WOOOoooOOW the three greatest fighters against each other at that time
We will maybe see the whole roger crew at their best and see the young rayleigh fighting and finally understanding what Garp said about fighting 2 legends when facing rayleigh and soo see if they had Df or not
prediction Roger = Gold power (that's lame but could work + a sucky and lame wordplay :p XD LOL)

chess4
November 25, 2009, 04:00 PM
I can almost see them as Revolutionaries.

Let it be noted that I was the first to say it. If there was someone else before, I apologize.

it seems like crocodile is on a ship and his crew is cheering about something.

Razh
November 25, 2009, 04:03 PM
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2936/17c54v26173.jpg , the person on the left of kid Shanks, is that Dragon or Kaidou? Cause if it's Dragon, without the face tattoo, it kinda feels like it's not him.

Of course it's Dragon. Why would it be Kaidou?

Oda wouldn't introduce one of Yonkou in the past before he was introduced in the present. This chapter 0 is supposed to show the characters that we have already met. Displaying a character that is yet to be introduced in the future in the past serves no purpose.
[hr]

it seems like crocodile is on a ship and his crew is cheering about something.

I think he's on the Logue Town square and people are cheering after Roger's last words.

Black Lagoon
November 25, 2009, 04:14 PM
I just want to know if Sengoku had that ridiculous afro back then... xD

goldb
November 25, 2009, 04:15 PM
I think that too. Man Mihawk and Doflamingo look so cool with their weird haircuts and costumes. So lemme get this straight, from the script it seems like Shiki was talking about having grade swords?

@Black Lagoon: he most probably did, remember 22 years in Ohara he did have it so unless he grew it in those 2 years in between then he had it...

Razh
November 25, 2009, 04:20 PM
That's Dragon before he had his tattoo. I wonder how Moria got fat. Was it the depression from losing to Kaidou?

Yes, as he said in the regular chapters.

deffkryz
November 25, 2009, 04:38 PM
http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459744.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459744.jpeg)

Ooh, Vivi's mother and Cobra ... Tonjit ... Dorey ... Burogey - I guess the guy with the axe might be Kashii.


http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459746.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459746.jpeg)

Isn't that Crocodile on the right panel? I don't think it's Smoker...


http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459749.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459749.jpeg)

Hancock, Sandersonia and Marigold, I suppose?


http://www.bankfotek.pl/thumb/459750.jpeg (http://www.bankfotek.pl/image/459750.jpeg)

Special thanks for this pic. Robin-chwan awesome as always.

DARK
November 25, 2009, 04:49 PM
This chapter provided little more than flashback of how several character(s) looked 20 years ago. At first glance, it doesn't seem to involve Gol or Shiki as much as we thought.

Lord Rayleigh
November 25, 2009, 04:50 PM
Whoooa ! Garp refused several times the position of Admiral : he was likely to be the stronger marine at this time, the only one able to deal with Roger, the key figure that had to be Admiral because of his power and glory but that did not want to.
And all those people, Mihawks, Doflamingo and Moria, fantastic. Moria looks really stronger than he is now. I've just noticed that Shanks'face is still not shown, I guess Oda does not want us to discover if BB had already injured him or not.

Razh
November 25, 2009, 04:52 PM
Isn't that Crocodile on the right panel? I don't think it's Smoker...


Who else? He even has pierced ear.

Smoker has light hair, plus he didn't smoke when he was a kid. Well, probably...

bittman
November 25, 2009, 05:14 PM
Basically this looks like the cameo flashback. Where in all these faces are they fitting in a story?

And yeah, pretty obvious why they haven't shown Croc's face yet. I still think Croc has a backstory coming in the future related to his scar and hook hand.

Moria looked badass, Mihawk looked hairy and Doflamingo still wore gay glasses.

Akainu
November 25, 2009, 05:21 PM
And yeah, pretty obvious why they haven't shown Croc's face yet. I still think Croc has a backstory coming in the future related to his scar and hook hand.

well, he fought Whitebeard at some point, so much is clear from one of the last chapters (at least that's how I understood it) - how that happend and where he got his scar and hook from we surely don't know, but putting two and two together...

NoLimit89
November 25, 2009, 06:01 PM
dammit, Moria looked like a badass.

Now I'm kinda disappointed that he's such a weakling(relatively) for a shikibukai.

Kaido better be a badass when Oda decides to introduce him.

Ero-Sanji
November 25, 2009, 06:20 PM
My favorite Don Krieg is not in it and Enels neither... :(

dacookester
November 25, 2009, 06:21 PM
Sex change hormones aren't permanent? I don't remember reading that anywhere. Care to elaborate?

.

remember inazuma changed sex a few times

Razh
November 25, 2009, 06:30 PM
remember inazuma changed sex a few times

I don't think he was doing it on his own, I think Emporio was changing him.

I remember that guy who wanted to kill Emporio because he turned his father the king into a woman. I don't think he would have hated Emporio that much if it wasn't a lasting effect.

elitefox
November 25, 2009, 08:54 PM
Who else? He even has pierced ear.

Smoker has light hair, plus he didn't smoke when he was a kid. Well, probably...

I wonder does his tobaco gets smaller?

MAX_COLA_POWER!
November 25, 2009, 09:00 PM
A simple "it's Dragon without the face tattoo" is enough. No need to get a bit jerky with the answers, Razh. Anyway, since Sengoku was an admiral back in the day, which of the 3 titles did he take? I'm gonna say Aokiji.

bittman
November 25, 2009, 09:06 PM
Assuming the titles are kept the same, I'd also have to put Sengoku as an Aokoji. Though he's not as carefree, I don't think Sengoku is as dark as Akainu, and definitely not as playful as a Kizaru. But you never know, titles could have been completely different.

Also: is young Kizaru in these spoilers? Who's the young guy with Garp?

elitefox
November 25, 2009, 09:11 PM
So aokiji is under Garp then, that explains why his justice is not like of the 2 other admirals

Mr. Crocodile
November 25, 2009, 09:15 PM
I find it interesting that 4 of the shichibukai(they probably weren't shichibukai at that time though) attended Roger's execution and even Dragon himself (relation to Roger? maybe..i wish). Poor Buggy apparently he did love his captain, cuz he's crying like a baby.

btw is the whole volume 0 coming out this week?

sarutobi_sensei
November 25, 2009, 09:38 PM
No, just a chapter this week. The remaining chapters come out on the volume which will be distributed (1.5 million copies) to the people who watch the movie in Japan.

So we have to hope that anyone of those people has the gentlessness (misspelling?) of providing a RAW.

In case you're also wondering the book will come out the same day as the movie, 12th december. So if we get lucky on the 13th or 15th of December we get the RAW.
[hr]
This is also going to be animated, only 3000 DVD's will be sold/distributed so that's going to be even more difficult.

Zojo
November 26, 2009, 12:23 AM
All the soon-to-be shichibukai are observing the execution of Roger? lol...if there was ever foreshadowing in One Piece, that would be it. I bet Crocodile, Doflammingo, and Moria were like Supernovas back then. Now...you have/had the supernovas watching the execution of Ace.

Dragon is the most interesting person to see there. I'm sure there's something deeper and more mystic behind his reasons for being there. I'm sure the whole Will of D story fits into it....and Roger was something special to that lineage, maybe.

I'd be interesting if Dragon and Roger came up with the famous One Piece speech to set the world into a new era. Maybe they were nakama or family or something.

otaclub_87
November 26, 2009, 01:18 AM
where's nami at colored cover??

_AceOfSpades_
November 26, 2009, 01:45 AM
where's nami at colored cover??

I think Nami was taken hostage by Shiki, so she isn't there ... since the cover is related to strong world movie - I think that's the reason.

Drmke
November 26, 2009, 01:47 AM
No, just a chapter this week. The remaining chapters come out on the volume which will be distributed (1.5 million copies) to the people who watch the movie in Japan.

So we have to hope that anyone of those people has the gentlessness (misspelling?) of providing a RAW.

In case you're also wondering the book will come out the same day as the movie, 12th december. So if we get lucky on the 13th or 15th of December we get the RAW.
<hr noshade size="1">
This is also going to be animated, only 3000 DVD's will be sold/distributed so that's going to be even more difficult.

You sure about it being a full volume because all I've heard since this was announced was that its just a chapter, they are just putting a cover on it when you get it at the movie.

Akainu
November 26, 2009, 04:15 AM
the volume will likely have this chapter we get now, plus some artwork done by Oda for the animation of the movie. it's not like there are 9 more chapters to come (not even one if you ask me)

d3death
November 26, 2009, 04:41 AM
quick translation of two pages

credits Aohige_AP




Marine: It's just one man!! The enemy is Gold Lion Shiki alone!!
Shiki: There's no way losers like you would capture Roger!!! I don't believe it!!
He's the one man I recognize!!!
"The Pirate King"!? What about it!!
If he had lent me his hand... we could have ruled the entire world!!
We didn't get along with each other, but we both lived through the same era!!
If he's here, bring him to me!! If you plan to kill him, let me do the killing!!

Sengoku: Roger is the "Pirate King". Your rivalry with him ended with his victory.
The execution is one week later, in the East Blue where he was born....in Loguetown, the "The city of beginning".
Garp: Roger's death will most likely break the hearts of all pirates.
Shiki: You're telling me the legend of the Pirate King will end in the weakest sea of all, the East Blue!?
Don't make me laugh!! Is this your final insult to that bastard!?
Garp: You consider it the weakest, but the East Blue is a symbol of peace...!!
Sengoku: We won't let you get in the way of the execution....!!!

Garp, Sengoku, and Shiki....
The battle between the three ended with the town of Marineford half destroyed.
This is how pirate Gold Lion was imprisoned in Impel Down.

I like how Shiki was a duel whielding swordsman before

Razh
November 26, 2009, 05:01 AM
Marineford half destroyed? I realized Shiki was strong, but that much...
He was fighting probably against more than just Garp and Sengoku too.


A simple "it's Dragon without the face tattoo" is enough. No need to get a bit jerky with the answers, Razh.

Oh gimme a break.

gfire2
November 26, 2009, 05:52 AM
lol chibi lucci and boa, oda ftw!!

but wtf was that battle ship stuck in marineford lol

otaclub_87
November 26, 2009, 05:53 AM
I think Nami was taken hostage by Shiki, so she isn't there ... since the cover is related to strong world movie - I think that's the reason.

thanks for the info..my bad, i haven't seen the newest chapter or the movie summary yet..

monkey D luffy
November 26, 2009, 05:53 AM
sengoku lokks hilarius without his hat XD

Diablos
November 26, 2009, 06:24 AM
Ahaha, Sengoku afro ftw XD, marines back then sure were badass page 15, Sengoku and Garp taking coats off totally badass :D

Finale
November 26, 2009, 06:46 AM
Shiki or Golden Lion is really a badass then. If this is the case i dont see how Luffy takes him. If Shiki was a rival of Roger, and Raleigh as an old man could stand up to an admiral that Luffy couldnt hope to beat, then how does Luffy beat this guy in the movie? It'll be interesting to see.

bittman
November 26, 2009, 06:48 AM
Oh god, just imagining Shiki v Garp + Sengoku is enough to make my mouth drool. Seeing them charge each other is awesome enough.

I'm more interested in some of the other cameos that aren't Shichibukai tbh. The creation of going merry, belmere in the marines, baby sanji (or duval? Haha), VA Saul, Vivi's mum, Drum empire, rookie prison-guard Magellan.

But actually, you know what everyone here should keep their eye on knowing that it's Oda here? I just spied with my little eye some more Roger pirates. Doesn't look like anyone we know, but good to remember the design for the future.

BlackHair
November 26, 2009, 07:30 AM
Im confused about Shiki vs Garp+Sengoku. And the fact that Shiki alone was enough to do damage to that extent. Honestly his character is powerfull and I rly believe equal to Roger and Whitebeard, like mentioned in the spoilers.

So I can only repeat myself, I don't wane see him loosing to Luffy, even if he is past him prime and lost his legs. I have faith in Oda, but hoping to not mess with powerlevels like in Bleach. Well lets wait and see. IMO Luffy should be only be able to beat him, if manages to control haki. But without haki, I sure don't wont him defeating him. No matter what explanation Oda might pull off.

Anyway putting that aside. I amazed that Oda could fill in so many known character in one chapter. Really looking forward to the developments. Only thing I disliked or rather I missed in this chapter, was a proper introduction for Roger.

Youbba
November 26, 2009, 10:13 AM
OMG, guys look at the page 8, the panel with roger face, In his hat he has his jolly roger symbol
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8176/pkjollyroger.jpg

I think it's the first time we can see it in the manga

hdiuy
November 26, 2009, 10:18 AM
Is it just me or that the sight of Roger holding a pistol disturbing? I mean the pirate king holding a pistol is kind of like a stereo-typed view, but for the Pirate King in OP... I guess it doesn't suit me .

urlaub
November 26, 2009, 10:21 AM
Where are the pictures of chapter 0? I seem not to find them? There are some in this thread, but certainly not all the ones you guys are talking about.

Akainu
November 26, 2009, 10:27 AM
there's a link to the raw in the first post of this thread;)

Dragon Walker
November 26, 2009, 10:31 AM
Wait, did I just saw Saul amongst the marines AND Nico Robin on the run in the same chapter? Does this mean that the Ohara incident occurred right before/after the execution of Roger?

Rotten The Wizard
November 26, 2009, 10:42 AM
Is it just me or that the sight of Roger holding a pistol disturbing? I mean the pirate king holding a pistol is kind of like a stereo-typed view, but for the Pirate King in OP... I guess it doesn't suit me .


Honestly

The strongest man in the world duble weilding a pistol and a sword?
ODA did us injustice there. We deserve to see what Rogers abilities were

Akainu
November 26, 2009, 10:46 AM
in a chapter like this? no.
rather: be happy to see how he looked like with his emblem and all (even two additional crew members if I saw that right) the rest will follow in the manga later on <.<'

jokey
November 26, 2009, 10:51 AM
anyone know where i can get the translations? i cant read japanese...ahahaha...

urlaub
November 26, 2009, 10:59 AM
this shit is da thing!

Fox666
November 26, 2009, 11:04 AM
There was an old theory that Gaimon would be a member of the Roger pirates, looking at that chapter it doesn't seem so...

But looking at how Roger is dressed, he does looks like Gaimon captain: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/22/18/

Diablos
November 26, 2009, 11:09 AM
Wait, did I just saw Saul amongst the marines AND Nico Robin on the run in the same chapter? Does this mean that the Ohara incident occurred right before/after the execution of Roger?

This intrigues me too... because the hole chapter seems to be timed-linked(same time) or atleast very short time between parts...


OH MAI GAWD, I cannot help but to laugh XD that what took most attetion to me and probably everyone else in this chapter was most of people and little on Shiki ahaha

*edit* LOL dunno if anyone noticed yet, but in the panel that roger has a gun, look to the right,next to shanks aint a panda there? LOL

RichardMNixon
November 26, 2009, 11:48 AM
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/17/ Roger was executed 22 years ago, so he wasn't Gaimon's captain.

Ohara was 20 years ago, so it wasn't concurrent but the chapter could span a wide time range.

Roger dual-wielding (how could anyone say dual-wield in a negative context?!) pistol and saber sounds wicked awesome to me.

sarutobi_sensei
November 26, 2009, 01:46 PM
Yoshaaaaa It's available for download on the main site!


gogogogogogog ima read right now.

Razh
November 26, 2009, 01:49 PM
Honestly

The strongest man in the world duble weilding a pistol and a sword?
ODA did us injustice there. We deserve to see what Rogers abilities were

Those are probably more decorative than anything else. A gun anyway. I have trouble believing that someone like him would actually need weapons in battle. Besides, Blackbeard has guns too. We've seen how he depends on them...

sarutobi_sensei
November 26, 2009, 02:03 PM
Omg he has a steering wheel on his head and he is dumb xD

omfg a fucking battle between those 3 :D I sure wish we could see that.

what the hell a freaking battle ship went to the middle of the town! zomg.

Omg I loved it I wanna know if there's more or not!

I can't wait for the movie.

Damn. This is so freaking awesome!

d3death
November 26, 2009, 02:08 PM
Download Scan


http://rapidshare.com/files/312596685/OP_Strong_World_.zip


by sugooi



from AP

iKeno
November 26, 2009, 02:19 PM
The translation on sugoi's is too bad but it's understandable. This special reveals a lot of information we all wanted to know!

Aphalite
November 26, 2009, 02:25 PM
I loved it, loved all the flashbacks and the capture in a moment of time of what all the characters we know and love were doing at the two points in time

d3death
November 26, 2009, 02:28 PM
from franky house

http://www.franky-house.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10808

OunknownO
November 26, 2009, 02:33 PM
now we know.... sengoku was strong(and garp is strong enough to be an admiral, wow)...

PS. was that sanji or that ugly guy from shanbody arc?

d3death
November 26, 2009, 02:34 PM
now we know.... sengoku was strong(and garp is strong enough to be an admiral, wow)...

PS. was that sanji or that ugly guy from shanbody arc?

it was "that ugly guy from shanbody arc?" aka Duval

Truefan21
November 26, 2009, 02:38 PM
so shiki had to be tagged team by garp and sengoku to beat him and yet luffy will beat shiki (man i hope not)

RichardMNixon
November 26, 2009, 02:57 PM
Yes, Luffy, or maybe the entire straw hat crew, will beat a 22-years-past-his-prime Shiki who cut off his legs (though having weapons on your feet does seem like a good idea for someone who can fly) and whose gigantic fleet lost to Roger's single ship. As far as I could tell he acknowledged his inferiority to Whitebeard. Yes, he fought Sengoku and Garp. He lost. Chill out. This is Oda we're talking about!

I guess we can put to rest all the speculation as to why Garp is only a VA. He doesn't want the responsibility. And we can put the "Sengoku isn't strong" stuff to an end too.

Oh wow, I was about to ask if we should recognize the guy on page 18, but on a second look that's Zeff isn't it? Wonder how strong he was.

Edit: The crashed battleship in the middle of HQ was a glorious touch.

Razh
November 26, 2009, 03:01 PM
so shiki had to be tagged team by garp and sengoku to beat him and yet luffy will beat shiki (man i hope not)

It was 20 years ago. People age.

And it should still be pretty damn tough.
[hr]
Is it just me or is that part about the storm a little fishy?
My eyes almost fell off as I was trying to find any sign of Dragon among Roger pirates.

RichardMNixon
November 26, 2009, 03:03 PM
It was 20 years ago. People age.

And it should still be pretty damn tough.
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Is it just me or is that part about the storm a little fishy?
My eyes almost fell off as I was trying to find any sign of Dragon among Roger pirates.

I was thinking that too, but I only found pandaman. Roger "hears the voice of all things," maybe he knew the storm was coming and acted accordingly?

Aphalite
November 26, 2009, 03:07 PM
It was 20 years ago. People age.

And it should still be pretty damn tough.
<hr noshade size="1">
Is it just me or is that part about the storm a little fishy?
My eyes almost fell off as I was trying to find any sign of Dragon among Roger pirates.

The battle was before the great age of pirates even began (before Roger became Pirate King), so Dragon wasn't a factor back then

RichardMNixon
November 26, 2009, 03:09 PM
The battle was before the great age of pirates even began (before Roger became Pirate King), so Dragon wasn't a factor back then

The implication was that perhaps Dragon had been a Roger pirate, before he became a revolutionary.

Razh
November 26, 2009, 03:12 PM
The battle was before the great age of pirates even began (before Roger became Pirate King), so Dragon wasn't a factor back then

Dragon was a grownup as we can see during the execution. There's no telling how long he had his devil fruit but I think that storm is a little too mysterious. Just read the narration again. It's almost like Oda is teasing us.

TheBlackLotus
November 26, 2009, 03:14 PM
I was thinking that too, but I only found pandaman. Roger "hears the voice of all things," maybe he knew the storm was coming and acted accordingly?

This seems like the more logical possibility with Roger.

d3death
November 26, 2009, 03:16 PM
why is dragon missing the face tattoo?
or have we already discusses it?

LALAPUI
November 26, 2009, 03:16 PM
Yes, Luffy, or maybe the entire straw hat crew, will beat a 22-years-past-his-prime Shiki who cut off his legs (though having weapons on your feet does seem like a good idea for someone who can fly) and whose gigantic fleet lost to Roger's single ship. As far as I could tell he acknowledged his inferiority to Whitebeard. Yes, he fought Sengoku and Garp. He lost. Chill out. This is Oda we're talking about!

I guess we can put to rest all the speculation as to why Garp is only a VA. He doesn't want the responsibility. And we can put the "Sengoku isn't strong" stuff to an end too.

Oh wow, I was about to ask if we should recognize the guy on page 18, but on a second look that's Zeff isn't it? Wonder how strong he was.

Edit: The crashed battleship in the middle of HQ was a glorious touch.

Obviously shiki is treated and he is on the level of WB and Roger and if you didn't read the manga it was said that Shikis's ships was destroyed by sudden change of weather that this helped Roger's ship's and that Rogers ship would go down very easiey if it weren't for that no one didn't win they just left the battlefield it says exactly "an unfortunate accident happened to Shiki".

Akainu
November 26, 2009, 03:19 PM
eh... so roger knew where the weapon was oO but it's not the treasure he was talking about...
on another note, garp kinda resmbles Smoker ("I do what I want") yet on the other hand he is totally opposite in regards to positions... or do you think he'd stop at some point and do as he likes too?

luffy_boy
November 26, 2009, 03:24 PM
I have only one question:
Is Luffy at the moment 20 years, as he was born at the point that shiki had to wait 20 years.... which would mean that from the start of the series untill now have been 3 years.

Truefan21
November 26, 2009, 03:31 PM
Obviously shiki is treated and he is on the level of WB and Roger and if you didn't read the manga it was said that Shikis's ships was destroyed by sudden change of weather that this helped Roger's ship's and that Rogers ship would go down very easiey if it weren't for that no one didn't win they just left the battlefield it says exactly "an unfortunate accident happened to Shiki".

yeah so i am not seeing how luffy will beat him

Mr. Crocodile
November 26, 2009, 03:34 PM
Someone probably already mentioned this before but the reason why Croc's face wasn't shown is cuz he was Madame/Ms./Mrs. Crocodile back then lol..then he switched to Sir. (That's my theory at least)

Couple of things:
-Apparently Magellan wasn't the warden of Impel Down back then.
-Is that akainu walking next to Tsuru?
-I liked Roger's Jolly Roger (A bit similar to WB's but Oda added his own twist to it).
-The name "battle in edd war" sounds a little strange. I wonder if that's a place in the NW.
-The steering wheel stuck in Shiki's head is hilarious LOL.
-I also liked how Oda showed Rouge looking at the horizon.
-Fleet Admiral Kong eh. Too bad Oda didn't show his face, we might see him again in the future though, it wouldn't be much of a point introducing him just for the sake of the movie.
-It was nice seeing some other of the Roger pirates. Maybe the SHs will encounter them in the future.

Nice chapter overall. It was fun seeing everyone when they were young.

kaizoku king
November 26, 2009, 03:39 PM
so is this all or is the volume zero they get with the movie will have more to do with the world or is it the same chapter we just got

i also found pandaman next to shanks on page 6

and also realised we found out the age old discussion if sengoku can fight.

RichardMNixon
November 26, 2009, 03:45 PM
Obviously shiki is treated and he is on the level of WB and Roger and if you didn't read the manga it was said that Shikis's ships was destroyed by sudden change of weather that this helped Roger's ship's and that Rogers ship would go down very easiey if it weren't for that no one didn't win they just left the battlefield it says exactly "an unfortunate accident happened to Shiki".

It said "they" (general population? Shiki's crew?) thought Roger would lose. Obviously "they" underestimated him. How do you know the storm wasn't part of Roger's plan? He's also a D, he has fate armor that Shiki can't match, and Luffy's got it too.

Roger would also have gone down easily if he shot himself in the face. Who cares? He didn't go down easily, he won. "Fate holds no coincidences." ~ Blackbeard Pirates

One guy came out fine; the other guy retreated after losing half his fleet. You don't think there's a winner there?

The unfortunate accident was a joke, that was the steering wheel in his head.

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No, the timeline is consistent with all of One Piece happening in the span of less than a year. 22 years ago at Roger's execution, we see Rouge; she hasn't had Ace yet. Two years later when Shiki escapes we see Ace crawling and still no sign of Luffy.

Truefan21
November 26, 2009, 03:55 PM
garp is 22 years older and sengoku so are the current admirals yet luffy cannot and should not be able to beat them so i don't see how he will beat shiki when it took garp ad sengoku to take him down

Akainu
November 26, 2009, 03:58 PM
yeah so i am not seeing how luffy will beat him
shiki got braindamaged, shiki lost his feet, shiki aged all those are reason enough why someone can lose a fight. the Moria we saw in this chapter probably wouldn't have lost to Luffy either, but look what defeat and time did to him.
that aside we don't even know how their fight (Luffy vs. Shiki) will be. it's solely a matter of the movie to show us and the movie itself and all that happens in it is not canon, please keep that in mind.
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I have only one question:
Is Luffy at the moment 20 years, as he was born at the point that shiki had to wait 20 years.... which would mean that from the start of the series untill now have been 3 years.
no, Luffy wasn't born at all during the happenings of this chapter, he still is 17 years old (the baby shown was Ace)

zerocooldx
November 26, 2009, 04:00 PM
Well this chapter made the entire manga just that much more interesting and exciting. Especially from here on out.

Drmke
November 26, 2009, 04:08 PM
So was this chapter a prelude to just the movie or to the actual series?

OdaForPresident
November 26, 2009, 04:12 PM
Cool stuff. Garp turning down a promotion several times. So that means he used to be admiral level. Not a big surprise but cool anyway.

lyger23
November 26, 2009, 04:38 PM
Luffy technically doesn't have to punch someone out to beat them. Look at what happened to Gecko Moria. He got knocked out by Thriller Bark's falling mast. Same thing might happen to Shiki in the upcoming movie. Oh wait, something like that already DID happen, two decades ago, in the form of a steering wheel to the skull. Bad luck? Fate? Sh*t happens, will happen again.

Razh
November 26, 2009, 04:44 PM
As long as he's not a logia he can be beaten by Luffy.
I'm sure that even Whitebeard would feel some of Luffy's attacks, especially combined gear ones.

We've seen too little of the movie to know if there's going to be a classical showdown at the end of movie.

Googlez_kun
November 26, 2009, 04:54 PM
it's a pity that we won't see shiki's plan in the manga :(

Truefan21
November 26, 2009, 04:56 PM
shiki got braindamaged, shiki lost his feet, shiki aged all those are reason enough why someone can lose a fight. the Moria we saw in this chapter probably wouldn't have lost to Luffy either, but look what defeat and time did to him.
that aside we don't even know how their fight (Luffy vs. Shiki) will be. it's solely a matter of the movie to show us and the movie itself and all that happens in it is not canon, please keep that in mind.
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no, Luffy wasn't born at all during the happenings of this chapter, he still is 17 years old (the baby shown was Ace)

this is one piece the wheel one his head is not that serious
(he already acted like he was brain damaged)
the sword on his feet make him more dangerous since he can fly
moria underestimated luffy , he was not past his prime like WB

WB is weakened and sick and has a wound in his chest yet luffy cannot beat him
so i cannot see how luffy will beat shiki who is around WB and rogers level despite him weakened due to age
the only thing consoling me is that its non canon
btw will he make an appearance in the current mnga

zagorka
November 26, 2009, 04:57 PM
Damn, now I'm wishing more and more to see Garp and Sengoku fight. And Roger uses pistols? Actually his other hand may be holding a sword. And Aokiji admiring Garp. XD

Makes you wonder if Shiki will do something in the current chapters, or perhaps he already has? The opening of the gates? :/ Looks like his plans without the ultimate weapon still is quite destructive. Can't wait.


it's a pity that we won't see shiki's plan in the manga :(Wait, why? Am I missing something?

Googlez_kun
November 26, 2009, 05:00 PM
Wait, why? Am I missing something?

if i'm not mistaken this chapter(or the volume)served as a set-up for the next OP movie!
so the story will continue in the manga iirc

beastboy
November 26, 2009, 05:10 PM
Well... the cliff hanger Oda left there... maybe the movie will be a resume, of some kick ass arc in the new World..
I mean.. Usopp with a Kabuto like hat in his head.. new outfits.. Maybe that is how they'll look in the new world :)!
Now I'm really wanting that this cliff hanger is not for the movie (only)!
*_*

NoLimit89
November 26, 2009, 05:11 PM
I'm confused. So the chapter 0 is canon, but the movie that it introduces is not???

That does not make sense. Why would the movie not be canon?

Googlez_kun
November 26, 2009, 05:15 PM
I'm confused. So the chapter 0 is canon, but the movie that it introduces is not???

That does not make sense. Why would the movie not be canon?

the movie is canon,because it was done with oda,he made the character designs and the story iirc

beastboy
November 26, 2009, 05:15 PM
Maybe its cannon but is not the whole thing *-*... that would be better... Cause I want to see that story in 200 chapters not in 180 minutes ...
@googlez
Canon=/= made by the autor..

Canon is something that matters for the story line.. like the Thriller Bark events.. People talk about them later on.. if the movie is just something inserted on the midle of the history with nothing new wich matters for the storyline, the movie its not cannon..

(IMO)

Razh
November 26, 2009, 05:22 PM
this is one piece the wheel one his head is not that serious
(he already acted like he was brain damaged)
the sword on his feet make him more dangerous since he can fly
moria underestimated luffy , he was not past his prime like WB

WB is weakened and sick and has a wound in his chest yet luffy cannot beat him
so i cannot see how luffy will beat shiki who is around WB and rogers level despite him weakened due to age
the only thing consoling me is that its non canon
btw will he make an appearance in the current mnga


Moria is past his prime. At least when it comes to fighting ability. He said it himself that he decided to make others do things for him so he got lazy and fat.

Anyway, I don't see why you're bitching about something that you aren't even sure it's going to happen. It's just annoying. Watch the movie, see what happens then bitch about it as much as you want.
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the movie is canon,because it was done with oda,he made the character designs and the story iirc

That alone doesn't necessarily make it canon.
I think I read it somewhere, but I'm not even sure any more that the movie isn't canon, but based on this chapter, it seems that it should be. Which is it?

Duc :D
November 26, 2009, 05:26 PM
Loved that chapter which proved that Garp was offered admiral status and Sengoku definitly has crazy fighting abilities :D

Also how they displayed our lovely Shichibukai and the rest of the people 20 years ago ... loved that and Roger combatting against SHikis whole fleet damn^^ Hopefully we'll get the rest of the movies prequel.

(Have I mentioned how badass sengoku and garp look in those black suits.)

Canon or not debate:

I think the Shiki part and sengoku mentioning him in the manga.. that is the canon part whereas the movie itself is not. I mean cmon the movie has to be settled between Thriller bark and Shabondy Archipelago and the adventure should have been mentioned by the Strawhats one or two times if the movie is completely canon. But who knows maybe Oda intended to set the story after the current War-arc.

beastboy
November 26, 2009, 05:26 PM
Oh yeah Razh..
I would like if the movie was not just something like a filler :(, but I would love to see something like an adaptation from the film to the manga!

Organizized
November 26, 2009, 05:39 PM
Excuse me while I once again read the chapter and drool over it until my laptop breaks down.

I like it how Garp and Sengoku are kind of interacting with each other in the same way back then as they are in the present. I mean, Garp was at the same level as Sengoku back then, even though Garp just wouldn't take the step up to Admiral, and they both knew it. I suppose it's stayed that way through the years. :amuse
It's also fun to see the current officers of the same rank as Garp or higher seeing him as a legend back then, and also to see that Sengoku can actually do something else than just yell. :D

Also....

*cough* Edd War D. Newgate *cough*

Stupid, yes, but still a fun coincidence. :tem

Bugzee
November 26, 2009, 05:56 PM
Chapter 0 was sweeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!

LOL Sengoku with his fro looks real funny! I knew Garp would've had opportunities to advance to a higher position within the marines but refused too!

Anyone, notice Pandaman above Shanks' sword??

broli
November 26, 2009, 06:00 PM
I think the shiki's plan is breading land monsters, equiavalent to sea monsters, and then unleashing them into the world to create chaos. 20 years seems about right to have them grow exponentially like was mentioned about the beetle in the special anime episode. The only escape will be the sea and shiki might be waiting there to take them hostage or make them his slaves :D.

zerocooldx
November 26, 2009, 06:03 PM
Ok I'm lost. Was this chapter just for the movie or was this for both and movie and for the manga? And was this chapter meant to foreshadow what Shiki will do in the manga itself?

GJMEGA
November 26, 2009, 06:07 PM
Can someone explain what the hell Shanks is talking about on page 20? He said "I asked a man named Yasopp to come. He... He said that's Shanks' crew." Maybe I'm a moron but for some reason I don't get what the hell he is trying to say.

Bugzee
November 26, 2009, 06:10 PM
From what I know, its certainly for the movie thats coming out soon! It was great to see how other characters were like back in those days lol like Zeff and the Warlords!!!

This will help zerocooldx: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_0

mars0103
November 26, 2009, 06:12 PM
So is strong world cannon than

zerocooldx
November 26, 2009, 06:14 PM
From what I know, its certainly for the movie thats coming out soon! It was great to see how other characters were like back in those days lol like Zeff and the Warlords!!!

This will help zerocooldx: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_0

Yeah...it looks like its just for the movie, thanks for the link.

Organizized
November 26, 2009, 06:15 PM
Can someone explain what the hell Shanks is talking about on page 20? He said "I asked a man named Yasopp to come. He... He said that's Shanks' crew." Maybe I'm a moron but for some reason I don't get what the hell he is trying to say.

Don't know which translation you read.

In the scan I read, it was plain and simple "I came here for a guy called Yasopp. Oh... I'm Shanks, a pirate."
So it's pretty much "just" the scene where Shanks recruits Yasopp.

Also, I can't help but be confused whether the movie and this is cannon or not as well. I mean, this chapter tell the history of the entire world, so it should be cannon. Meaning that the movie should be cannon as well.. But perhaps it takes place further into the story?

Lewyn
November 26, 2009, 06:19 PM
Don't know if it's already been said:
here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/22/
we can see that Jozu, Marco and Vista were in WB's crew 20 years ago and so was Teach (the cut one on the right).

predsfan
November 26, 2009, 06:23 PM
Now we know why Sengoku is the leader of the marines, he has the power of the afro. Anyways, this chapter was cool and pretty humorous. For some reason, I found the hat Whitebeard was wearing hilarious. Great little chapter, hope Volume 0 has even more stuff in it.

Bugzee
November 26, 2009, 06:23 PM
Wow, lol I didn't notice that BB was in that panel damn!!! I was able to see Jozu, Vista and Marco. I'm not quite sure if Satch is in it or not!

ShinD
November 26, 2009, 06:39 PM
Oh My God ! This child is cursed !!

ROFL :D

Razh
November 26, 2009, 06:47 PM
Don't know if it's already been said:
here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/22/
we can see that Jozu, Marco and Vista were in WB's crew 20 years ago and so was Teach (the cut one on the right).

I think you're the first to mention, but I noticed it too. Seems that Blackbeard was part of WB pirates for 20 years or so after all.

None of Whitebeard's crew was shown at Loguetown, so I guess it could be a slap in the face for people who think Mihawk may have been one of them.

As far as those guys shown at Loguetown are concerned, I'm more curious about people who weren't shown. Jinbei was probably under water somewhere, but where is Kuma supposed to be. There's no sign of Emporio either. Oda probably wanted to keep it a secret. Maybe it will be important for the plot in the future.

maravish
November 26, 2009, 06:50 PM
could this be lola's mom? http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/06-07/

y A M A T O
November 26, 2009, 06:57 PM
daaaamn, pandaman in roger's crew! page 08 of the Binki's scanlation, panel 2! hahaha

Googlez_kun
November 26, 2009, 07:00 PM
Oh My God ! This child is cursed !!

ROFL :D

yeah,that was hilarious!!:Dpoor Duval....
and poor Sanji:XD

BurnSchulz
November 26, 2009, 07:00 PM
Hey guys.

It cant be helped, but this Guy just reminds me of Captain Black (Kuro)...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8986/kuro.jpg

Could it be?
What do you think?

Googlez_kun
November 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
Hey guys.

It cant be helped, but this Guy just reminds me of Captain Black (Kuro)...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8986/kuro.jpg

Could it be?
What do you think?

the face does look simliar,but the body somehow does not fit imho
it's still possible though,considering how much moria changed

senewe
November 26, 2009, 07:04 PM
for me, this is the most interesting part

Joz, Marco, and BB had been with WB 20 years ago


and my assumption that came from this chapter are...

kizaru is the most senior admiral
he wasn't there with aokiji, saul, otsuru, akainu, and garp
and remember, he wasn't showed in ohara, that makes me things he had already been admiral before aokiji and akainu. and his face also back my opinion Lol

and one more thing,,
the debt, that aokiji owed to garp is, the fact that if garp had not rejected the offer, he wouldn't have been an admiral by now....

maravish
November 26, 2009, 07:10 PM
or he that could just mean he is the youngest.
Since it was shown that both Shanks and Buggy were on Rogers ship in the New World, does that mean they've been to the last island as well?

senewe
November 26, 2009, 07:12 PM
and one more thing

hmmmmm

i was hoping to see nice and strong pose from ROGER
not 'just' like he was at the pitcure. (carrying small gun, with the george amstrong custer-liked pose) lOL

Ex-Shadow
November 26, 2009, 07:16 PM
or he that could just mean he is the youngest.
Since it was shown that both Shanks and Buggy were on Rogers ship in the New World, does that mean they've been to the last island as well?

Maybe yes, but I think they know better what Roger said about his treasure and know that they couldn't achieved it unless they do it from the start. ;)

msg
November 26, 2009, 07:16 PM
whoopdeedoo...Sengoku can fight! This will put aside doubts for those who thinks pwngoat can't fight and that he's just an armchair general.

Look at Shiki's fleet, He's just like one of the "Yonkou".He could be easily be one.

zagorka
November 26, 2009, 07:21 PM
If Shiki returns, he could replace WB, if WB dies that is.

SuperShuter
November 26, 2009, 07:22 PM
Well it looks like shiki was after that weapon croc was after (the strongest weapon in the world) maybe seeing as he was asking roger. It says about a plan in 20 years time so you don't know he might interfere with the current plot or is it just for the movie... um i think its just for the movie lol I had myself excited then but weve got black beard already claiming to shake the world up abit so its okkkkkk

SenninSage
November 26, 2009, 07:29 PM
Wow, I like this a lot.

Garp turned down multiple promotions to Admiral. There's no doubt that he's Admiral level now; he could cause major problems for the WG, if he were to decide that he won't stand and watch as his grandsons get hurt.

And yes, it would certainly seem that if Whitebeard goes down here, that Gold Lion Shiki will definitely rise up in an attempt to take his position at the top. A plan that's 20 years in the making eh? This chapter was unbelievable, I love how it filled in so many cool details and showcased so many of the pirates in their younger years. Oda is unbelievable indeed :)

I really do believe that Shiki may make an appearance in the current One Piece plot, but if may not necessarily be during this war that's going on right now.

BurnSchulz
November 26, 2009, 07:34 PM
I cant understand why One Piece still is just top 3 on OneMangas Ranking.

Cmon its better than Naruto and thousand times better than Bleach! Face it

This Thing is so full of... Awesomeness its unbelievable.

CBlitz
November 26, 2009, 07:43 PM
better than Bleach? Yes, but better than Naruto? LOLNO, but my opinion doesn't count because I am heavily biased in favor of Naruto :p

anyway, chapter 0 was pretty cool, I liked how we got another look of Roger, and everyone in the series and what they were doing at that time

can't wait for movie 10

msg
November 26, 2009, 07:57 PM
Please don't go to "this manga is better than this manga"thing.It's tiring..but is still Naruto sucks big time lol..but love his drawing though..but its just my opinion.

Btw love to see Bosco shot, Caterina devon and San Juan appear in Vol. 0.I wonder how they look and chareacters like...The most feared and notorious known at I.D